Phil Spector Verdict Watch 4/9/09 thru 4/12

[GPSpector]

Adapted children are always suing for rights, too bad, no money left, ingrate.

Sorry to disappoint you, this adopted "child" does not hate his father nor do I have any interest in fighting for anything from him.

Offend someone else, some where else.

I'll do you a favor, by saying good bye.

[dref99]

dref! Hello, my friend. I'm a bit confused as to your last paragraph..I really do not understand it, please forgive.

Can you explain that in "Old Ladys" terms? LOL please re-explain that part.

Jester - do forgive my very late reply - I've been out at a family event

I think this was the comment you referred to
I would like to think some of the discussion relates to understanding the forensics and dismissing items of concern - I hope you are right - I just don't think the little man is worth such debate or concern or analysis - or frankly anything. I would think Lana's family deserve much more.

So what did I mean

1. I would like to think the jury are discussing issues of concern to some members - e.g. where the forensics differ between prosecution & defense - and reaching an agreed conclusion to any areas of disagreement

2. I hope you are right in that the time is not excessive and the jury will return a verdict

3. I don't believe Phil Spector deserves 26 hours of decision making - they are giving too much time to a ridiculous defense

4. Lana's family deserve some swift justice for the loss of their daughter/sister - they don't deserve to have to yet another jury spend so much time evaluating the obvious.

This is simply my opinion. I did not mean to confuse you in any way. It really comes down to the fact that I have NO idea what they could be discussing - as I have said so many times

2 people, 1 dead, 1 alive - his house, his guns and his history.


jmo

[eagleeer]

Adapted children are always suing for rights, too bad, no money left, ingrate.

Well sweatheart, you just flamed the wrong person here. Gary Spector is well respected member here and a friend to most all of us. But do go on with your childish rant. I am sure your time here will be limited. Not exactly the way to win friends and influence people. Don't you think?

[Mort_Snerd]

Not 100% true statements but do meet the requirements for "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Permanent ban will lock out the User Name forever, no recourse to re-use and all message threads started by that User Name are deleted.

Temporary ban suspends a user for a set period to time, offending post is removed but all others will remain.

If you still see other threads by a banned user, they will be back. If they all turned to foo foo dust, bye bye.

To see who is banned, go to the bottom of the Index page and click on "View Forum Leaders", after the moderator names will be the list of banned User Names.

Mortie

[interested]

The realities of why an IP ban is not workable:

http://kalsey.com/2004/02/why_ip_banning_is_useless/

Banning an IP address can have severe consequences. Many ISPs (including AOL) and companies use a proxy server that makes it appear as if all users are coming from a single (or a handful) if IP addresses. By blocking an IP address, you might be preventing a substantial portion of AOL users from commenting. Depending on your point of view, eliminating AOL may not be a great loss; however the same thing would happen to millions of users behind other proxy servers.

Hope this puts the matter to rest.

Justice for Lana ~ :rose:

[oodi]

Welcome Nielsen!! :seeya:

[hiitsme]

Judging my the join date on the poster's profile I would guess this is not a first time poster, just different nic. IMO

They're so transparent, aren't they? Everyone here, especially so close to a verdict, has been so nice, respectful and humorous. Ignoring the ignorant is the best thing to do!

[warhorse46]

Adapted children are always suing for rights, too bad, no money left, ingrate.


Adapted children? Yes, I think you are right, GPSpector has adapted very well to the h3ll of a life he was thrust into through no fault of his own. BTW, calling others names is not appropriate behavior in this forum, I would strongly suggest you refrain from doing so in the future.

[warhorse46]

How is it that "banned" posters manage to change their nic and hop right back on board only to continue to bait, harress, and just stir up trouble in general? I can usually tell as their agenda and style is exactly the same.

:shrug:

All they have to do is use a different nic & e-mail address to reregister.

[kennedy06]

I have always thought Phil probably respected the man that stands up to him. It was just a guess until last night I happened to open up Tearing D TW of S by Mick B. On page 294 my thoughts were confirmed.....by none other than a writer R. C. who had to deal with PS and took advice from JL on dealing with Phil.(paraphrasing)

If I may and as many other hear have also probably noted, just incase there is "someone in particular" lurking/reading, I have read GPs post and listened to his interviews when we could. I have never read him call his Father an unkind name, he has praised his Dad's abilities as a music producer, tried to reach out and help him when he thought one of PS Gold Records might be in the wrong place.

Deal is, from what I can figure GP and his brother had lived with PS longer than anyone next to Phil's mother, sister and George B. Others may have been in and out of his life but for day to day knowledge I'm sure he/they know a lot more about PS then they have ever acknowledged to any of us or anyone. Yet they don't come on and mock their Dad personally, they don't call him names and make fun of him. They don't post joyous posts of his downfall. IMO they have posted facts about their own lives which included life with Dad, and discussed a trial.

In the Harriet R. article, I was really shocked when I read how many private investigators PS had hired since the beginning of this case, I guess he only hired the best, smart move Phil.

One thing for sure, this case will end but PS sons will always be his children and no post will ever change that, so I think some need to get over that.:ohmy: If nothing else PS may have taught his sons to believe in the 1st amendment maybe and stand up in what they believe in. He has alot to be proud of.

Who would like the podium next:biggrin:

[kennedy06]

No wait I have thought of something else to say!

Yes I read that "Blog" (not T & T), I would like to know how they know that information about Juror 1. Still from what I read about this juror their job requires them to be patient and organized. They would have to be a "people" person and dealing with a certain segment of society it appears in family law, most likely have a kind heart. This could play either way I suppose, but IMO it says ok lets start at the beginning. So the Jamie L. readback says to me they covered any thoughts about what went on between Lana and Phil that night as far as intimate activities. Cleared any thoughts about that through the reading of what was collected and now they start with witness #1 - lets review....

I myself went back and reread Dorothy M. testimony on Trials and Tribs. There were things I had forgotten she had said and I had known of her testimony for 2 trials when she was on the stand....so I won't panic yet!

[vonna]

Ummm, please forgive my igonrance. I know that I requested a ban, not only on these boards, but in a PM as well. I have NEVER done that before - EVER. It is just that the viscious attacks on posters were escalating, and I felt they should stop.

Mt stupid question is...how do you KNOW that a person is banned?

I'm the idiot Jester, here. How do you know?

If you're an idiot - so am I! I wondered the same thing but was pleased about the possibility.

[hiitsme]

No wait I have thought of something else to say!

