Thursday, April 9th Discussion [Archive] - In Session Message Boards

carlybarly

04-09-2009, 11:07 AM

Texas48

04-09-2009, 11:28 AM

Good morning everyone. Did we ever find out if ronald is working? Is misty working and if not, why not?Good morning Jo..Is Ronald working? hmmm. my response is..I'don't know...but..good morning anyway..I will see what other responses you get w/this question.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 11:30 AM

Good morning Frankie and Tex.

Tex, yes you can, lol

Just read the last page from last night. Good reading, I think.And good morning to you as well bully. I am going to try extremely hard today and follow Frankie's directions. lol..OK..I will go read that post..see ya in a bit.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 11:35 AM

Hello..anyone here this morning? I hear an echo.....

2boysMom

04-09-2009, 11:36 AM

This is my first time posting on this subject, although I've followed and read about it extensively. But I cannot figure out why the question of Ron or even Misty working is relevant? What does that have to do with the case? From my understanding Ron's job would require full focus and I can't imagine anyone could give that with their child missing.

I'm hoping for some kind of news at this point, no news is definitely not good news in cases like this.

Hi, welcome, and I agree with your post. Lots of people here are very interested in getting Ron back to work. I'm one to "put myself in his shoes" and agree that I'd not be able to focus on working.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 11:37 AM

Morning carly and welcome. I wish I could answer but I don't have a clue. I don't even understand why Crystal is left out of the equation.Hi carly and welcome to you..hope you brought new news with you..ok bully..I read last post from yesterday..lol

2boysMom

04-09-2009, 11:41 AM

Hello..anyone here this morning? I hear an echo.....

Mornin', Tex. I'm here:laugh:

Texas48

04-09-2009, 11:43 AM

This is so sad, with no news, no nothing. Not even a peep on whether or not anyone is being questioned, or re-questioned. I don't get it.This ..I do believe..is a case like NO other..poster are not even coming out...

Texas48

04-09-2009, 11:45 AM

Mornin', Tex. I'm here:laugh:OK..now I know I'm not alone on this great big board..scary feeling to think you are the only one wandering around...lol..OK..mom..give us new news..make something up is you have to..its ok.

CelticDawn

04-09-2009, 11:47 AM

2boysMom

04-09-2009, 11:51 AM

I would think Crystal is being left out of the equation because people are reading things like this coming from Ron and wonder if he plans on living off of the donations.
http://afterhoursfriends.com/?p=3411
IMO

It will be very interesting to see the tatoo parlor video. I wait with trepidation....

Texas48

04-09-2009, 11:57 AM

the LEAST HLN could do would be to go over what we KNOW....what is SPECULATION BUT LIKELY TRUE....what is SPECULATION BUT LIKELY DRIVEL....and what is DOWNRIGHT LIES....

just KEEP HER PICTURES OUT THERE....KEEP PEOPLE SEEING THAT FACE....She DESERVES TO BE FOUND!!!

end-rant.Good morning dawn..That was a rant? My goodness...Only kiddding dawn..I agree..this baby's picture has to stay in the public's eye. It feels to me that Haleigh is slowly slowly slipping out of the media..Something has to GIVE in order to keep her up front..The last time it went this slow Ron and Misty announced their wedding plans and man oh man..that put it out way in front for the media...I am scared to see what will happen this time in order for media to focus on Haleigh again..Whatever..I hope it does. Haleigh does deserve more than this. Where could this little girl be?

carlybarly

04-09-2009, 12:04 PM

Thanks for the welcome! I wish I had some news, ANY news at all. It is so frustrating when you hear nothing. I'm hoping one of you bring some news in today! lol

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 12:06 PM

It will be very interesting to see the tatoo parlor video. I wait with trepidation....

Well, that link was almost a month old, so I don't know about how long it will take to actually get the insider's video. JMO. :thumbdown:

I try not to hold my breath waiting for things like that and they almost always tend to yield disappointment. JMO again.

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME AND GIVE THIS FAMILY A MIRACLE!

carlybarly

04-09-2009, 12:09 PM

I agree Candykisses! Someone always has something that will "blow your mind" or "if you didn't hate him before, you will now" revelation to make and it usually doesn't measure up. Unless I hear it in official news and/or from LE, it really has no bearing on this case for me. It is like saying, well R & M did this because they knew they'd get lots of donations and not have to work lol. So he is an idiot who spends the donation money in his idiotic way, Haleigh was missing before that money came in.

FrankieBones1

04-09-2009, 12:11 PM

This is my first time posting on this subject, although I've followed and read about it extensively. But I cannot figure out why the question of Ron or even Misty working is relevant? What does that have to do with the case? From my understanding Ron's job would require full focus and I can't imagine anyone could give that with their child missing.

I'm hoping for some kind of news at this point, no news is definitely not good news in cases like this.

Parents need to work to put a roof over their families' heads and food on the table. What does he do all day long?

titanfan217

04-09-2009, 12:13 PM

Hi, welcome, and I agree with your post. Lots of people here are very interested in getting Ron back to work. I'm one to "put myself in his shoes" and agree that I'd not be able to focus on working.

There are several reasons why the interest in his "work".

1) (and at least top on my list). What will MC do if left alone? Will she be the "perfect wife" or will there be a "party girl"?

2) For someone who couldn't focus on work, he seemed to do quite well with getting married, getting a tattoo, and I won't even mention the ones rumored.

It's been mentioned that co-workers have donated vacation time for him to be off. If my SO had done that and then watched what has gone on, I would have been pissed.

3) And while this is a rumor, though there seems to be some basis for it, he may not even have a job to go back to.

JMO but I'm sticking to it.

carlybarly

04-09-2009, 12:15 PM

Yes that is true, but I imagine others are helping him during this time. If my child went missing the last thing on my mind would be working. And my family woudl make sure that the other children in my family were taken care of. This isn't an ordinary case of just not working imo. But all this speculation on why he isn't working is useless and pointless. I don't see people screaming cause Crystal isn't working to pay the back child support, which would likely come in handy right now to him. And I don't really think it is a matter of what does he do all day, like I said earlier, I don't think anyone could actually focus on their work.

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 12:15 PM

Parents need to work to put a roof over their families' heads and food on the table. What does he do all day long?

I believe he may have been out with an injury Frankie. Maybe that's why the mention of his prescription medication in the PR from his attorney IMO. Given he seems to have kept a job and the children, I'm not ready to call him a deadbeat DAD. :sneaky:

From all appearances, it would seem he was the only biological parent supporting the children for the past year and a half anyway. Just imagine what child support might have done for the children....:sad: JMO

carlybarly

04-09-2009, 12:21 PM

grma that isn't really fair to say is it? Cause we don't know what could have happened to Haleigh if she woudl have been with Crystal. There is absolutely no proof R & M did anything to Haleigh, just speculation. Who is to say what may have happened to Haleigh living with Crystal with Chad and his history of abuse towards his own children? or Crystal out at a maryjane party?

JD1974

04-09-2009, 12:32 PM

Well just imagine if Crystal had them she would still be here. IMO

Who knows for sure really? Crystal could of been driving with them and had a seizure...really can't go back and say the kids would of been safer with either parent. I do remember HaLeigh and her almost drowning occuring when BOTH parents were present, neither were watching her.

carlybarly

04-09-2009, 12:34 PM

What you just posted has nothing to do with you saying Haleigh would still be here if only she was with Crystal. There is absolutely nothing to say it couldn't have happened while in Crystals care. if you KNOW absolutely without a doubt that Ron or Misty was responsible, then please share it with us and the evidence with the LE. But you don't. So you cannot honestly say she would have been safer with Crystal. I just don't get how you can sit there and say, of course she woudl be safe. Were you planning to be there if Haleigh lived with Crystal to make sure of that?

