Sandra Cantu Saturay 4/11/09 #2[Teacher Arrested]

[StickyBeak]

Thought I'd start another Thread per CW request not to go over 1000.

Light a Candle for Sandra -

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

[dinojen]

Just a heads up about KRON's broadcast tonite at 5. PST.

KRON 4 will have complete coverage during the 5:00 p.m. news. We will also broadcast a special report on the developments in this case Saturday evening between 7:00 and 8:00. KRON 4's Kimberlee Sakamoto will live blog during that same time right here on KRON4.com

http://www.kron.com/

[ginky41]

O/T: last night there was a thread started for Tori (Victoria) Stafford, a missing girl in Canada....now I can't find it. Anyone have a link?

[Barbara2]

O/T: last night there was a thread started for Tori (Victoria) Stafford, a missing girl in Canada....now I can't find it. Anyone have a link?

The Amber Alerts/Missing thread stays open even on holidays:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=351734

[ginky41]

the amber alerts/missing thread stays open even on holidays:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=351734

ty.........

[MOM0F4]

could this be what happened... Melissa had a secret something she didn't want out the door. She tought Sandra knew but wasn't sure, she questioned her that day and realized she knew to much. So she tought of killing her I mean this woman is on drugs. Could this secret have something to do with the caretaker of the church maybe an affair he is married. He seemed to be covering up for someone.

[kitty1182]

Thanks for the new thread.....

[ginky41]

could this be what happened... Melissa had a secret something she didn't want out the door. She tought Sandra knew but wasn't sure, she questioned her that day and realized she knew to much. So she tought of killing her I mean this woman is on drugs. Could this secret have something to do with the caretaker of the church maybe an affair he is married. He seemed to be covering up for someone.


Have there been any confirmed reports that she is on drugs?

[oodi]

could this be what happened... Melissa had a secret something she didn't want out the door. She tought Sandra knew but wasn't sure, she questioned her that day and realized she knew to much. So she tought of killing her I mean this woman is on drugs. Could this secret have something to do with the caretaker of the church maybe an affair he is married. He seemed to be covering up for someone.

Given that this is someone who would kill a child, God only knows what her reasoning was. I'm sure it was nothing that any of us would be able to fathom.

[AmndaRcknwth]

To answer someone on the first thread, yes... the suitcase had wheels.

Large rolling suitcase.

[StickyBeak]

Thanks for the new thread.....

YVW, Miss Kitty, I am so behind just saw over 1000 and had panic attack we would be closed down. I need to go back and check out some good info I missed. Bring it on over it you find any.
O/T Hope Mom went nite nite, LOL:laugh: Though we need her.

[dinojen]

New article on Tracy Press...

Police said they found the spot where Huckaby allegedly killed the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader who used to play with Huckaby’s own daughter, but they refused to disclose the location.

There are no other suspects and no more arrests are expected, said police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

The suspect never once mentioned a motive in the course of her interview with investigators earlier this morning. Police said at one point she asked for an attorney but then changed her mind and kept talking to detectives. She was read her rights twice, Sheneman said.

“I can’t begin to theorize what her motive was,” said Sheneman today, at times fighting back emotion. “Sandra was a very close friend with her daughter.”

When asked what the family's reaction was to Huckaby's arrest, he answered, "Disbelief."

Police had since Monday tried to pin down Sandra’s killer. They interviewed everyone in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Sandra lived with her grandparents, mother and siblings. Huckaby lived there, too, with her daughter and grandparents just five doors down from Sandra’s house.

Police served several search warrants, towed cars, questioned hundreds of people and never named a suspect — until Friday night’s arrest. Huckaby’s grandparents run a church down the street from the park, where Huckaby said she had taught Sunday school for six months.

She flatly denied she had a criminal record, despite court papers showing she was due in court for sentencing after pleading no contest to a felony burglary/robbery and a misdemeanor petty theft. She also denied having graduated from West High School in 1998, despite school district records that say she did.

Court papers also show that two psychiatrists had to interview Huckaby to see if she was fit to stand trial on charges that she stole from Target last November. The deemed her fit for trial. She spent some time in 2006 behind bars in Los Angeles County for property theft, court papers show, yet she denied that, too.

In an interview with police that began at 7 p.m. and ended with her arrest at 11:55 p.m. Friday, she shared details about Sandra’s disappearance and subsequent murder that gave cops probable cause to arrest her shortly before midnight Friday, Sheneman said.

She blatantly lied to the few reporters she talked to Friday, he said earlier. That’s what led to the extra scrutiny.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article--Disbelief-%20=&page_label=home&id=2303626--Disbelief-&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

[KKKKKKatie]

I wonder if Sandra had teased or upset Melissa's daughter in some way and that is what set her off?

This is driving me crazy! :scared:

[akelly1999]

What could possibly be the motive for this woman to kill a little 8 yr. old girl? Did the little girl know something about her that the woman didn't want to get out or was the motive sexual? What do you think?
I'm beyond comprehending this killing. JMO

[sunstar]

I wonder if Sandra had teased or upset Melissa's daughter in some way and that is what set her off?

This is driving me crazy! :scared:

I'm thinking drugs and possibly child porn. :mad: MOO

[VC2]

What could possibly be the motive for this woman to kill a little 8 yr. old girl? Did the little girl know something about her that the woman didn't want to get out or was the motive sexual? What do you think?
I'm beyond comprehending this killing. JMO

there are some ppl who get sexual gratification purely through the act of killing itself too. Not necessarily any sexual act as we know of it.

[*Serenity*]

New article on Tracy Press...

Police said they found the spot where Huckaby allegedly killed the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader who used to play with Huckaby’s own daughter, but they refused to disclose the location.

There are no other suspects and no more arrests are expected, said police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

The suspect never once mentioned a motive in the course of her interview with investigators earlier this morning. Police said at one point she asked for an attorney but then changed her mind and kept talking to detectives. She was read her rights twice, Sheneman said.

“I can’t begin to theorize what her motive was,” said Sheneman today, at times fighting back emotion. “Sandra was a very close friend with her daughter.”

When asked what the family's reaction was to Huckaby's arrest, he answered, "Disbelief."

Police had since Monday tried to pin down Sandra’s killer. They interviewed everyone in Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Sandra lived with her grandparents, mother and siblings. Huckaby lived there, too, with her daughter and grandparents just five doors down from Sandra’s house.

Police served several search warrants, towed cars, questioned hundreds of people and never named a suspect — until Friday night’s arrest. Huckaby’s grandparents run a church down the street from the park, where Huckaby said she had taught Sunday school for six months.

She flatly denied she had a criminal record, despite court papers showing she was due in court for sentencing after pleading no contest to a felony burglary/robbery and a misdemeanor petty theft. She also denied having graduated from West High School in 1998, despite school district records that say she did.

Court papers also show that two psychiatrists had to interview Huckaby to see if she was fit to stand trial on charges that she stole from Target last November. The deemed her fit for trial. She spent some time in 2006 behind bars in Los Angeles County for property theft, court papers show, yet she denied that, too.

In an interview with police that began at 7 p.m. and ended with her arrest at 11:55 p.m. Friday, she shared details about Sandra’s disappearance and subsequent murder that gave cops probable cause to arrest her shortly before midnight Friday, Sheneman said.

She blatantly lied to the few reporters she talked to Friday, he said earlier. That’s what led to the extra scrutiny.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article--Disbelief-%20=&page_label=home&id=2303626--Disbelief-&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


Casey Anthony's Twin Sister..........!!
Casey stuffed Caylee in a laundry tote bag and then double garbage bags, while this murderer stuffed Sandra in a luggage bag. Both dumped the girls in places hoping they would never be found.

Both of them (Casey and Melissa are dirt bags) Oh --what scum that walks amongst us and our children. I am still waiting for news about Haleigh and will never forget Little Trenton.

[Barbara2]

I'm thinking drugs and possibly child porn. :mad: MOO

I don't like thinking it but I'm thinking the same thing.

[Keno]

Melissa likes to zone out according to her classmates profile. I just went over there to see if she posted anything on herself.

Eeek, she went to West High School which freaked me out because I did as well but I went to a West High in another city in Southern California.

[VC2]

the more i think of the PIO saying the fbi behavioral science ppl want to come down and interview her bc of the uniquenss of a woman as the perp...more i think there is something very strange about the COD and the evidence that points to a bizarre crime -i.e. not mad at sandra for something she said to her daughter etc.

Many women have killed children including those not their own. They aren't interested in accidents -even if its an overdose therefore murder, thats not unique, they aren't interested something more typical like a boyfriends child. Possible sexual motivation or the cause of death was so different they want to get a handle on her for their profiles in future cases.

imo

eta and i hope they go back to every unsolved child disappearance in places this woman has lived. I am not so sure its the first time

[sunstar]

the more i think of the PIO saying the fbi behavioral science ppl want to come down and interview her bc of the uniquenss of a woman as the perp...more i think there is something very strange about the COD and the evidence that points to a bizarre crime -i.e. not mad at sandra for something she said to her daughter etc.

Many women have killed children including those not their own. They aren't interested in accidents -even if its an overdose therefore murder, thats not unique, they aren't interested something more typical like a boyfriends child. Possible sexual motivation or the cause of death was so different they want to get a handle on her for their profiles in future cases.

imo

eta and i hope they go back to every unsolved child disappearance in places this woman has lived. I am not so sure its the first time
I certainly hope too that the FBI can interview and profile her. I also think there may be more victims than just Sandra. :sad: MOO

[Ice Cycle]

Wondering where everyone went, not to fast in seeing the big letters. Ha
Don't know how to quote this over so I just copied it.

Originally Posted by MrLucky917B
Since lenny is right up the road do you think he will try and bail her out

Just was able to get back on and saw this- lets hope not but I bet he does already have it figured out for the 10th time.

[ortiga]

A couple of hours ago I posted the article that said that Sandra and her sisters had wanted to go to the church to a movie, but they didn't have enough money, and then Sandra went off herself to visit a friend.

Does anyone know if it was the same church as the Lawless one?

Who invited the girls to the movie?

What movie?

Was that when she went to the MH house?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Huckaby is being held without bail at San Joaquin County Jail, and is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday.

She is on suicide watch in an observation cell away from other inmates for her own safety, though there have been no incidents, said sheriff's Deputy Les Garcia. Huckaby is refusing visits, he said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/11/state/n031600D34.DTL

So, that answers that.

I am guessing her hospital stay this week was a suicide attempt.




From the same article:

Huckaby worked as a checker at a Food for Less grocery store in a strip mall just east of the mobile park for nearly four years, until she was fired sometime in 2004, said Matt Duncan, an assistant manager at the store now known as FoodMaxx.

"I wouldn't have anything bad to say about her, until now," said Duncan, who has worked at the store off-and-on for about 10 years. "I would've never suspected her to do something like this."


So, what was she doing for income besides teaching SS?

[Lady_Jean_La]

I certainly hope too that the FBI can interview and profile her. I also think there may be more victims than just Sandra. :sad: MOOOMG I hope not.

[*Serenity*]

Huckaby is being held without bail at San Joaquin County Jail, and is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday.

She is on suicide watch in an observation cell away from other inmates for her own safety, though there have been no incidents, said sheriff's Deputy Les Garcia. Huckaby is refusing visits, he said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/11/state/n031600D34.DTL

So, that answers that.

I am guessing her hospital stay this week was a suicide attempt.


They put a lot of them on the same watch without any previous attempts. I recall S.Peterson's watch because the outfit he had to wear was so fitting for him. IIRC Casey was placed on the same watch and she was left with only a blanket in her dorm bed.

[MOM0F4]

Huckaby is being held without bail at San Joaquin County Jail, and is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday.

She is on suicide watch in an observation cell away from other inmates for her own safety, though there have been no incidents, said sheriff's Deputy Les Garcia. Huckaby is refusing visits, he said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/11/state/n031600D34.DTL

So, that answers that.

I am guessing her hospital stay this week was a suicide attempt.

she better not comit suicide:cursing: she took this little girl's life, all her future, provably all of their family's too. And she takes the first exit. OH no she needs to stay in jail for some time pay for what she has done.

