Friday, April 3, 2009

[Themis]

It's been 52 days since Haleigh was last seen.:sad:

[MoonFlwr]

It's been 52 days since Haleigh was last seen.:sad:

Hi, thanks for starting a new thread.

A dreadful thought (52 days!) :sad:

[Themis]

Hi, thanks for starting a new thread.

A dreadful thought (52 days!) :sad:
Good Morning, you're welcome.

Yes, MoonFlwr, it is a dreadful thought. The worst of it is that with no more positive news from Law Enforcement I fear it is becoming a cold case.

Law Enforcement, I would think, is entering the fatigue stage. It has to be as frustrating to them as it is to those of us who have been following the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings from the beginning.

[Pat]

I wonder how long it will be before poor little Haleigh's name drops out of the news altogether and she becomes just another picture on a milk carton.

While I think there is a possibility Crystal's extended family may have been involved in this (with no intention of harming Haleigh), I think it is more likely she was removed by a SO and no one knows anything.

With all the accusations being thrown out by Crystal and Picazio, it's odd we've seen not one person come forward and substantiate any of it. The rumors have been flying about Misty and LE can't find a single witness who says they saw her out of the trailer that night...Picazio says she's got them. If they aren't members of the Sheffield family (and I think they all have been discredited) who are they? LE has certainly been looking. The drama over this has been just that...unsubstantiated drama.

After reading Johnny Sheffield's record, there is no doubt in my mind the rumors thrown out on message boards about "everyone" being so afraid of Ron Cummings they wouldn't talk, is bs.

I think no one is talking because they don't really have anything to say. No one knows what happened to Haleigh.

I give her case another month at most before she is completely out of the news. It is very sad.

[Money Girl]

IMO, LE needs to be conducting more searches. Go back over the areas first searched with Tim, and go out from there.

I'm sorry the new sheriff is disappointed that very few tips are coming in; I thought LE was rather flippant about the tips in some cases.

1. Physical Searches are in order again. With the dogs.

2. Review the tips already received again.

3. If Misty or anyone else has an inconsistent story, this needs to be addressed.


I do hope the inexperience of the sheriff has not bungled the search for precious Haleigh.

[Money Girl]

I wonder how long it will be before poor little Haleigh's name drops out of the news altogether and she becomes just another picture on a milk carton.

While I think there is a possibility Crystal's extended family may have been involved in this (with no intention of harming Haleigh), I think it is more likely she was removed by a SO and no one knows anything.

With all the accusations being thrown out by Crystal and Picazio, it's odd we've seen not one person come forward and substantiate any of it. The rumors have been flying about Misty and LE can't find a single witness who says they saw her out of the trailer that night...Picazio says she's got them. If they aren't members of the Sheffield family (and I think they all have been discredited) who are they? LE has certainly been looking. The drama over this has been just that...unsubstantiated drama.

After reading Johnny Sheffield's record, there is no doubt in my mind the rumors thrown out on message boards about "everyone" being so afraid of Ron Cummings they wouldn't talk, is bs.

I think no one is talking because they don't really have anything to say. No one knows what happened to Haleigh.

I give her case another month at most before she is completely out of the news. It is very sad.

Someone knows what happened to Haleigh that night. And her name is Misty.

[Pat]

Money Girl...which tips do you think they were flippent about? To my knowledge we've never been told what they were.

[Money Girl]

Money Girl...which tips do you think they were flippent about? To my knowledge we've never been told what they were.

The first thing I heard them say is that they got a lot of tips but many were from mad wives (paraphrasing). There are so many RSOs/SOs in that area; I would not discount any tip.

Do you know if they can be compelled to search.

[Money Girl]

Good morning everyone. With an ongoing investigation, anyone having critical information would be advised to keep their mouths shut, imo.

This was an inside job, imo, and the key is misty c. cummings. Hopefully, LE and the FBI are seriously working that angle and everyone close to it.

I saw yesterday that LE in California are searching landfills for eight year old Sandra. Did the Satsuma LE ever search landfills for Haleigh?

The last report I read (from local newspapers in that area) indicated that only 5 PCSO investigators were on the case.

[n/t]

Good morning everyone. With an ongoing investigation, anyone having critical information would be advised to keep their mouths shut, imo.

This was an inside job, imo, and the key is misty c. cummings. Hopefully, LE and the FBI are seriously working that angle and everyone close to it.

I saw yesterday that LE in California are searching landfills for eight year old Sandra. Did the Satsuma LE ever search landfills for Haleigh?

Good Morning !

Not that I'm aware of. Only that trash container/bin and it was 2 weeks later, IIRC

I agree that Misty is the key and if her statements are inconsistent, she needs to be arrested for lying to law enforcement and hindering investigation. Maybe only then will we find out the truth.

[Texas48]

It's been 52 days since Haleigh was last seen.:sad:Good morning Themis and ALL..SAD when we actually SEE the amount of time this child was last seen.

[Themis]

IMO, LE needs to be conducting more searches. Go back over the areas first searched with Tim, and go out from there.

I'm sorry the new sheriff is disappointed that very few tips are coming in; I thought LE was rather flippant about the tips in some cases.

1. Physical Searches are in order again. With the dogs.

2. Review the tips already received again.

3. If Misty or anyone else has an inconsistent story, this needs to be addressed.

I do hope the inexperience of the sheriff has not bungled the search for precious Haleigh.
Reference post 5 by MoneyGirl

Regarding the need for more searches ... it seems that LE believes they have searched a 5 miles radius of the Cummings mobile home adequately.
Searches have been conducted by LE alone, LE with citizen volunteers, and Tim Miller's organization with their own people plus Florida volunteers. LE has stated they have conducted searches of the 44 RSOs residences living within that radius and have interviewed them. I don't know what more can be expected.
The mobile home park is in a rural area. Immediately beyond that are miles of rivers, ponds, and lakes. Additionally, there is the adjoining national park which is huge.

LE has asked recently planned strictly volunteer searches not take place for what I believe are good reasons -- infringement on private property and danger to the volunteers due to alligators, cottonmouth snakes, and extremely rough terrain. There is also a potential problem of running into shady characters who would resent intrusion in the area.

It is my understanding that Putnam County had to ask for additonal monies from the state because of money already expended.

While the sheriff is new to this job (he took office in January) he is not inexperienced. Additonally, he had help from FBI personnel; they were available to lend advice and share their extensive experience.
Several LE agencies in adjoining counties assisted Putnam County though to what extent I do not know.

Quite frankly, if LE decided to do more searches with help from citizens I wonder how many would volunteer at this stage. Because of the blatant and subtle mud-slinging by all branches and generations of the families involved it would not shock me if there is little interest now. How many people would risk injury to themselves while taking a day off work or use a weekend when they have read, seen and heard what we have in the press and on TV?

It's sad but true, IMO.

[Money Girl]

Reference post 5 by MoneyGirl

Regarding the need for more searches ... it seems that LE believes they have searched a 5 miles radius of the Cummings mobile home adequately.
Searches have been conducted by LE alone, LE with citizen volunteers, and Tim Miller's organization with their own people plus Florida volunteers. LE has stated they have conducted searches of the 44 RSOs residences living within that radius and have interviewed them. I don't know what more can be expected.
The mobile home park is in a rural area. Immediately beyond that are miles of rivers, ponds, and lakes. Additionally, there is the adjoining national park which is huge.

LE has asked recently planned strictly volunteer searches not take place for what I believe are good reasons -- infringement on private property and danger to the volunteers due to alligators, cottonmouth snakes, and extremely rough terrain. There is also a potential problem of running into shady characters who would resent intrusion in the area.

It is my understanding that Putnam County had to ask for additonal monies from the state because of money already expended.

While the sheriff is new to this job (he took office in January) he is not inexperienced. Additonally, he had help from FBI personnel; they were available to lend advice and share their extensive experience.
Several LE agencies in adjoining counties assisted Putnam County though to what extent I do not know.

Quite frankly, if LE decided to do more searches with help from citizens I wonder how many would volunteer at this stage. Because of the blatant and subtle mud-slinging by all branches and generations of the families involved it would not shock me if there is little interest now. How many people would risk injury to themselves while taking a day off work or use a weekend when they have read, seen and heard what we have in the press and on TV?

It's sad but true, IMO.

I think you have named many reasons why LE needs to organize and lead the searches. They could request that Equusearch/or a similar organization help. I personally think there would be lots of volunteers who would join the efforts.

They need to go back over the area where they originally looked to begin with, then expand the search.

Since Haleigh is still missing, these searches are obviously requried. LE is very remiss by not doing so, just as they were very remiss in calling off the search so early and performing a shoddy search of the dumpster that had been hit on by 3 cadaver dogs.

[Texas48]

I wonder how long it will be before poor little Haleigh's name drops out of the news altogether and she becomes just another picture on a milk carton.

While I think there is a possibility Crystal's extended family may have been involved in this (with no intention of harming Haleigh), I think it is more likely she was removed by a SO and no one knows anything.

With all the accusations being thrown out by Crystal and Picazio, it's odd we've seen not one person come forward and substantiate any of it. The rumors have been flying about Misty and LE can't find a single witness who says they saw her out of the trailer that night...Picazio says she's got them. If they aren't members of the Sheffield family (and I think they all have been discredited) who are they? LE has certainly been looking. The drama over this has been just that...unsubstantiated drama.

After reading Johnny Sheffield's record, there is no doubt in my mind the rumors thrown out on message boards about "everyone" being so afraid of Ron Cummings they wouldn't talk, is bs.

I think no one is talking because they don't really have anything to say. No one knows what happened to Haleigh.

I give her case another month at most before she is completely out of the news. It is very sad.Morning Pat..the NUMBER of days is heartbreaking. And when you remind us the posssibility of Haleigh's little face on a milk carton really tops it off. There is alot of rumors/drama is this case and that could be good or bad..ALL the DRAMA is keeping Haleigh's case up front w/media/shows/public. The JUICE keeps it going...Somewhat like the Anthony case. The more Cindy screamed the more the media became involved. The problem I see here is there are few FACTS. I tend to agree with JVM and others..LE needs to release the FACTS they do have or at least..some of the facts. I have my opinion(s) but no facts..no proof..no evidence. Only time will tell at this point. jmo

[Texas48]

IMO, LE needs to be conducting more searches. Go back over the areas first searched with Tim, and go out from there.

I'm sorry the new sheriff is disappointed that very few tips are coming in; I thought LE was rather flippant about the tips in some cases.

1. Physical Searches are in order again. With the dogs.

2. Review the tips already received again.

3. If Misty or anyone else has an inconsistent story, this needs to be addressed.


I do hope the inexperience of the sheriff has not bungled the search for precious Haleigh.My thoughts and opinions are very much what you posted Money Girl.

[madge]

This case is freezer cold and IMO has been since the day they sent TES away.

[Themis]

The first thing I heard them say is that they got a lot of tips but many were from mad wives (paraphrasing). There are so many RSOs/SOs in that area; I would not discount any tip.

Do you know if they can be compelled to search.

Money Girl, yes, LE has stated that they have received over 3,000 tips. At the beginning they were getting hundreds per day. Now it is said they are getting between 5 and 10 per day.

It is true that early on LE admitted they were swamped with tips from women trying to cause trouble for former boyfriends and husbands. Talk about criminal acts! What kind of person would do that when a young child's very life is at stake?!:cursing: The fact that LE made this news public indicates to me that they did not discount tips -- that is how LE learned some of those tips were bogus. Those phony tips caused delays and wasted a lot time and money.

Here's the most recent article on this subject from Matt Shaffer, dated 4-01-09.

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Deputies-Admit-Haleigh-Cummings-Tips-Aren-t/u1ZqxxQDHUie2gIYPEXYHw.cspx

In the article it says Marie Griffis is infuriated...for several reasons. I would just say that I remember distinctly that Griffis was one of the first of the family members that started the mud-slinging against the Cummings family, specifically Ronald Cummings. Excuse me if I do not have a great deal of sympathy for her now. She helped take the emphasis off Hayleigh and placed that huge bag of dirty laundry dead center in the public forum.

[Texas48]

Good morning everyone. With an ongoing investigation, anyone having critical information would be advised to keep their mouths shut, imo.

This was an inside job, imo, and the key is misty c. cummings. Hopefully, LE and the FBI are seriously working that angle and everyone close to it.

I saw yesterday that LE in California are searching landfills for eight year old Sandra. Did the Satsuma LE ever search landfills for Haleigh?Morning Jo..I can't add much to your post with exception I agree w/you. I have tried to figure every angle of a SO kidnapping and it just doesn't fit. Those puzzle pieces aren't going together. A neighbor in the area that knew the routine of this family? A "friend" of Ron and Misty that was familiar w/routine? A co-worker of Rons? A complete stranger that just happened upon that trailer in the middle of night NOT knowing who was there but knowing a little girl was sleeping on a mattress in master bedroom? Did this stranger know how to get in w/out breaking in? OR..a family member? Lots of thoughts so I will keep on thinking..nothing more to do w/what we have to go on imo.

[Texas48]

Good Morning !

Not that I'm aware of. Only that trash container/bin and it was 2 weeks later, IIRC

I agree that Misty is the key and if her statements are inconsistent, she needs to be arrested for lying to law enforcement and hindering investigation. Maybe only then will we find out the truth.Ahh.there you are n/t. I was woundering just yesterday about you...Had not seen you post but then I was just off and on. ITA w/your post and especially about Misty. She certainly can be charged and sit her little hiney in jail and them maybe she will see the light. There must be something LE can do. jmo

[kitty1182]

It's been 52 days since Haleigh was last seen.:sad:

Praying for some news today..:sad:

[crymeariver2006]

Much has been said around the web about something curious on the 911 call. With that in mind, I listened to it again, and lo and behold, I see what is causing the chatter.

At the 3:40 to 4 min mark, an officer is responding to the dispatcher, *what is going on at 116 Tyler St.*. Is that Misty's brother's address? Why would something be going on there at about the same time Misty called 911?

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

Audio of the 911 call

Yes, IIRC that is her brother's address.