JD1974

04-09-2009, 12:37 PM

yeah well that doesn't fly with me. Ronald had custody because there was not just one but two Judges that thought he was a better parent then Crystal.

and as far as Chad and his cocaine and his domestic violence background,...that doesn't really bug you right because you think the only one with a drug problem is Ronald right?

IMO they ALL have drug problems. When I lived in a really small town, the public defenders you would talk to said 95% of cases involved drugs or alcohol, because that is what bored people with nothing better to do turned to.

Mimi428

04-09-2009, 12:38 PM

Who is to say what may have happened to Haleigh living with Crystal with Chad and his history of abuse towards his own children?

<snipped>

Where did you get the info that Chad has a history of abuse towards his own children? The order of protection his former wife had is not proof of abuse towards children, it is just that because she did have minor children, that specific form was used. If she had not had minor children, a different form would have applied.

JMO

Texas48

04-09-2009, 12:43 PM

yeah well that doesn't fly with me. Ronald had custody because there was not just one but two Judges that thought he was a better parent then Crystal.

and as far as Chad and his cocaine and his domestic violence background,...that doesn't really bug you right because you think the only one with a drug problem is Ronald right?The only one with a drug problem is Ron??? No..I believe Misty is right up there as far as drug problems go....

JD1974

04-09-2009, 12:45 PM

<snipped>

Where did you get the info that Chad has a history of abuse towards his own children? The order of protection his former wife had is not proof of abuse towards children, it is just that because she did have minor children, that specific form was used. If she had not had minor children, a different form would have applied.

JMO

If the original complaint was filed in another state you cannot use FL forms because they were just transfered to those forms. No one knows what he did or didn't do, until someone can dig up the original paperwork either way. I have no idea personally what happened and I am not even going to guess.

crymeariver2006

04-09-2009, 12:46 PM

I believe he may have been out with an injury Frankie. Maybe that's why the mention of his prescription medication in the PR from his attorney IMO. Given he seems to have kept a job and the children, I'm not ready to call him a deadbeat DAD. :sneaky:

From all appearances, it would seem he was the only biological parent supporting the children for the past year and a half anyway. Just imagine what child support might have done for the children....:sad: JMO

When would he have been "out with an injury" given that he was (supposedly) working up until the night Haleigh went missing?

When was this "injury" and how was it caused?

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 12:46 PM

Who knows for sure really? Crystal could of been driving with them and had a seizure...really can't go back and say the kids would of been safer with either parent. I do remember HaLeigh and her almost drowning occuring when BOTH parents were present, neither were watching her.

I take that little Crystal story with a box of salt given nobody called for help and the description is sketchy at best. JMO tho. :ohmy:

Clearly the children deserved better all the way around, but they certainly appeared happy in their environment if you look back.

Last Easter....:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69zFz1kpRo&feature=related

I'm sure they will be very sad this Easter unless a miracle comes their way. BRING HALEIGH HOME. :wub:

?noanswer

04-09-2009, 12:47 PM

www.artharris.com (http://www.artharris.com)

Comment # 411 AH says "Cobra" has left Satsuma. JMO

JD1974

04-09-2009, 12:50 PM

Ohhh ITA... I really hope after this horrible tragedy they ALL grow up some and get up for their problems and put the children first.

They definitely all need to grow up. The only reason I defend Ron is because I don't think he harmed Haleigh. I won't defend him for drug use (if he is still using) nor will I defend anyone else for drug use (if they are still using). Without proof any of them are using at this time, the grow up and act like adults still applies!

JD1974

04-09-2009, 12:55 PM

I take that little Crystal story with a box of salt given nobody called for help and the description is sketchy at best. JMO tho. :ohmy:

Clearly the children deserved better all the way around, but they certainly appeared happy in their environment if you look back.

Last Easter....:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69zFz1kpRo&feature=related

I'm sure they will be very sad this Easter unless a miracle comes their way. BRING HALEIGH HOME. :wub:

I am not sure if I believe it either, but I was using Crystal's own account that both parents were there at the time it happened.

The only way this baby will be found is if someone speaks up. Someone somewhere knows something, unless she did just wander into the water...I just can't see that as plausible though with what we know. If she was taken by a SO someone still had to have seen/heard something.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 01:16 PM

I can post all my past mistakes. I've never been arrested for ANYTHING. and i can totally understand why Ron and Misty haven't been cleared they lived in the house with Haleigh and Misty can't keep the same story for five minutes ( IMO somethings wrong with that little girl ) but why haven't Chad and Crystal been cleared since they were two hours away.......

Everyone is suspect, no one knows what happened, logically how can they clear anyone when little is known?

Mimi428

04-09-2009, 01:38 PM

If the original complaint was filed in another state you cannot use FL forms because they were just transfered to those forms. No one knows what he did or didn't do, until someone can dig up the original paperwork either way. I have no idea personally what happened and I am not even going to guess.

Seems like a reasonable idea, too bad more do not share your viewpoint. It has been claimed several times on this board that Chad most definitely HAS committed violence against his childen - without an ounce of proof. It appears that some folks saw the dismissal form & did not understand that there is one order is for adults with minor children - & another order is for adults without minor children. Helen does have minor children & therefore the order that applied is the one which states she has minor children.

It seems that the wording - & the lack of awareness that there was a different form entirely for an adult without minor children - brought some folks to the conclusion that because the order was for an adult with minor children, it meant that violence was committed against those children. I can appreciate how the misunderstanding occurred.

What I cannot respect is the personal refusal to acknowledge that the reason anyone in general (or anyone specifically) believed Chad must have committed violence against the children was because that individual simply misunderstood that there were two options - & the option 'without minor children' simply did not apply to Helen.

Honest debate & discussion is a wonderful thing. I think it enhances our overall knowledge, it hones our critical thinking skills, it broadens our views of the world & the people in it. I think I benefit every day from reading the words of others. But every so often, it seems apparent that there are a few folks who would rather hold fast to an erroneous conclusion - & continue to disseminate bad information - than admit that a simple, understandable human error was made. More is the pity for all of us, when that happens.

JMO (& nothing directed at you personally)

titanfan217

04-09-2009, 01:40 PM

When would he have been "out with an injury" given that he was (supposedly) working up until the night Haleigh went missing?

When was this "injury" and how was it caused?

There was a report/rumor that he was seen with a neck brace and something had happened to his truck, but that was weeks ago.

I thought he was getting "vacation pay", some of which contributed by coworkers.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 01:40 PM

Ohhh ITA... I really hope after this horrible tragedy they ALL grow up some and get up for their problems and put the children first.
I will agree ref small town..drugs..go together but I don't believe this horrible tragedy will ever end and I'm not real sure any of them is going to grow up either..IF they ever put their children first..only time will tell.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 01:44 PM

I will agree ref small town..drugs..go together but I don't believe this horrible tragedy will ever end and I'm not real sure any of them is going to grow up either..IF they ever put their children first..only time will tell.

My head will explode if Misty is pregnant. Then it will explode again if she has a daughter and they name her Haleigh, because thats what Haleigh would have wanted, not saying Haleigh said that, but I can see that being Mistys reasoning.

I honestly would pay for a vasectomy for Ron Cummings....

jmo

Mimi428

04-09-2009, 01:46 PM

Jessie Grund is seeking legal action against inter-net postings that may have been trying to suggest he had something to do with her death.

Good for him!

