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Pat

04-01-2009, 10:00 AM

Jane Veluz Mitchell Transcript March 31

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...1/ijvm.01.html

Reference allegations Misty was not in the trailer the night Haleigh went missing:

JVM: Jared, do we have any idea who these alleged eyewitnesses are?

(JARED HALPERN, KOKV REPORTER JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA)HALPERN: -- spoken to any of them, certainly there have been claims made that she wasn`t home. A lot of them have been made as we`ve seen throughout this entire investigation from the Sheffield side of the family.

Jayne Weintraub, a criminal defense attorney I always mute :laugh:, also had this to say about Picazio interviewing Greg:

No. I don`t think it`s possible, but I do think that the police have already found Greg and spoken with him and taken a sworn statement. I think if Kim`s lawyer found him, - - Kim`s investigator found him surely the police found him already.

What upsets me or what troubles me and the police will not comment on is, what were the circumstances of the interview that was had yesterday? And was it going to compromise in any way the missing person interview? This is not about the custody issue or the divorce. We don`t care about that. We care about trying to find Haleigh and what happened.

Weintraub's last sentence is right on the money. I agree with her 100%.

While I have never held with the theory Crystal was in any way involved in Haleigh's disappearance, all this deflection is beginning to make me wonder if there is Sheffield family involvement.

Why in the world, with Haleigh still missing, are Crystal and Picazio so focused on diverting attention and finger-pointing?

I get the sense LE is wasting a lot of time disproving allegations and "tips" that lead nowhere.

I'll also bet there isn't an allegation posted on any message board that some "helpful" poster hasn't called in.

I didn't follow Lunsford case because I got turned off by the tone on the CTV board about Mark Lunsford and his family. Was it worse in that case than it has been in this one? TIA

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 10:05 AM

http://www.cbs47.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30696@video.cbs47.com&navCatId=5

CS suffers 2nd seizure

I think I read somewhere that CS's father was in LE. Does anyone know when he left, why he left, and what position he held? JMO

odyssey

04-01-2009, 10:33 AM

Come on Haleigh Girl............April Fool the one who took you and come home today!

:rose::rose: For Haleigh! God bless you sweetie.

Thanks very much for the new thread, Peaches :)

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 10:33 AM

Come on Haleigh Girl............April Fool the one who took you and come home today!

:rose::rose::rose: For Haleigh! God bless you sweetie.

Thanks for the new thread. Come Home Haleigh.

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 10:39 AM

2boysMom

04-01-2009, 10:45 AM

This case will break when someone at Rons work comes clean about Rons wear abouts, I think thats where it lays. Does anyone know how long Ron has been at his work, and when he worked before?

jmo

I thought that it's already been confirmed that Ronald was at work the whole time, but I could be mistaken?

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 10:49 AM

I thought that it's already been confirmed that Ronald was at work the whole time, but I could be mistaken?

Good Morning. Was Ron at work the whole 10 hrs of his shift? I'm confused on that. Would sure love to read it if anyone has a link. thx.

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 10:51 AM

I thought that it's already been confirmed that Ronald was at work the whole time, but I could be mistaken?

LE has confirmed he was at work. However, I suppose he could have left, though I would think LE is smart enough to have checked that out, don't you think?

I'm not certain if they can leave during their lunch break, but if you mapquest the address of his employer, it's at least 14 miles to Satsuma. (one way)

Most plants don't give their employees more that 30 minutes for lunch, imo

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 10:53 AM

LE said he was '..at work...' that night. They never said he stayed his whole shift. They haven't disclosed much of anything about their investigation. Just that they have; "...a lot..." when a reporter asked them how much evidence they have.

Morning Adalena. Thanks for that tidbit. I have been wondering if Ron was there at work his whole shift. I am also most glad to hear LE say they have "a lot" of evidence. Makes me have more faith in them. Now, if they could just bring Haleigh home...

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 10:59 AM

LE has confirmed he was at work. However, I suppose he could have left, though I would think LE is smart enough to have checked that out, don't you think?

I'm not certain if they can leave during their lunch break, but if you mapquest the address of his employer, it's at least 14 miles to Satsuma. (one way)

Most plants don't give their employees more that 30 minutes for lunch, imo

Just throwing this out there because it is a thought that has crossed my mind......could Ron have taken Haleigh's body to his worksite and dumped the body in a large hole and covered it up? Ron would not need a lot of time to do that. Of course, I don't know that is what happened, so it is jmo. I don't know about LE but I am not set on the 7pm timeline. Could an accident have happened earlier? just asking. Could Misti have driven the van to his work place? Just questions I have. No offense meant. jmo

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 10:59 AM

Morning Adalena. Thanks for that tidbit. I have been wondering if Ron was there at work his whole shift. I am also most glad to hear LE say they have "a lot" of evidence. Makes me have more faith in them. Now, if they could just bring Haleigh home...

Rosie, there was an article linked yesterday that was a media interview with Jeff Hardy. I'm not sure if you read it, but it gave me the impression that LE hasn't made much headway in figuring out who/what happened to Haleigh. Frankly, I was really disappointed reading this. Not bashing LE, but I was so hoping they were on the verge of an arrest...imo

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 11:01 AM

Rosie, there was an article linked yesterday that was a media interview with Jeff Hardy. I'm not sure if you read it, but it gave me the impression that LE hasn't made much headway in figuring out who/what happened to Haleigh. Frankly, I was really disappointed reading this. Not bashing LE, but I was so hoping they were on the verge of an arrest...imo

Thank you IllinisFan. I did not see that article. I will go searching for it. Sad to hear tho. thx again.

2boysMom

04-01-2009, 11:01 AM

starcat29

04-01-2009, 11:03 AM

Yes, they said that at one of their press conferences. It was the one when they announced Misty had given them the wrong information on what Haleigh was wearing. I call it the pink shirt press conference. The day they stopped the searches. I do believe they'll solve this case.

if they solved the case then were is haleigh

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 11:05 AM

Just throwing this out there because it is a thought that has crossed my mind......could Ron have taken Haleigh's body to his worksite and dumped the body in a large hole and covered it up? Ron would not need a lot of time to do that. Of course, I don't know that is what happened, so it is jmo. I don't know about LE but I am not set on the 7pm timeline. Could an accident have happened earlier? just asking. Could Misti have driven the van to his work place? Just questions I have. No offense meant. jmo

Rosie, imo the 7pm timeline is based on when Haleigh was last seen alive by someone other than Misty or Ron, could be wrong.

Ron is a crane operator, so it does make you wonder about digging a hole. But, He could be operating a crane that is inside one of the buildings. (it might not be a huge crane, idk.

Oh and no offense taken. I want the guilty party (if Haleigh is no longer with us) found and punished to the fullest extent.imo

Tracian

04-01-2009, 11:10 AM

This grandstanding by KP reminds me of the shades of Anthony's when they claimed they had the kidnappers under surveillance and that they had all these facts and information that they couldn't share because Caylee and the family would be in danger.

Any information that KP should happen upon does not belong in the media, it should be first and formost taken to LE--if it is good information, by giving these little 'teases' to the media only gives people a chance to take off or possibly destroy evidence.

starcat29

04-01-2009, 11:10 AM

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 11:11 AM

If Ron Cummings is on camera for all the hours he says he was there, then that blows my theory. But I dont think we know for sure if thats the case, I want to know how many people work with Ron at that plant, are any of them his friends, or acquaintances, or "client" if Ron was selling drugs, which I think he was dealing. If you are involved in that lifestyle it may not be in your best interests to open yourself up to have your life and going ons looked at by the cops.

I do think Misty was gone that night, until she knew Ron would be home, she got home just in time and discovered what she did, set up by Ron who went back home to check on her to see if she was actually there. I believe she was out on a bender the 3 days prior to Haleigh going missing and I think Ron went to check on her, and something happened to Haleigh and Ron disposed of her. I am very concerned her scent stops at the lake.

jmo

If I understod KP she said Misty was gone the weekend before. Said she had to verify some other things that WBG had told her. JMO

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 11:14 AM

starcat29

04-01-2009, 11:14 AM

Yes it was in your quote. I wondered where you heard it. shrug

someone wrote it in #23 that is why i asked where is haleigh then

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 11:14 AM

I think Misty left that night, probably had no key. I would love to know if that's really true. imo

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 11:15 AM

I apologize if this has been discussed before, but I have a question. I read a while back, I forget where, that Haleigh's nebulizer was missing.
I think that could be an important bit of evidence if true. Anyone hear anything about this? Thanks.

I don't think there is any information that was true. From all I heard it was a theory of what TN was talking about when she said there was something that should be with Haleigh. JMO

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 11:17 AM

It is apalling how the families are at odds with each other. Ron's family going back generations is protecting Misty when none of them were there during the time Haleigh disappeared, they say. Crystal's family backing her of course. And it's obvious they dispise one another. It's a pity. Don't they realize their childish behavior could hinder the investigation into finding Haleigh. Good grief, have these poor children lived with this open hostility between all these extended family members for all of their lives? ugh

I agree. If they weren't going for temporary custody right away, why get LE & CFS involved in an investigation. That is taking away resources that should be focused on finding Haleigh. JMO

Pat

04-01-2009, 11:18 AM

In any missing person's case, LE work from the inside out. The fact that they have not cleared the closest people to Haleigh, ronald and misty, tells me they are still investigating them. imo.

They haven't cleared Crystal or her family, either. They have consistently said everyone's a suspect.

Kelly3820

04-01-2009, 11:18 AM

TobyWong

04-01-2009, 11:21 AM

Just throwing this out there because it is a thought that has crossed my mind......could Ron have taken Haleigh's body to his worksite and dumped the body in a large hole and covered it up? Ron would not need a lot of time to do that. Of course, I don't know that is what happened, so it is jmo. I don't know about LE but I am not set on the 7pm timeline. Could an accident have happened earlier? just asking. Could Misti have driven the van to his work place? Just questions I have. No offense meant. jmo
I still would think decomp would show up somewhere. In the van or rons vehicle or the MH. IDK IMO I think the grandma bringing laundry over was just to check on misty since she did leave for a few days (if thats been proven) So g'ma checks then maybe ron checks on his break. Maybe misty sounded wierd to ron during a phone call and he ran home??? This is more plausable to me than anything happening before ron went to work. And I just can't see misty murdering and covering that well on her own. I could see her running Haleighs body to ron at work (still decomp ?? but what if she was still alive??)before i see her cleaning up so well that there is no evidence. idk jmo
I hope and pray that LE WILL make an arrest, Im just very concerned cause it really seems like they have nothing but all this crap everyone is slinging.

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 11:22 AM

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 11:24 AM

If Ron Cummings is on camera for all the hours he says he was there, then that blows my theory. But I dont think we know for sure if thats the case, I want to know how many people work with Ron at that plant, are any of them his friends, or acquaintances, or "client" if Ron was selling drugs, which I think he was dealing. If you are involved in that lifestyle it may not be in your best interests to open yourself up to have your life and going ons looked at by the cops.

I do think Misty was gone that night, until she knew Ron would be home, she got home just in time and discovered what she did, set up by Ron who went back home to check on her to see if she was actually there. I believe she was out on a bender the 3 days prior to Haleigh going missing and I think Ron went to check on her, and something happened to Haleigh and Ron disposed of her. I am very concerned her scent stops at the lake.

jmo

On PDM's website, the Palatka plant employs around 140 employees. They have 2 shifts. I'm sure a small number of these are clerical or office personel. I would think that each shift also has formen, superintendats that supervise the work. To me, and idle crane would be more obvious than someone slipping off that doesn't operate a large piece of equipment....Just trying to think through how likely Ron could have left with no one knowing.? Not saying it's impossible.

imo

edit to add, I think Misty was probably not at the trailer all night?

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 11:29 AM

On PDM's website, the Palatka plant employs around 140 employees. They have 2 shifts. I'm sure a small number of these are clerical or office personel. I would think that each shift also has formen, superintendats that supervise the work. To me, and idle crane would be more obvious than someone slipping off that doesn't operate a large piece of equipment....Just trying to think through how likely Ron could have left with no one knowing.? Not saying it's impossible.

imo

edit to add, I think Misty was probably not at the trailer all night?

I would think that LE has interviewed all the people that were working that night. I also heard that RC was not a crane operator, that he worked on making parts or something like that. JMO

Pat

04-01-2009, 11:31 AM

It is my believe Ron was working and LE know that. As for Misty I believe if they have these people and their statements saying Misty was not in the trailer that night but out partying LE would have that eviedence. This case reminds me so much of the Lunsford case. I think someone came in and took Haleigh. That is why there is so little evidence. If something happened to Haleigh and Misty had to clean up there would be lots of evidence left in that trailer for LE.

At this point in time I also believe someone came in and took Haleigh.

I would still believe it was a SO had Marie and Crystal not started to deflect attention away from Haleigh being missing to abuse allegations again Ron Cummings. So far there have been no claims by Crystal/Picazo that Ron had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. They are pointing the finger at Misty, but not accusing her of having participated in Haleigh going missing. Just that she has responsibility because she wasn't there. I noticed Picazio was careful to use the word "intimate" rather than "said" or "claimed" when referring to what "Greg" told her. But she said he said he wasn't there that night.

