April 6

[n/t]

I can't for the life of me understand this at all. An 8 year old does NOT runaway and no trace of her after 9 days. 10 days today.

Sheneman says police are still categorizing Cantu's disappearance as a missing persons case, as opposed to an abduction.
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_12079352

[n/t]

In the Cantu case, some prominent child advocates criticized the Tracy Police Department's early handling of the case, saying it waited too long to notify media and the public about the girl's disappearance March 27. When officials did issue a news release, police have acknowledged it failed to reach all local media outlets because the department's distribution list was out of date. :angry:

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1757504.html

[BJames]

I have been following this case, I didn't realize that we actually have a board for it.
I just really don't 'get it'....How can an eight year old girl just walk away without a trace for this long? I get a really bad feeling about this...no eight year old can 'run away' and not be noticed for all of this time..it's just too strange.
Was she out quite often wandering around alone and everyone was just used to seeing her...and thought nothing of it? Those homes are pretty close together...and no one else saw her?
I hope I'm wrong...but this situation is totally strange...I'm stuggling to find any type of 'good' explanation for this, I'll stay tuned.

Just my opinion of course..

[n/t]

I'm wondering if LE think she was taken to Mexico. Maybe by a family member? Would that explain why they're not considering this case as an abduction?

Even if she went willingly to someone's home and is being held captive, wouldn't that still be considered kidnapping? It's 10 days! :confused:

[aproudmom]

In the Cantu case, some prominent child advocates criticized the Tracy Police Department's early handling of the case, saying it waited too long to notify media and the public about the girl's disappearance March 27. When officials did issue a news release, police have acknowledged it failed to reach all local media outlets because the department's distribution list was out of date. :angry:

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1757504.html

Good morning all hoped to hear good news
I for one think a lot of bad things happened very early on for one a 8 yr old usually does not run away I look up to Mark K and he has pointed out very clearly what they did wrong and how crucial the first 3 hours are..and a missing child is not a way to learn what to do or what not to do. I for one think there need to be something in place of a Amber alert since they have certain things before they can have one such as in this case no car or tag or witness to seeing her with someone to allow all LE know a child is missing and any officer on the road should know just in case they happen to come across someone who looks like the child....as most of us know the LE pulled Polly Klass killer out of a ditch a hour an a half after she was taken they had no idea sent him on his way so no one will ever know if PK could have been saved..something has got to change that was 15yrs ago..all jmo

I know LE has been doing a good job now and the FBI it is just the first few hours are so important the stats are horrible most kids are dead within 3 hours of being kidnapped..sad but true..

[aproudmom]

I can't for the life of me understand this at all. An 8 year old does NOT runaway and no trace of her after 9 days. 10 days today.


http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_12079352

This is all I have to say to that:thumbdown::cursing:enough said it makes me angry to hear that she just turned 8yrs old what is she hanging out with a b/f somewhere and going to walk in the door at anytime..NO..

[RainyNiteNTx]

This is all I have to say to that:thumbdown::cursing:enough said it makes me angry to hear that she just turned 8yrs old what is she hanging out with a b/f somewhere and going to walk in the door at anytime..NO..

I'm with you on this! What does LE know that we don't? How could an 8 year old be simply classified as missing and not abducted? Off to work - when I get home, please let me read that you guys have good news!

[royals02]

I watched that surveillance video and it definetly looked like she was skipping home from across the street and that something caught her attention and before she went to whatever caught her attention she gave a quick glance towards her house.
Now.....where was she coming from? Whose house was she skipping away from?
And as for the guy's house that they removed stuff from over the weekend...apparently he and his wife said that Sandra used to come over to their house frequently. Who are these people and did her mother know she was frequenting their house?
For a little girl who just turned 8, it appears that she had way too much freedom to just wander around without supervision. I dont care how safe you think your neighborhood is or the fact that nothing bad has ever happened there. Did they have any idea that there were close to 80 SO living in close proximity to their home.
I only hope to God that she is brought home safely

[Cheri_G]

I'm wondering if LE think she was taken to Mexico. Maybe by a family member? Would that explain why they're not considering this case as an abduction?

Even if she went willingly to someone's home and is being held captive, wouldn't that still be considered kidnapping? It's 10 days! :confused:


Mornin' n/t,

I got the impression reading some of the articles this morning that LE is working all angles and possibilities. Maybe that's why they haven't given the case a more specific classification.

[GentleBreeze]

I can't for the life of me understand this at all. An 8 year old does NOT runaway and no trace of her after 9 days. 10 days today.


http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_12079352

I think in most cases like this LE drives most of us nuts by what label they give it. It seems not to make sense but then we do not know everything they do nor if this is a strategic move on their part.

Maybe they think "abduction" infers that she was taken away from the trailer park and really I don't think she was. And by the SWs done already in that park LE doesn't seem to think she left either imo.

Now would they call it an abduction if a person wouldn't let her leave from a house she may have gone to? Or would that be a form of kidnapping by holding someone against their will and possibly even worse.

I have just seen in other missing child cases police are very reluctant to change it from a "missing" child to something else. Is it to try and give the family hope until the police know for certain they have the evidence that shows otherwise?

Where I fault this police they should have immediately got out that Sandra was missing instead of delaying. If the person who had her, killed her, then they would shortly after then leave to remove her body to an undisclosed location out of the park imo.

I do not think this happy little girl ran away. Maybe she ran across someone she thought she could trust and they couldn't be trusted at all.

JMO

[Amy]

I'm wondering if LE think she was taken to Mexico. Maybe by a family member? Would that explain why they're not considering this case as an abduction?

Even if she went willingly to someone's home and is being held captive, wouldn't that still be considered kidnapping? It's 10 days! :confused:

Even if she was taken to Mexico by a family member, it would seem it was without the knowledge or consent of either parent, and it would be an abduction, plain and simple. Or, even if dad, the non-custodial parent, had taken her to Mexico, it still would have been an abduction. I agree that, if she went to someone's home and is not allowed to leave, that is abduction or kidnapping.

[Amy]

Good morning all hoped to hear good news
I for one think a lot of bad things happened very early on for one a 8 yr old usually does not run away I look up to Mark K and he has pointed out very clearly what they did wrong and how crucial the first 3 hours are..and a missing child is not a way to learn what to do or what not to do. I for one think there need to be something in place of a Amber alert since they have certain things before they can have one such as in this case no car or tag or witness to seeing her with someone to allow all LE know a child is missing and any officer on the road should know just in case they happen to come across someone who looks like the child....as most of us know the LE pulled Polly Klass killer out of a ditch a hour an a half after she was taken they had no idea sent him on his way so no one will ever know if PK could have been saved..something has got to change that was 15yrs ago..all jmo

I know LE has been doing a good job now and the FBI it is just the first few hours are so important the stats are horrible most kids are dead within 3 hours of being kidnapped..sad but true..

I tho't in recent years, the response of LE to ALL missing people, especially children was supposed to be immediate. Especially for an 8 y/o. Even if they (LE) think she ran away, an 8 y/o is not like a 16 y/o who might actually have a plan of WHERE to run away to, how to get there, etc. After a couple of hours an 8 y/o will be scared, wondering how to get back home, stopping into a convenience store and asking to use the phone, etc. Sandra didn't look like a "sophisticated, mature beyond her years" kind of kid. Even an 8 y/o who is going to run away would have stuffed a favorite toy and maybe a change of clothes into a back pack. Didn't LE conclude (from what I could read of previous posts) that Sandra didn't have a pack or a purse?

If they "can't" use the Amber alert because the case doesn't "meet the criteria" then perhaps they need to change the criteria? Or, call it something else, but sound the horn immediately!!!! Using the airwaves just like they do in an Amber Alert.

[darjeeling]

Good morning all.

I just saw on the news that the physical search for her has been suspended. Not sure what this means but I hope she is found soon.

[Track292003]

Good morning all.

I just saw on the news that the physical search for her has been suspended. Not sure what this means but I hope she is found soon.

Was that news on a local channel or a nationwide channel like HLN or Fox News?

TIA.

[paddy01]

Oakland Man Says Police Didn't Follow Cantu Lead
TRACY (CBS13) ―

An Oakland man wants answers from Tracy Police. He claims he gave them a tip about Sandra Cantu's whereabouts and they didn't follow up.

Johnny Williams says he called a tip into police Friday, but never got a response. He said he saw a man in a boat with a girl where the police had been searching. He says the man in the boat's behavior was erratic and suspicious.

"Everyone is hoping they may find this little girl," said Williams. "Someone out there may have the right tip and the police are not following up on it and that's bad."

http://cbs13.com/crime/tip.boat.sandra.2.977073.html

[darjeeling]

Was that news on a local channel or a nationwide channel like HLN or Fox News?

TIA.

It was on KRON. Here's a linky: http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/947/reftab/36/t/Police-End-Major-Ground-Search-for-Sandra-Cantu/Default.aspx

[Track292003]

It was on KRON. Here's a linky: http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/947/reftab/36/t/Police-End-Major-Ground-Search-for-Sandra-Cantu/Default.aspx

Thank you very much....I just watched it!

