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grammie/va

04-08-2009, 09:49 AM

I think it is time to get mean with everyone involved and find some answers. All the rumors are a hinderance and it seems like Haleigh has been lost in the shuffle. It saddens me everyday reading all the post how everyone takes sides with the families, it is kinda disgusting, I'm for Haleigh, and justice for her, regardless of who is taken down in the process.

Someone needs to step up -- starting with LE, it is time for answers for Haleigh

psbperu

04-08-2009, 10:02 AM

No news...not good. Wonder if they ever will find Haleigh or what the real truth of that night is.

Was it a stranger abduction? Was it an abduction by someone in the neighborhood who coveted her? Were any of the caretakers involved?
Was it an abduction?

So many questions & so few answers.

?noanswer

04-08-2009, 10:27 AM

?noanswer

04-08-2009, 10:28 AM

Someone posted on last night's thread that he went back to work.

Don't know how true it is.

And others posted he did not. Don't know which is true. JMO

Texas48

04-08-2009, 10:45 AM

Just finished reading last night's thread. Some posters were wondering why there is no information on the a/c man. I wonder why "Cobra" & KP didn't find him. If their interest is finding Haleigh, it seems they would want to get any information he may have. JMOGood morning ALL..The a/c man..ahhh..I have been posting for weeks about why is there not even a name for this person...Followed many cases for a very long time and this is a *first*. Was it ever said what time he was at the trailer? anyone?

Texas48

04-08-2009, 10:50 AM

Thank you Tiffany. I would love to get to the bottom of the work issue.

How do we know who Kim Picazio and her team are talking with, she may have already spoken to the AC man, imo.
I would think you are right Jo..KP more than likely has spoken to him as well as everyone by now. It bothers me so much as we just have no information in this case as we do w/many. Bothers me that LE tore out that blasted wall by water heater....no sense running through my list again...it hasn't changed since the last time I ranted..Maybe today is the day..

Texas48

04-08-2009, 10:57 AM

YVW. I didn't stay on long last night so I don't know if links were posted about Ron going back to work, but the post I read had no link, iirc. I haven't heard about the AC man in awhile.

The silence in the media is deafening about Haleigh. I'm really irritated that they seem to have forgotten this little girl. I don't know what to make of it anymore. Me and thee Tiffany..I was on for awhile last night and read the tail end of the post and I did not see anything w/a link..What does everyone do..just pretend that Haleigh will show up on her own one day? Just as quick as she vanished that night she will reappear given time.

CelticDawn

04-08-2009, 11:14 AM

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 11:17 AM

It's pathetic really. Out in Cali we have little Sandra, gone missing, found, will be buried and her perp probably found guilty before the Satasuma sheriff's department go out and find some leads, imo.

Good morning Jo, and Others,
I agree. Isn't it sad, one child is being laid to rest, and the other is just lost. LE needs to do something, and fast as far as I'm concerned. I believe they've had ample time to collect evidence, and comb all leads.
UNREAL IMO:confused:

CC I See

04-08-2009, 11:22 AM

The FIRST thing LE did wrong imo...was to handle these people with kid gloves....give them TIME to get their lies straight.........I have to wonder.....The FIRST thing they should have done was seal off a perimeter with a secondary wider one....Did they have ANY security cameras along ANY routes in and out of the area....If so DID THEY BOTHER GETTING PERSONNEL TO GO OVER THEM?....

as for the residence?....DRAINS from the house....<I know it sounds ghoulish but it needed doing ASAP>

Knowing the backgrounds of these people....WHICH LOCAL LE SHOULD HAVE ....this should have been locked down immediately

....NOT LEFT TO TURN INTO A SOAP OPERA AND SIDESHOW WITH A FEW OPPORTUNISTIC OUTSIDERS SCAVENGING!

Right, I think for the very beginning that local LE should have stepped aside and let LE outside the area that is not so related to the community to handle this case. They are bound to be bias and play favorites when they know the families involved. Didn't they say that because of all the drama that were at a standstill? Maybe they are just gutless when it comes to moving forward and getting down to the dirty little secrets they have sidestepping around since day one.

bookie

04-08-2009, 11:22 AM

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I really don't know. I don't believe everything out of Crystal's mouth, and I'm sure she exaggerates and I know she adds bits here and there. I don't think he beats them to a bloody pulp.

The thing that bothers me is that Ron has said he hits his kids according to how DCF has instructed him to do so. DCF does not knock on random doors to teach people how to beat their children. If they did show him the proper way to hit his kids, I think there was a reason. This makes me believe that there may be some truth to what Crystal says.

At the custody hearing in 2005 Ron was ordered to a take parenting class. That class might have covered discipline and what is acceptable.

psbperu

04-08-2009, 11:31 AM

bookie

04-08-2009, 11:43 AM

All:

Sure would like to know what "instructions" there are on the "proper" way to hit one's child. Does DCF really have instructions with guidelines.

Never having done that... it still bothers me when I am in a store & I see a parent smacking their kid in the face or on the behind. The only instruction being given is that I'm bigger & stronger than you. There are much better ways to instruct, guide & set boundaries.

Most states have different rules on spanking. In some states it isn't allowed at all and in others it is allowed but there are "rules".....child must have clothing on, spanking on the bottom only, spanking with a hand only.

bookie

04-08-2009, 11:45 AM

Great question. I've been wondering the same thing myself.

Can anyone tell me why Crystal has pictures of Ron ( you know the man she said beat her and her children ) on Haleighbug ?

I wonder if Crystal ever plans on going to work so she can pay the court ordered support for Junior.

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 11:47 AM

One can only hope that no evidence is actually evidence. That is why I assume they took the door a month later (no sign of forced entry).Can only imagine if this was all staged for money....what charges would they face? Filing a false report? I know that is far fetched but is it just coincedence that RC has perfect alibi "I was at work", and If Misty was on that weekend bender and she was talking to RC that night and she hurriedly went home to watch the children, if he in fact told her is was going to happen that night. Also that Today Show interview, RC repeated "I was at work" and when Misty was questioned about inconsistencies she turned to Ron for answers and you can tell he was uncomfortable. One can only hope this is the case, then Haleigh is still alive. Still bothered by the allegation that he went into Crystal's tent and took donations, shows that money was on his mind.IMO
ITA I hope that's the case $, and she's in hiding. Wishful thinking. I don't want to speculate anymore, just too many theories, and nothing to back them up. Not in my eyes anyway. I hope time will tell all.
Until that day comes, Little HC is in my prayers always.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 11:51 AM

It's pathetic really. Out in Cali we have little Sandra, gone missing, found, will be buried and her perp probably found guilty before the Satasuma sheriff's department go out and find some leads, imo.
Most likely correct Jo..I can't get the picture of little Sandra's skipping along the pavement out of my head..IMO whatever LE is doing for Haleigh isn't working..they need to shift gears and go in a different direction.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 11:55 AM

I wonder if Crystal ever plans on going to work so she can pay the court ordered support for Junior.
I'm sure only Crystal would be able to answer that question for you bookie..but..she may not have that on her mind right now..kwim?

Texas48

04-08-2009, 11:56 AM

wow so you are ok with Crystal putting up pictures of Ronald on the website? i'm not. Something just stinks IMO. How do you accuse a man of beating your daughter in the face till she was bleeding and then call him a great father and then say he forced her to do drugs and wouldn't let her get her drivers license and she had to escape him and THEN put his pictures on a website about their missing daughter.....Maybe..just maybe...Ron is still Haleigh's father.

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 12:03 PM

Maybe..just maybe...Ron is still Haleigh's father.

Exactly, and some mothers need to realize it, no matter what their personal feelings are.

bookie

04-08-2009, 12:04 PM

bookie

04-08-2009, 12:06 PM

I'm sure only Crystal would be able to answer that question for you bookie..but..she may not have that on her mind right now..kwim?

Just like Ron may not have going to work on his mind right now but that sure hasn't stopped the chants of "when is Ron going back to work" posted here daily. If he can go back to work she can go to work as well. The double standard doesn't work for me.

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 12:09 PM

Most likely correct Jo..I can't get the picture of little Sandra's skipping along the pavement out of my head..IMO whatever LE is doing for Haleigh isn't working..they need to shift gears and go in a different direction.

Yes the pic. of her skipping along, minding her own business, just tears me up. SOOOOOOO INNOCENT!! JUST LIKE HALEIGH!!

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 12:14 PM

Good grief if she hadn't put his picture in there, people would be saying things about that. She can't win! But for now her voice is being heard through her attorney. I do pray this go round she gets a fair shot. Funny that RC won everything he had the kids and something terrible happened to one of them on his watch and people still want to blame Crystal, Hope she gets a backbone and starts fighting back not only through her attorney but on her own. IMO she has never been a fighter, Misty would have been the first one I would have gone after.IMO

I noticed the picture awhile ago with her dad, and didn't think a thing of it. Maybe Crystal liked that pic. of HC, maybe it was put there on the advice of her Attorney. Why make a Federal Case about it?! She has her reasons, and that's all that really matters when push comes to shove.
IMO

Texas48

04-08-2009, 12:19 PM

this may be totally o/t but if I popped off when I was a child I wore some of the same bruises as Jr had, came from a switch, and heaven forbid my mon was washing dishes, a wet dish rag does sting. Those charges don't really bother me, I learned to keep my mouth shut! What bothers me is the company he kept...Misty, Nay Nay, Greg, Jo the cousin, And if that is what he wanted to do, fine, Let his mom or GGM watch the children. IMOmorning grma..I am going to say I am not one bit fond of any of these ppl and I feel sad for all the children that are involved between these families..I have to admit that it is hard for me to but into the *abuse* charges...Wait before you hit me on top the head..It is hard for me comprehend TN seeing or hearing about Ron or Misty abusing these babies and not stepping in. If nothing else I do believe TN loves these children. But then we have Crystal cousin saying SHE SAW Ron backhand Haleigh. That does not sit well w/me either. IF..that cousin saw this incident and did not call LE/CPS then SHAME on her. Thata being a small community as it is I think that incident would have gotten back to TN. I believe TN raised these two children and more than likely loves them better than herself..It is with that I can't see the allegations of a bloody little girl TN not doing anything about that. I do believe Ron may have went too far when correcting them or "spanking them" and that might be the reason CPS had to give Ron directions..

Texas48

04-08-2009, 12:21 PM

that doesn't matter. Are you telling me if you were beat by your ex while you were pregnant and he beat your children black and blue and you thought he was doing drugs around them and then your daughter come up missing you would put pictures of him on your website?I have stated what my opinion is on this subject. Ron..no matter..is Haleigh's father.

defender123

04-08-2009, 12:23 PM

I watched RC say even after the landlord changed the locks when they moved in, he went out and bought fresh ones to replace those. Put them on..Only him and M had key. And I bet RC checked the door before going to work..At around 3 pm.
So M says only 3 people in since he went to work. Some one unsecured that door from inside the house.. M assumed it was locked before she went to bed..Becuase it was always locked..She probably did not double check..As Ron always kept it locked.
So that leave s 1.J cousin
2.Gram
3.Ac guy
My question is did RC request for the Ac guy to come or did the landlord call and say his AC guy was coming?

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 12:29 PM

Do you think her attorney told her to put a picture on the website of the man that beat her and her children?

If i were Crystal i would get a new lawyer then.

Yes it matters,...It shows me that Crystal really must not think he's that bad of a guy and I seriously doubt she believes he beat those babies.

MOO

I can't speak for her, or her Att. It was my opinion, and like I stated maybe she liked that picture of her child, and RC just happened to be in the pic. I know where you're coming from when you can't see why she put it out there. I don't know, but once again., I didn't think anything of it. I've been abused, and I can tell you I still care for my EX, he's the father of my babies. I don't hold the past against him. I can see Crystal's side. I'm sorry you can't.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 12:31 PM

Just like Ron may not have going to work on his mind right now but that sure hasn't stopped the chants of "when is Ron going back to work" posted here daily. If he can go back to work she can go to work as well. The double standard doesn't work for me.well..I don't believe I have posted anything about Ron going to work..but I may have knowing my feeble mind..but I don't recall it if I did. So..you got no chants from me bookie.

