Sandra Cantu, Sunday 12th April

[MoonFlwr]

Ok, a new thread for Sunday.

I wonder what new things we will learn today about Melissa and what happened!

Happy Easter to those who celebrate it! :)

[aproudmom]

Thank you Moon
Happy Easter I am not doing to much going to volunteer at a homeless shelter for a couple hours ..

hope I did not twist your arm to much..lol

[aproudmom]

Bringing this over from other thread sorry can not remember who posted it..thanks whoever posted it..seems she has been the girl next door and shocked alot of people

talks about her HS and other things
http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51923@kovr.dayport.com

[n/t]

Thanks for the new thread. Happy Easter.

Moon, I just watched the video on the link you posted on the other thread. Her ex coworkers said she was a normal, friendly happy gal when she worked at that food store.

I noticed they said she had a car seat in the car. Do 5 year olds still require a car seat?

[crwofter1]

Ok, a new thread for Sunday.

I wonder what new things we will learn today about Melissa and what happened!

Happy Easter to those who celebrate it! :)

Good morning all. HAPPY EASTER!!:smile:Do you think there were more involved in SC case moon? I do.


PRAYING FOR HALEIGH:wub:

[aproudmom]

4:45 p.m.: Neighbor says Huckaby kept her kids inside

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12119398?source=most_viewed

Carlos Martinez, a handyman for the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where both Sandra Cantu and Melissa Huckaby lived, remembered seeing Sandra going into Huckaby's home about two weeks ago to play with Huckaby's daughter.

According to Martinez, Huckaby's two young children never played outside with the other children in the neighborhood.

what??2

[aproudmom]

Thanks for the new thread. Happy Easter.

Moon, I just watched the video on the link you posted on the other thread. Her ex coworkers said she was a normal, friendly happy gal when she worked at that food store.

I noticed they said she had a car seat in the car. Do 5 year olds still require a car seat?

I just read she had 2 that is not correct is it? and it was a booster seat I kept my boys in them at 5 just for safety the seat belts would be up around their neck scared me

[n/t]

Good morning all. HAPPY EASTER!!:smile:Do you think there were more involved in SC case moon? I do.


PRAYING FOR HALEIGH:wub:

I would really love to know if she confessed or if she said too much and police arrested her.

If she confessed, I don't think there are others involved.

[n/t]

I just read she had 2 that is not correct is it? and it was a booster seat I kept my boys in them at 5 just for safety the seat belts would be up around their neck scared me

I heard 1 car seat but I could have heard wrong. Just wondered if a 5 year old would still require a car seat. It's been a while since I had toddlers. Mine are all grown up now.

[n/t]

4:45 p.m.: Neighbor says Huckaby kept her kids inside

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12119398?source=most_viewed

Carlos Martinez, a handyman for the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where both Sandra Cantu and Melissa Huckaby lived, remembered seeing Sandra going into Huckaby's home about two weeks ago to play with Huckaby's daughter.

According to Martinez, Huckaby's two young children never played outside with the other children in the neighborhood.

what??2


:confused: OK...maybe that answers my car seat question. I always thought she had one child. The 5 year old.

[tootie]

I heard 1 car seat but I could have heard wrong. Just wondered if a 5 year old would still require a car seat. It's been a while since I had toddlers. Mine are all grown up now.

I don't have kids but in the state of TN you have to have your kid in a booster seat until the age of like 7 or 8 or until they reach a certain height whichever comes first.

[interested]

I am not sure a poster keeps that photobucket for cases she keeps up on and was nice enough to allow us to see it..Sandra's is 60 something isn't it?maybe 63 or 65 I can not remember for the life of me..

I just noticed this from your link


she said she could not report the luggage cause she did not have the net..well she lied for one cause she had been on her myspace and as we see they did have computer..
grandmas statement below

She said police took computers and other items, adding, "We were not at all disturbed by that."

Bringing this over from the Saturday thread because I think it's important to note we don't know Melissa has a myspace page.

It's real important given the media jumped the gun in using the myspace page picture of a completely different Melissa Huckaby when they announced the arrest. The other myspace page that's been posted here, the woman uses the name Melissa Lawless, not Huckaby. It could be her, we really don't know it is & how horrid for that woman if she's not this Melissa.

Yes, we know she lied, I pretty much discount anything Melissa has said to date assuming it's all lies. But having a computer does not mean having an internet connection. Not everyone does, yet they use their computers for documents and household records.

[n/t]

Sorry...I don't want this to sound mean but if she had 2 kids who didn't play outside with other children, wouldn't the grandparents notice something was not right?

This case is getting more and more disturbing. I wonder how Sandra met the little 5 year old and became friends with her?

[aproudmom]

ok I can not get his statement out of my head I know it is very hard on LE for this but he has almost a sickening tearful look when talking about why they think she was already dead by the time she was reported missing.we have all watched him for the past 2 weeks he did not get emotional like this IMO. it really bothers me as to how or what happened to her that day...:crying: or maybe I am reading his face and eyes wrong I dont know...just bothers me alot..

it says update of Sandra Cantu's murder
right around 2:30

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51923@kovr.dayport.com

[interested]

I heard 1 car seat but I could have heard wrong. Just wondered if a 5 year old would still require a car seat. It's been a while since I had toddlers. Mine are all grown up now.

Probably still using a booster seat:

http://www.aap.org/family/Carseatguide.htm

School-aged children............Booster seats.............Booster seats are for older children who have outgrown their forward-facing car safety seats. Children should stay in a booster seat until adult belts fit correctly (usually when a child reaches about 4' 9" in height and is between 8 and 12 years of age).

[crwofter1]

I would really love to know if she confessed or if she said too much and police arrested her.

If she confessed, I don't think there are others involved.

I was thinking she just didn't want to involve anyone else. I thought maybe she would considering she has a child.JMO

[aproudmom]

Bringing this over from the Saturday thread because I think it's important to note we don't know Melissa has a myspace page.

It's real important given the media jumped the gun in using the myspace page picture of a completely different Melissa Huckaby when they announced the arrest. The other myspace page that's been posted here, the woman uses the name Melissa Lawless, not Huckaby. It could be her, we really don't know it is & how horrid for that woman if she's not this Melissa.

Yes, we know she lied, I pretty much discount anything Melissa has said to date assuming it's all lies. But having a computer does not mean having an Internet connection. Not everyone does, yet they use their computers for documents and household records.

OK your right..other than her grandma said they took the computer and MH said she could not report the luggage cause she did not have access to a computer...but if you go back and look I posted a couple hours ago about A site posting things that I feel are very untrue and that the media and blogger should be very careful before posting false facts I am sure she did not drive over 5hrs to sing in the choir or be a SS teacher at her father and uncles church..when the pastors are not either of them..looked it up this morning posted the white pages..said it was wrong..and I never posted her myspace page did I??NO

[n/t]

ok I can not get his statement out of my head I know it is very hard on LE for this but he has almost a sickening tearful look when talking about why they think she was already dead by the time she was reported missing.we have all watched him for the past 2 weeks he did not get emotional like this IMO. it really bothers me as to how or what happened to her that day...:crying: or maybe I am reading his face and eyes wrong I dont know...just bothers me alot..

it says update of Sandra Cantu's murder
right around 2:30

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51923@kovr.dayport.com

Did you see where she texted with the reporters and said she wasn't in the hospital for a sucide attempt and she posted "lol" at the end of it? She was texting reporters on her way to the police station? Did I hear that right? Good lord. She sounds like a nutcase.:scared:

[aproudmom]

:confused: OK...maybe that answers my car seat question. I always thought she had one child. The 5 year old.

me to it is on his church website also..unless they forgot to put 2 instead of 1

They have three grown children Brian, Brett, and Joni, who are all involved in God's work, and nine beloved grandchildren.
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

I did keep my kids in booster seats until they would set up enough that the belt did not rub their necks scared me..

[n/t]

Probably still using a booster seat:

http://www.aap.org/family/Carseatguide.htm

thanks for the info

[n/t]

me to it is on his church website also..unless they forgot to put 2 instead of 1

They have three grown children Brian, Brett, and Joni, who are all involved in God's work, and nine beloved grandchildren.
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

I did keep my kids in booster seats until they would set up enough that the belt did not rub their necks scared me..

Maybe the neighbour got it wrong and thought she had 2.

[aproudmom]

I was thinking she just didn't want to involve anyone else. I thought maybe she would considering she has a child.JMO

ok I thought it said they had one on the website it does not list any..k I am confused:confused:

[RainyNiteNTx]

ok I can not get his statement out of my head I know it is very hard on LE for this but he has almost a sickening tearful look when talking about why they think she was already dead by the time she was reported missing.we have all watched him for the past 2 weeks he did not get emotional like this IMO. it really bothers me as to how or what happened to her that day...:crying: or maybe I am reading his face and eyes wrong I dont know...just bothers me alot..

it says update of Sandra Cantu's murder
right around 2:30

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51923@kovr.dayport.com

Just watched it mom - he paused for a bit and seemed to be searching for the right thing to say.

[MoonFlwr]

Good morning all. HAPPY EASTER!!:smile:Do you think there were more involved in SC case moon? I do.


PRAYING FOR HALEIGH:wub:

Hi crwofter :)

I am undecided on whether I think more people were involved! I guess I am just waiting for some more info to filter through.

For me, at present, both scenarios: a. Melissa doing it alone AND b. Melissa doing it with an accomplice, seem equally possible to me.

[aproudmom]

here is the phone interview she made she only says she her daughter I do not think she has 2..I had never heard that

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/04/sunday_school_teacher_melissa.php

[n/t]

mom, do you happen to have that link handy....the one where it was reported MH was read her rights twice by police?

TIA

[aproudmom]

Just watched it mom - he paused for a bit and seemed to be searching for the right thing to say.

morning Rainy
thanks for answering my question..

[n/t]

here is the phone interview she made she only says she her daughter I do not think she has 2..I had never heard that

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/04/sunday_school_teacher_melissa.php

I think the neighbour got it wrong. Maybe the other kid was a child she babysat or another great grandkid who stayed over there.

[RainyNiteNTx]

morning Rainy
thanks for answering my question..

morning :)
To me, he looks very pained in the video.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I think the neighbour got it wrong. Maybe the other kid was a child she babysat or another great grandkid who stayed over there.

I had to work yesterday so missed a lot of posts, but where was her daughter when she was killing Sandra? Has a timeline been established?

[aproudmom]

mom, do you happen to have that link handy....the one where it was reported MH was read her rights twice by police?

TIA

let me see it is in a interview..I have a bunch open
this is the interview not sure if in this one you can hear the reporter asking him..I am listening to it right now..give me a sec and I will tell ya
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra
got to page 2 on the videos..

[interested]

OK your right..other than her grandma said they took the computer and MH said she could not report the luggage cause she did not have access to a computer...but if you go back and look I posted a couple hours ago about A site posting things that I feel are very untrue and that the media and blogger should be very careful before posting false facts I am sure she did not drive over 5hrs to sing in the choir or be a SS teacher at her father and uncles church..when the pastors are not either of them..looked it up this morning posted the white pages..said it was wrong..and I never posted her myspace page did I??NO


Mom, I'm not trying to argue with you, nor did I suggest you were trying to promote false info. But I really think it's a bad idea to be referencing a myspace page claiming she accessed it, when we don't even know if she has one.

& a computer does not mean internet access. All three of my nephews have computers in their rooms, not one of them have internet access on those computers. We have a computer at the summer house, we do not have internet access there. I work with several people who only have internet access at work, yet they have computers at home.

Do we know she lied, of course we do, there isn't a police department in this country that requires you to have an internet connection to file a report. It doesn't get any simpler than that & that was your point.

Enjoy your Easter, I meant no offense & have no argument with you. :seeya:

[aproudmom]

I had to work yesterday so missed a lot of posts, but where was her daughter when she was killing Sandra? Has a timeline been established?

yes they know where it happened she has a daughter 5 she was not alive when they called 911 is what he says..she was already gone...so 4pm to 8:15pm

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/04/sunday_school_teacher_melissa.php
Also more videos on this site

[aproudmom]

Mom, I'm not trying to argue with you, nor did I suggest you were trying to promote false info. But I really think it's a bad idea to be referencing a myspace page claiming she accessed it, when we don't even know if she has one.

& a computer does not mean internet access. All three of my nephews have computers in their rooms, not one of them have internet access on those computers. We have a computer at the summer house, we do not have internet access there. I work with several people who only have internet access at work, yet they have computers at home.

Do we know she lied, of course we do, there isn't a police department in this country that requires you to have an internet connection to file a report. It doesn't get any simpler than that & that was your point.

Enjoy your Easter, I meant no offense & have no argument with you. :seeya:

you know what I was getting ready to reply to you again cause in her phone interview she says she did not have Internet so I should have listened better..my fault..sorry and I agree they should be very careful in what is put out there it ruins lifes..imo

[aproudmom]

I had to work yesterday so missed a lot of posts, but where was her daughter when she was killing Sandra? Has a timeline been established?

Rainy all he would say
she was gone very soon after she was seen in that video 4pm IIRC
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra
second page at 10:16
never says were her little girl was..she said she was picking up toys..but that was her saying it..

[RainyNiteNTx]

yes they know where it happened she has a daughter 5 she was not alive when they called 911 is what he says..she was already gone...so 4pm to 8:15pm

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/04/sunday_school_teacher_melissa.php
Also more videos on this site

Thanks so much.