Yes I read that "Blog" (not T & T), I would like to know how they know that information about Juror 1. Still from what I read about this juror their job requires them to be patient and organized. They would have to be a "people" person and dealing with a certain segment of society it appears in family law, most likely have a kind heart. This could play either way I suppose, but IMO it says ok lets start at the beginning. So the Jamie L. readback says to me they covered any thoughts about what went on between Lana and Phil that night as far as intimate activities. Cleared any thoughts about that through the reading of what was collected and now they start with witness #1 - lets review....

I myself went back and reread Dorothy M. testimony on Trials and Tribs. There were things I had forgotten she had said and I had known of her testimony for 2 trials when she was on the stand....so I won't panic yet!

I love your posts. You have rekindled my hope that this jury will come through with the correct verdict of guilty!

[hiitsme]

Time for the silly question of the day, as there is not too much else going on here. Isn't Monday a holiday in the States?

I don't think so.

[vonna]

Time for the silly question of the day, as there is not too much else going on here. Isn't Monday a holiday in the States?

No - Monday is not a holiday.

[Jayne]

Monday is a holiday in some states..if not federal...schools are off...back in the boonies where I grew up it is..still.

It's considered a "holy day" "holiday"...won't bore you with the religious context of it..

jmo

J

[oodi]

Thanks to all who answered. It's a gov't holiday here (Canada, eh), no courts, that's why I wondered. Good, we can get on with the show again then.


Yeah... but I think it's Monday that Sprocket can't be in court all day. :sad:

[Jayne]

I went briefly on a few other threads...I cannot believe how horrible people are..

PS pales in comparison, IMO, as to their vehement, vile, spewing garbage...

This is a holiday/holy weekend...I think I have to "shut down" and not come back until Monday.

I do NOT understand people...just don't get it..

jmo

J

[kennedy06]

Its a holiday in the UK:thumbsup:

Yes and you also have Sir Paul so quit rubbing it in!:laugh:

[Details]

One note - CW usually says that if you see a post you think is outside of TOS, attacking another poster, etc. - even if you must reply, don't quote it. If she wants to delete it, a bunch of posts quoting the offending post make that much more difficult.

[Details]

Yeah... but I think it's Monday that Sprocket can't be in court all day. :sad:Noooooooooo!
I think the court should take Monday as a holiday then, and any other day inconvenient to Sprocket! :tongueside: We need our reporter in the court!

[oodi]

Noooooooooo!
I think the court should take Monday as a holiday then, and any other day inconvenient to Sprocket! :tongueside: We need our reporter in the court!

I'm with you! The court should arrange things around Sprocket's schedule, so we don't miss anything!!! :thumbsup:

Unfortunately, I doubt they give a rusty rat's patootie about Sprocket's schedule, or us for that matter. :sad:

[Carol25]

I have always thought Phil probably respected the man that stands up to him. It was just a guess until last night I happened to open up Tearing D TW of S by Mick B. On page 294 my thoughts were confirmed.....by none other than a writer R. C. who had to deal with PS and took advice from JL on dealing with Phil.(paraphrasing)

If I may and as many other hear have also probably noted, just incase there is "someone in particular" lurking/reading, I have read GPs post and listened to his interviews when we could. I have never read him call his Father an unkind name, he has praised his Dad's abilities as a music producer, tried to reach out and help him when he thought one of PS Gold Records might be in the wrong place.

Deal is, from what I can figure GP and his brother had lived with PS longer than anyone next to Phil's mother, sister and George B. Others may have been in and out of his life but for day to day knowledge I'm sure he/they know a lot more about PS then they have ever acknowledged to any of us or anyone. Yet they don't come on and mock their Dad personally, they don't call him names and make fun of him. They don't post joyous posts of his downfall. IMO they have posted facts about their own lives which included life with Dad, and discussed a trial.

In the Harriet R. article, I was really shocked when I read how many private investigators PS had hired since the beginning of this case, I guess he only hired the best, smart move Phil.

One thing for sure, this case will end but PS sons will always be his children and no post will ever change that, so I think some need to get over that.:ohmy: If nothing else PS may have taught his sons to believe in the 1st amendment maybe and stand up in what they believe in. He has alot to be proud of.

Who would like the podium next:biggrin:
Kennedy, that was an excellent post and I agree with everything but the end. Just as an example, in my life and in many it was a dysfuntional life. But I decided very young in life not to be a parent as mine were. I would be loving and make it known. As to the world I would be tolerant and objective. My parents were as good of parents as they could be considering the issues they had to deal with at the time. I think Gary and Claudius may have learned their wisdom in same manner.

Could PS be proud? Yes, but not willing to admit it. He may have had nothing to do with it. My father once said, How you two (I have a brother) came out so righteous is beyond me, I had nothing to do with it."

[oodi]

Me rub in it in, never lol..... Ah yes, we have Paul McCartney too, thanks for the friendly reminder:thumbsup: Who is it you have again lol - only joking:tongueside:

Nic


Tom Selleck!!! :thumbsup:

[bearwds]

Any volunteers to step up Monday for court coverage in the absence of T/T..??


bearwds

[oodi]

It's about a 350 mile drive for me. I don't think I could sit in a car long enough to make it.

[oodi]

Show off:rolleyes:

Sorry... I couldn't resist. :blushing:

[vonna]

Kennedy, that was an excellent post and I agree with everything but the end. Just as an example, in my life and in many it was a dysfuntional life. But I decided very young in life not to be a parent as mine were. I would be loving and make it known. As to the world I would be tolerant and objective. My parents were as good of parents as they could be considering the issues they had to deal with at the time. I think Gary and Claudius may have learned their wisdom in same manner.

Could PS be proud? Yes, but not willing to admit it. He may have had nothing to do with it. My father once said, How you two (I have a brother) came out so righteous is beyond me, I had nothing to do with it."

But he DID! He taught you how NOT to be. I know from personal experience.

[Exiled.]

I went briefly on a few other threads...I cannot believe how horrible people are..

PS pales in comparison, IMO, as to their vehement, vile, spewing garbage...

This is a holiday/holy weekend...I think I have to "shut down" and not come back until Monday.

I do NOT understand people...just don't get it..

jmo

J


You must have been visiting the Caylee Anthony forum.

[bearwds]

Well you live in Cali. Is L.A. far from you? :thumbsup:

***************************

Might as well be Mars.

Medical.


bearwds

[Carol25]

But he DID! He taught you how NOT to be. I know from personal experience.
You're right. We choose our paths from experiences. Or what was instilled in our hearts from before birth.

[Anakerie]

Well you live in Cali. Is L.A. far from you? :thumbsup:
Hmmm... I was just in So. Cal. last week.... In Riverside, though... Left there at 5:30am and got back to my folks' house about 4pm... Loooonnnng drive........... lol

Maybe one of the other trial watchers that go sit with Sprocket, like Linda from San Diego, will spend the afternoon hours there and give phone updates to Sprocket?