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 12:34 PM

Who cares about pictures on a website? Do you think that LE is seriously contemplating why Crystal put pictures of Haleigh and her father on her website? :bored:

How in the world will that solve the case?

:thumbsup:THANK YOU TIFFANY!! I couldn't of said any better. IN MY OPINION GET OVER IT!!:thumbup:

Texas48

04-08-2009, 12:34 PM

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 12:36 PM

titan,..i was married to a man that beat me until i had a miscarriage. there would be no way i would have put a picture of my ex in the casket with my sons body.

I wonder if Mark Klaas has pictures of his daughters murderer on his website laughing and smiling .........I think not.

Ok, Mark Klaas didn't know the killer until he was caught, Ron is still the father and part of Haleighs life, sometimes people can set things aside and agree they loved the child, even Crystal knows that. You were an abused woman, do you think that every abuser has the same mo? Why do you think Amber Brooks wants nothing to do with Ron, even though they have a child together?

I just saw Rons sisters rap sheet, she has been arrested 16 times!!! And her childs father has tons of drug arrests!!!
Poor Haleigh..

bookie

04-08-2009, 12:40 PM

Well O.K. about Greg, but Nay Nay would be around when he was with Amber and all of a sudden, he doesn't want her around because of drugs...Did she just start doing these drugs? And Jo the cousin that he had a fight with but didn't have a fight with. These are not people you associate with when you have children. IMO

So when you say Crystal should have custody you are saying it's ok for these kids to be around a man (Chad) who had an order of protection against him for violence toward his own children? The double standards never cease to amaze me. :rolleyes:

Texas48

04-08-2009, 12:41 PM

grma,...you realize were all just here talking about the case right?

I personally feel like Crystal and Chad might be involved in Haleigh being missing. Crystal owed back child support and we have proof people have done some horrible things when hey are stressed about owing back child support :(Angel..I am certain grma and everyone else on this board knows this is Haleigh's board and all knows who we are talking about. It fine how you feel and what your opinion is but it also fine that others may not have same opinions as you do. Bringing in your ex-husband and all is personal and should be kept that way. That has nothing to do with this case. Lets continue posting as adults.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 12:44 PM

I didn't think anything of the picture either. But I do understand where FallenAngel is coming from.
Ahhh.there you are bully..love that name. I have to say I do not see FallenAngel's point here. She ask a question..all answered it and that should be it. right?

Texas48

04-08-2009, 12:46 PM

I had to chuckle at your post grma. :laugh:

My children were probably "abused" according to this Politically Correct generation, but let me just say....a quick pop to the hind end always worked to immediately change behaviors when there was no time for discussion.

I'm sure Haleigh and Jr were well behaved because their father wasn't afraid to set limits.
IMHO, as always.
my GM's towel was always just damp enough to really sting..lol Oh those were the days.

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 12:48 PM

:biggrin: Actually you did say it better, imo.

Okay, Let's start a debate over who said it better:tonguewag: Just kidding. I liked the LE part:thumbsup:
Enough said!!

bookie

04-08-2009, 12:49 PM

O/T FallenAngel, I just want to say I too have had a miscarriage years ago, but not because of a beating, I just want to say I am sorry you had to go through this ( I don't think anyone really understands until it happens to them), but it happening because of a beating must have made the pain that much worse, so I am TRULY SORRY!

Now, on topic, I am confused with what some are saying about the picture of the Haleighbug site from Crystal.

My take is, if Crystal really thought Ron was what she has said about him, then his picture would NOT be there. I am not sure if that is what some of you mean or not, but that is my feelings.

I'm not FA but I think that is exactly what she means.

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 12:51 PM

Excuse me? :ohmy:

If HE were taught to be responsible?
HE has been off work 2 months since his child was abducted.

SHE has been off work 2 years..?

Tell me again who wasn't taught to be responsible? :confused:
Unbelievable.

Don't give me the carp excuse of 'bad wreck-new baby'.
The wreck was in no way "recent" and her other medical issues (if you mean the seizures) only started a day or two before Haleigh went missing.

Lots of people have wrecks and new babies and manage to work to support the 2 children they left behind....

Maybe Chad wanted her to be a stay at home Mom. Just a thought. It is her right.

bookie

04-08-2009, 12:57 PM

Maybe Chad wanted her to be a stay at home Mom. Just a thought. It is her right.

I'm sorry but it isn't her right when she owes $323. a month child support and is over $4000 behind.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 01:00 PM

Okay, Let's start a debate over who said it better:tonguewag: Just kidding. I liked the LE part:thumbsup:
Enough said!!If we have to choose sides..I'm outta here..lol to both of you..

bookie

04-08-2009, 01:01 PM

Totally different: Did Crystal leave the children alone with Chad, was he their primary care giver? Did she leave them with someone who had just been on a weekend drug binge, did haleigh go missing while he was alone with her? If she had I think she would be facing the same criticism from me.IMO

It is not totally different. She lives with a man who had an order of protection against him for violence to children. THAT is someone you don't associate with when you have children.

CC I See

04-08-2009, 01:03 PM

All:

Sure would like to know what "instructions" there are on the "proper" way to hit one's child. Does DCF really have instructions with guidelines.

Never having done that... it still bothers me when I am in a store & I see a parent smacking their kid in the face or on the behind. The only instruction being given is that I'm bigger & stronger than you. There are much better ways to instruct, guide & set boundaries.

I don't believe in hitting a child for any reason because the parent may or may not be able to control their anger and the child may suffer from it.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 01:06 PM

my ex beat me until i lost my son.......maybe thats why i can't see why any woman would put a picture of a man or father that beat her and her children on a website.

maybe i'm just a bad mother ............. because i will never forgive or forget what my ex has done.Angel..most likely alot of women..on this board..have gone through similar experiences as you have.. I can tell you horror stories..but I wont. I can't allow my personal life to attach to a board. No one is right and no one is wrong. Its all opinions and we should be respectful of those opinions.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 01:08 PM

I think some are taking Crystals and KP's word that one or both kids were beaten to a bloody pulp, and if thats the case she's not understanding how the website would put an alleged abusers face on it. Because she buried a child she was carrying due to abuse, she said she could never put the abusers picture in the casket. Even tho the abuser was the childs father. I think she is still dealing with it and so is not understanding Crystal. So I understand FA's point, but not being in her shoes, the picture doesn't bother me.
Hope I did justice here.
jmo
WORDS of WISDOM..

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 01:13 PM

my ex beat me until i lost my son.......maybe thats why i can't see why any woman would put a picture of a man or father that beat her and her children on a website.

maybe i'm just a bad mother ............. because i will never forgive or forget what my ex has done.

I don't know if I'd forgive that. I know I'd never forget it. I feel bad for what you went through, and I understand you're hatred! I watched this unfold, and I just seem to relate with Crystal. I do understand how you feel, but also I feel a deep sympathy for Crystal, and if she wants a picture of her child, and RC on her site, she has the right, and I respect her choices. Does that make sense? I've had a lingering migraine for 4 days now, and nothing makes sense to me anymore. I'm not trying to get sassy w/you, just voicing my opinion.

bookie

04-08-2009, 01:13 PM

Don't know what happened in Chad's case nor do I know what happened in all the cases that involve orders of protection...Fact still remains, Haleigh disappeared on RC's watch. Is she living with him now?
Should she rush to marry him, is he 16 going on 17.

Yes Haleigh disappeared while living with her dad but sadly many children have disappeared from their parents homes. If this is a SO or stranger abduction then that chant will thankfully end.

Crystal is alleging abuse of the children. Whose to say Chad wasn't behind the abuse? He has some history involving violence towards children to the extent that an order of protection was granted. There is no proof Ron was responsible for the abuse. The best Crystal could come up with was a picture of Haleigh taken at a time we know she had an injury at school.

Can you say Chad was never around the children alone? Crystal never left them with him while she ran to the store? Or to pay a bill? Or to go to the dr?

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 01:17 PM

ohhhhhh ITA. why in the world if she wanted to escape Ronalds beatings would she go to another man that has a history of violence with children? Makes no sense to me.

Can I see the link to Chads arrest for an assault on Crystal? Not past ex's, recently. And did you expect Crystal to go from Ron, to a wall street analyst type?

defender123

04-08-2009, 01:19 PM

Did RC call for an AC guy or did the landlord say his AC guy was coming over? Just wondering.:confused:
Does anyone recall ?

bookie

04-08-2009, 01:20 PM

Did RC call for an AC guy or did the landlord say his AC guy was coming over? Just wondering.:confused:
Does anyone recall ?

IIRC it was said early on that the landlord had the a/c guy checking all of their rental properties.

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 01:30 PM

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 01:31 PM

i'm not aware of Chad being arrested for assault on Crystal sorry...

and i was abused and left my husband and got a divorce and i was very picky on the kind of man i was with. There would be no way i could have dated, married or lived with a man that was accused of violence towards children.

and why not....Crystals pretty and smart she can marry a very smart man that would not hurt children.

JMHO

And I married a man like ron, had 4 kids by the time i was 18, only one was my own, and he was 6 years older than me, a total drunk, mad about me leaving him and decided to take it out me by using the courts, he had lots of experience having dealt with them for years prior to me, said I was young, he got physical custody because I didn't think he would play dirt, I fell behind in support, he wouldnt let me see my kid, I got him on tape saying I could see my son if I had sex with him, used it in court, got my kid, and thats how it is. Now I collect support.

So we can all look at this story from our own personal experiences, there are men out there that are totally manipulative, we are strong because we escape our abusers, and you never give up on your kids even if you dont have physical custody, the courts get it wrong sometimes, it happens.

defender123

04-08-2009, 01:39 PM

IIRC it was said early on that the landlord had the a/c guy checking all of their rental properties.

Hmmm.
Sets off alarm bells.
All he had to do was unlock that door..
They better look in that direction.

bookie

04-08-2009, 01:44 PM

TY, bookie

I will also add, I am so worried this is going to be a cold case. I go to bed each night and I hope and pray the morning will bring either Haleigh home ALIVE, or the person that is responsible be arrested, and each day it seems neither has happened. I am really disappointed on how LE has handled this case.

Taking a door into evidence after the family and media had been through the home was not their shining moment. It lessened the value of any evidence found on that door. Other than that we don't really know how they have handled this case.

bookie

04-08-2009, 01:45 PM

Where is the evidence that it happened in this specific case?

Where is the evidence that Ron kidnapped or killed Haleigh? Where is the evidence that Misti kidnapped or killed Haleigh?

bookie

04-08-2009, 01:48 PM

I have a question and I am sure it has been discussed before and I missed it, so I am sorry for asking again.

Where Haleigh lived - Is that road - a road that is traveled on by a lot of people, or is a road that would only be traveled on if you lived on it?

I have always thought, you would have to live on that road to drive down it, but maybe I am wrong, so I want to make sure.

From memory it is the only road going into the MH Park.

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 01:50 PM

Hmmm.
Sets off alarm bells.
All he had to do was unlock that door..
They better look in that direction.

I thought the same thing at first. Wasn't he ruled out? I really can't remember.:confused:

bookie

04-08-2009, 01:53 PM

It concerns me when I hear LE say there are inconsistencies in the stories. Hopefully, if they had anything to do with this disappearance, LE and/or the FBI will get evidence to prove it. imo.

The fact remains Haleigh disappeared from the cummings trailer. No getting away from that. imo.

The inconsistencies have been in Misti's stories, not Ron's. Police have said they are confident he had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance (paraphrased, The Today Show).

Polly Klaas, Jessica Lunsford, Danielle VanDam, Elizabeth Smart and many other children disappeared from their parents homes. Their parents weren't involved in those disappearances or murders.

bookie

04-08-2009, 01:56 PM

Exactly Bookie......

