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Texas48

04-07-2009, 07:54 AM

Good morning everyone. Thanks for the new thread Frankie. Devastating news in the Sandra Cantou case, may she rest in peace.

I hope the Satsuma sheriff's department, step up their investigation on those who have not given consistent stories. Haleigh needs to be brought home.Good morning Jo..and Frankie..TY for getting us started. There is such a sadness in the air as I post. One case right after another. I think about the monsters that surround us and our children. I was reading this am playing catchup..on the SC thread from last night 51 Viking posted #665. I agree with his *punishment* for these monsters. Heavy heavy heart for the mother..father..family of little Sandra Cantu. Little Caylee has been found..Little Sandra has been found..and it is PAST time for little Haleigh to be found and returned to her family. LE should step up their pace for Haleigh...this child MATTERS.:sad:

psbperu

04-07-2009, 08:33 AM

Good Morning all.

Tough news last nite about the California case. Hoping LE in Satsuma will step up their investigation particularly in questioning Misty & Ron.

Texas48

04-07-2009, 08:52 AM

Good Morning all.

Tough news last nite about the California case. Hoping LE in Satsuma will step up their investigation particularly in questioning Misty & Ron. I believe you are right. Many have Not Agreed with Crystal..Crystal's attorney KP..Ron..Misty and Cobra..But it is my firm belief that is it was not for these ppl and the drama that comes w/each little Haleigh would be falling from all media/shows and even us. Its should not be this way but it is the "juice" in a case that keeps that case upfront. I will never forget about Cindy Anthony saying she would do whatever it takes to keep Caylee's name and ohoto up front...out there. Many grew to "dislike" CA but she did what she had to do....She was true to her words..I have to give her that. The same thing has to be done w/Haleigh..she has to be "out there"..not to become a "cold case" jmo

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 09:09 AM

Good morning everyone
I just heard the news on HLN about SC. SOOOO SAD:sad: I hope they hey get the Perp. Quickly, and they ROT IN HELL!!:cursing:

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 09:20 AM

I believe you are right. Many have Not Agreed with Crystal..Crystal's attorney KP..Ron..Misty and Cobra..But it is my firm belief that is it was not for these ppl and the drama that comes w/each little Haleigh would be falling from all media/shows and even us. Its should not be this way but it is the "juice" in a case that keeps that case upfront. I will never forget about Cindy Anthony saying she would do whatever it takes to keep Caylee's name and ohoto up front...out there. Many grew to "dislike" CA but she did what she had to do....She was true to her words..I have to give her that. The same thing has to be done w/Haleigh..she has to be "out there"..not to become a "cold case" jmo

I emailed the NG show 3 times asking why all the coverage on CA when there are children missing, and asked her what if it were her baby missing.:angry:

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 09:35 AM

And I assume the immediate loud response was........nothing.

actually....it was probably

BOMBSHELL!!! "tot-mom..... nothing

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 09:46 AM

This is a good time to do that; before she lawyers up.

It is probably too late to get her to talk w/o a lawyer. I'm thinking the next time they bring her in, she will refuse to talk w/o a lawyer. It seems the players on both side know how to get PD's. I think that will be her next move, if they try to quesion her again. JMO

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 09:48 AM

Nancys lack of reporting on Haleigh and so many others is disturbing. I understand that Casey brings ratings, but the search is over, the Haleigh case could be just as sensational if she would look at it and examine the facts, something I dont think she does, but she does have two young children, she can not be as obsessed and in the know as we are, with the mere facts we are dealt, which isn't much...

actually it has to do with not only the sensationalism and ratings....but these are two different worlds of people....

Although WE are concerned with BOTH of these cases.....there is ALWAYS the consideration of a target audience for every show....and every story covered.....they choose where the advertisers are going to place their ads depending on the TARGET AUDIENCE<potential moneymaking>...

the anthony case draws a different crowd marketwise.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 09:49 AM

Good morning Jo..and Frankie..TY for getting us started. There is such a sadness in the air as I post. One case right after another. I think about the monsters that surround us and our children. I was reading this am playing catchup..on the SC thread from last night 51 Viking posted #665. I agree with his *punishment* for these monsters. Heavy heavy heart for the mother..father..family of little Sandra Cantu. Little Caylee has been found..Little Sandra has been found..and it is PAST time for little Haleigh to be found and returned to her family. LE should step up their pace for Haleigh...this child MATTERS.:sad:

It seems both Sandra and Caylee were found by accident, not by anything LE did. I feel sorry for LE. It is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Sometimes I wish that LE could have psychic ability to help figure out these cases. I also think about the 2 little girls in OK that were murdered. LE was on the scene within the hr., yet they cannot solve the case. JMO

Texas48

04-07-2009, 09:54 AM

Nancys lack of reporting on Haleigh and so many others is disturbing. I understand that Casey brings ratings, but the search is over, the Haleigh case could be just as sensational if she would look at it and examine the facts, something I dont think she does, but she does have two young children, she can not be as obsessed and in the know as we are, with the mere facts we are dealt, which isn't much...I believe NG has a vendetta against KC and wants every little bit of dirt on her made public...This comes to KC and CA giving a thumbs down to the NG Show. KC clearly says it on tape and CA would never give NG an interview..I also think that is why NG jumped at the chance to "be nice" to TN and family..that way she got the first "house tour"..She beat Greta to it this time..If I recall Greta had the "tour" w/Cindy and George but would NOT give NG the time of day..RATINGS...Side note..sometimes I wounder if it got under Nancy's skin that JVM got her own show which by the way comes on BEFORE NG...hmmmmmm..jmo

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 09:55 AM

I believe you are right. Many have Not Agreed with Crystal..Crystal's attorney KP..Ron..Misty and Cobra..But it is my firm belief that is it was not for these ppl and the drama that comes w/each little Haleigh would be falling from all media/shows and even us. Its should not be this way but it is the "juice" in a case that keeps that case upfront. I will never forget about Cindy Anthony saying she would do whatever it takes to keep Caylee's name and ohoto up front...out there. Many grew to "dislike" CA but she did what she had to do....She was true to her words..I have to give her that. The same thing has to be done w/Haleigh..she has to be "out there"..not to become a "cold case" jmo

It looks like everything has stopped anyway. There has not been any new links since Sun. None of the shows are mentioning it and very few posters are posting. I guess part of that could be from the new document release in the CA case. I also think media might be getting turned off because of the family dispute about custody. JMO

Pat

04-07-2009, 10:11 AM

....and very few posters are posting. I guess part of that could be from the new document release in the CA case. I also think media might be getting turned off because of the family dispute about custody. JMO

(Bolding mine)

The barrage of giddy rumormongering is my reason.

I don't give a flying flip about unsubstaniated rumors and don't care to read the distasteful posts, most of which have no foundation.

The focus is off Haleigh and who is right in their opinion of each of the parents.

The tabloid turn this case has taken is sad

I'll wait for breaking news, if there is any, when Haleigh is found.

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 10:23 AM

It looks like everything has stopped anyway. There has not been any new links since Sun. None of the shows are mentioning it and very few posters are posting. I guess part of that could be from the new document release in the CA case. I also think media might be getting turned off because of the family dispute about custody. JMO

I can understand the medias reasoning....although I dont think it is right for the missing children.

I understand the posters that are following multiple cases.

But what I do NOT understand is why LE is letting this case go.....There are answers right there in the micddle of THAT FAMILY.....It is time for LE to stop making excuses as to why the case has become derailed and get it back on track.

forensicfan

04-07-2009, 10:27 AM

I believe you are right. Many have Not Agreed with Crystal..Crystal's attorney KP..Ron..Misty and Cobra..But it is my firm belief that is it was not for these ppl and the drama that comes w/each little Haleigh would be falling from all media/shows and even us. Its should not be this way but it is the "juice" in a case that keeps that case upfront. I will never forget about Cindy Anthony saying she would do whatever it takes to keep Caylee's name and ohoto up front...out there. Many grew to "dislike" CA but she did what she had to do....She was true to her words..I have to give her that. The same thing has to be done w/Haleigh..she has to be "out there"..not to become a "cold case" jmo

You are right! I had not thought of it that way but you have an excellent point.

Unfortunately, very little about this case has been in the media lately. It was all over the media at first but then seemed to drop because of (I think) lack of information from LE. I fully understand what I perceive to be their reasoning for keeping tight lipped on what they have but I think that it may be backfiring in a way because the media seems to be losing interest and that is not good (obviously).

Texas48

04-07-2009, 10:31 AM

I wonder why Misty hasn't got a lawyer since it seems to revolve around her. As for now, I do believe she was home, whether she was passed out, exhausted from her weekend, whatever.

Thanks lizzieI tend to agree w/you about Misty being home that night/morning. Could it even be possible that she does NOT remember what happened?

Texas48

04-07-2009, 10:34 AM

(Bolding mine)

The barrage of giddy rumormongering is my reason.

I don't give a flying flip about unsubstaniated rumors and don't care to read the distasteful posts, most of which have no foundation.

The focus is off Haleigh and who is right in their opinion of each of the parents.

The tabloid turn this case has taken is sad

I'll wait for breaking news, if there is any, when Haleigh is found.OK..after reading your post..for some reason..I feel the need to say "I'm sorry."

grammie/va

04-07-2009, 10:38 AM

FrankieBones1

04-07-2009, 10:41 AM

I tend to agree w/you about Misty being home that night/morning. Could it even be possible that she does NOT remember what happened?

And if that is true, that is what she should have told LE. Honesty is best policy...Always.

forensicfan

04-07-2009, 10:46 AM

I'm with Pat in wanting facts rather than possible fiction.

It was mentioned at one time that family hired a psychic but nothing was said thereafter. I do believe in psychics but I think there are more fraudulent ones than authentic and I hope they didn't get suckered.

On an episode of Forensic Files two nights ago, a woman underwent hypnosis to help remember details about a child abduction that she witnessed. I am still wondering about that possible sighting of Haleigh in Tennessee with a middle aged man at a restaurant that appeared to be trying to shield her face from view. The people that noticed him felt he was suspicious enough to report it so that says something to me. The red Toyota Rav4 had Florida plates. I'm wondering if the staff members that reported the possible sighting could undergo hypnosis to try to remember the plate number. It couldn't hurt.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:51 AM

I wonder why Misty hasn't got a lawyer since it seems to revolve around her. As for now, I do believe she was home, whether she was passed out, exhausted from her weekend, whatever.

Thanks lizzie

Maybe it's because she knows she didn't have anything to do with the appearance, but I think the most logical reason is $'s. If/when they charge her, then she will declare that she is destitute and the taxpayers will have to provide her with a lawyer and any experts that will be needed to defend for whatever she is charged. JMO

Texas48

04-07-2009, 10:53 AM

Texas48

04-07-2009, 10:54 AM

I dont think she knows, I think Ron knows what happened.....thats another good point..one to look at..

Mimi428

04-07-2009, 10:55 AM

I tend to agree w/you about Misty being home that night/morning. Could it even be possible that she does NOT remember what happened?

I have wondered that same thing, more than once.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 11:00 AM

You are right! I had not thought of it that way but you have an excellent point.

Unfortunately, very little about this case has been in the media lately. It was all over the media at first but then seemed to drop because of (I think) lack of information from LE. I fully understand what I perceive to be their reasoning for keeping tight lipped on what they have but I think that it may be backfiring in a way because the media seems to be losing interest and that is not good (obviously).

Main stream media was only involved for a short period of time. Seems they lost interest when GR started his mess. Local media has not covered anything lately either. It is my opinion that all the dirty laundry that has been aired is one of the reasons. I don't think the media wants to cover things that have been on these message boards. Until they have proof that anything is true, they probably are afraid of being liable. This AM a link was posted to a media source that I had never heard of. Basically all they said was what was in the AH article. We know that some things in the AH article conflicts with local media reports. All the "late breaking news" from KP & Cobra, and published by AH was already known to LE. Hate to say it, but until there is a break in the case that is confirmed by LE, I don't think there will be much coverage. JMO

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 11:01 AM

Nancys lack of reporting on Haleigh and so many others is disturbing. I understand that Casey brings ratings, but the search is over, the Haleigh case could be just as sensational if she would look at it and examine the facts, something I dont think she does, but she does have two young children, she can not be as obsessed and in the know as we are, with the mere facts we are dealt, which isn't much...

I'm here, just been reading WS to see if any arrests been made. What ticks me off is that Nancy is also a crime victim herself, maybe not a child crime victim, but she know the pain of losing a loved one, and as much as she loves children why can't she help others, and I don't mean 5 minutes worth of coverage, Little Trenton got tons of coverage.:cursing::sad:

Texas48

04-07-2009, 11:04 AM

And if that is true, that is what she should have told LE. Honesty is best policy...Always.I so agree Frankie..if Misty does not remember because of ANYTHING..it would still be better to tell LE that than to have made up a story about what happened..if indeed she did make it up..??

summer4meplz

04-07-2009, 11:04 AM

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 11:07 AM

I look at it this way..your sitting on a river bank fishing and have not had NOT EVEN a nibble..Then its time to change the bait...try something different in other words..

Yep....Or instead of a single pole....run a line....cast a net...

I know they have something....they MAY be letting their POI have enough rope to hang himself/herself....
Eventually someone will slip up ....It may not be a direct slip up....but "It" tells me that somebody knows what "it" is....kwim?....

<like in that leaked video before caylee was known to be dead where casey said "ur going to try and trick me into a confession">....That kind of thing...

Texas48

04-07-2009, 11:10 AM

But we don't know how many bites LE got just because they are not releasing info to the public. Can you tell me one nibble or bite that LE has got since changing bait. You do not go from worms in fresh water to shrimp.... MOOI do not know that LE has changed bait bam bam...I do not know if LE has had any nibbles..I do not know what LE is doing to find Haleigh...And I have fished w/shrimp many a time in fresh water..but have found pearch works best.

Texas48

04-07-2009, 11:12 AM

The sheriff department in Satsuma probably won't find her cuz they ain't looking, as far as I can determine.

The only people who seem to be investigating are Kim Picazio and her team of investigators. I believe that they may be able to shake out some information from those that have something to hide.

Thank goodness Crystal Sheffield has the resources of this attorney.Similar to shaking bad apples out of the apple tree..??

Texas48

04-07-2009, 11:19 AM

Yep....Or instead of a single pole....run a line....cast a net...

