Monday, April 6th

[MoonFlwr]

A new thread...for Monday.

Peace to all suffering in this case :(

[MoonFlwr]

Good morning from the west coast of the United States. Thank You for the new thread.

Yes, Peace to everyone.

Quite an early one from there, seeker! Morning :)

[MoonFlwr]

Off topic for a minute:

Googled "times around the world" and came up with a world clock, and "Australia/Pacific" Not knowing exactly where you are, it does appear you live in our future and we are in your past!

O/T
rofl...yes .."I have seen the future...and it is good!" ;)

Sydney Aus. It is almost 10 pm Monday night.

That's the one I use...world clock, to figure out the US times when I am following cases. East coast trials are easier...west coast ones, I have to get up at 3 am!

Back to the reason for this message board...Haleigh...and wishing for a resolution soon!

[titanfan217]

So good to hear that the future is good. So you're up kinda late...

Where could Haleigh have disappeared to? Google and Lycos didn't bring up anything new that I could see. Yesterday there was mention of a filing by Crystal's attorney. Like many of us I'm wary when I hear things and want to discover iif they are true or not. I was navigating the Putnam County Courts website and went to civil, than to custody. I put in a couple of search words but didn't come up with anything, but that could be that I don't know what I'm doing.

Besides, it's hard to do something that feels like such an invasion of privacy, despite the fact that the records are public.

Off topic, again, but curious; Are any and/or all records public down under, over there?


Bolded by me

Ask TN where her granddaughter is.

[Themis]

Poster "AProudMom" did a great job in writing down Ron Cummings' words on this piece of raw video:

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

I had indicated on Sunday that I simply could not understand most of his words.
Poster Moonflw indicated that it is this video was probably made on Monday, February, 10.
I do not know how to bring over a post from another thread so I am doing it the only way I know how. If I goof it up, I apologize in advance.
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Posted by AProudMom * 04-06-09 * 4:00 A.M. * Post #480 Page 12

I had to keep pausing and playing to try to get word for word sorry if I am off on a little I know it wont be to much since I did pay very close attention and kept playing it over and over.

1/I know someone took my child sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it is all over

2/look at his hands knuckles
looks to have been beating on a tree or something maybe just out of anger

3/I want my children? I just want my child back

4/She is the most well mannered child I ever HAD

5/I'll give my life for my child's life back

6/falls to the ground grandma TN talks then he gets up and says
I was at work trying to make a honest livinghow many times does he say this?

7/I am trying to raise my child and someone stole her out from under neath me while I was at work.
OK we got it you was working

8/When ask by the reporter how do you know she was taken he says Man the back door was wide open somebody stole my child out of my bed

9/I came home from work and my child was gone I was not there that's it.gone just like that.
OK once again he was at work we got it Ron

10/ go to 2:35 talks about how he knew something was wrong look at his face talking about his g/f being awake at 3 in the morning.

11/3:19I do plan to take the trash out WHEN IT'S TIME
What trash?

12/you have other kids in the home RC yes my son he is fine Imagine that

13/when reporter ask about what all was being done he says bloodhounds helicopters and so on. if somebody has her they have her hid
well I thought he already said someone had her..

14/5:23 close up of his hands.
after thinking I remember he did work on bridges so the scrapes and cuts mean nothing I am sure.

15/5:34 looks like Misty's wedding ring if you ask me maybe grandma TN handed it down to her..not that I give a crap just looks alot like the one misty was showing off in front of the courthouse.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

I want to let everyone know I am not saying RC did or did not know what happened to his child but when I saw this awhile ago it caught me with some of the things he said remember these are his words not mine or the medias and it is RAW so you see it all not just the bits and pieces..I for one would have been on the ground crying also but a lot of body language people will tell you this is not the normal behavior for a male don't ask me you know everyone thinks they are a expert these days...but I do find this video one that made me really wonder if he knew more but in the back of my mind I have always said I do not walk in his shoes so I don't know what I would be doing...but some of his statements sure seem very odd...JMO and we all have one..
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Thanks again, ProudMom. I know you spent a lot of time on this post and I appreciate it. Themis

[kitty1182]

Good morning...Praying for some news today..

[titanfan217]

Interesting. Do you feel like elaborating? It is a question that has crossed my mind, however sad or seemingly inconceivable it may be that she knows.


It's pretty much a gut feeling & alot about the photos she magically had of Haleigh & her injuries at school. I do not dispute that she was hurt at school but that the so called date/timed photos appeared as if they were the gospel truth.

Another issue that I have is TN's mother's visit. By the way, for the 1st month, all I knew was what I heard on NC etc. I kept screaming at the TV -- who was at the house that proved MC was there -- and then I found out it was TN's mom at 7 o'clock or when -- and how how did that prove that MC was there at midnight or after.

[Texas48]

Bolded by me

Ask TN where her granddaughter is.Great thought titan..Straight to the point..

[Themis]

Thanks for re-posting this, Themis. Didn't proudmom do a great job? It is so very hard not to see a guilty man when I "look" at Ronald Cummings, no matter how much I don't want to feel this way about another human being.
You're welcome, Seeker. Yes, AProudMom did a great job. I wanted everyone to have a chance to see her post because it was just before today's thread was started.

I just watched it again, and about 5:30 minutes into the video (very near the end) Ron's cell phone starts ringing. It is in his right hand. The camera went in for a closeup on it. He did not answer it. I wonder why?

I would think that no interview would have been more important than a phone call because it could have been LE calling to say they had found that cute little girl.
[JMO]

[JusticeDenyd]

I just assumed Ron probably thought it was a personal call and that getting the word out to the media was more important at the time.

[JusticeDenyd]

It is a private area at Websleuths for members to post. You must be a member to read there.

OIC. Thanks!

[Texas48]

It's pretty much a gut feeling & alot about the photos she magically had of Haleigh & her injuries at school. I do not dispute that she was hurt at school but that the so called date/timed photos appeared as if they were the gospel truth.

Another issue that I have is TN's mother's visit. By the way, for the 1st month, all I knew was what I heard on NC etc. I kept screaming at the TV -- who was at the house that proved MC was there -- and then I found out it was TN's mom at 7 o'clock or when -- and how how did that prove that MC was there at midnight or after.As far as I am concerned it doesn't prove anything. Misty never once told LE that GGM was there at 7pm and I do realize that things may have been overlooked or forgotten at a time like this..but...I may be wrong but I don't think GGM visit was brought forth for several days. Will have to go back and read to get exact date. I have always been under the impression the GM and GGM do NOT lie...but...will leave it at that. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

I just assumed Ron probably thought it was a personal call and that getting the word out to the media was more important at the time.

Even so, that person from the "personal call" could have found Haleigh and was calling to let him know.

[Themis]

Wow, shades of scott peterson all over again. Thanks Themis.

Morning everyone.
Jo: I just knew someone would come back with what you posted!:biggrin:

That's the first thing that popped into my mind as well. However, I left that off mine -- my posts/opinions have been criticized enough by others because they believe I am pro or anti one family over another. Actually I am not for anyone but Haleigh.
Well, let me amend that to say I am pro Junior in more recent weeks. I hope the best of the best DCF investigators are reviewing his current lifestyle and conditions considering what he is surrounded with.
I am no fan of foster homes but Junior's well being and a stable environment are uppermost in my mind these days.

[JusticeDenyd]

Even so, that person from the "personal call" could have found Haleigh and was calling to let him know.

Good point. I was just saying that's what I assumed when I watched the video clip. In hindsight, it does seem odd that he didn't appear to even look to see who was calling. It didn't seem as if TN reacted either. S-t-r-a-n-g-e.

[crymeariver2006]

Good point. I was just saying that's what I assumed when I watched the video clip. In hindsight, it does seem odd that he didn't appear to even look to see who was calling. It didn't seem as if TN reacted either. S-t-r-a-n-g-e.

And does that tell you the same thing it tells me?

[JusticeDenyd]

And does that tell you the same thing it tells me?

Well, it's hard to say. After all...none of them have been acting what I would consider to be "normal" under the circumstances. :unsure:

[JusticeDenyd]

Crowfter I am new here and don't have the rules memorized, but I certainly hope you don't get into trouble for posting that info from WS. That being said, if the information is accurate, it's nice to know KP was willing to share so much. Too bad Nancy Grace won't give her that opportunity. LOL!

[JusticeDenyd]

Back when Crystal's MySpace account was still public, I saw some photos she posted of the vehicle she apparently wrecked. I don't know what her injuries were, but the car was absolutely demolished! I had forgotten about that until reading this info from KP.

[CelticDawn]

Good point. I was just saying that's what I assumed when I watched the video clip. In hindsight, it does seem odd that he didn't appear to even look to see who was calling. It didn't seem as if TN reacted either. S-t-r-a-n-g-e.

a very similar incident occurred on National TV with scott Peterson not answering his phone when Laci was missing too.

[?noanswer]

Some phones have the capability of setting a ring tone for whomever you want. Maybe he knew by the ring who was calling. JMO

[crwofter1]

I've said before about Ronald talking past tense about his child, and then the decal on the front of his windshield has me wondering. "Only God Can Judge Me." Like someone stated before, why doesn't he have contact information?!

[CC I See]

Some phones have the capability of setting a ring tone for whomever you want. Maybe he knew by the ring who was calling. JMO

It would very interesting to see the phone records for everyone concerned.. for the days before, during that night and shortly afterwards. If any calls were made from the home during the night that Haleigh went missing, it would show that Misty wasn't asleep like she said. I am saying if ... not did.

[CC I See]

.......and maybe THAT PERSON had news about Haleigh. Your child is missing, you take all calls, imo. Yes, normally a person would unless for some reason it was all for show.

[Texas48]

Back when Crystal's MySpace account was still public, I saw some photos she posted of the vehicle she apparently wrecked. I don't know what her injuries were, but the car was absolutely demolished! I had forgotten about that until reading this info from KP.I saw the photos as well justice and I really am not sure how *anyone* survived the crash.

[Texas48]

I've said before about Ronald talking past tense about his child, and then the decal on the front of his windshield has me wondering. "Only God Can Judge Me." Like someone stated before, why doesn't he have contact information?!crwofter..ck. your pm

[JusticeDenyd]

I saw the photos as well justice and I really am not sure how *anyone* survived the crash.

Yeah, I am surprised she doesn't have permanent injuries. I wonder if her seizure problem was a factor?

[JusticeDenyd]

Yes, normally a person would unless for some reason it was all for show.


IMO all of his (and his family's - expecially his wife's) theatrics have been "for show." :tonguewag:

[crwofter1]

Talking in the past tense is disturbing, imo. His remark about God tells me ronald may not understand how the jury system works in this Country.

Enough said, I agree:thumbup:
I just pray that JUSTICE PREVAILS!!

[JusticeDenyd]

Well, before that lovely decal it said Grim Reaper....

:w00t: OMG! Are you serious? But that does seem more fitting...

Art Harris reports Ron was driving a purple car with dark windows when taking Haliegh to school the morning before she went missing. Where did the shiny new truck come from?

[JusticeDenyd]

Talking in the past tense is disturbing, imo. His remark about God tells me ronald may not understand how the jury system works in this Country.

Well considering how fortunate he's been with all of his criminal charges being dropped, maybe he believes he's "above the law." :sneaky:

[crwofter1]

Yeah, I am surprised she doesn't have permanent injuries. I wonder if her seizure problem was a factor?

Can a link be provided to view pictures? I don't want to get anyone in trouble.
Thanks

[JusticeDenyd]

Are you serious?! That's scary!! He's a FREAK!! :thumbdown:IMO

Well, (allegedly per ArtHarris.com) his ex-gf Amber said he used to play russian roulette and freak her out, so maybe that's his pet name. LOL!

[LiLMaggie]

I dont see anything scary, freaky, or juvenile about him having Grim Reaper on his truck. There is a VERY popular monster truck called Grave Digger. So what. Means nothing in the search for Haleigh. :crying:

MOO

[JusticeDenyd]

I agree with you Poch, and in my opinion they are now trying to cover their posterior regions as fast as they can. :mad:

I couldn't have said it better. :thumbsup: So sad though. I'm shocked they haven't removed Jr. from that home yet...at least until this case is resolved. How many reports of RC acting irresponsibly with guns do we need to hear about? Supposedly DCF said him hitting Jr. with a stick was "normal" or "acceptable" punishment, but this is getting ridiculous!

[psbperu]

Thanks for posting the video of Ron...I don't know what to think..

I saw one tear fall during a closeup of his face. That doesn't mean there weren't more.

