Monday - March 30, 2009 Haleigh Cummings Daily Thread

[Themis]

Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure before rear-ending another vehicle. They said she then drove herself of Putnam Community Medical Center. "Ms. Sheffield complained that she had some type of medical episode just prior to the accident, and that's what distracted her and caused her to run into the rear of the vehicle," said Palatka Police Department Assistant Chief James Griffiths.

Family friends said Sheffield just got herself checked out at the hospital. They said there Sheffield has had a seizure in the past, and that she won't be driving until doctors determine what is going on.

Sheffield's youngest daughter, Chloe, was in the car at the time of the crash. She was not hurt, according to police.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19047874/detail.html#-
Then hold reporter, Matt Shaffer, responsible because his article read:

"Sheffield was taken by ambulance to the Putnam Community Medical Center along with her 11 month old daughter. Sheffield was admitted, hooked up to oxygen, and monitored. Her daughter was looked after, and was immediately released suffering no injuries."

[LiLMaggie]

Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure before rear-ending another vehicle. They said she then drove herself of Putnam Community Medical Center. "Ms. Sheffield complained that she had some type of medical episode just prior to the accident, and that's what distracted her and caused her to run into the rear of the vehicle," said Palatka Police Department Assistant Chief James Griffiths.

Family friends said Sheffield just got herself checked out at the hospital. They said there Sheffield has had a seizure in the past, and that she won't be driving until doctors determine what is going on.

Sheffield's youngest daughter, Chloe, was in the car at the time of the crash. She was not hurt, according to police.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19047874/detail.html#-

Thank Daily. I was looking at a different article. LOL Yours has much more info.:thumbup:

[teresa]

Do you recall how many were/are within 5 miles of Haleigh's home?
I'm drawing a blank, except for there were too many IIRC.

TIA!

44? Something like that. TJ said in that interview that there are 250 in the county and I read that it is 17 years on average before they get caught the first time. Awful, isn't it?

[?noanswer]

Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure before rear-ending another vehicle. They said she then drove herself of Putnam Community Medical Center. "Ms. Sheffield complained that she had some type of medical episode just prior to the accident, and that's what distracted her and caused her to run into the rear of the vehicle," said Palatka Police Department Assistant Chief James Griffiths.

Family friends said Sheffield just got herself checked out at the hospital. They said there Sheffield has had a seizure in the past, and that she won't be driving until doctors determine what is going on.

Sheffield's youngest daughter, Chloe, was in the car at the time of the crash. She was not hurt, according to police.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19047874/detail.html#-

This is more detailed than the first link that was posted. Why would she drive herself to the hospital? The first link said her father found her. Why didn't he drive her? I would have been afraid that I would have another "some type of medical episode" . I would not want to put my child in danger by driving right after a "medical episode".

"Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure" from above. I wonder if anyone has ever used that excuse when they rear ended another vehicle. JMO

[Themis]

Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure before rear-ending another vehicle. They said she then drove herself of Putnam Community Medical Center. "Ms. Sheffield complained that she had some type of medical episode just prior to the accident, and that's what distracted her and caused her to run into the rear of the vehicle," said Palatka Police Department Assistant Chief James Griffiths.

Family friends said Sheffield just got herself checked out at the hospital. They said there Sheffield has had a seizure in the past, and that she won't be driving until doctors determine what is going on.

Sheffield's youngest daughter, Chloe, was in the car at the time of the crash. She was not hurt, according to police.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19047874/detail.html#-
From your link, Daily WrapUp:

""Ms. Sheffield complained that she had some type of medical episode just prior to the accident, and that's what distracted her and caused her to run into the rear of the vehicle," said Palatka Police Department Assistant Chief James Griffiths."

I question anyone who stated they had 'some type of medical episode just prior to the accident' actually wanting to drive themself to the hospital. Also, I question Crystal's father allowing her to drive herself to the hospital. Note: In the first article it stated:

"When he (Crystal's father) got out, he says he ran up to the vehicle and saw his daughter in the middle of a seizure."

Link to above article: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

[Ice Cycle]

Ok I have a question, is the search they were planning completely called off?
If so and they won't let them then why have they not called TES back to search, look how many times and how long they did for CA.

[teresa]

Then hold reporter, Matt Shaffer, responsible because his article read:

"Sheffield was taken by ambulance to the Putnam Community Medical Center along with her 11 month old daughter. Sheffield was admitted, hooked up to oxygen, and monitored. Her daughter was looked after, and was immediately released suffering no injuries."

Shaffer strikes again..he's the one who flubbed the Chelsea/van interview. IF he's the one who is wrong.

[Themis]

Wish there was a good free site to look and see. Neighborhood watchdog is worthless.


You can check your state here. In my state one can search the data base now from on-line. I can search by county or zip code.

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-legmeg.htm

[teresa]

brace yourself, hopefully you will be better off than most of us. Somehow I doubt that though :(

Yikes! 73 but just 3 in my zip code. Scary looking characters, too.

[Themis]

Shaffer strikes again..he's the one who flubbed the Chelsea/van interview.
If that is the case, then Crystal and her attorney need to demand a correction (and an apology) from reporter Shaffer and his station.

[kkmiausa]

That pretty much sums it up.
You people again Crystal love to get things wrong. Nowhere did it say Crystal was immediately released, it said Chloe the child was not harmed and was immediately released. Crystal was on oxygen. Please get things right. No wonder we can't get decent juries.:thumbdown:

[Daily_WrapUp]

This is more detailed than the first link that was posted. Why would she drive herself to the hospital? The first link said her father found her. Why didn't he drive her? I would have been afraid that I would have another "some type of medical episode" . I would not want to put my child in danger by driving right after a "medical episode".

"Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure" from above. I wonder if anyone has ever used that excuse when they rear ended another vehicle. JMOIf anyone has, how many of them would be more worried about using it as an excuse to explain away an accident rather than finding out what caused the seizure (and a second one at that)?

Maybe someone who has had several moving violations in the past?

[teresa]

Ok I have a question, is the search they were planning completely called off?
If so and they won't let them then why have they not called TES back to search, look how many times and how long they did for CA.

The area media (besides TJ Hart) needs to start demanding those answers. If they don't pressure LE, they'll never have another press conference. When Tim left, he said "she isn't here". What does that mean??

[?noanswer]

If anyone has, how many of them would be more worried about using it as an excuse to explain away an accident rather than finding out what caused the seizure (and a second one at that)?

Maybe someone who has had several moving violations in the past?

Did CS lose her license before because of driving violations? JMO

[i_pickle]

I sure hope they do a drug test on Crystal because some drugs cause seizures.


jmho:rolleyes:

[Daily_WrapUp]

From your link, Daily WrapUp:

""Ms. Sheffield complained that she had some type of medical episode just prior to the accident, and that's what distracted her and caused her to run into the rear of the vehicle," said Palatka Police Department Assistant Chief James Griffiths."

I question anyone who stated they had 'some type of medical episode just prior to the accident' actually wanting to drive themself to the hospital. Also, I question Crystal's father allowing her to drive herself to the hospital. Note: In the first article it stated:

"When he (Crystal's father) got out, he says he ran up to the vehicle and saw his daughter in the middle of a seizure."

Link to above article: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizureIf every insurance agent got a dollar for every time they heard that line ... . :wink:

[teresa]

sad thing is on NG a retired FBI guy said that is below normal :(. i think he said 52 is the average ......... Can you believe that?

That's just sad. When I looked up my county, there was only one who was young and may have got caught up in the smallish age difference thing. Most of them were in their 40s and 50s. There were two women on the list.

[teresa]

If every insurance agent got a dollar for every time they heard that line ... . :wink:

It won't matter if it is like my area. If you hit someone in the rear here, you are at fault period. It didn't damage the other car so they may not even check for insurance, etc due to her circumstances. I wouldn't want to be the one to give her a ticket right now.

[VC2]

I sure hope they do a drug test on Crystal because some drugs cause seizures.


jmho

i think the seizure story is just that. a story to cover up bad driving. We know she has lied about felonies in the past, so its not beyond the realm of possibility she lies to get herself out of trouble.

The idea of her driving herself to the hospital is crazy if it was a seizure. at the least irresponsible.

Hooking her up to oxygen? not the normal thing to do with a seizure.. a cat scan or mri is more appropriate, at the least an EEG. O2 sounds more like she hyperventilated bc she had an accident

IMO

[Ice Cycle]

The area media (besides TJ Hart) needs to start demanding those answers. If they don't pressure LE, they'll never have another press conference. When Tim left, he said "she isn't here". What does that mean??

I know, you would of thought the Media and family would of been asking those questions, too much side show stuff to report on I guess.
How would he know if she is there or not, seems to me regardless if their is a possibility that she is still alive that they would still be looking.
They are never going to be able to proof this case until they either find her alive (hate to say it) or dead body.

[?noanswer]

i think the seizure story is just that. a story to cover up bad driving. We know she has lied about felonies in the past, so its not beyond the realm of possibility she lies to get herself out of trouble.

The idea of her driving herself to the hospital is crazy if it was a seizure. at the least irresponsible.

Hooking her up to oxygen? not the normal thing to do with a seizure.. a cat scan or mri is more appropriate, at the least an EEG. O2 sounds more like she hyperventilated bc she had an accident

IMO

Was that the same hospital that Haleigh was taken when she fell off the monkey bars? If so, maybe they didn't take too kindly to her reporting it as child abuse. That's why they treated her incorrectly. Just Kidding. Hospitals are more responsible than that. JMO

[teresa]

teresa,..i live in San Antonio in a gated community and i looked up the sex offenders with three miles of my house and i was just SHOCKED. This is one messed up world we live in.......

This is 3 girls in the last 6 weeks or so that we know of right? This little 8 year old, the 14 year old and Haleigh. And the little boy in FL is still missing. I would lose my mind. Absolutely lose it. To me, it would be worse than death to not know.

[Daily_WrapUp]

It won't matter if it is like my area. If you hit someone in the rear here, you are at fault period. It didn't damage the other car so they may not even check for insurance, etc due to her circumstances. I wouldn't want to be the one to give her a ticket right now.Unless you had a medical condition like, oh say for instance ... a seizure?

[pascal]

you can roll your eyes all you want but the reality is Crystal used to use drugs and it's a stressful time for her and old habits are hard to break.

for Chloe's sake i hope they did the drug test..........don't you?

But that same blanket assumption cant be applied to the beatified Ronald.

God forbid.

[?noanswer]

This is 3 girls in the last 6 weeks or so that we know of right? This little 8 year old, the 14 year old and Haleigh. And the little boy in FL is still missing. I would lose my mind. Absolutely lose it. To me, it would be worse than death to not know.

o/t Did anyone notice the mother of the 8 yo did not mention her name when she was pleading for her return? (There have been a lot of posts saying RC didn't use Haleigh's name) Also, it seems the story she told on NG was different than the one that LE gave on GVS. JMO

[i_pickle]

Unless you had a medical condition like, oh say for instance ... a seizure?:thumbsup:

(I'm sticking with icons tonight, it's safer that way. :biggrin:)

[teresa]

I know, you would of thought the Media and family would of been asking those questions, too much side show stuff to report on I guess.
How would he know if she is there or not, seems to me regardless if their is a possibility that she is still alive that they would still be looking.
They are never going to be able to proof this case until they either find her alive (hate to say it) or dead body.