[n/t]

let me see it is in a interview..I have a bunch open
this is the interview not sure if in this one you can hear the reporter asking him..I am listening to it right now..give me a sec and I will tell ya
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra
got to page 2 on the videos..

I must be blind. I don't see a list of videos on that link.:unsure:

[aproudmom]

Mom, I'm not trying to argue with you, nor did I suggest you were trying to promote false info. But I really think it's a bad idea to be referencing a myspace page claiming she accessed it, when we don't even know if she has one.

& a computer does not mean internet access. All three of my nephews have computers in their rooms, not one of them have internet access on those computers. We have a computer at the summer house, we do not have internet access there. I work with several people who only have internet access at work, yet they have computers at home.

Do we know she lied, of course we do, there isn't a police department in this country that requires you to have an internet connection to file a report. It doesn't get any simpler than that & that was your point.

Enjoy your Easter, I meant no offense & have no argument with you. :seeya:

ITA and I agree with you did not mean to sound rude just read my reply and I am not one to argue you were right and I admit it interested..so I am very sorry for sounding rude towards your post..I should have listened to her phone interview again before I replied..

Have a wonderful day and a Happy Easter

[crwofter1]

Hi crwofter :)

I am undecided on whether I think more people were involved! I guess I am just waiting for some more info to filter through.

For me, at present, both scenarios: a. Melissa doing it alone AND b. Melissa doing it with an accomplice, seem equally possible to me.
I think more because that Williams guy. I think he is the wanna be Curch's
grounds keeper lied about the missing suitcase also.Alleged Rummage SALE!!imo

[aproudmom]

I must be blind. I don't see a list of videos on that link.:unsure:

2 times...

[n/t]

2 times...

Did she request an attorney? Why would they read her the rights twice?

[aproudmom]

I must be blind. I don't see a list of videos on that link.:unsure:

ok if you look to the side it shows small videos I went to the page 2 of videos..he said she talked then stopped than desided to talk again she was read her rights 2 times...

I got a few questions of mine answered also
she was dumped before the search started she told them alot IMO..

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

[n/t]

ok if you look to the side it shows small videos I went to the page 2 of videos..he said she talked then stopped than desided to talk again she was read her rights 2 times...

I got a few questions of mine answered also
she was dumped before the search started she told them alot IMO..

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

ok thanks mom. I'll have to check it later. Gotta leave for a bit.

[KKKKKKatie]

ok thanks mom. I'll have to check it later. Gotta leave for a bit.

Scroll videos to Police announce arrests

http://kron.com/

[titanfan217]

I heard 1 car seat but I could have heard wrong. Just wondered if a 5 year old would still require a car seat. It's been a while since I had toddlers. Mine are all grown up now.

In Illinois, 5 year olds are still required by law to be in a car seat, and I suspect we aren't the only ones.

[Themis]

In post #21 above 'aproudmom' posted this link which gives the official bio of Pastor Clifford Lane Lawless:

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/Pastor1.html

Here is another link from the Salinas Californian about Pastor Lane Lawless:

http://m.thecalifornian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090408/NEWS01/904080301/-1/WAP&template=wapart

" Pastor Arthur Harris of the Alisal Baptist Church said the institute is still around but hasn't had any students or staff for a couple of years.

Harris, now the dean of the institute, described the institute as more of a Bible school as opposed to a liberal arts department. Harris confirmed Lawless received a bachelor's degree in religious studies at the institute.

Harris, who said he is Lawless' brother-in-law, has known Lawless since the 1950s. He described Lawless as "one of the most kind and gentle persons" he knows but understands the reason why police questioned him.

"The police have to do what they have to do," Harris, 66, said adding that with Lawless' ailing health, "He saves all his energy for Sunday mornings." "

" Lawless' wife, Connie, said they had been interviewed by police because Sandra was a regular playmate of their great-granddaughter's."

"[Sandra] was last seen heading toward the direction where our house is, but she never went here," Connie said." (???)
Full story in the link.
*****************

How can one, Arthur Harris, be a dean of an institute which has no staff or students and has not had for a couple of years?
Are there different sects that comprise the Baptist religion? I honestly don't know.

[dinojen]

In Illinois, 5 year olds are still required by law to be in a car seat, and I suspect we aren't the only ones.

CA's restrictions are below


It's the law

• Children must ride in the back seat of a vehicle in a car seat or booster chair until they are 6 years old or weigh 60 pounds.

• Newborns and infants must ride in rear-facing car seats until they are a year old and weigh 20 pounds.

• Once a child is older than a year and weighs more than 20 pounds, they can only sit in forward-facing car seats.

• Booster seats can be used once a child weighs 40 pounds. Unlike car seats, which have straps built into the chair, booster seats use a vehicle's seat belt to secure a child.

• At 60 pounds or 6 years of age, a child can ride in a vehicle - front or back - without any kind of booster or car seat. However, CHP and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration recommend children stay in the backseat until they're 12 or 4 feet 9 inches tall.

http://www.redding.com/news/2008/mar/10/secure-seat/

[daHawg]

Did she request an attorney? Why would they read her the rights twice?

At first she didn't and waived her rights. When you are read your rights you have to sign a form and check off that one you understand them and two the you either are invoking them and a want counsel or that you are waiving them and are willing to talk w/o an attorney present.

When she asked for an attorney at one point during the interview after being read her rights the questioning stopped. When she said she didn't want the attorney after that and wanted to continue LE then had to repeat the process and read her, her rights again and have her sign the form waiving her rights stating she wanted to talk without an attorney present.

[KKKKKKatie]

CA carseat law

In California, car seat laws err further on the side of caution than many other states. California state law requires children to ride in a federally approved baby car seat or child booster seat until they are at least 6 years old or weigh at least 60 pounds. California also requires children under age 16 to be buckled up with a seat belt.

http://babyproducts.about.com/od/statecarseatlaws/qt/californiacps.htm

http://www.carseat.org/Legal/636_CAlaw_guide.pdf

[dinojen]

From SFGate...

Until Saturday, that was the main impression neighbors and family had of 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby.

What they apparently never suspected was that the brown-haired single mother with the quiet smile might kill an 8-year-old girl, then stuff the body in a suitcase and hide it in a pond - but that's just what Tracy police say Huckaby did.

"She must have had a double life, because she seemed sweet and the Bible study kids love her," said Carlos Martinez, who lives in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park near Huckaby. "This is a total shock."

Huckaby's relatives said they were bewildered at the concept that the churchgoing woman they've seen get down on her knees to play with children and lead them in singing religious songs such as "Deep and Wide" would do what police say she has.

"I've never seen her truly scold her daughter," said Cynthia Browning of Manteca (San Joaquin County), Huckaby's great-aunt. "She is soft-spoken. I trust my grandchildren with her. I don't believe she could do this."

Huckaby lives with her grandparents because she suffers from severe allergies and wanted relatives' help to be able to have more time "to take better care of her daughter, who is super-thin and gets sick a lot," Browning said. She was named "class mother" of her daughter's preschool, friends said.

Along the way, however, Huckaby has had legal problems.

She was convicted in 2006 in Los Angeles County of property theft, and was due in court Friday to be sentenced for a local January felony burglary conviction, according to court records. In 2002, the Sutter Tracy Community Hospital won a $10,000 civil judgment against her for owed bills; she declared bankruptcy the next year.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/12/MNJQ17163H.DTL&tsp=1


I think more will come out about her and her family in the days ahead. Supposedly her family were at the jail last night.:confused: Trying to find a link to that now.

[Destini]

(CBS/AP) CBS News has learned that police in Tracy believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer was a Sunday school teacher.

(more at link)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4937253

[playnice]

Good morning everyone and Happy Easter.
I think I will stayed in a state of shock until I hear a motive. This just makes no sense why she will do this.

[KKKKKKatie]

Good morning everyone and Happy Easter.
I think I will stayed in a state of shock until I hear a motive. This just makes no sense why she will do this.

I'm with you play....I just can't figure it out. Nothing makes any sense at the moment :confused:

[ortiga]

(CBS/AP) CBS News has learned that police in Tracy believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer was a Sunday school teacher.

(more at link)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4937253


If that turns out to be true, that she was murdered in the church, the family (pastor, etc) should demolish it.

I can't imagine attending services in a church where a child was (allegedly) killed, nor can I imagine sending children to sunday school there.


IMO

[playnice]

At first I thought maybe she confessed to protect her GP or someone close to her. But I think she gave LE alot of detail that they feel comfortable that she did it and by herself.It it had been her child I think it would be easier to understand but to pick her childs playmate is just way over the top.

[Destini]

If that turns out to be true, that she was murdered in the church, the family (pastor, etc) should demolish it.

I can't imagine attending services in a church where a child was (allegedly) killed, nor can I imagine sending children to sunday school there.


IMO

I was thinking the same thing. This is just making me sick.

The whole thing doesn't make sense & is totally bizarre. I don't even want to post where my thoughts are going now about this woman.

[kitty1182]

Good morning and Happy Easter...
I think some secret things were going on at the church....mo
I believe there is more to the story than we've heard...

[ortiga]

At first I thought maybe she confessed to protect her GP or someone close to her. But I think she gave LE alot of detail that they feel comfortable that she did it and by herself.It it had been her child I think it would be easier to understand but to pick her childs playmate is just way over the top.


Somehow she had to be so angry as to lose it. I tend to think it was some physical punishment that went terribly wrong. Otherwise, if it was really a preplanned murder it was certainly planned wrong, as she was certain to be caught, IMO.

[aproudmom]

ok thanks mom. I'll have to check it later. Gotta leave for a bit.

K have a great day..I am trying to listen to a bunch of the pressers so I can see what was said..

HAPPY EASTER

[ortiga]

Good morning and Happy Easter...
I think some secret things were going on at the church....mo
I believe there is more to the story than we've heard...

IIRC one of those sources said that there is a very small group of worshippers there, I think I read 15-20 but I don't remember where I read that. How could a church, if it really has such a small group of worshippers, have enough children to provide for a sunday school?

IMO

[Amy]

Thanks for the new thread. Happy Easter.

Moon, I just watched the video on the link you posted on the other thread. Her ex coworkers said she was a normal, friendly happy gal when she worked at that food store.

I noticed they said she had a car seat in the car. Do 5 year olds still require a car seat?

I tho't it looked more like a booster seat which I think a small 5 y/o might require. My dd was in her car seat until about that age--she was small enough that the car seat was more comfortable than the booster, especially for long drives (had side panel things to lean against to sleep.) I think that in most states the use of car seats/booster seats are dictated by size/weight, not age. So if the 5 y/o was fairly small, she could very well have still been using the booster seat. Or, even the car seat if it is that.

[dinojen]

No local news on tv for another half hour to hour.. KRON come on here at 8 AM PST.. so I'm sure they will have an update.. for as much as they covered it yesterday.

[KKKKKKatie]

IIRC one of those sources said that there is a very small group of worshippers there, I think I read 15-20 but I don't remember where I read that. How could a church, if it really has such a small group of worshippers, have even children to provide enough for a sunday school?

IMO

In a few places I have read on the web....they are saying that she wasn't a teacher at that Church....another one. I have no idea so.....IMO

[FrankieBones1]

I would really love to know if she confessed or if she said too much and police arrested her.

If she confessed, I don't think there are others involved.
True. The banner on HLN says that police are not looking for any more suspects in the case.

[GentleBreeze]

Good morning and Happy Easter...
I think some secret things were going on at the church....mo
I believe there is more to the story than we've heard...

There has to be more to the story than just this but I am not so sure that it involves any of her family. They too may wind up victims of MH's because they welcomed her into their home when she needed them.

For some reason I believe the evil entered when Melissa returned there. I think she lured Sandra to that church with full intentions of murdering her.

imo

[ortiga]

In a few places I have read on the web....they are saying that she wasn't a teacher at that Church....another one. I have no idea so.....IMO


Finally I read that Sandra's family was not a member of that church (IIRC), so what was the ruse she used to get Sandra into the car and to the church?

[Themis]

IIRC one of those sources said that there is a very small group of worshippers there, I think I read 15-20 but I don't remember where I read that. How could a church, if it really has such a small group of worshippers, have enough children to provide for a sunday school?

IMO
Ortiga, I remember someone saying 'maybe' there were up to 30. I also remember some neighbor(s) saying there were only 5 or 6 cars in the parking lot on any given Sunday. Also, there was a local Tracy woman who said in one of the news articles that she had gone to that church once and was pretty much ignored; that is, she was not made to feel welcome at all, so she never returned.
Strange, very strange. How does such a small church membership even donate enough to pay the utilities?

BTW, did you see my post #46 up above? It kinda ties in with what you said. [JMO * Themis]

[playnice]

Finally I read that Sandra's family was not a member of that church (IIRC), so what was the ruse she used to get Sandra into the car and to the church?

Wasnt the church getting things ready to have a rummage sale? That may have been the bait.

[ortiga]

There has to be more to the story than just this but I am not so sure that it involves any of her family. They too may wind up victims of MH's because they welcomed her into their home when she needed them.

For some reason I believe the evil entered when Melissa returned there. I think she lured Sandra to that church with full intentions of murdering her.

imo

Maybe you're right, but there were so many holes in her story that she was bound to get caught. That's why I tend to think it was something that happened suddenly, without being planned. Not making excuses for her, just that I can't imagine a planned murder being so poorly planned.

