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Peaches

04-09-2009, 07:24 PM

Bringing this over.

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Originally Posted by lizziegirl
Art Harris' website is nothing but rumour, gossip, opinion and innuendo. You missed absolutely nothing, Peaches.

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95% of all the information on this fits into 1 of those categories.

I agree with both.

So do I..............

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 07:36 PM

it's less than 1/10 of a mile from Haleigh's home to 116 Tyler (for the poster who asked)

Thanks Politigal. I AM GUESSING that LE must have questioned anyone who was at that address, but we are simply in the dark.

I wonder if it's a hop, skip and a jump when you're traveling on foot?

I'm still on the fence about whether Misty left the house, but IF RON is supposed to be this guy everyone fears, I'd think not.

JMO tho.:sad:

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 07:38 PM

No worries...Maybe she will just merge them....Always nice to see you CK!....:wub:

Backatcha. So have you developed any theories on this case? I can see many things as far as retribution for anyone in the family. But I keep going back to an UNKNOWN/UNREGISTERED SEX OFFENDER and I pray that's wrong.

Most of all I am praying for a miracle against the odds, I guess. :wub:

Politigal

04-09-2009, 07:39 PM

Thanks Politigal. I AM GUESSING that LE must have questioned anyone who was at that address, but we are simply in the dark.

I wonder if it's a hop, skip and a jump when you're traveling on foot?

I'm still on the fence about whether Misty left the house, but IF RON is supposed to be this guy everyone fears, I'd think not.

JMO tho.:sad:

I can't make up my mind what scenario actually fits...and there are sooo many possible suspects IMO.

I just hope they find her.

Brattnt

04-09-2009, 07:46 PM

Backatcha. So have you developed any theories on this case? I can see many things as far as retribution for anyone in the family. But I keep going back to an UNKNOWN/UNREGISTERED SEX OFFENDER and I pray that's wrong.

Most of all I am praying for a miracle against the odds, I guess. :wub:

I am prayin for that same miracle...:rose:

IMO, Ron had nothing to do with it...Misty not so sure about...I dont think she did anything, but I also dont think she was there either...I lost all respect for Crystal the day she put her son on TV for Geraldo...Thats all I got...I just pray and pray that Haleigh will come home alive...:crying:

JMO

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 07:48 PM

I can't make up my mind what scenario actually fits...and there are sooo many possible suspects IMO.

I just hope they find her.

Same here Politigal. I am very torn on theories myself. It's been an eye-opener that's for sure. JMO:ohmy:

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 07:52 PM

I'mleaning to SO/stranger abduction. Either that or she did leave the house on her own and fell into the river and drowned.

OMG, wouldn't that be just horrible if she got up and went looking for someone who wasn't there? I would be mortified of Ron IF HE IS AS BAD as some claim. If a former Marine/Sheriff's Deputy feared him enough to witness the things Johnny Sheffield alleged, good grief MISTY should have been really walking the line after their alleged fight and her alleged bender. For crying out loud, Misty could have kept on going if life was so bad IMO.

That right there tells me the Sheffield Clan are strangers to the truth if Misty is still breathing and Haleigh (aka Ron's heart according to Crystal) went missing on her watch. JMO tho.

JD1974

04-09-2009, 07:54 PM

OOPS...............we have 2 threads here for Haleigh.

What do we do?

CW will merge them, I think. Candykisses and I made them at the exact same time, we weren't trying to confuse anyone :)

Texas48

04-09-2009, 07:55 PM

Texas48

04-09-2009, 08:03 PM

I'mleaning to SO/stranger abduction. Either that or she did leave the house on her own and fell into the river and drowned.There are a number of possibilities but imo Haleigh would not have walked out of the trailer on her own..It had to be really dark outside..if anything..she woke up found Misty gone and I could see her crying in fear but I believe she would have stayed inside and with Jr. Maybe she was crying when Misty returned and Bad things happened..?? Is that possible?

Politigal

04-09-2009, 08:13 PM

we can't forget the river and the alligators....

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 08:22 PM

It's possible but I don't see it happening. Misti would have had limited time to dispose of Haleigh, as well as a lack of transportation and I believe Haleigh would have been found by now.

Limited time.

How long would it take Misty to drop Haleigh in the water near the home?

Politigal

04-09-2009, 08:30 PM

I don't know but I doubt she'd put her that close to home.

if Haleigh was undressed, wrapped in a blanket, carted to the river & thrown in...where there are alligators large enough to eat antelope and other mammals....what would remain of her?

Politigal

04-09-2009, 08:37 PM

I posted some links on our regular forum, but that juncture of the St John's River has a large alligator population. There are even lots of boat tours specifically for people to see all the alligators & other wildlife along the river.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 08:40 PM

I don't know but I doubt she'd put her that close to home.

Missing murdered children are usually found within two miles of their home, think caylee and Sandra.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 08:41 PM

if Haleigh was undressed, wrapped in a blanket, carted to the river & thrown in...where there are alligators large enough to eat antelope and other mammals....what would remain of her?

Wow, this post makes me want to cry.

Nothing is more than likely the answer...

Politigal

04-09-2009, 08:43 PM

Wow, this post makes me want to cry.

Nothing is more than likely the answer...

I know it's horrible to consider that scenario....but it truly makes sense.

Misty had no vehicle.

Haleigh's pajama shirt was there in the dirty laundry.

Misty washed the blanket.

Neighbor Nancy Bump said before daybreak that dogs trailed directly to that dock at 131 Buchanan Cicle.

Politigal

04-09-2009, 08:45 PM

here's the link depicting the lot with the dock

http://gis.putnam-fl.com/website//publicputnam/viewer.htm?ActiveLayer=15&Query=PARCELID%3d%2739-11-26-8234-0040-0160%27&QueryZoom=Yes

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 08:53 PM

I know it's horrible to consider that scenario....but it truly makes sense.

Misty had no vehicle.

