Thursday 9th April

[Tornado]

I haven't been reading much on this forum so this may have been discussed already...just wondering if anyone else noticed what I think I did in the video that they show of Sandra...After she skips across the parking lot did anyone else notice that she immediately turned to her left then to her right, as if someone may have called out to her? Am I seeing things or did anyone else notice that also?

It has been a question and observance raised by a few. i noticed what you did as well, she seems to go from being very carefree to focused in a couple of seconds.

[lune3]

He said the investigation was going in the right direction at least.
Personally, I think they have a good idea who did it. Yesterday he said they were just covering all the bases to make sure they had a solid case (something along those lines).

I think we're going to be kept in the dark until an arrest is made.

I was so sure that they were very close to making an arrest given all the activity. I assumed that they had a suspect and that they were being very cautious about what was said publicly so as not to spook the perpetrator and to have all their ducks in a row.

Now I'm not so sure.

[irishkitty24]

I would sure hope so, kitty.

I'm afraid they have nothing. I hate to say it but I think the child porn threw them off and they lost focus.
Yesterday, when the Sgt said they need to build a foundation, it was very clear to me they had no clue on who did this.

Sad.:sad:

Sadly, now that they have confirmed she was murdered, they do not need to rush anything.

I think they are trying to do this right so the perp doesn't get away with it.

Maybe i am just being optimistic(as much as one can be with the death of a child).

[kitty1182]

I hope the person who wrote the note comes forward quickly so it does not take the investigators off track. If it is just a innocent letter from someone speaking for Sandra, they should not have a problem.
Prayers to all who loved this child and protect the children in and around Tracy...........

I hope they come forward too.....
Adding my prayers too.......

[GentleBreeze]

So the FBI now is searching Sinclair's relatives' home?

What is the link I wonder between the pastor, church and Sinclair.

imo

[lune3]

Wow. Is it me or does someone think a family member is the killer? If the note was left near the home?:ohmy:

I thought it was left amongst other memorial items, and by a tree.

[aproudmom]

Wasn't it reported the family began collecting up all those donations at the memorial site in order to donate them? My God, I hope it wasn't a family member that found this note....


It was removed last night
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2283584-Shrine+dismantled&article-Shrine%20dismantled%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


Memorial was taken down Wednesday night before the rain.

slideshow City crews on Wednesday night dismantled a massive memorial to 8-year-old Tracy girl Sandra Cantu, who was found dead on Monday

Sandra’s family plans to give the hundreds of stuffed animals, gift baskets, toys and other trinkets people have placed at the shrine to nonprofits that help children, Tracy police said.

Cards and letters were given to the family.


Sandra’s mother and grandparents thanked the city and all the volunteers for their support in creating the memorial, which doubled in size between Monday night and Wednesday this week.

Police scheduled a press briefing for 10:30 this morning.

[playnice]

I was so sure that they were very close to making an arrest given all the activity. I assumed that they had a suspect and that they were being very cautious about what was said publicly so as not to spook the perpetrator and to have all their ducks in a row.

Now I'm not so sure.

I think they do have a suspect. Maybe they are waiting on some preliminary forensic tests before they arrest. Some solid evidence.
Cant just arrest on suspicion and tip the perps hand.
Sandra was found 10 days after the investigation. I think thats a good sign that LE know what they are doing. alot of people are never found that fast.
We just have to be patient but I do believe an arrest is coming this week or next.

[Tornado]

How far is it from Sandras home to where she was found? From the aerial I seen it did not look to me as if this was close to a road-

Was this in the middle of a farmers field or land?

[aproudmom]

So the FBI now is searching Sinclair's relatives' home?

What is the link I wonder between the pastor, church and Sinclair.

imo

what again today??

[cutiepatootie61]

ok..just a thought...

Remember the "creepy guy" with the hood yesterday...and we thought it could be Sandra's uncle?

Well..just happen to be looking for sex offenders in the area...and found someone who is in violation of his parole...who lives in san joaquin which is very close to Tracy that looks like he could be the guy in the hooded sweatshirt yesterday too! Wonder if he could be a POI?...do you think it is ok for me to link to his sex offender page?


yes, these sex offender registers are public for a reason. And you say this SO is violation of parole? Is he listed as missing right now? You would think if any SO's were unaccounted for, the Tracy PD would have asked the public for help in locating them all, no?

[juliekan]

On FOX news: Wendy Murphy talking about this case. She basically said her alarms went off big time when she pulled up the page for the church, and the members page was down. She said she hoped it was not going to turn out to be the church of the holy pornography. Other TH said it is NOT normal for them to take the pastor's phones, computers, etc. unless LE really sees him as a suspect, or in contact with someone who is a suspect.

Also said they think LE has someone/s specific in mind.

[~jomomma~]

ok..just a thought...

Remember the "creepy guy" with the hood yesterday...and we thought it could be Sandra's uncle?

Well..just happen to be looking for sex offenders in the area...and found someone who is in violation of his parole...who lives in san joaquin which is very close to Tracy that looks like he could be the guy in the hooded sweatshirt yesterday too! Wonder if he could be a POI?...do you think it is ok for me to link to his sex offender page?

i think some people are seeing a different hooded person than what the rest of us saw during the PC.

it wasn't a hooded sweatshirt....it was a coat.

as of last night, fox40 never posted yesterday morning's PC...wonder why? i saw a video of the PC with a guy wearing a hooded gray sweatshirt but that was him.

i'd like to see what you have tho!!!

[aproudmom]

How far is it from Sandras home to where she was found? From the aerial I seen it did not look to me as if this was close to a road-

Was this in the middle of a farmers field or land?

around 2 miles there is a site that that drove it..IIRC

[lune3]

How far is it from Sandras home to where she was found? From the aerial I seen it did not look to me as if this was close to a road-

Was this in the middle of a farmers field or land?

2 miles. She was found in an irrigation collection pond when it was routinely being drained by farm workers. They called in the discovery of the suitcase. The pond is close to the road.

[kitty1182]

On FOX news: Wendy Murphy talking about this case. She basically said her alarms went off big time when she pulled up the page for the church, and the members page was down. She said she hoped it was not going to turn out to be the church of the holy pornography. Other TH said it is NOT normal for them to take the pastor's phones, computers, etc. unless LE really sees him as a suspect, or in contact with someone who is a suspect.

Also said they think LE has someone/s specific in mind.



Wow...The member's list is gone?

[GentleBreeze]

what again today??

Oh I may have read it wrong, mom.

On one of the links (live on line, I think) it said his relatives' home in Oakland was searched by FBI. I assumed (I know, I know lol) that it happened today.

Sorry.

[Ice Cycle]

Wow...The member's list is gone?

Been trying to keep up on this today, does anyone know if the Parents or anyone in her family even went to that church or knew them maybe it was just Sandra and her sisters that went there for events with friends.

[lune3]

On FOX news: Wendy Murphy talking about this case. She basically said her alarms went off big time when she pulled up the page for the church, and the members page was down. She said she hoped it was not going to turn out to be the church of the holy pornography. Other TH said it is NOT normal for them to take the pastor's phones, computers, etc. unless LE really sees him as a suspect, or in contact with someone who is a suspect.

Also said they think LE has someone/s specific in mind.

Interesting. Evidently this church didn't have a lot of members either. Just 5 or 6 cars on Sunday services according to a resident across the street.

[Tornado]

around 2 miles there is a site that that drove it..IIRC

TY- that is alot farther than I was thinking. It must be the church that is a half mile away.

[juliekan]

Wow...The member's list is gone?

Someone here tried to pull it up several days ago when this suspect came up and it was down then.

[juliekan]

Was the member's list ever actually up?

The minute I read the church's name, I searched on it and even at that time there was no member's list although the other links worked.

It would be sort of odd, I think, to publicly list members on a website.

why have the page then? hmmmmm

[kitty1182]

Been trying to keep up on this today, does anyone know if the Parents or anyone in her family even went to that church or knew them maybe it was just Sandra and her sisters that went there for events with friends.

From what I gather, hardly anyone went to the church and the pastor didn't have anything to do with the other pastors around..:confused:

[kitty1182]

why have the page then? hmmmmm

I need to find the link to it again..I want to read more about it...

[Destini]

This posted on Twitter, for what it's worth ....

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: FOX40 News has learned an arrested in the Sandra Cantu murder case may be coming shortly. More details soon.
40 minutes ago from HootSuite

http://twitter.com/FOX40

[juliekan]

I don't know.

Whoever created the website might have put it there, and then members said I really don't think that's a great idea, I don't want to be listed, and then the link sat empty.

I know I've never seen a list of members on a church web page before.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi All,

I am not sure what, if anything, the note has to do with Sandra’s murder but friends sometimes do write letters to a killer on behalf of a murdered friend. Here is one written by a friend of Donna Gomez


To My Murderer

Remember me?
When you fall asleep at night, is it my face you see?

I was a daughter, a sister, someone's wife.
I was your victim, you took my life.

You didn't take my spirit and my memory is still alive.
You changed your own life the day you decided I was to die.

You changed my family's life and that of my friends.
The day I died, was that the day of your end?

Do you now have children, did you ever wed?
Many wonder, what kind of life you've led.

Do you carry guilt, can you say my name?
Your life since I died, has it been the same?

Do you visit my web site for updated news?
Did you know, they have DNA on you?

Tho it's been years, no one has given in.
Not my family, the police, or my friends.

As you're reading this now, do you understand?
This could be your last day, better make it grand.

For soon you'll be in prison, for life you'll serve.
After all, it's the justice that I deserve!

by,
Mary L. Cross
1/27/07
www.myspace.com/donnapotasgomez

[juliekan]

this posted on twitter, for what it's worth ....

Fox40 news alert: Fox40 news has learned an arrested in the sandra cantu murder case may be coming shortly. More details soon.
40 minutes ago from hootsuite

http://twitter.com/fox40

wooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooo

[lune3]

This posted on Twitter, for what it's worth ....

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: FOX40 News has learned an arrested in the Sandra Cantu murder case may be coming shortly. More details soon.
40 minutes ago from HootSuite

http://twitter.com/FOX40

I sure hope that's true and not another rumour or misinformation.

[kitty1182]

This posted on Twitter, for what it's worth ....

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: FOX40 News has learned an arrested in the Sandra Cantu murder case may be coming shortly. More details soon.
40 minutes ago from HootSuite

http://twitter.com/FOX40

I sure hope so!!!!!!

