Sandra Cantu Saturday 4/11/09 [TEACHER ARRESTED]

[5boxersmom]

what was the question when he answered "that was one of her emotional moments"?

What was her reaction when they put her in handcuffs.

[BeetlebrowII]

Won't say whether deliberate or an accident. He said it will come out at arraignment and trial.

This is so bizarre that she would kill Sandra. IMO there is a strong possibility this was accidental. Here is why:

1. Sandra goes to Melissa's home to play with Melissa's daughter.
2. Melissa alledgedly has a past that includes random acts of theft which is an indicator of possible drug use.
3. While at the home Sandra accidentally ingests some type of drug.
4. This is why we are waiting on toxicology reports.
5. Police spokesman said one of the reasons she was arrested is tips from the community possibly Melissa's aqaintences who knew she did drugs.
6. Melissa panics when Sandra dies in the home and the only thing she can think of to get Sandra out is a suitcase.

[KKKKKKatie]

What was her reaction when they put her in handcuffs.

thanks boxer!

[Anakerie]

what was the question when he answered "that was one of her emotional moments"?

I'm watching this on my TV.. Fox40... I could not hear the question, darn it... I wonder if someone will as about the presence of the ambulance at the rear of the building last night.

[KKKKKKatie]

Seriously, why can't he repeat the questions before answering them? :cursing:


I agree!! :cursing:

[TXbeaver]

Plus with him saying the grandparents were home....sounds like this may have happened at the church.

Do you think maybe Melissa moved her body to the church first to hide her, or is the church where it happened?

[dinojen]

what was the question when he answered "that was one of her emotional moments"?

Was she read her rights.. my spelling is bad.. mirandized... that's when she became emotional:angry:

[juliekan]

Was she read her rights.. my spelling is bad.. mirandized... that's when she became emotional:angry:

He said she was mirandized twice

[KKKKKKatie]

Was she read her rights.. my spelling is bad.. mirandized... that's when she became emotional:angry:

thanks dino

[tootie]

Who refused reward money?

[dinojen]

LE knows the "place" the murder happened..can't remember the question exactly but something like..do you know..or have you found..the spot it happened..he said..yes we found it.

..and she will go before the what..judge or grand jury..on Tuesday..I missed that part..

The judge for her arraignment.. but that can change.. need to check the San Joaquin Court website..

[KKKKKKatie]

they think she was at the 2nd vigil :cursing::cursing:

[dinojen]

Who refused reward money?

The farm worker's that found the suitcase..:sad:

[Mamie]

Although LE cannot begin to theorize what the motive could be (their wording) it appears that Huckaby did give some sort of confession. LE did not say she confessed, it's just my reading in between the lines. They would not say where the murder happened but they have proof of where it happened. (Also my interpretation that it probably happened in the church or on church property.) Suitcase that was missing of Huckaby's was the suitcase Sandra was found in. LE speculated early on that it was probably a male that did this, statistically speaking very small percentage of females do this, per FBI. FBI will continue to examine this case. LE has not spoken to grandparents since the arrest of their granddaughter.

LE says they anticipate no other arrests in this case.

I think this was the gist of everything in the PC.

[TXbeaver]

They sure took a lot of stuff out of the church, from what I've heard. They must think it's a crime scene.

[KKKKKKatie]

The farm worker's that found the suitcase..:sad:

Bless their hearts!!!

[PBJMOM4]

Do you think maybe Melissa moved her body to the church first to hide her, or is the church where it happened?

I'm going with my gut and saying the CHURCH.
Her grandparents were home and don't think she would be that brazen to commit such a crime in their presence and b/c the bed was removed from the church...I'm thinking lots of evidence to be found, if not found already.

[BeetlebrowII]

I don't think it was an accident. A reporter asked if Sandra had been drugged and I believe his response was that he couldn't comment on that.

I am not sure what you are getting at. Why would this rule out and accident with a cover up? :confused:

[steffaroob4]

they know where Sandra was murdered but they won't tell us.........why not?

I dunno, it can't be good if the FBI behavorial team wants to research this case more, IMO that points to not any type of accident.

[TXbeaver]

Bless their hearts!!!

That's very touching. You know the farm workers probably could use the money, too.

[KKKKKKatie]

Press applauded the Sgt after the PC. No more updates today

[lune3]

They sure took a lot of stuff out of the church, from what I've heard. They must think it's a crime scene.

That's what I think. Maybe she lured Sandra to the church in pretext of decorating that classroom..or something snapped there.

[juliekan]

She was mirandized twice according to the PIO. Hopefully early on. I'm thinking early, then again after she started talking.

He said she talked to us for a while, then didn't want to talk anymore, then changed her mind and talked to us some more. So I hope it was at the beginning, then when she decided to talk some more.

[KKKKKKatie]

That's very touching. You know the farm workers probably could use the money, too.

no doubt TX.....they lead a pretty difficult life IMO

I am just so proud of them! :wub:

[Mamie]

They went out of town to a Bible conference while their granddaughter was in the hospital? Seriously?

Maybe they didn't know she was in the hospital, or maybe she told them she was just going to have some testing done and to go ahead with their plans. JMO

[kitty1182]

Bless their hearts!!!

I agree....God bless them.......

[aproudmom]

anybody get anything out of that I could not hear most questions...to me it sound like she did some what confess. Also I seen him tear up anyone notice that and what was the question?

[bearwds]

LE knows the "place" the murder happened..can't remember the question exactly but something like..do you know..or have you found..the spot it happened..he said..yes we found it.

..and she will go before the what..judge or grand jury..on Tuesday..I missed that part..

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Tuesday @ 1:30...but that may change. Will be at County seat as Tracy only does traffic tickets.

Suitcase... Belief that she hauled it to the ditch herself.

No other POI's or arrests contemplated.


bearwds

[Anakerie]

Now that Melissa is under arrest and sitting in a jail cell, the investigators can go home to their families and hug their children.

I am stunned that she is considered the only suspect and no other arrests are anticipated. What the heck did she do to poor Sandra?????

[MrLucky917B]

Who refused reward money?

The farm workers that reported the bag

[kitty1182]

no doubt TX.....they lead a pretty difficult life IMO

I am just so proud of them! :wub:

Me too..I hope there is some other way the people can reward them so they will accept something..

[bearwds]

Well I pray to God that if she did confess, she was read her Miranda before...

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Twice...per PIO Sgt.


bearwds

[BeetlebrowII]

I dunno, it can't be good if the FBI behavorial team wants to research this case more, IMO that points to not any type of accident.

Actually no it doesn't. Do u guys want this to be a murder??

[Mamie]

When he said "No she did not" was that a question asking if she had confessed? I couldn't hear it...


No, that was not his answer to that question. He had answered it earlier that he could not go into detail of the conversations----or something like that. But I was taking it that there was a confession. Especially since he came out and said that they did not anticipate any further arrests. JMO

[merical]

That's very touching. You know the farm workers probably could use the money, too.

Maybe it could be donated to the family to help with burial costs and time off work during this hard time. It would be nice if it could be used to help Sandra's family in some way. Her siblings may need extensive counseling and help to get through this and feel safe again.

[dinojen]

So she went to police dept at 6pm, can anyone remember when they searched the church again last nite. Prob it happen at the church. Thats my guess.

They searched it earlier in the day I think.. they had all the evidence.. they were on the roof and under the church yesterday.. they called her and asked her to come in.. and she did.. and that's the end.. they had the evidence they needed and just let her hang herself with her own words.

I don't think it's going to come down to kiddie porn or drugs.. only because she died in such a short time after being at Melissa's residence.. but motive.. you got me.. just like the IO said at the PC... it's beyond him to even begin to theorize what the motive could be...

They sure are keeping the info about her and the case close to their chest.. glad to see their being so cautious...

[tootie]

Thank you everyone for answering my question. Cheers to the farm workers. May their lives be fully blessed. I am off here too. Time to go meditate and take a break.

[Anakerie]

He deserves it....honestly. I hope she gets the DP.

Off to clean up my house!! I have been stuck to this computer for days....Nice chatting with everyone. Hope to see you all soon on this case..and others!!
Unfortunately, the DP in California means that the taxpayers will be paying for the upkeep and "comfort" of the condemned for many, many years. We have so many on death row now it's getting overcrowded.

[StickyBeak]

So she went to police dept at 6pm, can anyone remember when they searched the church again last nite. Prob it happen at the church. Thats my guess.

The last twitter report I remember reading was FBI gone home from church it was around 10:30 - 11 est, so between 7 & 8 pm pst?

It seems to far from the pastors house to the church for Sanda to walk, and if it happened right after she walked out of video, makes me think it happened by the pastors home JMO

[juliekan]

Now that Melissa is under arrest and sitting in a jail cell, the investigators can go home to their families and hug their children.

I am stunned that she is considered the only suspect and no other arrests are anticipated. What the heck did she do to poor Sandra?????

I just re-watched this on TV, and Sheneman's voice when asked about motive is incredulous...he says "I couldn't begin to even theorize what her motive was." I think this is going to be a bizarre story.

[steffaroob4]

Actually no it doesn't. Do u guys want this to be a murder??

No, but why would the FBI want to study a case that was an accident?
I can also recall LE stating that the murder weapon has NOT be located yet, just my opinion.

[GentleBreeze]

This is so bizarre that she would kill Sandra. IMO there is a strong possibility this was accidental. Here is why:

1. Sandra goes to Melissa's home to play with Melissa's daughter.
2. Melissa allegedly has a past that includes random acts of theft which is an indicator of possible drug use.
3. While at the home Sandra accidentally ingests some type of drug.
4. This is why we are waiting on toxicology reports.
5. Police spokesman said one of the reasons she was arrested is tips from the community possibly Melissa's aqaintences who knew she did drugs.
6. Melissa panics when Sandra dies in the home and the only thing she can think of to get Sandra out is a suitcase.

Since they have charged her with kidnapping and murder I don't think the evidence is showing that it was an accident but just the opposite.

imo

[bearwds]

The farm workers that reported the bag

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I hate to be cynical but a lot of farmworkers up here don't have a green card or social security card.

DeSusa found out what type of scrutiny comes from reporting a crime in the Spector case.


bearwds

[Anakerie]

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Tuesday @ 1:30...but that may change. Will be at County seat as Tracy only does traffic tickets.

Suitcase... Belief that she hauled it to the ditch herself.

No other POI's or arrests contemplated.


bearwds
It's been a few years since I had to go down to Tracy but if I remember right, the courthouse was very small. But back then, Tracy was pretty much a "small town" and they didn't need a big courthouse.