What disturbed me was his reference to "trash" being taken out & his use of the past tense in referring to his child (but that is not unusual either after a traumatic event) yet it is thought provoking.

It just seems he knows more about what happened that night than he is being forthcoming about. Only my opinion particularly with the passage of time & then viewing & listening to him on this video.

Is he referring to a particular person when referring to "trash"? That is the big question for me.

[?noanswer]

Well, before that lovely decal it said Grim Reaper....

That was not his truck. I think the truck you are referring to had "Grave Digger" on it, which is the name of a monster truck. JMO

[TxLady2]

Well, before that lovely decal it said Grim Reaper....


But according to a local, that Grim Reaper truck belongs to another individual in that area.
I don't know because I'm miles away from FL.... just sayin'.
Good morning, all. Have to get some chores done. Have a great day!:biggrin:

[LiLMaggie]

Thank you
IN MY OPINION HE'S STILL A FREAK!!

You might not like Ronald Cummings, but you can't come here and call him names. It's not necessary to make a point, and I'm pretty sure it's against TOS.

MOO

[MoonFlwr]

I just assumed Ron probably thought it was a personal call and that getting the word out to the media was more important at the time.

Yeah, me too. Plus, maybe his eye caught the number that showed up on the phone and he realised it wasn't 'important'?

Seeker...not sure what your last question to me, meant! sorry! :)

[crwofter1]

You might not like Ronald Cummings, but you can't come here and call him names. It's not necessary to make a point, and I'm pretty sure it's against TOS.

MOO

If I called him CHOIR BOY, would you be happy?

[LiLMaggie]

Ok, I snipped this..

I just watched that video and wow, he is playing everyone, poor ron, just trying to make an honest living/decent living? I cant even believe I just watched him act that way, even at one point his mom is looking at him like she cant even believe he is putting on this act...

jmo

I see a totally distraught father. :crying:

MOO

Praying for Haleigh

:rose:

[MoonFlwr]

I see a totally distraught father. :crying:

MOO

Praying for Haleigh

:rose:

Me too, LilMaggie.

[LiLMaggie]

If I called him CHOIR BOY, would you be happy?

He has a name, Ronald Cummings, or if thats to much you could always use his initials RC.

MOO

[Themis]

Good point. I was just saying that's what I assumed when I watched the video clip. In hindsight, it does seem odd that he didn't appear to even look to see who was calling. It didn't seem as if TN reacted either. S-t-r-a-n-g-e.
That's right, neither Ron Cummings nor his mother, Teresa Neves, reacted to that cell phone ringing in his hand. And this was the day of Haleigh's disappearance, Monday, February 10 according to MoonFlwr who heard him refer to her being gone when he got home from work today.

[MoonFlwr]

Ok, I snipped this..

I just watched that video and wow, he is playing everyone, poor ron, just trying to make an honest living/decent living? I cant even believe I just watched him act that way, even at one point his mom is looking at him like she cant even believe he is putting on this act...

jmo

Didn't see any lack of support for Ron, from his mom, during this video, myself.

[Mimi428]

Ok, I snipped this..

I just watched that video and wow, he is playing everyone, poor ron, just trying to make an honest living/decent living? I cant even believe I just watched him act that way, even at one point his mom is looking at him like she cant even believe he is putting on this act...

jmo

I don't know specifically which video y'all are looking at today - & I can't watch any from today's location - but one of the things that sent my hinky meter just about through the roof was watching Ron segue from sobbing, hysterical, overcome-with-grief-&-emotion one second...and then being able to speak in a regular voice the next second.

Whoa! He may be just about the only person I have ever seen who could do that. Everybody else on the planet who is crying hard, overcome with emotion, completely distressed & distraught also gets a constricted throat & so choked up that it takes at least a few minutes of deliberately attempting to compose onself before they can speak in a normal tone of voice.

But apparently that does not happen to Ron. He can cry one second, stop on a dime & speak in a regular voice, then go back to crying, then stop on a dime again...

No. No. No. Something is NOT right with that picture, IMO.

All JMO

[Mimi428]

Yeah, me too. Plus, maybe his eye caught the number that showed up on the phone and he realised it wasn't 'important'?

<snipped>

But on the very day that your child has mysteriously disappeared, how can you know which calls are not important and which calls may be from a friend or family member who has just heard something. Just found something. Learned something just that very minute.

Ron could not have known the call was irrelevent ahead of time. If it was so early that he was still in the initial throes of panic & stress -it seems a lot more likely that a ringing phone would make him jump 3 feet high, ready to answer it, hurry, hurry, hurry, someone might have seen Haleigh...& so on.

Instead, nothing. His child is missing. The search is going on. Everyone is in a panic. All are overcome with terror. Phone rings - oh well, what the heck, let it go to voice mail.

That does not make sense to me.

JMO

[Themis]

I don't know specifically which video y'all are looking at today - & I can't watch any from today's location - but one of the things that sent my hinky meter just about through the roof was watching Ron segue from sobbing, hysterical, overcome-with-grief-&-emotion one second...and then being able to speak in a regular voice the next second.

Whoa! He may be just about the only person I have ever seen who could do that. Everybody else on the planet who is crying hard, overcome with emotion, completely distressed & distraught also gets a constricted throat & so choked up that it takes at least a few minutes of deliberately attempting to compose onself before they can speak in a normal tone of voice.

But apparently that does not happen to Ron. He can cry one second, stop on a dime & speak in a regular voice, then go back to crying, then stop on a dime again...

No. No. No. Something is NOT right with that picture, IMO.

All JMO
Page 1, Post Number 10. The link to the raw video is there and so are the follow-on comments.

[Mimi428]

Page 1, Post Number 10. The link to the raw video is there and so are the follow-on comments.

Thanks - I appreciate the info. I just can't watch video from today's location.

:seeya:

[crwofter1]

I see a totally distraught father. :crying:

MOO

Praying for Haleigh

:rose:

I have to be honest with you, that video shook my heart string, I just get so confused with all the speculation, rumors, and LE not acting like they know anything different than at Day One if this Investigation.:confused:

[titanfan217]

As far as I am concerned it doesn't prove anything. Misty never once told LE that GGM was there at 7pm and I do realize that things may have been overlooked or forgotten at a time like this..but...I may be wrong but I don't think GGM visit was brought forth for several days. Will have to go back and read to get exact date. I have always been under the impression the GM and GGM do NOT lie...but...will leave it at that. jmo

Can't tell you the exact date, but the first I heard about "someone" being there to "check" was when the first rumor came out that MC may not have been there all evening. GM was on NC (I think) and said she was because she had someone there, but did not say who or time.

Again, I don't know what was being said on local news.

[Themis]

Actually not so strange to me because I have ring tones set differently for different callers. He could have known very well who it was calling just by the ring tone. He could have also figured he could just call them back, whether he knew who it was or not...I don't see this being any major thing here.
Pia: Have you watched this video from beginning to end today?

[Mimi428]

Poster "AProudMom" did a great job in writing down Ron Cummings' words on this piece of raw video:


13/when reporter ask about what all was being done he says bloodhounds helicopters and so on. if somebody has her they have her hid

well I thought he already said someone had her..


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Thanks, AProudMom - & thanks also to you, Themis for reposting that.

#13 is a good example of something I also noticed. The reporter asks what was being done...(makes sense).

Ron not only answers the question - he then makes an effort to point the subject in a specific direction- somebody took her. And not only did they take her, they are hiding her.

There is NO (good) reason for Ron to point the direction into what we should be thinking. He did not say, "I don't know, but if somebody took her I am afraid they may have hidden her". Instead, he makes an assertion - that she has been hid.

One more thing that is not compatible with a parent who has no clue why their child has disappeared, IMO.

All JMONVHO

[crwofter1]

Maybe it's genetics. I've seen TN do the same thing.

jmo

LMAO:laugh::thumbsup:Probably true

[LiLMaggie]

I have to be honest with you, that video shook my heart string, I just get so confused with all the speculation, rumors, and LE not acting like they know anything different than at Day One if this Investigation.:confused:

I agree crwofter, there is so much speculation, and it is confusing.

Where oh where is poor little Haleigh?....:crying:

MOO

[Mimi428]

I see the same,then I am NOT a Ron hater. Makes a difference how someone perceives things. MOO

A Ron 'hater'? WTH does that mean? I do not hate, nor do I love any person we have heard about in this case.

Ron has behaved in ways that are strikingly similar to others who were found to have done bad things. People who follow true crime are going to notice stuff like that & comment on it. Such is the nature of message boards.

JMO

[titanfan217]

I dont see anything scary, freaky, or juvenile about him having Grim Reaper on his truck. There is a VERY popular monster truck called Grave Digger. So what. Means nothing in the search for Haleigh. :crying:

MOO

I've seen a vehicle in pictures connected with this case marked "Grave Digger". Is that where it came from?

[Themis]

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Thanks, AProudMom - & thanks also to you, Themis for reposting that.

#13 is a good example of something I also noticed. The reporter asks what was being done...(makes sense).

Ron not only answers the question - he then makes an effort to point the subject in a specific direction- somebody took her. And not only did they take her, they are hiding her.

There is NO (good) reason for Ron to point the direction into what we should be thinking. He did not say, "I don't know, but if somebody took her I am afraid they may have hidden her". Instead, he makes an assertion - that she has been hid.

One more thing that is not compatible with a parent who has no clue why their child has disappeared, IMO.

All JMONVHO
I agree with you, Mimi. It was most interesting, to me at least, to go back to what is believed to be the very first reactions of Ron Cummings to learning his beloved 5 year old daughter has been kidnapped. To watch his initial actions and listen to his words. He is seen literally sinking to the ground in grief. Yet, he can switch into another mode quickly.

Add to that ignoring a call from his cell phone when he has absolutely no idea who may have found her or had important news for him with that call to him.

There were some posts very early this morning which can be found on the last couple of pages of Sunday's thread. Another video that a couple of us re-watched was the one Greta V.S did with Ronald Cummings and Misty in the evening hours of 2-11, I believe. Again, hearing what each had to say and watching the body language was worth seeing again. There is also an accompanying transcript on the same page as the video.

Since so much distracting news and mud-slinging has taken place over recent weeks it is worthwhile, IMO, to go back to the beginning and see the principals' reaction and what they had to say and how they acted.

[CANDYKISSES]

Bolded by me

Ask TN where her granddaughter is.

Do you believe she's hiding her or just what is your point?

I can't imagine Teresa is responsible for the abduction of her grandchild, but am looking forward to reading just what you are thinking. JMO:unsure:

:wub:BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME and GIVE THIS FAMILY A MIRACLE.

[Texas48]

But, why didn't TN pick up the phone?........I had alway's seen something off with that video, and thanks to today's poster's.......I finially realized what it was.......and one was why didn't TN pick up that phone?
Ahh..you finally made it here I see. I woundered about the phone call not being answered at first and then started finding reasons Ron would not answered it...he knew who was calling and could return the call at a later time..or it is possible he did not reconize the number/name...maybe he would NOT have wanted TN to answer it, who knows..just add it to the *question* list..Good your here apple.

[titanfan217]

Actually not so strange to me because I have ring tones set differently for different callers. He could have known very well who it was calling just by the ring tone. He could have also figured he could just call them back, whether he knew who it was or not...I don't see this being any major thing here.

Maybe it was one of those infamous 800# calls. I ignore them all the time.

[bookie]

Hmmm who is lying? Kim P is claiming Crystal worked 2 jobs to pay the back child support? Funny, Crystals mom admitted Crystal wasn't paying it. So which of them is lying?

[CANDYKISSES]

It's pretty much a gut feeling & alot about the photos she magically had of Haleigh & her injuries at school. I do not dispute that she was hurt at school but that the so called date/timed photos appeared as if they were the gospel truth.

Another issue that I have is TN's mother's visit. By the way, for the 1st month, all I knew was what I heard on NC etc. I kept screaming at the TV -- who was at the house that proved MC was there -- and then I found out it was TN's mom at 7 o'clock or when -- and how how did that prove that MC was there at midnight or after.

So what are you trying to infer regarding Teresa and the photos?

I see it as one of two things. First of all you have a non-custodial parent and/or her mother calling in accusations, from a near drowning that never took place IMOO to other allegations. So likely if something happened to one of the children, I would have photos on hand immediately with a school report. Not to mention the idea of whether or not the monkey bars were perhaps unsafe and legal action could result as the second reason. JMO tho.

I have yet to see proof of the allegations regarding child abuse, but will certainly respect credible information and a decision by DCF if they find evidence of abuse.