I wonder if her sister was there before she took Sandra from the mobile home? Surely the sister could have said if something was weird, anger, whatever.

What a puzzle.

IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Finally I read that Sandra's family was not a member of that church (IIRC), so what was the ruse she used to get Sandra into the car and to the church?

I don't think she had to use a ruse. Sandra simply trusted this woman and if she asked her did she want to ride to her church with her, the trusting little girl would have said "sure", imo.

Even the grandmother talked about how Sandra loved to help others. She didn't care if they weren't from her church, she just liked helping people and trusted this family, imo.

imo

[ortiga]

Ortiga, I remember someone saying 'maybe' there were up to 30. I also remember some neighbor(s) saying there were only 5 or 6 cars in the parking lot on any given Sunday. Also, there was a local Tracy woman who said in one of the news articles that she had gone to that church once and was pretty much ignored; that is, she was not made to feel welcome at all, so she never returned.
Strange, very strange. How does such a small church membership even donate enough to pay the utilities?

BTW, did you see my post #46 up above? It kinda ties in with what you said. [JMO * Themis]


I just read your post. Interesting. The main thing that pops up in my mind is tax write off. IMO

[cutiepatootie61]

The link is in last night's thread. She refused to see them. Again, shades of the OC.

Voted class mother of her daughter's preschool class...:confused:

Moved in with her grandparents because she suffers from allergies? WTH does that mean? Was she allergic to her own parents? None of this not one aspect is making a lick of sense. Not enough that it had to be pastors granddaughter that did this from the neighborhood, but in the church of all places, this community is scarred for life. What must this 5 yr old daughter be going through today? This is all so surreal for me a stranger to all these people, I cannot imagine how the Cantu family are functioning.

[ortiga]

Voted class mother of her daughter's preschool class...:confused:

Moved in with her grandparents because she suffers from allergies? WTH does that mean? Was she allergic to her own parents? None of this not one aspect is making a lick of sense. Not enough that it had to be pastors granddaughter that did this from the neighborhood, but in the church of all places, this community is scarred for life. What must this 5 yr old daughter be going through today? This is all so surreal for me a stranger to all these people, I cannot imagine how the Cantu family are functioning.

Wasn't it the daughter that suffered from allergies? I thought they said something about her being thin and unhealthy. But then she never let the kid play outside......Maybe I dreamt that?

[GentleBreeze]

Maybe you're right, but there were so many holes in her story that she was bound to get caught. That's why I tend to think it was something that happened suddenly, without being planned. Not making excuses for her, just that I can't imagine a planned murder being so poorly planned.

I wonder if her sister was there before she took Sandra from the mobile home? Surely the sister could have said if something was weird, anger, whatever.

What a puzzle.

IMO

Yes, a puzzle that we don't know the answer to yet. I am not sure that Sandra ever returned and went back inside.

I think MH got her to ride with her and she never went back into the Lawless home after she first came wanting to play with MHs little girl.

I do think whatever idea was formed it was between those two times. Huckaby did lie imo, she did come back there and I think she got into the car then and they went to the church. In the video it seems Sandra had all intentions of going home and then something diverted her. Did she look up the street and MH was out beside her vehicle motioning for her to come over?



imo

[Amy]

IIRC one of those sources said that there is a very small group of worshippers there, I think I read 15-20 but I don't remember where I read that. How could a church, if it really has such a small group of worshippers, have enough children to provide for a sunday school?

IMO

Where I am from, people don't have to belong to a church to send their children to activities @ the church. Such as the local Salvation Army Church--they send out little buses to pick up kids that are interested in their activities, whether the kids or their parents go to their church or not. Kids invite other kids to activities--dd went w/her friends to their churches for things like that. Possibly there were a number of kids in the park who went, even if that wasn't their church?

[cutiepatootie61]

Wasn't it the daughter that suffered from allergies? I thought they said something about her being thin and unhealthy. But then she never let the kid play outside......Maybe I dreamt that?


The article wasn't real clear on who suffered from allergies. It stated she moved in with her grandparents because she suffered from allergies and she wanted help because her daughter was so thin and sick all the time. Who knows? Even that doesn't make sense. It's not like she came from PA to live with the grandparents it was only a few towns over that she lived. Same allergins in that mobile home park as where she came from if you ask me.

[n/t]

I don't think she had to use a ruse. Sandra simply trusted this woman and if she asked her did she want to ride to her church with her, the trusting little girl would have said "sure", imo.

Even the grandmother talked about how Sandra loved to help others. She didn't care if they weren't from her church, she just liked helping people and trusted this family, imo.

imo

Sandra's grandfather said Sandra wanted to go to the church so how does this all fit in? I think it was a ruse. MH may have told Sandra to go help her out prior to the day she disappeared and that's where she killed her. Of course, the question is why? I am having such a difficult time coming up with a motive. The only one that makes any sense to me right now is Sandra may have witnessed something.

Just throwing this out there but could it have been racially motivated? Sandra was hispanic.

[n/t]

Please forgive my laziness:smile:, I know I can go back and look, but Is Sinclair the guy whose SIL posted here a couple of times? TIA

Yes and she hasn't posted since the body was found.:unsure:

[aproudmom]

At first I thought maybe she confessed to protect her GP or someone close to her. But I think she gave LE alot of detail that they feel comfortable that she did it and by herself.It it had been her child I think it would be easier to understand but to pick her childs playmate is just way over the top.

Hi playnice
I thought that also at first but then I also wonder still how much they knew..I have said it was very odd her grandma would say how could anyone abuse and murder that little girl..no emotion over a little girl that was at your house all the time..not so sure they did not find out a few things..just hope if they did they told the LE cause they are key in the case since she got on camera and said she lost her keys her grandma called her to tell her she found them..she told them her luggage was gone surely they wondered or called LE and said wait a minute our GD had hers stolen..I am thinking they did since the searches before she even got out of the ICU they had talked to her 2 times already..seems she cooked her own goose with her statements to the media..since they clearly did not look into her the 3rd time until she started talking on camera or phone and texting the media...jmo

[aproudmom]

Yes and she hasn't posted since the body was found.:unsure:
she has not posted since the 1st I checked it out the other day..

[dinojen]

The link is in last night's thread. She refused to see them. Again, shades of the OC.

Can't seem to locate last nights thread. KRON was reporting that she refused to see an media, they were all requesting to see her.. and she refused, but they did say her "family" was there. Now whether they saw her or not they didn't say.

Going to listen to KRON in a half hour when it comes on.

[n/t]

Hi playnice
I thought that also at first but then I also wonder still how much they knew..I have said it was very odd her grandma would say how could anyone abuse and murder that little girl..no emotion over a little girl that was at your house all the time..not so sure they did not find out a few things..just hope if they did they told the LE cause they are key in the case since she got on camera and said she lost her keys her grandma called her to tell her she found them..she told them her luggage was gone surely they wondered or called LE and said wait a minute our GD had hers stolen..I am thinking they did since the searches before she even got out of the ICU they had talked to her 2 times already..seems she cooked her own goose with her statements to the media..since they clearly did not look into her the 3rd time until she started talking on camera or phone and texting the media...jmo

That is so bizarre. It's as if she wanted to get caught. Playing games with the media. Texting, interviews......so weird.

[aproudmom]

Did she request an attorney? Why would they read her the rights twice?

no she did not ask for one and they had to because she stopped talking and around 1am then decided she wanted to go ahead and talk more..so they had to so she knew she had the right to stop and no longer talk or have a attorney.

[aproudmom]

That is so bizarre. It's as if she wanted to get caught. Playing games with the media. Texting, interviews......so weird.

yeah I know she was texting them telling them she was going down to the PD..odd imo..attention getter ya think.

[aproudmom]

Can't seem to locate last nights thread. KRON was reporting that she refused to see an media, they were all requesting to see her.. and she refused, but they did say her "family" was there. Now whether they saw her or not they didn't say.

Going to listen to KRON in a half hour when it comes on.

I just read she has not accepted any visitors..

[ortiga]

Yes, a puzzle that we don't know the answer to yet. I am not sure that Sandra ever returned and went back inside.

I think MH got her to ride with her and she never went back into the Lawless home after she first came wanting to play with MHs little girl.

I do think whatever idea was formed it was between those two times. Huckaby did lie imo, she did come back there and I think she got into the car then and they went to the church. In the video it seems Sandra had all intentions of going home and then something diverted her. Did she look up the street and MH was out beside her vehicle motioning for her to come over?



imo

OK, then maybe she was waiting in the car and motioned Sandra over, and had some punishment in mind. So, that would indicate (IMO) that something had happened earlier with the girl and it was possibly festering in the mind of MH. Maybe it will come down to a cat issue, although you'd think that the family of MH wouldn't have cats if any of them had an allergy problem.

I suppose the police have zeroed in on possible previous problems.

I'd think the testimony of the sister would be so important, if indeed she was left babysitting the 5 year old. Was she there before Sandra ever was 1) motioned over by MH or 2) actually went to the house?

I read that Sandra and her sisters wanted to go to a movie at the church (not necessarily the same one as MH), and that there wasn't enough money so Sandra left to go to a friend's house. So, how did one of the sisters get to MH house before Sandra? Maybe it was a pre-arranged baby sitter thing, and the sister went afterwards??

[dinojen]

Yesterday's thread has been moved back to it's non-temp. forum position.

Thanks I found it... but dang wasn't going to go back through all those pages...lol...I spent most of the day there as it was...:sad:

[aproudmom]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/11/earlyshow/main4936448.shtml

Sources tell CBS News that Huckaby told four different stories of what happened the day the 8-year-old girl disappeared - inconsistencies that prompted further inquiries from investigators

The last time her mother saw Sandra alive, the little girl was going outside to play with friends, and surveillance video taken in their trailer park showed Sandra happily skipping on the trailer park's grounds.

"We have information that Sandra, by the time she was reported missing to us, that she probably had already been murdered," said Thiessen. "It has helped us to bring Sandra home, again not in the way that we would've hoped, but that was out of our hands shortly after she went missing." :cursing:

[Mandysmom]

I saw the arrest of Huckaby last night and was shocked although I don't know why.

Why in the world would she kill this sweet angel? I am just sickened by the whole thing.

God bless Sandra's family and give them the strength and peace they need to make it through this.

:sad:

[ortiga]

I've been OOT for the past 4 days but I've been trying to catch up,really!! This case brings to mind a murder that happened years ago (maybe 30? 35?) It involved a stay at home mom and a friend of her child. I can't remember if they were boys or girls but the mom killed her child's friend because that child was, cuter, more talented, etc. It was a strange story and I remember the mom hid the body in a laundry basket. The kids were around 5 years old. Maybe there was an element of that in this case - especially knowing that her daughter was sickly, thin and suffered from allergies. Sandra looks quite wholesome to me.

Just something to think about...

Maybe the daughter had related some tale to MH, true or imagined, that had happened between her and Sandra, and then the jealousy thing kicked in as you theorize. Or punishment plan. Or, maybe the jealousy was on the part of the 5 year old, seeing that Sandra could play outside, had an amount of independence that the 5 year couldn't have had if she was cooped up inside like an invalid.

IMO

[BitterSweet]

Wow.
I am very surprised this happened at the church. I did not think that was were the crime occured.

No motive can justify this crime.
Sick and pure evil.

This is what I would like to know:
Was her anger displaced onto Sandra, meant to hurt someone close to Sandra? family and friend.
This woman is one SICK individual
Or, was Sandra her intended victim?
None the less she is a child killer.

I am also quickly losing patience with her "shocked" family and friends.
IMO, that does not happen overnight.

BitterSweet

[nana6]

Happy Easter to all who celebrate. Is KRON reporting now? Do we know when they w ill?

[BitterSweet]

Sorry my last post was all over the place.. edited it and should have previewed...

BitterSweet

[Rayosunshine]

(CBS/AP) CBS News has learned that police in Tracy believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer was a Sunday school teacher.

(more at link)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4937253

Is the accused killer related to the pastor of the church? Sorry, I've been unable to use the puter much because of back pain. Thanks.

[playnice]

Is the accused killer related to the pastor of the church? Sorry, I've been unable to use the puter much because of back pain. Thanks.

His granddaughter.

[KKKKKKatie]

Maybe the daughter had related some tale to MH, true or imagined, that had happened between her and Sandra, and then the jealousy thing kicked in as you theorize. Or punishment plan. Or, maybe the jealousy was on the part of the 5 year old, seeing that Sandra could play outside, had an amount of independence that the 5 year couldn't have had if she was cooped up inside like an invalid.

IMO

I was thinking last night that maybe Sandra had teased MH daughter (like 8 yr olds will do IMO) or something and that made MH mad???

[Rayosunshine]

Good morning and Happy Easter...
I think some secret things were going on at the church....mo
I believe there is more to the story than we've heard...

I'm with you Kitty, I think before long this is going to blow wide open. Like the church near us - pedophilia, rape and what have you, but no murder, thank God, though it makes you wonder what is really worse. Like I commented a few days ago, we go to extremes to make sure the day care my granddaughter attends is in no way connected to a church. Too bad we have to fear "church people", but no one can be trusted.

[aproudmom]

never heard them say that even though I think it is true..

TRACY, Calif., April 12, 2009
(CBS/AP) CBS News has learned that police in Tracy believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer was a Sunday school teacher.