[nana6]

Hi everyone, I have been so out of the loop today. I woke up and heard this horrible story and had to leave the house until now. What can any of you tell me? Is there a s hort version to this mess so you do not have to repeat yourselves with a whole long story? I would appreciate anything you can fill me in with. Thank you, Nana

[Adalena935]

Is Melissa Huckaby's actual booking document available online yet? If so could someone please post me the link to it? TIA

Also, if not available yet, could someone please give me a link to the actual California code violations she's been charged with? It would be much appreciated.

I've looked all over the place for it, seen people discussing it on the other thread, looked for it in the other thread but to no avail. Can't find anything in these long threads. :sad:

[dinojen]

Hi everyone, I have been so out of the loop today. I woke up and heard this horrible story and had to leave the house until now. What can any of you tell me? Is there a s hort version to this mess so you do not have to repeat yourselves with a whole long story? I would appreciate anything you can fill me in with. Thank you, Nana

http://www.kcra.com/news/19155177/detail.html


video link of this mornings pc also

[Adalena935]

They put a lot of them on the same watch without any previous attempts. I recall S.Peterson's watch because the outfit he had to wear was so fitting for him. IIRC Casey was placed on the same watch and she was left with only a blanket in her dorm bed.

I do think it's pretty standard. It's because of the severity of the charges I think. Do you have her booking data by chance?

[baywench]

I wonder if Sandra had teased or upset Melissa's daughter in some way and that is what set her off?

This is driving me crazy! :scared:

She is metally unbalanced. There is NO good reason to kill a child...none, ever. Whatever her "motive" was it will never make sense to us or make us feel better. She is a monster. I don't need to understand her, I just need to know she is in custody and that she will never do this again. The hardest thing for me is knowing that nothing she says will make me less afraid for our children. jmo

[nana6]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19155177/detail.html


video link of this mornings pc also

thank you so much for the info. What a awful sad story. This poor little angel:sad:

[doctor_J]

They had better watch her like a hawk. She undoubtably has not only more info to reveal on Sandra, but other "skeltons" in her closet. You don't usually see anyone jump from shoplifting to child murder, people usually work their way up the crime chain. Of course she could be the exception. Casey was different, it was her child, who was interfering with her life, pretty commom motive. Suicide would be diasterous, in my view, at this early stage.

[sunstar]

OMG I hope not.

I hope not too, but I do think it's possible. :sad: MOO

[Keno]

Little Sandra was such a beautiful little girl. Just makes you so angry to think someone could snuff the life out of another human being. What was this Melissa thinking? I know she is innocent, until proven guilty, but my gosh, what would make her kill this child? Hard to understand these young women who are killing. It's hard enough to figure anyone out who kills but...this is tough.

[*Serenity*]

I do think it's pretty standard. It's because of the severity of the charges I think. Do you have her booking data by chance?

I believe it was posted on the other thread when everyone was trying to figure out her middle name. I am so in/out of here that I do not save links. So Sorry.

[sunstar]

Not that I have read, and I wish (especially tomorrow being Easter) the accused murderer would not be referred to as a Sunday School teacher, it's becomming offensive to Sandra's memory. I do not believe she was 1. Sandra was murdererd by a 28 yr. old female, with a police record, not a Sunday School teacher. JMO

I completely agree with you.

[Destini]

Is Melissa Huckaby's actual booking document available online yet? If so could someone please post me the link to it? TIA

Also, if not available yet, could someone please give me a link to the actual California code violations she's been charged with? It would be much appreciated.

I've looked all over the place for it, seen people discussing it on the other thread, looked for it in the other thread but to no avail. Can't find anything in these long threads. :sad:

Is this what you need, Adalena?

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

[sunstar]

They had better watch her like a hawk. She undoubtably has not only more info to reveal on Sandra, but other "skeltons" in her closet. You don't usually see anyone jump from shoplifting to child murder, people usually work their way up the crime chain. Of course she could be the exception. Casey was different, it was her child, who was interfering with her life, pretty commom motive. Suicide would be diasterous, in my view, at this early stage.

I think this is what's hard to comprehend. It might be easier if it were her own child who she killed, but why Sandra, who was no relation?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Is Melissa Huckaby's actual booking document available online yet? If so could someone please post me the link to it? TIA

Also, if not available yet, could someone please give me a link to the actual California code violations she's been charged with? It would be much appreciated.

I've looked all over the place for it, seen people discussing it on the other thread, looked for it in the other thread but to no avail. Can't find anything in these long threads. :sad:

This is the copy I saved, from the San Joaquin site (sorry I did not save the link)

ooops here is the saved thing:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/012.jpg

[*MoonRider*]

To answer someone on the first thread, yes... the suitcase had wheels.

Large rolling suitcase.


TY, that makes more sense to me now.

[dinojen]

I do think it's pretty standard. It's because of the severity of the charges I think. Do you have her booking data by chance?


Home Search By Name List Inmates by Last Name Recent Bookings FAQs

All charges and bails shown for arrested/in custody persons represent the most recent information known to the Sheriff's Department. As individuals move through the judicial process, charges and bail amounts may change.

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Inmate Information

Inmate Detail





Inmate Name: HUCKABY, MELISSA

Aliases: HUCKABY, MELISSA CHANTEL

Booking Number: 09-09082

Date of Birth: 02/23/1981

Gender: Female

Height: 5'03"

Weight: 125

Visiting: 24 Hour Lobby Visiting

Mailing Address:

Mailing Information HUCKABY, MELISSA / 09-09082

San Joaquin County Jail

999 West Mathews Road

French Camp, CA 95231

Booking Date/Time: 04/11/2009 at 03:25 AM

Projected Release Date: None

Arresting Agency: TRACY POLICE DEPARTMENT

Type of Arrest:

Charges/Bail: Case# Pending (00) - No Bail

PC 187 Felony

MURDER

PC 187(A) Felony

MURDER

PC 207(A) Felony

KIDNAPPING





Total Bail: Bail not Allowed

Next Court Date: 04/14/2009 at 01:30 PM

Court Location & Department: Manteca Branch Department: I

[kitty1182]

I do think it's pretty standard. It's because of the severity of the charges I think. Do you have her booking data by chance?

I found this..

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

[AmndaRcknwth]

*Bolded for reference*

maybe making and selling child pornography?

That is what I was wondering. I hope not.

[Adalena935]

Wondering where everyone went, not to fast in seeing the big letters. Ha
Don't know how to quote this over so I just copied it.

Originally Posted by MrLucky917B
Since lenny is right up the road do you think he will try and bail her out

Just was able to get back on and saw this- lets hope not but I bet he does already have it figured out for the 10th time.

There is no bail.

[MrLucky917B]

Is Melissa Huckaby's actual booking document available online yet? If so could someone please post me the link to it? TIA

Also, if not available yet, could someone please give me a link to the actual California code violations she's been charged with? It would be much appreciated.

I've looked all over the place for it, seen people discussing it on the other thread, looked for it in the other thread but to no avail. Can't find anything in these long threads. :sad:

There it is

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

[Adalena935]

That is what I was wondering. I hope not.

That's what I'm wondering too. It's very rare they say, but there are women SO's. Maybe she's one of those. Who knows. My husband said she looks like a man. ETA: It wouldn't surprise me to learn she had been making and selling child porn.

[sunstar]

*Bolded for reference*

maybe making and selling child pornography?

My thoughts also.

[Adalena935]

There it is

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

Thank you so much MrLucky!

[AmndaRcknwth]

Thanks for the link everyone.

btw, anyone is welcome to look at the photos and use them elsewhere, I saved a couple hundred pics from wherever I could find them.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/

[5boxersmom]

While getting things ready for tomorrow I was thinking about MH's little girl. How sad for her. Not only has she lost a friend but her mother also. And to have to grow up knowing your mom killed your friend. Poor little thing.

I feel so bad for her and Sandra's family.

imo

[bama__angel]

She is metally unbalanced. There is NO good reason to kill a child...none, ever. Whatever her "motive" was it will never make sense to us or make us feel better. She is a monster. I don't need to understand her, I just need to know she is in custody and that she will never do this again. The hardest thing for me is knowing that nothing she says will make me less afraid for our children. jmo


You are so right!!!!!!!! She is a monster....she can never ever be fixed.....And people who are not monsters will never ever understand....We never will.....

[Keno]

Not that I have read, and I wish (especially tomorrow being Easter) the accused murderer would not be referred to as a Sunday School teacher, it's becomming offensive to Sandra's memory. I do not believe she was 1. Sandra was murdererd by a 28 yr. old female, with a police record, not a Sunday School teacher. JMO

I wholeheartedly agree with you Snazzy -

[Adalena935]

MrLucky, Kitty, dinojen, AmndaRcknwth, Destini, Serenity I appreciate your reply even if you didn’t have the link. You're very kind to give me the link. I want to look up the actual penal code. :wub:

[daHawg]

MrLucky, Kitty, dinojen, AmndaRcknwth, Destini, Serenity I appreciate your reply even if you didn’t have the link. You're very kind to give me the link. I want to look up the actual penal code. :wub:

Here is the CA penal codes.....is this what you are looking for?
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen.html

[dinojen]

Not defending this woman of what she did... but all the speculation about child porn and sexual abuse is just that speculation.

This suspect is 28 years old and has nothing in her history that has been made available to even suggest that is what this case is about.

All we know right now is.. she is being charged with Sandra's murder..and is under arrest.

I think a deep breath is needed and wait for more information from LE before labeling this woman with a title of being a sexual predator or involved in a porn ring. It's bad enough she did what she did..

JMHO..

[LILMANMAX]

I'm doing the sneaky here at work.
This is my 2 cents.
I still believe someone else assisted at least with the disposal.
Too much BS going on with the suitcase, the keys, the phone, etc.
This broad is not the sharpest knive in the drawer and could never have done all this alone. Plus you know she has some CRAZY BF somewhere.

Do not believe it one bit.
Still not convinced some other evil madness going on here.
The police are not spilling all the beans.
I may be wrong
Would not be the first time by any means
Just too much WEIRDNESS around this place for my old bones to take or buy. JMHO

I'll jump on again when I get off after 8PM.

Later :wink:

[airportwoman]

Have there been any confirmed reports that she is on drugs?

Just a week or two ago, she was hospitalized because of a drug overdose, believed to have been a suicide attempt.

I really wasn't following this case all too closely until it was announced that the primary suspect was a woman who apparently acted alone.

:rose: for Sandra and any other victims of this monster named Melissa.

Edit: Assuming, of course, that she's guilty of this.

[airportwoman]

I certainly hope too that the FBI can interview and profile her. I also think there may be more victims than just Sandra. :sad: MOO

They also need to find out if she has given birth to any other children, and if so, what happened to them.

[oodi]

Not defending this woman of what she did... but all the speculation about child porn and sexual abuse is just that speculation.

This suspect is 28 years old and has nothing in her history that has been made available to even suggest that is what this case is about.

All we know right now is.. she is being charged with Sandra's murder..and is under arrest.

I think a deep breath is needed and wait for more information from LE before labeling this woman with a title of being a sexual predator or involved in a porn ring. It's bad enough she did what she did..

JMHO..

I agree. And the fact that the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit is so interested, tells me that there is something more here that we don't know about yet, and as per Sgt. Sheneman, info that won't be available until trial.

[shadowdiana]

Just a week or two ago, she was hospitalized because of a drug overdose, believed to have been a suicide attempt.

I really wasn't following this case all too closely until it was announced that the primary suspect was a woman who apparently acted alone.

:rose: for Sandra and any other victims of this monster named Melissa.

I have heard that as rumor...do you have a link that can confirm this?
There has been nothing released so far concerning her medical records...(which would be illegal unless supoenaed in any case)

[FrankieBones1]

Not that I have read, and I wish (especially tomorrow being Easter) the accused murderer would not be referred to as a Sunday School teacher, it's becomming offensive to Sandra's memory. I do not believe she was 1. Sandra was murdererd by a 28 yr. old female, with a police record, not a Sunday School teacher. JMO
On the last thread, post number 830 had a link to an interesting site.
If it is true, Melissa Huckaby wasn't a Sunday school teacher at all and she didn't attend that church.