[GentleBreeze]

Wow. Is it me or does someone think a family member is the killer? If the note was left near the home?:ohmy:

I dont think any family member killed Sandra.

imo

[kitty1182]

I have read the same thing. Now that throws up big red flags to me. I think IMO, that something bad is going on inside that church. JMO

I will have to agree!!

[Amy S.]

I am sorry, if this has been asked a dozen times. Was there a place to play, outside the church? Like a basketball court or swing set?

Does anyone know why she was going to the church?

I saw the morning interview. How awful that the Today Show even aired that poor mother's grief. The aunt was completely stoic, though. If my niece was dead and my sister was sitting there having a nervous breakdown, I would have been in tears.

The mom could not utter a word. She is either sedated or needs to be.

God help us all.

[aproudmom]

Mr. Slayter may have lived NEXT DOOR to Sandra and her family at one time.

Mr. and Mrs. Slayter have admitted that Slayter spent time with Sandra several days per week on a regular basis. She claims they went bowling, played yahtzee, and that Sandra did not have many childhood playmates. Slayter makes the third person of interest in this case. The third POI from the same park, and apparently, former Guy Next Door..

[GentleBreeze]

This posted on Twitter, for what it's worth ....

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: FOX40 News has learned an arrested in the Sandra Cantu murder case may be coming shortly. More details soon.
40 minutes ago from HootSuite

http://twitter.com/FOX40

OMG! Let it be true. I think they will already have them arrested and in jail before they announce it.


imo

[GentleBreeze]

i think someone from the park wrote a letter not to be an issue but just kinda like "you will pay for what you've done" kinda thing (I'm totally guessing here) and CSI later went to whoever wrote it to confirm that they did write it.....does that make sense?

I think so too. I don't think the note writer is the actual killer.

imo

[lune3]

Mr. Slayter may have lived NEXT DOOR to Sandra and her family at one time.

Mr. and Mrs. Slayter have admitted that Slayter spent time with Sandra several days per week on a regular basis. She claims they went bowling, played yahtzee, and that Sandra did not have many childhood playmates. Slayter makes the third person of interest in this case. The third POI from the same park, and apparently, former Guy Next Door..

Several days a week?? Regularly? A grown man who is not family spending so much time with an eight year old really doesn't sound right to me.

[singingbird]

there was no members on the members page on April 4th. A site I am on is keeping track of everything that was on that site since april 4th. If all goes poof, I will still have access to all of the information that was on that site.

[n/t]

The note was removed from the memorial site which is by a tree next to her home. God let's don't go jumping on the band wagon that the family, especially the mother is involved in this little girl's murder. She and Sandra's family are in enough pain without innuendo's of their involvement.

I didn't jump on the bandwagon. I asked a question. Skip and scroll if you have nothing nice to say.:rolleyes:

[n/t]

i think someone from the park wrote a letter not to be an issue but just kinda like "you will pay for what you've done" kinda thing (I'm totally guessing here) and CSI later went to whoever wrote it to confirm that they did write it.....does that make sense?

Yes it does. Thank you for the explanation.

[aproudmom]

Tracy Police and FBI searched an Oakdale home and a boat owned by a cousin of one of the named persons of interest, Christian Sinclair. Shenemen categorized the investigation as the strongest it has been in and they are speaking to one individual they have spoken to previously, “following up”.

What is also a notable coincidence between Slayter and Sinclair is they both own White Isuzu Trooper SUV’s; which are currently undergoing forensic testing at the FBI facility. confirmed there is more than one witness account from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park indicating Sandra may have gotten into a vehicle resembling a White Isuzu Trooper, but Tracy Police declined to confirm that information at press time.

OK has anyone heard this ??????????not me white suv????

[singingbird]

I have read the same thing. Now that throws up big red flags to me. I think IMO, that something bad is going on inside that church. JMO


I believe there is something very bad going on in that whole eastside valley area forever. I am really hoping this might be the case to bring it all out in the open so the public can know.

I think this time someone made a very bad mistake and things did not go as planned. I could be very wrong but this case has the earmarkings of so many others. It will not supprise me one bit to find out this is not something much bigger. Again I might be wrong but there are just way too many similarities with other cases.

[aproudmom]

I didn't jump on the bandwagon. I asked a question. Skip and scroll if you have nothing nice to say.:rolleyes:

ofgs is it not just a opinion you did not say it was a fact did you n/t????
white suvs had you heard that???I knew about the place in Oakdale being searched..awwwww so many things to remember:confused:

[aproudmom]

Has a link been posted on this man and if so would someone guide me to it. TIA..
I was not going to get involved in another missing child case and here i am. Not good for me. Children are my weakness and I hurt when i get involved.
At least this child has been found and the family has the comfort of that,not much comfort, I know. Now maybe LE can track down the monster who took this child's life and may they burn in hell.

he said it on camera...dont get paid to search for links there is a link thread..thanks

HE SAID IT

[lune3]

Tracy Police and FBI searched an Oakdale home and a boat owned by a cousin of one of the named persons of interest, Christian Sinclair. Shenemen categorized the investigation as the strongest it has been in and they are speaking to one individual they have spoken to previously, “following up”.

What is also a notable coincidence between Slayter and Sinclair is they both own White Isuzu Trooper SUV’s; which are currently undergoing forensic testing at the FBI facility. confirmed there is more than one witness account from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park indicating Sandra may have gotten into a vehicle resembling a White Isuzu Trooper, but Tracy Police declined to confirm that information at press time.

OK has anyone heard this ??????????not me white suv????

aproudmom, the info and links you find are incredible. Thank you.
I vaguely remember an Izusu Trooper being mentioned early on, before Sandra was found, but don't remember the context. Maybe it was one of the vehicles first searched, I do know Sinclair's vehicle was taken.

Also, it was mentioned a couple of days ago Sinclair had 3 cars, including a Mercedes. I found that curious. What does this guy do for a living???

[GentleBreeze]

Tracy Police and FBI searched an Oakdale home and a boat owned by a cousin of one of the named persons of interest, Christian Sinclair. Shenemen categorized the investigation as the strongest it has been in and they are speaking to one individual they have spoken to previously, “following up”.

What is also a notable coincidence between Slayter and Sinclair is they both own White Isuzu Trooper SUV’s; which are currently undergoing forensic testing at the FBI facility. confirmed there is more than one witness account from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park indicating Sandra may have gotten into a vehicle resembling a White Isuzu Trooper, but Tracy Police declined to confirm that information at press time.

OK has anyone heard this ??????????not me white suv????

This IS the article I was talking about in my prior post, mom.

I had the town wrong though. I said Oakland and it should have been Oakdale.

imo

[n/t]

ofgs is it not just a opinion you did not say it was a fact did you n/t????
white suvs had you heard that???I knew about the place in Oakdale being searched..awwwww so many things to remember:confused:

mom, I remember reading about the white SUV yesterday. But it's hard to keep up when I'm at work. Sorry. Hopefully, someone else can answer it for you.

[singingbird]

I believe there is something very bad going on in that whole eastside valley area forever. I am really hoping this might be the case to bring it all out in the open so the public can know.

I think this time someone made a very bad mistake and things did not go as planned. I could be very wrong but this case has the earmarkings of so many others. It will not supprise me one bit to find out this is not something much bigger. Again I might be wrong but there are just way too many similarities with other cases.


I am trying to edit this post 3 times now. I am doing something wrong, I edit then it will not post it.

I want to edit it to say WESTSIDE not EASTSIDE.

It is the westside of 99 in the valley, tracy area and south of tracy.
Well more than that actually. oh this post is getting confusing; sorry.

[GentleBreeze]

Didn't the media say that 4 vehicles had been taken rather early on?

imo

[aproudmom]

Several days a week?? Regularly? A grown man who is not family spending so much time with an eight year old really doesn't sound right to me.

OK gonna search for it he is the one that was on camera saying he warned her about who she talked to and to be careful..I will try to search for the original link it has been on this forum...#43 is his home I had pics today of him outside and FBI at his home when they did a search...

I am watching a funeral for 3 dead officers so may take me a bit..lune

[GentleBreeze]

Anyone know what kind of church this is...religious affiliation, I mean?

Baptist, iirc.

imo

[bama__angel]

Anyone know what kind of church this is...religious affiliation, I mean?



Baptist....IMO

[lune3]

I am trying to edit this post 3 times now. I am doing something wrong, I edit then it will not post it.

I want to edit it to say WESTSIDE not EASTSIDE.

It is the westside of 99 in the valley, tracy area and south of tracy.
Well more than that actually. oh this post is getting confusing; sorry.

Isn't Tracy also the place where Kyle was found, when he escaped from that horrible family and neighbour who had abused him for a year.
The monsters in this world..it's just horrible.

[aproudmom]

Anyone know what kind of church this is...religious affiliation, I mean?

it is on the sign baptist I think

[lune3]

Baptist....IMO

Also, someone earlier had posted this church's doctrines which sounded rather extreme. I can't remember what they were but I don't think it's mainstream Baptist, and may explain the limited attendance.

[omsk99]

I have a bizarre feeling all of a sudden.

LE keeps pointedly stating they aren't ruling anyone out, even family.

Who all, exactly was home when Sandra disappeared? I understand the mother wasn't home.

The grandfather was either home or "at work". Who else?

I have to say I was shocked by how the mother looked this morning. Her daughter went missing 11 days ago, was formally announced to be deceased two days ago, a time when most parents look exhausted, out of it, and almost cried-out. She looked, to me, like someone expecting worse news.

Does she suspect something that will hurt her even more than her daughter being deceased?

That's it - I couldn't put a finger on it this morning while watching the interview on the Today Show. I had a feeling the Mom knew or felt something even worse was going to happen, like it's not over yet, and I didn't think it was the hope for an arrest. I understand what you are saying, I wonder if she is having suspicions someone really close to their family was involved. Perhaps because Sandra wouldn't go with a complete stranger? I can't even start imagining what Maria is feeling, it's just too heartbreaking. :crying:

[5boxersmom]

Several days a week?? Regularly? A grown man who is not family spending so much time with an eight year old really doesn't sound right to me.

Me neither and I am sorry but her mother should not have allowed it. I think her mother was to trusting of people. I feel for the woman.

imo

[bama__angel]

Also, someone earlier had posted this church's doctrines which sounded rather extreme. I can't remember what they were but I don't think it's mainstream Baptist, and may explain the limited attendance.



