Monday - March 30, 2009 Haleigh Cummings Daily Thread

[joyzzce]

Good Morning

Interesting to know that TN works as a dispatcher for the Sheriff's Office. Does she work there still?

[joyzzce]

Do we have information already on the phone records of Ron, Misty, Crystal , Greg , Cousin Joe or any party involved on this case?

I was browsing for reports on this earlier and ived seen from one website that there are "reports" of night calls between Ron and Misty before Ron arrived the house? Can someone please verify these informations...

Can they pull some phone records and check the signals?

[Money Girl]

http://www.artharris.com/

[joyzzce]

Why LE arent revealing much informations on the Haleigh's case unlike Caylee case? LE released too much info on Caylee's case while I cant see them on Haleigh's case? On Caylee's case - LE asked the public for information of the Zanny...Is it because LE is treating Haleigh's case as an abduction while they knew from the beginning that Caylee's case a homicide or murder?

[TobyWong]

Why LE arent revealing much informations on the Haleigh's case unlike Caylee case? LE released too much info on Caylee's case while I cant see them on Haleigh's case? On Caylee's case - LE asked the public for information of the Zanny...Is it because LE is treating Haleigh's case as an abduction while they knew from the beginning that Caylee's case a homicide or murder?
Good morning. you would think if LE was looking for an abductor as well as an abducted child, they would put some info re: them & who/what to BOLO for. You'd think.???
It makes me so sad every day i come here and theres nothing! No 20 pages, no new info or old for that matter. No searches. What I would'nt give for a page of cell phone pings!!
Find Haleigh!

[iluvspring]

I've been a member of IS since way back in the days of CTV (new nic), but admittedly am mostly a lurker and haven't posted much here. Just want to say how frustrating this case has been for me and I'm sure for everyone else here. IMHO, LE is either very crafty, waiting to make sure they have a solid case or something is rotten in Denmark. I really can't quite get a feel for just what it is. I feel heart sorry for TN as I know she is so heartbroken over her baby having gone missing. I'm curious about her incident with Cobra and the underground hog pen incident. Does anyone know what that was really all about? Also, why would LE not want anyone searching for Haleigh? I've heard many things about how LE isn't exactly kosher in FL and wonder what they do or don't have in regards to this case. Have been reading that white boy Gregg has either gone missing or that he is hiding out at his mother's, that he took a lie detector test and supposedly passed and has been cleared as a suspect. WTH? I thought no one has been cleared and they never tell whether or not a person has passed or failed. I wish they were giving out more information, but if they aren't because it will affect the outcome I guess I can understand. I hope the prognosticators are correct and something will break later this week. Thanks for your patience with my rant.

[joyzzce]

Good morning. you would think if LE was looking for an abductor as well as an abducted child, they would put some info re: them & who/what to BOLO for. You'd think.???
It makes me so sad every day i come here and theres nothing! No 20 pages, no new info or old for that matter. No searches. What I would'nt give for a page of cell phone pings!!
Find Haleigh!

Yes a little frustrations but then again we dont know what they are doing on the side to find Haleigh. And yes, if they are looking for an abductor - they would have to ask the public for more help before they clear anyone. Ived seen on one media article that FBI or LE thinks Cousin Joe isnt involve - but then again - we didnt really know who is this Cousin Joe - we know him from the Mouth of the Croslin's family.

Time is very important in any abduction case but on this case - I dont know...I would love to read cellphone pings , records...

[joyzzce]

Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office says they've been following up on tips and conducting interviews. "Right now as far as an actual physical search there are none scheduled. None of the tips we've received have indicated that there are areas that need to be searched any further," says Greenwood.
http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/03/no-searches-planned-for-haleig.html


So are they saying that they are waiting for the informations to come to them? And if there is none then they wouldnt do any searches?

[rosieposett]

Good morning. you would think if LE was looking for an abductor as well as an abducted child, they would put some info re: them & who/what to BOLO for. You'd think.???
It makes me so sad every day i come here and theres nothing! No 20 pages, no new info or old for that matter. No searches. What I would'nt give for a page of cell phone pings!!
Find Haleigh!

I am with you Toby regarding the cell pings and any other helpful info. But because LE released that info on Casey Anthony doesn't mean they can in this case. If they even have anything to release. Sure hope they do.

I also agree there is no "be on the lookout" for anyone other than Haleigh herself. To come here day in and day out without any new information is frustrating.

Come Home Haleigh.

[joyzzce]

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Interesting to know that TN works as a dispatcher for the Sheriff's Office. Does she work there still?


FYI : TN doesnt work for Putnam Sheriff's office - She works for Alachua County Sheriff's Office.

[PLstudent]

Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office says they've been following up on tips and conducting interviews. "Right now as far as an actual physical search there are none scheduled. None of the tips we've received have indicated that there are areas that need to be searched any further," says Greenwood.
http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/03/no-searches-planned-for-haleig.html


So are they saying that they are waiting for the informations to come to them? And if there is none then they wouldnt do any searches?

Sounds like it.

[PLstudent]

Just Us hit the nail on the head with that awful description.

It also reinforces the reason LE asks the family NOT to search.

Can you imagine any of Haleigh's family members stumbling on a patch of golden curls.....connected to the rest of her remains after 6 Weeks?

ITA. Also the family cant win. If they would find the body there would be people accusing them of leading right to the body.

I do wish there was some organized community searches.

[crymeariver2006]

I am with you Toby regarding the cell pings and any other helpful info. But because LE released that info on Casey Anthony doesn't mean they can in this case. If they even have anything to release. Sure hope they do.

I also agree there is no "be on the lookout" for anyone other than Haleigh herself. To come here day in and day out without any new information is frustrating.

Come Home Haleigh.

Only because there was an arrest of Casey Anthony (the next day after Caylee was reported missing) did we get info on her. And it didn't come all at once, just drips and drabs until the documents really started flowing (as I recall).

But yes, it's frustrating that LE is not even saying they've got their eye on someone. Take Couey (please), LE came out and said that they had some information and had their eye on someone. Well not really but it did give Couey's family the scare to put him on a bus and once they did that, they were able to track him down. But, Couey had also been bragging to one of his "friends" about the little girl he had been having sex with (and yes that made me sick to type) which was one of the tips that led them to Couey to start with.

But so far in this case, we got nada.

JMO

[FrankieBones1]

Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office says they've been following up on tips and conducting interviews. "Right now as far as an actual physical search there are none scheduled. None of the tips we've received have indicated that there are areas that need to be searched any further," says Greenwood.
http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/03/no-searches-planned-for-haleig.html


So are they saying that they are waiting for the informations to come to them? And if there is none then they wouldnt do any searches?Regardless of tips or lack of tips, I'd be searching every body of water within a few miles of the trailer park and search every septic tank and home within a quarter mile radius.

[rosieposett]

Only because there was an arrest of Casey Anthony (the next day after Caylee was reported missing) did we get info on her. And it didn't come all at once, just drips and drabs until the documents really started flowing (as I recall).

But yes, it's frustrating that LE is not even saying they've got their eye on someone. Take Couey (please), LE came out and said that they had some information and had their eye on someone. Well not really but it did give Couey's family the scare to put him on a bus and once they did that, they were able to track him down. But, Couey had also been bragging to one of his "friends" about the little girl he had been having sex with (and yes that made me sick to type) which was one of the tips that led them to Couey to start with.

But so far in this case, we got nada.

JMO

Morning Cry. Yes, after Casey was arrested it allowed the Sunshine law to come in to effect. That's not the case here because there has been no arrest. But I feel confident there will be an arrest, just don't know when. Hope it is soon and not years down the road. Good to see you.

[kitty1182]

Good morning...
It's time for some news...:mad:

[i_pickle]

I never understood why LE stopped the searches either. Seems to me no matter who they might suspect or perhaps no one right now, they'd want to find the missing child. They announced they were haulting searches the day they said they learned Misty had given them the wrong information about what Haleigh was wearing when she went missing. A reporter asked them how much information they have and they said "..a lot.." but they weren't making it public for the integrity of the investigation. They also said they were taking the investigation in a different direction at that time.

One of the more recently posted links in the links thread talks about how LE scrutinizes 911 calls. I found that interesting and wondered if any of you read it.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_6_77/ai_n27504386

Statement Analysis of 911 Calls


It says sometimes a guilty party makes the 911 call. That people trying to convince LE of a deceptive story give out more information than necessary and goes off-track so to speak. Plus a whole lot of other telling factors that verified how the 911 call struck me. I thought both Ron & Misty knew too much. Misty fell into what LE calls the "huh?" factor. She didn't know basic things about the child's description while Ron knew everything while stressing he just got home from work. Ron wouldn't focus on answering basic questions such as Haleigh's date of birth, yet rambled about how he was going to kill somebody. FBI doesn't take that as an upset parent, but rather someone trying to sideroad their less than truthful story. 97% of those studied that were guilty did this. In fact Ron said; "..f%#$-her birthday.." He resisted answering a simple question. Also people who were rude and blaming others turned out to be guilty parties majority of the time. Ron blamed Misty for his dtr being stolen. He knew that it was one male perp who stole his dtr. Things he couldn't have possibly known (if he was claiming to be truthful). Anyway the analysis is how the call struck me when I first heard it. ie; that he worked to deflect suspicion from himself and had a story scripted that he was peddaling.

I'm sure all these things haven't escaped LE/FBI.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/2/12/haleigh_911_transcript_part_2.html


What do you all think of the Analysis of 911 calls article? I found it interesting. Especially given the lack of information in this case.Good morning Adalena. I found Ron's behavior suspicious from the moment I heard the 911 call. The link to the article you posted was very insightful, imo, and confirmed and articulated my initial instincts about his behavior. Distraught is distraught, it is not anger. Anger comes later, not right off the bat as it seemed to with Ron. I felt from the very beginning that he knew either what happened and why, or he was play acting. Misty appeared to me to be more terrified of Ron than she did that Haleigh was missing or any possible implications of guilt to LE.

[i_pickle]

Thanks for sharing your opinion on that. To me the crime seemed staged but most of all I thought it interesting that the article confirmed my first thoughts. That Ron gave out too much info that wasen't pertinent yet failed to answer simple questions, kept blaming others even though he couldn't have known and kept repeating things that didn't matter such as "..I'll kill him..". ETA: Yes, like he was play acting.

Another person in the forum (sorry I forget who) said maybe Ron harmed Haleigh and Misty's helping cover up for him. That's what it's all sounded suspiciously like to me from the time I heard the 911 call. Altho I haven't ruled out that it may be wrong and that nothing would surprise me. It's that when I read that article it REALLY rang true.

Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it and see I'm not alone. This poor little girl is missing now for 6 weeks. It's so heartwrenching and I'm sorry to say I'm not very hopeful. I don't know why. This just doesn't seem like it's going to have an Elizabeth Smart ending.Yes, a lot of information that wasn't pertinent and got angry at being asked things that were obvious, such as her description, including her DOB. Too much anger and machismo to be spontaneous and believable, imo.

Thanks again for posting the article and it's good to see you, as always.

Like you, I'm fearing the worst for Haleigh. I hope I'm wrong.

[i_pickle]

IMO I think LE thinks that someone in that household knows what happened. I think TN thinks that as well and took Cobra on that wild goose chase to take the heat off of RC and Misty. I always wondered why she didn't call LE But I think she knows where they are headed. I do feel for her, she like Cindy Anthony is facing losing a GD and now possibly have her son linked somehow to this. I do pray that this child is still alive. IMOI feel for her too but also feel that she enables Ron and probably has all of his life. Ditto for ggm Sykes.

I feel that she would do anything to protect him, including lie and cover up. It's a horrible position to be in and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Imo, it's possible to feel both compassion and suspicion that a person is not being entirely forthcoming about things. That, in a nutshell is how I feel about TN.

[Owlface]

It says sometimes a guilty party makes the 911 call. That people trying to convince LE of a deceptive story give out more information than necessary and goes off-track so to speak. Plus a whole lot of other telling factors that verified how the 911 call struck me. I thought both Ron & Misty knew too much. Misty fell into what LE calls the "huh?" factor. She didn't know basic things about the child's description while Ron knew everything while stressing he just got home from work. Ron wouldn't focus on answering basic questions such as Haleigh's date of birth, yet rambled about how he was going to kill somebody. FBI doesn't take that as an upset parent, but rather someone trying to sideroad their less than truthful story. 97% of those studied that were guilty did this. In fact Ron said; "..f%#$-her birthday.." He resisted answering a simple question. Also people who were rude and blaming others turned out to be guilty parties majority of the time. Ron blamed Misty for his dtr being stolen. He knew that it was one male perp who stole his dtr. Things he couldn't have possibly known (if he was claiming to be truthful). Anyway the analysis is how the call struck me when I first heard it. ie; that he worked to deflect suspicion from himself and had a story scripted that he was peddaling.

I'm sure all these things haven't escaped LE/FBI.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/2/12/haleigh_911_transcript_part_2.html


What do you all think of the Analysis of 911 calls article? I found it interesting. Especially given the lack of information in this case.

Thanks for this very interesting discussion. I've thought all along there was something hinky with the 911 call, and Ron "knowing" what had happened 2 minutes afte he got home from work. I also think he was confronted about how he knew it alland that's why he started saying "I don't know, I was at work" even in relation to questions where it wasn't relevant - did he think Jr. was telling the truth about the man in black.

I have never agree with posters who dismiss what Ron said in the 911 call as him just being upset. It was an "excited utterance" and those kinds of statements are thought of as being very truthful.

[Pat]

Bringing over teresa's post from last night...

It is her notes from the radio show yesterday.

TJ Hart's blog radio interview today summary, accurate I hope.

-Kim P has 8 investigators, they know about Greg, too
-Greg seen by Cobra Thurs, that freaked Greg out, Greg has been at his Mom's hiding out
-LE giving out no info [no kidding]
-Kim P on his show tomorrow at 11
-250 SO's in Putnam Co [wow]
-sees very little activity at HaleighBug headquarters
-thinks LE is very close to an announcement - thinks
4 or 5 days [yikes]
[please not Thurs, I have a long appt!]
-says Wed or Thurs[shoot]--heat if not something a little louder
-Cobra warned off by LE along with Crystal's dad, possible arrest for
tampering with evidence
-child abuse, RC lawyers shot that down with pictures, DCF
investigating now, have in past and found no evidence. CS has
been caught by LE in falsehood, car thing, before
-TJ also wonders about the informant deal with Ron-is this payback?
-wonders if it is pills (oxy, etc)
-male blogger [?] doesn't think drugs-not enough upside to risk it
-how are they paying 8 investigators/lawyers-Kim P has lots of $'s and
is free but not sure what she is entitled to after the fact [foundation $
I guess]
-caller asks about nebulizer missing-TJ has heard that rumor too along
with the custody deal, doesn't think they are smart enough to pull off
-caller asked about TES leaving so fast-TJ says because they changed
it to an "abduction" case
-Misty's demeanor-very tired, not defiant, I'm not a Dr [hinting
pregnant?]
-TJ won't give opinion on what happened..he's a reporter only
-can't confirm Geraldo $'s it's too sticky
-[ugh if I heard right and I listened three times]TJ "taking"? a lead on
is that she may have been sold-the money aspect in play here

Here is the link-right now it is the second down on the left "featured". A couple of my notes are out of order from typing and writing notes at the same time. My comments are in [ ].

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/...ent/_/_/_/_/0/[/I]
Anyone, feel free to copy over to new thread if you want because I won't be here in the morning if anyone wants to discuss this. Tara, 51viking, others, you may be right that this is the week.

Only new info to us is the 8 investigators and announcement of "heat" or "something louder" this week, I think. I wonder if they do the child negligence thing on Misty to put "heat" on her?

I'm just going to wait until the end of the week to see what happens. Then maybe we will all have something to discuss that isn't just speculation.

I would like to think Haleigh is alive, but after all this time, unless she was taken by some well-meaning extended family member/friend involved in this battle between the families, I don't think she is.

[i_pickle]

Then who would he have been referring to when he said they had better people to call?That was another bizarre statement that doesn't fit the distraught father scenario, imo.

After saying that he hung up on the 911 operator. :confused: I wonder who he called, if anyone.

She (911) called back and he hung up on her again! Why was he so angry and defensive at the people he had Misty call for help? (hypothetical question)

[i_pickle]

Oh my goodness you are NOT alone in your thoughts/opinions. I never saw Ron as an upset parent. Not even from the very beginning. There was/is something very telling in his actions/statements that make people go..HUH? There was a very interesting article/blog I read about Ron, Misty and Jr. at a Longhorn steakhouse. There was a customer sitting back to back w/Ron and was over hearing the conversation and it was a...can i say..Bomshell. After reading it if I had been that customer I would have went straight to Child Services. But thats just me. ALL is MOOf course I'm curious about what the customer at Longhorn said. Can you pm me where you read it, if you don't feel comfortable posting it? TIA

I never saw him as an upset parent either. Not in the beginning and not now.