[sunstar]

While getting things ready for tomorrow I was thinking about MH's little girl. How sad for her. Not only has she lost a friend but her mother also. And to have to grow up knowing your mom killed your friend. Poor little thing.

I feel so bad for her and Sandra's family.

imo

At least she's still alive and has family around. I haven't heard anything about her dad or where he is. Hopefully he's a part of her life. :sad:

[airportwoman]

Not defending this woman of what she did... but all the speculation about child porn and sexual abuse is just that speculation.

This suspect is 28 years old and has nothing in her history that has been made available to even suggest that is what this case is about.

All we know right now is.. she is being charged with Sandra's murder..and is under arrest.

I think a deep breath is needed and wait for more information from LE before labeling this woman with a title of being a sexual predator or involved in a porn ring. It's bad enough she did what she did..

JMHO..

You're right, and she hasn't even been convicted yet.

But SOMEONE killed Sandra, and we need to find out who.

[baywench]

Not defending this woman of what she did... but all the speculation about child porn and sexual abuse is just that speculation.

This suspect is 28 years old and has nothing in her history that has been made available to even suggest that is what this case is about.

All we know right now is.. she is being charged with Sandra's murder..and is under arrest.

I think a deep breath is needed and wait for more information from LE before labeling this woman with a title of being a sexual predator or involved in a porn ring. It's bad enough she did what she did..

JMHO..

Great post...beautifully said. jmo

[dinojen]

At least she's still alive and has family around. I haven't heard anything about her dad or where he is. Hopefully he's a part of her life. :sad:

Her father is also a minister of sorts.. read it in one of the many links supplied today, I believe her uncle is also... in the So. CA. area and has nothing to do with her grandfather's church.

[baywench]

You're right, and she hasn't even been convicted yet.

But SOMEONE killed Sandra, and we need to find out who.


I'm sure she killed her...I am just not ready to believe she is a serial killer or a sexual predator. jmo

[airportwoman]

I'm sure she killed her...I am just not ready to believe she is a serial killer or a sexual predator. jmo

Once again assuming she's guilty, this whole thing reminds me of BTK - Dennis Rader, the church president and family man who killed at least 10 people. If she is indeed the perpetrator, good thing she was caught early.

[sunstar]

Her father is also a minister of sorts.. read it in one of the many links supplied today, I believe her uncle is also... in the So. CA. area and has nothing to do with her grandfather's church.

thanks so much! :smile: I'm still trying to weed through the articles while watching the Masters.

[GentleBreeze]

To answer someone on the first thread, yes... the suitcase had wheels.

Large rolling suitcase.

Yes, even MH said that luggage was "huge" so it most have been the over sized bag.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I agree. And the fact that the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit is so interested, tells me that there is something more here that we don't know about yet, and as per Sgt. Sheneman, info that won't be available until trial.

I definitely think the FBI profilers are wanting to know what makes this particular woman tick.

imo

[dinojen]

thanks so much! :smile: I'm still trying to weed through the articles while watching the Masters.
I'm multi-tasking.. thank god it's over...lol.. going to be great tomorrow.

Keep googling her father's name.. and can't find the dang link that talked about his ministry.. he doesn't have his own church I don't think just is an assistant minister or something in the So. Ca area.. will keep looking.

[sunstar]

I'm multi-tasking.. thank god it's over...lol.. going to be great tomorrow.

Keep googling her father's name.. and can't find the dang link that talked about his ministry.. he doesn't have his own church I don't think just is an assistant minister or something in the So. Ca area.. will keep looking.

I meant MH's daughter's dad. I don't know what his name is. :smile:


Fox News is talking about the arrest now.

[cherylt]

While getting things ready for tomorrow I was thinking about MH's little girl. How sad for her. Not only has she lost a friend but her mother also. And to have to grow up knowing your mom killed your friend. Poor little thing.

I feel so bad for her and Sandra's family.

imo


So true...I wonder if she killed SC while her own kid was in the room, maybe in a rage? Maybe they were doing something and she told them not to and she accidentally killed her (ex, pushed her down the stairs)? I have no idea like all of you, but I can't believe the killer turned out to be a woman who is NOT a family member. What possible reason to hurt this beautiful little girl?

Just last night, Pat Brown (criminal profiler) said "he" as a default pronoun and Vinnie Politan questioned "he"? I mean it was almost a GIVEN it would be a male sex offender, even if he didn't rape her. This is definitely one that stands out; I can see why, (if not some kind of rage or accident) the FBI would want to interview her...

When I saw the news today for the 1st time, I actually had to stop; pause the tv; and let it soak in it was a woman. I guess I shouldn't be so surprised because there are so many sickos out there, but really, what are the ODDS that it would be a woman who is a friend's mother?

Poor Sandra and family. Her poor mother, I can't imagine... :rose:

[Adalena935]

Here is the CA penal codes.....is this what you are looking for?
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen.html

Oh thank you Hawg. I did find the CA code for the charges but I thank you for your kindness. It's felony murder and felony kidnapping. Together they are special circumstances I think. One main reason I hope she gets the death penalty is not because I think they'll ever carry it out (most likely not), but because if she's not on death row she more than likely will get out one day due to her young age now. California's life without parole reads life without parole for 25 years. That means that after 25 years she will be eligible for parole. I don't want her ever to walk free again. She's waived her right to walk among reasonable society. If she's found guilty.

She's 28 now, life without parole for 25 yrs means she'd be eligible for parole when she's 53 and then we'd have to put up with begging parole boards to keep her locked up. Same as with that monster Leslie Van Houten all these years. At one time they gave her parole hearings 1 yr apart and it's supposed to be 5 yrs apart if that isn't rich. They need to lock them up and pipe daylight to them but they won't. Parole boards turn them lose to reign their evil back on society again and again.

[daHawg]

Oh thank you Hawg. I did find the CA code for the charges but I thank you for your kindness. It's felony murder and felony kidnapping. Together they are special circumstances I think. One main reason I hope she gets the death penalty is not because I think they'll ever carry it out (most likely not), but because if she's not on death row she more than likely will get out one day due to her young age now. California's life without parole reads life without parole for 25 years. That means that after 25 years she will be eligible for parole. I don't want her ever to walk free again. She's waived her right to walk among reasonable society. If she's found guilty.

She's 28 now, life without parole for 25 yrs means she'd be eligible for parole when she's 53 and then we'd have to put up with begging parole boards to keep her locked up. Same as with that monster Leslie Van Houten all these years. At one time they gave her parole hearings 1 yr apart and it's supposed to be 5 yrs apart if that isn't rich. They need to lock them up and pipe daylight to them but they won't. Parole boards turn them lose to reign their evil back on society again and again.
Wow I didn't know that. Boy LWOP in CA sure got screwed up. In my state LWOP means just that. No if ands or butts.

[Adalena935]

cherylt, When Sandra Cantu first vanished there were a few people on these boards bringing up Melissa Huckaby's name and speculating if she might be be the killer. You know how some people are so good at scouting out who's who in cases.

They found out she was the great grandaughter of Mr. & Mrs. Lawless and lived with them with her 5 yr old daughter. And they were actually speculating whether she might be the killer of Sandra Cantu.
As you can imagine not too many paid much attention to them at the time because it seemed such obscure information then. Turns out they were right.

And if anybody's wondering, yes I think a jury will probably find her guilty and I think she probably did this crime. Just my opinion.

[cherylt]

Oh thank you Hawg. I did find the CA code for the charges but I thank you for your kindness. It's felony murder and felony kidnapping. Together they are special circumstances I think. One main reason I hope she gets the death penalty is not because I think they'll ever carry it out (most likely not), but because if she's not on death row she more than likely will get out one day due to her young age now. California's life without parole reads life without parole for 25 years. That means that after 25 years she will be eligible for parole. I don't want her ever to walk free again. She's waived her right to walk among reasonable society. If she's found guilty.

She's 28 now, life without parole for 25 yrs means she'd be eligible for parole when she's 53 and then we'd have to put up with begging parole boards to keep her locked up. Same as with that monster Leslie Van Houten all these years. At one time they gave her parole hearings 1 yr apart and it's supposed to be 5 yrs apart if that isn't rich. They need to lock them up and pipe daylight to them but they won't. Parole boards turn them lose to reign their evil back on society again and again.


I hear what you're saying but I would think LWOP instead of DP because they don't carry out any DP's in CA. If she is on death row, she will get her own cell and be away from other prisoners. IF guilty she will be at the bottom of the "food chain" being a child killer and will not fare very well, which is just fine with me. If she is guilty, I don't ever see her getting out of jail anyway, and I would rather MH be in general pop than in some quiet, "cushy", corner of the jail...

JMO...

ETA - there is no true LWOP in the state? I just re-read your post...

[sunstar]

Wow I didn't know that. Boy LWOP in CA sure got screwed up. In my state LWOP means just that. No if ands or butts.

I'm shocked. I thought when the Menendez brothers (as an example) were sentenced, it meant they'd be in prison for the rest of their lives. :confused:

[cherylt]

cherylt, When Sandra Cantu first vanished there were a few people on these boards bringing up Melissa Huckaby's name and speculating if she might be be the killer. You know how some people are so good at scouting out who's who in cases.

They found out she was the great grandaughter of Mr. & Mrs. Lawless and lived with them with her 5 yr old daughter. And they were actually speculating whether she might be the killer of Sandra Cantu.
As you can imagine not too many paid much attention to them at the time because it seemed such obscure information then. Turns out they were right.

And if anybody's wondering, yes I think a jury will probably find her guilty and I think she probably did this crime. Just my opinion.


WOW - I was on the Phil Spector forum while that was discussed. (Futile effort, I know...) Whoever named MH has good instincts, eh? :)
Her ID didn't make the news in my part of the country... (NJ) So I only rec'd the info doled out via tv, but I am going to watch the PC on KRON, if it's still there.

I live in NJ, so I only get to hear what HLN or NG says about the case and I can read a few articles but really haven't done that until today...

Thanks for the info!!

[Sketti]

Been following this board for a while, just thought I would unlurk and say hi and throw in what I am thinking.

I also think there may be some porn or sexual abuse going on.

Two things that strike me is the account she gave to a reporter over the phone about the suitcase AND about that other child that supposedly was at the "park" with her a couple months ago and the mother thought she was missing. I think that child was elswhere with her (I also think the mother would have checked the park before calling the police if her child was there three times that week as Melissa says). This is the link to her account:

http://www.cbs13.com/video/?id=51887@kovr.dayport.com

She sounds eerily like Casey anthony with her voice intonations. Anyway she gives this long story about taking this other child to the park, and the mother apparently didn't know and called the police, and she brought her back home when her grandmother told her they were looking for this other girl. And then it cuts off when she talks about the police coming to her house at 2:00 Am on the day she took the other child to the park.

Then see this video: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Woman_Questioned_in_Tracy_Kidnapping_Speaks_Bay_Ar ea.html

In this one, another reporter reports asking her on the phone about the incident with this other child at the park and the drugging of the child and apparently Melissa says the police questioned her late that night about that child (the one she took to the "park" that day) having narcotics in their system. (it is towards the very end of this video).

This just seems odd, and it doesn't seem like she would make this up (being questioned by police in this other case.) I think something happened with this other child like porn, molestation, pictures, etc.

Just my own opinion and all that.

[daHawg]

I'm shocked. I thought when the Menendez brothers (as an example) were sentenced, it meant they'd be in prison for the rest of their lives. :confused:

Me too! But and I really hate to say it.....it's CA. :sad:

[oodi]

Yes, even MH said that luggage was "huge" so it most have been the over sized bag.

imo

I had heard that it was an Eddie Bauer rolling bag. If that is correct, I have a set. The rolling bag is more like a huge duffel bag... probably 4 feet long by 2 feet high by 2 feet wide.

[Adalena935]

Wow I didn't know that. Boy LWOP in CA sure got screwed up. In my state LWOP means just that. No if ands or butts.