IMO...Baptist are kinda divided into 3 different groups with different doctrines......Southern Baptist, Missionary Baptist, and Primitive Baptist...

[aproudmom]

mom, I remember reading about the white SUV yesterday. But it's hard to keep up when I'm at work. Sorry. Hopefully, someone else can answer it for you.

oh it is ok you know how things drive me nuts also here is who is on the Tracy PD most wanted
http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/departments/police/most_wanted/

Victor Rojas-Valenzuela/12-10-82/Hispanic male adult/5’-07” tall & 170 lbs/black hair w/brown eyes. Sex Registrant out of compliance with registration provisions.

Victor Alcantara/2-13-84/Hispanic male adult/5’-08” tall & 220 lbs/bald hair w/brown eyes. Sex Registrant out of compliance with registration provisions.

Julio Trujillo Villalobos Born August 4, 1948 is a sex registrant and is out of compliance with the provisions of his registration requirments. Please contact the Tracy Police Department at 209-831-4550 if you know where Villalobos can be found.




I read one was found

[VC2]

Several days a week?? Regularly? A grown man who is not family spending so much time with an eight year old really doesn't sound right to me.

is that the guy who kissed her when she was 6? she spent a lot of time at his place too asking if she could help him or playing, was in an article early on.

one reason i found her rather sad, in the sense that she seemed to need to be warned about not trusting some adults more than once...which tells me she spent lots of time with adults.

imo

[singingbird]

Isn't Tracy also the place where Kyle was found, when he escaped from that horrible family and neighbour who had abused him for a year.
The monsters in this world..it's just horrible.

yes same town, but I believe this is something totally different. Just my thoughts

[lune3]

Me neither and I am sorry but her mother should not have allowed it. I think her mother was to trusting of people. I feel for the woman.

imo

On top of what the mother is enduring presently, I'm sure she has terrible guilt at the fact that Sandra was allowed to be so independent, wandering around without supervision. How was she to know? The poor woman just didn't consider the dangers in that seemingly close community.

[girlspell]

Also, someone earlier had posted this church's doctrines which sounded rather extreme. I can't remember what they were but I don't think it's mainstream Baptist, and may explain the limited attendance.


The membership is very small. 20-30 people max. Also, from interviews some of the people in the mobile park seem kind of suspicious about the place. I have impression that the preacher is not the divinity school graduate kind.

But there might not be anything wrong with the place. It would bother me if Sandra was killed there.

[lune3]

yes same town, but I believe this is something totally different. Just my thoughts

Oh yes it's a very different situation, but just made note of the fact of other horrible people around.

[n/t]

That's it - I couldn't put a finger on it this morning while watching the interview on the Today Show. I had a feeling the Mom knew or felt something even worse was going to happen, like it's not over yet, and I didn't think it was the hope for an arrest. I understand what you are saying, I wonder if she is having suspicions someone really close to their family was involved. Perhaps because Sandra wouldn't go with a complete stranger? I can't even start imagining what Maria is feeling, it's just too heartbreaking. :crying:

Could it be she was given the results of the autopsy? :sad:

[Destini]

yes same town, but I believe this is something totally different. Just my thoughts

Just curious ... what is your theory?

[lune3]

is that the guy who kissed her when she was 6? she spent a lot of time at his place too asking if she could help him or playing, was in an article early on.

one reason i found her rather sad, in the sense that she seemed to need to be warned about not trusting some adults more than once...which tells me she spent lots of time with adults.

imo

No, that was a different guy. His name is Wahler (Wohler?), a martial arts coach. He was also questioned IIRC.

[aproudmom]

Ok..found this.....

Chris Sinclair is the son of the owners of the residence, Mr. and Mrs. Sammie and Conrad Sinclair,ages 76 and 71 respectively. Chris’s brother Brandon committed suicide in 2004 due to depression over a job injury claim, and is believed to be the owner of the license plate on the Isuzu Trooper registered in Wyoming. In addition to impounding the cars, agents searched 4 park residences and 2 other homes; one in Tracy and one in Oakland, CA. A source inside the investigation has confirmed to blinkoncrime that men’s hair coloring and evidence of someone cutting off longer hair was found, leading to the initial warrants for additional searches last evening.

Sgt Shenemen also confirmed to Blinkoncrime.com Sandra Cantu’s Mother was asked for some of Sandra’s personal effects, such as a tooth brush, hair brush, and pillow cases and those items have been sent to the FBI lab for processing.

There are a total of 4 cars that have been sent to the FBI impound lab in this case. Two from Sinclair, one from Wohler, and a late model grey Mercedes from an undisclosed ownerwithin the Orchard Estates Mobile home park.

you got it posted it yesterday or last night I found the record of his brothers death they were trying to get a settlement from it..it was court docs so didnt bother posting it..and the whitepages

[5boxersmom]

On top of what the mother is enduring presently, I'm sure she has terrible guilt at the fact that Sandra was allowed to be so independent, wandering around without supervision. How was she to know? The poor woman just didn't consider the dangers in that seemingly close community.

Oh I agree. Like I said I think she was to trusting. Not her fault just the was she was. I wish sometimes I wasn't so untrusting of people.

imo

[singingbird]

Oh yes it's a very different situation, but just made note of the fact of other horrible people around.

I totally agree, there are way too many HORRIBLE people around. They are all over the place ugh. I wish LE would start paying more attention and do something about investigating things and then give these people sentences that compare to the crimes. Too many are just ignored or let out after no time at all.

But there is something very eerie going on in that tracy westside area. It has been going on forever. I am just hoping this might be the case to bring this mess to light and start to stop it all.

[GentleBreeze]

IMO...Baptist are kinda divided into 3 different groups with different doctrines......Southern Baptist, Missionary Baptist, and Primitive Baptist...

I think their sign states "Missionary-Independent" on it,iirc.

[Destini]

I'm not positive but I think Fred Williams & Johnny Williams are 2 different people. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

http://ow.ly/2t0u

April 9, 2009

TRACY - Johnny Williams is sure he know who killed Sandra Cantu.

Williams drove from Oakland Sunday afternoon to hand-deliver his lead to Tracy police during an afternoon press conference. Afterward, he told media that he believes he saw Sandra with a man on a boat the week prior.

Now, speaking exclusively to FOX40 News, Williams says he spotted the same man talking with media the day after Sandra Cantu's body was found.

FOX40 News won't show the man Williams accuses of murdering Sandra Cantu; however, Williams describes the man as being "heavyset with a thick moustache."

[StickyBeak]

Oh I agree. Like I said I think she was to trusting. Not her fault just the was she was. I wish sometimes I wasn't so untrusting of people.

imo

I think so too Boxer, perhaps the reality of TV cameras and reporters just too overwhelming. If ONLY She had made Sandra stay home, If ONLY she diden't let her go off by herself, maybe she would still be alive. The poor soul could hardly choke out the words, She was Happy!
This could very well be a whole community of pedophiles IMO including the church. I would be interested to see if Only Men were on the member list. Pastors wife set my hinky meter as well, too much information from her JMO
This Chris person, was he the one the LE arrested first night (drunk)?

[juliekan]

The membership is very small. 20-30 people max. Also, from interviews some of the people in the mobile park seem kind of suspicious about the place. I have impression that the preacher is not the divinity school graduate kind.

But there might not be anything wrong with the place. It would bother me if Sandra was killed there.

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/index.htm

church site
he attended seminary

[aproudmom]

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?ONLY-ON-FOX40-Man-Says-He-Knows-Who-Kill=1&blockID=262627&feedID=2674

TRACY - Johnny Williams is sure he know who killed Sandra Cantu.

Williams drove from Oakland Sunday afternoon to hand-deliver his lead to Tracy police during an afternoon press conference. Afterward, he told media that he believes he saw Sandra with a man on a boat the week prior.

Now, speaking exclusively to FOX40 News, Williams says he spotted the same man talking with media the day after Sandra Cantu's body was found.
FOX40 News won't show the man Williams accuses of murdering Sandra Cantu; however, Williams describes the man as being "heavyset with a thick moustache

[n/t]

I wish they'd take a closer look at this Williams man:



http://ow.ly/2t0u

Same guy who started the stolen luggage rumor.

Johnny Williams...and the other guy is Fred Williams. Both are Williams. :unsure:

[GentleBreeze]

I wish they'd take a closer look at this Williams man:



http://ow.ly/2t0u

Same guy who started the stolen luggage rumor.

I think the other Williams guy lives in Tracey.

This man sure is disturbed by what he thought he saw and is bound and determine to get the police to listen to him it seems.

imo

[5boxersmom]

I think so too Boxer, perhaps the reality of TV cameras and reporters just too overwhelming. If ONLY She had made Sandra stay home, If ONLY she diden't let her go off by herself, maybe she would still be alive. The poor soul could hardly choke out the words, She was Happy!
This could very well be a whole community of pedophiles IMO including the church. I would be interested to see if Only Men were on the member list. Pastors wife set my hinky meter as well, too much information from her JMO
This Chris person, was he the one the LE arrested first night (drunk)?

Yeah I wonder about the pedophile community there too.

Ok this Williams guy, is he the one that was locking up the church after LE released it?

[omsk99]

Could it be she was given the results of the autopsy? :sad:

I didn't even think about that... :sad:

[NikkiG77058]

No ..actually 2 different men..
Johnny Williams is the guy who claimed to have a lead for the police ...that he saw a heavy set man with a mustache with Sandra a week earlier..(when she was missing).

Fred Williams is the church member who claims someone reported the suitcase missing from the rummage sale.

Now question....why would this Fred Williams report on the luggage (which police say was never reported stolen) and NOT THE person who it was stolen from??

My question is if Johnny Williams saw Sandra with this heavy set, mustached man, WHILE she was MISSING, why didn't he hand deliver his tip to the police that day??

My heart breaks for this little girl and I want so badly for someone to be arrested - I just don't know if this man's tip is legitimate.

[StickyBeak]

Yeah I wonder about the pedophile community there too.

Ok this Williams guy, is he the one that was locking up the church after LE released it?

I think Williams was the name of the guy locking up the church. Kinda burly guy, brown messy hair and mustache IIRC. Saw it on a video, this am, where the fbi were all going inside. Coincidence for sure.

[kitty1182]

I think Williams was the name of the guy locking up the church. Kinda burly guy, brown messy hair and mustache IIRC. Saw it on a video, this am, where the fbi were all going inside. Coincidence for sure.

Correct...I saw him too....