Huckaby's uncle, John Hughes Jr. of Whittier, said his niece was from a good home, but had hit a rough patch in her life and moved in with her grandparents in Tracy to get past her troubles.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml?tag=topStories;secondStory

[aproudmom]

Happy Easter to all who celebrate. Is KRON reporting now? Do we know when they w ill?

Thanks nana Happy Easter to you also..

[cutiepatootie61]

never heard them say that even though I think it is true..

TRACY, Calif., April 12, 2009
(CBS/AP) CBS News has learned that police in Tracy believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer was a Sunday school teacher.

Huckaby's uncle, John Hughes Jr. of Whittier, said his niece was from a good home, but had hit a rough patch in her life and moved in with her grandparents in Tracy to get past her troubles.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml?tag=topStories;secondStory


I'd say she hit more than a rough patch!!!! You know hearing all these bizarre stories come out about this ahem.. Sunday school teacher, I'm left wondering how many red flags were waved that she was clearly touched in the brain? You can't have these strange stories come out and believe no one saw this girl was trouble waiting to happen. Such a shame she wasn't stopped in time to save Sandra's life.

[dinojen]

Happy Easter to all who celebrate. Is KRON reporting now? Do we know when they w ill?

Just listened to their first report.. nothing new... did say that Melissa is under watch and is refusing to speak to anyone.

No comment from the Grandparents either...

The news on KRON is a two hour session this morning.. will check back in a bit.. there on the weather and other stuff right now.

They do have a reporter in Tracy this morning though.

[darjeeling]

Happy Easter to all who celebrate. Is KRON reporting now? Do we know when they w ill?

Yes they are covering it. You can also join their live blog here: http://www.kron.com/News/SandraCantuMurderArrestLiveBlog/tabid/431/Default.aspx

[aproudmom]

So she was at the vigil:thumbdown:


http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr12/0,4670,GirlInSuitcase,00.html

Huckaby, 28, had attended the second of several vigils for the slain girl,

[GentleBreeze]

Sandra's grandfather said Sandra wanted to go to the church so how does this all fit in? I think it was a ruse. MH may have told Sandra to go help her out prior to the day she disappeared and that's where she killed her. Of course, the question is why? I am having such a difficult time coming up with a motive. The only one that makes any sense to me right now is Sandra may have witnessed something.

Just throwing this out there but could it have been racially motivated? Sandra was hispanic.

I am just not getting that vibe. I don't think she witnessed anything. I believe the motivation is trapped into the twisted mind of MH.

I do think if we ever know what her motivation was that it will be totally bizarre, unimaginable and something we will never understand.

imo

[FrankieBones1]

she has not posted since the 1st I checked it out the other day..

Maybe LE took their computer.

[FrankieBones1]

Voted class mother of her daughter's preschool class...:confused:

Moved in with her grandparents because she suffers from allergies? WTH does that mean? Was she allergic to her own parents? None of this not one aspect is making a lick of sense. Not enough that it had to be pastors granddaughter that did this from the neighborhood, but in the church of all places, this community is scarred for life. What must this 5 yr old daughter be going through today? This is all so surreal for me a stranger to all these people, I cannot imagine how the Cantu family are functioning.

I would believe her Uncle over her.

Huckaby's uncle, John Hughes Jr. of Whittier, said his niece was from a good home, but had hit a rough patch in her life and moved in with her grandparents to get past her troubles.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr12/0,4670,GirlInSuitcase,00.html

[jakee]

So she was at the vigil:thumbdown:


http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr12/0,4670,GirlInSuitcase,00.html

Huckaby, 28, had attended the second of several vigils for the slain girl,

Were any of these vigils taped? I wonder how she acted.

[lunchlady]

I've been OOT for the past 4 days but I've been trying to catch up,really!! This case brings to mind a murder that happened years ago (maybe 30? 35?) It involved a stay at home mom and a friend of her child. I can't remember if they were boys or girls but the mom killed her child's friend because that child was, cuter, more talented, etc. It was a strange story and I remember the mom hid the body in a laundry basket. The kids were around 5 years old. Maybe there was an element of that in this case - especially knowing that her daughter was sickly, thin and suffered from allergies. Sandra looks quite wholesome to me.

Just something to think about...

Wow. What a creepy story. Maternal competitive jealousy as a motive? Guess its as feasible as the other possibilities.
I keep thinking of the cheerleader murder-plan mom in Texas, even though that's not very similar compared to the story above. Also the MySpace hoax which lead to a girl's suicide. The Mom Avenger! Like the John Waters movie Serial Mom.

Maybe there was something Melissa resented about Sandra coming over a lot. Maybe Melissa felt she was doing more than her share of supervision or like a free babysitter, or felt Sandra was not a good playmate for some reason but didn't have the sense to simply tell Sandra and Sandra's mom that Sandra shouldn't come over. Feeling taken advantage of and not knowing how to handle the situation.

Those aren't good enough reasons to lash out; I'm just trying to imagine some emotional motivation that might have been the backdrop to Melissa's insane act of killing an 8 year old girl.
I've known people who are otherwise pretty high functioning and normal who are incredibly conflict-avoidant and shockingly unresourceful when they feel angry or infringed on by others. They'll do ridiculous things to avoid speaking up and saying No.

Think of Son of Sam. He was totally nuts but the constantly-barking dog next door (Sam) was the final trigger that set him into motion for his killing spree. Makes no sense to me but it did to Son of Sam.

[interested]

I've been looking for a timeline of events, I found this one for anyone interested:

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12124801

[March2009]

Thanks for the new thread. Happy Easter.

Moon, I just watched the video on the link you posted on the other thread. Her ex coworkers said she was a normal, friendly happy gal when she worked at that food store.

I noticed they said she had a car seat in the car. Do 5 year olds still require a car seat?

She was fired from the grocery store in 2004 which would have made her daughter still an infant at the time so the car seat in her car bordering 5 years ago would make sense to me. JMO

[aproudmom]

Huckaby,Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, across the street and about five houses down from Sandra Cantu's home.

Huckaby said she had prepared the suitcase with scrapbooking items to be taken to Clover Road Baptist Church for a Sunday school class she teaches. Huckaby said she left the bag in her driveway accidentally after getting distracted while searching for her phone and keys.

When Huckaby's grandmother, Connie Lawless, called her to say she had found the missing items, Huckaby said she remembered the suitcase and asked family members to check on it. It wasn't there.

A source close to the investigation said that at first glance there were no visible signs of trauma on the girl.

The church's Web site states that two services are held there weekly, but neighbors of the older one-story building say they rarely see anyone there.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12122595

[dinojen]

If this link works it's a picture of Melissa's family (grandfather) walking into the San Joaquin jail yesterday... but she refused to see them so it's being reported.

http://sacbee.com/topstories/story/1773900.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container


I was wrong, but click on the slideshow.. it's the second photo.. I don't know who the other people with the grandfather are.

[aproudmom]

I've been looking for a timeline of events, I found this one for anyone interested:

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12124801

thank you:smile:

[aproudmom]

So they did need dental records to identify her ok she went to the hospital the night the body was found..fishy to me..


About 7:30 p.m., police confirm that they believe a body found inside the suitcase is Sandra's, based on the description of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared.

Dental records later confirm the identity, and the Cantu family is notified.:crying:

A short time later, three ambulances respond to the mobile home park. It's believed that two female patients are transported. It's later reported that one of them was Melissa Huckaby, who later told reporters she experienced internal bleeding. Police are stationed at the hospital.:cursing:

[aproudmom]

I've been looking for a timeline of events, I found this one for anyone interested:

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12124801

well that answered several of my questions thanks a bunch.

[interested]

thank you:smile:

You're most welcome, I'm afraid it's not as detailed as I'd hoped. Perhaps we can build our own from it, adding in all of Melissa's actions & related statements now that there's been an arrest and we know what we're looking for?

Like when did the Church caretaker first mention the suitcase being missing and the make believe rummage sale?

When did Melissa first mention finding that weird note that LE didn't seem to know about mentioning the suitcase, water and road?

That kinda stuff.

[aproudmom]

dont you have to wait a certain amount of time before visiting people in jail?

A nine-person entourage that included Huckaby's grandfather, the Rev. Clifford Lane Lawless of the Clover Road church, descended on the San Joaquin County jail around 3 p.m. Saturday to visit her. The family members, who could not get in for a visit at that time, declined to comment on the arrest.

http://sacbee.com/topstories/story/1773900.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

[merical]

Voted class mother of her daughter's preschool class...:confused:

Moved in with her grandparents because she suffers from allergies? WTH does that mean? Was she allergic to her own parents? None of this not one aspect is making a lick of sense. Not enough that it had to be pastors granddaughter that did this from the neighborhood, but in the church of all places, this community is scarred for life. What must this 5 yr old daughter be going through today? This is all so surreal for me a stranger to all these people, I cannot imagine how the Cantu family are functioning.

First of all, nobody in their right mind would move to the central valley if they had an allergy problem. Air quality in the valley is bloody awful. Between the smog, the dust, the agriculture, many people move AWAY from here because of allergies. When we moved here, my husband was diagnosed with asthma within the first year. His doctor told him that breathing the valley air was almost as bad as simply smoking cigarettes on a regular basis. So, unless it was some kind of food allergy, I don't buy that one.

[aproudmom]

You're most welcome, I'm afraid it's not as detailed as I'd hoped. Perhaps we can build our own from it, adding in all of Melissa's actions & related statements now that there's been an arrest and we know what we're looking for?

Like when did the Church caretaker first mention the suitcase being missing and the make believe rummage sale?

When did Melissa first mention finding that weird note that LE didn't seem to know about mentioning the suitcase, water and road?

That kinda stuff.

That is my next question when did he make those statements I can not believe it was her and Sandra's mom that went to the hospital. I thought it was mom and grandma not MLH..Kinda odd she went to the hospital the same night they found her body. I wonder what the internal bleeding was caused by or if in fact it even was..she made a statement she has not tried to commit suicide..:sneaky:

OK I got to run helping to feed the less fortunate today have a wonderful day to all of you..

[oodi]

First of all, nobody in their right mind would move to the central valley if they had an allergy problem. Air quality in the valley is bloody awful. Between the smog, the dust, the agriculture, many people move AWAY from here because of allergies. When we moved here, my husband was diagnosed with asthma within the first year. His doctor told him that breathing the valley air was almost as bad as simply smoking cigarettes on a regular basis. So, unless it was some kind of food allergy, I don't buy that one.

And the allergies get worse every year... not better.

[Dick Tracy]

Happy Easter All!

Dick Tracy here. I've been following this twisted story since Sandra went missing, and was BLOWN away more and more each day as the tragic story unfolded.

Through all of this - I keep wondering just WHAT would set a person off to just KILL for no apparent reason (that we know of). It is maddening, and it's sickening.

What the #&!$@!! has happened to our society and people that causes little innocent children to have to die.

[playnice]

I would say she is mentally ill and snapped but the way she played the media afterward doesnt fit. I think the WHY is what everyone needs to know and especially Sandra's family.

[StickyBeak]

Good Morning Everyone and a Happy Easter/Passover to you.

I am amazed at the comments left on the church website and just can't imagine what kind of treatment Paster Lawless will receive not knowing Sandra was murdered in that church. The reminder is horrific.
Very strange MH and her allergy, maybe she was allergic to work and confined that little girl inside so as not to be bothered. The thought of her daughter very thin and often sick has me worried. Someone last night mentioned that syndrome Rasmushens (sp) is that the disease where parents sometime hurt their own children for attention? The poster I think also used this syndrome comparing MH, doing an act so they get to relive it over again. Sorry, probably not making sense. This is just so incredulous it causes exteme rambling. IMO :confused:

Keep the candles lit for Sandra

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

[playnice]

I think the motive will be something twisted. During yesterdays PC, LE said that FBI want to do a case study on her.
Maybe she did tell them why and it was so sick that they dont want to release it to spare Sandra's family.

[Mamie]

First of all, nobody in their right mind would move to the central valley if they had an allergy problem. Air quality in the valley is bloody awful. Between the smog, the dust, the agriculture, many people move AWAY from here because of allergies. When we moved here, my husband was diagnosed with asthma within the first year. His doctor told him that breathing the valley air was almost as bad as simply smoking cigarettes on a regular basis. So, unless it was some kind of food allergy, I don't buy that one.


I remember that when I lived there, too, merical. You're absolutely right about the air quality. There were actual days that the news announced on television that if you didn't have to go out today, please stay indoors, especially elderly people. I remember that clearly.

[MrLucky917B]

Has anyone seen any mention of where MH's child was during the time that Sandra went missing?

[dinojen]

dont you have to wait a certain amount of time before visiting people in jail?

A nine-person entourage that included Huckaby's grandfather, the Rev. Clifford Lane Lawless of the Clover Road church, descended on the San Joaquin County jail around 3 p.m. Saturday to visit her. The family members, who could not get in for a visit at that time, declined to comment on the arrest.

http://sacbee.com/topstories/story/1773900.html?pageNum=2&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container


Just asked my husband, he was a cop in his earlier years.. he said usually visitors aren't allowed till they are done processing and evaluating the prisoner.. so that can take a varying amount of time depending on the crime. They might be giving her a pysch evaluation also.. who knows.. hopefully more will come out later today.

Just found this on Comcast about Melissa.. comments from her uncle. He states she has one daughter and is divorced.

