Sandra Cantu- 4/09

[both_of_us]

Press conference should be starting any minute now.

Links: http://www.fox40.com/pages/main


http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

[lune3]

Oh my gosh, I though my computer was malfunctioning. Didn't see any posts for at least 5 minutes!

[lune3]

I hope everybody else sees it was locked for Easter I guess.

[both_of_us]

what happened to the thread? why couldn't we post at the other thread?

They've set up a temporary forum for the weekend. It surprised me too!
I see microphones at the news10 link.

[lune3]

lol me too i was like omg what did i say, have i been banned?

lol I had the same thought! I couldn't figure out what I'd said!

[~jomomma~]

omg! i thought i was banned!!!! :scared:

[both_of_us]

Gifts are appearing around the tree again.

[lune3]

omg! i thought i was banned!!!! :scared:

Lol I think we all did. I actually went to check, then saw this temporary forum.

[merical]

omg! i thought i was banned!!!! :scared:

Holy smokes, so did I. I was in the middle of posting to make sure I got the relationship between the guy in the car (claiming to be Pat Anastasio and how that related to Slaytor). Oi vay, I give up....

[lune3]

Anyone notice the mustache just now on the heavyset man?

Looks like it's wet weather up there today.

[merical]

umm, maybe the presser isn't going to happen yet? Maybe they are in the middle of an arrest and can't make it...that would be a good reason for missing it!

[~jomomma~]

Anyone notice the mustache just now on the heavyset man?

Looks like it's wet weather up there today.

i still wanna know why fox40 never put yesterday's a.m. PC up on their site :glare:

[lune3]

Nearly 10 mins late.....I hope this means they have something.

[both_of_us]

umm, maybe the presser isn't going to happen yet? Maybe they are in the middle of an arrest and can't make it...that would be a good reason for missing it!

Definitely.

At least we're not going to miss the beginning like most of us did this morning.

[both_of_us]

I was posting on the Politics and would have missed this news conf. if the Politics thread wasn't closed.

I am looking at the setup for the news conference. Is it situated in front of the MH park where the little girl lived?

TIA

Yes, it's set up right outside the entrance.

[merical]

He's for sure not the Patrick Anastasio who was the former Tracy High School principal. Here's Mr. Anastasio, who appears to have no connection with his case at all -

You'll need a magnifying glass to view this teeny pic.

http://www.csufresno.edu/alumni/bulldog_byte_2008/05/images/anastacio.jpg

Thanks, yeah he's distinctly lacking in facial hair and poundage...certainly not the same guy!:biggrin:

[playnice]

I was trying to figure out what I did to get banned.:blushing:

[merical]

They've been late with every PC I've watched - and then come right out and said there's nothing new, I don't know, i can't answer that, I don't know, I can't answer that question, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

Thank you all for coming.

Don't forget the "no one has been eliminated as a POI"

[bearwds]

Anyone notice the mustache just now on the heavyset man?

Looks like it's wet weather up there today.

******************

It is. I live only about 100 miles from Sandra's former home.

What is happening with these children murders..??

Seems like every other day one (or more) are in the news.

Haven't posted on this before but I think I would look to Park as they are. Doesn't make sense that a person cruising by would turn off and snatch her.

LEO is being VERY quiet about releasing information. "News" conferences not giving up much of anything ...as they shouldn't.


bearwds

[both_of_us]

They've been late with every PC I've watched - and then come right out and said there's nothing new, I don't know, i can't answer that, I don't know, I can't answer that question, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

Thank you all for coming.

Yeah, it's frustrating when they do that. They were there about 15 minutes early for this morning's PC though.

[MoonFlwr]

I was trying to figure out what I did to get banned.:blushing:

lol! Me too, playnice! :wink:

Then it dawned on me.....Holiday Board!

Thanks to all for links to the presser! :)

[CANDYKISSES]

They've been late with every PC I've watched - and then come right out and said there's nothing new, I don't know, i can't answer that, I don't know, I can't answer that question, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

Thank you all for coming.

Have they actually cleared anyone yet Rachel?

[lune3]

playnice, wasn't sure you received my PM so sent another. Glad to see you are here.
Talk about timing...not a good time to think we were banned!

[lune3]

Have they actually cleared anyone yet Rachel?

People said that the pastor was cleared according to last presser this morning. I personally missed it I guess.

[CANDYKISSES]

People said that the pastor was cleared according to last presser this morning. I personally missed it I guess.

Thanks lune.:smile:

[Ice Cycle]

Took me awhile to figure out what was going on but when I saw the CA & Haleigh forum had stopped also, I knew something was up.

[juliekan]

Interviews are continuing...I wonder who??

[lune3]

Several tips of the 400 classed as high priority.
I sure hope something breaks. Obviously no arrest today as rumoured.

[lune3]

Not that I heard.....no one is ruled out...

3 or 4 posters in the last thread mentioned that, but I didn't hear it either.:confused:

[kitty1182]

I still think LE knows who killed this child and are making sure all is in order before making an arrest..

[Ice Cycle]

Yes but why have 2 a day if their is nothing new to report.

[juliekan]

Yes but why have 2 a day if their is nothing new to report.

sounds like the detective agrees with you, except this keeps Sandra in the news and the tips coming in.

[lune3]

I still think LE knows who killed this child and are making sure all is in order before making an arrest..

I hope so. At the very least, I think they have a strong suspicion.

[kitty1182]

People said that the pastor was cleared according to last presser this morning. I personally missed it I guess.