[GentleBreeze]

My question is if Johnny Williams saw Sandra with this heavy set, mustached man, WHILE she was MISSING, why didn't he hand deliver his tip to the police that day??

My heart breaks for this little girl and I want so badly for someone to be arrested - I just don't know if this man's tip is legitimate.

He has stated he told LE right away but they never called him back. They seem to dismiss his tip for some reason.

Now I am wondering if Freddie Williams all along has lied about the stolen luggage and maybe he helped move her body and used the suitcase that was in the church for the rummage sale.

imo

[aproudmom]

I'm not positive but I think Fred Williams & Johnny Williams are 2 different people. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

http://ow.ly/2t0u

April 9, 2009

TRACY - Johnny Williams is sure he know who killed Sandra Cantu.

Williams drove from Oakland Sunday afternoon to hand-deliver his lead to Tracy police during an afternoon press conference. Afterward, he told media that he believes he saw Sandra with a man on a boat the week prior.

Now, speaking exclusively to FOX40 News, Williams says he spotted the same man talking with media the day after Sandra Cantu's body was found.

FOX40 News won't show the man Williams accuses of murdering Sandra Cantu; however, Williams describes the man as being "heavyset with a thick moustache."

watch the show the family was on was there a williams letting the Pastor in the church??big scuffy guy

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

[NikkiG77058]

There's a pic of Fred Williams at this link. He's heavyset with a mustache:

http://i42.tinypic.com/24cs8wn.jpg

It came from this site but I don't know how safe the site is. It has some very interesting info about him though:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/

Wow!! That does not sound good. Description definitely matches!! Does anyone know where he lives?

I just still don't understand why the tipster wouldn't have reported seeing the missing girl, the day he saw them. She was obviously still alive at that point - he possibly could have saved her life.

[aproudmom]

Correct...I saw him too....

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729
go to 1:29

[koawally]

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?ONLY-ON-FOX40-Man-Says-He-Knows-Who-Kill=1&blockID=262627&feedID=2674

TRACY - Johnny Williams is sure he know who killed Sandra Cantu.

Williams drove from Oakland Sunday afternoon to hand-deliver his lead to Tracy police during an afternoon press conference. Afterward, he told media that he believes he saw Sandra with a man on a boat the week prior.

Now, speaking exclusively to FOX40 News, Williams says he spotted the same man talking with media the day after Sandra Cantu's body was found.
FOX40 News won't show the man Williams accuses of murdering Sandra Cantu; however, Williams describes the man as being "heavyset with a thick moustache


http://ow.ly/2sDc
Pic of a fellow who fits the description here(heavyset, dark stash)

[aproudmom]

um, this DOES LOOK LIKE THE SUSPICOUS LOOKING DUDE YESTERDAY YOU GUYS!!!!

he was on this mornings video
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

[juliekan]

I think Williams was the name of the guy locking up the church. Kinda burly guy, brown messy hair and mustache IIRC. Saw it on a video, this am, where the fbi were all going inside. Coincidence for sure.

Sooooo, we know he has a key to the church. (my bolding)

[5boxersmom]

watch the show the family was on was there a williams letting the Pastor in the church??big scuffy guy

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

Yes that is the guy and the video I was talking about. Thanks.

And now they are saying he is the one saying something about the suitcase?

imo

[Ice Cycle]

ok, that creepy guy we saw yesterday at the presser that i said looked suspisicous, he didn't have a thick mustache did he?

No but their was a guy someone posted a picture of talking to someone (press I think) who was heavy set and had a mustache. He had reported something early on in this case.

[koawally]

watch the show the family was on was there a williams letting the Pastor in the church??big scuffy guy

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30132729#30132729

This fellow IS creepy

[aproudmom]

Yes that is the guy and the video I was talking about. Thanks.

And now they are saying he is the one saying something about the suitcase?

imo

yep just could not post it until I found the media link since can not post another forum on here

[juliekan]

Wow!! That does not sound good. Description definitely matches!! Does anyone know where he lives?

I just still don't understand why the tipster wouldn't have reported seeing the missing girl, the day he saw them. She was obviously still alive at that point - he possibly could have saved her life.

At a PC, they asked the detective why the tip of a man with a girl in a boat was not followed up on. He said they have to work with the best , then next best, and then the next best tips. He said that that was all the info the man had, no identifying clues (boat number, etc.) that would give them a way to start searching. I would guess the man called the tip in earlier, then after seeing someone on the tv, may think he recognizes them. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

http://ow.ly/2sDc
Pic of a fellow who fits the description here(heavyset, dark stash)


News: Note recovered by Crime Scene Investigation unit • Man claims he knows who killed Sandra.

So did Williams leave this note?

imoo

[sammy62]

I have a problem with that church having a rummage sale. Would a church with 20 members and a 70 year old pastor have a garage sale?

Just because the suitcase was stolen from a rummage sale...It could have been any church's sale. JMO

[kalesdan]

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/index.htm

church site
he attended seminary

Honestly I don't see what people were calling strange doctrine. Everything looks like normal Baptist teachings and beliefs to me.

Now I do find it intriguing that he was baptized on July 9 1960 in Wenanchee WASHINGTON and married on July 9 1960 in Modesto California...

[dgfred]

I too am curious about the members list being 'under construction'.

I wonder if it has ever been up showing the members before this happened?

[dgfred]

Why not? if they are trying to raise money for the church (or whatever) why not have a rummage sale?

Why not just state who donated the suitcase for sale? That person should be a suspect then, and anyone associated with the church.

[koawally]

News: Note recovered by Crime Scene Investigation unit • Man claims he knows who killed Sandra.

So did Williams leave this note?

imoo

No the note was left by someone upset like we all are. Something like From Sandra to the killer...you will get your's type thing.

There is a dark skinned man that states he had previously been in contact with LE about seeing Sandra on a boat with a fellow who was heavyset with a stash...and while watching an update on this case saw a man being interviewed on the news as THE MAN he says he saw with Sandra---->it appears to be --->the fellow at the church who was locking up the church after LE went though

[juliekan]

FOX40 NEWS: Sources have told FOX40 that an arrest in the Sandra Cantu case may be coming today. Unconfirmed 3 minutes ago.

from the twitter site, which tossed me off and said it was overloaded.

[aproudmom]

thanks mom, i think i'm loosing my mind.

me to ...I am already there

[koawally]

Well I hope the Today show and Matt Lower enjoy the money the profited off of having Sandra's obviously mentally distressed mother on their show.

There's something that boarders on sadistic to place that mother on the national news like a freak show and then go over the details with her right there. How would Matt like it if his child were murdered and then days later he was being asked these same questions.

I would'a thrown my shoe at him.

In watching that Today show video with the guy at the church letting the pasture in all I can say is it's a wonder there aren't more children missing in that trailer park. Hollywood couldn't have picked a stranger cast of characters.

Seems like everytime a new video comes out I have to add someone to my list of suspects. Must be a daunting task for law enforcement.

Your absolutely right Charlie...It was so wrong to have interviewed Sandra's Mother in her grief...TRASH REPORTING for sure!!

[NikkiG77058]

He has stated he told LE right away but they never called him back. They seem to dismiss his tip for some reason.

Now I am wondering if Freddie Williams all along has lied about the stolen luggage and maybe he helped move her body and used the suitcase that was in the church for the rummage sale.

imo

OMG!! That is NOT good...this Freddie guy totally sets my hinky meter off but I didn't think he was responsible for Sandra's disappearance. Now I'm not so sure...

Good to see you, Ocean!

[aproudmom]

FOX40 NEWS: Sources have told FOX40 that an arrest in the Sandra Cantu case may be coming today. Unconfirmed 3 minutes ago.

from the twitter site, which tossed me off and said it was overloaded.

omg let me know i dont have twitter up

[lune3]

um, this DOES LOOK LIKE THE SUSPICOUS LOOKING DUDE YESTERDAY YOU GUYS!!!!

If you mean the hooded guy in the PC, no. He was short, appeared slight in stature, and was bearded, untrimmed beard.

[GentleBreeze]

No the note was left by someone upset like we all are. Something like From Sandra to the killer...you will get your's type thing.

There is a dark skinned man that states he had previously been in contact with LE about seeing Sandra on a boat with a fellow who was heavyset with a stash...and while watching an update on this case saw a man being interviewed on the news as THE MAN he says he saw with Sandra---->it appears to be --->the fellow at the church who was locking up the church after LE went though

Ok, thanks.

I thought since LE seemed to be ignoring this man he came all the way from Oakland and perhaps left the sealed note knowing the family would turn it over to LE and he was stating that he knew who the killer of Sandra was. Maybe in the note he talked to the killer and told him he knew who he was.

imo

[dgfred]

Your absolutely right Charlie...It was so wrong to have interviewed Sandra's Mother in her grief...TRASH REPORTING for sure!!


Can we film the operation, is the head dead yet?
Get the widow on the set.
Give us 'Dirty Laundry'

[koawally]

FOX40 NEWS: Sources have told FOX40 that an arrest in the Sandra Cantu case may be coming today. Unconfirmed 3 minutes ago.

from the twitter site, which tossed me off and said it was overloaded.

Thanks Julie for the update.

I wonder if it's the creepy fellow from the church??

Prayers for Sandra's Family

[aproudmom]

http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/988/reftab/36/t/Police-Seize-Suspicious-Envelope-Found-at-Memorial-for-Sandra-Cantu/Default.aspx

TRACY (KRON) -- Tracy police are examining the contents of an envelope found Thursday morning at the memorial for eight-year old Sandra Cantu.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman says the outside of the envelope read "From Sandra to my killer." Investigators aren't yet sure if the note is connected to the girl's disappearance and murder.

Sgt. Sheneman says authorities are continuing to follow leads developed over the last several days. He says investigators "have not focused on any one individual."

[threesnugbugs]

I too am curious about the members list being 'under construction'.

I wonder if it has ever been up showing the members before this happened?


I looked at the site the second the church was mentioned, but well before they named names. So, sometime of the day of the finding of the suitcase. There were no names listed(under construction) and several other areas were under construction. By the looks of the website, no one would have gotten to it that quickly (at the time I looked) to shut areas down.

[koawally]

I was thinking the suspicious looking guy standing behind the SGT. giving the PC was a short thin man with beard and mustache. I could be wrong.


Yeppers for sure he is another creepy fellow.

But for some reason I think it's more likely the other creepy fellow who locks up the church. He makes my hair stand up

[lune3]

Sorry lune, I posted before reading yours.