I know they have something....they MAY be letting their POI have enough rope to hang himself/herself....
Eventually someone will slip up ....It may not be a direct slip up....but "It" tells me that somebody knows what "it" is....kwim?....

<like in that leaked video before caylee was known to be dead where casey said "ur going to try and trick me into a confession">....That kind of thing...you are good...and your most likely correct. there will be someone to open their mouth.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 11:26 AM

I respectfully disagree with you. LE is working with evidence that they got before KP and the monkey entered the scene.
You really think KP and her team is going to shake out information from these people in Satsuma, if you do you are wrong. Anyone who knew anything LE has already miles ahead of her. She has NOT got any info LE did not already have. The only thing she has done is complicate things by closing the doors of info that were once opened...

The only information that KP is going to get is from people who are on CS's side. I'm sure the people of Satsuma are the same as the people who are posting on message boards. Most of them have taken one side or the other and there is no meeting in the middle. I still can't get the image of that one woman that was standing by CS and the reporter let her make a statement on camera. When she was finished, she looked over at CS and grinned as if to say, "I did good, didn't I".

Has anyone heard how the weekend parade(s) and Catfish Festival turned out? Wasn't the Haleighbug group going to participate in these? JMO

Mimi428

04-07-2009, 11:33 AM

The only things Kim Picazio has found has been salacious gossip that has nothing to do with the disappearance of Haleigh imo.

Unless you have the ability to see into the future, you can't know at this time whether any of the so-called 'salacious gossip' is related to Haleigh's disappearence.

You would have to know with a certainty all the elements that are related in order to declare that one thing or another isn't related.

I'm agreeing with the position that the more branches that are shaken, the better. The more bait that is used, the better. LE has stated that they won't be divulging inside details, but just because they won't tell us details it sure doesn't mean they don't have any.

I think it is reasonable to believe some of the stories about folks who are deliberately making themselves scarce. That there are people who just don't want to talk to LE and don't give a hoot in h#ll about an innocent child being missing, because if they said anything it would expose them as drug users & they are more interested in keeping their own secrets & protecting their own sources for drugs than they are in helping LE.

JMO

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 11:43 AM

It is probably too late to get her to talk w/o a lawyer. I'm thinking the next time they bring her in, she will refuse to talk w/o a lawyer. It seems the players on both side know how to get PD's. I think that will be her next move, if they try to quesion her again. JMO

Good -- maybe the lawyer can explain what the truth means.

forensicfan

04-07-2009, 11:46 AM

I've wondered why LE doesn't use hypnosis more to get details ...is it unreliable?

Not necessarily. It's not admissible in court though. Still, they could TRY. Nothing else is panning out.

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 11:49 AM

I've never had a response from NG's show.
Hope you have better luck!

I hate what happened to Caylee, but the trial would be better use of NG's time when it is underway.

Right now Haleigh needs more than the 5 minute blurb she is getting. :cursing:

:angry:Shame on NG!! IMO!!:thumbdown:

Mimi428

04-07-2009, 12:02 PM

Do you think these people will talk to a attorney are her bunch? Surely they are street smart enough to know if they give her info that leads to anyone that she has to turn it over to LE and they will be knocking on their doors to verify... If KP had not interjected herself into this case, everyone would still open their doors to LE instead of closing them. LE can make deals. KP and bounty hunters can NOT......

As an example - If I tell KP or one of her investigators that my drug-using sister saw you at the local bar between the hours of 11 pm & midnight - LE does not necessarily need to come knocking on MY door. They could go to the bar, they could hunt down my drug-using sister & talk to her, they could confront you & say, "Bam Bam, we keep hearing that you were at the local bar between 11 & midnight - & you say you were at home. Is there something you haven't told us?".

CWIM?

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 12:06 PM

:angry:Shame on NG!! IMO!!:thumbdown:

dont forget....it isnt REALLY Nancy that calls all the shots there....The owners of the Network, the advetrtisers....the Target market<to the advertisers> have a WHOLE LOT to do with this....It is more about who can bring in more money than it is about the actual content of the "News"

Mimi428

04-07-2009, 12:18 PM

teresa

04-07-2009, 12:35 PM

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 12:46 PM

Kim Picazio has said several things that turned out to be false. Like the picture of Haleigh after the playground fall that she tried to twist into child abuse. She also implied that Greg was in the home with Misti the night Haleigh went missing but that one backfired on her.

What happened to all the people that were going to notify LE of Misty being out the night Haleigh went missing? :confused:

KP is disgraceful IMO and her intent has nothing to do with Haleigh Cummings or her client IMO. :thumbdown:

Trying to rewrite history with Crystal has become more of a job than she was ready for including Kim herself stepping in the doo-doo along the way IMO. My impression is that Kim plays fast and loose with the law, likes to stir the pot and teeters on the line when it comes to ethics. JMO tho.

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 12:51 PM

I didn't hear Greg say anything about what was happening in that household, sort of lives they were living, or the kinds of things they were doing. Did I miss it???

I've not heard the conversation that he had with KP? DId I miss that?

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 12:52 PM

respectfully snipped

Haven't heard tell of him for days and days. Anybody?? Somebody??

Just rumors that some local person said saw him over the weekend.

Texas48

04-07-2009, 12:53 PM

I've stopped watching both JVM's "breaking news" and NG's "bombshells".

They have neither.

Most things they talk about (when they DO mention Haleigh) have been hashed and rehashed HERE a couple of days before either of their staff gets wind....

You can get a response by turning off the TV instead of e-mail to either show.

Ratings take having folks tuned-in......so don't. :bored:
IMHO, as alwaysI believe their staff probably get their information from "the boards." Now that I said that..meybe we should ask for a paycheck..??? On a serious note...their *shows* would be of great value for "The missing Children."

Texas48

04-07-2009, 01:01 PM

Do you think these people will talk to a attorney are her bunch? Surely they are street smart enough to know if they give her info that leads to anyone that she has to turn it over to LE and they will be knocking on their doors to verify... If KP had not interjected herself into this case, everyone would still open their doors to LE instead of closing them. LE can make deals. KP and bounty hunters can NOT......We cannot blame KP..Crystal..Ron..Misty..TN..GGM...a/c man..for NOT having this baby found..Heck..think about this..LE was going no where BEFORE KP came to town..One should NOT point the fingers at anyone in this case for LE being unable to gather info..gather evidence..find Haleigh..LE has stated that Misty's statements/stories have not matched up..I don't even place blame on Misty at this point. It is very possible she has told them what she knows/remembers...It is very possible LE *knows* how this kidnapping went down..sitting back and watching..waiting.

Texas48

04-07-2009, 01:03 PM

Thank you, thank you, my point from the git go....Bam..My guess would be that everyone everywhere knows about the "shows"...Ratings is what keeps them on the air..No one is that clueless...

Texas48

04-07-2009, 01:07 PM

2boysMom

04-07-2009, 01:09 PM

What happened to all the people that were going to notify LE of Misty being out the night Haleigh went missing? :confused:

KP is disgraceful IMO and her intent has nothing to do with Haleigh Cummings or her client IMO. :thumbdown:

Trying to rewrite history with Crystal has become more of a job than she was ready for including Kim herself stepping in the doo-doo along the way IMO. My impression is that Kim plays fast and loose with the law, likes to stir the pot and teeters on the line when it comes to ethics. JMO tho.

I agree with all that you have said about KP. For me, finding out about her association with Cobra was what really turned me off bigtime. Followed by seeing the huge grin on her face on JVM when she "just got off the phone with Greg!" It just seemed unprofessional and juvenile. I don't think she has helped this case one bit and I don't think she cares about little Haleigh. JMO

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 01:16 PM

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 01:16 PM

A question...did anyone know about Greg before Cobra/KP put it out there? Not talking about LE..talking about the public.

I did not know about his name, but the info was out there that Misty had been away for the weekend. The public knowing his name does not make LE any closer to solving Haleigh's disappearance. Also seems all the media outlets are backing away. JMO

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 01:18 PM

Since he wasn't with Misti when haleigh disappeared it doesn't matter if anyone other than LE knew about him....which is what makes that whole issue salacious gossip put out by Kim Picazio.

In my opinion...it is just a distraction from the investigation....intentional or not.....and I STILL think Crystal, Misty, AND Ron either KNOW exactly what happened or KNOW who did "IT".

Texas48

04-07-2009, 01:28 PM

Personally I don't remember, but has it helped LE since it become public??NO.....IMOI don't know what has helped and what hasn't...LE does not confide in me..Wish they did.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 01:35 PM

bookie post #102

celtic post #103

Best posts to date, IMO, to what is going on with Haleigh.

At this point, I think I would be in or at LE, bothering them so much that they would know I am not taking their excuses any longer. If they can't or won't put their minds together to find a missing child, get someone in that can.

Sad to say, but there are cases that have never been solved. Depends on who gets lucky, the perp or LE, in a lot of cases. Look at the Drew Peterson case. One would think it would be harder to hide a grown person's body than a child, but it happens. JMO

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 01:39 PM

Here you go.

http://www.artharris.com/

Thanks but I was asking about any documentation of his conversation with KP.

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 01:40 PM

They weren't willing to lie?

I don't know bookie, and the theatrical video on the AH site with Teresa Neves was over the line with me. Come on, there were eight editing splices I could count and trying to sell it off they way it was done was again a reminder of birds of a feather and all that regarding Cobra.

I see some editing has been done on the article AH had with it and find it odd that Art didn't put an explanation up.

As if it isn't bad enough that our children are going missing while they skip happily along going to visit friends and from their own homes, now it seems the circus acts pull into town and are almost like vultures with these unprepared unsuspecting people who we call victims otherwise known as families of the missing IMO. :mad:

:wub:GIVE THIS FAMILY A MIRACLE AND BRING HALEIGH HOME SAFE.

rosieposett

04-07-2009, 01:43 PM

I would have agreed with you before the kidnappings of Polly Klaas, Elizabeth Smart and Jessica Lunsford. Those cases showed us the risk pedophiles are willing to take to get what they want.

Yes, the kidnapping of Polly, Elizabeth and Jessica sure opened our eyes to the length SO/strangers will go to for what they want. It's not impossible that someone watched Haleigh until the opportunity presented itself for her to be taken (for instance if Misti went out that night and left the door open so she could get back in), making it so easy for someone to take Haleigh.

But when all evidence is taken in to consideration, in my opinion, it points to an inside job, ie. Misti and/or Ron. I don't think Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh going missing. jmo

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 01:45 PM

I agree with all that you have said about KP. For me, finding out about her association with Cobra was what really turned me off bigtime. Followed by seeing the huge grin on her face on JVM when she "just got off the phone with Greg!" It just seemed unprofessional and juvenile. I don't think she has helped this case one bit and I don't think she cares about little Haleigh. JMO

My feeling too from a 3boysmom. :biggrin:

Cobra came in bagged up as a neutral party and now we know he is aligned with Kim who is more than willing to polish a turd to get what she wants IMO.

I never thought I would post this, but holy moly, she reminds me of a younger version of Geragos, only I don't remember him trying to micro-manage LE and dragging such a cast of characters in.

What did you think of the unveiling of the family imposter? Oh I can remember how defensive some were here about that family member putting it all out there, and now Art is touting the capture of a family imposter too.

HE is better than this, or at least there was a time he was better than this IMO. :thumbdown:

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 01:47 PM

o/t Just listen to a pc about the Sandra C. in CA. They have a search warrant for a church, have interviewed the pastor. Lot of evidence. No one has been arrested or detained. Awaiting forensic evidence. That is what will happen when/if they find Haleigh. Still will have to all that before anyone can be held accountable. Hopefully that will be soon. JMO

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 01:49 PM

Thanks but I was asking about any documentation of his conversation with KP.

The only thing you are likely to find is when she mentions it in a transcript from ISSUES. Then she lets a few little tidbits out and plays the shy coy woman.....:rolleyes: JMO

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/30/ijvm.01.html

rosieposett

04-07-2009, 01:55 PM

We cannot blame KP..Crystal..Ron..Misty..TN..GGM...a/c man..for NOT having this baby found..Heck..think about this..LE was going no where BEFORE KP came to town..One should NOT point the fingers at anyone in this case for LE being unable to gather info..gather evidence..find Haleigh..LE has stated that Misty's statements/stories have not matched up..I don't even place blame on Misty at this point. It is very possible she has told them what she knows/remembers...It is very possible LE *knows* how this kidnapping went down..sitting back and watching..waiting.

KP's involvement has put Ron/Misty/Crystal under the microscope. I do not object to that. jmo

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 01:56 PM

IIRC, the poster with the KP e-mail was asking the questions, not giving out info.

Also, ALLEGEDLY the responding party told the poster to call and she would answer questions IIRC. So trust me, there is a reason KP isn't going to put her fairytale in an email that can be traced back to her undoubtedly IMO.

This way, she can deny anything she so chooses IMO. :sneaky:

NEVER put anything on paper or in an email you aren't prepared to deal with head on from my POV.

This is all predicated on the poster story not being another imposter of course. JMO

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 02:03 PM

Ron still has custody of JR., that hasn't changed and I don't think it will."It finally looks like she has somebody willing to back her up." Is that more important then finding her daughter or LE being able to question family member's without their attorney present. I personally don't think so.

Bam Bam, if putting Junior on Geraldo was important because she wanted people to see her as a better person/mother....:w00t:well then yes it's a big thing for her to have someone to back her if you ask me.

I think the most detrimental thing Crystal has done is putting Junior in front of the camera and aligning herself with the Rivera Brothers sans signing on with Kim. JMO tho.

"I believe that she wanted to show everyone that she was a good mother and that she had an involved relationship with the child contrary to a lot of the statements that`s been made." ~ Kim Picazio

rosieposett

04-07-2009, 02:03 PM

Texas48

04-07-2009, 02:03 PM

bookie post #102

celtic post #103

Best posts to date, IMO, to what is going on with Haleigh.

At this point, I think I would be in or at LE, bothering them so much that they would know I am not taking their excuses any longer. If they can't or won't put their minds together to find a missing child, get someone in that can.
Ohhhhhh...Bully..what about mine? only kidding w/you..don/t fall off your chair but I agree with bottom portion of your post..There would be a war infront of PD HQ. :thumbsup:to you bully.

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 02:07 PM

The only thing you are likely to find is when she mentions it in a transcript from ISSUES. Then she lets a few little tidbits out and plays the shy coy woman.....:rolleyes: JMO

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/30/ijvm.01.html

Exactly, we don't know what was said. He (Greg) might have told KP something entirely different or she might have interpreted it differently.

Texas48

04-07-2009, 02:10 PM

I agree with you rosie.

No forced entry
Inconsistent stories
Weird behavior on the 911 call imo.

All points to an inside job, imo.All three(3) good..imo

rosieposett

04-07-2009, 02:14 PM

Well the lens on that microscope is locked now. KP locked it. IMO

I think KP's involvement has made it safer for Jr. to live around Ron and Misti because of her putting them under the microscope and bringing in CPS. Ron knows he is being looked at seriously by CPS and cannot be hitting Jr. with sticks, if that is indeed what happened. I don't know how the child custody will be solved and I don't know who would be the better parent for Jr. to live with. I am leaning toward Crystal but not certain. I don't like Misti being around Jr. but apparently KP and LE have no objection to that arrangement. Smarter heads than mine will decide the custody of Jr. jmo

rosieposett

04-07-2009, 02:18 PM

Nothing points to Ron. The police have said they are comfortable that he knows nothing about what happened to Haleigh (paraphrased).

Maybe they are giving him enough rope to hang himself. Then again, is LE actually savvy enough to think that way?? Time will tell.

rosieposett

04-07-2009, 02:20 PM

Buttt KP is there to help Crystal with allegations of child abuse, not to find Haleigh. Isn't that what she claimed when she arrived on the scene?? MOO because I am not going to look for links today..

I don't ask for links. If I need one I go looking for it myself. But thanks.

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 02:20 PM

Exactly, we don't know what was said. He (Greg) might have told KP something entirely different or she might have interpreted it differently.

IMOO this exchange right here tells me more than I want to know about Kim given she is an officer of the court. It's pretty clear what she wants the general public to PRESUME from her coy act....

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what did he say? Did he say he was with Misty that night? Did he say that he`s having any kind of a relationship, as some claim, insinuate, with Misty?

PICAZIO: He did intimate a lot of details. I asked him as many questions as I could. We`re going to have to -- I`d like to go and check some of his allegations.

It`s my understanding he was with Misty the weekend prior to the disappearance of Haleigh. And with regard to anything with regard to that night that Haleigh went missing, I need to double check his facts. I`d hate to report something...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Of course. We don`t want you to report anything that -- you`re just off the phone. I mean, let`s put this into context for our viewers. Hold on one second, Kim. I`ll get back to you momentarily.

PICAZIO: Thank you.

What a winner IMO. We all know she doesn't have a bonded relationship with the truth given her misstatements. JMOOC:thumbdown:

Texas48

04-07-2009, 02:22 PM

Thanks, I have not heard anything about Cobra since, him and TN were in the woods. I still can't figure that one out.
See you were able to make it today apple...I have not heard anything from Cobra either..and as for him and TN in the woods..not going to even comment..good to see u here today..

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 02:25 PM

Or she chose to deliberately spin it to cause more problems for the father of the missing child because she wants her client to look better than she currently does.

Rehabbing her client after a master failure with the website launch where they were seeking donations to get clothes for Chloe and Junior (who she doesn't even have custody of at this time.)

Rehabbing her client after the myspace makeover for the family and the flipping of photos and privacy alternatives to avoid the media and others finding out just how happy Crystal was with her current situation, parties and all.

JMOOC. :sad:

But WHO IS LOOKING FOR HALEIGH BESIDES TERESA NEVES? :confused:

Texas48

04-07-2009, 02:25 PM

Nothing points to Ron. The police have said they are comfortable that he knows nothing about what happened to Haleigh (paraphrased).but can't you admit that may be what le wants Ron to think....LE can say anything they want to..

rosieposett

04-07-2009, 02:28 PM

IMO, if Misty had NOT been home the night Haleigh went missing, the public would know with all the information KP claims to have. I am sure it would have been turned over to CPS and then to JVM,NG and GVS...MOO
I think we can hang that theory up.....

Yep. Hang it up. jmo

cuppajoe

04-07-2009, 02:30 PM

IMOO this exchange right here tells me more than I want to know about Kim given she is an officer of the court. It's pretty clear what she wants the general public to PRESUME from her coy act....

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what did he say? Did he say he was with Misty that night? Did he say that he`s having any kind of a relationship, as some claim, insinuate, with Misty?

PICAZIO: He did intimate a lot of details. I asked him as many questions as I could. We`re going to have to -- I`d like to go and check some of his allegations.

It`s my understanding he was with Misty the weekend prior to the disappearance of Haleigh. And with regard to anything with regard to that night that Haleigh went missing, I need to double check his facts. I`d hate to report something...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Of course. We don`t want you to report anything that -- you`re just off the phone. I mean, let`s put this into context for our viewers. Hold on one second, Kim. I`ll get back to you momentarily.

PICAZIO: Thank you.

What a winner IMO. We all know she doesn't have a bonded relationship with the truth given her misstatements. JMOOC:thumbdown:

Please put the link to these statements I would like to read the entire interview.

nanieliz

04-07-2009, 02:32 PM

Bullyjo, I can tell you Ron is in Constant contact with the lead investigator daily and some day even more. MOO NO LINK....

bambam,HOW do U KNOW that? Oh,I see,no link,moo! Would it make a better statement to say"Ya Know I BET Ron is in contact every day"
When U say"I CAN TELL YOU,you make it sound like u have Inside info?

I'm not bashing you but you always run Crystal down,pump up Ron and state things like you have inside info. So if you are there in the Ron circle...tell us!

Liz

rosieposett

04-07-2009, 02:34 PM

One thing I heard Ron say that has me concerned was in that interview where he says "I would give my life to have my child's life back" Did anyone else catch that

Yes, grma, I caught it. My thoughts on it were that Ron knows she is dead. jmo

Texas48

04-07-2009, 02:36 PM

One thing I heard Ron say that has me concerned was in that interview where he says "I would give my life to have my child's life back" Did anyone else catch that
Many caught his statement grma..

Owlface

04-07-2009, 02:40 PM

Do you think that after 2 months he has reason to think that? Posters on this board have been saying it since the 2nd week.

Except that he made the statement in question HOURS after he found out Haleigh was "missing."

Texas48

04-07-2009, 02:42 PM

because one child is missing do you gamble with the other one and for how long?
I don't know HOW long many expected her to wait? Untill Haleigh is found? Haleigh *may* never be found and many many know that posibility..IF Crystal believes Jr. should not be with Ron and Misty at this point the she has every right to go back to court..In that how is Crystal going to take LE away from searching for Haleigh?

nanieliz

04-07-2009, 02:44 PM

Shame isn't it?? My opinion of Crystal is she is and always was a very selfish person who blames anything negative on someone else. She is never at fault for any of her choices or actions..
If she hasn't paid her back child support she is still a dead beat mom in my eyes and the eyes of the laws of the State of Florida. KP can't change that...

Maybe she has paid the back child support,we don't KNOW?

I think she has claimed her problems!

Life changes people,time changes people,and having your child missing....changes life for all involved.

IF Haleigh gets to come home alive I'm hopeful they will all change.

Liz

nanieliz

04-07-2009, 02:52 PM

Have to leave for a bit...life calls but I will be back. Caylee is gone,Sandra is gone and the only hope left is for Haleigh. I know we're all losing hope and you know her family on both sides are crushed. No news! I'm praying for all these folks. If there's a guilty party in that family I'm hopeful LE will discover them.

I just think a SO.JMO

Liz

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 03:02 PM

Yes, grma, I caught it. My thoughts on it were that Ron knows she is dead. jmo

While I won't offer up the tenth grade education excuse, I will say none of these players are proficient in public speaking from what I've seen.

It really could simply be that he didn't know how to put the words to the depth of pain and what he would sacrifice to have Haleigh back IMOO. :unsure:

Owlface

04-07-2009, 03:06 PM

Polly Klaas.

Jessica Lunsford.

Danielle VanDam.

Can you see a reason anyone would think their missing child is dead? I do. We've seen it time after time after time.

What is your point Bookie? First you say that 2 months after Haleigh went "missing" many are speaking of her in past tense so why shouldn't Ron. Then I say yeah but he was talking of her in past tense hours after she went "missing". Then you talk about children who people presumed dead were found alive. I don't know what your point is.

I agree that him talking about her in the past tense so quickly is freaky.

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 03:09 PM

My bold.....you lost me there....LOL.

I think COBRA made his own bed by trying to come in as an impartial party and that's why the communication broke down. As soon as the news hit the street that he was aligned with Kim all bets were off IMO.

I've always thought he put bad info on the vigil and re-enactment of an abduction by his own words in the TJ HART interview. At that time I was leaning toward Ron being just slippery enough to slide one over on Cobra if he suspected he was out for Kim given the things she has stated about Ron Cummings IMOO. :thumbdown:

Owlface

04-07-2009, 03:11 PM

I'm saying that given the fact that children are kidnapped and murdered it isn't unusual for a parent to talk in past tense.

Jessica Lunsford, Polly Klaas and Danielle VanDam were not found alive. They were all kidnapped from their homes and murdered. They are examples of why a parent could feel their child was dead.

I apologize for not looking closer at the names you provided; my mistake. I agree with your assessment in general, but I still say within hours it is freaky.

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 03:13 PM

As I said I think people read too much into comments like that. I watched an episode of The First 48 a few weeks ago. On the ride home with the detectives who had just solved his wife's murder a man kept talking about her in present tense. He knew she was dead but he talked like she was sitting beside him. Brent and Sharon Rocha were talking about Laci in past tense so early on that a woman called the tipline about Brent.

Yup, I hope we never get to the point where an etiquette book for parents of missing children becomes necessary, as it seems to go from one end of the spectrum to the other with reference to behavior and speaking about their loved ones.

They are in a club nobody wants to belong to and seem to accept each others flaws as time goes on and they reach back whether they had a good outcome or faced the worst in life. :crying:JMO

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME!

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 03:15 PM

Even TN has said they did not know - he was that kind of person. So, TN must believe it.

Then Ron turns around and things that Ring will keep Misty away from anyone? Ron is old enough to know better then that.

When and where did TN say the above if you will?:confused:

Owlface

04-07-2009, 03:17 PM

And maybe because he was just not thinking clearly. She was not home where he could touch her.. I also think people put to much into how people communicate their thoughts and feelings.

Give me a break - all we have to go on is how a person communicates their thoughts and feelings since we can't read minds.

It's not just that one statement Ron made, it's taking the totality of everything he's said including the initial 911 call that sets my hinky meter going.

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 03:25 PM

I'm saying that given the fact that children are kidnapped and murdered it isn't unusual for a parent to talk in past tense.
Jessica Lunsford, Polly Klaas and Danielle VanDam were not found alive. They were all kidnapped from their homes and murdered. They are examples of why a parent could feel their child was dead.

Bolding mine

Then that's about the only thing about this case that isn't unusual.

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 03:34 PM

as far as the tenth grade education excuse...My fifth grader speaks as articulately or more articulately than those people, and in two languages.

That has nothing to do with them being able to represent the truth though. They can't ever use that to lie and to say that they were "misunderstood". English is just not that difficult.

Squidward

04-07-2009, 04:35 PM

I still don't think that Crystal's Attorney or Ron's Attorney should not stop either one from speaking to LE, I also do not think the attorney's are trying to stop them.

I really think if either one stopped, it would be because they wanted to, not because either attorney asked them to.

I agree apple, I don't think the attorneys are trying to stop them either. Misty doesn't even have one and she walked out on LE, if they stopped talking to LE I believe it is their choice, nothing to do with the attorneys.

CC I See

04-07-2009, 05:19 PM

Glad I could give you all something to talk about. :tonguewag:

Jo, I reread my post. Don't know why your confused. Sounded ok to me.

I'm sure that LE is most interested in keeping in close contact with Ron Cummings also. :smile:

Nicola

04-07-2009, 05:19 PM

I do think it is one of them, and here is something else I have thought about. It may have been posted in the past and if it has been I am sorry.

I have wonderded if Haleigh did not accidently get drugs in her system and they both know what happened.

Something is not right with the wedding in my opinion.

Hi Apple, I agree with you about the wedding. I mean, honestly, can you imagine getting married when your daughter is missing. Why couldn't they wait till Haleigh came home and enjoyed the celebrations with them. It does not make sense imo.

2boysMom

04-07-2009, 05:23 PM

My feeling too from a 3boysmom. :biggrin:

Cobra came in bagged up as a neutral party and now we know he is aligned with Kim who is more than willing to polish a turd to get what she wants IMO.

I never thought I would post this, but holy moly, she reminds me of a younger version of Geragos, only I don't remember him trying to micro-manage LE and dragging such a cast of characters in.

What did you think of the unveiling of the family imposter? Oh I can remember how defensive some were here about that family member putting it all out there, and now Art is touting the capture of a family imposter too.

HE is better than this, or at least there was a time he was better than this IMO. :thumbdown:

I'm sorry, I'm in the dark about a "family imposter". Seems I've missed this. In a nutshell can you fill me in on this? Thanks so much!

Squidward

04-07-2009, 05:23 PM

I'm sure that LE is most interested in keeping in close contact with Ron Cummings also. :smile:

IA! I don't doubt they are keeping real close tabs on both Mr. and Mrs. Cummings.

nanieliz

04-07-2009, 05:39 PM

i have stated things I know and if it is my opinion I state it, If I don't feel like looking for links, I say so. Bashing Crystal because i have my opinion on how she has handled things. Does that mean everyone who has something negative to say about Ron is running him down? If I say my ears to the keyboard, well you just have to take it as such...

IF YOU are not LE,Ron,Misty,Crystal....YOUdon't know anything more than the rest of this board. Reading a newspaper article,blog,on-line crap doesn't make you any more informed on this subject.

You say...I have stated things I know! So tell us,tell everyone here HOW YOU KNOW!

So is it JYO like 200 hundred others here or DO YOU KNOW FOR FACT?

Give it up or give it a rest. We're all here cause we care about a missing little girl we don't know. You want to act like your word is the only way it is.

WE ALL HAVE OPIONS!