[i_pickle]

So, basically Haleigh was only at her happiest the last two months of her life, she only knew Misty for 2 months, this is just insane. If Misty is top notch compared to all Rons other teenage girlfriends, I shudder to think what Haleigh was exposed to.Me too. Again, she is covering up for Ron's bad choices, imo.

When Ron was awarded custody he told DCF that the children were being cared for by his mother while he was at work. Would DCF have awarded custody if they knew he had a then 16 yr old watching them 24/7 instead of his mother? I certainly hope not.

Imo, this is why TN is championing Misty right now. Imo, it stems from guilt that she didn't step in to what she probably knew was a recipe for disaster.

[psbperu]

Bringing over teresa's post from last night...

It is her notes from the radio show yesterday.



I'm just going to wait until the end of the week to see what happens. Then maybe we will all have something to discuss that isn't just speculation.

I would like to think Haleigh is alive, but after all this time, unless she was taken by some well-meaning extended family member/friend involved in this battle between the families, I don't think she is.

Speculation is all posters have left...so many scenarios have been laid out by posters due to rumor.

Children have been abducted out of their homes with parents present so that can happen as can some of the other pictures painted with family or friends or someone in the neighborhood being involved.

Have my doubts too about Haleigh being alive..no sightings & apparently no substantive clues.

Hope something breaks.

[suzanne]

Hi
May I please ask is LE or any one doing any more ground searches with dogs in especially in areas that have not been checked to find Haleigh?They really need to be doing this.Haleigh really might be out there.Does any one know more about the sheet with rust/blood found on it and or where it was found?

[i_pickle]

Oh, IMO it was all about the sex.............can I say that word here?LOL, :laugh:

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh, IMO it was all about the sex.............can I say that word here?

If you couldn't it might come up like this...

***

So I would say you can post the word all you want nan, it's just a matter of the wild speculating that seems to be problematic IMOO. :sneaky:

[i_pickle]

Hi
May I please ask is LE or any one doing any more ground searches with dogs in especially in area that have not been checked to find Haleigh?They really need to be doing this.Haleigh really might be out there.Does any one know more about the sheet with rust/blood found on it and or where it was found?I haven't heard anymore about it since it was first brought up.

[i_pickle]

If you couldn't it might come up like this...

***

So I would say you can post the word all you want nan, it's just a matter of the wild speculating that seems to be problematic IMOO. :sneaky:We're all speculating and "wild" is strictly a matter of opinion.

[bama__angel]

LOL i am glad you said it I was afraid to. That and a babysitter. I still think she is the key to this...RC has always had a temper but I think when he got away from his mother his lifestyle when to a lower level. When I hear about the night he was drinking and shooting at mirrors and they took the gun away from him. I think maybe the alcohol and drug use escalated and that was probably the recipe for disaster. But I still keep going back to GGM going there and both children were there and he was at work. I think that it is something that happened when only Misty was or wasn't there. IMO


I agree with you.....I dont think Ron was involved at all........Something happened at their home when he was at work on Feb 9......Either Misty was completely" knocked out cold" asleep or she left the children alone long enough for someone to enter their home and take Haleigh...and I dont think the door was locked......I still believe that whoever took Haleigh knew that family and waited for the right time....IMO

[suzanne]

I haven't heard anymore about it since it was first brought up.

Ok,Thank you for answering me.

[suzanne]

I agree with you.....I dont think Ron was involved at all........Something happened at their home when he was at work on Feb 9......Either Misty was completely" knocked out cold" asleep or she left the children alone long enough for someone to enter their home and take Haleigh...and I dont think the door was locked......I still believe that whoever took Haleigh knew that family and waited for the right time....IMO

I agree or she let some one in the house that night.

[joyzzce]

Regardless of tips or lack of tips, I'd be searching every body of water within a few miles of the trailer park and search every septic tank and home within a quarter mile radius.


ITA... Ive'd also read in the article that LE asked Texas Equusearch to pull out their searches. I wonder why LE did this.

Among those pulling out of the search for Haleigh is Texas EquuSearch, a search and recovery group from Dickinson, Texas, who was recently involved in the search for Casey Anthony's missing daughter, Caylee Anthony.

According to Mike Ray, a Texas EquuSearch search coordinator who was on the ground during the search effort, the Putnam County Sheriff's Office asked Texas EquuSearch to pull out of the search yesterday. Ray would not discuss the specifics of that request; however he did say they had conducted a thorough search of the area.

[heidi]

:scared:I've been a member of IS since way back in the days of CTV (new nic), but admittedly am mostly a lurker and haven't posted much here. Just want to say how frustrating this case has been for me and I'm sure for everyone else here. IMHO, LE is either very crafty, waiting to make sure they have a solid case or something is rotten in Denmark. I really can't quite get a feel for just what it is. I feel heart sorry for TN as I know she is so heartbroken over her baby having gone missing. I'm curious about her incident with Cobra and the underground hog pen incident. Does anyone know what that was really all about? Also, why would LE not want anyone searching for Haleigh? I've heard many things about how LE isn't exactly kosher in FL and wonder what they do or don't have in regards to this case. Have been reading that white boy Gregg has either gone missing or that he is hiding out at his mother's, that he took a lie detector test and supposedly passed and has been cleared as a suspect. WTH? I thought no one has been cleared and they never tell whether or not a person has passed or failed. I wish they were giving out more information, but if they aren't because it will affect the outcome I guess I can understand. I hope the prognosticators are correct and something will break later this week. Thanks for your patience with my rant.
:scared:I have become so emotionally involved in this case I am unable to rest.Too many folks with criminal records where nothing ever came of the charges.I am fearful LE is either afraid of the whole bunch or something .If they would have a press conference to state they are even STILL on the case it would be some comfort.WTH MiSTY walks out of a questioning because they were rude.I doubt most of us could get by with this.She reallys needs to be arrested for obstruction.

[heidi]

:rolleyes:Of course I'm curious about what the customer at Longhorn said. Can you pm me where you read it, if you don't feel comfortable posting it? TIA

I never saw him as an upset parent either. Not in the beginning and not now.

I read somewhere this missing Chad had worked at longhorn,is there any connection?

[kkmiausa]

Regardless of tips or lack of tips, I'd be searching every body of water within a few miles of the trailer park and search every septic tank and home within a quarter mile radius.

My thoughts exactly!!!!

[Santa'sMom]

Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office says they've been following up on tips and conducting interviews. "Right now as far as an actual physical search there are none scheduled. None of the tips we've received have indicated that there are areas that need to be searched any further," says Greenwood.
http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/03/no-searches-planned-for-haleig.html


So are they saying that they are waiting for the informations to come to them? And if there is none then they wouldnt do any searches?

Maybe they've had tips that Haleigh is alive and being hidden somewhere by one of her parents and they are waiting for the guilty party to mess up and out his/herself. Maybe the tips lead to Haleigh being dead already and, again, they are waiting for a foul-up. Then again, maybe I am completely off-base. I think LE knows a lot more than they are letting on. People in that area know everybody else's business, especially if you happen to be related to a lot of the population. And if one or more of the parties is involved in drugs, you can bet there are a whole bunch of people who know more about their business than should be humanly possible. They have already searched the areas near her home. I am sure that as new tips come in they will search those areas too. There is a lot of water and woods in that area. You could have a thousand people searching everyday for a solid month and still miss the body of a child. moo

[i_pickle]

:rolleyes:

I read somewhere this missing Chad had worked at longhorn,is there any connection?I just spent a lot of time wading through the Chad Reynolds/Longhorn stuff (he worked there when he disappeared in early Feb) and finally found something about the customer who was sitting back to back with Ron at Longhorn. No, it isn't related.

I'll pm you what I found if you want. I'm not going to post it because it comes from a blog and it's hearsay.

Is there a point to the eye-rolling?

[CANDYKISSES]

:scared:
:scared:I have become so emotionally involved in this case I am unable to rest.Too many folks with criminal records where nothing ever came of the charges.I am fearful LE is either afraid of the whole bunch or something .If they would have a press conference to state they are even STILL on the case it would be some comfort.WTH MiSTY walks out of a questioning because they were rude.I doubt most of us could get by with this.She reallys needs to be arrested for obstruction.

Heidi, so sorry to hear this has gotten you so emotionally involved that you can't rest. How sad. :sad:

Do you really think all of LE is afraid of the Cummings, Griffis, Sheffield families?

I think IF LE itself was afraid of this group, they could always call upon someone like the NATIONAL GUARD. I'm surprised at what you're thinking but respect your fears, but logically that would mean that all of LE in Satsuma are unable to do their jobs if I am reading you correctly. JMO.

Hope you are able to rest soon.

[bama__angel]

Its a good thought except who would have know when the time was right? Who would have know Misty would not be there? Someone that Ron and Misty both knew? I don't know.



Someone who knows the family......This person could possibly have been watching Haleigh for a long time(as much as this thought sickens me). Ron had only been working the 4:00PM to 3:00AM shift for about 5 weeks IIRC......What if this person had been watching and waiting patiently and then the perfect time came.....If something like this did happen, this person is very arrogant and bold and very sure of himself...IMO

[aproudmom]

Good morning. you would think if LE was looking for an abductor as well as an abducted child, they would put some info re: them & who/what to BOLO for. You'd think.???
It makes me so sad every day i come here and theres nothing! No 20 pages, no new info or old for that matter. No searches. What I would'nt give for a page of cell phone pings!!
Find Haleigh!

Thank you I have said the same thing and really got shot down on the cell pings which was not worth my time trying to get some one to see my point being it shows were someone was or was not. great post:thumbup:

LE does not have to tell the public anything I am aware of that but what if she is in another state what tips are being called in we do not know any of that which is sad she could be out there remember the little girl that was saved by a waitress after her whole family was killed Shasta I think is her name....there is hope but with out media and public there is no hope and if they know she is gone I think they would have arrested someone by now...jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

where are you getting this info? TIA

I am waiting for something credible on that too FA. IT seems that even Kim can't stick with something as a fact IMO. Every time someone tries to pin her down she starts with the back-tracking from my POV.

I love the new glorified phrase of "criminal element" that's being used this week. I guess that's a little change up iykwim...

Did the local fox station ever admit to misquoting Kim? :wink: jmo

[aproudmom]

I just spent a lot of time wading through the Chad Reynolds/Longhorn stuff (he worked there when he disappeared in early Feb) and finally found something about the customer who was sitting back to back with Ron at Longhorn. No, it isn't related.

I'll pm you what I found if you want. I'm not going to post it because it comes from a blog and it's hearsay.

Is there a point to the eye-rolling?

Has he ever been found i_pickle I have not heard yes or no only that they want to find him. TIA if you know...glad to see your doing some PI work..lol..some of you amaze me what you can find on here. jmo

[aproudmom]

I am waiting for something credible on that too FA. IT seems that even Kim can't stick with something as a fact IMO. Every time someone tries to pin her down she starts with the back-tracking from my POV.

I love the new glorified phrase of "criminal element" that's being used this week. I guess that's a little change up iykwim...

Did the local fox station ever admit to misquoting Kim? :wink: jmo

I am sorry that women needs a lawyer herself or needs to keep her mouth zipped she is making her client look real bad IMO has anyone heard if RC lawyers has said anything about all this stuff that Cobra has stated such as misty not being there or being with someone else that night. TIA if anyone knows I would think he RC would want to set the record straight unless it is true or he is just not sure.

[heidi]

:rose:I just spent a lot of time wading through the Chad Reynolds/Longhorn stuff (he worked there when he disappeared in early Feb) and finally found something about the customer who was sitting back to back with Ron at Longhorn. No, it isn't related.

I'll pm you what I found if you want. I'm not going to post it because it comes from a blog and it's hearsay.

Is there a point to the eye-rolling?
No,just wondering if ron going to longhorn and the fact chad had worked there i guess i thought perhaps he was there looking for info.

[aproudmom]

where are you getting this info? TIA

FA someone on here said they got the information cant remember who I am sure someone can tell you. I have not seen any link to the story but I also read that on here. Misty had took the gun and hid it in the ditch cause RC was drinking and shooting it I am sure if you go back a few threads you will see it...so I don't know that it is true or not...

[aproudmom]

O.K. gonna throw this out there and see what happens. Jr also said he was afraid someone would come out of the wall and take him, I believe him more than Misty here. I think Misty put them to bed at 8 o'clock and put there movie in to keep them in there because she knew she was going to have a visitor. I think she left with him at some time and returned possibly 10:30 or so. I read that LE tore down a wall near the hot water heater. did they find something in there? Strange coincedence Jr said Black man couch jumping and somebody in the wall. Now did someone sneak in there while she was gone and waited till all were asleep to take Haleigh. I really think RC knew that Misty was carrying on with WBG, not unusual for guys to let their women trade favors for drugs. I think that is what is frustrating LE this code of silence these people have. That is why they have to have enough evidence to be able to threaten her with obstruction so she will talk.IMO

They took a piece of the wall??omg I had not heard that..did hear Jr told crystal he was afraid new one for me if it was were the water heater was usually there is a part of the wall that can be removed to get to the water heater is this what they took?

[CANDYKISSES]

Criminal Element....Ya Think IMo

Maybe she's going for the mob, mafia, drug cartel MO this week. Maybe, ya never know with Kim IMO.

But has the local fox come out and apologized for misquoting her yet? :wink:

[CANDYKISSES]

I am sorry that women needs a lawyer herself or needs to keep her mouth zipped she is making her client look real bad IMO has anyone heard if RC lawyers has said anything about all this stuff that Cobra has stated such as misty not being there or being with someone else that night. TIA if anyone knows I would think he RC would want to set the record straight unless it is true or he is just not sure.

I agree APM, I would say Kim is almost a detriment for Crystal at this point. I spoke to a friend who lives in the area and she told me the headquarters has become a family dwelling by all counts in her opinion and that many question what was really going on. I think they are talking about following the money etc...

With all the flack about Florida DCF, I can certainly see why they are conducting an investigation and I would want them to myself. But the idea of Crystal and Kim cooking this up while she has been unable to meet her minimal obligations with the children is pretty far out there.

I don't know where Junior would best be served if neither biological parent is fit as he awaits the return of his sissy. :crying: It's just so terribly sad to think about him not having access to all of his family (dysfunctional or not) unless abuse is proven IMO. :crying:

[Themis]

Maybe she's going for the mob, mafia, drug cartel MO this week. Maybe, ya never know with Kim IMO.

But has the local fox come out and apologized for misquoting her yet? :wink:
IMO, if Ms. Picazio had been misquoted in such a way as to damage her reputation or her client's reputation, she would have demanded a retraction, apology or correction -- probably all three. Guess I will just wait and see.

[Themis]

I agree APM, I would say Kim is almost a detriment for Crystal at this point. I spoke to a friend who lives in the area and she told me the headquarters has become a family dwelling by all counts in her opinion and that many question what was really going on. I think they are talking about following the money etc...

With all the flack about Florida DCF, I can certainly see why they are conducting an investigation and I would want them to myself. But the idea of Crystal and Kim cooking this up while she has been unable to meet her minimal obligations with the children is pretty far out there.

I don't know where Junior would best be served if neither biological parent is fit as he awaits the return of his sissy. :crying: It's just so terribly sad to think about him not having access to all of his family (dysfunctional or not) unless abuse is proven IMO. :crying:
Should DCF look to someone other than Ronald C. or Crystal S as a custodial parent, then I would expect them to look to Haleigh and Junior's great grandmother, Annette Sykes. Mainly because of her age I expect she does not work full time. Secondly, they would look to the children's grandmother, Teresa Neves. However, she does, or at least DID, have a full time job which might preclude her from being the main responsible custodial person. She needs to return to work to earn an income. Perhaps the 2 would do shared duties of the children.

[CANDYKISSES]

Didn't anyone educate Ronald that breaking a mirror brings bad luck? I sure hope Ron wasn't doing that when his kids are there, most dads are out cleaning the garage, or the car, not standing out in the front yard shooting bullets, BULLETS, into a mirror, while totally intoxicated on whatever. Then, Misty had to hide the gun from Ron?

How does anyone think this is normal and a healthy atmosphere?

We still have nothing credible, just third person hearsay once again. How can you buy into everything these people post?