Crystal got on national TV and told a big fat lie over the pictures of Haleigh's fall at school. Picazio added the word "bloody" and has let the lie stand. That tells me plenty about their motivations and I won't believe a word either say about anything unless it comes directly from LE.

Tracian

04-01-2009, 11:32 AM

http://www.news4jax.com/video/19059573/index.html

I don't know if this has been offered, but the Sheriff says in this video that Misty's statements are inconsistent, and the fighting between Crystal and Ron are not helping in the investigation.

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 11:32 AM

Yeah, I know, I would be interested in how Ron got the job, what is his education? How did he pass a drug test? He wasn't employed there very long, I think its sketchy at best.

jmo

From what I have read, he had worked the night shift for 3 - 5 weeks, and worked the day shift before that. I don't really know how long Ron had worked there. I don't think he finished HS. I don't think that his lack of finishing HS or getting a GED (don't know if he has that) would preclude him from working there? I would imagine the guys in the plant get trained on the job, and their level of education might not be a problem, really. imo

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 11:34 AM

Right. Crystal may have hired someone to kidnap just Haleigh. That's one possibility. But they've repeated that Misty is the key and that Misty has many inconsistencies in her stories to them and that Misty's stories keep changing.

It could turn out to be anyone to blame. However why is Misty stonewalling LE?

She and ron LOVE Haleigh so much they're lying to investigators. Is Misty in cahoots with Crystal ya think? That's possible too but I'm having a difficult time getting my mind around that possiblity.

I don't know what LE considers inconsistent in Misty's interviews. If it is the fact that they think she was not home, then why doesn't Misty admit that if she had nothing to do with the disappearance. In fact why doesn't LE tell her that if she was gone and had nothing to do with the disappearnce, they would not charge her with negligence. Course until Misty retains an attorney, then LE's hands are pretty much tied, because if they get down to business then she will request a PD or hire an attorney. Course we know when an atty. gets involved all communications stop. JMO

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 11:34 AM

I would think that LE has interviewed all the people that were working that night. I also heard that RC was not a crane operator, that he worked on making parts or something like that. JMO

Oh, hmmm. Where did I get that he was a crane operator? I thought I had read that and it is was a fact....Well, sorry if I'm putting out incorrect info...

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 11:39 AM

Oh, hmmm. Where did I get that he was a crane operator? I thought I had read that and it is was a fact....Well, sorry if I'm putting out incorrect info...

No, your information may not be incorrect. I have heard both - that he was a crane operator and that he worked inside. I don't know if either is correct. Just what I read on these boards. He could have been the President of the company for what I know. JMO

Tracian

04-01-2009, 11:40 AM

From what the Sheriff offered in the video I linked, it seems that the problem they has is with Misty's statements, he did not allude to any problem with Ron's statements.

Kelly3820

04-01-2009, 11:41 AM

I'm with you that LE knows a lot. Even if Misty was out and they know that, that doesn't mean Misty was directly involved in the disappearance. I think if she was out and didn't not have any involvement in the disappearance, they can charge her with negligence. To me someone could come in and take Haleigh and not leave any evidence. I just don't think Misty is smart enough to do something to Haleigh and not leave any evidence. I could be wrong. I really can't decided who I think is responsible. JMO

Great post!!!! Misty is not smart enough to have duped LE. Even if she thought she was something would have been picked up by LE. I think it is a stranger or someone that has been watching the family. Took the opportunity with Ron working at night and went in and grabbed Haleigh. Reminds me so much of Jessica Lundford's case. So much of everyone's effort went into thinking it was the family and it was the dirtbag across the road that took her.

CANDYKISSES

04-01-2009, 11:49 AM

Again, Haleigh went missing from the cummings trailer, no Sheffields were present. imo.

Love Janey Weintraub, she is always good for a laugh or two. During the Laci Peterson murder trial, her theory was Laci followed scott to the Bay, and threw herself into the water, drowning as she tried to swim after him. Good to see JW is keeping up her comedy routine in this case. imo. :lol:

Just because Haleigh went missing from her home which for some reason calling her home a trailer empowers some, it does not by any stretch of the imagination get the Sheffield clan off the hook IMO.

IF it did, LE would have been the first to say so IMO. Good grief, you have a father/grandfather who was a former MARINE and former LE but yet he turns in a statement indicating he watched RC doing drugs, being abusive, refusing a bottle to a baby. That says enough about Johnny Sheffield. He is a true blend of CS and RC IMO.

Let's see, he likes the younger women just like RC, and he puts himself and his needs first just like his daughter CS, as well as the grandchildren if you believe the stories the Sheffield clan tell. I would say CS learned all about putting herself first from her father when you look at the pattern of life IMO. I think he and RC must have indulged in things that meant more to Johnny Sheffield than even his own family. While I won't say where RC picked up his bad traits, if it wasn't from his early years, I'd say being near kin to Johnny Sheffield was the last thing he needed for his finishing touches. JMO THO and nothing more.

Oh and Janie Weintraub definitely reminds me of Kim Picazio. Each time I listen to Kim come forward with her exaggerated claims and do the FLORIDA BACKSTEP, I am reminded of the new lows we have seen in this case. I do feel Weintraub is one step above Kim just because I've never seen her belittle her client and throw false information out there regarding the case she was representing.

I certainly hope Kim paid attention to what Hardy was saying as she has been instrumental in the ugly fighting going on between Crystal Sheffield and Ron Cummings IMOO. She has been a detriment for the bio-mom in this case and when all is said and done Kim will go on to leave Crystal hanging out there facing all the flack unless her whole family packs up and leaves town with Kim.

What a terrible thing to do ever so publicly while she was grinning away trying to fan the flames on ISSUES Monday. She appeared to be more like a school girl all excited for a blind date at the thought of talking with Greg IMO. barf

ALL JMO based on following this case from day one.

BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME TO HER FAMILY and give them a MIRACLE. :wub:

CANDYKISSES

04-01-2009, 11:51 AM

I wonder how ronald having no job, influences his ability to keep custoday of Junior?

Well apparently Kim Pricazio thought her client could do so even with over $4,000 in arrears for support IMO. :ohmy:

Texas48

04-01-2009, 11:52 AM

CANDYKISSES

04-01-2009, 11:54 AM

That's the "expert" with the brown hair and glasses, isn't it? She's a hoot.

No Nan, that's not Janie Weintraub, as Janie has a head full of blond highlights. I believe the one you are thinking of is SUSAN MOSS. JMO:ohmy:

Pat

04-01-2009, 11:56 AM

I believe I said those on the inside, no Sheffield family member was on the inside, that night. Unless you have facts to the contrary, do you?

I have seen no link where LE has been quoted using the words "those on the inside". I will gladly retract my statement if there are any.

CANDYKISSES

04-01-2009, 11:58 AM

A hoot and a half for sure. She is the classic defense attorney who will think up outrageous scenarios for any suspect, no matter the appalling nature of the crime, just like she' doing in this case.

IIRC, she's based in Florida, maybe she'll join the defense team should anyone EVER be caught in this case.

I believe in your haste to pound on Weintraub you must have overlooked the description Nan put in her post. She is referring to SUSAN MOSS the real comedian who provides entertainment with her wit and limerick style verse on the cases NG covers IMO. :blushing:

Pat

04-01-2009, 11:59 AM

I'm with you that LE knows a lot. Even if Misty was out and they know that, that doesn't mean Misty was directly involved in the disappearance. I think if she was out and didn't not have any involvement in the disappearance, they can charge her with negligence. To me someone could come in and take Haleigh and not leave any evidence. I just don't think Misty is smart enough to do something to Haleigh and not leave any evidence. I could be wrong. I really can't decided who I think is responsible. JMO

If Misty wasn't there and has lied to LE about it, but still had no connection to Haleigh being taken, I will be interested in seeing how they handle it.

I've followed the saga of the Anthony family and still can't believe none have been charged with obstruction of an official police investigation. Lord knows, there's plenty of evidence to prove they have.

CANDYKISSES

04-01-2009, 12:02 PM

LE has confirmed he was at work. However, I suppose he could have left, though I would think LE is smart enough to have checked that out, don't you think?

I'm not certain if they can leave during their lunch break, but if you mapquest the address of his employer, it's at least 14 miles to Satsuma. (one way)

Most plants don't give their employees more that 30 minutes for lunch, imo

Given the accusations levied against Ron Cummings in the past month, LE would be totally remiss if they had not GONE BACK out there and interviewed others he worked with to insure their info was accurate. I do believe if a crane worker went missing someone would notice, but that's JMO. I hope the posters who believe all of LE is afraid of RC aren't thinking they would be deliberately remiss after hearing HARDY yesterday. JMOOC. :sad:

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 12:03 PM

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:03 PM

Weintraub should probably bone up on the facts before commenting, imo. What divorce? Crystal was never married to Ron.

I also don't think that LE is going to let anything deter them from doing everything they can to find Haleigh and find the person(s) involved in her abduction.

JMO
ita Tiffany..IMO JW has never had her facts straight on ANY show she appears on. If LE allows their investigation of Haleigh to go by the wayside just because there are other allegations coming forth than I have to question/wounder about this LE dept. jmo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:05 PM

A hoot and a half for sure. She is the classic defense attorney who will think up outrageous scenarios for any suspect, no matter the appalling nature of the crime, just like she' doing in this case.

IIRC, she's based in Florida, maybe she'll join the defense team should anyone EVER be caught in this case.
HOOT isn't what I would call her but that another story. She must have way too much time on her hands and now has to resort to appearing on "the shows." jmo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:08 PM

This case will break when someone at Rons work comes clean about Rons wear abouts, I think thats where it lays. Does anyone know how long Ron has been at his work, and when he worked before?

jmo
You may be right PochetteCles..I don't recall the exact time he worked at this place..I can go back and find it but I do not believe it was a year. I just can't remember.

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 12:09 PM

Yep, wonder if poor Junior has health insurance now, since ronald quit. If you quit your job, I doubt very much if you retain health insurance. I bet KP is reviewing that situation too.

He might Jo, isn't it called Cobra (or am I confusing that w/the PI..lol

plus how expensive would health insurance be if he had to get a policy for Jr. Probably not all that much?? imo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:10 PM

LE said he was '..at work...' that night. They never said he stayed his whole shift. They haven't disclosed much of anything about their investigation. Just that they have; "...a lot..." when a reporter asked them how much evidence they have.With the hours Ron was working..night shift..one can pretty much go and come as they please..They clock in and they clock out. What goes on in between is any bodys quess. JMO

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 12:14 PM

He might Jo, isn't it called Cobra (or am I confusing that w/the PI..lol

plus how expensive would health insurance be if he had to get a policy for Jr. Probably not all that much?? imo

Why yes it is called COBRA.

And health insurance for just Jr. wouldn't be that much, but IF he's quit his job he can probably just use Medicaid.

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 12:15 PM

With the hours Ron was working..night shift..one can pretty much go and come as they please..They clock in and they clock out. What goes on in between is any bodys quess. JMO
I wonder if that plant had a security gate. They have buildings at the plant, but from the website, it looks like they have materials in the yard outside. I would think PDM would have a security fence and possibly a guard. But that's just speculation. I know many plants operate this way...imo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:15 PM

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 12:16 PM

Didn't the Haleigh fund pay for Ron's car insurance payment? Maybe Ron will tap the fund for his Cobra payments too.

moo

He could, but that would deplete that fund rather quickly.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:17 PM

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 12:18 PM

Just because Haleigh went missing from her home which for some reason calling her home a trailer empowers some, it does not by any stretch of the imagination get the Sheffield clan off the hook IMO.

IF it did, LE would have been the first to say so IMO. Good grief, you have a father/grandfather who was a former MARINE and former LE but yet he turns in a statement indicating he watched RC doing drugs, being abusive, refusing a bottle to a baby. That says enough about Johnny Sheffield. He is a true blend of CS and RC IMO.

Let's see, he likes the younger women just like RC, and he puts himself and his needs first just like his daughter CS, as well as the grandchildren if you believe the stories the Sheffield clan tell. I would say CS learned all about putting herself first from her father when you look at the pattern of life IMO. I think he and RC must have indulged in things that meant more to Johnny Sheffield than even his own family. While I won't say where RC picked up his bad traits, if it wasn't from his early years, I'd say being near kin to Johnny Sheffield was the last thing he needed for his finishing touches. JMO THO and nothing more.

Oh and Janie Weintraub definitely reminds me of Kim Picazio. Each time I listen to Kim come forward with her exaggerated claims and do the FLORIDA BACKSTEP, I am reminded of the new lows we have seen in this case. I do feel Weintraub is one step above Kim just because I've never seen her belittle her client and throw false information out there regarding the case she was representing.