Huckaby's uncle, John Hughes Jr. of Whittier, told The Associated Press his niece was from a good home, but had hit a rough patch in her life and had moved in with her grandparents in Tracy to get past her troubles.

"They opened their home up to her to try to get her life back on track. I think a lot of families have problems like that," Hughes said.

Huckaby grew up in Orange County and was a "pretty normal kid," he said. As the eldest of nine grandchildren, she played "mother hen" to the younger children when the family got together for the holidays.

After graduating from high school, Huckaby's path appears to have become rockier. She married, had a daughter and was divorced in a few short years. She had difficulty finding and keeping a job, partly owing to the challenges of single motherhood, Hughes said.

"She's had her struggles," he said. "But there's no way (her grandparents) or anybody would be fearful that anything this horrifying could possibly come from that."

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20090412/Girl.In.Suitcase/

[Brattnt]

Good Morning Everyone and a Happy Easter/Passover to you.

I am amazed at the comments left on the church website and just can't imagine what kind of treatment Paster Lawless will receive not knowing Sandra was murdered in that church. The reminder is horrific.
Very strange MH and her allergy, maybe she was allergic to work and confined that little girl inside so as not to be bothered. The thought of her daughter very thin and often sick has me worried. Someone last night mentioned that syndrome Rasmushens (sp) is that the disease where parents sometime hurt their own children for attention? The poster I think also used this syndrome comparing MH, doing an act so they get to relive it over again. Sorry, probably not making sense. This is just so incredulous it causes exteme rambling. IMO :confused:

Keep the candles lit for Sandra

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

Here ya go Sticky...It's called Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome....

About MBPS

In MBPS, an individual — usually a mother — deliberately makes another person (most often his or her own preschool child) sick or convinces others that the person is sick. The parent or caregiver misleads others into thinking that the child has medical problems by lying and reporting fictitious episodes. He or she may exaggerate, fabricate, or induce symptoms. As a result, doctors usually order tests, try different types of medications, and may even hospitalize the child or perform surgery to determine the cause.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html

[Mamie]

I've been OOT for the past 4 days but I've been trying to catch up,really!! This case brings to mind a murder that happened years ago (maybe 30? 35?) It involved a stay at home mom and a friend of her child. I can't remember if they were boys or girls but the mom killed her child's friend because that child was, cuter, more talented, etc. It was a strange story and I remember the mom hid the body in a laundry basket. The kids were around 5 years old. Maybe there was an element of that in this case - especially knowing that her daughter was sickly, thin and suffered from allergies. Sandra looks quite wholesome to me.

Just something to think about...

Wait a minute-----unless I'm confused at what I read on another post here, I thought it was SHE who was suffering from allergies, not her daughter?

[dinojen]

I sure hope the visiting family is not gonna try to get their stories in sync with each other to defend the killer..like some other prominent case we know of..and I hope all visits are recorded.

Family has already been interviewed for hours.. at least her Grandparents have.. to late to change any story.. besides I think LE already knows what happened, when and how.. they just don't know why..:confused:

[Adalena935]

I would say she is mentally ill and snapped but the way she played the media afterward doesnt fit. I think the WHY is what everyone needs to know and especially Sandra's family.

That she hid the body so thoroughly and lied about it proves she knew what she did was wrong. She doesn't fit the criteria. Heaven help us if they start that carp.

[dinojen]

Wait a minute-----unless I'm confused at what I read on another post here, I thought it was SHE who was suffering from allergies, not her daughter?

It is her..Melissa

Huckaby lives with her grandparents because she suffers from severe allergies

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/12/MNJQ17163H.DTL&tsp=1


But as someone else posted.. the valley is not the best place for allergies. I live in the bay area and have asthma and it's not to great here either.. everything is blooming now and it's sneeze wheeze city.

[Pinetree]

An 8 year old best friends with a 5 year old? Who was it that Sandra visited after school? Colored on the porch then went inside to watch a movie? Wasn't that in the 1st reports of her missing?

[LILMANMAX]

Has anyone seen any mention of where MH's child was during the time that Sandra went missing?

I would like to know this as well. Very important.

[dinojen]

Hey darlin..Happy Easter to you..I think they have it all figured out too..I am very impressed with this police dept. so far.

Happy Easter to you also... and yes Tracy PD handled this great IMO. And as much as I want to know more of what they know.. I'm glad nothing has really been leaked. This needs to be kept sealed and made sure justice is done without any mistakes.

Right now I think the media is speculating alot.. as usual.

When the time is right we will hopefully here the motive..and other details.

[StickyBeak]

Here ya go Sticky...It's called Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome....

About MBPS

In MBPS, an individual — usually a mother — deliberately makes another person (most often his or her own preschool child) sick or convinces others that the person is sick. The parent or caregiver misleads others into thinking that the child has medical problems by lying and reporting fictitious episodes. He or she may exaggerate, fabricate, or induce symptoms. As a result, doctors usually order tests, try different types of medications, and may even hospitalize the child or perform surgery to determine the cause.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html

TY Brattnt, you saved the day. Now this is sad, wonder if MH uses her daughter as a screen for any other hidden pysche problems. At the Press conf. the PIO seemed to me quite shaken, his answer when ask about motive seemed stunning to him, paraphrasing, I can't begin to theorize what her motive could be as he looked about to break down.
I think Playnice is right, the FBI may think this is one for the Books of which they have never seen. Heartbreaking. I can just imagine the outcry for DP and if she truly is ill and insanity defense prevails, I pray LE comes up with a big bust of pedophiles in the area to take the edge off. I still have a uncomfortable feeling Sandra's death was the result of something more sinister going on and MH may have some involvement leading to a major bust, a Different Case. LE said this one is completed. All JMO

[StickyBeak]

I would like to know this as well. Very important.

Many of us have been wondering the same since this all happened. We only have MH word that the little girl has to clean her room. Also MH said Sandra's sister was called over to babysit while MH went to the church. We have no info as yet that I know of.

Also, I did not mean to imply MH's daughter was the one with allergies.
The article mentioned MH daughter is rather thin and always sick.
JMO

[interested]

Has anyone seen any mention of where MH's child was during the time that Sandra went missing?


Well, we have to make some assumptions to answer that with what we know at this time. If it all happened as quickly as LE seems to be indicating, it was shortly after the video of Sandra was taken, 4:00 on the 27th.

Now we have to assume Melissa was telling the truth about her daughter being in the house, but needing to clean her room.

There were also reports of Sandra's sister babysitting for her that afternoon, because she needed to go to the church to decorate the classroom for Easter.

That's a lot of assuming Melissa is telling the truth, when Melissa seems to have some huge issues with telling the truth.

I would think sooner or later we'll know if the babysitting part is true.

[dinojen]

Does anyone know where the 5yr old is now? Sorry if this has been answered already. I would think CPS would immediately have been involved.


I would think she is with her grandparents and probably other family members that have come to the area... she does have a dad, not sure what the relationship is there. But why take a 5 year old out of a home she is familiar with and people that she knows to be put in care of CPS.

The grandparents had been interviewed and police are satisfied with their answers.. why take a child from them if they weren't involved.:confused:

She also has her Melissa's parents.. no need to put her in the system.. she needs to be with people she knows.. JMHO

[Mamie]

It is her..Melissa

Huckaby lives with her grandparents because she suffers from severe allergies

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/12/MNJQ17163H.DTL&tsp=1


But as someone else posted.. the valley is not the best place for allergies. I live in the bay area and have asthma and it's not to great here either.. everything is blooming now and it's sneeze wheeze city.

Poor baby, once in awhile something gets me to sneezing and I don't know what it is, but I never used to be bothered at all by anything (which is why I don't know what it is that gets me now), but only for a couple of weeks and then it's gone.

[dinojen]

I may not have been clear, dinojen. I wasn't suggesting they remove her, just wondering if they had cleared anyone for her to stay with.

Oh I understand Lizzie.. I'm just hoping they left her where she was with people she is loved by and familiar with..:sad:

[5boxersmom]

Happy Easter everyone. Checking in while cooking. I see that some family members tried to visit MH. I also was wondering where her daughter was during that time. Maybe Sandra saw her doing something to her daughter?

I also was wondering if the Grandparents knew that was MH suitcase when Sandra was found and if they told LE that when they were questioning them?

imo

[Mamie]

An 8 year old best friends with a 5 year old? Who was it that Sandra visited after school? Colored on the porch then went inside to watch a movie? Wasn't that in the 1st reports of her missing?


It could be that Sandra just happened to get along well with kids younger than her. Then again, maybe there weren't that many choices in the mobile home park. She did have another friend there that she played with, too----don't know how old that child is. Yes, that was in the first reports of her missing because I'm trying to remember the report that THAT family either wasn't home at the time and they couldn't confirm whether she'd been there or not, when she left, etc. or some reason they couldn't ask them the questions they needed to. I remember feeling frustrated because I felt they weren't taking the measures they needed to (I'd have torn their house apart---home or not) to find out if Sandra had been there. Check with that family's neighbors to see who else they could call to find them----stuff like that. JMO

[oodi]

Oh I understand Lizzie.. I'm just hoping they left her where she was with people she is loved by and familiar with..:sad:


They say that something positve comes with every tragedy. Maybe that is the small positive in all of this... that MH's little girl will have the chance to grow up with a better parental figure. She may not understand all that is going on now, but someday she will. And hopefully she will have loving and caring people around her to be supportive, and help her deal with it.

[merical]

My guess is that MH's child was left with the great-grandparents until her folks could get to Tracy. I also think that at some point, all speculation of course, that MH probably got mixed up with drugs-meth or something. I've seen completely normal people get mixed up with meth and they start stealing and turn into completely different individuals. They can't live without it and I wonder if MH was getting money by using her own child as bait to get little girls she could drug and take photos of for the child porn industry. Maybe in the course of drugging, the little girl died. I don't know, something is fishy. I think its very likely that MH was responsible for the death, but I still think she had help hiding the body. Just a feeling. All MOO, of course.

[FrankieBones1]

Does anyone know how long Melissa Huckaby and her five year old daughter were staying with her Grandfather?

[Mamie]

Well, we have to make some assumptions to answer that with what we know at this time. If it all happened as quickly as LE seems to be indicating, it was shortly after the video of Sandra was taken, 4:00 on the 27th.

Now we have to assume Melissa was telling the truth about her daughter being in the house, but needing to clean her room.

There were also reports of Sandra's sister babysitting for her that afternoon, because she needed to go to the church to decorate the classroom for Easter.

That's a lot of assuming Melissa is telling the truth, when Melissa seems to have some huge issues with telling the truth.

I would think sooner or later we'll know if the babysitting part is true.

I know we have no reason to doubt this----but has it been confirmed that Sandra does have an older sister? Sorry if this has been asked and answered, I obviously missed it.

[5boxersmom]

An 8 year old best friends with a 5 year old? Who was it that Sandra visited after school? Colored on the porch then went inside to watch a movie? Wasn't that in the 1st reports of her missing?

I remember hearing an interview from the brother of the 5 year old. He said something like She was at our house playing with my sister yesterday. I can't remember his name.

imo

[FrankieBones1]

My guess is that MH's child was left with the great-grandparents until her folks could get to Tracy. I also think that at some point, all speculation of course, that MH probably got mixed up with drugs-meth or something. I've seen completely normal people get mixed up with meth and they start stealing and turn into completely different individuals. They can't live without it and I wonder if MH was getting money by using her own child as bait to get little girls she could drug and take photos of for the child porn industry. Maybe in the course of drugging, the little girl died. I don't know, something is fishy. I think its very likely that MH was responsible for the death, but I still think she had help hiding the body. Just a feeling. All MOO, of course.
I agree with most of the above except for her having help disposing of the body. I think she was alone in that.

[FrankieBones1]

I remember hearing an interview from the brother of the 5 year old. He said something like She was at our house playing with my sister yesterday. I can't remember his name.

imo

So it is possible afterall that Melissa has two children?

[merical]

They say that something positve comes with every tragedy. Maybe that is the small positive in all of this... that MH's little girl will have the chance to grow up with a better parental figure. She may not understand all that is going on now, but someday she will. And hopefully she will have loving and caring people around her to be supportive, and help her deal with it.

Not only that but there was an article floating around here about the Tracy 60...people who'd been identified as being involved in a child porn ring. If so, maybe this horrible tragedy will put an end to this ring, now that they've been identified. So horrid to think of any child being abused. Makes me want to superglue my daughters to my side and never let them out of my sight. Ever.

[5boxersmom]

So it is possible afterall that Melissa has two children?

I think maybe it was another neighbor.

imo

[FrankieBones1]

It could be that Sandra just happened to get along well with kids younger than her. Then again, maybe there weren't that many choices in the mobile home park. She did have another friend there that she played with, too----don't know how old that child is. Yes, that was in the first reports of her missing because I'm trying to remember the report that THAT family either wasn't home at the time and they couldn't confirm whether she'd been there or not, when she left, etc. or some reason they couldn't ask them the questions they needed to. I remember feeling frustrated because I felt they weren't taking the measures they needed to (I'd have torn their house apart---home or not) to find out if Sandra had been there. Check with that family's neighbors to see who else they could call to find them----stuff like that. JMO

Early reports in this case said that Sandra was very tiny for her age.

[merical]

I know we have no reason to doubt this----but has it been confirmed that Sandra does have an older sister? Sorry if this has been asked and answered, I obviously missed it.