KP & CO. have done quite a bit of damage to others as they hide beneath the cloak of good parenting so the focus stays negative on the Cummings, when by what I've seen, CS and her fiance wouldn't be much better for the children. JMO tho. :sad:

:wub:COME HOME SWEET HALEIGH!

[2boysMom]

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Thanks, AProudMom - & thanks also to you, Themis for reposting that.

#13 is a good example of something I also noticed. The reporter asks what was being done...(makes sense).

Ron not only answers the question - he then makes an effort to point the subject in a specific direction- somebody took her. And not only did they take her, they are hiding her.

There is NO (good) reason for Ron to point the direction into what we should be thinking. He did not say, "I don't know, but if somebody took her I am afraid they may have hidden her". Instead, he makes an assertion - that she has been hid.

One more thing that is not compatible with a parent who has no clue why their child has disappeared, IMO.

All JMONVHO


If You come home from work and your child is gone and you know your child would never leave the house alone in the dark, then what else would you say happened to your child?

[Themis]

I have seen the video. I don't care about him answering the phone or not. I don't care whether or not he has "odd" things taped to his truck. I don't care about any of the things that many here seem to be obsessing about...from Ron's side AND Crystal's side. I only care about finding this little girl and all the things we have said here, about all concerned, is doing absolutely nothing to help find her.
Unless you are in Florida and within easy driving distance of Satsuma it does not seem to me that there is not anything we posters can actively do to find Haleigh.

As you typed: "...all the things we have said here, about all concerned, is doing absolutely nothing to help find her."

I hope for your sake the frustration of coming here--reading posts you find useless--and typing posts yourself is not a detriment to your health.

Take care of yourself.:seeya:

[crwofter1]

I just stumbled onto Ron's sit for Little HC: www.FindHaleighNow.com
There's a couple of precious pictures of her I haven't seen. She so sweet. Makes me want to cry for the upteenth time.:sad:

[Mimi428]

If You come home from work and your child is gone and you know your child would never leave the house alone in the dark, then what else would you say happened to your child?

I would say, "I am sure she woud not have left on her own, I am afraid someone took her because she has never done anything like sleepwalking".

I would not say that I KNEW what happened, because at that point all I would have is my fears of what happened.

And even if I was 99% sure she must have been abducted, I would not be telling reporters, investigators, or anyone else that she was hidden - because that is something I d@mn sure could NOT know less than 24 hours after she went missing. And that is the point - Ron was declaring things as if they were factual at a time when he could not have had any idea about whether she was being hidden or not. For all he or anyone else could have known at that point, she might have been taken 50 miles away & dumped alongside the highway.

He was asked a question about what was being done to find his daughter. His answer included a statement which led to a conclusion that a person in his position could not have known at that point.

JMO

[titanfan217]

Do you believe she's hiding her or just what is your point?

I can't imagine Teresa is responsible for the abduction of her grandchild, but am looking forward to reading just what you are thinking. JMO:unsure:

:wub:BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME and GIVE THIS FAMILY A MIRACLE.

I have seriously considered that someone connected with TN and family has Haleigh. Why? Obviously we don't know everything going on in that family.

I think more likely though is that MC and/or RC are directly connected and TN is covering for them.

[Mimi428]

Maybe Crystal has threaten to take Haleigh and hid her if he pursued the Child support payments. MOO

If she had, I would sure wonder what in the world is wrong with Ron, Misty, his mother & his grandmother for NOT screaming to the whole wide world that she had been doing that.

Misty, for certain, because she's the one who has endured 30 hours of questioning by LE. No way would I waste my time for 30 hours answering the same things over & over again if I knew Crystal had threatened to take either or both of the kids & hide them for any reason whatsoever.

JMO

[FoxySly]

I don't see that as a rant about other message boards. I see that as a rant about bringing other message board rumors and lies over here.
If you think someone is posting off topic it makes no sense that you would quote that off topic remark and comment on it yourself...

By the way Foxy...Great post!


Thank you Pia.

Last night there were some complaining that a bio mom should have to even pay Child support even at the very minimum of a little over $300. a month.

How sad IMO that some don't think Children are worth at the very least that much. Like your own Child is not worth .50 an hour & they don't even pay that much yet complain about the Dad that works & had them for 3 1/2 years!

Sly

~

[CANDYKISSES]

Please stay on topic, that's what Coldwater wants and I have complete faith in her moderating. Your rant about other boards is inappropriate, imo.

Again, the fact is that Haleigh disappeared from ronald cumming's trailer, because he left his children in the care of this underage female who is suspected of spending the prior weekend having sex, drinking and taking drugs, imo.

While you're chastising Sly, it would appear you were providing info too that wasn't pertinent to this board. Also you might consider that if Crystal Sheffield had been handling her obligations of support, just maybe he would have been able to afford a licensed childcare provider. But it is what it is IMO. :sad:

Regarding your last sentence, I wonder how many parents engage in :w00t:sex, drink and use drugs yet their children go to bed and wake up in the bed? Do not mistake this for advocating this behavior, I am simply wondering if you realize that goes on often in the HOMES IN AMERICA whether we like it or not.

Certainly we've seen cases like that before IMO and the parents had nothing to do with the child going missing.

I don't know who abducted Haleigh, but I certainly hope if it's about a vendetta against the Cummings or Sheffields that she is being cared for and will be returned. JMO again.

[CANDYKISSES]

Hmmm who is lying? Kim P is claiming Crystal worked 2 jobs to pay the back child support? Funny, Crystals mom admitted Crystal wasn't paying it. So which of them is lying?

Now now Bookie, you know Kim simply misstates things and then when you call her on it, she wiggles her best to get it straight. JMOOC. :thumbdown:

I hope she actually does something to locate Haleigh, but I don't see it happening IMO.

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME!

[titanfan217]

Those that demand that Crystal pay child support, conviently fail to mention the horrible car crash Crystal was in and her injuries that prevented her from working. Can't get blood out of a stone, imo.

Unfortunately that's a flaw with the system. Child support is based upon percentage of income at a point in time, but then when things change, make it difficult to get the amount changed. The last I heard 28% (Illinois rate for 2) of 0 is 0.

[2boysMom]

I would say, "I am sure she woud not have left on her own, I am afraid someone took her because she has never done anything like sleepwalking".

I would not say that I KNEW what happened, because at that point all I would have is my fears of what happened.

And even if I was 99% sure she must have been abducted, I would not be telling reporters, investigators, or anyone else that she was hidden - because that is something I d@mn sure could NOT know less than 24 hours after she went missing. And that is the point - Ron was declaring things as if they were factual at a time when he could not have had any idea about whether she was being hidden or not. For all he or anyone else could have known at that point, she might have been taken 50 miles away & dumped alongside the highway.

He was asked a question about what was being done to find his daughter. His answer included a statement which led to a conclusion that a person in his position could not have known at that point.

JMO


Thanks for replying, Mimi. I still don't see why it's seen by some as consciousness of guilt for him to say "Someone took her and is hiding her". I doubt he'd have said "someone took her and she is dead."

The very first thing I think most of us thought upon hearing about this case is "somebody took her!"

I'm really frustrated at the nit-picking. As for Ron" he's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't" IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I suspect misty for the same reason LE do, her inconsistent stories. IMO, this was an inside job.

When did LE name Misty as a SUSPECT? Do you have a link to her being called a SUSPECT?

JMO

[crwofter1]

Do you believe she's hiding her or just what is your point?

I can't imagine Teresa is responsible for the abduction of her grandchild, but am looking forward to reading just what you are thinking. JMO:unsure:

:wub:BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME and GIVE THIS FAMILY A MIRACLE.

At one point at the prayer vigil that was taped, when TN was hugging RC tightly, I had a thought that maybe RC confided in his Mother what really happened to his child. That was the video where WS aka Cobra was at.
I don't know why I thought that, but I did.:confused:

[Mimi428]

Kim Picazio is a welcomed addition to the investigation, imo, there is less a chance of things being covered up, imo.

<snipped>

ITA, & I am not at all sorry that KP & Cobra the PI (or bounty hunter or skip tracer or whatever) have come into the investigation. I have no doubt there are those who really do not want to bring themselves to the attention of LE & their reasons may be that they are doing drugs. I hope they see that WBG, his mother & Nay Nay have suffered no harm from stating what they know. I do not believe LE will be arresting them over what they said, they have bigger fish to catch than casual drug users in this situation.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

For sure if the call Ron didn't pick up was about Haleigh being found alive, returning the call after the interview wouldn't have changed the outcome.

If Haleigh's body had been found, not answering the call for a few minutes until Ron wasn't on-air wouldn't have brought her back.

Most if not all phones allow you to see a 'missed call' and allows a return call if so desired.

The cell ringing and Ron or TN not answering is a non issue here.

But hey, what do I know? So...It's MOO

Kathy, my cell rings when I have a text message too, so maybe it was a text. JMO:unsure:

[crwofter1]

I suspect misty for the same reason LE do, her inconsistent stories. IMO, this was an inside job.

Yes Jo,
Once again I agree 100%. All the stories, and all the talk of past tense, and on, and on. We can all speculate until the truth comes out, we have nothing else. Hopefully time will tell, I never thought we'd know where Little CMA was, and sooo sad, but we did find out. I just pray for a different outcome.:sad:

[FoxySly]

But, IMO, only if it goes to making her father a bad parent. IMO......

Yup, the one who did manage to have a job & support his Children & even get them to the very important doctors appointments while maintaining a JOB without the support or help of their bio mom.

Sly

~

[CANDYKISSES]

Where did I say LE has named misty a suspect?

In your post as Jo Wallace, you alleged "I suspect misty for the same reason LE do".....

So do you have a link or is it your twist again?

Just like last time when you alleged Crystal wasn't taking any drugs, yet she allegedly told Art Harris about being prescribed XANAX IIRC. JMO. :rolleyes:

[cuppajoe]

But I wasn't the one trying telling someone else what they can do or not do...LOL

The board is getting locked down if this stuff keeps up. :mad:

[CANDYKISSES]

What on earth are you talking about?


paleog·ra·phy (pā′lē äg′rə fē)

noun

ancient writing or forms of writing, collectively
the study of describing or deciphering ancient writings.

Oh Jo, I'll bet even you knew what bam bam meant.

But here is something for you and it's my belief that's what bambam meant to post....

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/polygrapher

JMO.

[titanfan217]

The judge based hers on minimum wages, it is in the court records. Maybe you should read them.

That doesn't assure she's making minimum wages.

[crwofter1]

Thanks for posting the link - Gosh, I wish someone would do a better website for Haleigh - on both sides.

To be honest, it is realy sad that this family can't come together and have ONE website for Haleigh.

I did notice in Haleigh's picture something on her right arm - ( when looking at the picture it is on the left)

Does anyone have any idea what that is?

Hi Apple
You welcome. I agree with you, but too many cans of worms opened up with the Custody issues, and mud slinging. I don't see either side burying the hatchet for the sake of this precious child that is a gift from God. Just makes me ill.

[CANDYKISSES]

:wub:HOPES AND PRAYERS FOR HALEIGH TO BE RETURNED SAFELY.

[crwofter1]

But they would be accounted for IMO

grma
I just couldn't agree with you more. Good comment. IMO:thumbsup:

[CelticDawn]

Neither Misty nor crystal should be driving IMO.

....same situation....different reasons.

[FoxySly]

MISTRUTHS!!!

All the posts over & over stated as fact that Ron stoled crystal's donation money & now LE says:
Baker County deputies have charged a janitor with stealing reward money collected by school bus drivers for information in Haleigh Cummings' disappearance.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-03-12/story/deputies_charge_janitor_with_stealing_reward_money _in_haleigh_cumm

So much for all those facts bad mouthing the Father who has supported his Children 3 1/2 years without much help from the bio mom who was over $4,000 behind in Child support & healthy enough to bring another Child into the world.

Stating things over & over as facts will not make them in fact true.

Sly

~

[Squidward]

Hi all!

I just wanted to thank proudmom for getting down the things Ron said from that interview, and thanks Themis for carrying it over!

I see there's no new news on Haleigh today :sad:

Going back to the beginning is good, it gives us a good idea of what LE is dealing with from the 911 call to the last interview RC and TN gave to NG, and everything in bewteen.

Prayers for Haleigh!

[bama__angel]

ITA it's time for Ron to go back to work. I know that has to be hard for any parent in his position to do though.



I dont know how any of us can decide when it's time for any parent who has a missing child to go back to work......I am so grateful I have never walked in those shoes.....I think it is important for Ron and Crystal and their families to try to make life as normal as possible for Jr. and Chloe and that would be so heart breaking because you know that the adults know that their lives are never ever going to be normal again until Haleigh is found...But for the future of their remaining children, Ron and Crystal are going to have to pull it together......I dont know if I could do this...I pray for all.....

[Squidward]

wow i had no clue Misty didn't have a license? I wonder why she doesn't . I had my license when i was 16.

Now about Crystal. I have no idea if she knew it was going to happen or not. But it's happen before and she totaled a car and she was told she shouldn't drive. so why was she driving? specially with her child in the car? why wasn't her step brother driving?

I think the law in Florida is that no one under 18 can get their license unless they are going to school, so that would be why people don't think she has one.

It has been reported that Crystal's first seizure happened 2 days before Haleigh vanished, and her car accident happened before she was even pregnant I believe, so a seizure did not cause her to total her car. I have not seen anything saying Crystal was told not to drive, until she had her second seizure.

[FoxySly]

Misty doesn't have a license?

I'd like a link to the fact that misty WAS driving that I seen the poster type in quotes.

It might be yet another mistruth that misty WAS driving.
Search engines only bring me to gossip about misty driving, no confirmation by LE that I can find.

Sly

~

[Squidward]

I'd like a link to the fact that misty WAS driving that I seen the poster type in quotes.

It might be yet another mistruth that misty WAS driving.
Search engines only bring me to gossip about misty driving, no confirmation by LE that I can find.

Sly

~

Check out Art Harris page he has an interview with her where she herself says she sometimes drives the kids to school. I think it was her first interview after the Today Show.

[Mimi428]

Now about Crystal. I have no idea if she knew it was going to happen or not. But it's happen before and she totaled a car and she was told she shouldn't drive. so why was she driving? specially with her child in the car? why wasn't her step brother driving?

Crystal was told not to drive before? I missed all that - when did that happen?

TIA

[bama__angel]

Check out Art Harris page he has an interview with her where she herself says she sometimes drives the kids to school. I think it was her first interview after the Today Show.



Squid.....I thought Misty said she sometimes drives the kids to the bus stop.....kids mean Haleigh and Misty's brother's children.....IMO...

[titanfan217]

The most recent and complete account I have read was over at Websleuths on their private page, which unfortunately cannot be linked here. It came from Kim Picazio directly and I do not doubt her word.

Although KP's account was the first I'd heard of it, it sounds like something that wouldn't not have been made up. I also realize that she wasn't there when it supposedly happened.

I'm still trying to figure how what law would allow RC access to the money. I know I would have been mad if I'd given money for one cause and someone else took it.

[Mimi428]

I disagree and urge everyone to read the responses by ronald during the 911 call. IMO, knowing what we know now about him and misty, all their responses seem contrived to me.

IMO

I agree. Gave me déjà vu for the Menendez brothers. Phone call with strange versions of crying rapidly segueing into totally normal tones of voice & back again. All the emoting from Ron. Then all the sentences that were directing LE (& all others) on how & what to believe. Not good. Not good at all, IMO.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I know you were not asking me, but when LE say's " Misty is the Key"( not exact words, but I am sure you know what I mean).................then ...what do you think they are saying?

I take it as - LE does suspect Misty - but, are not saying OFFICIALLY that they suspect her.

IMO they are trying to make sure she is telling the truth about the whole night as that could significantly change the time line if she was not present in the home the entire evening.

[Owlface]

you seriously think Crystal will go to parenting classes when she couldn't even go to dr's appointments?

Actually, if you read the court transcripts Crystal did go to parenting classes. It was Ron who didn't.

[CANDYKISSES]

You know what that means.....I am sure you have made a typo from time to time.

Also, what does that have to do with Haleigh?

I want to find Heleigh and imo finding Haleigh is MORE important then making fun of typo's.

It had nothing to do with a typo and everything to do with the content of the debate regarding WHETHER OR NOT LE thinks Misty is a SUSPECT. :sneaky: Technically they have stated EVERYONE IS A SUSPECT IIRC so if you look at it that way, I guess all family members are still not CLEARED. As to specifically calling Misty a SUSPECT, I have yet to see anything stating that.

They have never stated a belief in her being a suspect in the abduction of Haleigh period. That's exactly what it had to do with the HALEIGH CUMMINGS CASE IMO. I hope you're able to find Haleigh as you suggest above, trust me we all do. That would be such a miracle for this family. :thumbup:

JMO

[Texas48]

For sure if the call Ron didn't pick up was about Haleigh being found alive, returning the call after the interview wouldn't have changed the outcome.

If Haleigh's body had been found, not answering the call for a few minutes until Ron wasn't on-air wouldn't have brought her back.

Most if not all phones allow you to see a 'missed call' and allows a return call if so desired.

The cell ringing and Ron or TN not answering is a non issue here.

But hey, what do I know? So...It's MOOI believe that is fairly close to what I posted...but hey...

[titanfan217]

I believe it still stands that everyone surrounding Haleigh is a suspect, according to law enforcement statements. That was narrowed down from the whole world being a suspect. (Not sure where, or if, it has actually been said that the a/c guy has been cleared). This is my opinion


Somewhere I heard that the cousin in Tennessee was cleared too, but think that might have just been that they were convinced Haleigh wasn't there with him.

[emdragon]

QUOTE=bam bam;12971430]Hold your horses!!!! The reason Haleigh is missing is because a sicko come into another person's home and took her....I don't care where Misty spent her week end or how old she is,the person who kidnapped this child is at fault not this girl... Unless you are saying Misty remove her from the home herself. Is that what you are saying??

Bolding mine

Many people, including law enforcement, have expressed grave doubts that this little girl was abducted. This is my opinion based upon the facts presented in this case, the actions of the family, and the statements made by law enforcement, from the very beginning.

[/QUOTE]

Can you point me in the direction where it says LE doesn't believe this was an abduction because it was LE that labeled it just that.

[CANDYKISSES]

You know CK, I like having a respectful debate, but when posters start talking about others in a personal way, as you have done here and posters disobey the rules, that's when the board is subject to being closed down and that's a shame, imo.

I don't think my posts are contradictory at all, imo.

That is your opinion and your right, and I would offer you the following as to how I formed my opinion with respect.

.......and maybe THAT PERSON had news about Haleigh.

Your child is missing, you take all calls, imo.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

My response to your post above based on the video I have linked is nothing personal, rather it was addressing the contradiction given that nobody here knows if that was a text message or a phone call IMO. Nothing personal at all.

Next...

While your post may have been removed, you may see a copy on #18 of this thread in a response.

Likewise I responded to FoxySly being chastised by you, when I posted #122 as a response to you, but now your post is unavailable from what I can see. That was a personal attack on a poster IMO.

It would appear the post I was responding to is one of the pot and kettle stories IMOO.

I stand by the possibility that RON CUMMINGS could have a ring tone for his text messages and that the above linked video could have shown him looking down at a text message, as opposed to avoiding a phone call on the day his daughter went missing. It's not necessary to try and make him out to look any worse without factual knowledge from my POV.

JMO again.

The most recent and complete account I have read was over at Websleuths on their private page, which unfortunately cannot be linked here. It came from Kim Picazio directly and I do not doubt her word.

ALLEGEDLY as there is no proof Kim stated those things IMO. It was the interpretation of an anonymous message board poster who claimed to have spoken to KP IMO.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jo Wallace View Post
Please stay on topic, that's what Coldwater wants and I have complete faith in her moderating. Your rant about other boards is inappropriate, imo.

Again, the fact is that Haleigh disappeared from ronald cumming's trailer, because he left his children in the care of this underage female who is suspected of spending the prior weekend having sex, drinking and taking drugs, imo.


LOL, like you just did?

From my experience at IS I know that Coldwater does not want friction over other message boards. This is the Haleigh forum and discussions should be about this case, not other boards. imo.

Kim Picazio is a welcomed addition to the investigation, imo, there is less a chance of things being covered up, imo.

AGAIN, the pot and kettle story IMO. What can I say other than....

:wub:STILL PRAYING FOR A MIRACLE CONCERNING THE ABDUCTION OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS:wub:??????? with no answers IMO.

Haleigh should be home getting ready to dye eggs like she was doing happily in her home last year as she awaited the Easter Bunny with her family. The youtube video of that was one that really touched my heart. Her beautiful face with her outstretched hand holding the colored egg out at the end was a tear jerker.

http://tr.youtube.com/watch?v=h69zFz1kpRo

[Adalena935]

Somewhere I heard that the cousin in Tennessee was cleared too, but think that might have just been that they were convinced Haleigh wasn't there with him.

That's true, Misty's Tennessee cousin was ruled not a suspect. What's noteworthy is that Ron & Misty's families pointed fingers at him when Haleigh first vanished. Called him a pedophile. None of it was substantiated when FBI investigated him though.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html

Missing Florida Girl's Family: Pedophile Cousin Took Haleigh Cummings

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/tennessee_cousin_not_a_suspect_in_the_case

Tennessee cousin not a suspect in Haleigh case

[Ice Cycle]

I feel the need to say this, the whole child support issues has been analyzed to death and I think it is quite obvious none are without guilt in some way. Usually the how and when comes first and the motive usually comes last. Though while on the subject and though I have said this before in regards to Ron supporting his children, this is not a new concept as Dad's having been doing it for sometime now. Though most women work now some did and do solely. The fact is if she had them he would be paying support anyway. Yes I realize she was ordered to do so also but things are not always how they appear.
Regardless he does not deserve a medal for supporting and or caring for his children.
Unreal, I will move on to another subject.

[Texas48]

I agree and am completely confidant KP would not throw her career away to be made a fool of. Crystal is very lucky to have her.

jmoI agree Viking.

[Squidward]

I feel the need to say this, the whole child support issues has been analyzed to death and I think it is quite obvious none are without guilt in some way. Usually the how and when comes first and the motive usually comes last. Though while on the subject and though I have said this before in regards to Ron supporting his children, this is not a new concept as Dad's having been doing it for sometime now. Though most women work now some did and do solely. The fact is if she had them he would be paying support anyway. Yes I realize she was ordered to do so also but things are not always how they appear.
Regardless he does not deserve a medal for supporting and or caring for his children.
Unreal, I will move on to another subject.

:thumbup: Great post and I agree completely!

[Texas48]

TY for defending me. You are correct, I was sure she knew what I meant. I just ignored her, that's what I generally do when other make a spelling mistake yet I know what they are saying.
:wink:
The board gets to moving so fast at times so there will be typos more often than not..I recall not so long ago I typed *trailor* instead of *trailer* and BAM..spell police hit me right over the head..so yea ITA.

[Ice Cycle]

:thumbup: Great post and I agree completely!

Thanks Squid

[bookie]

Bolding mine

Many people, including law enforcement, have expressed grave doubts that this little girl was abducted. This is my opinion based upon the facts presented in this case, the actions of the family, and the statements made by law enforcement, from the very beginning.



Can you point me in the direction where it says LE doesn't believe this was an abduction because it was LE that labeled it just that.[/QUOTE]

Very true.

Police don't issue Amber Alerts if the child/ren involved aren't abducted. And the AA for Haleigh was never canceled so obviously they consider it an abduction. The only thing I remember police saying was that they were convinced she didn't wander away.

[titanfan217]

Can you point me in the direction where it says LE doesn't believe this was an abduction because it was LE that labeled it just that.

Very true.

Police don't issue Amber Alerts if the child/ren involved aren't abducted. And the AA for Haleigh was never canceled so obviously they consider it an abduction. The only thing I remember police saying was that they were convinced she didn't wander away.[/QUOTE]

Does it make a difference that the amber alert has "endangered" instead of abducted?

[bookie]

Does it make a difference that the amber alert has "endangered" instead of abducted?


Hmmm something is weird here. What is showing up as my post is actually Emdragon's in your quote.

No it doesn't make a difference that it has endangered. Most abducted children are in danger.

[defender123]

:mellow:
After all this time. Just What if this is all true. It was a real cold blooded abduction..Does it not make us all stop and think , there for the grace of god go I.
It could be my house , my bedroom , my baby, my grandchild, my son, my daughter.
And that is where it hits so close to home we dont want to believe it. Becuase then it could happen to any of us.

[bookie]

:mellow:
After all this time. Just What if this is all true. It was a real cold blooded abduction..Does it not make us all stop and think , there for the grace of god go I.
It could be my house , my bedroom , my baby, my grandchild, my son, my daughter.
And that is where it hits so close to home we dont want to believe it. Becuase then it could happen to any of us.


I think that is what it's going to turn out to be. I'd bet Misti left the door unlocked and some pedophile took advantage of it.

And I do think there for the grace of God because I have always left my doors unlocked, even at night. I live in a very small town. I've sat here many nights with my doors and windows wide open in the wee hours of the morning.

[nana6]

Hi , I just got on for the first time today. Is there any news today?

[Mimi428]

and yet he was granted custody.

Page 48 of the hearing on Dec 27, 2005, the magistrate plainly says...

I'm going to go ahead and leave primary residential custody with the Father based on the fact that the Father presently is employed,...

Page 49

...I'm going to find that the Mother is unemployed

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/.../cummings1.pdf

For one reason, with no equivocation, no may be, no could be, no possibly - "based on the fact that the Father presently is employed..."

JMO

[crwofter1]

I am listening to HLN, and they found a big container near SC's home, I pray she isn't in the container. They found it while draining a irrigation pool 2 miles from her mobile home park.:unsure: I think the FBI was called in to open the container.

[cat3]

I have no idea what Ronald took. I've been in New Orleans working my rear end off all weekend. and i have no idea if Ronalds working or not. He really shouldn't have to go back right now...He should be taking care of jr with that 4000 Crystal owes him......MOO

No one knows that Ron took anything.Some are just willing to take the word of KP.A woman that in my opinion seems mostly interested in causing discord,and getting her few minutes of fame out of the tragedy of Haleigh's disappearance.In spite of her having child protective services investigate the well being of JR,I find the rest of her actions suspect.
She acted as though Greg was new news when LE had interviewed him early on in the case,according to Art Harris.It is thought by some that she brought in Cobra,and every week,or every other week we hear that he is going to break this case open....and still we have nothing.Personally I'm hard pressed to take the woman seriously.IMO
Although I have tried not to judge Crystal,I'm beginning to find it difficult as she continues to play victim and allows others to be her voice,such as KP and Marie.Someday she is going to have to develop a spine and hopefully sooner rather than later.
Regarding the back child support and Crystal's previous accident...didn't she get an insurance payout from the accident,and if so why didn't she try to pay some of the child support out of that? IMO

[Texas48]

Page 48 of the hearing on Dec 27, 2005, the magistrate plainly says...

I'm going to go ahead and leave primary residential custody with the Father based on the fact that the Father presently is employed,...

Page 49

...I'm going to find that the Mother is unemployed

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/.../cummings1.pdf

For one reason, with no equivocation, no may be, no could be, no possibly - "based on the fact that the Father presently is employed..."

JMOThat is what Crystal has been saying all along. She said something to the effect that Ron also would have health ins. for the children which was important being that Haleigh has a medical problem. i wish some could read this for exactly what it says instead of trying to implant uglies.

[Texas48]

I am listening to HLN, and they found a big container near SC's home, I pray she isn't in the container. They found it while draining a irrigation pool 2 miles from her mobile home park.:unsure: I think the FBI was called in to open the container.Thats what I am watching as well..Right now Vinnie is talking about the boy that committed suicide from being bullied at school. shame..

[cat3]

I am listening to HLN, and they found a big container near SC's home, I pray she isn't in the container. They found it while draining a irrigation pool 2 miles from her mobile home park.:unsure: I think the FBI was called in to open the container.

I'm having a brain fa*rt today.Who is SC?

[bookie]

No one knows that Ron took anything.Some are just willing to take the word of KP.A woman that in my opinion seems mostly interested in causing discord,and getting her few minutes of fame out of the tragedy of Haleigh's disappearance.In spite of her having child protective services investigate the well being of JR,I find the rest of her actions suspect.
She acted as though Greg was new news when LE had interviewed him early on in the case,according to Art Harris.It is thought by some that she brought in Cobra,and every week,or every other week we hear that he is going to break this case open....and still we have nothing.Personally I'm hard pressed to take the woman seriously.IMO
Although I have tried not to judge Crystal,I'm beginning to find it difficult as she continues to play victim and allows others to be her voice,such as KP and Marie.Someday she is going to have to develop a spine and hopefully sooner rather than later.
Regarding the back child support and Crystal's previous accident...didn't she get an insurance payout from the accident,and if so why didn't she try to pay some of the child support out of that? IMO


We heard awhile back that Ron and Misti went to the fair and got drunk but no proof was ever posted. Now we hear, again with no proof, that he stole a donation jar. I find it funny that the media never got wind of either of these events. We're supposed to believe they are at the fair whooping it up but not one single person got pictures? And we're supposed to believe he stole a donation jar, the police were never called and the media never got ahold of that one either. Hard to believe since they have been in the spotlight for 2 months now.

[Texas48]

Hello...hello..Is anyone here? Where did ppl go running off to?

[bookie]

I'm having a brain fa*rt today.Who is SC?


Sandra Cantu most likely.

[JD1974]

You're correct.
I did miss the last 3 letters "imo" in your post.
I apologize. :blushing:

Maybe it is because it was stated as a FACT no Sheffield was in the house that night, to me that means fact not an opinion. Whether you put imo at the end is pretty moot.

[cat3]

We heard awhile back that Ron and Misti went to the fair and got drunk but no proof was ever posted. Now we hear, again with no proof, that he stole a donation jar. I find it funny that the media never got wind of either of these events. We're supposed to believe they are at the fair whooping it up but not one single person got pictures? And we're supposed to believe he stole a donation jar, the police were never called and the media never got ahold of that one either. Hard to believe since they have been in the spotlight for 2 months now.

I know I'm waiting for the LE report on the 'theft' of the donation jar.
And why in the he** is KP emailing/posting to the general public?
Has she nothing better to do? IMO

[cat3]

Sandra Cantu most likely.

Ahh thanks.I've read a bit on that case.Very sad.IMO

[nana6]

Was this post for the Haleigh thread?

I am sure it was. Even though we are on the Haleigh thread when something this big breaks posters let us know.

[JD1974]

That doesn't assure she's making minimum wages.



So what should the judge base child support on? Or should all people who have to pay child support just quit their jobs so their obligation to their child goes away? It has to be based on something and minumum wage is the best they can do. I bet the judge would just drop the whole order if you go tell him you don't have a job..or he may just tell you to get one!

[crwofter1]

I'm having a brain fa*rt today.Who is SC?

Sandra Cantru from CA.
Please don't call the minor name posting police on me.:tonguewag:

[cat3]

Sandra Cantru from CA.
Please don't call the minor name posting police on me.:tonguewag:

Thanks.....I was trying to think who in this case had the intials SC and it confused me for a bit.Hope Sandra is found safe and well.Cute little girl.IMO

[crwofter1]

Was this post for the Haleigh thread?

your point?

[crwofter1]

I am sure it was. Even though we are on the Haleigh thread when something this big breaks posters let us know.

Thank you:ohmy:

[Mimi428]

Hey Tex, I'm in and out reading. I did see your post re: that RC had medical insurance. Question tho, no matter who had custody, wouldn't the health insurance still apply to the kids??

At the time of the custody hearing, it was reported that the children were on Medicaid. Ron told the magistrate that he would be eligible for health insurance to cover the children when he had been employed for 3 months. He did not remark about how much longer he would have to wait.

JMO

[crwofter1]

See you Tex. I going to SC thread, I don't want to offend anyone. My 2 year old is watching "CARS' for the 6th time today. Hard for me to get News time. Be back later:biggrin:

[FoxySly]

Maybe it is because it was stated as a FACT no Sheffield was in the house that night, to me that means fact not an opinion. Whether you put imo at the end is pretty moot.

Yup.

Praying for HaLeigh & ALL her family.

Sly

[FoxySly]

Hey Tex, I'm in and out reading. I did see your post re: that RC had medical insurance. Question tho, no matter who had custody, wouldn't the health insurance still apply to the kids??

Yes, the Children had medicaid which Ron or crystal could use for the Children.
Even if there was an emergency while crystal had them such as documenting abuse. In the court documents it states that Ron was expecting insurance through his job which would get his Children off the state paid insurance but either way the Children were covered.

Sly

~

[Texas48]

I know I'm waiting for the LE report on the 'theft' of the donation jar.
And why in the he** is KP emailing/posting to the general public?
Has she nothing better to do? IMOWith respect cat..is KP doing anthing illegal..??:confused:

[Texas48]

Hey Tex, I'm in and out reading. I did see your post re: that RC had medical insurance. Question tho, no matter who had custody, wouldn't the health insurance still apply to the kids??
Your most likely right bully. In some cases the employer will deduct certain amount from employees paycheck to cover ins. Employee can elect to do it that way even if..say Crystal had custody. Judge can order the parent that is working to also pay the cost for health ins. even tho other has custody. IIt can be worked out many different ways. Judge could also order the parent that does not have custody to pay the health ins. coverage even tho they dod not have a job. I have also said the best way to get a divorce is NOT to get attorneys involved and work out all the details out between the parents. This works as I am proof..No fighting..always civil..respectful..after all.the children were NOT a faught..there was love there when kids were concieved and should still be love there after a divorce..even if its for the children's sake.jmo of course.

[Kelly3820]

With respect cat..is KP doing anthing illegal..??:confused:



No she is doing what any good lawyer does and that is getting the attention and focus off her client and putting it on somebody else. She is making this a custody case instead of WHERE IS HALEIGH? Is this good for Haleigh? NO! But this is is good for her client. That is who KP works for CYRSTAL.

[Texas48]

Thanks.....I was trying to think who in this case had the intials SC and it confused me for a bit.Hope Sandra is found safe and well.Cute little girl.IMOI have really bad vibes about this little girl...Right now all I can do is think about her mother.

[Texas48]

See you Tex. I going to SC thread, I don't want to offend anyone. My 2 year old is watching "CARS' for the 6th time today. Hard for me to get News time. Be back later:biggrin:be right here somewhere kiddo.

[cat3]

With respect cat..is KP doing anthing illegal..??:confused:

Sorry if you had posted a while ago.I was back reading posts I had missed.
I'm not even sure how this information about Ron and the donation jars came about.
Did KP email someone and then the email was posted,or did KP actually post on the board?
I'm not saying KP did anything illegal,but I find it strange that KP would email a stranger about Ron's supposedly stealing a donation jar.What is her motivation? Did KP know that the email would be posted,or did she feel it would be a private communication? IMO

[CelticDawn]

I feel the same way about Crystal, Misty and Chad

the whole lot of them set off my hinkymeter! That IMO is a scary group of people.

I just hope for the sake of Haleigh and all of the children involved that I am wrong.

[crwofter1]

WHAT???? I was not trying to make a point. I was asking a question. I could not figure out the intials, so I was asking if it was for the Haleigh thread.

Sorry apple
I'm beside myself with this newsbreak, the have a Corners truck there at the site, and flagging the ground, and it just isn't looking good, I get carried away when it involves any child, I thought you meant that I shouldn't be posting another child on this thread. I'm going crazy.:w00t:

[nana6]

I have really bad vibes about this little girl...Right now all I can do is think about her mother.

Boy I am with you on this one. For some reason I have felt this way from the start.

[nana6]

bbl guys:smile:

[crwofter1]

Sorry if you had posted a while ago.I was back reading posts I had missed.
I'm not even sure how this information about Ron and the donation jars came about.
Did KP email someone and then the email was posted,or did KP actually post on the board?
I'm not saying KP did anything illegal,but I find it strange that KP would email a stranger about Ron's supposedly stealing a donation jar.What is her motivation? Did KP know that the email would be posted,or did she feel it would be a private communication? IMO

It's my fault
I had a DA attack, and copied a post from WS, that contained alleged information from Crystals Attorney in the form of a email. In the email Crystals Attorney stated RC took a jar of Donations, and Crystals camp called the police, and the police couldn't do anything, because HC is his child also. If anyone else read it, and cares to elaborate. Feel free, along as nobody gets in troble for a mistake I made by putting the information here from another site.:sneaky:

[cat3]

Kim Picazio is doing absolutely nothing illegal. She was asked questions in an email and she responded.

I didn't say anything about it being illegal.I didn't see the email or posting.

I believe the PL where this was posted (according to the poster here that first posted the info) is called the rumor section by various members,yes? IMO

I'm not a member,but do read the section that is open to the public.IMO

[cat3]

It's my fault
I had a DA attack, and copied a post from WS, that contained alleged information from Crystals Attorney in the form of a email. In the email Crystals Attorney stated RC took a jar of Donations, and Crystals camp called the police, and the police couldn't do anything, because HC is his child also. If anyone else read it, and cares to elaborate. Feel free, along as nobody gets in troble for a mistake I made by putting the information here from another site.:sneaky:

Hmmm.Interesting.So KP just threw that in about the donations or someone asked if Ron had stolen donations.Again wondering about the motives of KP. By the way,crwofter...don't answer. I don't want to get us into trouble posting about stuff that goes on elsewhere.Maybe we can sneak by this time.lol. IMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

It's my fault
I had a DA attack, and copied a post from WS, that contained alleged information from Crystals Attorney in the form of a email. In the email Crystals Attorney stated RC took a jar of Donations, and Crystals camp called the police, and the police couldn't do anything, because HC is his child also. If anyone else read it, and cares to elaborate. Feel free, along as nobody gets in troble for a mistake I made by putting the information here from another site.:sneaky:


Say what?!