I have seen some pretty awful pranksters who claim to be this or that and interject themselves into a case of try to get to LE, only to be proven a little nutty IMOO. :sad:

[Themis]

It is sad that it has to be this way, but the first thing a family lawyer tells you in a custody fight is they are going for their throat. They will justify it with his strength is that you have no proof and his mistakes can't be proven. So they throw out as much as they can legally and let him know that people are on to him and that he is not as perfect a parent as he claims. I always thought they should be together on finding this little girl but it seems as though he will not back off on letting Crystal near the children when it is not her weekend. I think Crystal only agreed to be this aggressive because of what is happening with her daughter. IMO
I hear what you are saying, and that brings to mind a poignant photograph in the very early days of Haleigh's disappearance. It was Crystal who had come to Ronald's side and was comforting him. I think the 2 parents might have done better in working as a cohesive parental unit had it not been for Crystal Sheffield's mother, Marie Griffis.
Griffis started in very early tossing out the insults and innuendoes about Ronald -- thus exposing a small crack in a united front. Now that small crack is the size of a crater.

[aproudmom]

ITA, there is no way I would have sat back and let some 17 year old move in and take over my kids. But that's me, and you're right, she is probably regretting that decision now.

I am not so sure they could tell him he could not have a 16 or 17 year old babysitting since in the eyes of DFC that is fine for someone to watch a child. I think Crystal will regret a lot of things but not so sure she could have got them back just because he moved out of his mothers home. I even called DFC here and they said someone can have a sitter at that age and they see no problem with someone babysitting as early as 12 yrs old. Crystal said all along that the kids loved misty she hurt herself right there in getting custody she said he never hurt the kids and now her story has changed not that I do not believe her but they will go back and listen to all her interviews and listen to what she said before she got this lawyer. IMO KP is hurting crystals chances of ever getting custody she still has not even filled a motion in court the last I heard WHY? they don't have enough proof is the only reason I can see but still If it was me you can bet I would fill for a emergency custody if my child was missing and the other one was living with the same person who was there the night my baby went missing. I don't know if they do that it FL but they do here you have your lawyer go in front of a judge for a emergency change if you feel your child could be in danger well I would think any judge would consider her fears with Haleigh being missing...JMO of course

I will make it clear I am not PRO RC family or CS family Misty I do have a lot of red flags just don't know what happened that night for this child's sake I hope we know sooner than later but as the days go by it is not looking good and someone hopefully will let their guard down and talk or go somewhere and all our answers will some what be answered....

[aproudmom]

Yeah, I am sure Ron is probably out mentoring the youth, and all these people are just lying on him. I don't buy that, and I dont care if Crystal owes back child support, that does not make her any less these childrens mother, and she needs to get them away from their loose cannon father.

jmo

It may be to late for Haleigh and I do not look down on her for non child support I would have more of a problem if she never came to see her kids and from what I have heard she did every 2 weeks she is young but she is still the mother of a missing child and lives 2 hours away we don't know why RC really got custody I hate to say it but in small towns it is all about who you know in the court system I know that for a fact. RC nor Crystal were wonderful parents IMO.
But for one I dont see crystal doing anything just because she was behind in support all JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't believe that Kim Picazia is cooking anything up. Why not just take her at her word, as an officer of the court, that many people have reported abuse to her and she has directed them to DCFS to make a formal complaint?

I don't find her credible by her own remarks and denials. JMO tho. :wink:

[aproudmom]

There is nothing wrong with a 16 yr old babysitter, but this was a 16 yr old girlfriend who was concubining with their father. IMO

I am aware of that but not breaking the law in the eyes of satsuma LE they never charged him with anything. why do you think she was called the live in babysitter when this happened because no one said she was sleeping with him even though we are not stupid we all know that he did but was not charged with it so she was a sitter I guess. I agree OK I am just stating that DFC does not look at it as a danger to a child when a 16yr old is watching children..

[aproudmom]

They had been together since December. Haleigh goes missing 2 months later, so Haleigh essentially knew Misty two months, I wonder how many other potential mothers Haleigh saw and wanted to be mommy?

I think they moved in that double wide in Dec been togather since November if I recall.

[Themis]

And not to mention, Misty gloating on camera that Haleigh wanted her to be her Mom, was pretty much the biggest passive aggressive thing she could have done to Crystal, something is not right with that girl. Haleigh knew Misty for 2 months! Just sad.
If you can believe Crystal's mother, Marie Griffis, at the time she OK'd the wedding she is on camera as saying Ron and Misty had been together for 7 months and had been after Marie to sign the papers for Misty, as a minor,to get married for 5 months.

P.S. Additonally, both Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes, Ron's mother and grandmother say they thought highly of Misty and approved of the marriage.

[doctor_J]

Didn't anyone educate Ronald that breaking a mirror brings bad luck? I sure hope Ron wasn't doing that when his kids are there, most dads are out cleaning the garage, or the car, not standing out in the front yard shooting bullets, BULLETS, into a mirror, while totally intoxicated on whatever. Then, Misty had to hide the gun from Ron?

How does anyone think this is normal and a healthy atmosphere?

Arrrgggg! This "story" was posted here a few nights ago. She had read it on another board (one that allows anyone to post any kind of rumor as fact with no link, etc.) The poster on the other board had a "friend" that was in touch with the sister-in-law of JTC. He told her that story(I won't repeat it), she told the friend who told the other Poster who posted it in a unreliable board and then it was brought here by one of our posters who stated it was rumor.

Did anybody understand that? Or even care how totally unreliable it is?? :rolleyes: Lack of info from LE really leads to all this gossip being posted and taken as fact. I realize that but it's so frustrating! :cursing:

[teresa]

Yeah, I am sure Ron is probably out mentoring the youth, and all these people are just lying on him. I don't buy that, and I dont care if Crystal owes back child support, that does not make her any less these childrens mother, and she needs to get them away from their loose cannon father.

jmo

Not if she is still with her cocaine possession fiance and going to Mary Jane parties. Very much more recent activities than Ron's.

I just thought I'd sling some mud with you. These people, both Ron and Crystal need to finish growing up. Maybe GGM Sykes is the right person.

[?noanswer]

If you can believe Crystal's mother, Marie Griffis, at the time she OK'd the wedding she is on camera as saying Ron and Misty had been together for 7 months and had been after Marie to sign the papers for Misty, as a minor,to get married for 5 months.

P.S. Additonally, both Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes, Ron's mother and grandmother say they thought highly of Misty and approved of the marriage.

Did you mean to say Crystal's mother, Marie Griffis, or Misty's mom, Mrs. Cummings. JMO

[aproudmom]

Well, if it was one month earlier, that makes it 3. And if its Nov, Ron was sleeping with a 16 year old.

I agree with you ok but guess no one cared some would attack your post and ask you how do you know they were was you there. I know because I was awhile back but it does not take a rocket scientist to know they were more that a sitter. so I agree with you he should have been charged with being with other girls under the age but wasn't. So why? no one cared I guess what I ask is what kind of parents allow their child to move in with older guys misty was kicked out from what we have read so her parents didn't care crystal was young when her and RC lived together he has stated he may have another child with this Amber... no one was parenting these girls..

[CANDYKISSES]

There is nothing wrong with a 16 yr old babysitter, but this was a 16 yr old girlfriend who was concubining with their father. IMO

Respectfully submitted as this was put up before too.
grma, I don't know what you are trying to imply, but the word you are trying to use isn't a verb simply because it's not a word, and we have no idea as to whether the root word is applicable since we don't know if they were intimate prior to their marriage and if one or the other was subservient IMO.

After all, the children slept with Misty as the story goes, right? The story Misty has told is all we know and again, there is no proof of anything else at this point. We don't have to make it any worse than it sounds. It's bad enough with what we do know as fact. JMO.
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   /ˈkɒŋkyəˌbaɪn, ˈkɒn-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kong-kyuh-bahyn, kon-] Show IPA
–noun
1. a woman who cohabits with a man to whom she is not legally married, esp. one regarded as socially or sexually subservient; mistress.
2. (among polygamous peoples) a secondary wife, usually of inferior rank.
3. (esp. formerly in Muslim societies) a woman residing in a harem and kept, as by a sultan, for sexual purposes
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No results found for concubining:
Did you mean concubine (in dictionary) or Concubinial (in reference)?

http://www.dictionary.reference.com/ :wink: BTW, I agree with what you are saying about a babysitter. JMO.

[teresa]

And not to mention, Misty gloating on camera that Haleigh wanted her to be her Mom, was pretty much the biggest passive aggressive thing she could have done to Crystal, something is not right with that girl. Haleigh knew Misty for 2 months! Just sad.

5-6 months if we want to be factual here. I don't think the should have made the mommy comment either for the record.

[CANDYKISSES]

If you can believe Crystal's mother, Marie Griffis, at the time she OK'd the wedding she is on camera as saying Ron and Misty had been together for 7 months and had been after Marie to sign the papers for Misty, as a minor,to get married for 5 months.

P.S. Additonally, both Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes, Ron's mother and grandmother say they thought highly of Misty and approved of the marriage.


What would Marie Griffis be signing the paperwork for if you don't mind me asking? :confused:

[rosieposett]

Yes my hinky meter went off when I heard it too. That he had the teenage g/f call instead of himself. Then she didn't know the child's description even. She had to ask Ron who said he'd only been home 1 minute. But he knew everything about the crime and even what the crime was without looking outside. The door was secure and signs of breakin, but LE said no signs of breakin and he was gonna kill the guy but wouldn't give 911 her birth date. Misty gave them the wrong clothing description. She had to ask Ron the color of Haleigh's hair even. Kept saying '..huh?..' They were both interested in putting forth their cooked-up story and yes that's what it sounded like to me.

So many kids kidnapped from their own homes and this sounded like a copycat crime. The cinderblock was Ron's hokey proof someone stole his dtr. baloney I say. To me he seemed purposely not-helpful in the 911 call. I thought he did a really lousy job of trying to peddal his hokey story.

I think it's entirely possible he lost his temper and killed her without meaning to kill her. Then got Misty to help him cover up for himself. DOJ has statistics that 91.5% of maltreated children are harmed by a biological parent. I believe it's more likely than not this case falls into that category.

Thanks for letting me know your thoughts on the issue. At first so many people on the boards thought Ron was just an upset parent. It's kinda good to know I'm not alone in my thinking. That said, I so hope they find Haleigh.

The article surprised me. I didn't know they studied that and kept records/stats on the psychology of 911 calls. Interesting. I should have known.

Very good post, Adalena. I have thoughts along the same line as you. One of the things that got me is the Cummings family stating that Haleigh looked like a queen every morning when she left for school because Misti did her hair. WTH? With all that hair brushing and combing did Misti not notice the COLOR of the child's hair??? I have come to have doubts about almost all of the testimony from the Cummings side. They seem to inject this or that at different times as they perceive it is needed when Ron or Misti's stories are being questioned. Just does not make sense. Why keep cultivating new stories and tales? What is wrong with the original? jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

5-6 months if we want to be factual here. I don't think the should have made the mommy comment either for the record.

I don't think the comment itself was very well thought out either Teresa. That said, we have to remember when it all started RC was respectful of CS and vice versa. Then when the media started poking at Crystal wanting to know why she did not have custody of her own children it all came apart IMO.

I guess RC might have been able to make other arrangements for childcare if both parents were supporting the children IMO. :unsure: But that's just guessing and I don't know even if the other parent had been paying that it would have been used for childcare. But for those complaining about Misty babysitting, that's something else to think about IMOO. :sad:

[aproudmom]

Not if she is still with her cocaine possession fiance and going to Mary Jane parties. Very much more recent activities than Ron's.

I just thought I'd sling some mud with you. These people, both Ron and Crystal need to finish growing up. Maybe GGM Sykes is the right person.

I agree with you sad thing is so many kids are around horrible things these days and no one even knows until something happens. JMO

I was a mom at 18 single and never drank or smoked anything no way was I going to lose my child even if the father wanted nothing to do with him he is 19 now and a wonderful young man so I must have done something right I just put my children first. I do not think RC or crystal put these kids first having a job is not taking care of your kids you have to be a good role model imo

[doctor_J]

Not if she is still with her cocaine possession fiance and going to Mary Jane parties. Very much more recent activities than Ron's.

I just thought I'd sling some mud with you. These people, both Ron and Crystal need to finish growing up. Maybe GGM Sykes is the right person.

One of the facts in this case, posted by Crystal herself on a public forum, is that Crystal, the bio-mom had a Mary Jane party 11 months ago. In order to have a Mary Jane party, you have to invite Mary Jane. It is not inconsistent to infer that she inevitably had to conduct illegal business with an unsavory character who was SELLING DRUGS. Crystal C., the bio-mom was keeping company with drug-dealers and using drugs just 11 months ago. It is not unreasonable to suggest that because she was buying and using Marijuana, she MAY have been using other drugs also, because she has a history of doing so. But that is not proven. One of the few things we know its that Crystal is a liar.

We have NO proof that Ron has bought or used any drugs in 3 or 4(?) years.

[teresa]

If GGm Sykes wanted the responsiility of raising Ron's children why did he move out...How can RC have people so mesmerized that they resort to trashing a missing childs mother, I dearly hope you people do not have a daughter go through this.IMO

If the allegations are true is what I was talking about. If Jr is taken from Ron, he needs to be temporarily placed where both parents can visit him until Crystal is checked out thoroughly also. I doubt Ron has 8 (!) investigators checking out Crystal as Kim P does Ron.

I'm not mesmerized at all by Ron. I was just slinging mud with the other mud slinger. Not you grma...I like you. :smile:

[pascal]

Respectfully submitted as this was put up before too.
grma, I don't know what you are trying to imply, but the word you are trying to use isn't a verb simply because it's not a word, and we have no idea as to whether the root word is applicable since we don't know if they were intimate prior to their marriage and if one or the other was subservient IMO.

After all, the children slept with Misty as the story goes, right? The story Misty has told is all we know and again, there is no proof of anything else at this point. We don't have to make it any worse than it sounds. It's bad enough with what we do know as fact. JMO.
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   /ˈkɒŋkyəˌbaɪn, ˈkɒn-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kong-kyuh-bahyn, kon-] Show IPA
–noun
1. a woman who cohabits with a man to whom she is not legally married, esp. one regarded as socially or sexually subservient; mistress.
2. (among polygamous peoples) a secondary wife, usually of inferior rank.
3. (esp. formerly in Muslim societies) a woman residing in a harem and kept, as by a sultan, for sexual purposes
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No results found for concubining:
Did you mean concubine (in dictionary) or Concubinial (in reference)?

http://www.dictionary.reference.com/ :wink: BTW, I agree with what you are saying about a babysitter. JMO.

Well, CANDYKISSES, I totally see your point.

Given that, and in Grma's defense of "what she was trying to imply," what do we call it when Ron impregnates an underage girl and the baby exists as indication of intimate contact?

Oh, yeah, I think it's called statutory rape and it's a second degree felony.

A paternity test could wrap that up in a jiffy.

[?noanswer]

Psst...Misti's mothers last name is Croslin. :tonguewag:

Oops, my bad. JMO

[Themis]

Did you mean to say Crystal's mother, Marie Griffis, or Misty's mom, Mrs. Cummings. JMO
My apology ... I was wrong when I typed below:

If you can believe Crystal's mother, Marie Griffis, at the time she OK'd the wedding she is on camera as saying Ron and Misty had been together for 7 months and had been after Marie to sign the papers for Misty, as a minor,to get married for 5 months.

P.S. Additonally, both Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes, Ron's mother and grandmother say they thought highly of Misty and approved of the marriage.

What I should have typed was: If you can believe Misty's mother, Lisa Croslin, at the time she OK'd the wedding .....

Newspaper article, March 10, 2009:

"Outside the Putnam County Courthouse where Croslin and Cummings went Monday to get the paperwork for a marriage license, Croslin showed off her ring.

Misty said she was surprised and cried when Cummings proposed to her.

She also said it was something they had been planning for a while.

Croslin's mother, Lisa Croslin, said, "They've been trying to get me to do this for five months now. And I told them you need to wait until you're 18. But now that everything's been going on and people have been trashing them, I'm going to let them do it. I know they love her...Haleigh, and they love each other."

Thank you, ?noanswer, for catching a bad typo on my part.

[?noanswer]

My apology ... I was wrong when I typed below:

If you can believe Crystal's mother, Marie Griffis, at the time she OK'd the wedding she is on camera as saying Ron and Misty had been together for 7 months and had been after Marie to sign the papers for Misty, as a minor,to get married for 5 months.

P.S. Additonally, both Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes, Ron's mother and grandmother say they thought highly of Misty and approved of the marriage.

What I should have typed was: If you can believe Misty's mother, Lisa Croslin, at the time she OK'd the wedding .....

Newspaper article, March 10, 2009:

"Outside the Putnam County Courthouse where Croslin and Cummings went Monday to get the paperwork for a marriage license, Croslin showed off her ring.

Misty said she was surprised and cried when Cummings proposed to her.

She also said it was something they had been planning for a while.

Croslin's mother, Lisa Croslin, said, "They've been trying to get me to do this for five months now. And I told them you need to wait until you're 18. But now that everything's been going on and people have been trashing them, I'm going to let them do it. I know they love her...Haleigh, and they love each other."

Thank you, ?noanswer, for catching a bad typo on my part.

Well I didn't do so good either. I typed Cummings instead of Croslin!! JMO

[teresa]

The black eye picture, the quote she gave the media then weakly tried to deny. She was on NG with the reporter and never demanded a retraction whichh is what tells me she lied.

She was also with her client when she directly contradicted herself about whether she had seen Ron abuse the kids. Twice-no I haven't and two days later...yes I have.

[CANDYKISSES]

Well, CANDYKISSES, I totally see your point.

Given that, and in Grma's defense of "what she was trying to imply," what do we call it when Ron impregnates an underage girl and the baby exists as indication of intimate contact?

Oh, yeah, I think it's called statutory rape and it's a second degree felony.

A paternity test could wrap that up in a jiffy.

Are you implying RC should be having a paternity test? Has he been asked to by someone other than Crystal? Of course you must realize it's usually a woman who knows who the potential father of a child is, right? :confused: JMO

I have yet to see any other woman in a paternity case with RC. Do you have a link?

[aproudmom]

Very good post, Adalena. I have thoughts along the same line as you. One of the things that got me is the Cummings family stating that Haleigh looked like a queen every morning when she left for school because Misti did her hair. WTH? With all that hair brushing and combing did Misti not notice the COLOR of the child's hair??? I have come to have doubts about almost all of the testimony from the Cummings side. They seem to inject this or that at different times as they perceive it is needed when Ron or Misti's stories are being questioned. Just does not make sense. Why keep cultivating new stories and tales? What is wrong with the original? jmo


Hi Rosie
Don't forget Misty and Crystal both said they had those kids 24/7 so were was daddy at 24/7 I find it odd both state they loved those kids they had them 24/7. so when did RC take care of them? yeah he had a job I know that but more to being a parent than just having a job.

I am sick of hearing she looked like a little queen misty made her up everyday before she went to school OK and what does that have to do with her being missing sounds like they were playing and having tea parties..she was not and will never be their mother she was daddy's new g/f now his wifey JMO

[teresa]

I agree with you sad thing is so many kids are around horrible things these days and no one even knows until something happens. JMO

I was a mom at 18 single and never drank or smoked anything no way was I going to lose my child even if the father wanted nothing to do with him he is 19 now and a wonderful young man so I must have done something right I just put my children first. I do not think RC or crystal put these kids first having a job is not taking care of your kids you have to be a good role model imo

I know aproudmom and it is sad. I unfortunately had a similar situation in my family (niece) with an 18 year old mom (17 when pregnant). She lost custody of her baby, (the very apple of my eye and now 6) to the even worse father's grandmother for a while. It took three battles in court for us to get her back. The niece got a kick in the butt over that and is now a Jr in college headed to med school in two years.

[aproudmom]

Are you implying RC should be having a paternity test? Has he been asked to by someone other than Crystal? Of course you must realize it's usually a woman who knows who the potential father of a child is, right? :confused: JMO

I have yet to see any other woman in a paternity case with RC. Do you have a link?

RC said he may have another child if he loved 2 why not find out if the other one is his??60 bucks if the women files for child support and paternity the guy has to get a lawyer if the women will not file then your looking at 600 just for paternity 1500 total with a lawyer here anyway. I am not so sure any girl with a brain would want to ask him to take care of their child so if he cared to know he could and if she is on welfare they will make him get on at sometime.

[teresa]

One of the facts in this case, posted by Crystal herself on a public forum, is that Crystal, the bio-mom had a Mary Jane party 11 months ago. In order to have a Mary Jane party, you have to invite Mary Jane. It is not inconsistent to infer that she inevitably had to conduct illegal business with an unsavory character who was SELLING DRUGS. Crystal C., the bio-mom was keeping company with drug-dealers and using drugs just 11 months ago. It is not unreasonable to suggest that because she was buying and using Marijuana, she MAY have been using other drugs also, because she has a history of doing so. But that is not proven. One of the few things we know its that Crystal is a liar.

We have NO proof that Ron has bought or used any drugs in 3 or 4(?) years.

I believe she was also living with Chad when he was busted. 2007 I think but I'll have to check.

[i_pickle]

I agree APM, I would say Kim is almost a detriment for Crystal at this point. I spoke to a friend who lives in the area and she told me the headquarters has become a family dwelling by all counts in her opinion and that many question what was really going on. I think they are talking about following the money etc...

With all the flack about Florida DCF, I can certainly see why they are conducting an investigation and I would want them to myself. But the idea of Crystal and Kim cooking this up while she has been unable to meet her minimal obligations with the children is pretty far out there.

I don't know where Junior would best be served if neither biological parent is fit as he awaits the return of his sissy. :crying: It's just so terribly sad to think about him not having access to all of his family (dysfunctional or not) unless abuse is proven IMO. :crying:bold mine

This is a perfect example of a rumor, imho. Do you have credible proof that any of this is true?

TIA

[Texas48]

O.K. gonna throw this out there and see what happens. Jr also said he was afraid someone would come out of the wall and take him, I believe him more than Misty here. I think Misty put them to bed at 8 o'clock and put there movie in to keep them in there because she knew she was going to have a visitor. I think she left with him at some time and returned possibly 10:30 or so. I read that LE tore down a wall near the hot water heater. did they find something in there? Strange coincedence Jr said Black man couch jumping and somebody in the wall. Now did someone sneak in there while she was gone and waited till all were asleep to take Haleigh. I really think RC knew that Misty was carrying on with WBG, not unusual for guys to let their women trade favors for drugs. I think that is what is frustrating LE this code of silence these people have. That is why they have to have enough evidence to be able to threaten her with obstruction so she will talk.IMOGood post grma. You certainly gave me more to ponder over. I agree w/you about Ron knowing about WBG. Thanks for throwing more out for us to think about. ALL senerios are welcomed at this point. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Yeah, Ron is the self proclaimed "better parent", yet he knows that child with Ambers is his, so does misty, yet he is in no rush to prove and claim his child, if he was such a loving father and a great parents and loved his kids so much, why is he not going out of his way fighting Amber for him?

Do you have a link to him stating he is the father? Last I saw he stated, he could be.

When a woman doesn't bother to find out, that tells me something.

But maybe she is another for the FEAR RON LIST. :wink:

JMO

I hope everyone in the town is not living in fear of RC even JS the former MARINE and former LE who claims to have witnessed some drug use IIRC. :ohmy:

JMO again.

[teresa]

Well, CANDYKISSES, I totally see your point.

Given that, and in Grma's defense of "what she was trying to imply," what do we call it when Ron impregnates an underage girl and the baby exists as indication of intimate contact?

Oh, yeah, I think it's called statutory rape and it's a second degree felony.

A paternity test could wrap that up in a jiffy.

Are you talking about Amber? If she is 20 now (wasn't that per her arrest record) and the baby is not quite one, wouldn't she be 18 when she was impregnated? I guess we need to look her up again.

[i_pickle]

Has he ever been found i_pickle I have not heard yes or no only that they want to find him. TIA if you know...glad to see your doing some PI work..lol..some of you amaze me what you can find on here. jmoNot that I know of. I skiiped through the stuff about Chad because I wanted to read what the person that was in the resturant with Ron said.

[Texas48]

Oh, I did not know about the above with Ron. When did that happen?

MOOHey there horse...Your not by yourself because I didn't hear this either. Interesting to say the least.

[CANDYKISSES]

RC said he may have another child if he loved 2 why not find out if the other one is his??60 bucks if the women files for child support and paternity the guy has to get a lawyer if the women will not file then your looking at 600 just for paternity 1500 total with a lawyer here anyway. I am not so sure any girl with a brain would want to ask him to take care of their child so if he cared to know he could and if she is on welfare they will make him get on at sometime.

Who is they in your last sentence and what will they make him get on? :confused:

[Texas48]

a poster on here a few days ago said she had been in touch with Cousin Jo and that was the story he gave. That is why RC denied the fight with him. Makes sence as Ron was absolutely certain a fight did not happen and then TN said different. I believe the gun was found in a ditch..is this correct?

[aproudmom]

Bye all I am getting cranky and usually just get off here so I don't take post the wrong way.

I am not on either side I just want this child to come home no matter what and I can see it is getting to a lot of people because we don't know what happened so we have to guess and some may agree some may disagree with others but we all have opinions and I respect everyone's post...

I would love to come back later and hear good news.:seeya: wishing everyone a wonderful evening.

[lonetraveler]

I've been a member of IS since way back in the days of CTV (new nic), but admittedly am mostly a lurker and haven't posted much here. Just want to say how frustrating this case has been for me and I'm sure for everyone else here. IMHO, LE is either very crafty, waiting to make sure they have a solid case or something is rotten in Denmark. I really can't quite get a feel for just what it is. I feel heart sorry for TN as I know she is so heartbroken over her baby having gone missing. I'm curious about her incident with Cobra and the underground hog pen incident. Does anyone know what that was really all about? Also, why would LE not want anyone searching for Haleigh? I've heard many things about how LE isn't exactly kosher in FL and wonder what they do or don't have in regards to this case. Have been reading that white boy Gregg has either gone missing or that he is hiding out at his mother's, that he took a lie detector test and supposedly passed and has been cleared as a suspect. WTH? I thought no one has been cleared and they never tell whether or not a person has passed or failed. I wish they were giving out more information, but if they aren't because it will affect the outcome I guess I can understand. I hope the prognosticators are correct and something will break later this week. Thanks for your patience with my rant.

---
I feel the pain of your frustration. I'm beginning to think that if the LE doesn't slap the cuffs on you immediately following a Lie Detector Test then you assume that you "passed" ? IMO, this may be what this group thinks.

[bama__angel]

Arrrgggg! This "story" was posted here a few nights ago. She had read it on another board (one that allows anyone to post any kind of rumor as fact with no link, etc.) The poster on the other board had a "friend" that was in touch with the sister-in-law of JTC. He told her that story(I won't repeat it), she told the friend who told the other Poster who posted it in a unreliable board and then it was brought here by one of our posters who stated it was rumor.

Did anybody understand that? Or even care how totally unreliable it is?? :rolleyes: Lack of info from LE really leads to all this gossip being posted and taken as fact. I realize that but it's so frustrating! :cursing:


Thank you for pointing this out as RUMOR again and totally unreliable.....

[CANDYKISSES]

Imo Not worth responding to...

Then why did you grma? You seem to be quite content to sling mud and make accusations, yet you take a post answering another poster and do exactly what you are claiming not to do IMO. I guess you can color me :confused: by some of your posts to say the least. JMO tho.

[LiLMaggie]

Haleigh Cummings mom in
hospital

Crystal Sheffield suffers a seizure
while driving

Last Edited: Monday, 30 Mar 2009, 5:03 PM EDT
Created On: Monday, 30 Mar 2009, 5:01 PM EDT

* By MATT SAFFER | FOX 30 Jacksonville

SATSUMA, Fla. --- - It may have been dumb luck that Crystal Sheffield’s father was driving along State Road 20 in Palatka early Monday afternoon. He says he spotted his daughter’s white SUV on the side of the road with a crowd of people around it. When he got out, he says he ran up to the vehicle and saw his daughter in the middle of a seizure.

Sheffield was taken by ambulance to the Putnam Community Medical Center along with her 11 month old daughter. Sheffield was admitted, hooked up to oxygen, and monitored. Her daughter was looked after, and was immediately released suffering no injuries.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

[bama__angel]

and mIsty????? Do any of you really think this is normal or even o.k. IMO


It doesnt matter what I believe or think....what matters is that Misty's mom was aware who Misty was with for the last 5 months and she signed for her to marry.........IMO

[Texas48]

Yeah, I am sure Ron is probably out mentoring the youth, and all these people are just lying on him. I don't buy that, and I dont care if Crystal owes back child support, that does not make her any less these childrens mother, and she needs to get them away from their loose cannon father.

jmoThis post caught my eyes right away when I saw the last part..I have been woundering what Ron reminds me of..and you said it..."loose cannon" One can almost see it in him at times..jmo

[i_pickle]

Haleigh Cummings mom in
hospital

Crystal Sheffield suffers a seizure
while driving

Last Edited: Monday, 30 Mar 2009, 5:03 PM EDT
Created On: Monday, 30 Mar 2009, 5:01 PM EDT

* By MATT SAFFER | FOX 30 Jacksonville

SATSUMA, Fla. --- - It may have been dumb luck that Crystal Sheffield’s father was driving along State Road 20 in Palatka early Monday afternoon. He says he spotted his daughter’s white SUV on the side of the road with a crowd of people around it. When he got out, he says he ran up to the vehicle and saw his daughter in the middle of a seizure.

Sheffield was taken by ambulance to the Putnam Community Medical Center along with her 11 month old daughter. Sheffield was admitted, hooked up to oxygen, and monitored. Her daughter was looked after, and was immediately released suffering no injuries.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizureWow, that could have been so much worse for her, the baby and others on the road.

Glad everyone is alright. This must be taking a terrible toll on her.

[Texas48]

ITA she should have kept her comments to herself...but we need to remember that her daughter was going through this abuse and RC took the children from crystal on Haleigh's birthday and didn't return them. She was with Crystal through all of this and It is totally understandable that she has total contempt for the person who hurt her child. I am not saying she was right by any means but she is human. IMOITA grma...We all HURT when our children are hurting..thats just the mother in us. We also do not know what was taking place when cameras were not on. Misty could have been making comments about the kids loving her more..or they never wanted to leave her and Ron..on and on..Very possible Crystal's mom had enough. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

---
I feel the pain of your frustration. I'm beginning to think that if the LE doesn't slap the cuffs on you immediately following a Lie Detector Test then you assume that you "passed" ? IMO, this may be what this group thinks.

That's quite possible LT, as last week Joe Episcopo was chatting about this case on NG and he stated that Misty had passed a poly too. JMO:confused:

[i_pickle]

That's quite possible LT, as last week Joe Episcopo was chatting about this case on NG and he stated that Misty had passed a poly too. JMO:confused:How would Joe Episcopo know? :confused:

[Themis]

Haleigh Cummings mom in
hospital

Crystal Sheffield suffers a seizure
while driving

Last Edited: Monday, 30 Mar 2009, 5:03 PM EDT
Created On: Monday, 30 Mar 2009, 5:01 PM EDT

* By MATT SAFFER | FOX 30 Jacksonville

SATSUMA, Fla. --- - It may have been dumb luck that Crystal Sheffield’s father was driving along State Road 20 in Palatka early Monday afternoon. He says he spotted his daughter’s white SUV on the side of the road with a crowd of people around it. When he got out, he says he ran up to the vehicle and saw his daughter in the middle of a seizure.

Sheffield was taken by ambulance to the Putnam Community Medical Center along with her 11 month old daughter. Sheffield was admitted, hooked up to oxygen, and monitored. Her daughter was looked after, and was immediately released suffering no injuries.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

Thank you, LilMaggie for the link to today's article. I must say I was dumbfounded at the following paragraph from your link:

"Sheffield’s family says this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance."

WTH? She had a seizure and 'hasn't been able to do any follow-up visits sincer her daughter's disappearance'?

It's been over 7 weeks! C'mon now. She had a least one doctor's visit during that time. We all remember it.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

[heidi]

:rose:Haleigh Cummings mom in
hospital

Crystal Sheffield suffers a seizure
while driving

Last Edited: Monday, 30 Mar 2009, 5:03 PM EDT
Created On: Monday, 30 Mar 2009, 5:01 PM EDT

* By MATT SAFFER | FOX 30 Jacksonville

SATSUMA, Fla. --- - It may have been dumb luck that Crystal Sheffield’s father was driving along State Road 20 in Palatka early Monday afternoon. He says he spotted his daughter’s white SUV on the side of the road with a crowd of people around it. When he got out, he says he ran up to the vehicle and saw his daughter in the middle of a seizure.

Sheffield was taken by ambulance to the Putnam Community Medical Center along with her 11 month old daughter. Sheffield was admitted, hooked up to oxygen, and monitored. Her daughter was looked after, and was immediately released suffering no injuries.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizureOh how sad,I pray the seizures do not prove to be brain tumor,this happened in our family recently.
This has placed so much strain on all.:sad:

[?noanswer]

Thank you, LilMaggie for the link to today's article. I must say I was dumbfounded at the following paragraph from your link:

"Sheffield’s family says this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance."

WTH? She had a seizure and 'hasn't been able to do any follow-up visits sincer her daughter's disappearance'?

