Thursday 9th April

[MoonFlwr]

New thread for Thursday.

Peace to all family members suffering through this nightmare!

[Riverwalk!]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/08/ng.01.html

SGT. TONY SHENEMAN, PIO, TRACY POLICE DEPT. ON THE CASE: Nancy, the judge has asked to us to seal all of the warrants and I can`t comment on any information contained in the warrants or the affidavits to obtain the warrants.

GRACE: OK, understood. Sergeant, have you identified to whom the suitcase originally belonged?

SHENEMAN: There has been no identification made as to the owner.

GRACE: Was it headed for a rummage sale at the church?

SHENEMAN: I can`t confirm that either. That was a rumor I heard from the press along with the rumor that it was stolen from the trailer park or stolen from outside the church. We have no reports of either of those instances occurring.

GRACE: I know you can`t comment on the search of the church`s crawl space. Can you comment as to whether evidence was taken from the church, Sgt. Sheneman?

SHENEMAN: There were articles removed from everywhere that we`ve searched.

GRACE: Sergeant, do you believe more than one person is involved in the little girl`s murder?

SHENEMAN: We don`t have an indication yet if there was more than one person involved.

GRACE: Sergeant, was the little girl clothed when she was found?

SHENEMAN: That is how she was identified. She was wearing the clothes that she was seen in the video that you just viewed along with some earrings that she had that we were aware that she was wearing.

[aproudmom]

New thread for Thursday.

Peace to all family members suffering through this nightmare!

thank you so much Moon

Good morning everyone

bringing this over since just posted it

Let me clarify something. The gloves and the "I found it" are two different things. There is video of an agent crawling in the hole and coming out with those work gloves.

Separate issue is that a reporter heard an agent say "I found it", also in a video taken while people were working there, and evidently they spent most of day at church.

I mentioned this "I found it " thing twice today because I found it curious, ...during last night's discussion w aproudmom, who found the link.
I questioned what the it is, not "I found something" but it, as though it was specifically being looked for

That crawl space btw had a grill window, and those agents did not remove it, instead they dug a hole behind the AC.

hey Lune you talking about me..lol
no I remember this and they did not take the grate off you could even see the flashlight she took in shinning from under there so why not remove the grate since it was so close and bigger than that little hole no wonder a women had to crawl through it..one reporter said he heard her say "I got it" or found it one of the 2 it looked as if she was not been under there very long maybe they saw something through the grate and wanted to check it out..but I have no doubt since they dug a hole they had a reason to be in that area..they took napkins, sippy cup a white bag which was just laying on the ground near the church... IIRC they were making sure they did not miss a thing...lune you know I do not even know if the media always tells the whole truth..he was so sure it was said but never heard it with my ears out of the FBI just the reporter..but I do think they went in looking for something one more thing they were allowing media close enough to hear that here I go thinking to much again....:confused:.IMO

O/T keep little Haleigh in your prayers it has been 59 days since she was last seen:crying:

[aproudmom]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/08/ng.01.html

SGT. TONY SHENEMAN, PIO, TRACY POLICE DEPT. ON THE CASE: Nancy, the judge has asked to us to seal all of the warrants and I can`t comment on any information contained in the warrants or the affidavits to obtain the warrants.

GRACE: OK, understood. Sergeant, have you identified to whom the suitcase originally belonged?

SHENEMAN: There has been no identification made as to the owner.

GRACE: Was it headed for a rummage sale at the church?

SHENEMAN: I can`t confirm that either. That was a rumor I heard from the press along with the rumor that it was stolen from the trailer park or stolen from outside the church. We have no reports of either of those instances occurring.

GRACE: I know you can`t comment on the search of the church`s crawl space. Can you comment as to whether evidence was taken from the church, Sgt. Sheneman?

SHENEMAN: There were articles removed from everywhere that we`ve searched.

GRACE: Sergeant, do you believe more than one person is involved in the little girl`s murder?

SHENEMAN: We don`t have an indication yet if there was more than one person involved.

GRACE: Sergeant, was the little girl clothed when she was found?

SHENEMAN: That is how she was identified. She was wearing the clothes that she was seen in the video that you just viewed along with some earrings that she had that we were aware that she was wearing.

OK, understood. NG favorite words..lol..
Morning RiverW Thanks for added this I was happy to get my question answered she was clothed that was the first I heard him say she was he only said they had identified her by the clothes she was last seen in..so she still had her earrings in that means should have soft tissue I have a feeling it could be the same earrings we see in the pictures at her birthday which were dangle earrings made me also think they hung pretty low if there was a struggle or fighting to get away it would have been so easy for the earrings to be out of her ears but since they were not and I do not think this person put them back on her..I really hope she was not abused and did not have to fight even though usually it is strangulation.. and heard they keep say a weapon has not been found..so a lot of the shows I watched they said they do know how she died more than likely.:crying:

ok can not think about it anymore just wish she had been given something that knocked her out and she did not suffer..:crying:

[aproudmom]

ok so the kia was the great grandkid? or her parents?
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03971.jpg

4/7 Melissa Huckaby's Kia

BTW thanks to AmndaRcknwth
for putting the pics in the links thread

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Thanks for posting NG transcript, Riverwalk. Not much from the Sgt. except that the autopsy is complete and they're still waiting on the report. Isn't that something they do immediately when the autopsy is completed? How long does it take LE to get the official report?

[Maelstrom5]

I pulled this quote from yesterdays thread. I wanted to keep the discussion current but felt it was worth a reply.

I think we sometimes read too much into simple things and over think them.

My daughter very sincerly said tonight that what is on that video is no different than the many times she had been be -bopping along and something caught her eye and she would get distracted.
It didn't mean she was afraid or worried at all.

I agree. When we first saw the video what caught everyone's first attention was how happy Sandra seemed to be. I think for most of us that ruled out the possibility that she had run away. When we reviewed the tape a number of times we noticed that Sandra looked to her right then made a change of direction.

Because we now know something horrible happened many now see aprehention, but I don't see worry of fear at all. What I see is a happy little girl who in the last two or three seconds of video hears something, possibly someone calling her name, and then she takes two steps in the direction of whatever/whoever caught her attention.

[aproudmom]

looks like they did take a grate off to me look leaning up against the AC until it is green
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03966.jpg
FBI flashlight in crawl space
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03967.jpg
I swear I thought it looked like a kitten or a puppy in her hands yesterday just by the way she is holding it..still does not look like gloves..but OK they say it could be
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03968.jpg
still looks like a ladder to me not a canoe
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03980.jpg


I just think when she looks over towards her house was because there is a carport there which I am sure could be their door they use so maybe she was not heading home at this time,
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=sccamsonhouse.jpg
Sandra
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=250sandrasurveillence1.jpg


anyone know how long they stayed at the farm??did they search it for clues it looks so big?[/B[B]] #43 who's home was that Slayters? or CS http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=scsearchslayter1.jpg

K cant see anymore..thanks to the one that posted the album

[aproudmom]

Thanks for posting NG transcript, Riverwalk. Not much from the Sgt. except that the autopsy is complete and they're still waiting on the report. Isn't that something they do immediately when the autopsy is completed? How long does it take LE to get the official report?

4 to 6 weeks for toxicology

[n/t]

I pulled this quote from yesterdays thread. I wanted to keep the discussion current but felt it was worth a reply.



I agree. When we first saw the video what caught everyone's first attention was how happy Sandra seemed to be. I think for most of us that ruled out the possibility that she had run away. When we reviewed the tape a number of times we noticed that Sandra looked to her right then made a change of direction.

Because we now know something horrible happened many now see aprehention, but I don't see worry of fear at all. What I see is a happy little girl who in the last two or three seconds of video hears something, possibly someone calling her name, and then she takes two steps in the direction of whatever/whoever caught her attention.


That's the big question, Peter. Who or what caught her attention? This was supposedly the last video we see of her. We don't see her coming back towards the home....so when she walked away from her porch, where did she go? Where is the Church? Was there a way to get to the Church from where she was headed without being caught on the video camera? Did she get in a car? We just don't know. I heard on HLN that the tape was edited so there could be other evidence that we haven't seen. Perhaps a car or a person.

[n/t]

4 to 6 weeks for toxicology

Thank you mom. I'm wondering if the COD was undetermined. Why the need for toxicology? Is that always done in murder cases? I know they had to in Caylee Anthony's case but I'm wondering if they had COD , wouldn't that be sufficient in Sandra's case?

[n/t]

Why would they be looking for gloves?:confused:

[aproudmom]

I pulled this quote from yesterdays thread. I wanted to keep the discussion current but felt it was worth a reply.



I agree. When we first saw the video what caught everyone's first attention was how happy Sandra seemed to be. I think for most of us that ruled out the possibility that she had run away. When we reviewed the tape a number of times we noticed that Sandra looked to her right then made a change of direction.

Because we now know something horrible happened many now see aprehention, but I don't see worry of fear at all. What I see is a happy little girl who in the last two or three seconds of video hears something, possibly someone calling her name, and then she takes two steps in the direction of whatever/whoever caught her attention.

I agree she did not look scared and as I was looking at still pics the carport is were she looks over maybe they use a side door he has the cameras no where near the carport both are on front..I also think we know she had her earrings in when she keeps pushing her hair away I know my hair gets caught in dangle earrings..
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=sandra2july2.jpg

[aproudmom]

Thank you mom. I'm wondering if the COD was undetermined. Why the need for toxicology? Is that always done in murder cases? I know they had to in Caylee Anthony's case but I'm wondering if they had COD , wouldn't that be sufficient in Sandra's case?

This is JMO I think they already know just will not say yet..if there was trauma or strangulation they can more than likely see that with in a hour per Dr. Baden if not then they would wait for tox to come back..and they can ask for a rush on it if they needed to..for one I do not think they need that to give the COD...This is just my opinion..we will know with in a week or 2 if not by LE it will get leaked her body will be given to the family I would say by the first of the week if not sooner..they can sign the DC and add to it later they know it is a homicide already...I think they are keeping that from the public right now....jmo

[aproudmom]

POI early on just looking backThen kinda backed off the whole POI so I guess we dont know what they are...seems to me they are looking at one more than the others..JMO

Chris S. Arrested for hindering their seach let out. his home was checked again the night her body was found a total of 3 that I know of
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=scquestionedChrisSinclair.jpg

Frank W he was the one that kissed her 2 yrs ago...ugh dont like this pic no matter what.his hands not in good places..:angry:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=SandraHomesearched.jpg

David Slayter March 29, 2009 #43 she went bowling,played games,did chores for them
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=s007.jpg

Pastor Lawless
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03982.jpg

Alot of pics on here
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=s007.jpg

K gonna grab a bite to eat are they having any press conf. today??

[~jomomma~]

i just don't see anything strange about the video of Sandra.

maybe a dog was barking or maybe she heard a kid playing when she looks over. when she stops skipping and walks, i don't think she looked
scared or anything. her arm was still swinging like a happy kid does.

do you guys see her looking to her right? i'm not seeing that. i see her glance quick to her left. :confused:

[n/t]

i just don't see anything strange about the video of Sandra.

maybe a dog was barking or maybe she heard a kid playing when she looks over. when she stops skipping and walks, i don't think she looked
scared or anything. her arm was still swinging like a happy kid does.

do you guys see her looking to her right? i'm not seeing that. i see her glance quick to her left. :confused:

I see her looking to her left towards her porch.

[aproudmom]

I seen they had to take mom and grandma to hospital the other night:crying:


http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Family%20plans%20public%20memorial%20service%20%20 %20=&page_label=home&id=2277094-Family+plans+public+memorial+service++&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

The family of Sandra Cantu plans a public memorial service once the coroner is finished with the autopsy on the slain 8-year-old.

[doradoll]

Why would they be looking for gloves?:confused:

maybe they weren't looking for gloves

maybe as they were searching, they shined their lights into the crawl space, spotted something, dug in, found it and said "I got it"

they could mean nothing, IMO....I can see someone using the gloves to get under there to work on something and then taking them off to have more dexterity and forgetting them...not wanting to crawl back in ??

[kitty1182]

Good morning..
My prayers for this family........Hoping for an arrest today..