I'm so sick of the chant that she went missing from her dads home. She isn't the first (if it's a SO or stranger abduction) and she won't be the last to be kidnapped from her own home.

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 01:56 PM

I have a question and I am sure it has been discussed before and I missed it, so I am sorry for asking again.

Where Haleigh lived - Is that road - a road that is traveled on by a lot of people, or is a road that would only be traveled on if you lived on it?

I have always thought, you would have to live on that road to drive down it, but maybe I am wrong, so I want to make sure.

Another thing your ? made me think of, maybe it wasn't this case, my ? is wasn't there talk at on time that there's a camera somewhere near the home that captures images of traffic going in and out?

defender123

04-08-2009, 01:56 PM

I thought the same thing at first. Wasn't he ruled out? I really can't remember.:confused:

Rule out smull out..Something aint right..
Better go back over all the facts.
LE may be keeping an eye out anyway..
Just my opinion..
This was too clean .Someone knew what they were doing.
Had to get someone in there to get that back door unlocked.HMMM

bookie

04-08-2009, 01:58 PM

Another thing your ? made me think of, maybe it wasn't this case, my ? is wasn't there talk at on time that there's a camera somewhere near the home that captures images of traffic going in and out?

Yes, there's a camera at or near the RR crossing Haleigh's scent was tracked to IIRC.

bookie

04-08-2009, 02:02 PM

I wonder after being a victim of abuse that you would not believe it could be true. There are different levels of abuse...mental...physical maybe not to the extent that you were subjected to but abuse the same. The story here is one that many women experience and not surprising because it is so frequent. IMO

We all know it could be true but there is NO evidence it is true.

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 02:04 PM

Yes, there's a camera at or near the RR crossing Haleigh's scent was tracked to IIRC.

TY Bookie, Maybe I'm not losing my mind after all. I wonder if LE has a CLUE?! I am thinking, NO"

bookie

04-08-2009, 02:06 PM

TY Bookie, Maybe I'm not losing my mind after all. I wonder if LE has a CLUE?! I am thinking, NO"

We won't know because they have chosen not to release any information. They may have known about the camera and have reviewed it long ago.

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 02:10 PM

ohhhhhh ITA. why in the world if she wanted to escape Ronalds beatings would she go to another man that has a history of violence with children? Makes no sense to me.

I believe studies have been done that women (probably men too) tend to repeat types of people in relationships.

bookie

04-08-2009, 02:13 PM

I do not believe that LE has ruled misty or ronald out as suspects.

As FA pointed out they haven't ruled Crystal or Chad out either.

CC I See

04-08-2009, 02:16 PM

very true. but i'm just saying parents do kill over child support.

I am sure it happens. But it doesn't make the debt go away it is still owed whether the child is alive or not.

What would be fair is for Crystal to ask for custody of Ron Jr. and Ron not asked to pay child support until the debt is even. Or until he would owe the equivalent of what is owed currently by Crystal.

Crystal just needs to petition the court stating her concerns and have her lawyer draw up the paperwork.

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 02:20 PM

grma,...you realize were all just here talking about the case right?

I personally feel like Crystal and Chad might be involved in Haleigh being missing. Crystal owed back child support and we have proof people have done some horrible things when hey are stressed about owing back child support :(

I can recall more than one case in which a man committed a crime, up to & including murder, because he was angry over paying child support - but I just cannot recall any cases of women committing murder & child support being the issue. If you can think of any, please enlighten us.

Can anyone recall a case where the mother killed the child(ren) in order to get out of paying child support? Or because she was mad about being ordered to pay child support? Or because she was behind in child support payments?

TIA

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 02:21 PM

Just a comment -- not even an opinion.

One of the reasons there has been questions about Ron going back to work.

Some of us have discussed how Misty would act if Ron was back at work and she was "alone" (not sure where she even is). Would she "return" to being the party girl that has been alleged?

This was from a brain-storming session some of us had traveling down the highway.

bookie

04-08-2009, 02:29 PM

Exactly Bookie they leave no evidence and that's how they get away with it. Unless they beat you up in public it is your word against theirs. How many women live in fear of what's going to happen when they get home. I never had a problem with the abuse issue, but my daughter did after 3 years into the marriage. I on the other hand grew up with two brothers and could handle my own and never thought it was happening to her.IMO, I don't think RC harmed Haleigh at least I hope not but he had the children and not to be sarcastic but he said it was because he was the better parent and I just don't see it. The people surrounding him are shady at best and were around the children. Not we can jump back over to Crystal but she did not have custody. The custodial parent has to control any of these negative people around the children. And his responsibility is to provide proper care for them while he is gone, not Crystal's because she lost custody. Misty IMO is not responsible, not mature enough and has issues that shouldn't be around his children. IMO

The first sentence I bolded is not true. It may have been true decades ago but it isn't now. If a man beats on a woman and leaves a mark he can, and will in some areas, go to jail regardless if there are witnesses or not.

Crystal never reported abuse of herself or the children until she lost custody. Then she made complaints to DCF. She never reported the abuse to the police either when she claimed it happened or when she had them for visitation and claims they were bruised. I believe her reports were an attempt to cause problems for Ron and not because the children were abused.

The last sentence I bolded fits Chad. He has issues and shouldn't be around any children period.

bookie

04-08-2009, 02:33 PM

Oh, I know and I respect LE, but in this case they have disappointed me in more then one way.

1) The door

2) The dumpster search - a) I think it should have been searched earlier b) I can not see 3 dogs making a mistake, but nothing was sent to the lab.

3) Not letting volunteers search

I am sure they are a few others, if I would really sit down and think about it.

I'm not big believer in dogs. Jessica Lunsford was buried right across the street from her house and dogs never picked up her scent.

Not letting volunteers search happened after Cobra and Johnny Sheffield gave "evidence" to the police so I can understand them not wanting more people hindering an investigation. If what they handed over to police had any evidentiary value it was lost because 1)chain of command wasn't followed and 2) it was handled by people other than LE and contaminated.

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 02:34 PM

I'm sure Haleigh and Jr were well behaved because their father wasn't afraid to set limits.
IMHO, as always.

<snipped>

What do you suppose his limits may have been? And what do you guess the consequences were if the limits were crossed?

Some of the most perfectly behaved children I have ever seen had parents who resembled tyrants more than parents. One little infraction & it was like the wrath of Khan coming down on them.

One of the things that made me sad was realizing neither Annette nor Teresa outrightly denied that Ron hit the kids. Instead, they rationalized it, Annette talked about how she was "old school". How Ron wasn't perfect. Gee, if someone asked me that question about either of my kids I would have been vehement in declaring that they do NOT go around hitting their child(ren) (because they don't). You would have heard me tell about how they put them in time-out, removed them from the situation that was contributing to the problem, took away privileges, sat down & talked to them about right & wrong, acceptable vs non-acceptable behavior, etc.

JMO

CC I See

04-08-2009, 02:34 PM

Oh, I know and I respect LE, but in this case they have disappointed me in more then one way.

1) The door

2) The dumpster search - a) I think it should have been searched earlier b) I can not see 3 dogs making a mistake, but nothing was sent to the lab.

3) Not letting volunteers search

I am sure they are a few others, if I would really sit down and think about it.

The slow response in searching the dumpsters are at the top of my list.
I think that Haleigh's remains were at one time in the dumpster that the dogs "hit" on and the feeble story that LE tried to shove down our throats about it being a false positive was a complete lie.

I have already mentioned earlier, the case where a young girl was put in a rug and then placed in the apartment dumpster. It happened a few years ago in San Antonio, TX. Her body was never found. Had LE searched the dumpster the day she went missing, she would have been found. The dumpster was less than 20 feet away from the apartment front door. Don't they ever learn from past mistakes?? :crying:

bookie

04-08-2009, 02:34 PM

Thanks, so does the road have a dead end or do you travel that road to get to more subdivisions, homes, lake, etc.?

Again from memory it leads into the MH park then dead ends.

CC I See

04-08-2009, 02:44 PM

Where is the evidence that Ron kidnapped or killed Haleigh? Where is the evidence that Misti kidnapped or killed Haleigh?

There isn't any, if there was LE would have reason to arrest one of the people on the list of people involved in this case. THAT is the problem, we don't know who is responsible and won't until LE makes their move. IF they make their move, that is.

bookie

04-08-2009, 02:48 PM

There isn't any, if there was LE would have reason to arrest one of the people on the list of people involved in this case. THAT is the problem, we don't know who is responsible and won't until LE makes their move. IF they make their move, that is.

That was my point. Jo asked where the evidence was that Chad was involved. I took it to mean she was saying we shouldn't discuss him as a possible suspect because there is no evidence. Well there's no evidence Ron killed Haleigh but it's discussed here all the time. If we can only discuss people evidence points to then the board might as well be closed because we wouldn't be able to discuss anyone.

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 02:53 PM

ohhhhhh ITA. why in the world if she wanted to escape Ronalds beatings would she go to another man that has a history of violence with children? Makes no sense to me.

Go hang around any courthouse or any DCF office & you will see it time after time after time. I don't know if that was the specific case for Crystal, but I would guarantee that the situation is so horribly common it is enough to make you want to cry.

That's the boon & the bane of working directly or indirectly with people living those sorts of lives. The bane is that you see so much human wreckage & ruin that it is downright depressing at times. The boon is that you learn that there is more to the world than your personal life experiences & your own specific viewpoints.

We have probably all read a post or two in which the person declares some version of they are just so sure that Crystal is a lying, evil woman who is vindictive, spiteful, doesn't care for her children & how they are so certain Ron's situation is just like the one their brother or son or friend or whoever went through. And that is fine, well & good for them.

But when you have seen 10 versions of spiteful, lying fathers for every 1 version of spiteful, lying mothers - you do get a different perspective on how much & how often those sort of situations exist.

JMO

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 03:12 PM

I believe studies have been done that women (probably men too) tend to repeat types of people in relationships.

Yes, they do. It is human nature to seek the familiar. I don't recall anymore who the specific person was, but one of the championship boxers of many years ago said something to that effect, which I thought was very apt - "All my clinging vines turned into boa constrictors".

Go to any 12-step program & you will hear story after story of people who leave one bad situation only to walk right into another bad situation.

JMO

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 03:12 PM

LE may have instructed this man to keep his mouth shut, because of the ongoing investigation. imo.

You may be right.

I did hear a rumor that he went on vacation.

forensicfan

04-08-2009, 03:32 PM

Go hang around any courthouse or any DCF office & you will see it time after time after time. I don't know if that was the specific case for Crystal, but I would guarantee that the situation is so horribly common it is enough to make you want to cry.

That's the boon & the bane of working directly or indirectly with people living those sorts of lives. The bane is that you see so much human wreckage & ruin that it is downright depressing at times. The boon is that you learn that there is more to the world than your personal life experiences & your own specific viewpoints.

We have probably all read a post or two in which the person declares some version of they are just so sure that Crystal is a lying, evil woman who is vindictive, spiteful, doesn't care for her children & how they are so certain Ron's situation is just like the one their brother or son or friend or whoever went through. And that is fine, well & good for them.

But when you have seen 10 versions of spiteful, lying fathers for every 1 version of spiteful, lying mothers - you do get a different perspective on how much & how often those sort of situations exist.

JMO

Sad but true. Same for women involved with addicts. They go from one to another. I see it repeatedly on Intervention.

forensicfan

04-08-2009, 03:36 PM

How sad, I had not heard about the little girl in the rug.

See, I can see one dog making a mistake, but not 3 dogs. I am still in such shock - that something in that dumpster was not at least sent off to the lab.