It's been over 7 weeks! C'mon now. She had a least one doctor's visit during that time. We all remember it.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure


Your on the ball. I remember it after you mentioned it. There was a lot of discussion as to where she had disappeared and the cops couldn't find her. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

wouldn't color you...wouldn't look at ya if you think this is acceptable IMO

I continue to try and understand your posts even when you continue to make unsubstantiated claims as though they are fact. You can't change the facts to match your opinion no matter how hard you try from my POV. JMO tho.

None of us know what went on with Ron and Crystal IMO. It's unfortunate the mud slinging is going on as opposed to them trying to work together in solving the case of their missing daughter HALEIGH CUMMINGS IMO. :crying:

It's just as sad if they can't work together to make JUNIOR feel secure and loved by both of his parents as he deals with his sister being missing IMO. :wub:

[?noanswer]

:rose:Oh how sad,I pray the seizures do not prove to be brain tumor,this happened in our family recently.
This has placed so much strain on all.:sad:

I agree. Anyone involved in the disapperance of a child would be stressed, but this cannot be the only reason as the article said she had one two days before Haleigh disappeared. JMO

[i_pickle]

Thank you, LilMaggie for the link to today's article. I must say I was dumbfounded at the following paragraph from your link:

"Sheffield’s family says this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance."

WTH? She had a seizure and 'hasn't been able to do any follow-up visits sincer her daughter's disappearance'?

It's been over 7 weeks! C'mon now. She had a least one doctor's visit during that time. We all remember it.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizureYou're going to criticize the woman for having a seizure and not going to the doctor because her daughter has been abducted?

Sheesh, your compassion is underwhelming, imo. :thumbdown:

[CANDYKISSES]

Thank you, LilMaggie for the link to today's article. I must say I was dumbfounded at the following paragraph from your link:

"Sheffield’s family says this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance."

WTH? She had a seizure and 'hasn't been able to do any follow-up visits sincer her daughter's disappearance'?

It's been over 7 weeks! C'mon now. She had a least one doctor's visit during that time. We all remember it.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

Allegedly there were TWO IIRC. There was one where they said she appeared to be dehydrated and was taken to the hospital and then the day she was MIA when LE was looking for her IIRC.

I wouldn't think it's a good thing for her to be driving with Chloe in the car. Correcting that, I don't think she should be DRIVING PERIOD, but that is JMO and I hope this is something they can treat.

[Texas48]

I don't believe that Kim Picazia is cooking anything up. Why not just take her at her word, as an officer of the court, that many people have reported abuse to her and she has directed them to DCFS to make a formal complaint? I agree Jo....I cannot think of any reason for kim to go on national television and LIE. IF her statements are false I am certain it could/would be proven and I just do not believe she(Kim) would take that chance of ruining her reputation as an attorney/officer of the court. What benefit would it do her to lie? None. jmo

[teresa]

Is she 20? I thought 19. But it doesn't matter. Ron was below the age listed in the statute so it wasn't statutory rape regardless of her age.

I may be wrong!! I read it here :smile:

[Texas48]

It may be to late for Haleigh and I do not look down on her for non child support I would have more of a problem if she never came to see her kids and from what I have heard she did every 2 weeks she is young but she is still the mother of a missing child and lives 2 hours away we don't know why RC really got custody I hate to say it but in small towns it is all about who you know in the court system I know that for a fact. RC nor Crystal were wonderful parents IMO.
But for one I dont see crystal doing anything just because she was behind in support all JMOExcellent post mom.

[i_pickle]

Did you miss the part of the article where she was driving? Or the part where she had her child in the car with her? If she has a condition that causes seizures she needs to know so she doesn't put other people at risk. If she doesn't have time to go to the dr then she shouldn't be driving until she finds out what is causing them.Yes, I read it. Was there a point you were trying to make?

Do you have evidence that she is unable to drive? Do you have evidence that she knowingly put herself and her baby at risk because she was aware that she might have another seizure? Have you spoken to the doctor she went to after having the first one? Do you know what the diagnosis was?

The hatred some of you harbor for her is disturbing, to say the least.

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh jeez, now this is her fault? Was it Natasha Richardsons fault she didn't go see the doctor right away, is there any knowing this kind of stuff? Wow, do you not think having your child go missing isn't the least bit stressful? Do you want them to issue a statement saying she has a brain tumor or something? Maybe she has other things to do besides getting married and mud bogging and eating at chillis while her daughter is more than likely dead, can there really be this much hate over someone because they owe back child support?

I hope you are rewarded with a gift certificate to Chili's Pochette. :wink: It seems as though that has really burnt your biscuits IMO. Honest to Pete, that was a dinner for TN's birthday and I see no reason to continue the hammer of this family over her dinner and RC giving Misty a family heirloom. JMO.

I have no idea why RC and Misty married, but have stated on numerous occasions the possibilities. It's over and it's done. Her parents signed for it and there was no lavish wedding, so what's the beef?

We know spousal privilege is not retroactive, so again what's the issue with TN & family going to Chili's for her BD and Misty and Ron getting married? :confused:

[Themis]

Allegedly there were TWO IIRC. There was one where they said she appeared to be dehydrated and was taken to the hospital and then the day she was MIA when LE was looking for her IIRC.

I wouldn't think it's a good thing for her to be driving with Chloe in the car. Correcting that, I don't think she should be DRIVING PERIOD, but that is JMO and I hope this is something they can treat.
Exactly, Candy, what I was getting at. Anyone who has a seizure must take that first one very seriously until medical tests determine the cause and prescribed treatment. If she is not that concerned for her own health she still needs to be very concerned about driving anywhere -- especially with Chloe in the car. What if she was just taking of Chloe at home alone, had a seizure and dropped Chloe?

She was surrounded by family and friends at tent city for weeks and weeks. Anyone could have driven her to doctor appointments and lab tests.

Of course, I don't wish anyone ill health and I hope it turns out not to be serious.

But she won't know, nor will Chloe's father, nor Crystal's family know until Crystal does what she needs to do.

[SavannahStar]

I hope you are rewarded with a gift certificate to Chili's Pochette. :wink: It seems as though that has really burnt your biscuits IMO. Honest to Pete, that was a dinner for TN's birthday and I see no reason to continue the hammer of this family over her dinner and RC giving Misty a family heirloom. JMO.

I have no idea why RC and Misty married, but have stated on numerous occasions the possibilities. It's over and it's done. Her parents signed for it and there was no lavish wedding, so what's the beef?

We know spousal privilege is not retroactive, so again what's the issue with TN & family going to Chili's for her BD and Misty and Ron getting married?

:thumbup: Lovin your posts on here, Candy.

[doctor_J]

Allegedly there were TWO IIRC. There was one where they said she appeared to be dehydrated and was taken to the hospital and then the day she was MIA when LE was looking for her IIRC.

I wouldn't think it's a good thing for her to be driving with Chloe in the car. Correcting that, I don't think she should be DRIVING PERIOD, but that is JMO and I hope this is something they can treat.

Did she get her license back? Themis's post is legit. She could have killed the other driver or her daughter. Another example of irresponsibility, because as Themis pointed out she HAS been to a doctor and as the family stated she had one before Haleigh went missing. Why would she risk Chloe's life and innocent drivers KNOWING she had a seizure OF UNKNOWN CAUSE. Can you even get car insurance without a license? Not in my state. I would BEt the farm she had welfare and Medicaid benefits (how else does she survive without working)?

Maybe she didn't ask the doctor because she knew what caused the seizure and did not want a drug test.
I do sincerely hope it is not something that cannot be easily corrected. Noone wishes ill for this woman. I DO expect her to be more responsible for trying to insure her child's safety (and others) by NOT driving without a license, insurance, and with an hx of seizures.

[Peaches]

Thank you, LilMaggie for the link to today's article. I must say I was dumbfounded at the following paragraph from your link:

"Sheffield’s family says this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance."

WTH? She had a seizure and 'hasn't been able to do any follow-up visits sincer her daughter's disappearance'?

It's been over 7 weeks! C'mon now. She had a least one doctor's visit during that time. We all remember it.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

It is evident to ME, that God was taking care of both Crystal and her baby girl. I hope that doctors find the reason for these seizures and that it can be corrected easily.

[Texas48]

They had been together since December. Haleigh goes missing 2 months later, so Haleigh essentially knew Misty two months, I wonder how many other potential mothers Haleigh saw and wanted to be mommy?Haleigh being a little 5yo most likely said something to Misty about playing dressup as little girls do and then Misty took and ran with it...Marriage...party....mommie...all at one time. This is how Misty came up with .... Haleigh ALWAYS wanted me(misty) and Ron to be married. Yea..Okey Dokey..Neve gona buy it. thats jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Exactly, Candy, what I was getting at. Anyone who has a seizure must take that first one very seriously until medical tests determine the cause and prescribed treatment. If she is not that concerned for her own health she still needs to be very concerned about driving anywhere -- especially with Chloe in the car. What if she was just taking of Chloe at home alone, had a seizure and dropped Chloe?

She was surrounded by family and friends at tent city for weeks and weeks. Anyone could have driven her to doctor appointments and lab tests.

Of course, I don't wish anyone ill health and I hope it turns out not to be serious.

But she won't know, nor will Chloe's father, nor Crystal's family know until Crystal does what she needs to do.

I'm sure it will ring home now given this happened on the road, and she is very fortunate nothing happened IMO. Any one of your scenarios could have happened or WORSE for that matter. Someone could have taken her child if she hadn't regained consciousness quickly. :sad:

She may be one of those people who doesn't realize the importance of diagnostic procedures and keeping up with her health and doctor appointments, but this must wake her up IMO. Again, hoping this is something easy to treat.

[i_pickle]

The point is she put her child, other drivers and pedestrians at risk by driving. Something caused her seizureS and it isn't stress from Haleigh's disappearance since the first one was BEFORE the disappearance.

Why ask if I've spoken to the dr she went to after the first one since the report clearly said she didn't go to a dr? I wasn't rude to you so save your snarky attitude for someone else. :rolleyes:Snarky attitude? I asked you questions that apparently you can't answer so you get defensive and accuse me of being snarky. Alrighty then, lol

Better read the report again. It said she did go after the first one but hasn't gone for a follow up because Haleigh went missing.

Sheffield’s family says this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

Perhaps you're too busy trying to find fault with her that you didn't read it carefully enough?

[Texas48]

I am aware of that but not breaking the law in the eyes of satsuma LE they never charged him with anything. why do you think she was called the live in babysitter when this happened because no one said she was sleeping with him even though we are not stupid we all know that he did but was not charged with it so she was a sitter I guess. I agree OK I am just stating that DFC does not look at it as a danger to a child when a 16yr old is watching children..Your right mom and had not thought about it but I'm sure DFC only saw/thought of Misty as a babysitter and they most likely were never given a heads up that Misty was MORE than just a babysitter. I would like to see their case files on this family before Haleigh went missing. But thats just me..jmo as well.

[Politigal]

Obviously, going to see Geraldo *twice* was much more important.

:glare:

[Texas48]

Well, if it was one month earlier, that makes it 3. And if its Nov, Ron was sleeping with a 16 year old. I believe mom is right..they were living together since Nov. I have not read when they "got together" as in girlfriend/boyfriend before they Misty became a live in babysitter/girlfriend. Either way Misty was only 16. Wow. imo

[IlliniFan]

I just got home and read about Crystal. I do hope she's ok and that while in the hospital they can get to the bottom of why she is having them.

I'm glad her baby was ok. It could have been much worse..

imo

[CANDYKISSES]

:thumbup: Lovin your posts on here, Candy.

Hi Savannah, I am not understanding the idea that TN should refrain from going to dinner at a place like Chili's for heavens sake in honor of her birthday. I think everyone needs to have some time to remember they are living. Both Junior and Chloe need parents they can count on at this time, I'm sure they don't understand the deep pain and grief they are exposed to daily right now. JMO tho.

It certainly doesn't mean they are forgetting Haleigh IMO. I'm sure all parties think about Haleigh every day and hope and pray for a positive resolution, but they will have to pick up the pieces, keep moving forward AND CONTINUE their QUEST to find HALEIGH as they do so IMOO. :crying:

[bama__angel]

Well there is the possibility of receiving a check when going to see Geraldo.



I would like to know if Crystal or Misty has a valid Florida driver's license.....

[crymeariver2006]

Did she get her license back? Themis's post is legit. She could have killed the other driver or her daughter. Another example of irresponsibility, because as Themis pointed out she HAS been to a doctor and as the family stated she had one before Haleigh went missing. Why would she risk Chloe's life and innocent drivers KNOWING she had a seizure OF UNKNOWN CAUSE. Can you even get car insurance without a license? Not in my state. I would BEt the farm she had welfare and Medicaid benefits (how else does she survive without working)?

Maybe she didn't ask the doctor because she knew what caused the seizure and did not want a drug test.I do sincerely hope it is not something that cannot be easily corrected. Noone wishes ill for this woman. I DO expect her to be more responsible for trying to insure her child's safety (and others) by NOT driving without a license, insurance, and with an hx of seizures.

You really should educate yourself.

And where in the article did it say she was on welfare, driving without a license, and on Medicaid?

I'm glad you stated you wish no will for this woman because your posts tell me different.

JMO

[i_pickle]

I read it. She has time to go to Burger King and out to buy phones but doesn't have time to find out why she is having seizures and then puts her child and others at risk by driving after having a seizure without knowing what caused it.If you read it, you didn't understand it because it clearly says she went to the doctor after the first one, yet you claim in your previous post that she didn't.

Then, when confronted with your mistake, instead of owning up to it you further criticize her for going to Burger King.

LOL, I give up. Carry on. Your Crystal trashing says waaaaay more about you than it does about Crystal, imvho. :seeya:

[Politigal]

the seizures or mild strokes....at least explain why Crystal seems so slow....

[Texas48]

Arrrgggg! This "story" was posted here a few nights ago. She had read it on another board (one that allows anyone to post any kind of rumor as fact with no link, etc.) The poster on the other board had a "friend" that was in touch with the sister-in-law of JTC. He told her that story(I won't repeat it), she told the friend who told the other Poster who posted it in a unreliable board and then it was brought here by one of our posters who stated it was rumor.

Did anybody understand that? Or even care how totally unreliable it is?? :rolleyes: Lack of info from LE really leads to all this gossip being posted and taken as fact. I realize that but it's so frustrating! :cursing:HUH ?? Only kidding doc. Sometimes it is hard to type what is in your head..did I say that right? :confused:

[?noanswer]

I would not want to wish anyone bad luck. But the board sure perked up. Something new to talk about. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I read it. She has time to go to Burger King and out to buy phones but doesn't have time to find out why she is having seizures and then puts her child and others at risk by driving after having a seizure without knowing what caused it.

She's not allowed to have lunch?

Or pick up a phone for the Haleighbug building?

Unbelievable.

[crymeariver2006]

I would not want to wish anyone bad luck. But the board sure perked up. Something new to talk about. JMO

Perked up the Crystal bashing maybe.

IMO, it's reached a new low.

[i_pickle]

Sorry...I forgot I had to be specific here. :rolleyes:

When did she go for a follow up? She didn't. She didn't go to find out what was causing the seizure then uses Haleigh's disappearance as the reason why. As Themis pointed out she has gone to the dr since Haleigh's disappearance so why can't she go for a followup?Being right helps. Or, at the very least, being able to admit that you made a mistake.

:rolleyes:

[crymeariver2006]

But nowhere near as low as the Ron bashing has gone. I love how that's allowed but God forbid anyone criticize Crystal when she puts a child at risk. Oh wait....isn't that why you criticize Ron? For putting Haleigh at risk but here you are giving Crystal a free pass.

Oh please, questioning Ron's judgment in leaving his children with a 16 year old who has to be told to dial 911 in an emergency is hardly bashing.

But bashing someone with a legitimate health concern is low IMO.

[SavannahStar]

You couldn't pay me to eat at Chillis.

I never said anything about spousal privlage, I think its uncouth that Haleighs dad made a public spectacle of himself at Chillis and dropped to his knee and asked a teen to marry him in front of a lot of people, I think its disgusting Ron can sit and eat and have these family moments while his daughter is either dead or in real bad shape.

:ohmy: Chilis is good! Their nachos are to die for.

[Texas48]

If the allegations are true is what I was talking about. If Jr is taken from Ron, he needs to be temporarily placed where both parents can visit him until Crystal is checked out thoroughly also. I doubt Ron has 8 (!) investigators checking out Crystal as Kim P does Ron.

I'm not mesmerized at all by Ron. I was just slinging mud with the other mud slinger. Not you grma...I like you. :smile:I believe Jr. should be put FIRST no matter what...I just have a problem w/Jr. being taken fom BOTH parents and placed w/foster parents who he does NOT know. He has been through enough to last a lifetime and he is just a wee little boy. Since Haleigh went missing on Ron's watch then Jr. shsould be placed w/Crystal untill DFC completes their investigation. jmo

[teresa]

Kim is introduced as part of Jane's panel? Why not as a guest? Strange.

[Texas48]

Well, CANDYKISSES, I totally see your point.

Given that, and in Grma's defense of "what she was trying to imply," what do we call it when Ron impregnates an underage girl and the baby exists as indication of intimate contact?

Oh, yeah, I think it's called statutory rape and it's a second degree felony.

A paternity test could wrap that up in a jiffy.I like the "jiffy" part pascal.lol

[forensicfan]

If she had gone missing on Crystal's watch, the reaction would be the same. If it isn't the age of the person watching her, it would be something else.

NEITHER of these two are parents of the year. NEITHER ONE! But there is no evidence yet of either of these two having anything to do with her disappearance so the bashing of BOTH is uncalled for!

[Politigal]

Let's try to get back onto topic of this forum - for Haleigh Cummings - a sweet little 5 yr old girl who is missing.

Her mom's seizure, Ron marrying Misty, etc. really don't seem to have anything to do with the disappearance.

None of us have any proof that any of the family members are involved.

And all the gossip lately about White Boy and others is just that...gossip.

IMO, it all started rapidly down hill when atty Kim Picazio came into the picture.

I think it's a shame that these 2 families couldn't come together more for the sake of Haleigh.

Instead, it's turned into a Jerry Springer-like fiasco.

....hoping that law enforcement can find this baby soon.

:sad:

[Texas48]

I simply meant that they were having sex with the minors living in that house and if her telling Amber that she got her man isn't proof enough for you, I guess you will support him no matter what he does. All this shows that when you go to court if you don't have proof it can't be used and that is what cost Crystal custody to begin with. I just can't see anyone siding with a man who makes a habit of sleeping with a 16 yr old...no wait more than one 16 yr old I don't think Amber was 18 either, their baby should prove that. any parent in there right mind should not want this guy near their teenage children.I think most all knew what you meant grma and i also think most agrees w/you.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I'm not bashing her for having a legitimate health concern. I'm criticizing her for ignoring that legitimate health concern then putting other people, including a small child at risk. Her judgement isn't very sound considering....but please feel free to ignore that fact.

FGS, if she did go back to Maclenny to see her doc, y'all would say she abandoned her search.

I bet you a dollar most of us have placed our medical concern way back at last when our child has a problem.

And Haleigh... has a problem.

This silly my team vs your team stuff is useless and not at all productive. But as someone said upthread, makes for something to talk about.

Both/all 3 of these "parents" didn't deserve to have a child.

[CANDYKISSES]

Perked up the Crystal bashing maybe.

IMO, it's reached a new low.

I believe the court record shows a woman who knew her son was to receive a diagnosis from a cardiologist and yet she missed the appointment IIRC. Someone else even offered to take him IIRC.

To think it's time to grow up and realize the importance of keeping your health in check as well as the health of your children is called responsibility IMO.

IF she wants to fight for custody, it's imperative she show good judgment regarding medical issues and treatment this time around IMOO. It cost her last time IIRC. :sad:

[red72]

hello im new to the board. not sure what i can and cant say. i am praying for haleigh to be found and brought home no matter which way it goes. and that the perp pays BIG TIME!!!!!

[forensicfan]

Let's try to get back onto topic of this forum - for Haleigh Cummings - a sweet little 5 yr old girl who is missing.

Her mom's seizure, Ron marrying Misty, etc. really don't seem to have anything to do with the disappearance.

None of us have any proof that any of the family members are involved.

And all the gossip lately about White Boy and others is just that...gossip.

IMO, it all started rapidly down hill when atty Kim Picazio came into the picture.

I think it's a shame that these 2 families couldn't come together more for the sake of Haleigh.

Instead, it's turned into a Jerry Springer-like fiasco.

....hoping that law enforcement can find this baby soon.

:sad:


Well said Politigal. Unfortunately for some, facts are not as interesting and evidently irrelevant because of the background information of the parents.

[Texas48]

Hi Rosie
Don't forget Misty and Crystal both said they had those kids 24/7 so were was daddy at 24/7 I find it odd both state they loved those kids they had them 24/7. so when did RC take care of them? yeah he had a job I know that but more to being a parent than just having a job.

I am sick of hearing she looked like a little queen misty made her up everyday before she went to school OK and what does that have to do with her being missing sounds like they were playing and having tea parties..she was not and will never be their mother she was daddy's new g/f now his wifey JMO
I have posted almost the exact thing you posted about the tea parties..playing house..playing dress up..but you worded it so much better that I did . lol

[IlliniFan]

Kim is introduced as part of Jane's panel? Why not as a guest? Strange.

I missed that part..Now Kim says she just got off the phone wGreg.....hmm

[Peaches]

When I make mistakes I admit to it. The only one I made here was not being specific about her not going to the dr for a follow up. I admitted that in my last post to you.


bookie, I love your post. Your are right on target! moo:thumbsup:

[CANDYKISSES]

But nowhere near as low as the Ron bashing has gone. I love how that's allowed but God forbid anyone criticize Crystal when she puts a child at risk. Oh wait....isn't that why you criticize Ron? For putting Haleigh at risk but here you are giving Crystal a free pass.

Much more than just a child at risk IMO Bookie. She is putting many people at risk when she takes the wheel knowing she has not followed up after a seizure or more IMO. :sad:

[cat3]

Do we know for a fact that Crystal wasn't on any medications to control seizures? Sounds as though she had had only one before this incident.I'm sure after having a second seizure she knows that she shouldn't be driving.Sometimes meds don't always work to control seizures and stress can bring them on as well.
While not being a fan of some of Crystal's actions,I do wish her a swift recovery.She is very young to be having these kind of health problems.
IMO

[teresa]

I believe Jr. should be put FIRST no matter what...I just have a problem w/Jr. being taken fom BOTH parents and placed w/foster parents who he does NOT know. He has been through enough to last a lifetime and he is just a wee little boy. Since Haleigh went missing on Ron's watch then Jr. shsould be placed w/Crystal untill DFC completes their investigation. jmo

I was with you until the last statement Texas. I do not want him in foster care but you can't take him away only because of Haleigh. No other people get their kids taken away. DCF needs to investigate Crystal as well and I'm sure they will. I think a compromise with any of the grandparents with guaranteed plentiful visitation with both parents would be best.

Poor little Jr. I really hope both sides hide their hard feelings from him.

[CANDYKISSES]

Crystal prodding Junior on Geraldo was "highly improper" according to the defense and prosecution guests on JVM. No legal value to the interview.

It was an awful thing to do and put a child in jeopardy if they believe even twenty percent of what they claim about Ron Cummings IMO. :sad:

[IlliniFan]

Kim keeps saying Crystal had no idea that she could come back to the courts to revisit custody.

Now, I wonder about that. Her mom surely had some knowledge of custody issues. Crystal has a boyfriend that has been involved in issues regarding custody with his ex wife.

It seems to me, if she asked a family member or her b/f regarding wanting custody of her children, that someone would have been able to enlighten her...imo

[Texas48]

#2 08-12-2005, 07:28 PM
aaron
Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 25,639

Statutory Rape in Florida

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Florida's "statutory rape" law provides:

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Quoting Florida Statutes Section 794.05 - Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.
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(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

(2) The provisions of this section do not apply to a person 16 or 17 years of age who has had the disabilities of nonage removed under chapter 743.

(3) The victim's prior sexual conduct is not a relevant issue in a prosecution under this section.

(4) If an offense under this section directly results in the victim giving birth to a child, paternity of that child shall be established as described in chapter 742. If it is determined that the offender is the father of the child, the offender must pay child support pursuant to the child support guidelines described in chapter 61.
GOOD SEARCHING grma.

[Texas48]

Bye all I am getting cranky and usually just get off here so I don't take post the wrong way.

I am not on either side I just want this child to come home no matter what and I can see it is getting to a lot of people because we don't know what happened so we have to guess and some may agree some may disagree with others but we all have opinions and I respect everyone's post...

I would love to come back later and hear good news.:seeya: wishing everyone a wonderful evening.Bye mom..good posting w/you. see ya later.

[forensicfan]

Why is statutory rape being revisited over and over again when Ron was not charged with it? Her parents consented with or without the public's approval. They're married now. Whether anybody approves or not it's over and done with. Let it go.

[Peaches]

I believe Jr. should be put FIRST no matter what...I just have a problem w/Jr. being taken fom BOTH parents and placed w/foster parents who he does NOT know. He has been through enough to last a lifetime and he is just a wee little boy. Since Haleigh went missing on Ron's watch then Jr. shsould be placed w/Crystal untill DFC completes their investigation. jmo


That is certainly not the opinion of those in charge. There are leaving Ron, Jr. with the person who has taken care of him for the most formative years of his life.

He is with his ggm, Ron and Misty. I also feel certain that his grandmother is there visiting him often.

HaLeigh should be choosing her Easter Dress and looking forward to what the bunny would leave.

moo

[Texas48]

and mIsty????? Do any of you really think this is normal or even o.k. IMOYou get a NO vote on this end.

[teresa]

I missed that part..Now Kim says she just got off the phone wGreg.....hmm

That's how she was introduced...third one of Jane's legal panel. She looked excited about the Greg stuff didn't she? She didn't use Fox makeup artists either. I know that is snide but I think that of anyone who appears on Fox. They make all women look like Stepford wives.

[Peaches]

If she had gone missing on Crystal's watch, the reaction would be the same. If it isn't the age of the person watching her, it would be something else.

NEITHER of these two are parents of the year. NEITHER ONE! But there is no evidence yet of either of these two having anything to do with her disappearance so the bashing of BOTH is uncalled for!



BRAVO!!!!!!!!!1:thumbsup:

I agree with you. Neither parent has shown me that they put their children's interest first.

moo

[forensicfan]

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!1:thumbsup:

I agree with you. Neither parent has shown me that they put their children's interest first.

moo

thank you.

[CANDYKISSES]

That is certainly not the opinion of those in charge. There are leaving Ron, Jr. with the person who has taken care of him for the most formative years of his life.

He is with his ggm, Ron and Misty. I also feel certain that his grandmother is there visiting him often.

HaLeigh should be choosing her Easter Dress and looking forward to what the bunny would leave.

moo

Hi Peaches, hoping all is well. You're spot on about them not taking Junior at this time. FGS, it seems like the vote is in to remove him, put him in the custody of a woman who is still neglecting health issues and just forget about the past issues with Chad and a child protective order, a parent who allegedly failed and can't offer to support him, and comes with a history of false reporting.

No, that is not how the system is designed to work. Someone must prove they are FIT to have CUSTODY when and if a child or children are removed from the primary custodial parent IMO. :unsure:

I pray this brother and sister are united and that after such time the rest can be sorted out. Still holding out for a miracle On HALEIGH CUMMINGS COMING HOME SAFE! :wub: jmo

[Texas48]

Oh jeez, now this is her fault? Was it Natasha Richardsons fault she didn't go see the doctor right away, is there any knowing this kind of stuff? Wow, do you not think having your child go missing isn't the least bit stressful? Do you want them to issue a statement saying she has a brain tumor or something? Maybe she has other things to do besides getting married and mud bogging and eating at chillis while her daughter is more than likely dead, can there really be this much hate over someone because they owe back child support? Your right on w/your post and all I can do is shake my head. The mother of a missing child has to go to ER and that is ALSO picked to pieces just because it is Crystal. WTH..jmo

[IlliniFan]

That's how she was introduced...third one of Jane's legal panel. She looked excited about the Greg stuff didn't she? She didn't use Fox makeup artists either. I know that is snide but I think that of anyone who appears on Fox. They make all women look like Stepford wives.

LOL @ Stepford Wives...I think you're on to something.

It could be that Jane just misspoke?

Although, KP is on HLN as much as many of the TH's. I guess it does keep Haleigh's disappearance in the news, to some degree...imo

[Peaches]

Kim keeps saying Crystal had no idea that she could come back to the courts to revisit custody.

Now, I wonder about that. Her mom surely had some knowledge of custody issues. Crystal has a boyfriend that has been involved in issues regarding custody with his ex wife.

It seems to me, if she asked a family member or her b/f regarding wanting custody of her children, that someone would have been able to enlighten her...imo


What I read is that the judge explained to Crystal with her mother there that she had an additonal 10 days to bring evidence in order for him to consider giving her custody of her children. She said that she wished to wave this right.

moo

[teresa]

LOL @ Stepford Wives...I think you're on to something.

It could be that Jane just misspoke?

Although, KP is on HLN as much as many of the TH's. I guess it does keep Haleigh's disappearance in the news, to some degree...imo

maybe, but she was not introduced as a guest. Illini, I'm wondering how many $'s Greg will get from unknown sources for talking to her. I hope LE wrings his neck. That prosecutor is right, they need to be talking to LE, not PI's and lawyers

[Themis]

What I read is that the judge explained to Crystal with her mother there that she had an additonal 10 days to bring evidence in order for him to consider giving her custody of her children. She said that she wished to wave this right.

moo
You're correct, Peaches. I read the transcript and posted it here as well.

[Peaches]

You really should lose the attitude. I was explaining what started the conversation. And added my opinion that it wasn't statutory rape since the ages involved were within the legal ages. As for diatribes....look at what you posted. It fits the definition of a senseless diatribe. :rolleyes:


Bookie, do not fall for the baiting! Just read and move on.

You would think that Ron was born OLD..................

First, he dated Crystal when she was 14-20 (and lived with her/plus they had 2 children)............but they fail to say that Ron was 15-21. Or somewhere near that age. He was also a teenager at one time.
believe it or not!

Second, Amber. We do not have all the details about her.

Third, Misty...............she was 16 and Ron was 24 when they started dating.............or so, that is what is told.

Congratulations on your long happy marriage..............Bookie! You were 16 and your husband 24.

moo

[IlliniFan]

maybe, but she was not introduced as a guest. Illini, I'm wondering how many $'s Greg will get from unknown sources for talking to her. I hope LE wrings his neck. That prosecutor is right, they need to be talking to LE, not PI's and lawyers


I was wondering the same thing about Greg/cash.

Oh I'm sure LE is not happy with Greg. I doubt they wanted the man in black story out in the public either. Like the guy on HLN said, it's very much like Jerry Springer.

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

not much news at all. Crystal had a seizure went to the hospital and is OK now. KP was on JVM said she talked to WBG and from what I hear seemed excited about that conversation, that's about it.


Crystal had a seizure?

Oh my -- glad she is ok!

Is she an epileptic?

[TaraCrazyHair]

What I read is that the judge explained to Crystal with her mother there that she had an additonal 10 days to bring evidence in order for him to consider giving her custody of her children. She said that she wished to wave this right.

moo


It is sad she waived her right ... I wonder what was going through her mind at that time

[teresa]

I was wondering the same thing about Greg/cash.

Oh I'm sure LE is not happy with Greg. I doubt they wanted the man in black story out in the public either. Like the guy on HLN said, it's very much like Jerry Springer.

imo

Per Cobra and Mr. Sheffield, they have already been warned about tampering with evidence. Isn't this the same thing?

[Peaches]

Hi Peaches, hoping all is well. You're spot on about them not taking Junior at this time. FGS, it seems like the vote is in to remove him, put him in the custody of a woman who is still neglecting health issues and just forget about the past issues with Chad and a child protective order, a parent who allegedly failed and can't offer to support him, and comes with a history of false reporting.

No, that is not how the system is designed to work. Someone must prove they are FIT to have CUSTODY when and if a child or children are removed from the primary custodial parent IMO. :unsure:

I pray this brother and sister are united and that after such time the rest can be sorted out. Still holding out for a miracle On HALEIGH CUMMINGS COMING HOME SAFE! :wub: jmo


Everything good here, CandyKisses!

Now is not the time for a custody battle. moo Ron, Jr. is with his father, great-grandmother and grandmother who love him dearly. He needs them around him so that he will feel secure. moo

I read that he is frightened that someone will get him like they did his sissy. Being with those who he had depended on all of his life is the best thing for him at this time. moo

Even if your house is broken into and you are away, you child may be afraid for awhile.

Prayers for HaLeigh..........God is still in the miracle business. moo

[IlliniFan]

Per Cobra and Mr. Sheffield, they have already been warned about tampering with evidence. Isn't this the same thing?

It could be. LE doesn't answer much of anything when the media has asked questions, I assume they do that for a reason. I suppose if information was important for the public to know they would release it?? LE always says, they don't want the investigation compromised.

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

not sure they said this is the second time she has had one, she had one 2 days before Haleigh went missing. here's the link


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure



Thank you

That is scary ... adults do not just have seizures out of the blue -- there has to be an underlying cause

Reaction to meds, maybe a bump on the head that was left untreated ...

I hope she is going to be ok and it is not from a serious underlying condition

[FrankieBones1]

Nancy Grace talks about Crystal Sheffield being in the hospital and wonders how this will affect the search for her daughter.

[LiLMaggie]

Per Cobra and Mr. Sheffield, they have already been warned about tampering with evidence. Isn't this the same thing?

Not sure about the tampering with evidence, but she is at the very least interfering with an investigation. IMO

[IlliniFan]

not sure they said this is the second time she has had one, she had one 2 days before Haleigh went missing. here's the link


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

It sounds like the seizures are something new. You would think the doctors would be concerned and follow up while she's in the hospital? I guess maybe they could have done a CT while she was there..

I'd be pretty upset if I suddently started having seizures. I know her mind is on Haleigh, but the onset of seizures could be serious...imo

[teresa]

She was almost giddy as a teenager. JMO

Yep. I don't know if it was her Talking Head Legal Panel status or her Greg info. If she finds out something about Greg, she needs to take it to LE and they need to LDT him to see if he got money and if he is truthful.

If Misty did something, prosecute her but I don't want her set up to make Kim rich(er) and famous. How will a defense attorney portray that when the attorney for a person fighting with the husband of the defendant (if that happens) gets info from an incriminating witness? I may be jumping ahead of the story here, though.

Either way, this does not belong on TV and I have yet to see an attorney on TV except Kim agree that it does.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yep. I don't know if it was her Talking Head Legal Panel status or her Greg info. If she finds out something about Greg, she needs to take it to LE and they need to LDT him to see if he got money and if he is truthful.

If Misty did something, prosecute her but I don't want her set up to make Kim rich(er) and famous. How will a defense attorney portray that when the attorney for a person fighting with the husband of the defendant (if that happens) gets info from an incriminating witness? I may be jumping ahead of the story here, though.

Either way, this does not belong on TV and I have yet to see an attorney on TV except Kim agree that it does.


Did she find something out about this Greg or did she actually speak to him?

Not sure what he can offer this case .... having an affair with Misty really means squat in the scheme of things unless he admits he was in the home that night or Misty left the home to go see him

MOO


(Could that be why the blanket was in the van? Reaching .........)

[teresa]

Not sure about the tampering with evidence, but she is at the very least interfering with an investigation. IMO

I think Kim, the divorce lawyer needs a criminal attorney advisor before she steps in it any further.

[teresa]

Did she find something out about this Greg or did she actually speak to him?

Not sure what he can offer this case .... having an affair with Misty really means squat in the scheme of things unless he admits he was in the home that night or Misty left the home to go see him

MOO


(Could that be why the blanket was in the van? Reaching .........)

She didn't want to say yet. She said she wants to verify some of the stuff he told her about that night first.

[Peaches]

Did she find something out about this Greg or did she actually speak to him?

Not sure what he can offer this case .... having an affair with Misty really means squat in the scheme of things unless he admits he was in the home that night or Misty left the home to go see him

MOO


(Could that be why the blanket was in the van? Reaching .........)


The only thing I got for certain, Tara, is that Kim had just gotten off the phone with Greg. And, whatever he told her, she seemed very happy with it. She said before she reported it on tv she needed to make sure what he said is true.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

She didn't want to say yet. She said she wants to verify some of the stuff he told her about that night first.

Kim said that?



That she wanted to verify what Greg told her about that night?

Very interesting because that implies Greg knows something about that night ....

Hmmm and double hmmmm

[TaraCrazyHair]

Now I have all kinds of scenarios running through my head!

How long do we have to wait for Kim to verify her info?

[teresa]

Kim said that?



That she wanted to verify what Greg told her about that night?

Very interesting because that implies Greg knows something about that night ....

Hmmm and double hmmmm

She said she wants to verify what he told her...my faulty memory could have added "that night". I'll check the transcript tonight and see exactly what she said. They usually come out pretty early.

[CANDYKISSES]

I was wondering the same thing about Greg/cash.

Oh I'm sure LE is not happy with Greg. I doubt they wanted the man in black story out in the public either. Like the guy on HLN said, it's very much like Jerry Springer.

imo

KP surprises me the most and tonite was an example of her on very friendly turf welcoming whatever she would put out IMOO. :sad: I guess given what she has to work with, the boxing match must be appropriate as I feel either side can dig up some pretty unsavory business on the other. Some do it publicly while others do it behind closed doors IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

She said she wants to verify what he told her...my faulty memory could have added "that night". I'll check the transcript tonight and see exactly what she said. They usually come out pretty early.

Teresa, maybe given that she alleged he told her he was with Misty the days before and then suddenly she wants to confirm what most deem the night of concern, HE ACTUALLY TOLD HER THEY WERE NOT TOGETHER THAT NIGHT and told her where he was. That's the only sensible thing that would have her checking it out for me since she already claimed they were together in the days preceding that night. :sneaky: JMO, but I find her tactics way below unsavory. barf

[Peaches]

Hello to all. Been trying to catch up on todays post and came to this one. I will agree that bashing Crystal's medical condition is an all time low imo.


My thoughts are well wishes for Crystal. I hope that these seizures can be controlled and that she will be able to live a long happy life.

moo

[odyssey]

Good evening.

I have been unable to find a link online about the ability of someone to be able to come to a stop at the side of the road while having a seizure and was wondering if anyone else had any information on it?

So thankful Chloe is unharmed. She must have been very scared to see her mom in that condition.
I hope they are doing tests on Crystal to find the cause of her seizures. Very dangerous.

jmoo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Ron said Amber's child is "possibly" his.... He did NOT say 'he knows'.

Apparently there has been no DNA test preformed or child support requested. Tells me it COULD be someone else's child....unless you know the truth, I'll side with Amber and her decisions about her child.



It could also mean that Amber wants absolutely nothing more to do with Ron up to and including child support

That is usually a pretty good reason for not after somebody for support because they no longer have deal with the person, especially if they have no interest int he child

Things could change down the road in any case but at least for now, she could be very happy just the way things are

[teresa]

Teresa, maybe given that she alleged he told her he was with Misty the days before and then suddenly she wants to confirm what most deem the night of concern, HE ACTUALLY TOLD HER THEY WERE NOT TOGETHER THAT NIGHT and told her where he was. That's the only sensible thing that would have her checking it out for me since she already claimed they were together in the days preceding that night. :sneaky: JMO, but I find her tactics way below unsavory. barf

So do all the lawyers I've seen on TV.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Good evening.

I have been unable to find a link online about the ability of someone to be able to come to a stop at the side of the road while having a seizure and was wondering if anyone else had any information on it?

So thankful Chloe is unharmed. She must have been very scared to see her mom in that condition.
I hope they are doing tests on Crystal to find the cause of her seizures. Very dangerous.

jmoo



Grand Mal seizures have almost a warning effect ... smells are a big thing, my son would talk of that

Could have felt dizziness, something came over her that
was just not right --

Thank God she had the frame of mind to recognize it and did pull over and park

[~jomomma~]

Thank you

That is scary ... adults do not just have seizures out of the blue -- there has to be an underlying cause

Reaction to meds, maybe a bump on the head that was left untreated ...

I hope she is going to be ok and it is not from a serious underlying condition

should she be driving? especially with a child in the car?

[CANDYKISSES]

So do all the lawyers I've seen on TV.

Nancy is catching her AGAIN....Nancy asking why BIO MOM would put child on TV to EXPLOIT with Kim having to really back down and accidentally claim Crystal was wanting people to see her as a good mother....OMG, paraphrased here....but GMAB...it's all about her again.

IS there any time that Junior and Haleigh take precedence for any of these people?:cursing:

I am so glad to see Nancy is not going to be pulled into this game of the poor pitiful woman....:wink: She is going to call it like it is and she's tired of hearing about the tenth grade education IMO.

I can't wait for the transcript from this show. :ohmy:

[odyssey]

Grand Mal seizures have almost a warning effect ... smells are a big thing, my son would talk of that

Could have felt dizziness, something came over her that
was just not right --

Thank God she had the frame of mind to recognize it and did pull over and park

I don't know. The article says she began seizing while driving on the highway and bumped the car in front of her while doing so .. and her dad sad she was still seizing when he came up to her suv so sounds like she started having the seizure while driving, bumped a car, and then somehow pulled off the side of the road and stopped ..

jmoo

[MrLucky917B]

Nancy Grace talks about Crystal Sheffield being in the hospital and wonders how this will affect the search for her daughter.

It shouldn't have any affect, LE doesn't want anyone searching...

[odyssey]

She didn't pull over and park. She hit another car.

she bumped another car and then pulled over to the side of the road. At least that is where her father found her, on the side of the road, stopped, and still having a seizure

jmoo

[teresa]

Another little girl gone...walking to a friend's home in the same MH park? I live in a condo development and I can't tell you how many times the little girls here walk down the road to play with each other. There but by the grace of God go all of us.

[PBJMOM4]

Any news today on Haleigh today?

[teresa]

Any news today on Haleigh today?

Not that LE is saying unfortunately.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Very low. I have never seen anything like it.

I wonder when we will find out what Greg has to say. Every interview is like a cliffhanger. At least she is going to check it out first. Looks like he has no problems talking to her and answering questions. That alone could mean something. Interesting!!

At the very least it shows he was not shaking the couch in his squeaky shoes with a black ski mask on

[TaraCrazyHair]

Nancy is catching her AGAIN....Nancy asking why BIO MOM would put child on TV to EXPLOIT with Kim having to really back down and accidentally claim Crystal was wanting people to see her as a good mother....OMG, paraphrased here....but GMAB...it's all about her again.

IS there any time that Junior and Haleigh take precedence for any of these people?:cursing:

I am so glad to see Nancy is not going to be pulled into this game of the poor pitiful woman....:wink: She is going to call it like it is and she's tired of hearing about the tenth grade education IMO.

I can't wait for the transcript from this show. :ohmy:


What?

Huh?

Lost

[PBJMOM4]

Another little girl gone...walking to a friend's home in the same MH park? I live in a condo development and I can't tell you how many times the little girls here walk down the road to play with each other. There but by the grace of God go all of us.

Same MH park as who? Haleigh? I could be very wrong but thought the other girl missing from a MH was in California. No?

[teresa]

I have seen women very similar to Crystal. They seem to have been "Been beat" and just give up. The end up w/no self asteem and need help in getting their worth back. Perhaps now Crystal will do that w/KP help. I do hope so. jmo

You know cricket, that might be true. But I do know one thing...my husband won custody of two kids, the youngest a 2 year old little girl in a big city with no connections. He was and still is the better parent. If our little girl had been taken, a big time lawyer could make her look like a victim too and I promise you the only victims in her life were the two kids she let down. Mothers aren't always right and I will scream that from the rooftops.

[teresa]

Same MH park as who? Haleigh? I could be very wrong but thought the other girl missing from a MH was in California. No?

Same mobile home park as the little girl she was going to see. I phrased that poorly. Sorry!

[PBJMOM4]

Same mobile home park as the little girl she was going to see. I phrased that poorly. Sorry!

That's ok, I was confuzzled!
Another very sad story :(

[Mamie]

She said she wants to verify what he told her...my faulty memory could have added "that night". I'll check the transcript tonight and see exactly what she said. They usually come out pretty early.


She said that Greg said he was with Misty the weekend before Haleigh went missing but Kim P. says she wants to go back and verify things he told her before she says anything further. She was asked point blank if he was with Misty the night Haleigh went missing and she dodged it, which means that if she is taking his word that he was with Misty the weekend before, he did not tell her he was with Misty the night Haleigh went missing. IMO

[bama__angel]

You know cricket, that might be true. But I do know one thing...my husband won custody of two kids, the youngest a 2 year old little girl in a big city with no connections. He was and still is the better parent. If our little girl had been taken, a big time lawyer could make her look like a victim too and I promise you the only victims in her life were the two kids she let down. Mothers aren't always right and I will scream that from the rooftops.



And I would totally agree with your post....... Carrying and giving birth to a child doesnt make you a mama any more than donating the sperm makes a man a daddy....

[teresa]

That's ok, I was confuzzled!
Another very sad story :(

It's very scary. My daughter doesn't understand why we want to know where she is at all times and I try to show her this stuff. She's 17 and thinks that would never happen to her. It happened less than one mile from our home when a 21 year old had her hotel room broken in to and she was murdered.

[teresa]

A lot of us are mothers here and none of us are perfect, but we always have the right to see our children and she certainly has the right to file for at least joint custody.IMO

I agree grma. She (my husband's ex) had that right and she lost and rightly so. Not you, but I have seen some on here say a child is always better off with the mom and I know for a fact that isn't true.

[PBJMOM4]

It's very scary. My daughter doesn't understand why we want to know where she is at all times and I try to show her this stuff. She's 17 and thinks that would never happen to her. It happened less than one mile from our home when a 21 year old had her hotel room broken in to and she was murdered.


One day when she is a parent she will understand your concerns and hopefully appreciate ya for it.

[teresa]

She said that Greg said he was with Misty the weekend before Haleigh went missing but Kim P. says she wants to go back and verify things he told her before she says anything further. She was asked point blank if he was with Misty the night Haleigh went missing and she dodged it, which means that if she is taking his word that he was with Misty the weekend before, he did not tell her he was with Misty the night Haleigh went missing. IMO

Thanks Mamie. I'm a very bad multi-tasker. She also dodged the Cobra question about whether she brought him.

[CANDYKISSES]

What?

Huh?

Lost

You'll have to read the transcripts when they go up, as I can't do this one justice.

I've seen Kim do this before on another show. When she gets flustered, she switches lanes and starts talking about Crystal only having a tenth grade education IMO. JMO:wink:

I believe NG is very much aware of what has gone on here. For the poster making a snide remark about NG's offspring, she works hard, makes sure her children are taken care of by both family and a nanny. IF NG was in the shoes of CS, I sincerely doubt she would put HALEIGH CUMMINGS BROTHER ON GERALDO for an INTERVIEW. I do feel strongly she wouldn't do such a thing period. JMO. :smile:

[TaraCrazyHair]

And I would totally agree with your post....... Carrying and giving birth to a child doesnt make you a mama any more than donating the sperm makes a man a daddy....

While that may be true, well, it is true, there are many many circumstances where a mother just cannot fight it anymore

Usually it is lack of money ... or adequate family to vouch

From what I understand, Crystal basically gave up the fight

Has to be a reason and that reason does not make her a bad mother

Never ever seeing the children is the only thing that would qualify there and she did take her visits with them ...

And while to me it is neither here nor there in the face of a missing child, I do honestly feel Crystal is worried about Jr at this point in time for whatever her reasons may be

Bad timing for a custody battle but IMO not bad timing to make certain JR does not end up with the same fate has his sister

MOO!

[Mamie]

Nancy Grace is an idiot who has exploited her own children much more than Crystal has JR MOO

This is true. However, very different worlds they live in. JMO

[teresa]

One day when she is a parent she will understand your concerns and hopefully appreciate ya for it.

I hope so. The things her friends parents' allow them to do just blows my mind. Some of them are lucky to still be alive.

[Peaches]

Good evening.

I have been unable to find a link online about the ability of someone to be able to come to a stop at the side of the road while having a seizure and was wondering if anyone else had any information on it?

So thankful Chloe is unharmed. She must have been very scared to see her mom in that condition.
I hope they are doing tests on Crystal to find the cause of her seizures. Very dangerous.

jmoo


Odyssey, I think I read/heard that she was in line at Burger King for lunch and had the seizure while in line so that she did not roll far...dent in her car...no damage to the car in front of her.

She was lucky and I feel that God was watching out for her. moo

I hope they find something that can be treated and she can be up and about soon.

[Mamie]

Thanks Mamie. I'm a very bad multi-tasker. She also dodged the Cobra question about whether she brought him.

Yeah, I saw that too! And hey, I had to go back over the DVR on Jane's show to catch what Kim P. actually said because I was on Caylee's thread when I first heard it and only half listened! LOL

[TaraCrazyHair]

Odyssey, I think I read/heard that she was in line at Burger King for lunch and had the seizure while in line so that she did not roll far...dent in her car...no damage to the car in front of her.

She was lucky and I feel that God was watching out for her. moo

I hope they find something that can be treated and she can be up and about soon.

I read she was on St Rt 20

Had been at Burger King

[Themis]

Odyssey, I think I read/heard that she was in line at Burger King for lunch and had the seizure while in line so that she did not roll far...dent in her car...no damage to the car in front of her.