[True2Blues]

Oh yeah? Well here in Canada we have......um......er......nevermind.

Ice Hockey, and I thank you for it! The season opener is all that gets me through the summer. LOL

Let's go Blues!

[Carol25]

I think that is a good idea. Even someone from the court could call Sprocket to informher of "buzzes". Can someone email Sprocket and ask her to arrange for a person to give her updates or at least inform her of "buzzes?"

[vonna]

Hey CJ,

M2Cents is busy taking care of her sick mother. Don't think she'll be around Monday.

What is the ladies name who spent time with Sprocket last week because her train doesn't leave until 3:30 in the afternoon? Perhaps she can assist.

[vonna]

linda from san diego

Good for you! That's her name. Perhaps she could devise a means to get us some updates. On the other hand - does this mean a verdict will be reached and we won't know about it?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Oh yeah? Well here in Canada we have......um......er......nevermind.


Well,...we have the Sutherland's..Donald and Keiffer...not to mention some rather famous vocal artists...LOL..As much as we are in the NORTHERN frontier..we arent all in Igloo's...LOL

I do hope PS is found guilty of murder whether its 2nd degree or manslaughter..Dont care...He simply must be held accountable!!

Unfortunately, ( blessed to be working) I have to work..so missed so much of PS2..and have to catchup on T&T and posts here..not the same for me tho...as watched live streaming in PS1..So...TY all so much for keeping my UTD!!:smile:

LMS

[GPSpector]

Gee, I take a "nap" for 8 hours :wink: and now I think I've crossed the Northern Border:laugh:

For Star Trek fans, isn't William Shatner and Patrick Stewart both from North of our Border?



To reply to a couple of posts. My mailbox has a bit more room again, thank you all for the comments.

And yes, I do give some credit to my father for me being the way that I am. I hate to say it but I think of him as an Anti-Model but I do still care about him.

[True2Blues]

Actually, I'm a diehard Leaf fan. My son keeps threatening to put mea lot in a home for the challenged if he's watching the game with me. The words "raving lunatic" have been thrown about more than once!

I hear that a lot myself. LOL Mind you, I have gotten optimism this weekend from Hockey. After the injuries early this season, major players missing and a bunch of new kids, no one thought we'd make the playoffs this year. I knew they could do it and they did.

If the Blues can make the playoffs, this jury can get it in gear and come up with a Guilty of Murder 2 verdict!

[True2Blues]

Hello, why? - you are spot on about the time in deliberations. This has been a 5 month trial. The longest trial I've experienced as a juror was 7 days. It took us 16.5 hours to go through all the evidence and discussion and "argument" to come to a verdict.

I'm not worried....just impatient.

Just the Jester

Me too. It's two trials for most of us and we're ready for some Justice to get meted out. After 6 years, it has to be exhausting and agonizing for the Clarksons.

[vonna]

Me too. It's two trials for most of us and we're ready for some Justice to get meted out. After 6 years, it has to be exhausting and agonizing for the Clarksons.

It has, indeed And it must be agonizing for Gary, also.

[Carol25]

How about Gary? Does he have a lap top and can be at court?

[oodi]

How about Gary? Does he have a lap top and can be at court?


He'd have to drive or fly from CO to CA.

[Carol25]

He'd have to drive or fly from CO to CA.
Oh. So I guess that's out, huh?

[Carol25]

How about Alan Jackson? We'll get it from the horses mouth? :biggrin:

[oodi]

Oh. So I guess that's out, huh?

I haven't heard him say he had any plans to go, but I guess anything is possible.

[oodi]

How about Alan Jackson? We'll get it from the horses mouth? :biggrin:

LOL... like I posted earlier... they ought to just rearrange court so Sprocket can be there, and we can be promptly informed!

[Carol25]

I haven't heard him say he had any plans to go, but I guess anything is possible.
Okay, you ask.

[Carol25]

LOL... like I posted earlier... they ought to just rearrange court so Sprocket can be there, and we can be promptly informed!
What's so all fired important that Sprocket has to do? She is indispensible! I know she needs a break, but NOW? Is she having a baby or sumthun?

We really have to send her something after this... maybe truck load of sewing orders!

[oodi]

Okay, you ask.


Hey... it was YOUR idea... YOU ask!!! :biggrin:

What's so all fired important that Sprocket has to do? She is indispensible! I know she needs a break, but NOW? Is she having a baby or sumthun?

For her sake, I certainly hope not! :scared:

[eagleeer]

LOL... like I posted earlier... they ought to just rearrange court so Sprocket can be there, and we can be promptly informed!

oodi,

Respectfully that is the second time you have said this today. You know that your suggestion is most rediculous. I realize that you may? be kidding but to think that the court would accomodate Sprocket is ludicrous. She is just another reporter wannabe that has injected herself in this trial from the get go for her own personal agenda. If you and others haven't figured that out by now you are cheating your own minds. Haven't you all wondered why she was banned from this board? Or, were you not aware of that?

[Carol25]

oodi,

Respectfully that is the second time you have said this today. You know that your suggestion is most rediculous. I realize that you may? be kidding but to think that the court would accomodate Sprocket is ludicrous. She is just another reporter wannabe that has injected herself in this trial from the get go for her own personal agenda. If you and others haven't figured that out by now you are cheating your own minds. Haven't you all wondered why she was banned from this board? Or, were you not aware of that?
I believed she chose to leave after a controversy.

[eagleeer]

What's so all fired important that Sprocket has to do? She is indispensible! I know she needs a break, but NOW? Is she having a baby or sumthun?

We really have to send her something after this... maybe truck load of sewing orders!

Mother Teresa might have been indispensible but not Sprocket. Some of you think that she walks on water. Guess what, she doesn't.

[eagleeer]

I believed she chose to leave after a controversy.

She had no choice to leave. She was banned pure and simple.

[tartangirl]

Ice Hockey, and I thank you for it! The season opener is all that gets me through the summer. LOL

Let's go Blues!


Although I am late here today, I am forever a hockey fan and a true seeker of Justice for Lana and the Clarkson family each and every day. I have a close connection to someone who will tell any and all that The Anaheim Ducks are the best and always will be. My city's team is playing the season closer soon, but I have been yelling GO BLUES for a while now myself as True well knows. :wink:

So a hat trick I foresee soon, jury gathered with nerves of steel, logical and factual decisions made by all, and that swift and sweeping 2nd Degree Murder verdict to bring it home and score the final goal. It is all possible. I still have the faith in this jury and in Lady Justice.