Good for him, I hope he is successful.

titanfan217

04-09-2009, 01:55 PM

Seems like a reasonable idea, too bad more do not share your viewpoint. It has been claimed several times on this board that Chad most definitely HAS committed violence against his childen - without an ounce of proof. It appears that some folks saw the dismissal form & did not understand that there is one order is for adults with minor children - & another order is for adults without minor children. Helen does have minor children & therefore the order that applied is the one which states she has minor children.

It seems that the wording - & the lack of awareness that there was a different form entirely for an adult without minor children - brought some folks to the conclusion that because the order was for an adult with minor children, it meant that violence was committed against those children. I can appreciate how the misunderstanding occurred.

What I cannot respect is the personal refusal to acknowledge that the reason anyone in general (or anyone specifically) believed Chad must have committed violence against the children was because that individual simply misunderstood that there were two options - & the option 'without minor children' simply did not apply to Helen.

Honest debate & discussion is a wonderful thing. I think it enhances our overall knowledge, it hones our critical thinking skills, it broadens our views of the world & the people in it. I think I benefit every day from reading the words of others. But every so often, it seems apparent that there are a few folks who would rather hold fast to an erroneous conclusion - & continue to disseminate bad information - than admit that a simple, understandable human error was made. More is the pity for all of us, when that happens.

JMO (& nothing directed at you personally)

Thanks. Hopefully this clears things up. Apparently the original situation wasn't enough to make the news or nobody's found it.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 01:56 PM

If true then GOOD...He and a couple of others seem to be the ones who started this mess.Started this mess? What mess are you referring to?

Texas48

04-09-2009, 02:03 PM

I am not sure if I believe it either, but I was using Crystal's own account that both parents were there at the time it happened.

The only way this baby will be found is if someone speaks up. Someone somewhere knows something, unless she did just wander into the water...I just can't see that as plausible though with what we know. If she was taken by a SO someone still had to have seen/heard something.
Seems like the one that should speak up has..Misty has given LE ALL she is going to give them and it looks like she isn't going to change her story..so.....where to next? An SO took her? Misty did not hear anything according to her. Only thing LE has to go on is Misty's story (which is nothing) and what Jr claims he saw and heard. That still leaves us with no Haleigh..Such a shame.

carlybarly

04-09-2009, 02:17 PM

LOL Puffy! Unfortunately, I can imagine that!

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 02:32 PM

I believe he may have been out with an injury Frankie. Maybe that's why the mention of his prescription medication in the PR from his attorney IMO. Given he seems to have kept a job and the children, I'm not ready to call him a deadbeat DAD. :sneaky:

From all appearances, it would seem he was the only biological parent supporting the children for the past year and a half anyway. Just imagine what child support might have done for the children....:sad: JMO

Well, remember that pic of Ron and his face is just pretty much, whats the word, beat up?

something happened to his face and he looked real bad, does anyone have a link to that pic or remember it, did I dream it?

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 02:41 PM

When would he have been "out with an injury" given that he was (supposedly) working up until the night Haleigh went missing?

When was this "injury" and how was it caused?

Hey, there's a link at the top and I know some posters think nothing of calling his work, the Anthony bank, an attorney, friends and alleged family....

Apparently his attorney felt it should be addressed in the PR, but then again, within 24 hours I saw Art Harris stating Crystal was telling him about prescription medication XANAX that she was provided as well. Who knows what propels these kind of statements or what is behind them?

Why not call the attorney and ask, or maybe even an email? jmo

http://findhaleighnow.com/Press.htm#March302009

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 02:47 PM

I am not sure if I believe it either, but I was using Crystal's own account that both parents were there at the time it happened.

The only way this baby will be found is if someone speaks up. Someone somewhere knows something, unless she did just wander into the water...I just can't see that as plausible though with what we know. If she was taken by a SO someone still had to have seen/heard something.

I think someone has to know something too JD. I am hoping it isn't that someone doesn't realize they hold the key to finding Haleigh or we may never know. :crying:

I was surprised the first thing they centered on in the radio call was the train info. I think some of us have been prejudiced by all the bad press the web seems to give Satsuma, so we expect less when in fact it could be after seeing the Anthony Circus that LE is committed to handling this case with the utmost of professionalism. I am hoping that's the case anyway. JMO

Texas48

04-09-2009, 02:51 PM

First thing this morning

Post # 3

Post # 17

Post # 26

Post # 27

Post # 29

Post # 32

Post # 36Oh My..Please don't let ANY of my post be on THE LIST cause I am trying real hard to keep my word to Frankie....skip and scroll..I can do it..lol

Texas48

04-09-2009, 02:53 PM

My head will explode if Misty is pregnant. Then it will explode again if she has a daughter and they name her Haleigh, because thats what Haleigh would have wanted, not saying Haleigh said that, but I can see that being Mistys reasoning.

I honestly would pay for a vasectomy for Ron Cummings....

jmoOh Dear Me....Hope Ron reads the board and.........either take the $$$ offered....or...runs.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 02:56 PM

Yes Tex, no Haleigh. I don't know about anyone else, and maybe some one is doing it, but I would be at LE's office they would think I changed my address.and I believe I could say for everyone on this board that WE would ALL be right up there with you.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 03:00 PM

Thanks for the link, but I can not find that comment. Where do I look on that site?

Why did he leave? I did care to much for Cobra, but at least someone was looking for Haleigh.

Is everyone giving up on finding her? I hope NOT!
Cobra is going to help out Rev. Grund in the KC Anthony case according to Rev. Grund on NG show last night. WHO is left helping Haleigh??????

Texas48

04-09-2009, 03:23 PM

They can point the finger at Crystal and Chad all they want on this message board. The very real fact is that LE has NEVER said they suspected either one of them of being in that trailer the night Haleigh went missing.

As you said grma, the only person we know was there, was misty.

IMOI will not believe Chad/Crystal are even being considered as suspects by LE. Jo..your so right..Misty was there the night Haleigh went missing..The problem I have with Ron is when he has been ask about event that Misty claim took place at the trailer..he says..he hasn't ask her..Now..come on..does that make any sense at ALL to ANYONE? I don't personally know any one on this board or any other boards but I am willing to bet that None of us can buy that answer from Ron.

?noanswer

04-09-2009, 03:30 PM

Thanks for the link, but I can not find that comment. Where do I look on that site?

Why did he leave? I did care to much for Cobra, but at least someone was looking for Haleigh.

Is everyone giving up on finding her? I hope NOT!

Scroll down beyond the video and all the other pictures/videos and there will be comments starting with #1. JMO

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 03:47 PM

I will not believe Chad/Crystal are even being considered as suspects by LE. Jo..your so right..Misty was there the night Haleigh went missing..The problem I have with Ron is when he has been ask about event that Misty claim took place at the trailer..he says..he hasn't ask her..Now..come on..does that make any sense at ALL to ANYONE? I don't personally know any one on this board or any other boards but I am willing to bet that None of us can buy that answer from Ron.

What it really comes down to is that I think the cops know for sure Crystal and Chad were two hours away.

Now, that doesn't mean they couldn't have paid someone to take her, however I dont get the idea they have any money to pay anyone, she isn't even able to pay support, but I am not going to rag on her for not being able to, I know things happen.

jmo

rosieposett

04-09-2009, 03:50 PM

Lets go back to the beginning, timeline....only Misty knows that and she can't get that straight according to LE. IMO
so how do you go on from there? The only way to find her is to go back to the beginning and get that straight. IMO

You are right, grma, about Misti. Only Misti knows and can't get her story straight. Misti is not going to tell what happened. Not even if they shake her, kick her, hit her with that boomerang that keeps coming back to her. Either:

1 She doesn't remember from all the drugs she took;
2 She is covering up for herself
3 She is covering up for someone else.