Not a problem. It confirmed that I remembered correctly lol.

[GentleBreeze]

OMG!! That is NOT good...this Freddie guy totally sets my hinky meter off but I didn't think he was responsible for Sandra's disappearance. Now I'm not so sure...

Good to see you, Ocean!

LTNS Nikki! Good to see you too.:smile:

I know, I am bouncing back and forth on this sad case too. It moves at such a fast pace and more and more possibles are coming out of the woodwork.

He sure is creepy even though he really may be telling the truth.

LE never denied knowing about the "rumor" concerning the luggage they just said they can't confirm that and that actually means they wont confirm one way or the other.

imo

[Dogmatic]

I have a problem with that church having a rummage sale. Would a church with 20 members and a 70 year old pastor have a garage sale?

Just because the suitcase was stolen from a rummage sale...It could have been any church's sale. JMO

Small churches in my area have rummage sales all the time. They ask for item donations from congregation members and anyone that the congregation might know. Most of the proceeds usually go toward sponsoring summer camps etc for kids.

Sometimes the ones in our area do them to benefit a particular family that has fallen on hard times. (child with cancer, home burned down, etc)

[koawally]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/#more-978

At this site..take a look at the map about half way down page..you get an idea of where this Fred guy lives in comparision to Sandra.

Also, there was no report of a stolen suitcase..but there was a report of a purse stolen across the street from Mr. Fred.

We may have found our #1 POI.

This is the creepy fellow that makes my hair stand up. This is the fellow I think will be arrested for the murder of Sandra. IMO

[aproudmom]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/#more-978

At this site..take a look at the map about half way down page..you get an idea of where this Fred guy lives in comparision to Sandra.

Also, there was no report of a stolen suitcase..but there was a report of a purse stolen across the street from Mr. Fred.

We may have found our #1 POI.

saw that earlier does he not have a record and his wife..plus his hair looked diff to me...jmo

[Track292003]

A quick note:

IIRC, Mr. Johnny Williams from oakland did NOT say he saw the man and the girl in a boat where Sandra was FOUND. He said that he'd seen them in an area where police were SEARCHING! And they did search bodies of water.

[GentleBreeze]

saw that earlier does he not have a record and his wife..plus his hair looked diff to me...jmo

From the same "blink on crime" site.

It states this:

"Fred L Williams, self proclaimed member of the Clover Baptist Church and his wife, Anita M, have an extensive criminal history which includes suspended drivers licenses, drug posession, and worse. I am not listing them specifically as it has not been determined to be relevant to Sandra’s disappearance. They appear to have previous addresses in Oakland and Oakdale as well."

Now I dont know if any of this is true but.........

imo

[lune3]

This is the creepy fellow that makes my hair stand up. This is the fellow I think will be arrested for the murder of Sandra. IMO

Plus this guy evidently has a key to the church, and shed no doubt. Yikes. I wonder.

[texasgal]

Now I do find it intriguing that he was baptized on July 9 1960 in Wenanchee WASHINGTON and married on July 9 1960 in Modesto California...


LOL .. I noticed that too ..

[Destini]

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?ONLY-ON-FOX40-Man-Says-He-Knows-Who-Kill=1&blockID=262627&feedID=2674#comment_name262627

If you listen to the video at this link, this Johnny Williams says he saw a man and a girl that looked like Sandra last Thursday in a boat. Nowhere is it being addressed WHERE the boat was. He first called in his tip last Friday.

He says if she died before April 2, then he is wrong, but if they determine she died after April 2 then he knows who did it.

He says he saw the man talking with media the day after Sandra's body was found. So who was interviewed that day that was heavyset with a thick mustache?

What I find interesting is he brought up the boat thing before she was found, before anyone had any idea she would be found in water. How far is Oakland from this area? Why is he not saying where he saw this?

[lune3]

I wonder, this Johnny Williams who called the tip in....he seems so sure, is really pursuing this. He may be credible.

If so, what could this mean? That Fred took Sandra for an "outing"? Where does the suitcase come in, he already had it in his car? Premeditated? I don't think this boat sighting, if true, was at the irrigation pond (plus that's not what Johnny said anyway)

Could it be that Fred planned to kill her at that other water body but got spooked, saw Johnny, and then took Sandra away from there, killed her elsewhere and then took her to the irrigation pond in the suitcase?

Just trying to figure out a scenario, if this guy is indeed the perp.

[darjeeling]

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?ONLY-ON-FOX40-Man-Says-He-Knows-Who-Kill=1&blockID=262627&feedID=2674#comment_name262627

If you listen to the video at this link, this Johnny Williams says he saw a man and a girl that looked like Sandra last Thursday in a boat. Nowhere is it being addressed WHERE the boat was. He first called in his tip last Friday.

He says if she died before April 2, then he is wrong, but if they determine she died after April 2 then he knows who did it.

He says he saw the man talking with media the day after Sandra's body was found. So who was interviewed that day that was heavyset with a thick mustache?

What I find interesting is he brought up the boat thing before she was found, before anyone had any idea she would be found in water. How far is Oakland from this area? Why is he not saying where he saw this?

Oakland is over an hour away from Tracy.
His tip sure sounds interesting but I'm sure there is a good reason why the police weren't jumping all over it. There is also the little incentive of the reward money so he may have convinced himself that he has a credible tip. Whether it is, we will have to see.

[aproudmom]

From the same "blink on crime" site.

It states this:

Fred L Williams, self proclaimed member of the Clover Baptist Church and his wife, Anita M, have an extensive criminal history which includes suspended drivers licenses, drug posession, and worse. I am not listing them specifically as it has not been determined to be relevant to Sandra’s disappearance. They appear to have previous addresses in Oakland and Oakdale as well.

Now I dont know if any of this is true but.........

imo

yeah and then on the show this morning I saw him again and the one guy said he saw a scruffy bigger guy right? I would like to know whos place they did search in oakdale there was a boat there and a canoe was mentioned but that tied to CS. did you see the pics of him and the pastor and then the pic of him on blink..hair looks diff..to me...maybe my eyes..

the only reason I think it could be correct is I have heard a boat was checked.. and did someone get scared off and not do what ever they were doing at that time..her scent was picked up at some river right???omg I am losing it for some reason I think there is more than 1 or it is CS..I dont know..I dont know where to look for more information....just real odd church then he is pointed out by this tipster right..ok I give up GB I am losing it..awwwww

[dgfred]

The grandfather did say she was going to go the movies or church, then didn't have enough money for the movies. Did she go the the church anyway? Did she run into someone at the church? Did that person do something to her, panic, then grab something (suitcase for rummage sale) of opportunity to put her in? Why look at the shed?
The church guy would have a key to the church and shed, might have been hanging around there and was overcome by urges and opportunity. Seems very feasible.

[GentleBreeze]

I wonder, this Johnny Williams who called the tip in....he seems so sure, is really pursuing this. He may be credible.

If so, what could this mean? That Fred took Sandra for an "outing"? Where does the suitcase come in, he already had it in his car? Premeditated? I don't think this boat sighting, if true, was at the irrigation pond (plus that's not what Johnny said anyway)

Could it be that Fred planned to kill her at that other water body but got spooked, saw Johnny, and then took Sandra away from there, killed her elsewhere and then took her to the irrigation pond in the suitcase?

Just trying to figure out a scenario, if this guy is indeed the perp.

I found him to be very credible and very concerned.

He is doing the right thing and he even says if they determine Sandra died before April 2nd then he is wrong.

Or if they can tell how long she had been in that water.

It seems to be eating at him and that is understandable. They do need to check it out and then he can breathe a sigh of relief that he did his part and it wasn't Sandra and the mustached man that day.

imo

[omsk99]

Well I hope the Today show and Matt Lower enjoy the money the profited off of having Sandra's obviously mentally distressed mother on their show.

There's something that boarders on sadistic to place that mother on the national news like a freak show and then go over the details with her right there. How would Matt like it if his child were murdered and then days later he was being asked these same questions.

I would'a thrown my shoe at him.

In watching that Today show video with the guy at the church letting the pasture in all I can say is it's a wonder there aren't more children missing in that trailer park. Hollywood couldn't have picked a stranger cast of characters.

Seems like everytime a new video comes out I have to add someone to my list of suspects. Must be a daunting task for law enforcement.


First of all, it's Matt Lauer (and I only underline it because you did as a correction to someone before?..). Second, I think Maria, the Mom, had a choice and she wanted to be there, IMO showing support for LE and everyone involved in the investigation. And you know, some people would be asking why she hasn't been on TV if she didn't appear on the show, and so on...

I think Matt Lauer was as delicate and sensitive as possible, and I could tell he was pained by their grief as well. I don't know about the money they will make on this, it's all over the news as it is. JMO

[singingbird]

Oakdale, Oakland, Westside, Eastside.....LOL it's all good you guys! :)

sorry LOL I am not so good at describing the area I am trying to explain. In this specific case it is the tracy area west and south that caught my attention. I watched and waited to see where the dogs would go and where LE would start their searching. Once I saw their locations I jumped in here full force. It is my belief WHITEHALL was no random place. Someone picked that are for a reason. It is also my belief they were not ready for her body to be found and this was to be a tempory place to put her. But things went wrong. So they had to act quickly. Had they not found Sandra when they did I believe her body would have been moved.

I also worry the person/people responisible might be wanting to grab some other victim in the next few days.

I hope I am not sounding crazy by now.

I have watched this kind of thing going on for some time now.

It might very well turn out sandra's case is not on this line, but all along it certainly is "following the pattern". I suspect the police have thought about this also? If not, and if they are not sure yet who did this, they need to start looking at this case in a different way.

I've been waiting and watching this unfold before I really get into this. I don't want people to :thumbdown: me off the board and go :huh:

[aproudmom]

Oakland is over an hour away from Tracy.
His tip sure sounds interesting but I'm sure there is a good reason why the police weren't jumping all over it. There is also the little incentive of the reward money so he may have convinced himself that he has a credible tip. Whether it is, we will have to see.

but CS was linked to one address in oakdale the reporter talked to neighbors they said they dug and looked in a boat and would not tell them why they were there then they saw a silver mercedes on TV that they had seen at this home in oakdale. One neighbor did not want to be on camera they also said they had seen the car there before.. I am thinking if you look in white pages it will give you the info on addresses not real sure..

I am stuck on CS for some reason but just cause I have not searched out this other guy. even though some have on other forums..it is odd this tipster was angry they had not followed up on his tip and then after seeing williams on TV he drove there right and said it looked like the same guy...I dont know..