Liz

Texas48

04-07-2009, 05:39 PM

Why?? The attorney is only involve pro bona to defend Ron against false and unproven child abuse. Until KP brought up those allegation Ron did NOT need or want an attorney. Misty does not need an attorney she has NOT been accused of anything that I know of legally.MOORon did NOT have to take the offer from the attorneys...he could have just said NO...but..IF Ron does happend to need an attorney..he has 2..costing him not one cent..So be it..Kinda like a wealthy person having a Law Firm on retainer. He can just sit back and wait. No harm done. kwim?

Themis

04-07-2009, 05:44 PM

IMO TN and GGM are in denial just like cindy anthony is. I do hope they are building some sort of a case and taking the door had to be used to prove no sign of forced entry. Surely they didn't take it for DNA or finger prints after that long of a time.
TN and GGM in denial? I do not think so.
Neves and Sykes have both made public statements in favor of that quickie wedding. They even gave Ron that heirloom engagement ring for him to give to Misty. GGM held the wedding at her home 33 or 34 days after Haleigh's kidnapping!
Both women have made public statements in support of Misty, how mature she is, how much Ron and Misty love each other -- she is the best girlfriend Ron has ever had.

CC I See

04-07-2009, 05:48 PM

Ron did NOT have to take the offer from the attorneys...he could have just said NO...but..IF Ron does happend to need an attorney..he has 2..costing him not one cent..So be it..Kinda like a wealthy person having a Law Firm on retainer. He can just sit back and wait. No harm done. kwim?

...and if it comes to the point that he needs to pay an attorney because the offer of free help is no longer available, he can take the money out of the nearest donation jar for a retainer.

Texas48

04-07-2009, 05:48 PM

I thought Misty walked out on the last interview with police (that we know about) before their interview in New York, the day after they were married. Ron didn't get an attorney until after he was married, if I remember correctly.

It has bothered me that he would protect himself and not his wife. The attorneys made a statement that they were only hired to protect Ron's interests, not Misty's. Kinda sent chills down my spine, but that's my opinion.Hi Seeker..IIRC Ron did not refuse the attorneys offer..He could have easily said no. Ron could look at it like being wealthy and having a Law Firm on retainer JUST in case..kwim?

Squidward

04-07-2009, 05:51 PM

TN and GGM in denial? I do not think so.
Neves and Sykes have both made public statements in favor of that quickie wedding. They even gave Ron that heirloom engagement ring for him to give to Misty. GGM held the wedding at her home 33 or 34 days after Haleigh's kidnapping!
Both women have made public statements in support of Misty, how mature she is, how much Ron and Misty love each other -- she is the best girlfriend Ron has ever had.

IA! I can't understand why they are so supportive of Misty either. They loved the idea of a wedding GGM even said "They got married because they love one another. It's time for something happy to happen." ....what?!?!

I also question GGM claim that she brought clothes over that night as Misty in the Greta interview did not mention her at all when asked who had been at the home.

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 05:52 PM

I do think it is one of them, and here is something else I have thought about. It may have been posted in the past and if it has been I am sorry.

I have wonderded if Haleigh did not accidently get drugs in her system and they both know what happened.

Something is not right with the wedding in my opinion.

I think you might be close. I've seen a similar theory that MC had brought in some sort of pills and Haleigh might have thought it was Valentine's candy.

I have never illegal drugs & wouldn't know one from the other so wouldn't know if this were reasonable or not.

CC I See

04-07-2009, 05:56 PM

4Kids

04-07-2009, 05:57 PM

Hey y'all. It's been a few days. However, I have tried to keep up, which wasn't difficult, since there continues to be nothing coming from LE. However, it seems locks, the wedding, abuse allegations etc. are being rehashed here...so therefore, I guess I am pretty currnet. A few questions have come up for me...

1. Has LE verified that there was no tampering with the door? "No forced entry" has been verified? Why was the other door taken 30 days after the child went missing.

2. LE believes Misty holds the key. When are they going to call her in for another interview? Have they?

3. Where is the missing SO? Anything new on that?

4. Where are all of the people who were going to verify Ron's abuse to Jr. and Haleigh? Now is a very perfect time to step up, however, I simply hear the playground incident...AGAIN. I am guessing that there is no one...including school staff, neighbors etc. that have done that. We are left with the very old allegations which where used in the custody hearing, sworn to only by Crystal's family;

These are my questions...if anyone has any updates on the matters, I would love to hear them. MOO

PS. I still believe Ron married Misty to say Up Yours to the public. He does not handle judgement or public scrutiny any better than I would. Crystal's method is much better. Fess up and say it is what it is. I wish I could blatanly admit my faults like that. She is a better woman that way, than I. MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 05:58 PM

...I'm sure at age five she knew better and had been warned off popping any of the pills she saw Misty and Ron take.

Ron and Misty were popping pills?

MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 06:00 PM

I think your right about the door, I had not thought about that.

I would not be so sure that they didn't try to get DNA from the door. Forced entry would have been verified the night of Haleigh's disappearance. Further, LE had the MH in their posession for several weeks. Keep in mind...many of the DNA test were redone in this case due to problems. What, I have no idea. MOO

CC I See

04-07-2009, 06:02 PM

Ron and Misty were popping pills?
MOO

....I'm sure both at some point has taken some kind of pill for some reason. Maybe to cure a headache or upset stomach. I don't know of anyone who has not had the need for medication in their life.

Squidward

04-07-2009, 06:03 PM

I think your right about the door, I had not thought about that.

Did they take the main door or the screen door or both?

Texas48

04-07-2009, 06:03 PM

I agree apple, I don't think the attorneys are trying to stop them either. Misty doesn't even have one and she walked out on LE, if they stopped talking to LE I believe it is their choice, nothing to do with the attorneys.Does anyone even know if LE has TRIED to speak with any of the three?

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 06:05 PM

On the subject of the wedding, I found it chilling that Misty said "It's what Haleigh would of wanted" I hope I got that right, if not wouldn't be the 1st or last time I messed up.:confused: I still think RC talking about he'd give anything to have his daughters life back. IMO Means more that just wanting her back, like knowing she's gone.againIMO

CC I See

04-07-2009, 06:05 PM

I would think that would have been a very important detail and not so easy to forget. So, why didn't Misty mention her in the very beginning? I totally agree with your post!

....it's called selective memory to details of something they are trying to hide.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 06:06 PM

....I'm sure both at some point has taken some kind of pill for some reason. Maybe to cure a headache or upset stomach. I don't know of anyone who has not had the need for medication in their life.

Sorry CC...I thought I had missed something. I would think if there were prescription drugs in the home, LE would know simply by SW for medical records. Also, I agree, kids usually know by that age not to take things they find on the ground, laying around, etc. even if they may look like candy.

Different topic; There were many rumors milling about in the first month of this case referencing many people KNEW that Misty was not home that night. There were also people posting on other boards saying they knew for a fact. I guess I can assume that none of this has panned out either? MOO

MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 06:08 PM

Does anyone even know if LE has TRIED to speak with any of the three?

I have not heard that LE was reaching out anywhere. Almost as if they are waiting for the case to break open by itself. I am telling ya Tex...I think LE was wrong early on and are now left with starting over. My gut feeling. MOO

Texas48

04-07-2009, 06:09 PM

I respectfully disagree, apple. An attorney is being paid (or not, may be Pro Bono) for advice. His/her client's job is to take that advice. Applies to all parties in this mess. I'm not sure, but I expect Ron's lawyer is advising Misty.
I think you are right lizzie in that Misty would use Ron's attorneys if it came to her needing one/or seeks advise. Other than that I just cannot be convinced the attorneys would stop either Crystal or Ron from speaking to LE..My gosh..their child is missing so I am 100% convinced that Ron and Crystal would go running to LE if they knew they could help get their daughter back..and danged a few attorneys..

CC I See

04-07-2009, 06:10 PM

Sorry CC...I thought I had missed something. I would think if there were prescirption drugs in the home, LE would know simply by SW for medical records. Also, I agree, kids usually know by that age not to take things they find on the ground, laying around, etc. even if they may look like candy.

Different topicThere were many rumors milling about in the first month of this case referencing many people KNEW that Misty was not home that night. There were also people posting on other boards saying they knew for a fact. I guess I can assume that none of this has panned out either? MOO

MOO

It's still being hotly debated at the current time. Witnesses might not want to talk to LE because they don't want to discuss the circumstances of the alleged Misty sighting.

Squidward

04-07-2009, 06:12 PM

Does anyone even know if LE has TRIED to speak with any of the three?

If they have it has not been reported that I have seen. I can't understand why they haven't. Maybe they want Misty to come to them and explain her inconsistencies, I guess Misty is still trying to get the script right.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 06:14 PM

It's still being hotly debated at the current time. Witnesses might not want to talk to LE because they don't want to discuss the circumstances of the alleged Misty sighting.

I think most folks know that when this type of case is involved LE will look the other way as far as "circumstances". I am left believing they were messages from people who disliked Misty, did not know Misty but knew other family members, did not know Misty yet wanted to feel important or .,...well....simply "liars". They could have gone to Cobra. The contention was that "questionable" people will talk with PI's quicker than LE. So...again....I think it was gossip at this point. What do you think CC? MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 06:17 PM

If I am correct, just the screen door/storm door - I don't know which you would call it, but I do not think they took the main door, not that I am aware of anyway.

I beleive it was the screen door as well. I thought it odd that after having this in their posession for many weeks, LE came and took the door. WTH? MOO

Squidward

04-07-2009, 06:18 PM

If I am correct, just the screen door/storm door - I don't know which you would call it, but I do not think they took the main door, not that I am aware of anyway.

Thanks! I remember reading about the door being taken and thought it was the screen door but was not sure. I don't know what they would gain from just the screen door, unless maybe it was locked too.

Texas48

04-07-2009, 06:20 PM

CC I See

04-07-2009, 06:22 PM

I think most folks know that when this type of case is involved LE will look the other way as far as "circumstances". I am left believing they were messages from people who disliked Misty, did not know Misty but knew other family members, did not know Misty yet wanted to feel important or .,...well....simply "liars". They could have gone to Cobra. The contention was that "questionable" people will talk with PI's quicker than LE. So...again....I think it was gossip at this point. What do you think CC? MOO

I think at some point the night that Haleigh disappeared, Misty left the mobile home.

CC I See

04-07-2009, 06:24 PM

But you forgot the most important reason they were married...Its what Haleigh wanted..Yea.. OK ..when pigs fly..

... in fact it might have been her last wish before she disappeared with her thinking that Ron and Misty deserved each other and should be together.

Themis

04-07-2009, 06:26 PM

IA! I can't understand why they are so supportive of Misty either. They loved the idea of a wedding GGM even said "They got married because they love one another. It's time for something happy to happen." ....what?!?!
I also question GGM claim that she brought clothes over that night as Misty in the Greta interview did not mention her at all when asked who had been at the home.
I bolded your sentence that struck such a chord with me. No kidding!

Sykes is also quoted as saying: "After weeks and weeks of Haleigh being gone, plus all of the trashing that Ronald took, it’s just time for something good, just time for something good,” said Sykes."

Wow ... a whole 4 weeks. These people must have very short attention spans.

I will always remember that day. While wedding guests were travelling on HWY 17 to GGM's home in Waleka some of them passed right by about 65 Law Enforcement personnel walking along that road looking for either an evidenciary clue or Haleigh's body.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 06:31 PM

I bolded your sentence that struck such a chord with me. No kidding!

Sykes is also quoted as saying: "After weeks and weeks of Haleigh being gone, plus all of the trashing that Ronald took, it’s just time for something good, just time for something good,” said Sykes."

Wow ... a whole 4 weeks. These people must have very short attention spans.

I will always remember that day. While wedding guests were travelling on HWY 17 to GGM's home in Waleka some of them passed right by about 65 Law Enforcement personnel walking along that road looking for either an evidenciary clue or Haleigh's body.

You know what Themis...this is the one and only thing that Ron has done since his daughter went missing that sits very wrong with me. Not that he wasn't searching, because LE had already requested that the family NOT search (?), but that he did this. Again...I think it was an Up Yours to the public. I think Ron is very immature. I think Misty and he are probably on the same playing field. MOO

Nicola

04-07-2009, 06:31 PM

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 06:31 PM

But you forgot the most important reason they were married...Its what Haleigh wanted..Yea.. OK ..when pigs fly..

EXACTLY!! The Grandma's IMO have to play the part, of being happy for this blissful union of :cursing:being married

FrankieBones1

04-07-2009, 06:33 PM

Bullyjo, I can tell you Ron is in Constant contact with the lead investigator daily and some day even more. MOO NO LINK....

This is very interesting if true. How do you know for a fact that Ronald Cummings is in constant contact with the lead investigator daily? That sounds like a fact and not an opinion.

Where did you get this piece of information?

4Kids

04-07-2009, 06:35 PM

I think at some point the night that Haleigh disappeared, Misty left the mobile home.

Me too, CC. However, I think it involved that shed and Cousin Joe. I am convinced Haleigh went missing while they were out in the shed. Whether by an SO or wandering off along, I am not sure. My wacky theory. MOO

Texas48

04-07-2009, 06:35 PM

I would think that would have been a very important detail and not so easy to forget. So, why didn't Misty mention her in the very beginning? I totally agree with your post!Misty NOT saying that GGM was there at 7pm has really bothered me. GGM not coming forward right away has bothered me..For the time being I will accept her being there as she said cause..Grandmas do not lie..so GGM can't lie either. Not heard of. No way Jose.

2boysMom

04-07-2009, 06:37 PM

I can't get over the fact they got married before Haleigh came home, especially since it's what she wanted, she wanted her dad and Misty to get married. Why couldn't they wait?
And another thing I wonder is why is Ron so adamant that lil Jr was either coached to say he saw a 'man in black' or it's just talk from Crystals 'camp'.
Why does he dismiss it so adamantly? How the heck does he know what Jr saw? He wasn't there, he was at work :tongueside:
MOO

I would think one of the first things Ron and Misty did after discovering Haleigh was missing would be to question RJ, yet I don't recall hearing anything about the very first thing RJ said after the incident. We don't even know the results of LE questioning RJ, do we? Maybe Ron is adamant because it doesn't jive with what RJ told him.

iluvmua

04-07-2009, 06:41 PM

This whole family is screwed up; I really wish Crystal would have put Haleigh and little Jr up for adoption.

sleuth

04-07-2009, 06:43 PM

I can understand the medias reasoning....although I dont think it is right for the missing children.