[aproudmom]

The farm workers that reported the bag

You know I hope they take it did he say they wanted to talk to them again..it is very kind for them to not want it but they did help in bringing her home...imo

[Mamie]

This is so bizarre that she would kill Sandra. IMO there is a strong possibility this was accidental. Here is why:

1. Sandra goes to Melissa's home to play with Melissa's daughter.
2. Melissa alledgedly has a past that includes random acts of theft which is an indicator of possible drug use.
3. While at the home Sandra accidentally ingests some type of drug.
4. This is why we are waiting on toxicology reports.
5. Police spokesman said one of the reasons she was arrested is tips from the community possibly Melissa's aqaintences who knew she did drugs.
6. Melissa panics when Sandra dies in the home and the only thing she can think of to get Sandra out is a suitcase.

The grandparents were home at the time, and mobile homes are not that big or soundproof so how does she hide the body without one of them knowing it? And anyway, it appears there is more evidence at the church where the murder took place, not at the mobile home. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

I just re-watched this on TV, and Sheneman's voice when asked about motive is incredulous...he says "I couldn't begin to even theorize what her motive was." I think this is going to be a bizarre story.

ITA!

I think they do know the motive but they just cant wrap their minds around the motive.

imo

[Dunlurken]

Wow, her teacher? THUD! I'm speechless. I'm trying to read as fast as I can, but this is just crazy! Why would the teacher kill Sandra and not her own child? Am I missing something? JMO.

[juliekan]

I don't know if she confessed, but Sheneman said that when they were talking to her, she was calm, and then very emotional, then calm again, and then became resigned. So she knew they had her.

[aproudmom]

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I hate to be cynical but a lot of farmworkers up here don't have a green card or social security card.

DeSusa found out what type of scrutiny comes from reporting a crime in the Spector case.


bearwds

then let the owner have it and give it to them..

[KKKKKKatie]

The last twitter report I remember reading was FBI gone home from church it was around 10:30 - 11 est, so between 7 & 8 pm pst?

It seems to far from the pastors house to the church for Sanda to walk, and if it happened right after she walked out of video, makes me think it happened by the pastors home JMO


Just looked at twitter and it was posted 17 hours ago....so it was around 5:30 - 6:00pm...if my math is right LOL

[shadowdiana]

The FBI Behavioral Unit does not investigate "accidents"
MOO

[lunchlady]

Wow. The Sunday School Teacher and Mother of Her Best Friend did it? How creepy. What possible motive could she have besides complete insanity? Did Sandra not share the Barbies nicely or ask for too many snacks at their house?
In a way this is creepier than the usual sex predator murder. If this woman could murder an 8 year old girl then how can we keep our children safe at all? It will be interesting to see if other incidents of weird behavior come out during the legal process and press coverage.

[kitty1182]

then let the owner have it and give it to them..

Amen.............

[GentleBreeze]

Well, if she drugged her and then brought her to the church, whatever she had planned, it just doesn't seem likely that she intended to bring her home afterward. On the other hand, I suppose she could have accidentally overdosed her. But would that really count as an accident?

No that would not be considered an accident. It would be a crime.

imo

[KKKKKKatie]

The FBI Behavioral Unit does not investigate "accidents"
MOO


It sure doesn't! IMO

[Mamie]

That's very touching. You know the farm workers probably could use the money, too.

Yes, but if they're illegals, they probably don't want any extra attention, know what I mean?

[Dunlurken]

Wow. The Sunday School Teacher and Mother of Her Best Friend did it? How creepy. What possible motive could she have besides complete insanity? Did Sandra not share the Barbies nicely or ask for too many snacks at their house?
In a way this is creepier than the usual sex predator murder. If this woman could murder an 8 year old girl then how can we keep our children safe at all? It will be interesting to see if other incidents of weird behavior come out during the legal process and press coverage.

Sunday school teacher? Thanks for clarifying that. Good Lord! No sarcasm intended. Dayum! JMO.

[dinojen]

I don't know if she confessed, but Sheneman said that when they were talking to her, she was calm, and then very emotional, then calm again, and then became resigned. So she knew they had her.

IMO they knew they had her when they called her and asked her to come down to answer some questions... :wink: And she fell for it..

[kitty1182]

I noticed when the Sgt was asked about MH's daughter, if she was still at the house, he said he could not comment....I figure she is somewhere else now...

[GentleBreeze]

The FBI Behavioral Unit does not investigate "accidents"
MOO

I think she is going to be one for the record books.

imo

[Lady_Jean_La]

Yes, but if they're illegals, they probably don't want any extra attention, know what I mean?

Yes. :rose:

[aproudmom]

I don't know if she confessed, but Sheneman said that when they were talking to her, she was calm, and then very emotional, then calm again, and then became resigned. So she knew they had her.

but they seem to know so much that if someone just said I am not guilty they would not have that much...he knows he teared up when ask about her murder..don't know if she told the truth and nothing but the truth but she did give them enough or she would not be there for murder or kidnapping imo

but with kidnapping all you have to do is move a person 1 foot and it is kidnapping.

[KKKKKKatie]

Yes, but if they're illegals, they probably don't want any extra attention, know what I mean?


but to follow that logic....would they have even reported the suitcase and stayed around for LE to arrive?

I really don't care....I am just so happy that they did all the right things....reported and didn't move it. Bless them!

[5boxersmom]

Did he say she lived in Southern Ca. at one time?

[merical]

I have a few questions...I still question whether or not this monster had help, even if it was just help hiding evidence. How did she know where to hide the body? LE made a comment at one point (can't remember when) that he didn't even know that the retention pond was THERE. If this girl is from So. California, how did she know where it was? How did she know she wouldn't be caught disposing of the body out there? It's on private property! I still think somebody helped her. There is a reason that these other mobile homes were searched, etc.

Second, I want to know where her five year old is. Mommy is in custody, grandpa and grandma are fairly elderly, not to mention that this poor kid may have information about the death and there could be other people who would like to keep her quiet so as not to be implicated.

If this monster could kill Sandra, what has she done to her own child? I hope her child is getting the support and protection that she needs, poor thing.

[Anakerie]

Just looked at twitter and it was posted 17 hours ago....so it was around 5:30 - 6:00pm...if my math is right LOL

When I watched the 6pm news last night (I'm sort of local, my "local" news stations are the same ones that the city of Tracy gets. It would take me about 2 or 2-1/2 hours to drive down to Tracy.) they had a live update with a female reporter standing out in front of the church. At that point she said that LE had just left the church about 10 or 15 minutes before the newscast started.

[KKKKKKatie]

Did he say she lived in Southern Ca. at one time?

Yes boxer...from what I could find she lived in La Habra in Orange County. Looks like that is where her parents live also IMO

[VC2]

Was thinking the same thing.. he didn't come out and say she confessed..but sure sounds like that's what she did.

Wonder what is in her background that he can't comment about?

i think he just likes saying "i can't comment" because her criminal background is or should be public record. He certainly wouldn't be giving away a secret if he said she had been on probation.

IMO

[BeetlebrowII]

No, but why would the FBI want to study a case that was an accident?
I can also recall LE stating that the murder weapon has NOT be located yet, just my opinion.

Maybe to to find out what she did after Sandra was dead?

[aproudmom]

I noticed when the Sgt was asked about MH's daughter, if she was still at the house, he said he could not comment....I figure she is somewhere else now...

omg I bet they are all out of there for a few days anyway..people are angry.even though I think she took her to the church and that is were she killed her

[kitty1182]

Got to go for awhile...See ya'll later...:smile:

[Mamie]

Actually no it doesn't. Do u guys want this to be a murder??

Do you want to white-wash it?

[5boxersmom]

Yes boxer...from what I could find she lived in La Habra in Orange County. Looks like that is where her parents live also IMO

Ok thanks. Has anyone searched the court records there for her?

[KKKKKKatie]

I read that the killer graduated from a Tracy high school. It sounds like she grew up there.

When I looked her up on intelius it shows
Manteca, CA
Cypress, CA
La Habra, CA

Would she go to Tracy HS if she lived in Manteca?

[March2009]

I believe that's the Target incident they are talking about.

Wonder where her parents are?

The Target crime took place in San Joaquin County back in November which is Northern California. In 2006 she was also convicted of petty theft in Bellflower, Ca which is in Southern California (Octomom had her babies at Kaiser in Bellflower, Ca)

http://cbs2.com/local/murder.kidnapping.arrest.2.982569.html

Huckaby was recently convicted for petty theft in San Joaquin County, and was scheduled to appear in court on April 17 to check in with a county mental health program as part of a three-year probation sentence.

According to court records, Huckaby had claimed she was not mentally competent to stand trial in the case. The judge ordered her to be examined by physicians. Later, it was determined that she was competent and she pleaded no contest.

In an interview with the local newspaper on Friday, Huckaby said someone else by the same name was charged for the November theft from a Target store.

Huckaby was also convicted by Superior Court in Los Angeles County in November of 2006 for a petty theft in Bellflower, records showed.

[aproudmom]

Maybe to to find out what she did after Sandra was dead?

went to ICU didnt she

[KKKKKKatie]

Ok thanks. Has anyone searched the court records there for her?


I have but haven't found a site (even gov) where you don't have to pay for the records :rolleyes:

[dinojen]

Did he say she lived in Southern Ca. at one time?

Scroll down this page and you will see she lived in So. CA several places. Then she is listed in Tracy. Lists her parents and siblings...

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?CMP=Google&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=free+head+terms&utm_campaign=head+terms&mt=b&processed=1

Just look for the Melissa Chantel Lawless 28


Kind of scarey you can find this on the internet.. afraid to put my own name in there...:w00t:

[StickyBeak]

Yes, but if they're illegals, they probably don't want any extra attention, know what I mean?
They could probably donate to KFN and no one would tell a soul,:cursing: But I think you are right Mamie, I once went to give a paid raffel ticket to someone illegal and they thanked me profusely with NO, NO.

God Bless their hearts for finding Sanda

[dinojen]

I have but haven't found a site (even gov) where you don't have to pay for the records :rolleyes:

Going to look for it now.. will post when I find it.. but doubt it will be updated on the weekend.. going to go find will post if I find it.

[juliekan]

After rewinding and increasing the volume on the tv 3 times, I heard this: did she try to kill herself? response: I can't, uh, I don't know.

also, "I have significant details that I can't release" (about her criminal background.)

[steffaroob4]

Maybe to to find out what she did after Sandra was dead?

Then why was she telling a reporter about some strange story of another event with a missing child? How can one mother have such bad luck, that doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

Seems odd, too odd.:confused:

[Amy Thist]

I have been out all ot today and just flipped on my computer and saw this. I am just, I cannot find words.:sad: When I have more time I'll read the rest of this thread to find out some details. that poor child.

[aproudmom]

The Target crime took place in San Joaquin County back in November which is Northern California. In 2006 she was also convicted of petty theft in Bellflower, Ca which is in Southern California (Octomom had her babies at Kaiser in Bellflower, Ca)

http://cbs2.com/local/murder.kidnapping.arrest.2.982569.html

Huckaby was recently convicted for petty theft in San Joaquin County, and was scheduled to appear in court on April 17 to check in with a county mental health program as part of a three-year probation sentence.

According to court records, Huckaby had claimed she was not mentally competent to stand trial in the case. The judge ordered her to be examined by physicians. Later, it was determined that she was competent and she pleaded no contest.

In an interview with the local newspaper on Friday, Huckaby said someone else by the same name was charged for the November theft from a Target store.

Huckaby was also convicted by Superior Court in Los Angeles County in November of 2006 for a petty theft in Bellflower, records showed.

why was she even in the church with a record she sure did not turn her lie of crime into a life of GOD. guess she stole her own luggage

[5boxersmom]

Scroll down this page and you will see she lived in So. CA several places. Then she is listed in Tracy. Lists her parents and siblings...

http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?CMP=Google&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=free+head+terms&utm_campaign=head+terms&mt=b&processed=1

Just look for the Melissa Chantel Lawless 28


Kind of scarey you can find this on the internet.. afraid to put my own name in there...:w00t:

Yeah no kidding.

Does anyone know how long she has lived in Tracy?

[bearwds]

Only going on a guess here...

Sandra was killed and stuffed in suitcase in the shed next to the church.

According to PIO, church was "500 yards" from MH. I had heard it was 900 yards but his statement was update at presser.

To fit in suitcase, she had to be "bent in half"...was what I heard.


bearwds

[Mamie]

but to follow that logic....would they have even reported the suitcase and stayed around for LE to arrive?

I really don't care....I am just so happy that they did all the right things....reported and didn't move it. Bless them!


Surely they looked inside of it----I'm thinking that's a given, otherwise why even report it. I am thinking they reported it because most of them are probably fathers and this was a child. Just because they are illegals (if that's the case) it doesn't mean they don't have a heart.

Sure they would stay around for LE, I mean LE is just going to take their names and addresses, they aren't going to ask for their green cards, or SS#'s. But Sund-Carrington would ask for the SS#'s.

I agree with you, that I'm happy they did report it. Bless their hearts indeed! JMO

[aproudmom]

Then why was she telling a reporter about some strange story of another event with a missing child? How can one mother have such bad luck, that doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

Seems odd, too odd.:confused:

can you tell me what that was about it cut off on me when the media had her on the phone so missed the whole deal with the kid

[GentleBreeze]

I am not sure what you are getting at. Why would this rule out and accident with a cover up? :confused:

I would think since she resigned herself in talks with LE means she knows they know she kidnapped and murdered Sandra.

I think the evidence found and collected supports a charge of kidnapping and murder and doesn't support an accident.

imo

[March2009]

She was not at the first vigil, but witnesses say she was at the 2nd. He did not see her though.

That gave me the chills. I'm speechless. :sad:

[KKKKKKatie]

Going to look for it now.. will post when I find it.. but doubt it will be updated on the weekend.. going to go find will post if I find it.


thanks dino...you are soooo much better at it than I am!

[KKKKKKatie]

Then why was she telling a reporter about some strange story of another event with a missing child? How can one mother have such bad luck, that doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

Seems odd, too odd.:confused:

That Mother must be hugging her child like crazy today!

[aproudmom]

Surely they looked inside of it----I'm thinking that's a given, otherwise why even report it. I am thinking they reported it because most of them are probably fathers and this was a child. Just because they are illegals (if that's the case) it doesn't mean they don't have a heart.

Sure they would stay around for LE, I mean LE is just going to take their names and addresses, they aren't going to ask for their green cards, or SS#'s. But Sund-Carrington would ask for the SS#'s.

I agree with you, that I'm happy they did report it. Bless their hearts indeed! JMO

I agree they would be talking to them and they did pull it to the side and called LE right away...so I for one am not even going to go with the whole illegals..I know it goes on but we dont know they could be legal and feel they just did the right thing...jmo

[steffaroob4]

can you tell me what that was about it cut off on me when the media had her on the phone so missed the whole deal with the kid

That is what I want to know. There were rumors of something similar yesterday saying something about a child being drugged, could that have been the rest of her story? Seems like a pretty wild story to me, that her grandparents would have to call her to bring that child home, I find that VERY odd. I sure hope if that story is true that the grandparents to LE that from the start, that sure is something LE would like to have known.

[GentleBreeze]

Surely they looked inside of it----I'm thinking that's a given, otherwise why even report it. I am thinking they reported it because most of them are probably fathers and this was a child. Just because they are illegals (if that's the case) it doesn't mean they don't have a heart.

Sure they would stay around for LE, I mean LE is just going to take their names and addresses, they aren't going to ask for their green cards, or SS#'s. But Sund-Carrington would ask for the SS#'s.

I agree with you, that I'm happy they did report it. Bless their hearts indeed! JMO

Why would they look inside? I certainly wouldn't especially knowing that a child was missing. Who would want to see something that heartbreaking? I think they knew they were not to open the bag and I am so glad they didn't and did the right thing.

imo

[VC2]

Although LE cannot begin to theorize what the motive could be (their wording) it appears that Huckaby did give some sort of confession. LE did not say she confessed, it's just my reading in between the lines. They would not say where the murder happened but they have proof of where it happened. (Also my interpretation that it probably happened in the church or on church property.) Suitcase that was missing of Huckaby's was the suitcase Sandra was found in. LE speculated early on that it was probably a male that did this, statistically speaking very small percentage of females do this, per FBI. FBI will continue to examine this case. LE has not spoken to grandparents since the arrest of their granddaughter.

LE says they anticipate no other arrests in this case.

I think this was the gist of everything in the PC.

proof of where it happened? that makes me think trauma on the body, unless its just the loss of bodily fluids at death.

imo

[KKKKKKatie]

That other woman lives in Manteca.

Here's what it says in this Tracy Press article:

Huckaby, a West High School graduate......

Isn't West High School where they will be holding the public memorial?

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Breaking%20news-%20ARREST%20=&id=2300718-Breaking+news-+ARREST&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

thanks Cavie....so the other (poor) lady has the middle initial of "C" (Chantal) also??? If so...poor thing! I feel really bad for her :sad:

[steffaroob4]

Hang on here just a dang minute...I missed this somewhere in the translation...

Are you saying that this woman was telling a reporter about ANOTHER case/story of a missing person?

Oh this is just too much even for my arm chair lifestyle.

This is truly beyond comprehension.

That is what I got from the cell phone interview.

Does someone have that link handy??? Maybe I should listen to it again.

[KKKKKKatie]

Surely they looked inside of it----I'm thinking that's a given, otherwise why even report it. I am thinking they reported it because most of them are probably fathers and this was a child. Just because they are illegals (if that's the case) it doesn't mean they don't have a heart.

Sure they would stay around for LE, I mean LE is just going to take their names and addresses, they aren't going to ask for their green cards, or SS#'s. But Sund-Carrington would ask for the SS#'s.

I agree with you, that I'm happy they did report it. Bless their hearts indeed! JMO


LE stated they all they did was drag it over to the side....they did not open it. They called LE

No link so IMO

[oodi]

Is it just me??? Or did Sheneman seem to choke up when the reporter asked how soon after Sandra was last seen on the video did they think she was killed? It seemed to me that it took a lot for him to choke out "Very soon."

[steffaroob4]

That is what I got from the cell phone interview.

Does someone have that link handy??? Maybe I should listen to it again.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2009/04/11/BANH1713V5.DTL&o=6

[dinojen]

Can't remember which court they said she would be arraigned at.. I know it's not Tracy as theirs is so small... can't remember if he said Stockton or Manteca.. when he told the reporters to check the courts website.. will have to keep looking around.

Here's the link for Stockton.. will have to get the one for Manteca too.

http://www.stocktoncourt.org/

[KKKKKKatie]

Can't remember which court they said she would be arraigned at.. I know it's not Tracy as theirs is so small... can't remember if he said Stockton or Manteca.. when he told the reporters to check the courts website.. will have to keep looking around.

Here's the link for Stockton.. will have to get the one for Manteca too.

http://www.stocktoncourt.org/

they said Manteca. Can you find a court records site for Orange County, CA that is free? I am trying to find out what happened down here (other than traffic tickets....those I can find)

[Anakerie]

In one of my earlier posts I was pondering just what it would have been that would have lead the police to the church immediately after finding the suitcase especially when no one had been arrested yet.

I guessed at that point that something in the background of those child porn photos might have looked like something they found in the suitcase.

Again I'm guessing but I would say this dimwit had help. I think the reason we bring up mental health issues when talking about this type of crime as it relates to females is because we simply cannot imagine any other excuse as to why a female would do something like this.

Unlike men, women do not have that lustful drive for sexual crimes so there has to be another motivating factor.

Betting dollars to donuts here that there's man involved in the mix.

And a camera.

Sick, sick, sick.
If there were evidence of another person involved, the PIO wouldn't have said that Melissa is the only suspect and that no other arrests are anticipated.

It is mind boggling to me just to think that this woman kidnapped and murdered a child. I'll say it again; What the he77 did she do to Sandra?

[shadowdiana]

Maybe to to find out what she did after Sandra was dead?

The local authorities can and will do that.
The Behavioral Science Unit is a very elite unit;
that they have requested to further interview MH shows that it was murder, and it was intentional. IMO

They don't waste their time with an "Oops!" type of death

[Mamie]

Why would they look inside? I certainly wouldn't especially knowing that a child was missing. Who would want to see something that heartbreaking? I think they knew they were not to open the bag and I am so glad they didn't and did the right thing.

imo

But we DON'T KNOW that they didn't open the suitcase. Human nature (more with men than with women) takes over and your curiosity would make you want to unzip it to see what was inside. A missing child for a week and a half or however long it was might not be the first thing that comes to their mind when finding a suitcase. Money in the suitcase comes to mind, clothing, possibly with jewelry comes to mind, but not a body. If they didn't look inside, why would they call LE? JMO

[ortiga]

"When Sandra arrived home - around 4 p.m., according to a surveillance camera attached to her house - she talked about going to church and a movie with her two older sisters, her grandfather said.

When the girls realized they didn't have enough money to go to a movie, Sandra left again to play, Chavez said."

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090331/A_NEWS02/903310332/-1/A_NEWS
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Was there ever anything else published about going to church and a movie? Was the movie at the church?