[koawally]

First of all, it's Matt Lauer (and I only underline it because you did as a correction to someone before?..). Second, I think Maria, the Mom, had a choice and she wanted to be there, IMO showing support for LE and everyone involved in the investigation. And you know, some people would be asking why she hasn't been on TV if she didn't appear on the show, and so on...

I think Matt Lauer was as delicate and sensitive as possible, and I could tell he was pained by their grief as well. I don't know about the money they will make on this, it's all over the news as it is. JMO

:thumbdown: Trash Reporting!! Leave grieving families alone FGS

Anything for ratings((shame on them))

[cutiepatootie61]

First of all, it's Matt Lauer (and I only underline it because you did as a correction to someone before?..). Second, I think Maria, the Mom, had a choice and she wanted to be there, IMO showing support for LE and everyone involved in the investigation. And you know, some people would be asking why she hasn't been on TV if she didn't appear on the show, and so on...

I think Matt Lauer was as delicate and sensitive as possible, and I could tell he was pained by their grief as well. I don't know about the money they will make on this, it's all over the news as it is. JMO


agreed... In the interview Matt states (paraphrasing) I know Maria, you wanted to say something in support of the LE, ..... It seemed to me that the family were the ones behind the interview in their attempt to publicly thank the LE and community for all the support. I don't believe that the Today show hunted this family down and tricked them into appearing this morning. Even if they had, as you say, they could just as easily declined an appearance. imo

[lune3]

This Fred guy...I'm really wondering. He IS connected to that church. Has a key. Access to the rummage sale stuff. Back to Monday night and this immediate focus on the church and its pastor... there had to have been a significant connection.
I wonder if Sandra knew and trusted this guy. Is this the same guy who has a boat or canoe?

[GentleBreeze]

Are they going to have another PC today?

3:30 Pacific?

tia

[GentleBreeze]

This Fred guy...I'm really wondering. He IS connected to that church. Has a key. Access to the rummage sale stuff. Back to Monday night and this immediate focus on the church and its pastor... there had to have been a significant connection.
I wonder if Sandra knew and trusted this guy. Is this the same guy who has a boat or canoe?

I wonder if Sinclair and Williams know each other and if they do, how well?


imo

[singingbird]

Just curious ... what is your theory?

sorry just now catching up, went to eat lunch.

my theory is "out of the box" to many so I will just say what I feel comfortable saying in accordance with how things unfold. Basically, I believe there is/are person/persons in that area who are responsible for murders which fit a specific pattern. Whether or not Sandra's case is one of those, I am not sure, but I have suspected it from the beginning and the more that goes on the more it seems to be so.

Sandra may very well be a victim of person/persons who have been in that area for a very long time. Their crimes are predictible and I watch for the patterns. When I see the patterns I can pretty much tell where it is going.

She was found in one of the main predictible areas. The gloves did not supprise me at all, however, I am not sure why they were WHERE they were. Maybe these are the wrong gloves? I don't know

The pond did not supprise me at all, especially the kind of pond. Very typical. The whole church thing does not supprise me at all either.

The direction the police went in from the beginning does not supprise me either. It is exactly the very places I would have looked.

I do have a few other things I would be looking for that have not popped up yet. Of course there is nothing I can do but watch and wait. If I really thought someone would "listen" I would have no problem telling them what I think ...but... most likely the response would be :rolleyes:

[IlliniFan]

This Fred guy...I'm really wondering. He IS connected to that church. Has a key. Access to the rummage sale stuff. Back to Monday night and this immediate focus on the church and its pastor... there had to have been a significant connection.
I wonder if Sandra knew and trusted this guy. Is this the same guy who has a boat or canoe?

Sure does make one wonder, huh? I also wonder if Sandra and the pastor's great-grand child/ren that she played with, often went to the church to play. Most churches will have games/toys, etc?

Since the guy has a key, I wonder if he is the handyman or something?

I'm trying to catch up, been cleaning...etc..

[omsk99]

~snip (my bolding)

"TRACY, CA - The heartbreaking discovery of Sandra Cantu's remains in an irrigation pond also means extra difficulty in the murder investigation, according to CSI experts.

"Time and the elements are the worst enemy for CSI," one crime scene investigation expert told News10. "You don't know how much time has passed. Time deteriorates evidence. If it's underwater, that dilutes and compromises evidence like DNA."

The 8-year-old vanished on March 27, with her body not found and recovered until 10 days later. While it's unknown how long she was alive, few child kidnapping victims survive much longer than 24 or 48 hours after being abducted, experts say.

Complicating matters in this case is the likelihood the murder happened in a different location from where the body was found inside a suitcase that had been dumped underwater. Another complication is the suitcase was apparently dumped into the pond at a different point than where it was discovered."


http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57551&catid=2

Interesting... Have to admit I don't know much about water currents, but I would imagine there aren't any in a pond? :read:

ETA: Don't know how I missed it the first time, but my question is answered just a few sentences into the article:

"He said a worker moved it to the edge of the pond and then called authorities. "

[omsk99]

:thumbdown: Trash Reporting!! Leave grieving families alone FGS

Anything for ratings((shame on them))

I don't want to continue this argument, but the family always has a choice to appear on TV or not. They chose to do so, and I respect their decision, whatever it might be. JMO

[dgfred]

Draining the pond would cause the case to move. That shouldn't be a problem anyway... since they could probably figure out at what point it WAS put into the water.

[omsk99]

agreed... In the interview Matt states (paraphrasing) I know Maria, you wanted to say something in support of the LE, ..... It seemed to me that the family were the ones behind the interview in their attempt to publicly thank the LE and community for all the support. I don't believe that the Today show hunted this family down and tricked them into appearing this morning. Even if they had, as you say, they could just as easily declined an appearance. imo

Very well said, ITA

[~jomomma~]

where does fred williams live?

[lune3]

I wonder if Sinclair and Williams know each other and if they do, how well?


imo

Both these guys make me suspicious.

Sinclair, because he spent so much time with Sandra. That coupled with the fact he was belligerent and drunk that time when LE came to his house, .....time with an 8 year old, living nearby, and a volatile personality and drinking don't make a good combination.

[bama__angel]

sorry just now catching up, went to eat lunch.

my theory is "out of the box" to many so I will just say what I feel comfortable saying in accordance with how things unfold. Basically, I believe there is/are person/persons in that area who are responsible for murders which fit a specific pattern. Whether or not Sandra's case is one of those, I am not sure, but I have suspected it from the beginning and the more that goes on the more it seems to be so.

Sandra may very well be a victim of person/persons who have been in that area for a very long time. Their crimes are predictible and I watch for the patterns. When I see the patterns I can pretty much tell where it is going.

She was found in one of the main predictible areas. The gloves did not supprise me at all, however, I am not sure why they were WHERE they were. Maybe these are the wrong gloves? I don't know

The pond did not supprise me at all, especially the kind of pond. Very typical. The whole church thing does not supprise me at all either.

The direction the police went in from the beginning does not supprise me either. It is exactly the very places I would have looked.

I do have a few other things I would be looking for that have not popped up yet. Of course there is nothing I can do but watch and wait. If I really thought someone would "listen" I would have no problem telling them what I think ...but... most likely the response would be :rolleyes:

I would love to hear your thoughts......and I will not:rolleyes:

[GentleBreeze]

~snip (my bolding)

"TRACY, CA - The heartbreaking discovery of Sandra Cantu's remains in an irrigation pond also means extra difficulty in the murder investigation, according to CSI experts.

"Time and the elements are the worst enemy for CSI," one crime scene investigation expert told News10. "You don't know how much time has passed. Time deteriorates evidence. If it's underwater, that dilutes and compromises evidence like DNA."

The 8-year-old vanished on March 27, with her body not found and recovered until 10 days later. While it's unknown how long she was alive, few child kidnapping victims survive much longer than 24 or 48 hours after being abducted, experts say.

Complicating matters in this case is the likelihood the murder happened in a different location from where the body was found inside a suitcase that had been dumped underwater. Another complication is the suitcase was apparently dumped into the pond at a different point than where it was discovered."


http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57551&catid=2

Interesting... Have to admit I don't know much about water currents, but I would imagine there aren't any in a pond? :read:

I dont think where it was originally located will be a problem. I am sure each and everyone of the workers there that saw it floating knew exactly where it was when they saw it when it was pulled over to the side of the pond where the water level had already dropped down.

They also kept stressing that the bag was sealed so this may help to retain some of the evidence.

imoo

[IlliniFan]

I would like to hear your theories, too.

[merical]

Both these guys make me suspicious.

Sinclair, because he spent so much time with Sandra. That coupled with the fact he was belligerent and drunk that time when LE came to his house, .....time with an 8 year old, living nearby, and a volatile personality and drinking don't make a good combination.

I know Sinclair lives in the MHP, does Fred Williams? It seems a bit cozy that Sinclair, Slayter and the pastor live in the same park as Sandra and that this Fred Williams has a key to said church, whether he lives in the park or not. Something is hinky. Big time.

[lune3]

~snip (my bolding)

(snipped)
Another complication is the suitcase was apparently dumped into the pond at a different point than where it was discovered."


http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57551&catid=2

Interesting... Have to admit I don't know much about water currents, but I would imagine there aren't any in a pond? :read:

The suitcase was dragged to the berm by the farmworkers. On Monday, in the aerial live feed, agents spent a lot of time, and photographed tracks, on that dirt strip between the ponds.I got an impression there may have been indication that the suitcase was dumped in on that side rather than the area parallel to the main road.

[titanfan217]

IMO...Baptist are kinda divided into 3 different groups with different doctrines......Southern Baptist, Missionary Baptist, and Primitive Baptist...

I just did a search wikipedia and there was a list of the various Baptist churches, and USA covered at least 2 screens, but I imagine your list might be the main ones. Do you know where American Baptist fits in?

[omsk99]

I wasn't sure I wanted to mention this, but the article I posted above has photos of the suitcase before it was taken out of the pond (on the right). I know a lot of us wanted to see an image of it, but maybe not the way it is there, as we know what's inside :sad:

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57551&catid=2

[lune3]

I wasn't sure I wanted to mention this, but the article I posted above has photos of the suitcase before it was taken out of the pond (on the right). I know a lot of us wanted to see an image of it, but maybe not the way it is there, as we know what's inside :sad:

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57551&catid=2

It was just awful watching the live feed Monday. The helicopter camera really zoomed in on that suitcase.