Curious, isn't it?

[Themis]

Praying for some news today..:sad:
Me too, Kitty ... it is very depressing.

[Politigal]

there are way too many threads/posts to wade thru & search...

Can someone tell me - did Misty have a vehicle that night?

[Money Girl]

This case is freezer cold and IMO has been since the day they sent TES away.

I agree, Madge.

LE should never have called off the physical search that early.

I feel so sorry for Haleigh and the whole family.

[Money Girl]

Money Girl, yes, LE has stated that they have received over 3,000 tips. At the beginning they were getting hundreds per day. Now it is said they are getting between 5 and 10 per day.

It is true that early on LE admitted they were swamped with tips from women trying to cause trouble for former boyfriends and husbands. Talk about criminal acts! What kind of person would do that when a young child's very life is at stake?!:cursing: The fact that LE made this news public indicates to me that they did not discount tips -- that is how LE learned some of those tips were bogus. Those phony tips caused delays and wasted a lot time and money.

Here's the most recent article on this subject from Matt Shaffer, dated 4-01-09.

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Deputies-Admit-Haleigh-Cummings-Tips-Aren-t/u1ZqxxQDHUie2gIYPEXYHw.cspx

In the article it says Marie Griffis is infuriated...for several reasons. I would just say that I remember distinctly that Griffis was one of the first of the family members that started the mud-slinging against the Cummings family, specifically Ronald Cummings. Excuse me if I do not have a great deal of sympathy for her now. She helped take the emphasis off Hayleigh and placed that huge bag of dirty laundry dead center in the public forum.

I don't agree that LE received bogus tips. I personally do not think "they were swamped with tips from women trying to cause trouble for former boyfriends and husbands." My opinion is this type of attitude of LE in that area is a big part of the problem.

At this point, I think we would all serve Haleigh's recovery better by encourage LE to search rather than continually rehashing the same things over and over about the families. Those poor grandmothers are having to go out in those forests and search by themselves.

[spageddy]

IMO, LE needs to be conducting more searches. Go back over the areas first searched with Tim, and go out from there.

I'm sorry the new sheriff is disappointed that very few tips are coming in; I thought LE was rather flippant about the tips in some cases.

1. Physical Searches are in order again. With the dogs.

2. Review the tips already received again.

3. If Misty or anyone else has an inconsistent story, this needs to be addressed.


I do hope the inexperience of the sheriff has not bungled the search for precious Haleigh.

IMO if anything or anyone has caused the bungling of this case I would say it's Misty. The rest of that extended family IMO isn't helping much with their custody battles,accusations, weddings, etc.

[Ice Cycle]

I don't agree that LE received bogus tips. I personally do not think "they were swamped with tips from women trying to cause trouble for former boyfriends and husbands." My opinion is this type of attitude of LE in that area is a big part of the problem.

At this point, I think we would all serve Haleigh's recovery better by encourage LE to search rather than continually rehashing the same things over and over about the families. Those poor grandmothers are having to go out in those forests and search by themselves.

Normally I would agree that it is best for LE to be closed lipped about a case as this but not for this long and not in this circumstances. My reasoning is that I believe all the hoopla right after her disappearance has taken the public attention away from Haleigh. I also think another possible reason might be due to the media attention of the CA case that LE has been so quite about this one.

[?noanswer]

Yeah, great post. This crime isn't that complex, I feel. Ron and Misty know the truth, lets not act like they got married because they are madly in love, he didn't even look at her during vows, it was unreal, probably the oddest wedding I have ever seen. The rushing to get married was just so odd, why? I honestly think this case will be solved really soon, I hope the LE are just being super careful and confirming all their evidence.

jmo

Why did M & R get married? What if R is an informant? LE would know that. Maybe they told him to marry M to get more information. As to R not looking happy, I think a lot of that was because of the media attention. As far as arresting Misty, until LE knows what part of her story is inconsistent, they don't know what to arrest her for. They can't just say she lied about the timeline until they know what the timeline is. JMO

[?noanswer]

I really, really doubt the cops would recommend to Ron to marry a teen.

jmo


I don't think they would recommend he marry anyone. I don't think Ron is an informant either. JMO

[?noanswer]

If Misty is giving inconsistent statements I would think she could be arrested for obstructing an investigation. Didn't that just happen in the missing CA. girl's case?

moo

In that case, they verified that she was not telling the truth. In this case until they know what the truth is, they don't know what, if anything, to charge her with. LE would have to be able to prove what they are charging her with. JMO

[Adalena935]

IMO, LE needs to be conducting more searches. Go back over the areas first searched with Tim, and go out from there.

I'm sorry the new sheriff is disappointed that very few tips are coming in; I thought LE was rather flippant about the tips in some cases.

1. Physical Searches are in order again. With the dogs.

2. Review the tips already received again.

3. If Misty or anyone else has an inconsistent story, this needs to be addressed.


I do hope the inexperience of the sheriff has not bungled the search for precious Haleigh.

I was re-reading some of the news links in the links thread yesterday about the searches and one said 17 law enforcement agencies and 200 law enforcement officials including helicoptors and the FBI specialists teams for missing children.

LE says Misty is key and I believe them. Why doesn't she just tell the truth?

Misty = inconsistencies as per LE.

I believe them.

[Mimi428]

... a lot of nerve saying KP is taking away from the investigation...

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Speaking only for myself, I think we would have even less information than we already do if KP & Cobra the PI were not involved.

Here is the transcript from JVM's show last night - the Haleigh coverage is way at the bottom. Note the comment from TJ Hart...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/02/ijvm.01.html


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, we have reached out to Misty again today. We do it every day. We want to hear her side. There is an open invitation for her to come on our show and tell her side of the story.

And by the way, we`ve also reached out repeatedly to Greg, but his phone has been disconnected. We even tried to contact him through his MySpace page but he has not responded. We want to talk to him and get his side, too.

Joining me: Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor; Dr. Gail Saltz, psychiatrist and author of "The Ripple Effect;" Curtis Sliwa, founder of "The Guardian Angel;" T.J. Hart, program and news director of WSKY FM 97.3 who joins me by phone.

T.J., what do you know about cops and this man, Greg?

T.J. HART, WSKY FM 97.3 NEWS DIRECTOR: Well, cops will tell me only one thing and that was a couple of weeks ago and they`ll tell me the same thing today as they told me everyday in between. Yes, contact has been made with a fellow by the name of Greg.

"We interview a lot of people. We`ve interviewed a lot -- re- interviewed a lot of people and we cannot comment nor will we divulge anything about an ongoing investigation."

But my sources have come to the same conclusion as Mr. Staubs and also of Kim Picazio`s investigators, that this man may have some information that may hold the key to the disappearance of this child.

I think some folks just want to shoot the messenger.

JMO

[Adalena935]

Pat, Law enforcement didn't say they didn't have any witnesses who saw Misty out of the trailer that night. They said they're not going to talk about it publically for the sake of the integrity of the investigation.

[FrazzledMom]

I'm going to jump in here...

Looking at the photo of Haleigh posted on the main page of the newly set up FindHaleighNow.com, IMHO, It looks like there are injuries to her little arm or maybe it could just be dirt from playing outside? If these are injuries, I wonder if they are connected to the facial injuries from the playground accident? From the photo it looks like she still may have a bit of bruising around her nose, so maybe it is connected. I'm just wondering because with all of the abuse allegations flying around I've heard nothing regarding an injury to her arm. Has anyone heard anything about this?

here is the link to the photo:
http://findhaleighnow.com/Index.html

Just to clarify, I have not formed an opinion regarding the abuse rumors. Or the rumors that either Ron or Crystal are involved in Haleigh's dissappearance. IMO both parents appear to be truly lost right now, not knowing what happened to Haleigh. I do however, feel that Misty knows much more than she is admitting to.

[Adalena935]

Money Girl...which tips do you think they were flippent about? To my knowledge we've never been told what they were.

This is about a week after she was reported missing. LE's press conference where they say they're looking into tips (plural) that the 17 year old girlfriend of the missing child's father may have not been home when Haleigh vanished. From the links thread.

http://www.winknews.com/news/local/39779362.html

Girlfriend's story being checked in abduction case

By The Associated Press
Story Created: Feb 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM EDT
Story Updated: Feb 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM EDT

[Mimi428]

Pat, Law enforcement didn't say they didn't have any witnesses who saw Misty out of the trailer that night. They said they're not going to talk about it publically for the sake of the integrity of the investigation.

Exactly! They will not comment. They will not divulge specifics.

Doesn't mean they don't have any information.

JMO

[Adalena935]

Frazzled Mom, I noticed the bruise on her arm too in that photo and no it hasen't been mentioned. I'm with you on forming no opinion. In my mind I haven't put much stock into the allegations because they're simply that and children do fall down/whatever.

I'm also totally open minded about what might have happened. I don't know. It could be an intruder, the parents, or anything I can't think of. I have no idea and I've said that from the start. It's really a puzzling case.

One thing I believe is that Misty has been giving the cops ther run around with her changing stories which LE dubbed "inconsistencies" and they've said she's key to this case. I believe them.

It's very sad.

I believe Ron Cummings is asware as I am that the cops have said Misty's been inconsistent in her stories and he married her. That I don't get. He's got to know she's been lying to the police. And yes changing stories can't all be right, so some of them have to be fabricated/lies if you will.

[Texas48]

I'm going to jump in here...

Looking at the photo of Haleigh posted on the main page of the newly set up FindHaleighNow.com, IMHO, It looks like there are injuries to her little arm or maybe it could just be dirt from playing outside? If these are injuries, I wonder if they are connected to the facial injuries from the playground accident? From the photo it looks like she still may have a bit of bruising around her nose, so maybe it is connected. I'm just wondering because with all of the abuse allegations flying around I've heard nothing regarding an injury to her arm. Has anyone heard anything about this?

here is the link to the photo:
http://findhaleighnow.com/Index.html

Just to clarify, I have not formed an opinion regarding the abuse rumors. Or the rumors that either Ron or Crystal are involved in Haleigh's dissappearance. IMO both parents appear to be truly lost right now, not knowing what happened to Haleigh. I do however, feel that Misty knows much more than she is admitting to.Jump right in and welcome to the board. I have not seen that photo but will go see now..TY

[?noanswer]

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Speaking only for myself, I think we would have even less information than we already do if KP & Cobra the PI were not involved.

Here is the transcript from JVM's show last night - the Haleigh coverage is way at the bottom. Note the comment from TJ Hart...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/02/ijvm.01.html


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, we have reached out to Misty again today. We do it every day. We want to hear her side. There is an open invitation for her to come on our show and tell her side of the story.

And by the way, we`ve also reached out repeatedly to Greg, but his phone has been disconnected. We even tried to contact him through his MySpace page but he has not responded. We want to talk to him and get his side, too.

Joining me: Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor; Dr. Gail Saltz, psychiatrist and author of "The Ripple Effect;" Curtis Sliwa, founder of "The Guardian Angel;" T.J. Hart, program and news director of WSKY FM 97.3 who joins me by phone.

T.J., what do you know about cops and this man, Greg?

T.J. HART, WSKY FM 97.3 NEWS DIRECTOR: Well, cops will tell me only one thing and that was a couple of weeks ago and they`ll tell me the same thing today as they told me everyday in between. Yes, contact has been made with a fellow by the name of Greg.

"We interview a lot of people. We`ve interviewed a lot -- re- interviewed a lot of people and we cannot comment nor will we divulge anything about an ongoing investigation."

But my sources have come to the same conclusion as Mr. Staubs and also of Kim Picazio`s investigators, that this man may have some information that may hold the key to the disappearance of this child.

I think some folks just want to shoot the messenger.

JMO

If JVM was interested in finding out where Haleigh is, instead of tooting her own horn and show, she would try to get Misty to talk to LE. Misty can talk to her until the cow's come home, but it will not help LE's case. If Misty is going to talk to anyone, it should be LE. JMO
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[Adalena935]

At one point in one of LE's press conferences a reporter asked them if they had any evidence and they said they have "....a lot.." but they're not going to talk about it publically for sake of the integrity of the investigation. They said that frequently at their press conferences.

A very sad case. 52 days is a long time for a child to be missing and there's no doubt Misty is stonewalling law enforcement. There has got to be a reason for that.

She says she loves the child but she's not fessing up regarding the timeline that night when the child vanished. What's with that? How can anyone believe she's sincere in finding Haleigh. Love doesn't act like that. Love goes the extra mile for the object of affection and she's not doing it.

All she's got to do is tell the truth.

[?noanswer]

I'm going to jump in here...

Looking at the photo of Haleigh posted on the main page of the newly set up FindHaleighNow.com, IMHO, It looks like there are injuries to her little arm or maybe it could just be dirt from playing outside? If these are injuries, I wonder if they are connected to the facial injuries from the playground accident? From the photo it looks like she still may have a bit of bruising around her nose, so maybe it is connected. I'm just wondering because with all of the abuse allegations flying around I've heard nothing regarding an injury to her arm. Has anyone heard anything about this?

here is the link to the photo:
http://findhaleighnow.com/Index.html

Just to clarify, I have not formed an opinion regarding the abuse rumors. Or the rumors that either Ron or Crystal are involved in Haleigh's dissappearance. IMO both parents appear to be truly lost right now, not knowing what happened to Haleigh. I do however, feel that Misty knows much more than she is admitting to.

The picture is dated 11-14-08. I think that is within the time frame of the injury. JMO

[FrazzledMom]

Thanks for the reply Adalena. I had not heard anyone mention her arm so I thought I'd ask.
I agree with you that Ron must be aware that Misty is not being completely truthful regarding whatever went down that night. Inconsistant stories are quite a red flag IMO. Misty needs to suck it up and tell LE everything she knows, which it's obvious that at this point she hasn't.
I just hope that something breaks in this case & soon! I do think that LE has a better idea of what happened than they are letting on. Haleigh has been gone quite some time now, which in cases like this is not a good sign. My heart just breaks for this child, and everyone that loves her.