[nanieliz]

:sad:Sadly,we all know she's most likely dead. I think she was gone right after the video. Before her family even gave her a second thought. She was just a little girl,playing. It was dark before they raised an alarm and the pervert had plenty of time to hide,cover up and get rid of her. I hope there's a place in Hell for all child perverts!:mad:

I have a grandaughter turning 8 in June. She hasn't any street smarts. We live in a small town,and she's never been allowed in the yard without someone with her. She has 3 older brothers who have never been allowed to roam. No matter what is happening...it can wait while we watch our kids. If U have to be in the house for a reason then don't let your kid out. I know u can't protect them all the time but u can most of the time. Polly Klass,E.Smart are examples of trying your best and still it happens.

we as a world HAVE to be on the alert for the stupid parents that aren't! If U see a adult do something out of line forget being nice,forget being scared of pointing the finger. Be alarmed! Be the police!

I had way to much freedom as a child in the 60's. We live in a terrible world now.

Liz P...jmo

[threesnugbugs]

bugout-- any other details you heard?

[threesnugbugs]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19107764/detail.html

[threesnugbugs]

Police will hold a 3:30 p.m. media update about the case.

per news article in links.

[threesnugbugs]

This is a rarity.

[paddy01]

Saw your post, just sitting here holding my breath, I have a bad feeling about this...

[threesnugbugs]

Saw your post, just sitting here holding my breath, I have a bad feeling about this...

THanks, now I know I am not sitting here alone. ;0 Of course, the conference is 3:30 pacific time, so that's a bit of a wait.

[Dogmatic]

A sealed container has been found, it's being reported on MSNBC, farmers had found it. Dont know for certain that it's her.
:rose:


Oh no..................

Praying for little Sandra

[Tia]

A sealed container has been found, it's being reported on MSNBC, farmers had found it. Dont know for certain that it's her.
:rose:

Oh no :(

...

[Dogmatic]

OH Yeah!! Can't you tell just from watching that video?

I've watched that video over and over again and it's just as obvious as the nose on my face that all that happy skipping and swinging of her arms is simply a clever cover up to disguise the fact that she's actually a street savy child spy educated well beyond her years and has ample money and resources so that when she is gone abroad for weeks on end with no trace she is able to feed and care for herself.

Yes, this facade of a happy child living in a mobile home court is simply a ruse I tell you, a ploy to throw international agents off the trail of what is really going on in that park.

GOOD GAWD ARE THEY CRAZY???:cursing:

Absolutely nothing in her body language on that video indicates that this little, innocent 8 year old child was doing anything but being an innocent 8 year old child. She wasn't slinking around in the bushes, she wasn't leaning up against the porch smoking a cigarette, she wasn't burning out rubber with her bike.

I agree the labels that LE uses sometimes will just drive a person to distraction but I suppose that it all has to do with the legal end of things.

Still drives me nuts though.

I agree. Carefree, happy little girl.

[lune3]

Saw your post, just sitting here holding my breath, I have a bad feeling about this...

Same here. Just praying though that this container is completely unrelated.

[paddy01]

THanks, now I know I am not sitting here alone. ;0 Of course, the conference is 3:30 pacific time, so that's a bit of a wait.


OMG, 2 1/2 hours before we'll know, don't know if I can stand it. Think I'll go see what other news stations are saying, if I find anything new I'll post it.

[Dogmatic]

There must be something to this or LE wouldn't have even mentioned it let alone be getting ready to hold a press conference concerning it. You know they didn't wait to look inside.

This is sad, sad, sad.:sad:


Now, find the creep responsible for Sandra "running away".

[VC2]

Same here. Just praying though that this container is completely unrelated.

there has to be something, smell or perhaps blood on the outside that is making them not open in situ at least enough to get a clue if its got a body in it. I could see waiting for evidence techs but don't they normally at least check before they take it away and go to all this work for a container?

[lune3]

There must be something to this or LE wouldn't have even mentioned it let alone be getting ready to hold a press conference concerning it. You know they didn't wait to look inside.

This is sad, sad, sad.:sad:

Yeah, I know. They haven't had PCs as far as I know, so why today? Plus the three or so hour delay may mean they are speaking to the family. I hope I'm wrong, let's hope the PC is just an info session.

[n/t]

oh nooooo....please don't let it be Sandra. I want her to be alive. :crying:

[Dogmatic]

There should have been an amber alert issued for this child.

She was not a run away, imo

Poor Cantu family today.. :rose:

Amber alert can't be issued without a vehicle description or witness to the abduction. It seems horrible in a case like this, but an Amber Alert would be blasting off every 15 minutes and it would lose it's effectiveness.

Sad, but true

[darjeeling]

I remember seeing the notice about the press conference this morning around 8:30-ish Pacific time on the local news so it was scheduled from early on. However, I'm not sure whether at that point the container had already been discovered. I just hope the sealed container is a red herring. :crying:

[paddy01]

http://www.kcra.com/video/19108248/index.html

Video of Sgt. Sheneman talking about discovery of container.




Also HLN reporting and just showed black container.

[Dogmatic]

Well, if I found a container on my property, I would open it...........I wouldn't just report it...........so.............

[n/t]

TRACY, CA (KGO) -- Tracy police have announced they are bringing in an FBI evidence team to examine a suspicious container discovered in a drainage pond by farmers this morning at 10:03 a.m.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6747604

[lune3]

Well, if I found a container on my property, I would open it...........I wouldn't just report it...........so.............

I don't know Dogmatic, I wouldn't, not under the circumstances of a child missing in the area.
According to that news clip, residents were encouraged to report anything suspicious. That it's only 3 or so miles from the homes is kind of worrisome.

[paddy01]

Suspicious Container Found in Tracy Pond

TRACY, CA - Authorities are investigating the discovery of a container in an irrigation pond in Tracy.

Tracy police say the sealed container was found by workers cleaning a pond off Tracy Boulevard. Aerial images of the item show what appears to be a dark-colored suitcase or garment bag. The pond is surrounded by cropland.

Tracy police and the California Highway Patrol are on the scene. No other information about the size, color or condition of the container has been provided.

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=57394&catid=2


video of container and irrigation pond at link.

[~jomomma~]

She is carrrying a dark tote bag, square on her right shoulder, it's clear in the tape and is NOT a shadow as was reported. IT's clearly a tote bag or purse of some kind, WHY hasn't this mother reported what bag of hers was missing in this case? It's crucial. Yet she has not said ANYTHING about a bag/purse missing.

:read:

i think it looks like she is carrying something also.

praying this container doesn't hold Sandra :sad:

[Dogmatic]

I don't know Dogmatic, I wouldn't, not under the circumstances of a child missing in the area.
According to that news clip, residents were encouraged to report anything suspicious. That it's only 3 or so miles from the homes is kind of worrisome.

Only three miles away?!!! You are right. I wouldn't have opened it under those circumstances either.

[lune3]

I don't have a good feeling about this at all. Who would throw a suitcase in a drainage pond? It's right there by the edge, close to a road.
If this is indeed really awful news, it's serendipitous that this particular pond was drained.

[lune3]

Was the pond drained? Or is it just a flood control pond, and fills and empties during rain/draught? Is it a suitcase?

The article linked above a few posts says it appears to be a dark coloured suitcase or garment bag, there's a picture.
I don't know about the pond. They say farmers were doing routine irrigation work, and that this container evidently wasn't there before...don't know when the pond was last drained.

[Dogmatic]

I don't have a good feeling about this at all. Who would throw a suitcase in a drainage pond? It's right there by the edge, close to a road.
If this is indeed really awful news, it's serendipitous that this particular pond was drained.


I was originally picturing a small pond on a farm. The photos show a much different scenario and it is indeed very suspicious

[paddy01]

Was the pond drained? Or is it just a flood control pond, and fills and empties during rain/draught? Is it a suitcase?

Tracy police spkesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said the sealed container was found about 11:40 Monday morning by workers cleaning a pond off Tracy Boulevard and Bacchetti Road.

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=57394&catid=2

Looks like a garment bag to me...

[Dogmatic]

Tracy police spkesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman said the sealed container was found about 11:40 Monday morning by workers cleaning a pond off Tracy Boulevard and Bacchetti Road.

http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=57394&catid=2

Looks like a garment bag to me...

Me too. One of those fold-over ones

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_12083949

TRACY -- Tracy police are investigating the discovery of what's reported to be a suitcase with a red ribbon around it found at the bottom of a pond north of Tracy.
The pond, at the end of Buchetti Road, was being routinely drained.
Law enforcement is restricting northbound traffic on Tracy Boulevard at Sugar and Lammers roads.
A mobile command unit has been set up, but authorities will not confirm or deny that the discovery is related to the case of Sandra Cantu, the 8-year-old missing from her Tracy mobile home community since the evening of March 27.

[emdragon]

Don't like the fact that they secured the air space.

[lune3]

Don't like the fact that they secured the air space.

I know, I noticed. That ABC helicopter that was over there earlier is no longer there.

[Dogmatic]

Don't like the fact that they secured the air space.


Is that so photos can't be taken when they open the suit case?

[IlliniFan]

Does LE feel the man that kissed Sandra (creepy) is not involed? I'm trying to catch up...