Haleigh's pajama shirt was there in the dirty laundry.

Misty washed the blanket.

Neighbor Nancy Bump said before daybreak that dogs trailed directly to that dock at 131 Buchanan Cicle.

Yeah, I fear you are right..

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 08:55 PM

So politigal, if she was dropped in the water, how do you think she died?

Politigal

04-09-2009, 08:58 PM

If you had killed someone and wanted to hide it would you take the smallest chance that person would be found that close to home? Because you can't guarantee analligator would get her.

what choice would Misty have (if she was responsible) ?

She had no vehicle. She was savvy enough to know that cellphone records can be looked at. So she couldn't call anyone for help.

What would be the most logical spot to try and get rid of evidence? (on foot)

the river

and if not the alligators, the current would come in handy too

Politigal

04-09-2009, 09:04 PM

So politigal, if she was dropped in the water, how do you think she died?

I really don't know...I could speculate on a couple of different scenarios.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 09:13 PM

Not all are. Andofthe 2 you mentioned and I'll add in Jessica Lunsford, only 1 imo was killed by a family member...and that family member is unlike any criminal we've seen to date.

Yeah, but bookie, not all, but its a sad stat, they are found within two miles of the home, its happened more than not.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 09:31 PM

The problem with stats is that there are exceptions. You can't judge all by some.

Look, I am not going to argue you, but look up the stats yourself, children that are murdered are usually found within two miles from the home, i heard it from Tim miller, but if you want to dispute, fine.

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 09:37 PM

Politigal

04-09-2009, 09:40 PM

Good Evening (:

Didn't the dogs go to the dock but turn back and head to another direction?

I think they had more than 1 team of dogs out.

Yes, one dog or team led around Buchanan Circle back to Monroe, out Tyler to Buffalo Bluff.

But this dog or team - per the neighbor Nancy Bump - went straight to the dock and stopped.

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 09:44 PM

I think they had more than 1 team of dogs out.

Yes, one dog or team led around Buchanan Circle back to Monroe, out Tyler to Buffalo Bluff.

But this dog or team - per the neighbor Nancy Bump - went straight to the dock and stopped.

I might be mistaken but i thought the dogs stopped at the dock but turned around and headed to Monroe ... which was the street the owners of the trailer Ron rented lived

I remember everyone thinking how odd it was was then research showed something about a SO

Will have to look backwards I guess

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 09:46 PM

I'm not arguing with you. I disagree though. Danielle Van Dam (not the only one by any means) wasn't found near her home....which is why I said you can't judge all by some.

:tongueside:

Happy Easter Bookie!

Peaches

04-09-2009, 09:48 PM

I might be mistaken but i thought the dogs stopped at the dock but turned around and headed to Monroe ... which was the street the owners of the trailer Ron rented lived

I remember everyone thinking how odd it was was then research showed something about a SO

Will have to look backwards I guess

Tara, I think you are correct. It was said that the wind was blowing very hard and this might have messed up the dogs............

Also, somewhere it was said that they stopped at a rr track somewhere.

I just wish this precious little girl could be found. I know that everyone of us posting here wishes the same thing and that we are all hoping for a miracle............that she is found alive. Why not? I believe in miracles...............

moo

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 09:53 PM

Tara, I think you are correct. It was said that the wind was blowing very hard and this might have messed up the dogs............

Also, somewhere it was said that they stopped at a rr track somewhere.

I just wish this precious little girl could be found. I know that everyone of us posting here wishes the same thing and that we are all hoping for a miracle............that she is found alive. Why not? I believe in miracles...............

moo

I do too Peaches, and while I admit seeing Politigal put it out there like that, the hair on my arms stands up...I can't see it myself.

First off, I would be thinking it was an accident and expect Misty to dial RON or 911 IMMEDIATELY....or even Teresa for that matter.

But to think she would deliberately harm Haleigh, NO, I don't see it but do acknowledge Politigal makes a compelling argument. :sad:

So, I'm going to bed as I have ever since we heard about this case, and that's closing my prayers asking for a miracle for this child. :wub:

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 09:53 PM

I'm not arguing with you. I disagree though. Danielle Van Dam (not the only one by any means) wasn't found near her home....which is why I said you can't judge all by some.

There has been research and interestingly enough is where bodies are located based on age

Infants are almost always found near the home, the yard someplace or the house

Preschool age are usually found within a hundred yards of their home

Preteens have no category to be found ... close to home or far. I think because they are the easiest?

High school age are usually withing five miles of their homes

This is based on stranger abductions/murders

Politigal

04-09-2009, 09:54 PM

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 09:55 PM

I'm not arguing with you. I disagree though. Danielle Van Dam (not the only one by any means) wasn't found near her home....which is why I said you can't judge all by some.

No she certainly wasn't Bookie and just think it was her neighbor who took her life. :crying:

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 09:57 PM

teresa

04-09-2009, 10:02 PM

Look, I am not going to argue you, but look up the stats yourself, children that are murdered are usually found within two miles from the home, i heard it from Tim miller, but if you want to dispute, fine.

We also heard from Tim Miller "she isn't here". I believe he had reason to think that.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 10:05 PM

We also heard from Tim Miller "she isn't here". I believe he had reason to think that.

And I also heard from Tim Miller Caylee Anthony would never be found, so it goes both ways.

The fact is she just didn't evaporate, she is somewhere, hopefully alive, but if not... Where?

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 10:06 PM

We also heard from Tim Miller "she isn't here". I believe he had reason to think that.

I think he was being philosophical in his comment ... not really literal?

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 10:07 PM

And I also heard from Tim Miller Caylee Anthony would never be found, so it goes both ways.

The fact is she just didn't evaporate, she is somewhere, hopefully alive, but if not... Where?

I still ask that very same question about Trenton Duckett

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 10:10 PM

I know what research shows but there are exceptions.

Of course there are!

I am not disagreeing there

It is just interesting statistically ...