I second that, apple. I think searching the dumpster immediately might have provided some evidence to go on. Those dogs are trained to signal on human decomp and none other. They may hit on other scents but they signal on human decomp. Three dogs signaling is too much to ignore. If it wasn't Haleigh's body, then it was someone's body or human decomp from something in that dumpster.

forensicfan

04-08-2009, 03:38 PM

I'll be glad when there's something new to discuss about this case so we don't have to read about posters alleged personal experiences that may or may not have happened in the first place.

JMPO, of course

There's nothing new to discuss. Go to the links page first for news articles if you don't want to be so bothered by our personal experiences that may or may not have happened. JMPO.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 03:41 PM

I'll be glad when there's something new to discuss about this case so we don't have to read about posters alleged personal experiences that may or may not have happened in the first place.

JMPO, of course
ITA Tiffany..and thats what I was trying to do in a post way way back to fallenanegel....I bet 95% of posters on this board could relate in one way or another..All has had horible incidents in their lives and I feel personal experiences should not be brought to the board. We are not here to discuss ex-husbands as there is most likely another board for that and it would be full of posters.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 03:44 PM

I second that, apple. I think searching the dumpster immediately might have provided some evidence to go on. Those dogs are trained to signal on human decomp and none other. They may hit on other scents but they signal on human decomp. Three dogs signaling is too much to ignore. If it wasn't Haleigh's body, then it was someone's body or human decomp from something in that dumpster.I agree Fan.. There had to be something in the dumpsters...had to be imo. Of course no will ever know now and thats too bad.

CANDYKISSES

04-08-2009, 03:49 PM

theres a first time for everything. Maybe she kidnapped Haleigh not thinking it would go nationwide. That way she could make Ron out to be a bad parent and get the children back.

Honestly i don't think Ron or Crystal were involved in the disappearance .

Good grief, we certainly can see a certain kind of woman who fabricates a kidnapping, possibly kills her child/children because they have become inconvenient IMO starting right off the bat with Susan Smith and ending with Casey Anthony (IMO) iykwim????

What's the difference in a woman who claims to be abused, but only looks to get herself away from the alleged abuser while moving on to start another family and the woman who seeks a better life but feels the child or children would be in the way?

I think it's bigger than child support when it comes to women who would kidnap, sell or allegedly kill their own children IMOO. Often the root of the problem is selfish narcissistic behavior but everyone else is blamed for their misdeeds if you look closely. ALL MY OPINION :sad:

I don't believe Ron and Crystal are involved either, but each day we see more insinuations about Misty and Ron making a deal yet nobody has anything concrete to base it on IMO. :ohmy:

:wub:BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME TO HER FAMILY.

CANDYKISSES

04-08-2009, 03:52 PM

well IF thats the case then is Chad a bad guy like Ronald?

You bring up a valid question Angel. Especially given we know there was a child protective order in place up until November 08 IIRC. None of us know exactly why that was in place IMOO.

If anyone does, I'm all eyes for reading the transcript leading up to that one. JMO:sad:

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 03:52 PM

well IF thats the case then is Chad a bad guy like Ronald?

This is your quote, post #94 -

ohhhhhh ITA. why in the world if she wanted to escape Ronalds beatings would she go to another man that has a history of violence with children? Makes no sense to me.

You claimed it made no sense for someone to go into a bad situation after getting out of a bad situation. Unlike the laws of physics, I don't think there is one way & only one way for people to behave.

I have no idea what the dynamics are in the relationship between Crystal & Chad. I don't know if he treats her in a similar fashion to the way she was treated by Ron - or not. I do think she has to potential to be targeted by another guy who is controlling & possibly abusive, because I do not think she has a history of being assertive about protecting herself. She really does remind me of a lot of women I have seen over the years - she seems to be more reactive than pro-active, for example. I hope for her own sake & for her childrens' sake that she is able to take a more pro-active stance in determining what happens in her life. Some do, some don't. I hope she does.

JMO

CANDYKISSES

04-08-2009, 03:54 PM

I'm not big believer in dogs. Jessica Lunsford was buried right across the street from her house and dogs never picked up her scent.

Not letting volunteers search happened after Cobra and Johnny Sheffield gave "evidence" to the police so I can understand them not wanting more people hindering an investigation. If what they handed over to police had any evidentiary value it was lost because 1)chain of command wasn't followed and 2) it was handled by people other than LE and contaminated.

Was it Cobra alleging he found a blanket? :confused:

bookie

04-08-2009, 04:00 PM

Was it Cobra alleging he found a blanket? :confused:

Yeah I think that's what it was.

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 04:02 PM

Sad but true. Same for women involved with addicts. They go from one to another. I see it repeatedly on Intervention.

Yes, they do. And if you want to hear some real hair-raising tales, sit in an open meeting of AA or NA & listen to those working hard at recovery talk about how they can spot the person who is most likely to tolerate the realities of living with an addict. It will curl your hair (or take the curl right out of it, whichever applies).

When I heard the stories of how Ron used the children as a means to control Crystal, it just made my heart sink. That is so very common in some relationships - if you can't keep the woman by your side by engaging in one sort of behavior - switch to targetting her children. Get them in your care - that puts you in the position of controlling her through the children.

Seen that more times than I care to recall. OTOH, I cannot recall any case in which a mother harmed her child to GET OUT OF paying child support. And I cannot think of any case in which a stepfather harmed a child to get out of paying his wife or girlfriend's child support. Not saying mothers & step-parents never harm children - but I sure don't recall any of the reasons being related to not wanting to pay child support. Wish I could say the same about fathers.

JMO

forensicfan

04-08-2009, 04:03 PM

Don't take it personally, forensicfan. I just don't think that everyone reacts the same in all situations.

Besides, anyone can claim anything on a forum like this. I take it all with a grain of salt...or a truckload, depending on the situation.

MOO

I'm sorry. I see what you are saying.

I am gun ho on wanting facts in this case but unfortunately, so little has been reported and it's frustrating and since I don't want to add fuel to the rumor mill, I was participating in discussing other things. It IS a board for Haleigh though and Texas is right about there being other boards for those stories, so again, I'm sorry. :smile:

CANDYKISSES

04-08-2009, 04:06 PM

Yeah I think that's what it was.

I vaguely remember there being more alleged than just a blanket bookie. Do you remember anything else he was alleging to have found?

JMO

forensicfan

04-08-2009, 04:10 PM

forensicfan

04-08-2009, 04:10 PM

Thanks for the apology, forensicfan. :smile: It's all good.

I'm really frustrated too about this case and the lack of facts.

:smile: Same here

bookie

04-08-2009, 04:12 PM

I vaguely remember there being more alleged than just a blanket bookie. Do you remember anything else he was alleging to have found?

JMO

Something with blood on it? An inhaler maybe?

CANDYKISSES

04-08-2009, 04:17 PM

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 04:20 PM

Who is blamed for Susan Smith's murder of her children besides Susan Smith? Who is blamed for what Casey Anthony allegedly (not proven yet in a court of law) did to Caylee besides Casey Anthony?

Both of these women are despised by the vast majority for what you call their misdeeds. Both are labeled sociopaths. Both are labeled narcissists. Both are labeled murderers. And rightfully so.

I don't hear a lot of excuses being offered up for either of these women.

And I sure never heard that either of them killed their child(ren) because they were behind in child support payments (which is the motive ascribed to Crystal for potentially harming Haleigh).

JMO

Squidward

04-08-2009, 04:21 PM

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 04:23 PM

aproudmom

04-08-2009, 04:42 PM

Texas48

04-08-2009, 04:50 PM

Texas48

04-08-2009, 04:53 PM

Some have asked whether "we" would have blamed Crystal if Haleigh have gone missing under her watch.

My answer is "maybe" depending if we had a combination of stories, who was there, who wasn't, "at work", times etc etc etcAbsolutely titan..If all the issues were the exact or even close to the same at Crystals and Haleigh went missing..I would have blamed Crystal..in a heart beat.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 04:54 PM

Something with blood on it? An inhaler maybe?Is there a link bookie?

Squidward

04-08-2009, 04:55 PM

I missed the "found" blanket story fan...Where was it at?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

minou

04-08-2009, 04:56 PM

[QUOTE=kitty1182;12979668]Good morning.....Where the heck is this child?[/QUOTE

nancy grace is not talking about Haleigh a lot....why?

casey anthony is accused...but where is haleih and why not giving her case more air time?

Texas48

04-08-2009, 05:00 PM

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.phpTY Squid..I did miss that article..

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 05:02 PM

Jumping in here, seems like a good place as any, besides I always try and catch your posts Mimi.

Does anyone really know what caused Chad to have these charges in the first place? Hasn't he been seeing his children all along? If he had some type of court order of abuse, how is it he had visitation?

moo

I have no idea. The only thing I've ever seen posted is the Dismissal of the Protective Order, but not the order or the reasons behind it.

And I would also like to know how he had visitation with a Protective Order in place.

bookie

04-08-2009, 05:03 PM

I missed the "found" blanket story fan...Where was it at?

Attorney Kim Picazio also told me that her investigators have been searching areas she claims police failed to search. One of those searches yielded a cloth sheet or blanket that was found to have rust and what appears to be blood on it. That piece of cloth has been turned over to investigators in the case

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

No one ever said where they found it.

bookie

04-08-2009, 05:05 PM

Is there a link bookie?

I just linked the part about the blanket, can't find anything about an inhaler/nebulizer. That part may have been speculation.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 05:05 PM

Jumping in here, seems like a good place as any, besides I always try and catch your posts Mimi.

Does anyone really know what caused Chad to have these charges in the first place? Hasn't he been seeing his children all along? If he had some type of court order of abuse, how is it he had visitation?

mooI actually checked yesterday and could not find anything..but..I am not that good at searching either..I always relied on....others. also..meadow..ck.pm

Texas48

04-08-2009, 05:08 PM

Attorney Kim Picazio also told me that her investigators have been searching areas she claims police failed to search. One of those searches yielded a cloth sheet or blanket that was found to have rust and what appears to be blood on it. That piece of cloth has been turned over to investigators in the case

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

No one ever said where they found it.
TY for the link bookie..I always miss something..Thanks again.

bookie

04-08-2009, 05:09 PM

I actually checked yesterday and could not find anything..but..I am not that good at searching either..I always relied on....others. also..meadow..ck.pm

The order of protection against him was in Baker County IIRC. I don't remember seeing anything showing he had visitation with his children, that is imo speculation.

Real life calls. I'll look for a link to the PO later tonight.

Squidward

04-08-2009, 05:10 PM

Thank you for that link!

I do not know if it is against the rules or not to copy and paste from that link so I won't do it, but it does say the blanket was turned over to investigater's.

So, we don't know if Cobra - physically handed over the blanket or if he called LE and they came and got the blanket...am I right on this or maybe I am missing something?

Does the LE have this as evidence?

Nope you are not missing anything, we don't know how LE came into possession of the blanket, but from that article LE does have it. Anything about how they got it and other items found along with it are speculation (rumor) from the internet.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 05:20 PM

I just linked the part about the blanket, can't find anything about an inhaler/nebulizer. That part may have been speculation.TY again bookie..I will try later and search for anything on the inhaler..

Themis

04-08-2009, 05:26 PM

What concerns me about this alleged blanket that was found is that it was (allegedly) removed from a potential crime scene. It would have more credence to it for me if it had been left in place and removed by LE for testing. IF it really did exist and really could have been of potential value, it isn't anymore because it was removed from the scene and now there is no proof that it didn't come from someplace else.
You have made an excellent point, ForensicFan. IF it is true that William 'Cobra' Staubs found and removed a blanket its value as a piece of evidence has been completely compromised. Again, IF it is true that Cobra did this he knows better---being a Private Investigator and all. This is one reason, I believe, that LE has been asking untrained volunteers not to search.