I don't even consider she was not there that night and someone stole Haleigh. I don't think a stranger enters in the picture that night. jmo

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 03:57 PM

Some are wonder what Ron is doing??

Wonder what Crystal is doing?? How is she living, is she living on her own or with people, is she laying around, passing out flyers, looking for a job?? Is her mom still with her, is Chloe??

Anyone?

I don't know, but just having my fur baby in the hospital for two days last week was over $1,000 and of course we pay the bill on the spot. Can you imagine what a few trips to the hospital must cost when they are trying to find out what's going on with Crystal? Hopefully all the donations are coming in unless there is another way to get it covered.

JMO

Someone had an article that insinuated she would be at THE CENTER 24/7. I don't know what the Hot Dog shop was zoned before, but I would guess Commercial and I don't know how that all comes together.

Maybe the "friend" Jeremiah has helped out with getting that all straightened out. I would have thought she would stay with Johnny Sheffield and his wife or maybe Marie Griffis.....but who knows????

It's all speculation at this point, but I would think the media would have gotten something out if she was out hitting the pavement looking for Haleigh every day, just a thought tho. :sad:

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 04:07 PM

I don't know, but just having my fur baby in the hospital for two days last week was over $1,000 and of course we pay the bill on the spot. Can you imagine what a few trips to the hospital must cost when they are trying to find out what's going on with Crystal? Hopefully all the donations are coming in unless there is another way to get it covered.

JMO

Someone had an article that insinuated she would be at THE CENTER 24/7. I don't know what the Hot Dog shop was zoned before, but I would guess Commercial and I don't know how that all comes together.

Maybe the "friend" Jeremiah has helped out with getting that all straightened out. I would have thought she would stay with Johnny Sheffield and his wife or maybe Marie Griffis.....but who knows????

It's all speculation at this point, but I would think the media would have gotten something out if she was out hitting the pavement looking for Haleigh every day, just a thought tho. :sad:

Not everyone is as fortunate as you who can pay right on spot for medical care for a family member, there are such things as payment plans, if you got shot and were taken to the hospital, its not like they sit there and wait to save your life till your Amex clears.

As it stands right now the LE have said this is a possible abduction, if she believes that why should she be out looking for some bones?

Peaches

04-09-2009, 04:17 PM

Absolutely...so why not get her behind back in there and get it straightened out?
Maybe because her inconsistencies aren't hurting the case as much as some of us would like to believe they are....hmmmmm

What I do not understand is that bashing Ron and Misty is acceptable by some posters. I do not understand this.

Everyone should direct their attention on finding Haleigh.

It is very evident that Haleigh loved her dad as he did her.........even Crystal says that................

If LE wants to talk with Misty, she is available. She always has gone with them and has not once asked for an attorney.

MOO

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 04:20 PM

Snipped

As it stands right now the LE have said this is a possible abduction, if she believes that why should she be out looking for some bones?

Abduction = bones?????:confused:

Maybe you were confused and didn't read the post I responded to because nothing in it had to do with looking for BONES IMO.

It was in answer to what Crystal is doing these days herself IIRC.

Some are wonder what Ron is doing??

Wonder what Crystal is doing?? How is she living, is she living on her own or with people, is she laying around, passing out flyers, looking for a job?? Is her mom still with her, is Chloe??

Anyone?

I still see nothing about bones.

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 04:23 PM

rosieposett

04-09-2009, 04:25 PM

So blaming him for her disappearance is going to find her????

Just wanted to say, if Ron would look at the camera, show Haleigh's pic, plead with the public in MOO might help find her. One of the keys is keeping her picture out there, if in fact Ron believes she was taken. I think he knows Haleigh was not stolen. jmo

Peaches

04-09-2009, 04:25 PM

Why should I give a rest?? Is she not Haleighs mom, just like Ron is Haleighs dad. Why isn't what Crystal is doing just as important as what Ron is doing?

If you don't know the answer, just say so, or as you say, skip & scroll.

You are correct, bullyjo. I do not understand why some of the posters think that Crystal should be off topic just because she is Haleigh's mother and she is hurting, etc.

Do they not realize that Ron is her father and he is hurting too. Many of us behave differently when in pain..........And, to me, there is no right and wrong with grieving.

After all this time, it is hard to believe that LE can not give the media some indication of where they are going with this case. I hope they have not given up on Haleigh. She deserves so much more.

My big problem with Crystal is that I personally believe that as a parent, you OWE your children your time and your love...........4 days a month just does not show enough attention to a child that you claim to love with all your heart. That is me.

Gosh.............I see many of my good friends that often.

MOO

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 04:26 PM

Abduction = bones?????:confused:

Maybe you were confused and didn't read the post I responded to because nothing in it had to do with looking for BONES IMO.

It was in answer to what Crystal is doing these days herself IIRC.

I still see nothing about bones.

:rolleyes:

So.... what should she be out looking for? If the LE says abduction, are you saying she should be making the rounds knocking on all the doors of the trailers in the satsuma area where Haleigh disappeared? Do you think Ron should be doing this also?

titanfan217

04-09-2009, 04:26 PM

What it really comes down to is that I think the cops know for sure Crystal and Chad were two hours away.

Now, that doesn't mean they couldn't have paid someone to take her, however I dont get the idea they have any money to pay anyone, she isn't even able to pay support, but I am not going to rag on her for not being able to, I know things happen.

jmo

Absolutely. There are plenty of people that are trying to find work and imagine alot of them owe child support and do not have medical issues or a missing child.

Peaches

04-09-2009, 04:27 PM

I'm sorry you feel that way...

I'm simply not wanting to go 'round and 'round with you on the same subject..

I'll not post with you if that's what you really want. :confused:

Kathy,

I enjoy reading your thoughts and mostly agree with everything you say.............and I might add, you always say it so nicely.

Keep up your post and respond to whomever you want............:wub:

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 04:28 PM

You are correct, bullyjo. I do not understand why some of the posters think that Crystal should be off topic just because she is Haleigh's mother and she is hurting, etc.

Do they not realize that Ron is her father and he is hurting too. Many of us behave differently when in pain..........And, to me, there is no right and wrong with grieving.

After all this time, it is hard to believe that LE can not give the media some indication of where they are going with this case. I hope they have not given up on Haleigh. She deserves so much more.

My big problem with Crystal is that I personally believe that as a parent, you OWE your children your time and your love...........4 days a month just does not show enough attention to a child that you claim to love with all your heart. That is me.

Gosh.............I see many of my good friends that often.

MOO

So are you saying that custody arrangements between divorced couples where one has primary and then the other gets them every other holiday, summers, isn't a good parent?

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 04:29 PM

Pia, thats what I thought after all the times of interviewing her.

If they have anything on Ron or Misty, charge them with the least little thing they can. Otherwise, until they are arrested, they are just as innocent as everyone else. Including Crystal and her side. Just because she was 1 1/2 hrs. or so away, doesn't mean squat in my book. Just as Misty being home or not, doesn't mean squat unless they arrest her.

Well stated bullyjo. I don't understand the determination involved in smearing Ronald Cummings over children he fought to take care of IMO...:unsure:

I can wait to hear what DCF thinks and if their past reports are ever put out. jmo

Peaches

04-09-2009, 04:34 PM

Absolutely Peaches, good to see you again. It's so important to know if Ronald Cummings is working, but not so much on Crystal.

JMO:confused:

Haleigh should be coloring her eggs tomorrow and waiting for that Easter Bunny to come by............how sad for this family.........my heart especially breaks for Ron because he has been the one taking care of this baby for so long.

Say that does not mean that I approve of all his choices......most of us probably would have not done some of the things he has but ...........my personal opinion is that he did nothing to hurt his baby and that he loves her with all his being.

OT
Happy Easter to you, Candy Kisses. I hope that you and your family enjoy your time together. I know that my family will be celebrating the Life of our Christ and the fact that He LIVES! Because of this faith, I know that whoever took Haleigh will be held accountable someday if not sooner.

all my own opinion!:wub:

MOO

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 04:36 PM

:rolleyes:

So.... what should she be out looking for? If the LE says abduction, are you saying she should be making the rounds knocking on all the doors of the trailers in the satsuma area where Haleigh disappeared? Do you think Ron should be doing this also?

What does it matter regarding what I think? I think if Crystal was paying child support, maybe they would have used a licensed daycare provider, but it doesn't change anything, now does it???

:sneaky:Would that be your way of getting around the question regarding the word ABDUCTION and the word BONES? Not so much IMO.

You chose to twist the post I made responding to bullyjo IMO and again, it had nothing to do with looking for bones.

Peaches

04-09-2009, 04:37 PM

You know if it gives you some sort of evil pleasure to do this to a mother who's child is missing, I guess there is no point on even addressing it. But we do know that RC is trying to do what he wants to do as we saw in that video out of his own mouth, why wouldn't what he would want to do be go back to work? IMO

Ron's heart is breaking. He loves his daughter and was always there for her............not just 4 days a month................he was there everyday!

Even Crystal says that he loved Haleigh with all his being.

I feel certain that Crystal loved Haleigh in her own way but did not see the importance of helping with the day to day care of her --- thus moving so far away.

As a mother, I can not understand why any mother would not want to be near her children..............that is ME..............

MOO

rosieposett

04-09-2009, 04:40 PM

What I do not understand is that bashing Ron and Misty is acceptable by some posters. I do not understand this.

Everyone should direct their attention on finding Haleigh.

It is very evident that Haleigh loved her dad as he did her.........even Crystal says that................

If LE wants to talk with Misty, she is available. She always has gone with them and has not once asked for an attorney.

MOO

Hey Peaches. Actually the reason everyone is on Ron & Misti is we all feel they are the key to Haleigh. I do not consider questioning their words and actions bashing them but rather an attempt at understanding their motives for the things they do and say and why. Haleigh was not stolen by a SO/stranger in moo. She most likely never left her home alive that night. With that being the case who should we turn a hard eye toward? Surely Misti first, then Ron second.

Other reasons than just posters wanting to bash Ron have caused the posters here and the gen. public to keep a close eye on Ron. His mom and gm fudging the truth for his benefit. Red flags, right there. Why? Ron not begging the media and tv public to bring back his baby if he believes she was taken. Does he know she was not taken? I think so. Others think so too. That is why the questions about and of Ron. People don't believe him or respect him. That is my take on it anyway. jmo

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 04:40 PM

I would assume :rolleyes: Ron and Misty have extended family to help right now.
As for how he's paying bills....I don't know. How would any of us in this situation?

I haven't heard reports of any family member of Haleigh's putting out/up posters.

Yeah. That's the downside of the news waining. Haleigh fades away.

The odd thing is that Crystal is the only one known to lay around (if you will) as stated by her own sworn testimony. IIRC she did say some days she just didn't feel like getting out of bed as far as taking Haleigh to the doctor, didn't she? :confused:

But, some are worrying about Ronald Cummings laying around?????

JMO but looks like the old pot and kettle story. :ohmy:

Peaches

04-09-2009, 04:41 PM

So are you saying that custody arrangements between divorced couples where one has primary and then the other gets them every other holiday, summers, isn't a good parent?

My very own opinion is that as a parent, you should show up at their activities...........attend their school functions..........be there for everything.

I know many children of divorced parents who do this.............they care for their children so they are THERE for thir child. To me this is a good thing.

4 days a month............does not work................moo

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 04:43 PM

Ron's heart is breaking. He loves his daughter and was always there for her............not just 4 days a month................he was there everyday!

Even Crystal says that he loved Haleigh with all his being.

I feel certain that Crystal loved Haleigh in her own way but did not see the importance of helping with the day to day care of her --- thus moving so far away.

As a mother, I can not understand why any mother would not want to be near her children..............that is ME..............

MOO

And that right there is why NG asked Crystal why she moved so far from the children IMO. Parents need to be available to their children as much as they can IMO and that won't change in this life time. JMO:thumbup:

BRING HALEIGH HOME!:wub:

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 04:44 PM

What does it matter regarding what I think? I think if Crystal was paying child support, maybe they would have used a licensed daycare provider, but it doesn't change anything, now does it???

:sneaky:Would that be your way of getting around the question regarding the word ABDUCTION and the word BONES? Not so much IMO.

You chose to twist the post I made responding to bullyjo IMO and again, it had nothing to do with looking for bones.

uhh, Candy, you stated Crystal should be out looking all I asked was in which capacity.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 04:45 PM

What does it matter regarding what I think? I think if Crystal was paying child support, maybe they would have used a licensed daycare provider, but it doesn't change anything, now does it???

:sneaky:Would that be your way of getting around the question regarding the word ABDUCTION and the word BONES? Not so much IMO.

You chose to twist the post I made responding to bullyjo IMO and again, it had nothing to do with looking for bones.

Wow, this is such a great post, it just makes me think and think!!

Now when Crystal was paying support, who was watching the kids, any idea?

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 04:46 PM

My very own opinion is that as a parent, you should show up at their activities...........attend their school functions..........be there for everything.

I know many children of divorced parents who do this.............they care for their children so they are THERE for thir child. To me this is a good thing.

4 days a month............does not work................moo

Obviously it works considering there are millions of families in this situation....

titanfan217

04-09-2009, 04:48 PM

So are you saying that custody arrangements between divorced couples where one has primary and then the other gets them every other holiday, summers, isn't a good parent?

If so, then judges all over the country are creating non-good parents.
Even standard divorce forms are created with this arrangement, and I'm not sure what our local judges do if something different comes in.

From what I've seen/heard, I do wish the parents would have formed a bond for JR's sake, and CS could have spent more time with him when he needs extra support, but it sure sounded as if she was still restricted to her usual visitations.

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 04:51 PM

uhh, Candy, you stated Crystal should be out looking all I asked was in which capacity.

Now you are putting words in my posts that are not there.

PLEASE PROVIDE A LINK showing where I STATED "CRYSTAL SHOULD BE OUT LOOKING".....I can stick around a little longer.

TIA. :smile:

Peaches

04-09-2009, 04:52 PM

Hey Peaches. Actually the reason everyone is on Ron & Misti is we all feel they are the key to Haleigh. I do not consider questioning their words and actions bashing them but rather an attempt at understanding their motives for the things they do and say and why. Haleigh was not stolen by a SO/stranger in moo. She most likely never left her home alive that night. With that being the case who should we turn a hard eye toward? Surely Misti first, then Ron second.

Other reasons than just posters wanting to bash Ron have caused the posters here and the gen. public to keep a close eye on Ron. His mom and gm fudging the truth for his benefit. Red flags, right there. Why? Ron not begging the media and tv public to bring back his baby if he believes she was taken. Does he know she was not taken? I think so. Others think so too. That is why the questions about and of Ron. People don't believe him or respect him. That is my take on it anyway. jmo

Personally, I do not approve of Ron's lifestyle nor do I of Crystal's.............that is just me!

Saying that, I still do not think for one minute that Ron did anything to Haleigh................

He used the word stolen..........and should have been taken but those of us with a limited vocabulary many not select the correct word---especially when we are frantic/worried.