[KKKKKKatie]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2009/04/11/BANH1713V5.DTL&o=6

thats it steff...the phone interview with her. It cuts off tho :cursing:

[5boxersmom]

I wonder if it some kind of revenge killing. Someone mentioned the cats and the grandfather. I wonder if Sandra's mother was dating someone that MH wanted?

Or heck maybe Sandra broke something and it made MH mad.

It is just so hard to tell.

imo

[Anakerie]

Is it just me??? Or did Sheneman seem to choke up when the reporter asked how soon after Sandra was last seen on the video did they think she was killed? It seemed to me that it took a lot for him to choke out "Very soon."
It's not just you, oodi... I got the impression that he choked up too... Several times during that PC, in fact.

[KKKKKKatie]

It's not just you, oodi... I got the impression that he choked up too... Several times during that PC, in fact.


I saw it too :sad:

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't know what the other woman's middle initial is. I was just pointing out that the other Huckaby woman lives in Manteca.


thanks.....

[5boxersmom]

they said Manteca. Can you find a court records site for Orange County, CA that is free? I am trying to find out what happened down here (other than traffic tickets....those I can find)

Riverwalk told me last night she has the service that she paid for. Maybe she will come along and look it up for us.

[aproudmom]

I would think since she resigned herself in talks with LE means she knows they know she kidnapped and murdered Sandra.

I think the evidence found and collected supports a charge of kidnapping and murder and doesn't support an accident.

imo

I agree don't think it was a accident I guess if she was drugged and overdosed then some may call that a accident not me just like when you get in a car drunk and kill someone it is not a accident it is murder with a deadly weapon..imo

if you think about it they could charge her with a lot more...child abuse,disposing of a corpse body....what ever it is called cant remember..in CA do they have murder 1 and just murder? I know with murder 1 there has to be litigating factors.

[KKKKKKatie]

Riverwalk told me last night she has the service that she paid for. Maybe she will come along and look it up for us.

Thanks boxer!

[KaraokeDiva]

If there were proof of another person involved, the PIO wouldn't have said that Melissa is the only suspect and that no other arrests are anticipated.

It is mind boggling to me just to think that this woman kidnapped and murdered a child. I'll say it again; What the he77 did she do to Sandra?

Like many I had expected someone else to be involved with this woman when I heard of her arrest.... It's so unusual for a woman to murder an unrelated child like this. Has LE hinted at any motive?

Sorry if this question has been answered...I'm just now catching up with the news.

[March2009]

they said Manteca. Can you find a court records site for Orange County, CA that is free? I am trying to find out what happened down here (other than traffic tickets....those I can find)


She had a petty theft conviction in 2006 that happened in Bellflower. So far that is the only one I have seen for So Cal.

[oodi]

It's not just you, oodi... I got the impression that he choked up too... Several times during that PC, in fact.

That tells me that whatever was done to Sandra was probably far worse than we can imagine.

As for any kind of motive, I dunno... the only thing that comes to mind at the moment, is maybe Sandra came over a lot to see if MH's daughter could play. Maybe MH became so annoyed that she flipped out. :confused:

Just a guess on my part, but I can remember when my kids were young, and becoming annoyed at kids that continued to ring the bell to see if they could play... AFTER they had already been told that they couldn't play that day for whatever reason. Of course, I never became so annoyed that I would harm them, but...

[aproudmom]

Riverwalk told me last night she has the service that she paid for. Maybe she will come along and look it up for us.

yeah she did I was on of course..lol..

[dinojen]

She was booked into custody at 3:25 a.m. Saturday at San Joaquin County Jail, in French Camp, where she is being held without bail. Her arraignment will be at 1:30 p.m. Tuesday at the Manteca branch of the San Joaquin County Superior Court.


Phew.. my brain died on me so had to google and see what they said.. where the arraignment would be.. it's in Manteca.. that's what I thought. Stockton is further away.

Will keep this link in my favorites for Tuesday...

http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/news.htm



That's the link that will give you press releases about the court.

The first on on there is about the Judge presiding over the Tracy Teen Torture case...so must be the right place..

Will check it again tomorrow or later today,:wink:

[KKKKKKatie]

Like many I had expected someone else to be involved with this woman when I heard of her arrest.... It's so unusual for a woman to murder an unrelated child like this. Has LE hinted at any motive?

Sorry if this question has been answered...I'm just now catching up with the news.


No...not even a hint from LE

[Anakerie]

Like many I had expected someone else to be involved with this woman when I heard of her arrest.... It's so unusual for a woman to murder an unrelated child like this. Has LE hinted at any motive?

Sorry if this question has been answered...I'm just now catching up with the news.

During the press conference, the PIO was asked about the motive and he responded that he couldn't comment on that. So, at this point, motive is up to our imaginations. I doubt if we'll even hear about motive at the arraignment this week.

[KKKKKKatie]

yeah she did I was on of course..lol..


Well go get her...would ya! :tonguewag:

[Mamie]

LE stated they all they did was drag it over to the side....they did not open it. They called LE

No link so IMO


You are correct, that's what LE stated alright. I'm not disputing what they stated. In fact, I'm not disputing anything at all. LE does not care if they opened the suitcase just a little enough to tell what was in it. LE is grateful, as we are, that they even called them. Bless them for doing that. But ask yourself why would they call LE for finding a suitcase that was just heavy and drag it over to the side? After all the crud that is found in ponds and drainage ditches from our littering society, I don't think you can say with conviction that they didn't open the suitcase enough to know what was in there.

But trust me, LE does not care if they opened the suitcase. They probably asked them and maybe they denied it. Then again, if they admitted to it, LE probably said that it was good that they called them and they did the right thing. The public or anyone else does not have to know, really, that they opened the suitcase. It's just curiosity and human nature to do so. JMO

[aproudmom]

That tells me that whatever was done to Sandra was probably far worse than we can imagine.

As for any kind of motive, I dunno... the only thing that comes to mind at the moment, is maybe Sandra came over a lot to see if MH's daughter could play. Maybe MH became so annoyed that she flipped out. :confused:

Just a guess on my part, but I can remember when my kids were young, and becoming annoyed at kids that continued to ring the bell to see if they could play... AFTER they had already been told that they couldn't play that day for whatever reason. Of course, I never became so annoyed that I would harm them, but...

I said the same thing he seemed to be more emotional today I seen him tear up just could not hear the questions I hate it why does the media not have mics on them also I had my speakers up to my ears

[March2009]

I'm sure someone would be willing to pay.

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/criminalindex/index.asp

[AmndaRcknwth]

That is what I got from the cell phone interview.

Does someone have that link handy??? Maybe I should listen to it again.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=cliffhangervidnoending001.flv

It stops before melissa finishes. The last thing she is satrting to say is the cops came at 2am to.... to what?

[KKKKKKatie]

I said the same thing he seemed to be more emotional today I seen him tear up just could not hear the questions I hate it why does the media not have mics on them also I had my speakers up to my ears


I'm sure some of it was lack of sleep...he said he had been up for 36 hours. Poor guy! :sad:

[steffaroob4]

Huckaby told NBC Bay Area reporter Jodi Hernandez (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sunday-School-Teacher-Arrested-In-Cantu-Murder-Case.html)Friday that a Eddie Bauer black and gray suitcase had been stolen from her driveway the day Sandra disappeared. She said it was filled with scrap booking supplies. She also said that she found a note near the Cantu home the night after the child's disappearance that had the words, "Cantu," "water," and "suitcase" along with the name of the street where Sandra's body was found.



I don't see anything about another child missing, I thought this was the station that the reportrer on the cell phone was talking about, that had the scoop on the other child indindent.:confused:


HERE IT IS

interesting video (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Woman_Questioned_in_Tracy_Kidnapping_Speaks_Bay_Ar ea.html) eeek, she feels LE could have found her earlier

[Anakerie]

I imagine there would have been the odor of death. If they knew a child in the area was missing, they could have been afraid there was a body and called police.
I'm sure those farm workers knew there was a child missing. From what my friend down there has told me, the whole community knew and a lot of them were out searching for her..... Tracy may be a fairly good sized city, but they seem to still have the small town attitude. The word spread pretty fast that one of their children was in trouble.....

[KaraokeDiva]

During the press conference, the PIO was asked about the motive and he responded that he couldn't comment on that. So, at this point, motive is up to our imaginations. I doubt if we'll even hear about motive at the arraignment this week.Thanks for the response...you too, KKKKatie.

It's just so baffling... Even if I don't really understand it, at least I can label a murder by a sexual predator. It's hard to find a label to fit this one. :(

[StickyBeak]

If there were evidence of another person involved, the PIO wouldn't have said that Melissa is the only suspect and that no other arrests are anticipated.

It is mind boggling to me just to think that this woman kidnapped and murdered a child. I'll say it again; What the he77 did she do to Sandra?

I thought PIO said no other suspects In This Case. Now the earlier comments about this case being Far reaching, fogot exact wording, to me seems they have uncovered a whole lot of evidence into other possible cases. Sanda's may not have died in vain, perhaps what they found has the potential to save many other children. Trying to find some good out this horrific lost of young life. All moo

[Mamie]

I imagine there would have been the odor of death. If they knew a child in the area was missing, they could have been afraid there was a body and called police.


I thought of that too but do not know if submerged in water how strong the odor would be. Still sticking to my curiosity theory. JMO

[oodi]

I said the same thing he seemed to be more emotional today I seen him tear up just could not hear the questions I hate it why does the media not have mics on them also I had my speakers up to my ears

I had the volume up as loud as it would go, and I could hardly hear it, so then I plugged the headphones in, which helped a lot. Still couldn't hear most of the reporter's questions, though.

[KKKKKKatie]

I thought PIO said no other suspects In This Case. Now the earlier comments about this case being Far reaching, fogot exact wording, to me seems they have uncovered a whole lot of evidence into other possible cases. Sanda's may not have died in vain, perhaps what they found has the potential to save many other children. Trying to find some good out this horrific lost of young life. All moo


It was confusing to me because after she said that about far reaching she went on to talk about how LE has heard from ppl all over the country. So was that what she meant????

[dinojen]

Was just reading Tracy Press's latest update...

Huckaby, a West High School graduate, lives with her grandparents, Clifford Lane Lawless and Connie Lawless, in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where Sandra lived.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Breaking%20news-%20ARREST%20=&id=2300718-Breaking+news-+ARREST&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


So I'm thinking OMG.. they confused this poor other woman with this Melissa Huckaby also...

Then I began reading some of the comments.. well people are posting that they know her that they went to school with her.. so maybe she is the Melissa Chantel Huckaby that went to West High School...:confused:

Her married name is Huckaby.. her maiden name is Lawless...

Will the real Melissa Lawless Huckaby please stand up and stop confusing us..:huh:

[daHawg]

I imagine there would have been the odor of death. If they knew a child in the area was missing, they could have been afraid there was a body and called police.
Plus not only that wasn't the pond empty and just recently filled like a week before she went missing and nothing had been there. So when it was drained for irrigation and now there is a missing girl and a suitcase that wasn't there right before she went missing the last time the pond was empty it's not that hard to say hmmmmmmmmm and just alert LE to something suspicious especially in a small town.

[March2009]

http://visionweb.occourts.org/Vision_Public/SearchCase.do#searchResults


I did a search on Melissa Chantel Huckaby with the birthday of 2/23/1981 and it brought back 2 minor traffic offenses. Nothing big! That was in Orange County.

The petty theft was LA County and I am not willing to pay to run a search on her records. I posted the link a few minutes ago if anyone is interested.

[dinojen]

Home Search By Name List Inmates by Last Name Recent Bookings FAQs

All charges and bails shown for arrested/in custody persons represent the most recent information known to the Sheriff's Department. As individuals move through the judicial process, charges and bail amounts may change.

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Inmate Information

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Inmate Name: HUCKABY, MELISSA

Aliases: HUCKABY, MELISSA CHANTEL

Booking Number: 09-09082

Date of Birth: 02/23/1981

Gender: Female

Height: 5'03"

Weight: 125

Visiting: 24 Hour Lobby Visiting

Mailing Address:

Mailing Information HUCKABY, MELISSA / 09-09082

San Joaquin County Jail

999 West Mathews Road

French Camp, CA 95231

Booking Date/Time: 04/11/2009 at 03:25 AM

Projected Release Date: None

Arresting Agency: TRACY POLICE DEPARTMENT

Type of Arrest:

Charges/Bail: Case# Pending (00) - No Bail

PC 187 Felony

MURDER

PC 187(A) Felony

MURDER

PC 207(A) Felony

KIDNAPPING





Total Bail: Bail not Allowed

Next Court Date: 04/14/2009 at 01:30 PM

Court Location & Department: Manteca Branch Department: I

[steffaroob4]

Bizarre, she said LE told her narcotics (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Woman_Questioned_in_Tracy_Kidnapping_Speaks_Bay_Ar ea.html) were found in other child???

This is so weird.

[aproudmom]

You are correct, that's what LE stated alright. I'm not disputing what they stated. In fact, I'm not disputing anything at all. LE does not care if they opened the suitcase just a little enough to tell what was in it. LE is grateful, as we are, that they even called them. Bless them for doing that. But ask yourself why would they call LE for finding a suitcase that was just heavy and drag it over to the side? After all the crud that is found in ponds and drainage ditches from our littering society, I don't think you can say with conviction that they didn't open the suitcase enough to know what was in there.

But trust me, LE does not care if they opened the suitcase. They probably asked them and maybe they denied it. Then again, if they admitted to it, LE probably said that it was good that they called them and they did the right thing. The public or anyone else does not have to know, really, that they opened the suitcase. It's just curiosity and human nature to do so. JMO

I have no doubt LE knew a body was in there for one they did not just throw it around like a soggy peice of luggage they put her ina body bag carried her out and put her little body on a stretcher..they knew or had a pretty good idea it was a soft luggage right..the workers not sure I would think they would have knew since that is why they called LE you could tell I am sure she was not like little caylee all bones every where she was dressed had her earrings in one report I heard she did have her flip flops on..jmo

[oodi]

I thought of that too but do not know if submerged in water how strong the odor would be. Still sticking to my curiosity theory. JMO

My son is on the Specialized Trauma and Rescue unit for an ambulance company, so he has had to deal with similar scenarios. He said the that the odor would be strong, and the farmworkers probably knew the suitcase contained a body.

[Mamie]

During the press conference, the PIO was asked about the motive and he responded that he couldn't comment on that. So, at this point, motive is up to our imaginations. I doubt if we'll even hear about motive at the arraignment this week.

Actually at one point he said, "She did not provide us with one." And then at another point when asked, he responded with, "I couldn't begin to even theorize what her motive is."

Right, I don't think we'll hear about motive at the arraignment either.

I think he's still stunned at the whole unfolding of this case. JMO

[bearwds]

I'm sure some of it was lack of sleep...he said he had been up for 36 hours. Poor guy! :sad:

****************************

......and, he was going home to his kids.

Emotional during Presser. Agree.


bearwds

[bama__angel]

My son is on the Specialized Trauma and Rescue unit for an ambulance company, so he has had to deal with similar scenarios. He said the that the odor would be strong, and the farmworkers probably knew the suitcase contained a body.



I totally agree with your son......Very strong decomp smell combined with water smell....I believe sweet little Sandra was in the water very shortly after she was killed on the 27th.....IMO

[aproudmom]

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Inmate Name: HUCKABY, MELISSA

Aliases: HUCKABY, MELISSA CHANTEL

Booking Number: 09-09082

Date of Birth: 02/23/1981

Gender: Female

Height: 5'03"

Weight: 125

Visiting: 24 Hour Lobby Visiting

Mailing Address:

Mailing Information HUCKABY, MELISSA / 09-09082

San Joaquin County Jail

999 West Mathews Road

French Camp, CA 95231

Booking Date/Time: 04/11/2009 at 03:25 AM

Projected Release Date: None

Arresting Agency: TRACY POLICE DEPARTMENT

Type of Arrest:

Charges/Bail: Case# Pending (00) - No Bail

PC 187 Felony

MURDER

PC 187(A) Felony

MURDER

PC 207(A) Felony

KIDNAPPING





Total Bail: Bail not Allowed

Next Court Date: 04/14/2009 at 01:30 PM

Court Location & Department: Manteca Branch Department: I

2 counts of murder?

[Pinetree]

I think MH asked Sandra to go to the church with her...and, killed her at the church.

[KKKKKKatie]

http://visionweb.occourts.org/Vision_Public/SearchCase.do#searchResults


I did a search on Melissa Chantel Huckaby with the birthday of 2/23/1981 and it brought back 2 minor traffic offenses. Nothing big! That was in Orange County.

The petty theft was LA County and I am not willing to pay to run a search on her records. I posted the link a few minutes ago if anyone is interested.

Same thing I found

[Anakerie]

Plus not only that wasn't the pond empty and just recently filled like a week before she went missing and nothing had been there. So when it was drained for irrigation and now there is a missing girl and a suitcase that wasn't there right before she went missing the last time the pond was empty it's not that hard to say hmmmmmmmmm and just alert LE to something suspicious especially in a small town.

Yep, daHawg. I remember the media mentioning the fact that the pond is not full all the time... It's on a dairy, it's part of what they do to process the excrement produced by all those cows. The ponds are emptied and filled several times a year....

If the farmworkers knew that the pond area was empty (meaning no "luggage" in it) when they filled it and then the luggage was there when they emptied it, plus add in the fact that they most likely had heard there was a small child missing, the luggage appearing when they emptied the pond would be very suspicious. I am speculating that the farmworkers didn't open that suitcase.

[Mamie]

Ordinary people who smell death don't necessarily want to see it.

Maybe. But not in all cases.

[aproudmom]

THANK YOU so much for that link. I don't like asking for links because it makes me feel lazy.

That interview is CREEPY. HOW IN THE WORLD does anyone go about lying in such a cool and calm way????? She talks about the suitcase like it were nothing.

Now on to the really creepy part. SHE DOES start to talk about another incident.

She states that she was at a park, doesn't say when this occurred but states that she was at a park with one of her daughter's friends. Says the friend's mother was at work, the friend had asked her grandmother if it was ok to go play with them at the park and got permission.

While they were at the park, the grandmother reported the girl missing and police were actually called out!!

Then she's talking about how the police came to her door at about 2am and the video cuts out.

THIS is beyond belief...

Do you think????

That this is one of these really, really weird cases of "Munchausen by proxy"???

The kidnapping and murder subsituting for the illness of course and then the drama that follows gives her the adrenaline rush she is pathetically looking for???? CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE?

Did she kill this little girl just so she could watch the drama?

Oh this is too much.


http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html

I know I was listening and all of a sudden it went off

[StickyBeak]

It was confusing to me because after she said that about far reaching she went on to talk about how LE has heard from ppl all over the country. So was that what she meant????


Yeah that makes more sense. Oh well, thought I heard it put another way implying the amount of child porno sites uncovered because of this investigation. Comments made were hope they follow up the leads. JMO

[steffaroob4]

Since Huckaby brought up another incident, I wonder if she has killed before? They should check records on all unfound missing children in the Tracy area and in SC to see if any of them knew Huckaby.

Makes me wonder what would cause LE to test another child for drugs. I find that strange in itself.

[sunstar]

Hi everybody :smile: I just got through with my Easter shopping and totally missed the breaking news until I logged onto my home page at msnbc.com and saw the news!!!


Even though we were discussing her as a possibility last night I'm really shocked that a woman is the alleged killer of Sandra. :scared:

Since I'm so behind you all now catching up, did LE give any indication yet how Sandra was killed or why MH would've done it?

[KKKKKKatie]

Bizarre, she said LE told her narcotics (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Woman_Questioned_in_Tracy_Kidnapping_Speaks_Bay_Ar ea.html) were found in other child???

This is so weird.


so that was the end of the tape that was cut off. Boy....she really wanted to be caught IMO!

[Anakerie]

My son is on the Specialized Trauma and Rescue unit for an ambulance company, so he has had to deal with similar scenarios. He said the that the odor would be strong, and the farmworkers probably knew the suitcase contained a body.
I can't imagine what it must have smelled like. Especially considering the pond it was in is used for "processing" cow excrement... The ponds themselves must stink to high heavens too!

[shadowdiana]

187 and 187(A)

What's the difference in (A) and no "A"?


Not sure...maybe one is the actual murder charge, and (A) is death occurring while committing a felony (kidnapping) . ?

Any legal people here?

[starling]

Blink on Crime website has some very interesting sleuthing on this Melissa Huckaby..just the tip of the iceberg...if true. JMO
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/11/sandra-cantu-murder-melissa-huckaby-arrested/

[Ice Cycle]

No...not even a hint from LE

Yeah, I just can't think of a motive especially since that say it occurred right after the video. I still believe that she might of ran her down with her car and just tried to cover it up, probably on something. Especially since they have opened the church back up, I don't believe they would do that if they though she was killed there. I too wonder if she had help disposing of the body.

[KKKKKKatie]

2 counts of murder?

Under Typical usage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/187_(murder)

[Mamie]

I totally agree with your son......Very strong decomp smell combined with water smell....I believe sweet little Sandra was in the water very shortly after she was killed on the 27th.....IMO

But we're not talking about just water. Have you ever passed a dairy with all the cows and the smell? Decomp, although very strong and undesirable in odor, could be masked easily for a large part by all the discards from an active dairy. I lived in the central valley for a few years and drove every day from Chowchilla to Huron for work. I passed a few dairies along the way because I chose not to drive Hwy 99. It would take a lot of money to keep me employed on a dairy, let alone live close to one!!