By the way, is Staubs still in the vicinity of Satsuma? I have not read anything about him since Teresa Neves led him (and then left because she saw a cottonmouth snake) to the scene of that old travel trailer with the door ajar. I took that whole scenario with a huge grain of salt because I found no logical reason why she would call him on her cell phone to come and help her. He knows far less about the immediately area than anyone since he is from the Ft. Lauderdale area.
She should have called LE and she would know that. After all, according to the dates supplied at ArtHarris website this would have been after Harris got Misty to agree to do a walk-thru with him at the mobile home at the prayer vigil, then she backed out. And this was after Staubs made buddy-buddy with her adored son, Ronald, who then revealed some unsavory aspects of what was supposedly a private conversation.
Perhaps Neves calling Staubs and doing what she did was her way of telling Staubs he was wrong to mess with her son, Ron, and cause trouble in his new marriage to Misty--the best girlfriend Ron has ever had according to Neves.

Texas48

04-08-2009, 05:33 PM

Texas48

04-08-2009, 05:50 PM

Perhaps you should read post 220 and see what that implies. That's one of many that's been on this board.

mooYour right meadow...that post is only the latest.

Themis

04-08-2009, 06:04 PM

Nope you are not missing anything, we don't know how LE came into possession of the blanket, but from that article LE does have it. Anything about how they got it and other items found along with it are speculation (rumor) from the internet.
Thanks a bunch, Squid, for linking that article--good find. I had not read that one either.

Again, I find it curious that the article states: "Attorney Kim Picazio also told me that her investigators have been searching areas she claims police failed to search. One of those searches yielded a cloth sheet or blanket that was found to have rust and what appears to be blood on it. That piece of cloth has been turned over to investigators in the case."

1. I did not know that attorney Kim Picazio has her own investigators (plural) and that they are searching on their own.
2. How do her investigators know they have been searching areas the police failed to search--a claim made by Picazio?
3. Is it correct to assume Picazio's investigators are searching on foot outside the 5 mile area initially targeted by LE?
4. Was it a cloth sheet or a blanket Picazio's investigators found? As trained investigators surely they would know the difference between a sheet and the thinnest of blankets.

To me, it sounds like what Picazio's investigators may have found was a worn sheet or blanket that had been used as a rag -- perhaps when working on a car. That would account for the rust. Also, people working on a car often end up with minor wounds on their hands (scrape a knuckle) which would account for what may be blood.
[JMO * Themis] Thanks again for linking that article from 3-26-09.

Squidward

04-08-2009, 06:31 PM

Thanks a bunch, Squid, for linking that article--good find. I had not read that one either.

Again, I find it curious that the article states: "Attorney Kim Picazio also told me that her investigators have been searching areas she claims police failed to search. One of those searches yielded a cloth sheet or blanket that was found to have rust and what appears to be blood on it. That piece of cloth has been turned over to investigators in the case."

1. I did not know that attorney Kim Picazio has her own investigators (plural) and that they are searching on their own.
2. How do her investigators know they have been searching areas the police failed to search--a claim made by Picazio?
3. Is it correct to assume Picazio's investigators are searching on foot outside the 5 mile area initially targeted by LE?
4. Was it a cloth sheet or a blanket Picazio's investigators found? As trained investigators surely they would know the difference between a sheet and the thinnest of blankets.

To me, it sounds like what Picazio's investigators may have found was a worn sheet or blanket that had been used as a rag -- perhaps when working on a car. That would account for the rust. Also, people working on a car often end up with minor wounds on their hands (scrape a knuckle) which would account for what may be blood.
[JMO * Themis] Thanks again for linking that article from 3-26-09.

I have wondered the same things about this article. I thought Cobra was the only investigator working with KP.
I'm thinking the blanket or whatever it was that was found has nothing to do with Haleigh.
I have no idea how KP or the investigators working with her know where LE has(not) searched, but I saw a comment made by AH on his site that says LE is working with Cobra.
It's hard to know what to believe in this case, and LE doesn't seem to want to clear any of it up.

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 06:38 PM

Chad has a record of violence with children.
You can bet your sweet bippy I'm concerned..

<snipped>

I don't know what you have read or heard, but so far, I have not read nor have I heard anything from anyone indicating Chad was near that MH on the night in question. I haven't even heard that it has been rumored around town, that others are gossiping about him & his treatment of the kids, etc. Nothing. Nada. Zip, zero, zilch.

The only things I have essentially heard about Chad is the totally erroneous information that he was still a married man - & we finally got that straightened out a couple of weeks ago - and that he had an order of protection against him for a signficiant period of time.

If I had the opportunity to read/see/hear something to give us an indication of how that order of protection came to be issued, what it was about, what was alleged or proven - then I might be able to muster up more concern about Chad.

But until I get some bona fide information that he was within 50 yards of that MH on the night in question, I just don't have a heck of a lot of concern about him. I am sure somewhere in the wide realm of possibility that he could have snuck out of the house, driven to Ron's MH, abducted Haleigh & did something to her, drove back home & somehow nobody ever noticed he was gone for all those hours - but I think it is not at all likely that something like that happened.

JMO

Themis

04-08-2009, 06:46 PM

I have wondered the same things about this article. I thought Cobra was the only investigator working with KP.
I'm thinking the blanket or whatever it was that was found has nothing to do with Haleigh.
I have no idea how KP or the investigators working with her know where LE has(not) searched, but I saw a comment made by AH on his site that says LE is working with Cobra.
It's hard to know what to believe in this case, and LE doesn't seem to want to clear any of it up.
Appreciate your response, Squid. At this stage, I am in the process of not believing most of what I read and hear--LOL--and Haleigh gone without a trace is no laughing matter.
Everyone involved seems to have their own agenda.:angry:
As for Harris' comment that LE is working with Cobra; well, all I have to say is if they are then LE has dropped a lot in my estimation of their professionalism. I've known some cops and no way in he11 would they work with a guy like Staubs based on what I have seen Staubs do and say. And I do not care what he has accomplished as a bounty hunter. My own opinion.
I've read several posters say they don't respect Sheriff Hardy much. It's true he just took office in January. He does have years of experience. But that experience does not, I don't think, include Putnam County. I said early on that Hardy might be resented by some in the department. It's natural and to be expected. Do I think there are local LE who would drag their feet at following his orders? Yeah, maybe, though it pains me to say it about this tragic case. What is a real unknown is how much any of them know Neves, a dispatcher in a nearby county. I have even read that she had or does work part time for Putnam County. That would add a whole new flavor.

There is just too much weirdness going on to suit me.

CANDYKISSES

04-08-2009, 06:46 PM

I have no idea. The only thing I've ever seen posted is the Dismissal of the Protective Order, but not the order or the reasons behind it.

And I would also like to know how he had visitation with a Protective Order in place.

Is there a link to visitation? I've never seen any of those documents.

JMO:confused:

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 07:01 PM

I don't remember anyone ever actually saying (here) that Crystal harmed Haleigh...for child support or any other reasons.

Not sure if you mean a declarative statement - along the lines of "Crystal &/or Chad harmed Haleigh because Crystal owed back child support"...

Or if you mean as speculation.

The speculation has been going on for a long time, from what I have read.

Here are some examples...

Today's thread, post #56 , by Fallen Angel...

I personally feel like Crystal and Chad might be involved in Haleigh being missing. Crystal owed back child support and we have proof people have done some horrible things when hey are stressed about owing back child support

Thread on 3/23/09, post #592, by bam bam...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12925817&highlight=back+child+support#post12925817

I think the letter received with date for contempt of court concerning Crystal owing $4,000.00 child support could be a motive to send Crystal or a family member to do something to the children. Would not be the first time children have been murdered for this reason.

Same thread, post #574 by Fallen Angel...

I would not be shocked if Crystal and Chad weren't involved with Haleigh being missing..........Crystal was way behind on child support...

There are a ton more if you want them. In some of them you would have to start earlier in the thread, to get the gist of the posts, the direction of the discussion, etc - but there are also posts which just simply state an opinion that Crystal's back child support was reason enough for Crystal &/or Chad to harm her, cause her disappearance, etc.

JMO

teresa

04-08-2009, 07:13 PM

Here is Chad's order of protection with minor children. Click on the image to enlarge.

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 07:15 PM

:confused:

Elizabeth Smart disappeared from her father's home.
Danielle VanDam disappeared from her father's home.
Jessica Lunsford disappeared from her father's home.
Polly Klass disappeared from her father's home.

What's your point? :bored:

I can't answer for JW, she does a fine job of doing that her own self, but I do think it is worth pointing out that...

Elizabeth Smart, Danielle Van Dam, Jessica Lunsford & Polly Klaas were not taken by a parent owing child support or previously in a custody dispute with the other parent.

I also think it is worthwhile to point out that in way less time than this case has been going on, all the people inside those houses had been cleared as suspects. I do not ever recall that 2 weeks, much less 2 months after the abduction of any of those children that there was any issue of inconsistent statements coming from the people who lived at the same residence as the child.

JMO

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 07:19 PM

Here is Chad's order of protection with minor children. Click on the image to enlarge.

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search

Thanks for that link - much appreciated.

The image I saw is the order for dismissal. Not the original order of protection.

teresa

04-08-2009, 07:26 PM

Thanks for that link - much appreciated.

The image I saw is the order for dismissal. Not the original order of protection.

I've never seen the original order either. I'm just guessing it's sealed because of children being involved. Unless the original order was not in Baker Co but I would think they would have to both be in the same county.

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 07:27 PM

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 07:29 PM

Of course I would have no way of actually knowing, but IMHO limits may have been as simple as keeping her room clean to not crossing the street without looking both ways.

I think and this IMOO, a swat or two on the butt or a switch on the legs may have been the consequence.

Being old school I see nothing wrong with a well placed hand-to-butt connection or switch to the legs...

The custody agreement was in 2005. In 2005, Haleigh was a little over a year old and Jr. six months.

In 2005 Ron was to have attended parenting class and some believe that discipline was part of that class. Ron says DCF told him how to spank his children. Does DCF teach the parenting classes?

Exactly what type "old school" discipline would be appropriate for those ages?

Why would discipline be an issue for an 18 month and a 6 month old child?

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 07:29 PM

But back to this specific case - bam bam posted the other day that Ron had been working on a bridge in Palatka - as in, working on a literal bridge being built. Does anyone know where that bridge is specifically located? I was under the impression that the work he did was in manufacturing components that go into the construction of bridges.

JMO

teresa

04-08-2009, 07:29 PM

I can't get the image to load. What does it say?

Was it dismissed?

TIA

Yes per Helen Griffis' petition. It was from May 2006 to the end of Nov 2008.

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 07:32 PM

Anyone else curious as to why Ron went to Mexico via Texas? I know its been reported the trip was for work. Anyone have any idea what kind of work? What did he do with those young little children in Mexico while he was at work? Does anyone have any information about this trip? How long did Ron work there, etc.

moo

How many medical appointments did Haleigh attend while in Texas or Mexico?

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 07:34 PM

did Ron say in 2005 thats when they told him about spanking?

He never gave a year. Posters here seem to think that the parenting class he would have attended in 2005 covered discipline and that's how he knew how to spank per DCF's instructions.

I don't know. I was just asking. Do you know when he attended the class or when DCF instructed him in the art of spanking?

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 07:36 PM

wow two and a half years.......i wonder what he did.

meanwhile the Judge didn't feel like their was enough evidence to give Crystal a protective order against Ronald.

Don't know about Florida but in Illinois it has been pretty standard the OP's last 2 years.

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 07:38 PM

Not sure Cry, but I believe right on this very board its been posted Ron did not attend the parenting classes, but Crystal did.

Hitting any child, no matter the age, with a switch is child abuse, IMO.

moo

If Crystal attended the parenting class and they covered discipline, I'm sure any type weapon would be considered abuse. That's probably why she's reported "abuse" to CPS and LE because leaving marks on children would go against their own guidelines.

But apparently not the guidelines in Putnam County.

teresa

04-08-2009, 07:41 PM

I'm confused so please forgive my ignorance.

Who is Helen Griffis? What was the protective order for?

Sorry if this has been discussed, but I completely missed it.