[aproudmom]

I see her looking to her left towards her porch.

did you see were they park it is at the side of the home to me it looked like she glanced over towards the carport and then just went on down like she saw someone she knew..I don't think she was heading for that front door but JMO..and we really have not got a time on that yet have we so we don't know if it was after the first friends or second friends unless I missed it yesterday have not got caught up yet...

I still can not understand why the 2 cameras on the front since they park on the side under the carport or did he have one there also..if not anyone could come around the back of the house and slash his tires again...he said he had problems with a person with a cat he trapped right???

also n/t this tells me they know the CODSandra's cause of death has not been revealed. An autopsy has been completed, said Les Garcia, a spokesman for the San Joaquin County coroner's office

The pending I am not so sure they need the tox to come back they say it has been done but not revealed..I really hate to say this but I think she was strangled that is the most common cause of death in children homicide..not usually drugged..ugh sorry but just think they know and there are reasons they are not releasing it..jmo of course and heck I am far from a expert...

[Texas48]

I seen they had to take mom and grandma to hospital the other night:crying:


http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Family%20plans%20public%20memorial%20service%20%20 %20=&page_label=home&id=2277094-Family+plans+public+memorial+service++&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

The family of Sandra Cantu plans a public memorial service once the coroner is finished with the autopsy on the slain 8-year-old.Oh My Goodness...My heart goes out to this family..Heartbreaking to watch the video of little Sandra skipping along..not a care in the world. There are NO words.

[PBJMOM4]

maybe they weren't looking for gloves

maybe as they were searching, they shined their lights into the crawl space, spotted something, dug in, found it and said "I got it"

they could mean nothing, IMO....I can see someone using the gloves to get under there to work on something and then taking them off to have more dexterity and forgetting them...not wanting to crawl back in ??

Did anyone hear that while digging under the church they found a glove but also a papertowel? I thought I heard that on Nancy Grace, but not sure.

[psbperu]

Thanks for all the links this a.m.

Understand that video of her skipping along has been edited. Therefore if we are not seeing it in its entirety...LE has a good reason for not wanting the public to see it all.

About the crawl space & the "I found it", maybe they could see "something" thru the grate...and decided not to compromise the grate & opening..and that is why the dig.

One poster mentioned recently that an old lady could manage a 50 lb. rolling suitcase....have to disagree. I'm an old lady (physical therapist), still strong & I would have difficulty managing the bag. Especially getting it in & out of a car. But that is me, maybe someone else wouldn't.

Truly appreciate the posters on the daily threads, you are to be commended for the respect that you have not only shown the family but each other. Thank you.

[GentleBreeze]

did you see were they park it is at the side of the home to me it looked like she glanced over towards the carport and then just went on down like she saw someone she knew..I don't think she was heading for that front door but JMO..and we really have not got a time on that yet have we so we don't know if it was after the first friends or second friends unless I missed it yesterday have not got caught up yet...

I still can not understand why the 2 cameras on the front since they park on the side under the carport or did he have one there also..if not anyone could come around the back of the house and slash his tires again...he said he had problems with a person with a cat he trapped right???

also n/t this tells me they know the CODSandra's cause of death has not been revealed. An autopsy has been completed, said Les Garcia, a spokesman for the San Joaquin County coroner's office

The pending I am not so sure they need the tox to come back they say it has been done but not revealed..I really hate to say this but I think she was strangled that is the most common cause of death in children homicide..not usually drugged..ugh sorry but just think they know and there are reasons they are not releasing it..jmo of course and heck I am far from a expert...

I agree, they already do know COD and they are just using the technicality that the autopsy report will not be complete until the toxicology report comes back to the ME so they can finalize their official paper document. I suspect that none of them expect to find any adverse toxicology results.

The ME will tell them right then and there what they think the COD is right after the autopsy. I am even more hopeful than I was since they found that she was still wearing her earrings. Maybe her body yielded more clues.

In other cases this has been used by LE to keep what they know about COD secret from the press. Even though an autopsy is done immediately after the deceased is found the official report takes weeks for the ME to sign off on. That gives LE enough time to be able to be the only ones that knows COD and what type of weapon, if any, they need to be looking for....

imo

[aproudmom]

In this video the grandpa said he left for work after picking her up from school..I think the media gets stuff wrong and just puts stuff out to sale a paper..I had never heard he went to work and it just came out of his mouth not the medias...

http://kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/979/reftab/36/t/Family-of-Sandra-Cantu-Visits-Growing-Memorial-Outside-Home/Default.aspx

The grandfather took Sandra to school every morning and picked her up every afternoon. The day she went missing he says she left his car and said, “Bye grandpa.” He went to work and never saw her again.

this poor family they are donating the stuffed animals to other children so they wanted to get them yesterday since it had started raining:crying:

I think a few other families could learn a lot from this family they appreciate everything.JMO

OK that was a tough one to listen to..

[sofiesmom]

4 to 6 weeks for toxicology
Oh, I hope we don't forget Sandra in those four or so weeks. I'll for sure be here, not just lurking as I have been throughout this case. I haven't been able to keep up as much as I should have.

:rose: for Sandra and her family

[GentleBreeze]

So LE thinks that the luggage was dumped from another location from where it was found. Is there a sloped area where they could have parked their car and rolled the luaaged into the pond?

I think they think it was dumped in the same irrigation pond but it was not in the same place in the pond because when the workers found it they pulled it over to the side of the pond and called LE.

I am sure they have told LE exactly where the suitcase was floating when they first saw it.

imo

[CC I See]

Thanks for all the links this a.m.

Understand that video of her skipping along has been edited. Therefore if we are not seeing it in its entirety...LE has a good reason for not wanting the public to see it all.

About the crawl space & the "I found it", maybe they could see "something" thru the grate...and decided not to compromise the grate & opening..and that is why the dig.

One poster mentioned recently that an old lady could manage a 50 lb. rolling suitcase....have to disagree. I'm an old lady (physical therapist), still strong & I would have difficulty managing the bag. Especially getting it in & out of a car. But that is me, maybe someone else wouldn't.

Truly appreciate the posters on the daily threads, you are to be commended for the respect that you have not only shown the family but each other. Thank you.

Because of its bulk, it would be hard to get into a vehicle. If a person could not lift it, it would need to be rolled up and into the vehicle.

I have not ruled out that Sandra may have been alive when she was placed in the vehicle. She may have been told that she was going to make a quick trip somewhere like to the store and got into the vehicle willingly. Then the perpetrator took her to a remote location to kill her. The suitcase would have had to be in the vehicle and could have been planned ahead of time.

My thinking here is if there was no sexual assault that the killer did so because Sandra knew something and he wanted to keep it quiet. It could be about a previous assault or something just as incriminating.

[aproudmom]

1/The family wants to thank everyone.

2/they want to donate all the stuffed animals they ask if the city could remove/store them since rain was coming in and wanted them donated to several organizations in the next few days in Memory of Sandra

3/The family is asking for help to take down all the missing posters and to please remove them from vehicles.

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/972/reftab/36/t/Police-Still-Focusing-on-No-Specific-Person-in-Search-for-Sandra-Cantu-s-Killer/Default.aspx

video on side
Tracy PD talks about Sandra Cantu's families request

My gosh I have never seen so many balloons and stuffed animals Easter baskets..this little girl has touched so many:crying:

[kitty1182]

God bless this family.....This Sunday is the day she would have probally had her new Easter dress for church, then hunt eggs, but instead some sorry sob took that away from her....
I am praying hard for an arrest, SOON!!!!

My heart hurts for this family, especially the mother....

[CC I See]

God bless this family.....This Sunday is the day she would have probally had her new Easter dress for church, then hunt eggs, but instead some sorry sob took that away from her....
I am praying hard for an arrest, SOON!!!! My heart hurts for this family, especially the mother....

This whole case has been horrible for the family and everyone connected to it. This is why I pray that LE makes a quick arrest and justice is served. If that is ever possible, that is.

[PBJMOM4]

Has the shed on the church property been searched yet? I'm still thinking there was something in or on that luggage that brought LE to that church or pastor's home shortly after the PC.

I also think there is some relevence to paper towel they found stated on NG, why else would they mention it? I dunno...I hope an arrest is made soon not only for the family but for the entire community.

[Barbara fl.]

I think they think it was dumped in the same irrigation pond but it was not in the same place in the pond because when the workers found it they pulled it over to the side of the pond and called LE.

I am sure they have told LE exactly where the suitcase was floating when they first saw it.

imo



Good morning,


Well, one thing is for sure...the person who did this is right from that area....it is not anyone who was just passing thru....the person had to know that area well enough to know they wouldn't be seen dumping that bag.....I have a good feeling that this case will be solved real soon....

[Barbara fl.]

Has the shed on the church property been searched yet? I'm still thinking there was something in or on that luggage that brought LE to that church or pastor's home shortly after the PC.

I also think there is some relevence to paper towel they found stated on NG, why else would they mention it? I dunno...I hope an arrest is made soon not only for the family but for the entire community.


What i have understood about the bag was that it was to be in a church rummage sale, that it was donated for the sale.....if that's true they should be able to track it back to someone who is connected to the church.....because the rummage sale hadn't taken place yet....

I only heard bits and pieces about this, so I cannot confirm it or say that it is true in anyway.....

[Barbara fl.]

What is so deeply disturbing is that we have 3 cases going on at the same exact time regarding little girls.....makes one wonder what is this world coming to?

Chilren are being murdered by their own mother.....others while they are out playing....others while they sleep in their own beds.....where and with whom are our children safe?


Makes me sick to my stomach.....

[Barbara fl.]

The story in the media was the suitcase was in the back of a car, waiting to be donated to the rummage sale when someone stole it. It was in the car with other items, and apparently they weren't taken. It hasn't been reported where the car was when the item was stolen.

There seems to be no real indication this is actually the suitcase used - LE seems to have dropped this line of investigation and still says it's unclear where the suitcase came from.

They are also refusing to tell what brand it is or give any information that would help the public recognize it, for whatever reason.


Thank you for clarifying that for me...I knew I had heard about a suitcase for a church rummage sale but I hadn't heard too much after that....thanks again...

[PBJMOM4]

What i have understood about the bag was that it was to be in a church rummage sale, that it was donated for the sale.....if that's true they should be able to track it back to someone who is connected to the church.....because the rummage sale hadn't taken place yet....

I only heard bits and pieces about this, so I cannot confirm it or say that it is true in anyway.....

Yes, I heard this too. LE also said there was "no report filed" on missing luggage, so I'm curious as to WHY the luggage owner didn't file some kind of report. I wouldn't care if someone "took" something I was getting rid of anyway, but if they {PERP} was IN MY CAR taking whatever they wanted, I think I would have filed a report anyway.

[StickyBeak]

Heartbreaking interview this morning on Today Show. Sandra Mom and Aunt, poor Mother just could hardly breathe let alone speak.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

Very chilling warning coming from LE to keep very close eye on your children, stay in groups, do not let them out alone. I am wondering perhaps they are not releasing COD as to not create panic in the town as to a suspect in the area. Horrible JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Good morning,


Well, one thing is for sure...the person who did this is right from that area....it is not anyone who was just passing thru....the person had to know that area well enough to know they wouldn't be seen dumping that bag.....I have a good feeling that this case will be solved real soon....

I agree, Barb, they have to be from that area and knew of this place.

I watched the video of the reporter as he retraced the trip starting at the MHP and there is just no way the perp didn't know where they were going.

imo

[kitty1182]

Heartbreaking interview this morning on Today Show. Sandra Mom and Aunt, poor Mother just could hardly breathe let alone speak.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

Very chilling warning coming from LE to keep very close eye on your children, stay in groups, do not let them out alone. I am wondering perhaps they are not releasing COD as to not create panic in the town as to a suspect in the area. Horrible JMO

OMG, that poor mother:sad:

[grammie/va]

1/The family wants to thank everyone.

2/they want to donate all the stuffed animals they ask if the city could remove/store them since rain was coming in and wanted them donated to several organizations in the next few days in Memory of Sandra

3/The family is asking for help to take down all the missing posters and to please remove them from vehicles.

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/972/reftab/36/t/Police-Still-Focusing-on-No-Specific-Person-in-Search-for-Sandra-Cantu-s-Killer/Default.aspx

video on side
Tracy PD talks about Sandra Cantu's families request

My gosh I have never seen so many balloons and stuffed animals Easter baskets..this little girl has touched so many:crying:

JUST WOW !!! Just checking in as I am babysitting my 15 month grandson and he is napping. We have been following some cases that definately could learn some manners and ways to appreciate things from this family. May God bless this family and keep them close to him through the next weeks and months.