I certainly hope Kim paid attention to what Hardy was saying as she has been instrumental in the ugly fighting going on between Crystal Sheffield and Ron Cummings IMOO. She has been a detriment for the bio-mom in this case and when all is said and done Kim will go on to leave Crystal hanging out there facing all the flack unless her whole family packs up and leaves town with Kim.

What a terrible thing to do ever so publicly while she was grinning away trying to fan the flames on ISSUES Monday. She appeared to be more like a school girl all excited for a blind date at the thought of talking with Greg IMO. barf

ALL JMO based on following this case from day one.

BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME TO HER FAMILY and give them a MIRACLE. :wub:

Maybe she did score a date with Greg!!! J/K

I posted a question upthread, did not get an answer. Do you know if CS's father worked for LE, when he quit, why he quit, and what was his position.

Also did you see where CS had a 2nd seizure, well really a 3rd if you count the one before Haleigh went missing. She was with Chad and Chole when this one happened. JMO

Tracian

04-01-2009, 12:18 PM

In the Links thread there is a transcript of the JVM show last night. I tend to agree with Kavinoky on this and can see how the infighting can actually help LE rather than hinder;

DARREN KAVINOKY, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, first Jane, I want to thank you for publicly dubbing me "The Voice of Reason." I`m going to get a lot of mileage out of that when I get home.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I could take it back too, you know.

KAVINOKY: I know, I know.

The reason police won`t want to silence the rumor mill is because in some respects it can actually serve them. The way that people respond when these rumors come out could be very telling. And of course, investigators don`t want to come out with anything until they really have it nailed down.

So I wouldn`t hold my breath and expect that law enforcement is going to publicly come out and start denouncing anything until they really have this case sewn up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/31/ijvm.01.html

MOO

The Sheriff has already said that the infighting is not helping the investigation.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:19 PM

Rosie, there was an article linked yesterday that was a media interview with Jeff Hardy. I'm not sure if you read it, but it gave me the impression that LE hasn't made much headway in figuring out who/what happened to Haleigh. Frankly, I was really disappointed reading this. Not bashing LE, but I was so hoping they were on the verge of an arrest...imoAnd it is very possible LE is trying to throw all off track in hopes someone will make a mistake.jmo

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 12:21 PM

In the Links thread there is a transcript of the JVM show last night. I tend to agree with Kavinoky on this and can see how the infighting can actually help LE rather than hinder;

DARREN KAVINOKY, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, first Jane, I want to thank you for publicly dubbing me "The Voice of Reason." I`m going to get a lot of mileage out of that when I get home.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I could take it back too, you know.

KAVINOKY: I know, I know.

The reason police won`t want to silence the rumor mill is because in some respects it can actually serve them. The way that people respond when these rumors come out could be very telling. And of course, investigators don`t want to come out with anything until they really have it nailed down.

So I wouldn`t hold my breath and expect that law enforcement is going to publicly come out and start denouncing anything until they really have this case sewn up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/31/ijvm.01.html

MOO

*Bolding mine

I agree with that. Just as soon as the tip about the rumor of Misty being out the night of 2/9 came out, TN was on NG saying that it wasn't true because she had "sent a family member" over there and Misty was there.

Of course, the family member was there at 7 p.m. and left after a few minutes (supposedly) so they can't really say for sure that Misty was indeed there ALL NIGHT can they?

It was also the first time anybody other than the a/c guy and Misty's brother had been said to have been there that night.

KKKKKKatie

04-01-2009, 12:23 PM

If I ever go missing don't anyone dare call my place a condo! It is crass, disrespectful, and demeaning. It is my HOME after all. <sarcasm off>

Come on guys....all of this is silly IMO

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 12:23 PM

But isn't ronald in the process of setting up a website? Donations could be requested there, imo. The anthonys seem to have the bill paying without working thing down pat, maybe george will came and advise ronald?

imo.

IIRC, the site is supposed to be up and running tomorrow.

It will be interesting to see exactly what the site will be used for.

:wink:

Tracian

04-01-2009, 12:25 PM

I know what the sheriff said. I watched the show and read the transcript.

I stand by my opinion that watching how people respond can be helpful.

Well, if it was my child, I would want to help LE not hinder them. If LE is saying it is hindering the investigation, I would back off, at least in the media.

KKKKKKatie

04-01-2009, 12:26 PM

what?? you live in a CONDO???

LOL, IKWYM, a home is a home is a home.......be it a tent or a penthouse, Haleigh would still be missing wherever she lived.....wouldn't she?

Sadly....yes she would. :sad:

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 12:26 PM

The word trailer is not offensive to me, I have relatives and friends living in them. All wonderful people, who call where they live trailer courts and their manufactured housing trailers.

Maybe people who are offended need to write to NG and JVM 'cause they use the word "trailer" every night when describing the Cummings' home.

:shrug:

Tracian

04-01-2009, 12:27 PM

Any one seen or heard from KP since her big grin on JVM show,you know where she just told the viewers she had spoken with gregg... Of course she admitted she needed to verify what he told her before telling anyone. Did she even know Crystal, her client, had been in an accident earlier in the day??? She sure didn't mention it if she knew.. Hummmmm.

What gets to me about KP's little teases is that she is acting as though she is some crack investigator finding information that LE does not already have--if she is, then the people she should share with first is LE, not the media and PIs.

Shades of the Anthonys...IMO.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:28 PM

someone wrote it in #23 that is why i asked where is haleigh thenPoster posted "I believe they'll solve this case."

KKKKKKatie

04-01-2009, 12:28 PM

Maybe people who are offended need to write to NG and JVM 'cause they use the word "trailer" every night when describing the Cummings' home.

:shrug:

to me...it is just a verb. A description of the type of home she lived in. Like condo, townhouse, ranch etc. IMO

Tracian

04-01-2009, 12:29 PM

I would imagine KP is working with her investigators, trying to find Haleigh.

Doubtful...LE is being tight lipped, not running to the media with teasers. As well the Sheriff has already stated that the infighting is a hindrance not a help.

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 12:30 PM

Well apparently Kim Pricazio thought her client could do so even with over $4,000 in arrears for support IMO. :ohmy:

And apparently Crystal isnt employed at this time either.....I wonder how that will affect the custody issue.......I still think that if Crystal's attorney thought that Junior was in grave physical peril with Ron that she should request an emergency hearing, and at least temporarily remove Junior from Ron's physical custody and place with him with a family member that can ensure his safety and well being....

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:31 PM

On PDM's website, the Palatka plant employs around 140 employees. They have 2 shifts. I'm sure a small number of these are clerical or office personel. I would think that each shift also has formen, superintendats that supervise the work. To me, and idle crane would be more obvious than someone slipping off that doesn't operate a large piece of equipment....Just trying to think through how likely Ron could have left with no one knowing.? Not saying it's impossible.

imo

edit to add, I think Misty was probably not at the trailer all night?I would tend to believe the employees are allowed to leave on breaks and such. They have a 15 min. break..30 min..meal break..15 min break during a shift at most places like Ron worked at. imo

Tracian

04-01-2009, 12:32 PM

I try to stay objective by focusing on the case and try not to let my personal life and experiences cloud my perception of the facts.

But that's just me...

I think most people judge things based on personal experience. But being 'objective' I will say that it makes little sense to do the exact thing that LE professionals are saying in not helping their investigation.

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 12:33 PM

Exactly. That was Annette Syke's, right? And iirc Misty never mentioned her being there at all.

Good example of what I'm talking about.

No Misty didn't, not until much much later.

And then you have the abuse allegations and Ron himself claiming that he does it just like CPS told him to do - no denials in that he disciplined or punished the children.

Then the report of the "stick marks" comes out and you have GGM Sykes claiming the "old school" discipline that she believed in.

So, that tells me that yes these two children were punished with sticks, switches, belts or other "weapons" - not just a swat on the behind, and that Ron's family endorsed these "old school" methods, and that IMO, CPS has indeed spoken with Ron about his discipline techniques otherwise why would he say they told him how to "spank" his child. Oh, yeah and the "agreement" he had with Haleigh...never understood that one.

JMO

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 12:33 PM

What gets to me about KP's little teases is that she is acting as though she is some crack investigator finding information that LE does not already have--if she is, then the people she should share with first is LE, not the media and PIs.

Shades of the Anthonys...IMO.

don't forget to include Cobra, too.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:38 PM

Just because Haleigh went missing from her home which for some reason calling her home a trailer empowers some, it does not by any stretch of the imagination get the Sheffield clan off the hook IMO.

IF it did, LE would have been the first to say so IMO. Good grief, you have a father/grandfather who was a former MARINE and former LE but yet he turns in a statement indicating he watched RC doing drugs, being abusive, refusing a bottle to a baby. That says enough about Johnny Sheffield. He is a true blend of CS and RC IMO.

Let's see, he likes the younger women just like RC, and he puts himself and his needs first just like his daughter CS, as well as the grandchildren if you believe the stories the Sheffield clan tell. I would say CS learned all about putting herself first from her father when you look at the pattern of life IMO. I think he and RC must have indulged in things that meant more to Johnny Sheffield than even his own family. While I won't say where RC picked up his bad traits, if it wasn't from his early years, I'd say being near kin to Johnny Sheffield was the last thing he needed for his finishing touches. JMO THO and nothing more.

Oh and Janie Weintraub definitely reminds me of Kim Picazio. Each time I listen to Kim come forward with her exaggerated claims and do the FLORIDA BACKSTEP, I am reminded of the new lows we have seen in this case. I do feel Weintraub is one step above Kim just because I've never seen her belittle her client and throw false information out there regarding the case she was representing.

I certainly hope Kim paid attention to what Hardy was saying as she has been instrumental in the ugly fighting going on between Crystal Sheffield and Ron Cummings IMOO. She has been a detriment for the bio-mom in this case and when all is said and done Kim will go on to leave Crystal hanging out there facing all the flack unless her whole family packs up and leaves town with Kim.

What a terrible thing to do ever so publicly while she was grinning away trying to fan the flames on ISSUES Monday. She appeared to be more like a school girl all excited for a blind date at the thought of talking with Greg IMO. barf

ALL JMO based on following this case from day one.

BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME TO HER FAMILY and give them a MIRACLE. :wub:
May I ask..how many of JW cases have you followed and the clients she represented?

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 12:38 PM

I asked CandyK, never got an answer, has KP filed for custody of Junior on Crystal's behalf?

I have not read that a custody petition has been filed and IMO that would be all over the media......

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:39 PM

Are we going to get bashed for calling a trailer a trailer now? This case does involve a trailer.Well....if they can't find anything else to bash about...kwim?

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 12:40 PM

I asked CandyK, never got an answer, has KP filed for custody of Junior on Crystal's behalf?

What I understood KP to say was that she had not filed for custody, just for an investigation. Depending on the results of the investigation, will determine if she files. JMO

AmndaRcknwth

04-01-2009, 12:40 PM

KimP has said they are letting DCF investigate, and have not files anything at this time.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:44 PM

When was Susan Moss on JVM?She wasn't on JVM..JW was.

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 12:47 PM

KimP has said they are letting DCF investigate, and have not files anything at this time.

This information bothers me on many levels.......Because from what I have read DCF has investigated Ron at least twice IIRC....I still dont understand why KimP and Crystal trust DCF at this point in time...
I'm just saying...If it were me my first priority would be to remove Jr. from Ron's custody asap for his safety.....Surely there must be a family member on either side that can take care of this child.....Does anyone here see what I am saying?

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:49 PM

Didn't the Haleigh fund pay for Ron's car insurance payment? Maybe Ron will tap the fund for his Cobra payments too.

mooYep..payed for car ins. and something else..slipped my mind which is nothing new. If he gets Cobra ins. hes gonna have to tap more than the "fund." Heck..he may have to go back to work..?? imo

solar

04-01-2009, 12:49 PM

Under the circumstances wouldn't Ron fall under the FLMA guidelines? He didn't have to quit his job.

moo

He would only qualify for FMLA if he was on the job 12months and 1000 hours. I don't know how long he was with the company.

imo

solar

Texas48

04-01-2009, 12:52 PM

Why don't you try and use the word HOME.Ya know..I can not understand the problem with the word "trailor"..Is it beneath some of you that you just can't bring yourself to say/post it? My goodness...Its a trailor..a mobile home..a tee pee..grass shack..whatever.

kitty1182

04-01-2009, 12:53 PM

It's time for this child to be found......:sad:

Tracian

04-01-2009, 12:58 PM

This information bothers me on many levels.......Because from what I have read DCF has investigated Ron at least twice IIRC....I still dont understand why KimP and Crystal trust DCF at this point in time...
I'm just saying...If it were me my first priority would be to remove Jr. from Ron's custody asap for his safety.....Surely there must be a family member on either side that can take care of this child.....Does anyone here see what I am saying?

She cannot legally remove Jr. without a court order. In California, as she is not the custodial parent, should a order to remove be put in place, Jr. would not go to a family member unless they were cleared through investigation, he would first go into foster care.

DCF is not an advocate for either parent, rather they are only for the child's best interest, and should they find abuse, they at least in CA will remove the child until they run a complete investigation.