I'll be waiting for the PC, too. I wonder if LE will know anything about the "container" at that time?

I pray they find this little girl alive, and the container has no bearing in the case....

[lune3]

With all the security, calling in FBI etc, I have an awful feeling that they have an indication of what may be in the suitcase, possibly through odor.

[Keegan]

Would they set up a command unit without the smell of death? Seems they wouldn't go through all the trouble unless the suitcase smell like a dead body inside.

[~jomomma~]

With all the security, calling in FBI etc, I have an awful feeling that they have an indication of what may be in the suitcase, possibly through odor.

....... :crying:

[~jomomma~]

HLN talking about it now

[emdragon]

Is that so photos can't be taken when they open the suit case?

That would be my thinking.

With the media at bay if anything is found they have time to get to the family before it is aired.

[Dogmatic]

With all the security, calling in FBI etc, I have an awful feeling that they have an indication of what may be in the suitcase, possibly through odor.


Just a guess here, but I'm thinking the FBI would be pretty ticked off if they set up and deployed an entire command center only to find out that someone dumped a suitcase full of big clothes they no longer need because they just finished the Slimfast Diet plan.

There has to be some pretty compelling reasons to call in the FBI

[lune3]

I have a feeling they may be canceling the PC that's scheduled in less than an hour.

[IlliniFan]

I have a feeling they may be canceling the PC that's scheduled in less than an hour.

The reporter talking w/Vinnie, talked like there had been a PC an hour to an hour and a half ago, I believe??

[lune3]

Video is back on but I think it's probably not live.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

Edited: it appears to be live.

[5boxersmom]

Checking in to see if there is any news. MSNBC was follwing it earlier.

So there is a presser later?

tia

[~jomomma~]

Video is back on but I think it's probably not live.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

Edited: it appears to be live.

thanks lune

this is just gut wrenching :crying:

[Squidward]

Checking in to see if there is any news. MSNBC was follwing it earlier.

So there is a presser later?

tia

they said they are going to have one at 3:30

[5boxersmom]

they said they are going to have one at 3:30

TY. Looks like alot of LE there. I don't think that is good.


Sandra:rose:

[CC I See]

TY. Looks like alot of LE there. I don't think that is good. Sandra:rose:

Even though it has yet to be opened, they must know by the odor or absence of it, by now.

[Riverwalk!]

TY. Looks like alot of LE there. I don't think that is good.


Sandra:rose:

IA. This doesn't seem to be just some random bag there. Prayers for Sandra and her family. :sad:

[lune3]

TY. Looks like alot of LE there. I don't think that is good.


Sandra:rose:

That's my feeling. If it was nothing, they'd leave I'd think. But looks like they are scouring the immediate area.

[Riverwalk!]

Placing evidence markers/flags. Ugh.

[lune3]

Oh geesh, they're putting down those little markers or flags.

[Squidward]

IA. This doesn't seem to be just some random bag there. Prayers for Sandra and her family. :sad:

This really doesn't look good. Looked like they were lining up to search.

Prayers for Sandra and family :sad:

[Riverwalk!]

Photographing tracks of some sort. Could be drag marks from the bag, tire tracks, footprints, etc.

[IlliniFan]

I can't tell if someone was taking photographs? Scarey...and so sad..

[5boxersmom]

IA. This doesn't seem to be just some random bag there. Prayers for Sandra and her family. :sad:

I get so tired of hearing this stuff about kids. Makes me so mad.

What are they doing with that truck?

[Squidward]

I get so tired of hearing this stuff about kids. Makes me so mad.

What are they doing with that truck?

looked like they were taking pics of something tire track maybe

[lune3]

This is so heart wrenching. I hope they gather enough evidence there to get the guy.

[cutiepatootie61]

Way too many vehicles there for it to be an unrelated bag in a pond. It seems they are photographing some things as well, I'm afraid this is not going to be a happy ending for this family. :sad:

[nanieliz]

Prayers for Sandra and family

[~jomomma~]

The container was found around 11:40 a.m. by farm workers in an irrigation pond located near Tracy Blvd. and Bacchetti Rd – a pond that searchers had already covered, said Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

The workers spotted the container while they were emptying the pond to irrigate a nearby field.

Investigators did not immediately indicate what was found in the container or whether it held any evidence in the girl's disappearance.


http://cbs5.com/local/missing.tracy.girl.2.977699.html

[~jomomma~]

oh gosh...who would that be in the scrubs? :sad:

[lune3]

Looks like they are leaving the suitcase there for now...I guess they need to leave for some sort of evidence, or figuring out how long it's been there?

[5boxersmom]

oh gosh...who would that be in the scrubs? :sad:

Probably the ME. :sad:

[lune3]

oh gosh...who would that be in the scrubs? :sad:

Oh no, medical examiner people? I'm surprised this is being filmed. This is awful.

[cutiepatootie61]

oh gosh...who would that be in the scrubs? :sad:

Oh man, I just saw that, this is awful..... poor baby, I hope there is plenty of evidence to put the sonofabitch who did this to her in the chair!

[SwFlorida]

HLN reporter saysthere will be a PC in 15 minutes..

[cutiepatootie61]

I hope her mother isn't viewing this footage right now as we are, I cannot even pretend to imagine what this must be like for her.

[5boxersmom]

I hope her mother isn't viewing this footage right now as we are, I cannot even pretend to imagine what this must be like for her.

I know. That poor woman.

[n/t]

After my posts this morning, I thought maybe LE didn't think she was abducted because she was hiding. I went back and thought about what Sandra apparently told her friend about running away. I started to have some hope that perhaps she was ok and was hiding but now hearing this news just breaks my heart. What a coincidence that they released that last video of her yesterday. We see her skipping just like an 8 year old little girl should be. She was brought to life for us. :crying:

Sandra :rose:

[5boxersmom]

What are they doing? Trying to figure out the best way to bring the bag out?

[5boxersmom]

does anyone have a link for the press conf. coming up?

:sad:

The live feed we are watching right now is ABC7 so they will probably have it. Hope this helps.

[cutiepatootie61]

What are they doing? Trying to figure out the best way to bring the bag out?

Not sure what the holdup is.... this bag was reportedly found 4 hrs ago, still it sits there? What are they waiting for?

[lune3]

The bag...I wonder how many people in that home park travel and would have suitcases. I'm thinking...that motel across the street. I hope the suitcase can offer some clues.

[Destini]

Who or what are they waiting on to retrieve it? I just pray her family is not watching this. This is really, really bad thinking that poor baby could be in there.

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12083966

A mobile command unit has been set up, but authorities will not confirm or deny that the discovery is related to the case of Sandra Cantu, the 8-year-old missing from her Tracy mobile home community since the evening of March 27.
A coroner's van arrived at about 3 p.m. at the scene near Bacchetti Road, about two miles north of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where Sandra was living when she disappeared after returning home from school.

[lune3]

Not sure what the holdup is.... this bag was reportedly found 4 hrs ago, still it sits there? What are they waiting for?

Maybe to investigate how long the bag's been there? Soil samples and such? Maybe they are waiting for specialists?

[n/t]

Not sure what the holdup is.... this bag was reportedly found 4 hrs ago, still it sits there? What are they waiting for?

I heard they were waiting for the FBI. HLN has Chris Brown arraignment on now....who cares! :cursing:

[cutiepatootie61]

:rose:http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12083966

A mobile command unit has been set up, but authorities will not confirm or deny that the discovery is related to the case of Sandra Cantu, the 8-year-old missing from her Tracy mobile home community since the evening of March 27.
A coroner's van arrived at about 3 p.m. at the scene near Bacchetti Road, about two miles north of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where Sandra was living when she disappeared after returning home from school.

:rose:

[lune3]

Who or what are they waiting on to retrieve it? I just pray her family is not watching this. This is really, really bad thinking that poor baby could be in there.

I assumed that they had removed her and they are leaving the bag for other investigative reasons, but maybe not if the coroner only just got there.

[5boxersmom]

http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12083966

A mobile command unit has been set up, but authorities will not confirm or deny that the discovery is related to the case of Sandra Cantu, the 8-year-old missing from her Tracy mobile home community since the evening of March 27.
A coroner's van arrived at about 3 p.m. at the scene near Bacchetti Road, about two miles north of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where Sandra was living when she disappeared after returning home from school.

Only 2 miles. :sad: Is the ME leaving?

[IlliniFan]

http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12083966

A mobile command unit has been set up, but authorities will not confirm or deny that the discovery is related to the case of Sandra Cantu, the 8-year-old missing from her Tracy mobile home community since the evening of March 27.
A coroner's van arrived at about 3 p.m. at the scene near Bacchetti Road, about two miles north of the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park where Sandra was living when she disappeared after returning home from school.

Is it routine to bring the coroner's van in this type of situation, the bag hasn't been opened?

Or will they transport the bag in the van? Gosh, I think think the bag looks small..I pray it isn't her...

[n/t]

Are you all watching a live feed? Anybody have a link? TIA

[cutiepatootie61]

Are you all watching a live feed? Anybody have a link? TIA


http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

[Riverwalk!]