And Haleigh falls sorta in between the age of preschool and preteen

So she could be far away or close to home if she was killed

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 10:12 PM

"The hardest thing about our organization is for every person involved to put this kind of effort into it and walk away empty-handed. It's heart-breaking, it truly is...When you look at the whole picture, we did everything right. Our hearts were here, our compassion was here, we was focused on what we was doing -- she just isn't here." Tim Miller

Found his quote

FWIW

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 10:12 PM

I still ask that very same question about Trenton Duckett

I am emotional during easter, yes another sad case. I so hope someday some young man comes forward and is Trenton and she gave him away, missing children cases suck, maybe we should start implanting babies with internal tracking devices so when they go missing we know right away and cut down on this barbaric crime...:crying:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HMC

Candle for Haleigh reminder..

teresa

04-09-2009, 10:30 PM

I think he was being philosophical in his comment ... not really literal?

Not with them abruptly leaving that way. That was around the time the sheriff or other LE said once you search how far someone can walk carrying her, there's no telling where she is if they got in a car. That's a really bad paraphrase by me but that's what he was implying.

IDK, Tara, if they thought it was Misty or Ron, they wouldn't have stopped searching so soon it seems to me. At least at that time, I think they thought someone took her out of the area. They may have changed from that theory now but I still think they should look for her.

I still wonder about that van even with them saying there was no evidence regarding Haleigh on it.

teresa

04-09-2009, 10:38 PM

I am emotional during easter, yes another sad case. I so hope someday some young man comes forward and is Trenton and she gave him away, missing children cases suck, maybe we should start implanting babies with internal tracking devices so when they go missing we know right away and cut down on this barbaric crime...:crying:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HMC

Candle for Haleigh reminder..

Thank you for posting that link again. Mine was almost gone.

I'm all for implanting babies. They could do it where it would be easy to remove when they reach 18. It beats going through this.

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 10:41 PM

Not with them abruptly leaving that way. That was around the time the sheriff or other LE said once you search how far someone can walk carrying her, there's no telling where she is if they got in a car. That's a really bad paraphrase by me but that's what he was implying.

IDK, Tara, if they thought it was Misty or Ron, they wouldn't have stopped searching so soon it seems to me. At least at that time, I think they thought someone took her out of the area. They may have changed from that theory now but I still think they should look for her.

I still wonder about that van even with them saying there was no evidence regarding Haleigh on it.

I am on the opposite pole I guess

I think if they thought a SO took her or a stranger period, then they would not stop looking because other children could be in danger

If a family member took her ... the massive searches are not as necessary

(shrug)

Know what I mean?

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 10:41 PM

Thank you for posting that link again. Mine was almost gone.

I'm all for implanting babies. They could do it where it would be easy to remove when they reach 18. It beats going through this.

But, it still leaves room for women killing their newborns...

:crying:

teresa

04-09-2009, 10:44 PM

I am on the opposite pole I guess

I think if they thought a SO took her or a stranger period, then they would not stop looking because other children could be in danger

If a family member took her ... the massive searches are not as necessary

(shrug)

Know what I mean?

True, it can be looked at that way. I think they would still need her little body. It's just not right not to look.

teresa

04-09-2009, 10:45 PM

But, it still leaves room for women killing their newborns...

:crying:

Yeah, there's just no way to prevent all evil. It's sad.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 10:48 PM

True, it can be looked at that way. I think they would still need her little body. It's just not right not to look.

Isn't is so sad that the area she is missing is so dangerous, environmental and meth lab wise, its a sad day when we cant search for a missing child because the searchers would be in danger....

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 10:49 PM

True, it can be looked at that way. I think they would still need her little body. It's just not right not to look.

I absolutely agree

I am guessing they are doing some trailing and phone taps?

That might be their best leads at this point

Has there been any word from the family since the recovery of Sandra?

One would think it would scare the hell out of them and they would hit the airwaves begging

I know I would!

Squidward

04-09-2009, 10:50 PM

Not with them abruptly leaving that way. That was around the time the sheriff or other LE said once you search how far someone can walk carrying her, there's no telling where she is if they got in a car. That's a really bad paraphrase by me but that's what he was implying.

IDK, Tara, if they thought it was Misty or Ron, they wouldn't have stopped searching so soon it seems to me. At least at that time, I think they thought someone took her out of the area. They may have changed from that theory now but I still think they should look for her.

I still wonder about that van even with them saying there was no evidence regarding Haleigh on it.

I am a couple, maybe more posts behind but I agree with this. I think LE had a theory early on and went with that theory, hope I am wrong, and hope their theory is right.

I think they went wrong with the searching of the dumpster, and then again with the botched DNA, and then yet again when they took the screen/storm door AFTER the home had been released to the family and media.

I DO believe Misty is in one way or another connected with whatever happened to Haleigh, and as time goes by I believe Ron knows or at least suspects more than he is telling.

Question is WHY????

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 10:54 PM

I am a couple, maybe more posts behind but I agree with this. I think LE had a theory early on and went with that theory, hope I am wrong, and hope their theory is right.

I think they went wrong with the searching of the dumpster, and then again with the botched DNA, and then yet again when they took the screen/storm door AFTER the home had been released to the family and media.

I DO believe Misty is in one way or another connected with whatever happened to Haleigh, and as time goes by I believe Ron knows or at least suspects more than he is telling.

Question is WHY????

The one absolute in this case I simply cannot shake is Ron telling Greta on Feb 11th when she asked him if Misty noticed Haleigh missing before or after she got up to use the bathroom and he responded "I don't know, I never asked"

That is a huge WTF statement from him and I am certain LE caught it as well ... words will do you in

teresa

04-09-2009, 11:03 PM

Isn't is so sad that the area she is missing is so dangerous, environmental and meth lab wise, its a sad day when we cant search for a missing child because the searchers would be in danger....

Yes Puffy and I don't understand it. There were LE from five counties offering their help. Surely they aren't scared of snakes and meth dealers or brewers or whatever they do.