[bama__angel]

I just did a search wikipedia and there was a list of the various Baptist churches, and USA covered at least 2 screens, but I imagine your list might be the main ones. Do you know where American Baptist fits in?



No, I'm sorry I dont know about American Baptist.......but I am going to do some research as soon as I can.....

[lune3]

I don't think it's been said, yet. He's the one who first said a black suitcase was stolen that was intended for a church rummage sale. hm? Here's a link to some of his statements if you need it. No matter who they arrest it's going to shock me just to think a human being could do this. It's such a chillingly awful crime.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Spotlight-on-Suitcase-in-Tracy-Girls-Disappearance-Death.html

Since this church has such a small congregation, and if it can be reasonably assumed that members just come on Sundays, and that there was no service last Sunday.....who else could have stolen that suitcase? Assuming that the rummage sale stuff was inside the church, and that indeed it was stolen from there, the probability seems kind of high that a man with a key would have taken it. That leaves only a couple of people I think.

[aproudmom]

Anita Williams is she the wife? anyone know?the williams that said the luggage was stolen from? ok this is all I can get on these 2 names..I give up

Anita Marie Williams
Fred Williams
http://preview.ussearch.com/preview/ala/newsearch?&searchLName=WILLIAMS&searchState=CA&searchCity=Lodi&searchFName=FRED&adID=009-0000000031&adsource=9&TID=0&cid=people&searchtab=people


http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/ala/category.do?cid=5105&did=&searchtab=people&searchFName=Fred&searchMName=&searchLName=Williams&searchPerson=002719411711

Address History for Fred Williams includes the following citie(s):
4 addresses in TRACY CA
4 addresses in SAN JOSE CA
1 address in LODI CA
1 address in STOCKTON CA
1 address in SANTA CLARA CA
1 address in INDIANAPOLIS IN

[koawally]

I don't want to continue this argument, but the family always has a choice to appear on TV or not. They chose to do so, and I respect their decision, whatever it might be. JMO

No argument with you in my last post with my opinion of media having the Mother on TV. I simply disagreed with you stating to you, it WAS irresponsibe reporting.

I do take issue with you now. You post a link of lil Sandy IN the suitcase. It would be nice to see the news take this video off TV especially knowing that precious child is in there.

Nobody needs to visualize the horror including her Family.

[BevAnn]

Fred Williams statements about the suitcase, imho, puts the spotlight directly on HIM.

The LE has said that what he stated about it being reported to police as stolen was not correct.

Why in the world would he say that then?

He makes me go hhhmmm.... :huh:

[omsk99]

Since this church has such a small congregation, and if it can be reasonably assumed that members just come on Sundays, and that there was no service last Sunday.....who else could have stolen that suitcase? Assuming that the rummage sale stuff was inside the church, and that indeed it was stolen from there, the probability seems kind of high that a man with a key would have taken it.

The thing is, we don't even know if the suitcase was stolen at all, and if it was, from where (car back seat, car trunk, inside the church). It might turn out it was never stolen, just taken from the home of whoever did this. I think if it was recently purchased, someone from the store/market/etc would have contacted LE about it.

I think this suitcase holds a lot of answers, and I am curious as to why LE can't identify the brand (did someone take time to cut off all the labels & tags, break anything plastic that had any kind of a monogram?..)

[merical]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/s...mber/#more-978

See about half way down the page.

Thanks! So he's not a resident of the park but he does live awfully close to where a bag/purse/etc was stolen. And he works at the church, has a key and obviously, therefore, knows the Pastor. The mobile home park is fairly close to the church, as well. Plus, he's got a criminal history, as does the wife. Hmmm. Interesting, to say the least.

[~jomomma~]

OMG, I just read your signature line.

Here's the link Alwill directed us to. The first link directs you to the 2nd link here, if you click on Fred William's name. The second link has a map showing his house location & the church and where the theft from vehicle allegedly occured (according to fred). Whoa.

http://blinkoncrime.com/category/missing-child/sandra-cantu/

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/08/sandra-cantu-investigation-suitcase-reported-stolen-by-church-member/#more-978

thanks!! and thank you Alwill!!!!

[omsk99]

No argument with you in my last post with my opinion of media having the Mother on TV. I simply disagreed with you stating to you, it WAS irresponsibe reporting.

I do take issue with you now. You post a link of lil Sandy IN the suitcase. It would be nice to see the news take this video off TV especially knowing that precious child is in there.

Nobody needs to visualize the horror including her Family.

Regarding the photos... We've discussed the suitcase and many of us wanted to see what it looks like, I guess to figure out what brand it was or where it could have come from. Unfortunately, there are no other images, and which is why I hesitated to point out that the article I originally posted (for the text content) had those images.

Sorry you have issues with it. I do, too. However, I don't think it's much worse than everything else we have been discussing here and what's been reported in the media. The image is not as bad as what we already known has or might have happened. IMO.

ETA: I edited my post to delete the first sentence after I re-read your post.

[kalesdan]

Since this church has such a small congregation, and if it can be reasonably assumed that members just come on Sundays, and that there was no service last Sunday.....who else could have stolen that suitcase? Assuming that the rummage sale stuff was inside the church, and that indeed it was stolen from there, the probability seems kind of high that a man with a key would have taken it. That leaves only a couple of people I think.

There was no service on Sunday? That seems odd since it was Palm Sunday.

[koawally]

Originally Posted by Alwill9
Ok..found this.....

Chris Sinclair is the son of the owners of the residence, Mr. and Mrs. Sammie and Conrad Sinclair,ages 76 and 71 respectively. Chris’s brother Brandon committed suicide in 2004 due to depression over a job injury claim, and is believed to be the owner of the license plate on the Isuzu Trooper registered in Wyoming. In addition to impounding the cars, agents searched 4 park residences and 2 other homes; one in Tracy and one in Oakland, CA. A source inside the investigation has confirmed to blinkoncrime that men’s hair coloring and evidence of someone cutting off longer hair was found, leading to the initial warrants for additional searches last evening.
Sgt Shenemen also confirmed to Blinkoncrime.com Sandra Cantu’s Mother was asked for some of Sandra’s personal effects, such as a tooth brush, hair brush, and pillow cases and those items have been sent to the FBI lab for processing.

There are a total of 4 cars that have been sent to the FBI impound lab in this case. Two from Sinclair, one from Wohler, and a late model grey Mercedes from an undisclosed ownerwithin the Orchard Estates Mobile home park.
--------------------------------------------------------
:rolleyes: yeah right.....Cobra working this case too?

that men’s hair coloring and evidence of someone cutting off longer hair was found, leading to the initial warrants for additional searches last evening.

Oh my, what exactly does the above mean?

Mens Hair coloring???

Could someone have cut Sandra's hair???

Thats so strange, wonder exactly what it means:crying:

[lune3]

The thing is, we don't even know if the suitcase was stolen at all, and if it was, from where (car back seat, car trunk, inside the church). It might turn out it was never stolen, just taken from the home of whoever did this. I think if it was recently purchased, someone from the store/market/etc would have contacted LE about it.

I think this suitcase holds a lot of answers, and I am curious as to why LE can't identify the brand (did someone take time to cut off all the labels & tags, break anything plastic that had any kind of a monogram?..)

I agree the suitcase holds answers. LE is keeping so close mouthed about the origins of that suitcase (stolen/not stolen etc?) that I think they have a good idea.
Plus wasn't there that report a couple of days ago it was stolen from Melissa Lawless (Huckaby's) KIA? We haven't heard anything more about the seizing of the KIA.

[bama__angel]

There was no service on Sunday? That seems odd since it was Palm Sunday.


Odd came to my mind also......I had thought perhaps services were cancelled on Sunday for everyone to participate in searches for Sandra...

[aproudmom]

omg:ohmy:
Sorry O/T I just saw my Uncle and cousin in Pa on live stream
for the 3 fallen officers. I got to call his butt I seen Ohio PD was there did not know Indiana SP was...ok sorry I was shocked..
http://www.wpxi.com/video/19136484/index.html

please pray for these families they were shot going to a domestic abuse call..4 shot 3 died...

well I guess no news on a arrest yet..I just wish they would arrest someone and bring Sandra JUSTICE.....

[blestw4]

If you don't mind what news stations are following this story pretty closely? I have tried finding updates on the news off and on today and so far have seen nothing. I get more info here it seems.

[omsk99]

I agree the suitcase holds answers. LE is keeping so close mouthed about the origins of that suitcase (stolen/not stolen etc?) that I think they have a good idea.
Plus wasn't there that report a couple of days ago it was stolen from Melissa Lawless (Huckaby's) KIA? We haven't heard anything more about the seizing of the KIA.

I think we might have assumed that her Kia was searched for that reason, but of course, nothing was confirmed or reported about it.

I agree with you, I think LE know a lot more about this suitcase than what they are saying (just like about the rest of the case).

[bama__angel]

that men’s hair coloring and evidence of someone cutting off longer hair was found, leading to the initial warrants for additional searches last evening.

Oh my, what exactly does the above mean?

Mens Hair coloring???

Could someone have cut Sandra's hair???

Thats so strange, wonder exactly what it means:crying:

I would think that maybe someone cut their own hair and colored it to change their appearance.....JMO

[lune3]

that men’s hair coloring and evidence of someone cutting off longer hair was found, leading to the initial warrants for additional searches last evening.

Oh my, what exactly does the above mean?

Mens Hair coloring???

Could someone have cut Sandra's hair???

Thats so strange, wonder exactly what it means:crying:

Don't know if there's indeed any connection, but they did look into it if it can be assumed it was the reason for LE requesting hairbrushes.
If Sandra's hair was cut and dyed, it points to very alarming conclusions.

[omsk99]

If you don't mind what news stations are following this story pretty closely? I have tried finding updates on the news off and on today and so far have seen nothing. I get more info here it seems.

This one has very frequent updates:

www.fox40.com

[koawally]

Regarding the photos... We've discussed the suitcase and many of us wanted to see what it looks like, I guess to figure out what brand it was or where it could have come from. Unfortunately, there are no other images, and which is why I hesitated to point out that the article I originally posted (for the text content) had those images.

Sorry you have issues with it. I do, too. However, I don't think it's much worse than everything else we have been discussing here and what's been reported in the media. The image is not as bad as what we already known has or might have happened. IMO.

ETA: I edited my post to delete the first sentence after I re-read your post.