[aproudmom]

Since Huckaby brought up another incident, I wonder if she has killed before? They should check records on all unfound missing children in the Tracy area and in SC to see if any of them knew Huckaby.

omg....:scared:

[baywench]

Yeah that makes more sense. Oh well, thought I heard it put another way implying the amount of child porno sites uncovered because of this investigation. Comments made were hope they follow up the leads. JMO

ITA. I don't think this is a porno ring or that she has killed before. Maybe one of those times where we are trying to apply sense to nonsense. Maybe just a senseless murder, sadly. Melissa sounds a little wacky to me, her perception of normal seems skewed to say the least. jmo

[playnice]

Trying to remember what NG said about felony murder in the CA case.

If I understand this right Melissa is charged with felony murder.


Definition of felony murder.

An unlawful homicide that occurs in the commission or attempted commission of a felony, which is considered first degree murder by operation of this doctrine. In many modern statutes, only homicides that occur in the course of certain specified felonies are "felony murders." See N.J.S.A. 2C: 11-3 (3). The evil mind or malice that is necessary to find someone guilty of murder is implied or imputed from the actor's intent to commit a felony. See 383 F. 2d 421, 426. For example, if someone burned down a warehouse and thereby committed arson, which resulted in the death of a person in the building, the arsonist is guilty of first degree murder ("felony murder") even if he did not know of the presence of the person and he had taken special precautions to try to avoid any loss of life. The harshness of this doctrine has led to a limitation of its use except against the person who actually committed the underlying felony. See Model Penal Code §§210.1 et seq.



So was there evidence that Melissa was attempting another crime when Sandras death occured or do I just not understand what Im typing about?:confused:

[bearwds]

I have a hard time getting my head around a 125# woman stuffing a suitcase and depositing it dozens of yards from the road to a water filled ditch.

Guess it could be done....LE says no other suspects.


bearwds

[KKKKKKatie]

Yeah that makes more sense. Oh well, thought I heard it put another way implying the amount of child porno sites uncovered because of this investigation. Comments made were hope they follow up the leads. JMO


It could be still be Sticky....I found it really confusing also

[Mamie]

I can't imagine what it must have smelled like. Especially considering the pond it was in is used for "processing" cow excrement... The ponds themselves must stink to high heavens too!

Yes they do! There is the smell of exrement plus urine and lots of it!

[KKKKKKatie]

Trying to remember what NG said about felony murder in the CA case.

If I understand this right Melissa is charged with felony murder.


Definition of felony murder.

An unlawful homicide that occurs in the commission or attempted commission of a felony, which is considered first degree murder by operation of this doctrine. In many modern statutes, only homicides that occur in the course of certain specified felonies are "felony murders." See N.J.S.A. 2C: 11-3 (3). The evil mind or malice that is necessary to find someone guilty of murder is implied or imputed from the actor's intent to commit a felony. See 383 F. 2d 421, 426. For example, if someone burned down a warehouse and thereby committed arson, which resulted in the death of a person in the building, the arsonist is guilty of first degree murder ("felony murder") even if he did not know of the presence of the person and he had taken special precautions to try to avoid any loss of life. The harshness of this doctrine has led to a limitation of its use except against the person who actually committed the underlying felony. See Model Penal Code §§210.1 et seq.



So was there evidence that Melissa was attempting another crime when Sandras death occured or do I just not understand what Im typing about?:confused:

It is probably the kidnapping

[sunstar]

Yeah, I just can't think of a motive especially since that say it occurred right after the video. I still believe that she might of ran her down with her car and just tried to cover it up, probably on something. Especially since they have opened the church back up, I don't believe they would do that if they though she was killed there. I too wonder if she had help disposing of the body.

But didn't LE say that the ME saw no visible signs of trauma to Sandra's body? If she'd been hit by a car, I would think there would be evidence on her clothing and broken bones, lacerations, etc. :confused:

[aproudmom]

Under Typical usage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/187_(murder)

wont let me in to see it

[StickyBeak]

2 counts of murder?

I saw that, Good Lord, could it be true or a typo

[aproudmom]

But didn't LE say that the ME saw no visible signs of trauma to Sandra's body? If she'd been hit by a car, I would think there would be evidence on her clothing and broken bones, lacerations, etc. :confused:

what when did he say that..it is sealed

[KKKKKKatie]

I have a hard time getting my head around a 125# woman stuffing a suitcase and depositing it dozens of yards from the road to a water filled ditch.

Guess it could be done....LE says no other suspects.


bearwds

I weight a touch more than MH (not much mind you :laugh:) and travel all the time. My suitcase is always around 50lbs and I schlep it all over...even in and out of my trunk all the time.

[KKKKKKatie]

wont let me in to see it

Typical usage
Section 187, subdivision (a), defines murder as the "unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought," while subdivision (b) provides an exception to allow for abortions, as required by federal constitutional law (see Roe v. Wade (1973)). In California, suspects are usually charged by reference to one or more Penal Code (PC) sections. Thus, the charging documents for a suspect charged for murder would be inscribed with "PC 187(a)" or just "PC 187." If a suspect is charged with attempted murder, then the relevant code would be "PC 664/187" because attempt is defined in Penal Code section 664.

Since murder is such a serious crime, the use of "187" as a synonym for murder is well-known among California attorneys and judges. For example, in June 2007, the California Court of Appeal (Fourth District, Division Three) reversed a verdict for the defendant in part because the judge kept making jokes such as telling the plaintiffs' lawyer she could object "until I die" and then the next day following up with "objection, 187," in response to new objections from her.[3] The Court of Appeal was not amused with the trial judge's sarcastic method of telling the plaintiffs' lawyer that her objections were so bad that they were killing him (in the figurative sense).

[aproudmom]

I saw that, Good Lord, could it be true or a typo

not sure KK has a link but it wont open for me

[titanfan217]

Honestly, as much as I want to know WHY, it won't bother me to not hear anymore about it until trial. I think we are already getting too much info released before court these days and I want to make sure nothing happens to allow these monsters to go free.

Agree

Does anyone know the California laws regarding evidence, court (televised or not)?

Can we expect another round of too much info?

[juliekan]

Bizarre, she said LE told her narcotics (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Woman_Questioned_in_Tracy_Kidnapping_Speaks_Bay_Ar ea.html) were found in other child???

This is so weird.

thanks for the link....I have heard references to this but not the facts. that is extremely bizarre. I guess my prediction that this was going to be a bizarre case will prove out in time.

also noticed in that clip, that MH said she attended the first vigil for Sandra and after that found the "cantu, suitcase, water" note. LE said in the presser today that she DID NOT attend the first vigil.

[KKKKKKatie]

I saw that, Good Lord, could it be true or a typo


I don't think it is 2 counts. It is a 187 (murder) and then states it is 187a....if clarify which type (a or b)IMO

[aproudmom]

Typical usage
Section 187, subdivision (a), defines murder as the "unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought," while subdivision (b) provides an exception to allow for abortions, as required by federal constitutional law (see Roe v. Wade (1973)). In California, suspects are usually charged by reference to one or more Penal Code (PC) sections. Thus, the charging documents for a suspect charged for murder would be inscribed with "PC 187(a)" or just "PC 187." If a suspect is charged with attempted murder, then the relevant code would be "PC 664/187" because attempt is defined in Penal Code section 664.

Since murder is such a serious crime, the use of "187" as a synonym for murder is well-known among California attorneys and judges. For example, in June 2007, the California Court of Appeal (Fourth District, Division Three) reversed a verdict for the defendant in part because the judge kept making jokes such as telling the plaintiffs' lawyer she could object "until I die" and then the next day following up with "objection, 187," in response to new objections from her.[3] The Court of Appeal was not amused with the trial judge's sarcastic method of telling the plaintiffs' lawyer that her objections were so bad that they were killing him (in the figurative sense).

ok lost have to save it and read it later thanks

[oodi]

I can't imagine what it must have smelled like. Especially considering the pond it was in is used for "processing" cow excrement... The ponds themselves must stink to high heavens too!

I must have missed something. I thought the ponds were for water collection for irrigation purposes. I didn't think the pond was on a dairy. :confused:

[KKKKKKatie]

Agree

Does anyone know the California laws regarding evidence, court (televised or not)?

Can we expect another round of too much info?


I believe it is all up to the Judge here. And no....we don't have a Sunshine Law anywhere near Florida's

[baywench]

thanks for the link....I have heard references to this but not the facts. that is extremely bizarre. I guess my prediction that this was going to be a bizarre case will prove out in time.

also noticed in that clip, that MH said she attended the first vigil for Sandra and after that found the "cantu, suitcase, water" note. LE said in the presser today that she DID NOT attend the first vigil.

I believe as much of what this women says as I believe Casey Anthony. They are both murderers and liars. No big stretch of the imagination there. Plus, I think they are both not playing with a full deck. They sure know right from wrong though....they hid the bodies. jmo

[playnice]

Typical usage
Section 187, subdivision (a), defines murder as the "unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought," while subdivision (b) provides an exception to allow for abortions, as required by federal constitutional law (see Roe v. Wade (1973)). In California, suspects are usually charged by reference to one or more Penal Code (PC) sections. Thus, the charging documents for a suspect charged for murder would be inscribed with "PC 187(a)" or just "PC 187." If a suspect is charged with attempted murder, then the relevant code would be "PC 664/187" because attempt is defined in Penal Code section 664.

Since murder is such a serious crime, the use of "187" as a synonym for murder is well-known among California attorneys and judges. For example, in June 2007, the California Court of Appeal (Fourth District, Division Three) reversed a verdict for the defendant in part because the judge kept making jokes such as telling the plaintiffs' lawyer she could object "until I die" and then the next day following up with "objection, 187," in response to new objections from her.[3] The Court of Appeal was not amused with the trial judge's sarcastic method of telling the plaintiffs' lawyer that her objections were so bad that they were killing him (in the figurative sense).


malice aforethought

So she had intentions , premeditation?

[aproudmom]

I don't think it is 2 counts. It is a 187 (murder) and then states it is 187a....if clarify which type (a or b)IMO

ok got freaked me out thought she killed 2 people

[sunstar]

what when did he say that..it is sealed

Didn't the ME (through LE's news conferences) say initially when Sandra's body was found & after autopsy, that there were no visible signs of trauma, and they were waiting for tox reports before a COD could be established? :confused:

[KKKKKKatie]

ok lost have to save it and read it later thanks

LOL Mom.....all it means is Murder "a" is unlawful taking of a human life. "b" is the exception for a legal abortion in CA

[KKKKKKatie]

malice aforethought

So she had intentions , premeditation?