I believe she had two or three older sisters, if I'm not mistaken. I need to spend more time checking my facts, though. I'm terrible at that.:blushing:

[FrankieBones1]

Not only that but there was an article floating around here about the Tracy 60...people who'd been identified as being involved in a child porn ring. If so, maybe this horrible tragedy will put an end to this ring, now that they've been identified. So horrid to think of any child being abused. Makes me want to superglue my daughters to my side and never let them out of my sight. Ever.

Tracy must be a rough place to live. First time I ever heard about it was back when Laci Peterson went missing. A tip was called in to have LE check out a meth house or crack house in Tracy.

[Mamie]

My guess is that MH's child was left with the great-grandparents until her folks could get to Tracy. I also think that at some point, all speculation of course, that MH probably got mixed up with drugs-meth or something. I've seen completely normal people get mixed up with meth and they start stealing and turn into completely different individuals. They can't live without it and I wonder if MH was getting money by using her own child as bait to get little girls she could drug and take photos of for the child porn industry. Maybe in the course of drugging, the little girl died. I don't know, something is fishy. I think its very likely that MH was responsible for the death, but I still think she had help hiding the body. Just a feeling. All MOO, of course.

The great grandparents were away at an annual Bible Convention in Salinas at the time MH was arrested, if memory serves. JMO

[sunstar]

Happy Easter everyone. Checking in while cooking. I see that some family members tried to visit MH. I also was wondering where her daughter was during that time. Maybe Sandra saw her doing something to her daughter?

I also was wondering if the Grandparents knew that was MH suitcase when Sandra was found and if they told LE that when they were questioning them?

imo

Happy Easter to you too! :seeya: I've still got a lot of questions, like yours, about who was where when this was going down. Where were the grandparents when LE believes Sandra was killed? If they were home couldn't some of this story about Melissa telling Sandra she couldn't play with her daughter be confirmed? And if that part were true how did MH lure Sandra back to the house or to the church (if that's where she was killed)? Finally, I'd also like to know why MH's daughter is so thin and sick. MOO

[dinojen]

So it is possible afterall that Melissa has two children?

No she has one child.. just her daughter..

I'm not sure who the poster was referring to.. possibly another friend that Sandra went to play with before going to MH's house.:confused:

[Mamie]

I believe she had two or three older sisters, if I'm not mistaken. I need to spend more time checking my facts, though. I'm terrible at that.:blushing:


Well a thought just occurred to me about this------it's a pretty cold and heartless person to ask an older sister to watch your child, while you murder her younger sister. JMO

[Mamie]

Early reports in this case said that Sandra was very tiny for her age.

Ahh, see-----another reason she likes playing with younger kids, she feels comfortable with them and enjoys them. Thanks Frankie----nice to see you, dear!

[sunstar]

I remember hearing an interview from the brother of the 5 year old. He said something like She was at our house playing with my sister yesterday. I can't remember his name.

imo

Even if she just has the one child, and the grandparents living there, that would be four people in the mobile home. Unless they all were out that late afternoon/early evening, I do believe now that Sandra was killed somewhere else. MOO

[dinojen]

Tracy must be a rough place to live. First time I ever heard about it was back when Laci Peterson went missing. A tip was called in to have LE check out a meth house or crack house in Tracy.


Add the Tracy teen torture case.. that one also involved drugs, child abuse and just plain inhumane acts on a teen.. that one was horrible, how that young man will ever get over what was done to him I have no idea.. and those torturing him had children of their own.. another was a pee wee football coach.. just sick...:cursing:

[dinojen]

So then if MH has two children, and the grandparents living there, that would be five people in the mobile home? Unless they all were out that evening, I do believe now that Sandra was killed somewhere else. MOO


Her uncle stated this morning in the SF paper.. she has one child and
is divorced. There are not two children.. it was reported in error I think.

[interested]

I know we have no reason to doubt this----but has it been confirmed that Sandra does have an older sister? Sorry if this has been asked and answered, I obviously missed it.

It's a good way into the article, but Maria Chavez (Sandra's Mom) shares her home with her parents and three other children, Miranda, 11, Tommy, 15, and Simone, 20. It was reported that Sandra spent time that afternoon with one neighborhood friend coloring on the porch, went home because she wanted to go to the movies with her sister, went back out to play when they realized they didn't have enough money to go to the movie.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29970655/


FWIW, it was a great question, IMO. We see her aunt, grandpa, grandma, Mom, cousins mentioned but I didn't know the household make up until you asked. It seems Sandra had a large close family.

[titanfan217]

Her uncle stated this morning in the SF paper.. she has one child and
is divorced. There are not two children.. it was reported in error I think.

Is that article on-line?

[sunstar]

Unless I was dreaming, (which is entirely possible ~ between Sandra, Haleigh, Caylee and Tori, sleep is fairly elusive), it was confirmed this morning that Sandra was murdered in the church. Going to look it up now, BRB.

thank you ~ I Googled for new articles before coming here, but didn't see anything. That does make a lot more sense that she lured her over to the church, which would fit with the kidnapping charge and go to premeditation, imo.

[sunstar]

Her uncle stated this morning in the SF paper.. she has one child and
is divorced. There are not two children.. it was reported in error I think.

I revised my post you quoted after reading some more here. thanks. :smile:

[5boxersmom]

No she has one child.. just her daughter..

I'm not sure who the poster was referring to.. possibly another friend that Sandra went to play with before going to MH's house.:confused:

Yes I think it is another friend.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1612066/sandra_cantu_missing_8yearold_2_persons.html?cat=8

The neighbor, Nahum Diaz, told KTVU-TV, "We saw her yesterday at our house. She was playing with my 5-year-old sister. Then she left, she told her she had to go do her homework, and I didn't see her anymore

[interested]

I think maybe it was another neighbor.

imo


This is why I'd really like to get more detail into the timeline. I think there were two friends she visited that day. One she went and colored with on the porch. She went home & after determining she and her sister didn't have enough money to go to the movies headed back out to see Kassandra Huckaby. Both friends, IIRC are 5 years old.

I don't find that all that unusual, my oldest was the oldest in the neighborhood of the little kids. He/I had a choice, at 8 he could play with the 6 year olds, or the one and only older child in the neighborhood, a 12 year old. I was very comfortable with him hanging with the 6 year olds especially since one of them was his brother and I could keep all the activity right here in my yard. Yes, I was grateful to have them all in my yard even all those years ago in a very small neighborhood with little traffic.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Unless I was dreaming, (which is entirely possible ~ between Sandra, Haleigh, Caylee and Tori, sleep is fairly elusive), it was confirmed this morning that Sandra was murdered in the church. Going to look it up now, BRB.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml

Police: Cantu Was Murdered In Church
CBS News Has Learned Investigators Believe 8-Yr-Old Girl Was Killed Where Suspect Worked As Sunday School Teacher

TRACY, Calif., April 12, 2009

[dinojen]

Is that article on-line?

Huckaby grew up in Orange County and was a "pretty normal kid," he said. As the eldest of nine grandchildren, she played "mother hen" to the younger children when the family got together for the holidays.

After graduating from high school, Huckaby's path appears to have become rockier. She married, had a daughter and was divorced in a few short years. She had difficulty finding and keeping a job, partly owing to the challenges of single motherhood, Hughes said.

"She's had her struggles," he said. "But there's no way (her grandparents) or anybody would be fearful that anything this horrifying could possibly come from that."

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news...l.In.Suitcase/

[dinojen]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml

While CBS is reporting this.. I'll wait till Tracy PD comes out and says it.. they are keeping so much sealed.. I don't think they would chance anything in this case...

We will find out what they do know as fact in good time. JMO

[Mamie]

It's a good way into the article, but Maria Chavez (Sandra's Mom) shares her home with her parents and three other children, Miranda, 11, Tommy, 15, and Simone, 20. It was reported that Sandra spent time that afternoon with one neighborhood friend coloring on the porch, went home because she wanted to go to the movies with her sister, went back out to play when they realized they didn't have enough money to go to the movie.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29970655/


FWIW, it was a great question, IMO. We see her aunt, grandpa, grandma, Mom, cousins mentioned but I didn't know the household make up until you asked. It seems Sandra had a large close family.


Ahh, thank you very much for the info---it does help to know who makes up the family-----on either side---I think. Thanks interested!

[aproudmom]

O/T, just heard on HLN of a judge in India (I think) who refused to grant an annulment to an 8yr old girl who was wed to a 40+yr old man late last year. Seems the girl's father arranged the marriage to repay a debt. What is WRONG with this world? JMO

OMG you have to be kidding me..how sick..also just got in and heard the captain of the ship that pirates took hostage has been rescued:thumbup:

God Bless AMERICA:patriot: and our men and women that protect us..they brought him home to his family..US Navy you rock:thumbup:

[AmndaRcknwth]

Someone asked. I replied. I didn't make up the news.

[aproudmom]

I agree with most of the above except for her having help disposing of the body. I think she was alone in that.

Did she make the statement that she had been in the area of were they found Sandra? or had been to the dairy farm before I thought she did

[Mamie]

Well a thought just occurred to me about this------it's a pretty cold and heartless person to ask an older sister to watch your child, while you murder her younger sister. JMO


Replying to my own post-----so Miranda, one of Sandra's older sisters is 11. If she did, in fact, come and babysit at MH's request, I wonder if MH called her on the phone, went over to get her, or sent Sandra back to ask her to come. And if the grandparents were home, why would she even ask, anyhow?

[aproudmom]

My apologies, they believe it was at the church.


CBS News has learned that police in Tracy believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer was a Sunday school teacher.

I think she was they know the location and bet it was at that church I for one am still wondering why they never searched the building until the 2nd search..took them 30 minutes to get in it..also has anyone heard if they had service today I know I read on a live chat they had media out there may have been KRON4 IIRC

[interested]

Someone asked. I replied. I didn't make up the news.

It's being reported all over the place, it's just not an official statement from LE. TY for posting it Amnda.

I expect they'll hold everything very close to the vest for fear of jeopardizing the case as well they should.

I nearly fainted when they said she'd asked for a lawyer and then changed her mind and kept talking. All I could think of was John Couey and all the evidence thrown out of his trial because they kept talking to him after he asked for a lawyer.

I'm crossing my fingers that is really the reason they read her Miranda twice, she waived them a second time when she decided to keep talking.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I think she was they know the location and bet it was at that church I for one am still wondering why they never searched the building until the 2nd search..took them 30 minutes to get in it..also has anyone heard if they had service today I know I read on a live chat they had media out there may have been KRON4 IIRC


Do you mean the sheds? Everything was searched the first time. Both the big and small shed, and the inside and under the church.

During the search on Friday evening, they took larger stuff, one thing said to be a fol-up bed.


I'm just guessing this... but the reason they couldn't get into the shed Friday was the lock had been fixed/changed.

[Thurs-Child]

Hi Everyone, this is my first post. Hope it comes through ok.

Did I read/hear that there is only one way in and out of the Mobile Home Park? If so, wouldn't the police have seen who left the park shortly after Sandra passed by on the video from the Grandpa's camera. Melissa leaving and possibly coming back in a relatively short period of time. Maybe that is why they are saying she was murdered shortly after being seen{Sandra} on the video.

JMO/TIA

[AmndaRcknwth]

I thought of Couey too.

I hope they videotaped the entire thing, and nothing important gets thrown out.

Just waiting for a famous attorney to get in this.

[MrLucky917B]

My apologies, they believe it was at the church.


CBS News has learned that police in Tracy believe 8-year-old Sandra Cantu was murdered in the church where her accused killer was a Sunday school teacher.

Has it ever been determined that MH was a teacher at the Grandfather's church, could she have been a Sunday school teacher at another church in the area?

[sunstar]

Yes I think it is another friend.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1612066/sandra_cantu_missing_8yearold_2_persons.html?cat=8

The neighbor, Nahum Diaz, told KTVU-TV, "We saw her yesterday at our house. She was playing with my 5-year-old sister. Then she left, she told her she had to go do her homework, and I didn't see her anymore

I remember this from the beginning of the case. It always seemed a little odd since Sandra didn't go home to do homework. Not that I don't believe him, just curious she would've said that. :shrug:

[aproudmom]

Replying to my own post-----so Miranda, one of Sandra's older sisters is 11. If she did, in fact, come and babysit at MH's request, I wonder if MH called her on the phone, went over to get her, or sent Sandra back to ask her to come. And if the grandparents were home, why would she even ask, anyhow?

If you believe her yes they should have been since grandma called her to let her know her keys and cell phone was found that is when she said she called the church to let her know and then she noticed her luggage had been left and they went out and it was gone..also not sure if everyone watched the interview with the family grandpa was at work he picked her up from school and then went to work so not sure he made the statement he was aware she left again to go to another friends house..and they did not attend that church at anytime.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Hi Everyone, this is my first post. Hope it comes through ok.

Did I read/hear that there is only one way in and out of the Mobile Home Park? If so, wouldn't the police have seen who left the park shortly after Sandra passed by on the video from the Grandpa's camera. Melissa leaving and possibly coming back in a relatively short period of time. Maybe that is why they are saying she was murdered shortly after being seen{Sandra} on the video.

JMO/TIA


Hi Thurs-Child, welcome.

That is a good point. Melissa would only have 2 ways out. She lived on the corner...
the easiest way is to pass the Chavez/Cantu home. But if she went the longer way, maybe not.