My bold. That's what makes me think LE was on to something but then after Misty's "inconsistencies" and other things, I just don't know anymore. I can't believe that they searched close enough and thorough enough in that short amount of time to tell Tim he isn't needed.

They either know what it is or they don't have a clue about this case. I would hope with the state LE and the FBI there that it is that they do know what happened. Even if Misty was gone, they still don't know that Haleigh's little body isn't nearby. I'm thoroughly confused with this case.

[teresa]

Unless you had a medical condition like, oh say for instance ... a seizure?

How would faking that help? She would still get a ticket for no ins or whatever. Maybe she was light-headed (though she just ate at Burger King). I haven't been in her shoes so I could only guess that she is stressed beyond all reason. I doubt we'll ever know with HIPAA laws anyway.

[Daily_WrapUp]

i think the seizure story is just that. a story to cover up bad driving. We know she has lied about felonies in the past, so its not beyond the realm of possibility she lies to get herself out of trouble.

The idea of her driving herself to the hospital is crazy if it was a seizure. at the least irresponsible.

Hooking her up to oxygen? not the normal thing to do with a seizure.. a cat scan or mri is more appropriate, at the least an EEG. O2 sounds more like she hyperventilated bc she had an accident

IMOShe's hungry so she leaves the Haleighbug compound and heads for some grub at Burger King. Gets her grub and heads back on the highway. She's driving with one hand and digging into the fries with the other, and then ....BAM!

Medical condition: PFFDTS Syndrome (Post-Fast-Food-Drive-Through Seizure Syndrome).

[teresa]

Here is what Kim P said about Greg tonight:

PICAZIO: He did intimate a lot of details. I asked him as many questions as I could. We`re going to have to -- I`d like to go and check some of his allegations.

It`s my understanding he was with Misty the weekend prior to the disappearance of Haleigh. And with regard to anything with regard to that night that Haleigh went missing, I need to double check his facts. I`d hate to report something...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/30/ijvm.01.html

[?noanswer]

Yes exactly... ITA

I just couldn't imagine going through half of what they are going through. Specially Mark Lunsford. His precious baby girl was right across the street ALIVE for a few days :( and then buried ALIVE right across the street...I just couldn't imagine that pain. I'm sure he's thought what if ....what if........ makes me want to cry.

Not only was his child missing, but he and his family were accused of being responsible. That probably tripled the anxiety they were having. JMO

[Ice Cycle]

My bold. That's what makes me think LE was on to something but then after Misty's "inconsistencies" and other things, I just don't know anymore. I can't believe that they searched close enough and thorough enough in that short amount of time to tell Tim he isn't needed.

They either know what it is or they don't have a clue about this case. I would hope with the state LE and the FBI there that it is that they do know what happened. Even if Misty was gone, they still don't know that Haleigh's little body isn't nearby. I'm thoroughly confused with this case.

Maybe on to something but just can't prove it. They act as though they are playing this down, I just wonder if due to the CA case and other FL cases that they want to divert the attention from the state.

[teresa]

But that same blanket assumption cant be applied to the beatified Ronald.

God forbid.

Sure it can. Many say he is drugged up every time he's on TV. He may be for all I know.

He is Geraldo's "Stoney Boy" right?

[i_pickle]

Just making sure I have this straight. The usual suspects have already decided that Crystal was high on drugs, faked a seizure and was driving w/o a license.

Did I miss anything? :bored:

[?noanswer]

She's hungry so she leaves the Haleighbug compound and heads for some grub at Burger King. Gets her grub and heads back on the highway. She's driving with one hand and digging into the fries with the other, and then ....BAM!

Medical condition: PFFDTS Syndrome (Post-Fast-Food-Drive-Through Seizure Syndrome).

Some people are also on the cell phone while digging into the fries! JMO

[Daily_WrapUp]

How would faking that help? She would still get a ticket for no ins or whatever. Maybe she was light-headed (though she just ate at Burger King). I haven't been in her shoes so I could only guess that she is stressed beyond all reason. I doubt we'll ever know with HIPAA laws anyway.You said a rear is always at fault, so I responded.

I said nothing about lack of insurance.

[i_pickle]

Just making sure I have this straight. The usual suspects have already decided that Crystal was high on drugs, faked a seizure and was driving w/o a license.

Did I miss anything? :bored:To late to edit so I had to respond to myself and add that she also is an uninsured driver that's higher than a kite while faking a seizure and driving w/o a license. :blink:

[Daily_WrapUp]

Here is what Kim P said about Greg tonight:

PICAZIO: He did intimate a lot of details. I asked him as many questions as I could. We`re going to have to -- I`d like to go and check some of his allegations.

It`s my understanding he was with Misty the weekend prior to the disappearance of Haleigh. And with regard to anything with regard to that night that Haleigh went missing, I need to double check his facts. I`d hate to report something...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/30/ijvm.01.htmlAfter all this time, she can only third-hand claim that Greg "intimates" a lot of details?

in·ti·mate2 (ĭn'tə-māt') pronunciation

1. To make known subtly and indirectly; hint.

She really needs to pay her two "P.I.s" alot more if that's all she's gotten out of "Greg" so far.

[teresa]

o/t Did anyone notice the mother of the 8 yo did not mention her name when she was pleading for her return? (There have been a lot of posts saying RC didn't use Haleigh's name) Also, it seems the story she told on NG was different than the one that LE gave on GVS. JMO

oops, here we go again. You know ?noanswer, I'm not judging anyone on what they say in the first minutes of an emergency. I don't know how people can expect anyone to be coherent do you?