Is it routine to bring the coroner's van in this type of situation, the bag hasn't been opened?

Or will they transport the bag in the van? Gosh, I think think the bag looks small..I pray it isn't her...

IMO the bag will be removed and taken to another place. Most likely to the Coroner's office.

[darjeeling]

For those that follow cases like this, all of this could be just precaution rather than an indication that she is in the suitcase?

[~jomomma~]

Is it routine to bring the coroner's van in this type of situation, the bag hasn't been opened?

Or will they transport the bag in the van? Gosh, I think think the bag looks small..I pray it isn't her...


i wouldn't think so unless they smell decomp :sad:

[GentleBreeze]

Only 2 miles. :sad: Is the ME leaving?

The ME seems to be walking around the pond.

I am afraid they have smelled that terrible smell of death they know all too familiar. To remain this long and be this cautious they know this is from a human body, I think.

I hope that they are wrong. I really hope they are and Sandra's little body isn't there.:crying:

imo

[5boxersmom]

The ME seems to be walking around the pond.

I am afraid they have smelled that terrible smell of death they know all too familiar. To remain this long and be this cautious they know this is from a human body, I think.

I hope that they are wrong. I really hope they are and Sandra's little body isn't there.:crying:

imo

Yes. I also don't think the ME comes out unless they are pretty certain it is a body. :sad:

[Destini]

fox has a link at the top of this page for the live pc


http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Sealed-Container-Suspicious-Could-Be-Lin=1&blockID=259757&feedID=2674

The press conference is going on, but I'm not getting any sound. Can someone let us know what he says?

[n/t]

IMO the bag will be removed and taken to another place. Most likely to the Coroner's office.


That's what they said on HLN before they broke to the Chris Brown arraignment.:sad:

[Kelly3820]

Yes. I also don't think the ME comes out unless they are pretty certain it is a body. :sad:



Sadly I agree. Plus there are so many LE standing and looking around that is just feels like this is it. Feel terrible inside. Sweet angel. Godspeed Sandra

[Dogmatic]

Yes. I also don't think the ME comes out unless they are pretty certain it is a body. :sad:


Well I would hope they aren't deploying that entire team just based on the smell of decomp.

I mean, it could be an animal.

I'm guessing they have a very solid reason to believe that the bag contains a human

[Pinetree]

What are they saying in the presser?

[n/t]

The container is still there. They haven't removed it yet. It will be taken today and removed today.

Area was searched this past weekend.

[GentleBreeze]

Yes. I also don't think the ME comes out unless they are pretty certain it is a body. :sad:

That is true. MEs do always come to the scene when LE find a body and then the body will be transported to the ME office.

It may be awhile before the bag is removed.

Didn't someone say they are waiting for the FBI to show up?

I still think if it is Sandra she never left that park alive but this is where the POS threw her away like garbage.

God give this mother strength to endure.

imo

[5boxersmom]

Looks like they put evidence flags on the other side of the pond. Maybe tire tracks?

[Texas48]

In the Cantu case, some prominent child advocates criticized the Tracy Police Department's early handling of the case, saying it waited too long to notify media and the public about the girl's disappearance March 27. When officials did issue a news release, police have acknowledged it failed to reach all local media outlets because the department's distribution list was out of date. :angry:

http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/1757504.htmlJumping in here late but on HLN a FBI agent could not understand why LE had not released the video of little Sandra skipping in front of the camera. He said it was as helpful as the still photo they released. She was so full of fun that afternoon..I wounder what she was thinking as she went skipping away? When will this all stop for our children?

[n/t]

That is true. MEs do always come to the scene when LE find a body and then the body will be transported to the ME office.

It may be awhile before the bag is removed.

Didn't someone say they are waiting for the FBI to show up?

I still think if it is Sandra she never left that park alive but this is where the POS threw her away like garbage.

God give this mother strength to endure.

imo

The FBI is there now....he just said there are no indications that there are human remains in the bag.

[emdragon]

Doesn't make sense that they would take all day, set up a command center, bring out the ME and no have a good reason.

If it is her I lean toward someone from the motel- who would have a suitcase handy.

[5boxersmom]

That is true. MEs do always come to the scene when LE find a body and then the body will be transported to the ME office.

It may be awhile before the bag is removed.

Didn't someone say they are waiting for the FBI to show up?

I still think if it is Sandra she never left that park alive but this is where the POS threw her away like garbage.

God give this mother strength to endure.

imo


LE might know that bags matches up to others in one of the homes they served the search warrants on also.

imo

[darjeeling]

The container/bag is "significant" in size per reporter.

[GentleBreeze]

Well I would hope they aren't deploying that entire team just based on the smell of decomp.

I mean, it could be an animal.

I'm guessing they have a very solid reason to believe that the bag contains a human

Human decomp has its own smell. A smell that many officers know all too well.

Also we cant see all of the bag, they may can see something since they are much closer up.... that we cant.

imo

[cutiepatootie61]

Doesn't make sense that they would take all day, set up a command center, bring out the ME and no have a good reason.

If it is her I lean toward someone from the motel- who would have a suitcase handy.

No, it doesn't make sense does it? To say all this orchestration is precautionary, I just find that hard to believe. If it in fact is all precautionary, the LE down there in FLA searching for Haleight might wanna take notes. They willy nilly ripped through that garbage dumpster in view of the cameras without the ME and FBI there a few weeks ago. Two totally differnt methods of handling such a delicate fragile case.

[Kelly3820]

Plus someone said I think it was on FOX that they had a plane or helicopter with equipement that LE could use and tell what might be in the bag. Some type of imagery or something. The FBI uses it.

[IlliniFan]

Just seems like an odd place to find a suitcase/garmet bag? imo

[n/t]

Human decomp has its own smell. A smell that many officers know all too well.

Also we cant see all of the bag, they may can see something since they are much closer up.... that we cant.

imo

Maybe they're just taking precautions but I agree that they must have something significant to get the coroner, FBI, involved.:sad:

[lune3]

Doesn't make sense that they would take all day, set up a command center, bring out the ME and no have a good reason.

If it is her I lean toward someone from the motel- who would have a suitcase handy.

I agree. And scouring the area, placing all those evidence markers. At some point earlier this afternoon the video was interrupted for a while. We thought media had been prohibited from filming. I think it's possible that during that time they opened the bag or at least confirmed things.

I had the same thought about a motel patron, across the street from the homes.

[Destini]

This really isn't making sense. Why wouldn't they just open the bag up & see what's in it. And so now they (who?) are saying there's no indication of human remains? And why was the coroner there if they hadn't even opened the bag??

Ugh. Sorry.

[Kelly3820]

Sadly it seems like LE have started making a case so Sandra will get justice.

[GentleBreeze]

LE might know that bags matches up to others in one of the homes they served the search warrants on also.

imo

I was just thinking about that. This may turn out to be a vital piece of evidence. They may also be able to retrieve further forensics off of the bag or the contents inside of the bag.

Like I said, I hope and pray it isn't Sandra but if it is, then I hope LE uncovers the evidence they need to make sure this monster pays with his life for what he has done.

imoo

[lune3]

This really isn't making sense. Why wouldn't they just open the bag up & see what's in it. And so now they (who?) are saying there's no indication of human remains? And why was the coroner there if they hadn't even opened the bag??

Ugh. Sorry.

I think they might have opened the bag when there was a media blackout. Helicopter was there earlier, then stopped filming for an hour or so.

[~jomomma~]

do you guys still have live feed? mine froze

[Kelly3820]

I think they might have opened the bag when there was a media blackout. Helicopter was there earlier, then stopped filming for an hour or so.



I think that LE got some type of pictures or imagery from the FBI plane that flew over. Someone on one of the shows said it was new FBI tool that they have that takes pictures and can send them to the FBI and they can look at them and make out what it is in the imagery.

[GentleBreeze]

This really isn't making sense. Why wouldn't they just open the bag up & see what's in it. And so now they (who?) are saying there's no indication of human remains? And why was the coroner there if they hadn't even opened the bag??

Ugh. Sorry.

I would think they would not want to risk any evidence being lost if they disrupt the bag.

I would have thought the ME would have been on stand by there in case they did decide to open the bag and it would be up to him to determine and declare if the remains are human.

I also don't think they are going to open that bag with the media helicopter hovering overheard.



imo

[cutiepatootie61]

I think they might have opened the bag when there was a media blackout. Helicopter was there earlier, then stopped filming for an hour or so.


maybe the farmer that found the bag began to open it and discovered something that he relayed to LE?

[5boxersmom]

My live feed seems to be froze. Anyone else?

[lune3]

do you guys still have live feed? mine froze

Yes mine too. I suspect they've been prohibited from filming again while ME may be investigating the bag. Or the helicopter needs gas.

[Destini]

My live feed seems to be froze. Anyone else?

Mine's frozen, too.

Does anyone know what happened to the press conference?

[Texas48]

Yes. I also don't think the ME comes out unless they are pretty certain it is a body. :sad:
Saddly this is true..Oh Dear Me..

[5boxersmom]

This seems to have been updated a few minutes ago.