[Mimi428]

If JVM was interested in finding out where Haleigh is, instead of tooting her own horn and show, she would try to get Misty to talk to LE. Misty can talk to her until the cow's come home, but it will not help LE's case. If Misty is going to talk to anyone, it should be LE. JMO
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Do you know with any certainty what specifically has been said to Misty by a representative from JVM's show? If so, please share. I sure can't say that I know what JVM's producers or contact people have said to Misty or anyone else.

And since we do not know what in the world Misty might say, should she agree to speak to someone outside of LE - how can we know in advance whether it would or would not help LE in the investigation?

[?noanswer]

Do you know with any certainty what specifically has been said to Misty by a representative from JVM's show? If so, please share. I sure can't say that I know what JVM's producers or contact people have said to Misty or anyone else.

And since we do not know what in the world Misty might say, should she agree to speak to someone outside of LE - how can we know in advance whether it would or would not help LE in the investigation?


I don't know what JVM's representative have said to her. JVM just keeps saying that Misty is welcome to come on her show and explain. LE is the one with the authority to investigate and determine how reliable her information is. JMO

[FrazzledMom]

I noticed that as well but why would his lawyers post Haleigh with a bruised arm on his website with all of the accusations flying. I would think if it would be dirt that white shirt wouldn't be so white.IMO

Those were my thoughts as well... if it was an injury from abuse I highly doubt the picture would be up on the site as it is. I'm leaning toward it being connected to the playground accident, or even something else just as innocent. I know that my kids have had their fair share of bruises and cuts from accidents while playing.

[Adalena935]

Good Morning !

Not that I'm aware of. Only that trash container/bin and it was 2 weeks later, IIRC

I agree that Misty is the key and if her statements are inconsistent, she needs to be arrested for lying to law enforcement and hindering investigation. Maybe only then will we find out the truth.

bolding mine. I noticed a commonality in the two cases regarding searching trash bins. Search dogs hit on them and that prompted the searches in both cases. JAT

I can't believe the number of SO's in society. What's wrong with these people. Thank all the powers that be we have databases to search now.

[playnice]

Pat, Law enforcement didn't say they didn't have any witnesses who saw Misty out of the trailer that night. They said they're not going to talk about it publically for the sake of the integrity of the investigation.

However, Hardy said he and his investigators cannot prove Misty was not at the house. He said his investigators have not spoken to anyone who saw Misty outside the home the night Haleigh disappeared.

While the investigators have received information from Picazio, Lt. Johnny Greenwood with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said investigators have not received any names of individuals who saw Misty outside the home February 9th.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=135174&catid=295

Someone needs to inform Sheriff Jeff Hardy and Lt. Johnny Greenwood if they can prove it because as of yesterday they must have been clueless to this fact.

[Adalena935]

Thanks for the reply Adalena. I had not heard anyone mention her arm so I thought I'd ask.
I agree with you that Ron must be aware that Misty is not being completely truthful regarding whatever went down that night. Inconsistant stories are quite a red flag IMO. Misty needs to suck it up and tell LE everything she knows, which it's obvious that at this point she hasn't.
I just hope that something breaks in this case & soon! I do think that LE has a better idea of what happened than they are letting on. Haleigh has been gone quite some time now, which in cases like this is not a good sign. My heart just breaks for this child, and everyone that loves her.

I totally agree with you and especially your last paragraph. The poor little girl. Took my little grandaughter to a playground the other day and thought of Haleigh. Heartbreaking.

No matter what happened I can't imagine anything more important than the truth. I don't think Misty's going to tell though which makes her very suspicious to my thinking. I do think LE has an idea of what happened too. And I don't think they're giving up. I don't think the FBI ever gives up on missing children.

[Adalena935]

However, Hardy said he and his investigators cannot prove Misty was not at the house. He said his investigators have not spoken to anyone who saw Misty outside the home the night Haleigh disappeared.

While the investigators have received information from Picazio, Lt. Johnny Greenwood with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said investigators have not received any names of individuals who saw Misty outside the home February 9th.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=135174&catid=295

Someone needs to inform Sheriff Jeff Hardy if they can prove it because as of yesterday he must have been clueless to this fact.

Yes, well there's links in the links thread since the start of this case and I read one the other day saying 17 law enforcement agencies were investigating this case. So when Hardy says *his* investigators never talked to anyone who had the tips maybe he's telling the truth. Maybe it was LE agents from one of the other LE agencies investigating this case. Putnam County Sheriff's are only 1 of the 17 LE agencies.

I'm just saying maybe. It would be a truthful statement from Hardy in that case.
ETA: The link I posted upthread named the LE person who made that statement that they had received tips. shrug

[Mimi428]

I do hope the inexperience of the sheriff has not bungled the search for precious Haleigh.

<snipped>

I know he has not been sheriff long, but I think 15 years in LE means he has some experience. Plus, the FBI & FDLE units started working on the investigation & I am pretty certain that it is the FBI CARD unit that determines the overall handling of a child abduction case.

I am still of the opinion that our greatest frustration stems from the fact that this innocent child is still missing - & it is downright maddening to sit & wonder how she disappeared & why she has not been recovered. I just don't believe that the FBI does not know how to properly manage the investigation of a case like this.

JMO

[?noanswer]

The picture is dated 11-14-08. I think that is within the time frame of the injury. JMO

Quoting myself to add the date of the accident was 11-08-08. JMO

[Mimi428]

I can't believe the number of SO's in society. What's wrong with these people. Thank all the powers that be we have databases to search now.


<snipped>

I wish we had some kind of information about the different levels those sexual offenders fall into. I believe KP made a mention the other night about how there were approx. 40 sexual offenders in the Haleigh area that had a record of offenses against children. I have no doubt that LE knows which of them are likely to be the most dangerous to re-offend with a child victim, but it is doubly disturbing when all the public gets is a number without any breakdown into categories.

JMO

[?noanswer]

<snipped>

I know he has not been sheriff long, but I think 15 years in LE means he has some experience. Plus, the FBI & FDLE units started working on the investigation & I am pretty certain that it is the FBI CARD unit that determines the overall handling of a child abduction case.

I am still of the opinion that our greatest frustration stems from the fact that this innocent child is still missing - & it is downright maddening to sit & wonder how she disappeared & why she has not been recovered. I just don't believe that the FBI does not know how to properly manage the investigation of a case like this.

JMO

If the FBI does not know how to manage an investigation, then I think the world is in a heap of trouble. There are a lot of missing people that have never been found and a lot that have been found. In some cases, it has taken years. The reason cases can't be solved is because there are so many ways to dispose of a person/body and no two missing cases are ever exactly the same. JMO

[Adalena935]

I think the sometimes vague way LE words statements is a part of their not telling what evidence they have during their ongoing investigation for the sake of trying to preserve the integrity of the case.

I believe law enforcement and not Misty. That's just me. If anyone choses to believe Misty is truthful and LE is lying I wouldn't fault them.
It's individual choice.

[?noanswer]

If this was taken 11-14 where are the cuts to her nose?

I guess they are healed to the point, they are not that noticeable. One of the things on her arm looks like it could be a ringworm. JMO

[Mimi428]

Are RC and Misty still residing together and where are they living? If RC has suspicions of her not being there how could he be around her everyday and his mother? This is truly strange IMO

Last I heard, Ron & Misty are staying with his grandmother. It is a complete mystery to me how Ron would be willing to sit in the same room for 5 minutes with the person who was last known to be with Haleigh & not hound her incessantly to clear up any inconsistencies.

As for him marrying her, when he supposedly knew of her very recent involvement with another guy, well....I just don't want to post what I think about that, IYKWIM...

JMO

[Adalena935]

If the FBI does not know how to manage an investigation, then I think the world is in a heap of trouble. There are a lot of missing people that have never been found and a lot that have been found. In some cases, it has taken years. The reason cases can't be solved is because there are so many ways to dispose of a person/body and no two missing cases are ever exactly the same. JMO

I agree. It's got to be so difficult for them. I heard one talking head on either CNN or Fox early in this case saying it's a lot more complicated with many layers and twists and turns than is imagined by the general public and I believe that. I don't envy LE. They have a tough job.

[?noanswer]

Well then that pic is 6 days after her injury, and her face does not look bad at all.

No it doesn't, but bruises do tend to take on different coloration at different stages. I don't know when CS's stepmom took the pictures, but to me these are a non-issue in the custody case as far as proving parental abuse and I don't see where they have any bearing on the missing case as far as determining where Haleigh could be. JMO

[Adalena935]

In the photo of Haleigh's bruised arm someone said the spot looked like ringworm. I noticed that too. When I looked at it just now again it looks like a square with rounded corners. I have no idea what that is.

I've never seen ringworm square with rounded corners but what do I know? Looks like the shape of a bandage of some sort.

[?noanswer]

The people who think Misty is lying about what she knows will never be persuaded to change their minds by hearing her "explain".

That would a foolish attempt. She would be well served to stay as far away from JVM and her show as possible.

In a "gossipy", "rumor laden" situation the more a person talks the less they're believed.

IMHO


I think the fact that Misty has Not gone on her show indicates that Misty is at least showing good judgement in that area. Other areas, I don't know as I don't have any information as to what her story(s) are. JMO

[Tracian]

I come here every day to hope that someone knows what happened to Haleigh and this morning it didn't take until the 4th poster to start the insinuations. We don't know at this point what happened; just have the inconsistencies from Misty. When this starts here right away that is what starts the mud slinging.Unless you have proof why bring in johnny Sheffield's record, a lot of nerve saying KP is taking away from the investigation when posters here are doing the exact same thing, All of this is Bs. IMO


Why bring in the criminal records of the family? Because great joy was taken by some to hack away at Ron for what amounts to misdemeanors.

And KP is taking away from the investigation, because she is in front of cameras, when posters here are respected in the media offering 'teasers' and half truths, on national television, then they too, will be mudding the waters and taking away from the investigation.

Even the Sheriff stated that the infighting is hurting their investigation.

[?noanswer]

In the photo of Haleigh's bruised arm someone said the spot looked like ringworm. I noticed that too. When I looked at it just now again it looks like a square with rounded corners. I have no idea what that is.

I've never seen ringworm square with rounded corners but what do I know? Looks like the shape of a bandage of some sort.

I think you might have hit the nail on the head with the bandage idea. Sometimes they leave a residue and dirt will adhere to the sticky stuff. JMO

[Tracian]

I wonder if his attorneys know with this one picture on the internet they just blew the explanation of her injuries out of the water. I don't see a cut on her nose or any bruising. Crystal's pictures were taken a week before Thanksgiving. Now I am trembling what did this poor child go through.IMO


I don't think it 'blew' anything. I wonder though, if Crystal was so worried, and her father is former LE, why would she not take that child to the ER and get a doctor to confirm her suspicions?

[?noanswer]

I wonder if his attorneys know with this one picture on the internet they just blew the explanation of her injuries out of the water. I don't see a cut on her nose or any bruising. Crystal's pictures were taken a week before Thanksgiving. Now I am trembling what did this poor child go through.IMO

I don't know how one picture would change anything. Have you seen all the progression pictures of the bruises? JMO

[Tracian]

Didn't blow anything!!!! Playground accident Nov 8, this picture nov 14(no cuts or bruises) crytal's pictures the weekend before Thanksgiving did they heal and come back?


You obviously have not seen the pictures that show the progression of the injuries.

Again, why didn't Crystal take Haleigh to the hospital if she was concerned about abuse?

[Mimi428]

Didn't blow anything!!!! Playground accident Nov 8, this picture nov 14(no cuts or bruises) crytal's pictures the weekend before Thanksgiving did they heal and come back?

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[bama__angel]

You obviously have not seen the pictures that show the progression of the injuries.

Again, why didn't Crystal take Haleigh to the hospital if she was concerned about abuse?


Because IMO, for whatever reason, Crystal ( in the past) chose the path of least resistance even when it came to her children......Why I dont know......I hope Crystal would do things differently today....IMO

[Tracian]

Good Grief she reported it to DCF and they explained it as the playground accident and this picture proves that wasn't so.


Nonsense. If I thought my child was being abused to the point where I was compelled to take pictures, I would take a trip to the ER and get a doctor to confirm what I have pictures of, and to get his medical opinion. Also, if a Doctor suspects abuse, his call would have supported her case with DCF.

[Tracian]

I sure hope someone forwards that pic to KP with that date, there is no way after a week after the injuries, she looked like that, and then it just got worse, no way.


Apparently doctors that treated Haleigh would disagree.

[bama__angel]

Nonsense. If I thought my child was being abused to the point where I was compelled to take pictures, I would take a trip to the ER and get a doctor to confirm what I have pictures of, and to get his medical opinion. Also, if a Doctor suspects abuse, his call would have supported her case with DCF.



In case people do not know, if a physician suspects abuse in a child ( say at the ER) a social worker is immediately called in before the child is released, and many times LE is involved at that time.......IMO

[Tracian]

Because IMO, for whatever reason, Crystal ( in the past) chose the path of least resistance even when it came to her children......Why I dont know......I hope Crystal would do things differently today....IMO


IMO, in the past Crystal didn't have a media hungry attorney that offers only half the information to the public to suit her needs.

[Deb7]

That roundish mark on Haleigh's arm looks like a bite mark to me. Like someone bit her. The one above it definitely looks like a bruise to me. JMO

[Tracian]

It might be just like on this post, they had ways of explaining these injuries, no wonder the inconsistencies with Misty...they are a habit of theirs. IMO



Oh please, if Crystal was worried enough to take pictures, and make reports to DCF, then it makes no sense that she was not worried enough to take her child to the ER.

That child was under medical care, for her TS. I am sure if this child was being abused a doctor or school offical would have seen something.

[Tracian]

In case people do not know, if a physician suspects abuse in a child ( say at the ER) a social worker is immediately called in before the child is released, and many times LE is involved at that time.......IMO


Exactly. When a Doctor calls, they move because he/she is objective, not possibly filing false reports out of spite.

Again, there seems to be a failure to remember that Haleigh did go to the doctor often; the injuries that seem to be of such controversy, were also being treated by medical professionals.

[bama__angel]

That roundish mark on Haleigh's arm looks like a bite mark to me. Like someone bit her. The one above it definitely looks like a bruise to me. JMO



Here's what I dont get....Who is releasing these pictures and why do this now? What are posting these pics of your missing child going to do to aid in finding her? How are posting these pics of your missing child going to assist you in a custody case for your other child? Truly this issue will be for a judge to decide.....You and me and whoever else looks at these pics get no vote..

Personally I cant see it.....but that's just me....

[bama__angel]

The only thing it makes me wonder about are the dates.

Are they correct or incorrect, and who can prove which.



IMO...this could be the outcome.....Crystal might see this custody issue come back and bite her in the butt.....A judge could very well believe that neither parent is fit to care for Jr. and he may be placed in foster care.......It happens quite often.......

[Tracian]

YOu posters blow me away...this is definitely an abused child...how many times do we hear "We saw the bruises and they are explained away" and then someone ends up missing or dead. Until this I wasn't so sure but now unless the date is wrong on this picture on the website I don't believe any of these explanations anymore. Pro Bono attorneys...Are they on his side?


It is your opinion she is an abused child.

The fact is that Haleigh was under doctor's care for her TS, so she was also frequently seen by doctors.

The fact is that Crystal had the presents of mind to take pictures, but never thought about taking her own child that she fears is being abused to a doctor to confirm or ease her mind.

The fact is the only pictures that KP has offered were around the time that the school verifies that she was injured there, which KP convientally left out of her horror story on NG until confronted.

The fact is Ron had through out the healing process took Haleigh to the doctor so her healing process was monitored by medical professionals.

The fact is that the school never saw anything to lead them to be concerned about abuse.

So unless the school, doctors and DCF is covering for Ron for whatever reason, there is currently no proof of abuse.

[Mimi428]

That child was under medical care, for her TS. I am sure if this child was being abused a doctor or school offical would have seen something.

I think that would be dependent on a lot of factors you don't mention.

1) What type of abuse?

2) Frequency of occurrence?

3) Severity - enough to ALWAYS leave a visible mark afterwards?

4) Location - is area typically seen by a casual observer or is area on buttocks or another place not usually seen by others?

5) Frequency of doctor visits & whether or not exam was done while she was fully clothed.

And a whole lot more. Bottom line is that if abuse was so easily spotted on children, we wouldn't have half so many stories in the news about children being abused to months & years with nobody knowing.

JMO

[Deb7]

Here's what I dont get....Who is releasing these pictures and why do this now? What are posting these pics of your missing child going to do to aid in finding her? How are posting these pics of your missing child going to assist you in a custody case for your other child? Truly this issue will be for a judge to decide.....You and me and whoever else looks at these pics get no vote..

Personally I cant see it.....but that's just me....


I agree bama_angel, it doesn't make any sense. Although if this alleged abuse (with photo proof) was reported and nothing done about it, then FL DCF has some explaining to do. OTOH I also agree that if you suspect your child is being abused by the other spouse and you don't go to the doctor, (just for a medical eye witness even) but you bother to take pictures, then there is something not syncing up.
I personally wouldn't let either of these 3 (Ron, Crystal, Misty) watch my children while I got a soda out of the fridge. But then again, that is JMO.

[?noanswer]

Bottom Line. The court/DCS is not going to call any of us to intrepret these pictures. The pictures in combination with what is said by Drs., Nurses, school personnel, etc. will be what determines the outcome of the abuse charges. We can spend the rest of the day debating a picture and nothing will change. It will not help find Haleigh.

o/t GR on Fox explaining what LE should do to end a hostage situation. I think they should offer GR in exchange for the hostages. J/K, but where does he come off telling LE what to do. First 5 people were killed, now saying may be more. JMO

[Mimi428]

Again, there seems to be a failure to remember that Haleigh did go to the doctor often...

Do you know with specificity what a typical exam was every time she went to the doctor? How often she went to the doctor?

[KKKKKKatie]

Bottom Line. The court/DCS is not going to call any of us to intrepret these pictures. The pictures in combination with what is said by Drs., Nurses, school personnel, etc. will be what determines the outcome of the abuse charges. We can spend the rest of the day debating a picture and nothing will change. It will not help find Haleigh.

o/t GR on Fox explaining what LE should do to end a hostage situation. I think they should offer GR in exchange for the hostages. J/K, but where does he come off telling LE what to do. First 5 people were killed, now saying may be more. JMO

Can you believe him :rolleyes:

[Tracian]

I think that would be dependent on a lot of factors you don't mention.

1) What type of abuse?

2) Frequency of occurrence?

3) Severity - enough to ALWAYS leave a visible mark afterwards?

4) Location - is area typically seen by a casual observer or is area on buttocks or another place not usually seen by others?

5) Frequency of doctor visits & whether or not exam was done while she was fully clothed.

And a whole lot more. Bottom line is that if abuse was so easily spotted on children, we wouldn't have half so many stories in the news about children being abused to months & years with nobody knowing.

JMO


The only evidence offered for abuse are the pictures around the time of a confirmed injury.

I would assume that Crystal would have seen her child without clothes, she has the child every other weekend, so I would think if this was an on growing concern she would have taken her child to a doctor to get confirmation.

I realize that abuse is not always spotted, it also could be said that Haleigh could have been abused when visiting her mother, because it is not always easily spotted.

Accusations of abuse, sexual and otherwise are very common with parents that share custody; that is why if Crystal really believed her children were being abused she should have done more than take pictures and report to DCF--she should have taken the child to the ER, every time she claims she saw evidence.

Why do children slip through the cracks? Partically it is because of vendictive parents, making reports that bog down the system.

If Haleigh was being abused by Ron or Crystal or anyone in their lives, of course I as would anyone want them punished, but the timing is highly suspect; especially when you consider when Haleigh was first missing, Crystal did say how much Ron loved Haleigh and how close they were.

(I don't know where the link is, I could try a search, but IIRC it was one of the earliest interviews)

Just curious, does anyone know how KP and Crystal hooked up? TIA

[KKKKKKatie]

My bold and red to address

Isn't that against TOS????

Not that I know of bully....but lumping posters together is never a good idea IMO

[Texas48]

If JVM was interested in finding out where Haleigh is, instead of tooting her own horn and show, she would try to get Misty to talk to LE. Misty can talk to her until the cow's come home, but it will not help LE's case. If Misty is going to talk to anyone, it should be LE. JMO
sthi is so funny noanswer..watched jvm last night and I was laughing and saying exact same..WHlY would Misty want to go back on national tv after what happened in NY? Does jvm actually think Misty would come on her show and confess ALL or even want to talk about this case? Would that not be a feather in Jane's hat..????

[Politigal]

does *anyone* know -- did Misty have a vehicle that night??

[Texas48]

He was arrested numerous times and the charges were mysteriously dropped....I have a real problem with this county!I am old enough to say this grma...if..A SO assaulted a child..no matter of age...that SO would have never made it to PD HQ..would have been no need for an arrest..trial..ankle mon...Nope..

[AlohaRainbow]

That roundish mark on Haleigh's arm looks like a bite mark to me. Like someone bit her. The one above it definitely looks like a bruise to me. JMO
to me, it looks like the bruise is right in the antecubital area (the inner bend of the elbow) - where a lab tech often draws blood for lab tests. the squarish with rounded corners marking slightly below that looks like it could have come from a bandaid.

[?noanswer]

The only evidence offered for abuse are the pictures around the time of a confirmed injury.

I would assume that Crystal would have seen her child without clothes, she has the child every other weekend, so I would think if this was an on growing concern she would have taken her child to a doctor to get confirmation.

I realize that abuse is not always spotted, it also could be said that Haleigh could have been abused when visiting her mother, because it is not always easily spotted.

Accusations of abuse, sexual and otherwise are very common with parents that share custody; that is why if Crystal really believed her children were being abused she should have done more than take pictures and report to DCF--she should have taken the child to the ER, every time she claims she saw evidence.

Why do children slip through the cracks? Partically it is because of vendictive parents, making reports that bog down the system.

If Haleigh was being abused by Ron or Crystal or anyone in their lives, of course I as would anyone want them punished, but the timing is highly suspect; especially when you consider when Haleigh was first missing, Crystal did say how much Ron loved Haleigh and how close they were.

(I don't know where the link is, I could try a search, but IIRC it was one of the earliest interviews)

Just curious, does anyone know how KP and Crystal hooked up? TIA


IIRC, it was CS's mom, Marie that contacted her. Some other person had volunteered her service to be a media rep, but when KP came onto the scene, the other person was gone!

The sad part is that if someone wanted to volunteer their service, it should have been to Help find Haleigh. After that is accomplished, all the other perpherial issues, (marriage, child abuse) could have been taken care of. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

does *anyone* know -- did Misty have a vehicle that night??

wish I could help you but I don't know. IIRC she had access to the van that was taken in and tested???

[?noanswer]

does *anyone* know -- did Misty have a vehicle that night??


I don't. Somewhere I read that there was a maroon car, but I can't remember anything else about it. Some have said Misty did not have a license, but I don't know. I have also seen it posted that Misty sometime took Haleigh to the bus stop. I do not have any first hand knowledge about any of this. JMO

[AlohaRainbow]

http://findhaleighnow.com/


Morning Everyone,

It's incredible, to me, that the website set up by Ron's lawyers for Haleigh has not been corrected.


i haven't been able to follow this case as thoroughly as i'd like... what info on the findhaleighnow.com website is incorrect??

[Tracian]

Do you know with specificity what a typical exam was every time she went to the doctor? How often she went to the doctor?


IIRC in the first articles it said she had to go to the doctor for injections in relation to TS, I believe a few times a month.


http://www.fox30online.com/mostpopular/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

From the link:

Ronald told the judge Haleigh has Turner Syndrome and needs hormone treatments by an endocrinologist. He said Sheffield frequently failed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments.

Haleigh's father also told the judge Sheffield had a drug problem and was unemployed.




http://www.examiner.com/x-4819-Chicago-Cable-TV-Examiner~y2009m3d11-HLN-Nancy-Grace-interviews-lawyer-for-Haleigh-Cummings-mother

From the link:

Nancy Grace: Well, a couple of points Ms. Picazio and believe me, I know you are a well-respected member of the bar. But I find it ironic that now is the time when the bio mom arranges all of her media requests that she suddenly decides that Haleigh had been in a bad environment. She’s certainly known all along whom the father is dating and according to the judge in your client’s custody case, the mother, your client, did not have a job. The father did. Haleigh missed a total that we know of, 12 doctor’s appointments while living with the mother. Now maybe there’s an explanation for that, but I know the child has Turner’s syndrome and the mother not only didn’t have a job, but didn’t take the child to the doctor. It’s not like she was working all day and couldn’t make time to take the child to the doctor. I don’t understand that.

Kim Picazio: Well, there’s also, we have to look into the father’s history of taking the child to the doctor. Haleigh was never a child who was well. She had chronic pneumonia and bronchial problems and the father would often leave the children to a teenager who he was living with to drive this child to the doctor on a regular basis.




I don't know how often she had to go, but at the following link, from what I read quickly it seems that many things have to be monitored so I guess it could be very frequent.

http://www.magicfoundation.org/www/docs/115/turner_syndrome

[?noanswer]

Has anyone heard anything else about whether Cobra is still in the area. What is the story of him holding someone (SO) hostage? Also didn't he say the case would be solved by the end of this week? There was also a poster, supposedly local, on another site a week or so ago that said she was in contact with LE and the case would be solved momentarily. Something about helicopters flying around. Has anyone heard anymore about that? JMO

[bama__angel]

Has anyone heard anything else about whether Cobra is still in the area. What is the story of him holding someone (SO) hostage? Also didn't he say the case would be solved by the end of this week? There was also a poster, supposedly local, on another site a week or so ago that said she was in contact with LE and the case would be solved momentarily. Something about helicopters flying around. Has anyone heard anymore about that? JMO


My opinion only regarding this Cobra person: I would trust him as much as I would actually trust the snake .

[bama__angel]

My opinion only regarding this Cobra person: I would trust him as much as I would actually trust the snake .


In all honesty, I would probably trust the snake more......

[Tracian]

I am old enough to say this grma...if..A SO assaulted a child..no matter of age...that SO would have never made it to PD HQ..would have been no need for an arrest..trial..ankle mon...Nope..


Yeppers, I am with you on that.

[CANDYKISSES]

The people who think Misty is lying about what she knows will never be persuaded to change their minds by hearing her "explain".

That would a foolish attempt. She would be well served to stay as far away from JVM and her show as possible.

In a "gossipy", "rumor laden" situation the more a person talks the less they're believed.

IMHO

AMEN KATHY RAE, and I think if KP was sincere and had what she claimed, she would have marched those people straight down to headquarters for LE or she would have called LE on the spot. I think she's blowing wind again as she continues to try and fit the square peg into the round hole IMO.

Misty needs a lawyer, not a trip to JVM IMO and IMO KP needs a review by the BAR concerning her ethics. I want to find Haleigh just as much as the next person, but I continue to believe KP and her associates have been a detriment to this case for the past few weeks IMO.

I am still not convinced that any of the biological parents or their S/O's have done something regarding the missing status of Haleigh Cummings, but whoever is responsible for this needs to be found so this family can be reunited with Haleigh one way or the other. I still fear it's one of those unregistered sex offenders who hasn't met up with the law yet and it's depressing to go down that road IMO. However, the idea of retribution is no longer foreign to me either. :sad:

[?noanswer]

How many times has she been arrested with drugs?

Being arrested for drugs does't mean one is using them. The only thing I know about CS's drug usuage is what she has said herself. JMO

[Peaches]

How many times has she been arrested with drugs?

No arrest means nothing...............because how many times do people speed before they ever get a ticket. Same difference to me.

[?noanswer]

As stated in the Art Harris interview, Crystal was tested for drugs after her accident and it was clean. Obviously had Crystal been doing drugs, it would have shown up and she would have been charged, thus losing her license, no?

I believe it's pretty safe to say Crystal is off drugs. Whether she is going through withdrawal or just plain broken from all these tragic events is not known yet.

jmo

AH is reporting what CS told him. Medical personnel cannot reveal what happened when she was in the hospital. JMO

[?noanswer]

I thought we heard that seizures run in Crystal's family?

I think that was reported by AH, but his version of events on the two seizures are not the same as the other two versions. There are at least 3 versions and all are different. Which one is correct? JMO

[crymeariver2006]

As stated in the Art Harris interview, Crystal was tested for drugs after her accident and it was clean. Obviously had Crystal been doing drugs, it would have shown up and she would have been charged, thus losing her license, no?

I believe it's pretty safe to say Crystal is off drugs. Whether she is going through withdrawal or just plain broken from all these tragic events is not known yet.

jmo

Seizures can also result from head injuries, even those that occurred months or years prior to the onset of the first seizure.

I'm more inclined to believe they are a result of her auto accident last year.

But that's just me.

[crymeariver2006]

True, but the cops can and do make an arrest when someone is driving under the influence, agree?

jmo

Yes they can, even with just suspicion of driving under the influence. Since the accident was auto related, I have no doubt that her blood alcohol was tested and revealed nothing.

JMO

[?noanswer]

True, but the cops can and do make an arrest when someone is driving under the influence, agree?

jmo

I don't know. I guess the cops can test for alcohol and I think they do make an arrest, but I would think Medical care would come first. As far as drugs, I don't know if cops can test for that on site or not. There could still be an arrest after someone is taken to the hospital if they tested postive. JMO

[?noanswer]

Why do you ignore the fact Ron was arrested multiple times with drugs? Do you think he needs treatment too? He was so high during that Geraldo interview, blatantly high, but why do you or any of his other supporters gloss over that?

As I stated that the only think I know about CS is what she has stated herself. That is the same with RC. The only thing I know is what he has stated. If he was high during the GR interview, there is nothing I can do about it. JMO

[bama__angel]

ummmmmmm there is NO proof she was tested for drugs and was clean. all we have is crystal SAYING she was...........why should we believe her? we ALL know she has a habit of making stories up.


JMHO


That is so true.....no one from the hospital will talk about the results of any test, anything period.......Hippa laws....privacy...and you WILL LOSE your job........

[AlohaRainbow]

i haven't been able to follow this case as thoroughly as i'd like... what info on the findhaleighnow.com website is incorrect??
bump

does anyone know what info on the findhaleighnow.com is incorrect?

[Squidward]

bump

does anyone know what info on the findhaleighnow.com is incorrect?

I have not checked if they fixed it yet today but last night Haleigh's eye color was listed a blue not brown, and her height is listed as 3'9" and on the Amber Alert she is said to be 3 ft tall

[?noanswer]

That is so true.....no one from the hospital will talk about the results of any test, anything period.......Hippa laws....privacy...and you WILL LOSE your job........


Yes, a whole bunch of people were fired and others disciplined for looking at Octmon's records. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

You might want to watch what you WRITE about accusations of Ron and drugs with out proof or a MOO.
Don't have to take my advice though....


And the same is true for accusations about Crystal and drugs without proof, right?

[crymeariver2006]

I have not checked if they fixed it yet today but last night Haleigh's eye color was listed a blue not brown, and her height is listed as 3'9" and on the Amber Alert she is said to be 3 ft tall

Isn't the timeline 7:00 p.m. to 3:27 a.m. also?

[AlohaRainbow]

thanks to all who answered :smile:

[Squidward]

Isn't the timeline 7:00 p.m. to 3:27 a.m. also?

according to LE unless I missed something yes, but maybe they are going with Misty's "story" that she covered Haleigh at 10

[JackiBlu]

to me, it looks like the bruise is right in the antecubital area (the inner bend of the elbow) - where a lab tech often draws blood for lab tests. the squarish with rounded corners marking slightly below that looks like it could have come from a bandaid.


That's what I thought it looked like too. JMO

[CC I See]

Before I would ever question Kim Picazia's sincerity in this case, I would need facts. I believe she is handling this investigation just as any Officer of the Court should, allowing for witnesses rights and urging them to go to LE and give their statements.

LE is under no obligation to notify the public who's talking and who isn't, imo.

Right you are. Witnesses might be so afraid of Ron that they might need to stand behind a cloak of anonymity for protection. They lose this once they go to LE. LE needs to hide as much of their testimony as possible so that the family does not retaliate.

[IlliniFan]

“A lot of the times we hear things from 8 different people who did not know each other including eyewitnesses. And at this point we have a pretty solid timeline. We think we know what happened in that house up until about 10:30. There’s a wide gap in time from 10:30 till three in the morning and somewhere in that timeframe, Haleigh went missing,” said Picazio.
snipped and bolded by me...

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/kim-picazio-reveals-investigation-details-in-the-haleigh-cummings-case/

Kim has pretty much the same timeline...?imo

[crymeariver2006]

I think it is on record from her own mouth of her drug use.MOO

Yes, and she said in the PAST.

Accusations about current drug use, without proof, are unfounded and unwarranted. There is also nothing to suggest that drugs/alcohol were the cause of her seizures, nor the cause of her auto accident.

[IlliniFan]

It is Haleigh's mother's opinion that Haliegh has been abused, also. What would you consider "proof?" As a mother, I am shocked that you are not putting the children first. Your "facts" appear to be your own beliefs, because there is no way you "know" to be true all that you claim above. This is my opinion.

Well, there has been information posted on the board that Ron is meth user...I don't think any of us "know" that to be true, right??

Maybe we should focus on Haleigh and pray that by some miracle she will be found alive...imo

[IlliniFan]

The web master would have entered the stats, right?
It's possible Ron isn't aware of these errors or have looked at the site for all we know.

Correct, I doubt Ron or his attorney built the site. I sent them an email...imo

[JackiBlu]

As stated in the Art Harris interview, Crystal was tested for drugs after her accident and it was clean. Obviously had Crystal been doing drugs, it would have shown up and she would have been charged, thus losing her license, no?

I believe it's pretty safe to say Crystal is off drugs. Whether she is going through withdrawal or just plain broken from all these tragic events is not known yet.

jmo


Of course she is going to say her drug tests were clean. I don't think she would admit if they weren't.

JMO

[IlliniFan]

CrimeStoppers has been taking tips, and those are anonymous. I think that most people in and around Satsuma know that...imo

[JackiBlu]

becoming more and more apparent her stories weren't made up at all..now Misty...that's another story IMO


What stories of Crystal's weren't made up? Do you have proof or a link?

JMO

[?noanswer]

They need to be more afraid of Crystal's father then Ron,according to Johnny Sheffield's arrest records.

Maybe the people that are afraid of JS are the ones that are coming forth to KP with information. JMO

[JackiBlu]

Until someone tells me that the date on that picture on his website is wrong the abuse allegations should be revisited. Yes he still has custody and after all that has happened I wish somebody would do something. IMO

Then the same goes for the pictures Crystal gave to KP with no date or time stamp.

JMO

[emdragon]

I think she would have been arrested for driving under the influence if she hadn't been clean IMO

Oh then you would agree the same would be true for Ron and the accident Crystal claims her "cousin" told her Ron was high at the time.


LE would have tested Crystal's BAL they wouldn't run a battery of tests for other drugs.

[JackiBlu]

It is Haleigh's mother's opinion that Haliegh has been abused, also. What would you consider "proof?" As a mother, I am shocked that you are not putting the children first. Your "facts" appear to be your own beliefs, because there is no way you "know" to be true all that you claim above. This is my opinion.


If she thought either Haleigh or Jr were abused then why didn't she take them to the ER or a doctor? She had them every other weekend for how many years?

If she would have done that then maybe there would have been "facts". I don't believe either were abused.

JMO

[emdragon]

Why did Ron get mad about pictures that did not dictate what happened to her at school? We see a pic of her a week later, do you see those marks in her chin area? I can make out a slight black eye in that pic, that would be consistent with a fall, and she has it in the pic Ron got all mad about, but those pics KP put out are not injuries as a result of that playground fall, we see her a week later! Shes not beat up like she was in that pic KP put out.

If you can't see why a man whose daughter is missing would get mad about being accused of abuse and seeing pictures exploiting his daughter in order to smear him then I simply can't explain it to you.

[Tracian]

Well, I am not the one having a hard time believing Ron is a drug addict based on legit evidence, not rumor. I feel bad for any woman who has been abused by a man, I realize now why the stigma no one will believe them exists.

jmo


Really? What about the women that make false claims of abuse or rape....Duke U ring a bell?

Maybe if some women (and men) in custody battle would not use their children as pawns or leverage this would not be an issue.

Maybe if we (generalization) held those that make false allegations responsible this likewise would end that trend.

[JackiBlu]

At least she was honest.


I thought you said she didn't use drugs?

JMO

[Tracian]

Seriously? You see no reason for Ron to get angry when he was being accused of beating Haleigh.

It was clear when those phot's were taken and the ones Crystal and her Lawyer released to the media to smear Ron were countered very nicely by the pictures Ron had of the progression of the school injury.

Taken I'm sure because he had dealt with the family enough to know they would level abuse accusations.


Exactly. Seems that it is also lost in the cruxifiction of Ron that Haleigh was brought to the doctor through her recovery time as well.

[mep]

Correct, I doubt Ron or his attorney built the site. I sent them an email...imo

findhaleighnow.com is registered to Ron's attorney: http://www.whois.net/whois/findhaleighnow.com

Also, another interesting link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6QY30jQ1Uo&feature=channel_page

[emdragon]

Ron said those pics of Haleigh, put out by KP, were the result of an accident on the 8th of November- thats a fact.

However, on Rons site for Haleigh, there is a pic of her 7 days later and she looks like she is healing up very nicely after that accident.

The pics put out by KP, that riled up Ron, did not accurately display the playground accident.

How do you explain how her face got all cut up and worse after the 14th?

Well the school, CPS and the Hospital all agreed that the injuries were from the fall... but thanks for playing.

[JackiBlu]

I think she would have been arrested for driving under the influence if she hadn't been clean IMO


We don't even know for sure that she had a drug test. Could be she would not give consent for any test. Maybe that is why no other tests were done like MRI etc. I would think the doctor would want to do that asap.

JMO

[emdragon]

So I guess lets turn a blind eye to what is possible here and pray to God that Jr is safe and who said crystal's attorney would not agree she said all along she has proof she sent to DCF, did you see her proof?

Well DCF would have seen that "proof" and yet Jr is still with Ron...

[IlliniFan]

findhaleighnow.com is registered to Ron's attorney: http://www.whois.net/whois/findhaleighnow.com

Also, another interesting link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6QY30jQ1Uo&feature=channel_page


I sent them an email..

[Texas48]

"Hell has no fury like a woman scorned". Hello bam bam...got a link? lol..just kidding with ya. ITA w/this post

[Tracian]

It is Haleigh's mother's opinion that Haliegh has been abused, also. What would you consider "proof?" As a mother, I am shocked that you are not putting the children first. Your "facts" appear to be your own beliefs, because there is no way you "know" to be true all that you claim above. This is my opinion.


Crystal if she thought her child was abused has a responsiblity to take said child to a doctor; not just take pictures and make DCF reports.

Of course Crystal is not really up on taking Haleigh to the doctor, another reason sited in the custody report.

I do put children first, and that includes being careful that they are not used in a tug of war, pawns of a spiteful parent, ripped away from a parent before any evidence of abuse is proved.

Yeah, that is healthy for a child...yanked away from a parent without any supporting evidence.

[JackiBlu]

And this has what to do with finding Haleigh!


Same as when you responded to my post about not telling the truth about drug test.

JMO

[Tracian]

Playing????YOu think this is a joke, until the date on that picture is proven to be incorrect there are some serious doubts about his excuses.


No, this is not remotely amusing. Making accusations, suddenly becomes proof.

Guess the doctors that treated Haleigh and ordered the CAT scan are in on this with Ron.

Swell.

[mep]

I sent them an email..

They should change it as fast as they can, it doesn't look good for them to create a website for their client with incorrect information on it. And to boot, they have links to their own website twice on the main page, I think it makes them look unorganized and unprofessional.

[Tracian]

Oh, so those pics of Haleigh, that sent Ron off were not of her injuries on the playground, because Ron said they were.


During that time, she went to the doctor, and a CAT scan was ordered. Do you think that a doctor would ignore such obvious signs of abuse if there was not a reason for such injuries?

[JackiBlu]

So was I, I had to I woke up to find my vehicle gone and reported it stolen, then I found out my son borrowed it during the night because he had a flat tire. They were going to charge him with unauthorized use of a vehicle so I told them I lied. So lock me up!!!!

You were charged????? You said "So was I". JMO

[Tracian]

He ripped them away from her and wouldn't return them


The court agreed with him.

[JackiBlu]

FA, she was transfered by rescue...


I believe there are 3 different stories on that in the links section.

JMO

[JackiBlu]

She was transported by rescue she did not get a ticket and her DL was valid without restrictions.


How do we know these facts? Do you have a link? TIA


JMO

[Texas48]

It is Haleigh's mother's opinion that Haliegh has been abused, also. What would you consider "proof?" As a mother, I am shocked that you are not putting the children first. Your "facts" appear to be your own beliefs, because there is no way you "know" to be true all that you claim above. This is my opinion. Good post seeker for all of us imo.

[bama__angel]

The court agreed with him.



I dont think Ron ripped their children away from Crystal........She allowed him to carry an infant and an 18 month old out of state for hime to work.........My question is what is a mother thinking to let her infant son be taken away from her for an extended period of time, a 6 month old is still bonding, breastfeeding, etc.....Why would Crystal even allow that? If someone has a good answer, please tell me.....That has me stumped.....

[emdragon]

Playing????YOu think this is a joke, until the date on that picture is proven to be incorrect there are some serious doubts about his excuses.

Do I think this is a joke? It is getting to be. How many times a day and how many days a week is this same argument brought up and discounted with the same information-based on facts.

Haleigh saw Doctor's during the time span, it was not Crystal who took her either- she got a nice picture taken to show DCF but didn't think it important to take the child to the hospital.

To continue to claim that the pictures related to the school fall are proof of abuse is a joke now, a very sad and ugly joke.

[Tracian]

paperwork went to Jacksonville address she wasn't in court and he got custody.


And she never refiled?

[Texas48]

Is it really a shock young people may smoke a little pot? Do you know hoe many nightclubs are filled with drunken kids doing extacy and whatnot? There are places in this world where its legal to smoke pot, buy it, I am really sure the our country will legalize pot before lets say, GHB, heroin, etc. jmoI thought one of Crystal's friends hosted her party? I believe there were some plastic "leaves" and just stuff. Did anyone see photos or make a statement about party goers were smoking?

[emdragon]

He ripped them away from her and wouldn't return them

He took the children with her permission, he did not "rip" them away from her.

She was high on drugs so he would not return them to her... sounds like the actions of a good father. He then sought custody.

And you really need to stop saying he got custody because she wasn't at the hearing.. She had a hearing in front of a judge and she admitted to using drugs and not taking Haleigh to her Dr appointments, sometimes because she didn't want to get up.

That is why she lost custody- it is all in the documents in writing.

[Texas48]

Most likely after her maryjane birthday party. I admire her for telling the truth instead of pretending like it never happened. She owns her past and I can't say the same for a lot of other people involved in this case.

my own opinions.So she actually did make comments to the fact they were smoking pot at b-day party? I remember when Crystal admitted doing drugs on nat. tv but not about the party...gotta go read some more.

[emdragon]

Though your post was not directed at me, it stood out and I can't help but ask:

Do you mean to sound so uncaring?

"Thanks for Playing"? Are you truly this biased? Don't you realize that there is an on-going investigation into child abuse taking place behind the scenes?

Isn't this about Haleigh and all children? My opinion.

Not sure how I am uncaring unless it is because I think Crystal is lying.
Biased? you might want to ask other posters that question since they keep repeating the same old false information.

I find it very sad that if Crystal really thought her kids were being abused she wouldn't have taken them for medical help instead if just "Documenting" an injury. That to me is someone uncaring.

[Tracian]

Though your post was not directed at me, it stood out and I can't help but ask:

Do you mean to sound so uncaring?

"Thanks for Playing"? Are you truly this biased? Don't you realize that there is an on-going investigation into child abuse taking place behind the scenes?

Isn't this about Haleigh and all children? My opinion.


And you don't think those that already convicted Ron of abuse are biased?

You think it is healthy for a child to be taken from a parent without proof of abuse?

[Texas48]

Her father was there and told the PO, she was having a seizure, under stress from her daughter being missing. Do you really think the PO doubted him? I doubt it, therefore no drug or alcohol test.If the officer had smelled alcohol, she would have been tested. I don't think alcohol is her problem. MOO
I believe the hospital would have run ALL kinds of blood work on Crystal and drugs woulld have showed up big time.

[Tracian]

Please do not tell me what to stop saying, believe me bigger people than you have tried that: she was not at the first hearing when he was awarded custody. She was there when she went to get them back.


And she lost.

[emdragon]

Did he tell her he was going out of state or he wanted them for haleigh's b'day. Why not return them after he came back? Instead he files for custody and sends paperwork to Jacksonville. I understand Teflon Ron more and more everyday.

Yes she knew he was taking them out of state.
And as has been repeated at nausium.. Crystal was on drugs and he wasn't giving the kids back to her. (and for the record, she admitted her drug use on the record when she had her day in court before a judge)

[IlliniFan]

I believe the hospital would have run ALL kinds of blood work on Crystal and drugs woulld have showed up big time.

What I find strange is that the girl goes to the ER with a seizure, yet a CT scan wasn't done? So, who knows what kinds of tests they ran. I believe the lab techs have to run a specific test for illicit drugs. They would not show up in a CBC, or other related routine blood work?

I think I read yesterday that she is scheduled for a CT, soon.

Hopefully she's ok.

[Texas48]

She was transported by rescue she did not get a ticket and her DL was valid without restrictions.LE can issue Crystal a traffic citation at any given time..Most officers DO NOT issue at scene if ppl were taken to Hospital..afterwards LE can work up MVA report and citation(s) can/will be mailed to parties..

[emdragon]

Please do not tell me what to stop saying, believe me bigger people than you have tried that: she was not at the first hearing when he was awarded custody. She was there when she went to get them back.

She was given a NEW hearing based on her story to the court about the wrong address. That means she had her opportunity to give the court the information to show she would be the better parent. She couldn't show that. period. She then was given an additional 10 days to file an objection which she failed to do.
She didn't lose those kids she gave them away.

[Deb7]

to me, it looks like the bruise is right in the antecubital area (the inner bend of the elbow) - where a lab tech often draws blood for lab tests. the squarish with rounded corners marking slightly below that looks like it could have come from a bandaid.


Another good thought on it. It could very well be that too. It just looks like there is dried blood in some spots when I enlarged the photo, but who really knows. That upper mark though, is almost unmistakenly a large bruise. JMO

[bama__angel]

What I find strange is that the girl goes to the ER with a seizure, yet a CT scan wasn't done? So, who knows what kinds of tests they ran. I believe the lab techs have to run a specific test for illicit drugs. They would not show up in a CBC, or other related routine blood work?

I think I read yesterday that she is scheduled for a CT, soon.

Hopefully she's ok.


You are correct......Drugs will not show up in a CBC/platelet count or even a chem 12....There are specific tests for drug toxicity.......I am wondering why at least a cat scan or an MRI of brain wasnt done that day.....IMO

[Texas48]

I sent them an email..Gonna jump in here real fast and ask..any new news on Haleigh today..been off and on board today..doctors expect a patient should keep their appts.lol..Doesn't except excuse of the .board..lol..would be so nice if something would break in this case

[bama__angel]

She was given a NEW hearing based on her story to the court about the wrong address. That means she had her opportunity to give the court the information to show she would be the better parent. She couldn't show that. period. She then was given an additional 10 days to file an objection which she failed to do.
She didn't lose those kids she gave them away.



I believe that also......For whatever her reasons were at that time....Crystal chose not to fight to keep her children....IMO

[Texas48]

Yep, but my cousin worked in the D.A."s office and like in satsuma the charges were droppedI believe this happends in EVERY town in the entire country..It just depends on WHO u know...

[bama__angel]

Don't understand that either...why not joint custody...why did he get full custody(and please don't go to the drug theory especially with Ron's record.) Looks to me the same forces at work that got his charges dropped gave him an unfair advantage there.



grma.....because Crystal didnt ask for joint custody......Can you not see that? She didnt ask........

[Squidward]

findhaleighnow.com is registered to Ron's attorney: http://www.whois.net/whois/findhaleighnow.com

Also, another interesting link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6QY30jQ1Uo&feature=channel_page

Thanks for the link! For anyone that can't watch the video the article about the interview is on Art Harris' web page:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#more-1526

That was an interesting interview and article. I hope the part about Misty wanting a baby are not true, IMO the girl shouldn't even be left in charge of a goldfish!

[Tracian]

Don't understand that either...why not joint custody...why did he get full custody(and please don't go to the drug theory especially with Ron's record.) Looks to me the same forces at work that got his charges dropped gave him an unfair advantage there.


At one time Crystal only had supervised visition, Ron asked that to be stopped and have regular vistation with the children.

What forces? Was it unfair when your cousin got your charges dropped, where you taking advantage?

And like you, Ron's charges were dropped, he was not found guilty.

One of the reasons that Ron may have gotten custody is because Crystal missed taking Hayleigh to the doctor several times.

[IlliniFan]

Gonna jump in here real fast and ask..any new news on Haleigh today..been off and on board today..doctors expect a patient should keep their appts.lol..Doesn't except excuse of the .board..lol..would be so nice if something would break in this case

No news today, that I know of, sadly. I just hope the media doesn't forget about Haleigh. Every day there seems to be a another missing child somewhere. Not enough air time to cover all the cases, I guess.

Hopefully someone will post any breaking news!!

[Texas48]

Do I think this is a joke? It is getting to be. How many times a day and how many days a week is this same argument brought up and discounted with the same information-based on facts.

Haleigh saw Doctor's during the time span, it was not Crystal who took her either- she got a nice picture taken to show DCF but didn't think it important to take the child to the hospital.

To continue to claim that the pictures related to the school fall are proof of abuse is a joke now, a very sad and ugly joke.And Why keep responding to post after post? Change the topic if it is not to your liking..Who did the web for Haleigh? I know at one time Viking was going to do set one up for all.Anyone know? TIA

[Texas48]

findhaleighnow.com is registered to Ron's attorney: http://www.whois.net/whois/findhaleighnow.com

Also, another interesting link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6QY30jQ1Uo&feature=channel_page
I should have read more before I posted..Did Viking do this one?

[bama__angel]

Well enlighten me what did she ask for when she went back to court



According to the court documents, from what I have read she didnt ask for anything.IMO.......grma.....everyone has opinions on a mother losing custody of her children......But I have to say this, in my state typically for a mom to lose custody of her children she almost has to voluntarily give them up......A woman can be a ( gutter running drunk skank ) and family court will still try to keep children with their mama by offering all sorts of support and educational services to mom.....now this is under strict court supervision....IMO

[Texas48]

What I find strange is that the girl goes to the ER with a seizure, yet a CT scan wasn't done? So, who knows what kinds of tests they ran. I believe the lab techs have to run a specific test for illicit drugs. They would not show up in a CBC, or other related routine blood work?

I think I read yesterday that she is scheduled for a CT, soon.

Hopefully she's ok.I hope so too fan. I believe the first think nursing staff did after they took her info..start blood workup. Drugs absolutely would have shown..even legal drugs.

[nana6]

I believe the hospital would have run ALL kinds of blood work on Crystal and drugs woulld have showed up big time.

If she had a seizure or even more, the hospital would have done many tests including and MRI of her brain. They are looking for epilepsy and tumors etc. when they do these tests.

[bama__angel]

I hope so too fan. I believe the first think nursing staff did after they took her info..start blood workup. Drugs absolutely would have shown..even legal drugs.



Just depends on the blood work ordered....A CBC or chem profile will not show drug usage.......

[emdragon]

And Why keep responding to post after post? Change the topic if it is not to your liking..Who did the web for Haleigh? I know at one time Viking was going to do set one up for all.Anyone know? TIA

I respond because I hate misinformation and the fact that a new poster might read something and believe false information.

Not sure what happened with a web site. My hubby was willing to host it free except for the cost of the domain name (which he has no control of) but i never heard anything else. The we got haleighbug and i guess this new one Ron's lawyer set up.

[nana6]

At one time Crystal only had supervised visition, Ron asked that to be stopped and have regular vistation with the children.

What forces? Was it unfair when your cousin got your charges dropped, where you taking advantage?

And like you, Ron's charges were dropped, he was not found guilty.

One of the reasons that Ron may have gotten custody is because Crystal missed taking Hayleigh to the doctor several times.
Sorry I do not have a link but I remember someone saying that she missed 12 dr. appts.

[IlliniFan]

I hope so too fan. I believe the first think nursing staff did after they took her info..start blood workup. Drugs absolutely would have shown..even legal drugs.

Well, I thought they had to run a toxicology screen to gather that information. In any event, I hope Crystal has the CT. (if I had a seizure I would be pretty darn scared, but she is not thinking of her heath at this point with Haliegh missing)

[nana6]

Nurses do NOT do anything without a doctors order. Nurses can NOT order blood work. Maybe in Texas but NOT in Florida.

nowhere can they order blood work imo

[nana6]

Doctor hubby just told me that doctors oder a urine tox screen to tell if a patient has had drugs in their system in the past week.

[Squidward]

Wow, this part shouted at me!

So what if she (slept with)” a black man, he said, using the racial epithet. “I still love her and one of my best friends is black.”


So could the black man be rons friend?

I don't know, I think that Ron may have been referring to Greg when he said that.

The part that stood out to me was the part about "Nay Nay", Haleigh would tell Ron Nay Nay had been there and Ron would get mad, makes me wonder what else Misty may have been afraid of Haleigh telling him???

[Texas48]

Thanks for the link! For anyone that can't watch the video the article about the interview is on Art Harris' web page:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#more-1526

That was an interesting interview and article. I hope the part about Misty wanting a baby are not true, IMO the girl shouldn't even be left in charge of a goldfish!TY for the link Squid..a very good article.

[nana6]

I don't know, I think that Ron may have been referring to Greg when he said that.

The part that stood out to me was the part about "Nay Nay", Haleigh would tell Ron Nay Nay had been there and Ron would get mad, makes me wonder what else Misty may have been afraid of Haleigh telling him???

We have talked on the Caylee thread that Caylee was getting to the age where she could talk alot more and give out information that maybe Casey did not want her parents to know too.

[IlliniFan]

Doctor hubby just told me that doctors oder a urine tox screen to tell if a patient has had drugs in their system in the past week.


Oh, ok,,,I think I said a blood test, sorry if I misled anyone. lol there goes my medical licence....

and thank-you...

[Squidward]

But I thought Ron didn't know Greg?

Greg said he didn't know Ron, so they probably did not know each other, but maybe Ron knew of Greg, maybe through gossip or whatever, someone may have seen Misty with him and told Ron.

[emdragon]

Didn't Crystal have a seizure days before Haleigh went missing? In that case Dr's would have done all the initial test at that time.. MRI/CAT scan etc. So when she had the latest one their might not have been a need for repeating the same tests.

Blood tests do not just how everything in your system... different tests must be ordered for different things and substances. And Dr's would not test for drug use unless it was a medical necessity, which may not have been in this case- for all we know Crystal may have already been on something for seizures.. and if she did have one only weeks ago she never should have been behind the wheel.

(i do remember reading about her having one before- but I have been out of touch the past couple of days and admit that may have been one of those early reporting mistakes)

[nana6]

Oh, ok,,,I think I said a blood test, sorry if I misled anyone. lol there goes my medical licence....

Oh no Illi I didn't mean to correct you. He is home now so I just asked him what kind of tests a doctor does to find out if a patient has been doing drugs that all.

[mep]

I should have read more before I posted..Did Viking do this one?

I don't know who Viking is, but this website was registered Law Office of T. Jerry Snider (Kimball and Snider, P.A.; Ron's attorney). At the bottom of the main page on www.findhaleighnow.com it says: Snider Web Designs, a division of Aspen Network Solutions (904)234-4645

[Texas48]

No news today, that I know of, sadly. I just hope the media doesn't forget about Haleigh. Every day there seems to be a another missing child somewhere. Not enough air time to cover all the cases, I guess.

Hopefully someone will post any breaking news!!TY for responding to my post/question. I have seen a few reports on the little girl from CA..but..I really don't know if I can follow it like I followed Caylee and Haleigh cases. Takes a whole lot out of a person..at least it does me. We shall see. And of course I said that after the NE and Caylee case and then little Haleigh went missing and....here I am again. Never say Never..

[nana6]

Didn't Crystal have a seizure days before Haleigh went missing? In that case Dr's would have done all the initial test at that time.. MRI/CAT scan etc. So when she had the latest one their might not have been a need for repeating the same tests.

Blood tests do not just how everything in your system... different tests must be ordered for different things and substances. And Dr's would not test for drug use unless it was a medical necessity, which may not have been in this case- for all we know Crystal may have already been on something for seizures.. and if she did have one only weeks ago she never should have been behind the wheel.

(i do remember reading about her having one before- but I have been out of touch the past couple of days and admit that may have been one of those early reporting mistakes)

I think I remember somewhere I heard that if you have a seizure you cannot drive a car for 6 months That is the way it is here in Ohio I know that,

[Texas48]

I respond because I hate misinformation and the fact that a new poster might read something and believe false information.

Not sure what happened with a web site. My hubby was willing to host it free except for the cost of the domain name (which he has no control of) but i never heard anything else. The we got haleighbug and i guess this new one Ron's lawyer set up.TY for responding to my post..I will check out the one Ron set up..I still wounder if Viking helped? Are u here Viking?

[IlliniFan]

Oh no Illi I didn't mean to correct you. He is home now so I just asked him what kind of tests a doctor does to find out if a patient has been doing drugs that all.

I know you were just letting us all know, and I do appreciate it....thanks

[nana6]

This is not always true. Casey Anthony went to the hospital for a seizure, and she never had her license revoked, and she is in Florida. I think its when a Grand Mal seizure occurs.

Hi Poch, I just asked my hubby again and he said here in Ohio it is if you have any seizure. I guess different laws for different states maybe.

[Texas48]

Nurses do NOT do anything without a doctors order. Nurses can NOT order blood work. Maybe in Texas but NOT in Florida.
My goodness bam..I did not mean how I posted or how u took my post..Let me make it simple..the Dr. would have issued orders on what he wanted as far as workup goes..I feel certain there would have been many test on blood work and the nursing staff would have then taken patient's history and then begun blood work. Now I feel better.

[nana6]

bbl friends

[Squidward]

We have talked on the Caylee thread that Caylee was getting to the age where she could talk alot more and give out information that maybe Casey did not want her parents to know too.

That may have been the reason why she did what she did.

I think that it is an important bit of info that Haleigh would tell Ron things that happened while he was away, and that certain things she told him made him mad. May be the reason for Misty's inconsistencies.

[playnice]

If Misti was crashing from all the drugs over the weekend it makes sense that her memory is foggy about that night.That might account for the inconsistancies. And she may have been so out of it she didnt hear anything and wake up. If this is true I wouldnt be surprised that she left one of the doors unlocked and someone wandered in and took Haleigh. She may have crashed before Jr & Haleigh went to sleep too.

[Squidward]

Well, after reading Arts article, I am more worried for JR and what is going on in that home, its apparent Ron married a drug addict, if only she would get some help, her mother needs to step in!

It is very sad. I hope JR is OK too. Misty's mom seems to have given up on her long ago.

I wonder where the children were during Misty's "fling" with Greg? Maybe that's why Grma dropped the clothes off maybe they were staying with her, also heard she went there to check on things, and if all this happened I can see why.

[Squidward]

"Early Feb. 10, Haleigh turned up missing and Misty didn’t answer her phone for several days, says Prevatt. Finally, she picked up. “She said, the FBI had had her phone. She said she couldn’t talk because the phones were tapped and hung up.”"

from the art Harris interview:
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#more-1526


I wonder what Misty was afraid of them hearing?

[playnice]

It is very sad. I hope JR is OK too. Misty's mom seems to have given up on her long ago.

I wonder where the children were during Misty's "fling" with Greg? Maybe that's why Grma dropped the clothes off maybe they were staying with her, also heard she went there to check on things, and if all this happened I can see why.

Actually there is so much dysfunction in every family involved in this case that none of them need to breed. The kids are raised in this dysfunction and just carry on the tradition. Its really sad.

[Squidward]

Actually there is so much dysfunction in every family involved in this case that none of them need to breed. The kids are raised in this dysfunction and just carry on the tradition. Its really sad.

ITA None of these people will be parent of the year. I hope that Misty is not really pregnant hopefully it was her sister's preg test.

[CelticDawn]

ITA None of these people will be parent of the year. I hope that Misty is not really pregnant hopefully it was her sister's preg test.

Oh Good Lord....Just when we thought that this situation could get no worse!!!...!!! :read:

[bama__angel]

ITA None of these people will be parent of the year. I hope that Misty is not really pregnant hopefully it was her sister's preg test.



I think these people need to learn to take care of the children they have, and please stop having innocent babies who have to depend on them......

[Squidward]

This is an extremely disturbing account of misty and her activities. I believe more then ever, that she had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance and I believe Junior should be take out of that home STAT. imo.

I agree. I hope very soon she'll be sitting in a jail cell.

[CelticDawn]

This is an extremely disturbing account of misty and her activities. I believe more then ever, that she had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance and I believe Junior should be take out of that home STAT. imo.

If a child of mine were missing I would WANT anybody that called me under a microscope...I might even flat out ask callers what they might know....


Misty is and has been hiding a whole lot.....the sooner she is outed, the sooner they will know what happened to Haleigh.

[CelticDawn]

I agree. I hope very soon she'll be sitting in a jail cell.

Maybe she and "TotMom" could be cellies.

[playnice]

This is an extremely disturbing account of misty and her activities. I believe more then ever, that she had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance and I believe Junior should be take out of that home STAT. imo.

I think its also possible that after a wild weekend of partying hard and drugs and sex she was so tired she hit the bed and went comatose. I really wonder if she knew where or if the kids were sleeping.
She may not have locked the doors, Haleigh could have been awake and opened the door for a predator, I shudder to think what could have happened. Maybe the details are foggy because she fried her brain on drugs over the weekend. The movies were probably the babysitter that night while Misti crashed.

[cat3]

Correct, I doubt Ron or his attorney built the site. I sent them an email...imo

Thank you for sending the email.I was thinking of doing the same,but thought perhaps the poster that was so upset about the site having the wrong information had probably already notified the site.That would be the logical thing to do when you notice the wrong info.on a missing child site.IMO

[Squidward]

I think its also possible that after a wild weekend of partying hard and drugs and sex she was so tired she hit the bed and went comatose. I really wonder if she knew where or if the kids were sleeping.
She may not have locked the doors, Haleigh could have been awake and opened the door for a predator, I shudder to think what could have happened. Maybe the details are foggy because she fried her brain on drugs over the weekend. The movies were probably the babysitter that night while Misti crashed.

That is possible. There are so many things that could have happened that night especially after hearing how she had spent her weekend. It's also possible that she wasn't done partying and left something lying around and Haleigh took it. Maybe something happened she didn't want Ron to find out about that Haleigh had seen that was worse than Nay Nay being over. Hope LE gets to the bottom of what happened that night, and if she was passed out and someone took Haleigh, I just wish she would come forward.

[emdragon]

Thank you for sending the email.I was thinking of doing the same,but thought perhaps the poster that was so upset about the site having the wrong information had probably already notified the site.That would be the logical thing to do when you notice the wrong info.on a missing child site.IMO

What wrong information? (not sarcasm, I really missed whatever happened with a poster about the web site)

[FrazzledMom]

I think its also possible that after a wild weekend of partying hard and drugs and sex she was so tired she hit the bed and went comatose. I really wonder if she knew where or if the kids were sleeping.
She may not have locked the doors, Haleigh could have been awake and opened the door for a predator, I shudder to think what could have happened. Maybe the details are foggy because she fried her brain on drugs over the weekend. The movies were probably the babysitter that night while Misti crashed.

I agree with you, this has been my line of thinking since early on. IMO it's very likely that she may have been partying it up, passed out without locking doors & then awoke later to find Haleigh gone. Who knows who she may have had in the home that night.
It's obvious from her inconsistent stories that she's trying to hide something. Maybe even the fact that she could have been whacked out of her mind and does not remember what all went down that evening. For sure there is more to the story than what she's giving. IMO, Misty coming clean with the full story just may be the break that leads LE to little Haleigh.

[?noanswer]

I agree with you, this has been my line of thinking since early on. IMO it's very likely that she may have been partying it up, passed out without locking doors & then awoke later to find Haleigh gone. Who knows who she may have had in the home that night.
It's obvious from her inconsistent stories that she's trying to hide something. Maybe even the fact that she could have been whacked out of her mind and does not remember what all went down that evening. For sure there is more to the story than what she's giving. IMO, Misty coming clean with the full story just may be the break that leads LE to little Haleigh.

If Misty admits that she left the door unlocked and/or she left the home that night, I don't understand how that will help find Haleigh.


JMO

[cat3]

What wrong information? (not sarcasm, I really missed whatever happened with a poster about the web site)

I'm just playing catch up myself today,but I gather that there was some information regarding Haleigh that was incorrect on the new website set up by Ron's attorney.I heard about it last night and assumed that the poster that was concerned about the wrong information would contact the site and let them know,and maybe they did??? Anyway.....I was just thanking the poster that did send an email to let them know that there was a concern about the Haleigh info. on their site.I had thought about sending an email as well,but didn't want to bombard them if others had already sent emails.IMO

[playnice]

That is possible. There are so many things that could have happened that night especially after hearing how she had spent her weekend. It's also possible that she wasn't done partying and left something lying around and Haleigh took it. Maybe something happened she didn't want Ron to find out about that Haleigh had seen that was worse than Nay Nay being over. Hope LE gets to the bottom of what happened that night, and if she was passed out and someone took Haleigh, I just wish she would come forward.

Its hard telling. Gives me goosebumps thinking of all the things that could have happened that night to Haleigh.
Im not a violent person but I think if I were a family member that girl would get smacked around until she told the truth.

[?noanswer]

o/t Re the little CA girl that is missing. Just said on HLN that a "hello kitty" t-shirt was found at a landfill. The little girl supposedly was wearing a "hello kitty" t-shirt when last seen. They are checking to see if it is hers. Mom says it's not hers. JMO

[Squidward]

If Misty admits that she left the door unlocked and/or she left the home that night, I don't understand how that will help find Haleigh.


JMO

If she passed out and left the door unlocked and admits that is what happened I think it may help LE. It may not help find Haleigh right away, but it would give LE other theories possibly even another time line. There was no sign of forced entry. I read a book about a guy named Haden Clark he killed a girl but because the father lied about the last time he had seen his daughter Clark had an alibi.

[CC I See]

I believe ronald cummings has the responsibility in this situation, these were his children and he allowed this under age druggie to care for them. No wonder Crystal is beside herself with worry over Junior's safety. imo.

I wonder where Ron and the kids were during the alleged party that weekend.

[?noanswer]

If she passed out and left the door unlocked and admits that is what happened I think it may help LE. It may not help find Haleigh right away, but it would give LE other theories possibly even another time line. There was no sign of forced entry. I read a book about a guy named Haden Clark he killed a girl but because the father lied about the last time he had seen his daughter Clark had an alibi.

LE has not said if they had kind of evidence from the home. Unless she can connect someone else that was at the home.. That's what makes me wonder about what Misty could tell them that would make a difference. I hope it would, because I wish they could find Haleigh. JMO

[Squidward]

I wonder where Ron and the kids were during the alleged party that weekend.

I doubt he was sitting at home patiently awaiting the return of his love. I think they (the kids) were either with TN or Grma Sykes.

[emdragon]

O/T
Raiding a mobile home in the park of the 8yr Cantu case- took a man out in cuffs and FBI evidence team is on scene.

[FrazzledMom]

If Misty admits that she left the door unlocked and/or she left the home that night, I don't understand how that will help find Haleigh.


JMO

I didn't say that her admitting to leaving or not locking door would help find Haleigh. Her coming clean with the FULL STORY may be what helps find Haleigh. She obviously has not given LE the full story or there wouldn't be so many inconsistentcies. There is obviously, IMHO, peices of the story missing. Fearing Ronald may be mad or blame her for Haleigh's dissapperance she may not be telling the full truth about who may have been in the home that night, among other things. I just think that there is much more than what she's telling, and that if the whole story comes out there's a much better chance of a break in this case.

[IlliniFan]

Bam Bam...good to know I haven't lost my medical licence..lol



cat..Yeah, I emailed to let the powers that be, know that the website had incorrect info about Haleigh...I hope they fix that soon..Her height and eye color were stated incorrectly...


Haven't read artharris yet, but it sounds bad..what a mess...

[emdragon]

My bold.
I agree. In the very least, until this is sorted out, there should be a court order forbidding Misty from having any kind of contact with JR. And never should she be allowed to be alone with him. He could easily be the only witness to this crime. A crime Misty appears to not want solved. Not a good combo having the two together.

The courts should always rule in the best interest of the child. This is one example that "innocent until proven guilty", does not hold up when it comes to a child's safety. This happens everyday when children are removed from homes if abuse is suspected. They take the kids first, then they sort out later the adults guilt or innocence. LE certainly has done it in many cases even before an arrest.

They did it with Diane Downs before her arrest. Her living children were the only witnesses to her crimes. A protective order was put in place to keep her away from them.

Better safe than sorry!!

JMO

LE knew DD shot her kids and that there was a reason to keep them from her (along with the reaction her daughter had every time her mother visited-which is how they keep diane from the kids to begin with)

I don't think LE in this case believe Misty actually harmed Haleigh.

And even Jr mother hasn't filed for an emergency removal so that tells me LE would have no reason to keep him from Misty-

[FrazzledMom]

I believe ronald cummings has the responsibility in this situation, these were his children and he allowed this under age druggie to care for them. No wonder Crystal is beside herself with worry over Junior's safety. imo.

Agreed. Misty IMHO was not a suitable caregiver for these children at all!

[?noanswer]

I wonder if the story that AH has on his website regarding WBG is the same story that WBG told LE. I'm beginning to mistrust media reports. I have seen too much incorrect reporting in the last week or so. Wonder also if WBG will be a guest on JVM tonight. Seems the big story of the day today is the shooting in New York as well it should be. JMO

[playnice]

If Misty admits that she left the door unlocked and/or she left the home that night, I don't understand how that will help find Haleigh.


JMO

LE are running in circles with so many rumors floating around trying to find a grain of truth. If this were the case I think It would help them narrow down their focus.

[AlohaRainbow]

This is not always true. Casey Anthony went to the hospital for a seizure, and she never had her license revoked, and she is in Florida. I think its when a Grand Mal seizure occurs.
i posted a link in the links thread a few days ago re the florida dept of motor vehicle guidelines for driving after seizures.
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Family/epilepsy/Driving.html

The guidelines state that, applicants and licensed drivers should be seizure free for a period of two years before being approved for licensing. If a person is under regular medical supervision, it is possible to apply for a review by the Medical Review Board after being seizure-free for six months. These guidelines apply for all types of seizures. The isolated seizure with a normal encephalogram may be reviewed at the end of three months.

re casey anthony, since she lives in florida, IF she had gone to the ER for a seizure, her license would have been restricted for a minimum of 3 months afterwards. i don't think we have seen any "official" documents that show casey had a seizure as diagnosed by medical personnel.

just as we haven't seen in this case any official diagnosis of "seizure" for crystal. we've heard what the family has reported to others. she may have had true seizure/s, or she may have had episodes of syncope (with or without a seizure)... maybe she had low blood sugar level that brought on syncope or a seizure... in any case, IF she had a seizure 2 days before haleigh went missing, her license would have been restricted for a minimum of 3 months.

why would any physician risk losing his/her medical license by failing to report to dmv a patient with a drivers license who had a seizure?? or risk being slapped with a medical malpractice suit if such a patient were to continue to drive and became involved in an accident in which their seizure played a role??

[Politigal]

wish I could help you but I don't know. IIRC she had access to the van that was taken in and tested???

no, the van reporting was inaccurate. Lindsy (on Tyler St) owned the van, but Chelsea (nearer Crescent City) had borrowed the van. Cousin Joe stayed at Chelsea's house. When Chelsea learned that Haleigh was missing she brought the van back to Lindsy, who noticed it was scratched, and they surmised that Joe had taken it during the night.

But to my knowledge, I don't think Misty actually had access to a vehicle that night.

And if she's involved or responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, I would think that an accomplice would be involved. But, I also think Misty would be savvy enough to not use her cellphone to call an accomplice/friend.

I've been trying to research where all the payphones in Satsuma might be....I mean, it's possible Misty rode a bike to a payphone and called someone.

[Texas48]

I stated at the beginning of this case,"ignorance breeds ignorance",now maybe everyone who chastised me understands what I was saying.
God, please bring Haleigh home safe...........Not by me bam...You were here at beginning of Haleigh case?

Regardless...I never chastised you,,,

[IlliniFan]

no, the van reporting was inaccurate. Lindsy (on Tyler St) owned the van, but Chelsea (nearer Crescent City) had borrowed the van. Cousin Joe stayed at Chelsea's house. When Chelsea learned that Haleigh was missing she brought the van back to Lindsy, who noticed it was scratched, and they surmised that Joe had taken it during the night.

But to my knowledge, I don't think Misty actually had access to a vehicle that night.

And if she's involved or responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, I would think that an accomplice would be involved. But, I also think Misty would be savvy enough to not use her cellphone to call an accomplice/friend.

I've been trying to research where all the payphones in Satsuma might be....I mean, it's possible Misty rode a bike to a payphone and called someone.

I'm being lazy here and not checking...So Misty didn't have access to a vehicle that night. I guess Ron had a car/truck but Misty didn't? I should remember this....tia

[cat3]

Didn't Misty call Tyler St. (her brother's) shortly after the 911 call? I just read that here this week on one of the links.

Early today I posted the audio of the 911 call. There was an incident at 122 Tyler St. shortly before Misty's 911 call. Something was going on there before 3am that required a squad car be dispatched .

moo
moo

I noticed the address on Tyler as well on the radio transmissions and mentioned at the time the calls were first released that I thought it was odd that an officer could be heard asking 'what is happening at ***Tyler' The address I heard wasn't 122 and I don't know if I'm allowed to post the address I heard them mention.It sounded to me like the Tyler street incident(whatever it was)was going on at the same time as they were responding to the Cummings residence.IMO

[legalmania]

Maybe she and "TotMom" could be cellies.

Hello CelticDawn hows the baby? Everybody please take a moment today to wish CelticDawn and her 4 year old son good health and many memorable days ahead. I had a feeling Misty may be with child because of the quick marriage. Imo I think Ron is a good father but his wife is immature and not quite ready for motherhood. Maybe this is what she needs to grown up or maybe she'll never grow up. Only time will tell.

[Deb7]

Hi Poch, I just asked my hubby again and he said here in Ohio it is if you have any seizure. I guess different laws for different states maybe.

I am also here in Ohio, and my son had a couple of seizures, but he was cleared by his Dr. to get his license.

Or is this what you all are even talking about? Having a license, or driving yourself home from the hospital?

Sorry, I know both things were being talked about. JMO

[IlliniFan]

I am also here in Ohio, and my son had a couple of seizures, but he was cleared by his Dr. to get his license.

Or is this what you all are even talking about? Having a license, or driving yourself home from the hospital?

Sorry, I know both things were being talked about. JMO

Hi, I think everyone left. I believe they were discussing whether a person that had a seizure could drive, or what their restrictions might be......? imo

[bookie]

I wonder if the story that AH has on his website regarding WBG is the same story that WBG told LE. I'm beginning to mistrust media reports. I have seen too much incorrect reporting in the last week or so. Wonder also if WBG will be a guest on JVM tonight. Seems the big story of the day today is the shooting in New York as well it should be. JMO



I caught one huge error in his report. Ron wasn't with Amber before Crystal. Amber's child ould have to be older than Haleigh for that to be correct.

[bonniez45]

watching the interview of Misty saying there were inconsistent statements shows her lack of education and how young she is to the world Looking at her as she makes that statement publicly with honesty she is actually stating what le tells her when they call her in to clarify statements or tips recieved which have mostly have been assumptions and they just want to go over them with her. Listening to her she is just repeating with ignorance what le is using for a term. I think someone who is innocent in the way of the public reallyshould get herself a lawyer because of her lack of understanding of what words can really imply to mean could really hurt an innocent person and this could also apply to Ron.
I know they believe that if you're innocent that you should not need that help but with so much being tossed around of what might be it really is hurting them with people taking advantage of their ignorance.

[5boxersmom]

I am also here in Ohio, and my son had a couple of seizures, but he was cleared by his Dr. to get his license.

Or is this what you all are even talking about? Having a license, or driving yourself home from the hospital?

Sorry, I know both things were being talked about. JMO

My cousin had one a few years ago. First one. Her son also suffers from them. They did not take her license but they said her son will probably never get to.

imo

[legalmania]

Hi, I think everyone left. I believe they were discussing whether a person that had a seizure could drive, or what their restrictions might be......? imo

I'm here but just got on I don't like going back I just try to figure out what everyone was talking about. I think with the medications today a lot of people drive but have to wear a medic bracelet and it has to be on their drivers license, but I could be wrong.

[forensicfan]

I wonder how long it will be before poor little Haleigh's name drops out of the news altogether and she becomes just another picture on a milk carton.

While I think there is a possibility Crystal's extended family may have been involved in this (with no intention of harming Haleigh), I think it is more likely she was removed by a SO and no one knows anything.

With all the accusations being thrown out by Crystal and Picazio, it's odd we've seen not one person come forward and substantiate any of it. The rumors have been flying about Misty and LE can't find a single witness who says they saw her out of the trailer that night...Picazio says she's got them. If they aren't members of the Sheffield family (and I think they all have been discredited) who are they? LE has certainly been looking. The drama over this has been just that...unsubstantiated drama.

After reading Johnny Sheffield's record, there is no doubt in my mind the rumors thrown out on message boards about "everyone" being so afraid of Ron Cummings they wouldn't talk, is bs.

I think no one is talking because they don't really have anything to say. No one knows what happened to Haleigh.

I give her case another month at most before she is completely out of the news. It is very sad.

ITA! :thumbsup:

[IlliniFan]

I caught one huge error in his report. Ron wasn't with Amber before Crystal. Amber's child ould have to be older than Haleigh for that to be correct.

You're right, that couldn't be..Also, Greg thinks the "black man in black" is being tossed out to use him as a scapegoat or to take away the focus from Ron and Misty. That information (black man in black) came from Crystal, Ron actually said he didn't it?

Didn't Greg say on artharris that he'd not been in the trailer?? KP says that he told her information about the inside, as though he had been inside??

from artharris.com

Only a fool would be at another man’s house, laying up with his girlfriend,” he tells me on in a phone call he agreed to let me tape. “

[?noanswer]

JVM just replayed the video where KP says WBG said he had an "intimate" relationship with Misty. AH write up says WBG did not claim an "intimate" relationship, just did drugs. Which one is correct? JMO

[5boxersmom]

http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/rights_driving

[?noanswer]

You're right, that couldn't be..Also, Greg thinks the "black man in black" is being tossed out to use him as a scapegoat or to take away the focus from Ron and Misty. That information (black man in black) came from Crystal, Ron actually said he didn't it?

Didn't Greg say on artharris that he'd not been in the trailer?? KP says that he told her information about the inside, as though he had been inside??

Some more people with "inconsistencies". JMO

[cat3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P53_T7DgVbA

If you watch this video at almost the very end around the 5:04 mark KP mentions that Greg will be doing an interview with Art Harris.
I don't trust KP and wonder if some money may have been paid to Greg for the artharris interview?

I'm not sure what to think about Misty.From the beginning I have always thought of her as suspect.I even went so far as to speculate on how she might have moved Haleigh,but for some reason in the last few days have backed away from viewing her as suspect.

Maybe because all we really know about Misty is coming from Sheffield and Picazio and now Greg.It doesn't sound good,and I'm not sure what to think after reading the AR interview today.It reads like a soap opera and I really have to go read it again to be clear on what is being said.
At the very least I do believe it is very possible that Misty wasn't home that night,or had a visitor and left with the visitor,only intending to be gone a short time.Perhaps she had done this before with no problems and thought it would be okay.I also think she may have some family members covering up her whereabouts that night.IMO

[Texas48]

I wonder where Ron and the kids were during the alleged party that weekend.Just my thought would be with TN and/or GGM.

[?noanswer]

I wonder how long it will be before poor little Haleigh's name drops out of the news altogether and she becomes just another picture on a milk carton.

While I think there is a possibility Crystal's extended family may have been involved in this (with no intention of harming Haleigh), I think it is more likely she was removed by a SO and no one knows anything.

With all the accusations being thrown out by Crystal and Picazio, it's odd we've seen not one person come forward and substantiate any of it. The rumors have been flying about Misty and LE can't find a single witness who says they saw her out of the trailer that night...Picazio says she's got them. If they aren't members of the Sheffield family (and I think they all have been discredited) who are they? LE has certainly been looking. The drama over this has been just that...unsubstantiated drama.

After reading Johnny Sheffield's record, there is no doubt in my mind the rumors thrown out on message boards about "everyone" being so afraid of Ron Cummings they wouldn't talk, is bs.

I think no one is talking because they don't really have anything to say. No one knows what happened to Haleigh.

I give her case another month at most before she is completely out of the news. It is very sad.

JVM only spent about 3 minutes on Haleigh, then went to CA. I'm surprised she didn't mention the AH stuff. She might come back later about Haleigh, I don't know. But even this board does not have many posters. There is always about twice as many on CA. JMO

[cat3]

What money would Greg receive and from what source?

I have no idea and that is why I put a question mark after my comment.I don't trust KP and thought it was strange that she knew ahead of time that Greg would be giving an interview to art harris.IMO

[bookie]

You're right, that couldn't be..Also, Greg thinks the "black man in black" is being tossed out to use him as a scapegoat or to take away the focus from Ron and Misty. That information (black man in black) came from Crystal, Ron actually said he didn't it?

Didn't Greg say on artharris that he'd not been in the trailer?? KP says that he told her information about the inside, as though he had been inside??

from artharris.com

Only a fool would be at another man’s house, laying up with his girlfriend,” he tells me on in a phone call he agreed to let me tape. “


Yes the black man in black came from Crystal, not Ron. That was her second version of what she claimed Junior said.

[CelticDawn]

Hello CelticDawn hows the baby? Everybody please take a moment today to wish CelticDawn and her 4 year old son good health and many memorable days ahead. I had a feeling Misty may be with child because of the quick marriage. Imo I think Ron is a good father but his wife is immature and not quite ready for motherhood. Maybe this is what she needs to grown up or maybe she'll never grow up. Only time will tell.
Thank you SO much!!!!

A LOT better .....being terribly spoiled even by US!

so true. I was a couple of years older than Misty with my first, and it made me grow up <in SOME ways> for sure.

I think that a part of Misty's growing up should entail her coming totally clean with Ron, LE and MOST IMPORTANTLY, herself! If she is going to start a family, she really does need to be totally honest even if some things may seem unpleasant at the time. It will benefit her in the long run.