[Jim]

A news report said it might be some guy with a tattoo under his eye.
I goggle it and there was too many reports.

[GentleBreeze]

What is so deeply disturbing is that we have 3 cases going on at the same exact time regarding little girls.....makes one wonder what is this world coming to?

Chilren are being murdered by their own mother.....others while they are out playing....others while they sleep in their own beds.....where and with whom are our children safe?


Makes me sick to my stomach.....

And not only those tragic three but we see tragic loss of children's lives it seems almost daily now and yes, I agree, many are being robbed of precious life by their own mothers or fathers.

Some of our children it seems are under seige............with the enemy within their own midst and the enemy predator that slithers around, waiting to strike another innocent child.

It not only makes me want to hurl but makes me realize so many of our young children are at high risk of being harmed and it just never seems to end. Like I have stated before imo, it is a never ending trail of tears.:crying:

imo

[aproudmom]

one hour news special on tonight about Sandra 9pm Thursday
4/9/2008

there is a box on the site it says the above with her pic on it I am sure it will be streamed live also just be sure and check for time differences.

http://kron4.com/

I have read so many reports and a lot are not the same go figure..anyway seems like the toxicology may be more important than I thought did someone say they put chemicals in those ponds it is like a run off IIRC so cow manure is in there..sorry don't know much about it..anyway..from what I have read I think they may have a COD but it is relevant to get further testing of tissue and toxicology which has to be sent off for the final autopsy report. I am not getting it word by word since so many are a little different..If anyone knows more It would be interesting to know what chemicals they use if any.

Sorry this is not easy for me to even type but I found it odd that they say they have a COD but have to wait for further testing which could take 4-6 weeks to come back.:confused: I just pray if there is chemicals it will not harm evidence I want this Monster or Monsters caught I also read they were testing dirt samples and vegetation I am thinking on the cars they have seized to see if they can match something up so many answers and no questions I just pray someone pays for this crime..BTW her uncle said he is catholic and he is suppose to forgive but he will never forgive this monster and wants the death penalty.

[singingbird]

Why would they be looking for gloves?:confused:

I personally believe they were told about the gloves. I also believe they were in "communication" with "someone" all through this.

[Tornado]

Good morning to all-

I agree that we need to pray for an arrest of this monster today.
I wanted to ask if we know who lives in the home that Sandra was walking by in the video- I don't think that I see fear in her actions but what I see is Sandra skipping along thinking that she is alone and then realizing that she is not. IMO

[GentleBreeze]

OMG, that poor mother:sad:

OMG! She did not have to say a word. The pain and great loss is written all over her face. I cried through the entire interview.

God Bless this family and give them strength to endure the dark days ahead of them without their beautiful, Sandra.:rose:

imo

[aproudmom]

I had bought a trailer sometime ago in Mt Pocono, PA. Every year you would get passes and quests passes. We have a security booth there, where you had to show them your pass which was in different colors every year. When arriving security took down your license plate then they gave you a large pass which was displayed on your car. When you left, maybe to go shopping they would give you bb passes (be back) passes. When you returned from shopping you had to wait on line again to sign in. Oh yeah also you could have only a certain amount of guests at your home at a time. But if you wanted lets say additional quests they had to pay extra and they could not park there car in front of your home. I wonder if this procedure exists there? Several friends of mine live in another mobile park and they also has a security booth and they live there year round.

that sounds like a good idea for all places I sure would like to see that here at the park I live in. I think we have over 200 homes and kids everywhere basketball courts and workout room and pool so a lot of places kids go alone..I do not even let my 13yr old son go play basketball alone..to many pervs out there..I actually put my kids in karate when they were younger..they say I am way to protective..no just never wanted to have to go through what all these families are going through..

[singingbird]

Heartbreaking interview this morning on Today Show. Sandra Mom and Aunt, poor Mother just could hardly breathe let alone speak.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

Very chilling warning coming from LE to keep very close eye on your children, stay in groups, do not let them out alone. I am wondering perhaps they are not releasing COD as to not create panic in the town as to a suspect in the area. Horrible JMO

I personally believe that they keep telling everyone to watch their children, stay in groups etc. because they are worried this is going to happen again very soon.

[kitty1182]

OMG! She did not have to say a word. The pain and great loss is written all over her face. I cried through the entire interview.

God Bless this family and give them strength to endure the dark days ahead of them without their beautiful, Sandra.:rose:

imo

I noticed they said the pastor hasn't spoke to them..I would think he would have been and talked to them..:confused:

[texasgal]

A couple of thoughts .. sorry if they have been discussed.

1. No obvious signs of trauma could mean that the COD is drowning.. ick. Would mean she was still alive when she went into the suitcase and the pond.

2. The mention of "the weapon" could be bad reporting.

Reporter asks. "Has a murder weapon been identified"
Police say "No"
Reporter writes "No murder weapon found"
Then it ends up in the paper as "The murder weapon hasn't been found yet."
Not at all what the spokesman said .. and there may not BE a weapon.

3. The "I found it" or "I got it" comment. I agree, it was probably nothing more than something they saw as possible evidence that was hard to reach, and when he reached it, said "I found it" or whatever.
Think about how many times a day you say things that if someone doesn't know the entire conversation or all the info, could misconstrue it a thousand ways.

4. The hooded guy in the video .. um .. just freakin' weird!

5. The porn ring .. sick #$^##&$( 's ... where DO crime scene photo's come from? We're probably looking at possible LE involvement at some level.

All for now

Sandra ... :rose:

[kitty1182]

I personally believe that they keep telling everyone to watch their children, stay in groups etc. because they are worried this is going to happen again very soon.

Hello and Welcome..

I think they know who did this and are just making sure all in is order before making the arrest..

[singingbird]

A news report said it might be some guy with a tattoo under his eye.
I goggle it and there was too many reports.

thanks for that information, Jim, I will try to find it

[aproudmom]

What is so deeply disturbing is that we have 3 cases going on at the same exact time regarding little girls.....makes one wonder what is this world coming to?

Chilren are being murdered by their own mother.....others while they are out playing....others while they sleep in their own beds.....where and with whom are our children safe?


Makes me sick to my stomach.....

sad isn't it..I see one going cold real soon if your talking about Haleigh, I guess we know Caylee and Sandra are little angels playing in heaven..Haleigh has been missing for 59 days:crying:

[KKKKKKatie]

I noticed they said the pastor hasn't spoke to them..I would think he would have been and talked to them..:confused:

This makes me think that they were not members of his church?? Do we know if they were?

[singingbird]

Hello and Welcome..

I think they know who did this and are just making sure all in is order before making the arrest..

hi Kitty-

I am thinking they have a very good idea "what this is all about". I believe they have been receiving information from the beginning from "someone, somehow". I think our "killer/killers" are communicating in some way.

I also do not believe this is the "first time"; nor will it be the last if they don't hurry up and get this person / people. And IF they are thinking this, I totally agree with them.

[titanfan217]

Someone on JVM said that they had a fax and it seems to confirm that the luggage was the one connected with the church.

There was no confirmation where the luggage was taken from.

And people tended to agree that it probably would not have been reported as stolen especially if it was headed to a rummage sale.

[kitty1182]

This makes me think that they were not members of his church?? Do we know if they were?

Seems as if they said they only knew him by Sandra playing at his house, but you would think the pastor that lives right there near them, would go and have prayer or something with them:confused:

[aproudmom]

I think they know it could. Everyone everywhere should be vigilant all the time I think. People have to live, though. Kids have to goto school. None of us live in a vacuum. My heart is so aching. This poor Mother and family. I keep her close in my prayers.

Me to sounded like her and the grandma are not doing well I pray they will see Justice for their baby you can tell grandpa and the Uncle are about to blow could you imagine living in that park and not knowing if a monster that killed your daughter could be someone you trusted..I wish someone would pay for the Ritz for them..shame on me I don't care the Anthony's got a 3 day trip to the Ritz courtesy of ABC IIRC..OR I guess they may just want to stay there. sounds like mom and grandma are pretty much sedated from what grandpa said...I will keep them in my prayers..:crying:

[5boxersmom]

The mother broke my heart. :rose:

So nice of them to do that with the memorial. I am sure what they are doing with it will make many kids happy.

I hope there is arrest today.

[KKKKKKatie]

Seems as if they said they only knew him by Sandra playing at his house, but you would think the pastor that lives right there near them, would go and have prayer or something with them:confused:

Sounds like maybe LE had kept him pretty busy??? Otherwise I don't know why he wouldn't make a call?

[Maelstrom5]

Heartbreaking interview this morning on Today Show. Sandra Mom and Aunt, poor Mother just could hardly breathe let alone speak.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

Very chilling warning coming from LE to keep very close eye on your children, stay in groups, do not let them out alone. I am wondering perhaps they are not releasing COD as to not create panic in the town as to a suspect in the area. Horrible JMO

TY for the link StickyBeak, it was heartbreaking. So often we see a mother or father come on TV and cry fake tears only to later find out they committed the crime; the difference here was noticeable.

[aproudmom]

Someone on JVM said that they had a fax and it seems to confirm that the luggage was the one connected with the church.

There was no confirmation where the luggage was taken from.

And people tended to agree that it probably would not have been reported as stolen especially if it was headed to a rummage sale.

I also heard that..he seems to kinda back off those questions or is it just me you know they don't want someone to know what they have or know..so wonder if they ask the women and the man that was on camera the other day saying it had been stolen..surely they have..if not they need to talk to the guy not saying anything but he was making it clear that Pastor did not do anything,...all jmo

[kitty1182]

Sounds like maybe LE had kept him pretty busy??? Otherwise I don't know why he wouldn't make a call?

I guess he has been too busy..Looks like he would have spoken to them while she was missing....
I so hope and pray there is an arrest of the person or persons who did this.....
That poor mother:sad:

[GentleBreeze]

I noticed they said the pastor hasn't spoke to them..I would think he would have been and talked to them..:confused:

Strange isn't it? And iirc, yesterday someone linked an article stating that the family had attended that church.

So why wouldn't he be the first one there to give love, comfort and support? And even if he is not their Pastor, since his church sat 200 yds away from the MHP and his granddaughter had played with Sandra then why wouldn't he come there to speak with the grieving family?

Before I saw him on the video, I thought surely he had nothing to do with this, but after watching his mannerisms yesterday I just get a creepy feeling he is hiding something.

imo

[KKKKKKatie]

I guess he has been too busy..Looks like he would have spoken to them while she was missing....
I so hope and pray there is an arrest of the person or persons who did this.....
That poor mother:sad:


Heartbreaking :sad:

Sure shows us what a truly grieving mother looks like doesn't it :sad:

[texasgal]

texasgal, It's been my understanding that if someone has been murdered there's always a weapon. Whether it's water (drowning) or the killer's bare hands. Was a serial killer yrs ago who's weapon of choice was his shoelace.

Which kinda speaks to my point .. I don't think we are necessarily looking for a "weapon" in the conventional sense. Many people hear weapon and think gun, or an object of somekind. May not be the case here.

[kitty1182]

Strange isn't it? And iirc, yesterday someone linked an article stating that the family had attended that church.

So why wouldn't he be the first one there to give love, comfort and support? And even if he is not their Pastor, since his church sat 200 yds away from the MHP and his granddaughter had played with Sandra then why wouldn't he come there to speak with the grieving family?

Before I saw him on the video, I thought surely he had nothing to do with this, but after watching his mannerisms yesterday I just get a creepy feeling he is hiding something.

imo

I agree, he should have been the first one there to comfort and pray with this family, whether they were members or not..

[5boxersmom]

Strange isn't it? And iirc, yesterday someone linked an article stating that the family had attended that church.

So why wouldn't he be the first one there to give love, comfort and support? And even if he is not their Pastor, since his church sat 200 yds away from the MHP and his granddaughter had played with Sandra then why wouldn't he come there to speak with the grieving family?

Before I saw him on the video, I thought surely he had nothing to do with this, but after watching his mannerisms yesterday I just get a creepy feeling he is hiding something.

imo


It is strange.