Sheneman told ABC7 News no one has opened the container. A FBI evidence team arrived at the scene around 1:45 p.m. It could be several hours before the container is opened; the evidence team first wants to document and preserve the scene around it, in case it is related to Cantu's disappearance. At this point, he said, investigators do not know whether the container is related to the search for the missing girl. Sheneman did say it was found in an area that had been recently searched, except at that time the drainage pond was full of water.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6747604

[IlliniFan]

I cannot imagine being the parent at this point, know this is going on.... God bless them..

[Texas48]

That is true. MEs do always come to the scene when LE find a body and then the body will be transported to the ME office.

It may be awhile before the bag is removed.

Didn't someone say they are waiting for the FBI to show up?

I still think if it is Sandra she never left that park alive but this is where the POS threw her away like garbage.

God give this mother strength to endure.

imoI agree breeze and I believe we should all stand together and pray for this child..her mother..
her father and family.

[bama__angel]

I cannot imagine being the parent at this point, know this is going on.... God bless them..


I cant even wrap my head around the thoughts of having to wait and see if this is your baby girl....your baby girl who has been thrown away like a piece of trash in water.....I pray that God gives both parents strength and grace to endure this.....and I pray for Sandra....

[royals02]

Is there a live feed anywhere??

[Texas48]

No, it doesn't make sense does it? To say all this orchestration is precautionary, I just find that hard to believe. If it in fact is all precautionary, the LE down there in FLA searching for Haleight might wanna take notes. They willy nilly ripped through that garbage dumpster in view of the cameras without the ME and FBI there a few weeks ago. Two totally differnt methods of handling such a delicate fragile case.as far as I am concerned you are so correct cutie about the difference in two cases of missing children and different approaches by the LE Dept.in CA. and in Fl.

[5boxersmom]

I agree breeze and I believe we should all stand together and pray for this child..her mother..
her father and family.

Yes. Is there a candle site for Sandra?

[Texas48]

This really isn't making sense. Why wouldn't they just open the bag up & see what's in it. And so now they (who?) are saying there's no indication of human remains? And why was the coroner there if they hadn't even opened the bag??

Ugh. Sorry.No need to be sorry Destini..I think maybe..just maybe they are reporting theres no indication of human remains to the public for the parents sake at this time...untill they are 100% certain that it is Sandra inside.

[Pinetree]

It's possible that they know the container contains human remains....just not positive yet that it's Sandra.

[5boxersmom]

sadly ktla.com is reporting that it is a suitcase wrapped with a red ribbon. I can't really even stand to think that or write it but it's on their site. The ME is there, in scrubs, they must be able to smell human decomp.
:rose:

http://www.ktla.com/landing_news/?Police-Release-Surveillance-Video-in-Sea=1&blockID=252627&feedID=171

And then she was on her way to another friend's house," said Lisa Encarnacion, the spokeswoman for Sandra's family.

"And we don't know, we can't confirm that she was there or she was not."
Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.



Are they saying they can not confirm if she was at her 2nd friends house? I did not know that.

[threesnugbugs]

I also keep thinking of her skipping and enjoying life right before....

[Kelly3820]

I remember in Carlie's case that a FBI profiler read her body language as she was walking right up to when she was grabbed. Does anyone know if Sandra's body langugae was being read? Seems like she was skipping and then stopped and her hands or hand goes to her face and she walks.

[lune3]

If indeed this is little Sandra, I hope that the evidence ...suitcase, ribbon, tire tracks, shoe prints, and whatever else, very quickly leads to the inhuman savage that did this. I am heartsick over these cases of innocent children being victimized by these creeps. It just doesn't end.

[5boxersmom]

No one was home at the friend's house at the time she went over there, so they don't know for sure if she ever arrived there or not.

TY. I missed that somehow.

[lune3]

On now:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

[doctor_J]

I agree breeze and I believe we should all stand together and pray for this child..her mother..
her father and family.

This is the only thing we can do Texas48, and it's a wonderful idea. Praying for this poor family and keeping the story alive has got to be a positive thing. I hope so. Sometimes a feel like a voyeur when I keep up with one of these cases but it does break my heart. That skipping video really humanized Sandra, and knowing something horrible was about to happen to her is so unimaginable. What creates this kind of evil in a man?

[Track292003]

http://www.ktla.com/landing_news/?Police-Release-Surveillance-Video-in-Sea=1&blockID=252627&feedID=171

And then she was on her way to another friend's house," said Lisa Encarnacion, the spokeswoman for Sandra's family.

"And we don't know, we can't confirm that she was there or she was not."
Her mother reported her missing about 8:00 that night.

Are they saying they can not confirm if she was at her 2nd friends house? I did not know that.

That seems to be what happened....No one can confirm that she ever reached the 2nd friend's house. I have a hunch that the video was taken when little Sandra was on her way back to her own home after being at the first friend's house, and then got "sidetracked" somehow and did not go into her own house.

[n/t]

sadly ktla.com is reporting that it is a suitcase wrapped with a red ribbon. I can't really even stand to think that or write it but it's on their site. The ME is there, in scrubs, they must be able to smell human decomp.
:rose:

If true, that's very disturbing to me. I got chills down my spine. I got the same feeling when I heard of Caylee's remains being found with a heart sticker on the duct tape. Not saying this is a family member but would a stranger take the time to wrap a red ribbon around the suticase? Or is this a message to one of the family members? A gift package? Revenge? I pray it's not Sandra.

[5boxersmom]

If true, that's very disturbing to me. I got chills down my spine. I got the same feeling when I heard of Caylee's remains being found with a heart sticker on the duct tape. Not saying this is a family member but would a stranger take the time to wrap a red ribbon around the suticase? Or is this a message to one of the family members? A gift package? Revenge? I pray it's not Sandra.

I know some people tie ribbons or such around their luggage so they can identify them when they come off the plane at the airport.

imo

[n/t]

That seems to be what happened....No one can confirm that she ever reached the 2nd friend's house. I have a hunch that the video was taken when little Sandra was on her way back to her own home after being at the first friend's house, and then got "sidetracked" somehow and did not go into her own house.

Hard to believe that something like this could happen in broad daylight. Our children aren't even safe in their own street. :sad:

[~jomomma~]

On now:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

they reported (and showed) that sandra's father was at the scene today :sad:

[kitty1182]

Praying for this family......:rose:

[kitty1182]

they reported (and showed) that sandra's father was at the scene today :sad:

:sad:.............


I have a feeling this could be her:sad:

I hope I am wrong!

[StickyBeak]

I can hardly stand this anymore.

My prayers with the Family. I don't know how they can endure this on TV.

I want a miracle

[n/t]

I know some people tie ribbons or such around their luggage so they can identify them when they come off the plane at the airport.

imo

True. Maybe the ribbon was already there.

[5boxersmom]

Hard to believe that something like this could happen in broad daylight. Our children aren't even safe in their own street. :sad:

I know. It makes me soooo mad. She had every right to walk to her friends house and be safe. The pervs think it is there right to do what ever they want with little kids. Makes me sick.

imo

[CC I See]

I know some people tie ribbons or such around their luggage so they can identify them when they come off the plane at the airport.

imo

There was a motel right next door and I am wondering if Sandra went there to use the vending machines. Most motels have really good vending snack machines that would draw any child there if they were allowed to do so.

Luggage or suitcases may be the clue. No one would give a person a second look to see them load it into a car or van from their motel room.

[lune3]

If true, that's very disturbing to me. I got chills down my spine. I got the same feeling when I heard of Caylee's remains being found with a heart sticker on the duct tape. Not saying this is a family member but would a stranger take the time to wrap a red ribbon around the suticase? Or is this a message to one of the family members? A gift package? Revenge? I pray it's not Sandra.

I had the same chill. I don't understand the red ribbon, if that report is accurate ( to me it wasn't visible in the feed, even fairly close up). It would have to be a long ribbon to go around a suitcase. Who has red ribbon lying around, and why take the time?
My only hope is that it is a pet, but then why not bury it?

[5boxersmom]

Praying for this family......:rose:

I am too kitty. Praying very hard.

[Adalena935]

I can hardly stand this anymore.

My prayers with the Family. I don't know how they can endure this on TV.

I want a miracle

Me too StickyBeak. I prayed for her Mother. How agonizing. I want a miracle for this little one so badly.

[k_can004]

Oh dear!!! I just came over here .... when was this discovery made? tia

[~jomomma~]

makes me sick too and just ticks me off :angry:

[lune3]

There was a motel right next door and I am wondering if Sandra went there to use the vending machines. Most motels have really good vending snack machines that would draw any child there if they were allowed to do so.

Luggage or suitcases may be the clue. No one would give a person a second look to see them load it into a car or van from their hotel room.

You know I keep thinking about the motel. Remember the surveillance video, with a figure behind a car's trunk? Could be anyone, it's a motel after all, but it's kind of thought provoking.

I hope LE is will question the cleaning staff about possible recollections of luggage type.

[Adalena935]

Is there a live feed anywhere??

That's what I'm wondering too. I googled for live feed but didn't find anything. Text news in the links thread says law enforcement held a press conference a few hours ago regarding the container that was found. I wanted to watch the pressor.

[defender123]

I may be way off base here, but why would the ME be there if this may only be a suitcase full of discarded clothes?

IMHO, the ME being on-scene means securing human remains for transport to their facility.
:crying:

I think you are 100% correct

[n/t]

There was a motel right next door and I am wondering if Sandra went there to use the vending machines. Most motels have really good vending snack machines that would draw any child there if they were allowed to do so.

Luggage or suitcases may be the clue. No one would give a person a second look to see them load it into a car or van from their hotel room.

Could be and maybe they knew LE was checking cars in and out so they had no choice but to dump the suitcase?

Didn't the motel have a video cam? I thought someone posted it the other day. lune, was it you?

[GentleBreeze]

This is the only thing we can do Texas48, and it's a wonderful idea. Praying for this poor family and keeping the story alive has got to be a positive thing. I hope so. Sometimes a feel like a voyeur when I keep up with one of these cases but it does break my heart. That skipping video really humanized Sandra, and knowing something horrible was about to happen to her is so unimaginable. What creates this kind of evil in a man?

I don't think I will ever forget that image of Sandra, so happy and skipping along only to abruptly stop........ just like I can still see the video of Carlie Burcia in my mind. Both are haunting.

I hope that it is just a discarded suitcase with nothing of value inside but by the way LE is treating it, I am afraid of what they may have found.

imo

[Adalena935]

You know I keep thinking about the motel. Remember the surveillance video, with a figure behind a car's trunk? Could be anyone, it's a motel after all, but it's kind of thought provoking.

I hope LE is will question the cleaning staff about possible recollections of luggage type.

It is thought provoking. Especially since the motel is across the street from the mobile home park where she lived. I can't imagine anyone hurting a child. It's so shocking that it's so prevalent.

[5boxersmom]

There was a motel right next door and I am wondering if Sandra went there to use the vending machines. Most motels have really good vending snack machines that would draw any child there if they were allowed to do so.

Luggage or suitcases may be the clue. No one would give a person a second look to see them load it into a car or van from their motel room.

That could be. Wonder if her and her friends would go there and use the vending machines?

[GentleBreeze]

they reported (and showed) that sandra's father was at the scene today :sad:

:rose::crying:

[Adalena935]

I don't think I will ever forget that image of Sandra, so happy and skipping along only to abruptly stop........ just like I can still see the video of Carlie Burcia in my mind. Both are haunting.

I hope that it is just a discarded suitcase with nothing of value inside but by the way LE is treating it, I am afraid of what they may have found. imo

The video of Carlie Brucia's abduction was an eye opener for many I'm sure and so shocking. Before that I recall people wondering how a child could be taken without a scream.

[~jomomma~]

i think it was said today that that container was not at this location 2 weeks ago? was that when they filled that area?

i only saw a quick clip of the motel video. was it a kind of motel that people live in? or do you guys think someone would keep her alive for a while?

makes me sick to even type this stuff

[FrankieBones1]

It's possible that they know the container contains human remains....just not positive yet that it's Sandra.

That is my feeling, too. The farmer was probably close enough to notice the smell of decomp and notified the police.

[Adalena935]

fox has a link at the top of this page for the live pc


http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Sealed-Container-Suspicious-Could-Be-Lin=1&blockID=259757&feedID=2674

Oh thank you C-E. Much appreciated!

[lune3]

Earlier press conference...see right hand video link.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

[aproudmom]

ok just jumped on heard on NG they found a sealed container???guess I will try to find a link on here..

[GentleBreeze]

There was a motel right next door and I am wondering if Sandra went there to use the vending machines. Most motels have really good vending snack machines that would draw any child there if they were allowed to do so.

Luggage or suitcases may be the clue. No one would give a person a second look to see them load it into a car or van from their motel room.

Wow, CC, you are right, they wouldn't.

I hope they can piece this all together and I would check out the motel across the street. Has there been released surveillance footage from the motel or around it?

imo

[~jomomma~]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565 said they'll have update at 6:00. what time is it now there? 5:30?

[ttcRider]

i think it was said today that that container was not at this location 2 weeks ago? was that when they filled that area?

i only saw a quick clip of the motel video. was it a kind of motel that people live in? or do you guys think someone would keep her alive for a while?

makes me sick to even type this stuff

I was just about to ask the same, was this a long term type motel..
Is the location of the container somewhere that only a local person would know about then someone who lives at the motel may know about it not someone who is just passing through town..?

[aproudmom]

That is my feeling, too. The farmer was probably close enough to notice the smell of decomp and notified the police.

O god no laid down to take a nap and turned TV on to this...does not sound good..:crying:

[kOOkie1]

ok just jumped on heard on NG they found a sealed container???guess I will try to find a link on here..

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565
try this-

[n/t]

i think it was said today that that container was not at this location 2 weeks ago? was that when they filled that area?

i only saw a quick clip of the motel video. was it a kind of motel that people live in? or do you guys think someone would keep her alive for a while?

makes me sick to even type this stuff

Right. It wasn't there when they filled the pond and LE searched the area this past weekend and nothing was noticed. It was found today when they emptied the pond. <sorry if I'm not using the correct term>.

I don't know much about the motel except that it was close by. FYI....Sandra's aunt said Sandra's father hasn't seen her in 6 years.

[n/t]

O god no laid down to take a nap and turned TV on to this...does not sound good..:crying:

:crying:....

[GentleBreeze]

The video of Carlie Brucia's abduction was an eye opener for many I'm sure and so shocking. Before that I recall people wondering how a child could be taken without a scream.

The shows that Oprah has done over the years on this...... just shows children are trusting of adults even when they have been told to be wary of strangers.

However, in this case I am not sure yet if the person who took Sandra was a complete stranger to her but someone she may have known within the trailer park.

But with the motel sitting right across the street who knows where this predator came from.

imo

[n/t]

lune, was it you who posted the video at the motel? I can't recall if it was posted here or some other site. Argh!

[aproudmom]

I was just about to ask the same, was this a long term type motel..
Is the location of the container somewhere that only a local person would know about then someone who lives at the motel may know about it not someone who is just passing through town..?

no it was a nice hotel if you ask me close to a hwy which is usually travelers..

[~jomomma~]

Right. It wasn't there when they filled the pond and LE searched the area this past weekend and nothing was noticed. It was found today when they emptied the pond. <sorry if I'm not using the correct term>.

I don't know much about the motel except that it was close by. FYI....Sandra's aunt said Sandra's father hasn't seen her in 6 years.

6 yrs?? yikes, i hadn't heard that! i heard a year in the beginning.
wow...

thanks n/t

[GentleBreeze]

Right. It wasn't there when they filled the pond and LE searched the area this past weekend and nothing was noticed. It was found today when they emptied the pond. <sorry if I'm not using the correct term>.

I don't know much about the motel except that it was close by. FYI....Sandra's aunt said Sandra's father hasn't seen her in 6 years.

I thought it had been about a year since he had seen her but I could have read it wrong.

Right but LE said they did not check the water areas of the pond. I guess they checked around the pond to see if any recent activity had occurred.

Has it rained in that area since she went missing?

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

6 yrs?? yikes, i hadn't heard that! i heard a year in the beginning.
wow...

thanks n/t

That is what I heard also.

imo

[lune3]

lune, was it you who posted the video at the motel? I can't recall if it was posted here or some other site. Argh!

n/t, No it wasn't me. I'm looking for it in the links. I remember seeing it here, with a snippet of an individual near the trunk of a car (though that can be anyone ofcourse)

Am looking in here: http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra
There are several videos, ....including today's press conference.

Also in the links there's a mapquest satellite pic of the Orchard homes area, with what looks like a motel right across the street from the entrance to the mobile home park.

[aproudmom]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565
try this-

Thanks kOOkie so this is live?
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

[StickyBeak]

It's been many moons ago since I was 13, but I was visiting in florida and the motel up the street used to let us swim for free and they also had vending machines, snacks and soda. It felt like we were in the city with a pocket of spending money and just grown up hanging out.
Our parents knew we went there but this is bad, as young girls, we did encounter a disturbing situation we never told about because they would never let us back again. Truthfully, I can see Sanda skipping over to perhaps see if anyone was around rather than going home. If she did not have enough money for movies or was it the church, she may have wandered around looking for friends. My heart breaks to think another quarter may have changed a situation.

[n/t]

6 yrs?? yikes, i hadn't heard that! i heard a year in the beginning.
wow...

thanks n/t

He said a year but family said otherwise.

[bama__angel]

That is what I heard also.

imo



Is anyone watching the live feed?

[Adalena935]

i think it was said today that that container was not at this location 2 weeks ago? was that when they filled that area?

i only saw a quick clip of the motel video. was it a kind of motel that people live in? or do you guys think someone would keep her alive for a while?

makes me sick to even type this stuff

This says it was searched 2X's previously and believed the container was not in the pond when it was drained 2 weeks ago.

I don't know what type of motel it is. It's so sickening to think of anyone harming any child. Couey kept poor Jessica Lunsford alive so who knows. Pray this isn't Sandra. Her poor Mother and family.

http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12083966

[n/t]

n/t, No it wasn't me. I'm looking for it in the links. I remember seeing it here, with a snippet of an individual near the trunk of a car (though that can be anyone ofcourse)

Am looking in here: http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra
There are several videos, ....including today's press conference.