It's always read like that in CA. That's why it drives me crazy when people think life in CA is actually life. It's not and never has been. IF they would keep them locked up I would personally have no problem waiving the DP altogether. But they won't keep them locked up. And that's the only reason I favor the death penalty. They rarely if ever execute them in CA anyway. More die of old age or illness on death row than execution. There's stats but I don't feel like looking them up. There's a moratorium more or less on DP nationwide anyway right now that looks as if it may never get lifted in our lifetimes.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/187-199.html

190. (a) Every person guilty of murder in the first degree shall be punished by death, imprisonment in the state prison for life without the possibility of parole, or imprisonment in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life.

For the 50 yrs I've been following true crime it's always been like that altho I don't know when the legislation was written.

[cherylt]

Can you imagine being the grandfather/pastor? FGS! I'm sure he must feel humiliated and angry and duped! Or, maybe he had some "inkling" but his conscious wouldn't let him go there. I think we all knew something about the church was going to be involved. But I was leaning towards some male church worker with access (maybe janitor or something like that).

Has MH's mother (grandparent's daughter) been in the local news at all or does she not live in that community? TIA!

[5boxersmom]

I had heard that it was an Eddie Bauer rolling bag. If that is correct, I have a set. The rolling bag is more like a huge duffel bag... probably 4 feet long by 2 feet high by 2 feet wide.

Is it like one of these oodi?

http://www.bargainist.com/deals/images/2009/02/Eddie-Bauer-Rolling-Luggage.jpeg

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/EddieBauer/EB07IU_0231438_717C1%3F%24category%24&imgrefurl=http://www.eddiebauer.com/EB/Bags--Gear/Luggage--Duffels/index.cat&usg=__1sYZ5VLk0YDvMXfBh1TLY5BldRo=&h=285&w=190&sz=8&hl=en&start=31&tbnid=kmKOYvPBph9I3M:&tbnh=115&tbnw=77&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Bbauer%2Bluggage%26gbv%3D2%26n dsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20

[Adalena935]

I had heard that it was an Eddie Bauer rolling bag. If that is correct, I have a set. The rolling bag is more like a huge duffel bag... probably 4 feet long by 2 feet high by 2 feet wide.

That's what it looked like to me; like the giant duffel bag types. I'm glas you mentioned that. I was wondering and had been looking at similar types.

[kitty1182]

Can you imagine being the grandfather/pastor? FGS! I'm sure he must feel humiliated and angry and duped! Or, maybe he had some "inkling" but his conscious wouldn't let him go there. I think we all knew something about the church was going to be involved. But I was leaning towards some male church worker with access (maybe janitor or something like that).

Has MH's mother (grandparent's daughter) been in the local news at all or does she not live in that community? TIA!

I haven't heard anything about her...:confused:

[kitty1182]

The memorial website,,


http://memorialwebsites.legacy.com/sandracantu/homepage.aspx

[dinojen]

I meant MH's daughter's dad. I don't know what his name is. :smile:


Fox News is talking about the arrest now.


Brian Lawless... that's MH's father.. Huckaby is her married name.. divorce is in progress supposedly read that somewhere googling today too.

Her mother's name is Judy Lawless

[oodi]

Is it like one of these oodi?

http://www.bargainist.com/deals/images/2009/02/Eddie-Bauer-Rolling-Luggage.jpeg

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/EddieBauer/EB07IU_0231438_717C1%3F%24category%24&imgrefurl=http://www.eddiebauer.com/EB/Bags--Gear/Luggage--Duffels/index.cat&usg=__1sYZ5VLk0YDvMXfBh1TLY5BldRo=&h=285&w=190&sz=8&hl=en&start=31&tbnid=kmKOYvPBph9I3M:&tbnh=115&tbnw=77&prev=/images%3Fq%3Deddie%2Bbauer%2Bluggage%26gbv%3D2%26n dsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20

Mine looks more like the first link you posted. From the live video I saw from KCRA's Live Copter 3, the bag looked a bit odd in shape, but I'm assuming that's because it had the body of an 8 year old girl in it.

[GentleBreeze]

cherylt, When Sandra Cantu first vanished there were a few people on these boards bringing up Melissa Huckaby's name and speculating if she might be be the killer. You know how some people are so good at scouting out who's who in cases.

They found out she was the great granddaughter of Mr. & Mrs. Lawless and lived with them with her 5 yr old daughter. And they were actually speculating whether she might be the killer of Sandra Cantu.
As you can imagine not too many paid much attention to them at the time because it seemed such obscure information then. Turns out they were right.

And if anybody's wondering, yes I think a jury will probably find her guilty and I think she probably did this crime. Just my opinion.

I agree, Adalena and long ago I put away the myth that women aren't capable of doing heinous crimes such as this one. I think they are just as capable and diabolical as any man.

We have seen woman get rid of bodies of full grown adults and discard them in other places away from the original crime scenes, so one woman surely could do so when disposing of a little girl who only weighed 45 pounds. Imo, she is the sole perpetrator.

We cannot rule any motive in or out that she may have had. In the last couple of years it seems we have seen the worst depravity in some women there is as we read about the children who have lost their lives by their hands. So some women are very capable of the most despicable crimes imaginable, just like this one.

So even though she may not fit the profile of who usually kidnaps and murders a child that is not her own, she certainly make her own mark and the FBI will try to learn why she has done the most reprehensible act there is.

imo

[sunstar]

It's always read like that in CA. That's why it drives me crazy when people think life in CA is actually life. It's not and never has been. IF they would keep them locked up I would personally have no problem waiving the DP altogether. But they won't keep them locked up. And that's the only reason I favor the death penalty. They rarely if ever execute them in CA anyway. More die of old age or illness on death row than execution. There's stats but I don't feel like looking them up. There's a moratorium more or less on DP nationwide anyway right now that looks as if it may never get lifted in our lifetimes.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/187-199.html

190. (a) Every person guilty of murder in the first degree shall be punished by death, imprisonment in the state prison for life without the possibility of parole, or imprisonment in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life.

For the 50 yrs I've been following true crime it's always been like that altho I don't know when the legislation was written.

But what about the first part ~ imprisonment in the state prison for life without the possibility of parole, before the "or" imprisonment in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life??? :confused:

[royals02]

I just went to the blink on crime website. Have you guys read that yet?? Fred Williams is on video placing that letter at the memorial site??
Fred Williams has a rap sheet posted on his fridge and owns a half million dollar home? Fred Williams is the caretaker to the 15 member church?
Has anyone seen his rap sheet?
Is it possible that LE said there probably wouldnt be any more arrests in this case cuz they didnt want to scare anyone off?
What do you guys think about this?

[dinojen]

cherylt, When Sandra Cantu first vanished there were a few people on these boards bringing up Melissa Huckaby's name and speculating if she might be be the killer. You know how some people are so good at scouting out who's who in cases.

They found out she was the great grandaughter of Mr. & Mrs. Lawless and lived with them with her 5 yr old daughter. And they were actually speculating whether she might be the killer of Sandra Cantu.
As you can imagine not too many paid much attention to them at the time because it seemed such obscure information then. Turns out they were right.

And if anybody's wondering, yes I think a jury will probably find her guilty and I think she probably did this crime. Just my opinion.

Slight correction... Melissa is their granddaughter. The Lawless's are her father's parents.. not her grandparents.

[Themis]

It's always read like that in CA. That's why it drives me crazy when people think life in CA is actually life. It's not and never has been. IF they would keep them locked up I would personally have no problem waiving the DP altogether. But they won't keep them locked up. And that's the only reason I favor the death penalty. They rarely if ever execute them in CA anyway. More die of old age or illness on death row than execution. There's stats but I don't feel like looking them up. There's a moratorium more or less on DP nationwide anyway right now that looks as if it may never get lifted in our lifetimes.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/187-199.html

190. (a) Every person guilty of murder in the first degree shall be punished by death, imprisonment in the state prison for life without the possibility of parole, or imprisonment in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life.

For the 50 yrs I've been following true crime it's always been like that altho I don't know when the legislation was written.
I read that statute as:

190. (a) Every person guilty of murder in the first degree shall be

1. punished by death,
2. imprisonment in the state prison for life without the possibility of parole,
3. or imprisonment in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life

As for the Menendez brothers, CourtTV.com says:

Lyle and Erik Menendez, sons of a successful Cuban-American business executive, were convicted of first-degree murder on March 20, 1996, for the shotgun killings of their parents, Jose and Kitty Menendez. They are each serving two consecutive life prison terms without the possibility of parole.

Link here:http://www.courttv.com/trials/menendez/

Adalena: do you know that the above extract from CourtTV.com is incorrect?

[GentleBreeze]

Mine looks more like the first link you posted. From the live video I saw from KCRA's Live Copter 3, the bag looked a bit odd in shape, but I'm assuming that's because it had the body of an 8 year old girl in it.

It did look like a soft pack type of luggage to me that would conform and mold somewhat.

I could have sworn I thought I saw the bulge where most likely Sandra's little body lay in it.

imo

[kitty1182]

From what I understand SC went to a friend's house, left there and went to MH's house to play with her daughter...MH's tells SC she can't play, daughter has to put her toys up...
I'm wondering if SC walked up and seen something at that house she should not have seen and MH had to keep her quite....

[sunstar]

Brian Lawless... that's MH's father.. Huckaby is her married name.. divorce is in progress supposedly read that somewhere googling today too.

Her mother's name is Judy Lawless
thanks again. :smile: I was just wondering if the little girl can be with her (the little girl's) dad.

[sunstar]

thank you, Themis!

[dinojen]

It did look like a soft pack type of luggage to me that would conform and mold somewhat.

I could have sworn I thought I saw the bulge where most likely Sandra's little body lay in it.

imo

I believe it's because the suitcase was placed in a body bag when it was retrieved... there is a link to that affect somewhere on this board.

[dinojen]

thanks again. :smile: I was just wondering if the little girl can be with her (the little girl's) dad.


Got me.. I am thinking more about her family will be coming out in the next few days.. the media hunts these people down like the best detectives...

Hope the little girl is well taken care of... so very sad...

[oodi]

Bolding is mine....if this is true why did they continue?

I'm assuming you are asking why they continued to talk to her if she had asked for an atty. She obviously changed her mind, which she can do. Police are free to talk to her as long as she is willing to talk to them without an atty present.

[Adalena935]

Can you imagine being the grandfather/pastor? FGS! I'm sure he must feel humiliated and angry and duped! Or, maybe he had some "inkling" but his conscious wouldn't let him go there. I think we all knew something about the church was going to be involved. But I was leaning towards some male church worker with access (maybe janitor or something like that).

Has MH's mother (grandparent's daughter) been in the local news at all or does she not live in that community? TIA!

It's been said on the boards that MH's parents live in So. California but I'm not certain.

As for the grandparents, yes it's awful. I really feel for them both. I'm sure they were trying to give her a leg up as it were after her crime history in So. CA and she chose to betray them. As well as her own 5 year old child. Who knows that she wasn't drugging children and making disgusting child porn to sell for money gain for herself? It's possible. Her ploying herself into the grandparent's good graces to gain access to the church, the roll away cot in the storage facility people said FBI removed from there (evidence) and the sunday school classroom buildings must have been a field day for the evil old scum.

My heart aches for her grandparents. She's hurt so many people and it can't be taken back. She and people like her are a disgrace to the human condition. People who do things like this have to pass themselves off as being benevolent in order to gain people's trust; which makes them all the more despicable. If they acted evil openly we'd all have ample warning to beware.

A wo/man is who s/he is in the dark. Rest of the time s/he's acting.

[cherylt]

We have seen woman get rid of bodies of full grown adults and discard them in other places away from the original crime scenes, so one woman surely could do so when disposing of a little girl who only weighed 45 pounds. Imo, she is the sole perpetrator.

We cannot rule any motive in or out that she may have had. In the last couple of years it seems we have seen the worst depravity in some women there is as we read about the children who have lost their lives by their hands. So some women are very capable of the most despicable crimes imaginable, just like this one.