She was lucky and I feel that God was watching out for her. moo

I hope they find something that can be treated and she can be up and about soon.
Reported in the link:

"Family friends tell us early Monday morning, Crystal called volunteers at the Haleigh Bug Foundation to tell them she was going to a local phone store to buy a landline for the foundation. Friends tell us she stopped at a local Burger King for lunch, then while driving along State Road 20, suffered a seizure and bumped the rear bumper of the vehicle in front of her."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

P.S. ....."then while drive along State Road 20 .....

[bama__angel]

lol Trinity..are we blessed with more photos of the twins? I believe I will delete it off Tivo without even watching tonight..Thanks for the heads up on NG




I think her twins are gorgeous babies.....I believe that she is very proud to have 2 healthy babies at her age and she adores them....And I'm sure many of her avid fans request pics constantly.......
And Nancy Grace while I may not agree with her tactics all the time is the one show that keeps many of these missing children out in the media.......For that reason only, I will support her show.....

[Daily_WrapUp]

Reported in the link:

"Family friends tell us early Monday morning, Crystal called volunteers at the Haleigh Bug Foundation to tell them she was going to a local phone store to buy a landline for the foundation. Friends tell us she stopped at a local Burger King for lunch, then while driving along State Road 20, suffered a seizure and bumped the rear bumper of the vehicle in front of her."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

P.S. ....."then while drive along State Road 20 .....What a coincidence that her father wasn't too far behind.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Not that this is the case with you, but I can remember when my kids were 10 and 12 and I lived in a mobile home and had to move that mobile home 60 miles to go to work...I had been transferred...I had to wait almost two weeks for electricity, permits, etc. I worried that the children needed to be with their dad until I got settled. My two kids said they would rather camp out in our mobile home because they were worried about me. Had someone investigated me at that time I guess I would have been considered unfit. I guess what I am trying to say is These kids needed to be put first and I realized that maybe they should stay with their dad for a little while. I just don't see where RC or Crystal thought of their children's best interest and put them first at any time. I think they both need a reality check and these kids need both of their parents. While I do sympathize with Crystal, she could have done more, and I do think that as long as RC had full custody, the romancing should have been handled differently and not so openly in front of his children.JMHO


The romancing is pretty evident but i wonder what the drug usage was in front of the children?

I read a bumper sticker the other day ... "No Child Should Know What A Bong Is" and I remember thinking about this case when I read that

[TaraCrazyHair]

What a coincidence that her father wasn't too far behind.


God works in mysterious ways

(:

[Peaches]

For now Jr is being left w/Ron but this is subject to change at any given time. jmo



You are correct, Cricket.

My prayer is that whatever happens Ron, Jr. will be well care for.

[bama__angel]

Good. I'm glad that your happy with her and her show.



Why thank you.....I'm glad that you're glad lol.

[Daily_WrapUp]

I just did my speed reading through the thread and this is what I got out of it:

- Crystal had a "seizure" 2 days before HaLeigh went missing but hasn't had it checked out in the past 7 weeks even though she had a doctor's appointment
- Crystal continued to drive with her custodial child in the car, and today claims she suffered another "seizure" after bumping into a car in front of her, with said daughter in the car and her father (who knew she had a previous seizure) driving behind her, yet far enough behind that a "crowd" had time to gather before he could reach her
- Crystal was taken to hospital, given oxygen, and "immediately" released
- Crystal has no self-esteem but maybe Kim Picazio can help her with that (instead of her own mother)
- Kim is playing detective on national television by phoning Greg, but can only conclude that he may have been with Misty for (5 minutes? 1 hour? 8 hours?) some time over the weekend, but not the evening/night HaLeigh went missing.
- Kim neither confirms nor denies whether she brought in "Cobra" (after Art Harris, Cobra's "rep", already quoted her as saying that she did)
- Crystal has a 10th grade education (and that means...what?)
- Crystal claims, after 2 custody hearings, that she didn't know she could get another hearing to fight for custody of her children (after several DCF complaints

Do I have this right?

And, where is HaLeigh?

[Peaches]

Nancy is catching her AGAIN....Nancy asking why BIO MOM would put child on TV to EXPLOIT with Kim having to really back down and accidentally claim Crystal was wanting people to see her as a good mother....OMG, paraphrased here....but GMAB...it's all about her again.

IS there any time that Junior and Haleigh take precedence for any of these people?:cursing:

I am so glad to see Nancy is not going to be pulled into this game of the poor pitiful woman....:wink: She is going to call it like it is and she's tired of hearing about the tenth grade education IMO.

I can't wait for the transcript from this show. :ohmy:


Excellent Post...................

It is time Junior and HaLeigh take precedence for all these people!

[Peaches]

And I would totally agree with your post....... Carrying and giving birth to a child doesnt make you a mama any more than donating the sperm makes a man a daddy....


With this.................I Totally agree!:thumbsup:

[PBJMOM4]

I just did my speed reading through the thread and this is what I got out of it:

- Crystal had a "seizure" 2 days before HaLeigh went missing but hasn't had it checked out in the past 7 weeks even though she had a doctor's appointment
- Crystal continued to drive with her custodial child in the car, and today claims she suffered another "seizure" after bumping into a car in front of her, with said daughter in the car and her father (who knew she had a previous seizure) driving behind her, yet far enough behind that a "crowd" had time to gather before he could reach her
- Crystal was taken to hospital, given oxygen, and "immediately" released
- Crystal has no self-esteem but maybe Kim Picazio can help her with that (instead of her own mother)
- Kim is playing detective on national television by phoning Greg, but can only conclude that he may have been with Misty for (5 minutes? 1 hour? 8 hours?) some time over the weekend, but not the evening/night HaLeigh went missing.
- Kim neither confirms nor denies whether she brought in "Cobra" (after Art Harris, Cobra's "rep", already quoted her that she did)
- Crystal has a 10th grade education
- Crystal claims, after 2 custody hearings, that she didn't know she could get another hearing to fight for custody of her children (after several DCF complaints

Do I have this right?

And, where is HaLeigh?


I have no idea how you got that much out of today's posts, so thanks for the summary!
Did she have a Dr's appointment she didn't show up for? {for herself I mean, relating to the seizures} and I had no idea she was released already. Isn't that odd they would release her w/o some kind of testing? Cat scan/MRI etc?

[bama__angel]

I just did my speed reading through the thread and this is what I got out of it:

- Crystal had a "seizure" 2 days before HaLeigh went missing but hasn't had it checked out in the past 7 weeks even though she had a doctor's appointment
- Crystal continued to drive with her custodial child in the car, and today claims she suffered another "seizure" after bumping into a car in front of her, with said daughter in the car and her father (who knew she had a previous seizure) driving behind her, yet far enough behind that a "crowd" had time to gather before he could reach her
- Crystal was taken to hospital, given oxygen, and "immediately" released
- Crystal has no self-esteem but maybe Kim Picazio can help her with that (instead of her own mother)
- Kim is playing detective on national television by phoning Greg, but can only conclude that he may have been with Misty for (5 minutes? 1 hour? 8 hours?) some time over the weekend, but not the evening/night HaLeigh went missing.
- Kim neither confirms nor denies whether she brought in "Cobra" (after Art Harris, Cobra's "rep", already quoted her as saying that she did)
- Crystal has a 10th grade education (and that means...what?)
- Crystal claims, after 2 custody hearings, that she didn't know she could get another hearing to fight for custody of her children (after several DCF complaints

Do I have this right?

And, where is HaLeigh?

I'd say that is accurate, and still No One knows where Haleigh is.......

[TaraCrazyHair]

I have no idea how you got that much out of today's posts, so thanks for the summary!
Did she have a Dr's appointment she didn't show up for? {for herself I mean, relating to the seizures} and I had no idea she was released already. Isn't that odd they would release her w/o some kind of testing? Cat scan/MRI etc?


They probably ran a CAT/MRI and gave her an appt with a Neuro to follow up

Hopefully this time she does

[teresa]

Not that this is the case with you, but I can remember when my kids were 10 and 12 and I lived in a mobile home and had to move that mobile home 60 miles to go to work...I had been transferred...I had to wait almost two weeks for electricity, permits, etc. I worried that the children needed to be with their dad until I got settled. My two kids said they would rather camp out in our mobile home because they were worried about me. Had someone investigated me at that time I guess I would have been considered unfit. I guess what I am trying to say is These kids needed to be put first and I realized that maybe they should stay with their dad for a little while. I just don't see where RC or Crystal thought of their children's best interest and put them first at any time. I think they both need a reality check and these kids need both of their parents. While I do sympathize with Crystal, she could have done more, and I do think that as long as RC had full custody, the romancing should have been handled differently and not so openly in front of his children.JMHO

I mostly agree but don't forget Crystal is living with a man who was arrested for cocaine (while dating Crystal I think) and her myspace showed a party girl. She was "romancing too". Just because Chad is more age appropriate doesn't mean he needs to be around those kids either. I agree they both need to make those kids their first priority. The hard hard lesson they have had to learn is so sad.

[Politigal]

common causes of siezures

http://www.walgreens.com/library/contents.html?docid=003200&doctype=1

Any condition that results in abnormal electrical excitation of the brain may result in a seizure, including:

* Epilepsy
* Injury or trauma to the head
* Infection (brain abscess, meningitis)
* Brain tumor
* Stroke

Also, any medical condition that irritates brain cells may result in a seizure. Common medical conditions that commonly cause seizures include:

* Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar)
* Drug use (especially cocaine or stimulants)
* Alcohol withdrawal
* Very high fever (fever convulsions in children)

[Daily_WrapUp]

They probably ran a CAT/MRI and gave her an appt with a Neuro to follow up

Hopefully this time she doesSince the news release was clear that they gave her oxygen and sent her on her way, I'm curious about why you think they "probably" also gave her a CT scan or MRI scan and/or a follow-up appointment with a neurologist. And if so, why would they report giving her oxygen and then releasing her instead of reporting your probable treatment if they did so?

[PBJMOM4]

They probably ran a CAT/MRI and gave her an appt with a Neuro to follow up

Hopefully this time she does

I don't much about seizures, so I won't even pretend....
If when Crystal had her first seizure, maybe she was given medication to help control it, but if they thought it was even more severe of an issue, wouldn;'t the state of Florida have to contact DMV?

A few weeks ago, a driver drove through my fence. What we understood from the driver {after we pulled her from the woods and her car that was smoking} Was that she was just "cleared" from her neuro to drive and even being on the meds..for over 6 months, it didn't prevent her from seizing anyway. She was fine, just trying to understand who if anyone could really be at fault for such an unpredictable medical issue.

[teresa]

Did you see the map on NG of the 78 registered SO's that live within 5 miles of the missing child?

I would love to see a map of every state and the numbers of SO's residing in them. :cursing:

Yes! I need to check my own area.

[Ice Cycle]

Hi,

I though I would put my 2 cents in here. As far as Crystal's illness goes I don't think their is enough details to know for sure what has occurred. As far as is known she could of been on medication and told she could drive.
As far as NG goes she should be their to report the facts only as since given birth she has came off as a know it all and given birth is not a new thing as it has been done for years.
In fact years ago people were probably more protective than now and yes this is coming from someone with 2 adult children.
As far as her opinion about Crystal because she lost custody is ridiculous. She has no idea what really occurred and thinkg aren't always black and white. The courts are not as they once were as custody is kind of like a no fault divorce and though I believe they still lean toward the Mother they do base a lot on financial and do not like to up root a child unless it is proved someone is at fault. It is obvious that both have a non adult as a adult past but I do believe LE now knows more about Ron than they are saying. Maybe not so much regarding Haleigh but possibly.
What I find odd is that LE has not yet cleared any of the 3 main players given they all 3 have taken LTD. It makes me wonder if one of them did not pass completely and maybe they just do not have proof since LDT are not admissible in court.

[Daily_WrapUp]

I have no idea how you got that much out of today's posts, so thanks for the summary!
Did she have a Dr's appointment she didn't show up for? {for herself I mean, relating to the seizures} and I had no idea she was released already. Isn't that odd they would release her w/o some kind of testing? Cat scan/MRI etc?You're welcome. I don't find it unusual at all that they would release her so soon after giving her oxygen. Doctors are smart. ;)

[?noanswer]

Hi,

I though I would put my 2 cents in here. As far as Crystal's illness goes I don't think their is enough details to know for sure what has occurred. As far as is known she could of been on medication and told she could drive.
As far as NG goes she should be their to report the facts only as since given birth she has came off as a know it all and given birth is not a new thing as it has been done for years.
In fact years ago people were probably more protective than now and yes this is coming from someone with 2 adult children.
As far as her opinion about Crystal because she lost custody is ridiculous. She has no idea what really occurred and thinks aren't always black and white. The courts are not as they once were as custody is kind of like a no fault divorce and though I believe they still lean toward the Mother they do base a lot on financial and do not like to up root a child unless it is proved someone is at fault. It is obvious that both have a non adult as a adult past but I do believe LE now knows more about Ron than they are saying. Maybe not so much regarding Haleigh but possibly.
What I find odd is that LE has not yet cleared any of the 3 main players given they all 3 have taken LTD. It makes me wonder if one of them did not pass completely and maybe they just do not have proof since LDT are not admissible in court.


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She probably has as much an idea about what really occurred as posters on a message board. JMO

[LiLMaggie]

Since the news release was clear that they gave her oxygen and sent her on her way, I'm curious about why you think they "probably" also gave her a CT scan or MRI scan and/or a follow-up appointment with a neurologist. And if so, why would they report giving her oxygen and then releasing her, not reporting your probable treatment?

I thought it was Chloe that was released right away.

IMO

[kkmiausa]

Obviously, going to see Geraldo *twice* was much more important.

:glare:
Going on television with Geraldo spotlighted her daughter's disappearance. Should she not appear on television to help find her daughter or is it only OK for Ron to do it? The poor woman looks like she hasn't slept for days.

[PBJMOM4]

You're welcome. I don't find it unusual at all that they would release her so soon after giving her oxygen. Doctors are smart. ;)

Or not such great health insurance

[Politigal]

Going on television with Geraldo spotlighted her daughter's disappearance. Should she not appear on television to help find her daughter or is it only OK for Ron to do it? The poor woman looks like she hasn't slept for days.

Please tell me how much of the Geraldo show was devoted to Haleigh?

[teresa]

Hi,

I though I would put my 2 cents in here. As far as Crystal's illness goes I don't think their is enough details to know for sure what has occurred. As far as is known she could of been on medication and told she could drive.
As far as NG goes she should be their to report the facts only as since given birth she has came off as a know it all and given birth is not a new thing as it has been done for years.
In fact years ago people were probably more protective than now and yes this is coming from someone with 2 adult children.
As far as her opinion about Crystal because she lost custody is ridiculous. She has no idea what really occurred and thinkg aren't always black and white. The courts are not as they once were as custody is kind of like a no fault divorce and though I believe they still lean toward the Mother they do base a lot on financial and do not like to up root a child unless it is proved someone is at fault. It is obvious that both have a non adult as a adult past but I do believe LE now knows more about Ron than they are saying. Maybe not so much regarding Haleigh but possibly.
What I find odd is that LE has not yet cleared any of the 3 main players given they all 3 have taken LTD. It makes me wonder if one of them did not pass completely and maybe they just do not have proof since LDT are not admissible in court.

Who is the third main player? I wish they would at least start clearing somebody.

I think this public custody battle has really PO'd Nancy. If Misty is involved, I don't think NG will cut her any slack. She makes a face when Misty is mentioned now...I think it is Ron she believes not Misty.

And LOL at this: given birth is not a new thing as it has been done for years

I think NG thinks she is the only one who has kids. It bothers me when she interviews these people (not just the Haleigh family) with missing kids and then will go to a break while showing pictures of her kids. Is she crazy?

[Themis]

Do you recall how many were/are within 5 miles of Haleigh's home?
I'm drawing a blank, except for there were too many IIRC.

TIA!

44 was the first report. They may have added another one (1) bringing up the total to 45 but don't hold me to that.

[Daily_WrapUp]

I thought it was Chloe that was released right away.

IMOPalatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure before rear-ending another vehicle. They said she then drove herself of Putnam Community Medical Center. "Ms. Sheffield complained that she had some type of medical episode just prior to the accident, and that's what distracted her and caused her to run into the rear of the vehicle," said Palatka Police Department Assistant Chief James Griffiths.

Family friends said Sheffield just got herself checked out at the hospital. They said there Sheffield has had a seizure in the past, and that she won't be driving until doctors determine what is going on.

Sheffield's youngest daughter, Chloe, was in the car at the time of the crash. She was not hurt, according to police.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19047874/detail.html#-

[LiLMaggie]

Please tell me how much of the Geraldo show was devoted to Haleigh?

I was wondering that myself. She talked about Ron a lot. Haleigh, not so much. IMO