If it is the Pastor then I don't believe that Sandra is his first victim. He is in his 70's. It is hard to tell where this could lead.

imo

[kitty1182]

Heartbreaking :sad:

Sure shows us what a truly grieving mother looks like doesn't it :sad:

You are so right...The difference between her and CA is like night and day.....
God bless this grieving mother....

[kitty1182]

Well since she spent so much time at their house you would think they'd have the courtesy to at least come and offer support, offer a kind word or something.

Since they're investigating him in her murder, I can kind of see why the Mother might not be able to speak with him. In that circumstance I don't think I could. I'm pretty sure I could not. Maybe they can't either, even if he's not guilty of any wrondoing. I mean FBI search warrants and all. eek! That would preclude condolences I would imagine.
If I was suspected, or if I was Sandra'a Mother I'd let that one go since FBI has him in their investigation as a suspect (and we know they do)

Oh, I agree..Just wonder why he didn't even speak to them before she was found and offer some support.Very strange to me.....

[GentleBreeze]

It is strange.

If it is the Pastor then I don't believe that Sandra is his first victim. He is in his 70's. It is hard to tell where this could lead.

imo

I really do hope and pray it is not him. With him being a Pastor there for thirty years one would think that he has given comfort and not the type to take it away but we never know these days.

I cant put my finger on why I felt unnerved when I saw him...just a gut feeling, I guess and it is probably just that but I also couldn't help but notice when they were looking for forensic evidence in his Cadillac that Sandra could have been placed in that spacious trunk.

imo

[singingbird]

my bold.

I agree, singingbird, I have thought that from the moment I read about the tip re the boat, (boat~water, probably a clue in the suitcase as well). Many criminals enjoy the publicity and attention, a good number of arsonists are found at the scene where fires are being put out, murderers attend funerals, etc.


thanks for posting that lizzie. I was a bit hesitant to say these things for fear people would think I am crazy. I am glad someone else believes this could be happening. Personally, I have no doubts in my mind this is going on and has been from the beginning

[Maelstrom5]

Right but I also believe it depends on the person. Everyone's different. Also, they found Sandra relatively fast in about 10 days. That's a real shock. As opposed to a child that's been missing for months or even years. prolonged periods of time the mind has time to adjust.

You are correct I was not referring to long time missing children but of parents who go on the news right after the fact. The Murder of 12 year old Karissa Boudreau came to mind, maybe because of the family’s decision to send the stuffed toys to hospitals, police, and fire stations.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=143252708&albumID=1567998&imageID=16284864

[GentleBreeze]

Oh, I agree..Just wonder why he didn't even speak to them before she was found and offer some support.Very strange to me.....

I still think it is strange behavior. Everyone's mobile home has been checked according to the grandfather and I bet you a lot of those people have been at Sandra's home from day one, offering comfort.

His wife said they even understood why their house was searched so I just don't see him using that as an excuse not to come. LE has never said he is a suspect.

I could possibly understand it now since they have searched his home again and searched his church but early on? It just seems to be counter opposing of what a Pastor that knew Sandra personally would do, imo.

From the way that the Aunt stated it they haven't seen the Pastor since all this began. Odd very odd imo.

imo

[5boxersmom]

I really do hope and pray it is not him. With him being a Pastor there for thirty years one would think that he has given comfort and not the type to take it away but we never know these days.

I cant put my finger on why I felt unnerved when I saw him...just a gut feeling, I guess and it is probably just that but I also couldn't help but notice when they were looking for forensic evidence in his Cadillac that Sandra could have been placed in that spacious trunk.

imo

ITA. My hinky meter also goes off when I see him. I also hope it is not him.

Is the presser at 1:30 pm eastern?

imo

[kitty1182]

When Sandra went missing, before calling the police....did she go to the Pastor's house and inquire about Sandra or does anyone know? Seems to me ...she would have went to EVERY single home...and asked.

Don't know, but imo it's the pastor's place to walk across the street and offer support and prayers, whether they went to church or not when this child was reported missing..She did play at the pastor's house with his granddaughter so he knew them...
I just find it very odd he didn't offer to pray with this family...:confused:
My dad was a preacher, he would have been the first one to the house..

[aproudmom]

I had a stalker for about 12 yrs. He knew who we were but we couldn't know who he was. He threatened to murder my husband and myself and he threatened to murder our children. So I've got an idea what it is to be terrorized. I once lost 16#'s in 4 days and I was only 110 to start with. In those 12 yrs we had to go on with life and to find a way to put it away from us. You can't live in fear even if you are being aware. I truely believe fear could kill a person if you allow it to. My stalker was a cop. You just can't know. Often it's the person you might least suspect. But no one can go around like that, you'd soon be nuts.

But this crime is so shocking. The shock to the family and especially the Mother is horrendous. Dangerous to her health in my opinion. I'm glad she has loving family with her. All we can do is pray for her and them and LE that they catch this evil.

OMG I am so sorry I had to go into hiding for over a year from my sons bio dad and still after 19 years later I still can not look at a gun since he held them to my head and shake when I saw him 2 years ago I was always looking over my back...so I do know what it is to be afraid I still to this day am scared of him killing me..I left my home 3 years ago when he moved back into town up and left it to be in town..and finally move a few hours away last year .I am so so sorry for what happened to you...

I know I have thought about the family and the pain and could not imagine the heartache they are feeling I wish I could reach out and give them a huge hug.All I could do is send them a card and letter.:crying:

[singingbird]

A news report said it might be some guy with a tattoo under his eye.
I goggle it and there was too many reports.

Jim,
I did "google" to look for this news report, but like you have said, "there was too many reports"

Can you tell me what you remember about
"a tattoo under his eye"

I would be very interested in a
Mark under an "eye"

[purplepoints]

Question, and thanks in advance for any answers.

IIRC it was said when the video was released that Sandra is seen leaving her house, etc, etc.

But, hasn't it been established that the video of Sandra was actually taken by cameras on her own trailer?

Is this correct: She is seen walking towards her own house, glances towards it, then keeps on going off camera?

[KKKKKKatie]

Morning KK, i remember reading that they were NOT members of that church. :seeya:

good morning to you too :seeya:

Thanks!

[kitty1182]

ITA. My hinky meter also goes off when I see him. I also hope it is not him.

Is the presser at 1:30 pm eastern?

imo

I hope it's not him either...
I haven't heard what time the presser is..

[aproudmom]

Don't know, but imo it's the pastor's place to walk across the street and offer support and prayers, whether they went to church or not when this child was reported missing..She did play at the pastor's house with his granddaughter so he knew them...
I just find it very odd he didn't offer to pray with this family...:confused:
My dad was a preacher, he would have been the first one to the house..

ITA with you kitty they knew her sister and her since they were baby's..and was at their home almost everyday she said..not a normal pastor IMO

[kitty1182]

Do we know for sure that they didn't extend any kind of support to the family in the first hours?

According to the other ministers in town, this is an odd church, separatist, and he is very rejecting of the community of other Christian ministers in the area.

I don't know that we can take it as a sign of guilt or unusual behavior for him to have kept to himself, if he did - but do we know he didn't reach out to them?

In other news, I think something needs to be done to help this mother so she doesn't have a catastrophic health crisis. There is a syndrome called "Broken Heart Syndrome" where otherwise healthy adults die from a crisis. On TV this morning she looked like it's possible she could die from her distress.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone so physically overcome two days after hearing heart breaking news. Prayers that she is able to find peace and healing.


From what I understand, the family didn't really know him, Sandra just played with the GD..
I am worried about this mother too.....My heart goes out to her.:sad:

[IlliniFan]

Don't know, but imo it's the pastor's place to walk across the street and offer support and prayers, whether they went to church or not when this child was reported missing..She did play at the pastor's house with his granddaughter so he knew them...
I just find it very odd he didn't offer to pray with this family...:confused:
My dad was a preacher, he would have been the first one to the house..

GM...Add me to the list that finds it very odd that the pastor did not go to see the Cantu family. In fact, I would think he would have been one of the first to comfort them. This is from experiences in my own life...

imo

[CC I See]

Seems as if they said they only knew him by Sandra playing at his house, but you would think the pastor that lives right there near them, would go and have prayer or something with them:confused:

...if he is under any suspicion, it would be better I would think if he stayed away from the family.

[aproudmom]

K got to jump over to watch the funeral for the 3 officers in PA I am a family of LE so I respect them and feel I need to watch..sorry O/T

I will be way behind now may have to jump back and forth..love to read everyone's wonderful post and hate to get so behind..going to try to open it up and have both pages up..well never mind it will be in a hour...

has anyone heard if Sandra's dad is still around or made any comments?

[kitty1182]

...if he is under any suspicion, it would be better I would think if he stayed away from the family.

I agree with that, I just haven't heard that he even offered any support before she was found...:confused:

[playnice]

Don't know, but imo it's the pastor's place to walk across the street and offer support and prayers, whether they went to church or not when this child was reported missing..She did play at the pastor's house with his granddaughter so he knew them...
I just find it very odd he didn't offer to pray with this family...:confused:
My dad was a preacher, he would have been the first one to the house..

Im not a preacher and if this was in my neighborhood I would be there offering my prayers and support for this family. You would think a preacher would be too if he hasnt whether they went to his church or not.

[happy2bme]

...if he is under any suspicion, it would be better I would think if he stayed away from the family.


Maybe now, but he could have went when she was first reported missing.jmo

[singingbird]

You're welcome. I think we may find more out there who were also hesitant. Usually I throw my ideas out for confirmation/rebuttal, but I agree this one seemed a bit off. Thanks for opening the door:smile:

I am sure there are more watching this and thinking the same things. Many times it is what is NOT said that says the MOST about something. I always keep my eyes open to hear the silence.

[aproudmom]

...if he is under any suspicion, it would be better I would think if he stayed away from the family.

he had since the 27th CC I could see him not now..sure they don't want to see him at this time..but before he was not a POI it was just Monday he was served and I know they say he is not a POI but they searched his home and church

[titanfan217]

Sounds like maybe LE had kept him pretty busy??? Otherwise I don't know why he wouldn't make a call?

And we don't know that he didn't while she was missing.

I do have a question about what his wife said. Didn't she say that they knew the girls since before they were born? I thought that sounded odd though maybe she meant they knew the family since before the girls were born.

Oh, to answer someone's question from last night. The reason I asked about the size of the town is that I have experience with small towns, but my definition is quite different. I grew up in a small town of 7000 (ironically called Metropolis) and have lived in even smaller ones.

[cutiepatootie61]

...if he is under any suspicion, it would be better I would think if he stayed away from the family.

Yes I agree after the fact of her body being discovered. However, there were 10 days that this family did not know where Sandra was or her well being. In those 10 days, you would think the pastor of the church within eyesight of the home, living in the same park, whose great granddaughter played with Sandra often would have paid this family a visit to lend support and prayer. Connie Lawless stated they know Sandra and her sister very well, her exact words were, "they're like our own children", this alone would have prompted a visit from this pastor, no? It is very suspicious that he did not make it a point to call on this family since this child went missing. moo

[Tornado]

So did any of the pastors in this community visit them? It could be a case of he thought they were members of another church and since this pastor did not know them as members of his church he did not want to over step the Cantu's personal preference. Just a thought since it seems to be there are more than one pastor and church in this area. IMO

[aproudmom]

thanks for posting that lizzie. I was a bit hesitant to say these things for fear people would think I am crazy. I am glad someone else believes this could be happening. Personally, I have no doubts in my mind this is going on and has been from the beginning

omg dont every be afraid to say anything we are all crazy by now.. actually all the posters so far have been so wonderful to post with not bashing..

[aproudmom]

So did any of the pastors in this community visit them? It could be a case of he thought they were members of another church and since this pastor did not know them as members of his church he did not want to over step the Cantu's personal preference. Just a thought since it seems to be there are more than one pastor and church in this area. IMO

I am not sure but there has been one at the vigils I am sure someone has...

[juliekan]

GM...Add me to the list that finds it very odd that the pastor did not go to see the Cantu family. In fact, I would think he would have been one of the first to comfort them. This is from experiences in my own life...

imo

Did I miss a link to this? I have not heard whether the pastor and his family DID or DID NOT talk to this family. TIA

[5boxersmom]

MSNBC reporting new activity at the Mobile Home Park. CSI vans.