I've only had to call 911 once and I could not remember my parent's address and I was living there at the time.

[Themis]

Just making sure I have this straight. The usual suspects have already decided that Crystal was high on drugs, faked a seizure and was driving w/o a license.

Did I miss anything? :bored:
I do not remember any post on this subject by anyone who had decided (your word) that Crystal was .... all those words you used.

What I do remember is people asking legitimate and thoughtful questions and sharing comments. This is particularly true after the second news article came out which was dramatically different from the earlier news article.

You use the term 'the usual suspects'. Please supply poster's names and post number so that verification can be made. Thank you.

[teresa]

Maybe on to something but just can't prove it. They act as though they are playing this down, I just wonder if due to the CA case and other FL cases that they want to divert the attention from the state.

I hope that's not it. Haleigh deserves better than that. There are two girls missing in California now aren't there? The 8 yr old and the 14 yr old? There are mean, crazy people everywhere so I hope they aren't worrying about their tourist industry.

[teresa]

You said a rear is always at fault, so I responded.

I said nothing about lack of insurance.

I know, sorry. Even with a seizure, it would still be officially her fault wouldn't it (if it had damaged the other car)?

[i_pickle]

i liked it better when you were just using icons lol


i'm not saying she was high or driving without a license i'm simply ASKING questions....

i think Crystals worlds messed up right now..........because IMO she lied about Haleigh being abused.

snip I'm not free to articulate what I like better, lol.

You think Crystal's world is messed up because she lied about the Haleigh being abused?

Do you think it's possible that if, indeed, her world is "messed up" it's because she has a five year old daughter that's been missing since early Feb?

[teresa]

Wait a second, somthing else will surely get posted.

moo

I'll bite...Ron's a POS child predator, child abusing, wife beating, drug dealer, drug stealer, holdup man, drunk at the fair, mud blogging, child killer. Did I miss any?

Hi meadow...just giving you a hard time, nice to see you seriously.

[teresa]

After all this time, she can only third-hand claim that Greg "intimates" a lot of details?

in·ti·mate2 (ĭn'tə-māt') pronunciation

1. To make known subtly and indirectly; hint.

She really needs to pay her two "P.I.s" alot more if that's all she's gotten out of "Greg" so far.

According to TJ Hart it is 8 investigators not counting Cobra.

[Daily_WrapUp]

Some people are also on the cell phone while digging into the fries! JMOYes That's the PFFDTDIFWTOTCP Syndrome. (Post-Fast-Food-Drive-Through-Digging-Into-Fries-While-Talking-on-Their-Cell-Phone syndrome)

It's much more serious than the lesser PFFDTS, but less serious (from a lawyer's point of view) than the PFFDTDIFWTOTCPWUDIRBUAAW syndrome (Post-Fast-Food-Drive-Through-Digging-Into-Fries-While-Talking-on-Their-Cell-Phone-While-Ur-Daddy-Is-Right-Behind-U-As-A-Witness)

[tinkerbell]

Can you direct me to where it is said that they passed a test, other than Ron or Misty saying it? A mean a legit. source.

moo


I don't believe that LE has commented on any of the polygraph tests; as pass/fail.

moo

[teresa]

The 14 year old was found safe. She had faked her kidnapping.
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d..._NEWS/90328008

The link doesn't work for me. Amber DuBois??

[Themis]

According to TJ Hart it is 8 investigators not counting Cobra.
Egads! Eight (8) investigators checking into Ron Cummings background? Who are the people doing this and where is the money coming from? That's a lot of private investigators -- they must be stumbling over each other.

Now I can really see LE's point of view and sense of frustration if this is all really taking place. These private activities could truly be impeding the legitimate LE investigation.

P.S. Check your PMs

[tinkerbell]

I sense an admonition; if not close down, of this thread coming sooner rather than later...

[Daily_WrapUp]

oops, here we go again. You know ?noanswer, I'm not judging anyone on what they say in the first minutes of an emergency. I don't know how people can expect anyone to be coherent do you?

I've only had to call 911 once and I could not remember my parent's address and I was living there at the time.That was exactly ?noanswer's point as I read it.

[Themis]

I sense an admonition; if not close down, of this thread coming sooner rather than later...
I do too and that is a shame. Some posters are so bent on defendiing a side or others zeroing in on a side to criticize. Somehow earlier asking legitimate common sense questions about what a news article said became 'bashing' in the eyes of several posters.

Having said that it is time for me to go. I need a break from this.

Again, thanks to those posters who find links to current articles and take the time to share them with the rest of us.

[i_pickle]

Nah, her child missing for nearly two months shouldn't phase Crystal at all, doncha know. Its just another day at the beach for her. Tomorrow, she'll check out the Value Meal.

That out to be good for a few pages of posts.:angry:
mooYes, you're right. I forgot that she doesn't care about her children. That's why she's fighting for custody. Everyone fights for the custody of children that they don't care about.

[bkwits]

If she had gone missing on Crystal's watch, the reaction would be the same. If it isn't the age of the person watching her, it would be something else.

NEITHER of these two are parents of the year. NEITHER ONE! But there is no evidence yet of either of these two having anything to do with her disappearance so the bashing of BOTH is uncalled for!

I couldn't agree more with what you have posted. Unless a poster thinks that Ron or Crystal had something directly to do with Haleigh's disappearances he or she should not be ragging on the parents.