I understand the posters that are following multiple cases.

But what I do NOT understand is why LE is letting this case go.....There are answers right there in the micddle of THAT FAMILY.....It is time for LE to stop making excuses as to why the case has become derailed and get it back on track.

I have been very disillusioned by the way LE has handled this case. On top of having a new sheriff, I think they have to examine each piece of new evidence to make sure it doesn’t step on toes or conflict with something in internal affairs. IMO I am looking in at the authentic records straight from their own files ( compliments of Florida’s Sunshine law), not newspapers- tabloids or blogs. I’ve learned a lot of valid information.
Put in last name and % then click search.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

4Kids

04-07-2009, 06:43 PM

I would think one of the first things Ron and Misty did after discovering Haleigh was missing would be to question RJ, yet I don't recall hearing anything about the very first thing RJ said after the incident. We don't even know the results of LE questioning RJ, do we? Maybe Ron is adamant because it doesn't jive with what RJ told him.

Or perhaps it does not jive with what JR. told LE....MOO

Texas48

04-07-2009, 06:45 PM

I have not heard that LE was reaching out anywhere. Almost as if they are waiting for the case to break open by itself. I am telling ya Tex...I think LE was wrong early on and are now left with starting over. My gut feeling. MOOGut feeling are sometimes the correct feeling. I have never said anything that was *not* in favor of LE..untill now. Still won't bash them real bad but as far as I am concerned they can shake and point their fingers all they want at attorneys for them(LE) loosing focus off original case..Haleigh...their fingers will fall off before I will buy into that excuse.

Squidward

04-07-2009, 06:47 PM

I bolded your sentence that struck such a chord with me. No kidding!

Sykes is also quoted as saying: "After weeks and weeks of Haleigh being gone, plus all of the trashing that Ronald took, it’s just time for something good, just time for something good,” said Sykes."

Wow ... a whole 4 weeks. These people must have very short attention spans.

I will always remember that day. While wedding guests were travelling on HWY 17 to GGM's home in Waleka some of them passed right by about 65 Law Enforcement personnel walking along that road looking for either an evidenciary clue or Haleigh's body.

Bold by me

That part gave me chills reading it, I just can't understand the reasoning. The wedding hadn't been planned for months, I just can't imagine having a happy event like a wedding while strangers are searching for your loved ones body. What if they had found her?

Maybe they knew LE had no chance of finding her where they were looking.

Themis

04-07-2009, 06:47 PM

You know what Themis...this is the one and only thing that Ron has done since his daughter went missing that sits very wrong with me. Not that he wasn't searching, because LE had already requested that the family NOT search (?), but that he did this. Again...I think it was an Up Yours to the public. I think Ron is very immature. I think Misty and he are probably on the same playing field. MOO
I agree with your assessment of Ronald Cummings being very immature. He has all the hallmarks and traits of a male who has been coddled all his life. I do not know what role his own father played in his upbringing nor do I know when his parents were divorced. We have seen very little of his father and he has said very little. Ron's step-father? Have not seen hide nor hair of him. So, it appears to me that Ron has been spoiled by the women in his life..Mother Teresa Neves and Grandmother Annette Sykes.

As for this completely inappropriate and untimely quickie wedding being an 'Up Yours' gesture to the rest of the world, you may very well be right there, too. But then, where were the voices of reason ... Neves and Sykes -- to tell him NO, this is not the time, we do not approve, we do not condone, we will not support or endorse it. Instead we have Sykes saying: "“She was a beautiful bride.” Without their blessing, support and active participation that wedding, IMO, would not have taken place.

Nicola

04-07-2009, 06:52 PM

I would think one of the first things Ron and Misty did after discovering Haleigh was missing would be to question RJ, yet I don't recall hearing anything about the very first thing RJ said after the incident. We don't even know the results of LE questioning RJ, do we? Maybe Ron is adamant because it doesn't jive with what RJ told him.

Yes I know what you mean, but if little jr did say he saw a man in black and the couch 'jumping' I would tend to believe him, outta the mouths of babes' and all that, somebody was there that night with misty, imo.

Texas48

04-07-2009, 06:53 PM

You are not the only one, I don't understand " family imposter " either.well..thats going to make 3 of us cause i'm :confused:about the imposter.

Texas48

04-07-2009, 06:54 PM

...and if it comes to the point that he needs to pay an attorney because the offer of free help is no longer available, he can take the money out of the nearest donation jar for a retainer.Heck..he is covered all the way around.:ohmy:

Texas48

04-07-2009, 07:04 PM

You know, I think that is what upset me more then anything. I could not believe they blamed little Haleigh for that wedding. IMO, that is what they were doing, when they would say that.
I really believe they all thought the public would think..what a nice jester they are doing..getting married because it is what a missing little girl would have wanted so they did just that..And how romantic..a proposal on bended knee..a sunset wedding in garden area of back yard...a family heirloom wedding ring given to the bride and topped of with an inside reception and as an end to the wedding that Haleigh so much wanted a wedding trip to NY to talk about the little girl that was missing/kidnapped. Yep..a day to remember.

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 07:07 PM

I have been very disillusioned by the way LE has handled this case. On top of having a new sheriff, I think they have to examine each piece of new evidence to make sure it doesn’t step on toes or conflict with something in internal affairs. IMO I am looking in at the authentic records straight from their own files ( compliments of Florida’s Sunshine law), not newspapers- tabloids or blogs. I’ve learned a lot of valid information.
Put in last name and % then click search.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

thank You....Maybe at least the peripheral data on all fo these subjects can be verified from this....

I believe that LE needs to start over....the problem with THAT being that the crimescenes are all cold and contaminated.....people who were in the area that may have needed to be stopped and searched, etc are no longer there...much less KNOWN who they might be.......Too much outside information....too many outside characters....

the case is essentially cold IMO.

FrankieBones1

04-07-2009, 07:08 PM

I'm sorry, I'm in the dark about a "family imposter". Seems I've missed this. In a nutshell can you fill me in on this? Thanks so much!

Can you fill me in on the 'family imposter', too?

Texas48

04-07-2009, 07:14 PM

Can you fill me in on the 'family imposter', too?
We will all know as soon as Candykisses gives up the information.:biggrin:

Themis

04-07-2009, 07:23 PM

I really believe they all thought the public would think..what a nice jester they are doing..getting married because it is what a missing little girl would have wanted so they did just that..And how romantic..a proposal on bended knee..a sunset wedding in garden area of back yard...a family heirloom wedding ring given to the bride and topped of with an inside reception and as an end to the wedding that Haleigh so much wanted a wedding trip to NY to talk about the little girl that was missing/kidnapped. Yep..a day to remember.
And then there is the other side of the coin, Texas. What if, say, Ron and/or the senior Cummings were under the impression, as many of us here were at the time, that spousal priviledge would come with that unseemly and rushed wedding.

Remember, many many posters said just that. Thanks to some sleuthing by other posters it was pointed out that there NO spousal priviledge exists IF child abuse is involved no matter the time frame. Also, spousal priviledge only starts after the wedding.

So, I just want to throw that thought out there. Maybe they all were operating under that belief at the time. The reason I specifically included the senior Cummings is that it would explain Ron's less than joyful appearance during the vows and at the reception. He did not look glad or happy. [In fact, he doesn't seem like the marrying kind of guy. He did not even bother to marry Crystal with whom he had a 5 year relationship and with whom he had 2 children.] Perhaps he was a less than willing participant. Perhaps he wed under the advice (wrong, we know now) that it was the 'wise thing to do,' under the current cloud of suspicion.

JMO, Themis

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 07:24 PM

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 07:30 PM

What kind of proof do they need to remove a child considered to be in imminent danger? I am not trying to be rude or have an argument. I know every state, maybe even every county, has it's own regulations. I believe that child protective services have the ability to remove a child and then file paperwork for a hearing. In no way do I know if this is a good idea, your post just got me to wondering. In this case, and using your terminology, there could be cause even though proof is more elusive.

Just my opinion, thoughts, and questions.

There is probably criteria, but unless there's something obvious, it's a judgment call. It also depends upon how convincing the parent is.

Squidward

04-07-2009, 07:31 PM

And then there is the other side of the coin, Texas. What if, say, Ron and/or the senior Cummings were under the impression, as many of us here were at the time, that spousal priviledge would come with that unseemly and rushed wedding.

Remember, many many posters said just that. Thanks to some sleuthing by other posters it was pointed out that there NO spousal priviledge exists IF child abuse is involved no matter the time frame. Also, spousal priviledge only starts after the wedding.

So, I just want to throw that thought out there. Maybe they all were operating under that belief at the time. The reason I specifically included the senior Cummings is that it would explain Ron's less than joyful appearance during the vows and at the reception. He did not look glad or happy. [In fact, he doesn't seem like the marrying kind of guy. He did not even bother to marry Crystal with whom he had a 5 year relationship and with whom he had 2 children.] Perhaps he was a less than willing participant. Perhaps he wed under the advice (wrong, we know now) that it was the 'wise thing to do,' under the current cloud of suspicion.

JMO, Themis

Bingo! I think that is exactly why they got married when they did. Ron looked like he was miserable. If that was the plan Ron got some really bad advice.

Themis

04-07-2009, 07:41 PM

Bingo! I think that is exactly why they got married when they did. Ron looked like he was miserable. If that was the plan Ron got some really bad advice.
Yes, Squid, and that bad advice may have come from Ron's own family.:wink:

Themis

04-07-2009, 07:46 PM

I just don't see Ron taking anyone's advice. IMO, he called the shots, both with Misty, Theresa, and the GGma. Like forever.

moo
Then, Meadow, how do you explain Mother Teresa and Grandmother Sykes handing over a family heirloom engagement ring?
Do you think Ron was calling the shots when Sykes held the wedding and reception at her own home?
Was Ron calling the shots when both Neves and Sykes publicly complimented Misty Croslin on several occasions?

JMO . Themis

Politigal

04-07-2009, 07:50 PM

has it ever been reported if Chad Griffis took a polygraph?

kellabeck

04-07-2009, 07:52 PM

Themis

04-07-2009, 07:56 PM

Remember how Misty said that Haleigh wanted them to marry??

I never for an instant believed that. What 5-year-old child would want her daddy to marry his teen live-in rather than get together with her real mommy?

It's just absurd. Especially after a few months. Absurd.
Agreed, Kellabeck. But it was not only Misty that said that. Both Ron's mother and grandmother have publicly made similar statements.

Why is that? [JMO.Themis]

LILMANMAX

04-07-2009, 08:00 PM

2boysMom

04-07-2009, 08:01 PM

has it ever been reported if Chad Griffis took a polygraph?

Great question. Nobody seems to want to discuss Chad. I've posted before that I wish I knew more about him.

Politigal

04-07-2009, 08:03 PM

Great question. Nobody seems to want to discuss Chad. I've posted before that I wish I knew more about him.

I've searched online and only find that he was questioned one Wednesday....but nothing about him being polygraphed.

defender123

04-07-2009, 08:07 PM

I think you might be close. I've seen a similar theory that MC had brought in some sort of pills and Haleigh might have thought it was Valentine's candy.

I have never illegal drugs & wouldn't know one from the other so wouldn't know if this were reasonable or not.

I have thought about the drug angle also..Ruffies or the date rape drug,may kill a small child..Greg admits that is what they had been taking on tape he says it..Women have told me it made them sleep for 2 or 2 and a half days..Out cold..
One more small thing..Why the big deal about the back door..Say there was a perp..Went in the front. Paused to prop the back door open first..Ensuring an easy escape.Not that hard to follow.Boom out the back door from inside and down the road..Had his plan already in place.
Bad part is ,that means the perp had prior knowledge of how the door operated.HMMM?

teresa

04-07-2009, 08:08 PM

That is not what they said. I'll search for it, but it was not that. In my opinion.

That's a pretty good paraphrase of what they said. Here is the video from the Today Show, for one (starts about 2:35 in)

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29674827/

Themis

04-07-2009, 08:10 PM

I must be in the minority here, but I do not believe Misty or Ron did anything to Haleigh, accident or not.

I also do not believe Ron was abusive Haleigh or JR. I certainly remember the many real accidents I suffered when young.

Something about Crystal I do not trust. Have felt this way since day one. There is more to the story behind her not having custody of the children and I'm not buying hers.

I am constantly reminded of the children abducted from their homes. Especially Jessica. Everyone always accuses the family or persons in the home at the time.
If a child predator is watching someone, nothing will stop them. Nothing.
JMHO
Sadly, MilManMax, statistics prove it is more often the case of a family member being responsible over a stranger-abductor. It is the first place LE (Law Enforcement) looks and has to rule out. Isn't it a shame that LE has not been able to rule out family members after this long.

I do agree with your statement that a determined pedophile can rarely be thwarted.

Frankly, with all the current technology available to people these days, I am amazed that more, especially parents, do not invest in motion detecting outside lights and cameras outside each door. It's too bad more would rather spend money on the latest Xbox or whatever. [JMO . Themis]

4Kids

04-07-2009, 08:11 PM

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 08:17 PM

Sadly, MilManMax, statistics prove it is more often the case of a family member being responsible over a stranger-abductor. It is the first place LE (Law Enforcement) looks and has to rule out. Isn't it a shame that LE has not been able to rule out family members after this long.

I do agree with your statement that a determined pedophile can rarely be thwarted.

Frankly, with all the current technology available to people these days, I am amazed that more, especially parents, do not invest in motion detecting outside lights and cameras outside each door. It's too bad more would rather spend money on the latest Xbox or whatever. [JMO . Themis]

There was a camera, I think at Gfather's house, and Sandra C. was captured skipping down the street. Yet, they found her body yesterday. As stated in your next to last paragraph. determined pedophiles can rarely be thwarted.

Also even though there were searches and everything, the body of SC was found by farm workers. Again, just as Caylee, it was just luck that she was found. JMO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 08:24 PM

There was a camera, I think at Gfather's house, and Sandra C. was captured skipping down the street. Yet, they found her body yesterday. As stated in your next to last paragraph. determined pedophiles can rarely be thwarted. JMO

Considering some more notorious SO's have entered homes while other people where sleeping in other rooms (Lunsford), or sleeping in the same room (Smart) to abduct their prey, I find it difficult to believe that once fixated these pedophiles will be stopped by very much. MOO

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 08:25 PM

And then there is the other side of the coin, Texas. What if, say, Ron and/or the senior Cummings were under the impression, as many of us here were at the time, that spousal priviledge would come with that unseemly and rushed wedding.

Remember, many many posters said just that. Thanks to some sleuthing by other posters it was pointed out that there NO spousal priviledge exists IF child abuse is involved no matter the time frame. Also, spousal priviledge only starts after the wedding.

So, I just want to throw that thought out there. Maybe they all were operating under that belief at the time. The reason I specifically included the senior Cummings is that it would explain Ron's less than joyful appearance during the vows and at the reception. He did not look glad or happy. [In fact, he doesn't seem like the marrying kind of guy. He did not even bother to marry Crystal with whom he had a 5 year relationship and with whom he had 2 children.] Perhaps he was a less than willing participant. Perhaps he wed under the advice (wrong, we know now) that it was the 'wise thing to do,' under the current cloud of suspicion.

JMO, Themis

I thought it might have been Misty's mom who was led to believe that would protect her daughter. She was the one who had to sign for them to get married.

As to why the b & g did it, one excuse is as bad as the other. "Keeping your enemy close" works as well as any of them.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 08:25 PM

I only saw the last half of JVM, and so far NG has not mentioned Haleigh. Has there been any news whatsoever in the local/Fl media? JMO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 08:26 PM

Defender, I too have wondered about the front door. Also the window inside the screened porch. But I haven't seen any info on it.

I have not seen any statements from LE regarding ANY evidence. Has anyone else? I am hearing innuendo (inconsistencies), yet their pressers were always lacking in anything palpable. I thought their was a reason. Now I don't. MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 08:34 PM

Taken from the April 1 story:

The goal is still to find Haleigh -- or answers -- after seven weeks of searching.

"Look at the thousands and thousands of hours we've put in on this case, and no trace," Hardy said.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19067280/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tml=orlpn_4pm&ts=T&tmi=orlpn_4pm_1_02550104012009

This is the case in a nutshell. No evidence. No trace. For those convinced that LE is "onto someone", I seriously think this is where the case stands. Did Misty and Ron pull off a "clueless" murder as some on here think, or did an SO pick an opportune (sp?) time and slip in, then slip out undetected? I am betting on the latter. MOO

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 08:37 PM

I never bought into the ring being a family heirloom. If there is such a thing, I would think Theresa would want Haleigh to have it.

Yes, to all the rest of your questions.

IMO, its Ron's way or the highway.

moo

Unless she knows Haleigh isn't going to be able to wear it.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 08:42 PM

You can call it "falsely accusing" and I can call it protecting her children from the abuse she believes to be a reality. My thoughts.

What bothers me about the abuse allegations is that nobody besides Crystal's family are making these accusations. No physicians, whom Haleigh saw often, no teachers, no neighbors, etc. I find that odd. She was not homeschooled, she was not kept inside, she was not kept from society or from her bio-mother.

Second thing that bothers (more than the first) me is that originally, Crystal spoke very highly of Ron's parenting skills. In steps Marie, and the story changed.

Crystal had the opportunity with the Court to substantiate the allegations and by that, could change the decision of the Court. She chose not to.

I don't dislike Crystal, nor am I bashing her. In fact, I admire her for some of her attributes.

I have come to the conclusion that Ron and Crystal have some unfinished romantic business. That is truly gross speculation on my part.

MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 08:46 PM

That would have to be the luckiest SO in the world to have come across the *opportune* of a life time to be able to pull this off without leaving one clue. One night in a hundreds to have it all right there for the taking. Was Misty sleeping one off, or not being there at all. I just don't see that.

If you do think a SO did this, where was Misty at the time, in your opinion? At home, or not?

moo

Couey left no clues, neither did Smart's abducters. LE found them by sheer luck.

I think Crystal may have been "out back" in the shed. Or sleeping. Either way....even if she was dangling from her thongs from the ceiling fan, no person has the right to come into someone's home, yard, car or any other place and take their child. If it was truly an SO (which I beleive), the caretakers are not to blame unless he/she straps the child in the pedo's car. If they don't...there is one person to blame. The SO. MOO

ETA: If it turns out that Ron or Misty did something to this child, I say fry em. I agree with the DP in rare cases. Cases involving children or mentally challenged adults. MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 08:58 PM

Why would Crystal be out back in the shed? :confused:

Crystal was home most likely asleep.

moo

Sorry..I meant Misty. You did know that, right? Or was my post that confusing. Sometimes I read back what I wrote...and I don't understand myself. I am not eloquent...sorry. MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 09:01 PM

Why would Crystal be out back in the shed? :confused:

Crystal was home most likely asleep.

Smart's abductor left evidence of a torn screen. So we knew immediatley someone had broken in.

Jessica's case was unique, hard to compare it with another. Just as I feel Haleigh's is unique.

moo

moo

Evidence of a torn screen turned into many believing it was an inside job and someone wanted to "make" it look like a break-in.

Do we have any formal substantiation from LE saying their was no forced entry in this case? MOO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 09:01 PM

Why would Crystal be out back in the shed? :confused:

Crystal was home most likely asleep.

Smart's abductor left evidence of a torn screen. So we knew immediatley someone had broken in.

Jessica's case was unique, hard to compare it with another. Just as I feel Haleigh's is unique.

moo

moo

That's the problem LE has. Most of the child abductions are unique. It would really be nice if there was a check list to go down and at the end it would lead them to the guilty party. But alas, that is not the case.

JMO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 09:05 PM

That's the problem LE has. Most of the child abductions are unique. It would really be nice if there was a check list to go down and at the end it would lead them to the guilty party. But alas, that is not the case.

JMO

My point was supposed to be (although I did not explain it well) that SO's have actually had the brass ones to walk in to an occupied residence and take children. Walk into a yard and take a child. Just walk up and take a child. It takes nerve. It takes lack of conscience. That was my point. Again...I have not the way with words that many others have. MOO

CC I See

04-07-2009, 09:06 PM

Couey left no clues, neither did Smart's abducters. LE found them by sheer luck.

I think Crystal may have been "out back" in the shed. Or sleeping. Either way....even if she was dangling from her thongs from the ceiling fan, no person has the right to come into someone's home, yard, car or any other place and take their child. If it was truly an SO (which I beleive), the caretakers are not to blame unless he/she straps the child in the pedo's car. If they don't...there is one person to blame. The SO. MOO

ETA: If it turns out that Ron or Misty did something to this child, I say fry em. I agree with the DP in rare cases. Cases involving children or mentally challenged adults. MOO

Crystal was not at the home that night, she was not in the shed and she was not dangling from the ceiling fan in her thongs, she was home with her family in another city confirmed by eyewitnesses.

If the children were left alone that night and the door was unlocked then yes, Misty would be held responsible for child endangerment.

I know of cases in my city where caregivers have been prosecuted for leaving young children alone and tragedy struck while they were gone. This is why if Misty was out and not home then LE can make a case against her.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 09:06 PM

Evidence of a torn screen turned into many believing it was an inside job and someone wanted to "make" it look like a break-in.

Do we have any formal substantiation from LE saying their was no forced entry in this case? MOO

You are correct. Most of the time when there is evidence, people will turn it around to meet their own objective. I remember the Shawn Hornbeck case. There was so much misinformation put out by the locals about the family. In the end, the family had nothing to do with it. I think a lot of the people that KP claims are coming forth with information are local people who have never had very much attention paid to them and lo and behold here comes KP and will cling to their every word. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 09:11 PM

My point was supposed to be (although I did not explain it well) that SO's have actually had the brass ones to walk in to an occupied residence and take children. Walk into a yard and take a child. Just walk up and take a child. It takes nerve. It takes lack of conscience. That was my point. Again...I have not the way with words that many others have. MOO

I didn't mean to question what you had posted. I was only trying to expand on it. What you just posted above is correct also. When the urge strikes SO, they don't think of anything else. It's just amazing that it is so hard to figure out what happened when they do it. I can't figure out why they don't leave clues. The guy that took Jessie Lunsford had to be about one of the dumbiest people ever and he almost got away with it. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 09:16 PM

Hi Texas48,

Just in case. Yup, I agree with you. Why didn't he say no, if what the poster up-thread said is true, that Ron does not need or want an attorney. It appears he does. What is just so special is that his wife isn't also given the same protection. These are my opinions.

Ron has an attorney for the custody issue. If/when he & Misty need an attorney for anything criminal, I'm sure they will have one. It might be a Public defender, but everyone charged with a crime is provided the protection of having an attorney.

Edited to add. Since Ron has an attorney to speak for him in the custody case, the accusations have dried up. It's just like in everyday life, as long as some one sits there and takes what is dished out, then the disher will keep dishing. I'm not taking sides in this. I hope Haliegh is found and justice is served to the guilty party. I hope the decision in the custody issue is in the best interest of the children. I have no idea what happened to Haleigh.
We have seen surprising outcomes to child abductions in the past.

JMO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 09:33 PM

It would have to have been a night of *A Perfect Storm* for a SO to know either Misty was not home, or too wasted to wake up, to go into the same room she was in and succusfully snatch that child. Not only that, to know that Ron was not there. According to Theresa he had only been on nights for three weeks. A fluctuating schedule. Haleigh was taken on a Monday night, how did the perp know Ron's schedule might have changed that week?

Nope, too many questions for a stranger SO to carry this off.

moo

It does not take very long to case a place. A few days will tell anyone what they need to know about the nuances or a particular home. Is their a garage? Who goes to work at what time? What windows are left open? Doors? What lights stay on/off? What doors are not secure, etc. My opinions. I don't think an abduction requires a perfect storm. Just an opportune moment and a few days watching. MOO

teresa

04-07-2009, 09:33 PM

I have not seen any statements from LE regarding ANY evidence. Has anyone else? I am hearing innuendo (inconsistencies), yet their pressers were always lacking in anything palpable. I thought their was a reason. Now I don't. MOO

From one of the first news conferences, this is all I can find. It seems like they did find something. Who knows if it amounted to anything.

He said evidence has been collected from the mobile home where Haleigh lived with her 3-year-old brother Junior, her father, Cummings, and Croslin — but declined to describe it.

"I can't discuss what evidence was taken into custody," Hardy said. "I don't want to reveal what was found or not found."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491485,00.html

4Kids

04-07-2009, 09:34 PM

bolding mine.

I don't believe that the investigation into the abuse of these little children would, or should be public knowledge. I believe that it is being taken very seriously.

I agree. That is why I have a difficult time with Crystal's lawyer providing the press with pictures of the playground photos. Ron (especially if he is an abuser) certainly would prefer the allegations weren't public fodder. MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 09:40 PM

4Kids

04-07-2009, 09:45 PM

The question wasn't addressed to me but I recall Ron saying someone broke in and LE saying there was no sign of forced entry early on.

Yes...door open and no sign of forced entry was the original info in the Amber alert. I have not seen anything since. Thanks, Tiff. I think LE needs to leak any info they have at this point. It may jog someone's memory. But...perhaps they have none. MOO

emdragon

04-07-2009, 09:46 PM

Crystal was not at the home that night, she was not in the shed and she was not dangling from the ceiling fan in her thongs, she was home with her family in another city confirmed by eyewitnesses.

If the children were left alone that night and the door was unlocked then yes, Misty would be held responsible for child endangerment.

I know of cases in my city where caregivers have been prosecuted for leaving young children alone and tragedy struck while they were gone. This is why if Misty was out and not home then LE can make a case against her.

Actually they said early on in this case that because she is under age she wouldn't be charged with negligence.

As for 4kids post she was simply saying that whoever was the caregiver could have been doing anything it would still be the SO who is responsible not the care giver- she just typed crystal instead of Misty.

teresa

04-07-2009, 09:48 PM

Teresa...do you recall LE ever saying that their was no sign of forced entry. I don't. However, I always assumed that was the case. Why did I assume that? I have been following this case from the day this child went missing. And I can't recall. I did find it in the original Amber Alert, but nothing since then. Getting old. LOL. MOO

I'm pretty sure they did say that even though they called it, and still do, an abduction.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 09:50 PM

From one of the first news conferences, this is all I can find. It seems like they did find something. Who knows if it amounted to anything.

He said evidence has been collected from the mobile home where Haleigh lived with her 3-year-old brother Junior, her father, Cummings, and Croslin — but declined to describe it.

"I can't discuss what evidence was taken into custody," Hardy said. "I don't want to reveal what was found or not found."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491485,00.html

Here are some more quotes from the above article.

According to Cummings, Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom. When she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open.
　
Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Van Susteren that the children seemed to be doing well living with their father.
　
Sheffield told Van Susteren that her children loved their father's girlfriend, whom he'd been dating for 4 to 6 months.
　
An uncle, Andrew Sheffield, believes she is alive, but the mystery of her whereabouts continues.
"It's fishy," he said. "Somebody knows something."

Either the article got some things wrong or people's opinions have changed since that article. I never heard any of the people say any of the things listed above, so I can't give an opinion as to what is correct or not correct.

Edited to add: The only thing that I have read that was taken as evidence was the back screen/storm. One would think that they took blankets, sheets, computer(s) and the little pink top that Haleigh was first said to be wearing. I think I remember LE saying they had given the family a list of what was taken.

JMO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 09:52 PM

Actually they said early on in this case that because she is under age she wouldn't be charged with negligence.

As for 4kids post she was simply saying that whoever was the caregiver could have been doing anything it would still be the SO who is responsible not the care giver- she just typed crystal instead of Misty.

Yes....typo on my part. Thanks emadragon. If Misty was sleeping, she was not negligent. If Misty was in the back yard, not negligent. If she was out at someone's home partying....negligent. However....the SO would still be the truly "guilty" party. MOO

CC I See

04-07-2009, 09:52 PM

bolding mine.

I don't believe that the investigation into the abuse of these little children would, or should be public knowledge. I believe that it is being taken very seriously.

Remember this is a small town and the people who may have this information may be reluctant to come forward because of the fear of retaliation from Ron and Misty's family.

If the charges do not stick even though true, these people would have to move away from the community or live in fear. My reference here is the criminal record of many members of this family which has been posted over and over in detail on this forum.

I for one know how it is to have information about something and not want to come forward because if the charges are denied then I would face retaliation. Something this important, I would do it anyway.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 09:54 PM

Here are some more quotes from the above article.