[aproudmom]

And we don't know that he didn't while she was missing.

I do have a question about what his wife said. Didn't she say that they knew the girls since before they were born? I thought that sounded odd though maybe she meant they knew the family since before the girls were born.

Oh, to answer someone's question from last night. The reason I asked about the size of the town is that I have experience with small towns, but my definition is quite different. I grew up in a small town of 7000 (ironically called Metropolis) and have lived in even smaller ones.

yes she did and she said how could anyone abuse and murder this sweet little thing..I had not heard she was abused may be bad wording but stuck with me

[aproudmom]

MSNBC reporting new activity at the Mobile Home Park. CSI vans.

link please 5boxer watching a funeral

[kitty1182]

Did I miss a link to this? I have not heard whether the pastor and his family DID or DID NOT talk to this family. TIA

This is from the Today show this morning with the mother and the aunt on...If you listen, they speak as if they hardly know this man at all..

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729


They did not mention him speaking with them at any time.

[titanfan217]

yes she did and she said how could anyone abuse and murder this sweet little thing..I had not heard she was abused may be bad wording but stuck with me


I would consider murder the ultimate abuse.

[5boxersmom]

link please 5boxer watching a funeral

I don't have a link. Heard it on tv. Hoping they will update.

imo

[playnice]

MSNBC reporting new activity at the Mobile Home Park. CSI vans.

Wonder whose home they are at? Id say whoever is the POI even if LE doesnt confirm it.

[aproudmom]

Jim,
I did "google" to look for this news report, but like you have said, "there was too many reports"

Can you tell me what you remember about
"a tattoo under his eye"

I would be very interested in a
Mark under an "eye"

tear tattoo?

[juliekan]

This is from the Today show this morning with the mother and the aunt on...If you listen, they speak as if they hardly know this man at all..

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729


They did not mention him speaking with them at any time.

Thank you kitty. Yes, Angie says "I don't have any knowledge of him."

[bama__angel]

It is strange.

If it is the Pastor then I don't believe that Sandra is his first victim. He is in his 70's. It is hard to tell where this could lead.

imo



I am thinking along the same lines as you......This is why it has been difficult for me to think the Pastor was involved in any of this.......He has been at the same church since 1981.......Sandra surely wasnt his first victim, and almost 30 years is a long long time to keep such dark sick secrets......OTOH it bothers me that he hasnt been to see Sandra's family, and it bothers me that he wouldnt speak to the press yesterday......His wife did all the talking IIRC....I dont know what to think about this man.....I still believe that LE had to have some compelling evidence to support a sealed search warrant for his property and the church.....IMO

[aproudmom]

snipped.


I applaud him for his honesty. That had to have been a heart-wrenching realization.

ITA with ya lizzie

[juliekan]

tear tattoo?

that's what I thought of also.

from Urbandictionary:

A tear drop tattoo has had many different meanings. When they were first worn they meant that the wearer had been incarcerated and or killed someone while in or out of prison. As times have changed however, the teardrop has come to symbolize a friend or fellow gang member or family member that has died while the wearer is incarcerated.
Now however the teardrop seems to have become a fad, which granted has gotten people in trouble.
It has also been used as a gang identifier. If it was on the right it meant you were a Crip or part of the Folk Nation, on the left meant Blood or People's Nation.

[GentleBreeze]

yes she did and she said how could anyone abuse and murder this sweet little thing..I had not heard she was abused may be bad wording but stuck with me

I really don't think that is odd. Most of us believe that she was abused before she was murdered.

If her husband is involved and I hope not, I think this woman will be like BTK's wife and will turnout to be a very naive woman, who was hoodwinked by her husband.

I do think she cared about Sandra and has love in her heart for her.

Now HIM? I am not so sure.

imo

[bama__angel]

So did any of the pastors in this community visit them? It could be a case of he thought they were members of another church and since this pastor did not know them as members of his church he did not want to over step the Cantu's personal preference. Just a thought since it seems to be there are more than one pastor and church in this area. IMO



You have a point.....but what bothers me is by their own admission Sandra had been at their house many times to play with their great granddaughter........I would have reached out to Sandra's family for that reason only......

[kitty1182]

Thank you kitty. Yes, Angie says "I don't have any knowledge of him."

You are welcome..Kinda gives me a sick feeling about all of this..I hope I am wrong.

[kitty1182]

you have a point.....but what bothers me is by their own admission sandra had been at their house many times to play with their great granddaughter........i would have reached out to sandra's family for that reason only......

amen!!!!!!!!!!

[GentleBreeze]

Wonder whose home they are at? Id say whoever is the POI even if LE doesnt confirm it.

I hope it is to arrest someone.

imo

[dgfred]

There is a cloud of suspicion around the Pastor and his family. Has to be a valid reason for the judge to sign the SW. His attitude and non-actions also add to the suspicion. Maybe it is a family member or a person allowed to stay at the church, but so far it sure has been fishy in his direction.

[aproudmom]

I don't have a link. Heard it on tv. Hoping they will update.

imo

ok cool be sure and post if you hear more I am jumping back and forth TIA

[GentleBreeze]

You have a point.....but what bothers me is by their own admission Sandra had been at their house many times to play with their great granddaughter........I would have reached out to Sandra's family for that reason only......

Exactly and his wife said they thought of Sandra and her sister like one of their own children.

So they would come because of those feelings and relationship if nothing else.

imo

[aproudmom]

I hope it is to arrest someone.

imo

AMEN to that GB
Lets get this murderer off the streets

[Keegan]

I thought the pastor looked like a caged rabbit when they were trying to interview him. He never once looked into the camera. His eyes focused downward. This is a man that preaches for a living? Eye contact is important when speaking in public.

[KKKKKKatie]

new crime forum, just started 4 days ago come help populate:

http://doomsdaycrimeforum.org/forum/index.php

Happy where I am...thanks :seeya:

[aproudmom]

While I agree with the fact the pastor should have reached out to them...we really do not know if he did or did not speak to them earlier on.

I still would like to know if the mother went to his home to ask about Sandra when she went missing ....cause if my daughter played at someone's house all the time...I would want to know about him.

You know you just may be right cause we dont know..I hope they reached out to them, but like you said we do not know that they didnt

[aproudmom]

Happy where I am...thanks :seeya:

umm can we do that??KK

[KKKKKKatie]

umm can we do that??KK


Nope.....I don't think so :biggrin:

ETA....I'm not clicking on it....you never know

[GentleBreeze]

I hope so too GB.
Msnbc is waiting for Obama....so ill check other news stations.

The local media should be all over this if LE is back in the MHP!

Is there to be another PC today?

tia

[aproudmom]

new crime forum, just started 4 days ago come help populate:

http://doomsdaycrimeforum.org/forum/index.php

We love our IS forum..thanks though..hope it works out

[bama__angel]

While I agree with the fact the pastor should have reached out to them...we really do not know if he did or did not speak to them earlier on.

I still would like to know if the mother went to his home to ask about Sandra when she went missing ....cause if my daughter played at someone's house all the time...I would want to know about him.



Sandra's mother probably felt that she was safe at a pastor's home.....I believe the majaority of us would......He had been at that church for many years...We teach our children to be very careful with strangers...but we also teach them who they can trust......a 71 year old minister would probably be high on my list......but that is just me.....
IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

The local media should be all over this if LE is back in the MHP!

Is there to be another PC today?

tia

suppose to be at 10:30 pacific

[dgfred]

The local media should be all over this if LE is back in the MHP!

Is there to be another PC today?

tia

True on the media, but we don't want another one of those non-information PCs like the others so far :cursing: .

[CNTM]

We love our IS forum..thanks though..hope it works out

Yep, it just doesn't get any better than thIS!:thumbsup:

[GentleBreeze]

suppose to be at 10:30 pacific

Thanks, Katie.

[5boxersmom]

The local media should be all over this if LE is back in the MHP!

Is there to be another PC today?

tia

I know. The reporter was live standing outside the park it looked like. He reported about the activity. I don't know why MSNBC did not go back to him. :confused:


Beware of unknown links everyone.
imo

[kitty1182]

Sandra's mother probably felt that she was safe at a pastor's home.....I believe the majaority of us would......He had been at that church for many years...We teach our children to be very careful with strangers...but we also teach them who they can trust......a 71 year old minister would probably be high on my list......but that is just me.....
IMO

Same here..I would expect that a man of God would not give me worries...

[singingbird]

tear tattoo?

many people have tear tattoos below the eyes. Some have stars.
Marks can vary under eyes.

I would love to see some News "reports" about this. However, as Jim has stated "there are too many reports", but again, maybe there is not enough reports from the other side. We need some new news.
I doubt we are getting any from LE. But we can always hope we get some from "someone".

[aproudmom]

That's never been clear to me either. The video is supposed to be showing her leaving her own house, but unless Grandpa put the camera up on a neighbor's house or something, the angle doesn't make any sense.

it is on her home there is alot of pics and the family said it was their cameras they have 2 on the house..

[GentleBreeze]

True on the media, but we don't want another one of those non-information PCs like the others so far :cursing: .

That is true. I don't know why they are having them because they aren't divulging any of the information.

imo

[kitty1182]

suppose to be at 10:30 pacific

Thanks..Do you know the live link?

[kitty1182]

Yes, pressor today. When Sheneman signed off yesterday afternoon, he told reporters he'd see them today. Probably the regular 10:30a.m. & 3:30p.m. press conferences. Both of these should carry it live. It's 9:00a.m. California time right now.

http://www.kcra.com/video/19122684/index.html

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51552@kovr.dayport.com

I was looking for these..Thanks..

[KKKKKKatie]

many people have tear tattoos below the eyes. Some have stars.
Marks can vary under eyes.

I would love to see some News "reports" about this. However, as Jim has stated "there are too many reports", but again, maybe there is not enough reports from the other side. We need some new news.
I doubt we are getting any from LE. But we can always hope we get some from "someone".

I had always heard that the tear drop under the eye was a prison thing....how many ppl someone had killed? Anybody else heard of that?

[aproudmom]

many people have tear tattoos below the eyes. Some have stars.
Marks can vary under eyes.

I would love to see some News "reports" about this. However, as Jim has stated "there are too many reports", but again, maybe there is not enough reports from the other side. We need some new news.
I doubt we are getting any from LE. But we can always hope we get some from "someone".

does someone have a tear tattoo I know what it means in most cases
tear tat can be done if someone dies when your in jail or prison or if you have murdered someone..those are the only 2 I know of it was on a live trial I watched on here...who has a tat:confused:

[GentleBreeze]

Yes, pressor today. When Sheneman signed off yesterday afternoon, he told reporters he'd see them today. Probably the regular 10:30a.m. & 3:30p.m. press conferences. Both of these should carry it live. It's 9:00a.m. California time right now.

http://www.kcra.com/video/19122684/index.html

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51552@kovr.dayport.com

Thank you. I guess it is a good sign if LE is giving bi-daily PCs. It makes me think the investigators knows soon this case is going to burst wide open.

imo

[Stella Rose]

1/The family wants to thank everyone.

2/they want to donate all the stuffed animals they ask if the city could remove/store them since rain was coming in and wanted them donated to several organizations in the next few days in Memory of Sandra

3/The family is asking for help to take down all the missing posters and to please remove them from vehicles.

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/972/reftab/36/t/Police-Still-Focusing-on-No-Specific-Person-in-Search-for-Sandra-Cantu-s-Killer/Default.aspx

video on side
Tracy PD talks about Sandra Cantu's families request

My gosh I have never seen so many balloons and stuffed animals Easter baskets..this little girl has touched so many:crying:

Now THAT is how to handle a terrible situarion with dignity and class.
(I'm looking at you Anthony family)

[happy2bme]

I had always heard that the tear drop under the eye was a prison thing....how many ppl someone had killed? Anybody else heard of that?


Tear drop tattoo...possible meanings?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_tear_drop_tattoo_symbolize

[aproudmom]

I had always heard that the tear drop under the eye was a prison thing....how many ppl someone had killed? Anybody else heard of that?

I think it also means someone you love has passed away while your in prison I remember cause smiley from a trail had one and they talked about it..prison tat in most cases shows you have murdered someone also..

[GentleBreeze]

Not me in todays world...too many pastor's are creepy. If my child goes and plays at someone's home ...I would want to make sure I drop in....

Not to mention, still the mother's comment about Sandra being around the guy (the one who kissed her daughter in the mouth when she was 6) didn't make her "uncomfortable"..makes me a little concerned abou the mother.....I have said this before...I hope I am wrong wrong wrong..but something with the mother..isnt sitting well with me....
PRAYING I am wrong...and I have to apologize....just odd no one has been Ruled out as a suspect.

I thought the mother reported it to police when the kissing happened to her 6 year old daughter.

I think this mother's world has been shattered by some POS murdering her baby child. Her genuine grief is so gut wrenching and obvious. This is no Casey Anthony or Susan Smith type of mother...........this is a mother who has lost what is precious to her.

Many people in all professions are creepy.


imo

[dgfred]

I had always heard that the tear drop under the eye was a prison thing....how many ppl someone had killed? Anybody else heard of that?

Maybe they HAVE killed someone, but not the number. I thought it was used to show a killing in some gangs, like skinheads.

[happy2bme]

Not me in todays world...too many pastor's are creepy. If my child goes and plays at someone's home ...I would want to make sure I drop in....

Not to mention, still the mother's comment about Sandra being around the guy (the one who kissed her daugther in the mouth when she was 6) didnt make her "uncomfortable"..makes me a little concerned abou the mother.....I have said this before...I hope I am wrong wrong wrong..but something with the mother..isnt sitting well with me....
PRAYING I am wrong...and I have to apologize....just odd no one has been Ruled out as a suspect.

I hear ya! Seems you can't trust anyone these days.

[dgfred]

Tear drop tattoo...possible meanings?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_tear_drop_tattoo_symbolize


Thanks for the link. I guess if you killed 5 people you would have a stream of tears down your face :confused: .

[kitty1182]

I thought the mother reported it to police when the kissing happened to her 6 year old daughter.

I think this mother's world has been shattered by some POS murdering her baby child. Her genuine grief is so gut wrenching and obvious. This is no Casey Anthony or Susan Smith type of mother...........this is a mother who has lost what is precious to her.

Many people in all professions are creepy.


imo

I agree with all you posted...This mother's grief is real......:sad:

[cutiepatootie61]

I thought the mother reported it to police when the kissing happened to her 6 year old daughter.

I think this mother's world has been shattered by some POS murdering her baby child. Her genuine grief is so gut wrenching and obvious. This is no Casey Anthony or Susan Smith type of mother...........this is a mother who has lost what is precious to her.

Many people in all professions are creepy.


imo


Had to bold that. I too see nothing but genuine heartbreak in this woman. She is barely able to breathe. I just don't see what the OP is seeing. This is genuine grief in it's purest form. This woman's well being is hanging by a thread..... Also noted the donating of the gifts and balloons left at the memorial for Sandra. Sandra has siblings and cousins that could have benefited from these donations, instead the family chose to donate them to those in need, outstanding integrity in the face of certain life altering heartache, we are witnessing some stand up individuals as opposed to what leeches down there in Florida. moo

[5boxersmom]

Talking about case on MSNBC. Hope they update.

[texasgal]

Same here..I would expect that a man of God would not give me worries...


That's what they're counting on .. ("they" being criminals in positions that we trust)

[aproudmom]

Tear drop tattoo...possible meanings?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_tear_drop_tattoo_symbolize

who has a tattoo did i miss it

[singingbird]

I had always heard that the tear drop under the eye was a prison thing....how many ppl someone had killed? Anybody else heard of that?

Many different gangs use many different tats to "tell their story". Over the years there are so many, and they change, so it is very hard to tell what means what anymore unless you are a "part of the group" who uses them to "tell the story". And then you have individuals who believe tats are cool and stick anything on themselves for no other particular reason.

I would like to know though the specific report Jim is refering to, and what he remembers about it saying.

was it a teardrop, a star, or is this referring to some kind of Mark.

[kitty1182]

That's what they're counting on .. ("they" being criminals in positions that we trust)

Agree..No one can be trusted these days....

[KKKKKKatie]

Tear drop tattoo...possible meanings?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_tear_drop_tattoo_symbolize


Thanks Happy!

[aproudmom]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_tear_drop_tattoo_symbolize

have heard it means the person with the tatoo has killed someone. I'm sure it probably has other meanings also.
person had seen/watched someone be killed
I have also heard that the teardrop tattoo below the eye represents, if NOT filled in, the the person has someone they wish to kill for revenge of some sort, and if it is filled in, then they have succeeded
prison tattoos and membership in a gang, and as a tattoo symbol, will be treated accordingly. The teardrop, or teardrops, tattooed as if they are real tears at the corner of the eye, and on the cheek-bone, may show that someone has spent time in prison and that it was a period of pain, sorrow and suffering in their lives. In prison, teardrops may indicate the number of individuals someone has killed. Outside of prison, the teardrop may also indicate an individual has been initiated into a gang or that an individual has lost a loved one who died while incarcerated. (http://www.vanishingtattoo.com/tattoos_designs_symbols_teardrops.htm)
A teardrop tattoo means you have hurt or killed someone and you have made their family cry or you will be crying forever because of what you did.

[bama__angel]

Had to bold that. I too see nothing but genuine heartbreak in this woman. She is barely able to breathe. I just don't see what the OP is seeing. This is genuine grief in it's purest form. This woman's well being is hanging by a thread..... Also noted the donating of the gifts and balloons left at the memorial for Sandra. Sandra has siblings and cousins that could have benefited from these donations, instead the family chose to donate them to those in need, outstanding integrity in the face of certain life altering heartache, we are witnessing some stand up individuals as opposed to what leeches down there in Florida. moo



I see in Sandra's mama a woman who is dying from a broken heart...and I say this because I believe you can die from a broken heart....IMO

[kitty1182]

Found this info on link:
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=news&id=2261962-Town+mourns+its+lost+child+as+police+look+for+clue s&article-Town%20mourns%20its%20lost%20child%20as%20police%2 0look%20for%20clues%20=&widget=push&instance=secondary_stories_left_column&open=&


No one in the neighborhood surrounding Orchard Estates said they attend the Baptist church — surrounded now by yellow crime-scene tape. About a dozen neighbors said they don’t know anyone who does and that it has a tiny congregation.

Thanks.....He sounds kind of like a loner to me..

[kitty1182]

I see in Sandra's mama a woman who is dying from a broken heart...and I say this because I believe you can die from a broken heart....IMO

I believe you can too.....

[n/t]

Found this info on link:
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=news&id=2261962-Town+mourns+its+lost+child+as+police+look+for+clue s&article-Town%20mourns%20its%20lost%20child%20as%20police%2 0look%20for%20clues%20=&widget=push&instance=secondary_stories_left_column&open=&


No one in the neighborhood surrounding Orchard Estates said they attend the Baptist church — surrounded now by yellow crime-scene tape. About a dozen neighbors said they don’t know anyone who does and that it has a tiny congregation.


If that's the case then why didn't the grandfather question why Sandra wanted to go to the church? This is getting too confusing. The mother or aunt said they didn't know the pastor but yet Sandra wanted to go to church on a Friday afternoon? :confused:

[aproudmom]

Thanks Happy!

we were right i guess KK Why is this being asked

[singingbird]

who has a tattoo did i miss it

it was a post by JIM, let me copy it for you, so you understand what he said. The discussion went from there. No mention of a tear drop, just tattoo.

+++++++

post 2 04-09-2009, 08:57 AM
Jim
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2

Originally Posted by Jim
A news report said it might be some guy with a tattoo under his eye.
I goggle it and there was too many reports.

To which I replied to his post

04-09-2009, 10:01 AM
singingbird
Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 19


Jim,
I did "google" to look for this news report, but like you have said, "there was too many reports"

Can you tell me what you remember about
"a tattoo under his eye"

I would be very interested in a
Mark under an "eye"

[kitty1182]

If that's the case then why didn't the grandfather question why Sandra wanted to go to the church? This is getting too confusing. The mother or aunt said they didn't know the pastor but yet Sandra wanted to go to church on a Friday afternoon? :confused:

I was thinking it had something to do with Easter things coming up at the church....Maybe she was asked to come and help with something by the pastor while she was visting at his house?

[~jomomma~]

http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12090693

Nicole Lee, 18, of Tracy, who once lived there, said she baby sat Sandra for a couple of years, until she was 7.

The second-grader loved to play, Lee said, and was very smart. Sandra loved cookies, Lee said.

Lee said the girl and her mother were active in the Clover Road Baptist Church. The slaying has shaken the community where everyone knew each other.

[n/t]

I was thinking it had something to do with Easter things coming up at the church....Maybe she was asked to come and help with something by the pastor while she was visting at his house?

But apparently the aunt said they're not familiar with this guy. If Sandra was playing with their great granddaughter, wouldn't her family know the pastor's family?

[n/t]

http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12090693

Nicole Lee, 18, of Tracy, who once lived there, said she baby sat Sandra for a couple of years, until she was 7.

The second-grader loved to play, Lee said, and was very smart. Sandra loved cookies, Lee said.

Lee said the girl and her mother were active in the Clover Road Baptist Church. The slaying has shaken the community where everyone knew each other.

:mellow:...

[~jomomma~]

i don't have time right now to search but i know i saw a video, an interview with sandra's mother. they were talking about they guy kissing sandra and i swear.....the interviewer asked mom if she thought that was strange (can't remember exact word) and mom responds 'no, not really'

i will search for it later but i know i heard that. isn't that weird?

[kitty1182]

But apparently the aunt said they're not familiar with this guy. If Sandra was playing with their great granddaughter, wouldn't her family know the pastor's family?

You would think so..Guess they just trusted him because of the church..:confused:

[~jomomma~]

The mother may have reported....but, she was questioned the other day and in the interview..she was asked if she was uncomfortable with her daughter being around this man..and her answer was no....Anyone here say they would be ok with their child around a man who kissed their daughter in the mouth at 6?
NOT me...

omg!!! thank you!!! i'm glad someone else heard that!!! :bored:

[~jomomma~]

:mellow:...

LOL! what!?

[bama__angel]

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[VC2]

Question, and thanks in advance for any answers.

IIRC it was said when the video was released that Sandra is seen leaving her house, etc, etc.

But, hasn't it been established that the video of Sandra was actually taken by cameras on her own trailer?

Is this correct: She is seen walking towards her own house, glances towards it, then keeps on going off camera?

i saw an msnbc clip a few minutes ago of it and i swear it was a longer version of the other by a couple of seconds and someone else came after Sandra did (i mean you could see their legs not that they were following her per se)

[happy2bme]

I see in Sandra's mama a woman who is dying from a broken heart...and I say this because I believe you can die from a broken heart....IMO


I believe you can too. I my heart hurts for this family. I have thought to myself how I would feel if this happened to one of my children and the feeling I get is horrible so I can only imagine what this mother is going through. God bless her and give her the strength to get through this.


When my son was 3, he fell asleep in a mountain of laundry that needed folding. I couldn't find him anywhere. I called all the neighbors, checked my inlaws pool...I searched everywhere. About the time I was gonna call 911 I spotted his foot sticking out of the clothes. Anyway the panic I felt in those 30 minutes was un-like anything I had ever experienced. I had the most horrid thoughts racing through my mind. It was awful. I would not wish that feeling on my worst enemy. Again, I couldn't imagine actually losing one of my children. I truly hurt for this family.:sad:

[cutiepatootie61]

But apparently the aunt said they're not familiar with this guy. If Sandra was playing with their great granddaughter, wouldn't her family know the pastor's family?


Maybe because the aunt doesn't live in the park? I know she has be there consistently since Sandra disappeared, but perhaps she doesn't reside there, so she wouldn't really be all too familiar with the residents. I would say it's odd if Maria, Sandra's mother said she wasn't familiar with the pastor, but poor Maria couldn't even speak in this mornings interview. This came from the aunt.

[dgfred]

i saw an msnbc clip a few minutes ago of it and i swear it was a longer version of the other by a couple of seconds and someone else came after Sandra did (i mean you could see their legs not that they were following her per se)

Yeah, I saw that too... hopefully a witness of where she went to.

[kitty1182]

Maybe because the aunt doesn't live in the park? I know she has be there consistently since Sandra disappeared, but perhaps she doesn't reside there, so she wouldn't really be all too familiar with the residents. I would say it's odd if Maria, Sandra's mother said she wasn't familiar with the pastor, but poor Maria couldn't even speak in this mornings interview. This came from the aunt.

That poor mother..:sad: I hope the doctor has given her something to take...

[bama__angel]

I believe you can too. I my heart hurts for this family. I have thought to myself how I would feel if this happened to one of my children and the feeling I get is horrible so I can only imagine what this mother is going through. God bless her and give her the strength to get through this.


When my son was 3, he fell asleep in a mountain of laundry that needed folding. I couldn't find him anywhere. I called all the neighbors, checked my inlaws pool...I searched everywhere. About the time I was gonna call 911 I spotted his foot sticking out of the clothes. Anyway the panic I felt in those 30 minutes was un-like anything I had ever experienced. I had the most horrid thoughts racing through my mind. It was awful. I would not wish that feeling on my worst enemy. Again, I couldn't imagine actually losing one of my children. I truly hurt for this family.:sad:


I hope God takes her pain away......It hurts my heart to the point of making me physically sick to even imagine ( and this is just imagining) something like this happening to either of my 2 boys.......I pray to God, thankfully we all live under his Grace, that he can comfort Sandra's mother and give her some kind of peace

[PBJMOM4]

i don't have time right now to search but i know i saw a video, an interview with sandra's mother. they were talking about they guy kissing sandra and i swear.....the interviewer asked mom if she thought that was strange (can't remember exact word) and mom responds 'no, not really'

i will search for it later but i know i heard that. isn't that weird?

Not sure it's the same video you saw, but on youtube {not sure I can post it} the video title was something liek Begnaud Interviews Sandra's mother.

She is asked about the man who kissed her daughter and she responds I don't know, and that she didn't "see" the incident.

[kitty1182]

I hope God takes her pain away......It hurts my heart to the point of making me physically sick to even imagine ( and this is just imagining) something like this happening to either of my 2 boys.......I pray to God, thankfully we all live under his Grace, that he can comfort Sandra's mother and give her some kind of peace

What is that? He wil not give us more than we can handle? He has His arms around her...Makes me sick too..My son will be 38 in June and I would be devastated if he were killed..I cannot imagine the heartache she has....
This is Easter sunday..She should have been getting ready to dye eggs and dress up......
Please, let this killer be found and locked up today!

[happy2bme]

Not sure it's the same video you saw, but on youtube {not sure I can post it} the video title was something liek Begnaud Interviews Sandra's mother.

She is asked about the man who kissed her daughter and she responds I don't know, and that she didn't "see" the incident.

Maybe she was afraid to really comment about it to the media? Maybe she thought if this man was involved, she didn't want to anger him for fear of him harming Sandra?:confused:

[aproudmom]

Indiana Inmate Tattoos Face With Child Victim's Name: 'Katie's Revenge'scroll down and you will see his pretty new tattoo
http://findcarrie.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general2&action=display&num=1159547040

An inmate serving a life sentence for molesting and murdering a 10-year-old girl named Katie was apparently forcibly tattooed across the forehead by a fellow prisoner with the words "KATIE'S REVENGE,

maybe all killer should have this done..

[juliekan]

I hope God takes her pain away......It hurts my heart to the point of making me physically sick to even imagine ( and this is just imagining) something like this happening to either of my 2 boys.......I pray to God, thankfully we all live under his Grace, that he can comfort Sandra's mother and give her some kind of peace

I agree. When I watched that interview, I thought wow, finally someone that looks and acts like I probably would. :crying:

[kitty1182]

Indiana Inmate Tattoos Face With Child Victim's Name: 'Katie's Revenge'scroll down and you will see his pretty new tattoo
http://findcarrie.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general2&action=display&num=1159547040

An inmate serving a life sentence for molesting and murdering a 10-year-old girl named Katie was apparently forcibly tattooed across the forehead by a fellow prisoner with the words "KATIE'S REVENGE,

maybe all killer should have this done..



Sounds like a great idea to me...

[Stella Rose]

It is strange.

If it is the Pastor then I don't believe that Sandra is his first victim. He is in his 70's. It is hard to tell where this could lead.

imo

I hate to say this but most child molestors (not child killers) purposefully put themselves into positions where they can freely interract with children. They choose a line of work that can put themselves into an authority position over those children, or one that can make them appear to be a 'friend'.

Typically they use threats to keep their vistims from talking. If, say, the preacher is the perp (completely hypothetical) and he could no longer control his victim with threats, he could very well have panicked and killed her. (not saying this is what happened).

What I am saying here is Sandra could have been his first victim to die.

no offense to anyone, and not making accusations... Just my thoughts and all that.

[VC2]

he had since the 27th CC I could see him not now..sure they don't want to see him at this time..but before he was not a POI it was just Monday he was served and I know they say he is not a POI but they searched his home and church

I am one who feels the immediate and continued attention on the pastors house/church after her body was found is a strong indication of where LE thinks involvement is,

for the very reason that most did/do not want to think it was him though, imo LE should leak something to effect of "only reason was a church business card found in the pocket of the luggage" if it is just a 'one of many leads' and he is not a serious suspect. I understand they can't say it right out (or they can but no one is going to believe it, they say it about any suspect) yet to destroy a 71 year old preachers life and career of service to God based on no real belief its him seems a little much....and more importantly from people on this board who are as crime hardened as any i know i think it scares the public much more. A judicious leak of why they went there so quickly if its purely luggage in a rummage sale type of evidence might help.

imo

[~jomomma~]

Ok...here is the interview...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxfPOPBgkLQ

The Mother didnt KNOW about the man kissing her daughter...so she didnt/could not have reported it. Also, the mother said she looked for Sandra for about an hour...she is then asked....Did anyone say they had seen Sandra..and her comment was "I DONT REMEMBER" ...are you kidding me??? She doesnt remember if anyone saw her daughter.....

I am trying for the life of me ....to not be questionalbe of this mother...but man....she sure makes it hard. Lots of wiping of the eyes..but I dont see the tears. Gotta say it again....she has not been ruled out as a suspect either.

i am with you

[bama__angel]

i am with you



Please remember that Sandra's mom is in a state of shock and is probably very close to going over the edge of the cliff.....IMO she is taking medication which would make her memory even less reliable......If she says I dont know.....She probably doesnt remember....If she makes it thru this, one day all of this will be in her memory in color and it will never go away.....There will be much that she would give anything to be able to forget...IMO

[PBJMOM4]

I thought I read that Sandra told her friend she wanted to run away.
Mom is saying the last thing she told the friend was she had to go home to do homework.

Was the running away version debunked?
I'm confused.

[royals02]

:crying:
I just watched the video from the Today show with Sandra's mom and aunt. How heartbreaking...the poor mom tried, but couldnt even really speak. As a mom, I cannot fathom the depths of despair she must be feeling. I pray that knowing she has other children that need her, helps her get through this.
And on a sour note.....did ANY one of us see a reaction even close to this from the Anthony family when Caylee's remains were finally found. What a truly despicable bunch they ALL are

[~jomomma~]

Please remember that Sandra's mom is in a state of shock and is probably very close to going over the edge of the cliff.....IMO she is taking medication which would make her memory even less reliable......If she says I dont know.....She probably doesnt remember....If she makes it thru this, one day all of this will be in her memory in color and it will never go away.....There will be much that she would give anything to be able to forget...IMO



let me add.....i hope i am wrong

[cutiepatootie61]

I thought I read that Sandra told her friend she wanted to run away.
Mom is saying the last thing she told the friend was she had to go home to do homework.

Was the running away version debunked?
I'm confused.

I'd say the running away version has been debunked, I doubt she ran into a suitcase and threw herself into an irrigation pond.

[kitty1182]

I thought I read that Sandra told her friend she wanted to run away.
Mom is saying the last thing she told the friend was she had to go home to do homework.

Was the running away version debunked?
I'm confused.

I haven't heard anything about running away..The way she was skipping in the video she didn't look like a kid who would want to run away...

[omsk99]

POI early on just looking backThen kinda backed off the whole POI so I guess we dont know what they are...seems to me they are looking at one more than the others..JMO

Chris S. Arrested for hindering their seach let out. his home was checked again the night her body was found a total of 3 that I know of
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=scquestionedChrisSinclair.jpg

Frank W he was the one that kissed her 2 yrs ago...ugh dont like this pic no matter what.his hands not in good places..:angry:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=SandraHomesearched.jpg

David Slayter March 29, 2009 #43 she went bowling,played games,did chores for them
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=s007.jpg

Pastor Lawless
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03982.jpg

Alot of pics on here
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=s007.jpg

K gonna grab a bite to eat are they having any press conf. today??

This is awesome! Thank you very much for putting this together, proudmom!

[Tornado]

You have a point.....but what bothers me is by their own admission Sandra had been at their house many times to play with their great granddaughter........I would have reached out to Sandra's family for that reason only......

You have made a better point- I didn't pay attention to the fact that the girls had played together before. For that I have no answer, or the answer I have I don't like the feeling it gives me.

[bama__angel]

This is awesome! Thank you very much for putting this together, proudmom!



That Chris S. gentleman looks a lot like Mark Hammil does now.....You know the guy that played Luke Skywalker in Star Wars.....IMO

[titanfan217]

If that's the case then why didn't the grandfather question why Sandra wanted to go to the church? This is getting too confusing. The mother or aunt said they didn't know the pastor but yet Sandra wanted to go to church on a Friday afternoon? :confused:

Probably a different church.

Regarding the pastor, I think it's possible that the pastor & his wife have been out of town. I read that there were no services at least one of the Sundays after Sandra was missing. Everything points to a small church & they may not have gotten someone to take his place.

On the other hand, being a pastor does not necessarily mean innocent. Shortly after I left my home church there was talk that the current pastor had problems keeping his hands off the girls. I wasn't around him that often but said I wish he'd try it with me. I'd not have any problem putting him in his place.

And how many times have you heard/read of Catholic priests & children?


I'm out of here for the afternoon. Later.

[n/t]

I thought I read that Sandra told her friend she wanted to run away.
Mom is saying the last thing she told the friend was she had to go home to do homework.

Was the running away version debunked?
I'm confused.

IIRC, she told this to another friend. Not that same day.

[PBJMOM4]

IIRC, she told this to another friend. Not that same day.

thank you... knew I hear that version somewhere at some time.

[kitty1182]

Fox 40 shows getting ready for live pc...
http://video.fox40.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?vt1=l&d1=0&ClipId1=mms%3A//a1181.l2198251180.c21982.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1181/21982/v0001/reflector%3A51180&LiveURI=mms%3A//a1181.l2198251180.c21982.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1181/21982/v0001/reflector%3A51180&h1=Sandra%20Cantu%20briefing&at1=newstream&LiveURITitle=Sandra%20Cantu%20briefing&LaunchPageAdTag=newstream&fvCatNo=164024&rnd=18165469


Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!

[n/t]

Probably a different church.

Regarding the pastor, I think it's possible that the pastor & his wife have been out of town. I read that there were no services at least one of the Sundays after Sandra was missing. Everything points to a small church & they may not have gotten someone to take his place.

On the other hand, being a pastor does not necessarily mean innocent. Shortly after I left my home church there was talk that the current pastor had problems keeping his hands off the girls. I wasn't around him that often but said I wish he'd try it with me. I'd not have any problem putting him in his place.

And how many times have you heard/read of Catholic priests & children?


I'm out of here for the afternoon. Later.



hmmmm ok. Could be. Have they checked this other church for any evidence if that's where Sandra could've gone? The only we keep hearing about is the Baptist one. I didn't realize there was a Catholic Church there. Do you know if there is?

[aproudmom]

I believe I read in one news report that Tracy PD is looking for a sex offender felon who is missing from the area. The news article may be in the links thread. It had a photo of the guy and the tattoo teardrop under his eye was visible. I guess he's wanted for parole violation by leaving the area if my memory serves correctly. Hope this helps.