I watched that video where Marie pitched an angry fit about it and I don't blame her. Unless LE knows something they aren't telling her, or us, they need someone to kick them in the butt and get them going.

And Tara, I agree with you below about tapping phones. They had better be doing it. I'm beyond caring who did it, I just want her found. I hope for her sake that it wasn't someone who loved her.

teresa

04-09-2009, 11:07 PM

I am a couple, maybe more posts behind but I agree with this. I think LE had a theory early on and went with that theory, hope I am wrong, and hope their theory is right.

I think they went wrong with the searching of the dumpster, and then again with the botched DNA, and then yet again when they took the screen/storm door AFTER the home had been released to the family and media.

I DO believe Misty is in one way or another connected with whatever happened to Haleigh, and as time goes by I believe Ron knows or at least suspects more than he is telling.

Question is WHY????

Squidward, do you think something came back forensically on that cinder block and they were looking for the same tiny fibers or something on the screen part of the door?

Did we ever figure out if that door had one of those things on top that holds the door open where fibers or something might have gotten stuck? Even if it didn't work, someone might have tried that first. I need to look a pics of that door again. Unreal that they left it until later.

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 11:09 PM

Yes Puffy and I don't understand it. There were LE from five counties offering their help. Surely they aren't scared of snakes and meth dealers or brewers or whatever they do.

I watched that video where Marie pitched an angry fit about it and I don't blame her. Unless LE knows something they aren't telling her, or us, they need someone to kick them in the butt and get them going.

And Tara, I agree with you below about tapping phones. They had better be doing it. I'm beyond caring who did it, I just want her found. I hope for her sake that it wasn't someone who loved her.

If somebody who loved her took her to keep her safe ... I can forgive their intentions but they need to confess

I hope somebody who loved her did not murder her because that it is not love, that is possession

Squidward

04-09-2009, 11:10 PM

The one absolute in this case I simply cannot shake is Ron telling Greta on Feb 11th when she asked him if Misty noticed Haleigh missing before or after she got up to use the bathroom and he responded "I don't know, I never asked"

That is a huge WTF statement from him and I am certain LE caught it as well ... words will do you in

To me that is suspicious, but I base that on the fact that I would have questioned EVERY step Misty made in the home that night, I would have wanted to know and expected Misty to know the answer to everything from who slept where, what did they have for diner, what Haleigh said and did prior to her disappearance, what BLANKET did she use, who's van was Misty's blanket in that "they" took, did the AC guy unlock the backdoor, what clothes did GGS bring over, what TIME did Misty really go to bed, WHY DID YOU WALK OUT ON LE?? and I know I have left some questions out!!

As a mom I would remember every detail of the night I last saw my daughter, Misty is proclaimed as the children's "new mom", or step mom or whatever they call it...after all.... ...it's what Haleigh would have wanted :rolleyes:

Peaches

04-09-2009, 11:11 PM

Yes Puffy and I don't understand it. There were LE from five counties offering their help. Surely they aren't scared of snakes and meth dealers or brewers or whatever they do.

I watched that video where Marie pitched an angry fit about it and I don't blame her. Unless LE knows something they aren't telling her, or us, they need someone to kick them in the butt and get them going.

And Tara, I agree with you below about tapping phones. They had better be doing it. I'm beyond caring who did it, I just want her found. I hope for her sake that it wasn't someone who loved her.

Teresa, I am with you. I want Haleigh found and no matter who ..........no matter who is responsible for being gone, I want them punished.

Also, if I was a member of this family, I would be at the PD department everyday. I would talk to the media.............whoever I could reach to plead for people to help find my child.

That is just me..........

MOO

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 11:13 PM

Squidward, do you think something came back forensically on that cinder block and they were looking for the same tiny fibers or something on the screen part of the door?

Did we ever figure out if that door had one of those things on top that holds the door open where fibers or something might have gotten stuck? Even if it didn't work, someone might have tried that first. I need to look a pics of that door again. Unreal that they left it until later.

I am still not 100% certain LE took the screen door because Ron said they took the door, locks and all

The screen door had a simple plastic thingee all screen doors have but the storm door had the lock and dead bolt

We see the hard door there in the video but that could be a replacement door because they will not leave the house without a door

teresa

04-09-2009, 11:16 PM

To me that is suspicious, but I base that on the fact that I would have questioned EVERY step Misty made in the home that night, I would have wanted to know and expected Misty to know the answer to everything from who slept where, what did they have for diner, what Haleigh said and did prior to her disappearance, what BLANKET did she use, who's van was Misty's blanket in that "they" took, did the AC guy unlock the backdoor, what clothes did GGS bring over, what TIME did Misty really go to bed, WHY DID YOU WALK OUT ON LE?? and I know I have left some questions out!!

As a mom I would remember every detail of the night I last saw my daughter, Misty is proclaimed as the children's "new mom", or step mom or whatever they call it...after all.... ...it's what Haleigh would have wanted :rolleyes:

But remember that LE separated them that first day and then Misty went to her parent's house. She was probably scared to face Ron at that point so I don't know how much time he had to question her at that point. Since then, I hope he is questioning her every single day.

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 11:16 PM

To me that is suspicious, but I base that on the fact that I would have questioned EVERY step Misty made in the home that night, I would have wanted to know and expected Misty to know the answer to everything from who slept where, what did they have for diner, what Haleigh said and did prior to her disappearance, what BLANKET did she use, who's van was Misty's blanket in that "they" took, did the AC guy unlock the backdoor, what clothes did GGS bring over, what TIME did Misty really go to bed, WHY DID YOU WALK OUT ON LE?? and I know I have left some questions out!!

As a mom I would remember every detail of the night I last saw my daughter, Misty is proclaimed as the children's "new mom", or step mom or whatever they call it...after all.... ...it's what Haleigh would have wanted :rolleyes:

As haleigh's daddy coming home from work and being confronted at the door that "Your back door was open and your child is missing" (quote/unquote) wouldn't your first question be ... "When you got up she was gone or when you came back?!!!

The fact he never asked is huge...

That is why he is my number one along with Misty

Squidward

04-09-2009, 11:18 PM

Squidward, do you think something came back forensically on that cinder block and they were looking for the same tiny fibers or something on the screen part of the door?

Did we ever figure out if that door had one of those things on top that holds the door open where fibers or something might have gotten stuck? Even if it didn't work, someone might have tried that first. I need to look a pics of that door again. Unreal that they left it until later.

I honestly can NOT understand why they left that door behind. They may have gotten some forensics back for the door, but any defense attorney worth their weight could/would challenge any such evidence once it had been released to the public and been contaminated.

teresa

04-09-2009, 11:19 PM

I am still not 100% certain LE took the screen door because Ron said they took the door, locks and all

The screen door had a simple plastic thingee all screen doors have but the storm door had the lock and dead bolt

We see the hard door there in the video but that could be a replacement door because they will not leave the house without a door

That's a good point. I think some of us just assumed it was the outside door because in the NG interview only the outside door was gone. I know reporters saw them leave with a door and I haven't read any of them say it was the inside door but you may be right. I think he did say locks and all. Maybe they at least took the locks out and replaced them.

Squidward

04-09-2009, 11:21 PM

But remember that LE separated them that first day and then Misty went to her parent's house. She was probably scared to face Ron at that point so I don't know how much time he had to question her at that point. Since then, I hope he is questioning her every single day.

I hope so too. They haven't said anything about questioning her since the Today Show, I really hope they are not handling her with kid gloves, they stated and I believe she holds the key to finding this precious little girl.

teresa

04-09-2009, 11:22 PM

Teresa, I am with you. I want Haleigh found and no matter who ..........no matter who is responsible for being gone, I want them punished.

Also, if I was a member of this family, I would be at the PD department everyday. I would talk to the media.............whoever I could reach to plead for people to help find my child.

That is just me..........

MOO

Me too Peaches. I wish there was media closer by so we could know more what is going on. I think Ron's lawyer didn't want the custody fight fought on TV but they need to get him out there to keep the pressure on somebody.

Unless LE already knows who they are after and it doesn't matter if Haleigh's face is on TV. I'm driving myself nuts worrying about this.

teresa

04-09-2009, 11:28 PM

I hope so too. They haven't said anything about questioning her since the Today Show, I really hope they are not handling her with kid gloves, they stated and I believe she holds the key to finding this precious little girl.

If they aren't even trying to question her, I give up on them. I'm sure they have but there's no media there to let us know. If they are trying and she says no, it looks like they have enough to at least threaten to arrest her to where she'll get a lawyer and we would surely know that. I hope!

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 11:30 PM

Me too Peaches. I wish there was media closer by so we could know more what is going on. I think Ron's lawyer didn't want the custody fight fought on TV but they need to get him out there to keep the pressure on somebody.

Unless LE already knows who they are after and it doesn't matter if Haleigh's face is on TV. I'm driving myself nuts worrying about this.

This case has been awful quiet lately and in this world, the quieter it gets, the more it is forgotten

And that is tragic

Seems like all the interest is still on Casey Anthony despite the fact that poor baby she allegedly killed has been found

Maybe it is just me ... but i find that so wrong

I think the focus should be on the ones NOT found!

crwofter1

04-09-2009, 11:32 PM

OOPS...............we have 2 threads here for Haleigh.

What do we do?

Hi All
I didn't know what happened, but where ever I was at it said I couldn't post or reply. I thought I was banned. I was pming people trying to find out what was going on, anyway glad to be here. I lite a candle today for Haleigh, there was 86 candles today still lit for her. :sad:Sure pray she is still with us, but so much time goes by.

Squidward

04-09-2009, 11:39 PM

Hi All
I didn't know what happened, but where ever I was at it said I couldn't post or reply. I thought I was banned. I was pming people trying to find out what was going on, anyway glad to be here. I lite a candle today for Haleigh, there was 86 candles today still lit for her. :sad:Sure pray she is still with us, but so much time goes by.

I did not know there were 2 threads for Haleigh, hope CW merges them, has anyone asked her to?

Prayers for Haleigh

teresa

04-09-2009, 11:42 PM

This case has been awful quiet lately and in this world, the quieter it gets, the more it is forgotten

And that is tragic

Seems like all the interest is still on Casey Anthony despite the fact that poor baby she allegedly killed has been found

Maybe it is just me ... but i find that so wrong

I think the focus should be on the ones NOT found!

You aren't alone. I have visited forums and newspaper sites everywhere and I haven't heard anyone say they prefer to hear about CA over Haleigh and other missing kids. I wonder who the people are that are giving them the ratings to keep CA front and center with all the attention. They must not care as much as we do. I think they would if they saw the videos and pictures of Haleigh that we have seen.

Politigal

04-09-2009, 11:44 PM

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Two-Months-Have-Passed-Since-Haleighs/RN-ZBAMzt0ahDKRjR7nIdg.cspx?rss=10

Squidward

04-09-2009, 11:47 PM

This case has been awful quiet lately and in this world, the quieter it gets, the more it is forgotten

And that is tragic

Seems like all the interest is still on Casey Anthony despite the fact that poor baby she allegedly killed has been found

Maybe it is just me ... but i find that so wrong

I think the focus should be on the ones NOT found!

It has, and I hope and pray that people have not forgotten Haleigh, she needs all the help she can get, I hope and pray that she is found safe and alive, but even if she is (can't type the word) she needs to be found, her family needs closer.:crying:

I won't give up on finding Haleigh! and I hope that you guys don't either!