IMO

[tinkerbell]

I do too and that is a shame. Some posters are so bent on defendiing a side or others zeroing in on a side to criticize. Somehow earlier asking legitimate common sense questions about what a news article said became 'bashing' in the eyes of several posters.

Having said that it is time for me to go. I need a break from this.

Again, thanks to those posters who find links to current articles and take the time to share them with the rest of us.

Point well taken; I couldn't agree more...

moo

[teresa]

Egads! Eight (8) investigators checking into Ron Cummings background? Who are the people doing this and where is the money coming from? That's a lot of private investigators -- they must be stumbling over each other.

Now I can really see LE's point of view and sense of frustration if this is all really taking place. These private activities could truly be impeding the legitimate LE investigation.



When TJ was asked that, he said Kim has lots of money. I think she is in this for herself and not Crystal. Crystal would have been better served by a lawyer who released statements instead of being a media youknowwhat. I don't blame Crystal at all if this stuff is true but her lawyer needs to get off TV and quit making Crystal look bad. MOO

[teresa]

Gee, your kind of being too harsh on Ron, don't you think?

~~wave to Theresa~~

moo

lol, just trying to argue both sides :smile:

[Daily_WrapUp]

I'll bite...Ron's a POS child predator, child abusing, wife beating, drug dealer, drug stealer, holdup man, drunk at the fair, mud blogging, child killer. Did I miss any?

Hi meadow...just giving you a hard time, nice to see you seriously.
I think you missed "tattoo w*or*". (I'll miss you all! See you in the next life!)

I think it's "mug bogging" but maybe those mud boggers here who posted the term in the first place could confirm it.

Not to be confused with "mud blogging", which are websites similar to this one but with lesser moderation for "mud slinging".

[tinkerbell]

lol, just trying to argue both sides :smile:

Perhaps, a search should include or be better served by a coming together of minds; rather than an argument between sides.

[i_pickle]

When TJ was asked that, he said Kim has lots of money. I think she is in this for herself and not Crystal. Crystal would have been better served by a lawyer who released statements instead of being a media youknowwhat. I don't blame Crystal at all if this stuff is true but her lawyer needs to get off TV and quit making Crystal look bad. MOOI don't think KP makes Crystal look bad.

I also am confident, given her credentials, that she knows what she needs to do.

[teresa]

That was exactly ?noanswer's point as I read it.

Me too. I was agreeing with her.

[Daily_WrapUp]

According to TJ Hart it is 8 investigators not counting Cobra.EIGHT and a snake?

So she "brought in" EIGHT P.I.s to add to the mud slinging? Or were they brought in to find HaLeigh?

If they were brought in to find HaLeigh, they should be fired.

[teresa]

Before they change this again, look at Chad Reynold's wanted poster. It says Absconded/Fugitive again and Location: Daytona Beach which is the district office of the district Haleigh lives in.

It was like this and then they took off the fugitive and had location blank and now it is changed again.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveOffenders/Detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=103215457

[sleuth]

I've been a member of IS since way back in the days of CTV (new nic), but admittedly am mostly a lurker and haven't posted much here. Just want to say how frustrating this case has been for me and I'm sure for everyone else here. IMHO, LE is either very crafty, waiting to make sure they have a solid case or something is rotten in Denmark. I really can't quite get a feel for just what it is. I feel heart sorry for TN as I know she is so heartbroken over her baby having gone missing. I'm curious about her incident with Cobra and the underground hog pen incident. Does anyone know what that was really all about? Also, why would LE not want anyone searching for Haleigh? I've heard many things about how LE isn't exactly kosher in FL and wonder what they do or don't have in regards to this case. Have been reading that white boy Gregg has either gone missing or that he is hiding out at his mother's, that he took a lie detector test and supposedly passed and has been cleared as a suspect. WTH? I thought no one has been cleared and they never tell whether or not a person has passed or failed. I wish they were giving out more information, but if they aren't because it will affect the outcome I guess I can understand. I hope the prognosticators are correct and something will break later this week. Thanks for your patience with my rant.

Has anyone heard or have an update on Crystal's seizure today?

[teresa]

I think you missed "tattoo w*or*". (I'll miss you all! See you in the next life!)

I think it's "mug bogging" but maybe those mud boggers here who posted the term in the first place could confirm it.

Not to be confused with "mud blogging", which are websites similar to this one but with lesser moderation for "mud slinging".

You have me rolling now. I also forgot liar!

[i_pickle]

Yup, I agree. Kim doesn't mind the NG glares, it just makes Nancy look bad, IMO. (Nancy's sneers look like she just had a Vlasic sour pickle).

I wonder if Nancy will exploit her children in the next weeks leading to Easter. We'll see the egg coloring, the basket filling, and the egg hunt for sure.

mooKP handles NG so well, imo. She doesn't let NG cut her off or dominate the conversation.

I so want to go on about what I think of NG's exploitation of her children but I feel this big red target on my forehead, so I won't. :smile:

[teresa]

I don't think KP makes Crystal look bad.

I also am confident, given her credentials, that she knows what she needs to do.

i pickle, I haven't seen a single lawyer that agrees with her going on TV and giving every radio and newspaper interview known to man. She may be helping Crystal tremendously behind the scenes and that is where this stuff belongs. I hope when this is over that she will take an interest in Crystal and help her make a decent life for herself. I just think she is ethically wrong to say some of the stuff she has said. She is setting herself up to be sued if she is wrong. She could do all of this out of the public eye if she was in it for the right reasons.

[Pat]

LE sure got a corrected version of the vehicle mishap out in a hurry. I tend to go with the inattentive driving theory. I think the local intrepid reporter juiced up the story.

I also believe it was established some time ago Crystal doesn't have a driver's license, wasn't it? There has been much discussion over whether or not she lost it because of the arrears in child support or for some other reason. In Florida, you can have your license suspended or revoked if you don't pay child support.

[Daily_WrapUp]

Before they change this again, look at Chad Reynold's wanted poster. It says Absconded/Fugitive again and Location: Daytona Beach which is the district office of the district Haleigh lives in.

It was like this and then they took off the fugitive and had location blank and now it is changed again.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveOffenders/Detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=103215457It's always bothered me that he was at least keeping on the right side of the law staying with his Mom until he disappeared. Why did his Mom wait a few days before reporting him missing? (I'm sure she wanted to believe in him, but still)

At first LE thought he'd disappeared for his own protection but now ... it'd be better for him to just come out of hiding, especially since some believe he was too close to Putnam County for comfort.

[i_pickle]

i pickle, I haven't seen a single lawyer that agrees with her going on TV and giving every radio and newspaper interview known to man. She may be helping Crystal tremendously behind the scenes and that is where this stuff belongs. I hope when this is over that she will take an interest in Crystal and help her make a decent life for herself. I just think she is ethically wrong to say some of the stuff she has said. She is setting herself up to be sued if she is wrong. She could do all of this out of the public eye if she was in it for the right reasons.I just have this feeling that if she were Ron's atty you'd feel differently about her, teresa. I'm dumb founded at some of the things I've read here today about Crystal's accident.

I know I shouldn't be, but I am.

[Daily_WrapUp]

You have me rolling now. I also forgot liar!Yes! Liars and mud bloggers. Those are the worst.

Ok so where were we again?

[Daily_WrapUp]

I thought Crystal was living at the Haleigh bug house, why was she calling volunteers to tell them she would not be in because she was out to buy a telephone? That sounds a little squirrelly to me. MOOSetting up for the media calls for what was (cough*seizures*cough) about to happen?

Just a hunch.

[teresa]

It's always bothered me that he was at least keeping on the right side of the law staying with his Mom until he disappeared. Why did his Mom wait a few days before reporting him missing? (I'm sure she wanted to believe in him, but still)

At first LE thought he'd disappeared for his own protection but now ... it'd be better for him to just come out of hiding, especially since some believe he was too close to Putnam County for comfort.

From what I understand, he went to that party and missed his curfew plus had alcohol and didn't check in with his parole officer. That could send him back to prison for a long time.

His family thinks something happened to him but it is weird that he called that girl once and said he was with her broken down car and then the car was found somewhere else. He may be dead but LE doesn't think that or they wouldn't have changed his poster from "endangered". Plus he called one of his friends a day or two later (?) and then hung up. Or someone else had his phone and did it.

[teresa]

I just have this feeling that if she were Ron's atty you'd feel differently about her, teresa. I'm dumb founded at some of the things I've read here today about Crystal's accident.

I know I shouldn't be, but I am.

Yes, some of it was bad. If Ron's lawyer starts publicly bashing Crystal and accusing her on TV of unproven things, I'll be disgusted with him. But Kim threw the first arrows so they have to respond a little. I just hate for Jr and Haleigh (please I hope) to read this stuff someday.

When we get to an actual custody hearing I wonder if it will be closed? The three I've been to anyone could go to but I don't know the rules down there. They seem to be almost too open in FL.

[i_pickle]

I agree with the stuff about Crystal's accident some of the stuff being said was just ridiculous. about NG exploiting her children IA maybe there is still someone in America who hasn't seen them yet. Her comments about Crystal with JR were ... pot .... meet..... kettleGreat point. It sure was pot, meet kettle.

[Daily_WrapUp]

From what I understand, he went to that party and missed his curfew plus had alcohol and didn't check in with his parole officer. That could send him back to prison for a long time.

His family thinks something happened to him but it is weird that he called that girl once and said he was with her broken down car and then the car was found somewhere else. He may be dead but LE doesn't think that or they wouldn't have changed his poster from "endangered". Plus he called one of his friends a day or two later (?) and then hung up. Or someone else had his phone and did it.Unless he has an awesome support network, I don't understand how a life "on the lamb" could compare to facing penalties for messing up his release conditions.

I sure hope he didn't have anything to do with HaLeigh's disappearance.

[i_pickle]

Yes, some of it was bad. If Ron's lawyer starts publicly bashing Crystal and accusing her on TV of unproven things, I'll be disgusted with him. But Kim threw the first arrows so they have to respond a little. I just hate for Jr and Haleigh (please I hope) to read this stuff someday.

When we get to an actual custody hearing I wonder if it will be closed? The three I've been to anyone could go to but I don't know the rules down there. They seem to be almost too open in FL.Well, she claims that she has numerous eye-witnesses to Ron abusing the children who were willing to give their statements to DCF and now DCF is investigating. I just can't imagine an atty of her caliber making that up and repeating it over and over on national TV.

Nothing can be proven without an investigation and according to her, they're (DCF) doing that now.

Not sure about the laws in FL concerning a custody hearing.

[teresa]

Unless he has an awesome support network, I don't understand how a life "on the lamb" could compare to facing penalties for messing up his release conditions.

I sure hope he didn't have anything to do with HaLeigh's disappearance.

Me too. The judge told him he could go to prison for life if he screwed up so maybe it was fear. Considering how daring his crime was, maybe he just can't stop himself. Or he may be dead and we have no reason to worry about him. He seemed to come from an ok family and I know they are worried.

[teresa]

Well, she claims that she has numerous eye-witnesses to Ron abusing the children who were willing to give their statements to DCF and now DCF is investigating. I just can't imagine an atty of her caliber making that up and repeating it over and over on national TV.

Nothing can be proven without an investigation and according to her, they're (DCF) doing that now.

Not sure about the laws in FL concerning a custody hearing.

It may all be true. I just wish she wouldn't say that stuff on TV and other media. I don't envy the judge making this decision. Listening to lies from both sides in the family custody hearings I went to, I can't imagine how he'll make a decision. My dear brother who died at 42 took one custody hearing and said he would never do it again for any amount of money. They get so nasty and so emotional.

[i_pickle]

It may all be true. I just wish she wouldn't say that stuff on TV and other media. I don't envy the judge making this decision. Listening to lies from both sides in the family custody hearings I went to, I can't imagine how he'll make a decision. My dear brother who died at 42 took one custody hearing and said he would never do it again for any amount of money. They get so nasty and so emotional.You have to wonder how judges in both custody and divorce hearings can stand it day after day, but I guess they get immune to all the drama.

I still feel that if Crystal really believes that jr is in danger she is doing exactly what she should be doing...everything she can to get him out of there. As a mother and a grandmother, I could never fault her for that. And I certainly don't fault her atty for doing her job.

[i_pickle]

IMHO there won't be another custody hearing.
Despite 4 years of allegations and innuendo about abuse, all of DCFS investigations have failed to have the children's primary residence amended.....This will prove the same.I seriously doubt that. With all the public attention and media spotlight on them, they're going to have to come up with something better than it's all right to beat your toddler with a stick.

[AlohaRainbow]

Unless you had a medical condition like, oh say for instance ... a seizure?

why is she driving if she had recently developed a seizure condition?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure
Sheffield’s family says this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance.
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she should have been put on anti-seizure medication, and she would have had her license suspended for a varying amount of time:

The guidelines state that, applicants and licensed drivers should be seizure free for a period of two years before being approved for licensing. If a person is under regular medical supervision, it is possible to apply for a review by the Medical Review Board after being seizure-free for six months. These guidelines apply for all types of seizures. The isolated seizure with a normal encephalogram may be reviewed at the end of three months. The Division of Driver Licenses can answer questions about specific situations and how they relate to obtaining a driver’s license.
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Family/epilepsy/Driving.html

[i_pickle]

I don't doubt it for a minute.
Allegations must be proved in court. These cannot. Crystal's photos don't even show a face. How would a judge know that wasn't someone else's kid?
The judge won't accept much 'he said-she said'.I mean DCF is going to have to come up with something better than their last disastrous ruling.

According to KP there are eye-witnesses to Ron abusing the children that gave their statements to DCF and DCF is investigating it.

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*
I can not believe a police office let someone who stated, she had a medical condition drive herself to the hospital with a child in the car. That is wrong. ...and yes in Florida any time a driver hits someone in the rear they are at fault. Failure to have vehicle under control. Usually if it is a fender under, I think $250.00 damage you do not have to even call the law. Driver's exchange information and it is not even reported. We are a no fault state. If the law is called, someone usually is ticketed.

i agree re the medical condition... especially IF it was a seizure (or if she told the officer it was a seizure). something's not quite right with the seizure story, imo.

according to florida rules, she would need to be seizure free for around 6 months before being allowed to drive... if she had one isolated seizure (and her eeg was normal), she would still be prohibited from driving for 3 months
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http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Family/epilepsy/Driving.html
The isolated seizure with a normal encephalogram may be reviewed at the end of three months.
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according to her family.... this was her second seizure in a short time:
Sheffield’s family says this is the [B]second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

[AlohaRainbow]

I don't doubt it for a minute.
Allegations must be proved in court. These cannot. Crystal's photos don't even show a face. How would a judge know that wasn't someone else's kid?
The judge won't accept much 'he said-she said'.
good point :)

[Magnum357]

i agree re the medical condition... especially IF it was a seizure (or if she told the officer it was a seizure). something's not quite right with the seizure story, imo.

according to florida rules, she would need to be seizure free for around 6 months before being allowed to drive... if she had one isolated seizure (and her eeg was normal), she would still be prohibited from driving for 3 months
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http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Family/epilepsy/Driving.html
The isolated seizure with a normal encephalogram may be reviewed at the end of three months.
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according to her family.... this was her second seizure in a short time:
Sheffield’s family says this is the [B]second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

She hasn't been able to do any follow up visits? Why?

She can't even take care of herself. Why would any Judge give her the responsibility of taking care of Junior.

[AlohaRainbow]

She hasn't been able to do any follow up visits? Why?

She can't even take care of herself. Why would any Judge give her the responsibility of taking care of Junior.
and IF she had a seizure (her second in as many months without any follow up medical care) and was driving with her 11 month old in the car - wouldn't that be considered child endangerment??

[Riverwalk!]

and IF she had a seizure (her second in as many months without any follow up medical care) and was driving with her 11 month old in the car - wouldn't that be considered child endangerment??

Two different "stories" about the seizure/crash

Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure before rear-ending another vehicle. They said she then drove herself of Putnam Community Medical Center.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19047874/detail.html#-

[tinkerbell]

Two different "stories" about the seizure/crash

Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure before rear-ending another vehicle. They said she then drove herself of Putnam Community Medical Center.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19047874/detail.html#-

Reports she was taken by ambulance:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

[AlohaRainbow]

Two different "stories" about the seizure/crash

Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure before rear-ending another vehicle. They said she then drove herself of Putnam Community Medical Center.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19047874/detail.html#-
i didn't mean whether she drove herself to the hosptial today (it's still monday here!)... but that the family said it was her second seizure in about 2 months and that she hadn't followd up with her doctor re the first seizure, yet she was driving with her 11 month old in the car... that's what i was referring to re child endangerment

according to florida driving rules, she should not have been driving until, at a minimum and after a review, 3 months after even an isolated seizure with a normal eeg...