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[oodi]

oodi,

Respectfully that is the second time you have said this today. You know that your suggestion is most rediculous. I realize that you may? be kidding but to think that the court would accomodate Sprocket is ludicrous. She is just another reporter wannabe that has injected herself in this trial from the get go for her own personal agenda. If you and others haven't figured that out by now you are cheating your own minds. Haven't you all wondered why she was banned from this board? Or, were you not aware of that?

Of course I was kidding... I guess I should have been more clear about that. It didn't occur to me that anyone would think I was being serious. Sorry for the confusion. :blushing:

[True2Blues]

Although I am late here today, I am forever a hockey fan and a true seeker of Justice for Lana and the Clarkson family each and every day. I have a close connection to someone who will tell any and all that The Anaheim Ducks are the best and always will be. My city's team is playing the season closer soon, but I have been yelling GO BLUES for a while now myself as True well knows. :wink:

So a hat trick I foresee soon, jury gathered with nerves of steel, logical and factual decisions made by all, and that swift and sweeping 2nd Degree Murder verdict to bring it home and score the final goal. It is all possible. I still have the faith in this jury and in Lady Justice.

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana


And I thank you for the help TG! :biggrin:

I'm ready for Team Justice to lower the boom on Spector. Go Team Go!

[Carol25]

she could have returned with a different nic if she wanted. it is not rocket science.
I do remember her saying she wouldn't be back. Probably that's what she meant.

[eagleeer]

I do remember her saying she wouldn't be back. Probably that's what she meant.

She said that on her blog, however she didn't have a choice. Not with her nic anyway.

[True2Blues]

Nothing should stop Justice moving forward. Justice for Lana Clarkson is most important. News of the days happenings (if there are any) will find it's way to the media. What really matters is that the Jury deliberates and things move forward.

[Anakerie]

oodi,

Respectfully that is the second time you have said this today. You know that your suggestion is most rediculous. I realize that you may? be kidding but to think that the court would accomodate Sprocket is ludicrous. She is just another reporter wannabe that has injected herself in this trial from the get go for her own personal agenda. If you and others haven't figured that out by now you are cheating your own minds. Haven't you all wondered why she was banned from this board? Or, were you not aware of that?
I'm curious, eagleer... Where would you suggest we have gone to get information on what was going on inside the courtroom during PS2? At least Sprocket was there in the courtroom every day and she did report on what both sides said. The main stream media were content to print a couple of paragraphs maybe once a week... And in those couple of paragraphs, one of them always said the same thing; Phil Spector is accused of murdering Lana Clarkson.. blah blah blah blah blah....

[Anakerie]

She had no choice to leave. She was banned pure and simple.
From what I understand a number of people were banned over some controversy. Sprocket simply decided NOT to return like the rest of them did.

[Anakerie]

She said that on her blog, however she didn't have a choice. Not with her nic anyway.
And your point is? I know of several people who got caught up in arguments on here and have decided to move on... Why do you have a problem with that?

[True2Blues]

and find Harv GUILTY!

Works for me, Guilty Murder 2!

[eagleeer]

Nothing should stop Justice moving forward. Justice for Lana Clarkson is most important. News of the days happenings (if there are any) will find it's way to the media. What really matters is that the Jury deliberates and things move forward.

True2, I know that I am not your favorite person but you are so right. I am not going to sit at my computer refreshing T&T all week waiting for a verdict. I am sure that you are right that as soon as the verdict is announced that Fox and others will report it as soon as it happens. :wink:

[Carol25]

True2, I know that I am not your favorite person but you are so right. I am not going to sit at my computer refreshing T&T all week waiting for a verdict. I am sure that you are right that as soon as the verdict is announced that Fox and others will report it as soon as it happens. :wink:
Sure. The media is right on top of this trial. :rolleyes:

[vonna]

And your point is? I know of several people who got caught up in arguments on here and have decided to move on... Why do you have a problem with that?

I was posting that night and vividly recall what Spocket said to get her banned. There was no controversy that I can recall- however, that is history.

[Anakerie]

**sigh** Personally I don't care WHO posts information about what is going on in the courtroom so long as information is available. Period, end of story.

I just want to know what the verdict is when it comes in and if possible, I'd LOVE to see the expression on Phil's face when it comes in... Yes. I want a guilty verdict. That is what I believe all the testimony and evidence points to.

Sorry Gary.. :sad:

[Carol25]

Perhaps their will be a live feed. But will we know theres a verdict? Guess we have to listen to Tru TV. Ugh.

Don't even know what channel that is anymore.

[True2Blues]

True2, I know that I am not your favorite person but you are so right. I am not going to sit at my computer refreshing T&T all week waiting for a verdict. I am sure that you are right that as soon as the verdict is announced that Fox and others will report it as soon as it happens. :wink:

I'm hoping so. No one may have bothered to air the trial, even though we asked, but I'm sure they'll jump in at whatever attention they can get out of broadcasting the verdict.

Maybe there will be another 'High Profile' hearing this week and they'll have someone in the area. You never know.

[oodi]

Perhaps their will be a live feed. But will we know theres a verdict? Guess we have to listen to Tru TV. Ugh.

Don't even know what channel that is anymore.

I'd tell ya, Carol... but I'm pretty sure it's a different channel for you than it is for me. :unsure:

[True2Blues]

Perhaps their will be a live feed. But will we know theres a verdict? Guess we have to listen to Tru TV. Ugh.

Don't even know what channel that is anymore.

Up until 3 pm eastern, at which point they go to other programming and won't announce it even if a verdict comes down. (Sigh) :angry:

[Exiled.]

I do remember her saying she wouldn't be back. Probably that's what she meant.

Who can say for sure that she didn't come back? Most do, with a different nic, and I don't think she is an exception.


imo.. and FOV...of course

[oodi]

How long is she gone for?

She was going to have to miss half the day... the afternoon, I think.

[Carol25]

She was going to have to miss half the day... the afternoon, I think.
And our world is is turned upside down, lol! She should know how important she is to us! :biggrin:

[True2Blues]

She was going to have to miss half the day... the afternoon, I think.

The way things go the Jury may be gone by the afternoon (Hopefully not). Once they've had their cookies they may call it a day the way things go in that courtroom.

[oodi]

Not a problem, then. We get a guilty verdict by 11am and all is well:laugh:

The jury was ordering cookies on Friday... I guess it could be to celebrate a verdict with. :unsure:

[Anakerie]

The jury was ordering cookies on Friday... I guess it could be to celebrate a verdict with. :unsure:

I wonder what kind of cookies were ordered... Maybe I should go buy some "special" cookies for myself! :tongueside:

[Jayne]

son's father's sister..said "bring cookies" to tomorrow's afternoon dinner..

went to three places today..NONE..

Maybe I should have asked the jury for their leftovers?