So even though she may not fit the profile of who usually kidnaps and murders a child that is not her own, she certainly make her own mark and the FBI will try to learn why she has done the most reprehensible act there is.

imo


True, so true... To address the bold, just think of Melanie McGuire (NJ case) who disposed of her husband's body in matching Kenneth Cole luggage...And he was a heck of a lot bigger so she supposedly had to cut him into pieces. Just gruesome!!

Then there is also of course, Aileen Wuornos and history is actually full of woman who kill others who aren't there own family... But statistically this case is unusual. I wish the cops could say more, but hopefully we'll get more info Monday when all the news shows come back on...

[dinojen]

http://www.kron.com/News/WatchKRON4NewsLiveOnline/tabid/354/Default.aspx


Being discussed now on 5 PM news.

[Adalena935]

Got me.. I am thinking more about her family will be coming out in the next few days.. the media hunts these people down like the best detectives...

Hope the little girl is well taken care of... so very sad...

I hope Melissa's child is cared for too. Wouldn't we all be so charmed if she'd have given Sandra the same consideration.

[oodi]

I believe it's because the suitcase was placed in a body bag when it was retrieved... there is a link to that affect somewhere on this board.


I'm not sure what video GentleBreeze saw, but the video I saw was prior to them placing it in a body bag. Some of the video was even prior to it being removed from the pond.

[royals02]

True, so true... To address the bold, just think of Melanie McGuire (NJ case) who disposed of her husband's body in matching Kenneth Cole luggage...And he was a heck of a lot bigger so she supposedly had to cut him into pieces. Just gruesome!!

Then there is also of course, Aileen Wuornos and history is actually full of woman who kill others who aren't there own family... But statistically this case is unusual. I wish the cops could say more, but hopefully we'll get more info Monday when all the news shows come back on...

Hey cheryl.....WOW..long time no see...

[Themis]

thank you, Themis!
You're welcome, Sunstar.

It's interesting to note that even pleading guilty will not necessarily avoid the penalty of life without parole.

Headline from August 2008: Man Pleads Guilty to Double Murders;
Sentenced to Life Without Parole

Full article from Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office:

http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/080508a.htm

[JMO * Themis]

[sunstar]

Got me.. I am thinking more about her family will be coming out in the next few days.. the media hunts these people down like the best detectives...

Hope the little girl is well taken care of... so very sad...
Yes that's all I'm thinking of too, what would be the best for her right now that her mother's in jail. :sad:

[GentleBreeze]

I believe it's because the suitcase was placed in a body bag when it was retrieved... there is a link to that affect somewhere on this board.

Hi dino...

No I am talking about when the media helicopters first flew over. LE had not touched the bag at that time.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

You're welcome, Sunstar.

It's interesting to note that even pleading guilty will not necessarily avoid the penalty of life without parole.

Headline from August 2008: Man Pleads Guilty to Double Murders;
Sentenced to Life Without Parole

Full article from Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office:

http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/080508a.htm

[JMO * Themis]

That actually happens quite often, especially if the DA was going to ask for the Death Penalty if it went to trial.

imo

[sunstar]

You're welcome, Sunstar.

It's interesting to note that even pleading guilty will not necessarily avoid the penalty of life without parole.

Headline from August 2008: Man Pleads Guilty to Double Murders;
Sentenced to Life Without Parole

Full article from Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office:

http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/080508a.htm

[JMO * Themis]
That is interesting but maybe the DA was going to ask for the DP? I'm thinking they might seek the DP in this case, because of the kidnapping charge in addition to the murder of a child. :shrug:

[dinojen]

Huckaby's family showed up at the jail today to see Melissa.. KRON4 will have more on that visit at 7 PST. That's all they said.

[GentleBreeze]

I'm not sure what video GentleBreeze saw, but the video I saw was prior to them placing it in a body bag. Some of the video was even prior to it being removed from the pond.

That is what I saw too, oodi.

None of LE had touched the bag. At that time they hadn't even gone down the slope to be close to it yet.

imo

[kitty1182]

Hi dino...

No I am talking about when the media helicopters first flew over. LE had not touched the bag at that time.

imo

I saw that too..Looked like you could tell something was in it:sad:

[daHawg]

You're welcome, Sunstar.

It's interesting to note that even pleading guilty will not necessarily avoid the penalty of life without parole.

Headline from August 2008: Man Pleads Guilty to Double Murders;
Sentenced to Life Without Parole

Full article from Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office:

http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/080508a.htm

[JMO * Themis]Yes, thank you. I am glad there is LWOP and it is LWOP in CA.

[oodi]

And you know as well as I do a good defense attorney will have a field day with that.


I'm sure an atty will try. I guess it all depends on when she asked for the atty, and how much she had said prior to that. I'm sure the interview was recorded.

[Adalena935]

I believe it's because the suitcase was placed in a body bag when it was retrieved... there is a link to that affect somewhere on this board.

It was on television before it was placed in a body bag.

[FrankieBones1]

I'm not sure what video GentleBreeze saw, but the video I saw was prior to them placing it in a body bag. Some of the video was even prior to it being removed from the pond.
The one I saw was long before it was placed in a body bag.
It appeared to be a garment bag with Sandra's little body in the bottom.

[GentleBreeze]

I saw that too..Looked like you could tell something was in it:sad:

Me too, Kitty.:sad::crying:

[Ice Cycle]

I have been off a couple of hours, does anyone know if they are having another pc today?

[sunstar]

Huckaby's family showed up at the jail today to see Melissa.. KRON4 will have more on that visit at 7 PST. That's all they said.

thank you! :smile:

[Adalena935]

When Cindy Sommer was convicted she was convicted with "special circumstances" (the arsenic/for money) If her conviction had stood, she would have gotten nothing less than LWOP and it would have been LWOP. I think some might be missing the "or" there on the sentencing thing.

Parole boards do whatever they please. or they're powerless as you'd have us believe.

[kitty1182]

Trash can was took after another search of the church?

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2298911-Church+searched+again&article-Church%20searched%20again%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

[GentleBreeze]

I'm sure an atty will try. I guess it all depends on when she asked for the atty, and how much she had said prior to that. I'm sure the interview was recorded.

I am sure it was and didn't they say they Mirandized her twice? Probably before she started talking again.

Sounds like they did it like it should have been done.

imo

[oodi]

I have been off a couple of hours, does anyone know if they are having another pc today?


From the PC this morning, I doubt it. Doesn't sound like they are willing to give up any more info until the case goes to trial.

[Adalena935]

Me too, Kitty.:sad::crying:

I saw it too. Horrible. Especially after laying wet in that disgusting place this monster put her for the 10 days LE says they believe she was there.

[sunstar]

I just hope they recorded everything. I wish it was mandatory in every state.

Not just recorded, but with videotape! Yes, I sure hope so too. I wouldn't want her to get off on any technicalities, assuming she's guilty. MOO

[Adalena935]

From the PC this morning, I doubt it. Doesn't sound like they are willing to give up any more info until the case goes to trial.

I think they'll tell the public the cause of death.

[sunstar]

Trash can was took after another search of the church?

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2298911-Church+searched+again&article-Church%20searched%20again%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

That article was yesterday, kitty. :smile:

[kitty1182]

That was yesterday, kitty. :smile:

I missed it about a large can being removed...Guess I was busy dying eggs..lol

[sunstar]

I think they'll tell the public the cause of death.

I think we'll find out a lot of things if they have a preliminary hearing. Or do you think it'll be a grand jury? :shrug:

[Adalena935]

Trash can was took after another search of the church?

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2298911-Church+searched+again&article-Church%20searched%20again%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

It says 22 hours ago so that was last evening. But thanks for posting it anyway because I haden't read it yet.

[dinojen]

I am sure it was and didn't they say they Mirandized her twice? Probably before she started talking again.

Sounds like they did it like it should have been done.

imo

Yes they did mirandize her and that's when he said she became emotional...at least that is what was said in this mornings PC

[kitty1182]

The Sgt. that gave the interviews live.....I really like him..He was so kind to everybody asking questions and took as much time as he could to answer as best he could...

[cherylt]

Hey cheryl.....WOW..long time no see...

OMG! No kidding! How the heck are you? I haven't seen you on the boards, I've been on the latest trials & Phil Spector verdict watch mostly.

So what say you on this strange case? Should we hook her up w/ Brian Nichols?

And by the way, her maiden name - Lawless - is quite ironic, no? :)

[kitty1182]

yep I saw that too... the outline at the bottom side of the bag from certain angles looked very much like it could be a childs body laying on her side in a fetal position. :sad:

Sure did......:sad:

[dinojen]

I think we'll find out a lot of things if they have a preliminary hearing. Or do you think it'll be a grand jury? :shrug:

In the Tracy Teen Torture case...they went to the grand jury and there was no preliminary hearing.. it's going straight to trial... might be the same in this case.

[sunstar]

I missed it about a large can being removed...Guess I was busy dying eggs..lol

No problem! I was so busy getting ready for tomorrow I didn't even know about the arrest until mid-afternoon. :smile:

[Themis]

That is interesting but maybe the DA was going to ask for the DP? I'm thinking they might seek the DP in this case, because of the kidnapping charge in addition to the murder of a child. :shrug:
Reference post 119 by Sunstar

Yes, Sunstar; I agree ... in the case I cited from Los Angeles, it is possible that in return for a sentence of life without parole the District Attorney (D.A.) would not go for the death penalty. It's good all around in that the man is in prison for life without parole (and he gets to live) and the state avoided the cost of the trial.

As for Huckaby, I agree with you again, the D.A. can use, if they so choose, to ask for the death penalty because it would fall into the realm of 'special circumstances,' with the addition of the kidnapping charge. Obviously, the D.A.'s office will do their investigation before going for the death penalty in this case as in all others.

Wiki says this: California prison and women awaiting the death penalty to be carried out are all housed at the Central California Women's Facility (CCWF) in Chowchilla, CA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_California_Women's_Facility

[sunstar]

In the Tracy Teen Torture case...they went to the grand jury and there was no preliminary hearing.. it's going straight to trial... might be the same in this case.

thank you ~ it probably would be better that way, even though we won't get any information, the potential jurors won't either.

[kitty1182]

No problem! I was so busy getting ready for tomorrow I didn't even know about the arrest until mid-afternoon. :smile:

I will have to ask mom to say grace tomorrow....Don't think I can do it without thinking of Sandra's family and not breaking down...

[Adalena935]

I think we'll find out a lot of things if they have a preliminary hearing. Or do you think it'll be a grand jury? :shrug:

I don't know. I'd guess preliminary hearing.

[sunstar]

Reference post 119 by Sunstar

Yes, Sunstar; I agree ... in the case I cited from Los Angeles, it is possible that in return for a sentence of life without parole the District Attorney (D.A.) would not go for the death penalty. It's good all around in that the man is in prison for life without parole (and he gets to live) and the state avoided the cost of the trial.

As for Huckaby, I agree with you again, the D.A. can use, if they so choose, to ask for the death penalty because it would fall into the realm of 'special circumstances,' with the addition of the kidnapping charge. Obviously, the D.A.'s office will do their investigation before going for the death penalty in this case as in all others.

Wiki says this: California prison and women awaiting the death penalty to be carried out are all housed at the Central California Women's Facility (CCWF) in Chowchilla, CA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_California_Women's_Facility
thanks so much :smile: the information is much appreciated! My personal thoughts are that they should ask for it. Richard Allen Davis is sitting on DR for the same crime kidnapping and murder (of Polly Klaas). It shouldn't make any difference that MH is female. MOO

[sunstar]

I will have to ask mom to say grace tomorrow....Don't think I can do it without thinking of Sandra's family and not breaking down...

I just have to keep thinking about where Sandra is now. Even though she should still be here on earth enjoying Easter, she is in such a better place with Him. :rose:

[daHawg]

thanks so much :smile: the information is much appreciated! My personal thoughts are that they should ask for it. Richard Allen Davis is sitting on DR for the same crime kidnapping and murder (of Polly Klaas). It shouldn't make any difference that MH is female. MOO

Westerfield as well. Shouldn't matter one iota that Melissa is female. Death Row for her in my book.

ETA. Alejandro Avila Samantha Runnion's killer is on D/R too. Show her NO MERCY upon her conviction.