Chad's then wife, now ex-wife. We don't really know the details (or at least I don't). The order of dismissal just says it had something to do with minor children.

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 07:42 PM

I'm confused so please forgive my ignorance.

Who is Helen Griffis? What was the protective order for?

Sorry if this has been discussed, but I completely missed it.

She is the ex-wife of Chad Griffis, Crystal's fiance.

The Protective Order had something to do with minor children, however it is unknown if the children were Helen and Chad's because their names are no where on the order and as far as we know, Chad had regular visitation with his children.

Heck, with this case for all we know, Helen could be the minor involved.

Owlface

04-08-2009, 07:42 PM

Not sure Cry, but I believe right on this very board its been posted Ron did not attend the parenting classes, but Crystal did.

Hitting any child, no matter the age, with a switch is child abuse, IMO.

moo

I agree, hitting a child with ANYTHING, including wet dishclothes and switches, is child abuse, no matter how quaint some people think it is.

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 07:46 PM

helen is chads ex wife

and i think we all would love to know why the Judge granted the protective order that says there was violence against a child:(

Do you have any idea where the notion came from that Chad committed violence against a child?

There are several injunctions against domestic violence that can be asked for. Here are the titles of 3 of them - you can download the forms online...

http://www.edivorcepapers.com/florida-divorce-forms-and-papers.html

Temporary Injunction for Protection Against Domestic Violence Without Minor Children

Temporary Injunction for Protection Against Domestic Violence With Minor Children

Temporary Injunction for Protection Against Repeat Violence

The 'minor children' part simply means that she HAD minor children. It does not mean violence was done to them.

JMO

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 07:47 PM

I agree, hitting a child with ANYTHING, including wet dishclothes and switches, is child abuse, no matter how quaint some people think it is.

Not to mention the humiliation of the child who has to go to school with welts, bruises, or "stick marks" and have to deal with the stares, whispers, and snickering of other children.

Oh yes, it's not just the switch. It's the long lasting effects on the mental health of the child.

JMO

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 07:49 PM

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 07:54 PM

Not sure Cry, but I believe right on this very board its been posted Ron did not attend the parenting classes, but Crystal did.

Hitting any child, no matter the age, with a switch is child abuse, IMO.

moo

That is in the long pdf document - the one that is over 50 pages. The magistrate asked them both about it - Crystal had attended, Ron had not. Link to it was posted on 2/13/09 in the links thread.

Meanwhile - where the heck is bam bam? She has been hollaring long & loud about how Ron's personal injury attorneys should be suing people for slander - & yet it is plain as day that the one person who has most certainly been slandered is Chad.

It was posted all over the board that he was still married when he & Crystal got together & had Chloe - WRONG!

It has been posted that he committed domestic violence against his children - based on the form that his wife filled out. The only reason that form applied is because she had minor children. If she had not had them, she would have filled out a different form. NOTHING on that dismissal form indicates he committed violence against children - just that his wife (& he) had minor children. Talk about a slander.... sheesh!

JMO

teresa

04-08-2009, 07:54 PM

I think the judge asked RC to take the parenting class (CS already had) and he sent his order of completion in on Jan 31 ~ one month later.

meadow, the only thing I remember from the Texas trip is that it was for vacation/work and it lasted 18 days. That's in the long custody document that takes me forever to load if you want to check.

Themis

04-08-2009, 07:57 PM

Dang, nobody has any info on the Texas/Mexico trip. I'm so curious what that whole trip was for.

Next question. Whose wedding was that where Haleigh was the flower girl? I believe it was a December wedding. Was that Ron's sister Crystal that got married?

moo
Meadow, to provide the information you asked about in your first paragraph:

Ron Cummings stated under oath that with Crystal's agreement, Ron Cummings took the children to Mexico for a vacation either before or after he went to Texas to work for 18 days.

Reference: linked document, page 4, Line 23.

Linked Document: Re-hearing of Cummings vs Sheffield on December 27, 2005 heard by Magistrate Mitchell Prugh

http://www.mytvjax.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

Meadow, this is a long document but it probably answers questions others have asked.

[JMO * Themis]

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 07:57 PM

oh ok...i'm not sure about Florida either.

I would still love to know what he did.

It's not that hard to get one. I got one against someone over one threatening phone call.

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 08:04 PM

Don't faint anyone. JVM is suppose to talk about Haleigh. Probably nothing new.

I'm taping it but unless it's covered in first 30 minutes, won't see it until later.

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 08:05 PM

i'm not trying to slander anyone so can you please show me that form that was filed out by Helen? Thank you

and when was Helen and Chad divorced? I know they are divorced but do you know when they were divorced? Thank you

All that's ever been posted is the Dismissal. To my knowledge, we have never seen the original form.

They were divorced in 2006. December I believe. There might be a link to the divorce court record on the links thread. Somebody found it and posted it here a couple of weeks ago.

crymeariver2006

04-08-2009, 08:08 PM

but doesn't it have to be investigated and proved something happen? because Crystal tried to get one against Ron and the Judge said there was not enough evidence.

Different county, different judge.

That might be the reason or Chad's wife kept better records and wasn't thrust into having to defend herself to keep her children all of a sudden.

teresa

04-08-2009, 08:15 PM

Thank you Mimi for clearing that up. It appears that some jumped to conclusions and then it suddenly became FACT.

bam bam has a few things s/he needs to clear up, it seems.

I don't remember bam bam saying anything about Chad. I think he/she just said IMO I can tell you that Ron speaks daily with LE, etc. and that upset some people.

I would bet both families speak daily with LE. At least I hope they do. Somebody needs to get them to do something.

Themis

04-08-2009, 08:27 PM

Thanks. When it comes to PDF files I have to wing it and rely on my sources here.
You're welcome. Why do you have to 'wing it' when it comes to PDF files?

Themis

04-08-2009, 08:30 PM

My comp freezes up when I try and download them.
Is that because you don't have the latest version?

Here is a link to a free Adobe Reader 9 software.

http://www.adobe.com/products/reader/

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 08:38 PM

i'm not trying to slander anyone so can you please show me that form that was filed out by Helen? Thank you

and when was Helen and Chad divorced? I know they are divorced but do you know when they were divorced? Thank you

I posted the link to the Florida Divorce Forms, post #281 on this thread.

Here is the direct link to the form to fill out for Temporary Injunction for Protection Against Domestic Violence With Minor Children

http://www.edivorcepapers.com/florida/temp-inj-fot-protection-against-domestic-violence-with-children.pdf

Here is the direnct link to the form to fill out for Temporary Injunction for Protection Against Domestic Violence Without Minor Children

http://www.edivorcepapers.com/florida/temp-inj-for-protection-against-domestic-violence-without-children.pdf

And here is yet another form - this one for Temporary Injunction for Protection Against Repeat Violence

http://www.edivorcepapers.com/florida/temporary-injunction-for-protection-against-repeat-violence.pdf

I believe the divorce decree was issued on the same day that the order of protection was dismissed, but don't make me swear to it.

Themis

04-08-2009, 08:39 PM

Thanks. Its a long way to go to Mexico for such a short work assignment. Hmmm. More curious than ever.

moo
Sometimes you have to go to where the work is. A short work assignment in Texas could have meant much higher pay than what he was used to. He could have written off his out-of-pocket costs for tax purposes.

FYI: There are several Texas / Mexico border cities so it does not necessarily mean he drove a long distance while in Texas to cross the border into Mexico. Perhaps he had his Mother or, more likely, grandmother Sykes with him. Maybe even his sister. A chance to see a foreign country might be very appealing to people who had only known Florida as an adult.

In any event that was over 3 years ago and Crystal did not object either before or after according to the court document.

teresa

04-08-2009, 08:41 PM

Mimi, I think the divorce was final in 2006 (the order was dissolved in 2008). I have to leave but I can find it for you later if you want me to.

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 08:44 PM

Mimi, I think the divorce was final in 2006 (the order was dissolved in 2008). I have to leave but I can find it for you later if you want me to.

Thanks for that reminder, I believe you are correct. Most appreciated.

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 08:47 PM

but doesn't it have to be investigated and proved something happen? because Crystal tried to get one against Ron and the Judge said there was not enough evidence.

Probably depends upon the Judge.

In my case, it was against a local attorney, and I'm almost sure the Judge recognized who it was. In the 1st hearing, I testified that he call had called me & threatened to burn down by house. That was called an emergency order.

After the papers were served, I had to go back. He didn't show up so the judge automatically signed the final order.

By then the threat was over, but I was advised to go for the final order in case something else happened again. The only thing the judge asked me was whether there would be any need for the attorney to be at my work place. That was actually funny since I worked in a secured building.

I also had one against my x-husband during divorce proceedings -- there could have been a number of reasons for that. I don't remember if our son was automatically included. What I do remember is that the police served the papers in my driveway.

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 08:48 PM

but doesn't it have to be investigated and proved something happen? because Crystal tried to get one against Ron and the Judge said there was not enough evidence.

Do you recall where you read or heard that? That the judge said there was not enough evidence?

In the long pdf document of the custody hearing, Crystal clearly stated to the magistrate that she dropped it, that she chose not to pursue it, because it interfered with her ability to see the children. The judge would not have seen anything in the way of evidence if she did not pursue it.

IOW, I do not believe a judge saw evidence & then ruled that there was insufficient evidence. I believe Crystal filed it, then dropped it.

JMO

BobbysGirl

04-08-2009, 08:55 PM

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 08:58 PM

I have a question. I rarely get on here due to personal reasons. Mostly to read a bit.

A question has been nagging me.

Regarding Crystal and Ron. Does Florida have a common law marriage and if so, is divorce a requirement? Sorry, that was 2 questions. Just curious.

TIA

BG

No, they do not recognize common law marriages in Florida. There was a discussion with links waaaaay early in the case about it.

But since I do not have a link right now, I will have to say it is JMO.

Mimi428

04-08-2009, 09:01 PM

More on common law marriage & the state of Florida...

http://www.fldivorceonline.com/flpages/Alimony/commonlawmarriage.asp

One distinction to note (but it does not apply in this case) - if you have a common law marriage in another state (like Texas) - Florida WILL recognize that common law marriage as valid if you leave Texas & go to Florida.

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 09:09 PM

Good Evening

Any new word on Haleigh?

Any word period?

I have been so distraught over the finding of Sandra Cantu (God rest her soul!) that I have avoided this case for just a bit ..

If I were Ron and Crystal, I would be terrified that Haleigh might be found in the same manner.

Have they spoken of it?

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 09:22 PM

http://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_booking_detail.asp?bookingnumber=0802927

So thats basically Haleighs uncle?

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 09:24 PM

Ron's sister's hubby/boyfriend.

moo

Really?

Crime must run in the families

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 09:26 PM

yes ma'am i saw those links ...do you have the one helen filed out. I want to see what she accused Chad of . Thank you

Sounds like a DV issue between her and Chad

(shrug)

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 09:26 PM

Are they married?

Well, they are together, and have kid, I am not sure of marriage......

playnice

04-08-2009, 09:28 PM

Rev Grund just said on NG that he has a PI William Staub . I wonder if this is Cobra?

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 09:32 PM

Rev Grund just said on NG that he has a PI William Staub . I wonder if this is Cobra?

Yes, thats Cobras name.

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 09:33 PM

Gosh, this is sad!

I read comment #5 and I wonder how many times he has been interviewed?

You won't believe this either, I was just thinking today and trying to put pieces together and for some reason, Ron's sister hit me. I have seen her on TV a few times, but honestly I have never seen her cry. I think that is very odd. I could have missed a interview, but I was thinking about Ron's sister JUST TODAY, and that did hit me wrong.

That was before I had any idea she even had a boyfriend or husband. Then today you post a link of him and he is also into drugs.

Yes!

What worries me is all her theft arrests!!

playnice

04-08-2009, 09:36 PM

Who is Rev Grund? Is he on Haleigh's case or someone else's?