HEY...does VONS have cookies on Easter Morning?

J

[oodi]

I wonder what kind of cookies were ordered... Maybe I should go buy some "special" cookies for myself! :tongueside:

Make sure they're EXTRA special, just in case! :tongueside:

[oodi]

son's father's sister..said "bring cookies" to tomorrow's afternoon dinner..

went to three places today..NONE..

Maybe I should have asked the jury for their leftovers?

HEY...does VONS have cookies on Easter Morning?

J

I dunno, Jayne... but they probably have the Pillsbury slice 'n bake, if you really need something in a pinch. Get some sprinkles to kick 'em up a notch so they look homemade. LOL

[emsdallas]

Up until 3 pm eastern, at which point they go to other programming and won't announce it even if a verdict comes down. (Sigh) :angry:

Sometimes, after InSession is over, I will switch over to either HLN or CNN(if I'm home the TV's on no matter what), live coverage has been continued IF it is deemed high profile.

Of course I would prefer it live, but I will settle for delayed coverage of the verdict, which I still have faith in this jury. It should have been a slam dunk, but God only knows what's being debated in that room.

Justice for Lana, now please!!

[dref99]

oodi,

Respectfully that is the second time you have said this today. You know that your suggestion is most rediculous. I realize that you may? be kidding but to think that the court would accomodate Sprocket is ludicrous. She is just another reporter wannabe that has injected herself in this trial from the get go for her own personal agenda. If you and others haven't figured that out by now you are cheating your own minds. Haven't you all wondered why she was banned from this board? Or, were you not aware of that?

There were a large number of people ejected from the boards during PS1 - and some really pointless arguments and attacks on individuals.

This board is about a trial - not a blogger - but seeing as the blogger is the ONLY person to report on the trial on a daily basis - I see no reason to attack her. Nobody expects that the court would stop because she cannot attend - it is said in jest, simply because her reports are appreciated.

jmo

[cook4andy]

[QUOTE=Nic99;12996365]Hi,

Good news re: trial updates on Monday. Sprocket is getting Linda from San Diego to call through the Buzz updates to another T&T blogger, Ritanita, who will post the details on T&T and, if there is a verdict reached, Ritanita will be sending out the mass email to those who requested one.


Thanks Nic99 :thumbup: This is good news!

I had faith in Sprocket to come up w/a plan. :biggrin:

Dianna, from what I understand Sprocket will be there for the morning session.

Happy Easter everyone. :wub:

[vonna]

[QUOTE=Dianna;12996386]Reading back, these posts really slay me. The minute Sprocket can not attend, she has to wear a steel plate on her back. For God sakes, this is cruel and uncalled for. Take your happy azz and fly into Los Angeles and report on the Spector deliberation, yourselves!:glare:
This is totally unkind!
JMO[/QUOTE

Good morning, Dianna. Will we get a verdict this week?

[hiitsme]

I've never seen anyone post that Sprocket walks on water nor do we think it. There are some of us that really appreciate the hard work she has done so we can informed daily. If you aren't that is your deal, but don't trash her. If you think you could do a better job, please go do so.

She wasn't banned, she has vowed not to come back. I see her posting on other boards, she is well liked.

Now stop being your cranky self and go eat some easter candy.

AMEN says the Easter Bunny!

[GPSpector]

Happy
Easter
:thumbsup:

. · . ∙:chicken:

[vonna]

AMEN says the Easter Bunny!

Good morning, hiitsme. Ready for a M2 guilty verdict?

[hiitsme]

Good morning, hiitsme. Ready for a M2 guilty verdict?


Hi Vonna, yes most definitely. I've renewed my faith that this jury will do the right thing!

[tartangirl]

Good Morning,

This is a great day and far too sunny for me to be thinking of the defendant. As I do each day I will be thinking of of Lana and her family. Enjoy this day if you can, tomorrow is another day of deliberation or possibly one declaring a verdict. The very best to all of you. :smile:

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[oodi]

Happy Easter everyone!

[Anakerie]

I'll add a Happy Easter to everyone too! Enjoy all the Easter egg hunts today! This morning I even went hunting for some cute pics to put on my blog in honor of the day... lol.. I'll be heading over to my daughter's later to see how my grandson did on his egg hunt... lol

[Jayne]

Good Morning and Joyous Holiday, whichever you may be celebrating!

On CNN/crime page an article is suggesting that this PS jury is headed to the same conclusion as the last jury. :scared:

On the top of my wish list is that they've already decided guilt, they are discussing M2 or INV.

On to Monday.

:biggrinjester:

I think that may well be what they are deliberating. If they thought it was a slam dunk...no way...we'd have heard of it by now. Deliberations are what they are. Something is in the air. With this added IVMS (other state(s) it would be VMS..but that will fall on deaf ears with the legislature).

I agree with you...I think they are "scared"...they want to do the right thing...they are down between M2 and IVMS..and they haven't a clue how to figure it out. If they don't? another hung jury?

I hope not. If you are given 3 options: M2, IVMS, acquitted...what do they come down to? 12 for one 12 for another..or 10-2 or 6-6 and after a certain point in time..it's "hung"

I'm no soothsayer..but I see an IVMS coming down the pike or road for PS. And..of course, an appeal..that's why PS hired DW? I thnk this time, the court did the best thing to add IVMS.

jmo

j

[vonna]

Is there a difference between a "hung" jury and a "deadlocked" one?

I'd guess a deadlocked jury leads to being a hung jury.

[Mr. Moto2]

What's the sentencing for IVMS vs. M2?

[oodi]

What's the sentencing for IVMS vs. M2?


It has been posted before, but I can't find it at the moment. :unsure:

I think it was a minimum of 2 years for IVMS, but the gun enhancement would add 10 years to either of the charges.

[Mr. Moto2]

It has been posted before, but I can't find it at the moment. :unsure:

I think it was a minimum of 2 years for IVMS, but the gun enhancement would add 10 years to either of the charges.

You know, come to think of it, I read somewhere that prison time could be the same for either charge because of the gun and other factors involved. Just wonder what the minimum and maximum would be.

[tulpje]

I believed she chose to leave after a controversy.




No, sprocket was banned for very good reasons.

[FrankieBones1]

I've never seen anyone post that Sprocket walks on water nor do we think it. There are some of us that really appreciate the hard work she has done so we can informed daily. If you aren't that is your deal, but don't trash her. If you think you could do a better job, please go do so.

She wasn't banned, she has vowed not to come back. I see her posting on other boards, she is well liked.

Now stop being your cranky self and go eat some easter candy.
If you were to ask Coldwater, she will tell you what happened. Most of us know the whole story.