[titanfan217]

From the PC this morning, I doubt it. Doesn't sound like they are willing to give up any more info until the case goes to trial.

I got the idea that was going to be the last one on the subject.

[Adalena935]

yep I saw that too... the outline at the bottom side of the bag from certain angles looked very much like it could be a childs body laying on her side in a fetal position. :sad:

That's what I saw too.

[darjeeling]

Arraigned on Tuesday, I believe.

PIO just said that the people who found the suitcase have refused any reward money.

I've been mostly reading today but this post underscored how despite all this tragedy there is still good in people. Bless the farm workers for bringing the suitcase to the attention of the police and bless them for their noble gesture of refusing the reward money. I am very moved.

For Sandra :rose:

[Ice Cycle]

I don't know. I'd guess preliminary hearing.

He said this morning that a lot would probably come out at the arraignment. I still think it odd that they have released the church plus I thought I kind of sensed some sarcasm when he answered saying it would probably be open for easter service tomorrow. When it is highly doubtful that at least that Pastor would be there tomorrow.

[Adalena935]

The Sgt. that gave the interviews live.....I really like him..He was so kind to everybody asking questions and took as much time as he could to answer as best he could...

I liked him too and thought he did a very good job.

[Themis]

thanks so much :smile: the information is much appreciated! My personal thoughts are that they should ask for it. Richard Allen Davis is sitting on DR for the same crime kidnapping and murder (of Polly Klaas). It shouldn't make any difference that MH is female. MOO
You're welcome. I agree with you and deHawg that it should not matter if it is a male or female with regards to getting the death penalty. If the situation merits it and the D.A. believes she/he can make a good case for the death penalty then they should go for it.

The good news is that San Joaquin County is more conservative than, say, Los Angeles County or San Francisco County. Stockton is by far the city with the largest population -- still a lot of rural land populated by ranches, dairies, orchards, ground crops, etc.

There are currently 15 women sentenced to death in California and being housed at this one facility:

http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Visitors/Facilities/CCWF.html

[JMO * Themis]

[Adalena935]

He said this morning that a lot would probably come out at the arraignment. I still think it odd that they have released the church plus I thought I kind of sensed some sarcasm when he answered saying it would probably be open for easter service tomorrow. When it is highly doubtful that at least that Pastor would be there tomorrow.

Oh, I didn't hear him say that. I was actually in the other room at the time. I don't know what the pastor will do. Easter is an important Christian holiday. I feel for he and his wife and their small congregation.

[magnolia]

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12123810

It seems as if Melissa DID have two children...but they rarely came out or played with others (reported by the neighbor). People said Melissa Huckaby was quiet. One good thing (if true), there was not a lot of children going in and out of the home.

[cutiepatootie61]

This article here states that Melissa has two young daughters. This is the first I'm hearing this, I have only heard mention of the 5 yr old that Sandra played with. Anyone know anything about this other child?

http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_12123810?source=rss

[royals02]

OMG! No kidding! How the heck are you? I haven't seen you on the boards, I've been on the latest trials & Phil Spector verdict watch mostly.

So what say you on this strange case? Should we hook her up w/ Brian Nichols?

And by the way, her maiden name - Lawless - is quite ironic, no? :)

TRUDAT cheryl....i thought the same thing about the name. I've been on the boards mostly checking Caylee and Haleigh....I refused to follow the Spector trial this time because of all the nonsense that went on with the first trial.
I think there is alot yet to come out about one though. So many strange people and stranger stories. Do you know anything about the "Tracy 60" that people were posting about the other day??

[Ice Cycle]

Oh, I didn't hear him say that. I was actually in the other room at the time. I don't know what the pastor will do. Easter is an important Christian holiday. I feel for he and his wife and their small congregation.

Yeah that is what he said and I am sure that their plans for service tomorrow and now has been canceled. Can't imagine anyone going in to that church till they know for sure she was not killed there.

[Adalena935]

I hear what you're saying but I would think LWOP instead of DP because they don't carry out any DP's in CA. If she is on death row, she will get her own cell and be away from other prisoners. IF guilty she will be at the bottom of the "food chain" being a child killer and will not fare very well, which is just fine with me. If she is guilty, I don't ever see her getting out of jail anyway, and I would rather MH be in general pop than in some quiet, "cushy", corner of the jail...

JMO...

ETA - there is no true LWOP in the state? I just re-read your post...

bolding mine

LWOP is written law, but consider this; felony kidnapping & homicide is too........

[tootie]

Oh, I didn't hear him say that. I was actually in the other room at the time. I don't know what the pastor will do. Easter is an important Christian holiday. I feel for he and his wife and their small congregation.

I agree. I feel bad for the pastor, his wife and the church. This has put a scar on their church that will be hard to heal but with God's help hopefully they can overcome.

[Adalena935]

Yeah that is what he said and I am sure that their plans for service tomorrow and now has been canceled. Can't imagine anyone going in to that church till they know for sure she was not killed there.

I can't imagine it doing anything but disbanding.

[datagal]

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12123810

It seems as if Melissa DID have two children...but they rarely came out or played with others (reported by the neighbor). People said Melissa Huckaby was quiet. One good thing (if true), there was not a lot of children going in and out of the home.


Hmmm reading that article, makes me think, it's always the quiet ones.

[Adalena935]

I agree. I feel bad for the pastor, his wife and the church. This has put a scar on their church that will be hard to heal but with God's help hopefully they can overcome.

I don't know what will happen to the church of the few people said to be members. I hate to say it but it'll probably dissolve.

[kitty1182]

This article here states that Melissa has two young daughters. This is the first I'm hearing this, I have only heard mention of the 5 yr old that Sandra played with. Anyone know anything about this other child?

http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_12123810?source=rss

First I've heard about another child..

[kitty1182]

Yeah that is what he said and I am sure that their plans for service tomorrow and now has been canceled. Can't imagine anyone going in to that church till they know for sure she was not killed there.

I agree..........

[GentleBreeze]

I've been mostly reading today but this post underscored how despite all this tragedy there is still good in people. Bless the farm workers for bringing the suitcase to the attention of the police and bless them for their noble gesture of refusing the reward money. I am very moved.

For Sandra :rose:

Amen!

imo

[sunstar]

You're welcome. I agree with you and deHawg that it should not matter if it is a male or female with regards to getting the death penalty. If the situation merits it and the D.A. believes she/he can make a good case for the death penalty then they should go for it.

The good news is that San Joaquin County is more conservative than, say, Los Angeles County or San Francisco County. Stockton is by far the city with the largest population -- still a lot of rural land populated by ranches, dairies, orchards, ground crops, etc.

There are currently 15 women sentenced to death in California and being housed at this one facility:

http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Visitors/Facilities/CCWF.html

[JMO * Themis]

thank you ~ I was curious about how many women had been sentenced to death. The information about the area is good to know also but I hope there won't have to be a COV, although I'd suspect the defense would want it moved to a less conservative area. Looking at a map though, there seems to be several large cities in that San Joaquin Valley. MOO

[tootie]

Someone posted what I thought was the link to MH's myspace page yesterday or the day before. The picture that was on there, is that the same MH as in the mug shot? It didn't look like her so I was wondering if that was the same melissa?

[Ice Cycle]

First I've heard about another child..

I think someone posted that this morning but I had never heard of another one and also I have never heard any mention of her parents
(the Pastor's daughter).

[datagal]

thank you ~ I was curious about how many women had been sentenced to death. The information about the area is good to know also but I hope there won't have to be a COV, although I'd suspect the defense would want it moved to a less conservative area. Looking at a map though, there seems to be several large cities in that San Joaquin Valley. MOO

Sorry, what's a COV?

TIA

[Anakerie]

Parole boards do whatever they please. or they're powerless as you'd have us believe.
:confused: As far as I know, if a prisoner has been sentenced to Life WITHOUT Parole, their case does NOT come before a parole board... Even here in California. I'm sorry, but I don't understand the disdain towards this state. I'm quite sure the other 49 states in this country have problems with prisons, prisoners, courts, juries and etc...

[kitty1182]

Does anyone know the name of the child Melissa was supposely/alledged to have drugged and taken to the park. I posted earlier I knew her daughters name, I was laying down trying to watch a movie(repeat on lifetime), and thinking OMG her daughters name was Kassandra, KasSANDRA. But I googled it, I was wrong that's 1 of the friends Sandra went to see that day. Now it's driving me closer to :scared:nuts, lol.

Don't know her name...Makes me wonder just what she was doing to these girls..

[MrLucky917B]

Someone posted what I thought was the link to MH's myspace page yesterday or the day before. The picture that was on there, is that the same MH as in the mug shot? It didn't look like her so I was wondering if that was the same melissa?

The one that was posted was not the right one, some media outlets even used that picture in their stories.

[oodi]

Sorry, what's a COV?

TIA

Change Of Venue

[tootie]

The one that was posted was not the right one, some media outlets even used that picture in their stories.

That makes sense then. I didn't think it looked like the same person.

[royals02]

Did anyone check the blinkoncrime website? Does anyone know any details about Fred Williams?:confused:

[sunstar]

I don't know what will happen to the church of the few people said to be members. I hate to say it but it'll probably dissolve.

I would think so too. I wondered why there were so few members, before Sandra's disappearance was connected to anyone in the church.

[boo]

It's always read like that in CA. That's why it drives me crazy when people think life in CA is actually life. It's not and never has been. IF they would keep them locked up I would personally have no problem waiving the DP altogether. But they won't keep them locked up. And that's the only reason I favor the death penalty. They rarely if ever execute them in CA anyway. More die of old age or illness on death row than execution. There's stats but I don't feel like looking them up. There's a moratorium more or less on DP nationwide anyway right now that looks as if it may never get lifted in our lifetimes.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/187-199.html

190. (a) Every person guilty of murder in the first degree shall be punished by death, imprisonment in the state prison for life without the possibility of parole, or imprisonment in the state prison for a term of 25 years to life.

For the 50 yrs I've been following true crime it's always been like that altho I don't know when the legislation was written.

I have to respectfully disagree with some of this, Adalena.

My brother was murdered in California by 2 guys (who were brothers) and they were sentenced to 15 years to life. Actually, one got 17 years to life because California carries an added 2 year mandate on any crime where a firearm is used in the commission of a felony.

My point is that this was in 1982. Fast forward to now, and they are still in. Ironically, one of them is serving his time in Tracy at Deuel Vocational Institution (formerly Tracy State Prison). Neither one of "my" killers was sentenced to life, and really, they both should be out by now. It's pretty amazing that 27 years later, they are both still locked up.

I had a parole hearing last month for one of them and he was actually granted parole. Unfortunately for him, California doesn't just open the doors after they award them parole. He needs to get a signed release from Governor Schwarzenegger before he can get out, and Schwarzenegger has NEVER granted a release on a first time parolee.

Prayers to sweet little Sandra.

[datagal]

Change Of Venue

Thanks oodi! I learned something today! lol

[sunstar]

Sorry, what's a COV?

TIA

I'm sorry ~ it's a change of venue. :smile:

[kitty1182]

Did anyone check the blinkoncrime website? Does anyone know any details about Fred Williams?:confused:

I'm wondering how he can live in such a fine home....:sneaky:

[sunstar]

<respectfully snipped for space>

I had a parole hearing last month for one of them and he was actually granted parole. Unfortunately for him, California doesn't just open the doors after they award them parole. He needs to get a signed release from Governor Schwarzenegger before he can get out, and Schwarzenegger has NEVER granted a release on a first time parolee.

Prayers to sweet little Sandra.
Oh, it sounds like he's still the Terminator! That is good to hear. I don't think they should get out either.


:rose: for you and your family

[datagal]

So........Melissa was not a Sunday school teacher? Another site is claiming this. I am wondering if this has been verified. I do know that she played keyboards (I think) at her fathers church. But a teacher? Hmmm

That is so weird that the day of her arrest she just started throwing out information. I can't for the life of me understand what she was hoping to accomplish.

[tootie]

Looks like MH is on suicide watch. (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2304030-Huckaby+on+suicide+watch&article-Huckaby%20on%20suicide%20watch%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&) I wonder what the reason behind the internal bleeding was?

[Themis]

thank you ~ I was curious about how many women had been sentenced to death. The information about the area is good to know also but I hope there won't have to be a COV, although I'd suspect the defense would want it moved to a less conservative area. Looking at a map though, there seems to be several large cities in that San Joaquin Valley. MOO

You're welcome, Sunstar. Please do not get confused by the term 'San Joaquin Valley' with San Joaquin County. They are not the same at all.

The 'Valley' is a geographical term and applies to several counties.

The upcoming trial of Huckaby will take place in San Joaquin County which has definite boundaries--which has defined legal and political boundaries.

Perhaps these will help:

Wiki on San Joaquin VALLEY:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_Valley

San Joaquin COUNTY:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_County,_California#Cities.2C_towns.2C_ and_communities

[cherylt]

TRUDAT cheryl....i thought the same thing about the name. I've been on the boards mostly checking Caylee and Haleigh....I refused to follow the Spector trial this time because of all the nonsense that went on with the first trial.
I think there is alot yet to come out about one though. So many strange people and stranger stories. Do you know anything about the "Tracy 60" that people were posting about the other day??


"Tracy 60"? No, I haven't heard that term. Do u know what they were talking about?

Love that - trudat! :) I missed that saying and that chatroom...

[royals02]

Does anyone have a link to check someone's criminal record in CA. I was interested in checking on Fred Williams...the blink on crime article said he has his rap sheet plastered on his refrigerator:confused:

tia

[datagal]

Does anyone here think there will be any more arrests? I do. Sheneman said "not in this case". So.......I am just thinking that there will be "Other" cases that are fueled by this case. Hmmm

[oodi]

thank you ~ I was curious about how many women had been sentenced to death. The information about the area is good to know also but I hope there won't have to be a COV, although I'd suspect the defense would want it moved to a less conservative area. Looking at a map though, there seems to be several large cities in that San Joaquin Valley. MOO

FYI... Just for some background info, the San Joaquin Valley as a whole is more conservative than other parts of the state, such as the San Francisco and Los Angeles areas.

As for large cities, I'm not sure which ones you looked at. Fresno would be the largest between Sacramento and Los Angeles, with a population around half a million. Merced has around 65,000, Modesto around 200,000 and Stockton around 300,000.

[boo]

Oh, it sounds like he's still the Terminator! That is good to hear. I don't think they should get out either.


:rose: for you and your family

Thank you, sunstar. :smile:

I also didn't mention that these guys were sentenced on second degree murder charges and not first degree. California is not a push-over state where murderers are concerned and there are certainly far more liberal. JMO

[kitty1182]

Looks like MH is on suicide watch. (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2304030-Huckaby+on+suicide+watch&article-Huckaby%20on%20suicide%20watch%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&) I wonder what the reason behind the internal bleeding was?

I sure will hate I will miss the memorial next Thursday...Leaving out early that morning for GA...Maybe it will be online when I get back on Monday....
I have no clue about the bleeding....

[datagal]

"Tracy 60"? No, I haven't heard that term. Do u know what they were talking about?

Love that - trudat! :) I missed that saying and that chatroom...


This link has a story about that...... http://www.protect.org/Where-are-the-Tracy-60.html

[nana6]

I sure will hate I will miss the memorial next Thursday...Leaving out early that morning for GA...Maybe it will be online when I get back on Monday....
I have no clue about the bleeding....

Hi Kitty, I just wondered if you know if there will be a presser tonight? If so, will it be on fox or cnn etc?

[royals02]

"Tracy 60"? No, I haven't heard that term. Do u know what they were talking about?

Love that - trudat! :) I missed that saying and that chatroom...

Hahaha...I knew you would remember "trudat"...miss those days too
Anyway I think the Tracy 60 had something to do with a child pornography ring if I'm not mistaken.

[boo]

Looks like MH is on suicide watch. (http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2304030-Huckaby+on+suicide+watch&article-Huckaby%20on%20suicide%20watch%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&) I wonder what the reason behind the internal bleeding was?

I'm curious about this too. If she were really trying to off herself, she could ingest a little ammonia, 409, windex, etc., and that would cause internal bleeding. There must be a better way to go than that, though. Yikes. :w00t:

[StickyBeak]

I just have to keep thinking about where Sandra is now. Even though she should still be here on earth enjoying Easter, she is in such a better place with Him. :rose:

I keep singing in my mind; one two three like a bird I sing cause you've given me the most beautiful set of wings (Tim mcGraw) not appropriate but I loved the ending where all the sweet little voices sang. I hope she is flying with the Angels knowing she was loved. Prayers for her and her family.

[Themis]

This better illustrates San Joaquin County and its incorporated cities and population distribution in alphabetical order:

Escalon 7,131
Lathrop 17,429
Lodi 63,362
Manteca 66,451
Ripon 14,915
Stockton 286,927
Tracy 81,548
Unincorporated Areas 144,897
Total County Population 682,660

Data Source: http://www.co.san-joaquin.ca.us/about.aspx?id=1372

[sunstar]

You're welcome, Sunstar. Please do not get confused by the term 'San Joaquin Valley' with San Joaquin County. They are not the same at all.

The 'Valley' is a geographical term and applies to several counties.

The upcoming trial of Huckaby will take place in San Joaquin County which has definite boundaries--which has defined legal and political boundaries.

Perhaps these will help:

Wiki on San Joaquin VALLEY:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_Valley

San Joaquin COUNTY:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Joaquin_County,_California#Cities.2C_towns.2C_ and_communities

Again, I appreciate the information! :smile: I did realize though that there is a county and a valley by the same name, but I was thinking of the change of venue possibility ~ and how there seems to be several cities where the trial could be moved to if need be ~ without being in the Bay Area or L.A. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer in my previous post!

[Themis]

FYI... Just for some background info, the San Joaquin Valley as a whole is more conservative than other parts of the state, such as the San Francisco and Los Angeles areas.

As for large cities, I'm not sure which ones you looked at. Fresno would be the largest between Sacramento and Los Angeles, with a population around half a million. Merced has around 65,000, Modesto around 200,000 and Stockton around 300,000.
Please do not confuse the term San Joaquin Valley with San Joaquin County.

Fresno is not even in San Joaquin County.

The city of Fresno is in Fresno County; Fresno is the county seat.

[sunstar]

Hahaha...I knew you would remember "trudat"...miss those days too
Anyway I think the Tracy 60 had something to do with a child pornography ring if I'm not mistaken.

Here's what I could find out about them.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/april062009/child_porn_connect_4-6-09.php

[tootie]

I'm curious about this too. If she were really trying to off herself, she could ingest a little ammonia, 409, windex, etc., and that would cause internal bleeding. There must be a better way to go than that, though. Yikes. :w00t:

So true. Or how about an overdose of coumadin. That stuff is basically rat poison and can make you bleed internally. I guess we will find out in the next week or so about the hospital visit. Maybe, if they don't throw the HIPPA rules out there.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Good Evening

Seems I have a lot to catch up on ... Melissa was arrested?!

Was she arrested for the kidnapping/murder or for suspicion of kidnapping/murder?

Or is there a difference?

TIA

:read:

[oodi]

Please do not confuse the term San Joaquin Valley with San Joaquin County.

Fresno is not even in San Joaquin County.

The city of Fresno is in Fresno County; Fresno is the county seat.

I don't think I did... I was born and raised in Fresno. :wink:

[kitty1182]

Hi Kitty, I just wondered if you know if there will be a presser tonight? If so, will it be on fox or cnn etc?

Hi Nana..I haven't heard of one......

[playnice]

Good Evening

Seems I have a lot to catch up on ... Melissa was arrested?!

Was she arrested for the kidnapping/murder or for suspicion of kidnapping/murder?

Or is there a difference?

TIA

:read:

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

[nana6]

Hi Nana..I haven't heard of one......

ok. Thank you anyway. I have missed so m uch today that I thought if there was one I wanted to be sure to see it to catch up. I just hate asking posters here to fill me in.

[sunstar]

I don't think I did... I was born and raised in Fresno. :wink:

It's all my fault, I started the confusion by mentioning the valley! :unsure:

[StickyBeak]

I'm curious about this too. If she were really trying to off herself, she could ingest a little ammonia, 409, windex, etc., and that would cause internal bleeding. There must be a better way to go than that, though. Yikes. :w00t:

Yee Gads, I googled internal bleeding causes, found some drug sites and lo and behold, who pops up but Casey Anthony and Chloroform.
Seems too much chlorofom consumption can lead to internal bleeding if I read correctly, medical journals not my cup of tea. How ironic JMO

[Themis]

Again, I appreciate the information! :smile: I did realize though that there is a county and a valley by the same name, but I was thinking of the change of venue possibility ~ and how there seems to be several cities where the trial could be moved to if need be ~ without being in the Bay Area or L.A. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer in my previous post!
You're welcome, Sunstar. Since San Joaquin County has a population of 682,660 there should be no need for a Change of Venue (COV).
However, it is a more conservative county as Poster Oodi and I have said. Distance wise Tracy is not that far from Stockton, the most populated city in San Joaquin County. Frankly, I would expect any defense attorney to request a COV because of what we have discussed. Whether a judge will approve such a request remains to be seen.

[TaraCrazyHair]

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

Thank You

Interesting ... she is being charged with murder with malice aforethought .... so basically she planned this?

How much is known about her short of her kids never played outside, she taught Sunday school, has two arrest records for theft and that she might be a habitual liar since she denied being the Melissa Huckaby facing those charges?

Oh .. and the Twitter about her swallowing razor blades

[cherylt]

Does anyone have a link to check someone's criminal record in CA. I was interested in checking on Fred Williams...the blink on crime article said he has his rap sheet plastered on his refrigerator:confused:

tia

Did you try searching on california criminal records database? Maybe something will come up that way?

BTW - didn't you have a LOT more posts to your nic? What happened?...

[tootie]

Here is another link that says (http://www.ksbw.com/news/19157916/detail.html) they will hold church services tomorrow. I am a little confused by the article.

[playnice]

I really do believe Melissa confessed last night because of some of the things said during the pc.
Sandra was already dead when she was reported missing.
LE know the spot she died in but cant release that info.
No other suspect or POI involved, she acted alone.
LE seems to know the details of what happened.
Just those things come to mind at the moment.

[Themis]

I don't think I did... I was born and raised in Fresno. :wink:
You didn't but when Fresno is used to explain the San Joaquin Valley and with so many people unfamiliar with the area, like Sunstar, I just wanted to make very sure people knew there was a difference between the geographical term of 'valley' and County as it relates to this case.

Being a native Californian myself, and one who even knows the incorporated city of Escalon,:laugh: which is in San Joaquin County, I was trying to ensure we all were on the same page. [JMO * Themis]

[TaraCrazyHair]

You're welcome, Sunstar. Since San Joaquin County has a population of 682,660 there should be no need for a Change of Venue (COV).
However, it is a more conservative county as Poster Oodi and I have said. Distance wise Tracy is not that far from Stockton, the most populated city in San Joaquin County. Frankly, I would expect any defense attorney to request a COV because of what we have discussed. Whether a judge will approve such a request remains to be seen.


I doubt a COV will even have to play into the scenario

I sense (even this early) an insanity plea

[playnice]

Thank You

Interesting ... she is being charged with murder with malice aforethought .... so basically she planned this?

How much is known about her short of her kids never played outside, she taught Sunday school, has two arrest records for theft and that she might be a habitual liar since she denied being the Melissa Huckaby facing those charges?

Oh .. and the Twitter about her swallowing razor blades

Thats the way I took it too Tara that it was premeditated.

[kitty1182]

I really do believe Melissa confessed last night because of some of the things said during the pc.
Sandra was already dead when she was reported missing.
LE know the spot she died in but cant release that info.
No other suspect or POI involved, she acted alone.
LE seems to know the details of what happened.
Just those things come to mind at the moment.

I think she did too...

[cherylt]

This link has a story about that...... http://www.protect.org/Where-are-the-Tracy-60.html


TYVM, datagal!

weird, but interesting...

[sunstar]

You're welcome, Sunstar. Since San Joaquin County has a population of 682,660 there should be no need for a Change of Venue (COV).
However, it is a more conservative county as Poster Oodi and I have said. Distance wise Tracy is not that far from Stockton, the most populated city in San Joaquin County. Frankly, I would expect any defense attorney to request a COV because of what we have discussed. Whether a judge will approve such a request remains to be seen.

I think it will probably depend on whether there's a preliminary hearing or grand jury. If there's a lot of information that becomes available to the public before trial, it seems to me there's a better chance for a judge to consider moving the trial. After seeing how some other cases have gone, I'd expect the defense to ask for it regardless. :smile: MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I really do believe Melissa confessed last night because of some of the things said during the pc.
Sandra was already dead when she was reported missing.
LE know the spot she died in but cant release that info.
No other suspect or POI involved, she acted alone.
LE seems to know the details of what happened.
Just those things come to mind at the moment.


Weren't Melissa's children home at the same Sandra stopped over?

Did they see or hear anything I wonder

Why would she have to kill an 8 year old little girl?

Makes no sense

[playnice]

Weren't Melissa's children home at the same Sandra stopped over?

Did they see or hear anything I wonder

Why would she have to kill an 8 year old little girl?

Makes no sense

Im still in shock. I did NOT see that one coming.
I thought with her crazy stories yesterday about the missing suitcase and someone leaving a note about the body in a suitcase in a pond and the location that she knew who did it or helped dispose of the body. It never crossed my mind that she murdered her and disposed of her body and acted alone.

I hope they remove the child for questioning or children if there is more than one.

[sunstar]

I really do believe Melissa confessed last night because of some of the things said during the pc.
Sandra was already dead when she was reported missing.
LE know the spot she died in but cant release that info.
No other suspect or POI involved, she acted alone.
LE seems to know the details of what happened.
Just those things come to mind at the moment.
Maybe I'm imagining it, but I thought the belief about Sandra already dead by the time she was reported missing had been out there before the arrest? :confused:

[StickyBeak]

Thats the way I took it too Tara that it was premeditated.

Would that be Murder 187A? There was a discussion earlier about that, I missed any explanation. Hard to handle premeditation of a little girl by a grown woman, my heart hurts for her little 5 yr. old daughter, friend of Sandra killed by her own Mother. MOO

[playnice]

Maybe I'm imagining it, but I thought the belief about Sandra already dead by the time she was reported missing had been out there before the arrest? :confused:

The pc today is the first I heard about it but I dont know.

[playnice]

Would that be Murder 187A? There was a discussion earlier about that, I missed any explanation. Hard to handle premeditation of a little girl by a grown woman, my heart hurts for her little 5 yr. old daughter, friend of Sandra killed by her own Mother. MOO

Yes you are right.

[oodi]

You didn't but when Fresno is used to explain the San Joaquin Valley and with so many people unfamiliar with the area, like Sunstar, I just wanted to make very sure people knew there was a difference between the geographical term of 'valley' and County as it relates to this case.

Being a native Californian myself, and one who even knows the incorporated city of Escalon,:laugh: which is in San Joaquin County, I was trying to ensure we all were on the same page. [JMO * Themis]


LOL... I've been to Escalon a few times. But then again, I currently live in Stanislaus County. :biggrin:

[cherylt]

You're welcome, Sunstar. Since San Joaquin County has a population of 682,660 there should be no need for a Change of Venue (COV).
However, it is a more conservative county as Poster Oodi and I have said. Distance wise Tracy is not that far from Stockton, the most populated city in San Joaquin County. Frankly, I would expect any defense attorney to request a COV because of what we have discussed. Whether a judge will approve such a request remains to be seen.


ITA! I'm in NJ and know alot about the story.
Any defense lawyer for MH - Good luck w/ that change of venue, perhaps u can try Canada? :rolleyes:

Oh wait, sorry, that will be Casey A's change request... :)

[Themis]

I think it will probably depend on whether there's a preliminary hearing or grand jury. If there's a lot of information that becomes available to the public before trial, it seems to me there's a better chance for a judge to consider moving the trial. After seeing how some other cases have gone, I'd expect the defense to ask for it regardless. :smile: MOO
Oh yeah, any defense attorney would like to have this moved to San Francisco County.:rolleyes:

However, since California is in a fiscal crisis asking all the involved participants to drive a long distance or literally move temporarily to a different county due to a COV is a bit unrealistic. Secondarily, moving a jury panel (12 + at least 4 alternates) to literally move to Stockton would also be very expensive. Heck, if the infamous 'Tracy Torture Case' trial is taking place in Stockton, I see no legitimate reason the Huckaby case will be moved to suit the defense. [JMO * Themis]

[playnice]

Oh yeah, any defense attorney would like to have this moved to San Francisco County.:rolleyes:

However, since California is in a fiscal crisis asking all the involved participants to drive a long distance or literally move temporarily to a different county due to a COV is a bit unrealistic. Secondarily, moving a jury panel (12 + at least 4 alternates) to literally move to Stockton would also be very expensive. Heck, if the infamous 'Tracy Torture Case' trial is taking place in Stockton, I see no legitimate reason the Huckaby case will be moved to suit the defense. [JMO * Themis]

Yeah add Octomom causing a financial strain on the state.

[dinojen]

Hi Kitty, I just wondered if you know if there will be a presser tonight? If so, will it be on fox or cnn etc?


KRON4 is doing a special on it tonite at 7 PST, it's just starting now.. I have it on.

[~jomomma~]

i've been busy today so i've missed most of the posts here.

i read the last few pages. so, Melissa has a 2nd child? has anyone heard how old? boy/girl?

story on Geraldo *cough* now.

ETA: well, maybe he's not doing this story first

[sunstar]

Geraldo is talking about Sandra's murder and the arrest.


Fox News now.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Would that be Murder 187A? There was a discussion earlier about that, I missed any explanation. Hard to handle premeditation of a little girl by a grown woman, my heart hurts for her little 5 yr. old daughter, friend of Sandra killed by her own Mother. MOO

PC187A Murder with Malice Aforethought

That is what i found anyway

I wonder what the fold up cot taken from the church has to do with any of this?

[MrLucky917B]

KRON4 is doing a special on it tonite at 7 PST, it's just starting now.. I have it on.

Is ther an internet link for it?

Nevermind I found it

[Themis]

LOL... I've been to Escalon a few times. But then again, I currently live in Stanislaus County. :biggrin:
Yes, Escalon's claim to fame is 'gateway to Yosemite National Park' via the 120.:laugh: Well, as Escalonites are fond of saying 'don't tell anyone about Mariposa.':lol:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Geraldo is talking about Sandra's murder and the arrest.


Fox News now.

Would you mind updating if anything new?

I have no control over the remote tonight

Thanks so much!

[dinojen]

i've been busy today so i've missed most of the posts here.

i read the last few pages. so, Melissa has a 2nd child? has anyone heard how old? boy/girl?

story on Geraldo *cough* now.

ETA: well, maybe he's not doing this story first


I think that's false... there is no mention anywhere of a second child.

Listening to a special report on the case now on KRON4.. and no mention..of a second child.

Her family is at the jail now.. but MH is refusing any visitors from the media..

KRON is reporting that one of the charges is listed as WILLFUL INTENT TO MURDER.

[MoonFlwr]

http://www.kron4.com/News/WatchKRON4NewsLiveOnline/tabid/354/Default.aspx

[oodi]

Yes, Escalon's claim to fame is 'gateway to Yosemite National Park' via the 120.:laugh: Well, as Escalonites are fond of saying 'don't tell anyone about Mariposa.':lol:

LOL!!

I spent over 40 years going to Yosemite via Hwy 41 from Fresno... the most beautiful view of the valley ever. Even though it's a much longer drive now that I'm up here, we still make the drive that far south to go that way, as it is worth it.

BTW... you haven't really lived until you've been to the town of Oleander, south of Fresno. LOL

[dinojen]

Geraldo and his histornics.. I gave up on that idiot a long time ago...he's all hot air:rolleyes: and dramatics.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think that's false... there is no mention anywhere of a second child.

Listening to a special report on the case now on KRON4.. and no mention..of a second child.

Her family is at the jail now.. but MH is refusing any visitors from the media..

KRON is reporting that one of the charges is listed as WILLFUL INTENT TO MURDER.


The next door neighbor spoke of the fact he has never seen her 'children' play outside although he has seen Sandra go inside the house in the past

I wonder where the idea of more than one child came from?

[datagal]

I think that's false... there is no mention anywhere of a second child.

Listening to a special report on the case now on KRON4.. and no mention..of a second child.

Her family is at the jail now.. but MH is refusing any visitors from the media..

KRON is reporting that one of the charges is listed as WILLFUL INTENT TO MURDER.


Well, I don't know if it is false that she has 2 children. However San Jose Mercury News is reporting it.... http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_12119398

[sunstar]

Would you mind updating if anything new?

I have no control over the remote tonight

Thanks so much!

He has the Sgt. and a reporter "live".

Sgt. saying there was no doubt at the conclusion of the interview last night that MH killed Sandra. He was shocked that it was a woman and that it was a member of the community, a neighbor and friend of Sandra's family. Personally he can't believe anyone can just lose control (accident) that they'd kill a child; professionally, he cannot comment. Cannot comment on confession. Unable to determine motive.

Reporter saying it was a huge red flag when she asked MH about her criminal record and MH denied there was one. She can't guess what the motive was; MH has a history of mental health problems. Could be there was no motive, can't speculate.

Candace deLong, FBI profiler: It is very rare, less than 5% of the time a child is abducted/murdered it is by a woman. Geraldo bringing up that the woman perpetrator usually has an accomplice. Another guess commenting on the mental history of MH. Montel Williams saying that in today's society an unaccounted for child has to be reported as missing immediately. It's an abomination that a child can't be safe in her own neighborhood.

Sgt.: Information we have from the interview leads LE to believe Sandra was already dead by the time she was reported missing.

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[TaraCrazyHair]

Forget Geraldo, LOL. Here's the live link to the KRON special that's airing now.
http://kron.com/News/WatchKRON4NewsLiveOnline/tabid/354/Default.aspx

Isn't that this morning's conference?

[datagal]

Willfull Intent:

Intent In order that there may be a conviction f murder there must be an intention to kill Daly v Stoddard 66 Ga 145 146 The act of killing to constitute murder must be intentional that is the party must have intended to commit the deed There must be premeditation But ttíere is no point of time in which this premeditation is required to exist It may be for an hour a day or for one moment There must be evidence that he meditated the act before the act was done State v Meyer 3 Atl 195 199 58 Vt 4Ü7 By West Publishing Company</a>

[oodi]

I've been running that through my head too...LE knows the spot she was murdered but can't release that info?

Well then it must have been at the church because if it were anywhere else the police would have come screaming in with a forensics team and taped off MH's trailer or where ever else this may have happened.

And so since there are not any other places taped off, like I say which they would have done in a felony murder case the only logical conclusion then is the church which already was taped off and processed.

Anyone else?


The late news last night said that they were searching MH's car, as well as talking to her. I guess it could have happened in the car. I haven't heard anything about the car being released, but I don't know that for sure.

[dinojen]

Isn't that this morning's conference?

Updating the case... at 7:30 they are suppose to tell more about her family being at the jail...

Some is repeat and some is people's opinion. I'm interested in hearing who is at the jail to see her. Many media have attempted to get interviews with her and she is declining.

[sunstar]

More on Geraldo

Angie & Joe Chavez, Sandra's aunt & uncle. JC: MH was not a friend of the family, only somebody they knew because of the kids playing together. Numerous times played together. Sandra played in her house and other houses in the park. AC: quite shocked but happy that an arrest was made. We don't know anything about Daniel (Sandra's father) but her mother is doing the best she can. Memorial service Thursday at 1pm at the West High Gym, private funeral also scheduled. I will remember Sandra as a fun loving little girl who captured my heart.

Geraldo going back to in-studio guests. Bernard Kerick, NYPD commissioner: must have been a confession. Montel: so sad we have to grieve every other day it seems for another little child. What are we going to have to do to keep our children safe?

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