As far as other 'complaints' that DCF investigated, just because they didn't concur with the report does not mean they didn't do their job. Nasty custody battles are notorious for bringing of charges against one parent or the other.

Tracian

04-01-2009, 01:00 PM

Maybe someone close to Jr is afraid of what he might say while in another's custody full time

Or maybe someone is afraid he will end up back on TV.

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 01:01 PM

Just coming by to see if any news on Haleigh...While I do think RC outmaneuvered Crystal on the custody issue and may have made many mistakes in his young life I do think he was at work for his entire shift. My son works the night shift and believe me someone would know if he left and why would he drive 15 minutes home and turn around and come right back. If he were concerned about Misty being there or not there would be calls on his phone at least...second Misty, while I think she has issues with the truth...she is only 17 and with all of her issues in her past seems like she has a classic case of ADHD, I know many kids that have that and can't keep a story straight if there life depended on it. It seems like they realize some won't believe them and they add in fibs to make the situation look better and they wind up making matters worse. Finally I don't think Crystal had anything at all to do with this, after the past with Ron I can believe she didn't believe a whole lot of what he said. i truly feel for the entire family, I can't imagine my child being missing. I can honestly see why Crystal wants Jr with her, if one of my children were gone I would definitely want my eye on the other one. I can understand RC not wanting to lose Jr...I think that is one for the court to decide on later. The only thing that makes sense is what is coming from Jr...if it is true. I truly feel someone that knew the family got in there and took that child.IMO

I agree totally with what you're saying concerning Ron being at work for his entire shift......Shift workers have to clock in and out.....And I dont think anyone Ron worked with would cover for him and lie and say he was there the whole time if he had left during his shift.....That at the very least would be an obstruction charge I would think.. maybe plus losing their job for lying.....

Some one came in and took Haleigh.....I dont know if Misty was there or not....In my gut I think she was and was asleep......When I was 17 I slept so hard a tornado could have lifted our home and I probably would have slept right thru it.....But I think she left the door unlocked accidentally and that's how Haleigh was taken....IMO...and Misty would prbably even swear that all doors were locked because she may not remember.....IMO

cat3

04-01-2009, 01:03 PM

Texas48

04-01-2009, 01:07 PM

That's Haleigh's home:wub:, and she is a victim of ABDUCTION at a minimum IMO.

I guess "trailer" became obsolote and almost politically incorrect as well as offensive when Jeff Foxworthy came on the scene with his redneck humor. It was used to put people down and laugh at the same time.

My guess is the word "trailer" being used to describe a mobile home became obsolete and offensive when "retard" became obsolete and offensive when describing a developmentally delayed human being. IT was used to put people down and laugh at the same time just as above.

I could say the same for the "N WORD". I find that totally offensive as well, but there was a time when it was accepted. I feel it was used to put people down and make a joke of human beings too.

But hey, when you've lived through both sides of the issue, it's all about whatever you choose and whether you're sensitive to other people IMO. I'm only saddened for Haleigh's home to be called what is typically the brunt of a joke these days because she is no joke and neither is her missing status, so maybe I am sensitive to a victim who was let down by both of her biological parents IMO. :sad:

I feel the same way when I see posters use "the kid" on a missing child. I feel it's crass, disrespectful and demeaning to a young child and it's JMO and nothing more. I guess you can put it up to my upbringing just as you have done in excusing your insensitivity to Haleigh's home. :wink: Peace out Jo.Ya know Candy..I usually pass right by your long drawn out post that brings NOTHING new to the table but moaning about how and what another poster post. IF YOU have a problem with the word Trailor then by all means don't use it..thats how SIMPLE it is. You cannot dictate what words posters use..to PUT DOWN another poster for wording..give it a break and let up. This is exactly where and when the bickering begins. jmo..and feel free to scroll by my post because I will use whatever words I want to untill they tell me someone made you BOSS. jmo again.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 01:10 PM

*Bolding mine

I agree with that. Just as soon as the tip about the rumor of Misty being out the night of 2/9 came out, TN was on NG saying that it wasn't true because she had "sent a family member" over there and Misty was there.

Of course, the family member was there at 7 p.m. and left after a few minutes (supposedly) so they can't really say for sure that Misty was indeed there ALL NIGHT can they?

It was also the first time anybody other than the a/c guy and Misty's brother had been said to have been there that night.Love your post and I always get tickled when I see the words "a/c" man.....In ALL cases that we have all followed we ALL know everyone's name involved with this exception...The a/c man. lol

Tracian

04-01-2009, 01:11 PM

And he was put on TV, youtube, and other things long before Crystal did her geraldo interview, The celebration at Chillis, Jr was proudly displayed in the engagement photo.

Its so funny that Nancy was all over Crystal about one interview with junior when she shares pictures of her twins on a weekly basis, we hear how blessed she is everyday, she had put some bad men away, do you think someone would not have a score to settle with her? Yet she exploits her kids, and thats fine.

These double standards.

jmo

Not a double standard at all. This 4 year old was put on TV to talk about what he saw that night, which only will taint his memory according to the experts.

A lot of people put video and pictures of their kids on webpages, I have no problem with that at all; I do have a problem with exploiting the memory of a 4 year old, which could be quite easily compromised, thus again hurting the investigation.

NG's children are not possible witnesses in a kidnapping either.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 01:14 PM

Well, if it was my child, I would want to help LE not hinder them. If LE is saying it is hindering the investigation, I would back off, at least in the media.LE can gather alot of info on all when the "bad" starts coming forward. Even if it is mud slinging between the families. NOW..LE can really get to know what everyone is about. jmo

cat3

04-01-2009, 01:17 PM

Exactly! All the people who take on these cases lately seem to just want face time. It's good for business.

Haleigh who?

Picazio is a drama queen.All this talk of children being beaten bloody is a perfect example of her using dramatic words to garner attention.
I'm not buying any of this cr*p from her without proof,and if she had proof,it would be out there. IMO

Tracian

04-01-2009, 01:17 PM

LE can gather alot of info on all when the "bad" starts coming forward. Even if it is mud slinging between the families. NOW..LE can really get to know what everyone is about. jmo

I understand what you are saying, basically, I am just offering what the Sheriff said in regards to this internal fighting.

I think it is really a double edged sword, maybe it will break something open, or it might just make everyone lawyer up at some point and cause a complete stand still.

Tracian

04-01-2009, 01:19 PM

So are you telling me these same rules didn't apply when the pics of Junior at Chillis came out? Or the Youtube videos?

Was he being interviewed about the night his sister went missing?

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 01:20 PM

I know you may not understand but I will post the definition of trailer and mobile home... Try to pm your friends if you have a comprehension problem with my definition. This is my last word on it. Maybe some of you don't know or care but CW closed this board last nigh because of this kind of BS!!!!!
At least I can spell it. I see now why you don't recognize the definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

Main Entry: 1trail·er

Pronunciation: \ˈtrā-lər\ Function: noun Date: 1590
1: one that trails2: a trailing plant3: a nonautomotive vehicle designed to be hauled by road: as a: a vehicle for transporting something <a boat trailer> ; especially : semitrailer 1 b: a vehicle designed to serve wherever parked as a temporary dwelling or place of business c

............................Main Entry: mobile home Function: noun Date: 1940
: a dwelling structure built on a steel chassis and fitted with wheels that is intended to be hauled to a usually permanent site

Again, send it to NG or JVM. They use the word "trailer" more than anybody on this board.

JMO

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 01:20 PM

I disagree. I think that both CS and KP are very concerned for jrs safety but KP is just going through the proper channels.

You can't just yank a child out of the home and place them with someone else.

A proper and fast channel is to file for an emergency custody hearing to at least get Jr. away from Ron and placed with another family member if Jr is in physical peril and according to KimP that seems to be the case....IMO........Then go the filing of custody on behalf of Crystal......It happens every day in every family court room in America.....

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 01:24 PM

A proper and fast channel is to file for an emergency custody hearing to at least get Jr. away from Ron and placed with another family member if Jr is in physical peril and according to KimP that seems to be the case....IMO........Then go the filing of custody on behalf of Crystal......It happens every day in every family court room in America.....

If Ron and Misty had moved back into the house instead of in with his mother, IMO an emergency hearing would have already been held.

Right now there's too many people around. Jr.'s not in any immediate danger and if Ron's not working, he's definitely not being left in Misty's care.

cat3

04-01-2009, 01:24 PM

I disagree. I think that both CS and KP are very concerned for jrs safety but KP is just going through the proper channels.

You can't just yank a child out of the home and place them with someone else.

Proper channels being the media? How does that help Jr? In my opinion if the situation were so dire for Jr's safety he would already be removed from the "abusive" Ron.IMO

Pat

04-01-2009, 01:24 PM

<snip>
I still think that if Crystal's attorney thought that Junior was in grave physical peril with Ron that she should request an emergency hearing, and at least temporarily remove Junior from Ron's physical custody and place with him with a family member that can ensure his safety and well being....

Frankly, after the Geraldo episode (which was before Picazio inserted herself into the fray), I am absolutely amazed Jr. wasn't removed immediately. The pictures were awful and Crystal claimed it was the direct result of Ron abusing Haleigh. Unfortunately for Picazio, instead of finding a way to have Crystal retract her claim or simply shutting her up, she took her on national television and added "blood" to the vocabulary.

LE has said Ron and Crystal have a "history" with DCF. Jr. hasn't been removed yet and I absolutely do not believe they wouldn't have acted immediately if there was a scintilla of evidence regarding this bloody abuse.

The fact Picazio didn't immediately take those pictures to a judge and file to have Jr. removed for his own safety tells me she found out the real story after she got to town.

Her problem is she didn't look deep enough and believed her client's version of events. She claimed Crystal (because of her 10th grade education) didn't realize she could question the original custody decision and she didn't have a lawyer. Court documents show Crystal did know and had a lawyer.

Picazio now has a credibility problem.

Tracian

04-01-2009, 01:25 PM

Yep.

And in the meantime, sweet little Haleigh is deteriorating into a skull and bones in the woods. Just like Caylee while the circus is in town, so to speak.

Yes, harsh. But the truth is often uglier than we want to look at.

I agree. Once the public begins to believe that the child was murdered or that her own family could be involved the focus of the case tends to shift to the antics of the family....As you mention, just like in the case of Caylee.

AmndaRcknwth

04-01-2009, 01:27 PM

We don't know what happened to Haleigh.

Nope, we don't. But usually it is the case.
I wish, as everyone here, that she was alive and well, cared for and hugged.
I just don't think our wish will come true. I'm a realist.

AmndaRcknwth

04-01-2009, 01:31 PM

What a price for this child and her family to pay for this ambitious,selfish so called attorney to get her face on TV....SAD!!!!:cursing:

bambam, it isn't just Kim, it's the whole media thing. Every lawyer who possibly can wants to have face time. It's their job, they do it.

Who's more to blame is people like NG and all of the TH... they exploit these cases to he!! and back.

Because WE watch it.

Pat

04-01-2009, 01:31 PM

Exactly! All the people who take on these cases lately seem to just want face time. It's good for business.

Haleigh who?

This trend, along with the one of blaming the dead victim in a murder trial, appears to be the latest trend.

The claim of "truth and justice" for this kind of behavior sure doesn't hold up when you look at the Spector trial and Jose Baez's behavior in the Anthony case. To name only the most recent cases I've followed.

Geragos ended up with mud on his face over the ludicrous claims in the Peterson case and it couldn't have happened to a nicer, or more deserving guy. Same goes for that buffoon of a DA (Nifong) in the Duke Lacrosse case.

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 01:32 PM

Maybe someone close to Jr is afraid of what he might say while in another's custody full time

I think that is entirely possible.

I also think that one of the reasons KP & Crystal are not yet pushing hard for custody is because they have some measure of confidence that while Junior is in such close proximity to Annette & Teresa that the level of risk is much lower than if he was only with Misty & Ron. My guess is that Junior is now spending a lot more time with his grandmother & great-grandmother than was typical during the time that Misty & Ron lived together, before Haleigh went missing.

JMO

odyssey

04-01-2009, 01:34 PM

I also wonder if someone did come in the trailer and take Haleigh, as Jr supposedly said?

I go back and forth on that. He did just turn 4 when Haleigh went missing. I don't think you can just dismiss that though. (Not sure why Ron does). A child that age awake, alert imo could recount something if they have age appropriate cognitive and verbal skills.

On the other hand, a sleepy child in the middle of the night, I don't know? imo

What I wonder is if jr. said originally to the officers that "a man came out of the wall" and took his sissy. I wonder if someone was hiding where the hot water heater was(if there was enough room) and came out after all were sleeping or all was quiet.

That would explain why the officers removed part of the wall (to get closer to possible evidence) and also why it has been reported by Crystal that he fears someone will come out of the wall and take him too.

To clarify, I have seen nothing that states that LE *took* any part of the wall with them, only that they cut out part of the wall by the water heater. The way that news was presented did not make it sound like they were removing evidence but rather looking for some.

jmoo

Tracian

04-01-2009, 01:35 PM

So his face on a picture is different, like its still not him?

Perhaps I am not clear, so I will try to explain again:

Putting a four year old on TV to be interviewed about the night his sister went missing, quite easily could skew his memory of that night. Experts in child witnesses have time and time again stated this in other high profile cases when child witnesses may have information or be called to testify that improper questioning could foul the memory.

Again this is media grandstanding. No one needed to hear this little boy tell what he saw himself on TV; especially since the information he gave was already given out to the media via his parents.

cat3

04-01-2009, 01:38 PM

Has it been proven that someone did not see Ron Cummings backhand Haleigh and she fell down? This came out before KP, because if true, its sad and sick. How about Ron shooting guns at mirrors? Where were the kids then? He lost one of his children whether he was there or not. If his child is missing as a result of him being a snitch, he should have let the courts know, he was putting his kids in danger, from all that to letting Misty drive them around, and look what has happened!

Nothing has been proven or disproven in this case.All we have to go on are rumors and the media at this point.We don't know if Ron hit any of his children.The shooting at mirrors is a rumor as well.The snitch theory is rumor too.

I'm satisfied at this point in the case that LE hasn't said that Ron has been inconsistent and according to a report before the Today show interview,LE has said that they believe Ron has no idea where Haleigh is.Good enough for me.IMO

Tracian

04-01-2009, 01:41 PM

Well, it was wrong, so now what, do we make Crystal sign over her parental rights? If I had to pick between being a dumb parents because I did an interview, or being the parent who lost the child, I would opt for the first selection, but thats just me.

I never said she should have to give up her parental rights.

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 01:45 PM

I agree, everyhting is rumors. But just because Ron doesn't know where Haleigh is does NOT neam he doesn't know what happened, IMO

And if he knows what happened to Haleigh, I believe with all my heart that LE knows what Ron knows or thinks......I DO NOT believe for a second that Ron wouldnt tell LE everything he knows to find his daughter...MOO

cat3

04-01-2009, 01:47 PM

I didn't say media in my post and I didn't mean media either.

She turned over what she has to DCF and they are investigating.

Are you an attorney?

I know you didn't say media.I'm the one that asked how going to the media is helping anyone in this case.....aside from Picazio.
If the situation in the Cummings home at this time is so dangerous for Jr,and if I were an attorney concerned strictly with the well being of a child,going on TV and making allegations wouldn't be a move that I would consider appropriate.IMO

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 01:48 PM

Reposting for you.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

Main Entry: 1trail·er

Pronunciation: \ˈtrā-lər\ Function: noun Date: 1590
1: one that trails2: a trailing plant3: a nonautomotive vehicle designed to be hauled by road: as a: a vehicle for transporting something <a boat trailer> ; especially : semitrailer 1 b: a vehicle designed to serve wherever parked as a temporary dwelling or place of business c

............................Main Entry: mobile home Function: noun Date: 1940
: a dwelling structure built on a steel chassis and fitted with wheels that is intended to be hauled to a usually permanent site

bam-bam you seemed to have left out the top part: 1trailer( n); 2trailer(v), , house trailer, trailer park, travel trailer.

5 entries found.

1. 1trailer (noun)
2. 2trailer (verb)
3. house trailer
4. trailer park
5. travel trailer

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Main Entry:
1trail·er Listen to the pronunciation of 1trailer
Pronunciation:
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Function:
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Date:
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1: one that trails2: a trailing plant3: a nonautomotive vehicle designed to be hauled by road: as a: a vehicle for transporting something <a boat trailer> ; especially : semitrailer 1 b: a vehicle designed to serve wherever parked as a temporary dwelling or place of business c: mobile home 4 a: preview 3 b: a short blank strip of film attached to the end of a reel.

ETA: This is from Merriam-Webster Online Search

Peaches

04-01-2009, 01:55 PM

Thanks Rosie!! :lol:

Thanks.

I know that all this is going to help locate a missing girl. :mad:

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 01:55 PM

And this is my opinion only......a high profile case with lots of media coverage attracts the bottom feeders.....

No doubt of it.

And the flip side of that coin is that without all this drama from both sides of the family & without the insertion of attorneys & PIs & rumors of drugs & going on binges & rumors of sneaking out to go partying & rumors of 17-year-olds being intimate with one guy while living with another guy - this story would have fallen right off the radar & would be getting little if any coverage.

The truth is that any story like this NEEDS coverage, because we just cannot know who is paying attention, who might know something & not realize they have pertinent info, who or how many people might need a bit of reminding that there are more important things in this world than their own little lives & who might need a little public push to come forward to LE & say what they know.

JMO

cat3

04-01-2009, 02:00 PM

I agree, everyhting is rumors. But just because Ron doesn't know where Haleigh is does NOT neam he doesn't know what happened, IMO

True,but more than likely if Ron knew what happened he would know where she is.IMO

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 02:02 PM

Thanks.

I know that all this is going to help locate a missing girl. :mad:

Correct info is certainly necessary. Would you not agree Peaches?:confused:

AmndaRcknwth

04-01-2009, 02:11 PM

:) looks like a good time for lunch as any.

Peaches

04-01-2009, 02:13 PM

Correct info is certainly necessary. Would you not agree Peaches?:confused:

No matter what any of you choice to call IT, it was HaLeigh's home.

cat3

04-01-2009, 02:21 PM

That's a question for KP, not me and it had nothing to do with my post that you quoted.

I've already said that I think she is going through the proper channels. I never said the media is proper channels.

I never said you said the media was a proper channel.lol.I posted MY opinion that an attorney using the media wasn't a proper channel.IMO

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 02:26 PM

[/B]I am also wondering if the FBI is still on the case, does anyone know ?

<snipped>

The FBI website page that addresses child abductions specifically states that they are always involved in cases like this. That link has been posted at least twice by me & possibly more by others.

JMO

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 02:28 PM

who said they saw Ron at the store at 2am?

and what did they do with Haleighs body?

and why did the LE say they are satisfied Ron was at work his WHOLE shift?

um actually I have been trying to find a link where I could read that LE is satisfied that Ron was at work the whole 10 hr shift. I cannot find it, but I have trouble with links. Could you guide me to that link, please. I would love to read what LE said and thinks. much obliged. jmo

Tracian

04-01-2009, 02:30 PM

that's exactly what i thought you meant. my grandmother used to say "go back to your pipe blow hard"......talking about bag pipes.

gentle reminder, don't feed the trolls.

odyssey

04-01-2009, 02:32 PM

hey hey hey! let's not be insinuating posters are druggies. they could very well be challenged when it comes to posting, shyness, whatever, but that was totally uncalled for. Please apologize.

I don't understand your post .. she said nothing about drugs and that thought never crossed my mind .. i am confused why it crossed yours? i don't see the connection sorry

Tracian

04-01-2009, 02:33 PM

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 02:34 PM

ohhh so was he seen at the store at 2am or not?

I don't know if it is rumor or fact but I heard the same thing. Don't think I could ever find it, but someone posted it here IIRC. jmo

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 02:36 PM

For what it is worth, the Sheriff said that the only inconsistancies they have are with Misty, but will not elaborate.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/19059573/index.html

Thank-yee.....

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 02:37 PM

I don't know if it is rumor or fact but I heard the same thing. Don't think I could ever find it, but someone posted it here IIRC. jmo

I truly never believe until I hear it from LE's mouth.......If LE says that they know he was at work the whole time, I believe them.......We have to trust someone so I choose to trust LE for my information....

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 02:43 PM

um actually I have been trying to find a link where I could read that LE is satisfied that Ron was at work the whole 10 hr shift. I cannot find it, but I have trouble with links. Could you guide me to that link, please. I would love to read what LE said and thinks. much obliged. jmo

I don't think they said that they were satisfied he was at work.

In the link that's posted over and over again, IIRC they (LE) say when asked about Ron's work "yes, that's his alibi" and then they go on to say that, however, "we don't know what happened to Haleigh or what time it happened".

Most people skim right over the "what time it happened" part, IMO.

The did say they are "satisfied that Ron doesn't know where his daughter is". FWIW.

Note they did not say they were satisfied he was no where near the home on the night of 2/9, nor did they say they were satisfied that he had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, nor have they said he passed a polygraph.

odyssey

04-01-2009, 02:46 PM

It might have been a misunderstanding, but there's no reason for me to apologize.

wow .. expected better .. saddening.

__________________

going back to jr being afraid of someone coming out of the wall to come get him at the Haleighbug center .. seems that fear would have to come from somewhere ..

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 02:46 PM

LE leaves the door open in all thier answers.

Yes they do.

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 02:48 PM

I don't think they said that they were satisfied he was at work.

In the link that's posted over and over again, IIRC they (LE) say when asked about Ron's work "yes, that's his alibi" and then they go on to say that, however, "we don't know what happened to Haleigh or what time it happened".

Most people skim right over the "what time it happened" part, IMO.

The did say they are "satisfied that Ron doesn't know where his daughter is". FWIW.

Note they did not say they were satisfied he was no where near the home on the night of 2/9, nor did they say they were satisfied that he had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, nor have they said he passed a polygraph.

OK cry....Ron injured Haleigh badly enough to kill her before he went to work........I dont see it.......Haleigh's GGM saw her at 7 and by 7 Haleigh would be showing symptoms of a fatal injury.....I promise you she would......What is your theory and when did he do this?

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 02:49 PM

OK cry....Ron injured Haleigh badly enough to kill her before he went to work........I dont see it.......Haleigh's GGM saw her at 7 and by 7 Haleigh would be showing symptoms of a fatal injury.....I promise you she would......What is your theory and when did he do this?

I never said that he did.

cat3

04-01-2009, 02:49 PM

Actually, you said,

Originally Posted by cat3
Proper channels being the media? How does that help Jr? In my opinion if the situation were so dire for Jr's safety he would already be removed from the "abusive" Ron.IMO

Then you continued to argue your own twisted version of what I said.

I believe that's called a straw-man argument.

straw-man
One entry found.

Main Entry: straw man
Function: noun
Date: 1886
1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted
2 : a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/straw-man

Just what was it that I twisted? You posted that KP was going through the "proper channels" I posted that the media(which is one of the channels used by KP) isn't a proper channel.How did I twist anything?
As far as I know I am allowed to an opinion,and in my opinion KP isn't using a proper channel when she utilizes the media to fight her case.
As for the "twisted version" of what you said......AGAIN for the third time I NEVER said you posted anything regarding the media.That was my post and MY opinion regarding the media.Man talk about twisted.
Show me one post where I posted that YOU mentioned the media.IMO

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 02:50 PM

well we know she was fine when Ron left for work........ FACT. and he was at work his WHOLE shift.

We do know that?

Got a link?

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 02:51 PM

I truly never believe until I hear it from LE's mouth.......If LE says that they know he was at work the whole time, I believe them.......We have to trust someone so I choose to trust LE for my information....

To quote Billy the Kid: There is many a slip betwixt a cup and the lip.

I guess what I am trying to say is I think LE is keeping every thing close. I don't know if Ron was seen at a convenience store at approx 2am. But I think it is possible. And I am not sure LE would tell us if they know. just saying, meaning no offense here. I am just stating my opinions like everyone else. Since we don't know a whole lot about this case except what we get from the media and message boards hinky meters and speculations are rampant, including mine. Speculation is not worth warm spit, but I still have mine. jmo

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 02:52 PM

I never said that he did.

Maybe I misunderstood your post......Do you have a theory as to what happened and who carried Haleigh to wherever she is now? I really want to know....I always try to have an open mind.....

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 02:54 PM

We do know that?

Got a link?

LE's crucial timeline starts at 7 pm that night. If LE thought someone took or harmed Haleigh before that ( and no one saw her alive in that time period) then why isn't that included in the crucial timeline?

I believe that this timeline starts at approximately when LE believes that she was last seen alive. So if they thought she was missing before 7 then the timeline would reflect that...imo

odyssey

04-01-2009, 02:54 PM

Are there transcripts of the early press conferences?

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 02:55 PM

I thought they were involved early on but left. Does anyone know the extent of their involvement today? Because seriousy, if you tell me the FBI is actively involved along with everyone that's on this case, I am going to get seriously worried.

I don't know that they are occupying the same physical space as the local & state LE, but they are working on the case. Marc Klaas has made references to the task force (including the FBI) when he has appeared on some of the talk shows. The sheriff has also made references.

And here is the Haleigh info from the FBI's website -

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/cummings_h.htm

Short excerpt...

Individuals with information concerning this case should take no action themselves, but instead immediately contact the nearest FBI Office or local law enforcement agency.

If you scroll down the page you see this part across the bottom, each one opens a new page...

Jacksonville Field Office | Kidnapping and Missing Persons Investigations |
| FBI Home Page | FBI Field Offices

Here is the link to the Crimes Against Children section -

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/crimesmain.htm

Short excerpt...

The mission of our Crimes Against Children (CAC) program is threefold:
first, to decrease the vulnerability of children to sexual exploitation;

second, to develop a nationwide capacity to provide a rapid, effective, and measured investigative response to crimes against children; and

third, to enhance the capabilities of state and local law enforcement investigators through programs, investigative assistance, and task force operations.

There is a link on this page to the Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Teams (CARD) -

http://www.fbi.gov/card/

Short excerpt...

The CARD Teams are designed to deploy teams of 4–6 experienced personnel to provide on-the-ground investigative, technical, and resource assistance to state and local law enforcement. The CARD Teams consist of Crimes Against Children investigators who have in-depth experience in child abduction cases. The nationwide CARD Team consists of 48 members, with two full teams serving each region of the country. They work closely with FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit representatives, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime Coordinators, and Crimes Against Children Coordinators.

Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) Teams
It is the mission of the FBI's Crimes Against Children Unit to provide a quick and effective response to all incidents of crimes against children. The first few hours after a child is abducted are critical, and that is why we have established the Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) Teams.

The CARD Teams are designed to deploy teams of 4–6 experienced personnel to provide on-the-ground investigative, technical, and resource assistance to state and local law enforcement. The CARD Teams consist of Crimes Against Children investigators who have in-depth experience in child abduction cases. The nationwide CARD Team consists of 48 members, with two full teams serving each region of the country. They work closely with FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit representatives, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime Coordinators, and Crimes Against Children Coordinators.

In addition to their unique expertise, CARD Teams are capable of quickly establishing an on-site command post to centralize investigative efforts and operations. Other assets they bring to the table include a new mapping tool to identify and locate registered sex offenders in the area, national and international lead coverage, and the Child Abduction Response Plan to guide investigative efforts.

Tracian

04-01-2009, 02:56 PM

was there DNA, Fingerprints or hair when Danielle Van Dam or Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped?

Also, then what Jr. told his mother, and LE is a complete fantasy.

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 02:57 PM

well we know she was fine when Ron left for work........ FACT. and he was at work his WHOLE shift.

No offense Fallen, but I am having trouble with your "FACT". Please don't include me in with your "we" know she was fine when Ron left for work. I don't KNOW that. I just don't. I think it is "wishful thinking" for some but not proven. jmo

Tracian

04-01-2009, 02:59 PM

did they do that with elizabeth smart, danielle van dam or jessica lunsford?

NO

Nope. In fact in the case of Danielle, the neighbor didn't have a record did he? I don't think that the creep that took Elizabeth had a record either, at least nothing to do with children, IIRC.

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 03:01 PM

Are there transcripts of the early press conferences?

I think there are only videos. I have looked for transcripts in the past and not found any...imo youtube?

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 03:01 PM

I thought the exact same thing. Bagpipes never crossed my mind, and I don't believe for a minute the poster meant bagpipes. :rolleyes: GMAB

It should be reported, imo. People have been banned for much, much less.

To be truthful, bagpipes never crossed my mind either. jmo

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 03:02 PM

Did ya ever stop to think that Great Grandma lies?

Yes...I guess maybe she might lie....but my gut tells me she wouldnt...that Haleigh would be her only concern....MOO..

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 03:03 PM

Did ya ever stop to think that Great Grandma lies?

When Haleigh was last seen alive is so crucial to their timeline, I think Grandma was likely polygraphed..imo

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 03:03 PM

I am gonna need a link for the comment you made about you having an open mind. Thanks in advance! :tonguewag:

LOL...that was funny...ok

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 03:08 PM

van has been cleared NO evidence

It was said no evidence "on" the van. What about inside?

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:08 PM

So were Ron and Misty and they havent been cleared!

No one has been cleared.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 03:09 PM

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 03:09 PM

Not necessarily.

If Misty used that van on occasion, as reported, to take Haleigh to the bus stop, then both Misty and Haleigh's DNA/hair/skin cells should be in that van.

Finding it in there would not require an explanation.

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 03:10 PM

well i'm sorry you don't want to believe the police. they've said AFTER 7 pm........she was fine and seen after Ron went to work. and they are satisfied he was at work his WHOLE shift.

I'm going to agree with the police............. why would they lie?

I don't think LE has lied. But they have been reserved in their statements, that throws up suspicion to me. jmo

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 03:10 PM

So were Ron and Misty and they havent been cleared!

I was posting about Grandma and where she lied about seeing Haleigh alive at 7. I think they likely poly'd Grandma and feel that she was not deceptive, because that is when their timeline starts.

Wouldn't the very first thing LE would want to establish with a really good degree of confidence is when that missing person was last seen alive? imo..Not being arguementative, but just trying to understand LE's timeline and the importance of when she was last seen alive..

cat3

04-01-2009, 03:11 PM

I gave you the definition of a straw-man argument because that's exactly what you attempted to do.

I'm moving on. You can keep beating this into the ground but I'm not going to join you.

Yes.Moving on for you sounds like a good idea seeing as you are wrong.
I'm moving on as well.No apology needed from me for your false accusations.I understand it must stem from lack of comprehension on your part,or possibly you don't grasp the idea that everyone has a right to an opinion.IMO

Texas48

04-01-2009, 03:11 PM

Very nicely put Tex, imo. In my experience, trailers become mobile homes when hurricanes roll on the scene. Very common in Florida, imo.VERY common no matter where one goes..MY GM lives in one as we speak. Double wide and well built. We all love it.

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 03:14 PM

OMG Fallen. Think....Think. How many breaks does Ron have? 3? None? We don't know, and we don't know how many times he left. All LE would know is if he checked in on time and if he checked out at the normal time.

I think LE is smart enough to go to his employer and question fellow employees and formen/superintendants.imo

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:16 PM

Again not necessarily. If the company has surveillance cameras the police could/would know if Ron left at any time, how long he was gone, what time he got back or if he never left period.

How far is it from Ron's work to his house?

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 03:17 PM

How far is it from Ron's work to his house?

approximately 14 miles................I dont see him hurting Haleigh......hiding her so she will never be found.......and getting back to work on time.....

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:18 PM

I think LE is smart enough to go to his employer and question fellow employees and formen/superintendants.imo

I agree. LE does have some experience investigating.

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 03:18 PM

I think Mapquest showed approximately 14 miles, one way from the address of his employer to Satsuma...

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:19 PM

approximately 14 miles................I dont see him hurting Haleigh......hiding her so she will never be found.......and getting back to work on time.....

I agree, someone would have noticed him coming home, a rukus in the house, him leaving, coming home, disposing of a body, coming home, and then the call to 911

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 03:20 PM

Given the amount of errors we've seen in media reports I think that was a typo.

Maybe. Maybe Not.

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:20 PM

IIRC about a 10 minute drive.

so it would be about 20 minutes round trip. Thank you

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:21 PM

Her scent stops at a lake, how hard would it be to throw her in, get back in your car and leave?

I thought LE cleared that area.

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 03:22 PM

Her scent stops at a lake, how hard would it be to throw her in, get back in your car and leave?

Her scent probably stops at the lake because she was at the lake a million times with her dad.....maybe fishing or swimming......

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 03:23 PM

Her scent stops at a lake, how hard would it be to throw her in, get back in your car and leave?

That and the lake was only about 8 blocks from the house.

:shrug:

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 03:23 PM

I agree, someone would have noticed him coming home, a rukus in the house, him leaving, coming home, disposing of a body, coming home, and then the call to 911

The neighbor reportedly heard screaming, yelling coming from the mobile home about 2:30am on the morning of the 10th. Could this have been Misti and Ron fighting? jmo

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 03:24 PM

Her scent probably stops at the lake because she was at the lake a million times with her dad.....maybe fishing or swimming......

If they tracked scents that old, wouldn't they have tracked to the school where she had been just that day?

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 03:24 PM

we don't know how isolated his work was. someone on another board said that they worked a similar job and it was alone and on a trust basis.

Well, I don't know if that was true in Ron's case.. I looked on their website which had a picture of the Palatka plant. It showe buldings and materials in their yard area. I didn't see a security fence, but it's possible/likely one existed. I doubt the owners would want people to have access to their facilty with expesive equipment and building materials. If they have a fence, then there could be a security guard letting employees in and out. That is really fairly common.

I can't be certain of that. Just trying to think about facilites in my area and how they work...jmo?

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 03:24 PM

I thought LE cleared that area.

Tim Miller said when they left Satsuma Haleigh was not in that area.....

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:24 PM

Has LE stated that Ron never left his place of employment? I don't recall reading or hearing that.

Someone posted a link that said that being at work was Ron's alibi, but I have not read that they confirm or disprove him being there, just like with the polygraphs...all that LE says is no one is cleared.

The only thing I have actually 'heard' is that the Sheriff has said that the only inconsistencies have come from Misty...

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 03:27 PM

They didn't clear the lake, and ron Cummings said early on she didn't go down there, so how was her scent there, and at the edge?

Oh yes, he said she was afraid of water.

Then posted pictures of her swimming and playing in the lake having a great time!

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 03:29 PM

They didn't clear the lake, and ron Cummings said early on she didn't go down there, so how was her scent there, and at the edge?

I read someplace that LE said that the wind was blowing hard that day and they were not sure if the dogs found a scent from her being there or if the scent was blown there by the wind. They took the bedding outside and placed it on the railings of the back entry for the dogs to smell. JMO

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:29 PM

They didn't clear the lake, and ron Cummings said early on she didn't go down there, so how was her scent there, and at the edge?

No, I remember Ron saying that they had gone down there, but that Haleigh did not go down there alone.

I find it hard to believe that if Haleigh's scent went to the water's edge that LE has not pursued that possibility at all.

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 03:31 PM

They didn't clear the lake, and ron Cummings said early on she didn't go down there, so how was her scent there, and at the edge?

IIUC, TES searched the water with sonar equipment. JMO

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 03:31 PM

No, I remember Ron saying that they had gone down there, but that Haleigh did not go down there alone.

I find it hard to believe that if Haleigh's scent went to the water's edge that LE has not pursued that possibility at all.

Well I hope at five years old she wouldn't go down there alone!

But, what is the current like in the St. John's River and are there other bodies of water where the currents can travel?

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 03:34 PM

Hi bama_angel,

Placed with which family member? I would think that Crystal and her attorney are having very involved conversations which look at every angle. Court proceedings are unpredictable because human beings are involved.

Never have I heard of the scenario you describe in a child custody hearing, emergency or not, but you may have knowledge I don't have. Maybe Crystal doesn't want Ronald Jr. placed with a family member. It will be out of her hands once a judge intervenes.

It must be absolutely horrifying for her, and everyone who sincerely loves this little boy, to leave him in Ron's hands right now. We actually don't know what is happening, when it comes down to it, but if Ron Jr. is with his dad at this time all eyes are watching. I can only guess that as they keep close tabs on him, Crystal is trusting her attorney to prepare a solid case for custody.

These are just my thoughts about it.

The cases that I am familiar with in my state involve children who are in immediate peril with a parent or parents.......DCS( Dept. of Child Services) requests an emergency hearing in front of a family court judge to temporarily remove child from home and placed with an approved family member or foster care.....These cases are usually cases which DCS has been involved with for quite some time...IMO

I think you are probably correct in your assessment that KimP and Crystal believe that Jr. is ok with Ron at this point......Are Ron and family living with his mother now?

I didnt know that.....

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:34 PM

I read someplace that LE said that the wind was blowing hard that day and they were not sure if the dogs found a scent from her being there or if the scent was blown there by the wind. They took the bedding outside and placed it on the railings of the back entry for the dogs to smell. JMO

here is one story in this regard:

A canine officer followed a track that lead directly out the back door of the home and down a wooded path.

Deputies found what appeared to be a small footprint in the dirt, but noted Haleigh's shoes were still inside her home.

The tracking dog led deputies to a pond and back to Green Drive [map it], Haleigh's street. Deputies looked inside a small building with a door that had been left open. Nothing was inside.

The track continued north past Haleigh's home down Monroe Avenue and onto Buchan Circle, which looped back to Monroe Avenue. The canine officer continued to track down Buffalo Bluff Road but lost the track at the railroad crossing.

Investigators are now treating Haleigh's disappearance as an abduction.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131276&catid=3

CANDYKISSES

04-01-2009, 03:38 PM

You know, I can NOT for the life of me understand how so many poster's post such hateful words about the man who has taken care of his two children for 4 years. Take a look at the many video's and picture's of his children, do they look like,unhappy abused children? Don't try and tell me they don't tell the story of their life. THEY DO!!!!! These are happy children, there is a reason... They have been loved and it shows all over their little faces. But if it makes any of you feel better about yourself to trash her father, carry on... I just hope no one in your family has to face what this family is facing today ,yesterday and most likely tomorrow. Please stay off the internet message boards if you do...

BamBam, some of the issues with this could come from those who normally look to another human being for a moral compass and always weigh in heavy footed calling women everything short of saints IMO. There is always some reason for a certain percentage of our population to blame their issues on men IMOO.

Well, it would appear perhaps a person who wears the hat well as an advocate for victims has seen the forest through the trees and isn't just giving away support to WOMEN IN GENERAL any longer IMO.

I feel some of the leading advocates for victims have learned much over the past few years from seeing women play the system and they are becoming a bit more prudent about throwing her support in the ring when they see deception and women who put themselves before their children IMO.