Anyway this forum isn't about a blogger. It is supposed to be about an impending verdict in a murder case.

I hope the jurors get it right this time around.

[FrankieBones1]

No, sprocket was banned for very good reasons.

Hi, Tulpje! Any idea what the make up of the jury is this time?

And why are they taking so long?

[Curlyjo]

Happy
Easter
:thumbsup:

. · . ∙:chicken:

The same to you!!!!!! You are quite a talented person:thumbsup:

[vonna]

Hi, Tulpje! Any idea what the make up of the jury is this time?

And why are they taking so long?

Hi Frankie! So good to see you. Here we are again awaiting a verdict.

[True2Blues]

If you were to ask Coldwater, she will tell you what happened. Most of us know the whole story.

Anyway this forum isn't about a blogger. It is supposed to be about an impending verdict in a murder case.

I hope the jurors get it right this time around.

Hi Frankie! Happy Easter!

I hope the jurors get it right this time too.

[tulpje]

Hi, Tulpje! Any idea what the make up of the jury is this time?

And why are they taking so long?




Hi Frankie!
I don't know why they take so long, my guess is that they are going over all the evidence very carefully.
It's a huge responsibility to sent someone to prison.

It's too bad we could not follow the trial on tv.


I'm thinking there will be a conclusion next week, one way or the other.

Happy Easter to all!

[Daisy'sMom]

True2, I know that I am not your favorite person but you are so right. I am not going to sit at my computer refreshing T&T all week waiting for a verdict. I am sure that you are right that as soon as the verdict is announced that Fox and others will report it as soon as it happens. :wink:

I'd rather buy the Globe than listen to Fox News!

[eagleeer]

I'd rather buy the Globe than listen to Fox News!

OK, HLN or CNN then. :wink:

[Anakerie]

No, sprocket was banned for very good reasons.
Lets just drop it, ok? Sprocket is no longer here, so the whole argument is ridiculous....

[Anakerie]

If you were to ask Coldwater, she will tell you what happened. Most of us know the whole story.

Anyway this forum isn't about a blogger. It is supposed to be about an impending verdict in a murder case.

I hope the jurors get it right this time around.
Thank you, Frankie...

I'm hoping the jury gets it right this time too.... And I hope there isn't another of the same ilk as Ben-ten and the wishy-washy one.

[eagleeer]

{bolding mine} Barring any new "illnesses" in the jury! It boggles my mind that the jurors would be asked as to the kind of cookies they would want for Monday. Geeze-O-Pete...only in California!

I really do believe that during the evidence phase, the jury should be allowed to return to their homes after court. BUT - during deliberations, the jury should be sequestered. IN ALL TRIALS.

Now don't jump on me... I realize the expense this would cause to all courts. Going forward, if all states did this, money would be put aside. Period. The money IS there. States would just revert the money spent on "saving the blue-green lizard in Mildred's Pond" to the justice system.

This IS my opinion.

Jester

Jester, or the Spotted Owl. :laugh:

[Exiled.]

Are you not paying attention to posters nics here? There are many posters here who came back after banning just adding I to their name or a period like Exiled has done. So if Sprocket wanted to come back all she had to do is this:

SPROCKET1

Get it?


Thank you for remembering me in your lesson.

[Exiled.]

She didn't. She has nothing to hide and would let everyone know who she is. You back back plenty of times and let everyone know who you are. Why wouldn't she?

On another note, when would she have time to post? FYI, she is rather busy not that you have noticed. You're too busy trying to police posters thoughts on this board, but never yourself.

:rolleyes:


You sure seem to know a lot about posters, bannings, and things that occured during PS1, considering you only registered here in March. Unless of course you were here too under a different nic. I wasn't too busy to respond to your ridiculous pm, was I?

[Curlyjo]

Also very patient ~ did you see all those inserts?

You are so right!

[RayStar]

Good question Why?. I would bend just to get a verdict. The gun charge is 10 years his life will be over with that amount of time in prison anyway.

[eagleeer]

Frankie.... the jury has only been out 26 hours, 46 minutes.

According to Sprocket's blog, in PS1 the jurors notified Judge Fidler that they were deadlocked at 27 hours. Irony? Hope not.

The jurors have one add'l element to consider in PS2. IVMS vs M2. IIRC, M2 carries a minimum of 15 years. IVMS is 2 - 4 years. Another 10 years is added for gun enhancement. I can't remember positively if IVMS also gets the gun enhancement.

The jurors started deliberations 3/26... but they only deliberate 4.5 hours a day and illnesses have plagued the jurors.

Cookies.... I do not think the jurors requested a certain cookie, the court clerk ordered a certain kind of cookie b/c the jurors seem to like them. I see that as pretty normal for the judge's clerk. I would not attribute the cookie :drool: envy to the jurors.

Keep the faith. Justice will be served.

If you were a juror and the vote was 6 for IVMS and 6 for M2... would you change your vote to IVMS to at least get him convicted.... when you already know this is a retrial? I would to avoid a hung jury.

Why? That will not work as it has to be unanimous 12 - 0 Guilty or Not Guilty on either charge. If not then it is hung jury. Mistrial

[Jayne]

I have faith that this will happen...that 10 year gun enhancement...there's no question about that..is there?

if he got the lesser of 5 years...we're still looking at 15 years.

CA has a more stringent one than NY did several years ago..it was, I think 2-10 years, depending on circumstances.

I think we're all getting worried about this for perhaps not much of a reason. I think this jury, beyond PS1, is going to dissect all the things..having a paralegal (OK) as foreman, but not an engineer. I mean no disrespect..they both can be tooth and nail.

I think we are going to come down to seeing an IVMS at the least...M2, hopefully...I do not think there will be a hung jury. But..I've been wrong..

jmo

J

[oodi]

Why? That will not work as it has to be unanimous 12 - 0 Guilty or Not Guilty on either charge. If not then it is hung jury. Mistrial


I think that is the point Why? was making... if all are in agreement on a guilty verdict, but there are 6 in favor of M2, they might be inclined to change their vote to IVMS so it would be 12-0 just to get a conviction, rather than another mistrial.

[eagleeer]

I think that is the point Why? was making... if all are in agreement on a guilty verdict, but there are 6 in favor of M2, they might be inclined to change their vote to IVMS so it would be 12-0 just to get a conviction, rather than another mistrial.

OK, I see what he was getting at. I was thinking he meant if just one juror changed from m2 to ivms. :blushing:

[eagleeer]

Jester is right and I am sorry I brought the whole thing up. My bad. I hope we can all let it rest PLEASE. I know I will. :blushing:

[vonna]

I think that is the point Why? was making... if all are in agreement on a guilty verdict, but there are 6 in favor of M2, they might be inclined to change their vote to IVMS so it would be 12-0 just to get a conviction, rather than another mistrial.

I think you're right - at least I hope so.

[oodi]

Jester is right and I am sorry I brought the whole thing up. My bad. I hope we can all let it rest PLEASE. I know I will. :blushing:

I totally agree!

[oodi]

So I guess we have to stop calling you mommy.

:tonguewag: - friendly tongue wag ... notice smile

:tongue: - hmmm, this one is smiling too.........

so how about this? :wink:

LOL... You are soooooooo bad! You better watch it, or she might whack that tongue off!

[oodi]

I thought we just agreed to play nice. :confused:

[FrankieBones1]

Frankie.... the jury has only been out 26 hours, 46 minutes. <<<Snipped a bit>>>


Seems like a lot longer but you're right. That's what happens when there are so many half days.

Vonna, True, Diana, Eagleeer, Jane, RayStar and all.

Good to see you all again.

I can't believe that HLN hasn't broadcasted a word about the deliberations yet.

[oodi]

:tonguewag: to me this tongue wag means joking or teasing, like siblings would do....... not being mad..... am I off my rocker here? Maybe I should not ask a question where the obvious answer is yes. :scared:




<maybe i see it this way because we have a 5 year-old>

I knew you were teasing CJ. You aren't any more off your rocker than some of the rest of us... myself included.

BTW... one of the best bumper stickers I ever saw belonged to a co-worker. It said: "Drugs??? Who needs them??? Raising kids is as far from reality as anyone could possibly get!!!"

[FrankieBones1]

You sure seem to know a lot about posters, bannings, and things that occured during PS1, considering you only registered here in March. Unless of course you were here too under a different nic. I wasn't too busy to respond to your ridiculous pm, was I?

My memory is just a memory these days. What side of the fence were you on in the first trial and has your opinion changed in this trial?

I sure miss updating trials. I came across all my 'transcripts' today on my harddrive from the first trial and started deleting. They sure took up a lot of space.

[FrankieBones1]

2nd time you've been rude to me.
I was trying to help you because it is too lengthy to explain. Lots of stuff has happened. Catch up and yes, please put me on ignore. I won't help you again. Sorry, how horrible of me.


I accept your apology. Now, can we please move on?

[vonna]

My memory is just a memory these days. What side of the fence were you on in the first trial and has your opinion changed in this trial?

I sure miss updating trials. I came across all my 'transcripts' today on my harddrive from the first trial and started deleting. They sure took up a lot of space.

Threads aren't the same without your participation, Frankie.

[FrankieBones1]

Threads aren't the same without your participation, Frankie.
Thanks, Miss Vonna. :wub:
I'm still ticked that this one wasn't televised. It's so much easier when everyone in on the same page (TV) watching. What one person misses, another picks up.

[BlueHeron]

Hi All,

I watched the 1st trial, and was so upset at the outcome I couldn't bring myself to follow the 2nd. What's the general consensus? How long has the jury been out? Do you think we'll get a verdict (GUILTY I PRAY) this time? Thanks very much in advance for any info/opinions you can provide! :seeya:

PS: Glad to see that Sprocket was still able to cover this!

[FrankieBones1]

Hi All,

I watched the 1st trial, and was so upset at the outcome I couldn't bring myself to follow the 2nd. What's the general consensus? How long has the jury been out? Do you think we'll get a verdict (GUILTY I PRAY) this time? Thanks very much in advance for any info/opinions you can provide! :seeya:

PS: Glad to see that Sprocket was still able to cover this!
Hi, BlueHeron. I think a lot of us felt the same way after the last trial. We were blown away. I think this jury has been out for about 25 hours and if we don't get a true verdict I won't be following the third trial at all.

[GPSpector]

Shortened for space and question:

Wonder what Phil Spector is having on this glorious day. Does he even celebrate it. Does he celebrate any of the holidays.
Good question for our GPSpector. I have not read anything about holidays. He wasn't nice to his children.:ohmy:

Sorry for the late response.

In the 14 years that I lived with him, I recall 1 thanksgiving Dinner (with no guests), maybe 2 Christmas evenings, 2 Easter Egg hunts, and 1 Birthday at home. All other times, these occasions took place either with Georges family or next door with the exception of Birthdays. Our father celebrated our Birthday at the Santa Monica Playhouse until we were about 13 and we were only allowed to keep 1 present for Christmas and on our Birthday.

We celebrated no religious holidays with our father.

[vonna]

Sorry for the late response.

In the 14 years that I lived with him, I recall 1 thanksgiving Dinner (with no guests), maybe 2 Christmas evenings, 2 Easter Egg hunts, and 1 Birthday at home. All other times, these occasions took place either with Georges family or next door with the exception of Birthdays. Our father celebrated our Birthday at the Santa Monica Playhouse until we were about 13 and we were only allowed to keep 1 present for Christmas and on our Birthday.

We celebrated no religious holidays with our father.

How very sad, Gary.

[dref99]

If you were to ask Coldwater, she will tell you what happened. Most of us know the whole story.

Anyway this forum isn't about a blogger. It is supposed to be about an impending verdict in a murder case.

I hope the jurors get it right this time around.

Funny that you should say that - and yet your very next post quotes someone speaking about a blogger being banned - is it do as I say, not as I do?
I suggested pages back that the thread was about a trial not a blogger - shame you didn't notice it.


Court Jester - I fear I agree with CNN (not something I do alot). The way the jury are behaving - lots of breaks - leaving early or the instant they can - sharing sherbet or whatever - indicates to me a group wanting to escape the main point at hand - deliberating on the murder of Lana Clarkson.

As I read from the jury instructions, they must deliberate the two charges separately i.e It is not a matter of removing suicide and then deciding on M2 or IVMS.

They must first decide on M2 - If the jury agrees on a NG, only then do they consider IVMS. So I am hoping (perhaps against hope) that they are doing this correctly and are hung up on M2. Haven't even got to IVMS.

Thus said - it is sure hard to understand why they would be hung up at all!!

jmo

[dref99]

I have faith that this will happen...that 10 year gun enhancement...there's no question about that..is there?

if he got the lesser of 5 years...we're still looking at 15 years.

CA has a more stringent one than NY did several years ago..it was, I think 2-10 years, depending on circumstances.

I think we're all getting worried about this for perhaps not much of a reason. I think this jury, beyond PS1, is going to dissect all the things..having a paralegal (OK) as foreman, but not an engineer. I mean no disrespect..they both can be tooth and nail.

I think we are going to come down to seeing an IVMS at the least...M2, hopefully...I do not think there will be a hung jury. But..I've been wrong..

jmo

J

Hi Jayne

It would be my thought that if he is found guilty of either charge he will get the maximum penalty. Thus said, I read much of the link you gave me related to the Californian Sentencing & I couldn't see the definite link to the 10 years - but as a non-legal - I found it all a little daunting!

It could be moot - scarry thought. I don't think there will be a trial 3 - it will be decided to let Lana's family get any left over money

jmo

[oodi]

Sorry for the late response.

In the 14 years that I lived with him, I recall 1 thanksgiving Dinner (with no guests), maybe 2 Christmas evenings, 2 Easter Egg hunts, and 1 Birthday at home. All other times, these occasions took place either with Georges family or next door with the exception of Birthdays. Our father celebrated our Birthday at the Santa Monica Playhouse until we were about 13 and we were only allowed to keep 1 present for Christmas and on our Birthday.

We celebrated no religious holidays with our father.

Gary, there is no question you and your brothers got a raw deal. As I recall, adoptions at that time were not final for a year. I would certainly like to know where the agency that had authority was, and why they would leave children in such a cold and uncaring environment. Someone should be held accountable.

As has been stated, you and your brothers are to be commended for the upstanding people you have become... especially since you did it in spite of the circumstances you had to endure during your formative years.

[KathR]

I have faith that this will happen...that 10 year gun enhancement...there's no question about that..is there?

if he got the lesser of 5 years...we're still looking at 15 years.

CA has a more stringent one than NY did several years ago..it was, I think 2-10 years, depending on circumstances.

I think we're all getting worried about this for perhaps not much of a reason. I think this jury, beyond PS1, is going to dissect all the things..having a paralegal (OK) as foreman, but not an engineer. I mean no disrespect..they both can be tooth and nail.

I think we are going to come down to seeing an IVMS at the least...M2, hopefully...I do not think there will be a hung jury. But..I've been wrong..

jmo

J

Hi, Jayne. I've come back around to your way of thinking. The jury is just being certain they have looked at everything. Hope it is M2.

[GPSpector]

Gary, there is no question you and your brothers got a raw deal. As I recall, adoptions at that time were not final for a year. I would certainly like to know where the agency that had authority was, and why they would leave children in such a cold and uncaring environment. Someone should be held accountable.

As has been stated, you and your brothers are to be commended for the upstanding people you have become... especially since you did it in spite of the circumstances you had to endure during your formative years.

In my fathers defense, my twin and I were adopted at 5½ and our father was not all that bad really. He just stopped acting like much of a father after we were 8. About the same age he was when his father committed suicide. I always figured that was the reason, he just had no reference and did not want to try.

Trust me, I make no excuses for my father, those were just the facts and how I saw him.

[Mr. Moto2]

In my fathers defense, my twin and I were adopted at 5½ and our father was not all that bad really. He just stopped acting like much of a father after we were 8. About the same age he was when his father committed suicide. I always figured that was the reason, he just had no reference and did not want to try.

Trust me, I make no excuses for my father, those were just the facts and how I saw him.

Wow, I never knew his father committed suicide. That may explain some of his behavior and attitude.

[oodi]

In my fathers defense, my twin and I were adopted at 5½ and our father was not all that bad really. He just stopped acting like much of a father after we were 8. About the same age he was when his father committed suicide. I always figured that was the reason, he just had no reference and did not want to try.

Trust me, I make no excuses for my father, those were just the facts and how I saw him.

I think I may have mentioned it before, but I was also adopted. My experience is just so opposite from yours, it's unimaginable to me. When doctors ask about family medical history, I answer all the questions, and then have to go back sometime later and say "Wait... I can't answer those questions, because I forgot I was adopted."

I guess your situation is just a bit of an eye-opener to me. It makes me realize how lucky I was to get the parents I got. Although, I did have an aunt who never failed to remind me every chance she got that because I wasn't blood, I wasn't family.

[kennedy06]

Happy EasterMyFellowPosters!!

[oodi]

what a loving aunt :scared:.... and i would want to say .... well auntie, in this case, i am thankful....

our son is adopted... i have two adopted nieces... cousins... etc.

Believe me... that aunt got more than just a piece of my mind once I was old enough that I didn't have to worry about any punishment from my parents! :wink:

[vonna]

I think I may have mentioned it before, but I was also adopted. My experience is just so opposite from yours, it's unimaginable to me. When doctors ask about family medical history, I answer all the questions, and then have to go back sometime later and say "Wait... I can't answer those questions, because I forgot I was adopted."

I guess your situation is just a bit of an eye-opener to me. It makes me realize how lucky I was to get the parents I got. Although, I did have an aunt who never failed to remind me every chance she got that because I wasn't blood, I wasn't family.

What a sick human being she was/is!

[oodi]

What a sick human being she was/is!


Yes she was. But in one respect, I guess I should have thanked her. She may be the reason I feel so strongly in the phrase: "Blood is thicker that water, but love is thicker than blood."

[True2Blues]

I think I may have mentioned it before, but I was also adopted. My experience is just so opposite from yours, it's unimaginable to me. When doctors ask about family medical history, I answer all the questions, and then have to go back sometime later and say "Wait... I can't answer those questions, because I forgot I was adopted."

I guess your situation is just a bit of an eye-opener to me. It makes me realize how lucky I was to get the parents I got. Although, I did have an aunt who never failed to remind me every chance she got that because I wasn't blood, I wasn't family.

What a horrible way for someone to behave. If my Mother had heard a crack like that, regardless of which side of the family, Auntie would have been spitting up teeth.

How wonderful that the love of the rest of your family was so strong that you were able to see how wrong she was.

[bearwds]

I fail to see how his dad committing suicide would excuse his disgusting behavior towards just about everyone he came in contact with, including his children.

:thumbdown:

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How about feeling abandoned and bitter for being deserted..??

That might do it.

New day to start soon.....


bearwds

[bearwds]

Hi beards,

Doesn't excuse him, imo. He should have gotten therapy. You mean others who experience the same feelings are all nasty, abandon their children and murder a woman?

Poor him, I have little sympathy for him if you can't tell. I'm reading "he's a rebel" and seems to me he was his nasty self before his dad killed himself. Second nature to him.

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Think about it johnnyrocket.

Women (5 PBA's) wanting to leave and getting a gun treatment.

Yeah, if he had any insight he would have gotten some therapy. Ideally, reports would have been made and legal charges which would have forced some need help.

Didn't happen.

People were too busy protecting bad behavior.


bearwds

[bearwds]

I understand your point.

Didn't he pay for that protection when he said the chief of police worked for him or something like that? Forgive me, I'm still waking up.

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He owned the police chief and high ranking people.

Told the officers so while being held down with a taser wire in his leg.


bearwds