Here's a map-look, it might help.

(click to full-size it)
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/021.jpg


sorry, edit to add this link might work better (?):
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=021.jpg

[CC I See]

Early reports in this case said that Sandra was very tiny for her age.

I have heard that but she does not look tiny on the video of her last moments.

If this women is guilty then she should get the death penalty. Her gender and age should not be a factor whatsoever in her punishment.

[interested]

Random thoughts:

I guess I assumed the grandparents weren't home when Melissa first left the house, but they returned while she was at the church?

If she truly had Sandra's sister come to babysit, especially an 11 year old babysitting a 5 year old, it would only be for a short time, don't you think? In expectation the grandparents would be home shortly?

If the sister was called to sit, I believe Sandra was already drugged, in the suitcase & the suitcase was in the car (possibly suffocation as COD?). All a rouse, and yes as cold an act as could be, calling Sandra's sister to babysit.

[Thurs-Child]

Amnda- Thank you for the welcome and your reply/map. Hopefully she was nervous and forgot about the camera and they have her on video.
JMO

[FrankieBones1]

Add the Tracy teen torture case.. that one also involved drugs, child abuse and just plain inhumane acts on a teen.. that one was horrible, how that young man will ever get over what was done to him I have no idea.. and those torturing him had children of their own.. another was a pee wee football coach.. just sick...:cursing:

I had almost forgotten about that case.

[CC I See]

There has to be a motive.... a strong one. A person just doesn't kill a child for no reason. Whatever it was, it must have been enough to compel her to do so. Possible motive would be to hide a molestation.

NOT all sex offenders are male... some are women which I have posted a number of times on various threads. I don't buy the fact that this person is mentally ill. Wasn't she cleared earlier to stand trial on her alleged theft charge? If she was so mentally unstable wouldn't her family have gotten her help earlier? This all is sounding way to familiar to me.

[FrankieBones1]

I have heard that but she does not look tiny on the video of her last moments.

If this women is guilty then she should get the death penalty. Her gender and age should not be a factor whatsoever in her punishment.
Thankfully, California still has the death penalty.

[FrankieBones1]

I have heard that but she does not look tiny on the video of her last moments.

If this women is guilty then she should get the death penalty. Her gender and age should not be a factor whatsoever in her punishment.

Maybe they meant 'short'.

I think she was wearing her mom's flip flops.

[FrankieBones1]

Oh I understand Lizzie.. I'm just hoping they left her where she was with people she is loved by and familiar with..:sad:
How long would they have to wait before a special agent was to question her.

[dinojen]

Thankfully, California still has the death penalty.

Yes we have the death penalty..it just take decades for it to be enforced.

[FrankieBones1]

Purely speculation on my part, I would think they would have to do a fairly extensive psych evaluation first.

Hi, Lizzie. I was talking about the five year old daughter of Melissa Huckaby.

[CC I See]

How long would they have to wait before a special agent was to question her.

Hopefully, they will have an investigator that is capable of finding out what happened not only to Sandra but to the daughter as well.

I know this sounds judgmental and it is, but was this family in denial about this woman's problems and chose to look the other way? It will be interesting to see how much love and forgiveness her parents and grandparents give her now that they are aware of what she allegedly has done.

[oodi]

Hi, Lizzie. I was talking about the five year old daughter of Melissa Huckaby.

They probably wouldn't, unless there was reason to believe she was there at the time, and may have seen something. I don't think there has been any reliable info on where MH's daughter was.

[dinojen]

Hi, Lizzie. I was talking about the five year old daughter of Melissa Huckaby.

I don't think there would be any reason to take her from the home.. and like I said before.. she also has Melissa's parents, an aunt and two uncles.. plus her dad if he is involved in her life.. no need to put a child in foster care or CPS system...JMHO

[sunstar]

Hopefully, they will have an investigator that is capable of finding out what happened not only to Sandra but to the daughter as well.

I know this sounds judgmental and it is, but was this family in denial about this woman's problems and chose to look the other way? It will be interesting to see how much love and forgiveness her parents and grandparents give her now that they are aware of what she allegedly has done.
I think it's a good point about denial. It seems odd to me that a 28 y/o woman with a 5 y/o child was living with her grandparents, and didn't even have a "real" job. I could understand it more if the grandparents were ill and needed care, but that doesn't seem to be the case at all. And for MH moving there because of her allergies, I'm not buying that at all. What I worry about most is why her daughter was sick. :sad: MOO

[CC I See]

I don't think there would be any reason to take her from the home.. and like I said before.. she also has Melissa's parents, an aunt and two uncles.. plus her dad if he is involved in her life.. no need to put a child in foster care or CPS system...JMHO

If a child was murdered in this family whether it was one of theirs or someone else's daughter, there are serious problems in that home. They need an independent counselor to make that judgement call because I think that more serious problems may be below the surface.

[BobbysGirl]

Hi everyone,

Waiting on dinner. I have been reading here and there when I can.

Couple questions. Where is Melissa's husband(ex). Anyone know anything about him? Where he is, what age? I heard or read his first name is John. Any info on him?

TIA

BG

[dinojen]

If a child was murdered in this family whether it was one of theirs or someone else's daughter, there are serious problems in that home. They need an independent counselor to make that judgement call because I think that more serious problems may be below the surface.

Point was she has other family members besides her great grandparents.. she can go with her grandparents or other family members.. This child didn't do anything wrong and shouldn't pay for what her mother did by being seperated from her family.

jmo

[KKKKKKatie]

Point was she has other family members besides her great grandparents.. she can go with her grandparents or other family members.. This child didn't do anything wrong and shouldn't pay for what her mother did by being seperated from her family.

jmo

If the father is in the picture the courts in CA are most likely to send her to live with him....if he wants her. IMO

[StickyBeak]

My apologies:blushing:. Between ADHD and dyslexia it is a miracle I can follow these boards at all!


:laugh: Cracking me up LOL, O/T but found a link for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91PCxlTKfII
Thinking of your slap on the wrist comment last night, LOL

Sandra's death I hope will not be in vain. I pray I am wrong but it is my belief Tracey LE have uncovered a mountain of evidence we, no doubt, will ever hear about. Her investigation has perhaps led to more horrific events in this small community. Hopefully, the residence aren't cringing anymore at the warings from LE to Watch your Children every minute. Who Know, we all thought pedophile abduction. JMO
RIP sweet little girl.

[sunstar]

Hi everyone,

Waiting on dinner. I have been reading here and there when I can.

Couple questions. Where is Melissa's husband(ex). Anyone know anything about him? Where he is, what age? I heard or read his first name is John. Any info on him?

TIA

BG
I haven't heard about him at all. I do pray he's part of his daughter's life, especially now with MH in jail. :sad:

[CC I See]

I haven't heard about him at all. I do pray he's part of his daughter's life, especially now with MH in jail. :sad:
... I guess we will have to reserve judgement until he steps forward. There might be a really good reason why he is not a part of his daughter's life.

[sunstar]

... I guess we will have to reserve judgement until he steps forward. There might be a really good reason why he is not a part of his daughter's life.

Yes, you're right. :smile: But it could also be, maybe because he doesn't want to have anything to do with MH.

[interested]

I haven't heard about him at all. I do pray he's part of his daughter's life, especially now with MH in jail. :sad:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20090412/Girl.in.Suitcase/

It really doesn't seem likely. She was married and divorced inside of "a few years" & the family claims her inability to keep a job was related to single motherhood.

Wouldn't Dad help her with child care so she could keep a job? Which of course only brings benefits to Dad such as being able to spend that much more time with his daughter, his daughter having a better quality of life because their financial status would be more stable, taking some of the heat off of Dad regarding child support, that kinda thing?

[daisywva]

I thought that Melissa may have been a pedophile and may have kidnapped little Sandra for that reason, but in the article below Candice Delong,the retired FBI profiler, states that this was not a sexually motivated crime. Apparently they are confident that she had a different motive. But Im wondering if Melissa could convince them that it wasnt her motive when that was her purpose all along.

Stated by Candice Delong:
"It's very unusual for women to be involved in an abduction and murder of a child," said Candice DeLong, a retired FBI profiler based in San Francisco. "Sometimes we see this when the woman is working with a male partner. It does not appear to be the case this time. But this was not a sexually motivated crime


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/12/national/main4937253.shtml

[magnolia]

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57695&catid=2

News footage of Melissa Huckaby's family giving a statement today (Easter Sunday). The man doesn't want to identify himself at this time but it thought to be a brother? The woman is Joni Hughes, Melissa's aunt.

They said this was very shocking. :(

[lune3]

I've been away for more than a day. Trying to catch up.

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I keep thinking about MH's behaviour regarding reporting the suitcase and the second note.

It seems she was an attention seeker, as though she wanted to be "important" and have a part in the investigation. We all know she lied now, but I keep coming back this. Something in her mentality that wanted attention and at the same time to "play" with LE, like a game of control.
Obviously she's not clever, stupid actually, low IQ, since had she kept her mouth shut, she might very well have not been suspected till much later if at all.

It's the same thing with the weird text message she sent to reporters on her way to be questioned. She wanted the focus on her.

You'd think a killer would want to lie low, not to attract attention to themselves...but not her.

There's something in this mentality of hers that is connected to what she did. I really hope we will ultimately understand what her motive was.

[aproudmom]

I remember this from the beginning of the case. It always seemed a little odd since Sandra didn't go home to do homework. Not that I don't believe him, just curious she would've said that. :shrug:

This is the part that I do not understand how is she seen leaving her house we know she is walking towards her house so I guess this is not the part of the tape we saw..she was walking toward the house not away from the house but they say it is the same time they have said the video released is at 4pm seem to me that by this report she was leaving, coming and also leaving a friend's home all at the same time 4pm..:confused:

Sandra Cantu was last seen on March 27. Her mother reported her missing at 8:00 p.m. A surveillance video camera recorded her walking away from her family's trailer at 4:00 p.m. She was also seen leaving a neighbor's house at about the same time.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1612066/sandra_cantu_missing_8yearold_2_persons.html?cat=8

[FrankieBones1]

I don't think there would be any reason to take her from the home.. and like I said before.. she also has Melissa's parents, an aunt and two uncles.. plus her dad if he is involved in her life.. no need to put a child in foster care or CPS system...JMHO
Hi, Dino. I didn't mean to take her out of the home; I was wondering when they'll have a special agent speak with her and ask her questions about her mom.

[Santa'sMom]

Hopefully, they will have an investigator that is capable of finding out what happened not only to Sandra but to the daughter as well.

I know this sounds judgmental and it is, but was this family in denial about this woman's problems and chose to look the other way? It will be interesting to see how much love and forgiveness her parents and grandparents give her now that they are aware of what she allegedly has done.

Maybe the parents and the grandparents are the reason she is the way she is? I'm not saying that it is because I don't have a clue but it is a possibility. Sometimes pastors take on tiny churches because they are so off-the-wall that they can't get a position anywhere else or because they feel that their way is the only way so they have to go off on their own. Probably most of those people are genuinely caring people, but we all know that some of them are simply controlling, dominant people who do not make for good parental material. Again, I am not saying that this is the case, but it is a possibility.

[~jomomma~]

This is the part that I do not understand how is she seen leaving her house we know she is walking towards her house so I guess this is not the part of the tape we saw..she was walking toward the house not away from the house but they say it is the same time they have said the video released is at 4pm seem to me that by this report she was leaving, coming and also leaving a friend's home all at the same time 4pm..:confused:

Sandra Cantu was last seen on March 27. Her mother reported her missing at 8:00 p.m. A surveillance video camera recorded her walking away from her family's trailer at 4:00 p.m. She was also seen leaving a neighbor's house at about the same time.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1612066/sandra_cantu_missing_8yearold_2_persons.html?cat=8


no wonder i've been so dang confused about this!

i need a nap right now...will be back later!

[aproudmom]

I've been away for more than a day. Trying to catch up.

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I keep thinking about MH's behaviour regarding reporting the suitcase and the second note.

It seems she was an attention seeker, as though she wanted to be "important" and have a part in the investigation. We all know she lied now, but I keep coming back this. Something in her mentality that wanted attention and at the same time to "play" with LE, like a game of control.
Obviously she's not clever, stupid actually, low IQ, since had she kept her mouth shut, she might very well have not been suspected till much later if at all.

It's the same thing with the weird text message she sent to reporters on her way to be questioned. She wanted the focus on her.

You'd think a killer would want to lie low, not to attract attention to themselves...but not her.

There's something in this mentality of hers that is connected to what she did. I really hope we will ultimately understand what her motive was.

my bolding
All of the above lune and not so sure about this note LE IIRC did not know about it until she started moving her mouth to the media..attention ya think? yep heck she was calling them texting the media even gave them a big wave bye bye on her way to the PD..I think we need to thank some of this arrest on the media who was at those press conf. asking these questions that he was unaware of..so they went back within a few hours searched the church again and had her come in and boom slap the ol cuffs on her...:biggrin:

[islandgirl36542]

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57695&catid=2

News footage of Melissa Huckaby's family giving a statement today (Easter Sunday). The man doesn't want to identify himself at this time but it thought to be a brother? The woman is Joni Hughes, Melissa's aunt.

They said this was very shocking. :(

They also said.... "as we have not been allowed To See Melissa yet"

is this because Melissa has refused to see anyone or is it LE

RIP Sandra Cantu...:rose:

Justice Will Prevail

[lune3]

Sorry if this has already been posted, since it was written yesterday;

Strange that MH's kids were never seen playing outside. I wonder why she kept them inside all the time.
Handyman saw Sandra going into Huckaby home about two weeks ago.
Huckaby on suicide watch, and refusing visitors.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12119398?source=most_viewed

[lune3]

They also said.... "as we have not been allowed To See Melissa yet"

is this because Melissa has refused to see anyone or is it LE

RIP Sandra Cantu...:rose:

Justice Will Prevail

She's refusing visitors as per the article I posted upthread.

[FrankieBones1]

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57695&catid=2

News footage of Melissa Huckaby's family giving a statement today (Easter Sunday). The man doesn't want to identify himself at this time but it thought to be a brother? The woman is Joni Hughes, Melissa's aunt.

They said this was very shocking. :(
Aunt Joni and the family spokesperson seem like really nice people as opposed to Haleigh's relatives. The spokesperson sounds like a man of the cloth and he speaks well.

I am, however, bothered by the fact that they want to hold services in that very church that is under investigation.

There are so many other churches that they can use to worship.

[kitty1182]

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57695&catid=2

News footage of Melissa Huckaby's family giving a statement today (Easter Sunday). The man doesn't want to identify himself at this time but it thought to be a brother? The woman is Joni Hughes, Melissa's aunt.

They said this was very shocking. :(

Very sad..Two families torn apart by something that should never have happen..:sad:

[CC I See]

I've been away for more than a day. Trying to catch up.

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I keep thinking about MH's behaviour regarding reporting the suitcase and the second note.

It seems she was an attention seeker, as though she wanted to be "important" and have a part in the investigation. We all know she lied now, but I keep coming back this. Something in her mentality that wanted attention and at the same time to "play" with LE, like a game of control.
Obviously she's not clever, stupid actually, low IQ, since had she kept her mouth shut, she might very well have not been suspected till much later if at all.

It's the same thing with the weird text message she sent to reporters on her way to be questioned. She wanted the focus on her.

You'd think a killer would want to lie low, not to attract attention to themselves...but not her.

There's something in this mentality of hers that is connected to what she did. I really hope we will ultimately understand what her motive was.

Maybe she saw all of the attention that Casey got and wanted her share..... to be on TV and have attorneys fight to save her life. Maybe she wanted to punish her family and this was a good way to do it. Maybe she is just an evil person who liked the idea of killing a child and set her up to do it.

We won't know until the case gets going and the attorneys show up and the news media appears willing to pay for interviews. Let's not forget about movie and book deals. It will be interesing how much the family gets out of this, also.

..... and some people think this women is mentally ill. I think not, I think she is self serving and this all works out for her need for attention.

[magnolia]

Aunt Joni and the family spokesperson seem like really nice people as opposed to Haleigh's relatives. The spokesperson sounds like a man of the cloth and he speaks well.

I am, however, bothered by the fact that they want to hold services in that very church that is under investigation.

There are so many other churches that they can use to worship.

Yeah, I'm not sure about worshipping there. It would be a challenge for me, but maybe they want to bless it and pray for Sandra (especially if that was the last place she was alive.)

[magnolia]

Very sad..Two families torn apart by something that should never have happen..:sad:

Yes, I agree...there's a black cloud over their family name now. I mean it could happen to anyone, especially with an extended family. I have cousins (with my last name) that I don't see and have no clue what they are doing. It would be horrible to have a member of my family (with my last name) do something so egregious, but also bad for me personally to be thrust into the spotlight and have my closest relationships challenged and stressed. (Of course, it goes without saying the the victim's family would have the hardest road to bear. :sad:)

[CC I See]

Yeah, I'm not sure about worshipping there. It would be a challenge for me, but maybe they want to bless it and pray for Sandra (especially if that was the last place she was alive.)

I understand what you are saying. There was a tragic death, accidental at my church and it really changed how we felt about the building. The church has since relocated and the new location has a better feel about it.

[dinojen]

Aunt Joni and the family spokesperson seem like really nice people as opposed to Haleigh's relatives. The spokesperson sounds like a man of the cloth and he speaks well.

I am, however, bothered by the fact that they want to hold services in that very church that is under investigation.

There are so many other churches that they can use to worship.

Melissa's father and uncle are both ministers, so could be her uncle.

[interested]

This is the part that I do not understand how is she seen leaving her house we know she is walking towards her house so I guess this is not the part of the tape we saw..she was walking toward the house not away from the house but they say it is the same time they have said the video released is at 4pm seem to me that by this report she was leaving, coming and also leaving a friend's home all at the same time 4pm..:confused:

Sandra Cantu was last seen on March 27. Her mother reported her missing at 8:00 p.m. A surveillance video camera recorded her walking away from her family's trailer at 4:00 p.m. She was also seen leaving a neighbor's house at about the same time.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1612066/sandra_cantu_missing_8yearold_2_persons.html?cat=8


The original reports were that she had last been seen at about 3:00 pm, that was before they found/saw the video. Mom was rather distressed at that point because LE was still saying they expected to find her alive and well and didn't expect this was an abduction while Mom was saying she thought it was.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29970655/

I'm confused as to why Mom didn't see her or someone at least remember her coming back & then going out again. Perhaps Mom had run out to the store or something, but the exchange about the movies & not having enough money to go didn't come out until a few days later.

[CC I See]

Melissa's father and uncle are both ministers, so could be her uncle.

It will be very interesting to read the names of the 60 in the child porn ring... wonder if any of those names have been mentioned by news media in the Sandra murder investigation.

[interested]

I've been away for more than a day. Trying to catch up.

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I keep thinking about MH's behaviour regarding reporting the suitcase and the second note.

It seems she was an attention seeker, as though she wanted to be "important" and have a part in the investigation. We all know she lied now, but I keep coming back this. Something in her mentality that wanted attention and at the same time to "play" with LE, like a game of control.
Obviously she's not clever, stupid actually, low IQ, since had she kept her mouth shut, she might very well have not been suspected till much later if at all.

It's the same thing with the weird text message she sent to reporters on her way to be questioned. She wanted the focus on her.

You'd think a killer would want to lie low, not to attract attention to themselves...but not her.

There's something in this mentality of hers that is connected to what she did. I really hope we will ultimately understand what her motive was.

I don't think she would have said word one, if it hadn't been for the fact LE was zoning in on her Grandfather.

I don't think she was attention seeking, I think she was in a panic & had to deflect attention away from him.

[dinojen]

It will be very interesting to read the names of the 60 in the child porn ring... wonder if any of those names have been mentioned by news media in the Sandra murder investigation.

What child porn ring..? Do you have a link to that or is it just your opinion or speculation?

[oodi]

What child porn ring..? Do you have a link to that or is it just your opinion or speculation?


I was going to ask the same thing. I've seen a few posts referencing the "Tracy 60" but that's all I know.

[interested]

What child porn ring..? Do you have a link to that or is it just your opinion or speculation?

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html

Law enforcement officials investigating the disappearance of Sandra Cantu recently revealed that they had identified 60 area suspects trafficking in child pornography online.

These criminals don't traffic in heroin or crack cocaine. They traffic in crime scene photos and movies of the rape, torture and degredation of children. And their foul market can only be supplied one way.

I don't know that we or the local police have enough information to assume these people are all connected in one group we could call a "porn ring", but odds are at least some are file sharing with each other. JMHO

There are other articles referencing this, but it's the first one I came across with a google.

[lune3]

I don't think she would have said word one, if it hadn't been for the fact LE was zoning in on her Grandfather.

I don't think she was attention seeking, I think she was in a panic & had to deflect attention away from him.

I'm not so sure she was that selfless. She knew her granddad didn't do it, and there would not have been any proof. If she'd tried to deflect attention away from the pastor, I'd think she could have made up a lie about "remembering" seeing someone, a stranger, or even elaborated with something regarding the "man with a mustache". If she's capable of murder, she's capable of accusing innocent people.
I think her behaviour even after the suitcase and note indicated she wanted attention...the waving, the lol text to the press.

Or......subconsciously she wanted to get caught due to extreme guilt....acting out.

[oodi]

http://www.protect.org/Newswire/California/In-wake-of-tragedy-Tracy-could-lead-nation.html



I don't know that we or the local police have enough information to assume these people are all connected in one group we could call a "porn ring", but odds are at least some are file sharing with each other. JMHO

There are other articles referencing this, but it's the first one I came across with a google.

Thanks for the info and the link!

[interested]

Thanks for the info and the link!

Better link, to when LE first made the comment:

http://salem-news.com/articles/april062009/child_porn_connect_4-6-09.php

Now, according to the Tracy Press, investigators in the case say they are looking at 60 individuals in the Tracy area who have been identified trafficking in child pornography, along with 78 "registered" sex offenders.

It is believed to be the first time in the U.S. that police have publicly acknowledged the huge population of known but not arrested child pornography suspects in a missing child case.

[kitty1182]

Thanks for the info and the link!

From the link..
They traffic in crime scene photos and movies of the rape, torture and degredation of children. And their foul market can only be supplied one way.

How sick is this? :flamemad::flamemad:

[dinojen]

Thanks for the info and the link!

I still don't see what that link has to do with those involved in this case...

JMO..

[sunstar]

I'm not so sure she was that selfless. She knew her granddad didn't do it, and there would not have been any proof. If she'd tried to deflect attention away from the pastor, I'd think she could have made up a lie about "remembering" seeing someone, a stranger, or even elaborated with something regarding the "man with a mustache". If she's capable of murder, she's capable of accusing innocent people.
I think her behaviour even after the suitcase and note indicated she wanted attention...the waving, the lol text to the press.

Or......subconsciously she wanted to get caught due to extreme guilt....acting out.

I don't think she's that selfless either. Her granddad was under scrutiny almost from the beginning, with his house and the church being searched. At any point she could've come forward and admitted she did it if she was that concerned about him. MOO

[oodi]

From the link..
They traffic in crime scene photos and movies of the rape, torture and degredation of children. And their foul market can only be supplied one way.

How sick is this? :flamemad::flamemad:

Since I'm only about 50 miles from Tracy, it's even more alarming!!!

[oodi]

I still don't see what that link has to do with those involved in this case...

JMO..


My guess... and this is purely a guess... is that some of the 60 on that list may be some of the first ones looked at as suspects in Sandra's disappearance. As far as we all know currently, it has nothing to do with this case... unless some speculations are correct, and MH is involved in this ring somehow.

[beamer]

Random thoughts:

I guess I assumed the grandparents weren't home when Melissa first left the house, but they returned while she was at the church?

If she truly had Sandra's sister come to babysit, especially an 11 year old babysitting a 5 year old, it would only be for a short time, don't you think? In expectation the grandparents would be home shortly?

If the sister was called to sit, I believe Sandra was already drugged, in the suitcase & the suitcase was in the car (possibly suffocation as COD?). All a rouse, and yes as cold an act as could be, calling Sandra's sister to babysit.

I just had the worse feeling after reading your post what if she didnt kill her at all but put her in the suite case alive and then went and dumped it omg a awful thought but that just hit me. Didnt mean youer post was bad just got me to thinking.

[interested]

I still don't see what that link has to do with those involved in this case...

JMO..

I believe that was exactly what CC was questioning. Would any of the 60 names match up with this case?

The LEO's made the information public in connection with the search for Sandra.

Unless and until they actually have enough evidence to charge those people with a crime, I doubt we'll ever know their names.

[lune3]

What boggles my mind too is that the relative (Aunt Joni?) stated that MH was a great and loving mother. If she wasn't, I'd think the relative wouldn't have said that.
Then you never know what goes on behind closed doors.

[aproudmom]

no wonder i've been so dang confused about this!

i need a nap right now...will be back later!

I know me to I think alot is just bad reporting..I hope u get a nap..and rest your brain..lol

[FrankieBones1]

What boggles my mind too is that the relative (Aunt Joni?) stated that MH was a great and loving mother. If she wasn't, I'd think the relative wouldn't have said that.
Then you never know what goes on behind closed doors.Relatives usually say things like that, don't they? Didn't Cindy go on and on about how great a mom Casey was?

Aunt Joni comes off as a very nice and smart lady but then again, she didn't live with Melissa. I wonder if Aunt Joni even knew about the thefts and lies.

[MoonFlwr]

What boggles my mind too is that the relative (Aunt Joni?) stated that MH was a great and loving mother. If she wasn't, I'd think the relative wouldn't have said that.
Then you never know what goes on behind closed doors.

Yes, lune3, I was wondering about that, too!

The family came across as nice people who are just shocked at what happened.
I wonder if any family would say anything different to the media, though, in such a scenario. ANY mention of negativity would be seized by the press and absolutely run with...so, I am not sure if they had any option other than to say that!?
(not saying she isn't a great mum...just wondering how many options there are to such a question, given the forum).

[titanfan217]

I'm thinking she has a mental illness...perhaps schizophrenia or something else....I am sure at trial her medical and psych records..to an extent will be disclosed as part of her defense strategy.

Quite possibly especially since there was a question whether she was mentally able to stand trial for a theft from Target.

[kitty1182]

Since I'm only about 50 miles from Tracy, it's even more alarming!!!

Wow, no kidding........

[titanfan217]

Yes, you're right. :smile: But it could also be, maybe because he doesn't want to have anything to do with MH.

Sad but true.