And I assume that's why the question about the tattoo has come up.

o ok well just go to their website and it have most wanted on there..is he the one that went missing on the same day? I will go look

[lune3]

Just watched that heartrending interview with Matt Lauer,.. made me cry.
This has probably already been mentioned but one thing that struck me was that evidently the pastor has not been in contact with the family. With Sandra having spent so much time at their home, I find this strange. We don't know if maybe Mrs Lawless spoke with the family, but it seems to me that the pastor would have at least paid the family a visit with his support and condolences. I don't know what to think about this.

[Tornado]

I find it odd too that Sandra's home (or vehicle) was being being disturbed enough by someone that the Grandfather felt it necessary to put up cameras on the house, I wonder if the incidents have anything to do with each other.

[kitty1182]

I just turned it on, what was he saying about a letter that said to my killer from Sandra??

What link are you watching? I'm not getting anything

[aproudmom]

This is awesome! Thank you very much for putting this together, proudmom!

UR welcome thought it would be good for new people to see..and know who is who..sorry trying to keep up with you guys watching a funeral and waiting for a press conf I guess..sorry I did not tell you ur welcome sooner

[lune3]

What link are you watching? I'm not getting anything

Me either, just see a microsoft logo.

[aproudmom]

Right here:
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

thank you so much

[5boxersmom]

Right here:
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

So I missed some of it. I thought it was 1:30. :blink:

Still doesn't sound like an arrest has been made. :sad:

imo

[lune3]

Right here:
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

Thank you! Got it.

[aproudmom]

Me either, just see a microsoft logo.

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

[lune3]

Oh gosh, he mentions tips from around country including psychic tips? I hope this doesn't mean they are really lost and actually investigating such tips.

[aproudmom]

So I missed some of it. I thought it was 1:30. :blink:

Still doesn't sound like an arrest has been made. :sad:

imo

heck no:angry:
a theory huh

[lune3]

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/
Thanks aproudmom.....I have it now.

Oh it's over now, no new info I guess, how discouraging.

[Sweetly]

heck no:angry:
a theory huh

Gah dang it, what in the world is taking them so long to find and arrest the perpetrator(s)?????? I just don't get this!!! :cursing:

[n/t]

heck no:angry:
a theory huh

Don't have sound at work.. What do you mean a theory? TIA

[merical]

Grrr, by the time I got my stupid computer figured out, the dang presser was over. What is this about a note??? Can someone please update me? Dying over here!

[kitty1182]

Right here:
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

Thanks..I finally got it to play..I could not hear the questions, just the answersl.ol
I did hear the sheriff say no on was cleared..

[aproudmom]

Oh gosh, he mentions tips from around country including psychic tips? I hope this doesn't mean they are really lost and actually investigating such tips.

did I hear right they are talking to someone in the park who may have info on the luggage???and he said he was going back to talk to him he said the guy had a theory:unsure:

[n/t]

Theories and psychics??? Doesn't sound good at all.

:unsure:

[PBJMOM4]

did I hear right they are talking to someone in the park who may have info on the luggage???and he said he was going back to talk to him he said the guy had a theory:unsure:

That is what I understood, but this "person" is NOT a person of interest is also what I got from the PC

[KKKKKKatie]

did I hear right they are talking to someone in the park who may have info on the luggage???and he said he was going back to talk to him he said the guy had a theory:unsure:

sounded to me like it was a neighbor or something that asked that question. She seemed very grateful that he was going back to talk to him again :confused:

[lune3]

did I hear right they are talking to someone in the park who may have info on the luggage???and he said he was going back to talk to him he said the guy had a theory:unsure:

I heard that too. A theory? I'm sure everyone has a theory. I guess LE is checking everything out but I fear this indicates that they are not as ahead as I'd hoped.

[Snewpy]

IMO..I think they know who did this...and have them in sight. However, I think LE is being smart in working through everything ..every "I" and every "T". Also, I think they are waiting on the toxicology reports to rule out the chemicals in the pond water....and to see if she was drugged.

And I find interesting that they have not "RULED OUT ANYONE!".....even the family. My heart breaks for the family and friends of this adoreable girl...but I have an uneasy feeling in my stomach....about the mother, even watching her this am on Today show. I cannot shake it....I think it has some to do with her comments a few days ago..when asked if she was uncomfortable allowing Sandra around the Frank guy who kissed Sandra in the mouth and she said NO...I have a real issue with that. ....again, JMO. (I hope hope and pray I am wrong!):crying:


All.. ITA.. I'm glad someone else said it. I've been thinking it, but was afraid to even say it.

I even said it to my husband this morning. I can't explain it, I can't tell you why, but I get a weird vibe from her. My husband, who pays NO attention to these cases other than what I tell him, was commenting on how real her grief is and how clearly she had nothing to do with this (unlike some other cases we all know), and I said, I don't know... the mother has set off my hinky meter since day one.

Now that being said, I really REALLY don't think I believe she had anything directly to do with her daughter's death, but something there just gets my back up. I just wish I could figure out what it is about the mother that sets me on edge. All JMO of course, and this isn't to say my heart does not go out to her and the entire family and community. This was a precious little angel and it breaks my heart.

[playnice]

I wish we knew whose home the CSI was supposed to be at this morning.

[kitty1182]

I wish we knew whose home the CSI was supposed to be at this morning.

Yeah, me too........

[lune3]

Theories and psychics??? Doesn't sound good at all.

:unsure:

It sure doesn't. With all that activity at the church, I really expected that to lead somewhere.

[PBJMOM4]

sounded to me like it was a neighbor or something that asked that question. She seemed very grateful that he was going back to talk to him again :confused:

I thought the neighbor was asking if he could speak with a child who would like to go visit his grandmother a few doors down {in the mobile community}and if it was safe for him to do so and how grateful she was that he could speak to the kid about it after the PC.

[aproudmom]

Grrr, by the time I got my stupid computer figured out, the dang presser was over. What is this about a note??? Can someone please update me? Dying over here!

try going to
searchforsandra.com
they usually have all press conf on there..

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra
they may not have it for awile maybe someone knows were you can listen to it..he did not say much

[n/t]

I wish we knew whose home the CSI was supposed to be at this morning.

Was it even mentioned in the PC?

[kitty1182]

Could they have the results back from the computers they took yet?

[KKKKKKatie]

I thought the neighbor was asking if he could speak with a child who would like to go visit his grandmother a few doors down {in the mobile community}and if it was safe for him to do so and how grateful she was that he could speak to the kid about it after the PC.


Oh...ok. It was really hard for me to hear. Thanks for clearing that up for me :smile:

[Destini]

TRACY (KRON) -- Tracy police are examining the contents of an envelope found Thursday morning at the memorial for eight-year old Sandra Cantu.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman says the outside of the envelope read "From Sandra to my killer." Investigators aren't yet sure if the note is connected to the girl's disappearance and murder

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/988/reftab/36/t/Police-Seize-Suspicious-Envelope-Found-at-Memorial-for-Sandra-Cantu/Default.aspx

[n/t]

Could they have the results back from the computers they took yet?

I would sure hope so, kitty.

I'm afraid they have nothing. I hate to say it but I think the child porn threw them off and they lost focus.
Yesterday, when the Sgt said they need to build a foundation, it was very clear to me they had no clue on who did this.

Sad.:sad:

[PBJMOM4]

Oh...ok. It was really hard for me to hear. Thanks for clearing that up for me :smile:

It was hard to hear and I'm not 100% sure myself.. but that is what I thought was being discussed with that neighbor person {female voice}

I missed the begining of the PC that had to do with a letter.
If anyone has more info please add!

[~jomomma~]

I have a bizarre feeling all of a sudden.

LE keeps pointedly stating they aren't ruling anyone out, even family.

Who all, exactly was home when Sandra disappeared? I understand the mother wasn't home.

The grandfather was either home or "at work". Who else?

I have to say I was shocked by how the mother looked this morning. Her daughter went missing 11 days ago, was formally announced to be deceased two days ago, a time when most parents look exhausted, out of it, and almost cried-out. She looked, to me, like someone expecting worse news.

Does she suspect something that will hurt her even more than her daughter being deceased?


did she leave after sandra left for her friends? cuz she said that sandra gave her a kiss then left.

who reported her missing?

[kitty1182]

I would sure hope so, kitty.

I'm afraid they have nothing. I hate to say it but I think the child porn threw them off and they lost focus.
Yesterday, when the Sgt said they need to build a foundation, it was very clear to me they had no clue on who did this.

Sad.:sad:

Sure is:sad:

[aproudmom]

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?From-Sandra-To-My-Killer---Note-Recovere=1&blockID=262565&feedID=2674

FOX40 News

April 9, 2009

TRACY - Crime Scene Investigation units returned to a mobile home park that 8-year-old Sandra Cantu once called home.

CSI was called out this morning to recover a note left by a tree that reportedly read "From Sandra, to my killer." It's unclear what, if anything else, the note may have read.

Sandra Cantu had been missing since March 27th. The 8-year-old's body was recovered in a piece of luggage on April 6th.

[BevAnn]

I would sure hope so, kitty.

I'm afraid they have nothing. I hate to say it but I think the child porn threw them off and they lost focus.
Yesterday, when the Sgt said they need to build a foundation, it was very clear to me they had no clue on who did this.

Sad.:sad:

n/t - I'm beginning to think you may be right!

I too thought they had a person in mind....but now, I'm not so sure....

[5boxersmom]

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?From-Sandra-To-My-Killer---Note-Recovere=1&blockID=262565&feedID=2674

FOX40 News

April 9, 2009

TRACY - Crime Scene Investigation units returned to a mobile home park that 8-year-old Sandra Cantu once called home.

CSI was called out this morning to recover a note left by a tree that reportedly read "From Sandra, to my killer." It's unclear what, if anything else, the note may have read.

Sandra Cantu had been missing since March 27th. The 8-year-old's body was recovered in a piece of luggage on April 6th.

So that is what the CSI van was doing there this morning.

Hmmmm

imo

[aproudmom]

Was it even mentioned in the PC?

n/t read my last post some sort of letter found

[IlliniFan]

I just missed the PC. Did the Sgt. say that they aren't ruling anyone out...including the family???tia

[kitty1182]

He said the investigation was going in the right direction at least.
Personally, I think they have a good idea who did it. Yesterday he said they were just covering all the bases to make sure they had a solid case (something along those lines).

I think we're going to be kept in the dark until an arrest is made.

I think so too....I feel like they know who did this.....There must be some dna from the suitcase..

[cutiepatootie61]

TRACY (KRON) -- Tracy police are examining the contents of an envelope found Thursday morning at the memorial for eight-year old Sandra Cantu.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman says the outside of the envelope read "From Sandra to my killer." Investigators aren't yet sure if the note is connected to the girl's disappearance and murder

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/988/reftab/36/t/Police-Seize-Suspicious-Envelope-Found-at-Memorial-for-Sandra-Cantu/Default.aspx


Wasn't it reported the family began collecting up all those donations at the memorial site in order to donate them? My God, I hope it wasn't a family member that found this note....

[aproudmom]

So that is what the CSI van was doing there this morning.

Hmmmm

imo

I pray this is not some sick joke if so I will blow

[omsk99]

Heartbreaking interview this morning on Today Show. Sandra Mom and Aunt, poor Mother just could hardly breathe let alone speak.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

Very chilling warning coming from LE to keep very close eye on your children, stay in groups, do not let them out alone. I am wondering perhaps they are not releasing COD as to not create panic in the town as to a suspect in the area. Horrible JMO

Thank you for posting this link. I watched it this morning while getting ready for work, and just started crying... My heart breaks for Sandra's Mom :crying:

[kitty1182]

I just missed the PC. Did the Sgt. say that they aren't ruling anyone out...including the family???tia

I didn't hear the word family..I just heard him say on one has been cleared..

[kitty1182]

I pray this is not some sick joke if so I will blow

Me too....:angry:

[n/t]

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?From-Sandra-To-My-Killer---Note-Recovere=1&blockID=262565&feedID=2674

FOX40 News

April 9, 2009

TRACY - Crime Scene Investigation units returned to a mobile home park that 8-year-old Sandra Cantu once called home.

CSI was called out this morning to recover a note left by a tree that reportedly read "From Sandra, to my killer." It's unclear what, if anything else, the note may have read.

Sandra Cantu had been missing since March 27th. The 8-year-old's body was recovered in a piece of luggage on April 6th.


Wow. Is it me or does someone think a family member is the killer? If the note was left near the home?:ohmy: