Tuesday, April 7th Discussion

[rosieposett]

I've always felt Crystal could not be trusted. Could not explain why at first.
But after Geraldo's team was in her home filming Crystal and JR, it started clearing up for me. That was so not good to film that. And her asking or practically putting words in JR's mouth. Too me that is child endangerment. Whoever took Haleigh was probably watching that segment. It showed an extreme lack of good judgement to say the least.

Then when she hit the airwaves with this attorney, Kim to try to settle issues she has with Ron. I do not for a minute believe she could get custody of JR or does she want to. If she did, they would have filed for custody. I think this is some way to ease her conscience for not being fit enough to have custody in the first place. She has showed her true colors to me and I'm sure alot more people. JMHO

Welcome Lil. I think most of us agree that Crystal was not an adequate parent at the time she had the children. Whether she is now, I don't know. Smarter people than me will have to figure that one out. However, being a bad parent does not make one a murderer. Sneaking out of the house to party does not make a murderer, nor being at work makes a murderer. But someone took this baby and I am of the opinion that it is family involved. Not a stranger. jmo

[LILMANMAX]

Welcome Lil. I think most of us agree that Crystal was not an adequate parent at the time she had the children. Whether she is now, I don't know. Smarter people than me will have to figure that one out. However, being a bad parent does not make one a murderer. Sneaking out of the house to party does not make a murderer, nor being at work makes a murderer. But someone took this baby and I am of the opinion that it is family involved. Not a stranger. jmo


I respect your opinion Rosie.
But will continue with my opinion of a non-family member abduction. Which is not a good outcome for finding Haleigh.
Take care

[4Kids]

I'm certain irl we'd find a lot more to agree on our dislike for Sheriff Jeff Hardy, lol.

There are many reasons I don't care for him, a few of them are his handling of this case, his apparent arrogance(imo), but one of the biggest reasons I don't care for him is within 2 weeks of this case, he was crying about the financial strain the case was taking on the department, that should have remained quiet and behind closed doors, imo. I don't want to say too much more for fear of bashing him on a public board, but I really don't like that he is in charge of this case and feel he has no sense of urgency in regards to finding Haleigh. I could be totally off, it's just my opinion.

What are your thoughts on him?


I thought he mispoke on several occasions early on. He referenced people being "cleared". A pretty technical term in LE World, if you ask me. However, people have been uncleared including Cousin Joe. A few other things come to mind. He strikes me as a person who is quite tenacious. If he has a theory, he will pursue it to no end. Good if he is right. Very bad if he is wrong. MOO

[Squidward]

Can someone explain to me how the only people that seen the children abused was Crystal and her family............

I am not sure, but I also don't know for a fact that no one outside the family has come forward, just because we haven't heard that anyone outside the family has said something doesn't mean they haven't.

[4Kids]

4kids, I can't help but feel things were going well for everyone who had a commitment to the children. Crystal had more than likely slowed down on the calling in stories, Marie was probably happy Crystal seemed to have settled down some and it's clear from the pictures everyone from Sister Sarah to Marie and Connie think the sun rises and shines on Chloe. Chad was obviously treating Crystal well, and Ron was doing his thing with the children with the help of Teresa and GGM Sykes.

Sometimes it's easier to refrain from asking the questions and accept the BS sitting in front of your eyes if everyone is smiling, but that is JMO.

Obviously this entire group was pretty familiar with LE and drugs, whether it was in the past or not. Remember in 2006 Johnny, former Marine, former Sheriff's deputy had actually made a statement about witnessing Ron doing drugs around one of the children and refusing a bottle to a child with no teeth....:unsure: OKAY, again, let's go over Johnny Sheffields RECORD and I find that pretty hard to believe unless Johnny was enjoying the ride himself. ALL MY OPINION:w00t:

ITA. I have respected you as a poster since my lurking days on the Duke case. I think you believed the original story, but were very open to the facts as they became available. Impressive. MOO

[Squidward]

I thought he mispoke on several occasions early on. He referenced people being "cleared". A pretty technical term in LE World, if you ask me. However, people have been uncleared including Cousin Joe. A few other things come to mind. He strikes me as a person who is quite tenacious. If he has a theory, he will pursue it to no end. Good if he is right. Very bad if he is wrong. MOO

IA with both of you about Sheriff Hardy. I hope whatever his theory was/is is proven to be true. Don't wanna bash LE, I just hope they are on the right track.

[4Kids]

Exactly and don't you find it strange that we haven't been given any leaks? NONE. Why? Not even a leak to Misty's juvey record, if one applies. No cell phone leaks, no computer leaks, no dna leaks, door leaks, etc. nada.

I cannot recall a case where not one bit of info was leaked, can you? Even a major star like Rihanna had her bloody and abused picture leaked. Why not with this case?

jmo

To answer your last question, perhaps because they have nothing, just as Sh. Hardy has recently stated. No evidence. No trace. MOO

[Squidward]

Exactly and don't you find it strange that we haven't been given any leaks? NONE. Why? Not even a leak to Misty's juvey record, if one applies. No cell phone leaks, no computer leaks, no dna leaks, door leaks, etc. nada.

I cannot recall a case where not one bit of info was leaked, can you? Even a major star like Rihanna had her bloody and abused picture leaked. Why not with this case?

jmo

I hate to say this but I think maybe there have been no leaks, cause there is nothing to leak. I hope they have something, but their silence makes you wonder what if anything they actually have.

[4Kids]

Evening Apple. I was wondering if LE has the authority to bring Misti in for questioning without her approval. I don't have a link for this, but I read somewhere that when LE called Misti for another interview, Misti told LE to stop bothering her. If this is true, Misti is a bold person. But apparently LE is respecting her wishes.

I also wish they could pull her in and shake her til she told what she knows, but torture is not permitted. And Misti is the type that will spit in your eye if you get too close. jmo

Anyone care to elaborate on this post? Is any of this substantiated? I would think if this were true, LE would have mentioned it? MOO

[4Kids]

You could very well be right, however I still believe they have evidence but are unable to do anything with the evidence until they either find Haleigh or gain more substantial evidence against the perp.

jmo

I think I may agree with you....again. Perhaps the evidence they did get, prints, DNA, etc. just don't happen to match their theory. MOO

[Ice Cycle]

Exactly and don't you find it strange that we haven't been given any leaks? NONE. Why? Not even a leak to Misty's juvey record, if one applies. No cell phone leaks, no computer leaks, no dna leaks, door leaks, etc. nada.

I cannot recall a case where not one bit of info was leaked, can you? Even a major star like Rihanna had her bloody and abused picture leaked. Why not with this case?

jmo

No and has been my thought exactly. I have wondered if it has had something to due with the CA case and maybe LE does not want the critique or the National attention.

[4Kids]

Ruh-roh 4kids, twice in one night? :laugh:

:w00t:

Ok 51 ( or any other interested parties), let's go for the gusto:

Do you think LE should have stopped the ground searches when they did?

Do you think the dumpster was searched properly?

Do you think the DNA mess up was shocking?

Do you think the SO's were cleared too quickly?

Do you think LE ever considered an SO after day 5 (give or take)?

Do you think LE is any further than they were on day one?

Do you think that releasing no information to the public is the best way to handle a case like this?

MOO

[Squidward]

What do you think Squid, is it possible that the cellphone activity as well as pings may say something? What about the computer they confiscated? I'm wondering if any of those items have given them clues. I also wonder about the door they confiscated as well as the water heater wall they took off. What about leaking the AC guys name? Why so quiet on that end? Who is this AC guy anyway and what information does he have to offer?

jmo

The AC guy continues to puzzle me, I have seen people on various forums pull up information on everyone involved, they have found out information on neighbors etc, but not one peep about the AC guy :confused:

I'm sure that they have the cell phone activity and pings, I'm interested if Misty's phone was in use between 10pm and 3am.

The door also puzzles me too, they took the screen/storm door after it had been released to the family, I can't imagine what they could find out from the door. They would need the main door to prove or disprove forced entry. Did they take it for prints/DNA? The wall seems important they took that early on.

To me they seem no closer now than they were on day one.

[Squidward]

Do you honestly feel like Ron beat his children?

I really don't know. I don't believe everything out of Crystal's mouth, and I'm sure she exaggerates and I know she adds bits here and there. I don't think he beats them to a bloody pulp.

The thing that bothers me is that Ron has said he hits his kids according to how DCF has instructed him to do so. DCF does not knock on random doors to teach people how to beat their children. If they did show him the proper way to hit his kids, I think there was a reason. This makes me believe that there may be some truth to what Crystal says.

[Squidward]

:w00t:

Ok 51 ( or any other interested parties), let's go for the gusto:

Do you think LE should have stopped the ground searches when they did?

Do you think the dumpster was searched properly?

Do you think the DNA mess up was shocking?

Do you think the SO's were cleared too quickly?

Do you think LE ever considered an SO after day 5 (give or take)?

Do you think LE is any further than they were on day one?

Do you think that releasing no information to the public is the best way to handle a case like this?

MOO

No I think they should have searched longer.
No I do not think the dumpster was searched properly.
Yes on the DNA mix up
Yes on the SOs being cleared
No I don't think they have looked at new suspects since day 5
No I don't think LE is any closer
I think releasing some info is good and could be very helpful especially at this point, but they shouldn't release everything

[4Kids]

well i've been thinking about this.........What if DCF came out and cleared Ron and then he said something like hey what is the legal way to spank your child. if that's the case they will show him where to spank and how hard to spank. At least thats what heard they do here in Texas.

Abuse allegations were made during the custody hearing. DCF would have become involved, especially since Ron was awarded custody. They would have given him the Do's and Don'ts then, I would think. Especially about discipline, due to the allegations. I am sure they would have visited again, for follow-up. IMO

[4Kids]

Just my opinions on it all, wish le would let some info out and at this point I truly believe it would not jeopardize a single thing. I go back and forth as to whether Ronald knows anything, same with Crystal. As far as Misty is concerned, she knows something.

moo

Well, 51, we are in the same church, same pew, simply sitting across the aisle from one another. I sure hope someone out there stumbles upon something. MOO

[4Kids]

That's why I think Misty told Ron "hey, the jig is up, either you marry me or I will make you look bad/abusive" etc. Misty wanted to get married, Misty wants kids, not later, not once they find Haleigh, but right now.

jmo

*night all, it's been nice posting tonight. I hope the news stations bring us an update tomorrow and also hope they get their priorities straight and do some digging on this case. See you all tomorrow.

It has been a pleasure. Good night 51...and goodnight all. Hope today is Haleigh Cummings day. MOO

[Squidward]

well i've been thinking about this.........What if DCF came out and cleared Ron and then he said something like hey what is the legal way to spank your child. if that's the case they will show him where to spank and how hard to spank. At least thats what heard they do here in Texas.

Good point, that is possible, I had not thought about that. I have limited experience with CPS here and I was the reporting party, the report was unfounded even with pictures and I had documented everything.

and no I was not angry at an ex or anything, it was about a family member, so I know that the system fails sometimes.

I hope the allegations are not true, but am glad whether they are or not it's being investigated.

[Kathlb]

I hate to even bring this awful thought up, but I wonder if the trailer is on a septic tank and if so, did LE have it pumped out?

[CANDYKISSES]

.... out of sight out of mind. Maybe they just want to move on and forget.

Unfortunately if the claims the Sheffields allege now are true, Crystal saved herself and did just that IMO. That is not the work of an abused woman IMO.

Children always come first, even if you have to sacrifice yourself IMO. :crying:

[CANDYKISSES]

It has crossed my mind that everyone was satisfied with the status quo. When Haleigh disappeared, I wonder if the Sheffield side saw the Cummings getting donations and maybe being paid for providing pictures to the media, and they decided they wanted to get in on it while the getting was good. JMO

I don't know what to think anymore, but I feel strongly KP made a plan, came to town to fleece the people and get her name out there and set herself up with a moving side show. THAT IS JMO.

I see no angst for Haleigh WHATSOEVER from KP and I keep waiting for her to forget her name when she's getting excited whether it's about her friend Cobra or someone else she is dragging down in this tragedy. JMO

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME! :wub: