Sunday, April 5th Discussion

[FrankieBones1]

New day, new thread.

Here is a snippet and a link to start the day...

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-05/story/family_feud_takes_focus_off_search_for_haleigh
The feud has complicated law enforcement efforts and provided a bitter sideshow with roots that go back years.

"It's not helping," Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said Thursday. "Now we've got lawyers involved. Lines of communication don't seem as accessible."

Hardy said the squabbling is distracting from the search for the 5-year-old girl, who remains missing nearly two months after 17-year-old Misty Croslin, who has since married Cummings, called 911 in the middle of the night to say Haleigh had vanished.

[psbperu]

Hi Frankie:

Thanks for the thread.

Not looking good is it. Too quiet about this missing child.

[FrankieBones1]

Hi Frankie:

Thanks for the thread.

Not looking good is it. Too quiet about this missing child.
I don't have much hope for this poor child.

[titanfan217]

At the end of yesterday's thread, someone was asking about cell phones being tapped.

I don't know for sure, but suspect they can be. I've been warned about using a cell phone while making calls where personal information was given out.

Also, not sure if this was a rumor, but I do remember reading recently that Misty was concerned about her phone.

[FrankieBones1]

Thanks Frankie

I read that link this am. I don't know about anyone else, but I think Sheriff Hardy is copping a bail out, blaming it on the feud. I can't believe a sheriff's dept. would use such a limp excuse for why they aren't being agressive in their investigation. I wonder how the Sheffields and Cummings family feel about that excuse. I'd be at LE's door every day demanding answers. Hardy has been too passive about this investigation, IMO> perhaps its due to his being newly appointed to Sheriff and he doesn't want to make waves.

moo
Yes, they should just carry on regardless of what's going on with Ronald and Crystal. Wish I knew more about that particular police department. What is there track record like? Have they been able to solve similar cases in the past?

Too bad they couldn't force Misty to tell the truth.

[destiny1]

At the end of yesterday's thread, someone was asking about cell phones being tapped.

I don't know for sure, but suspect they can be. I've been warned about using a cell phone while making calls where personal information was given out.

Also, not sure if this was a rumor, but I do remember reading recently that Misty was concerned about her phone.


cell transmissions by themselves go over public airwaves so LE does not need a warrant to do general listening, but to get back records, they do. If they are collecting specific information, In general, they try to have some kind of a warrant to make evidence admissible in court though. In an ongoing investigation, they can listen for information-collecting/surveillance purposes to make their case and narrow suspect fields, etc.

[destiny1]

Thanks Frankie

I read that link this am. I don't know about anyone else, but I think Sheriff Hardy is copping a bail out, blaming it on the feud. I can't believe a sheriff's dept. would use such a limp excuse for why they aren't being agressive in their investigation. I wonder how the Sheffields and Cummings family feel about that excuse. I'd be at LE's door every day demanding answers. Hardy has been too passive about this investigation, IMO> perhaps its due to his being newly appointed to Sheriff and he doesn't want to make waves.

moo

The sheffields and the cummings were supposedly agreeable in the beginning. What turned this so ugly? It got that way before the "marriage", so I don't believe that it was that. It could be because they saw Misty's inconsistencies before she hit the TV and Ron refused to acknowledge them. Maybe the support issues got heated and behind closed doors, Ron is accusing crystal or her invisible fiance. why is he so invisible? The more I hear, the more questions I have.

[bookie]

The sheffields and the cummings were supposedly agreeable in the beginning. What turned this so ugly? It got that way before the "marriage", so I don't believe that it was that. It could be because they saw Misty's inconsistencies before she hit the TV and Ron refused to acknowledge them. Maybe the support issues got heated and behind closed doors, Ron is accusing crystal or her invisible fiance. why is he so invisible? The more I hear, the more questions I have.


What turned this so ugly is obvious. Marie and Crystal's drug and abuse claims made to the media in the early days of this story.

[?noanswer]

The sheffields and the cummings were supposedly agreeable in the beginning. What turned this so ugly? It got that way before the "marriage", so I don't believe that it was that. It could be because they saw Misty's inconsistencies before she hit the TV and Ron refused to acknowledge them. Maybe the support issues got heated and behind closed doors, Ron is accusing crystal or her invisible fiance. why is he so invisible? The more I hear, the more questions I have.

I think this "Hatfield/McCoy" fued has been ongoing since Crystal became involved with Ron when she was 14. Someone upthread brought up a good point. Why didn't CS's mom stop this 9 years ago when it all started before two children were conceived? I think CS's mom is responsible for bringing KP into the mix and then KP brought in Cobra. I doubt after this if the families can ever be civil to each other. JMO

[destiny1]

What turned this so ugly is obvious. Marie and Crystal's drug and abuse claims made to the media in the early days of this story.

Tat drug abuse problem seems to go both ways. Not necessarily abuse, but Crystal does not have custody of those children for a reason, and it is not just the excuse that at the time Ron was not working and had time and a better situation for taking care of them. A non-working father wouldn't normally have custody.

Both sides of these poor childrens' family could use a few lessons.

Grandparents included. What was that grandmother doing out in the woods with that Cobra? There was something wrong there too.

[bookie]

Tat drug abuse problem seems to go both ways. Not necessarily abuse, but Crystal does not have custody of those children for a reason, and it is not just the excuse that at the time Ron was not working and had time and a better situation for taking care of them. A non-working father wouldn't normally have custody.

Both sides of these poor childrens' family could use a few lessons.

Grandparents included. What was that grandmother doing out in the woods with that Cobra? There was something wrong there too.


Huh? Ron was working at the time that he got custody.

[destiny1]

Huh? Ron was working at the time that he got custody.

Thank You. My mistake. at one point, there was a rumor. rumors seem to make up about 90% of what we have about this case.

[beachpatty]

Just checking around for any news, nothing, I see :sad:


Hope everyone's sunday os going good, i sure wish Haleigh's was. Next Sunday is Easter, a great holiday for the little ones, Easter bunnies, Easter baskets, Easter egg hunts, etc.. poor baby girl, it's not looking good for her :sad:

Beachpatty

[bookie]

He got the kids simply because he was employed, thats it, I saw it on the court papers that get posted here everyday. Its not in the papers that Crystal didn't get her kids because she was a druggie, its simply because Ron was employed, thats it.



The judge might not have specified her admitted drug use or her admitted laziness when it came to taking her child, who had been diagnosed with a disease, to the dr but I have no doubt they played a part in why she didn't get custody. As much as those actions are overlooked and/or excused by some on here the court had a duty to take those actions into account.

[bookie]

Wonder if the feud is causing FBI to question all of the dropped charges, I am sure someone will have to answer for that? IMO



If there was no evidence to support the charge then no one has to answer for them being dropped. Police and DA's drop charges all the time.

[Politigal]

What turned this so ugly is obvious. Marie and Crystal's drug and abuse claims made to the media in the early days of this story.

yep, the Geraldo factor

[bookie]

WHY do you think the Judge did not put THOSE "facts" into the court papers if the Judge believed those "facts" to be true?


I don't know why he didn't put them in the court papers. I'm not a mind reader.

[Politigal]

He got the kids simply because he was employed, thats it, I saw it on the court papers that get posted here everyday. Its not in the papers that Crystal didn't get her kids because she was a druggie, its simply because Ron was employed, thats it.

that's not quite the whole picture....the judge took into consideration that Crystal couldn't prove abuse or drug use, and the fact that she admitted she was too lazy to take Haleigh to her many doctor's appointments, *and* the fact that Ronald was employed and she was not.

[Politigal]

on another note....


*If* Misty was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance (& possibly death) - how did she dispose of the body or move Haleigh to another location?

She did not have a vehicle.

[?noanswer]

on another note....


*If* Misty was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance (& possibly death) - how did she dispose of the body or move Haleigh to another location?

She did not have a vehicle.

I don't know what happened to Haleigh and therefore cannot say who was responsible for her disappearance. I also do not put a lot of faith in AH reporting.

Having said all that, there is one person that is mentioned in his story that could have helped Misty. I am not accusing Misty or anyone else in this. JMO

[?noanswer]

The water close to their home has always bothered me. Haleigh does not look too heavy for Misty to carry her that far.

Also, when your Adrenalin is high, it is a proven fact that you can get stronger.

A body will float after a few days (unless it is weighted down, then it would take longer) the body has already floated away, or an alligator ate it. Also TES searched with sonar. Since LE has a lot more information than I and can't figure out what happened, I know I can't figure it out. I feel sorry for LE with all the extra junk that has been thown into the investigation. JMO

[?noanswer]

I don't know FL law, but I do wish they would find something to arrest her on.

Is smoking on Police grounds against the law?

I am not putting smokers down ( I have that horrible habit), but she is underage and if I was LE, I would be looking for anything to arrest her. I do think she holds the key.

I don't know what charges could be brought against someone for smoking, but I think if there is any, it would be a dismeanor and could be resolved with a fine. Once they arrest her for anything, they will give up any rights to question her. I would rather than wait and find out who is responsible before they arrest them.


Found this about Fl teen smokers. There is a lot more infor on the page.

http://no-smoking.org/july98/07-20-98-6.html
Florida Takes Teen Smokers to Court [07/20-6]
Excerpts from FLORIDA GIVES TEEN-AGE SMOKERS A DAY IN COURT
By MIREYA NAVARRO, New York Times [07/20/98]
Once a month for a couple of hours, Judge Steven Shutter of Broward County clears his courtroom of lawyers and defendants to make room for restless teen-agers and their inconvenienced parents for what is known as Teen Smoking Court.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Why should Ron or Misty contribute to JVM gossip? You really think that is why she wants Misty or this WBG on her show, to help find Haleigh????


Nooooo. It's for ratings for her show, but you already knew that! JMO

[?noanswer]

I see your point, but why can LE not still search, etc?

I'm sure they will search any area if they receive what they consider a legitimate tip. But I understand why they don't search for the sake of searching. It boils down to $$$ and manpower. I would rather than use the manpower to analyze the information they already have and investigate legitimate tips. JMO

[Politigal]

A body will float after a few days (unless it is weighted down, then it would take longer) the body has already floated away, or an alligator ate it. Also TES searched with sonar. Since LE has a lot more information than I and can't figure out what happened, I know I can't figure it out. I feel sorry for LE with all the extra junk that has been thown into the investigation. JMO

I really didn't realize about the alligator population on that river and it's especially heavy in the northern section of the river (by Satsuma)

http://www.worldadventuretours.info/wilderness-tours/a-daytrip-on-st.-johns-river,-florida.html

http://www.alligatorsafaris.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=15

http://www.floridafishinglakes.net/st.johns_county_fishing.html

[?noanswer]

When did custody documents get filed? I haven't seen those. KP has asked for CPS to look into child abuse, nothing more, nothing less. Custody is not on the table yet.

moo

Ture, KP says she has not filed for custody, but if the investigation yields grounds for the custody to be changed, she will be filing in a NY minute. JMO

[destiny1]

He got the kids simply because he was employed, thats it, I saw it on the court papers that get posted here everyday. Its not in the papers that Crystal didn't get her kids because she was a druggie, its simply because Ron was employed, thats it.

Crystal may not have been officially labeled a drug user, but in my opinion, she acts the part. I have seen her on television looking dazed and slurring her words somewhat. Or, it could have been her accent. I am not sure.

also, from another post, Misty does not have an attorney. Does Ron?
I can't understand the need for victims family to need an attorney. If a family member lawyers up, in my opinion, it is a red flag. An example would be the Anthony case. I am sure there are others as well, but definite red flag.

Misty has already set off enough red flags for the whole lot of them.

[?noanswer]

Yes, thank goodness someone was looking out for her grandchildren and her daughter. I do not see how anyone, with eyes to see, and ears to hear, can separate the fact of Haleigh gone missing with Ron Junior's safety, at this point. That is my opinion.

I know nothing about Attorney Kim Pacazio, but why, bam bam, do you think it is wrong for Crystal, Junior, and Haleigh to have an attorney? (I word it that way because I see a woman fighting for her son, who is definitely alive, and who, by court documentation, has been fighting for both Haleigh and Ron Junior for some years.)

I'm not trying to be dismissive of your views, I want to understand the mindset of you, and anyone, who think that bringing up the abuse that Crystal believes has occurred with her children is in any way "off topic" regarding finding her daughter, finding the answer to why a precious little girl has vanished.

In thinking about this I've found myself having to work hard to keep an open mind. It's a struggle.

These are just my thoughts and are not meant to cause an uproar, just discussion.



I don't blame anyone for trying to stop abuse of a child. But in this situation, I think it was not the right time to do so. When/if Haleigh's disappearance is resolved then that would be time to go for custody. Shoot, if RC was involved in the disappearance, it would be a walk in the park for CS to get JR. JMO

[bookie]

Crystal may not have been officially labeled a drug user, but in my opinion, she acts the part. I have seen her on television looking dazed and slurring her words somewhat. Or, it could have been her accent. I am not sure.

also, from another post, Misty does not have an attorney. Does Ron?
I can't understand the need for victims family to need an attorney. If a family member lawyers up, in my opinion, it is a red flag. An example would be the Anthony case. I am sure there are others as well, but definite red flag.

Misty has already set off enough red flags for the whole lot of them.



Ron got a lawyer to handle the abuse allegations Crystal, Marie and Kim P were making.

[?noanswer]

Thanks for the info above.......but, what is LE doing now?

They have to interview, search, or something.

I am just disappointed they are trying to lay the blame on the family.

Haleigh needs to be found!

I'm sure LE is doing everything they can to solve this case. I don't think they are so much blaming the family as saying it has turned the focus off a missing child and is now focused on a blame game. All the junk that KP, Cobra, and AH are puttting out in the media was known by LE already. Once that hit the media, people started analyzing all of that instead of thinking of finding Haleigh. JMO

[bookie]

Right. But Ron has nodded out on TV, and has been arrested with drugs such as GHB, heroin, etc, when has Crystal been arrested for drugs?


Let's see if I have this right.


Ron, who denies doing drugs, has been arrested (but not convicted) for possession and that proves he does drugs.


Crystal, who has admitted using cocaine, hasn't been arrested so that proves she doesn't do drugs.

Is that what you are suggesting?

[Politigal]

more on alligators

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator


I'm soooo not into the custody battle discussion

[destiny1]

Right. But Ron has nodded out on TV, and has been arrested with drugs such as GHB, heroin, etc, when has Crystal been arrested for drugs?

One doesn't have to be arrested for drugs to be an habitual user or abuser. I don't know that Crystal is an addict or a recreational user, or an abuser of her own prescriptions, but she sure acts the part. And yes, so does Ron, and so does Misty.
I personally know people who go to work and function, but are still addicts, hardcore addicts of pain killers and tranquilizers, which some painkillers are known as hillbilly heroin. Opiates such as oxycodone and hydrocodone and dulaudid.

[Politigal]

If Haleigh was injured, bleeding or dead, and tossed into the river, could alligators have consumed her?

[destiny1]

more on alligators

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator


I'm soooo not into the custody battle discussion

Politigal, I personally don't want to sound judgemental, but I don't think at this time that either Ron or crystal should have custody. But that is just based on the way I have seen all of them act and comparing it to things I have seen real people I have had to deal with do and how they act.

We have an alligator problem here too.

[?noanswer]

I don't follow your line of reasoning. If we care about Haliegh we care about Ron, Jr. Are you suggesting that a mother should just "hope for the best" in respects to one child (little Jr.), ignoring what she believes to be true and dangerous about Ronald Cummings, Sr?

Human beings are able to do many things at once, and in this case, she would be remiss to wait. This is my very strong opinion.



I knew that was your strong opinion when I posted a reply. But what I posted is my opinion. JMO

[Politigal]

Politigal, I personally don't want to sound judgemental, but I don't think at this time that either Ron or crystal should have custody. But that is just based on the way I have seen all of them act and comparing it to things I have seen real people I have had to deal with do and how they act.

We have an alligator problem here too.

I think the custody battle should definitely be an issue.....after Haleigh is found or her disappearance solved.

[Politigal]

Prior to Haleigh's disappearance....when was the last time Crystal tried to get custody?

Ronald's had custody for approx 2 yrs...right?

If Crystal was truly concerned about the kids welfare, believed that drugs & abuse were an issue, wouldn't she have filed for custody or done more in those two yrs???

[bookie]

When, in the news, were the Sheffields fighting to get the focus off of Crystal and her fiance? I don't remember law enforcement or any reputable news agency implicating them in the disappearance of Haleigh.

I don't understand your closing your mind to the possibility that Ronald Cummings just might be as violent and callous person that he has shown himself to be. Why not look for Haleigh within the confines of the living situation she was in when she vanished?

Why is it all black and white? Human beings are much more complex than that. As always, this is my opinion and is not meant to rile anyone up.









Ron hasn't shown any violence. He has shown the potential for violence against the person who took his daughter. Many of us posting here have shown that potential when saying we'd hurt someone who took our child/ren too.

[Tracian]

Prior to Haleigh's disappearance....when was the last time Crystal tried to get custody?

Ronald's had custody for approx 2 yrs...right?

If Crystal was truly concerned about the kids welfare, believed that drugs & abuse were an issue, wouldn't she have filed for custody or done more in those two yrs???


One would think she would. Not only that if she saw abuse, and took pictures, why not take the child to the ER because then she could have medical documentation that she did have a concern, so much so, that she had her children examined by doctors.

[Squidward]

If Haleigh was injured, bleeding or dead, and tossed into the river, could alligators have consumed her?

It is possible, gators are pretty opportunistic eaters.

[Politigal]

It is possible, gators are pretty opportunistic eaters.

I've been reading that they eat mammals such as antelope, etc. so a small 39 # child wouldn't have been difficult IMO.

And if Haleigh's pajamas were removed prior to, there would be no clothing evidence surfacing in the river.

[crwofter1]

Yes, thank goodness someone was looking out for her grandchildren and her daughter. I do not see how anyone, with eyes to see, and ears to hear, can separate the fact of Haleigh gone missing with Ron Junior's safety, at this point. That is my opinion.

I know nothing about Attorney Kim Pacazio, but why, bam bam, do you think it is wrong for Crystal, Junior, and Haleigh to have an attorney? (I word it that way because I see a woman fighting for her son, who is definitely alive, and who, by court documentation, has been fighting for both Haleigh and Ron Junior for some years.)

I'm not trying to be dismissive of your views, I want to understand the mindset of you, and anyone, who think that bringing up the abuse that Crystal believes has occurred with her children is in any way "off topic" regarding finding her daughter, finding the answer to why a precious little girl has vanished.

In thinking about this I've found myself having to work hard to keep an open mind. It's a struggle.

These are just my thoughts and are not meant to cause an uproar, just discussion.



I agree with you 100%. The way I see it Ron had his chances, and messed up, or he wouldn't have a open case with CPS now or in the past. I think it's Crystals turn to prove that she's changed, I can't even go to the Haleighbug cite w/o crying. I think JR. in the pictures looks genuinely happy with his Mommy. JMO

[sunstar]

Just checking around for any news, nothing, I see :sad:


Hope everyone's sunday os going good, i sure wish Haleigh's was. Next Sunday is Easter, a great holiday for the little ones, Easter bunnies, Easter baskets, Easter egg hunts, etc.. poor baby girl, it's not looking good for her :sad:

Beachpatty

It is really sad, beachpatty. :crying:

[Politigal]

*If* Crystal had paid child support like she was supposed to....Ronald might have been able to afford better or an alternative child care setup.

In alot of states, they refer to dad's who don't pay child support as dead-beat dads.....

You get the drift.

[Tracian]

I agree with you 100%. The way I see it Ron had his chances, and messed up, or he wouldn't have a open case with CPS now or in the past. I think it's Crystals turn to prove that she's changed, I can't even go to the Haleighbug cite w/o crying. I think JR. in the pictures looks genuinely happy with his Mommy. JMO


The children look happy in pictures with Ron as well.

[MrLucky917B]

I think the custody battle should definitely be an issue.....after Haleigh is found or her disappearance solved.

However there is still another child involved that could be in danger.

[Politigal]

However there is still another child involved that could be in danger.

Law enforcement have not confirmed any evidence to suggest that junior is in danger.

And, Child Protective Services have not made any emergency removal of him from the home.

[Politigal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadbeat_parent

[bookie]

I agree with you 100%. The way I see it Ron had his chances, and messed up, or he wouldn't have a open case with CPS now or in the past. I think it's Crystals turn to prove that she's changed, I can't even go to the Haleighbug cite w/o crying. I think JR. in the pictures looks genuinely happy with his Mommy. JMO



Crystal admitted to calling DCF on Ron in the past. Apparently DCF found no problems and/or realized the complaints had no merit and left the children where they were.

Crystal had her chance too. She was too lazy to get out of bed and take her children to needed dr appointments.

[bookie]

*If* Crystal had paid child support like she was supposed to....Ronald might have been able to afford better or an alternative child care setup.

In alot of states, they refer to dad's who don't pay child support as dead-beat dads.....

You get the drift.



True but poor Crystal gets a pass and we shouldn't call her what Ron would be called if the situations were reversed.

[?noanswer]

I agree with you 100%. The way I see it Ron had his chances, and messed up, or he wouldn't have a open case with CPS now or in the past. I think it's Crystals turn to prove that she's changed, I can't even go to the Haleighbug cite w/o crying. I think JR. in the pictures looks genuinely happy with his Mommy. JMO

What has changed about Crystal? She still doesn't have a job. I guess one could say she has another child to support. That is a change.

If KP was really interested in helping CS, she would have quietly came into town and began her investigation. What makes me doubt her sincerity is that she immediately began the media circuit, brought in Cobra who also got all camera time he could and then AH, same thing. I had not heard much from AH since the ANS fiasco, but now he is out in the media too. It just seems too much like a personal agenda instead of an agenda to find Haleigh. JMO

[Politigal]

Punishments in some states for non payment of child support

In the United States, many states suspend an individual's licenses (i.e. driver's license, business license, contractor license) or revoke passports if that individual has significant arrearage in support payments or does not consistently pay support. This authority does not extend to professionals who receive licensure through non-governmental agencies. In 2000, the state of Tennessee revoked the driver’s licenses of 1,372 people who collectively owed more than $13 million USD in child support.[3] In Texas non-custodial parents behind more than three months in child-support payments can have court-ordered payments deducted from their wages, can have federal income tax refund checks, lottery winnings, or other money that may be due from state or federal sources intercepted by child support enforcement agencies, can have licenses (including hunting and fishing licenses) suspended, and a judge may sentence a nonpaying parent to jail and enter a judgment for past due child support.[4] However, on September 4, 1998, the Supreme Court of Alaska upheld a law allowing state agencies to revoke driver's licenses of parents seriously delinquent in child support obligations.[5] And in the case of United States of America v. Sage, U.S. Court of Appeals (2nd Cir., 1996), the court upheld the constitutionality of a law allowing federal fines and up to two years imprisonment for a person willfully failing to pay more than $5,000 in child support over a year or more when said child resides in a different state from that of the non-custodial parent.

[Tracian]

What has changed about Crystal? She still doesn't have a job. I guess one could say she has another child to support. That is a change.

If KP was really interested in helping CS, she would have quietly came into town and began her investigation. What makes me doubt her sincerity is that she immediately began the media circuit, brought in Cobra who also got all camera time he could and then AH, same thing. I had not heard much from AH since the ANS fiasco, but now he is out in the media too. It just seems too much like a personal agenda instead of an agenda to find Haleigh. JMO


Well said! ITA

[royals02]

Does anyone know if LE revealed whether or not any evidence was found on the cinder block that was holding the door open?

[bookie]

Does anyone know if LE revealed whether or not any evidence was found on the cinder block that was holding the door open?



No they haven't.

[?noanswer]

I appreciate and respect that, noanswer. But, will you tell me why you think Junior is safe now, if I am understanding you correctly?

If you want to end our discussion, I understand; I'm not trying to be pushy, just curious.

Thanks, and my opinions again.

Jr is safe now because he still has his GM and GMM and his father to take care of him. Where will Crystal provide a safe haven for him? As I understand it she is living at the Haleigbug headquarters. She has no visible means of support other than donations. She also has a medical problem that needs to be resolved. Just about anyone could walk into there and harm Jr. I also think he would be afraid of all the strangers that come into there.

The only other solution I could think of and I don't think it would be in JR's best interest is to put him in foster care. I think his situation should remain as stable as possible under the circumstances.

JMO

[crwofter1]

The children look happy in pictures with Ron as well.

I'm not trying to start a debate here, I simply said he looks genuinely happy with his Mommy, I never said he didn't look happy with his Father.

[Politigal]

Florida child support laws

http://www.jud11.flcourts.org/programs_and_services/child_enforcement_division.htm#ceq1

The Enforcement Unit works hard to ensure you receive child support payments on a regular basis. Some methods used are:

* Income Deductions - Payments are deducted from the non-custodial parent's paycheck.
* IRS Intercepts - Tax refunds can be intercepted to collect delinquent child support.
* Lottery Intercepts - Winnings of $600 or more from the Florida Lottery can be intercepted to pay delinquent child support.
* Liens - In certain cases, courts can place liens on real estate and personal property for non-payment of child support.
* Consumer Reporting Agencies - Information about delinquent child support is given to credit reporting agencies, possibly affecting the non-custodial parent's credit rating.
* Suspension of Licenses - Driver's license, vehicle registration, and professional licenses can be suspended or denied for not complying with a court order for child support.
* Referral for Contempt - Court action can be taken if the non-custodial parent does not pay the child support as ordered by the court. He/she could face potential penalties, such as jail time.
* Passport Denial – U.S. passports can be denied if the certified amount of past due support payments is greater than $5,000.



So was Crystal's driver's license suspended for non payment of child supprt or did she perhaps have a "hardship" license?

I'd bet the seizure thing was because she really wasn't supposed to be driving in the first place.

[?noanswer]

So you are mad that KP is making a huge stink about Haleigh and the home she went missing from? SHE IS MISSING! Thats a big deal, its not like a dog is gone, this is a child, Crystal and KP should be livid.

I am not mad, the outcome of this case won't change my life one way or the other. All I am saying I don't think the method they are using is the correct method. JMO

[destiny1]

The mother is concerned. This matters, in my opinion.


I am not so sure I know exactly why the mother is concerned, despite why she claims to be, but If I were a mother that had nothing to do with the disappearance of my daughter, I would be concerned because my child was in the presence of Misty. I would see those inconsistencies in Mystys statements as red flags. Because My daughter disappeared while in Mistys care, I would be very concerned about my son being anywhere near her.

[MrLucky917B]

Law enforcement have not confirmed any evidence to suggest that junior is in danger.

And, Child Protective Services have not made any emergency removal of him from the home.

LE hasn't confirmed "any" evidence in this case that does not mean Jr isn't in danger.

[crwofter1]

What has changed about Crystal? She still doesn't have a job. I guess one could say she has another child to support. That is a change.

If KP was really interested in helping CS, she would have quietly came into town and began her investigation. What makes me doubt her sincerity is that she immediately began the media circuit, brought in Cobra who also got all camera time he could and then AH, same thing. I had not heard much from AH since the ANS fiasco, but now he is out in the media too. It just seems too much like a personal agenda instead of an agenda to find Haleigh. JMO

Well for starters, Crystal openly admitted to doing drugs in the past, Ronnie Boy bold faced lied to GR.

[?noanswer]

Well for starters, Crystal openly admitted to doing drugs in the past, Ronnie Boy bold faced lied to GR.


GR is lucky the only thing that RC did to him was lie!!! If he did lie. I think GR asked him if he was doing drugs, not if he had done drugs. JMO

[destiny1]

Well for starters, Crystal openly admitted to doing drugs in the past, Ronnie Boy bold faced lied to GR.

So she admitted it. Admitting it does not make being a drug user any worse than lying about it. We have had to let these admitted straight-up drug users go from my familys businesses and from my place of employment as well. And we do not know that Crystal tells the truth about other things any more than Misty, who obviously doesn't.

[?noanswer]

Excellant question. Ron did seem obsessed about that lock didn't he?


Usually, when one moves into a new residence, the owner/realtor will advise that the locks should be changed. If LE gives advise about home safety that is one of the things they will say, also. JMO

[Politigal]

Excellant question. Ron did seem obsessed about that lock didn't he?

what "obsession" ?

You move into a rental home and for security reasons you install a different lock.

Normally, the landlord installs different locks in their rental properties in between tenants, but perhaps in this case they had not.

[?noanswer]

what "obsession" ?

You move into a rental home and for security reasons you install a different lock.

Normally, the landlord installs different locks in their rental properties in between tenants, but perhaps in this case they had not.

Sometimes they will offer to pay for the materials and take some money off the rent if the tenant will do the work. JMO

[Tracian]

Laci Peterson looked happy in her photos too.


Read the post I commented to, the poster said that Jr. looks happy with Crystal...well, they look happy with Ron too.

[Politigal]

GR asked if he'd ever done drugs, and Ron looking all stoned said,"NEVER".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_xDcKBGXb8

Geraldo asked Ron if he does drugs -- Ronald responds "I don't do drugs."

Geraldo asked Ron if he was involved in the drug trade - with plants and bricks of marijuana all over the house -- Ronald denies the allegations.

[destiny1]

GR asked if he'd ever done drugs, and Ron looking all stoned said,"NEVER".

Frankly, GR doesn't deserve a truthful answer. He was there to stir the pot. no other reason.

Ron did look stoned in that interview, though. So has crystal on several occasions, but she just happened to admit it.

[MrLucky917B]

Frankly, GR doesn't deserve a truthful answer. He was there to stir the pot. no other reason.

Ron did look stoned in that interview, though. So has crystal on several occasions, but she just happened to admit it.

If GR and others didn't stir the pot Haleigh would be just another missing child like so many others in the country right now.

[?noanswer]

If GR and others didn't stir the pot Haleigh would be just another missing child like so many others in the country right now.

It doesn't matter who has stirred the pot, Haleigh is still a missing child. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

If GR and others didn't stir the pot Haleigh would be just another missing child like so many others in the country right now.


Sadly....it hasn't helped to find her :sad:

[Politigal]

If GR and others didn't stir the pot Haleigh would be just another missing child like so many others in the country right now.

she still is.....

[Politigal]

We also have Ron who has fathered three illegitmate children, one we know he does not support.

moo

has it been proven thru paternity testing that he is the father of the third child?


And at least he took responsibility to support the two that are definitely his. A real plus IMO.

[?noanswer]

* I would be committing malpractice if I didn't report the alledged abuse to the proper authorities.*

http://fav.or.it/post/1264140/haleigh-cummings-update-26-march


If that was her motive, then she could have done it quietly without all the media frenzy. In fact, had she done it quietly, she could have blindsided Ron before he had time to respond. JMO

[nanieliz]

Because the records speak for themself........

geeeee,like ron's record? :thumbup:

bambam we all understand no matter what is put on here if it's not in ron's favor it's just not true? isn't that your take on this case?:ohmy:

so,if it comes out that ron did have a hand in haleigh missing? what are u going to write...crystal still caused it.

the record does speak for itself...they all are or were doing drugs!


nanieliz----jmo

[Tracian]

* I would be committing malpractice if I didn't report the alledged abuse to the proper authorities.*

http://fav.or.it/post/1264140/haleigh-cummings-update-26-march

Fair enough, but why then go to the media?

[?noanswer]

Perhaps Kim's reason is not to *blindside Ron*, but to be reassured that Junior is not at risk. Ya think that's a possibilty?

Wear Crystal's shoes for a moment, your daughter can't be found, a 17 yr old kid is not forthcoming about the night in question, would you just stand by and not try to make sure your son is safe? If any mom stood by under the present circumstances I would label them negligent.

moo

What I am trying to say, she could have accomplished the same results, had she gone about it quietly. She put the pictures out there, it gave Ron a chance to rebut her pictures and make her look bad. She was trying her case in the court of public opinion. I think it is better to try it in the real courts. JMO

[Texas48]

*If* Crystal had paid child support like she was supposed to....Ronald might have been able to afford better or an alternative child care setup.

In alot of states, they refer to dad's who don't pay child support as dead-beat dads.....

You get the drift.Am I understanding you correctly...*IF* Ron had money he would have *hired* a reliable babysitter and Misty would have Never come into the picture? Do you think Ron loves Misty?

[?noanswer]

No. The pic on Rons website, that shows nov 14, thats a week after Haleighs accident and her face is no where as beat up as it is in the pics Ron said were from an accident in school.


As I poster earlier, the outcome of this saga will in no way change my life. I think this fueding between the families has been going on before any of the children were even born. The only difference now is that one of the children is missing and the focus has been removed from finding her and placed right back on fueding. JMO

[Politigal]

Am I understanding you correctly...*IF* Ron had money he would have *hired* a reliable babysitter and Misty would have Never come into the picture? Do you think Ron loves Misty?

no, not really

[emdragon]

LE hasn't confirmed "any" evidence in this case that does not mean Jr isn't in danger.

Actually it does. If LE felt in any way Jr was in danger they would see to it he was removed from the home. Period.

[Texas48]

I would like to know why Ron got a new lock on the back door, did he do that for the front door? If he was always checking to see if it was locked...why? He states he himself only used that door twice, so why was he compulsively checking it? Why wouldn't the landlord have changed both locks? What was Ron protecting in the house? I dont think it was kids, I think it was drugs. I wonder if that door had been vandalized at one point and thats why Ron had to change the lock.

jmoYour post brought several things to mind.When this case first started didn't Ron say he installed the deadbolt and he installed it up high so Haleigh would not be able to reach it? When I saw the photo of laundry room and wood door it looked like the deadbolt was just above the regular door knob/lock. I will go back and read what was said. I have often thought Ron was fearful of someone/something. As you stated Ron seemed obsessed with that door and locks...mentioning he always checked that door lock. I think Ron did have a gun which was found in a ditch and now is in the possession of LE. Ron..Misty..Haleigh and Jr. all slept in the same bedroom even tho there was a bedroom for each child. Yes..Ron said Haleigh was scared but that is just what Ron says. Could it have been that Ron was the one scared?

[sunstar]

Who are the other two, Morgan and Chase?

I thought those were Chad's kids, not Crystals. :confused:

[Ice Cycle]

Ha. What has CPS done in the past when Crystal filed complaints? Accepted that using a switch on a toddler was acceptable. CPS has said they were at Ron's residence just in the past year, and as far as I know, it wasn't Crystal's doing. At least, over the course of 3 plus years 4 CPS visits seems quite excessive, imo.

Houston, we have a problem.

Yup, now there's a child no one can find, and a possibilty she never will be.

Shame on Fla. CPS, they failed another child again.

moo

Well then I must of heard wrong because I thought it was Crystal who filed the complainant, at least one of them. I don't agree with all the Crystal bashing as if she did not care about the kids why would she even of took them every 2 weeks? I believe their is a whole lot more that is not known as far as their divorce and custody issues goes. Don't know if any of it pertains to Haleigh's disappearance or not.

[titanfan217]

Your post brought several things to mind.When this case first started didn't Ron say he installed the deadbolt and he installed it up high so Haleigh would not be able to reach it? When I saw the photo of laundry room and wood door it looked like the deadbolt was just above the regular door knob/lock. I will go back and read what was said. I have often thought Ron was fearful of someone/something. As you stated Ron seemed obsessed with that door and locks...mentioning he always checked that door lock. I think Ron did have a gun which was found in a ditch and now is in the possession of LE. Ron..Misty..Haleigh and Jr. all slept in the same bedroom even tho there was a bedroom for each child. Yes..Ron said Haleigh was scared but that is just what Ron says. Could it have been that Ron was the one scared?

Earlier Ron made the comment that he had changed the locks so THIS would not happen. Did he think someone was going to take one or both of his children?

[sleuth]

The judge might not have specified her admitted drug use or her admitted laziness when it came to taking her child, who had been diagnosed with a disease, to the dr but I have no doubt they played a part in why she didn't get custody. As much as those actions are overlooked and/or excused by some on here the court had a duty to take those actions into account.

I have read the custody papers, which some confuse as divorce papers, many times. I simply cannot agree employment makes a responcible or trustworthy parent. I also have read the many reasons why Crystal doesn't seem to measure up either.
But in reading the Putnum Co. records I have the hardest time understanding why a judge, g parent or CPS could deem Ron reliable enough to put two innocent children in his care.JMO Lack of money does not make a bad parent nor all the money in the world make a good one. Although it would save the state money.

[destiny1]

We also have Ron who has fathered three illegitmate children, one we know he does not support.

moo

Pot kettle, in their cases.

someone outside of this family needs to look out for the well-being of these children, in my opinion.

[crwofter1]

Does anyone agree that it was an inside job? i think so, First of all, all of Misty's stories, and then Ron talking past tense.

[Politigal]

Meadow, do you have a link for Ron having fathered Amber's child, or is that just an "outrageous without any basis of fact" post by you?

[Texas48]

I am not so sure I know exactly why the mother is concerned, despite why she claims to be, but If I were a mother that had nothing to do with the disappearance of my daughter, I would be concerned because my child was in the presence of Misty. I would see those inconsistencies in Mystys statements as red flags. Because My daughter disappeared while in Mistys care, I would be very concerned about my son being anywhere near her.But do you remember WHO put Misty in the position of caring for these children?

[Texas48]

I think GR could tell Ron was super high...jmoI believe anyone who watched that clip was able to tell.

[Ice Cycle]

I didn't say Crystal never filed a complaint. I believe she has, and has owned up to it.

I agree there is a whole lot we do not know. But keep in mind, there was no divorce as you stated. All these court filings were about
physical custody.

moo

That's right, there is so much brought up about their past it is hard to remember that they were not married. Not that is really matters.
I don't necessarily agree with her timing on this suit, as all thought most adults are capable of doing many things at once, emergency's should take a priority and I am not so certain that she has anymore proof than she did months ago.

[destiny1]

No, Morgan and Chase were born of a legal union.

No need to bring two innocent children into this mess to make your point.

moo

(JP) Morgan Chase.

sounds prestigous.

Those two aren't really in the picture, and right now, neither does their father seem to be either.

Where has he gone?



Or is he busy taking care of Morgan and Chase somewhere?

[rosieposett]

Does anyone agree that it was an inside job? i think so, First of all, all of Misty's stories, and then Ron talking past tense.

Hello all. I cannot see it any other way than it was an inside job. And if Misty is involved (and I strongly think she is) then it is probable that Ron is involved also, even though he insists he was at work. No other scenario fits. No forced entry. Light left on in kitchen. All point to an inside job to me. jmo

[Politigal]

LOL...There's been plenty of links, media reports, etc. re Amber's child. In fact, just this week Amber has been quoted she didn't want Ron having anything to do with her son. Remeber she talked about the soft spot, saying he was disabled.

Your quite transparent to label what I said as *Outrageous*. Calling two innocent children illigimate meets that criteria.

moo

so, in essence, you cannot back up your post.

Just as I thought.

Outrageous! :glare:

[Ice Cycle]

I have read the custody papers, which some confuse as divorce papers, many times. I simply cannot agree employment makes a responcible or trustworthy parent. I also have read the many reasons why Crystal doesn't seem to measure up either.
But in reading the Putnum Co. records I have the hardest time understanding why a judge, g parent or CPS could deem Ron reliable enough to put two innocent children in his care.JMO Lack of money does not make a bad parent nor all the money in the world make a good one. Although it would save the state money.

ITA hear and believe that is exactly what happened. I have known some that it has. She obviously wasn't working at the time and he not making alot so they gave primary custody to him. Usually they don't like to up root a child and change custody, so would it of mattered if she then would of started working as those kids were young and it is not like either had had them more than the other before the custody hearing.

[rosieposett]

How is it so outrageous when Ron admits its possible he has another child out there? This chick does not even want involved money wise, she just wants nothing to do with him, I wonder why??

Good judgment? Common sense? Or maybe she is too aware of Ron's lightning quick temper and his habit of striking out with both fists.

I admire her for attempting to keep Ron away from the child, and keep Ron out of her life. She saw something she did not like about Ron. jmo

[Politigal]

Thank you. :wub:

but didn't you bring Amber's baby into it?

hypocritical doncha think?

[Politigal]

LOL.. I guess you don't believe Misty when she told Ron he *needs to get his son away* from Amber, huh?

moo

it could have been someone babysitting Junior she was referring to.

[Politigal]

Misty was watching Amber's baby, that's how she got to know Ron.

moo

Again, please provide documentation or a link that confirms Ronald Cummings is the father of "Amber's" baby.

thx

[Squidward]

Again, please provide documentation or a link that confirms Ronald Cummings is the father of "Amber's" baby.

thx

according to this report Misty was baby sitting a baby boy for a woman who had a child with Ron. Maybe it's not Amber maybe there is another?

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

[crwofter1]

Hello all. I cannot see it any other way than it was an inside job. And if Misty is involved (and I strongly think she is) then it is probable that Ron is involved also, even though he insists he was at work. No other scenario fits. No forced entry. Light left on in kitchen. All point to an inside job to me. jmo
Someone correct me if I wrong, but when the video showed the bedroom, and little Haleigh's bed was right by the door, how can anyone not see that child missing?! As far as I could see that you have to walk right past her bed on the way out of the bedroom.

[Adalena935]

Your post brought several things to mind.When this case first started didn't Ron say he installed the deadbolt and he installed it up high so Haleigh would not be able to reach it? When I saw the photo of laundry room and wood door it looked like the deadbolt was just above the regular door knob/lock. I will go back and read what was said. I have often thought Ron was fearful of someone/something. As you stated Ron seemed obsessed with that door and locks...mentioning he always checked that door lock. I think Ron did have a gun which was found in a ditch and now is in the possession of LE. Ron..Misty..Haleigh and Jr. all slept in the same bedroom even tho there was a bedroom for each child. Yes..Ron said Haleigh was scared but that is just what Ron says. Could it have been that Ron was the one scared?

Excellent sleuthing. I never thought about that but it rings so true reading it. Thanks for bringing that up. I think you may be right.

[FrankieBones1]

on another note....


*If* Misty was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance (& possibly death) - how did she dispose of the body or move Haleigh to another location?

She did not have a vehicle.
Haleigh didn't weigh much, right? Maybe she was carried or dragged on the blanket to the water's edge.

[CelticDawn]

You know what....????


I personally dont CARE who has what kid at what time....who is or isnt paying their fair share of child support COURT ORDERED OR NOT.....


JUST FIND HALEIGH....ALIVE OR DEAD.....FIND HER...!!!


It has turned into a worse circus than the Anthony case.....and there isn't even a solid SUSPECT in this investigation...!!!


Even the SHERRIF has LOST FOCUS ON HALEIGH!!!....which is where the focus BELONGS...!!! :mad: :cuss:

[titanfan217]

No. The pic on Rons website, that shows nov 14, thats a week after Haleighs accident and her face is no where as beat up as it is in the pics Ron said were from an accident in school.

Thanks for posting this.

Date stamps on a camera can be changed. The one I have now is a little more complicated, but my older one was never right.

Even with the current one, yesterday I took a photo with a November 2008 datestamp.

Even computer file dates can be changed by changing the date on the computer.

[FrankieBones1]

Until Crystal had her debillitating car wreck and became pregnant, Crystal was supporting those children. Her back child support is just for this past year.

moo

I've never heard of a woman having to pay child support before this case. If she could afford to pay child support, why didn't she get custody of the children? Even if she was broke, don't women get custody and just go on welfare? Doesn't the State pay for hospital and doctor visits to those on welfare?

[FrankieBones1]

celtic i agree with you! I dont really care about hearing about the custody. I want to get down to the point of who did what to Haleigh and find her!

I agree. It is important to pick apart the 911 tapes. I think some answers lie within those.

[crymeariver2006]

YES! First reason being no sign of forced entry. How did an outsider get in? How did they know where to go to find Haleigh. How did misty not wake up? So many unanswered questions, but people who should have the answers, imo.

And how did a random outsider KNOW the screen door had to be propped open? Or that the interior door had to be propped or it too would close behind you?

[WhiteShark]

Its still outrageous without any basis of fact.

moo

I don't agree. We KNOW for a FACT crystal is a "dead-beat mom" re: Haleigh and Jr. The poster said "possibly" regarding the others.
crystal is a dead-beat mom, and if for not Haleigh having gone missing, she may have been sitting in jail right now, certainly would not have a driver's license. Ron on the other hand is not a dead-beat dad, no paper work to prove it, just rumor mongers. Ron has never made a false police report either, crystal has.
BTW, why in the world would a mother, with a history of seizures although not on medication, be driving a several thousand pound weapon around with her baby in the car. I hate she was in a wreck, and glad there were no serious injuries, but the minute I heard the cause of the accident, I couldn't help but think she knowingly put her new baby in harms way by driving with a known untreated medical condition. IMOOC

[crymeariver2006]

No. The pic on Rons website, that shows nov 14, thats a week after Haleighs accident and her face is no where as beat up as it is in the pics Ron said were from an accident in school.

And that photo is in the same batch as the school injury photos on Art Harris' site (suppled by Ron's attorney).

[WhiteShark]

Good judgment? Common sense? Or maybe she is too aware of Ron's lightning quick temper and his habit of striking out with both fists.

I admire her for attempting to keep Ron away from the child, and keep Ron out of her life. She saw something she did not like about Ron. jmo

maybe because Ron isn't the father...:sneaky:.........a good possibility. Perhaps others just "assumed" he was.

[crymeariver2006]

But, but, but Crystal swiped a twinkie in kindergarten!!!!

I posted this to you cuz I KNOW you'd get the sarcasm of this type of statement.

I agree with my friends, who cares about the prior custody fight, all that counts is the present and where is this precious little girl!


*Bolding mine

AND she broke-in in the lunch line too!

[5boxersmom]

Been thinking about something. Would the main backdoor have even opened from the outside with laundry laying on the floor? TN said there was usually laundry on the floor and didn't Misty find the pink shirt on the floor in the laundry room? Just thinking out loud here. Maybe the door would open. Heck so many questions.

imo

[Ice Cycle]

And how did a random outsider KNOW the screen door had to be propped open? Or that the interior door had to be propped or it too would close behind you?

See I personally don't think the back door propped open has anything to do with the intruder or her missing.
I think it is possible that the AC guy had the electric off and might be why Misty was in there late doing clothes and maybe had the door property open as she was smoking. She might just not wanted to admit to that or either realized she had left it there and used that as a excuse for a intruder.
It just don't make sense to me that a intruder would leave it open, that door is at the far end of where they were sleeping so it would not be a noise thing.

[FrankieBones1]

Who are the other two, Morgan and Chase?
I hadn't heard about a Morgan or Chase until now.

[aproudmom]

Thanks Frankie

I read that link this am. I don't know about anyone else, but I think Sheriff Hardy is copping a bail out, blaming it on the feud. I can't believe a sheriff's dept. would use such a limp excuse for why they aren't being agressive in their investigation. I wonder how the Sheffields and Cummings family feel about that excuse. I'd be at LE's door every day demanding answers. Hardy has been too passive about this investigation, IMO> perhaps its due to his being newly appointed to Sheriff and he doesn't want to make waves.

moo

ITA with you when I heard this I thought what is he talking about no one was talking in the first place..if all this other stuff was not going on she would be old news by now IMO

[aproudmom]

Your tagline reads:

Nancy Grace said on 2/20/09 "Let's not put blame on the victims!" I agree!

Such harsh statements. Aren't Ron and Crystal victims, along with their abducted daughter? My opinion

yes they are victims I agree.

[Squidward]

Been thinking about something. Would the main backdoor have even opened from the outside with laundry laying on the floor? TN said there was usually laundry on the floor and didn't Misty find the pink shirt on the floor in the laundry room? Just thinking out loud here. Maybe the door would open. Heck so many questions.

imo

You know I have been wondering about that too, I have been looking at the pictures from inside the house and that laundry room is very narrow, and the washing machine is right inside the door. Seems like if there was a pile of laundry on the floor behind the door that was already difficult to open, would only have made it even more difficult to open.

[AlohaRainbow]

I would agree with you meadow, if it was a fact that women were paid on an equal basis with men in this Country.

family courts in hawaii determine the amount of child support the non-custodial parent has to pay based on a formula that takes into account both parents' income. i think it goes by % or something. while all states may not work under the same specific formula, it's my understanding that all states do work off of a formula to calcuate child support.

http://www.divorcelawinfo.com/calculators.htm

[Squidward]

The 911 call was a first for me.

The first I have ever heard a Dad establishing an alibi before he even knew what had happened to his daughter.

*I dunno, I was at work*. It became Ron's mantra for weeks.

moo

I agree the 911 call is very important, especially after I read about analyzing 911 calls and what people say sometimes turns out to be a very important part of what really happened.

[aproudmom]

Again, please provide documentation or a link that confirms Ronald Cummings is the father of "Amber's" baby.

thx

umm I think you know there is not link has be filed for paternity even though he claims he may have another child???NO IMO if I was Amber I would be afraid to have my child near them...jmo

[Themis]

Frankie. its been happening for awhile in our US court system. More and more, women are being subjected to contribute to supporting their children. It is fair, equality and all that. However in Crystal's case, I thought the amount of support Crystal was responsible to pay was somewhat excessive being that she only had a minimumn wage job. Yet it appears she managed to pay it for three years.

moo
You're correct, Meadow. Both parents are responsible for child support depending on who the child is living with; i.e. which parent has residential custody.

As for Crystal being ordered to pay child support for Haleigh and Junior the monthly payment ordered was $323.00 per month for both children. This was based on the Magistrate's finding that her net income was $949.00/month.
So, that works out to be about 1/3 of her income going to child support payments. There is probably a basic schedule that courts follow. That works out to be $10.77 per day for both -- or $5.38 for each child per day. In any event, that is not much child support.

[aproudmom]

family courts in hawaii determine the amount of child support the non-custodial parent has to pay based on a formula that takes into account both parents' income. i think it goes by % or something. while all states may not work under the same specific formula, it's my understanding that all states do work off of a formula to calcuate child support.

http://www.divorcelawinfo.com/calculators.htm

they base it off min wage if you have no job and what ever parent makes the most they figure it in I do not make a lot of money but my sons bio father was ordered to pay less cause I did have a income and I was to pay 60 percent in medical and him to pay 40..go figure I have yet to see a dime in 18 years..oh no wait yeah I got 100.00 when he got put in jail for Public Intoxication from his bond..and no medical but we were better off anyway..jmo..here it is 42.50 a week based on min wage..

[FoxySly]

family courts in hawaii determine the amount of child support the non-custodial parent has to pay based on a formula that takes into account both parents' income. i think it goes by % or something. while all states may not work under the same specific formula, it's my understanding that all states do work off of a formula to calcuate child support.

http://www.divorcelawinfo.com/calculators.htm

crystal's Child support was/is based on minimum wage, it is a little over $300. a month in the court papers.

Sly

~

[aproudmom]

You're correct, Meadow. Both parents are responsible for child support depending on who the child is living with; i.e. which parent has residential custody.

As for Crystal being ordered to pay child support for Haleigh and Junior the monthly payment ordered was $323.00 per month for both children. This was based on the Magistrate's finding that her net income was $949.00/month.
So, that works out to be about 1/3 of her income going to child support payments. There is probably a basic schedule that courts follow. That works out to be $10.77 per day for both -- or $5.38 for each child per day. In any event, that is not much child support.

well I must say she did get a deal if that is all she was ordered to pay but as I said here it is 42.50 a week on that income so it is not her fault what the amount is. I do not think she did a thing to her child because of child support she will still have to pay any back support or they should take it out of her income taxes if she has had a job..very easy as long as the parent works..but you have to go and ask them to take it or they don't care or at least here they don't....jmo

also did he say he had other cost medical or sitter fees cause if he told them he had a free sitter then that could be why it was so low and what his living expenses were he could have had it changed at anytime if he was living at mommys and then moved out and had more expenses...

[aproudmom]

crystal's Child support was/is based on minimum wage, it is a little over $300. a month in the court papers.

Sly

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boy FL must have a very low min wage then..2 kids and that is all are the kids on medical through the state? if so anytime she worked they could have had it taken out of her check weekly..so much of it would have went back to the state and then he would have got a check..so has she not worked then at all?

[aproudmom]

I bet Amber has a tough as nails mom that isn't manipulated by Ron.

jmo

I am sure she is scared to death if her and misty did not get along she may have not filed for paternity because it really does not cost much for the mother to do it 60 buck here and then they order the man to have a swab done it is court ordered.

[CelticDawn]

Haleigh didn't weigh much, right? Maybe she was carried or dragged on the blanket to the water's edge.

seems the dogs went to the water....was a dog taken in a boat into the water to try and pick up a scent....I heard there ARE dogs that can do this kind of tracking.....Does anybody know about this..??

I would say that if she got her to the water...and TES and LE did not find anything in the water....somebody took her away on a boat.....

Do any of these people have a boat???...They are in FL and DO live in close proximity to the water....

[aproudmom]

Why is a lawyer needed for a missing child?? Crystal as far as I know, hasn't been accused of anything, right?? I can see hiring a private investigator and keeping it on the QT, but why a lawyer??

The lawyer came on her own and said she is working pro bono a lawyer does not mean your guilty RC has one...everyone in the Anthony circus has one now..even her ex friends does not mean they killed caylee..jmo

[CelticDawn]

You're correct, Meadow. Both parents are responsible for child support depending on who the child is living with; i.e. which parent has residential custody.

As for Crystal being ordered to pay child support for Haleigh and Junior the monthly payment ordered was $323.00 per month for both children. This was based on the Magistrate's finding that her net income was $949.00/month.
So, that works out to be about 1/3 of her income going to child support payments. There is probably a basic schedule that courts follow. That works out to be $10.77 per day for both -- or $5.38 for each child per day. In any event, that is not much child support.


that is not very much money!!! If she is making minimum wage, then IF she were living alone taking care of her own household, she wouldn't be able to do so though. ...It seems child support would preclude her having a place to live.

[IlliniFan]

At least once a day I hear on Nancy or JVM that people should lawyer up, and is KP a criminal defense attorney? Shes not, so its not like she hired a criminal defender, this is about getting JR away from a promiscuous drug addict step mom who lost her daughter and Ron, who married the child, that is not a good environment for any child.

jmo



Practice Areas: Family/Matrimonial Law(90%); Contracts(5%); Civil Litigation(5%).

snipped...

just an fyi on Kim..


http://picaziolaw.com/jsp3596787.jsp

[sunstar]

Someone correct me if I wrong, but when the video showed the bedroom, and little Haleigh's bed was right by the door, how can anyone not see that child missing?! As far as I could see that you have to walk right past her bed on the way out of the bedroom.

If Misty were on the side of the bed closest to Haleigh's bed, I think she'd notice her not there as soon as she got out of bed.

[Themis]

Well, I guess that depends on your status, we are pretty much in a recession, to some people, that may be a lot of money. Jobs are scarce now a days, she still spent 96 hours a month with her child, probably way more than Ron spent with them.

jmo
Cummings filed the petition for primary residential custody on September 15, 2005.
The 1st hearing took place December 1, 2005. Crystal did not appear.
The Magistrate's report stated that: "A child support guideline worksheet is attached as Appendix A to this Report."
The court ordered that Crystal make monthly support payments to the State Disbursement Unit in Tallahasee, FL.
At the 2nd hearing on December 27, 2005 Crystal appeared with her mother. Crystal's father and brother chose not to appear in court to make their serious charges against Cummings in person; instead submitting written statements ... thereby preventing the Magistrate from eliciting additional information from them.
Crystal had 10 days to object to the finding and ruling but chose not to do so.

IIRC we were not in a recession back in 2005 and that is what all this information is about.

Hayleigh was born on 8/17/03. Ronald, Junior was born on 2/15/05.

A case could be made that since Crystal only has a 10th grade education--as her attorney Kim Picazio keeps emphasizing--she should have been using birth control back in 2003. Allowing for Haleigh not being a planned child then Crystal should have definitely used birth control afterwards and not had a 2nd child in 2005 and yet a 3rd child about a year ago.

[IlliniFan]

Yeah, shes got other partners, unless you want to debate on why Crystal has her on her side. I dont think its criminal, very obvious its a family issue.

I posted her inormation for you. No debate necessary, as I was just trying to help...?

[Themis]

Right, but why go back and pick about birth control, it has nothing to do with Haleigh and her missing, Crystal has the right to have as many kids as she wants, as long as she is not octomomming out on us, I could really care less.

Where is haleigh and why cant Misty tell the truth, and why did Ron marry her, and why does Crystal have to be basically sterilized but Ron is out creating other children himself with children?
If you have been following this thread you might have noted that I initially provided information to another poster (Frannkie Bones, I believe) who said this case was the first time she had ever heard of a mother being required to pay child support. Subsequently my posts about Crystal/Cummings custody and child support issues have been follow-ons.

As for your comment: "...why does Crystal have to be basically sterilized..." I will only emphasize that is your comment. Not mine!

With regard to you asking "Where is haleigh and why cant Misty tell the truth, and why did Ron marry her?" I have been posting on about this very thing since Hayleigh's disappearance. You can do a search on my name and verify that and read my posts.

I am not on the side of either the Cummings nor the Sheffield clan.

I only care about Haleigh. Everyone reading my posts will know that to be true.

[Texas48]

Someone correct me if I wrong, but when the video showed the bedroom, and little Haleigh's bed was right by the door, how can anyone not see that child missing?! As far as I could see that you have to walk right past her bed on the way out of the bedroom.This is just me but when I saw the walk through of the trailer I can't understand how *IF* it was a stranger that came in to take Haleigh how that stranger kept from tripping and falling on Haleigh's little bed. And *how* did that stranger know exactly where to go when said stranger entered the house. I guess that is just how mind feeble mind works.

[Themis]

Themis.

Surely you not meaning that birth control was Crystal's entire responsibilty are you? Seems to me, Ron had some responsibilty as well.
moo
I believe that females and males who engage in consensual sexual activitiy who do not want children have a responsibility to do whatever is necessary to prevent the birth of unwanted children and the birth of children they cannot provide for.

I also believe that since it is the female who gives birth and is often left with the sole responsibility for raising children because of the high percentage of 'dead-beat dads' that they need to protect themselves to the highest degree. It is, after all, their body and they control it.

Both Ronald and Crystal should have heard this from their parents. Maybe they didn't. Both of them likely heard this in school via their sex education classes.

[gogo]

" The A.C. guy" do we know if it was just a window air conditioner? why an A.C. guy? for a shot of freeon?. does the trailer home have central air conditioner? and also
what news can there possibly be other than Haleigh was found. It would be all over tv. We seem to be focusing on a family saga. who married who, who slept with who, who works, but it has nothing to do with the kidnapping of Haleigh.
Caylee was found 6 months after she went missing, equasearch, this search that search....chandra Levy, a year later. it is just an enormous expectaton. I am afraid history will repeat itself and that is when we will find Haleigh. . I have nothing to say or care about this family, a new on line Reality Show. I hate REAlity shows . lol

[Texas48]

So calling her kids brats is just unthinkable? My sons aunt used to call him poop head, call cps.I will not make a list of all the names I call my grandchildren. Someone just might call cps on me....lol..Names more than bratts..:tonguewag::wub:love one and all my 7 little weasles..

[Texas48]

well why would you call your kids brats in your profile?being silly on ..myspace.

[CelticDawn]

This is chilling.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=usMapSearch&missState=FL&searchLang=en_US

Very!!

I wonder how many are victims of the same perp?....I'd like to see the reports....

Sad AND scary!!!

[Themis]

This is just me but when I saw the walk through of the trailer I can't understand how *IF* it was a stranger that came in to take Haleigh how that stranger kept from tripping and falling on Haleigh's little bed. And *how* did that stranger know exactly where to go when said stranger entered the house. I guess that is just how mind feeble mind works.
No, Texas ... that is not a sign of a feeble mind. If it is then I have one also!
That toddler's mattress was placed on the floor just inside the door of the master bedroom. There were 2 other bedrooms, one for each child ostensibly.
So, we ask ourselves: how in the heck was a stranger -abductor who knew nothing of the sleeping arrangements that night know not to trip over Haleigh. Instead, he/she stopped right at the threshold and lifted a sleeping child weighing 40 pounds. Odd, isn't it?

[Squidward]

No, Texas ... that is not a sign of a feeble mind. If it is then I have one also!
That toddler's mattress was placed on the floor just inside the door of the master bedroom. There were 2 other bedrooms, one for each child ostensibly.
So, we ask ourselves: how in the heck was a stranger -abductor who knew nothing of the sleeping arrangements that night know not to trip over Haleigh. Instead, he/she stopped right at the threshold and lifted a sleeping child weighing 40 pounds. Odd, isn't it?

Right and it's just one of the very odd details in this case that just don't add up.

[Texas48]

No but she dont seem to talk bad about the kids and its like the truth came out in the profile about them and now shes all crying for them.With respect baby..how many myspace profiles have u read? NOT trying to get an argument started..I promise. I have read a few and I know some are lies..some are funny...some are just...what is the word to describe myspace? HELP me out here.

[Texas48]

Haleigh didn't weigh much, right? Maybe she was carried or dragged on the blanket to the water's edge.Or wrapped up in the blanket?

[Texas48]

LMAO:wub:I call mine ankle bitters I like that name..gonna have to save that one in my stack..What about rug rats?:wub:

[Themis]

Right and it's just one of the very odd details in this case that just don't add up.
There is so much that doesn't add up, Squid.

Starting with the 911 phone call. My hinky meter went off the very first time I heard it and then read the transcript.

[titanfan217]

This is just me but when I saw the walk through of the trailer I can't understand how *IF* it was a stranger that came in to take Haleigh how that stranger kept from tripping and falling on Haleigh's little bed. And *how* did that stranger know exactly where to go when said stranger entered the house. I guess that is just how mind feeble mind works.


Not feeble -- logical.

If the original story had made sense (and remember he/she came through a locked door), most of the inconsistencies would not have mattered.

Add to it, have you tried to pick up a sleeping child from the floor? I just remember I was trying to carry my sleeping grandson up the steps & lost my balance, and he was 2 or less.

[Texas48]

OH well that is a real nice thing to say on your profile about your kids let me tell you, if she had any respect for them! It doesn't show much of her for calling Haleigh and Jr that!:ohmy:That OK baby..you are certainly entitled to your opinion. :wub:

[Themis]

Haleigh didn't weigh much, right? Maybe she was carried or dragged on the blanket to the water's edge.
Hayleigh weighs 40 pounds. That is what I have read.

Dragged to the water's edge? There would have been drag marks found by LE who did a massive search as soon as the sun was up.

IIRC, MrLucky, a poster who lives in Florida, has stated the St. John's river is a 2 mile walk from that mobile home park.

[titanfan217]

" The A.C. guy" do we know if it was just a window air conditioner? why an A.C. guy? for a shot of freeon?. does the trailer home have central air conditioner? and also
what news can there possibly be other than Haleigh was found. It would be all over tv. We seem to be focusing on a family saga. who married who, who slept with who, who works, but it has nothing to do with the kidnapping of Haleigh.
Caylee was found 6 months after she went missing, equasearch, this search that search....chandra Levy, a year later. it is just an enormous expectaton. I am afraid history will repeat itself and that is when we will find Haleigh. . I have nothing to say or care about this family, a new on line Reality Show. I hate REAlity shows . lol


From everything I read, it was central air & probably a combo heat/air unit.

I'm in Central Illinois & questioned air conditioner person in February.

Notice today's date & we might be getting snow tonight. I've only had my heat off 2 or 3 days, and still haven't checked my air nor gotten mower out yet.

[Texas48]

:thumbsup:celtic i agree with you! I dont really care about hearing about the custody. I want to get down to the point of who did what to Haleigh and find her!I would tend to believe you would get 100% of posters here to agree w/you and celtic and most likely 100% on every board there is. That is the reason ALL is right here on this board with you. :thumbsup:

[Mimi428]

Laci Peterson looked happy in her photos too.

Yes, she did.

And just like this case & a whole lot of others, Scott P had initial support from the in laws, until they got information that led them to believe he was not worthy of support.

I can't get onboard with the notion that it was wrong & nothing but wrong for Crystal & her family to stop supporting Ron & Misty. Anyone who has followed true crime probably recalls many other cases in which one person or another has had darn good reasons for withdrawing support from someone.

JMO

[Texas48]

I agree. It is important to pick apart the 911 tapes. I think some answers lie within those.
Oh My Goodness Frankie..that is so weird..The last page of the 911 call just finished printing. That is so strange you brought that up...Got goose bumps....:scared:

[Ice Cycle]

First photo is another view of the master bedroom.

I had to bring the whole thread over. Couldn't get the c&p thingie right.

Is that a land line on the night stand?

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=9


Why I am thinking about it, why is it they did not have a bed? I get why Haleigh slept on a mattress but have they ever said their reason?

[Texas48]

maybe because Ron isn't the father...:sneaky:.........a good possibility. Perhaps others just "assumed" he was.
I believe Ron assums it as well..

[Adalena935]

OH well that is a real nice thing to say on your profile about your kids let me tell you, if she had any respect for them! It doesn't show much of her for calling Haleigh and Jr that!:ohmy:

As opposed to Scott Peterson who said he loved Laci and Conner?

Words, in and of themselves are harmless. It's the context in which they're used that is offensive. Scott Peterson's jury was so offended they put him on Death Row.

[Mimi428]

Well i remember after the first day Haleigh went missing, i went into Crystal's profile and it said about her taking care of her baby and her 2 other brats she said. Of course she changed her profile now to missing Haleigh and all. I wonder why she referred them as brats if she wants custody of Jr so bad.


She had Haleigh & Junior 2 weekends a month. Did it ever occur to you that she may be around other children more than the two of them? And that perhaps she was not as fond of those other children & referred to them as 'brats'?

Bottom line - we don't know which children she was referring to. And it is disingenuous at best to declare that she could have only been referring to Haleigh & Junior.

JMO

[Texas48]

See I personally don't think the back door propped open has anything to do with the intruder or her missing.
I think it is possible that the AC guy had the electric off and might be why Misty was in there late doing clothes and maybe had the door property open as she was smoking. She might just not wanted to admit to that or either realized she had left it there and used that as a excuse for a intruder.
It just don't make sense to me that a intruder would leave it open, that door is at the far end of where they were sleeping so it would not be a noise thing.Anything is possible Ice..and I assume the a/c man being there is a FACT..one of few in this case.I believe a stranger would not have brought a cinder block w/him..just in case he needed one. I don't believe a stranger would have know exactly where to go to get Haleigh. I am woundering WHY the washing machine was in the wash cycle when LE arrived or did I read or hear that wrong? I am curious about that and about the wall LE tore out by water heater and the blanket(s).

[Adalena935]

Bingo!

Crystals Myspace was a fun pasttime for her.

Yes levity is good. I called mine bratz and my friend called her's knuckleheads.

Anyone can say I love you, but if they're hitting the object of said affection in the head with a ball bat while they're saying it even a child knows it's not love.

[Squidward]

Anything is possible Ice..and I assume the a/c man being there is a FACT..one of few in this case.I believe a stranger would not have brought a cinder block w/him..just in case he needed one. I don't believe a stranger would have know exactly where to go to get Haleigh. I am woundering WHY the washing machine was in the wash cycle when LE arrived or did I read or hear that wrong? I am curious about that and about the wall LE tore out by water heater and the blanket(s).

I'm not sure about the washing machine running when LE got there. It is not in the police report, I'm not even sure where it started or if there is any fact behind it. It was most recently posted in the Art Harris article about Greg, and after I read it I googled and found that it had been reported by posters on this forum and others early on in the case, but no links were supplied.

If it was that should be a BIG clue to LE and I would think it would be noted in the police report.

[Ice Cycle]

Anything is possible Ice..and I assume the a/c man being there is a FACT..one of few in this case.I believe a stranger would not have brought a cinder block w/him..just in case he needed one. I don't believe a stranger would have know exactly where to go to get Haleigh. I am woundering WHY the washing machine was in the wash cycle when LE arrived or did I read or hear that wrong? I am curious about that and about the wall LE tore out by water heater and the blanket(s).

Yes I know the wall being tore out is really odd, it is just not something LE would do especially that early in on the case. Unless because their was not a sign of a break in they though she was somewhere in the trailer, but behind a water heater? Don't know about the washing machine going either as I never heard them say but I do no more often than none when AC or any electric repair is being done that they usually do turn the electricity off, at least for awhile. I am really surprised that the Media has not gotten the answer to any of these questions, given the minor details they reported and still do on the CA case.

[crwofter1]

First photo is another view of the master bedroom.

I had to bring the whole thread over. Couldn't get the c&p thingie right.

Is that a land line on the night stand?

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=9

I believe that looks like a alarm clock on the night stand.

[crymeariver2006]

First photo is another view of the master bedroom.

I had to bring the whole thread over. Couldn't get the c&p thingie right.

Is that a land line on the night stand?

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=9

I believe it's a clock or clock/radio.

Scroll down to the third picture. Isn't that the bedroom TV? Where is the DVD player that was in the bedroom? I see the tv and it looks too high for Haleigh at 3 feet tall to have changed movies (per Lisa Croslin). Would LE have taken the DVD player?

[Texas48]

:thumbsup:No, Texas ... that is not a sign of a feeble mind. If it is then I have one also!
That toddler's mattress was placed on the floor just inside the door of the master bedroom. There were 2 other bedrooms, one for each child ostensibly.
So, we ask ourselves: how in the heck was a stranger -abductor who knew nothing of the sleeping arrangements that night know not to trip over Haleigh. Instead, he/she stopped right at the threshold and lifted a sleeping child weighing 40 pounds. Odd, isn't it?TY Themis..I feel better about life now that I see I am not by myself with my way of thinking. :thumbsup:

[Texas48]

Not feeble -- logical.

If the original story had made sense (and remember he/she came through a locked door), most of the inconsistencies would not have mattered.

Add to it, have you tried to pick up a sleeping child from the floor? I just remember I was trying to carry my sleeping grandson up the steps & lost my balance, and he was 2 or less.OMG..did ALL hear/read this post...Not feeble....But logical...I am gonna hold my head up high tonight.lol..lol..TY..ummm...guess I better type your entire name...titanfan. anyway..TY.

[Politigal]

JUST WOW! I think this SHOULD read 3 PRECIOUS children. Out of those three PRECIOUS children, one is missing and needs to be found.

My bold above and I feel that is very disrespectful!

I have the highest regard for all children.

I was trying to combat all the people who continually degrade Misty as being promiscuous, while ignoring that Crystal fits the same bill.

Yes, the children are precious. They are not at fault here.

But obviously there is enough trouble on both sides of the fence. None of the players in this case are squeaky clean....none of them.

[Texas48]

Silly, funny, hard, serious, lies, bored, lolThere u go...Thanks for the help bully..

[Texas48]

My favorite, rug rats.Curtain climbers..So O/T..sorry CW..just had to let loose there for a minute.

[Adalena935]

I've never heard of an abductor bringing a cinderblock to the crime scene before either. To prop open a screen door that weighs next to nothing. The 911 call didn't ring true to me either. I hope law enforcement apprehends whoever did this and brings them to justice. I'm pretty confident that will be accomplished eventually.

[Texas48]

Yes, as does Misty, who threatened to take her child. Hopefully Misty didn't have the same feelings toward crystal..jmoummmmmm...My brain is going into overtime with that thought...U may have something.

[titanfan217]

You got that right! Changing the date on the camera is easy to do.

However, Haleigh's accident was documented by the school, and later that day by medical personnel.

Several days later, documented by medical personnel a second time when Ron brought Haleigh back in because she was suffering a stomach problem. (e-coli)
JMHO, as I'm too lazy to check link thread and old newspaper reports. :closedeyes:

I must say that convinces me the injuries were related to the accident at school and no time stamp was altered nor was there a need to alter it.

Now, Crystal's pics had no date/time stamp...but that's ok...?
Also, no face in some of the alleged Jr's abuse pics..
Who was that child...really? Do we have proof it was Jr?



I was more referring to the ones that Ron or his Mom produced approximately a week or so after the ones from Crystal's camp and then the one on what I believe is suppose to be a website connected with Ron's attorney. I don't remember exact dates but it seemed the one on that website would have been shortly after the accident & really didn't match up with the ones that someone was trying to say were documented proof about her injuries getting worse.

Neither set of photos prove anything and the 2nd set coming out a week later set up red flags for me.

[Texas48]

Thanks, I was just being curious. That bedroom seems so sparce. It reminds me of a hotel room. No personal items in sight. Just odd to me I guess.
My opinion only is that it is sparce to an extent but when it was shown to us it was also extremely clean and My guess would be TN and GGM gave it a cleaning like it never seen before.

[Squidward]

Please help me to understand why you say this was "Ron's mantra"?

Some of the questions I've heard (with my own ears, so no link) cannot be answered because he WAS at work. :shrug:

I just don't get the problem he was working and actually may not know.....





Where IS Chad Griffis?

Is he wanted by LE or something? Did I miss something? This is the 3rd or 4th time I've seen this asked, on this page, just wondering why it's so important for him to be found.

[Politigal]

Please help me to understand why you say this was "Ron's mantra"?

Some of the questions I've heard (with my own ears, so no link) cannot be answered because he WAS at work. :shrug:

I just don't get the problem he was working and actually may not know.....





Where IS Chad Griffis?

Do you feel Chad was involved...due to the child support issue?

[?noanswer]

Thanks, I was just being curious. That bedroom seems so sparce. It reminds me of a hotel room. No personal items in sight. Just odd to me I guess.

I would think that LE took a lot of items from the home. Also they had not lived there very long. Probably not enough time to accumulate household goods. When they went thru Haleigh's room, there were lots of toys and clothes in the closet. I had seen something at the head of Haleigh's youth bed in her room which I thought was a mattress. Later I realized that it was a sheet or some type of material on the window. JMO

[Texas48]

JUST WOW! I think this SHOULD read 3 PRECIOUS children. Out of those three PRECIOUS children, one is missing and needs to be found.

My bold above and I feel that is very disrespectful!Ahhh.there you are apple..so glad you could grace us with your presense tonight.

I was affraid you would get tied up with company and not make it to the board. Question for you...Do you remember if the washing machine was running the morning LE arrived at the trailer? This is bothering me now and I am going to be forced to read and read somemore..

[Texas48]

I've never heard of an abductor bringing a cinderblock to the crime scene before either. To prop open a screen door that weighs next to nothing. The 911 call didn't ring true to me either. I hope law enforcement apprehends whoever did this and brings them to justice. I'm pretty confident that will be accomplished eventually.
Did you listen to the 911 call or did you read it? I got much more out of it by reading..

[Texas48]

Please help me to understand why you say this was "Ron's mantra"?

Some of the questions I've heard (with my own ears, so no link) cannot be answered because he WAS at work. :shrug:

I just don't get the problem he was working and actually may not know.....





Where IS Chad Griffis?May I ask Why are you looking for Chad Griffis?

[2boysMom]

I'm sure the home needed lots of straightening up and cleaning up after LE had finished their crime scene investigation, but I see no reason to assume that the place was unclean to begin with.

[2boysMom]

I would like to know more about Chad myself. I wonder how much attention LE has paid to him. What was he doing on the night of Haleigh's disappearance? What exactly do we know about him?

[2boysMom]

The child was sleeping on a mattress on a floor............ Thats not right. Its not like there was not room for the frame.

jmo

I'm not sure why the frame for Haleigh's bed wasn't brought into the master bedroom, but I still don't think it's right to assume the place was dirty. And it's not as though they slept in a bed with a frame, but Haleigh didn't.

[crwofter1]

Does anyone know why it took LE 2 weeks to come for the back door? What could they possibly obtain from it after reporters, ect. tainting it?! Makes no sense to me, well then again nothing else does either, maybe my mind is feeble:confused:

[?noanswer]

Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #11
« Reply #148 on: Today at 07:00:41 PM »

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I'm not sure if this has been posted prior.. I just pulled it up, and reading it by detail..... I wonder??


Ron----


2006-03-22 CHILDREN

2006-04-04 044.NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING

2006-04-12 045.NOTICE OF UN-AVAILABILITY-CHARLES BEHM-ESQUIRE

2006-08-17 046.NOTICE OF HEARING - STATUS CONFERENCE

2006-08-17 HRG SET FOR 10/04/06 @ 3:00 - EEH

2006-10-04 047.FAMILY COURT MINUTES-PET NOT PRESENT-R MURPHY PRESENT

2006-10-04 RESP NOT PRESENT-C BEHM PRESENT

2006-12-28 048.NOTICE OF HEARING - HRG SET FOR 01/04/07 @ 3:30

2007-01-04 049.NOTICE OF FILING TRANSCRIPT - RESPONDENT

2007-01-26 050.NOTICE OF HEARING REGARDING OBJECTIONS TO FINDINGS

2007-01-26 OF MAGISTRATE-HRG SET FOR 02/13/07 @ 2:00 - EEH

2007-02-13 051.FAMILY COURT MINUTES PET PR RESP PR

2007-02-22 052.NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY OF COUNSEL - BEHM

2007-05-11 053.CORRESPONDENCE FROM NANCY GRIFFIS TO EEH

2007-11-08 054.ORDER APPROVING REPORT/RECOMMENDATIONS OF MAGISTRATE

2007-11-26 FL#200754636011

2008-06-16 055.DOR INTERCEPT IN THE AMOUNT OF $48.00 ON 06/16/08

2009-02-10 056.MOTION FOR CONTEMPT 03-27-09 AT 08:30

2009-02-20 057.NOTICE OF DISMISSAL

2009-03-17 058.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE - KIM PICAZIO FOR CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD

2009-03-20 059.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE-T JERRY SNIDER FOR FATHER

2009-03-26 060. NOTICE OF PRODUCTION FROM NON-PARTY


http://www.flcourts.org/gen_public/family/forms_rules/931ab.pdf


explains NOTICE OF PRODUCTION FROM NON-PARTY


JMO

[crwofter1]

Did you listen to the 911 call or did you read it? I got much more out of it by reading..

How do I obtain the report? Is there a link that can be provided.
If so, TY:sneaky:

[?noanswer]

Did you note that Kim filed something? Any idea what?

Yes, but I don't know what that means. Looks like she is asking to appear before a court or something. Right after that Ron's atty filed something. Now it looks like one/both of them is going to subpoena a 3rd party.

KP said she had not filed for custody, but I wonder if she changed her mind and that is what this is all about. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Good Evening (:

Just wondered if anyone found out any more about the washing machine?

I know I was looking before bed last night and found a few references to it -- and from what I gathered, it came from Ron on Feb 11th in interviews he gave?

The posts I found referring to a few web sites were dated Feb 12th

[?noanswer]

Good Evening (:

Just wondered if anyone found out any more about the washing machine?

I know I was looking before bed last night and found a few references to it -- and from what I gathered, it came from Ron on Feb 11th in interviews he gave?

The posts I found referring to a few web sites were dated Feb 12th

I had not heard anything about the washing machine except what Misty reported in the very beginning. As to early interviews, we should probably cut the people some slack. They were very stressed, had not slept any after the disappearance and probably were not eating very good either. I hate to think what I might say right after a disaster had happened to me. JMO

[?noanswer]

Did I read it right? Kim filed the 17th of March. Could it be she was just informing the court she is the atty on record for Crystal? :confused:

My brain gets tongue tied when I try to decipher legal mumbo jumbo. I'm thinking it is the first step to file for custody. I really don't know, tho. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Does anyone know why it took LE 2 weeks to come for the back door? What could they possibly obtain from it after reporters, ect. tainting it?! Makes no sense to me, well then again nothing else does either, maybe my mind is feeble:confused:


Hard to figure that one out short of the timing

They took it right after the televised walk through of the house ... something may have caught their eye?

Nancy Grace asked him .. and he really had no answer

GRACE: Why did police take your back door off the hinges and take it away, Ronald?

CUMMINGS: I`m not sure. They took it for some further investigation. I think the locks and everything. They want to check some things that those -- you would have to ask them, the investigators on that one, Miss Nancy.

[TaraCrazyHair]

What kind of locks did he have on the screen door??

[Squidward]

Who? Chad? I don't know his present status concerning LE.

...He shouldn't have to be "found".
He is Crystal's fiancé and should be with her.

This will likely be the hardest thing Crystal has EVER been through in her young life....with so much more heartache (IMO) to follow.

What kind of person wouldn't move heaven and earth to be beside the person he is supposed to love?





Where IS Chad Griffis?


Yes Chad, I don't think should have to found either, just seemed important for you to "find" him. I'm sure LE knows his whereabouts, and I'm sure Crystal does also.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I had not heard anything about the washing machine except what Misty reported in the very beginning. As to early interviews, we should probably cut the people some slack. They were very stressed, had not slept any after the disappearance and probably were not eating very good either. I hate to think what I might say right after a disaster had happened to me. JMO


That is very true but if Ron stated at one point the washer was running, the police note the washer was running via the Harris site .... and we have heard a couple different stories about the blankets .. the question remains, was the washer really still running?

[?noanswer]

There's a motion for contempt filed on March 27th also. Dang, I wish we knew what this is all about.

I think that was for the back child support. It was filed on 2-10 and the date to appear was 3-27. Further down looks like it was dismissed (after Haleigh disappeared).



2009-02-10 056.MOTION FOR CONTEMPT 03-27-09 AT 08:30

2009-02-20 057.NOTICE OF DISMISSAL
JMO

[?noanswer]

That is very true but if Ron stated at one point the washer was running, the police note the washer was running via the Harris site .... and we have heard a couple different stories about the blankets .. the question remains, was the washer really still running?

I'm not sure I would take anything from the Harris site without independent verication from another party. JMO

[Ice Cycle]

That is very true but if Ron stated at one point the washer was running, the police note the washer was running via the Harris site .... and we have heard a couple different stories about the blankets .. the question remains, was the washer really still running?

Ok well today is the first I have heard about this, so their is a interview that R.C. said the washer was still running when he came home? At 3:00 am??

[TaraCrazyHair]

Still on my search but ran across this ...

Early police report ...

I then made contact with Misty Croslin, Ronalds girlfriend. Misty told me that she had put the children to bed at approximately 8pm. MIsty said that they were sleeping in HER BED, and when she laid down at around 10:30pm both children were still in bed. I asked MIsty who the other child was and she advised the other child was Haleighs brother. Misty old me that she woke up just before 3am to get a drink and she noticed that Haleigh was missing, however the OTHER child was still in bed. MIsty ran around the residence franticallly looking for haleigh and that she noticed the back door was stanfing open. MIsty said that she was sure the back door had been locked prior to her going to bed.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609



No wonder LE is going crazy -- this was the initial report to police?

Then it changed or what?

[Politigal]

Nope.

I worry because of the order of protection his ex-wife had against him for about 2 years....just dropped in November IIRC.

A protection ordered based on violence and kids mentioned in the same sentence.

That's why I feel Chad MAY be involved.





Where IS Chad Griffis?

thx, I found the official document link

http://tinyurl.com/ccpaxm

[TaraCrazyHair]

Ok well today is the first I have heard about this, so their is a interview that R.C. said the washer was still running when he came home? At 3:00 am??


The first I had heard of this was in the Art Harris interview with Greg

The I searched and sure enough, in the early days of this case it was mentioned in various links but nothing to back it up

The closest I have found is on Feb 12th people discussed what Ron said the night before in a interview

I am looking high and low for that interview

[WhiteShark]

Your tagline reads:
Nancy Grace said on 2/20/09 "Let's not put blame on the victims!" I agree!Such harsh statements. Aren't Ron and Crystal victims, along with their abducted daughter? My opinion
Yes that is my tag line.
YES, I think they are BOTH victims.......I was just hitting and missing so perhaps my point wasn't clear & I could have made it better.
What I was trying to say is both sides have made mistakes/errors/lapses in judgement-------and yet a baby girl is missing. It is silly for them to go after each other right now, and sad for others to do the same.

But, I do think it wrong of Crystal to be driving anything with anyone on board until/if she recieves treatment. She could accidently injure an innocent being

[psbperu]

The child was sleeping on a mattress on a floor............ Thats not right. Its not like there was not room for the frame.

jmo

Personally I see nothing wrong with that...right now my 4 1/2 year old grandson is sleeping on a futon on the floor at the foot of his parents bed cause the parents are trying to get him out of their bed. (Oh yes, the parents created the problem)

It is a business now...advising parents on how to get kids out of their bed.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/garden/01bed.html

[titanfan217]

Still on my search but ran across this ...

Early police report ...

I then made contact with Misty Croslin, Ronalds girlfriend. Misty told me that she had put the children to bed at approximately 8pm. MIsty said that they were sleeping in HER BED, and when she laid down at around 10:30pm both children were still in bed. I asked MIsty who the other child was and she advised the other child was Haleighs brother. Misty old me that she woke up just before 3am to get a drink and she noticed that Haleigh was missing, however the OTHER child was still in bed. MIsty ran around the residence franticallly looking for haleigh and that she noticed the back door was stanfing open. MIsty said that she was sure the back door had been locked prior to her going to bed.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609



No wonder LE is going crazy -- this was the initial report to police?

Then it changed or what?

I noticed that too. I thought Misty has said that when she woke up the clock had 3 something or was she referring to something else happening after 3.

[titanfan217]

The child was sleeping on a mattress on a floor............ Thats not right. Its not like there was not room for the frame.

jmo


Maybe she didn't sleep there every night. We've pulled the mattress in a different room when one or both of the grandsons were here.

The tot beds I've seen aren't that far off the floor to make much difference.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I noticed that too. I thought Misty has said that when she woke up the clock had 3 something or was she referring to something else happening after 3.


Of course, this is a police report so take it as you will, but what caught my attention is how it appears she woke and found Haleigh was not in the bed with her and Jr, so she searched for her and then she seen the backdoor open

Which of course is the only version that really makes the most sense, but then we had changing beds, etc ...

[?noanswer]

Now that the other person has been found, does anyone know the whereabouts of "Cobra"? JMO

[Squidward]

Now that the other person has been found, does anyone know the whereabouts of "Cobra"? JMO

LOL! I saw earlier not sure where but it was on a forum someone posted that Cobra is "gathering info and checking stuff out" something he plans to give LE on Monday, so only a rumor... I can not confirm his location at this time.:tonguewag:

[?noanswer]

LOL! I saw earlier not sure where but it was on a forum someone posted that Cobra is "gathering info and checking stuff out" something he plans to give LE on Monday, so only a rumor... I can not confirm his location at this time.:tonguewag:

Guess we'll have to get a BH to locate him!!! JMO

[Politigal]

Thank you!

"domestic violence with minor children"

That is why I pray LE is looking as close to Chad's whereabouts as close as they are with Ron, Crystal, WBG, Misty's etc

Why I've been so adamant about where he is/was.

The timing of the Order of Contempt on the child support & how that might have affected his family (with Crystal,) and his record of domestic violence with children is unsettling IMO.

[titanfan217]

Now that the other person has been found, does anyone know the whereabouts of "Cobra"? JMO

On another mb, someone said they saw him Friday or Saturday as if he was in town, but then the moderator called it a rumor.

[?noanswer]

The timing of the Order of Contempt on the child support & how that might have affected his family (with Crystal,) and his record of domestic violence with children is unsettling IMO.

If I was a Judge, I would never want to sit on the bench ad hear domestic dispute cases. That has to be really hard to do.

o/t It is being reported on the news media today that a man killed all his children and then himself. Seems he discovered his wife had a b/f. Guess he showed her!! JMO

[?noanswer]

I have no way of knowing this for sure obviously, meadow....

.... but I think "ajar" and "wide opened" may mean just about the same thing to Misty when she says the door was open.

A door that is always locked to suddenly not be locked and standing open... .. just a guess.
IMHO,as always.


IIRC, LE said the door was blowing back & forth because of the wind. It would close to within 6". I guess depending on when one looked at it and the volicity of the wind, it could have been standing open and next time, could be closed to within the 6". JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I have no way of knowing this for sure obviously, meadow....

.... but I think "ajar" and "wide opened" may mean just about the same thing to Misty when she says the door was open.

A door that is always locked to suddenly not be locked and standing open... .. just a guess.
IMHO,as always.


My eyes are going blurry from all the early reports and videos I am watching locating the washing machine story but I can tell that every single story from Ron was the back door was wide open and the screen door was propped


Nothing was "ajar"


(shrug)

[TaraCrazyHair]

Another thing that especially interesting is how Misty latches on every single time to a blanket story

Now I am even more confused because the blanket was peed on so she had to wash it, there was her blanket but it was the van (I guess she took her blanket on the three day binge?), she had to take the blanket off the window and wash it yet the kids snuggled under the blanket to watch two movies but they were eating supper at 7:00 on the back porch when GGM came by with clean clothes and were in bed at 8:00

Say what?????????????

There is not one single consistent story from early morning Feb 10th until now

I wish I was not so OCD because I can't stop reading what they all said very early on and compare it to later stories

It is freaking crazy!

[WhiteShark]

The child was sleeping on a mattress on a floor............ Thats not right. Its not like there was not room for the frame.

jmo

she had her own room with a proper bed, a perfect little girly bed. But she wanted to sleep Run and Misty's bed,
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=9

and scroll down to second picture.

When I got my sons back after 8 yrs, we shared my room for a couple of months. They didn't want to go to sleep and wake up somewhere else again without me. Eventually they started hanging out in their own rooms and life moved on

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'll go with that.
Haven't been back to re-read everything, so I have no ammo for this fight. lol
Thanks. :tonguewag:

OMG! You should!

I am sure LE has over and over

It is amazing what you find

Like Ron telling Greta how they all slept that night when correcting Misty

How in the Sam Hell did he know their bed placement over Misty's version?

Yet he states it as a matter of fact ... like he saw them all the bed so he knows and Misty is mistaken

There was one I watched where he says Misty was cleaning he came home ... corrected to Misty said she had been cleaning in another

Still on the hunt for the washing machine!

If it is out there .. I will find it!

(:

[TaraCrazyHair]

she had her own room with a proper bed, a perfect little girly bed. But she wanted to sleep Run and Misty's bed,
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=9

and scroll down to second picture.

When I got my sons back after 8 yrs, we shared my room for a couple of months. They didn't want to go to sleep and wake up somewhere else again without me. Eventually they started hanging out in their own rooms and life moved on



Ron said he has had Haleigh for quite awhile
Not quite the same thing ... adjustments had been made I would think


One thing also i found in very early reports was Ron mentioning the custody thing as he whimpered to the ground

That was Feb 12th .. long before Kim P came on the scene

The more I read and watch the videos, the more there is no way this child was abducted by a stranger

And the less hope I hold

[TaraCrazyHair]

Calling it a night and going to bed but if anyone wants to find the interview Ron did about stating the machine was still running when he came home, start with You Tube

I can't see straight any longer but it has to be there somewhere since so many people heard it and allegedly the police stated it?

This was not made up the other day on Art Harris since as far back as Feb 11th people discussed on various boards across the internet

Yet i can't find it!!!

Tomorrow is another day

[Politigal]

Thanks for the link.

I see a couple of things.

1) Ron took a jar of funds saying he had a right to it as he is the custodial parent.

KP admitted he was correct...
So I have no problem with that.
He still has Jr to raise.

2) Crystal says she held down 2 jobs to get right with her back child support.

However she never bothered to look at either of her pay stubs to see if or how much they were taking out by payroll deduction...?

I guess it could happen that way.


if anyone else wants to contact Picazio here's her email

http://www.picaziolaw.com/contact.jsp

[Politigal]

Too bad they aren't using the haleighbug funds to pay that back child support Crystal owes. Junior is still there.

IMO

[BitterSweet]

Calling it a night and going to bed but if anyone wants to find the interview Ron did about stating the machine was still running when he came home, start with You Tube

I can't see straight any longer but it has to be there somewhere since so many people heard it and allegedly the police stated it?

This was not made up the other day on Art Harris since as far back as Feb 11th people discussed on various boards across the internet

Yet i can't find it!!!

Tomorrow is another day

Is ther something specific you are looking for Tara? Something that will aid in Haleigh's investigation?

I would be happy to help.

I myself have never read anything about the wash running? Is that what you are looking for? If I find the link, I will post it.

BitterSweet

[Politigal]

I still don't understand why everyone seems to jump on the bandwagon with everything Kim Picazio or Art Harris spew.

I recall criminal defense attorney Mark Geragos once said "it's not a crime to lie to the media" and that's exactly what some of these people are doing IMO.

[Politigal]

Mark Geragos comment in a different case

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0107/26/lkl.00.html

GERAGOS: Well, it's not a crime to lie to the media. I mean, that's -- that's...

DEPAULO: But which...

GERAGOS: I know it offends you as a journalist, but it's not a crime.

[BitterSweet]

Calling it a night and going to bed but if anyone wants to find the interview Ron did about stating the machine was still running when he came home, start with You Tube

I can't see straight any longer but it has to be there somewhere since so many people heard it and allegedly the police stated it?

This was not made up the other day on Art Harris since as far back as Feb 11th people discussed on various boards across the internet

Yet i can't find it!!!

Tomorrow is another day

Indeed ..I cannot find it as well!

I find TONS OF RUMOR MILL links to this finding.
I don't do rumor, or state them.
Hope you find the link.

BitterSweet

[Politigal]

Indeed ..I cannot find it as well!

I find TONS OF RUMOR MILL links to this finding.
I don't do rumor, or state them.
Hope you find the link.

BitterSweet

I've also not found any link...only rumor (of which there is plenty in this case.)

[BitterSweet]

Hoping to dream of Haleigh's safe return!


Goodnight
BitterSweet

[Hopeintown]

OMG! You should!

I am sure LE has over and over

It is amazing what you find

Like Ron telling Greta how they all slept that night when correcting Misty

How in the Sam Hell did he know their bed placement over Misty's version?

Yet he states it as a matter of fact ... like he saw them all the bed so he knows and Misty is mistaken

There was one I watched where he says Misty was cleaning he came home ... corrected to Misty said she had been cleaning in another

Still on the hunt for the washing machine!

If it is out there .. I will find it!

(:

Hi Tara, it's been a long time....

Anyway, I know exactly what you mean about the different versions regarding the night Haleigh dissapeared, and the Greta interview just blew me away. I wasen't home and just happened to set my DVR to record that episode and when I watched it I was like WTH? I even watched it again noticing how Ron corrected Misty when SHE was the one home (not Ron) and was trying to explain the distance to Greta. Not only that, I noticed how Misty looked at Ron for answers, just like she looked at him for answers when Merideth Viera interviewed them.

I was so confused in the beginning of this case about the whole sleeping arrangments that I thought the media had made a mistake about where Haleigh was sleeping, but NO, it was Misty. She DID say at first that both children were in the bed, then changed that, then came the whole movie watching business. And I thought I had heard something about Misty telling LE that she had put a certain movie in for one of the kids to watch (can't remember which), but it was not that movie they retrieved from the VCR. Also, I need to watch the Art Harris interview again and see who it is Misty said she was going to call when she grabbed the phone after she realized Haleigh was missing.

I have never heard so many different versions about one night, coming from one person before.

IMO

[Themis]

Hi Tara, it's been a long time....

Anyway, I know exactly what you mean about the different versions regarding the night Haleigh dissapeared, and the Greta interview just blew me away. I wasen't home and just happened to set my DVR to record that episode and when I watched it I was like WTH? I even watched it again noticing how Ron corrected Misty when SHE was the one home (not Ron) and was trying to explain the distance to Greta. Not only that, I noticed how Misty looked at Ron for answers, just like she looked at him for answers when Merideth Viera interviewed them.

I was so confused in the beginning of this case about the whole sleeping arrangments that I thought the media had made a mistake about where Haleigh was sleeping, but NO, it was Misty. She DID say at first that both children were in the bed, then changed that, then came the whole movie watching business. And I thought I had heard something about Misty telling LE that she had put a certain movie in for one of the kids to watch (can't remember which), but it was not that movie they retrieved from the VCR. Also, I need to watch the Art Harris interview again and see who it is Misty said she was going to call when she grabbed the phone after she realized Haleigh was missing.

I have never heard so many different versions about one night, coming from one person before.

IMO
Hope, this is a good posting. thank you.
It illustrates just why LE has been so frustrated right from February 10.

Listen to the 911 tape at least twice. Then read the transcript at least twice. That was so off, at least in my opinion.

Watch Ron and Misty's interview with Greta the night of February 11. The transcript is available, too. It is worth watching and reading twice to see what you may not see the first time -- the facial expressions, the body language. Again, something is just off with those two.
Watch Ron, who supposedly is devastated at the random kidnapping of his daughter just hours before. Yet, Ron has the presence of mind to use his hand to cover the microphone on his shirt and proceeds to tell Misty 'look at the camera.' Mighty strange behavior, it's just off, IMO.

Add in all the other drama, which was not necessary and muddied the waters, and my sympathy is with LE.

[Squidward]

Hope, this is a good posting. thank you.
It illustrates just why LE has been so frustrated right from February 10.

Listen to the 911 tape at least twice. Then read the transcript at least twice. That was so off, at least in my opinion.

Watch Ron and Misty's interview with Greta the night of February 11. The transcript is available, too. It is worth watching and reading twice to see what you may not see the first time -- the facial expressions, the body language. Again, something is just off with those two.
Watch Ron, who supposedly is devastated at the random kidnapping of his daughter just hours before. Yet, Ron has the presence of mind to use his hand to cover the microphone on his shirt and proceeds to tell Misty 'look at the camera.' Mighty strange behavior, it's just off, IMO.

Add in all the other drama, which was not necessary and muddied the waters, and my sympathy is with LE.

I had not seen the Greta interview before now, there has been much talk about it today I had to go watch it. You are right!!! From the beginning of that video there is something off about both of them. Misty looks very well I don't know how to describe it, other that odd. The microphone/camera thing was very strange too. Ron seemed to nod a bit when she got parts of her story "right".

Indeed it was OFF!

[Themis]

I had not seen the Greta interview before now, there has been much talk about it today I had to go watch it. You are right!!! From the beginning of that video there is something off about both of them. Misty looks very well I don't know how to describe it, other that odd. The microphone/camera thing was very strange too. Ron seemed to nod a bit when she got parts of her story "right".

Indeed it was OFF!
Squid, I am so glad you saw the Greta interview!

I've been harping on it for weeks and weeks and have linked it so many times I'm sure people passed it right on by.

Do the same, if you have not already done so, with the 911 phone call.

Glad to know there is one other late nighter here.:smile:

P.S. Squid, you said it so well: "Ron seemed to nod a bit when she got parts of her story "right"."

[Squidward]

Squid, I am so glad you saw the Greta interview!

I've been harping on it for weeks and weeks and have linked it so many times I'm sure people passed it right on by.

Do the same, if you have not already done so, with the 911 phone call.

Glad to know there is one other late nighter here.:smile:

P.S. Squid, you said it so well: "Ron seemed to nod a bit when she got parts of her story "right"."

I have heard the 911 call but listened to it again just now, again something was off. From the hi...um in the beginning to the "better people to talk to at the end". ODD .

I wonder who those "better people" were BTW

[Themis]

I have heard the 911 call but listened to it again just now, again something was off. From the hi...um in the beginning to the "better people to talk to at the end". ODD .

I wonder who those "better people" were BTW
I have no idea whom Ron meant when he told the 911 Operator he has 'better people to talk to.' The thought occurred to me that it was his mother, Teresa Neves. She works as a dispatcher in a close-by county...not Putnam County which is where Satsuma is.

Have you seen this video. It is quite long and I do not know off-hand what date it was. If I learn the date I will post it.
I have a very hard time understanding what Cummings is saying with all of the emotion.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

[Themis]

It's late here so I am signing off for now.

[Squidward]

I have no idea whom Ron meant when he told the 911 Operator he has 'better people to talk to.' The thought occurred to me that it was his mother, Teresa Neves. She works as a dispatcher in a close-by county...not Putnam County which is where Satsuma is.

Have you seen this video. It is quite long and I do not know off-hand what date it was. If I learn the date I will post it.
I have a very hard time understanding what Cummings is saying with all of the emotion.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

I have seen that one and I couldn't understand everything he was saying either. A few things stuck out about that video first of all his emotions change like flipping a light switch, at some points in the interview. Hysterically sobbing to very serious.

He also seemed to kinda push the idea he was working, which I believe he was at work but, he didn't stop there he went on with "making an honest living" blah blah.

I'd give my life for my child's life back seems like an odd statement also, unless he knows she's dead.

[Squidward]

It's late here so I am signing off for now.

nite! I'm bout to do the same!

Prayers for Haleigh!

[aproudmom]

Yup, we all are aware how far Geragos perspective got him. His client sits on death row. Guess the jury was offended.



moo

:thumbsup:I am wondering why we are even talking about G is he Misty's lawyer or someone else's?:scared:

[aproudmom]

Ish, I don't care if Crystal was 4 billion behind in child support, there are other ways of collecting the money rather than walking in and taking the jar. Is he just ticked because Crystal is receiving so many donations? At the candle vigil, the night Cobra called Misty out on a reenactment, there was hardly anyone there. Yet so many stories about Crystal's support. Maybe he is broke and isn't back to work yet, times are tough, but all of them need to get back to work and earn a living for the kids sake. If Crystal is receiving so many donations that she doesn't need to go back to work, then so be it. Although she does need to take care of the back child support she owes, imo. I remember not so long ago that many were supporting Ronald and his choices on how to spend his donation money, I would think the same would apply for Crystal.

jmo

wow had not heard he took a jar of money from crystal I agree he had no right to take anything from her if the people wanted him to have it they would have given it to him..he has got plenty IMO. I am sure he will make sure she pays every penny owed to him for back support and then maybe he will go tell his new wifey to start talking so crystal can have her daughter back...all jmo

[Themis]

:thumbsup:I am wondering why we are even talking about G is he Misty's lawyer or someone else's?:scared:
Geragos' name entered the picture as a result of several postings dealing with the attorneys in this case and their truthfulness. Someone reminded us here that Geragos had stated publicly that it was not criminal to lie to the media. And so it went .....:wink:

[Themis]

I have seen that one and I couldn't understand everything he was saying either. A few things stuck out about that video first of all his emotions change like flipping a light switch, at some points in the interview. Hysterically sobbing to very serious.

He also seemed to kinda push the idea he was working, which I believe he was at work but, he didn't stop there he went on with "making an honest living" blah blah.

I'd give my life for my child's life back seems like an odd statement also, unless he knows she's dead.
I agree with your reaction to that raw video, Squid. Ron's emotions did change at the drop of a hat. I wish I new the date that film was done. His mother, Teresa Neves, seems to be consistent with her crying, however.

[aproudmom]

I agree with your reaction to that raw video, Squid. Ron's emotions did change at the drop of a hat. I wish I new the date that film was done. His mother, Teresa Neves, seems to be consistent with her crying, however.

Which video are you talking about there are so many? and I agree he changes emotions very fast IMO...

[aproudmom]

Geragos' name entered the picture as a result of several postings dealing with the attorneys in this case and their truthfulness. Someone reminded us here that Geragos had stated publicly that it was not criminal to lie to the media. And so it went .....:wink:

LOL yeah gotta love Geragos and all the wonderful poster pals who points those things out..jmo:wink:

[Themis]

Which video are you talking about there are so many? and I agree he changes emotions very fast IMO...

The one linked in post 460.

Do you happen to know the date of that particular video, ProudMom?

[Themis]

LOL yeah gotta love Geragos and all the wonderful poster pals who points those things out..jmo:wink:
Well, he took on that case for the publicity and the $1 million up front (IIRC) from the parents.
Yeah, he sure did get the publicity and the reputation that went with it.
Wonder if he visits his client?:wink:

[MoonFlwr]

The one linked in post 460.

Do you happen to know the date of that particular video, ProudMom?

Not sure, but on the video he says, "I came home this morning and my child was gone".

[MoonFlwr]

I don't know I can't see anything in that video other than an utterly distraught father. It's as authentic to me this time around, as it was when that video was first released, even though I know some of the 'odd' things Ron has done since then. It is gut-wrenching to me.

[Themis]

Not sure, but on the video he says, "I came home this morning and my child was gone".
Thank you, MoonFlwr.
Looks like we can unofficially date it Tuesday, February 10, 2009.
I had such a difficult time understanding what he was saying.
Sure wish there was a transcript to go with it; I'm spoiled by the Greta transcripts.

[aproudmom]

The one linked in post 460.

Do you happen to know the date of that particular video, ProudMom?

sorry I had went over to look at all the links and been reading did not even see this post..I will have to go look and see if I know...sorry