So some of these other (so called) advocates for victims who might have been following the leading advocates simply because of their support of women are now aghast when one or more call it like it is and they could be revolting IMOO. Kind of like what's going on in England at the bank today.

It seems some of the loyal followers may feel these female advocates are abandoning the cause and are holding parents in general accountable in some of these cases. Some even think the female advocates are now holding women to a higher standard. But alas, it's JMO. :sad:

Haleigh's case may or may not be attributed to poor choices by two parents, failure to provide support or daycare, but no matter what they were, in the end RC and CS were all she had to count on when it comes to the law and providing for her IMO. As far as I am concerned the watch never stops when you're a parent period.

:wub:BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME and give her FAMILY A MIRACLE!

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 03:38 PM

Hang on a sec.....is it a lake or the St John's River? I thought it was the river and divers searched it for a couple of days.

Authorities have searched Haleigh's neighborhood house-to-house and divers have probed the St. Johns River.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/content/news/specialreports/haleigh_cummings/story/Investigators-Haleigh-Cummings-was-abducted/fDPWYomy4ESw2X_OpDyR0w.cspx

It's the St. John's River. That's why I was asking about the currents and direction of travel for them.

There's also a canal, but I didn't think it was that deep.

SavannahStar

04-01-2009, 03:39 PM

Are there gators in the water?

There are gators in virtually every body of water in FL.

SavannahStar

04-01-2009, 03:46 PM

Tracian

04-01-2009, 03:46 PM

The neighbor reportedly heard screaming, yelling coming from the mobile home about 2:30am on the morning of the 10th. Could this have been Misti and Ron fighting? jmo

Maybe it was Misty yelling for Haleigh. Can anyone place Ron at home at the time? The 911 call was made about 3am, maybe Ron got home between 2:30 and 3am and started yelling at Misty why she hadn't called 911 yet; he was pretty loud in the background, maybe that is what the neighbor heard.

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 03:47 PM

Everyone calling it a lake was throwing me. I knew the police had sent in divers to search. And I'm reasonably sure the divers would take the current and direction of the river into account when searching. From everything I've ever seen about water searches they "go with the flow."

Yes, but her tiny body, if she's there, could have gotten caught up in anything on the floor of that river.

:sad:

IMO, 2 or 3 days of "probing" wouldn't be enough.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 03:49 PM

There are gators in virtually every body of water in FL.Good afternoon SS. I have heard that several times about Fl...so they..gators... are in every water spot? Geeez. TY for the info. I had always meant to ask and you did..

?noanswer

04-01-2009, 03:50 PM

Everyone calling it a lake was throwing me. I knew the police had sent in divers to search. And I'm reasonably sure the divers would take the current and direction of the river into account when searching. From everything I've ever seen about water searches they "go with the flow."

Also bodies will float to the surface within a few days if they don't get hung up on something or if they are not weighted. LP's body eventually floated to the surface and there was evidence that the body had been weighted. JMO

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 03:51 PM

they have? how so?

Oh, you know, the usual. The LDT results, releasing the van saying nothing was "on" it, sending Tim Miller home, the little pink shirt......just stuff like that. You can read it all in the links......jmo

SavannahStar

04-01-2009, 03:52 PM

they might attack small dogs, etc but they don't usually attack people, do they?

They most certainly do! :ohmy:

There was a story in my local news just this week about a gator (small one) that walked in a man's HOUSE, and took a bite out of the guy's arm. Actually I think that news story also made it to CNN.com.

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 03:52 PM

they said they are satisfied he was at work his WHOLE shift.

When did they say that? Has it been in the last month?

Here's the transcript from when Capt. Shauland appeared on JVM's show on February 27th -

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In terms of the family, why the re-interviews over and over again of Misty and Ron and why haven`t any of the immediate family members been excluded as suspects at this point?

SHAULAND: Well, nobody has been excluded as a suspect because we just don`t know what happened to Haleigh. We don`t know anything about her whereabouts. As you can well imagine, somewhere down the line when all likelihood we`ve got a crime involved in the disappearance of Haleigh.

And so we are trying to keep the criminal investigation alive and we`ve not ruled out anybody because we don`t know what the crime is at this point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I guess --

SHAULAND: As far as --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

So we`re in the process of interviewing and re-interviewing. And a lot of times this gets confused with questioning. Many times we just have new information that comes in as a part of the leads. And we then have to reaffirm it or affirm it or find out that it is a false lead.

So who was it with LE who said it has been verified that he was at work the entire time?

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 03:55 PM

Also bodies will float to the surface within a few days if they don't get hung up on something or if they are not weighted. LP's body eventually floated to the service and there was evidence that the body had been weighted. JMO

IIRC, it as about four months before Laci's torso washed ashore. The parts of her body that were weighted did not wash up.

IF Haleigh was in the river, depending on the currents, she could be just about anywhere provided she's not hung up on something at the bottom of the river.

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 03:57 PM

Don't forget the cinderblocks on the property, the cinder blocks Ron at first said he didn't know were there. How do we know some of them aren't missing?

Good question!

2boysMom

04-01-2009, 04:04 PM

With the hours Ron was working..night shift..one can pretty much go and come as they please..They clock in and they clock out. What goes on in between is any bodys quess. JMO

Just curious, Tex, how you know this? Are you talking about night shifts in general or specificaly Ron's job on the night shift?

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 04:24 PM

uh huh i have and IMO the LE have not reversed anything.

Where did you get the word REVERSED? I said LE had been reserved. Two different words.....

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 04:25 PM

What if she didn't consider her actions as hurting a child, but disciplining them for their own good? I am still concerned about this pics of Haleigh with her hands bandaged.

I think KP would have brought that picture up if there was not a logical explation for the bandages...imo...?

crymeariver2006

04-01-2009, 04:27 PM

I think KP would have brought that picture up if there was not a logical explation for the bandages...imo...?

We don't know that she hasn't. She did say there were other photos that she had turned into DCF and LE that she did not release to the media.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 04:28 PM

I once saw a cat eat a mouse! I kid you not! My hand to Jesus! I dang near called Animal Planet!LMAO..lol..lol Hope bam doesn't see any typos here I'm laughing too hard to type...We needed that.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 04:31 PM

Because Misty lies! She needs to be taken back behind the wood shed and have her butt paddled!May I ask June..are u from the deep south cause when I say what u said in my southern lingo I start laughing all over again. YOU are needed here...imo:thumbsup:

Texas48

04-01-2009, 04:32 PM

ITA CALLING DR PHIL. :thumbsup:
OMG...LMAO again..got tears in my eyes.

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 04:33 PM

yes but unless they saw the pics before all this happened then who would be giving them the logical explanations? They can't ask Haleigh, she's not here.

Too many questions, too few answers

Yeah, you have a point there.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 04:34 PM

Yes, I do live in FL. Wow, I don't think I could handle a gator in my pool, at all! :scared:

I did have one sorta "close encounter"......it was actually at a beach (Sanibel Island). A gator was making a bee line from a moat-like thingy around the condo, straight to the ocean. It was VERY close to my Mom and me who were walking along the beach. Everyone always said gators don't go in salt water, but we saw it with our own eyes.

Other than that, none have "bothered" me.

But yes, they absolutely DO go for small animals, children, and adults in the water!Lordy child..we need to get you moved to another state.

MoonFlwr

04-01-2009, 04:34 PM

We don't know that she can't keep her story straight. I think it's very possible her "inconsistencies" are really miscommunications after watching her interviews. She isn't the most literate person I've ever seen.

We all have the right to walk out of police interviews unless we have been arrested. Other than that one time I haven't heard police say she isn't cooperating. She was questioned for 30+ hours, submitted to more than one ldt, gave a dna sample. That is not uncooperative.

Hey, there is some food for thought in your post! Thanks for posting your perspective. :)

Texas48

04-01-2009, 04:37 PM

What if she didn't consider her actions as hurting a child, but disciplining them for their own good? I am still concerned about this pics of Haleigh with her hands bandaged.And that brings to mind..was there ever any report on what happened to her little hands? I searched one day and never found anything. I wounder if TN knew about it?

Texas48

04-01-2009, 04:39 PM

IF Ron backhanded Haleigh, it had nothing to do with her abduction.

If Ron shot guns at mirrors, it had nothing to do with the abduction of Haleigh.

Misty driving the children around had nothing to do with the abduction of Haleigh.

IF Ron is not a "snitch" I hope he sues all who claimed such.
I personally will write him a note suggesting that very thing. The slander about his lifestyle will not be hard to find.

Enough is enough. There is a child missing.

There is an excessive amount of FACTS we can discuss without stooping to rumor and innuendo.
Okey Dokey Kathy..you go first.

TxLady2

04-01-2009, 04:43 PM

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 04:53 PM

And that brings to mind..was there ever any report on what happened to her little hands? I searched one day and never found anything. I wounder if TN knew about it?

It must have been serious burns just looking at the amount of gauze used all the way up to her wrists. Not just a bandaid or a piece of ice. How does a child get her hands burned to such degree? Did she put them on both burners when the stove was on? Yikes. Looks bad. jmo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 04:54 PM

Where might one find these "excessive amount of FACTS"?You can sit by me cause I'm still waiting...for facts..the list..

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 04:56 PM

sorry i miss-read it.

It's okay. Been there; done that. lol

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 04:57 PM

There is an excessive amount of FACTS we can discuss without stooping to rumor and innuendo.

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How can we possibly know at this time what actions in the past are relevent to Haleigh's disappearance? We have no idea what time she went missing, how or in what state she left the house, whether she was taken by someone who knows her - or taken by someone who knew OF her - or any other details. All we know is that she is gone & she should not be gone.

Until we know WHY she is gone, we can't say with any certainty what history of any individual is important.

As for Ron suing anyone - don't hold your breath. There is such a thing as deposition and I do not believe Ron would want to be questioned under oath about any potential drug use, drug abuse, drug arrest or drug history of any kind he may or may not have.

(but I would sure like to be a mouse in the corner if ever that day should come)

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 05:01 PM

Or were they put on the stove burners? IDK. Of course, they had a fireplace in some pics, could have happened there, or could have happened on a portable heater, happens to kids.

It bears looking at, in my opinion, and asking questions. Maybe there is a satisfactory answer. Something serious happened to the child's hands, imo.

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 05:04 PM

It bears looking at, in my opinion, and asking questions. Maybe there is a satisfactory answer. Something serious happened to the child's hands, imo.

It could be any number of things really. I don't know that we can attribute every bandage and bruise to abuse.

Also, maybe Haleigh hurt her hands under Crystal's watch. Now I don't know that, but it certainly is possible? imo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 05:05 PM

It must have been serious burns just looking at the amount of gauze used all the way up to her wrists. Not just a bandaid or a piece of ice. How does a child get her hands burned to such degree? Did she put them on both burners when the stove was on? Yikes. Looks bad. jmoThat would be very possible. When my daughter was 2 she backed up against the stove and burned her little butt on the oven. With kids..I believe anything is possible as I said. jmo

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 05:05 PM

Maybe the neighbor got the time line a bit off....maybe what they heard was Misty yelling for Haleigh.....and tossing things looking...?

Maybe?

It could be that too. It could have been Misti on the phone yelling at someone that Haleigh was missing. Just don't know.

5boxersmom

04-01-2009, 05:11 PM

That would be very possible. When my daughter was 2 she backed up against the stove and burned her little butt on the oven. With kids..I believe anything is possible as I said. jmo

When my son was little our electric was out and my parents had a kersone heater going. We walked in their house and before I call stop him he put his little hands right down on that darn heater. They blistered and I had to keep them wrapped during the day with antibiotic treatment on them. The Dr. said unwrapping them while he slept helped the air get to the burns and help them to heal. He has no scars.

I felt like a terrible mother. It happen so fast.

imo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 05:11 PM

It bears looking at, in my opinion, and asking questions. Maybe there is a satisfactory answer. Something serious happened to the child's hands, imo.I just have to believe TN knew about what ever happened to her baby hands..if anything.. I have a belief that TN would cover for Ron on many levels but I will not make myself believe it was more than an accident and TN did nothing about it. If so..then she needs to be held accountable just like the rest. jmo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 05:14 PM

Regarding that example, I saw an early report where Ron was asked if they were in the same bed and he said yes. Then both of them changed their story.IMO these FIRST stories is what threw everyone off and then the other set of stories came into play and then no one would give straight direct answers...Misty's was ..."I don't know." and Ron's was "I was at work." How far can LE get with these answers? :confused:

5boxersmom

04-01-2009, 05:15 PM

IlliniFan

04-01-2009, 05:17 PM

I wonder if there is any computer activity for the timeline? I did see a computer in the bedroom. If maybe Misty was on the computer at any time? LE didn't take the computer though. That is kinda odd unless they did take the tower and I did not notice. I might have just saw the monitor.

imo

"someone" thought the tower was gone. I don't know who, so don't hold me to that. I would be surprised if they didn't want to look at computer activity...imo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 05:18 PM

Ya know, that's run through my mind a few times. And I've seen posts where some believe Georgia might be a good place to look. Lots of relatives in that state. mooI read that the other day and it would be worth checking out imo...Right now I am going to read June's profile..funny funny. BB

Texas48

04-01-2009, 05:19 PM

Glad to see your use of the word "IF" when calling Ron a snitch.
Finally. That's a small step in the right direction.

As for "having a blind eye" I think it is you with the problem eyesight.

I'm through with you though. Have a nice one! :seeya:

Where ya going Kathy?

Tracian

04-01-2009, 05:24 PM

Do you really think for even a second that if something negligent happen to Haleigh's hands KP or Geraldo would not have them on TV 24/7??? come on..

I agree, that would have been a lot more convincing than the play ground accident KP and Crystal tried to pass off as abuse.

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 05:24 PM

I've been to other forums, read internet news stories and try to watch all I can find on TV about this missing child and you are the first person I've ever encountered that thinks Misty's inconsistant stories are due to miscommunication and illiteracy.

LE says little about this case but they have said that her stories are inconsistant. They don't say it's due to miscommunication or illiteracy.

I don't believe Misty will ever be described at being erudite, but I think her communication skills are adequate when she wishes to cooperate. I had some concerns early on about her general capacity to relate a coherent story about any subject, but after we saw her speak in the interviews done around the time of the proposal & wedding I changed my mind.

Any LEO working in an investigative capacity is going to come across people from every walk of life, with verbal skills from the best to the worst & everything inbetween. I have confidence that somewhere in all of those 30 hours of face time with LE that Misty was interviewed by a person who has had sufficient training & ability to get a straightforward version of the events to the best of Misty's ability to recall them.

I think Misty does have the ability to tell a coherent story, but I am not at all certain that she has the desire to truthfully relate all that happened that night.

JMO

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 05:30 PM

Regarding that example, I saw an early report where Ron was asked if they were in the same bed and he said yes. Then both of them changed their story.

YES! I recall the exact same thing.

I think somebody in an investigative position probably asked how the heck an intruder could have reached across Misty's body to get a hold of Haleigh if they were sleeping in the same bed & it was at that time that the story changed to Haleigh being in a separate bed. It was plain to see in the video of the house that one end & one side of the mattress were against the walls.

JMO

odyssey

04-01-2009, 05:32 PM

I believe if Ron's alibi was solid the cops/FBI/sheriff's would have had him off the hook a long time ago. That hasen't happened tho.

I am not certain why you believe that. The police have stated they do not know what the crime is. That is the reason they have not cleared anyone. They do not know if it was a stranger abduction, a familial abduction, or who knew about it and/or planned it before during or after Haleigh disappeared .. that is why Ronald, Crystal, Chad, Marie, Teresa, the town of Satsuma, the state of Florida, etc. have not been cleared.

It has been stated that Crystal, Chad, and Marie were two hours away but that does not matter if LE do not know *what* the crime was.

It has been stated that Teresa was at home but that does not matter if LE does not know *what* the crime is/was,

It has been stated that Ronald was at work his whole shift but that does not matter if they do not know *what* the crime is/was.

Every single member of this family on all sides, in laws and out laws could have been exactly where they said they were but if LE does not know what the crime is/was it does not matter .. kidnap for hire/kidnap by proxy/abduction with knowledge after the fact of who did it / murder with knowledge after the fact of who did it/ accident with same/ "saving" her and it went bad and there was knowledge after the fact/ "hiding" her and it went bad and there was knowledge after the fact.

UNTIL they know what happened to this little girl and when it happened within the smallest window possible, only *then* can they definitively begin to clear *anyone in the family* and that means *anyone* even if you(not your personally) want to believe it or not.

It has nothing to do with his or anyone else's alibi .. it has to do with not knowing the crime itself.

JMOO though

Tracian

04-01-2009, 05:33 PM

YES! I recall the exact same thing.

I think somebody in an investigative position probably asked how the heck an intruder could have reached across Misty's body to get a hold of Haleigh if they were sleeping in the same bed & it was at that time that the story changed to Haleigh being in a separate bed. It was plain to see in the video of the house that one end & one side of the mattress were against the walls.

JMO

Well if Ron was not there, he was just repeating what Misty had said, so when she clearified her story, he again repeated what she had told him.

Like I has long said, I honestly think Misty had left the house.

Texas48

04-01-2009, 05:34 PM

I personally don't think her inconsistencies are any different then LE all the way to media. I do think LE is now at the stage going back and reading,LE original reports and the inconsistencies to the media and maybe is going, hummmmm, maybe just some minor inconsistencies. She can at least blame hers on age and lack of communication skills. MOO
You think she has a lack of communication skills? And you believe her age has something to do w/her telling "stories"..I hate to call anyone a liar..I just don't get the connection. Misty is a very experienced 17 yo. and I feel certain LE/FBI had asked her questions that she can understand..jmo

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 05:34 PM

She can at least blame hers on age and lack of communication skills.

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Holy cannoli! How old do you have to be before you can tell who was or was not in the same bed with you, if you were the last person to get in a specific bed?

rosieposett

04-01-2009, 05:36 PM

Regarding that example, I saw an early report where Ron was asked if they were in the same bed and he said yes. Then both of them changed their story.

It could be that Ron did not want CPS to know Haleigh and Jr. were sleeping in the same bed. Wasn't he cautioned about letting them sleep together? Or am I losing it? lol jmo

Texas48

04-01-2009, 05:36 PM

I wonder if there is any computer activity for the timeline? I did see a computer in the bedroom. If maybe Misty was on the computer at any time? LE didn't take the computer though. That is kinda odd unless they did take the tower and I did not notice. I might have just saw the monitor.

imoYou may be onto something mom..I have not heard anyone mention the computer.. I coulld have missed it as well.

Tracian

04-01-2009, 05:39 PM

It could be that Ron did not want CPS to know Haleigh and Jr. were sleeping in the same bed. Wasn't he cautioned about letting them sleep together? Or am I losing it? lol jmo

I have not heard that. Children that close to the same age normally is not an issue that I have every heard of.

Tracian

04-01-2009, 05:40 PM

And Ron forgave Misty for leaving his children at risk? Do you really believe Ron would be so benevolent?

moo

I am saying what I believe, not what Ron believes in regards to where Misty was or was not that night.

Tracian

04-01-2009, 05:42 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Chad G. had a 2 year restraining order (just recently dropped) against him pertaining to violence with/against children.

That is a fact.

Do I question his involvement in Haleigh's disappearance?
You betcha'.

Actually I think my last statement about Chad G. was wondering if his shoes squeaked.

A far cry from calling someone 'a snitch' repeatedly without a shread of proof.

Chad is one person I have not seen much on in regards to this case. How long has he been with Crystal? Are they close in age?

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 05:44 PM

IIRC he was cautioned about them sleeping in the same bed due to their ages

We do not know that for certain, but I believe it is a definite possibility.

DCF, by law, cannot divulge to any old person the specifics of a case - those details are protected. So we can only guess at what discussions Ron may or may not have had with DCF. I think it is reasonable to believe that he was told by DCF that the children needed to have their own bedrooms, but we don't have verification just yet.

JMO

odyssey

04-01-2009, 05:46 PM

Chad is one person I have not seen much on in regards to this case. How long has he been with Crystal? Are they close in age?

He is 29. They have a daughter who will be one two weeks from today. I do not know for certain how long they have been together.

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 05:50 PM

Chad is one person I have not seen much on in regards to this case. How long has he been with Crystal? Are they close in age?

This is my opinion on Chad......I think that Crystal's attorney has told her to keep Chad out of the picture completely due his past with some issues and it was a smart move IMO..........

Mimi428

04-01-2009, 05:51 PM

What do you think or wanting to accomplish by posting such????

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I can't answer for Adalena, but I can tell you that this is a message board & we are allowed to post our opinions as long as we abide by the TOS. It seems to me that Adalena was doing just that - posting her opinions. I don't think there was anything in that post that violated the TOS, but that is for the moderator to decide, not us.

JMO

Tracian

04-01-2009, 05:53 PM

We do not know that for certain, but I believe it is a definite possibility.

DCF, by law, cannot divulge to any old person the specifics of a case - those details are protected. So we can only guess at what discussions Ron may or may not have had with DCF. I think it is reasonable to believe that he was told by DCF that the children needed to have their own bedrooms, but we don't have verification just yet.

JMO

I did a search, and snopes is the only thing that I found with anything in this regard. It seems that this could be in regards to Foster Children, at least that was the consensus was over at snopes.

odyssey

04-01-2009, 05:55 PM

Most likely worrying about her two children being under the care of a 16 soon to be 17 yr old 24//7. That would stress any mom out, especially when she knew Ron was not there nights.

moo

Hope it's worth it to ya.
:seeya:

forensicfan

04-01-2009, 06:34 PM

This case will break when someone at Rons work comes clean about Rons wear abouts, I think thats where it lays. Does anyone know how long Ron has been at his work, and when he worked before?

jmo

Good Grief! Is EVERYONE in the world so afraid of Ron that they'd lie to police to protect him? what makes you think his employer is lying for him and needs to "come clean? This is getting ridiculous!

heidi

04-01-2009, 06:35 PM

I think it's possible LE has always suspected Ron and still do. I'd rather wait to hear it from LE that Ron was at work for his whole shift. they said he was at work. I never heard them add the whole shift. People on message boards have added those words, not LE.

They're saying Misty is key and her stories are full of inconsistencies. I believe them.

Of course this crime has to do with the missing child's caregivers alibi's. LE identified and named this crime within the first 24 hrs after it was reported via 911. The crime is abduction. LE's announced that early on to the public.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18690324/detail.html

Detective: Haleigh's Disappearance Considered Abduction

Look at the date; Feb 11. The following day after the crime was reported. LE calling this crime child abduction. FBI can't be involved until it is ruled that and FBI was involved from the get go specifically because it was ruled child abduction. That's a part of their job automatically. It's on FBI's web site; fbi.gov

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19059376/detail.html
Not sounding good.:unsure::unsure::unsure:

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 06:41 PM

Look, I am scared of anyone who is under the influence shooting guns at mirrors.

If you could provide a link for this, I have looked for this for hours and cant find this anywhere...Thanks in advance.....

starcat29

04-01-2009, 06:42 PM

u all see this

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Deputies-Admit-Haleigh-Cummings-Tips-Aren-t/u1ZqxxQDHUie2gIYPEXYHw.cspx

forensicfan

04-01-2009, 06:51 PM

Look, I am scared of anyone who is under the influence shooting guns at mirrors.

Where is it reported he was drunk and shooting at mirrors? I haven't heard this.

I want to know more about the guy in Tennessee with a red Rav4 with Florida plates at a restaurant with a young girl resembling Haleigh who appeared to be trying to shield her from view. The one that alerted customers and/or staff enough to report it.

I know they interviewed the cousin(s) but have they determined for fact that the cousin and this person seen at the restaurant are the same?? I haven't heard any confirmation of that as of yet.

playnice

04-01-2009, 06:53 PM

I did. I just posted it in the Links thread. Star, I don't blame Marie for being upset. I see LE slowing dropping the ball on this. What a shame.

moo

Not defending Misti at all but LE waiting a month to remove the door, messing up DNA all dont look good for this case. I do hope they arent using Misti to blame for their incompetence.

forensicfan

04-01-2009, 06:57 PM

If thats the case, are you afraid of walking out your door, driving in your car, going to the mall???

Oh yea, Elvis shot out his tv, haven't heard he killed anyone.

:thumbsup:

bama__angel

04-01-2009, 07:00 PM

You want a link to things i am scared of, I am not understanding your demand?

Wasnt a demand....You have posted several times that Ron was drunk and shooting a gun at mirrors.......I simply asked for the link to the article that you got your information........

If you dont have a link...I will assume that it is information you read on another message board or blog.....

forensicfan

04-01-2009, 07:01 PM

Not defending Misti at all but LE waiting a month to remove the door, messing up DNA all dont look good for this case. I do hope they arent using Misti to blame for their incompetence.

I think they are just at a standstill and trying to sort fact from fiction in the tips they are receiving. She was the last person to see Haleigh and I think they are hoping to get something else to go on by repeatedly questioning her. I'm still not sure what to think where Misti is concerned as far as what she knows but I don't think she outright murdered Haleigh or conspired with anyone to have her taken away. I also do not believe Ron killed his daughter.

Owlface

04-01-2009, 07:05 PM

YES! I recall the exact same thing.

I think somebody in an investigative position probably asked how the heck an intruder could have reached across Misty's body to get a hold of Haleigh if they were sleeping in the same bed & it was at that time that the story changed to Haleigh being in a separate bed. It was plain to see in the video of the house that one end & one side of the mattress were against the walls.

JMO

I totally agree with this analysis.

It doesn't take intelligence or great conversational skills to be able to relate where one was sleeping or to give factual information about what one did for 5 - 10 hours. If a person is lying, though, that would explain inconsistencies a lot better than bad verbal skills.