[tinkerbell]

i didn't mean whether she drove herself to the hosptial today (it's still monday here!)... but that the family said it was her second seizure in about 2 months and that she hadn't followd up with her doctor re the first seizure, yet she was driving with her 11 month old in the car... that's what i was referring to re child endangerment

according to florida driving rules, she should not have been driving until, at a minimum and after a review, 3 months after even an isolated seizure with a normal eeg...

This report states that Crystal suffered from her first "seizure" 2 days before Haleigh went missing.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

"Sheffield’s family says this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance."

[AlohaRainbow]

Two different "stories" about the seizure/crash

Palatka police said Sheffield might have had some kind of seizure before rear-ending another vehicle. They said she then drove herself of Putnam Community Medical Center.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19047874/detail.html#-

i forgot to say thanks for the link :)

i haven't been following haleigh's story very closely, partly because every time i start to, i find conflicting media reports!

[tinkerbell]

I didn't totally buy into the seizure story at face value either. I would imagine that's for medical professionals to determine. Whether she's legal to drive or not is also up to medical professionals. I don't see what any of that has to do with Haleigh being missing. Whether Crystal gains legal custody of Jr. is for the courts to decide.

I wonder about the stranger abduction scenario. If it was a stranger abduction (and it may be), then why would Misty have inconsistencies in her interviews with law enforcement? That doesn't make sense.

I think if it was a stranger abduction there would be no need for inconsistencies coming from Haleigh's caregivers.

Inconsistencies in Misty's statements lead me to wonder about her maturity, how one would react during a traumatic event, and her truthfulness.

[Riverwalk!]

i didn't mean whether she drove herself to the hosptial today (it's still monday here!)... but that the family said it was her second seizure in about 2 months and that she hadn't followd up with her doctor re the first seizure, yet she was driving with her 11 month old in the car... that's what i was referring to re child endangerment

according to florida driving rules, she should not have been driving until, at a minimum and after a review, 3 months after even an isolated seizure with a normal eeg...

The link you quoted said she was taken in an ambulance.

The second link I quoted said she drove herself and was talking about the LE.

Conflicting stories YET again.

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure

This says her Father was there and she was taken by ambulance, (while other news reports say she drove herself to the hospital). It seems pretty unlikely to me that with her Father on the scene witnessing her in mid-seizure that he'd stand by idly while she drives herself and her 11 month old.

Depends if you believe her father or Palatka LE. Your choice.

[AlohaRainbow]

I didn't totally buy into the seizure story at face value either. I would imagine that's for medical professionals to determine. Whether she's legal to drive or not is also up to medical professionals. I don't see what any of that has to do with Haleigh being missing. Whether Crystal gains legal custody of Jr. is for the courts to decide.

I wonder about the stranger abduction scenario. If it was a stranger abduction (and it may be), then why would Misty have inconsistencies in her interviews with law enforcement? That doesn't make sense.

I think if it was a stranger abduction there would be no need for inconsistencies coming from Haleigh's caregivers.

imo, there are credibility issues on both (or all) sides of the fence in this case. (and that doesn't even count the media's credibility issues with all of the conflicting media reports!). as far as the issue i was focusing on tonight, crystal having seizures and driving with an 11 month old in the car after her family said she had her first seizure only about 2 months ago...

either she actually had a seizure a few months ago and "couldn't" follow up medically [i.e. her family is credible, but crystal's judgment is called into question] - in which case she shouldn't have been driving today (monday) with her 11-month old in the car... imo, that would be child endangerment, and something the judge should at least be aware of re custody issues.

or, she didn't have a prior seizure [lack of family credibility], and she did have one today, in which case, this was her first time seizure, so she didn't knowingly put her child in danger... (whether she had a license or not i don't know, although i see some posts suggesting she didn't... but imo, driving without a license isn't a child endangerment issue)

or, she never had a seizure either previously or today [lack of credibility]...

:shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

why is she driving if she had recently developed a seizure condition?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/033009haleighs_mom_seizure
Sheffield’s family says this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They tell us she suffered her first two days before Haleigh was taken. Family says she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance.
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she should have been put on anti-seizure medication, and she would have had her license suspended for a varying amount of time:

The guidelines state that, applicants and licensed drivers should be seizure free for a period of two years before being approved for licensing. If a person is under regular medical supervision, it is possible to apply for a review by the Medical Review Board after being seizure-free for six months. These guidelines apply for all types of seizures. The isolated seizure with a normal encephalogram may be reviewed at the end of three months. The Division of Driver Licenses can answer questions about specific situations and how they relate to obtaining a driver’s license.
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Family/epilepsy/Driving.html

Thanks Aloha, that's just what I expected and I'm glad you provided that link as well as your own expertise.

I can't wait to hear Kim weave and spin this tale from the road. It's similar to when her last lawyer went into court with a fairytale that would have choked Hans Christian Andersen in his day IMO.

I'm still amazed at the group of society who hold women accountable for nothing and will defend blatant lies as they seem to be lined up waiting for a cause to support IMOO. But I notice how quickly Wayanna politely ducked out, and I notice that Nancy Grace has come a long way recognizing it IMOO. That in and of itself gives me hope for the future. JMO tho. :thumbup:

I sincerely hope Crystal will now recognize the importance of the judgment calls she makes when her children are involved and I wish her good health as well. :smile: Haleigh, Junior and Chloe need all their parents and extended families to pull it together and put them first, front and center. :wub: jmo