According to Cummings, Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom. When she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open.
　
Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Van Susteren that the children seemed to be doing well living with their father.
　
Sheffield told Van Susteren that her children loved their father's girlfriend, whom he'd been dating for 4 to 6 months.
Sheffield told Van Susteren that her children loved their father's girlfriend, whom he'd been dating for 4 to 6 months.
　
An uncle, Andrew Sheffield, believes she is alive, but the mystery of her whereabouts continues.
"It's fishy," he said. "Somebody knows something."

Either the article got some things wrong or people's opinions have changed since that article. I never heard any of the people say any of the things listed above, so I can't give an opinion as to what is correct or not correct. JMO

These things were said. I saw similar interviews. Then, all of a sudden, the abuse allegations came up, drug use etc. Then there was an apology from Marie for the mudslinging. Then it continued and here we are today. Boggles my mind. MOO

Nice early timeline:

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090215/ARTICLES/902150983

MOO

CC I See

04-07-2009, 09:56 PM

Actually they said early on in this case that because she is under age she wouldn't be charged with negligence.

As for 4kids post she was simply saying that whoever was the caregiver could have been doing anything it would still be the SO who is responsible not the care giver- she just typed crystal instead of Misty.

That's really strange because kids can be charged with all kinds of adult crimes and this should be no an exception. So she gets a free pass? I don't believe it.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 09:58 PM

Remember this is a small town and the people who may have this information may be reluctant to come forward because of the fear of retaliation from Ron and Misty's family.

If the charges do not stick even though true, these people would have to move away from the community or live in fear. My reference here is the criminal record of many members of this family which has been posted over and over in detail on this forum.

I for one know how it is to have information about something and not want to come forward because if the charges are denied then I would face retaliation. Something this important, I would do it anyway.

Neighbors, perhaps. Physicians, teachers etc. must report or they lose their jobs. Mandatory reporters. MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 10:01 PM

We really don't know where the investigation into the abuse stands. We don't know who else has come forward to tell about what they have seen. I'm curious why you would even doubt a mother's fears for her children. As to why she didn't say that Ron was abusive in the beginning, I can only guess. In my eyes she is a battered woman, a victim of domestic violence, and she shares with many the after-effects of trauma. She is experiencing the immediate trauma of her oldest child gone missing. She strikes me as a young woman having to deal with past and present brutal realities in the glare of public scruitny. I see her in the battle for life itself. This is my opinion

I would not walk in Crystal's shoes for all the money in the world. As I said earlier, she has many qualities I admire. The timing of the allegations are odd. I am sorry that my doubt of these claims is troubling. I consider myself openminded, but it is just my opinion on this. Untrue allegations are often made during custody hearings. MOO

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 10:01 PM

Bingo! I think that is exactly why they got married when they did. Ron looked like he was miserable. If that was the plan Ron got some really bad advice.

It's just as likely that when the custody rumors started and DCF was going to get involved again, that Ron was warned they would be talking to Misty's parents and with all the public outcry, the Croslins could have been charged with negligence by not providing for their child and that would open the door to prosecute him POSSIBLY concerning Misty.

Another view would question whether Misty was being honest when she claimed to be pregnant and IF THAT WAS THE CASE, it would have played out as statutory rape if they could no longer deny sexual contact.

It's very possible he was alerted/warned about the possibilities down the road, you know....just like Crystal being warned that the support issue would be back on the table when Haleigh came home. JMO tho. :sad:

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:01 PM

Neighbors, perhaps. Physicians, teachers etc. must report or they lose their jobs. Mandatory reporters. MOO

I think I read somewhere that DCS had been to the house, so I guess maybe someone complained. Evidently the complaints were not substantiated. JMO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 10:03 PM

I think I read somewhere that DCS had been to the house, so I guess maybe someone complained. Evidently the complaints were not valid. JMO

If they allegations were made, they could have been valid but "unfounded". I hope not. MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 10:05 PM

Night all...perhaps I will pop in later. Duty calls. Maybe tomorrow will be the day they find Haleigh. MOO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:05 PM

If they allegations were made, they could have been valid but "unfounded". I hope not. MOO

I realized I had used the wrong word and was editing at the same time you responded!! JMO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 10:08 PM

Why would anyone care about what Ron prefers if they believe he is a child abuser and a possible murderer?

This is my opinion

I don't believe he is either. I was reponding to your post where you indicated that the abuse allegations or investigation SHOULD NOT be public. I agreed with you. Crystal's attorney does not. IMO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 10:09 PM

Why would anyone care about what Ron prefers if they believe he is a child abuser and a possible murderer?

This is my opinion

Great minds...lol. See ya later Answer. MOO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:09 PM

I just checked and there are only 31 posters on the Haleigh thread. No posters, no media coverage, no nothing. Please someone find Haleigh. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:13 PM

Didn't DCF say they have been out at least three or four times, and the last one, IIRC, recently within the last few months. I know there has to have been contact:

1. Ron knew what was acceptable for corporal punishment
2. Having to move from a 2 to a 3 bedroom home.

3. DCF's reaction that hitting with a switch was acceptable. (someone must have filed a report on that)

Bottom line. Ron was no stranger to DCF.

moo

It does not surprise me that DCF had been to the house. From what I have seen since Haleigh's disappearance, I think this custody issue probably had complaints from the other side. It happens a lot of time in custody cases. Disgruntled parties are always trying to get back at the other ex. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:16 PM

See: Cobra, AH and KP do keep the Haleigh story alive. They haven't been around lately, so Haleigh's story as tanked. A story that would have been long gone off the pages weeks ago had it not been for the forementioned people.

moo

I'm not totally convinced that the story they kept alive was the right one. It was not based on finding Haleigh, they had a totally different agenda. JMO

CelticDawn

04-07-2009, 10:18 PM

QUOTE?noanswerHere are some more quotes from the above article.

According to Cummings, Haleigh had gotten up to use the bathroom. When she didn't return, Croslin went to look for her and noticed the back door was open.
　I thought that Misty said that SHE got up and .....and saw the light....door ...and went back and HALEIGH was not there...called ron, then 911 and Ron didnt answer because he was pulling up at that time....but YET if she was running around looking for Haleigh WOULDNT SHE HAVE SEEN RON WAS HOME?...HOW MANY TIMES DID SHE TRY HIM?...THE BACK DOOR OPEN, ..A LIGHT ON...HE KNOWS SHE HAZS CALLED TWICE IIRC....THAT DOESNT WASH.

Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Van Susteren that the children seemed to be doing well living with their father.　contradicts what she is saying now...How can they be doing well yet have been abused...???

Sheffield told Van Susteren that her children loved their father's girlfriend, whom he'd been dating for 4 to 6 months.　
Misty also said that Haleigh wanted her to marry Ron.

An uncle, Andrew Sheffield, believes she is alive, but the mystery of her whereabouts continues.
"It's fishy," he said. "Somebody knows something."
I believe that Misty knows exactly what happened that night and the key lies in JRs remarks about the guy in black and the couch.

Either the article got some things wrong or people's opinions have changed since that article. I never heard any of the people say any of the things listed above, so I can't give an opinion as to what is correct or not correct.

Edited to add: The only thing that I have read that was taken as evidence was the back screen/storm. One would think that they took blankets, sheets, computer(s) and the little pink top that Haleigh was first said to be wearing. I think I remember LE saying they had given the family a list of what was taken.

JMO

I don't think peoples opinions have changed but IF THIS IS A SCAM ...I think that ALL OF THEM would HAVE TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED FOR IT TO WORK....and that IF this is a scam to collect money,....SOMEONE got disagreeable and the whole thing fell apart and that is possibly where we are today.

This is all pure speculation....but if this was a scam then even if it fell apart, all would be in deep....to deep to report the others....and cant confess....

This is quite naiive...but I have seen ruses pulled similar to the above scenario...<for a specified amount ...and certainly more sure than this longshot>

I almost wish that this were the case because it would mean that Haleigh is most likely alive.

rosieposett

04-07-2009, 10:19 PM

I agree and I wish LE would put some pressure on her. So, far whatever they are doing with Misty is not working. I think the LE that treated Misty " rude" as she said on the Today Show, needs to pull her in again for questioning.

Evening Apple. I was wondering if LE has the authority to bring Misti in for questioning without her approval. I don't have a link for this, but I read somewhere that when LE called Misti for another interview, Misti told LE to stop bothering her. If this is true, Misti is a bold person. But apparently LE is respecting her wishes.

I also wish they could pull her in and shake her til she told what she knows, but torture is not permitted. And Misti is the type that will spit in your eye if you get too close. jmo

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:21 PM

<bolding mine>

I always wondered if that is one reason Misty's story changed regarding the beds. Had DCF already busted them on their sleeping arrangements in the past? Was that why Ronald was so adamant in the GVS interview, stating the beds were NOT 4 inches apart, rather 4 feet apart? Answering for Misty, clarifying the sleeping arrangements?

Does anyone know how long DCF takes to investigate a situation like this? I thought it wouldn't be longer than a week, but then again, I've never dealt with agencies like this. Does anyone know the typical time period it takes to do an investigation such as this?

jmo

The only question I can try to answer is the 4" versus 4'. I really think that was an honest mistake on Misty's part. She did say they were about the same distance as the 2 chairs they were sitting in. My spouse is always correcting me on my saying " instead of '. I have never had an experience with DCF, but having worked with an agency that administers Section 8 housing, I know that there has to be a seperate br for children and if different sexes, a br for each sex. I can't remember if there was a minimum age for that regulation to be effective. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:24 PM

Evening Apple. I was wondering if LE has the authority to bring Misti in for questioning without her approval. I don't have a link for this, but I read somewhere that when LE called Misti for another interview, Misti told LE to stop bothering her. If this is true, Misti is a bold person. But apparently LE is respecting her wishes.

I also wish they could pull her in and shake her til she told what she knows, but torture is not permitted. And Misti is the type that will spit in your eye if you get too close. jmo

They could do that, but if they don't mirandize (sp?) her and allow her to get an attorney, anything they could get her to say could not be used against her in a court of law. JMO

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 10:26 PM

<bolding mine>

Because even though le knew about WBG and possible other men Misty was linked to, no one was gossiping about that item yet and he knew the can of worms was about to open up. He knew the public wouldn't like Misty's shennanigans with other men very well, even though he seems to be pretty okay with it. But then again, only God can judge Ronald Cummings.

imo

51viking:thumbsup:lmao::laugh:

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 10:28 PM

These things were said. I saw similar interviews. Then, all of a sudden, the abuse allegations came up, drug use etc. Then there was an apology from Marie for the mudslinging. Then it continued and here we are today. Boggles my mind. MOO

Nice early timeline:

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090215/ARTICLES/902150983

MOO

4kids, I can't help but feel things were going well for everyone who had a commitment to the children. Crystal had more than likely slowed down on the calling in stories, Marie was probably happy Crystal seemed to have settled down some and it's clear from the pictures everyone from Sister Sarah to Marie and Connie think the sun rises and shines on Chloe. Chad was obviously treating Crystal well, and Ron was doing his thing with the children with the help of Teresa and GGM Sykes.

Sometimes it's easier to refrain from asking the questions and accept the BS sitting in front of your eyes if everyone is smiling, but that is JMO.

Obviously this entire group was pretty familiar with LE and drugs, whether it was in the past or not. Remember in 2006 Johnny, former Marine, former Sheriff's deputy had actually made a statement about witnessing Ron doing drugs around one of the children and refusing a bottle to a child with no teeth....:unsure: OKAY, again, let's go over Johnny Sheffields RECORD and I find that pretty hard to believe unless Johnny was enjoying the ride himself. ALL MY OPINION:w00t:

CANDYKISSES

04-07-2009, 10:30 PM

you know what i mean.......she was on tv everyday and then when her little story about the greg being in the house that night didn't pan out she hasn't been on tv since.

You noticed that too????:sneaky:

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:34 PM

I'd like to know where all the Cummings went. No pleas to the so called abductor to return her. No prodding LE to organize searches. Nothing but silence. Like life moved on.

moo

I think the media has moved on. Ron's lawyer has probably told him to be quite. I also heard that Ron was going back to work yesterday. His lawyer also probably told him to do that too.

I also heard that The Sheffields were not allowed to participate in the parade or the Catfish Festival because of asking for donations.

Don't know how true any of this is so, I'll say JMO. It is also my opinion that they should get back to their normal life. I remember Posters have been angry that the A's were not working. If LE needs any information, they can still provide it while going about their everday lives. JMO

CC I See

04-07-2009, 10:37 PM

I'd like to know where all the Cummings went. No pleas to the so called abductor to return her. No prodding LE to organize searches. Nothing but silence. Like life moved on. moo

.... out of sight out of mind. Maybe they just want to move on and forget.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:38 PM

4kids, I can't help but feel things were going well for everyone who had a commitment to the children. Crystal had more than likely slowed down on the calling in stories, Marie was probably happy Crystal seemed to have settled down some and it's clear from the pictures everyone from Sister Sarah to Marie and Connie think the sun rises and shines on Chloe. Chad was obviously treating Crystal well, and Ron was doing his thing with the children with the help of Teresa and GGM Sykes.

Sometimes it's easier to refrain from asking the questions and accept the BS sitting in front of your eyes if everyone is smiling, but that is JMO.

Obviously this entire group was pretty familiar with LE and drugs, whether it was in the past or not. Remember in 2006 Johnny, former Marine, former Sheriff's deputy had actually made a statement about witnessing Ron doing drugs around one of the children and refusing a bottle to a child with no teeth....:unsure: OKAY, again, let's go over Johnny Sheffields RECORD and I find that pretty hard to believe unless Johnny was enjoying the ride himself. ALL MY OPINION:w00t:

It has crossed my mind that everyone was satisfied with the status quo. When Haleigh disappeared, I wonder if the Sheffield side saw the Cummings getting donations and maybe being paid for providing pictures to the media, and they decided they wanted to get in on it while the getting was good. JMO

jayb

04-07-2009, 10:43 PM

This is my theory on Haleigh Cummings and psychics

I looked at several psychic readings from different psychics and I put together a list of what was similar between the psychics.

Not Dead
Dispute over money
Family or someone familiar with the family involved
Misty
She's moving from place to place

These are some of the things that's similar between the psychics and I couldn't help think of the movie Gone Baby Gone.

Could a family member have staged the kidnapping to get Haleigh away from the drug addict father?