Politigal

04-09-2009, 11:53 PM

I think law enforcement needs to go back to the river, doing more sonar searches there.

crwofter1

04-09-2009, 11:53 PM

You aren't alone. I have visited forums and newspaper sites everywhere and I haven't heard anyone say they prefer to hear about CA over Haleigh and other missing kids. I wonder who the people are that are giving them the ratings to keep CA front and center with all the attention. They must not care as much as we do. I think they would if they saw the videos and pictures of Haleigh that we have seen.

I am so sad by the media not putting her precious face out there. I said before I don't understand the ratings thing, but I find morally wrong. I don't even watch Nancy Disgrace anymore. It breaks my heart to think this case could go cold. I never thought CMA would be found, and she was. I still try to hold out hope for Little HC. I just keep praying. I'm still crying for Sandra, and her family. I hope they get the killer, and quickly. I think it's just a matter of time in that case. Well, I'm exhausted, these cases weigh heavy on my mind at bedtime. Keep searching for answers, and there just not there. Happy Easter Everyone!!:smile:

TaraCrazyHair

04-09-2009, 11:54 PM

teresa

04-09-2009, 11:59 PM

I am so sad by the media not putting her precious face out there. I said before I don't understand the ratings thing, but I find morally wrong. I don't even watch Nancy Disgrace anymore. It breaks my heart to think this case could go cold. I never thought CMA would be found, and she was. I still try to hold out hope for Little HC. I just keep praying. I'm still crying for Sandra, and her family. I hope they get the killer, and quickly. I think it's just a matter of time in that case. Well, I'm exhausted, these cases weigh heavy on my mind at bedtime. Keep searching for answers, and there just not there. Happy Easter Everyone!!:smile:

Happy Easter crwofter1. I'm headed over soon to catch up on little Sandra. I think they'll get to the truth there.

p/s - I got lost too and had to pm someone for help to find the Haleigh thread. I even read the last few pages again to see if a fight broke out!

teresa

04-10-2009, 12:01 AM

I highly suggest anyone with a young child to get a Fly phone

It is under parents complete supervision and a simple tough of a button will call 911

I bought my grandson (age 8) one for Christmas and Lord Forbid anything happened to him, he can hit a single button to call home or 911 and even if he cant talk .. it can be traced

I sleep better knowing this

Good idea. We tried the gps thing on our daughter's phone and the stupid plan asks the person with the phone first if it's ok for someone to check where they are! They may have changed it since then but that would defeat the purpose with a teenager you're trying to track.

crwofter1

04-10-2009, 12:13 AM

Good idea. We tried the gps thing on our daughter's phone and the stupid plan asks the person with the phone first if it's ok for someone to check where they are! They may have changed it since then but that would defeat the purpose with a teenager you're trying to track.

Teresa
check your pm
Talk to you tomorrow.
Night Everyone

Squidward

04-10-2009, 12:15 AM

Squid, if LE is looking at the locking mechanism inside.... nothing would be contaminated... jmo

Maybe LE is looking to see how easy it would be to 'bump'?

Did they take the door? the lock? or the screen door? or all of the above?

Do we even know?

I REALLY want them to have SOMETHING in this case.

Prayers for Haleigh

Babes

04-10-2009, 12:16 AM

Maybe she was crying when Misty returned and Bad things happened..?? Is that possible?

Good Thinking.
I am quite suprise that we are not seeing more action , searches on the news about this case and this girl's been missing for about 2 months. or when Misty returned she was very mad that the bed is all wet and bad things happened...

teresa

04-10-2009, 12:21 AM

GRACE: Why did police take your back door off the hinges and take it away, Ronald?

CUMMINGS: I`m not sure. They took it for some further investigation. I think the locks and everything. They want to check some things that those -- you would have to ask them, the investigators on that one, Miss Nancy.

Tara, he did say locks and all so at the least I think they took the outside door and the locks from the inside door, if not both of them. I wonder if lock bumping is able to be detected?

Squidward

04-10-2009, 12:33 AM

teresa

04-10-2009, 12:40 AM

Thanks!

I just don't believe much that comes out of Ron's mouth, then again he WAS talking to MS NANCY :rolleyes:

BTW I also don't believe everything that comes out of Crystal's mouth either!

I wish we knew if lock bumping was detectable. I wish we knew any evidence LE has to tell you the truth. I go from thinking they have enough evidence to know what happened but are waiting to be led to her body to thinking they don't know a thing. It's very frustrating. I'll never forget Haleigh and I hope LE doesn't.

The FBI was there so fast that I can't believe this is a perfect crime, you know?

Squidward

04-10-2009, 12:57 AM

I wish we knew if lock bumping was detectable. I wish we knew any evidence LE has to tell you the truth. I go from thinking they have enough evidence to know what happened but are waiting to be led to her body to thinking they don't know a thing. It's very frustrating. I'll never forget Haleigh and I hope LE doesn't.

The FBI was there so fast that I can't believe this is a perfect crime, you know?

I can't and don't believe it's a perfect crime either, I am discouraged by LE in Satsuma, especially after seeing everyone's (and their Grandma's) record(s) literally. Did this poor baby even have a chance?

I know that this makes NO sense but I hope that this was a random act of a SO, I just don't feel it is, and it breaks my heart!

Of course it would break my heart either way.

I can't stand to think that someone who knew her, saw her every day, loved her, could do something/anything to compromise HER safety or harm her in any way! :crying:

I hope I am wrong, but I feel the answer to what happened to Haleigh is much closer to home. :crying:

MoonFlwr

04-10-2009, 01:06 AM

Hi everyone (if anyone is still awake and on here, lol)

Here's something we haven't discussed before (I think). When Ronald was giving one of his first interviews, he was describing the events and I'm paraphrasing here because I'm on my old clunker laptop and don't have the link, but he said "she gave me a hug and a kiss, loved on me and told me she'd see me when I got home".

I always wanted to bring that up here, but forgot each time I logged on. He didn't say "she'd see me in the morning" or anything like that, he said "she'd see me when I got home". Does that strike anyone else as odd?

jmo

Interesting observation.

Who knows, maybe she usually stirred when he came home, with the noise of him entering the house.

I stir whenever my partner comes into the room and I am asleep. Just his walking in wakes me.

teresa

04-10-2009, 01:06 AM

I can't and don't believe it's a perfect crime either, I am discouraged by LE in Satsuma, especially after seeing everyone's (and their Grandma's) record(s) literally. Did this poor baby even have a chance?

I know that this makes NO sense but I hope that this was a random act of a SO, I just don't feel it is, and it breaks my heart!

Of course it would break my heart either way.

I can't stand to think that someone who knew her, saw her every day, loved her, could do something/anything to compromise HER safety or harm her in any way! :crying:

I hope I am wrong, but I feel the answer to what happened to Haleigh is much closer to home. :crying:

I hope one of the family members took her! Or a nice, but wrong, person who wanted a little girl just to love and not to hurt. I know that's a silly dream but I would love for them to find an alive Haleigh.

Squidward

04-10-2009, 01:06 AM

I wish we knew if lock bumping was detectable. I wish we knew any evidence LE has to tell you the truth. I go from thinking they have enough evidence to know what happened but are waiting to be led to her body to thinking they don't know a thing. It's very frustrating. I'll never forget Haleigh and I hope LE doesn't.

The FBI was there so fast that I can't believe this is a perfect crime, you know?

I will never forget Haleigh either.

I hope the rest of us don't.

I can't help but think the reason LE has been soooo quiet about this case is that they have nothing. I have thought that they are waiting for her body (I hate typing that), but then I think why aren't they looking for her??

She needs to be found!!!

I know there is quite a large area to cover, and I know that both Caylee and Sandra were found by accident. I just don't think they looked for Haleigh long enough.

It is tho unfair for me to say this cause where is LE supposed to look? I dunno :confused:

Squidward

04-10-2009, 01:10 AM

I hope one of the family members took her! Or a nice, but wrong, person who wanted a little girl just to love and not to hurt. I know that's a silly dream but I would love for them to find an alive Haleigh.

I want the same thing, my hubby thought I was crazy earlier cause I said "I hope somebody who can't have kids saw her and wanted her", it does not by any means make it right, but at least they would have taken care of her, she'd be safe and alive!

I won't give up hope for Haleigh!

MoonFlwr

04-10-2009, 01:15 AM

I want the same thing, my hubby thought I was crazy earlier cause I said "I hope somebody who can't have kids saw her and wanted her", it does not by any means make it right, but at least they would have taken care of her, she'd be safe and alive!

I won't give up hope for Haleigh!

I wonder if there are any recorded cases of that happening? A child taken and treated as part of a new family...(well treated etc).

carlybarly

04-10-2009, 01:25 AM

I'm with you Teresa! I'd rather have some misguided person have her and love her than the other possiblities. I'll take a Gone Baby Gone scenerio over the one that seems to be playing out here.

At this point, I really don't know what to think, anything and i mean anything could be possible at this time involving any of them. As much as I don't believe Ron or Misty killed her, accidentally or otherwise, with nothing coming to light it is a possiblity. The same with as much as I don't feel Crystal had anything to do with this, that is still a possiblity.

I truly hope that this Easter weekend brings us a miracle because it is long overdue!

Squidward

04-10-2009, 01:26 AM

I wonder if there are any recorded cases of that happening? A child taken and treated as part of a new family...(well treated etc).

I don't know, and I know I am grasping at straws here, I just want Haleigh's case to have an end much better, than poor little Sandra's case, it just breaks my heart...seeing her skipping so carefree... I have a child Sandra's age, I also have a child Haleigh's age, so it REALLY breaks my heart.

I WANT to and I will believe she is OK, even tho the statistics point to the fact that she's not.

I will have to google that tho, it would be interesting to know if that has happened in the past.

Prayers for Haleigh!:wub:

teresa

04-10-2009, 01:33 AM

teresa

04-10-2009, 01:36 AM

Maybe......but maybe she saw headlights outside or something and wandered out. I know Ron said she would never go out by herself, that she was scared of the dark, but if she thought her dad was outside? I know, what are the odds?

I'm sickened that there is no new news.

jmo

Don't give me any new theories to worry about! I'm also sick over no news. I think it's time for LE to leak something to at least put pressure on somebody. I have never seen a totally leak proof case before. I haven't watched that many but this is unreal.

Squidward

04-10-2009, 01:49 AM

Don't give me any new theories to worry about! I'm also sick over no news. I think it's time for LE to leak something to at least put pressure on somebody. I have never seen a totally leak proof case before. I haven't watched that many but this is unreal.

IA! It makes me wonder what LE has? If they have ANYTHING?

:confused:

Not trying to bash LE, but NO leaks makes me worried :scared:

teresa

04-10-2009, 02:07 AM

Also noticed Sheriff Hardy & Ronald Cummings go to the same church. Is it that small of a world down there? I shouldn't speak so freely about the church, but the church Ronald and Misty wanted to get married in is the same church Sheriff Hardy attends. Wild.

jmo

I read (and this may not be true) that Sheriff Hardy is not from there and may be from the same area as Kim P and Cobra.

Is is a Baptist church? I lived in a town that size once and we still had a church on every corner. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at all the connections between the various characters seeing it's such a small town. The one I lived in did the same thing - married each other's ex's, etc.

teresa

04-10-2009, 02:11 AM

I don't know if anyone is still awake, but what year did Ronald graduate or did he dropout? Anyone? I'm curious because Sheriff Hardy was pretty involved in the Putnam County school district as far as I can tell. His job there lasted from 1997-2008. Would he have known Ronald back then?

moo

I don't know if he finished but you would think at some point he would have been in the school system. He would have been 13 in 1997.

MoonFlwr

04-10-2009, 02:27 AM

Very good movie.

O/T ..apologies!
Which movie?