I believe that is correct...otherwise it would be Manslaughter???

[Ice Cycle]

But didn't LE say that the ME saw no visible signs of trauma to Sandra's body? If she'd been hit by a car, I would think there would be evidence on her clothing and broken bones, lacerations, etc. :confused:

I don't remember it being worded that way, I remember him saying something but did not take it that way but that their was no signs of physical abuse.

[dinojen]

Didn't the ME (through LE's news conferences) say initially when Sandra's body was found & after autopsy, that there were no visible signs of trauma, and they were waiting for tox reports before a COD could be established? :confused:


Yes.. that is what was stated in the PC

[aproudmom]

Didn't the ME (through LE's news conferences) say initially when Sandra's body was found that there were no visible signs of trauma, and they were waiting for tox reports before a COD could be established? :confused:

if he did I missed it..you may be right just never heard it when they seal them then they can not release the information until the final report or something

[StickyBeak]

If you look at Count I on this link, you get a description of the charge but I haven't found what the 'A' pertains to as yet:

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/peterson/captrson42103cmp.pdf

Just looked a few site, 187 police code for murder but the A. Scott peterson case came up in reference to Connor, A being a fetus.

187 murder - Media references: Encyclopedia - 187 murder
187 is the numeric code for the crime of murder used by law-enforcement officials, particularly in the state of California. This number is used for this purpose because Section 187 of the California Penal Code deals with that crime. 187 murder - Media references. In the early 1990s, the number began to appear in the lyrics of gangsta rap songs, prompting some radio stations to stop playing the songs in which the number was used. The following is a list of prominent examples of this usage: ...

Including:
187 murder - Media references

Read more here: » 187 murder: Encyclopedia - 187 murder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/187_(murder)

Don't want to even go there, A as in Fetus.

[steffaroob4]

Is there another link to that? This one cuts off before the conversation is over. TIA

This is a better report, IMO (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Woman_Questioned_in_Tracy_Kidnapping_Speaks_Bay_Ar ea.html)

[aproudmom]

I don't remember it being worded that way, I remember him saying something but did not take it that way but that their was no signs of physical abuse.

ok I missed this then it was during a press conf.?

[Anakerie]

And this was my next point. Have any of you worked around cows? I have and let me tell you what, step one shoe into that muck and you STINK.

Where are the clothes she wore to drag that suitcase into that pond??? Even the clothes washer stinks after you wash cow or "barn" clothes in them.


aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggggg.
When I was a child, my parents had some good friends who owned dairies in Chino and we spent a lot of time there... Of course my brothers and I helped the kids there with their chores. (Just "loved" slogging through the cow pens in the huge rubber boots that didn't fit and came off as you were walking so you ended up barefoot in a cow-patty.. lol) To be honest, I got used to the "cow smell" after a while, but I would guess that my Mom didn't appreciate the aroma my brothers and I wore after our visits to the dairy... lol

[sunstar]

Yes.. that is what was stated in the PC

thanks so much ~ I thought I was losing it! :smile: Having to wait for tox results, combined with the arrest of MH, makes me think poor little Sandra was drugged. I just can't put my mind around WHY??? :crying:

[Themis]

Reference to 187 and 187(a)

I think it is just a manner of the way they have it typed on the website to make sure it is not confused with any other elaborations, such as (b).

Here is the California Penal Code as it relates to 187:

"187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a
fetus, with malice aforethought.

(b) This section shall not apply to any person who commits an act
that results in the death of a fetus if any of the following apply:
(1) The act complied with the Therapeutic Abortion Act, Article 2
(commencing with Section 123400) of Chapter 2 of Part 2 of Division
106 of the Health and Safety Code.
(2) The act was committed by a holder of a physician's and surgeon'
s certificate, as defined in the Business and Professions Code, in a
case where, to a medical certainty, the result of childbirth would be
death of the mother of the fetus or where her death from childbirth,
although not medically certain, would be substantially certain or
more likely than not.
(3) The act was solicited, aided, abetted, or consented to by the
mother of the fetus.
(c) Subdivision (b) shall not be construed to prohibit the
prosecution of any person under any other provision of law.

[juliekan]

Blink on Crime website has some very interesting sleuthing on this Melissa Huckaby..just the tip of the iceberg...if true. JMO
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/11/sandra-cantu-murder-melissa-huckaby-arrested/

Don't know how much of this is true, but VERY interesting reading.

[Anakerie]

Are you sure? My husband told me that the day she was found but I hadn't read it anywhere myself. I was hoping he was wrong.
Yes, I'm sure. A friend of mine who lives in Tracy was out with the search parties with his dog in the area of those ponds. Those ponds are used for the processing of cow excrement.

[sunstar]

if he did I missed it..you may be right just never heard it when they seal them then they can not release the information until the final report or something

Yes, I know everything is sealed, like the search warrants, but this was said when they announced it was Sandra's remains in the suitcase.

[juliekan]

I'm pretty sure that came from 'a source.' I don't remember that being said at a PC.

no, sheneman basically said cause of death could not be ascertained just by looking at the body....I guess no gun-shot wound, stabbing, obvious ligature line for strangulation??

[Mamie]

This is petty and I'm already ashamed for mentioning it but, whoa, looking at that mug shot. Can you say, bad hair day? :scared:


LOL-----I thought the same thing when I saw her mug shot! We should be tarred and feathered! LOL

[Anakerie]

Agree

Does anyone know the California laws regarding evidence, court (televised or not)?

Can we expect another round of too much info?
California doesn't have "Sunshine" laws like Florida. I wouldn't expect to see or hear much evidence before the hearings or the trial.

[aproudmom]

LOL Mom.....all it means is Murder "a" is unlawful taking of a human life. "b" is the exception for a legal abortion in CA

ok just lack of sleep so was going to look at it more later things are so diff in every state so kinda like to read the stuff when I am not on 3 hours of sleep in 48 hours..lol..

[oodi]

This is petty and I'm already ashamed for mentioning it but, whoa, looking at that mug shot. Can you say, bad hair day? :scared:

She certainly doesn't look like the same person they showed on the late news last night at the police station. Granted, it was only a profile that was shown last night, but I guess that's what 6 or 7 hours of questioning can do to you.

[koawally]

Trying to remember what NG said about felony murder in the CA case.

If I understand this right Melissa is charged with felony murder.


Definition of felony murder.

An unlawful homicide that occurs in the commission or attempted commission of a felony, which is considered first degree murder by operation of this doctrine. In many modern statutes, only homicides that occur in the course of certain specified felonies are "felony murders." See N.J.S.A. 2C: 11-3 (3). The evil mind or malice that is necessary to find someone guilty of murder is implied or imputed from the actor's intent to commit a felony. See 383 F. 2d 421, 426. For example, if someone burned down a warehouse and thereby committed arson, which resulted in the death of a person in the building, the arsonist is guilty of first degree murder ("felony murder") even if he did not know of the presence of the person and he had taken special precautions to try to avoid any loss of life. The harshness of this doctrine has led to a limitation of its use except against the person who actually committed the underlying felony. See Model Penal Code §§210.1 et seq.



So was there evidence that Melissa was attempting another crime when Sandras death occured or do I just not understand what Im typing about?:confused:


With regard to Mellisa telling the news reporter that there was a previous time the police spoke with her at 2 something in the morning was because that a child she took to the "park"with/without the childs parents permission was found to have narcotics in her system. LE questioned Mellisa about the drug found in that child case

So, in this case, perhaps Melissa's other crime (the felony)in the case of lil Sandra...was giving this precious child Sandra a DRUG.

[Anakerie]

I must have missed something. I thought the ponds were for water collection for irrigation purposes. I didn't think the pond was on a dairy. :confused:
I had heard on the early news reports that the ponds are on a dairy, plus my friend who searched out there mentioned the same thing.
:shrug:

Some dairies also have fields of alfalfa and such, so the water from those ponds might also supply water to those fields.. I don't know.. Hmm... I am considering taking a drive down to Tracy... lol

[aproudmom]

California doesn't have "Sunshine" laws like Florida. I wouldn't expect to see or hear much evidence before the hearings or the trial.

FL is pretty much the only state like that..

[sunstar]

no, sheneman basically said cause of death could not be ascertained just by looking at the body....I guess no gun-shot wound, stabbing, obvious ligature line for strangulation??

That's the way I interpreted it also, and was just including being struck by a car in the same sense. Drugging her however would require the tox results. :crying:

[sunstar]

I had heard on the early news reports that the ponds are on a dairy, plus my friend who searched out there mentioned the same thing.
:shrug:

I heard the Sgt. use the word "dairy" also.

[aproudmom]

OK everyone I am heading to bed for a nap have a safe and wonderful day..at least we got a arrest that is a plus.

BYE 4 awhile

[oodi]

I had heard on the early news reports that the ponds are on a dairy, plus my friend who searched out there mentioned the same thing.
:shrug:

Some dairies also have fields of alfalfa and such, so the water from those ponds might also supply water to those fields.. I don't know.. Hmm... I am considering taking a drive down to Tracy... lol

I was thinking about a drive too! LOL But... The Masters is on in a few minutes. That, and traffic on 205 on the weekend is horrendous.

[juliekan]

I had heard on the early news reports that the ponds are on a dairy, plus my friend who searched out there mentioned the same thing.
:shrug:

Some dairies also have fields of alfalfa and such, so the water from those ponds might also supply water to those fields.. I don't know.. Hmm... I am considering taking a drive down to Tracy... lol

I did a microbiology paper years ago on using excretement for fertilizer. They may treat the excretement with something and then pump it back into the fields for fertilizer. Just a guess.....:confused:

[Ice Cycle]

She's a grown, adult woman, with a child, living with her elderly grandparents. I highly doubt she'd be a Sunday school teacher if not for the fact that her grandfather is the pastor. I'd say her performing that role, at the church, could have even been a condition of her living there.

That might be true, I wonder if it was said if she had another job?

[juliekan]

She's a grown, adult woman, with a child, living with her elderly grandparents. I highly doubt she'd be a Sunday school teacher if not for the fact that her grandfather is the pastor. I'd say her performing that role, at the church, could have even been a condition of her living there.

She actually was a teacher at her FATHER'S church. Different church. Link was posted right before the presser, IIRC

[StickyBeak]

LOL-----I thought the same thing when I saw her mug shot! We should be tarred and feathered! LOL

LOL, when I saw that mug shot she reminded me of another Orange Cty resident but different state. Similar eyes I think or mug shot pose.
JMO

[bearwds]

That might be true, I wonder if it was said if she had another job?

***********************************

Well, we know for sure she had sticky fingers at Target.


bearwds

[sunstar]

LOL, when I saw that mug shot she reminded me of another Orange Cty resident but different state. Similar eyes I think or mug shot pose.
JMO

Yes, I thought the same thing. The same cold, vacant eyes, imo.

[oodi]

***********************************

Well, we know for sure she had sticky fingers at Target.


bearwds

This is true. Good point! :biggrin:

[aproudmom]

one more thing someone up thread talked about Blink very interesting reading I must say had to be nosey and check it out before I laid down..check it out some good stuff if true...not so sure her internal bleeding was the reason she was in the hospital...k just wanted to tell you to check it out...

bye for now..

[aproudmom]

This is true. Good point! :biggrin:

that is KC store bet they would get along very well:scared:
k had to say that

[bearwds]

Granddaughter is in trouble, can't care for herself and child, parents are through with her, grandparents take her in and, as a condition and as part of her "rehabilitation", they think it's a good idea that she get close to God and teach Sunday school at the church. :rolleyes:

My cheap theory only.

Which goes along with my other theary, which I think is not so cheap. Cats. Sandra's Grandpa was trapping cats. Did the Lawless-Huckaby family lose a cat?

***************************************

No, I don't think so.

The neighborhood dispute was over other cats coming onto the property and making a mess. He then started trapping them. Evidently there was some retaliation. Security camera then installed.

My understanding.


bearwds

[Mamie]

I did a microbiology paper years ago on using excretement for fertilizer. They may treat the excretement with something and then pump it back into the fields for fertilizer. Just a guess.....:confused:

Well, the urine turns to ammonia, doesn't it? Atleast I remember that from my kids' cloth diaper days. And there is ammonia in fertilizer, right?


(Oops-----cat's out the bag, I'm not in my 20's am I!)

[sunstar]

Granddaughter is in trouble, can't care for herself and child, parents are through with her, grandparents take her in and, as a condition and as part of her "rehabilitation", they think it's a good idea that she get close to God and teach Sunday school at the church. :rolleyes:

My cheap theory only.

Which goes along with my other theary, which I think is not so cheap. Cats. Sandra's Grandpa was trapping cats. Did the Lawless-Huckaby family lose a cat?
As much as I abhor what Sandra's grandpa was doing, why take it out on Sandra? I'm just not figuring out at all what the motive could possibly be, maybe because I was sure it would've been a SO instead of MH.

[oodi]

Sheneman said there were no visible signs of trauma to Sandra's body at one of the press conferences after she was found. A reporter asked him what the cause of death was and that's what he told them. That they're waiting on toxicology to try to determine cause of death.

I'm sure they couldn't tell whether there was trauma or not. When a person dies, the blood pools, and it looks like massive bruising. This happens in just a few hours. I'm sure that after over a week, it would be even harder to tell.

[bearwds]

Would someone please go over and pull proudmom's internet connection and give her a nice warm cup of tea..??


...:smile:


bearwds

[MOM0F4]

If this woman took Sandra to the church and killed her there for whatever reason I think that was premeditaded because she never asked her mom if she could take her there.
I just hope this woman didn't kill her for some stuped reason like she got mad at her or she disliked her.

[KKKKKKatie]

Would someone please go over and pull proudmom's internet connection and give her a nice warm cup of tea..??


...:smile:


bearwds


I think she needs a sleeping pill also :laugh:

[bearwds]

What impressed me the most from the presser was how the Sgt. described, in a very subtle way, the speed with which the murder occurred and the dumping.

It was like he was saying that Sandra didn't suffer.

Anyone else come away with that impression..??


bearwds

[KKKKKKatie]

If this woman took Sandra to the church and killed her there for whatever reason I think that was premeditaded because she never asked her mom if she could take her there.
I just hope this woman didn't kill her for some stuped reason like she got mad at her or she disliked her.

It appears that she is charged with murder 1....so that would mean they do think there was premeditation IMO

ETA Remember...premed can be 30 seconds or even less IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

What impressed me the most from the presser was how the Sgt. described, in a very subtle way, the speed with which the murder occurred and the dumping.

It was like he was saying that Sandra didn't suffer.

Anyone else come away with that impression..??


bearwds

That is what I was thinking also. Guess we will just have to wait and see

[bama__angel]

What impressed me the most from the presser was how the Sgt. described, in a very subtle way, the speed with which the murder occurred and the dumping.

It was like he was saying that Sandra didn't suffer.

Anyone else come away with that impression..??


bearwds


No I did not get that.......

[oodi]

What impressed me the most from the presser was how the Sgt. described, in a very subtle way, the speed with which the murder occurred and the dumping.

It was like he was saying that Sandra didn't suffer.

Anyone else come away with that impression..??


bearwds

I thought he choked up, and therefore thought the way she died must be pretty bad.

[MOM0F4]

It just doesn't fit into my head a mother of a young girl killing an inocent girl herself.

[bama__angel]

It just doesn't fit into my head a mother of a young girl killing an inocent girl herself.



IMO...That is because you are a loving momof4 who would die for her own and would probably do anything to protect someone else's child.....

[Mamie]

one more thing someone up thread talked about Blink very interesting reading I must say had to be nosey and check it out before I laid down..check it out some good stuff if true...not so sure her internal bleeding was the reason she was in the hospital...k just wanted to tell you to check it out...

bye for now..

Wow, right---it certainly is interesting reading! I forgot all about Fred! Need to find out what his rap sheets say and why he lied about the rummage sale.

Also found it interesting that the church doesn't hold regular sessions? Wow, again!

[Mamie]

I am just checking in. Good an arrest, but am I hearing it right and it is a female????????.........Sorry I do not have much time to read back.

Yep, female, 28, and granddaughter to the Pastor Lawless and his wife. Also this female is the mother to the little 5 year old girl that Sandra used to play with on almost a daily basis.

[Themis]

It appears that she is charged with murder 1....so that would mean they do think there was premeditation IMO

ETA Remember...premed can be 30 seconds or even less IMO
Yes, as I posted earlier from the California Penal Code she is charged with:

187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a
fetus, with malice aforethought.

[sunstar]

To hurt them back. Someone was mad enough about cat trapping that they began vandalizing the property. Didn't I hear about tires being slashed? I know it's a big leap from vandalism to murder, but there are irrational people out there.

I understand what you're saying, and if it were one of my cats, I'd be :flamemad: but I wouldn't kill an innocent child because of what her grandfather did. I am beginning to wonder though if there could've been something that MH disliked about Sandra playing with her daughter, or something that happened that day between the two girls to prompt her to take Sandra and kill her (assuming she's guilty)?

[KKKKKKatie]

Yes, as I posted earlier from the California Penal Code she is charged with:

187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a
fetus, with malice aforethought.

yes...I posted the same thing :biggrin:

[sunstar]

It just doesn't fit into my head a mother of a young girl killing an inocent girl herself.

It doesn't to me either, but it's kind of reminding me now of that mother in TX who wanted her daughter's cheerleading competition killed. Unless, of course, this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as something a lot more sinister going on. MOO

[KKKKKKatie]

Yes, that is what the law in Ca is. Also if their is special circumstances such as lying in wait, there will be no bond possible. With SC she could get life no parole or death penalty.

Hey Tree! Yes...on the booking website it says no bond.

[MOM0F4]

I understand what you're saying, and if it were one of my cats, I'd be :flamemad: but I wouldn't kill an innocent child because of what her grandfather did. I am beginning to wonder though if there could've been something that MH disliked about Sandra playing with her daughter, or something that happened that day between the two girls to prompt her to take Sandra and kill her (assuming she's guilty)?



Could there ever be something so bad enough to kill a child.
We as mothers could get mad and tell the child to go home and to not come back but kill them.

[kitty1182]

Because you are normal and not everyone is normal.

I dunno. I found it so odd that he had cameras on his mobile home. Then I found it was because of vandalism being committed on his property. THEN I found out he'd been trapping cats! Now that's a way to piss off your neighbors. Just take one unstable person who's cat comes up missing. Plus, what was he doing with these cats? Was he releasing them out in the country to fend for themselves? Was he taking them to a vet to be neutered/spayed? Was he taking them to an animal shelter? Or was he killing them? Some nut job could feel like, ok, I'll show you. You killed my cat, now I'm going to kill something you care about.

I'm not blaming grandpa, btw.

If this is what happen, wonder if one of the cats belonged to MH's little girl ..

[bearwds]

What are you saying that is different from what I said?

****************************

....oops Must be GMTA

My own conclusions based on information available.


bearwds

[sunstar]

Could there ever be something so bad enough to kill a child.
We as mothers could get mad and tell the child to go home and to not come back but kill them.

Yes, that's what I'm not grasping. Sandra wasn't her child. She could've just told her to go home and leave her daughter alone if it was as simple as just not wanting them to be playing together. :sad:

[bama__angel]

Thanks Katie.
One of the other special circumstances can also be the killing of a child 8 yrs old or younger. I may have the age wrong.


I think it's a child under the age of 12....IMO....I may be wrong also

[KKKKKKatie]

Thanks Katie.
One of the other special circumstances can also be the killing of a child 8 yrs old or younger. I may have the age wrong.

not sure of the age either...but you are correct IMO

[sunstar]

Because you are normal and not everyone is normal.

I dunno. I found it so odd that he had cameras on his mobile home. Then I found it was because of vandalism being committed on his property. THEN I found out he'd been trapping cats! Now that's a way to piss off your neighbors. Just take one unstable person who's cat comes up missing. Plus, what was he doing with these cats? Was he releasing them out in the country to fend for themselves? Was he taking them to a vet to be neutered/spayed? Was he taking them to an animal shelter? Or was he killing them? Some nut job could feel like, ok, I'll show you. You killed my cat, now I'm going to kill something you care about.

I'm not blaming grandpa, btw.

Well, unless he was taking them to a vet to be spayed/neutered and then releasing them back to enjoy their lives in the park, I am :flamemad: at him for trapping the cats. So I do understand people slashing his tires, and other property damage crimes. But, I do agree there are some people who would take it to the extreme and seek retaliation on a higher level, especially if they're mentally unbalanced, or using drugs. MOO

[VC2]

I understand what you're saying, and if it were one of my cats, I'd be :flamemad: but I wouldn't kill an innocent child because of what her grandfather did. I am beginning to wonder though if there could've been something that MH disliked about Sandra playing with her daughter, or something that happened that day between the two girls to prompt her to take Sandra and kill her (assuming she's guilty)?

if it was my cat i would be more than just angry, would think about killing the grandfather but never in my wildest dreams the child.

i dont think thats the motive.