Maybe someone in the family saw this movie and they thought this was the best way to get her away from Ron the father.

Just speculation

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:43 PM

They also have a website that is accurate, unfortunately Ronald's website for Haleigh still gives misinformation.

>>>>cue the crickets.

I wish the web designer had put a counter on the web sites. I think there are not many people looking at them. Mostly posters on the message board, friend, and family are the ones that are visiting. I just googled and neither came up. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:46 PM

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:50 PM

Ronald has a website?

His attorney arranged to have someone design it. http://findhaleighnow.com Note: It is not www.

There is a few errors on it and I do think the Haleighbug one looks better. But looks won't find Haleigh. JMO

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 10:50 PM

If she is on TV it's because she's invited. You can't just show up. Surely you know that. :huh:

There hasn't been anything about Haleigh on NG or JVM, so it's not just KP that hasn't been on. Why do you single her out?

I don't know what you mean by her story didn't pan out.

I agree. I realize there may not be any new developments, but for crying out loud, why can't they put her picture out there. I know it probably doesn't do any good, but I am going to email NG for the 4th time, and JVM for the 2nd time. :angry: At least it'll be off my chest.:mad:

jayb

04-07-2009, 10:51 PM

If someone took her for any reason, they will be in a world of trouble if/when they are caught. JMO

If this is the scenario, would they be wrong if Ron was abusive to Haleigh?

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:56 PM

The quality of both websites is rotten, imo. Looks like a child put them together, especially Ronalds. Websites are not that expensive and can be a huge tool to use with cases like this.

As far as the search engines are concerned, neither sites are going to come to the top of the engines unless they are put together properly, using links, keywords and other methods. I'm shocked that both of these website owners actually put their stamp of approval on them. It's pretty sad and completely archaic.

jmo

I agree. But someone said that it took 5 people to design the last one for Haleigh's maternal side of the family. I think they learned a lesson when they allowed comments to be posted before being moderated! It does look like what a little girl's should look like, but if noone know about it, it will do no good.

The one for Ronald's side of the family does not even look good, but I think the biggest reason for it was to rebut the child abuse claims. If I was the company that designed it, I would be ashamed. It is not centered, the pictures are not aligned, but it does get the message that the atty. wanted out. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 10:59 PM

If this is the scenario, would they be wrong if Ron was abusive to Haleigh?

Yes, one cannot take the law into their own hands. No matter how bad they might think it is, they still have to go thru legal channels. If someone thought it was that bad, they should have taken her to LE and had them investigate. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 11:03 PM

Is that Crystals website? Why in the world does she have pictures of Ron on there with Haleigh if he abuses his children? There is no way i would have a pictures of my ex husband any where in my life specially around my children.

'cause she likes him!! Sometimes I think she & Ron might still be together if not for the in-laws. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 11:05 PM

I agree. I also heard it took 5 people to put the Haleigh bug site up, when I viewed it I about fell off my chair, FIVE people to do that? It's only a one page site fgs. I hope no one paid for that. But I was glad to see at least something was finally up and running. Then Ron's came along and I did fall off my chair, lol. I am a very picky person though, so it's just my opinion.

I will say I was also surprised that neither site had a paypal button on it. IF what some people are saying is true, that they are in it for the money, then how in sam he&& could they leave off such a vital tool to collect donations?

jmo

IIRC, Crystal's does have a blurb about donations and how to make them. Did you see the first one that was up for Crystal. It was really a mess.

I guess like they say, you get what you pay for. JMO

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 11:08 PM

She likes him even after he beat her daughter until she was bleeding?

I was sorta kidding about the liking, but there were some pictures that portrayed that. I think her mother and probably Ron's mother have a big influence on the problems between them. Grandma's like them grandkids!!! JMO

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 11:10 PM

My old irish uncle used to say to me "when a task has once begun, never stop until it's done, be it big, be it small, do it well and do it all."

You just don't drop a story like this, imo. How they can go to bed at night and ignore Haleigh without so much as flashing her picture at the end of a show is beyond me. IF you start a story, finish it!

jmo

I totally agree viking. I don't know anything about ratings, and all that stuff, all I know is there's a lot of people like us who care for this child, and the other missing children, and yada, yada, yada...CMA. I followed that until the day they found Little Caylee, Now I just want to see the key thrown away. I don't care about anything else. I also feel that she's for the Ron camp, and that bothers me. I hate how she talked about Crystal's past w/o regard to Ron's past. That's another can of worms, and my aching heart for SC just doesn't want to go there, so I'll stop rambling.:sad:

Puffybubble

04-07-2009, 11:12 PM

Hi everyone.

How long were Misty and Ron together before marriage, a year or so? So I dont think the marriage is all that shocking.

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 11:13 PM

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 11:13 PM

I agree. I also heard it took 5 people to put the Haleigh bug site up, when I viewed it I about fell off my chair, FIVE people to do that? It's only a one page site fgs. I hope no one paid for that. But I was glad to see at least something was finally up and running. Then Ron's came along and I did fall off my chair, lol. I am a very picky person though, so it's just my opinion.

I will say I was also surprised that neither site had a paypal button on it. IF what some people are saying is true, that they are in it for the money, then how in sam he&& could they leave off such a vital tool to collect donations?

jmo

I called to donate, and got a answering machine, and I left a message. I never received a return call. Paypal would have been nice.

?noanswer

04-07-2009, 11:15 PM

Yes, that blurb is a phone # to call in and make the donation, again how archaic. The first one was a mess, I agree.

I never noticed the pic of Ron on there before, I've gotta say I'm pretty amazed that they would include that pic of him given all the circumstances. He may have legal rights to have her pull that pic of him off, not sure on that.

I agree, you do get what you pay for and if I were any closer I'd march into both camps and design both of them a website that would reach every human possible. Doesn't Haleigh deserve that much?

jmo

Yes she does. In fact, they should have joined together and got one out in the very beginning. Now that there is no media coverage, and they don't have any key words for searches, then noone will see them.

Here's hoping Haleigh is found tomorrow and there will be no need for web pages, good or bad!!! JMO

titanfan217

04-07-2009, 11:15 PM

Oh, Ron went back to work this week? That's good.

I heard another rumor that he didn't, but then most of what we have is rumors.

Squidward

04-07-2009, 11:22 PM

I have no idea. I never even noticed it until tonight, it's completely BIZARRE. Can't even try to make sense of it. Anyone else? Anyone?

jmo

I never even noticed it before now, yes it's strange but that's just one more thing about this case that's STRANGE.

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 11:26 PM

We think alike crw. As soon as they found Caylee, that was all I needed. All this other evidence as to how Casey went about her life, was arrested, her parents, Lee, private detectives, blah blah blah, I didn't care about. But, NG sure does, almost obsessively, imo. Tonight I caught the tail end of her show and she was all but crying over some girlscouts selling cookies, she then presented them with a check for 350 bucks for buying the cookies. I had a jaw dropping moment, I love the girlscouts and all, but how does that blurb make it on the show and Haleigh doesn't? Fascinating.

jmo
IMO PATHETIC?! Not the donating GS, How sweet:wink: Just the fact a missing child out there, ONLY GOD KNOWS WHERE, oh, and the abductor. Yea right!! NG can':cursing:t put her face on for 5 seconds. My blood is boiling.
I'm going to shut up, before I'm banned. :mad:

Ice Cycle

04-07-2009, 11:30 PM

We think alike crw. As soon as they found Caylee, that was all I needed. All this other evidence as to how Casey went about her life, was arrested, her parents, Lee, private detectives, blah blah blah, I didn't care about. But, NG sure does, almost obsessively, imo. Tonight I caught the tail end of her show and she was all but crying over some girlscouts selling cookies, she then presented them with a check for 350 bucks for buying the cookies. I had a jaw dropping moment, I love the girlscouts and all, but how does that blurb make it on the show and Haleigh doesn't? Fascinating.

jmo

Well the reason for that is their is nothing new to report but if you think back their were days that their was nothing to report on the CA case either so they just repeated their self, but the difference is they knew their would be docks coming to discuss. Plus the media has been persistent in getting CA information were they have not in the Haleigh case. Also the LE in Haleigh's case have been extremely tight lip compared to the CA case.
What gets me is if either or both of her parents are not guilty why would they not be setting on LE's door step to find out what they do have. Most parents would be.

Puffybubble

04-07-2009, 11:31 PM

I have no idea. I never even noticed it until tonight, it's completely BIZARRE. Can't even try to make sense of it. Anyone else? Anyone?

jmo

Maybe because thats Haleighs father> Didnt Crystal say haleigh was his heart? Wasn't she also comforting Ron in a pic at a memorial?

Squidward

04-07-2009, 11:33 PM

Has Ron went back to work yet?
yeah i'm a little confused by Crystal, but not near as confused as i am by Misty.

There is a rumor that he did not return to work as planned, but it's only a rumor so no link

I am confused by all of them

crwofter1

04-07-2009, 11:35 PM

Good night everyone
My head is pounding.
I pray for this PRECIOUS CHILD to be found quickly, and that SC killer, or killers are also found quickly.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 11:43 PM

Hi 4kids,

Let me say that I am not wanting to be rude or argumentative; I think we just disagree.

I also think we are having a little communication breakdown.

When you say you "don't believe he is either," than I have to say to you that I DO believe he is an abuser and very possibly a murderer.

When I was talking about the investigation not being public, I meant that it is going on behind the scenes. The allegations of abuse being made public by Crystal and her attorney are, in my view, Crystal's attempt to show that her children have been in danger and that her son still is. This, to my way of thinking, goes to the heart of Haleigh's disappearance.

These are my opinions.

Seeker, I think we have different opinions. I respect your opinion. I hope and pray you are not right. MOO.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 11:47 PM

I have no idea. I never even noticed it until tonight, it's completely BIZARRE. Can't even try to make sense of it. Anyone else? Anyone?

jmo

Hi 51. See post 335. That is my opinion on the Crystal/Ron relationship. That is why I question the abuse allegations. Marie seems to harbor some hard feelings against Ron, however...and she was the first one to tread down that road. MOO.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 11:50 PM

I have seen on this board several times accustions about Ron hitting his children with sticks. Where did this come from? SOS. How did I miss this? MOO

Squidward

04-07-2009, 11:50 PM

I would love to know if Ron and Crystal have been talking. Would it not be shocking if they got back together? Something strange is going on and i can't figure it out. I really thought the Caylee case was bad but this case is 1000 times stranger. moo

Honestly I don't think anything would shock me with this group. I think something is going on too, but what? Hopefully whatever is happening is getting closer to finding Haleigh.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 11:51 PM

I agree, but we also had more hard pressed news reporters covering the CA case, the local and national news didn't give up. For instance, if I were a reporter I'd be chasing down that AC guy, finding out his name and everything he knows, kwim? Yet we hear virtually nothing about the AC guy being there that night, muchless who the heck he is. Did he see Haleigh there? Who else was there? etc.

And I totally agree with you about why they wouldn't be sitting on LE's doorstep to find out what they have, but then again, I'm not a big fan of Sheriff Jeff Hardy and I wonder how both Ron and Crystal feel about him, does he intimidate them? Would camping out on the frontsteps even work with him?

jmo

51. Why are you not a fan of Hardy? I am not, but I was curious as to why you feel that way. I think we just agreed on something. LOL. MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 11:53 PM

Honestly I don't think anything would shock me with this group. I think something is going on too, but what? Hopefully whatever is happening is getting closer to finding Haleigh.

Unfinished business and perhaps an attachment is what is going on. I have seen that happen in some relationships. Explains the love/hate. Abusive/Best Dad ever thing. MOO

Squidward

04-07-2009, 11:53 PM

I have seen on this board several times accustions about Ron hitting his children with sticks. Where did this come from? SOS. How did I miss this? MOO

I don't have links.

It was said that he hit the children with switches and that DCF calls that an acceptable form of punishment.

4Kids

04-07-2009, 11:54 PM

Crystal claims Haleigh told her Ron hit junior with sticks.

Really? When? Is this since KP came into the picture?

MOO

4Kids

04-07-2009, 11:57 PM

I don't have links.

It was said that he hit the children with switches and that DCF calls that an acceptable form of punishment.

Thanks Sqid & Answer. I, a self declared feminist, don't believe these accusations. MOO

LILMANMAX

04-08-2009, 12:00 AM

I've always felt Crystal could not be trusted. Could not explain why at first.
But after Geraldo's team was in her home filming Crystal and JR, it started clearing up for me. That was so not good to film that. And her asking or practically putting words in JR's mouth. Too me that is child endangerment. Whoever took Haleigh was probably watching that segment. It showed an extreme lack of good judgement to say the least.

Then when she hit the airwaves with this attorney, Kim to try to settle issues she has with Ron. I do not for a minute believe she could get custody of JR or does she want to. If she did, they would have filed for custody. I think this is some way to ease her conscience for not being fit enough to have custody in the first place. She has showed her true colors to me and I'm sure alot more people. JMHO

4Kids

04-08-2009, 12:06 AM

Yes. It was when they released the pictures to Art harris IIRC.

Here it is....March 19th.

She says she asked the kids why Junior had welts on his legs and bruises on his arm. “Haleigh said, ‘Daddy hit him with a stick,” something Ronald denies.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/19/do-exclusive-haleigh-cummings-pix-prove-abuse/#more-1290

Ah...yes, I can see where people would construe the langauge in this "article" to say DCF approves of children being hit with sticks. However, I think that is not the case, and DCF did not find welts, etc. MOO

Ice Cycle

04-08-2009, 12:06 AM

I agree, but we also had more hard pressed news reporters covering the CA case, the local and national news didn't give up. For instance, if I were a reporter I'd be chasing down that AC guy, finding out his name and everything he knows, kwim? Yet we hear virtually nothing about the AC guy being there that night, muchless who the heck he is. Did he see Haleigh there? Who else was there? etc.

And I totally agree with you about why they wouldn't be sitting on LE's doorstep to find out what they have, but then again, I'm not a big fan of Sheriff Jeff Hardy and I wonder how both Ron and Crystal feel about him, does he intimidate them? Would camping out on the frontsteps even work with him?

jmo

I agree that their are a lot of questions the Media could be asking. I can think of a lot that they could be pursuing, the AC guy, Ron's employee's to see if he left work, Misti's friends, Neighbors and many others. Obviously LE has gotten no where so how could it hurt?