Ron took donations from Crystal?

I suppose nothing illegal there if the donations were for Haleigh's search but why would he do that?

:confused:

[CANDYKISSES]

Sorry if you had posted a while ago.I was back reading posts I had missed.
I'm not even sure how this information about Ron and the donation jars came about.
Did KP email someone and then the email was posted,or did KP actually post on the board?
I'm not saying KP did anything illegal,but I find it strange that KP would email a stranger about Ron's supposedly stealing a donation jar.What is her motivation? Did KP know that the email would be posted,or did she feel it would be a private communication? IMO

It was presented here as someone emailing asking questions about the legality of the donation collection. Then allegedly said poster was told to call KP in an email (allegedly from KP). Oh and allegedly RC had a right to the jar, hence the beginning of a new form of collecting donations that wouldn't involve the CUSTODIAL PARENT IIRC. But again you are relying on GOD KNOWS HOW MANY DIFFERENT VERSIONS of hearsay by that time and none of us know if, when and how this happened.

Then comes the tricky part where you are relying on ONE PERSON's INTERPRETATION OF said phone call and them relaying it as they took it IMO.

Maybe KP will find a way to get herself situated on REALITY CABLE IMOO and give a shout out to posters and confirm this. :sneaky: JMO and nothing more.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Sorry apple
I'm beside myself with this newsbreak, the have a Corners truck there at the site, and flagging the ground, and it just isn't looking good, I get carried away when it involves any child, I thought you meant that I shouldn't be posting another child on this thread. I'm going crazy.:w00t:


Oh my .. that is not looking very good

[CelticDawn]

Issues is CLAIMING to have something new about this "Man claiming to have had a relationship with Misty"


same Greg guy...??? I wish that somebody would come up with something that will help FIND Haleigh instead of all the gossip....because ALL OF THE STUFF that has come out in the 'investigation" amounts to a big pile of festering gossip...from all sides....

[Mimi428]

No she is doing what any good lawyer does and that is getting the attention and focus off her client and putting it on somebody else. She is making this a custody case instead of WHERE IS HALEIGH? Is this good for Haleigh? NO! But this is is good for her client. That is who KP works for CYRSTAL.

How much media coverage do you think this case would have gotten in the past week or so, if Crystal has not been offered the services of KP & Cobra the PI? How much coverage do you think it would be getting if the Sheffields & the Cummings factions were getting along famously, instead of feuding?

I believe the coverage on this case would have dropped to essentially zero on the national level, if the above had occurred. The only thing that keeps this story in the current news cycle is the ability of the media to point to one eyebrow-raising tidbit or another.

I don't have to like the less than admirable details we have been finding out about one party or another, but I do recognize that without them, we wouldn't be hearing about this case at all.

JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Issues is CLAIMING to have something new about this "Man claiming to have had a relationship with Misty"


same Greg guy...??? I wish that somebody would come up with something that will help FIND Haleigh instead of all the gossip....because ALL OF THE STUFF that has come out in the 'investigation" amounts to a big pile of festering gossip...from all sides....

The absolute truth from Misty about the events of that night sure would be a big help

[CANDYKISSES]

Issues is CLAIMING to have something new about this "Man claiming to have had a relationship with Misty"


same Greg guy...??? I wish that somebody would come up with something that will help FIND Haleigh instead of all the gossip....because ALL OF THE STUFF that has come out in the 'investigation" amounts to a big pile of festering gossip...from all sides....

Yup heaven forbid we might start getting them to speak with LE and hound them as they do these other people. IE, how about finding out exactly where they are with the TIME LINE AT THIS POINT? Or even asking LE if they have cleared any other members of the family? Maybe even a question concerning whether it has been verified whether or not Ron was at the job site for the entire time?

A few little tidbits here and there might be nice since there seem to be no real searches IMOO.:thumbup:

[CANDYKISSES]

So Ron being the custodial parent had a right to the donations and it gets switched in the re-telling that he stole the donation from Crystal.....Wow. If only Crystal had a decent person looking out for her best interests.KP is a lot of hype and drama in my opinion.

Allegedly the Crystal Camp needed LE to confirm whether or not Ron was permitted to take the money from the jar.

I think she is proficient at spinning and twisting whilst walking that fine line between credible and TOTALLY UNCREDIBLE AND PREPOSTEROUS in her allegations.:rolleyes:

For instance, if you believe any of the rumors of said conversation, Crystal thought she was having child support deducted from her pay since others she worked with had theirs deducted. :biggrin:Okay, having an idea of the kind of low salary she's probably working for, do you know anybody that wouldn't know if something was being deducted from their pay?

I can't help but feel KP thought this would turn her into a reality show star lawyer, kind of like when Judge Larry handled the AN Smith case with the added flair and drama IMO. It seems that there are many people out there trying to get a gig on TV IMO. :confused:

[Texas48]

Sorry if you had posted a while ago.I was back reading posts I had missed.
I'm not even sure how this information about Ron and the donation jars came about.
Did KP email someone and then the email was posted,or did KP actually post on the board?
I'm not saying KP did anything illegal,but I find it strange that KP would email a stranger about Ron's supposedly stealing a donation jar.What is her motivation? Did KP know that the email would be posted,or did she feel it would be a private communication? IMONo biggie..I get lost many times when I try and go backwards to play catch up...I honestly have no clue how all the KP and emails or whatever was said nor do I care what they do. I find it difficult to think an attorney would have that much *free time*...as for the donation jar..I never got into a conversation about it..I think..only think I read that it was(the jar) was taken out of Crystal's tent or bungalow or cabana..where ever she was staying. There may have been another..I just do not know..

[Texas48]

It's my fault
I had a DA attack, and copied a post from WS, that contained alleged information from Crystals Attorney in the form of a email. In the email Crystals Attorney stated RC took a jar of Donations, and Crystals camp called the police, and the police couldn't do anything, because HC is his child also. If anyone else read it, and cares to elaborate. Feel free, along as nobody gets in troble for a mistake I made by putting the information here from another site.:sneaky:We ALL learn as we go...

[FoxySly]

So Ron being the custodial parent had a right to the donations and it gets switched in the re-telling that he stole the donation from Crystal.....Wow. If only Crystal had a decent person looking out for her best interests.KP is a lot of hype and drama in my opinion.


Actually it's worse then that.
Snippets:
Baker County deputies have charged a janitor with stealing reward money collected by school bus drivers for information in Haleigh Cummings' disappearance.

Investigators charged Jeremy D. Leonard, 23, with grand theft after a school official reported the money missing March 4. An arrest report said deputies recovered the money after confronting Leonard.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-03-12/story/deputies_charge_janitor_with_stealing_reward_money _in_haleigh_cumm

Untruths brought over here as truths.

Sly

~

[cat3]

Allegedly the Crystal Camp needed LE to confirm whether or not Ron was permitted to take the money from the jar.

I think she is proficient at spinning and twisting whilst walking that fine line between credible and TOTALLY UNCREDIBLE AND PREPOSTEROUS in her allegations.:rolleyes:

For instance, if you believe any of the rumors of said conversation, Crystal thought she was having child support deducted from her pay since others she worked with had theirs deducted. :biggrin:Okay, having an idea of the kind of low salary she's probably working for, do you know anybody that wouldn't know if something was being deducted from their pay?

I can't help but feel KP thought this would turn her into a reality show star lawyer, kind of like when Judge Larry handled the AN Smith case with the added flair and drama IMO. It seems that there are many people out there trying to get a gig on TV IMO. :confused:

Shame she has to get there off the backs of Crystal,Haleigh and Jr.IMO
I read that in spite of NG's glowing reports on what a great attorney KP is that she has some money woes of her own to contend with.No links so... JMO
That is kind of what I meant about Crystal growing a spine.She appears to be present... but not present.I hope she starts to take more of an interest in her life and what is actually going on around her.Of course she should know if money was taken from her check,but maybe she was just in.....'oh well' passive mode.IMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

On the Record - Greta Van Susteren - February 11, 2009
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html


VAN SUSTEREN: Was the child -- was your daughter missing when she got up to use the restroom, or between the time she got up to use the restroom and returned to bed? Did she tell you that?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I'm not sure. I never asked.



He never asked?!
Wouldn't that the be among, if not the very first thing you would ask?

Sheesh!

(Still reading old transcripts and videos)

[TaraCrazyHair]

Actually it's worse then that.
Snippets:
Baker County deputies have charged a janitor with stealing reward money collected by school bus drivers for information in Haleigh Cummings' disappearance.

Investigators charged Jeremy D. Leonard, 23, with grand theft after a school official reported the money missing March 4. An arrest report said deputies recovered the money after confronting Leonard.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-03-12/story/deputies_charge_janitor_with_stealing_reward_money _in_haleigh_cumm

Untruths brought over here as truths.

Sly

~

The story about the janitor was in the news last month.

I think the reference to yesterday is a different story altogether

[cat3]

No biggie..I get lost many times when I try and go backwards to play catch up...I honestly have no clue how all the KP and emails or whatever was said nor do I care what they do. I find it difficult to think an attorney would have that much *free time*...as for the donation jar..I never got into a conversation about it..I think..only think I read that it was(the jar) was taken out of Crystal's tent or bungalow or cabana..where ever she was staying. There may have been another..I just do not know..

I didn't know much about it either.Some posters here made it more clear as to how it all came about.I have to admit to not taking any claims of KP seriously though.I know some think she is helping,but other than the abuse investigation of Jr.I just don't see it the same way.IMO

[?noanswer]

Your most likely right bully. In some cases the employer will deduct certain amount from employees paycheck to cover ins. Employee can elect to do it that way even if..say Crystal had custody. Judge can order the parent that is working to also pay the cost for health ins. even tho other has custody. IIt can be worked out many different ways. Judge could also order the parent that does not have custody to pay the health ins. coverage even tho they dod not have a job. I have also said the best way to get a divorce is NOT to get attorneys involved and work out all the details out between the parents. This works as I am proof..No fighting..always civil..respectful..after all.the children were NOT a faught..there was love there when kids were concieved and should still be love there after a divorce..even if its for the children's sake.jmo of course.

I agree it is best to work without an attorney IF the parties can get along. In this case, since there was not a marriage and seems the parties were at odds (in-laws on both sides interferring), I think if they had both gotten attorneys and worked it out thru regular court instead of CFS, it might have been worked out to the benefit of both parties. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

BAUER: <snipped to this remark> But police tell us that there was a cinder block there and that apparently about 50 feet from their home, there was a pile of cinder blocks and one of those blocks, they believe, was used to prop open that back door.


<Snipped until later in the interview>

GRACE: Do you know where the cinderblock came from that was propping the door open?

CUMMINGS: Don`t have a clue. I don`t mess with none of that, so I don`t know. I very rarely am in the back yard at all unless I`m washing my car. So it could have came from around my shed. I`m renting. I don`t know if the previous renters had it or what, but I`ve never seen it, I don`t believe.

GRACE: So to your knowledge, you`ve never seen it.

CUMMINGS: Not that I believe. I mean, I may be mistaken and have seen it before, but I know it wasn`t where it`s at now.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html


Another "say what?!"

[FoxySly]

Updated today

At the link provided:
By Jim Schoettler Story updated at 12:40 PM on Monday, Apr. 6, 2009
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-03-12/story/deputies_charge_janitor_with_stealing_reward_money _in_haleigh_cumm

Sly

~

[?noanswer]

Allegedly the Crystal Camp needed LE to confirm whether or not Ron was permitted to take the money from the jar.

I think she is proficient at spinning and twisting whilst walking that fine line between credible and TOTALLY UNCREDIBLE AND PREPOSTEROUS in her allegations.:rolleyes:

For instance, if you believe any of the rumors of said conversation, Crystal thought she was having child support deducted from her pay since others she worked with had theirs deducted. :biggrin:Okay, having an idea of the kind of low salary she's probably working for, do you know anybody that wouldn't know if something was being deducted from their pay?

I can't help but feel KP thought this would turn her into a reality show star lawyer, kind of like when Judge Larry handled the AN Smith case with the added flair and drama IMO. It seems that there are many people out there trying to get a gig on TV IMO. :confused:

RE Wage Garnishement

Usually, a person has to make a certain amount before wages can be garnished. This might not be a requirement for child support, but for debts and other things I know that is true. The law might have changed since I did payroll about 10 years ago. Since CS was working two jobs, she probably did not make enough on either one to get above the mimimum amount before any $ could be taken from her paycheck.

JMO

[Texas48]

I agree it is best to work without an attorney IF the parties can get along. In this case, since there was not a marriage and seems the parties were at odds (in-laws on both sides interferring), I think if they had both gotten attorneys and worked it out thru regular court instead of CFS, it might have been worked out to the benefit of both parties. JMOexactly..I will never understand..PPL fall in love lay down and make a baby....Ppl can go different ways but as far as I'm concerned there is still love..just a different love. I hear ppl claiming how much they LOVE their children and yet fight like cats and dogs..To me..only MO..thats NOT loving or taking the kids into consideration..Just thinking about themselves w/no regard for the kids they brought into this world. And in a case of a missing child the *parents* should unite but it is clear in this case thats never going to happen.

[titanfan217]

Actually it's worse then that.
Snippets:
Baker County deputies have charged a janitor with stealing reward money collected by school bus drivers for information in Haleigh Cummings' disappearance.

Investigators charged Jeremy D. Leonard, 23, with grand theft after a school official reported the money missing March 4. An arrest report said deputies recovered the money after confronting Leonard.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-03-12/story/deputies_charge_janitor_with_stealing_reward_money _in_haleigh_cumm

Untruths brought over here as truths.




Sly

~

That's something entirely different.

[?noanswer]

exactly..I will never understand..PPL fall in love lay down and make a baby....Ppl can go different ways but as far as I'm concerned there is still love..just a different love. I hear ppl claiming how much they LOVE their children and yet fight like cats and dogs..To me..only MO..thats NOT loving or taking the kids into consideration..Just thinking about themselves w/no regard for the kids they brought into this world. And in a case of a missing child the *parents* should unite but it is clear in this case thats never going to happen.


Sometimes they don't even fall in love before they lay down and make a baby!!! Too many times babies are made in the heat of the moment.

Lots of time, the only time the kids are considered is when the parents use them against each other. Poor little children are caught in the middle.

Yes, in this case they should unite until Haleigh is found, then may the best man win!!! JMO

[sleuth]

Talking in the past tense is disturbing, imo. His remark about God tells me ronald may not understand how the jury system works in this Country.

Oh I think he knows, he has just been lucky concerning convictions. My thought is the same about "only God can judge me" Would it not have been more appropriate to put pictures and important phone numbers there? He's quite old enough to hire lawyers to represent him...it's this child that needs every eye, ear and heart to know what she looks like and have a constant reminder to keep that little face fresh with everyone. She - not he is helpless. Reguardless of who is guilty.

[cat3]

Updated today

At the link provided:
By Jim Schoettler Story updated at 12:40 PM on Monday, Apr. 6, 2009
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-03-12/story/deputies_charge_janitor_with_stealing_reward_money _in_haleigh_cumm

Sly

~

I thought of that story as well,and thought maybe there was some confusion on theft of donations,but it sounds as though according to the poster at another board that there was a communication from KP regarding Ron and donations.At any rate I think it was an attempt to put Ron in a bad light,however it came about.IMO
Later,folks.I'm out for a while.

[Squidward]

Oh I think he knows, he has just been lucky concerning convictions. My thought is the same about "only God can judge me" Would it not have been more appropriate to put pictures and important phone numbers there? He's quite old enough to hire lawyers to represent him...it's this child that needs every eye, ear and heart to know what she looks like and have a constant reminder to keep that little face fresh with everyone. She - not he is helpless. Reguardless of who is guilty.

I think so too. Last night I re-watched his "emotional plea", I watched for the first time the Greta interview, and I listened to the 911 call again. I think he knows what happened to Haleigh, I'm not sure if he was directly involved but I really think he knows. Misty clearly knows more than she's telling. All JMO!

[crwofter1]

It was presented here as someone emailing asking questions about the legality of the donation collection. Then allegedly said poster was told to call KP in an email (allegedly from KP). Oh and allegedly RC had a right to the jar, hence the beginning of a new form of collecting donations that wouldn't involve the CUSTODIAL PARENT IIRC. But again you are relying on GOD KNOWS HOW MANY DIFFERENT VERSIONS of hearsay by that time and none of us know if, when and how this happened.

Then comes the tricky part where you are relying on ONE PERSON's INTERPRETATION OF said phone call and them relaying it as they took it IMO.

Maybe KP will find a way to get herself situated on REALITY CABLE IMOO and give a shout out to posters and confirm this. :sneaky: JMO and nothing more.
TY for putting that out there, I can't type today TROBLE! yea, my 1 year old twins are being curtain climbers today:tonguewag:

[crwofter1]

Issues is CLAIMING to have something new about this "Man claiming to have had a relationship with Misty"


same Greg guy...??? I wish that somebody would come up with something that will help FIND Haleigh instead of all the gossip....because ALL OF THE STUFF that has come out in the 'investigation" amounts to a big pile of festering gossip...from all sides....
IMO the stuff we're stating may very well be what LE won't tell us, whatelse do we have but speculative gossip?! AGAIN MO:huh:

[iluvmua]

I maybe wrong but we could see Ron and/or Misty in hand cuffs very soon. Something about Ron/Misty's behavior does not sit well with me.

[Squidward]

I maybe wrong but we could see Ron and/or Misty in hand cuffs very soon. Something about Ron/Misty's behavior does not sit well with me.

From your mouth .....er ....fingers... to LE ears!

[CelticDawn]

Yup heaven forbid we might start getting them to speak with LE and hound them as they do these other people. IE, how about finding out exactly where they are with the TIME LINE AT THIS POINT? Or even asking LE if they have cleared any other members of the family? Maybe even a question concerning whether it has been verified whether or not Ron was at the job site for the entire time?

A few little tidbits here and there might be nice since there seem to be no real searches IMOO.:thumbup:

XACTLY....and ASK the HARD questions.....

IF Ron wasnt at his job the entire time....then SOMEBODY would have to have covered for him....wonder if he is particularly close with anyone at work.

[CANDYKISSES]

Actually it's worse then that.
Snippets:
Baker County deputies have charged a janitor with stealing reward money collected by school bus drivers for information in Haleigh Cummings' disappearance.

Investigators charged Jeremy D. Leonard, 23, with grand theft after a school official reported the money missing March 4. An arrest report said deputies recovered the money after confronting Leonard.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-03-12/story/deputies_charge_janitor_with_stealing_reward_money _in_haleigh_cumm

Untruths brought over here as truths.

Sly

~

Thanks for that Sly. Unreal, eh? So much has happened in these two months, it escapes me anymore. :blushing: JMO

[crwofter1]

I think so too. Last night I re-watched his "emotional plea", I watched for the first time the Greta interview, and I listened to the 911 call again. I think he knows what happened to Haleigh, I'm not sure if he was directly involved but I really think he knows. Misty clearly knows more than she's telling. All JMO!

Does anyone remember in the beginning a rumor, gossip, or whatever it was, but I recall someone saying RC was 75% sure he knew who took HC. I can't remember the details, but if my memory serves me right, I thought Chad over heard him say that. I dunno. I hope someone can tell me if they also have heard that before.:confused:

[CelticDawn]

IMO the stuff we're stating may very well be what LE won't tell us, whatelse do we have but speculative gossip?! AGAIN MO:huh:

I am not complaining about what is being discussed HERE....It just seems that all the NEWS and information we are getting is a pile of gossip....so we really dont have anything ELSE to go on....

<you have 1 year old twins?? I have a 4 and 5 year old that are 10mos + apart....and my cousin has 9 month old twin boys that are a total handful!!>

[TaraCrazyHair]

I maybe wrong but we could see Ron and/or Misty in hand cuffs very soon. Something about Ron/Misty's behavior does not sit well with me.

I may be wrong but i certainly am agreeing with you

Since the latest news fodder is nothing but custody and rumors and tabloid type stuff, I have gone back over and over all the early stuff they had to say because I think that is where most of the story really sits

And the more I read the more I squirm

So much I must have glazed over with my upmost concern being Haleigh but taking a new look, my oh my!

I stall cannot beleive that as of the night of Feb 11th, Ron stated he never asked Misty if she noticed Haleigh was gone when she got up to go to the bathroom/get a drink of water or when she got back from the bathroom/get a drink of water

Now, why in the world would he not think to ask her such an important question?? Unless he already knew the answer ....

[TaraCrazyHair]

Does anyone remember in the beginning a rumor, gossip, or whatever it was, but I recall someone saying RC was 75% sure he knew who took HC. I can't remember the details, but if my memory serves me right, I thought Chad over heard him say that. I dunno. I hope someone can tell me if they also have heard that before.:confused:


That came from when Geraldo was talking to him .. Geraldo told Ron that Chad and Marcus told him that Ron told them during the vigil he was 75% sure who took her

[Themis]

Does anyone remember in the beginning a rumor, gossip, or whatever it was, but I recall someone saying RC was 75% sure he knew who took HC. I can't remember the details, but if my memory serves me right, I thought Chad over heard him say that. I dunno. I hope someone can tell me if they also have heard that before.:confused:
Crwofter1, to answer your question:

Here is a link to that article. It is from February 21, 2009 -- just 11 days after Haleigh disappeared from her toddler mattress on the floor just inside the doorway to the master bedroom.

Crystal Sheffield said that Chad Griffis, her fiance, claims that within hours of Haleigh's disappearance, Ronald Cummings told him and another man named Marcus that he's "75% sure he knows where Haleigh is." And finally, Sheffield says she "knows Ronnie," and when he is shown crying on TV, that he's faking it.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1500722/haleigh_cummings_disappearance_investigated.html?s inglepage=true&cat=9

Please keep in mind when reading this article the date it was written. Some of the 'details' we have heard since then have changed or been updated.

[sleuth]

No one knows that Ron took anything.Some are just willing to take the word of KP.A woman that in my opinion seems mostly interested in causing discord,and getting her few minutes of fame out of the tragedy of Haleigh's disappearance.In spite of her having child protective services investigate the well being of JR,I find the rest of her actions suspect.
She acted as though Greg was new news when LE had interviewed him early on in the case,according to Art Harris.It is thought by some that she brought in Cobra,and every week,or every other week we hear that he is going to break this case open....and still we have nothing.Personally I'm hard pressed to take the woman seriously.IMO
Although I have tried not to judge Crystal,I'm beginning to find it difficult as she continues to play victim and allows others to be her voice,such as KP and Marie.Someday she is going to have to develop a spine and hopefully sooner rather than later.
Regarding the back child support and Crystal's previous accident...didn't she get an insurance payout from the accident,and if so why didn't she try to pay some of the child support out of that? IMO

Does anyone have the article about the wreak Crystal had? In my state and most others hitting another car in the rear end is automaticly your fault. I'm wondering if it was considered her fault, why would she recieve money from the wreck.Confused.

[Squidward]

Does anyone have the article about the wreak Crystal had? In my state and most others hitting another car in the rear end is automaticly your fault. I'm wondering if it was considered her fault, why would she recieve money from the wreck.Confused.

The wreck she had from before Haleigh vanished? I have not seen any report about that, so I have no idea if she got any kind of money for it.

[Themis]

Does anyone have the article about the wreak Crystal had? In my state and most others hitting another car in the rear end is automaticly your fault. I'm wondering if it was considered her fault, why would she recieve money from the wreck.Confused.
Sleuth, to respond to your question here are the three (3) links to articles about Crystal's auto accident of March 30, 20009.
They are listed in the same order as they appeared.
It is interesting to note the discrepancies.

1. Monday, 3-30-09, Matt Shaffer

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...hs_mom_seizure


2. Monday, 3-30-09, Orlando News

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19049608/detail.html#-


3. Thursday, 4-02-09, Art Harris

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/02/...eck/#more-1443

[bookie]

Does anyone have the article about the wreak Crystal had? In my state and most others hitting another car in the rear end is automaticly your fault. I'm wondering if it was considered her fault, why would she recieve money from the wreck.Confused.



She was in another wreck awhile back. that is the one being referenced in the post you quoted.

[Squidward]

She was in another wreck awhile back. that is the one being referenced in the post you quoted.

Is there a link to a report about it? How do we know she received any money from that wreck?

[crwofter1]

I am not complaining about what is being discussed HERE....It just seems that all the NEWS and information we are getting is a pile of gossip....so we really dont have anything ELSE to go on....

<you have 1 year old twins?? I have a 4 and 5 year old that are 10mos + apart....and my cousin has 9 month old twin boys that are a total handful!!>

Hi Celtic
Yea, I have girl twinkies, boy 2 1/2, a boy turning 6 in a week, a boy 18, and a girl 21. I am a older mom that just became a Granny 2 weeks ago.
Lord give me strength, I don't know whether I'm coming or going:ohmy:

[cat3]

Is there a link to a report about it? How do we know she received any money from that wreck?

Sorry Squidward.I don't know for a fact that Crystal received any money for a car accident,but I had read a lot of posts saying that she had.I tried to phrase it by saying "if so" and "IMO" as I really don't know,and haven't actually seen any links about her previous accident.

IMO

[bookie]

Is there a link to a report about it? How do we know she received any money from that wreck?



Nope, no link. I didn't say anything about her getting money.

[Squidward]

Sorry Squidward.I don't know for a fact that Crystal received any money for a car accident,but I had read a lot of posts saying that she had.I tried to phrase it by saying "if so" and "IMO" as I really don't know,and haven't actually seen any links about her previous accident.

IMO

NP... I was just wondering. I had heard about how bad the wreck was, some have seen pics of her car following the wreck I guess through myspace, I haven't and was wondering if there were any news reports out there.

[CelticDawn]

Hi Celtic
Yea, I have girl twinkies, boy 2 1/2, a boy turning 6 in a week, a boy 18, and a girl 21. I am a older mom that just became a Granny 2 weeks ago.
Lord give me strength, I don't know whether I'm coming or going:ohmy:

wow...Yours are spread out like mine....but mine are from 4 to 19...

[cat3]

NP... I was just wondering. I had heard about how bad the wreck was, some have seen pics of her car following the wreck I guess through myspace, I haven't and was wondering if there were any news reports out there.

Yeah....I heard that the pics of the car were bad and it looked like a serious accident,but I haven't even seen those.Also it was said that Crystal was laid up for a while because of the accident? IMO

[bookie]

My bolding

Holy Hearsay! Not exactly straight from the horse's mouth:sneaky:


Almost all of this case is hearsay.

[crwofter1]

Nite everyone
I'm going to watch Gretta, and hope for a update on the mystery container that's a couple miles from Sandra C home. Praying for Little HC:sad:to come home

[titanfan217]

For instance, if you believe any of the rumors of said conversation, Crystal thought she was having child support deducted from her pay since others she worked with had theirs deducted. :biggrin:Okay, having an idea of the kind of low salary she's probably working for, do you know anybody that wouldn't know if something was being deducted from their pay?



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Yea, I've met more than one that would be clueless. They only know what they have to spend.

[bookie]

Excellent point. The wording of it just struck me funny, like the old hair colour commercial - And they'll tell 2 friends, ... and they'll tell 2 friends...and so on ...and so on...


Lol. Very fitting for this case.

[?noanswer]

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Yea, I've met more than one that would be clueless. They only know what they have to spend.

o/t I used to have an employee that would call everyday before payday to find out the amount of her check. It was always the same amount!!! Needless to say, her supervisor had a little talk with her.

RE CS wreck before the disappearance. FWIW, I heard she was awaiting a settlement. Could be a hearsay rumor. JMO

[CelticDawn]

all of these missing children are so sad....we had one here that was lost last week... ...but she drowned in a neighbors pond within 5 minutes or so of walking outside to play.....and all the Parish sherrif can charge the neighbor with was illegal digging of a pond. :sad:

[crwofter1]

all of these missing children are so sad....we had one here that was lost last week... ...but she drowned in a neighbors pond within 5 minutes or so of walking outside to play.....and all the Parish sherrif can charge the neighbor with was illegal digging of a pond. :sad:

Are you serious?! How old? That is so sad. I am going to post the candle site for candles for HC. She only had 3 that was lit up.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Halei
I cry every time I go there
What is it with people, That's the 4th drowning I've heard about in the last 2 months,Two that was 2, the other 3, and the one your talking about. We have a pool, and it scares me. I watch the kids like a hawk.:sad:
Still no word what's in the mystery container near Sandra's home.:cursing:

[?noanswer]

Are you serious?! How old? That is so sad. I am going to post the candle site for candles for HC. She only had 3 that was lit up.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Halei
I cry every time I go there
What is it with people, That's the 4th drowning I've heard about in the last 2 months,Two that was 2, the other 3, and the one your talking about. We have a pool, and it scares me. I watch the kids like a hawk.:sad:
Still no word what's in the mystery container near Sandra's home.:cursing:


I sure hope they have at least let the family know if it is the little girl. If they have not, I think that is mental cruelty. I know it's been at least 5 hrs. since they found the container. JMO

[CelticDawn]

Are you serious?! How old? That is so sad. I am going to post the candle site for candles for HC. She only had 3 that was lit up.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Halei
I cry every time I go there
What is it with people, That's the 4th drowning I've heard about in the last 2 months,Two that was 2, the other 3, and the one your talking about. We have a pool, and it scares me. I watch the kids like a hawk.:sad:
Still no word what's in the mystery container near Sandra's home.:cursing:

:sad: she was 2 years old, and saw a toy near the ponds edge....Mom jumped in to get her out when she realized she had walked out...but the sides were too muddy and slippery and she couldnt get out...It just tears everybody up in our area....This happens MUCH to frequently here. Mom is 22 and had a newborn....and it wasnt like she wasnt watching her...and lots of other people around...The whole tragedy took place over only a few minutes.

[crwofter1]

I sure hope they have at least let the family know if it is the little girl. If they have not, I think that is mental cruelty. I know it's been at last 5 hrs. since they found it. JMO

I'm sick about it, I can't begin to imagine what they're going through.
I just hope she's okay. I shouldn't say that, she won't be okay until she's home. I dunno, my head is spinning, these little kids are just too innocent to be going through any of this nonsense. I'm going to try to get some shut eye.
Night everyone

[Politigal]

Thinking about Misty's actions that night --

A young, 17 yr old girl, isn't generally that comfortable being alone at night....and just going by my own home, my own daughters, etc...there's no way they would have stayed in that house if they awoke to a light being on and a back door being unlocked & open. They would have ran out of that house screaming with cellphone in hand. Or they would have ran out with babies/kids in their arms, to the nearest neighbor's home.

IMO, it is very strange that Misty stayed in the home, and instead, just called Ronald several times.

It's as though she had nothing to fear...

[Squidward]

Thinking about Misty's actions that night --

A young, 17 yr old girl, isn't generally that comfortable being alone at night....and just going by my own home, my own daughters, etc...there's no way they would have stayed in that house if they awoke to a light being on and a back door being unlocked & open. They would have ran out of that house screaming with cellphone in hand. Or they would have ran out with babies/kids in their arms, to the nearest neighbor's home.

IMO, it is very strange that Misty stayed in the home, and instead, just called Ronald several times.

It's as though she had nothing to fear...

IA Misty's actions are very puzzling.

[CelticDawn]

Thinking about Misty's actions that night --

A young, 17 yr old girl, isn't generally that comfortable being alone at night....and just going by my own home, my own daughters, etc...there's no way they would have stayed in that house if they awoke to a light being on and a back door being unlocked & open. They would have ran out of that house screaming with cellphone in hand. Or they would have ran out with babies/kids in their arms, to the nearest neighbor's home.

IMO, it is very strange that Misty stayed in the home, and instead, just called Ronald several times.

It's as though she had nothing to fear...

Keep in mind that Your girls wouldn't be living with a Ronald Cummings at that age either....or any age probably....

these people are certainly uniquely rugged.....I suppose you could call it tough....streetwise....???

[SwFlorida]

O/T but somehow relevant, the body of Sandra Cantu has been found in the suitcase. Godspeed, baby girl.

Hope there is a better outcome for Haleigh.

Wish LE would throw out some information. We need facts!!

[rosieposett]

Thinking about Misty's actions that night --

A young, 17 yr old girl, isn't generally that comfortable being alone at night....and just going by my own home, my own daughters, etc...there's no way they would have stayed in that house if they awoke to a light being on and a back door being unlocked & open. They would have ran out of that house screaming with cellphone in hand. Or they would have ran out with babies/kids in their arms, to the nearest neighbor's home.

IMO, it is very strange that Misty stayed in the home, and instead, just called Ronald several times.

It's as though she had nothing to fear...

Good post. I have puzzled over Misti seeing the back door open and not thinking someone could be inside and hiding in one of the back bedrooms. That would have been my first thought. A cell phone cannot prevent one from being hurt or killed. Get the kids and get out!

I am like you thinking that Misti knew she had nothing to fear. jmo

[Politigal]

Had Misty snatched up Jr and the cell and ran outside screaming....
and Haleigh was found dead in the house later...she would be blamed for that.

IMHO, she looked around (franticly) for Haleigh then tried to call Ron.
He was home shortly after Misty noticed Haleigh gone.

This girl won't be able to get a break until Haleigh is found and the real perp is caught.

And you're right...it still could be a SO who is responsible....

I vacillate between scenarios daily...and nothing makes sense or really fits.

I guess that's the basis for any crime though.....senselessness

...although, I have not seen any reports of Misty waking Junior or holding Junior when Ron arrived home.

[Squidward]

IF there's ever an outcome for Haleigh. 2 months and still no Haleigh. LE may want to take a few lessons from the le that covered Sandra's case, imo.

jmo

IA! I hope LE in Satsuma takes lessons from this team, if they ever find little Haleigh.

My heart is heavy tonight. :sad:

Prayers for Sandra and family, and I hope Haleigh is found soon, hopefully ALIVE and well, but if she's not she still needs to be found and the person(s) responsible be brought to justice.


:rose:

[Squidward]

Had Misty snatched up Jr and the cell and ran outside screaming....
and Haleigh was found dead in the house later...she would be blamed for that.

IMHO, she looked around (franticly) for Haleigh then tried to call Ron.
He was home shortly after Misty noticed Haleigh gone.

This girl won't be able to get a break until Haleigh is found and the real perp is caught.

I see Misty in a totally different way, Misty is all about protecting Misty

after 30 hours of questioning she still has no answers:confused:

[nana6]

I see Misty in a totally different way, Misty is all about protecting Misty

after 30 hours of questioning she still has no answers:confused:

Now let me think who does that remind us of??

[JackiBlu]

I see Misty in a totally different way, Misty is all about protecting Misty

after 30 hours of questioning she still has no answers:confused:

Where do you get that she has given LE "NO" answers? That is so untrue.

JMO

[JackiBlu]

IA! I hope LE in Satsuma takes lessons from this team, if they ever find little Haleigh.

My heart is heavy tonight. :sad:

Prayers for Sandra and family, and I hope Haleigh is found soon, hopefully ALIVE and well, but if she's not she still needs to be found and the person(s) responsible be brought to justice.


:rose:

Just remember what everyone was saying in the Elizabeth Smart case regarding LE and she came home alive.

I don't think you have any knowledge as to what Satsuma LE has or has not done in finding Haleigh. Just because they don't tell the public what information they have doesn't give you the right to say the need to take lessons.

JMO

[aproudmom]

NP... I was just wondering. I had heard about how bad the wreck was, some have seen pics of her car following the wreck I guess through myspace, I haven't and was wondering if there were any news reports out there.

I saw the pictures on her myspace but do not know what happened that was awhile back though

[aproudmom]

IF there's ever an outcome for Haleigh. 2 months and still no Haleigh. LE may want to take a few lessons from the le that covered Sandra's case, imo.

jmo

ITA with you 2 months and nothing new since day 1 other than a wedding and a custody battle..:crying:

[aproudmom]

Just remember what everyone was saying in the Elizabeth Smart case regarding LE and she came home alive.

I don't think you have any knowledge as to what Satsuma LE has or has not done in finding Haleigh. Just because they don't tell the public what information they have doesn't give you the right to say the need to take lessons.

JMO

I for one think all LE agencies need to be trained a little better and I am from a family of LE..I think after this long they would have more we sure know they have not found this child..jmo and they did make a statement that the custody thing was hurting their investigation OK whatever it is keeping Haleigh's face out there..all jmo

[aproudmom]

Where do you get that she has given LE "NO" answers? That is so untrue.

JMO

They have said she holds the key and has refussed to give a right timeline I say throw her but in the slammer and see if she talks..jmo:rolleyes:

[FrankieBones1]

They have said she holds the key and has refussed to give a right timeline I say throw her but in the slammer and see if she talks..jmo:rolleyes:

If I were LE and someone gave me inconsistent statements, I would arrest that person with obstruction. She was seventeen; not seven. Anyone that is old enough to be in a relationship such as that is old enough to tell LE exactly what happened that evening.

A new thread has been started for today.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=351532