K-enough said.!! I am the one that said trash reporting, my opinion.

The image is heartbreaking...there's a dead child in that suitcase...what parent would okay seeing that.
These parents should be spared from such heartaches. The news should learn to be more considerate of GRIEVING families.

nuff said. We differ in opinions no big deal.

[blestw4]

This one has very frequent updates:

www.fox40.com

Thank you. I have been switching between cable news channels.

[lune3]

K-enough said.!! I am the one that said trash reporting, my opinion.

The image is heartbreaking...there's a dead child in that suitcase...what parent would okay seeing that.
These parents should be spared from such heartaches. The news should learn to be more considerate of GRIEVING families.

nuff said. We differ in opinions no big deal.

I was very surprised in fact that they allowed the airing all day of the discovery in progress, suitcase, ME on site, etc. I couldn't believe they allowed a helicopter to film the whole thing.

[omsk99]

K-enough said.!! I am the one that said trash reporting, my opinion.

The image is heartbreaking...there's a dead child in that suitcase...what parent would okay seeing that.
These parents should be spared from such heartaches. The news should learn to be more considerate of GRIEVING families.

nuff said. We differ in opinions no big deal.

Agreed on both counts. I do agree the images shouldn't have been made public, but unfortunately they have been. I also think the family probably already saw them.

Anyway, as you said - let's move on :cool:

[defender123]

Imagine if these nuts are using boats now..
They know there would be no crime scene.
Wash the boat down and evidence all gone.
Thank goodness there is an eye witness.
This puts a whole new spin on things.

[koawally]

what source would tell a website something that they haven't told the public, which the LE hasn't said much but they will tell that website?:blink::rolleyes:

Yes, your right...but lately with twitter, things are said, leaks are made. Not sure if I believe it...but it's scary to think of as being true.

You know news leaks are happening more and more in these cases.

God Bless Sandra's family, must be the worst days of their lives:rose:

[Ice Cycle]

Ok don't know if this link is going to work as I got it from my history, this is from a link to a site someone posted the other day. This guy supposedly talked to media early on and it does not look like the Fred Williams guy but he does have a mustache and is heavy.
Who is this guy. (link might not work).

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/httpcrimecasesforums-free.jpg

[koawally]

Ok don't know if this link is going to work as I got it from my history, this is from a link to a site someone posted the other day. This guy supposedly talked to media early on and it does not look like the Fred Williams guy but he does have a mustache and is heavy.
Who is this guy. (link might not work).

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/httpcrimecasesforums-free.jpg

Interesting Ice Thanks for posting it.

No idea who he is but thats the third guy fitting the description.

Personally, I get the creeps with the fellow that locks up the church.

If anyone see's a new press report can you please post a link. Thanks so much

[lune3]

Interesting Ice Thanks for posting it.

No idea who he is but thats the third guy fitting the description.

Personally, I get the creeps with the fellow that locks up the church.

Guy's in a car, maybe some random person that a reporter asked questions of while parking his car somewhere. I wonder if he lives in the Park.
I'm more concerned with Fred since he has the connection to the church and "reported" the suitcase.
But we don't know which guy Johnny pointed out.

[MOM0F4]

HI everyone i have been reading your posts since last week before they found poor Sandra, I prayed so much hoping for a miracle. I cried all day monday when they found her. I can't imagine what her mom is going though. I have a daughter just about the same age as her a few months diffrence she kind of resembles her. Every time I see her I think of her, how could a little angel like her be gone?

[GentleBreeze]

yeah and then on the show this morning I saw him again and the one guy said he saw a scruffy bigger guy right? I would like to know whos place they did search in oakdale there was a boat there and a canoe was mentioned but that tied to CS. did you see the pics of him and the pastor and then the pic of him on blink..hair looks diff..to me...maybe my eyes..

the only reason I think it could be correct is I have heard a boat was checked.. and did someone get scared off and not do what ever they were doing at that time..her scent was picked up at some river right???omg I am losing it for some reason I think there is more than 1 or it is CS..I don't know..I don't know where to look for more information....just real odd church then he is pointed out by this tipster right..ok I give up GB I am losing it..awwwww

Strange that you mentioned that, mom. Didn't they find hair dye in one of their search warrants and where hair had been clipped.

Williams sure looked different when he was up at the church. His hair looked all messy or spiked up to me. Sort of wild for a man his age.

imoo

[koawally]

Guy's in a car, maybe some random person that a reporter asked questions of while parking his car somewhere. I wonder if he lives in the Park.
I'm more concerned with Fred since he has the connection to the church and "reported" the suitcase.
But we don't know which guy Johnny pointed out.

Hopefully we find out soon. It must be a frightening place to live, with a killer on the loose.

Surely, if there is something to this, we will hear something soon, unless LE is awaiting for forensic results.

[GentleBreeze]

Interesting Ice Thanks for posting it.

No idea who he is but thats the third guy fitting the description.

Personally, I get the creeps with the fellow that locks up the church.

If anyone see's a new press report can you please post a link. Thanks so much

Right and this guy even though he is heavyset his mustache is not as bushy as Williams.

imo

[Ice Cycle]

Guy's in a car, maybe some random person that a reporter asked questions of while parking his car somewhere. I wonder if he lives in the Park.
I'm more concerned with Fred since he has the connection to the church and "reported" the suitcase.
But we don't know which guy Johnny pointed out.


Yes but the reason I posted it is someone here last week pointed out that I believe he stopped to talk with the Media on his own and their was something else about it but I can't recall now, was thinking the picture would jar someone's memory who was discussing it.

[koawally]

HI everyone i have been reading your posts since last week before they found poor Sandra, I prayed so much hoping for a miracle. I cried all day monday when they found her. I can't imagine what her mom is going though. I have a daughter just about the same age as her a few months diffrence she kind of resembles her. Every time I see her I think of her, how could a little angel like her be gone?

Welcome to the boards MOMOF4,

These cases are so hard to deal with, we're always praying for miracles when a darling lil child goes missing.

I pray these type of crimes will outrage us all enough to say ENOUGH NO MORE...OUR CHILDREN COME FIRST and only then perhaps legislation will change with pedophiles being placed behind bars INSTEAD of living in our neighborhoods.

[singingbird]

Imagine if these nuts are using boats now..
They know there would be no crime scene.
Wash the boat down and evidence all gone.
Thank goodness there is an eye witness.
This puts a whole new spin on things.

I have a feeling they have been using boats for awhile. No better way to get to a secluded "island" or place out of hearing or seeing distance.

[juliekan]

That was Williams - that guy with the very weird hair? I don't know why his hair seemed so distracting to me, that I could actually not focus to his words. I kept thinking, is that guy going to be shocked when he sees what his hair is doing - or did he spike up that one tuft on the side of his head on purpose?

In the video where they showed him at the church, I thought the wind was blowing?

[koawally]

That was Williams - that guy with the very weird hair? I don't know why his hair seemed so distracting to me, that I could actually not focus to his words. I kept thinking, is that guy going to be shocked when he sees what his hair is doing - or did he spike up that one tuft on the side of his head on purpose?

my bold.

Interesting Rachel, I never thought of that.

[singingbird]

Ok don't know if this link is going to work as I got it from my history, this is from a link to a site someone posted the other day. This guy supposedly talked to media early on and it does not look like the Fred Williams guy but he does have a mustache and is heavy.
Who is this guy. (link might not work).

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/httpcrimecasesforums-free.jpg

this is the guy(suppose to live in the park) who when the police were stopping vehicles in and out of the park at first.... told the police he wanted to give them a TIP. he said he had noticed a strange person in the mobile home park and after thinking about it, he thought the guy just did not look right. this was 4 days after she went missing that he decided to tell someone.

now this guy is suppose to be pat Anastasio... but when you start looking pat anastasio is the retired high school principal of tracy. There is no pat or patrick anastasio living in the mhp...but there is a MIKE anastasio listed with with his wife vikki fuller who is also vikki anastasio... vikki is also listed with scheena schlytter, who is with just schlytter who is listed in the household of david slayter.

I have access to all the documentation to confirm this.

At this time it seems this guy did not live in the park.... therefore how would he know there was a strange guy in the park?

I am waiting for more information on this.

[MOM0F4]

Chris(tian) Sinclair & Frank Wohler
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=002.jpg

Fred Williams
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=005-1.jpg

Pastor Lawless
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03982.jpg

David Slayter
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=scDebraandDavidSlayter.jpg



I think if any of this it would be Fred William
I belive he is an acomplice of the pastor.

[juliekan]

thank you singingbird.

You outlined that for us the other day, how anastasio ends up linked to Slayter. Very interesting.

[singingbird]

Very interesting, Singingbird. Thanks.


if you look very closely at his photo, at the bottom, you can have access

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/httpcrimecasesforums-free.jpg

testing how to edit hope this works


is in the who is who area under sandra

[juliekan]

Yep..this guy either Patrick or Michael Anastasio...
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/httpcrimecasesforums-free.jpg

If we are talking hair color..(dye)..check out his hair/eyebrows..etc.

...looks like a white vehicle....

[IlliniFan]

Yep..this guy either Patrick or Michael Anastasio...
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/httpcrimecasesforums-free.jpg

If we are talking hair color..(dye)..check out his hair/eyebrows..etc.


It could be the lighting (I doubt it) but his stash has a considerable amount of grey, and eyebrows and hair seem very dark/no grey??

[singingbird]

Are you clicking the save button after you edit the post?
no I hit the reply post button after I edited. let me try save. thanks

[defender123]

I have a feeling they have been using boats for awhile. No better way to get to a secluded "island" or place out of hearing or seeing distance.

It sure is going to taint my view of boats.

[lune3]

yes but at the presser they said the pastor was cleared.

They did??? I missed that.

[playnice]

presser's at 6:30 est right? TIA

Thought so. Does anyone have a link handy to watch it? TIA

[IlliniFan]

yes but at the presser they said the pastor was cleared.


I missed the PC, and didn't know this?

[lune3]

Any more confirmation, or change, that there will be a PC at 3:30? I've been working and am not quite up to date the last hour or so.

[singingbird]

It could be the lighting (I doubt it) but his stash has a considerable amount of grey, and eyebrows and hair seem very dark/no grey??

I will ask them to upload more photos of this guy

[playnice]

Yes, in about 15 minutes. They've been showing them here (http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/) in case anyone needs the link.

Whew. Thanks.

[lune3]

We have to be careful, remember that the PC this morning was earlier than scheduled.