Rosie, I can not understand why you can respect Crystal and not Ron. To me they are painted by the same brush, except for the fact that Ron took care of his children 24/7 while Crystal chose to move away and saw them only 4 days a month..........so to me, that gives Ron a leg up!

MOO

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 04:54 PM

Now you are putting words in my posts that are not there.

PLEASE PROVIDE A LINK showing where I STATED "CRYSTAL SHOULD BE OUT LOOKING".....I can stick around a little longer.

TIA. :smile:

Found it scroll down!

titanfan217

04-09-2009, 04:54 PM

I was reading Ron's attorney's press releases at the findhaleighnow website. In their March 19th press release they state:

"4. That Ronald Cummings stands behind his wife, Misty, and supports her 100%. The law office of Kimball & Snider, P.A. has decided it is best to only represent Ronald and not Misty, because of their different respective legal positions."

This is more than likely in answer to, or in anticipation of, people questioning why Misty isn't being represented by an attorney. That's my take on that particular statement of theirs.

I have thought that Misty is not only unprotected, she is being thrown out like garbage.

these are a couple of my opinions

MC is the one that said she didn't need an attorney.

I believe RC's attorney is only for any custody or abuse issues.

Peaches

04-09-2009, 04:56 PM

Obviously it works considering there are millions of families in this situation....

Obviously what works.....................Most children from divorced parents that I know see their children more than 4 days a month. In fact, they are involved in their day to day life.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 04:57 PM

teresa

04-09-2009, 04:58 PM

Seems like a reasonable idea, too bad more do not share your viewpoint. It has been claimed several times on this board that Chad most definitely HAS committed violence against his childen - without an ounce of proof. It appears that some folks saw the dismissal form & did not understand that there is one order is for adults with minor children - & another order is for adults without minor children. Helen does have minor children & therefore the order that applied is the one which states she has minor children.

It seems that the wording - & the lack of awareness that there was a different form entirely for an adult without minor children - brought some folks to the conclusion that because the order was for an adult with minor children, it meant that violence was committed against those children. I can appreciate how the misunderstanding occurred.

What I cannot respect is the personal refusal to acknowledge that the reason anyone in general (or anyone specifically) believed Chad must have committed violence against the children was because that individual simply misunderstood that there were two options - & the option 'without minor children' simply did not apply to Helen.

Honest debate & discussion is a wonderful thing. I think it enhances our overall knowledge, it hones our critical thinking skills, it broadens our views of the world & the people in it. I think I benefit every day from reading the words of others. But every so often, it seems apparent that there are a few folks who would rather hold fast to an erroneous conclusion - & continue to disseminate bad information - than admit that a simple, understandable human error was made. More is the pity for all of us, when that happens.

JMO (& nothing directed at you personally)

Mimi, two things. That case was transferred into Baker Co and there is not original case in any other county in FL so we don't really know.

When Crystal filed on Ron, she had minor children yet the court record doesn't mention that so I don't know that we can just assume the order for Chad would say that only because there were minor children. Crystal dropped hers so it may be that we can't compare the two but we really don't know anything regarding Chad's that we can state as fact either way. We may find out if there is a custody hearing and all records don't get closed.

Peaches

04-09-2009, 05:07 PM

snipped for space

So, you must believe Ron or Misty is not hitting the pavement either..right?

The way I look at it, at least Crystal does have a building and is trying to do something.

Crystal's building.....................I understand that it was suppose to be open 24/7 but I am hearding that it is not happening.............so there goes your...............

at least Crystal does have a building.................MOO

rosieposett

04-09-2009, 05:08 PM

Maybe I have misread your post but are you saying that Ron HASN'T begged for her return? I am pretty sure I have seen him do just that almost every time he has been on TV?
Is that what you are saying?

Actually what I was referring to, and said so badly, is that it seems when the media comes around with their cameras and microphones, Ron runs away, or gets an attitude. The times I have seen him anyway. Those would be perfect opportunities to show her picture and speak directly to the camera for anyone watching who might have Haleigh. That is what I was trying to say. Sorry I was not clear on that. jmo of course. The reason I think he doesn't do that is because he knows no one took her. That is my theory only, no proof. jmo

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 05:13 PM

You have more willpower then me grma.

I am still looking for the picture of Ron's face. I am NOT disputing the poster, I would just really like to see it. Can someone tell me what happened?..was it a fight?..wreck?..etc.

Gosh, I miss those morning links! I am lost without them!

I have seen it, its Ron with Haleigh, maybe opening gifts or something, and the side of his face looks like he slid on pavement. I cant remember where I saw it, but I did...

rosieposett

04-09-2009, 05:16 PM

Personally, I do not approve of Ron's lifestyle nor do I of Crystal's.............that is just me!

Saying that, I still do not think for one minute that Ron did anything to Haleigh................

He used the word stolen..........and should have been taken but those of us with a limited vocabulary many not select the correct word---especially when we are frantic/worried.

Rosie, I can not understand why you can respect Crystal and not Ron. To me they are painted by the same brush, except for the fact that Ron took care of his children 24/7 while Crystal chose to move away and saw them only 4 days a month..........so to me, that gives Ron a leg up!

MOO

Peaches, I am saying this in a very calm voice and hope you hear it that way. I do not nor have I ever respected Crystal. I see some positive steps she has taken since Haleigh has been gone. I have seen some backsliding on Ron's part. All in all I am not on either ones side.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 05:20 PM

I have seen Crystals mom, Marie, and that is what I see as controlling and manipulative.
jmo

Some Moms are...

sleuth

04-09-2009, 05:25 PM

I wish we could see Misty's rap sheet because so far we have Ronald, Crystal, and Chad all with a rap sheet. I've never in my life seen such a strange family....well thats not true they aren't really as bad as the Anthonys.

Misty's rap sheet, so to say, is not available because she is a minor. I'd love to have a peek at it also.

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 05:31 PM

Oh, I found it Candy!

No, unfortunately you did not. You chose to pull a post I responded to and now you are trying to spin it again.

There is nothing there saying "CRYSTAL SHOULD BE OUT LOOKING FOR HALEIGH"...Respectfully, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT or is it a comprehension issue?

HERE ARE MY WORDS you are RELYING ON...

"It's all speculation at this point, but I would think the media would have gotten something out if she was out hitting the pavement looking for Haleigh every day, just a thought tho."

Bullyjo was asking the same questions about Crystal that Jo was asking about Ronald basically and I ANSWERED HER WITH THE ABOVE.

You got it wrong as you still have yet to post a link to me stating "CRYSTAL SHOULD BE OUT LOOKING FOR HALEIGH"....still waiting. JMO :ohmy:

The reason you won't find it is because EVEN WHEN RON WENT WITH TIM MILLER, I didn't think he should have, given you never know what you will come upon and the idea of INSURING THE EVIDENCE IS NOT TAINTED if their worst fears were recognized. JMO, but why would I want another parent to do that? Even Tim hated to see him search with them IIRC.

P.S. There is a significant difference in passing out fliers and going in on a search IMHO. But again, you just won't find what you've accused me of because it's not my thought. Answering a question by stating you believe the media would have caught that and REPORTED SUCH to keep her name out is in no way saying she should be out doing anything from fliers to ACTIVE SEARCHES IMO. :smile:

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 05:34 PM

Haleigh should be coloring her eggs tomorrow and waiting for that Easter Bunny to come by............how sad for this family.........my heart especially breaks for Ron because he has been the one taking care of this baby for so long.

Say that does not mean that I approve of all his choices......most of us probably would have not done some of the things he has but ...........my personal opinion is that he did nothing to hurt his baby and that he loves her with all his being.

OT
Happy Easter to you, Candy Kisses. I hope that you and your family enjoy your time together. I know that my family will be celebrating the Life of our Christ and the fact that He LIVES! Because of this faith, I know that whoever took Haleigh will be held accountable someday if not sooner.

all my own opinion!:wub:

MOO

ITA and wishing you the same. I posted this earlier as it's got a good deal of footage from last Easter and you can see the joy in the children. I am holding out for an EASTER MIRACLE and saying my prayers daily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69zF...eature=related

:wub:

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 05:38 PM

Me too, I'm nosy like that. But, if its true that she was thrown out at 16?, I'm sure like thousands of other kids, you do what you have to do to survive. Whether they are throw away kids or runaways.
jmo

Maybe some of the allure of Ron to Misty is that he can supply a home for her, it sounds like she was bouncing around alot, which is sad, where Crystals mother may be aggressive, Mistys mom seems really lax, and TN, her demeanor is appealing to me, I believe the videos of her saying how great haleigh was and how much she loves her, however I feel shes such a softy her kids walk right over, I pray just for her sake her son is not responsible for this.

jmo

Texas48

04-09-2009, 05:40 PM

Thinking about that in hindsight, I have to wonder if these seizures may not have played a roll in her wanting to stay in bed... before they started to manifest themselves?

I guess some could put their missing child out of the forefront while working, but I'm not one of them.
Everyone handles things differently, and I can certainly see the reasons if both remained out of the workforce right now. Kathy...I wounder if Crystal was suffering from "fatigue" back when she had Haleigh and was "unable" to get out of bed to take Haleigh to Dr. Appts.? Now she has suffered several seizures..Could it all be related? I believe so. Just thinking.....

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 05:40 PM

I have seen Crystals mom, Marie, and that is what I see as controlling and manipulative.
jmo

Oh the early days of Marie trying to control things....those were the good ole days. JMO. :wink:

Peaches

04-09-2009, 05:41 PM

Have you forgotten Misty walked out of an interview?

NO, but I heard her say that she would talk with anyone except one certain person. She has that right.

She has not been charged with anything.................nothing.

Misty has made it very clear that she would talk with LE.............just not that one person.

To me, she is a 17 year old who does need an attorney -- someone who can support her.

MOO

Peaches

04-09-2009, 05:43 PM

ITA and wishing you the same. I posted this earlier as it's got a good deal of footage from last Easter and you can see the joy in the children. I am holding out for an EASTER MIRACLE and saying my prayers daily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69zF...eature=related

:wub:

CK, I watched all the videos on that site. Thank you very much. I saw much love shared between father and daughter.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 05:58 PM

Peaches, I am saying this in a very calm voice and hope you hear it that way. I do not nor have I ever respected Crystal. I see some positive steps she has taken since Haleigh has been gone. I have seen some backsliding on Ron's part. All in all I am not on either ones side.rosie..I am not on any "side" here. As far as I am concerned ALL the families should have come together and joined forces instead of pulling away from each other. What GOOD is it doing Haleigh with the fighting and arguring? WHAT good is it doing anyone on these boards to be arguring? HOW does that help Haleigh? I live in a world today where babies/children/young adults go missing/kidnapped and or murdered even by their own mothers/parents. We just watched a little girl skipping along not a care in the world. Where is she today? As far as I am concerned we can't love our children/grandchildren enough. Here we now have Haleigh that is still missing...God only knows where she is at and what has happened to her little body. With Easter close by lets just try and get along and pray this child is found.

Peaches

04-09-2009, 06:09 PM

Holy Canolies Peaches, where ya been?:thumbsup:

Here and there.................getting ready for that Easter Bunny!

Hopefully, Haleigh will be found by this Sunday. It makes me sad to think that there seems to be no one searching but we really do not know what LE/FBI are doing. Maybe - just maybe they will find her.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 06:12 PM

Just curious....have your read Art Harris's website yet? If not, you may want to, it has some information that may help you.

And lets think about this-

Ron works from what 3-3? 4 days a week? From what I hear Haleigh missed a lot of school, Ron would have to get her ready for school, we hear misty would take her to the bus, so basically he was seeing haleigh for 30 minutes a day between waking up, if he woke up with her, to her getting off the bus, so theres about 2 hours in 4 days.

Then there are the weekends, he gets two, so does Crystal, I feel real confident saying Crystal spending her 96 hours a month is probably close or equal to Rons time, and who knows how much time she spent with the grandmother while Ron was out doing recreational stuff..

jmo

Peaches

04-09-2009, 06:15 PM

Just curious....have your read Art Harris's website yet? If not, you may want to, it has some information that may help you.

No thank you.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 06:16 PM

It could have also been depression. Or any number of reasons...I think so too Pia..Ya know..one day I was thinking about it all and that thought crossed my mind as I was trying to understand why a mother would not get up and take her child to an important Dr. Appt. Then the seizure incident with Crystal came about and thought about it again..Then Kathy post reminded me again..There could be several illnesses that would have symptoms of fatigue/depression..Heck depression alone will get the best of anyone..kwim?

cat3

04-09-2009, 06:18 PM

Actually what I was referring to, and said so badly, is that it seems when the media comes around with their cameras and microphones, Ron runs away, or gets an attitude. The times I have seen him anyway. Those would be perfect opportunities to show her picture and speak directly to the camera for anyone watching who might have Haleigh. That is what I was trying to say. Sorry I was not clear on that. jmo of course. The reason I think he doesn't do that is because he knows no one took her. That is my theory only, no proof. jmo

I wish both sides would get out more via the media.I imagine that it is due to attorney advice that they are holding back now.It wouldn't stop me,but I think that is why Ron has become silent.
The only time I have seen Ron turn away from the camera was the day at the court house with Misty.
Even when Geraldo treated Ron like sh*t(the narc episode),Ron followed after Geraldo and made a plea for Haleigh.That says a lot right there to me.He had to have been angry,but he still made his plea for Haleigh.
The day of the tattoo.....same thing.Ron said get the camera out of my face,but then asked if camera was on,and made his plea for Haleigh.IMO

Texas48

04-09-2009, 06:22 PM

I agree and hope for TN also. As of right now, I still don't believe any of the families had anything to do with Haleigh being missing.Ya know..I watch TN on every interview she did and to me..Her heart is broken. I believe TN more than likely raised those babies as her own. I have raised one of my grandsons and let me tell you..they become just like yours..This is how I see TN.

Amy

04-09-2009, 06:23 PM

I see what you're saying. I know that I forget that this girl is barely 17 years old. She wouldn't know that she needed to seek counsel, more than likely.

I have thought that Ron and his relatives are very controlling and manipulative and I think they have kept her from getting an attorney, telling her she does not need one; but, this is just speculation based upon their words, actions, and demeanor when in the media.

And, of course, these are just my opinions.

She does have a mother who surely would encourage her daughter to retain her own attorney. Surely her mother can see where anyone on the front lines of a situation like this should have her own attorney, innocent or not. I'm thinking that Kim P and Ron's attorney are working pro bono, @ least I don't see the money pot that would be paying them. Surely there is an attorney out there that would take Misti pro bono, too, if the issue is money as much as it is "I'm innocent, I don't need a lawyer." I wonder if any have approached her?

Texas48

04-09-2009, 06:33 PM

She does have a mother who surely would encourage her daughter to retain her own attorney. Surely her mother can see where anyone on the front lines of a situation like this should have her own attorney, innocent or not. I'm thinking that Kim P and Ron's attorney are working pro bono, @ least I don't see the money pot that would be paying them. Surely there is an attorney out there that would take Misti pro bono, too, if the issue is money as much as it is "I'm innocent, I don't need a lawyer." I wonder if any have approached her?I'm not sure Misty's mother ever thought that far ahead..Maybe if Misty's mom thought she(mom) was going to be charged w/something she might think to get an attorney....I don't have alot of respect for a mother that lets her very young daughter hit the streets and "survive" the best she can. Misty "has not been charged" as of yet..and she is keeping her mouth shut as it is and thats what an attorney would tell her anyway. We all know that...so..if and when she is charged the court will appoint her an attorney..I think...I hope..am I right? How am I doing Frankie?

teresa

04-09-2009, 06:38 PM

At least Ron did try to keep the families together in the beginning. He isn't the one who started dissing the other family. He even defended Crystal and said what happened to Haleigh was not related to Crystal and the custody issues.

Although he did not get into specifics, Cummings said the two families had held a vigil together Tuesday night, but Sheffield and her family went to a different location Wednesday.

"I feel we should come together and join forces because, obviously, together we could be stronger," he said.

He added that he also wanted to dispute any ideas about the disappearance of Haleigh being related to the custody issue.

"I just want it cleared up this is not a custody battle," he said.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902131006

Peaches

04-09-2009, 06:39 PM

Ya know..I watch TN on every interview she did and to me..Her heart is broken. I believe TN more than likely raised those babies as her own. I have raised one of my grandsons and let me tell you..they become just like yours..This is how I see TN.

I agree with your entire post. Also, by helping with their care, you become very close to those who depend on us.

moo

Texas48

04-09-2009, 06:42 PM

Well, we know Crystal had a small accident and has went to the hospital.

Why can't Ron or Misty, take over the times that Crystal can't be there? At least, then we could say Ron or Misty is doing something.

I mean no person can go 24 hours 7 days a week with no sleep, even if she hadn't had the accident...right?

Where did you hear the above?Here is a perfect example of how the families could pull together..great idea apple..Crystal and Chad..Ron and Misty..and all the GMs..could take turns in the Haleighbug. The media would go after that in a heartbeat. Well..it would be different...:blushing:

Peaches

04-09-2009, 06:45 PM

cat3

04-09-2009, 06:49 PM

Here is a perfect example of how the families could pull together..great idea apple..Crystal and Chad..Ron and Misty..and all the GMs..could take turns in the Haleighbug. The media would go after that in a heartbeat. Well..it would be different...:blushing:

It would be different alright.I can't see it happening,but it would be great.Another thing would be if Ron and Crystal could appear together to make a plea for Haleigh's return,without talking about all the side issues.A bit late in the day for this to happen,and probably fantasy on my part,but it would be a change and might draw some attention to the case.IMO

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 06:55 PM

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. It is her legal right. She is not under arrest.

Yeah, but it looks bad.
jmo

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 06:55 PM

It could have also been depression. Or any number of reasons...

Yes, it could have been any reason given the transcript reveals she didn't stop the cocaine use by her own admission until she found out she was pregnant with Junior. I believe she stated that on Geraldo too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498154,00.html

SHEFFIELD: We were living in Leesburg at his mother’s house. And I had just found out I was pregnant. We were both doing cocaine and I stopped and I walked in the bedroom and he was doing it.

And I was like, you know, how are you gone do this in front of me after I just found out I was pregnant and I just stopped? And he got very pissed off and I had my — I was facing — I had my back turned to him. He punched me in the head and then I turned around and he kicked me off the bed.

JMO and I find the entire interview very sad and disgusting at the same time IF IT IS TRUE, but if it's more false reporting like the FELONY she reported, IT'S EVEN WORSE as I find them both guilty of poor parenting. But that is just me period. It's like picking the lesser of two evils, but walking out on your children is a hard pill for me to swallow knowing what women will do to make sure the children come first. AGAIN, JMO.

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 07:03 PM

NO, but I heard her say that she would talk with anyone except one certain person. She has that right.

She has not been charged with anything.................nothing.

Misty has made it very clear that she would talk with LE.............just not that one person.

To me, she is a 17 year old who does need an attorney -- someone who can support her.

MOO

My sentiments too Peaches. Why should anyone put up with people telling them they are a liar if they are telling the truth about what they ARE ABLE TO REMEMBER???

IF MISTY is still committed to her husband and his family, she could obtain the services of an attorney and that person would be able to cut through any fears about owning up to previous drug usage, possible repercussions IF SHE LEFT THE HOUSE, and make sure she understood the law as it pertained to her.

IT would also force LE to deal with her in a reasonable manner and not engage in trying to make something fit that just might not be SO IMOO.

But some were quite happy that COBRA could do things that are not permitted within the scope of LE in an investigation like this IIRC. I dunno, I'd like to think LE still operates in a manner that will enable them to be able to present their evidence in a court of law period. There is nothing worse than having evidence thrown out because of going outside the parameters. :thumbup:JMO and nothing more.

Texas48

04-09-2009, 07:03 PM

It would be different alright.I can't see it happening,but it would be great.Another thing would be if Ron and Crystal could appear together to make a plea for Haleigh's return,without talking about all the side issues.A bit late in the day for this to happen,and probably fantasy on my part,but it would be a change and might draw some attention to the case.IMOHi cat..Your right as it would be different but....I believe Crystal and Ron could/should do this together and should be able to put all issues aside..afterall..their daughter Haleigh is missing..gone..vanished into the night. You bet they should be able to put their differences aside. At this point anything would be worth a try..Anything to get the media going again. My goodness..last time I said this case needed some "juice"as it was slowing way down...Ron and Misty got married..Look how the media took off on that..The posters were way down just the day before.. go back and see how this board for once outnumbered the Caylee board. Now..all we have to do is get the word to Crystal and Ron..I'll leave that job up to you..lol..:thumbsup:

Texas48

04-09-2009, 07:06 PM

Yeah, but it looks bad.
jmoAnd we the public would have NEVER known about the incident if Misty had not told it herself...cause we sure are not hearing anything from LE.

titanfan217

04-09-2009, 07:07 PM

I'm looking for the audio of the officers talking with the dispatchers when they were answering the call.

I didn't see it in the links, but I'm also not sure what it's called. I'm not talking about the 911 call.

cat3

04-09-2009, 07:09 PM

Hi cat..Your right as it would be different but....I believe Crystal and Ron could/should do this together and should be able to put all issues aside..afterall..their daughter Haleigh is missing..gone..vanished into the night. You bet they should be able to put their differences aside. At this point anything would be worth a try..Anything to get the media going again. My goodness..last time I said this case needed some "juice"as it was slowing way down...Ron and Misty got married..Look how the media took off on that..The posters were way down just the day before.. go back and see how this board for once outnumbered the Caylee board. Now..all we have to do is get the word to Crystal and Ron..I'll leave that job up to you..lol..:thumbsup:

Ah if only I had that much power.lol. I wish LE could have some pressure put on them to resume searching for Haleigh,but the searches have probably stopped for lack of money and personel to actually do the searches.Oh well.....maybe we will get something soon to draw interest in this case.IMO

Texas48

04-09-2009, 07:15 PM

I wonder if any lawyers have approached Misty, also. Ron's attorney's, on their website, findhaleighnow, state that they are representing him pro bono. I believe that Ms. Picazio is representing Crystal pro bono.

I wonder if Misty's mom is able to influence or help Misty, now that she is Ron's wife.I just cannot see Misty's mom thinking in "that" direction...I don't know what to think of Misty's mom when I really stop and think about it. I believe when the time comes..if LE lists her as suspect or makes an arrest an attorney can and will be appointed to her. At the present time she isn't saying anything..so..thats what an attorney would tell her anyway.