From what I heard no one has been cleared yet...

[both_of_us]

He said something about having video of the street the park sits on. Did anyone else hear that? I would think that footage would be very helpful to their investigation.

[kitty1182]

I hope so. At the very least, I think they have a strong suspicion.

I think so too..I wonder if the stuff of the computers they took has come back.?

[both_of_us]

From what I heard no one has been cleared yet...
I haven't heard him say anyone is clear either. He did say (yesterday I think) that there's no connection between the pastor and the suitcase though so maybe that's confusing things, I dunno.

[aproudmom]

OK...COMPLAINT...

What is Headline News, CNN, JVM and Nancy Grace...constantly talking about he Octomom..WHO CARES.!? They have covered almost nothing on this case....
CNN...TURNER....BRING BACK COURT TV..

If they did not talk about octomom they would just talk more about monstermom CA....SHAME on me:wink:

[aproudmom]

JVM will be talking about Sandra soon

[aproudmom]

People said that the pastor was cleared according to last presser this morning. I personally missed it I guess.

no he said no one was cleared didnt he..did I miss it to:confused:

[blestw4]

I may be wrong but I think they know who is involved and are being very careful as to not botching the case. A couple things led me to believe this, but maybe it is how LE speaks all the time. First he said that this case will come to a conclusion. Sounds very hopeful to me. Secondly he said "They". By saying "They" is that a clue that LE is looking at more than one person involved. Seems to me when I have heard press confrences before LE will say "he/she or "The person or persons responsible.

[Ice Cycle]

Because they are trying to do their JOB right so this person (s) doesnt go free ...for some dumb reason like a ton of cases.....

Yet he is trying to keep the media and people updated ....I applaud his work...and that he doesnt give out information that can hurt this case.

It is unfortunate these cases arent like TV...solved in 30 minutes to an hour.....but better he do his job....and update the media....even if it is to say no new news.....than hurt the case

I didn't say he wasn't doing his job, I just think one a day or every couple of days is sufficient if their is nothing new to report.
It might keep her name our there some but the media just might stop coming if they can't say anything of progress.

[aproudmom]

True..its so frustrating....

Its Casey Anthony's looney parents.....who are still drinking the koolaid...or the octomom.

MAN..I cannot say it enough....I MISS COURT TV..and the old Nancy Grace.....

Me to I really miss those days..

[Ice Cycle]

If they did not talk about octomom they would just talk more about monstermom CA....SHAME on me:wink:

Cute and agree it is so ridiculous.

[both_of_us]

I heard it. He mentioned something about the cars in the video.

Thank you. I got the impression that it was different video from outside the park on the main road. I was multitasking though. I know better than to do that, dang it!

[aproudmom]

Cute and agree it is so ridiculous.

So I Guess nothing new did they ask about the letter??

[kitty1182]

So ..what is everyone's thoughts....on who did this?

I think it's someone we might least expect...imo

[aproudmom]

I think it is important he does it 2 times a day. Alot of rumors get out in the media that aren't true and he clears those up. He only skips over the questions about potential items that are pertinent to this case.....the media won't go away on this one. The public WONT allow it.

I think they know who did this, how they did this, where they did this, etc...and just wrapping it all up. The person who did this..has to be sweating with every minute.

Well all I have to say is octo-mom and monster-mom and
madonna-momma has been on JVS and so far nothing about Sandra lets hope she gets at least 5 minutes...:cursing:

[Ice Cycle]

So I Guess nothing new did they ask about the letter??

Yes but I didn't hear all of that part as working, but they did say it was meant to be wrote on behalf of Sandra to who ever did this. I did hear him ask that people stop dropping off items at the memorial site as it was a reminder when family drove by and saw it.

[aproudmom]

HLN JVM on now

[darjeeling]

JVM covering Sandra now.

[CANDYKISSES]

Do you think they look at the people who attend these, maybe who are there alone, like that young guy right behind the right shoulder of the dectective, behind the lady in red?

I have a very fertile imagination~

As time goes by, my guess is they look at all footage if they haven't found the person they feel responsible for this horrible act. JMO tho.:crying:

[omsk99]

~snips

"TRACY - Authorities have dismissed earlier reports by police sources that a "significant arrest" in connection with the Sandra Cantu murder investigation would be made today"

"Additionally, authorities say a note left by a tree at the former Sandra Cantu memorial that read "From Sandra, To My Killer" is not connected to the murder of Sandra. Police report the note was written on Sandra's behalf."

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?No-Arrest-Today-Note-Not-Connected-With-=1&blockID=262878&feedID=2674

ETA: Good to see you all here, and happy to know we haven't been banned!

[aproudmom]

How big does anyone think that luggage is??to me it is much bigger than the one I have like that..mine would never fit a child of what 4 feet at least in it I know she could have been in a fetal position if she was placed in there early on..looks to be a older one but just can not tell by the pics...I guess I want to tell myself they did not do anything to make her fit in it,:sad:

[singingbird]

Holy smokes, so did I. I was in the middle of posting to make sure I got the relationship between the guy in the car (claiming to be Pat Anastasio and how that related to Slaytor). Oi vay, I give up....

duh am I slow, finally figured out the forum was closed and found this one.

did you get the info straight on PA? if not let me know and I will help you

[omsk99]

How big does anyone think that luggage is??to me it is much bigger than the one I have like that..mine would never fit a child of what 4 feet at least in it I know she could have been in a fetal position if she was placed in there early on..looks to be a older one but just can not tell by the pics...I guess I want to tell myself they did not do anything to make her fit in it,:sad:

I think NG asked Sheneman about that last night, and he said he couldn't tell her. Since she was wearing the same clothes as the last time she was seen, I don't think that was the case.

:rose:

[darjeeling]

How big does anyone think that luggage is??to me it is much bigger than the one I have like that..mine would never fit a child of what 4 feet at least in it I know she could have been in a fetal position if she was placed in there early on..looks to be a older one but just can not tell by the pics...I guess I want to tell myself they did not do anything to make her fit in it,:sad:

Good question and it got me thinking and I apologize if this is graphic for some but I think she was either alive when she was put in the suitcase or it was immediately after her death since there is no way she would have fit unless she was in a fetal position or (again sorry) bent over.

This is the dimensions of one large suitcase I found on the web.

25" x 18.5" x 9" (52.5 linear inches)
http://www.luggageonline.com/product.cfm?product_ID=8014

[IlliniFan]

Thank you for helping me find the temp. board.

[singingbird]

How big does anyone think that luggage is??to me it is much bigger than the one I have like that..mine would never fit a child of what 4 feet at least in it I know she could have been in a fetal position if she was placed in there early on..looks to be a older one but just can not tell by the pics...I guess I want to tell myself they did not do anything to make her fit in it,:sad:

if you look at these specific photos of the suitcase with people standing near it, you can get kind of an idea how big

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantucon19.jpg

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantucon14.jpg

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantucon13.jpg

[darjeeling]

if you look at these specific photos of the suitcase with people standing near it, you can get kind of an idea how big

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantucon19.jpg

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantucon14.jpg

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantucon13.jpg

Ugh, the suitcase is smaller than I thot...and the irrigation ditch looks really disgusting.

(thanks for the pix)

[darjeeling]

I am assuming the pond had been drained to this point, the bag was found and was pulled to the edge of the pond. It would seem that the workers would have looked in that bag, I would think.

Not so sure about that because it seems like the workers knew about Sandra and that's why they called the police about the suitcase. I sincerely hope they did not open it.

I would think the perp could not toss the bag that far, so I am thinking he must have waded out to that point.

I agree.

[singingbird]

You can zoom in on these, but I still can't tell too much about what kind of suitcase it is. Maybe a soft, fabric sided, would be my guess.

However in the last photo, it would appear by marks in the mud that the bag had been dragged from the water to that point by the road.

I am assuming the pond had been drained to this point, the bag was found and was pulled to the edge of the pond. It would seem that the
workers would have looked in that bag, I would think.

I would think the perp could not toss the bag that far, so I am thinking he must have waded out to that point.

I have a lot of blow ups of the suitcase if anyone needs them.
gee if I could just post a link to where all this stuff and info is ugh. It is accessible to anyone. So much info going in there.

[MoonFlwr]

singingbird, could you pm us the link, maybe? tia :)

[~jomomma~]

singingbird, could you pm us the link, maybe? tia :)

me too please

[singingbird]

I don't get what you mean. Are the pictures too graphic, or something?

no, not at all....what I mean is ---

I know someone who is researching this case. They set up a place to work on all of the case information. Everything they are looking up they are posting it. Anyone can access the information so they can use it to help look for things. But I can't post the link here. So I have to keep going over there and getting pieces of information and then write it on here. Or post the photo links each time someone comes on the board and asks. It would just be so much easier if anyone who needs something could go over there and get it.

[bama__angel]

me too please



Me too please, Thank you......

[i4doors]

any news on an arrest? i haven't had time to read back..:sad: was is this link and can i get it too? tia:blushing:

[singingbird]

singingbird, could you pm us the link, maybe? tia :)

yes I can pm it. I was told we could not do that or we could be banned. so that is why I did not. If it is ok and I won't get banned yes I can pm it

[both_of_us]

In case anyone would like to attend the public memorial service for Sandra, it's scheduled for Thursday, April 16, in the Merrill F. West High School gymnasium at 1 p.m..

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090409/A_NEWS/90409015

[KKKKKKatie]

yes I can pm it. I was told we could not do that or we could be banned. so that is why I did not. If it is ok and I won't get banned yes I can pm it


no...you won't be banned for that. Can I have it too please?:biggrin:

[MoonFlwr]

yes I can pm it. I was told we could not do that or we could be banned. so that is why I did not. If it is ok and I won't get banned yes I can pm it

As far as I know sending it in pm is ok.

[kitty1182]

Me too please, Thank you......

Me three..........

[lune3]

I'm really hoping that LE and FBI have a real suspect (s) in mind and the delay in an arrest is due to needing to have everything absolutely solid. I'm even wondering whether they KNOW who did this but are investigating a connection with another or others who are also involved who they are not yet solid on. LE keeps saying "we are moving in the right direction".
If this were to be the case, they are watching that suspect like a hawk but not arresting him in case a possible accomplice (or group) gets more spooked and go further underground. This whole church thing is disturbing me, and I hope that this horrible murder is not connected to a porn ring.

I'm vacillating between one individual having done this on his own, and the something else which is just as horrible to think about, if not more so.

This better be solved. It's unthinkable to imagine the possibility that LE is not going to succeed in putting the puzzle together.

[singingbird]

Me three..........

ok give me a sec. I will get it to everyone who asks me. then I will post on this thread I sent to all, and if you don't have it by then, let me know who I missed.

[datagal]

yes I can pm it. I was told we could not do that or we could be banned. so that is why I did not. If it is ok and I won't get banned yes I can pm it

I would also like the link! Thanks so much!

[Destini]

PM for me too, pretty please??

[ZooCrew2009]

PM for me too, pretty please??

me too please pm the link

[purplepoints]

Please PM me the link too. TIA

[Ice Cycle]

Link also, Thanks

[singingbird]

ok I got through to kitty... now will do the ones after that.
if you asked before kitty, including kitty, and you did not get it let me know

[GentleBreeze]

ok give me a sec. I will get it to everyone who asks me. then I will post on this thread I sent to all, and if you don't have it by then, let me know who I missed.

When you get the time, singingbird, I would appreciate it if you could PM me too.

Thank you in advance.

imo

[kitty1182]

Why can't you just post a link? Links are permitted. I see them all the time.

I think it's ok to post a link too, just don't copy and paste anything out of the link...

[merical]

Could somebody pm me too?? I'm running behind, I guess, in the middle of dinner...my family thinks I'm nuts trying to cook, eat and type at the same time. Could be true....:huh:

[kitty1182]

Kitty you have been here for a very long time, if it is a link that can be posted will you post on board...Please...

I haven't had a chance to read it yet....I will pm it to you.

[GentleBreeze]

How big does anyone think that luggage is??to me it is much bigger than the one I have like that..mine would never fit a child of what 4 feet at least in it I know she could have been in a fetal position if she was placed in there early on..looks to be a older one but just can not tell by the pics...I guess I want to tell myself they did not do anything to make her fit in it,:sad:

I am not sure of its age since it was submerged in water for days but I have a large luggage piece and it is large enough for a child to be put in it in a fetal position. Sandra only weighed 45 pounds.

In fact I could have sworn that I saw the bulging outline of what could have been her body when I saw the real close up of the suitcase on blinkoncrime site today. Which makes me wonder if it was a soft pack type of luggage.

It just may have been my imagination but when looking at the photo the bulging area goes sort of across the middle to the bottom part of the bag. Bottom meaning the bottom part as it was photographed by the helicopter.

imoo

[singingbird]

Why can't you just post a link? Links are permitted. I see them all the time.

ok I will post it, but if I get banned you will know where I am :sad:

I just was told you can't post links to other boards on here. I don't know, I am new. I just don't want to break the rules.


here goes

http://crimecases.forums-free.com/sandra-cantu-8-yrs-old-tracy-ca-mar-27-2009-f9.html

[kitty1182]

I am not sure of its age since it was submerged in water for days but I have a large luggage piece and it is large enough for a child to be put in it in a fetal position. Sandra only weighed 45 pounds.

In fact I could have sworn that I saw the bulging outline of what could have been her body when I saw the real close up of the suitcase on blinkoncrime site today. Which makes me wonder if it was a soft pack type of luggage.

It just may have been my imagination but when looking at the photo the bulging area goes sort of across the middle to the bottom part of the bag. Bottom meaning the bottom part as it was photographed by the helicopter.

imoo


I thought it might be a soft one too..

[KaraokeDiva]

ok I will post it, but if I get banned you will know where I am :sad:

I just was told you can't post links to other boards on here. I don't know, I am new. I just don't want to break the rules.


here goes

http://crimecases.forums-free.com/sandra-cantu-8-yrs-old-tracy-ca-mar-27-2009-f9.html

Could you lead me in the right direction on that forum?? I see lots of threads but I have no idea where to begin looking for the info you are referencing....:confused:

[Mamie]

How big does anyone think that luggage is??to me it is much bigger than the one I have like that..mine would never fit a child of what 4 feet at least in it I know she could have been in a fetal position if she was placed in there early on..looks to be a older one but just can not tell by the pics...I guess I want to tell myself they did not do anything to make her fit in it,:sad:

IMO, she was put in the suitcase after she was already dead. Keep in mind that her lungs have no air and the body has sort of collapsed so probably fairly easy to get her into a sizeable suitcase before rigor set in. My apologies to anyone feeling uneasy.

JMO

[kitty1182]

IMO, she was put in the suitcase after she was already dead. Keep in mind that her lungs have no air and the body has sort of collapsed so probably fairly easy to get her into a sizeable suitcase before rigor set in. My apologies to anyone feeling uneasy.

JMO

I so hope we hear of an arrest soon.......:sad:

[GentleBreeze]

I thought it might be a soft one too..

Yes, it does seem it isn't a hard case type.

Btw/thanks so much.

imo

[singingbird]

Could you lead me in the right direction on that forum?? I see lots of threads but I have no idea where to begin looking for the info you are referencing....:confused:

CC put up a question place over there "if you need help - ask here" it is the top thread on the bottom area with the ? mark.

I will go over there and post how to find what, so as not to clutter up this thread here.

[Destini]

Can you imagine how this family must feel? Not only the unbearable pain of losing a child in this manner, but not knowing who they can and cannot trust .... you would have suspicions about almost everyone around you, would not feel free to discuss it with anyone but LE .... not even your pastor FGS.

The whole town must be terrified.

[lune3]

CC put up a question place over there "if you need help - ask here" it is the top thread on the bottom area with the ? mark.

I will go over there and post how to find what, so as not to clutter up this thread here.

Thank you singingbird. It looks as though CC has well organized all the info so far, a monumental chore. It will be very helpful.

[Riverwalk!]

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Memorial%20service%20set%20=&id=2285928-Memorial+service+set&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

Memorial service set

Memorial services for a slain Tracy girl are set for next week, police announced today.

The family of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu plans to hold private and public services. The public one will take place at 1 p.m. April 16 at West High School, 1775 W. Lowell Road, in Tracy. It’ll be held inside the school’s gym with overflow in the cafeteria, said Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman, adding that there should be enough space for about 2,500 people.

He asked on behalf of Sandra’s family that people in the meantime stop placing gifts outside Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, where the girl lived, because of the rainy weather and because it’s too painful for the family to see every time they drive by.

City crews late Wednesday night dismantled a massive shrine to the murder victim.

[Erzsebet]

I am not sure of its age since it was submerged in water for days but I have a large luggage piece and it is large enough for a child to be put in it in a fetal position. Sandra only weighed 45 pounds.

In fact I could have sworn that I saw the bulging outline of what could have been her body when I saw the real close up of the suitcase on blinkoncrime site today. Which makes me wonder if it was a soft pack type of luggage.

It just may have been my imagination but when looking at the photo the bulging area goes sort of across the middle to the bottom part of the bag. Bottom meaning the bottom part as it was photographed by the helicopter.

imoo

I thought that too.

[threesnugbugs]

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/42525957.html?elr=KArks:DCiUBDia_nDaycUiacyKUnciae c8O7EyUr


They just can not be rehabilitated! Granted, there is a whole lot of questionable behavior on the victim/family side, but still.

I didn't think this was OT, but rather on our minds with this case.

[TaraCrazyHair]

IMO, she was put in the suitcase after she was already dead. Keep in mind that her lungs have no air and the body has sort of collapsed so probably fairly easy to get her into a sizeable suitcase before rigor set in. My apologies to anyone feeling uneasy.

JMO

I think one of the biggest telling factors was when LE said the murder weapon was not in the luggage ..

That shows either a gunshot, stabbing or bludgeon

If she was strangled, they would not say "murder weapon"

I also found it curious they identified her by her clothing she had on ... so hopefully that leaves out rape since the killer would not most likely redress her?

[MoonFlwr]

I am not sure of its age since it was submerged in water for days but I have a large luggage piece and it is large enough for a child to be put in it in a fetal position. Sandra only weighed 45 pounds.

In fact I could have sworn that I saw the bulging outline of what could have been her body when I saw the real close up of the suitcase on blinkoncrime site today. Which makes me wonder if it was a soft pack type of luggage.

It just may have been my imagination but when looking at the photo the bulging area goes sort of across the middle to the bottom part of the bag. Bottom meaning the bottom part as it was photographed by the helicopter.

imoo

Hi GentleBreeze

Do you happen to have a link to the picture you mentioned in this post? Thanks. :)

[Jim]

Has anyone found out if they caught that guy with the tattoo under his eye.

I have a link to what he looks like.

http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/departments/police/most_wanted/

It's the top guy and he has a tear drop tattoo under his eye.

[GentleBreeze]

Hi GentleBreeze

Do you happen to have a link to the picture you mentioned in this post? Thanks. :)

Sure Moon, here it is. You have to scroll down page to see photos of suitcase.

http://blinkoncrime.com/

You can enlarge the photo.

[Riverwalk!]

I think one of the biggest telling factors was when LE said the murder weapon was not in the luggage ..

That shows either a gunshot, stabbing or bludgeon

If she was strangled, they would not say "murder weapon"

I also found it curious they identified her by her clothing she had on ... so hopefully that leaves out rape since the killer would not most likely redress her?

NOT what was reported. AND we don't know what question was asked to get the response about a "weapon". IMO. Such as: was a weapon found. No, no weapon was found, etc.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513244,00.html

[TaraCrazyHair]

NOT what was reported. AND we don't know what question was asked to get the response about a "weapon". IMO. Such as: was a weapon found. No, no weapon was found, etc.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513244,00.html

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters Wednesday that investigators haven't recovered the instrument used to murder Sandra Cantu, but said her death is being classified as a homicide.

Plain as day to me they are not looking at a suffocation type thing

[~jomomma~]

CC put up a question place over there "if you need help - ask here" it is the top thread on the bottom area with the ? mark.

I will go over there and post how to find what, so as not to clutter up this thread here.

thank you so much singingbird for the link! lots of info there. i like how it's set up! i'm so tired right now tho i can't read or look at anymore.

see you all tomorrow!

[Riverwalk!]

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman told reporters Wednesday that investigators haven't recovered the instrument used to murder Sandra Cantu, but said her death is being classified as a homicide.

Plain as day to me they are not looking at a suffocation type thing

Has nothing to do with what was/was not found in the luggage as YOU said:

Originally Posted by TaraCrazyHair
I think one of the biggest telling factors was when LE said the murder weapon was not in the luggage ..

The COD or MOD has not been revealed by the ME. We will have to wait 4-8 weeks.

Although an autopsy has been completed, results are pending. Sources say no visible signs of trauma were apparent during the initial examination. Toxicology and tissue samples were being sent to a pathologist for analysis to help determine the official cause of death, which could take up to eight weeks.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12102112?source=most_emailed

Plain as day to me that we wait.
MOO

[beamer]

no, not at all....what I mean is ---

I know someone who is researching this case. They set up a place to work on all of the case information. Everything they are looking up they are posting it. Anyone can access the information so they can use it to help look for things. But I can't post the link here. So I have to keep going over there and getting pieces of information and then write it on here. Or post the photo links each time someone comes on the board and asks. It would just be so much easier if anyone who needs something could go over there and get it.



Could I please have the link? and thanks!

[MoonFlwr]

Sure Moon, here it is. You have to scroll down page to see photos of suitcase.

http://blinkoncrime.com/

You can enlarge the photo.

Thanks, Gentle :)

[TaraCrazyHair]

Has nothing to do with what was/was not found in the luggage as YOU said:

Originally Posted by TaraCrazyHair
I think one of the biggest telling factors was when LE said the murder weapon was not in the luggage ..

The COD or MOD has not been revealed by the ME. We will have to wait 4-8 weeks.

Although an autopsy has been completed, results are pending. Sources say no visible signs of trauma were apparent during the initial examination. Toxicology and tissue samples were being sent to a pathologist for analysis to help determine the official cause of death, which could take up to eight weeks.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12102112?source=most_emailed

Plain as day to me that we wait.
MOO

CNN, which is all we have on at work, said luggage ... Fox said no instrument

Does it really matter who said what when LE stated either way the instrument/murder weapon was not found?

What they found is a murdered child stuffed in a suitcase, thrown in a pond, dead before the disposal, and apparently not by natural causes or suffocation

And she certainly did not climb in that suitcase on her own accord and toss herself in that pond

So the question is how she died and that may help uncover who did it

LE also mention "they" a few times but did not elaborate but "they" suggests more than one person

[GentleBreeze]

Has nothing to do with what was/was not found in the luggage as YOU said:

Originally Posted by TaraCrazyHair
I think one of the biggest telling factors was when LE said the murder weapon was not in the luggage ..

The COD or MOD has not been revealed by the ME. We will have to wait 4-8 weeks.

Although an autopsy has been completed, results are pending. Sources say no visible signs of trauma were apparent during the initial examination. Toxicology and tissue samples were being sent to a pathologist for analysis to help determine the official cause of death, which could take up to eight weeks.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12102112?source=most_emailed

Plain as day to me that we wait.
MOO

So really all we have is their "sources" and LE themselves have not come out and commented on it either way publically?

I am not sure I feel comfortable with unknown sources. Sources even today told some of the media outlets that there may be an arrest today and it did not happen.

I do think the Sgt's word of "weapon" does mean that they know the COD. Of course they know that the autopsy full results will not be complete and will remain pending until the ME receives the tox tests back. That happens in each case and that is why it takes weeks for the official autopsy paper documents to be finalized.

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

So really all we have is their "sources" and LE themselves have not come out and commented on it either way publically?

I am not sure I feel comfortable with unknown sources. Sources even today told some of the media outlets that there may be an arrest today and it did not happen.

I do think the Sgt's word of "weapon" does mean that they know the COD. Of course they know that the autopsy full results will not be complete and will remain pending until the ME receives the tox tests back. That happens in each case and that is why it takes weeks for the official autopsy paper documents to be finalized.

imo

I assume Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman is LE?

Not exactly unknown sources

[GentleBreeze]

Thanks, Gentle :)

Anytime. :smile:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Didn't they (LE) also say today they served 15 SW on people per Judges orders?

I wonder if that is on people from the rummage sale to see who might have bought the suitcase?

[GentleBreeze]

I assume Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman is LE?

Not exactly unknown sources

Yes, he most certainly is but I was talking about the media who said that their sources told them no visual trauma was seen.

We have seen LE leak false information before when they are determined to make sure the press doesn't know things they know.

Sheneman said they haven't found the weapon. And I do believe a weapon was used. Most likely some bludgeoning weapon of some sort.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Didn't they (LE) also say today they served 15 SW on people per Judges orders?

I wonder if that is on people from the rummage sale to see who might have bought the suitcase?

I believe the 15 warrants includes all SW from the beginning of the investigation.

Personally, I think Williams is lying about the suitcase and may have his own reasons for wanting others to believe it was stolen.

imo

[Riverwalk!]

Didn't they (LE) also say today they served 15 SW on people per Judges orders?

I wonder if that is on people from the rummage sale to see who might have bought the suitcase?

There was no rummage sale.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I believe the 15 warrants includes all SW from the beginning of the investigation.

Personally, I think Williams is lying about the suitcase and may have his own reasons for wanting others to believe it was stolen.

imo



You think he is one of "they" LE was referring to?

[TaraCrazyHair]

There was no rummage sale.


The church was having a rummage sale

Do I need to quit watching CNN for my information?

Because that is what I heard

Church was having a rummage sale and the suitcase was missing the day it was supposed to be there or something like that

[both_of_us]

The church was having a rummage sale

Do I need to quit watching CNN for my information?

Because that is what I heard

Church was having a rummage sale and the suitcase was missing the day it was supposed to be there or something like that

No, Fred Williams, who is a member and caretaker of the church, said that. No one has confirmed that it's true and police have actually contradicted what this man said about luggage being reported stolen from the sale. It was never reported.

[Adalena935]

Oh my gosh, I though my computer was malfunctioning. Didn't see any posts for at least 5 minutes!

I typed a long old reply to you and it got shut down. I thought we all got booted for something. Must be my guilty conscience. :tonguewag:

Did the KRON tv special already happen? I'm not sure I could take it anyway.

[both_of_us]

CNN, which is all we have on at work, said luggage ... Fox said no instrument

Does it really matter who said what when LE stated either way the instrument/murder weapon was not found?

What they found is a murdered child stuffed in a suitcase, thrown in a pond, dead before the disposal, and apparently not by natural causes or suffocation

And she certainly did not climb in that suitcase on her own accord and toss herself in that pond

So the question is how she died and that may help uncover who did it

LE also mention "they" a few times but did not elaborate but "they" suggests more than one person

No, they asked if a weapon had been found and LE answered with a simple, "No." Who knows if there is even a murder weapon to find?

[lune3]

No, Fred Williams, who is a member and caretaker of the church, said that. No one has confirmed that it's true and police have actually contradicted what this man said about luggage being reported stolen from the sale. It was never reported.

It's confusing because another "report" says that the luggage was stolen from a car, I believe from Melissa Lawless' KIA. Don't ask me for the link because I'd never find it lol, but I do remember some discussion on that, if I'm not mistaken.

[lune3]

No, they asked if a weapon had been found and LE answered with a simple, "No." Who knows if there is even a murder weapon to find?

Yes that's what I remember. LE answered something to the effect that "no weapon was found" which does NOT imply there was a weapon.

[lune3]

Actually I found what Fred said about the suitcase. It's in this article,

http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html

[darjeeling]

So how do you folks feel about the investigation so far? Do the police have specific suspects and are working meticulously to put their case together or do they seem lost and going around in circles? I, myself, don't know what to think based on what I've seen so far.

[Adalena935]

Yes that's what I remember. LE answered something to the effect that "no weapon was found" which does NOT imply there was a weapon.

What I always heard is there's always a weapon even if it's someone's bare hands. Technically speaking it can be water from anyone's tap if the killer drowns them in a bucket of water or whatever. Sheneman saying there was no weapon found just means they haven't found any weapon. It may not be anything as dramatic as a gun or knife. and don't mind me lune for butting in here.

If there's no visible signs of trauma then I'm thinking it wasn't a gun or knife.

[playnice]

So how do you folks feel about the investigation so far? Do the police have specific suspects and are working meticulously to put their case together or do they seem lost and going around in circles? I, myself, don't know what to think based on what I've seen so far.

I think they have a suspect or suspects. I look for an arrest by the middle of next week.

[Adalena935]

So how do you folks feel about the investigation so far? Do the police have specific suspects and are working meticulously to put their case together or do they seem lost and going around in circles? I, myself, don't know what to think based on what I've seen so far.

I will say I think they're working to the very best of their abilities. I know they want this guy or guys badly. Sandra Cantu's family is giving them high praise so that says a lot to me. I think some community members being upset about them not putting out an amber alert is because they don't understand it has to meet a certain criteria. (I'm not saying I know what that is because I don't feel like looking it up right now).

I think they've done a fine job of informing the public by their 2X's daily press conferences. Even if they don't have a lot of info to share, as Sheneman said today they're doing it to keep Sandra's case in the public awareness. My hat's off to them for all of that.

I don't know if they'll be able to solve it or not but I think they're working hard as they can to solve it and bring this monster to justice. It takes a long time to track down all the leads with a lot of manpower. Simultaneously they still have other police jobs to atend to. Tracy's about 80,000; not a large city and I don't know what their size is as a PD but it's got to be putting a strain on their resources. I know they're going all out to solve this case and whether they resolve it or it comes to fruition I can't say and I bet neither can they at this point. But as far as their efforts I'd give them a big two thumbs up. They have a tough job I wouldn't be equal to. I keep them and all LE in my prayers.

A+ at this point for Tracy PD. I think they will solve it. Don't know when, but I think it's solvable and I think they'll get it done.

[Adalena935]

Don't you know the men in this family would like to get their hands on this vile individual. I wouldn't stop them.

[Adalena935]

Because they are trying to do their JOB right so this person (s) doesnt go free ...for some dumb reason like a ton of cases.....

Yet he is trying to keep the media and people updated ....I applaud his work...and that he doesnt give out information that can hurt this case.

It is unfortunate these cases arent like TV...solved in 30 minutes to an hour.....but better he do his job....and update the media....even if it is to say no new news.....than hurt the case

I totally agree. I'm patient. That's why there's no statute of limitations on murder. They can run, but they can't hide. Sooner or later this diabolical monster will pay the piper.

[titanfan217]

Oh well then, that answers that, doesn't it?

NOT. ;D

Part of the confusion seems to be with the "reported". I don't think it was reported stolen to LE. The person may have discovered it missing and just told another person about it.

It appears to have happened the same day that Sandra went missing, but nobody would have made any connection at that point. With a child missing, nobody might have even remembered something as unimportant as something donated to a rummage sale.

Since the KIA that was supposedly taken in could have belonged to a church member and/or relative of the pastor, there could have been a connection with the luggage, but there could also have been another reason for the KIA, and only LE knows for sure.

[Adalena935]

I'm still having the hardest time believing anyone could do this to this child.

[Adalena935]

I think one of the biggest telling factors was when LE said the murder weapon was not in the luggage ..

That shows either a gunshot, stabbing or bludgeon

If she was strangled, they would not say "murder weapon"

I also found it curious they identified her by her clothing she had on ... so hopefully that leaves out rape since the killer would not most likely redress her?

At one of the press conferences, he said No murder weapon has been found. I don't think that means anything other than what it says.

[cook4andy]

I'm still having the hardest time believing anyone could do this to this child.


And happening more and more, it seems. :crying: :cursing:

This is my first post in this folder. I've been reading hoping they find the moster responsible.

The recent number of murdered children is both heart breaking and alarming.

I have an eight year old grandson who I'm afraid to let out of my sight.

I remember as a child we could roam without fear.

It's a sad world we live in where children are going missing by the week, killed by their parents or predators "the most vile of our society". God help us!!

My heart goes out to this family and I pray they find the monster responsible!!

I'm usually a reasonable person but I think those who kill innocent children should suffer the worst of punishments. "not allowed in our justice system."

[aproudmom]

Don't you know the men in this family would like to get their hands on this vile individual. I wouldn't stop them.

ITA Adalena
I would help out
I just pray they do have a POI and just getting everything they need to make sure they pay for this horrible crime.:cursing:
if they do they are watching them probably have GPS on the cars if they have been seized I have faith I have to.

[aproudmom]

And happening more and more, it seems. :crying: :cursing:

This is my first post in this folder. I've been reading hoping they find the moster responsible.

The recent number of murdered children is both heart breaking and alarming.

I have an eight year old grandson who I'm afraid to let out of my sight.

I remember as a child we could roam without fear.

It's a sad world we live in where children are going missing by the week, killed by their parents or predators "the most vile of our society". God help us!!

My heart goes out to this family and I pray they find the monster responsible!!

I'm usually a reasonable person but I think those who kill innocent children should suffer the worst of punishments. "not allowed in our justice system."

When asked about possible suspects, Tracy Police Chief Janet Thiessen said, "We have persons of interest that we are focusing on and we continue to gather information in this case … We are making headway with it."
I think they may be looking at more than just one person by some of there statements..jmo

[aproudmom]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19142603/detail.html

The service will be held at 1 p.m. Thursday at the Merrill F. West High School gym,The gym seats about 2,500 people

Anyone wishing to reach Cantu's family may route condolences to the Tracy Police Department, which has assigned a liaison to work with relatives. Those wishing to make donations of money in the girl's memory are being asked to contact the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation

Tracy Police Department/Sandra Cantu
1000 Civic Center Drive
Tracy, CA 95376


I hope they have it on live stream if anyone finds out please let us know..

[aproudmom]

I have been unable to watch the video of Sandra's mother and finally watched it all This mother loved her child and is lost she looked like she could barely breathe what courage she had to come on and try to talk about her angel and thank the LE. I for one hope she does not get bashed for not watching her child or whatever some may want to say she did not kill her it is sad our kids can not go out to play just doors down and this happen....I will forever have this family in my prayers and have sent our letters and cards from over 20 of my family members to let them know she is not only Tracy's ANGEL but AMERICAS ANGEL. I pray others are doing the same...if anyone can missed it I will leave the link. I for one see a mother in so much pain unlike a few other families who have lost their children tells me so much about her..may God be with her and America reach out to her.

RIP AMERICAS ANGEL SANDRA

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729
http://www.kcra.com/news/19136354/detail.html

[nana6]

I have been unable to watch the video of Sandra's mother and finally watched it all This mother loved her child and is lost she looked like she could barely breathe what courage she had to come on and try to talk about her angel and thank the LE. I for one hope she does not get bashed for not watching her child or whatever some may want to say she did not kill her it is sad our kids can not go out to play just doors down and this happen....I will forever have this family in my prayers and have sent our letters and cards from over 20 of my family members to let them know she is not only Tracy's ANGEL but AMERICAS ANGEL. I pray others are doing the same...if anyone can missed it I will leave the link. I for one see a mother in so much pain unlike a few other families who have lost their children tells me so much about her..may God be with her and America reach out to her.

RIP AMERICAS ANGEL SANDRA

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729
http://www.kcra.com/news/19136354/detail.html

good morning everyone. I just wondered since i was out of the loop yesterday, did they say anything else about the pastor?

[aproudmom]

I am sure it will be on live stream..I also heard they had a special FBI dog to help with their grief.:sad:

http://www.kcra.com/video/19132950/index.html

Find that BAD APPLE and PLUCK IT statement made by her UncleI agree:cursing:
all jmo

[n/t]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19142603/detail.html

The service will be held at 1 p.m. Thursday at the Merrill F. West High School gym,The gym seats about 2,500 people

Anyone wishing to reach Cantu's family may route condolences to the Tracy Police Department, which has assigned a liaison to work with relatives. Those wishing to make donations of money in the girl's memory are being asked to contact the Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation

Tracy Police Department/Sandra Cantu
1000 Civic Center Drive
Tracy, CA 95376


I hope they have it on live stream if anyone finds out please let us know..


Morning mom,

This is a memorial right? Not the funeral? I wonder if Sandra's remains were released to the family for a funeral? :crying:

[n/t]

Ignore my post. I just saw the link that said this is the funeral.

[aproudmom]

good morning everyone. I just wondered since i was out of the loop yesterday, did they say anything else about the pastor?

Morning nana
as far as I know NO they have not. I did take a break last night but have not seen anything new on the net this morning..let us pray someone will pay soon:cursing:

do we start new threads on the holiday forum? anyone?

[aproudmom]

Ignore my post. I just saw the link that said this is the funeral.

Morning n/t
you think they will have it on live stream the public part I know they want a private one for them. Just wondered if anyone thinks it will be on Live

[GentleBreeze]

Actually I found what Fred said about the suitcase. It's in this article,

http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html

Good Morning, lune and everyone!

It seems Williams knows who this congregation member is but does not state her name.

So I am wondering if it was the Pastor's daughter and that is why they are checking her Kia.

Maybe she had some rummage sale items and then when it was all to be transfered to the church she realized the luggage wasn't there and told Williams about it.

Did she unknowingly give someone close to her and alibi about the suitcase and why it wouldn't be there anymore?

Just a thought.....

Also aren't we supposed to start a new daily thread everyday per CW?

imo

[StickyBeak]

New Thread for Today

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=351737