Hubby has TV, so I am missing NG.

Rev Grund in on Caylee anthony case. He said that name and I thought surely this guy hasnt inserted himself in both these cases.

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 09:39 PM

That is the only thing I really knew about her, is she seemed to steal alot.

If you put her and her boyfriend/husband together, with their records. Gosh, I am almost starting to turn in a different direction.

And those two have a child together...

This makes me sad for some reason....

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 09:42 PM

i tape JVM and NG and then watch them later, I can watch two hours in about 20 minutes. Thats all they ever have about anything important IMO ...

Me too, especially during baseball season when it's Cardinal game or nothing.

And, GS cookie sales on TV are so "exciting" that the delete button takes care of them.

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 09:48 PM

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 09:58 PM

:biggrin: I remember it well. Scroll up

I'm not so sure that was a wig.

Where can I view this hair?

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 10:05 PM

Hi everyone. Anything new?:rolleyes: I skipped ahead:tonguewag:

defender123

04-08-2009, 10:07 PM

So thats basically Haleighs uncle?

If I was a young lady I would not want to own up to having any extra company..
This sure adds a new twist to the puzzle!

defender123

04-08-2009, 10:13 PM

Are you referring to Jermick?

If I said I only had 3 people in the house and there was later more company .My soon to be husbands( sisters) boyfriend. I would not want to admit it.
It adds a whole new twist.HMMM

MrLucky917B

04-08-2009, 10:15 PM

Remember Ron's sister Crystal on one ofthe video's wearing that horrid wig. Oh my goodness that was a showstopper.

Was that a wig or did a little bomb go off in her hair...

Politigal

04-08-2009, 10:21 PM

There are numerous family members on *both* sides of the fence (Ron and Crystal's) who have criminal records and/or reside near where Haleigh did.

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 10:33 PM

So TN has two kids, Ron and Crystal? Jeez, why all these run ins with the law?

ZooCrew2009

04-08-2009, 10:33 PM

I tried finding it but I can't. Maybe someone who is better at searching than I am can find it for you.

http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/cousinhair.jpg

wow, first time I have seen this.

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 10:40 PM

http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/cousinhair.jpg

wow, first time I have seen this.

Ok, is that real?:scared:

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 10:44 PM

Okaaaayyyy.
We don't know if Haleigh's disappearance does either.
All I'm trying to say. IMHO is it would be remiss not to investigate it though.

Once again MOO, I think LE has cleared some of these people....they're just not telling

Inconsistent statements does not a murder/abductor/kidnapper make.

So what does it make then?

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 10:49 PM

I just have to say, I am happy jvm covered Haleigh just for a few minutes...

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HMC

Lets light a candle for Haleigh and pray for a break she so needs...

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 11:02 PM

http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/cousinhair.jpg

wow, first time I have seen this.

what is it?

crwofter1

04-08-2009, 11:07 PM

Yep, that's the one.

:scared:
I remember when she was on television, I seriously thought it was her real hair. Had no clue it was a wig. Either way I thought then WTH!!:ohmy:

Themis

04-08-2009, 11:09 PM

OMG, I did not know that, I haven't seen him on TV or anything.

I am not be sarcastic, I am being serious - does anyone on either side of Haleighs family NOT have a record?
Apparently not which may account for the drop in coverage on the cable news channels.

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 11:20 PM

:biggrin::biggrin:

Talk about CrazyHair

LOL

That much i see but who is it

Politigal

04-08-2009, 11:25 PM

according to the FL statutes

Domestic Violence with minor children simply means that domestic violence occurred with the minor children present

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 11:26 PM

Ron's sister, Crystal Cummings

No way

Has to be a wig
Was it a fun jest thing?

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 11:27 PM

according to the FL statutes

Domestic Violence with minor children simply means that domestic violence occurred with the minor children present

or minor children in the home

?

Anyway -- no big deal to me unless he harmed a child

DV these days is something as simple as a shove

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 11:40 PM

Its Ron's sister Crystal Cummings

Check out the comments on Art's board. Post 334, its about the washing machine.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#comment-31599

I have read so much as far as the washing machine going back to Feb 12th yet nothing I can find from Ron (although allegedly he stated it)

Driving me batty

What has really bothered me was his interview on Feb 11th when greta asked about Misty discovering Haleigh gone ... was it before or after she got up to use the restroom and he responded .. "I dont know, I never asked"

Huge red flag!

Never bothered to ask the most fundamental question??

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 11:43 PM

Domestic Violence is no big deal to you? :scared:

Don't put words in my mouth please

DV can be anything these days as you well know I imagine

Does not mean he punched her lights outs or anything

Could be an argument and he simply shoved her -- she calls the cops

Until I know the devil in the details I will not pass judgment

Simple as that

Themis

04-08-2009, 11:45 PM

I have read so much as far as the washing machine going back to Feb 12th yet nothing I can find from Ron (although allegedly he stated it)

Driving me batty

What has really bothered me was his interview on Feb 11th when greta asked about Misty discovering Haleigh gone ... was it before or after she got up to use the restroom and he responded .. "I dont know, I never asked"

Huge red flag!

Never bothered to ask the most fundamental question??
IA, Tara, huge red flag.
(1) he didn't care; (2) there was no need to ask; or (3) he didn't expect Misty to tell the truth because of her track record.

TaraCrazyHair

04-08-2009, 11:47 PM

IA, Tara, huge red flag.
(1) he didn't care; (2) there was no need to ask; or (3) he didn't expect Misty to tell the truth because of her track record.

#2 has become my train of thought

Puffybubble

04-08-2009, 11:47 PM

Simply means................

WOW

maybe she was in disguise?

titanfan217

04-08-2009, 11:50 PM

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#comment-31599

Art promises an update in a day or two.

That's good.

What he reports may not be 100% accurate, but probably as accurate as anything else we are getting.

I do have a question about his last update. Is there something in a police report about the washing machine?

Another question that I don't know is in any of AH's material, has anyone listened to the audio between the police and the dispatch, while they were enroute to RC's home? There is an Tyler address mentioned and I believe the officer asked what was going on there. I couldn't catch the reply and wondered if anyone else did or has seen a transcript.

bookie

04-08-2009, 11:50 PM

That is in the long pdf document - the one that is over 50 pages. The magistrate asked them both about it - Crystal had attended, Ron had not. Link to it was posted on 2/13/09 in the links thread.

Meanwhile - where the heck is bam bam? She has been hollaring long & loud about how Ron's personal injury attorneys should be suing people for slander - & yet it is plain as day that the one person who has most certainly been slandered is Chad.

It was posted all over the board that he was still married when he & Crystal got together & had Chloe - WRONG!

It has been posted that he committed domestic violence against his children - based on the form that his wife filled out. The only reason that form applied is because she had minor children. If she had not had them, she would have filled out a different form. NOTHING on that dismissal form indicates he committed violence against children - just that his wife (& he) had minor children. Talk about a slander.... sheesh!

JMO

Page 50 of that document lines 5 through 7.

Magistrate Prugh: I will also require, Mr Cummings, that within 60 days of today you complete a Family Stabilization Course.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

Ron was ordered to take a parenting class. I've seen nothing saying he didn't take it.

bookie

04-08-2009, 11:56 PM

Thank you Mimi for clearing that up. It appears that some jumped to conclusions and then it suddenly became FACT.

No one jumped the gun. At the conclusion of that hearing Ron was ordered to take a parenting class within 60 days. That part of the document was overlooked by some.

bookie

04-09-2009, 12:06 AM

Not overlooked, but the questions remains, did Ron take it.

moo

If he didn't he wouldn't have kept custody of the kids.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 12:10 AM

Puffy, was that meant for Fallen Angel's post, or a comment on the funny hair?

The hair... I mean why would anyone wear that? Maybe she was worried about being seen on tv?

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 12:12 AM

Do you think Ron beat Crystal or his children?

We know for a fact he "hit" his kids.

Pag Boi

04-09-2009, 12:12 AM

but doesn't it have to be investigated and proved something happen? because Crystal tried to get one against Ron and the Judge said there was not enough evidence.

Well, Helen's order against Chad went into effect 5/2006. It wasn't temporary. It was only lifted two years later via Helen's request to the court.

Wonder if Chad somehow intimidated her into going that? Helen possibly is controlled by Chad the same way Ron controlled Crystal :confused:

Should I believe that Chad's mideeds were trivial and should be dismissed? Whereas everything Ron did = a major crime?

rosieposett

04-09-2009, 12:12 AM

IA, Tara, huge red flag.
(1) he didn't care; (2) there was no need to ask; or (3) he didn't expect Misty to tell the truth because of her track record.

good evening Themis. Good to see you. Which of the above are you leaning toward, if I can ask?

Can I have 2 choices? I'm thinking 1 and 2.

crwofter1

04-09-2009, 12:17 AM

#2 has become my train of thought

I'm thinking none of the answers, maybe because it was a made up story to cover the truth whatever that may be. IMO only!!! I'm guessing he never asked if it was before or after the trip to or back from the restroom is because that wasn't the case at all. I hope I'm making sense, Didn't sleep much last night thinking about this case, and Sandra.

Themis

04-09-2009, 12:17 AM

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#comment-31599

Art promises an update in a day or two.
Meadow, that Comment #350 that you pointed out in your link is interesting. It makes me curious if that is true or not. All these references to other website often gets me confused.

If that comment is indeed true and someone reads it from a reliable source other than just a poster's comment, I hope it gets posted here. That could be very bad news for all concerned.

Pag Boi

04-09-2009, 12:22 AM

Not overlooked, but the questions remains, did Ron take it.

moo

LOLOL

You sure? I know you like to visit a lot of websites and post links here. I am just surprised you missed it ;)

2006-01-31
033.CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION-HUSBAND

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

JMOO

crwofter1

04-09-2009, 12:24 AM

good evening Themis. Good to see you. Which of the above are you leaning toward, if I can ask?

Can I have 2 choices? I'm thinking 1 and 2.

I guess I could have just said #2, because he knew the answer. I dunno. I'm going to finish reading up on Sandras case, and hit the hay. My son turns 6 Tues. Party Sat, and lots to do.
Good night all
Gonna pray hard for little HC, and light another candle for the Precious child.:wub:

Themis

04-09-2009, 12:33 AM

good evening Themis. Good to see you. Which of the above are you leaning toward, if I can ask?

Can I have 2 choices? I'm thinking 1 and 2.
Hi there, Rosie -- good to see you, too! Honestly, I don't which which of them to choose. Frankly, at this juncture it would be any one or all 3 of them. Is that sad or what?!
[JMO * Themis]

camracrazy

04-09-2009, 12:33 AM

:confused:

Elizabeth Smart disappeared from her father's home.
Danielle VanDam disappeared from her father's home.
Jessica Lunsford disappeared from her father's home.
Polly Klass disappeared from her father's home.

What's your point? :bored:

not to argue, but just to state the facts, Polly disappeared from her mother's home:

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/klaas/1.html

On another note, if Misty was messing around with another guy, why agree to marry Ron so quickly? The whole marriage thing seemed in bad taste at the time anyway, but if she didn't love him enough to be faithful why do it? :shrug:

bookie

04-09-2009, 12:34 AM

Meadow, that Comment #350 that you pointed out in your link is interesting. It makes me curious if that is true or not. All these references to other website often gets me confused.

If that comment is indeed true and someone reads it from a reliable source other than just a poster's comment, I hope it gets posted here. That could be very bad news for all concerned.

I don't see them being able to fire him over rumors.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 12:46 AM

we do? got a link?

You could not have possibly missed the links and video where Ron says he hits the kids according to the guidelines of DCF right?