As you said teresa, hope it won't turn into a case of never finding Haleigh! :sad: (Like Madeleine McCann :sad:)

Squidward

04-10-2009, 02:28 AM

No, it's the same church. You can read all about his campaign and his platform here http://www.hardyforsheriff.com/page4.html

Seems they had quite a high turnover rate and budget problems from the get-go. He did state pretty early on that Haleigh's case was causing a heavy financial burden.

jmo
Thank you for that link!!!

He did state financial problems early on .....IMO ....TOO early on,I think those issues would have been better handled, and especially in the case of a missing child, behind closed doors.

It seems as tho the crime and the and turnover rate was substantial before he became sheriff. I wonder what is/was going on in the Satsuma/Putnam PD, before they were so drastically brought under the spotlight.

I am sure (and well know) that this kind of "overlooking" of the facts happens everywhere, it just appears rampant in Satsuma/Putnam County.

teresa

04-10-2009, 02:35 AM

No, it's the same church. You can read all about his campaign and his platform here http://www.hardyforsheriff.com/page4.html

Seems they had quite a high turnover rate and budget problems from the get-go. He did state pretty early on that Haleigh's case was causing a heavy financial burden.

jmo

Wow. What would a small town police Lt know about Secret Service motorcades?

I'm sure this was overwhelming that it happened so early into his time in office. I hope he asked for and received additional funding from the state or federal govt. Finding Haleigh shouldn't come down to how much money you have in your budget.

teresa

04-10-2009, 02:37 AM

Very good movie.

If you subscribe to Starz it shows several times from Sat. April 11 through Fri. April 17th.

Thanks Kathy. I know we have some movie channels but I'm not positive on that one. I'll ask my daughter. I'd like to see it.

teresa

04-10-2009, 02:42 AM

51viking, he is from the same county as Kim P (maybe). The first phone number for Haleighbug donations was to a number in Deerfield Beach and Sheriff Hardy worked there. I don't know if they knew each other.

teresa

04-10-2009, 03:13 AM

That's interesting Teresa. I wonder if he knew Ron as well prior to Haleigh going missing. When you checked the website out, did you notice it was the same church he attended that Ron wanted to get married in? Looks the same to me as mentioned in this article http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Cummings-Marriage-Postponed/qI5s7C_ZJU2s1zjxplaNig.cspx

jmo

Looks like the same church name to me. These people are all connected! I hope someone writes a good book someday (hopefully with a happy ending).

This is such a strange case. I think I'm headed to bed 51. It was nice to see you.

cat3

04-10-2009, 03:38 AM

Cat 3, I was wondering how far Tyler Street is from the house by way of any short cuts??

Hi CK.I just made my way over and saw your post.I'm not sure of any short cuts,but if you look on Google maps,Tyler is the next block over from Green Ln.
At the time I listened to the dispatch radio transmission I thought it was odd that the officer said 'what's happening on Tyler' shortly after responding to the incident at Green Ln.
So something was going on at the Tyler St address shortly after the call came in about Haleigh,or at least it seems so to me.
I later read on another site that Misty has family members that live on Tyler,but I'm not sure if that is correct.
Here is what I read about where the dogs tracked:
From the rear of the Cummings residence to the pond,and back to Green Ln.They then tracked to a small building with an open door.Continued north past the Cummings home down to Monroe.Onto Buchanan(sp)Circle,which loped back to Monroe.Continued down Buffalo Bluff Rd and stopped at RR tracks.
This tracking was from one of the early reports so I'm not sure if it is correct,but it seems that in order to get to Monroe you would have to pass Tyler,and in order to get from Buchanan Circle to Buffalo Bluff you would again have to pass through Tyler,unless someone did go off road or use a short cut.IMO

cat3

04-10-2009, 03:52 AM

Also noticed Sheriff Hardy & Ronald Cummings go to the same church. Is it that small of a world down there? I shouldn't speak so freely about the church, but the church Ronald and Misty wanted to get married in is the same church Sheriff Hardy attends. Wild.

jmo

That is weird.One of the strange things I noticed while looking at court cases,and it seemed it was on the Sheffield side, or it could have been Chad Griffis,I can't remember now,was a judge with the last name of Griffis.I'm sure no relation,just an odd coincidence.IMO

beachpatty

04-10-2009, 06:39 AM

O/T ..apologies!
Which movie?

As you said teresa, hope it won't turn into a case of never finding Haleigh! :sad: (Like Madeleine McCann :sad:)

& Trenton Duckett :sad:

Hi Moonie,
Happy Rabbit !
Beachie

MoonFlwr

04-10-2009, 06:44 AM

& Trenton Duckett :sad:

Hi Moonie,
Happy Rabbit !
Beachie

Hello Ms Patty! :seeya:

Texas48

04-10-2009, 07:43 AM

Hello Ms Patty! :seeya:Good morning everyone...others are going to bed and I'm waking up..??I believe I'm way too old to stay up as late as some..I go to bed early and then wide awake...early. For ALL to have a

"Good Friday."

beachpatty

04-10-2009, 07:47 AM

Good morning everyone...others are going to bed and I'm waking up..??I believe I'm way too old to stay up as late as some..I go to bed early and then wide awake...early. For ALL to have a

"Good Friday."

Morning Tex,
Slow morning huh?
It broke my heart to see the pics of Haleigh & Jr. coloring eggs and finding them last Easter :( Poor Jr will be lost this year without his Big Sis :sad:

Coffee is on!
Beach

Peaches

04-10-2009, 08:05 AM

Hopefully, today will be the day they find Haleigh.

Happy Good Friday to All................and I hope all of you have a wonderful Easter holiday....................make many happy memories with those you love.

n/t

04-10-2009, 08:11 AM

I haven't been keeping up with Haleigh's case since Sandra's case. Have there been any new leads/clues?

I fear this case will go cold and we will never know what happened to this beautiful little girl. Yes, like so many mentioned in this thread...Madeleine, Trenton, Adji..and others...so sad. Where are these children? :rose: