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Squidward

04-03-2009, 08:03 PM

I may be wrong....but that language he uses in his quote doesn't suggest to me that he hadn't been inside the trailer....but that he wouldnt be intimate with another mans woman <in THAT way> inside his house.

I don't think that Ron is using him as a scapegooat either....I think crystal was the one that said black man in black.......another thing...How much would crystal know about the goings on there to decide to bring up the Black issue???

that's the way I took it too as far as being in the trailer. He also did not know Misty for very long, so I don't think he would have had a chance to go inside (the house), but he could have visited, he just would not have "made the couch bounce"

Now the scapegoat thing IF JR did say this stuff about a "black man", and IF a black man did indeed take his sissy, I would say that Greg is not that man, a 4 year old would probably not refer to someone with Greg's skin tone as "black".

nana6

04-03-2009, 08:03 PM

I doubt he was sitting at home patiently awaiting the return of his love. I think they (the kids) were either with TN or Grma Sykes.

I wi sh I knew WHY in the world if Ron knew Misty was gone the weekend before, out partying it up and maybe with anotherman, would he want to marry this girl who lost HIS child on her watch!!!!!!

bama__angel

04-03-2009, 08:04 PM

What I don't understand, if she is already pregnant, why would she need a condom. JMO

I would be worried about contracting a disease.....wouldnt you? Probably the reason for the condom.......I dont think these people are too concerned about birth control...IMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:06 PM

Never mind my previous question -- I just read the excerpt on Harris website (;

Interesting that Greg discusses that weekend as a drug filled weekend for Misty -- fits Misty's claim that she was exhausted from the weekend and that is why she fell asleep as jr was getting up from bed

Squidward

04-03-2009, 08:06 PM

What I don't understand, if she is already pregnant, why would she need a condom. JMO

I don't think she is or well was at that time, I think Greg or someone in that article said anyway they thought her sister had took that pregnancy test, her sister is pregnant so it's possible.

I hope she's not

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 08:06 PM

Quick Question, I don't want to click on AH again. Was the weekend WBG referred to the first time he and Misty were together? JMO

Mimi428

04-03-2009, 08:08 PM

One of the reasons that Ron may have gotten custody is because Crystal missed taking Hayleigh to the doctor several times.

<snipped>

Page 48 of the hearing on Dec 27, 2005, the magistrate plainly says...

I'm going to go ahead and leave primary residential custody with the Father based on the fact that the Father presently is employed,...

Page 49

...I'm going to find that the Mother is unemployed

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

No equivocation, no may be, no could be, no possibly - it is written out plain as day in the magistrate's own words "based on the fact that the Father presently is employed..."

JMO

IlliniFan

04-03-2009, 08:08 PM

Quick Question, I don't want to click on AH again. Was the weekend WBG referred to the first time he and Misty were together? JMO

That's what I am reading, so when could Greg have been in the mh? I thought she was not there the whole weekend?? confused..

ok they may have been hanging out as early as Feb 3...

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:09 PM

I wi sh I knew WHY in the world if Ron knew Misty was gone the weekend before, out partying it up and maybe with anotherman, would he want to marry this girl who lost HIS child on her watch!!!!!!

Excellent question because since he was aware of her "indiscretions" and let's say she were to be pregnant, the odds are pretty high that it may not be his child.

Somehow I do not see Ron as being "another baby's daddy"

FrankieBones1

04-03-2009, 08:13 PM

Tara

Greg is talking about the weekend before Haleigh went missing>not the weekend of.

moo

I listened to the tape again and it really sounds like it was within the same four days.

He was with Misty Friday and Saturday. He tried calling her on Monday morning and she said she was at the hospital with her Dad. Then Haleigh went missing later that day (night)... or early Tuesday morning.

VII

04-03-2009, 08:14 PM

I do not believe a disgruntled drug dealer took Haleigh as collateral for dues owed. They'd have just taken Ronald or Misty out in the swamp and it would have been much longer before any alarms went of that either of them were missing....
jmo
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IlliniFan

04-03-2009, 08:14 PM

I find the article confusing, too. Or, my reading comprehension stinks, tonight!!

FrankieBones1

04-03-2009, 08:15 PM

Question+-

Why is he referred to as "White Boy Greg"?

TIA

One of his parents is white and the other is black. He is light complected (his words) and he was nicknamed 'White Boy Greg'.

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 08:15 PM

"Early Feb. 10, Haleigh turned up missing and Misty didn’t answer her phone for several days, says Prevatt. Finally, she picked up. “She said, the FBI had had her phone. She said she couldn’t talk because the phones were tapped and hung up.”"

from the art Harris interview:
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#more-1526

I wonder what Misty was afraid of them hearing?

Maybe drugs???

Squidward

04-03-2009, 08:16 PM

Squidward

04-03-2009, 08:17 PM

Maybe drugs???

maybe more???

bama__angel

04-03-2009, 08:17 PM

kitty1182

04-03-2009, 08:19 PM

Squidward

04-03-2009, 08:21 PM

I find the article confusing, too. Or, my reading comprehension stinks, tonight!!

It was confusing. There are so many more details and new people it's hard to keep up, plus I think just the way it is written is also confusing. It does give us more details tho.

cat3

04-03-2009, 08:22 PM

I find the article confusing, too. Or, my reading comprehension stinks, tonight!!

No kidding.I'm going to take a break and try to read it again later.I thought maybe it was just me,but I'm having a hard time figuring it out as well.IMO
Catch you all later.

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:23 PM

Tara

Greg is talking about the weekend before Haleigh went missing>not the weekend of.

moo

The weekend before -- Haleigh went missing on a Tuesday so that is technically the weekend before

Otherwise wouldn't he have referred to it has two weekends before?

:confused:

5boxersmom

04-03-2009, 08:24 PM

I find the article confusing, too. Or, my reading comprehension stinks, tonight!!

Yes it is. It also says Misty pulled up in the van and two sets of Parents saw her. She told the "kids" to hurry up and get in the van. Where was this? Whose kids? Ron picked Haleigh up from the bus stop.

imo

FrankieBones1

04-03-2009, 08:24 PM

I think it was the weekend just before Haleigh disappeared.

Arrrgghhhhh....Okay, thanks. I'll listen to it one more time. What am I missing here?

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:25 PM

Does anyone think Greg is giving up too much info? I am not saying he was involved in Haleigh's disappearance. I just have seen too many criminals rat themselves out to lesser crimes when they are suspected in murder cases. I call it the old "I was not there, I was across town smoking a joint" defense. Normally they would not admit guilt to LE for anything. Smoke and mirrors.

The only info i see him speaking too much of is the blatant drug usage

Crazy to openly admit all the drugs around, let alone using them and who else uses them

FrankieBones1

04-03-2009, 08:26 PM

Really Frankie. I took it as the weekend before, but I'll take your word for it. I read it fast. I do recall Misty's dad going to the hospital, was it the day of Haleigh's disappearance? That brings up a whole bunch of new questions if that's so. How did she get to the hospital, was she home soon enough to watch the children when Ron left for work, etc. etc.?

moo
I didn't read it. I only listened to the tape. But to be honest, the man was difficult to understand. He talked fast. You girls are probably right. (The weekend before)

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 08:27 PM

Arrrgghhhhh....Okay, thanks. I'll listen to it one more time. What am I missing here?

Is the written version word for word of the video? (Not singleing you out, just asking of anyone that knows the answer.) JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:28 PM

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 08:29 PM

When LE interviewed Greg, I doubt he gave the drug information he gave AH . Greg has drug charges against him, he can't be that stupid, could he?

moo

Are you referring to the info that AH had posted below the article? I think he probably took that off the official web site. What if that was not even WBG talking to AH? JMO

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 08:30 PM

What the heck! Misty was seen by Greg's Mom riding around with Amber Brooks, Ron's ex?

This case is becoming so convoluted it will never make sense.
As to Ron's best friend being black, check the early interview videos, its most likely that chap standing behind him.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#more-1526

moo

How ironic that Art reports exactly what the myspace says if that's true. Something stinks about that. I am not saying Amber and Misty didn't see each other that night, but the idea the same verbiage is used leaves me suspect of whether there is sensationalism here for Art now too or if he is taking in second hand hearsay now too. :sad:

Riverwalk!

04-03-2009, 08:30 PM

I listened to the tape again and it really sounds like it was within the same four days.

He was with Misty Friday and Saturday. He tried calling her on Monday morning and she said she was at the hospital with her Dad. Then Haleigh went missing later that day (night)... or early Tuesday morning.

Same thing I heard and thought. She met him Friday-Sat/Sunday (Feb 6-8) I'm going by the YouTube though (better to hear it than read with all the transcription errors we've caught). Her dad did have surgery at some point in time. Her dad was in a wheelchair during one of the early vigils and then during the wedding he was on crutches.

What's with Art saying the washing machine was running per Police Report? That's not on the police report?????

Sorry. Gone all day and trying to catch up.
MOO

Squidward

04-03-2009, 08:32 PM

Is the written version word for word of the video? (Not singleing you out, just asking of anyone that knows the answer.) JMO

No.... it is not word for word, the written version includes information that came from other sources like Nay Nay.

Then again I found Greg hard to understand, and my kids were being loud, so I didn't hear all of it. The written version does include everything (I heard) Greg say in the recording tho.

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 08:32 PM

I had never heard this before until I just came across it on another missing childs thread but it was wrote for Haleigh
sorry if been posted already

http://tracypress.com/content/view/17699/2328/

When a Florida singer-songwriter heard about Sandra Cantu, the missing 8-year-old from Tracy, he wanted to share a song he wrote for another girl, who has been missing since Feb. 10 in Florida "A Little Girl Is Missing" was inspired, he said, by 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, but he said it is also a song he sings for Sandra.

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 08:33 PM

Confused!! What official web site?

The Orange County site where all the arrests are listed. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:33 PM

I didn't read it. I only listened to the tape. But to be honest, the man was difficult to understand. He talked fast. You girls are probably right. (The weekend before)

The interview is all about what occurred from "that weekend" but he was not with her on Monday night

So From Friday, Feb 6th through Sunday Feb 8th, not with her on Monday night, Feb 9th ... Haleigh is missing at 3:00 AM Feb 10th

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 08:35 PM

No.... it is not word for word, the written version includes information that came from other sources like Nay Nay.

Then again I found Greg hard to understand, and my kids were being loud, so I didn't hear all of it. The written version does include everything (I heard) Greg say in the recording tho.

I listened to the Youtube video, and read the AH site. Is the Youtube video the same as the AH. TIA JMO

Riverwalk!

04-03-2009, 08:36 PM

That's a Cobra claim.

Thank you. So he's got some "super secret police report". K. lol.

Mimi428

04-03-2009, 08:36 PM

You're right, that couldn't be..Also, Greg thinks the "black man in black" is being tossed out to use him as a scapegoat or to take away the focus from Ron and Misty. That information (black man in black) came from Crystal, Ron actually said he didn't it?

Didn't Greg say on artharris that he'd not been in the trailer?? KP says that he told her information about the inside, as though he had been inside??

from artharris.com

Only a fool would be at another man’s house, laying up with his girlfriend,” he tells me on in a phone call he agreed to let me tape. “

KP used the word "household". I believe she was referring to the daily goings-on, the relationships between Ron, Misty & the kids, etc. Not the layout of the house.

JMO

FrankieBones1

04-03-2009, 08:37 PM

The interview is all about what occurred from "that weekend" but he was not with her on Monday night

So From Friday, Feb 6th through Sunday Feb 8th, not with her on Monday night, Feb 9th ... Haleigh is missing at 3:00 AM Feb 10th

Yes, that is what I was trying to convey. Haleigh went missing after the weekend that Gregg says he spent with Misty (Friday and Saturday for sure).

Squidward

04-03-2009, 08:37 PM

I listened to the Youtube video, and read the AH site. Is the Youtube video the same as the AH. TIA JMO

yes it is :smile:

Mimi428

04-03-2009, 08:38 PM

That's a Cobra claim.

It was claimed long before Cobra got involved. I read it here fairly soon after the case hit the news.

JMO

IlliniFan

04-03-2009, 08:38 PM

KP used the word "household". I believe she was referring to the daily goings-on, the relationships between Ron, Misty & the kids, etc. Not the layout of the house.

JMO

That's possible Mimi...

Squidward

04-03-2009, 08:40 PM

Yes, that is what I was trying to convey. Haleigh went missing after the weekend that Gregg says he spent with Misty (Friday and Saturday for sure).

that is what I was trying to say also, I think the party happened on Feb 6-8

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:40 PM

# Art Harris Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:23 pm

Ronald doesn’t pay Amber support; she tells me she doesn’t want anything from him, just to be rid of him.
They have a little boy who is disabled, born with a soft spot on his head. She says he was certainly emotionally abusive and on occasion played Russian roulette on himself, freaking her out.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#more-1526

Woah

5boxersmom

04-03-2009, 08:42 PM

Other parents tell me Haleigh did not ride the bus that morning, raising questions about whether Misty spent the night elsewhere; it looked like Ronald had to scramble to get Haleigh to school on time, turning him into a speed demon, perhaps concerned another tardy would put him in hot water with Haleigh’s school and the Department of Family Services.

But Haleigh did ride the bus home. Ronald has said he picked her up and took her home before he went to work, but two sets of parents tell me they saw Misty pull up in the blue van, and yell at the children to hurry as they piled in.

“It all comes back to Misty,” Cobra tells me, “and her timeline

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#more-1526

So confusing. :confused:

imo

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 08:42 PM

5boxersmom

04-03-2009, 08:45 PM

Aren't all children born with a soft spot on their head? JMO

I was just going to say the same thing.

imo

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:46 PM

Aren't all children born with a soft spot on their head? JMO

Indeed they are -- maybe it is something a bit different?

I have read where there was something wrong with her baby

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 08:46 PM

You mean stupid enough to do that taped interview. Or stupid enough to tell LE lies about drug use, then turn around and admit to it on tape??

OMG is this for real he really told art about all this o holy moly:scared:
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#more-1526

5boxersmom

04-03-2009, 08:48 PM

One more thing. What purple car? Ron has a truck. If he has a purple car and the truck why would Misty have to have the van to pick up his kids? If he had two vehicles? :confused:

Only on Monday morning, Jerry Santos, a neighbor at the bus stop with his children tells me Ronald raced by in his purple car with tinted windows, came inches away from hitting a pickup truck–and mowing him and kids down in the loading area. Inside, Santos could make out Haleigh. “My daughter was still scared that afternoon about how close he came, she couldn’t stop talking about it,” says Santos.

imo

IlliniFan

04-03-2009, 08:48 PM

Aren't all children born with a soft spot on their head? JMO

yes..

http://www.drgreene.com/21_855.html

For most kids, the anterior fontanel closes not long after they get steady on their feet (at 9 to 18 months). It stays open just long enough to protect them as they stumble their way toward walking on their own. How quickly it all goes!

snipped

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:48 PM

Oh my, that's sad to hear about Jason. I hope she is getting special care for him. Dang, this saga has too many victims for my taste.

moo

I agree

But my "woah" was about Ron playing Russian Roulette on himself (and Lord knows on who else!)

Didn't he say something on one of the Cobra tapes about going home and putting a gun to her mouth until she talked?

Something like that?

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 08:49 PM

I never heard this part part before -- (Bolded)

“It all comes back to Misty,” Cobra tells me, “and her timeline. No one knows what she was doing after she visited her Dad at the hospital Monday. Or whether she was even home that night (Monday). So many conflicts in her stories. She said she put blankets in the washing machine at 8 p.m. so why did police note the washing machine was running hours later? She said she went to the bathroom and called Ronald when she couldn’t find Haleigh, but Ronald was standing outside, supposedly just home from work.”

That is huge if true LE noted that?!

I'm more intrigued by the idea that the purple car was allegedly driven by RC that day and Misty was rushing the kids to get in the blue van after school. :confused:

That in and of itself suggests a really crazy timeline screw up IMO. I hope LE was as vigilant with Mr. Santos and confirmed that part thru any resources they had.

I'm glad to hear about all these polys and how early they had access to Greg. It unfortunately makes me even more inclined to question the motive behind KP and her outbursts with info LE has and has been on top of IMO. :rolleyes:

I think LE just tells them all they passed the poly, but keeps calling Misty back. jmo

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 08:49 PM

Greg is describing it as a three day weekend fling. Oh brother, I am so confused.

Friday, Saturday and Sunday

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 08:52 PM

I agree

But my "woah" was about Ron playing Russian Roulette on himself (and Lord knows on who else!)

Didn't he say something on one of the Cobra tapes about going home and putting a gun to her mouth until she talked?

Something like that?

By then, I think RC was toying with Cobra too. Remember COBRA first suggested such insanity IMO when talking about if his own child went missing. JMO:thumbdown:

FrankieBones1

04-03-2009, 08:53 PM

Basically, Ron knew Misty was out sewing her oats, drugging it up, and Ron lets her watch the kids while he goes to work, I am sure there was still drugs in her system, and she was driving them around, without a license?

Who knows what happened in that house, god forbid Haleigh got into some of Mistys "roxies"

jmo

I heard Greg use that term. What are roxie pills?

Mimi428

04-03-2009, 08:53 PM

What I don't understand, if she is already pregnant, why would she need a condom. JMO

Perhaps Nay Nay's suspicions were correct - that Misty was not telling the truth when she said she was pregnant - & that the results she was showing around actually belonged to someone else.

JMO

crymeariver2006

04-03-2009, 08:54 PM

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 08:55 PM

I'm more intrigued by the idea that the purple car was allegedly driven by RC that day and Misty was rushing the kids to get in the blue van after school. :confused:

That in and of itself suggests a really crazy timeline screw up IMO. I hope LE was as vigilant with Mr. Santos and confirmed that part thru any resources they had.

I'm glad to hear about all these polys and how early they had access to Greg. It unfortunately makes me even more inclined to question the motive behind KP and her outbursts with info LE has and has been on top of IMO. :rolleyes:

I think LE just tells them all they passed the poly, but keeps calling Misty back. jmo

And Cobra said he found out in a week what it had taken LE a month to do. (How does he now what LE has?) I also wonder if Greg read the stuff about Amber & Misty getting in a fight on Amber's web page. With all the information, real or fabricated, that is out there, I don't envy LE trying to sort it all out. JMO

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 08:57 PM

I heard Greg use that term. What are roxie pills?

According to what WBG supposedly told AH, it's a breakthru for Oxycontin. JMO

Squidward

04-03-2009, 08:58 PM

I heard Greg use that term. What are roxie pills?

Roxicodone: is a pain pill

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 08:59 PM

I agree

But my "woah" was about Ron playing Russian Roulette on himself (and Lord knows on who else!)

Didn't he say something on one of the Cobra tapes about going home and putting a gun to her mouth until she talked?

Something like that?

ok this case is getting real crazy and yes he (Cobra) did say that so far LE has not reported it though.

Riverwalk!

04-03-2009, 08:59 PM

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 09:02 PM

And then there is the story a poster left here about Ron shooting at mirrors one night. Poster heard it from a family member she's been in touch with. I'm beginning to think Ron waved his gun around with bravado and reckless abandoment. Loose cannon, IMO.

moo

Yes that was talked about by someone on here as to why RC was saying the cousin stole his gun but really misty hid it that night because he was drunk and shooting it..once again I have not seen it reported by LE so not sure if it is true just a poster said it....I am not getting banned for rumors so just letting you know I also heard it just not from LE.

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:03 PM

That's a Cobra claim.

Yep, that's what I remember too. The vigil video of Cobra has a few little tidbits IMO.

5boxersmom

04-03-2009, 09:04 PM

Ron's car was maroon. Its the one in all the photos behind the yellow crime scene ribbon.

I don't think he had the truck yet.

moo

So Ron bought a truck after Haleigh went missing? Wouldn't that had been all over the news?

imo

Riverwalk!

04-03-2009, 09:04 PM

And Cobra said he found out in a week what it had taken LE a month to do. (How does he now what LE has?) I also wonder if Greg read the stuff about Amber & Misty getting in a fight on Amber's web page. With all the information, real or fabricated, that is out there, I don't envy LE trying to sort it all out. JMO

Listen to the video. It "sounds" like Greg says he talked to LE over a month ago????????

BBL or not. lol

5boxersmom

04-03-2009, 09:06 PM

Listen to the video. It "sounds" like Greg says he talked to LE over a month ago????????

BBL or not. lol

Just wanted to say hi and thanks for the links. :thumbup:

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:06 PM

I heard Greg use that term. What are roxie pills?

Roxicet .... contains Oxycodone and is a street level abused drug

I first learned of them during the Natalie Holloway case

I also learned that many of us take them legally because they are the same as Percocets which I get after dental work

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 09:07 PM

This doesn't match up either with AH's site about Nay Nay's wreck. Report date was Tuesday, 1-27-09. Reinhold wrote the report.

UCN: 542009CT000467XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-02-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
PREVATT, CHRISTINA
Alias
PREVATT, KRISTINA

Date # Docket Description
2009-02-03 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #6669FDG2 PDP/ REINHOLD 1-27-09
2009-02-03 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-02-03 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT WITH PROP DAMAGE
2009-02-06 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (04-07-2009)

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

21.) Scott Reinhold Putnam Palatka Police Department
http://www.floridadisaster.org/TrainingCalendar/moreinfo.asp?id=1309

Bolding mine.

Looks like they used the file date to come up with how long were hanging out. But the accident happened 1-27-09 (report date). Sounds like Misty and Nay Nay might have known each other before then. JMO

Squidward

04-03-2009, 09:07 PM

This doesn't match up either with AH's site about Nay Nay's wreck. Report date was Tuesday, 1-27-09. Reinhold wrote the report.

UCN: 542009CT000467XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-02-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
PREVATT, CHRISTINA
Alias
PREVATT, KRISTINA

Date # Docket Description
2009-02-03 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #6669FDG2 PDP/ REINHOLD 1-27-09
2009-02-03 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-02-03 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT WITH PROP DAMAGE
2009-02-06 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (04-07-2009)

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

21.) Scott Reinhold Putnam Palatka Police Department
http://www.floridadisaster.org/TrainingCalendar/moreinfo.asp?id=1309

I saw someone write this on his blog in the comments. I don't think that Misty met him and partied with him on the same day, even Misty has her limits I guess.
I did not read anywhere in that article that says they "hooked up" on the same day of the crash. This only happened a few days prior to the "fling", very possibe that it is indeed how they met.

Riverwalk!

04-03-2009, 09:07 PM

Just wanted to say hi and thanks for the links. :thumbup:

Hi back. Been out and about visiting truck stops today with flyers for the missing. Sort of odd but interesting day to say the least.

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 09:08 PM

I am guess nothing new such as from the LE this case is getting so far off Haleigh has anyone been brought back in for questioning has misty went back since she walked out anyone know?

I just pray this little girl is found and we find the truth out so we do not have to go on rumors.2 months is 2 long:sad:IMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:09 PM

And then there is the story a poster left here about Ron shooting at mirrors one night. Poster heard it from a family member she's been in touch with. I'm beginning to think Ron waved his gun around with bravado and reckless abandoment. Loose cannon, IMO.

moo

Maybe he was waving it around russian roulette style and the bullet hit Haleigh

Except for GGM, that could be a scenario ... heck, everything else is tossed into this mix

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 09:10 PM

Listen to the video. It "sounds" like Greg says he talked to LE over a month ago????????

BBL or not. lol

I know, but ole Cobra (and KP) acts like he was the first one to "dig" up the information. Has anyone confirmed if Cobra is still in town or did he fly the coop? JMO

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:10 PM

Listen to the video. It "sounds" like Greg says he talked to LE over a month ago????????

BBL or not. lol

And took a poly, being told he passed too. :smile: jmo

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 09:11 PM

Hi back. Been out and about visiting truck stops today with flyers for the missing. Sort of odd but interesting day to say the least.

Hi River
did you make it back? happy to hear you are out there helping wish I was closer to some of these missing kids I would be doing the same...so kudos to you.we need more like you:thumbup:

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:11 PM

Bolding mine.

Looks like they used the file date to come up with how long were hanging out. But the accident happened 1-27-09 (report date). Sounds like Misty and Nay Nay might have known each other before then. JMO
Does this help?

# Art Harris Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm

getting a straight time line from the brain fogged has been tough, so your tickets help…thank you…the main point here, is that the girls were together a week or two before Haleigh vanished when the collision happened and they met mama bear. misty saw greg’s pic and when she and ronald had a dust up, nay nay knew where Misty might find a guy who wasn’t a total stranger to party the troubles away.

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 09:12 PM

And took a poly, being told he passed too. :smile: jmo

we seem to hear that alot dont we CANDY.:biggrin:

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:13 PM

OY VEY................ I tell you what i have no faith in Misty. She holds the keys to this case and I just can't understand why Ronald married her.

FA, just think about it. In the long run, IF HE HAS LOST HALEIGH and hopefully he has not, his relationship with Misty could send him up the river for quite some time IF she was pregnant no matter who the father was/is, but it would start with a DCF investigation on a minor not living at home and Misty's family would go down too IMO. :w00t: AYE AYE AYE...

Squidward

04-03-2009, 09:13 PM

And took a poly, being told he passed too. :smile: jmo

So did Misty & Ron & Crystal & Nay Nay :rolleyes:

I'm just wondering with Misty which one she passed was it the first one? the second one? or the third one?

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:14 PM

And took a poly, being told he passed too. :smile: jmo

Maybe they are telling them they did just fine and they are taking it to mean they passed?

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 09:14 PM

Does this help?

# Art Harris Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm

getting a straight time line from the brain fogged has been tough, so your tickets help…thank you…the main point here, is that the girls were together a week or two before Haleigh vanished when the collision happened and they met mama bear. misty saw greg’s pic and when she and ronald had a dust up, nay nay knew where Misty might find a guy who wasn’t a total stranger to party the troubles away.

I'm trying to figure out how Misty knew Nay Nay to be riding around with her on the date of the accident. Did they just meet that day? JMO

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:16 PM

we seem to hear that alot dont we CANDY.:biggrin:

Yup, in the end, I wonder how many will really show up as passed with flying colors?

My estimation, not many, but it will be for various reasons. JMO:sneaky:

Squidward

04-03-2009, 09:18 PM

I'm trying to figure out how Misty knew Nay Nay to be riding around with her on the date of the accident. Did they just meet that day? JMO

Well from the article it sounds like Misty knew Nay Nay before any of this happened. She called Nay Nay after the fight with Ron when she (Misty) told Ron she was pregnant.

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:19 PM

I'm trying to figure out how Misty knew Nay Nay to be riding around with her on the date of the accident. Did they just meet that day? JMO

I am getting that they had been friends for awhile

NayNay introduced Misty to Greg

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:20 PM

so far everyone's saying they passed.........i wonder how many really did.

My money says not many and I believe they can isolate the problem areas. As to whether we will ever know, I can't guess since they won't be used in a court of law.

But, I can guess the drug activity will be a deterrent to some of the truth evading IMO. :sneaky:

kitty1182

04-03-2009, 09:20 PM

Maybe they are telling them they did just fine and they are taking it to mean they passed?

I think that is what they are being told...:smile:

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:23 PM

This whole case is one big fudged up mess IMO.

Can DCF make Misty take a drug test? I heard in some case a few months ago here in San Antonio the parents and step parents had to take random drug test to be able to have visitation or custody.

I am sure they can and probably will after all this OMG .. the craziness!

Not to mention Misty claimed to be pregnant yet chose to drink and drug it up all weekend

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 09:27 PM

RE Lie Detector test.

I'm wondering if the operator of the machine does the same thing they do when you get x-rays. They always make you wait a few minutes until they verify that the x-rays are ok. Then they come back and told you they were fine. Maybe that is why they think they passed. JMO

Mimi428

04-03-2009, 09:27 PM

He is the only one I've ever seen say police noted the washer going.

See the Feb 13th thread.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349065&highlight=wash%2A

Post #629 by Rachel Rose...

"It did catch my eye, though, that when cops arrived to the home, Haleigh's usual blanket was in the wash cycle. Hmm."

Post #636 by ortiga...
"When the cops arrived at nearly 4 am, the washing machine was working in wash cycle? Or it had stopped in that cycle? That would be remarkable to think about washing clothes at that hour."

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:28 PM

Has anyone figured out where Ron's purple car morphed into a shiny pickup truck?

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:29 PM

So did Misty & Ron & Crystal & Nay Nay :rolleyes:

I'm just wondering with Misty which one she passed was it the first one? the second one? or the third one?

I would like to know why Ron allegedly dislikes NayNay, and how she has fostered these alleged friendships/relationships with his women? I wonder if she knows/knew Crystal too.

Oh and that LE told NayNay Misty had called her a Lying S&*T allegedly too????

Then again, they could have been trying to drive a wedge during the interview stage and then taken Misty's phone....that would sound plausible.

WHAT JUST DOES NOT SOUND PLAUSIBLE is that this 17 year old....is truly able to keep things in check and doesn't have an attorney IMO. :confused:

I know a 33 year old woman who was determined to do it on her own because she was innocent and after either seven or nine hours (CRS syndrome here) she was on the floor of an interrogation room crying for her mommy. She was married to a firefighter for ten years, and had two children, very well put together woman. But after that amount of time under the old style light in a room no larger than 8x10, and several cops breathing down her neck accusing her of everything you can think of, she became like a child.

So again, how is Misty able to do this with professionals but no attorney?

She is either totally innocent in the abduction or she is TOTALLY EVIL IMO. But then again, it's JMO.

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:33 PM

I'm trying to figure out how Misty knew Nay Nay to be riding around with her on the date of the accident. Did they just meet that day? JMO

I have another question. Didn't Lyn (Page's mother) say Misty had been there before when she showed the girls photographs of her son? Didn't she allege Misty talking about wanting to meet him?

So if Misty was in the car February 3rd, what time would that have been and was Ron working? Who would have been watching the children then? I guess Teresa could have been with them or GGM Sykes, but it does make you wonder, eh?

I wish I had more confidence in Art's reporting on this one. JMO:unsure:

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:33 PM

teresa

04-03-2009, 09:33 PM

This doesn't match up either with AH's site about Nay Nay's wreck. Report date was Tuesday, 1-27-09. Reinhold wrote the report.

UCN: 542009CT000467XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-02-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
PREVATT, CHRISTINA
Alias
PREVATT, KRISTINA

Date # Docket Description
2009-02-03 1 TRAFFIC CITATION - #6669FDG2 PDP/ REINHOLD 1-27-09
2009-02-03 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-02-03 1 LEAVING THE SCENE OF AN ACCIDENT WITH PROP DAMAGE
2009-02-06 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (04-07-2009)

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

21.) Scott Reinhold Putnam Palatka Police Department
http://www.floridadisaster.org/TrainingCalendar/moreinfo.asp?id=1309

LOL, Riverwalk, I was waiting on you to catch that.

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:35 PM

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:36 PM

I would like to know why Ron allegedly dislikes NayNay, and how she has fostered these alleged friendships/relationships with his women? I wonder if she knows/knew Crystal too.

Oh and that LE told NayNay Misty had called her a Lying S&*T allegedly too????

Then again, they could have been trying to drive a wedge during the interview stage and then taken Misty's phone....that would sound plausible.

WHAT JUST DOES NOT SOUND PLAUSIBLE is that this 17 year old....is truly able to keep things in check and doesn't have an attorney IMO. :confused:

I know a 33 year old woman who was determined to do it on her own because she was innocent and after either seven or nine hours (CRS syndrome here) she was on the floor of an interrogation room crying for her mommy. She was married to a firefighter for ten years, and had two children, very well put together woman. But after that amount of time under the old style light in a room no larger than 8x10, and several cops breathing down her neck accusing her of everything you can think of, she became like a child.

So again, how is Misty able to do this with professionals but no attorney?

She is either totally innocent in the abduction or she is TOTALLY EVIL IMO. But then again, it's JMO.

The way i take it from Misty is that LE had been treating her with kid gloves ... until the new guy on the team interviewed her and she decided he was rude and she walked out

They cannot force her to back and talk so I am guessing they are watching

Squidward

04-03-2009, 09:38 PM

See the Feb 13th thread.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=349065&highlight=wash%2A

Post #629 by Rachel Rose...

"It did catch my eye, though, that when cops arrived to the home, Haleigh's usual blanket was in the wash cycle. Hmm."

Post #636 by ortiga...
"When the cops arrived at nearly 4 am, the washing machine was working in wash cycle? Or it had stopped in that cycle? That would be remarkable to think about washing clothes at that hour."

Thanks! That is interesting that those posts came from not long after Haleigh disappeared, and it's also being mentioned in this article. So was this just a rumor or was this reported somewhere?

But then again the three day bender was a rumor since the beginning and now we have more info on that. I do believe what Greg says about the days leading up to Haleigh's disappearance.

tinkerbell

04-03-2009, 09:39 PM

Holy Moly ... so Misty lied about the blanket?

Yet repeated it over and over?

LE talks about Misty's "inconsistencies" perhaps that's a polite way of suggesting that she is lying?

IlliniFan

04-03-2009, 09:42 PM

Before Cobra came on the scene I had never heard anything about the police saying the washing machine was going. I read the actual report the other night and didn't see anything about the washer going in it.

I read the posts that Mimi linked, but I did not find the link or article as to where the posters got their information??

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:42 PM

You mean this one?
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=10

The maroon car was released around the time the trailor was released.

I started taking note of this truck the week Ron got his tat.

moo

Was it donated to him?

Certainly he could not afford to go buy a new truck?

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:43 PM

Holy Moly ... so Misty lied about the blanket?

Yet repeated it over and over?

I still see nothing from LE stating that. Did I miss it?

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:44 PM

LE talks about Misty's "inconsistencies" perhaps that's a polite way of suggesting that she is lying?

LOL of course it is (:

But she repeats the same story over and over with that blank expression on her face

Certainly LE called her to the mat about the blanket being in the washer so how did she cover her up?

That alone is enough to warrant an arrest on suspicion?

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:46 PM

Before Cobra came on the scene I had never heard anything about the police saying the washing machine was going. I read the actual report the other night and didn't see anything about the washer going in it.

I am wondering if there was a misinterpretation somewhere bookie as I saw nothing official either. JMO

IlliniFan

04-03-2009, 09:48 PM

First time I checked in today. Sounds like I missed a lot.

Who's nay nay?

You don't know nay nay..lol j/k go to art harris.....she's a friend of Misty's....

he has some information about nay nay, misty, amber, and greg..

Politigal

04-03-2009, 09:50 PM

I still see nothing from LE stating that. Did I miss it?

I haven't seen anything from law enforcement on that either....but we do have the report about them removing the wall by the hot water heater...and I assume possibly that the washing machine drain line was possibly in that wall as well.

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:51 PM

Me either. Cobra could have gotten it from Crystal who got it from someone who got it from someone else. :shrug:

Maybe at Meemaws Kitchen Table....:thumbup:

JMO not.

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 09:54 PM

Isn't it though? :drool:
IMO, AH is one rung higher than KP....right below a snake's belly..

This poor family....

Unfortunately, after the myspace wording almost matching verbatim, I am leery of anything I didn't see in the video of Greg actually speaking regarding Art's reporting today.

I can see where he states he can use help, and Lord, if some of the posts reflect the help he's getting we're in trouble IMO. :unsure: jmo

jewel6

04-03-2009, 09:55 PM

tinkerbell

04-03-2009, 09:56 PM

LOL of course it is (:

But she repeats the same story over and over with that blank expression on her face

Certainly LE called her to the mat about the blanket being in the washer so how did she cover her up?

That alone is enough to warrant an arrest on suspicion?

Yes, she seems to have developed a "pat" story; it reminds me of some other rote responses we've heard and read about...

I'm not familiar with criminal code or specific law; but I doubt LE has enough to make any arrests in this case, yet.

moo

emdragon

04-03-2009, 09:58 PM

I think with all this info coming out, KP needs to push the courts now to get Ron jr out of there. Ron can not be happy with all this info coming out, I feel this is going to end badly, I would like to see Crystal get her child away from Ron and misty, and I would also like to see Mistys mom get her out of there right now, this wont end well.....

jmo

You mean the child she was pregnant with and still doing drugs?

And "all this info" isn't info it is rumor and speculation- he said, she said.

Misty's mom has no grounds or authority to "get her out of there" she signed for marriage license in essence terminating her right to force Misty to do anything- not to mention that Misty had been living place to place for awhile and her mother didn't give a damn.

I guess if Misty really is pregnant and Ron knows the baby is his the marriage makes perfect sense now even if he believes Misty isn't saying all she knows--- being married to the mother of your child makes it a whole lot easier to retain custody if that mother ends up in jail. (simply put her family couldn't step up and claim guardianship)

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 09:59 PM

Was there a sheet on her mattress on the floor?

We only got to see the home after released and things were "cleaned up"

Squidward

04-03-2009, 10:02 PM

If someone failed a lie detector test wouldnt LE use that against them and tell them so. They would hopefully interogate them beyond beleif. I dont understand why they would let them beleive that they passed when they didnt. that would be red flags of deceit and hopefully grill them into confessing what ever was untruthful. Does that make sense? I guess i watch too much tv. :scared:

I believe that is what the LE/Federal official was doing when Misty said he was being "rude", and then she walked out. Seems if she loves the kids as much as she claimed she'd put up with whatever "rude" comments he had for her especially after ....what was it ...her third LDT!!

I know she wasn't under arrest and had the right to walk out, which makes me hope that LE can get her on something/ANYTHING so she can't leave when someone hurts her wittle feelins.

emdragon

04-03-2009, 10:03 PM

But in the police report, obtained by FOX News, Cummings reportedly told officers that his "dumb b**** girlfriend" told him Haleigh was gone when he got home from work.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

Fox News has the report and not one mention of the washing machine going when police got there.

No mention of the washing machine running in the official report that was released weeks ago.

This is just 1 example of what has gone so wrong with this case- Misty says in an interview that she put Haleigh to bed but needed to wash her blanket and she then put it over her when it was dry- and that has turned into she was washing cloths at 3 am.

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 10:04 PM

Yes, she seems to have developed a "pat" story; it reminds me of some other rote responses we've heard and read about...

I'm not familiar with criminal code or specific law; but I doubt LE has enough to make any arrests in this case, yet.

moo

They can arrest on suspicion or whatever but the charges would not stick without evidence etc ...

That is why LE does not declare a suspect a suspect until they are really grounded

But if Misty is lying to LE ... or telling inconsistent stories, they should be moving in on her

Unless they feel they have a bigger fish to fry and she is merely the bait

emdragon

04-03-2009, 10:06 PM

Its possible to be an addict, and get clean.

It is also possible to party and not be an addict.

But my point was finding Misty to be the villain for drinking and doing drugs while giving Crystal a pass is hypocritical.

It is wrong for either of them to partake while pregnant and you can't now say Crystal is the better person because in fact she is no better than Misty if Misty was partying and knew she was pregnant.

CelticDawn

04-03-2009, 10:08 PM

I heard Greg use that term. What are roxie pills?

roxycontin is oxycodone manufactured by roxane pharmaceuticals...Roxane also manufactures roxinol (Morphine) which as far as I know is a liquid.

teresa

04-03-2009, 10:10 PM

I believe that was explained a few posts back. The accident didn't happen on the same day Misty met Greg.

moo

I know. According to the original print article, it was the Wed or Thurs after that Tues they got together? All I can't figure we know right now is that Haleigh is missing and none of these people can get their facts straight. I'm not very hopeful that we'll ever know meadow.

Haleigh deserves so much better than this.

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 10:10 PM

No mention of the washing machine running in the official report that was released weeks ago.

This is just 1 example of what has gone so wrong with this case- Misty says in an interview that she put Haleigh to bed but needed to wash her blanket and she then put it over her when it was dry- and that has turned into she was washing cloths at 3 am.

Interesting how links from this board on Feb 13th show what was said today though

Was something missed?

Also if you Google ... very early reports (Feb 10-12th) have people saying the same thing

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 10:12 PM

It is also possible to party and not be an addict.

But my point was finding Misty to be the villain for drinking and doing drugs while giving Crystal a pass is hypocritical.

It is wrong for either of them to partake while pregnant and you can't now say Crystal is the better person because in fact she is no better than Misty if Misty was partying and knew she was pregnant.

Well, to be fair -- Crystal claims to have stopped using when she learned she was pregnant

Allegedly Misty took her urine stick showing she was pregnant and started partying

(shrug)

CelticDawn

04-03-2009, 10:13 PM

If someone failed a lie detector test wouldnt LE use that against them and tell them so. They would hopefully interogate them beyond beleif. I dont understand why they would let them beleive that they passed when they didnt. that would be red flags of deceit and hopefully grill them into confessing what ever was untruthful. Does that make sense? I guess i watch too much tv. :scared:

when someone fails a LDT or it is inconclusive....sometimes in order to make their case, they won't grill them....They will 'give them enough rope to hang themselves" Lull them into a false sense of security....then move in for the kill.

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 10:14 PM

so far everyone's saying they passed.........i wonder how many really did.

So far LE will not say anyone has I ask my brother in law about this since he has been a lawyer, pros and now a judge he said a lot of people will ask the person who did the test and they can not tell that person they passed it is up to LE to release that information to them they may just say your done you did a great job not meaning you past...so as far as I know they have not told 1 person they have been cleared and they are not used in a court of law so they have to have more than some description so they have to look for more evidence to prove someone actually did anything...jmo

CelticDawn

04-03-2009, 10:16 PM

Well, to be fair -- Crystal claims to have stopped using when she learned she was pregnant

Allegedly Misty took her urine stick showing she was pregnant and started partying

(shrug)
Is she REALLY pregnant?

another thing that would bother me:...If she is pregnant....lots of damage and developmental problems happen in the first trimester....and I would think drug effects during that time would be just as hazardous....If you MIGHT get pregnant BE CLEAN BEFORE.....Just like a woman should have a decent level of Folic acid BEFORE getting pregnant....a zero level of narcotics <among other things.>

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 10:20 PM

So far LE will not say anyone has I ask my brother in law about this since he has been a lawyer, pros and now a judge he said a lot of people will ask the person who did the test and they can not tell that person they passed it is up to LE to release that information to them they may just say your done you did a great job not meaning you past...so as far as I know they have not told 1 person they have been cleared and they are not used in a court of law so they have to have more than some description so they have to look for more evidence to prove someone actually did anything...jmo

LE even stated it is not procedure to state pass or fail

So I am guessing they are told they did just fine

Short of Crystal who said she was told the test had to be sent off to Washington (which seems to be the proper response by the test giver)

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 10:21 PM

Well, to be fair -- Crystal claims to have stopped using when she learned she was pregnant

Allegedly Misty took her urine stick showing she was pregnant and started partying

(shrug)

wow wait a minute is misty preg? and per crystals statement she said she stopped and has got help for her drug abuse and been clean lets hope that is true if so she has stated down a better road if you ask me.

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 10:23 PM

Is she REALLY pregnant?

another thing that would bother me:...If she is pregnant....lots of damage and developmental problems happen in the first trimester....and I would think drug effects during that time would be just as hazardous....If you MIGHT get pregnant BE CLEAN BEFORE.....Just like a woman should have a decent level of Folic acid BEFORE getting pregnant....a zero level of narcotics <among other things.>

Well, Greg felt she was showing her sister's test strip

(How sick is that if true)

Either way -- what kind of people would give drugs to a young girl who announced she was pregnant and showed them the test strip????

This is one f'ed up group of people

I am sure not MOO

emdragon

04-03-2009, 10:23 PM

If you are 17, doing coke, roxies and god knows what, you have a problem, anyone can go to myspace, find 2 of mistys myspaces, and she only has two pics on the one where she claims she is 19, but she has meat on her bones, and looks healthy, since day one Haleigh has went missing, misty has looked like an addict.

Google faces of meth, its scary.

jmo

I don't need to google meth I've seen it first hand.

I've also seen teens party much harder and on much more than your claiming Misty used and they were not addicts but grew into productive adults. Like frat boys don't all end up alcoholics but they can drink one under the table.

As for the pictures of misty- she said she hadn't lived at home for awhile and it sounded like she slept wherever she could- that doesn't leave much for eating healthy.

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 10:24 PM

LE even stated it is not procedure to state pass or fail

So I am guessing they are told they did just fine

Short of Crystal who said she was told the test had to be sent off to Washington (which seems to be the proper response by the test giver)

yeah I think so but I thought crystal said she ask and they told her the same but said it would still have to be sent off she never said they told her she had passed with flying colors just said yeah it all looked OK or something like that...

Squidward

04-03-2009, 10:24 PM

Its ironic that many rumors we heard oh so long ago, are suddenly beginning to become true.

OT somewhat...but it looks like the new sheriff in town has his hands full tonight. Take note of the black masked intruders.

Just a little burp in this sorry mess of a case.

http://www.pcso.us/2009-4-3-b

It is a bit weird that "rumors" from then are being proven to be true now. I wonder how many "rumors" that have been told, have actually happened. I saw that story about the masked men, Sheriff Hardy sure has a lot to deal with.

Prayers for Haleigh!

legalmania

04-03-2009, 10:27 PM

oxycontin is oxycodone manufactured by roxane pharmaceuticals...Roxane also manufactures roxanol (Morphine) which as far as I know is a liquid.

I was born with a serious lung condition and I get pneumonia and pleurisy
which is painful. They give me morphine and oxycontin and they are both in pill form.

emdragon

04-03-2009, 10:28 PM

Well, to be fair -- Crystal claims to have stopped using when she learned she was pregnant

Allegedly Misty took her urine stick showing she was pregnant and started partying

(shrug)

Not when she was pregnant with Jr. If you read the court documents in the custody case she tells the judge she was using but is clean now-by her own account she was using before she had Jr.

Now she very well might have quit before this last baby.

Squidward

04-03-2009, 10:31 PM

I was born with a serious lung condition and I get pneumonia and pleurisy
which is painful. They give me morphine and oxycontin and they are both in pill form.

Roxicodone

http://www.rxlist.com/roxicodone-drug.htm

aproudmom

04-03-2009, 10:33 PM

LE even stated it is not procedure to state pass or fail

So I am guessing they are told they did just fine

Short of Crystal who said she was told the test had to be sent off to Washington (which seems to be the proper response by the test giver)

sorry did not mean crystal was lying or anyone else but I think they pretty much know right off if someone is not telling the whole truth but with LDT it is simple a yes or no question and you either pass or fail not meaning you lied about everything may just not be telling the whole truth..so LE may just not tell them in hopes that they talk thinking they are not being looked at I for one think they have the test and know just not saying it keeping it to themself at this time...jmo

Squidward

04-03-2009, 10:34 PM

Haleigh Bug Foundation will March Tomorrow with Volunteers.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Bug-Foundation-Walking-For-Awareness/TLJiLs7B70e8wOywVNAdlg.cspx

I wonder if Ron will put in an appearance. Certainly would help his image if he did.

moo

I'm glad that they are, and doubt Ron or his clan will participate. Crystal has her faults (many) but I do believe she is doing whatever she thinks is necessary to find her missing daughter. Ron I have not seen much on his part.

CelticDawn

04-03-2009, 10:36 PM

Well, Greg felt she was showing her sister's test strip

(How sick is that if true)

Either way -- what kind of people would give drugs to a young girl who announced she was pregnant and showed them the test strip????

This is one f'ed up group of people

I am sure not MOO

That is why I don't think that Haleigh OR Jr are in the best place....not with crystal and whats his name either....that is the kind of behaviour that makes me think that a good Present or Haleigh AND JR would be to have her come home and THEM go live among sane sober honest people....but that would be an ideal sitation...kinda like candide's best of all possible worlds<showing my naiivety>

tinkerbell

04-03-2009, 10:37 PM

sorry did not mean crystal was lying for anyone else but I think they pretty much know right off if someone is not telling the whole truth but with LDT it is simple a yes or no question and you either pass or fail not meaning you lied about everything may just not be telling the whole truth..so LE may just not tell them in hopes that they talk thinking they are not being looked at I for one think they have the test and know just not saying it keeping it to themself at this time...jmo

I don't know the details of LDT; but, it's my understanding that each question asked is interpreted as being truthful or not. With that in mind, it could be difficult for the administrator to accurately state pass or fail following the test.

That said, I don't believe anyone was actually told "you passed".

moo

legalmania

04-03-2009, 10:37 PM

when someone fails a LDT or it is inconclusive....sometimes in order to make their case, they won't grill them....They will 'give them enough rope to hang themselves" Lull them into a false sense of security....then move in for the kill.

I heard Misty say that she passed the lie detector as far as being home. What about the fact that somebody was there with her and the baby woke up and saw them and said I'm gonna tell daddy and whoever was there with her took her? I really hate doing this because it is just guessing, I would rather work with facts.

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 10:39 PM

Haleigh Bug Foundation will March Tomorrow with Volunteers.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Bug-Foundation-Walking-For-Awareness/TLJiLs7B70e8wOywVNAdlg.cspx

I wonder if Ron will put in an appearance. Certainly would help his image if he did.

moo

I don't think improving an image is as important to some as others. IE, I don't see Ron putting Junior on Geraldo to make himself look like a better parent. JMO tho.

I hope the Sheffield Camp is utilizing this for getting Haleigh's missing status out there as opposed to beefing up their image or seeking donations. JMO tho.:crying:

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 10:44 PM

Whether Art Harris' interview is accurate or not one thing is for sure from Ron & Misty's mouths. They've been scapegoating others. First Misty's cousin Joe in Tennessee and later Greg Page.

Everybody's fault but thiers don'tcha know. That plus their conflicting statements and Misty's stonewalling investigators makes them suspicious characters.

They got a BIG ASSIST on the GOAL from KP regarding Greg IMOO.

LE had long since gotten a poly and interviewed him, so again what was the point of Kim and her mission to get to the media this week?:thumbdown:

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 10:44 PM

I was born with a serious lung condition and I get pneumonia and pleurisy
which is painful. They give me morphine and oxycontin and they are both in pill form.

Roxies come in capsules which are crushed for the immediate buzz

(also slipped into drinks at bars by uncouth people hoping for some action)

legalmania

04-03-2009, 10:46 PM

Morphine comes in both liquid and pill form. I had a collapsed lung and after they drained out the fluid they piggy-backed morphine in my IV.

I ended up being allergic to it and threw up instantly.

I know that pain all to well Tiffany, the pain is unbelievable now I remember they had me on a self administered pump then they switched me to pills, those were the longest four hours in between. I remember being so itchy, but I felt so good at the same time. I can see why people get addicted.

Squidward

04-03-2009, 10:46 PM

This is the first I've heard of a sister. I just listened to the Greg tape and read the article at Art Harris' site. This comes from Greg's account of the weekend fling he had with Misty.

I think maybe they are talking about her sister-in-law, she is clearly pregnant. I know my SIL calls me her "sister" sometimes, I don't return the favor (mainly cause she is a meth head and I can't stand her). I can't tell you how many weirdos think I am actually her "sister", and I have heard "OMG you 2 look nothin alike" etc...

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 10:47 PM

Does Misty have a sister? I thought she had two brothers and two sister in laws. Do you happen to know her name/age? Was she throw out of the house when Misty and her brother was?

moo

I have read Misty has a sister who is pregnant (or was it sister-in-law)

CelticDawn

04-03-2009, 10:47 PM

I heard Misty say that she passed the lie detector as far as being home. What about the fact that somebody was there with her and the baby woke up and saw them and said I'm gonna tell daddy and whoever was there with her took her? I really hate doing this because it is just guessing, I would rather work with facts.
As far as "passed the LDT"....if she was told "she did fine"....that means they got some information that they needed or set on a path based on results....That doesnt necessarily mean she is telling the truth and that they believe she is...

that was the scenario I came up with too....but only after I heard the story that JR said a man in black was there and took Haleigh. there is so much going on with this entire family, I don't know what to believe, but I DO believe that Misty knows full well what happened,...and it had to be someone that is either IN the family or very well-known by a member or more of this family.

Squidward

04-03-2009, 10:50 PM

I don't think improving an image is as important to some as others. IE, I don't see Ron putting Junior on Geraldo to make himself look like a better parent. JMO tho.

I hope the Sheffield Camp is utilizing this for getting Haleigh's missing status out there as opposed to beefing up their image or seeking donations. JMO tho.:crying:

Well it's working, NG, JVM, GR would not devote time to CS/KP or Haleigh otherwise and every time they are on TV Haleigh's case is highlighted. All this drama is very unpleasant for all ...... but it keeps Haleigh's face out there, it may get that ONE tip that breaks the case.

CelticDawn

04-03-2009, 10:50 PM

Also....LE CAN lie to "suspects" or persons of interest....deceit is very often used on difficult subjects.....especially when their stories are habitually inconsistent.

?noanswer

04-03-2009, 10:51 PM

CANDYKISSES

04-03-2009, 10:51 PM

I agree they need to be too. I think that Jr is safe for one reason only:
He is male.

Usually abusers stick to abusing one gender. I think in this case, it's clearly women. I was waiting to see if anyone else had picked up his speech patterns in several of his taped interviews. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that this guy was on something.
There may not be any links and everyone can make excuses but for those of us who know what drug addiction looks and sounds like, those taped interviews he does not appear clean. I'd love to know if LE took his blood work for more than just DNA purposes. Maybe some hair samples. That scratch on his neck is something I am never going to forget. He felt the need to cover it up, that's certain.
This child is gone and I think she is dead. TN won't be able to step in this time because now we are talking murder. I do believe she was murdered.

Did you actually see a scratch on his neck?:confused: I've only seen a bandage that was placed on his neck.

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 10:55 PM

After reading all this mess today, I was thinking how everybody in town knows all about Misty and Ron. Everything except where Haleigh is. Guess everybody just likes all the salacious stuff. Seems like a lot of people were watching their every move. Where oh where is Haleigh? What happened to her? JMO

The place to start is the activities and demeanor of all these people

With a lifestyle like they lead ... anything could have happened!

It is really sick to learn what we do each day, piece together what could be true and what could be rumor but in the long run, I think it shows we will never see little Haleigh again except on a very sad note

legalmania

04-03-2009, 10:58 PM

As far as "passed the LDT"....if she was told "she did fine"....that means they got some information that they needed or set on a path based on results....That doesnt necessarily mean she is telling the truth and that they believe she is...

that was the scenario I came up with too....but only after I heard the story that JR said a man in black was there and took Haleigh. there is so much going on with this entire family, I don't know what to believe, but I DO believe that Misty knows full well what happened,...and it had to be someone that is either IN the family or very well-known by a member or more of this family.

LE is on to her, she is starting to relax now because no one has been pressuring her, I remember right before the CA case broke things got real quiet then all of a sudden evil came into the picture.

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 11:00 PM

Fine.

Shes just malnourished. Now, why wont she be straight about the night Haleigh was last seen in her care?

Maybe it was not pee on the blanket she noticed at 8:00 that night but was actually vomit

Somebody suggested she may have gotten into the pills and that could be true

After all, they would not call the drugs what they were -- they could have said it was "candy" -- and a five year old wanted candy

legalmania

04-03-2009, 11:02 PM

OMG it's painful! Childbirth is a walk in the park in comparison. I'm built really small and they had to shove a tube between my ribs to drain the fluid. They used a child-sized tube because my ribs are so close together, but they still had problems. The only anesthetic I had was a local on the skin surface so I wouldn't feel the incision. I sure felt them ramming that tube in tho!

and then the morphine made me instantly start heaving which compounded the whole nightmarish experience. :scared:

Sorry to go o/t, everyone.

Ya me to sorry for going o/t but labor pains were like a paper scratch. Back on topic.

teresa

04-03-2009, 11:04 PM

OMG it's painful! Childbirth is a walk in the park in comparison. I'm built really small and they had to shove a tube between my ribs to drain the fluid. They used a child-sized tube because my ribs are so close together, but they still had problems. The only anesthetic I had was a local on the skin surface so I wouldn't feel the incision. I sure felt them ramming that tube in tho!

and then the morphine made me instantly start heaving which compounded the whole nightmarish experience. :scared:

Sorry to go o/t, everyone.

Tiffany, I'm so sorry you have to got through that. I'm allergic to morphine too. Thank goodness I found out before I had a morphine pump for a hysterectomy.

Since I'm OT anyway, did anything come of that arrest (I think I read that) regarding the little 8 year old in California? Anyone know?

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 11:13 PM

If Greg and Misty spoke on Monday Feb 9th, it should be easily detected on the cell phone records. Let's hope that LE had the presence of mind to subpeona the cell phone records of Misty.

moo

Could also be why Misty did not answer her phone because LE was tapping her lines

If you have nothing to hide, that includes talking on tapped phone lines

(I wonder how many pay phones were made in those first few days)

tinkerbell

04-03-2009, 11:17 PM

Could also be why Misty did not answer her phone because LE was tapping her lines

If you have nothing to hide, that includes talking on tapped phone lines

(I wonder how many pay phones were made in those first few days)

I got the feeling that LE confiscated Misty's phone for several days and when she got her phone back she stated that it was being "tapped".

moo

teresa

04-03-2009, 11:18 PM

I was in a car accident and my rib pierced my lung. Missed my heart by inches. I'm lucky to be alive. This was 12 yrs ago but I'll never forget that pain. YIKES!

I was busy all day and didn't watch the news or read the boards 'til this evening. But I did see a board for the little 8 yr old on this forum when I looged in. I haven't checked it yet, so idk.

Apologies again for going o/t.

No problem. I'll check the forum for the little girl. I'm not sure my heart can handle another one of these cases. :sad:

I'm so happy you are ok from your accident!

Money Girl

04-03-2009, 11:19 PM

Why would the Cummings family have lied about picking up Haleigh from the bus stop on Monday?

CelticDawn

04-03-2009, 11:19 PM

I got the feeling that LE confiscated Misty's phone for several days and when she got her phone back she stated that it was being "tapped".

moo

:lol: <sorry that is funny. :lol:

AS IF they would actually NEED the phone to surveil her communications.....Doesnt she know any better?

TaraCrazyHair

04-03-2009, 11:21 PM

I got the feeling that LE confiscated Misty's phone for several days and when she got her phone back she stated that it was being "tapped".

moo

That could be as well

Seems the phone would not have been taken the first few days though -- maybe only after she could not answer straight questions

Either way -- I can finally go to bed

My five month pregnant daughter who was flying for the very first time left 12 hours ago for a three hour flight to NYC and just now got there safe and sound

Weather caused some serious havoc today!!!!!

But now I can rest assured she is safe at least and sleep in in the works

I freaked out over 12 hours -- cannot imagine weeks of not knowing!!

Nite!

tinkerbell

04-03-2009, 11:24 PM

:lol: <sorry that is funny. :lol:

AS IF they would actually NEED the phone to surveil her communications.....Doesnt she know any better?

Bolded mine; I find that funny as well :smile:

This is all so sad....

moo

tinkerbell

04-03-2009, 11:25 PM

That could be as well

Seems the phone would not have been taken the first few days though -- maybe only after she could not answer straight questions

Either way -- I can finally go to bed

My five month pregnant daughter who was flying for the very first time left 12 hours ago for a three hour flight to NYC and just now got there safe and sound

Weather caused some serious havoc today!!!!!

But now I can rest assured she is safe at least and sleep in in the works

I freaked out over 12 hours -- cannot imagine weeks of not knowing!!

Nite!

Sleep well, you certainly deserve it!!!!

teresa

04-03-2009, 11:37 PM

Thank you teresa.

I'm really saddened by what seems like an increase in child abductions/murders. I posted about that yesterday but someone gave me a link and they haven't really increased, we just hear about them faster, apparently. According to the link there are about 100 per year, nation wide..

One is too many, imo. I just don't get how anyone could hurt a child.

there's so much bad happening lately. Look at the mass murders just in the last month or so. I don't know if it's jobless people losing it or what. I just want Haleigh found, whatever her condition and whoever harmed her punished. I'm losing hope it will happen.

Poor little girl. I think if she came from a wealthy family she would get more press. Just think how few people watch HLN.

tinkerbell

04-03-2009, 11:46 PM

So Misty admits there was a reason for her phones to be tapped, subconsciously. Every thing I thought about this case is coming to be. It just took awhile to happen.

moo

I read the AH report and derived from it the information that I posted. I could have misinterpreted the information; or the information communicated during the interview may be incorrect.

I don't know that Misty admitted anything; i.e. a reason for her phones to be tapped...

moo

Squidward

04-03-2009, 11:48 PM

A moot question since nothing's been proven along those lines yet.

Ron said he picked Haleigh up at the bus stop.
Ron's Mother said she picked Haleigh up at the bus stop.

Source: CNN, Fox

Both of them speaking live on television. You tell me which is true.

There's a lot more people in the cummings family than just those two. Which members of the Cummings family are you referring to?

Other than the report of Ron picking her up, we saw a report today from Art Harris that neither Ron or his mother picked her up but Misty did in the blue van, this came from two sets of parents from the bus stop.

Somebody is lying, why? and who? are the questions.

Money Girl

04-04-2009, 12:02 AM

Because she was already missing at that time?

Well, no. According to Art's column, there were 3 eyewitnesses that saw Misty pick up Haleigh from the bus stop.

legalmania

04-04-2009, 12:06 AM

This is dedicated to Celtic Dawn and her son Eric who isn't feeling well. Please pray for them, and we must not forget Haleigh and all the other children who are still out there. The most precious gift we all have is our children.:rose::rose:

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Money Girl

04-04-2009, 12:09 AM

A moot question since nothing's been proven along those lines yet.

Ron said he picked Haleigh up at the bus stop.
Ron's Mother said she picked Haleigh up at the bus stop.

Source: CNN, Fox

Both of them speaking live on television. You tell me which is true.

There's a lot more people in the cummings family than just those two. Which members of the Cummings family are you referring to?

According to Art's column, there were 3 eyewitnesses that saw Misty pick up Haleigh from the bus stop.

http://www.artharris.com/

Squidward

04-04-2009, 12:23 AM

Yes I read that. I'm not surprised. I never believed there's a breakin and I never believed Ron was at work his whole shift just because he said so and I never believed a lot coming from Haleigh's caregivers. Too many conflicting stories. And LE verifies Misty's stories don't add up.

I can't say which of the stories may be true though. I believe we'll know the truth sooner or later though.

ITA and it makes me sick that they are getting away with withholding the truth for this long. I think that for the family to be so openly supportive of Misty especially after we learned what we did from Art and Greg is also very telling. I hope you are right and Haleigh is found and whoever is responsible is brought to justice sooner rather than later.

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 12:29 AM

In a case like this, when does withholding the truth, "inconsistencies", lying; equate to obstruction?

Moo

Money Girl

04-04-2009, 12:29 AM

So where was Ron when Misty picked them up?

Maybe he was getting ready for work.

The only reason I can think for them to be lying about who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop is that maybe Misty has no drivers license.

legalmania

04-04-2009, 12:32 AM

Yes I read that on Art Harris' web site today. I just don't know if it's true or not. The one's that got me was Ron and his Mother giving different accounts of different issues. On picking haleigh up from school and also on the fight with Misty's cousin (that Ron & Misty scapegoated initially). Those statements were by themselves on live tv.

Ron picked her up at the bus stop. Ron's Mother picked her up at the bus stop. At one point Teresa Neves said someone picked Haleigh up at school.

Ron's Mother said there was a bad bad fight bet/Ron & Misty's cousin over a gun the night before Haleigh disappeared.
Ron got mad and denied it altogether.
Next night Ron's Mother watered down her story to well it was just a plain old fight; nothing noteworthy.
Next night Ron's Mother minimized that to no fight at all and no problem whatsoever.

Yes, why is a very good question. If this were stranger abduction there wouldn't be so man holes in so many main player's stories over so many issues. Then with LE saying Misty is key and her varying stories are riddled with inconsistencies makes inside that household very suspicious to me.

No sign of anyone being inside that home or on that property that didn't belong there. No sign of breakin.

They're hiding the truth it looks like to me.

LE said Ron was at work. They never said he was there all night for his whole shift as he claimed. So who knows what happened, but I never bought the stranger abduction story very much. The scene with the screen door propped with a cinder block and the light on looked staged to me from the start. I'm not saying it is, just that's how it struck me.
ETA: Yes I've heard it said there are witnesses and I believe there are for many issues in this case. No one lives in a vacuum especially when you have children to raise.

Doesn't it make sense that the reason the stories didn't coincide is because they didn't discuss it before hand, maybe they are both telling the truth? Maybe nobody is lying , maybe it happened just the way Misty said. Many many children have been abducted from their homes while adults are inside and asleep.

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 12:35 AM

Yes I read that. You asked; "Why would the Cummings family have lied about picking up Haleigh from the bus stop on Monday?"

It would have to be proven they did lie, in order to answer your question. I mean who knows what is the truth in this whole case yet? I sure don't. I know there's a lot of conflicting stories coming from the mouths of Ron & his Mother on at least two issues that I can think of offhand. I don't even know if anything they're saying is the truth or not.

And Art Harris might be right but it's a blog. Anyone can say anything on that so i wouldn't take that to the bank. But Ron's own words on live tv and his Mother's own inconsistencies from her own mouth on live tv. Oh yeah, they're not coming clean. And I don't believe they've taken leave of their senses either. I think it's possible more than one person might be covering Ron Cummings buttocks in all this.

I never believed the breakin. that's all his story. HE claimed to know way too much the first minute he said he was home. I don't believe he was at work his whole shift until I hear it from LE. They said he was at work, period. They never said for his whole shift. So I'll wait on that.

He's got a history of violent temperment. Maybe he hit the little girl and killed her not meaning to and now he covered up and is lying about it. He wouldn't be the 1st. Misty might be lying to cover for him. His mother might be lying to cover for him. I'm just saying it's possible. It is very common according to some talking heads on tv in law enforcement, FBI, judges, lawyers, etal. It's not as if they don't see plenty of this sort of thing to know what's common or what's not.

Also US dept of Justice web site says statistics show 91.5% of maltreated children is by a biological parent. Only 3% by stranger.

That is huge. Especially given the child's nowhere to be found and LE's telling the public; "..keep in mind.. this is coming from them. We can't know for sure.." There have been problems with this family Ron, Misty, Haleigh (the now-missing child) and Jr her brother in the past more than once. SOURCE: Sheriff within the first few days of this case. And child abuse charges filed against Ron Cummings for both his children a full two years before one of them turned up missing and hidden thoroughly (52 days and no sign of her). Plus he sideroaded the issue on the 911 call, cussing out someone else, placing blame on others and away from himself, then hung up on the 911 operator 2X when she asked for basic information on his missing child. Red flags all.

All those things make me suspicious of Haleigh's caregivers. The main info we have is from Ron & Misty and from 17 LE agencies including the FBI we have they're not coughing up any truth.

Nothing but a red flag case in my opinion.

Do I know what happened to Haleigh. Heck no! Nothing would surprise me. If it's stranger abduction are Ron & Misty in cahoots with him? Because they're sure stonewalling investigators on this mystery-intruder's behalf. The mystery-intruder Ron claims took his child. first he says no signs of breakin to the back door. The next night on live tv he says there was signs of breakin to the backdoor. The man is not believable.

Simply stated, it doesn't look good for Haleigh.
:sad:

moo

CelticDawn

04-04-2009, 12:38 AM

This is so sad....None of this looks good for Haleigh!

....and WHO IN THAT GROUP DOES NOT HAVE DRUG HISTORY?

them ALONE could keep one of those Florida attorneys busy for quite some time!

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 12:39 AM

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 12:44 AM

This is so sad....None of this looks good for Haleigh!

....and WHO IN THAT GROUP DOES NOT HAVE DRUG HISTORY?

them ALONE could keep one of those Florida attorneys busy for quite some time!

I guess that I live in a very "sheltered world". It's difficult if not impossible for me to understand what it would like...

It seems like too many of those involved have a history with the FL courts...

moo

CelticDawn

04-04-2009, 12:47 AM

Ice Cycle

04-04-2009, 12:47 AM

Doesn't it make sense that the reason the stories didn't coincide is because they didn't discuss it before hand, maybe they are both telling the truth? Maybe nobody is lying , maybe it happened just the way Misty said. Many many children have been abducted from their homes while adults are inside and asleep.

Yes maybe their have been but usually that is a SO/stalker and due to the circumstances of this case it just doesn't appear that way. I believe it is possible that it was acquaintance or someone that knew their routine. I find it hard to believe that a SO would of went into that trailer and then realize she was all the way at the other end bedroom and then went in and got her. For one he (SO) would of been kind of trapping himself at the end there where as if someone came in either door he would of had no way out. If a SO or acquaintance did this it kind of makes me wonder if 2 were involved, maybe one watching out side or either he had a gun ready to shoot if someone came in. Because how would he know that Ron would not come home early?
Just thinking out loud.

Squidward

04-04-2009, 12:48 AM

LE has stated in recent days that they are disappointed with the dwindling number of tips they are receiving in this case.

I also see a dwindling number of posts here too. I remember seeing new threads started regularly; because posts were numbering over 1000...

Very sad...

moo

There is no new information being released, there is very little to talk about anymore, other than arguing over who's the best/worst parent, or rumors seen or heard. I hope LE has more than what I think they do, and I hope Haleigh's case does not become "cold".

Prayers for Haleigh!

Ice Cycle

04-04-2009, 12:50 AM

Does anyone know if their is a actual interview somewhere where the neighbor says they saw Haleigh out playing that day, and if so what time was it and who is this neighbor. Is their a article somewhere?

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 12:51 AM

No it doesn't make sense to me at all. If something's true there are no conflicting stories. Not after 30 hrs interviews with Misty. If Ron and/or his Mother didn't know something all they had to do was say so instead of fabricating lies and countering one another every step of the way. They made themselves appear suspicious by their conflicting stories. Why would they throw Haleigh under the bus just to protect Misty from no driver's licence? I don't believe that's why they lied about both picking her up.

Yes I know many children have been abducted from their homes by strangers. But DOJ's web site says all the child abductions of any kind by stranger only amounts to 3%, whereas harm from bio-parent is a whopping 91.5%.

Anyway yes it could be stranger abduction. I have no idea what happened to haleigh.

It could be that all their inconsistencies from so many of the players in this on so many different issues could just be a lapse, a slip of the tongue, just mistakes. But there are way too many inconsistencies for me to believe that at this time.

There's evidence Ron & Misty are lying. LE has said Misty's lying calling it "inconsistencies".

FBI has said there is not one shred of evidence to support Ron's story of stranger breakin. Not inside that house or anywhere on that property.

Yes, it could be stranger abduction even without evidence and maybe it'll turn out to be that. Until I see evidence to support what Ron claimed the first minute he was home I'll wait on LE officials to say it.

1st minute Ron was home he knew all the details. what the crime was, what the gender was of the perps, how many perps there were, that it was a breakin when LE said there was no breakin.

I think it's entirely possible he wasn't at work all night, that he hit that child in one of his historically witnessed fits of rage and killed her without meaning to, then covered it up and had misty help him cover for him. and family covering for criminals in their midst is historic and common say some on tv in the know. lawyers, judges, law enforcement officials and the US Dept of justice.

For now I'll roll with law enforcement. 17 LE agencies can't all be wrong and just wake up deciding to pick on poor ron collectively. Maybe LE never bought into Ron's version of things from the start. We don't know.

Maybe they're just collecting evidence. We don't know.

I've read and heard about too many child abductions. You stated some very good stats regarding stranger abduction vs familial or bio parent abductions.

I don't remember a single child abduction that occured while the child was sleeping in the same room with an "adult" i.e. Misty.

Anyone else?

Squidward

04-04-2009, 12:53 AM

Did anybody see where the "weekend binge" that they "hooked up" with Greg was on a TUESDAY according to the Police report of christina's accident where they MET GREGS MOM...and subsequently GREG???

is Kristina aka Christina lying???....DOES NOT COMPUTE.

I'm not sure I understand the question, but AH does answer the question about when the accident happened and when Misty met Greg on his blog.
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# Art Harris Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm

great research, helped me clarify when the girls were seen cruising and wound up at Greg’s house–days before Misty actually met Greg. thanks!

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 12:54 AM

There is no new information being released, there is very little to talk about anymore, other than arguing over who's the best/worst parent, or rumors seen or heard. I hope LE has more than what I think they do, and I hope Haleigh's case does not become "cold".

Prayers for Haleigh!

I couldn't agree more...

Too sad

moo

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 12:59 AM

CelticDawn

04-04-2009, 12:59 AM

I'm not sure I understand the question, but AH does answer the question about when the accident happened and when Misty met Greg on his blog.
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# Art Harris Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm

great research, helped me clarify when the girls were seen cruising and wound up at Greg’s house–days before Misty actually met Greg. thanks!

Looking closer, does this mean the accident happened on JANUARY 27th?

"If so, that is TWO WEEKS prior to Haleigh going missing! That is also a Tuesday. So, my question is, how did they hook up on a Tuesday for a “weekend binge”?

this is an excerpt from Justice for Hayleighs post over there....and the police report and WHEN they all met for their binge does not match.

It is said on the blog that the days would not match up with when they had their drugfling meetup.

<Im tired and totally disgusted with BOTH cases that I have folloewed>
....so I apologize for any rudeness.

CelticDawn

04-04-2009, 01:01 AM

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 01:03 AM

O K I was confused by the article.....Im tired....time for ME to stop.

Good night everyone.

I hope that they find out what happened and bring Haleigh home.

good night celticdawn, sleep well

Squidward

04-04-2009, 01:04 AM

O K I was confused by the article.....Im tired....time for ME to stop.

Good night everyone.

I hope that they find out what happened and bring Haleigh home.

NP the article was IMO poorly written it was confusing. Goodnight!

legalmania

04-04-2009, 01:09 AM

No it doesn't make sense to me at all. If something true there are no conflicting stories. Not after 30 hrs interviews with Misty. If Ron and/or his Mother didn't know something all they had to do was say so instead of fabricating lies and countering one another every step of the way. They made themselves appear suspicious by their conflicting stories. Why would they throw Haleigh under the bus just to protect Misty from no driver's licence? I don't believe that's why they lied about both picking her up.

Yes I know many children have been abducted from their homes by strangers. But DOJ's web site says all the child abductions of any kind by stranger only amounts to 3%, whereas harm from bio-parent is a whopping 91.5%.

Anyway yes it could be stranger abduction. I have no idea what happened to haleigh.

It could be that all their inconsistencies from so many of the players in this on so many different issues could just be a lapse, a slip of the tongue, just mistakes. But there are way too many inconsistencies for me to believe that at this time.

There's evidence Ron & Misty are lying. LE has said Misty's lying calling it "inconsistencies".

FBI has said there is not one shred of evidence to support Ron's story of stranger breakin. Not inside that house or anywhere on that property.

Yes, it could be stranger abduction even without evidence and maybe it'll turn out to be that. Until I see evidence to support what Ron claimed the first minute he was home I'll wait on LE officials to say it.

1st minute Ron was home he knew all the details. what the crime was, what the gender was of the perps, how many perhaps there were, that it was a break when LE said there was no breakin.

I think it's entirely possible he wasn't at work all night, that he hit that child in one of his historically witnessed fits of rage and killed her without meaning to, then covered it up and had misty help him cover for him. and family covering for criminals in their midst is historic and common say some on tv in the know. lawyers, judges, law enforcement officials and the US Dept of justice.

For now I'll roll with law enforcement. 17 LE agencies can't all be wrong and just wake up deciding to pick on poor ron collectively. Maybe LE never bought into Ron's version of things from the start. We don't know.

Maybe they're just collecting evidence. We don't know.

O.k. lets say we all witness a robbery at a bank, do you know how many different stories would come out of that crime? I think Ron was at his job all night or someone would have given him up by now. I'm sure not everyone at work is so close to him that they would stand by him no matter what, including killing a child. L.E. wants this solved because the quicker they have a suspect the public rests. Why hasn't there been any overwhelming evidence that leads them to something concrete? If there are 17 agencies and they haven't come up with something other then superstantial evidence then I wonder if they have anything at all. If there is so much evidence then where is the arrest?

legalmania

04-04-2009, 01:13 AM

No, I haven't either. I've never heard of a burglar propping the door with a cinderblock or turning on a light either.

Jon Bennet Ramsey, I went blank also, Mark daughter, taken from a trailer.

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 01:16 AM

No, I haven't either. I've never heard of a burglar propping the door with a cinderblock or turning on a light either.

I haven't either...

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 01:22 AM

Jon Bennet Ramsey, I went blank also, Mark daughter, taken from a trailer.

legalmania, with all due respect; I posted that I didn't remember a single child abduction case involving a child abducted from a room with a sleeping adult (i.e. Misty).

If memory serves me, JonBenét Ramsey was sleeping alone as was Jessica Lunsford.

moo

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 01:31 AM

I've had burglars and the only reason they'd bring a big cinderblock to a breakin is to whack the residents in the head with it I think. But there's so many weapons they seemed to prefer besides that, which all weigh less and easier to transport. Personally the crime scene seemed ridiculously staged to me. Any criminal pulling that antic would be a potential star of that show on trutv called stupid criminals.

The next morning the sheriff telling Fox News; "keep in mind, this is what they're telling us. we can't be sure yet. .." said a lot to me. I think they found it ridiculously staged too.

Has LE determined that there was a break in? I can imagine propping open the back door; but there were 2 back doors and only 1 propped open, that leaves the front door as the entry? And why didn't the interior, back door need to be propped open as well? Watching the walk thru interview, it clearly would close without any obstruction (i.e. laundry in the floor).

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 01:36 AM

As tinkerbell said, they weren't sleeping in the same room as their adult caregivers when they were kidnapped.

Neither were Polly Klaas, Elizabeth Smart or Danielle Van Dam...

moo

Squidward

04-04-2009, 01:41 AM

Has LE determined that there was a break in? I can imagine propping open the back door; but there were 2 back doors and only 1 propped open, that leaves the front door as the entry? And why didn't the interior need to be propped open as well?

I think given the time that has past Misty may come up with an explanation of that, and why it didn't make her first story.

I'm sorry guys I am just not buying this girl's account of what happened that night, apparently neither are LE, I just wonder why they have not brought her back in for more questioning.

legalmania

04-04-2009, 01:42 AM

legalmania, with all due respect; I posted that I didn't remember a single child abduction case involving a child abducted from a room with a sleeping adult (i.e. Misty).

If memory serves me, JonBenét Ramsey was sleeping alone as was Jessica Lunsford.

moo

It's late and a search would be required and I'm tired, I'm watching a story and there was a room full of girls having a sleep over
the parents were down the hall he murdered one girl and brutally mutilated another and the parents never woke up. In a trailer you might as well be in the same room there made of plywood and panel, paper thin. I spent the night in one and couldn't sleep because of all the noise.

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 01:46 AM

I think given the time that has past Misty may come up with an explanation of that, and why it didn't make her first story.

I'm sorry guys I am just not buying this girl's account of what happened that night, apparently neither are LE, I just wonder why they have not brought her back in for more questioning.

Bolding is mine; I wonder the very same thing.

I simply can not imagine why any innocent person would not stay camped out with LE until all questions were answered satisfactorily.

moo

Squidward

04-04-2009, 01:51 AM

It's late and a search would be required and I'm tired, I'm watching a story and there was a room full of girls having a sleep over
the parents were down the hall he murdered one girl and brutally mutilated another and the parents never woke up. In a trailer you might as well be in the same room there made of plywood and panel, paper thin. I spent the night in one and couldn't sleep because of all the noise.

I would agree but after Hurricane Katrina I had to live in a trailer MUCH smaller than their mobile home, for about a year, I have 2 kids and did not sleep for a over month because I heard EVERYTHING inside and outside!! After a while the noise becomes usual and I didn't hear as much, even tho by normal standards it's noisy, as a mom I would still know/hear if the kids woke but other than that I learned to tune the rest out. I hope I made sense just now :laugh:

I do not however believe that a random SO/perv/perp came into that MH that night, I think the answers lie much closer to home.

legalmania

04-04-2009, 01:52 AM

Bolding is mine; I wonder the very same thing.

I simply can not imagine why any innocent person would not stay camped out with LE until all questions were answered satisfactorily.

moo

Because being in the business I've seen how they work they won't leave you alone as long as your around. They say they just have one question and then it's turns into five hours. They will convince you, your guilty.

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 01:53 AM

It's late and a search would be required and I'm tired, I'm watching a story and there was a room full of girls having a sleep over
the parents were down the hall he murdered one girl and brutally mutilated another and the parents never woke up. In a trailer you might as well be in the same room there made of plywood and panel, paper thin. I spent the night in one and couldn't sleep because of all the noise.

It is late; enjoy your movie, I guess... sounds scary! Anyway, I feel very confident that the girls I mentioned were sleeping in rooms without an adult. Elizabeth Smart was sleeping and sharing a room with her sister; no adult that I recall.

I don't have any personal knowledge of what it's like sleeping in a trailer; I have slept in a tent, but that's very different...

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 01:55 AM

Because being in the business I've seen how they work they won't leave you alone as long as your around. They say they just have one question and then it's turns into five hours. They will convince you, your guilty.

That's a very sad scenario. Convincing an innocent person to believe they are guilty is difficult to comprehend.

moo

legalmania

04-04-2009, 01:58 AM

I would agree but after Hurricane Katrina I had to live in a trailer MUCH smaller than their mobile home, for about a year, I have 2 kids and did not sleep for a over month because I heard EVERYTHING inside and outside!! After a while the noise becomes usual and I didn't hear as much, even tho by normal standards it's noisy, as a mom I would still know/hear if the kids woke but other than that I learned to tune the rest out. I hope I made sense just now :laugh:

I do not however believe that a random SO/perv/perp came into that MH that night, I think the answers lie much closer to home.

I'm so sorry for your misfortune, I personally don't know how one could sleep through someone walking through a trailer and picking up a child and not hear a sound but it has happened before and will happen again. I just hope Haleigh will be one of those happy endings.

Squidward

04-04-2009, 02:11 AM

I'm so sorry for your misfortune, I personally don't know how one could sleep through someone walking through a trailer and picking up a child and not hear a sound but it has happened before and will happen again. I just hope Haleigh will be one of those happy endings.

Thanks, I don't understand how it could happen either. There was one night when a drunk guy "lost" his own trailer and mistook ours for his, my hubby was working late and we were sleeping I heard him the second he tried to open the door and flew outta bed and was standing behind the door with my son's bat (mind you it was plastic I don't know what my plan was) in one hand and my phone in the other dialing 911.

This tho is a trailer which is much smaller than a MH, so I would think sounds travel much better. This is just so sad and I pray Haleigh is found soon and that she is safe!

tinkerbell

04-04-2009, 02:15 AM

Thanks, I don't understand how it could happen either. There was one night when a drunk guy "lost" his own trailer and mistook ours for his, my hubby was working late and we were sleeping I heard him the second he tried to open the door and flew outta bed and was standing behind the door with my son's bat (mind you it was plastic I don't know what my plan was) in one hand and my phone in the other dialing 911.

This tho is a trailer which is much smaller than a MH, so I would think sounds travels much better. This is just so sad and I pray Haleigh is found soon and that she is safe!

I'm so sorry; I am glad that you were coherent, responsible, and quick thinking. Sadly, Misty is very young and after her reported weekend bender; she may not have been very coherent or quick thinking...

moo

Santa'sMom

04-04-2009, 02:20 AM

I'm so sorry for your misfortune, I personally don't know how one could sleep through someone walking through a trailer and picking up a child and not hear a sound but it has happened before and will happen again. I just hope Haleigh will be one of those happy endings.

Not only did they walk through the trailer and pick up the child, they also picked that child up basically from the floor (ever pick up a 40 or 50# bag of dog food from the floor? It works the back muscles) and they also did that with Misty sleeping on a mattress on the floor behind them. They had to turn their back to her to pick up Haleigh. Hmmm. I wonder why LE feels that there may be inconsistencies in Misty's story? Add Ronald's behavior and you have one heck of a story in itself. jmoo

legalmania

04-04-2009, 02:37 AM

Well everyone maybe tomorrow we well get good news, in the mean time hang on Haleigh we are still looking and will never give up. Here's a song that I hope you will enjoy. We all love and miss you.

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legalmania

04-04-2009, 02:44 AM

It is late; enjoy your movie, I guess... sounds scary! Anyway, I feel very confident that the girls I mentioned were sleeping in rooms without an adult. Elizabeth Smart was sleeping and sharing a room with her sister; no adult that I recall.

I don't have any personal knowledge of what it's like sleeping in a trailer; I have slept in a tent, but that's very different...

Actually it's not a movie it's a true story, the little girl who he mutilated lived and had a ear to ear cut across her throat, she testified and put the xxxxx in jail forever. He killed many women he claims but LE couldn't find any evidence of any other murders. One less monster.

legalmania

04-04-2009, 02:55 AM

That's a very sad scenario. Convincing an innocent person to believe they are guilty is difficult to comprehend.

moo

It happens all the time like I said I was in the business for many years and watched a few interrogations and almost confessed to a few myself. When you go 30 to 40 hrs with no food, water or sleep your mind starts to play tricks on you. That's why you often hear after a few days later people will change their pleas, to not guilty and say the confession was unconstitutional. If I was to say anything it would have been suicide for me. Eventually somebody told and there was a big shake up at that police department.