Pag Boi

04-09-2009, 12:48 AM

Or it could have been a trip for something entirely different. I'm not buying it was a vacation, or that he took his mom or GGm with him. If it was work related, he could have left the children at home with his mom, and had a much less stressful trip.

moo

It could have been many things but it doesn't matter what you are buying. I am not even sure why you want to make something sinsiter out of Ron's KNOWN activities 3.5 years ago Crystal didn't make any insinuations about why Ron went to TX or took the kids to Mexico? Why should you? How does this help find Haleigh? TIA

As for stress, iwas too stressful for Crystal to get out of bed and take her babies to the doctor? Show up at her scheduled custody hearing? Post "brats" on her myspace page?

Was it too stressful for Crystal to pay her court ordered child support?

We know Crystal handled the stress of being interviewed my multiple tabloid stories. Maybe that is why she appears all over the map with her comments and allegations? I really think poor ol' Crystal is misunderstood.

JMOO

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 12:52 AM

no i haven't seen him saying that. i heard him say he spanked them but i never heard him say he HIT them...........

Nice try though...

Ok, well check out the video where he states he hits them withing guidelines.

just out of curiosity, if he gets thrown in jail for anything haleigh related, will you still support him so vehemently?

Themis

04-09-2009, 12:52 AM

I am reading Arts site again and for the life of me - WHY did Ron marry Misty?

I mean, she is " in love " love with Ron " per Art Harris site" , but she sleeps with a guy 3 times in 3 days per AH site.

In a small town like that, I just can not believe Ron had not heard about this before the wedding.

I just don't get it!
Well, Apple, this has been discussed many times.
According to Misty's mother, Lisa Croslin, she stated on the day she, Misty, and Ron picked up the marriage papers from the courthouse, that Misty and Ron had been together for 7 months and had 'been after her' for 5 months to sign parental approval for her minor daughter to get married.

Ron's mother, Teresa Neves, is on record several times as supporting Misty and you just saw Neves' words on the A.H. website. Misty is, paraphrasing, the best of the best of her son's girlfriends. She thinks so highly of Misty and, I assume, the marriage, that she and/or Sykes gave Ron that heirloom engagement ring to give to Misty.

Ron's grandmother, Annette Sykes, thinks Misty is great, too, according to several statements that have made it into news articles and on video. Paraphrasing again, Misty is so mature, much more more than many girls her age; Misty saw to it that Haleigh left for school each morning looking as if she had just been to a beauty parlor; Misty loves Ron's children and they love her. Ron loves Misty...Misty loves Ron.

So, Ron had the approval of the 2 most important women in his life to marry Misty. Don't know about any approval coming from his own father, Luther Jack Cummings, or his step-father whom I have not seen hide nor hair of. Crystal Cummings, Ron's sister, has not been heard from with any resounding approval rating that I know of.

Any other questions I can answer for you?:wink::rolleyes:

[JMO * Themis]

teresa

04-09-2009, 12:52 AM

Not overlooked, but the questions remains, did Ron take it.

moo

He must have. The court proceedings on the Putnam Co website says 1-31-06 Certificate of Completion-husband.

Puffybubble

04-09-2009, 01:07 AM

heck no.........i've said this a 1000 times if i find out he beat his children i hope he rots in jail.

and i'm NOT supporting Ronald. Never have.

If you find out Crystal lied about the abuse will you still support her so vehemently?

No, of course not.

titanfan217

04-09-2009, 01:07 AM

Well, Helen's order against Chad went into effect 5/2006. It wasn't temporary. It was only lifted two years later via Helen's request to the court.

Wonder if Chad somehow intimidated her into going that? Helen possibly is controlled by Chad the same way Ron controlled Crystal :confused:

Should I believe that Chad's mideeds were trivial and should be dismissed? Whereas everything Ron did = a major crime?

I would be surprised if an OP is permanent. I'm definitely too tired to check Florida law tonight, but in Illinois the final order is good for 2 years. The time frame may have changed in the last 10 years.

The person I had the order against asked me to remove it, but I told him I was just going to let it expire which it did.

I have a question --- does anyone here have access to recent Putnam County marriage records?

teresa

04-09-2009, 01:14 AM

Chad's order lasted 31 months. The only thing I could find from the court records is that the case between Chad and Helen (Hellen?) was transferred into Baker Co. It doesn't say from where but they did live in Georgia from what I understand. There is no earlier case for them in a different FL county so I would guess it is from Georgia. Either that or the prior documentation is sealed.

I've checked Georgia records and they don't have the open laws like FL does and you have to pay for their info, at least as far as I can tell.

Themis

04-09-2009, 01:18 AM

LOL..NO, because I take it, you must be like me......WHAT is that family thinking? ( not a question, just making a statement..lol)
I'm right there beside you, Apple. What can I say?!:tongueside: You do know, don't you, that if this was written as a script for a play or TV show, it would never gets passed the first review. The word phrase 'too farfetched' comes to my mind.

[JMO * Themis]

P.S. And with that I'll say goodnight to all.

Pag Boi

04-09-2009, 01:24 AM

I watched a bit of the NG show. Did anyone else hear Richard Grund say that he had hired a PI by the name of William Staub???? Isn't that Cobra's real name????

teresa

04-09-2009, 01:28 AM

Then why get married, just live together if you do not plan on being faithful

apple, if we choose to believe Cobra and Ron booted Misty out that weekend and if we believe Greg and he gave Misty that many drugs during that weekend, she wasn't having "intimate" relations with him, she was being raped. She wouldn't be in any condition to know what she was doing.

As far as Ron marrying her, I can only come up with four theories-

-Remember the Friday before the engagement when the two State's Attorney's did a walk through the MH with Ron? They may have put a bug in his ear at all the flack they were getting regarding the age difference (even though it was only illegal for 41 days based on their birthdays IIRC).

-Cobra is being truthful and it is a case of keeping his only connection to, and hope for finding, Haleigh

-She's pregnant.

-The upcoming custody battle. If it is this, he would have had a better chance by sending her to live somewhere else until this case is solved.

It could be any combination of these theories, I guess. It was a mistake either way IMO.

titanfan217

04-09-2009, 01:37 AM

well Chads lasted two years and about seven months. so was it renewed?

It was in Florida. That probably have different time frames, and yes, it could have been renewed, but I would expect a judge would want evidence it needed to be.

OK I just read a later post that it might have started in another state and transferred. This is just a thought but Florida may have started the effective period when it was transferred.

Again, each jurisdiction is different, and you'd have to read the specific laws.

I'm tired tonight so hope this makes sense.

teresa

04-09-2009, 02:03 AM

Good night everyone........

:rose: Haleigh please come home soon angel.

Nite. I join you in hoping for Haleigh.

Mimi428

04-09-2009, 02:49 AM

yes ma'am i saw those links ...do you have the one helen filed out. I want to see what she accused Chad of . Thank you

No, I have not seen it.

Mimi428

04-09-2009, 03:15 AM

I don't see them being able to fire him over rumors.

No idea if that story is true or not, but it would not surprise me if PDM Bridge had a section on their employment application asking about arrests, etc. If an employee gives false information, that is cause for dismissal.

Personally, I think it would be rather doubtful that Ron would just walk back through the door without first contacting someone at PDM Bridge about returning to work. And that would seem like as good a time as any for them to ask him about any potential mis-statements on his employment application.

JMO

aproudmom

04-09-2009, 04:08 AM

I watched a bit of the NG show. Did anyone else hear Richard Grund say that he had hired a PI by the name of William Staub???? Isn't that Cobra's real name????

guess I missed that huh

aproudmom

04-09-2009, 04:13 AM

I always come here hoping to hear good news I wish this child would be found it is 2 months:crying:and nothing since day 1

Good night everyone........
Haleigh please come home soon angel.

Pag Boi

04-09-2009, 06:07 AM

No idea if that story is true or not, but it would not surprise me if PDM Bridge had a section on their employment application asking about arrests, etc. If an employee gives false information, that is cause for dismissal.

Personally, I think it would be rather doubtful that Ron would just walk back through the door without first contacting someone at PDM Bridge about returning to work. And that would seem like as good a time as any for them to ask him about any potential mis-statements on his employment application.

JMO

Emphasis above by me. I agree that you have no idea what is true. You have no idea what the application asked or if Ron filled it out untruthfully. Here are some counterpoints:

*ron filled out entire application truthfully. doesn't matter what Q's were

*app only asked for CONVICTIONS

*applicant required to provide own background check from courthouse

*company does own background check

*company doesn't give a carp

*company hires offenders & gets a tax deduction

Of course Ron would notify the company he was ready to come back to work (ASSuming he notified the company & took a leave of absense to begin with). I would put a lot more faith in what Ron & his employer know vst what some casual observers hope happens. But that's just me.

Perhaps you could call Human Resources and quiz them on their company policies and procedures regarding staff hires? Let us know if they meet your standards. Do you think Ron somehow slip thru the cracks?

At least he had a job.

JMOO

Themis

04-09-2009, 06:58 AM

Emphasis above by me. I agree that you have no idea what is true. You have no idea what the application asked or if Ron filled it out untruthfully.

<respectfully snipped>

At least he had a job.

JMOO

Bolding is mine.

You make a valid observation -- Ronald Cummings was working. I hope he still has a job to return to.

Pag Boi

04-09-2009, 07:20 AM

<snipped>

I don't know what you have read or heard, but so far, I have not read nor have I heard anything from anyone indicating Chad was near that MH on the night in question. I haven't even heard that it has been rumored around town, that others are gossiping about him & his treatment of the kids, etc. Nothing. Nada. Zip, zero, zilch.

The only things I have essentially heard about Chad is the totally erroneous information that he was still a married man - & we finally got that straightened out a couple of weeks ago - and that he had an order of protection against him for a signficiant period of time.

If I had the opportunity to read/see/hear something to give us an indication of how that order of protection came to be issued, what it was about, what was alleged or proven - then I might be able to muster up more concern about Chad.

But until I get some bona fide information that he was within 50 yards of that MH on the night in question, I just don't have a heck of a lot of concern about him. I am sure somewhere in the wide realm of possibility that he could have snuck out of the house, driven to Ron's MH, abducted Haleigh & did something to her, drove back home & somehow nobody ever noticed he was gone for all those hours - but I think it is not at all likely that something like that happened.

JMO

Here is Chad's bust. Odd how he could afford to buy cocaine but needed a court appointed atty. That's a good thing about the legal system.

http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/courtcase.aspx?casetype=Criminal&case=06000240CFMA

I'd like to know where everyone was on BOTH sides of the family.

We've heard where Ron was. Where Misty was supposed to be. I've never heard about anyone else's alibi - except the SO's wearing GPS devices.

It's not likely that a child would go missing. But it happened. Every avenue should be thoroughly investigated. Or do you believe LE only failed to properly investigate Ron & Misty? LE did an excellent job investigating every other possibility?

JMOO

CANDYKISSES

04-09-2009, 09:15 AM

It could have been many things but it doesn't matter what you are buying. I am not even sure why you want to make something sinsiter out of Ron's KNOWN activities 3.5 years ago Crystal didn't make any insinuations about why Ron went to TX or took the kids to Mexico? Why should you? How does this help find Haleigh? TIA

As for stress, iwas too stressful for Crystal to get out of bed and take her babies to the doctor? Show up at her scheduled custody hearing? Post "brats" on her myspace page?

Was it too stressful for Crystal to pay her court ordered child support?

We know Crystal handled the stress of being interviewed my multiple tabloid stories. Maybe that is why she appears all over the map with her comments and allegations? I really think poor ol' Crystal is misunderstood.

JMOO

Well Pag, it's alleged now that Kim is claiming Crystal thought she was paying child support from her check BACK WHEN she had a job. I am emailing ART HARRIS and JVM to see if they can confirm what I copied from here as coming out of Kim's mouth as I post. Hopefully we can get an answer soon.

I don't believe anyone wouldn't know whether or not child support was being deducted from their pay, but alas, we know Kim is trying to package Crystal as naive and after some of the blunders along the way, it's no wonder this was all allegedly from a phone conversation between Kim and an anonymous message board poster IMOO. :rolleyes:

ALL JMO