Also in the links there's a mapquest satellite pic of the Orchard homes area, with what looks like a motel right across the street from the entrance to the mobile home park.

ok thanks lune! I thought it might have been you.

[aproudmom]

IIRC the ME would also have to pronounce the person (if one is in bag) dead before remains could be moved.

Anyone in the medical field here that could answer or correct me? TIA

IIRC They can not move a body without someone from the ME's office coming to the site pictures notes and all kinds of stuff have to be done before it is allowed to be moved.

[n/t]

It's been many moons ago since I was 13, but I was visiting in florida and the motel up the street used to let us swim for free and they also had vending machines, snacks and soda. It felt like we were in the city with a pocket of spending money and just grown up hanging out.
Our parents knew we went there but this is bad, as young girls, we did encounter a disturbing situation we never told about because they would never let us back again. Truthfully, I can see Sanda skipping over to perhaps see if anyone was around rather than going home. If she did not have enough money for movies or was it the church, she may have wandered around looking for friends. My heart breaks to think another quarter may have changed a situation.


She got money for her birthday. We see her holding up the money in one of the photos. If she was carrying a purse or bag in that video, she may have had money on her. I don't know but very possible.:sad:

[Adalena935]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/live

Live streaming & video schedule.

[GentleBreeze]

Is anyone watching the live feed?

Im trying to but it froze up and then went black.

I couldn't see very well but in the frame that was frozen it looked like they had the bag up on the dirt now.

But I could be mistaken but I thought I could see them squatting over something looking at it.

imo

[aproudmom]

This says it was searched 2X's previously and believed the container was not in the pond when it was drained 2 weeks ago.

I don't know what type of motel it is. It's so sickening to think of anyone harming any child. Couey kept poor Jessica Lunsford alive so who knows. Pray this isn't Sandra. Her poor Mother and family.

http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12083966

yeah and she JL was alive when they came to the door all of them should have been arrested..If this is her she has been held somewhere and I have no doubt it is someone that knew of her such as someone who lives close to her most bodies are dumped within 3 miles and if this has been searched could it have been someone who knew it had been searched and felt it would not be located because they searched the area..I just pray it is not her..:sad:

[~jomomma~]

IIRC They can not move a body without someone from the ME's office coming to the site pictures notes and all kinds of stuff have to be done before it is allowed to be moved.


i think i saw him carrying a camera when they were streaming it earlier.

[ttcRider]

Is anyone watching the live feed?

I was watching but then it closed and its just a black screen. You?

[n/t]

FWIW...dad has a criminal past....

While the girl's father, Daniel Cantu, is not a suspect in the case, details have emerged about his criminal past.

A search of court records in San Joaquin County Superior Court showed five criminal cases involving Daniel Cantu dating between 2001 and 2005. Charges included possession of a controlled substance; resisting, obstructing or delaying a peace officer; possession of a controlled substance for sale; and possession of a hypodermic needle or syringe.


Records also show the court assigned Cantu to drug court at one point, but he was dropped from the program.

According to the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, Cantu was sentenced to two years in prison for possession of a controlled substance for sale. He served 13 months between September 2005 and October 2006.

KCRA 3 tried to talk to Cantu about his criminal history, but he became upset and declined to answer questions.

Cantu, who lives in Mexico, was interviewed Thursday by police in Tracy. He said he took a polygraph test. Cantu was also interviewed Wednesday by police.


http://www.kcra.com/news/19110332/detail.html

[bama__angel]

Im trying to but it froze up and then went black.

I couldn't see very well but in the frame that was frozen it looked like they had the bag up on the dirt now.

But I could be mistaken but I thought I could see them squatting over something looking at it.

imo

My feed went black also.......appeared to be a bag........LE knows if there is a body inside that bag now with their equipment....

[5boxersmom]

I was watching but then it closed and its just a black screen. You?

Yeah that is what I got.

[aproudmom]

Im trying to but it froze up and then went black.

I couldn't see very well but in the frame that was frozen it looked like they had the bag up on the dirt now.

But I could be mistaken but I thought I could see them squatting over something looking at it.

imo

it went off GB they were leaning over in a ditch and a big black bag or something then it went off the bag was not in the ditch when I saw it last a women was talking pics and alot of people in white evidence suits..whatever you call them...

[bama__angel]

it went off GB they were leaning over in a ditch and a big black bag or something then it went off the bag was not in the ditch when I saw it last a women was talking pics and alot of people in white evidence suits..whatever you call them...



Did anyone else see th white van that the news crew followed for several miles as the white van left the scene?

[IlliniFan]

Did anyone else see th white van that the news crew followed for several miles as the white van left the scene?


I saw that video...

[bama__angel]

I saw that video...


Did you see any lettering or writing on the van? I only saw the van after it was moving....... Thank you for answering me.....

[aproudmom]

Yeah that is what I got.

they (the media helicopters) were ask not to be flying within a certain distance I was kinda shocked they were that close

[IlliniFan]

Did you see any lettering or writing on the van? I only saw the van after it was moving....... Thank you for answering me.....


That's what I saw. The van was on the road moving. Sorry, I didn't see any writing on it..

[lune3]

Did you see any lettering or writing on the van? I only saw the van after it was moving....... Thank you for answering me.....

That white van was there in the afternoon. There wasn't any lettering on it.

[aproudmom]

Did anyone else see th white van that the news crew followed for several miles as the white van left the scene?

yes I did could not see any writing on it was hoping it was just one of the CSI vans:sad:did see a guy with what looked to be scrubs on and a white jacket...does not mean it is the ME just saying what I saw..

[GentleBreeze]

FWIW...dad has a criminal past....

While the girl's father, Daniel Cantu, is not a suspect in the case, details have emerged about his criminal past.

A search of court records in San Joaquin County Superior Court showed five criminal cases involving Daniel Cantu dating between 2001 and 2005. Charges included possession of a controlled substance; resisting, obstructing or delaying a peace officer; possession of a controlled substance for sale; and possession of a hypodermic needle or syringe.


Records also show the court assigned Cantu to drug court at one point, but he was dropped from the program.

According to the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, Cantu was sentenced to two years in prison for possession of a controlled substance for sale. He served 13 months between September 2005 and October 2006.

KCRA 3 tried to talk to Cantu about his criminal history, but he became upset and declined to answer questions.

Cantu, who lives in Mexico, was interviewed Thursday by police in Tracy. He said he took a polygraph test. Cantu was also interviewed Wednesday by police.


http://www.kcra.com/news/19110332/detail.html

I know this always surfaces in cases like this but I really think somehow it just doesn't belong in it if he was never a suspect. It shows he was willing to take a polygraph, so he did the right thing. Imo, he had absolutely nothing to do with this.

Somehow it just makes me feel even sorrier for Sandra. This was her dad, as blemished as he is and I am sure she loved him.

Since he has no record since 2006 maybe he has seen the error of his ways.

He is there now and to me that shows he loves Sandra and he too is a victim and needs support and prayers for what he may have to endure and face. Both parents have to be in great pain, worry and grief.

imo

[lune3]

on now:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

oh geesh, just ended

[darjeeling]

I thought it had been about a year since he had seen her but I could have read it wrong.

Right but LE said they did not check the water areas of the pond. I guess they checked around the pond to see if any recent activity had occurred.

Has it rained in that area since she went missing?

imoo

No, it hasn't rained since then...I live about an hour away.

[Taybug]

It took four people to carry that bag? That makes my heart hurt. :crying: Granted, we don't know what's in it yet but .. it just didn't give me a good feeling.

MOO

[~jomomma~]

on now:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=6747565

oh geesh, just ended

not much of update? i missed it.
i also missed any video of the van leaving!

[Adalena935]

yeah and she JL was alive when they came to the door all of them should have been arrested..If this is her she has been held somewhere and I have no doubt it is someone that knew of her such as someone who lives close to her most bodies are dumped within 3 miles and if this has been searched could it have been someone who knew it had been searched and felt it would not be located because they searched the area..I just pray it is not her..:sad:

I so agree with you that those horrid people that lied to protect Couey should have been arrested as accomplices. This Sandra Cantu case reminds me of a case many yrs ago of a little girl that vanished and the case not solved for more than 20 years. The killer's sister lied to cover for him. Geraldo said this behavior is common. She too should be punished for her part in obstructing justice for the poor little child.

I pray this is not Sandra Cantu also.

[lune3]

yes I did could not see any writing on it was hoping it was just one of the CSI vans:sad:did see a guy with what looked to be scrubs on and a white jacket...does not mean it is the ME just saying what I saw..

Don't know if you were watching the feed earlier, but there must have been about 25 people total...a few in suits, some evidence collecting people in uniform, scouring the area and putting evidence markers around, couple taking pictures,LE, FBI and that ME guy who showed up. All looked pretty ominous.

[GentleBreeze]

it went off GB they were leaning over in a ditch and a big black bag or something then it went off the bag was not in the ditch when I saw it last a women was talking pics and alot of people in white evidence suits..whatever you call them...

Right, when I saw it last it was no longer where it had been in the receded part of the pond.

I missed those in the white evidence suits.

Is it back up working again?

tia

imo

[5boxersmom]

No, it hasn't rained since then...I live about an hour away.

How long until it gets dark there? This has been going on for hours. Seems they are taking there time and collecting evidence. This will be good for when it goes to trial. Which I so hope it does. I want this person found.

imo

[5boxersmom]

Right, when I saw it last it was no longer where it had been in the receded part of the pond.

I missed those in the white evidence suits.

Is it back up working again?

tia

imo

I wonder how far out in the pond it was? I read in an earlier link that the farm workers brought it to the edge then called LE.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

It took four people to carry that bag? That makes my heart hurt. :crying: Granted, we don't know what's in it yet but .. it just didn't give me a good feeling.

MOO

I would think the suitcase is waterlogged too and there may be weights inside to make sure it stayed down.

It sure doesn't sound good at all.

I hope for a miracle and I know Sandra's mom and dad does too.

imo

[aproudmom]

Earlier press conference...see right hand video link.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

what time was this done it is 9 pm here right now
he is giving information were to send money for the family and reward. it says 3:40 on the video no more vigils family can not handle to do any more..has there been another presser yet?since this one..could they not smell dec ugh I hate saying that..

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

[Taybug]

what time was this done it is 9 pm here right now
he is giving information were to send money for the family and reward. it says 3:40 on the video no more vigils family can not handle to do any more..has there been another presser yet?since this one..could they not smell dec ugh I hate saying that..

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra


That's been the only press conference so far. The only other thing we have heard was the local news there that was on at 6 P.M. their time. Someone posted a link above.

[GentleBreeze]

I wonder how far out in the pond it was? I read in an earlier link that the farm workers brought it to the edge then called LE.

imo

Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Thanks for that information. I would have thought they wouldn't put it out far. The pond is not that big anyway. If it was out further I wonder if they walked it out there and then submerged it. I wouldn't think they would put a boat in to do it because that may draw attention.

Wouldn't it be great if on that vast amount of video that LE has collected they have footage showing someone loading up this bag? I hope it will turn out to be unique.

imoo

[lune3]

what time was this done it is 9 pm here right now
he is giving information were to send money for the family and reward. it says 3:40 on the video no more vigils family can not handle to do any more..has there been another presser yet?since this one..could they not smell dec ugh I hate saying that..

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

If you continue watching it goes into the press conference regarding today's events, I guess it was around 3:30 PDT, with reporters asking questions as well. I was waiting for a question regarding decomp odor but nobody asked.

A reporter on a later newscast I watched (can't remember link) stated that they would be informed as to the results "early" this evening. It's 6:20 here now.

[titanfan217]

Right. It wasn't there when they filled the pond and LE searched the area this past weekend and nothing was noticed. It was found today when they emptied the pond. <sorry if I'm not using the correct term>.

I don't know much about the motel except that it was close by. FYI....Sandra's aunt said Sandra's father hasn't seen her in 6 years.

Earlier, and I believe it was Sandra's aunt, said that she knew her for 6 years and had not met the father. I was wondering why she didn't know her the 1st couple years of her life.

[aproudmom]

I wonder how far out in the pond it was? I read in an earlier link that the farm workers brought it to the edge then called LE.

imo

He said no indication of a body in it but he said he had not even seen it..I have a horrible feeling about this..it was pulled out by the workers at the farm this is the 2nd time searchers have been out there the last they know it has been 2 weeks since the pond was filled..they say it was not there 2 weeks ago..and no one saw it during the searches last one was was done Sunday he said it was floating.:sad:

[GentleBreeze]

No, it hasn't rained since then...I live about an hour away.

Thank you. That is a good thing. Maybe evidence is still there.

imoo

[Taybug]

Earlier, and I believe it was Sandra's aunt, said that she knew her for 6 years and had not met the father. I was wondering why she didn't know her the 1st couple years of her life.

Do we know if she's married? Maybe she was married into the family when Sandra was just 2. Unless it's her mom's sister, then I'm not sure.

MOO

[lune3]

Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Thanks for that information. I would have thought they wouldn't put it out far. The pond is not that big anyway. If it was out further I wonder if they walked it out there and then submerged it. I wouldn't think they would put a boat in to do it because that may draw attention.

Wouldn't it be great if on that vast amount of video that LE has collected they have footage showing someone loading up this bag? I hope it will turn out to be unique.
imoo

During the live feed today, they were really studying that area between the two ponds, taking pictures of the ground...tire tracks? I had the sense that maybe the suitcase had been put in the water from there.

[Adalena935]

The white van had one LE vehicle in front of it and one LE vehicle behind it as it was leaving. It was the medical examiner's van and the news said it contained the black bag which was on it's way toward the county medical examiner's.

This is the address I googled for San Joaquin Coroner, but on mapquest it redirected me to the city of Stockton, CA.

http://ceres.ca.gov/nahc/coroner.html

San Joaquin County
Baxter Dunn
Sheriff-Coroner
7000 Michael Canlis Blvd.
French Camp, CA 95231

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Tracy&1s=CA&1y=US&1l=37.7397&1g=-121.424202&1v=CITY&2c=Stockton&2s=CA&2y=US&2l=37.957802&2g=-121.289703&2v=CITY

Tracy, CA to Stockton, CA

Total Estimated Time: 24 minutes Total Estimated Distance: 20.47 miles

[Adalena935]

http://www.city-data.com/city/French-Camp-California.html

French Camp, CA must be a suburb of Stockton, CA. Here's a map I found when I googled French Camp, CA (which is the address of the San Joaquin County Sheriff-Coroner)

[aproudmom]

If you continue watching it goes into the press conference regarding today's events, I guess it was around 3:30 PDT, with reporters asking questions as well. I was waiting for a question regarding decomp odor but nobody asked.

A reporter on a later newscast I watched (can't remember link) stated that they would be informed as to the results "early" this evening. It's 6:20 here now.

Thanks lune so I am a 3 hours ahead it is 9:22 here
I have a feeling they knew if a body was in there they would have smelled decomp. even if it was in water..I wonder if they had dogs out there sunday or just searchers. they said it is very close to the road which is not private property..very easy to get to..

[aproudmom]

I don't know much about twitter but it is overloaded right now..anyone know anything about it..over capacity to many tweets having to wait..

[GentleBreeze]

He said no indication of a body in it but he said he had not even seen it..I have a horrible feeling about this..it was pulled out by the workers at the farm this is the 2nd time searchers have been out there the last they know it has been 2 weeks since the pond was filled..they say it was not there 2 weeks ago..and no one saw it during the searches last one was was done Sunday he said it was floating.:sad:

I think they are just trying to be extra cautious. Of course they can say they have no indication because they know they have not opened the bag yet and until they do, they will not confirm what they believe they have found.

I don't think they checked the water in the pond just around the pond but bodies do rise after a week or two due to decomp gasses and other variables.

I really think this is going to be horrible for this family to deal with but I do think most likely, although my heart is breaking in two, that they have found Sandra.

I have never seen LE be so painstakingly careful over just a bag found. I think LEs heart is breaking too and they are trying to do everything just right so Sandra's predator can be brought to justice and punished fully for their evil and depraved acts.

imo

[Destini]

Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Thanks for that information. I would have thought they wouldn't put it out far. The pond is not that big anyway. If it was out further I wonder if they walked it out there and then submerged it. I wouldn't think they would put a boat in to do it because that may draw attention.

Wouldn't it be great if on that vast amount of video that LE has collected they have footage showing someone loading up this bag? I hope it will turn out to be unique.

imoo

Your post just reminded me of something I read earlier today, don't know if it's connected or not .....

http://cbs13.com/crime/tip.boat.sandra.2.977073.html

(snipped)

An Oakland man wants answers from Tracy Police. He claims he gave them a tip about Sandra Cantu's whereabouts and they didn't follow up.

Johnny Williams says he called a tip into police Friday, but never got a response. He said he saw a man in a boat with a girl where the police had been searching. He says the man in the boat's behavior was erratic and suspicious.

[lune3]

Thanks lune so I am a 3 hours ahead it is 9:22 here
I have a feeling they knew if a body was in there they would have smelled decomp. even if it was in water..I wonder if they had dogs out there sunday or just searchers. they said it is very close to the road which is not private property..very easy to get to..

Easy to get to with greenery between the road and pond to afford some cover, and access to a strip between the two ponds. And only 2 miles evidently from the Orchard home park.

[5boxersmom]

Oh really? I hadn't heard that. Thanks for that information. I would have thought they wouldn't put it out far. The pond is not that big anyway. If it was out further I wonder if they walked it out there and then submerged it. I wouldn't think they would put a boat in to do it because that may draw attention.

Wouldn't it be great if on that vast amount of video that LE has collected they have footage showing someone loading up this bag? I hope it will turn out to be unique.

imoo

Here is where I read it GB.


The area had been searched two times previously, Sheneman said. It's believed that the container was not in the pond when it was last drained, about two weeks ago. When workers noticed it, they thought it was suspicious and called police
after pulling it over to the side of an embankment.
http://www.mercurynews.com/topstories/ci_12083966