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aproudmom

03-29-2009, 08:34 AM

Oops. Forgot the flower for little Haleigh.

:rose:

Please come home sweet girl.

Hi rosie posey..lol
thanks for the new thread
Good Morning everyone

Link just incase some want to listen to this today at 3.

Sunday March/29 at 3PM Central. Once again our major focus will be the two very sad stories out of Florida, Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings.

Our panel this week will be Simon and Jan Barrett, Ms. Pickles, crime writer Denny Griffin, and CNN regular from Sky 97.3 reporter TJ Hart.

TJ has been in the news a lot this week. Many of the stories surrounding the Haleigh Cummings disappearance have been broken by TJ Hart on Sky 97.3, and I am sure that he will have some great insights into the background of this very disturbing case.

Just point your browser at www.blogtalkradio.com a few minutes before we go on air, the show will be on the front page.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120266

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 09:14 AM

Thank you, Rosie, for starting today's thread.

Also, appreciate your answering my post on that other thread; I hope you saw my reply to you on it.

I don't expect much, if any, news about Haleigh on this normally slow news day.

The best we have to look forward to is Haleigh being found alive.

Unfortunately, I am losing hope for her safe return. Too much time has passed.

I agree Themis it is getting very scary with as much time that has passed I do pray she is found no matter what to give her family some sort of comfort. I don't even like saying that but the not knowing must be so terrible.

n/t

03-29-2009, 09:27 AM

Good Morning,

I'm still trying to understand why LE has stopped searching.

None of the tips we've received have indicated that there are areas that need to be searched any further," says Greenwood.

Are they just sitting back and waiting for tips or do they know more than they're saying? This is unacceptable, imo. If LE doesn't search then the family should step up and demand they do something. Also, why did TES leave so quickly? IIRC, Ron begged them to stay but LE wanted them out. WHY?

Haleigh needs to be found. :rose:

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 09:57 AM

I don't understand either, n/t. With the discovery of Caylee's remains so close to her house fresh in the news, you would think LE in Satsuma would do an exhaustive search for Haleigh within a certain radius of that trailer. I do not believe they have done that.

Haleigh did not just vanish into thin air, she has to be somewhere. They need to keep looking for her, imo.

Good morning everyone.

Morning Jo
I just now saw the birthday thread sorry I was a little late so happy belated B-Day:rose:

I know this is O/T but I just listened and read about the 8yr old from CA that is missing the family is searching for her and it has just been since Friday I think so I am not sure why they will not allow them to do their own searches or send someone out with volunteers just in case they did find something. I mean heck they want them to set on there butts and wait for her to walk in or what:confused:

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 10:12 AM

This is one reason I will not say JR did not see something that night. This little boy ended up helping LE and he was two-year-old. So until Haleigh is found I am not so sure they both did not see something that night. I am also bothered I never heard him during the 911 call for one with all that going on would be not have been awaken with RC screaming how could anyone not wake up most 3/4 year old would have been screaming and crying because watching their daddy looking for his sissy...:confused:jmo

The only clue as to what may have happened to Davis came from the two-year-old Blake who said: "Mommy was crying. Mommy broke the table. Mommy's in the rug."The few leads authorities have are from the statements of her two-year-old son, Blake.

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 10:19 AM

Good Morning,

I'm still trying to understand why LE has stopped searching.

Are they just sitting back and waiting for tips or do they know more than they're saying? This is unacceptable, imo. If LE doesn't search then the family should step up and demand they do something. Also, why did TES leave so quickly? IIRC, Ron begged them to stay but LE wanted them out. WHY?

Haleigh needs to be found. :rose:

Do we have any locals on here? I thought we did someone was going to the tents and taking stuff for the families just cant remember who it was. I think Tim Miller left because he was ask to by LE and he works well with LE and would never question what they are telling him usually they give him places to search.

I still want to know if they took all cell phones from the families to be checked for calls made and received.

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 10:26 AM

Thank you Mom. I agree with you, this sitting around is crazy. Kim Picazio and Crystal should be begging Tim Miller to return and search areas that have not been looked into. ronald and misty should be doing the same, imo.

Jo I wonder if they have called him? if not it is worth a try. he could even be emailed on his website I am sure. Look at the many trips he made to Aruba looking for NH.

http://texasequusearch.org/

Who To Contact
Posted on 10. Jan, 2009 by B Tarr.

Texas EquuSearch Office
4013 FM 517, Suite B Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539
Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax : (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
If you have any questions, or need to contact our organization, please contact our office at any phone number above, or email us. We promise to be prompt with our response
Tim [...]

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 10:42 AM

OK from what I see TES was only there for 4 days imo that is not long enough..This says they left on their own not sure if that is true since Tim wants to bring family members home since he lost his child also.

http://texasequusearch.org/category/missing/

Thanks to all for your search efforts for Haleigh.

It is being reported that TES was asked to leave.By the Sheriff He expressed his gratitude for all the TES has done to help in the search.

Why did TES leave?

Posted on 15. Feb, 2009 by B Tarr.

On Saturday, volunteer Jan Lawrence from Marion County, FL came to search. She started out on the foot search and worked hard at it for as long as she could. The terrain was too much, not only for Jan, but for many of us. The thick vines and undergrowth were just too much for some

Pat

03-29-2009, 10:48 AM

Thank you Mom. I agree with you, this sitting around is crazy. Kim Picazio and Crystal should be begging Tim Miller to return and search areas that have not been looked into. ronald and misty should be doing the same, imo.

Maybe at some point today Riverwalk will come on the thread and let us know if Tim will organize a search if LE specifically asks them not to (in the US, at least).

I don't have time to look for the articles, but my recall is that Ron was out with Tim on horseback just about the time the announcement was made that Eqqusearch would be leaving. IIRC, Ron didn't want Tim to pill out.

It has never been clear why they left, to my knowledge. Tim Miller said LE asked them to leave but LE denied it. I don't know why Tim Miller would lie about something like that, so I'm going with LE asked them to leave until I see otherwise.

If this was cleared up with another press conference, I missed it.

Speculation at the time was that LE asked Tim to leave because they knew what happened/where Haleigh was...obviously that wasn't the case. :sad:

destiny1

03-29-2009, 10:48 AM

I see that there is still no signs of Haleigh.

I wonder if she is dead, yet I pray that she is alive.

Either way, bring her home. Give her and little JR some peace.

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 11:01 AM

Maybe at some point today Riverwalk will come on the thread and let us know if Tim will organize a search if LE specifically asks them not to (in the US, at least).

I don't have time to look for the articles, but my recall is that Ron was out with Tim on horseback just about the time the announcement was made that Eqqusearch would be leaving. IIRC, Ron didn't want Tim to pill out.

It has never been clear why they left, to my knowledge. Tim Miller said LE asked them to leave but LE denied it. I don't know why Tim Miller would lie about something like that, so I'm going with LE asked them to leave until I see otherwise.

If this was cleared up with another press conference, I missed it.

Speculation at the time was that LE asked Tim to leave because they knew what happened/where Haleigh was...obviously that wasn't the case. :sad:

You are correct RC was on horseback while they were searching and from the website it stated that they did not ask him to leave. just that (LE)looked shocked that they were leaving. It may have been on another media site. In every case I have read the only reason he gives up that soon is when the weather is bad they are now getting ready to look for someone else but had to push it back for a week due to all the rain.

Mimi428

03-29-2009, 11:03 AM

Do we have any locals on here? I thought we did someone was going to the tents and taking stuff for the families just cant remember who it was. I think Tim Miller left because he was ask to by LE and he works well with LE and would never question what they are telling him usually they give him places to search.

I still want to know if they took all cell phones from the families to be checked for calls made and received.

There is no need for LE to take any of the cell phones. They have the ability to retrieve every tiny bit of information about each cell phone without the necessity of touching the phone. They go to the cell phone provider with a search warrant.

I have enough confidence in all the LE agencies working on this case to believe they have figured out which cell phone records to get.

JMO

destiny1

03-29-2009, 11:06 AM

There is no need for LE to take any of the cell phones. They have the ability to retrieve every tiny bit of information about each cell phone without the necessity of touching the phone. They go to the cell phone provider with a search warrant.

I have enough confidence in all the LE agencies working on this case to believe they have figured out which cell phone records to get.

JMO

On any given month, we may process over 1,000 subpoaenaed cell phone records. That is just the average in active investigations between our city and outlying parish Law enforcement agencies. That can range from anything from fraud to phone theft to murder, so it is a very common practice.

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 11:06 AM

Maybe at some point today Riverwalk will come on the thread and let us know if Tim will organize a search if LE specifically asks them not to (in the US, at least).

I don't have time to look for the articles, but my recall is that Ron was out with Tim on horseback just about the time the announcement was made that Eqqusearch would be leaving. IIRC, Ron didn't want Tim to pill out.

It has never been clear why they left, to my knowledge. Tim Miller said LE asked them to leave but LE denied it. I don't know why Tim Miller would lie about something like that, so I'm going with LE asked them to leave until I see otherwise.

If this was cleared up with another press conference, I missed it.

Speculation at the time was that LE asked Tim to leave because they knew what happened/where Haleigh was...obviously that wasn't the case. :sad:

ITA
He would give the media a reason why he was calling off the search he always has so why not in this case something is just not right IMO Tim has no reason to lie about it and if he did it in front of LE they sure would have been aware of it. Why do they not want searches makes me very angry if true:thumbdown:

n/t

03-29-2009, 11:08 AM

What about other search organizations? We keep mentioning TES but there must be others, right? And no..I don't mean KidFinders :rolleyes:

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 11:16 AM

There is no need for LE to take any of the cell phones. They have the ability to retrieve every tiny bit of information about each cell phone without the necessity of touching the phone. They go to the cell phone provider with a search warrant.

I have enough confidence in all the LE agencies working on this case to believe they have figured out which cell phone records to get.

JMO
Mimi
I sure in the heck hope you are right and I know they get warrants believe me they did for about 50 people in caylee's case. If I was the media would have been one question I would like to know. misty had one RC had one not sure about crystal but not one of them have even mentioned LE wanting to get their records it is easier to just ask the person if they can get the data off the phone. If you got nothing to hide usually people hand it right over. Most LE has their own people to get everything off the phone they don't need the records from the phone company. jmo

Mimi428

03-29-2009, 11:25 AM

Mimi
I sure in the heck hope you are right and I know they get warrants believe me they did for about 50 people in caylee's case. If I was the media would have been one question I would like to know. misty had one RC had one not sure about crystal but not one of them have even mentioned LE wanting to get their records it is easier to just ask the person if they can get the data off the phone. If you got nothing to hide usually people hand it right over. Most LE has their own people to get everything off the phone they don't need the records from the phone company. jmo

My personal hunch is that LE has no intentions whatsoever of tipping off any one of these folks to their investigation strategy. I think they probably figured out from the 1st 10 minutes that every last one of them seems to have a prior record of getting into legal trouble of one sort or another.

Why ask for the cell phones when a search warrant will hold up better in court in the first place? Why tip off your hand to Crystal, to Misty, to Ron - by letting them know that not only do you want THEIR phones - you also want Teresa's phone, the phone of GGM Sykes, the phone of Lisa Croslin?

I wish we knew more, I wish Haleigh was not still gone, but my faith has not waivered that the FBI child abduction teams know a h#ll of a lot more than any of us ever will on how to investigate a case like this.

JMO

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 11:28 AM

Peaches

03-29-2009, 11:31 AM

My personal hunch is that LE has no intentions whatsoever of tipping off any one of these folks to their investigation strategy. I think they probably figured out from the 1st 10 minutes that every last one of them seems to have a prior record of getting into legal trouble of one sort or another.

Why ask for the cell phones when a search warrant will hold up better in court in the first place? Why tip off your hand to Crystal, to Misty, to Ron - by letting them know that not only do you want THEIR phones - you also want Teresa's phone, the phone of GGM Sykes, the phone of Lisa Croslin?

I wish we knew more, I wish Haleigh was not still gone, but my faith has not waivered that the FBI child abduction teams know a h#ll of a lot more than any of us ever will on how to investigate a case like this.

JMO

I agree that those of the FBI will not be fooled by any of these players. May the guilty ones pay.

Peaches

03-29-2009, 11:34 AM

Mimi428

03-29-2009, 11:39 AM

This is just the opposite LE had to wait because they did not have her cell phone since it was on her a little different than checking the actual phone. I will ask that question until I hear they did get them the pings tell a story of who was were and when even in rural counties these days pings can be tracked. The only way someone can not get your cell pings is if it is shut off. I just want this little girl found and I feel everything should be done to make sure she is but since LE has not even said anything how does anyone know what they have or havent done in this case. not being a pain in the U know what..lol. I just want this family to have Haleigh back no matter what.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=350781
Greg and Missey Smith spent four days searching for their 18-year-old daughter because their cell-phone company wouldn’t provide data showing where her phone had traveled. When Verizon Wireless finally provided the information, police found her body within 45 minutes.

Legislative briefs | Kelsey Smith bill advances

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1083657.html

Thanks for that link, I had not seen that article. With the little excerpt you posted, I think it is pretty clear that the Kansas situation was very different than this case.

An 18-year old has the ability to take their own cell phone & leave. That is NOT the same as a 5 year old being abducted out of her home in the middle of the night.

From what little the article indicated, Verizon Wireless was NOT presented with a search warrrant. I believe there is little or no question that a situation like Haleigh's would be viewed very differently - that a search warrant would be easily obtained.

JMO

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 11:41 AM

My personal hunch is that LE has no intentions whatsoever of tipping off any one of these folks to their investigation strategy. I think they probably figured out from the 1st 10 minutes that every last one of them seems to have a prior record of getting into legal trouble of one sort or another.

Why ask for the cell phones when a search warrant will hold up better in court in the first place? Why tip off your hand to Crystal, to Misty, to Ron - by letting them know that not only do you want THEIR phones - you also want Teresa's phone, the phone of GGM Sykes, the phone of Lisa Croslin?

I wish we knew more, I wish Haleigh was not still gone, but my faith has not waivered that the FBI child abduction teams know a h#ll of a lot more than any of us ever will on how to investigate a case like this.

JMO

I said all the family I guess we look at it different for one if Haleigh is no longer with us let her not end up like caylee

I am not sure why all the bold and question marks I am giving my opinion not trying to nit pick. OK i will shut up about this just pray they have a lot more it is going on 2 months:sad:

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 11:44 AM

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 11:47 AM

Peaches

03-29-2009, 11:50 AM

Me to they would have to arrest me before they told me I could not help find my child.

YES.............I agree, I would have to be looking as long as my legs would carry me.

BTW..........someone posted that she and her mother found her brother's body because no one was looking ............ yesterday or the day before on this bb.

I see why they did this.

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 11:51 AM

Me to they would have to arrest me before they told me I could not help find my child.Do you know what LE said about not searching?

Sorry if this has been discussed already, I wasn't here yesterday and have apparently missed a lot.

TIA, if you know...no problem if you don't. :smile:

Mimi428

03-29-2009, 11:55 AM

I think LE knows much more than they're saying. I also wish they weren't so tight-lipped about this case but have to accept that they know what they're doing.

If I were the parent or grandparent of a missing child, I no doubt would feel differently and would probably disregard LE's request and search anyway.

I tend to think I would do the same thing, but then I have to stop & think about how that could be specifically done. Here's what I mean -

Let's say you are standing right outside the back door of the MH. Which direction do you go to first? Whichever way you choose to go, there are 359 degrees of direction you AREN'T choosing. If the news articles are correct, a 5-mile area surrounding the house was already searched.

I think it is easy to say we would search & easy to say we think they should search, but I think when you get right down into the little logistics of it, it becomes much more difficult to figure out where to start, what direction to go in. And then there are the secondary details of how to map out where you have been, so you don't cover the same area over & over & yet miss another section 50 yards away, etc.

JMO

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 11:58 AM

Thanks for that link, I had not seen that article. With the little excerpt you posted, I think it is pretty clear that the Kansas situation was very different than this case.

An 18-year old has the ability to take their own cell phone & leave. That is NOT the same as a 5 year old being abducted out of her home in the middle of the night.

From what little the article indicated, Verizon Wireless was NOT presented with a search warrrant. I believe there is little or no question that a situation like Haleigh's would be viewed very differently - that a search warrant would be easily obtained.

JMO

OK I got it ok I said I was just wondering if they got them or even ask for them and I must disagree if they are ask on tape or sign that they are allowing them to get all data off the
phone they give permission then no warrant needed May have to get one for the phone company to record the pings... K mimi I got your side. I know Haleigh did not have one but maybe the person that took her did. JMO

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 12:02 PM

Do you know what LE said about not searching?

Sorry if this has been discussed already, I wasn't here yesterday and have apparently missed a lot.

TIA, if you know...no problem if you don't. :smile:

I am not real sure I am fighting bronchitis so was not on to much yesterday I did see some talking about it but nothing on a link to confirm they told them not to do any searches.:confused:

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 12:04 PM

I tend to think I would do the same thing, but then I have to stop & think about how that could be specifically done. Here's what I mean -

Let's say you are standing right outside the back door of the MH. Which direction do you go to first? Whichever way you choose to go, there are 359 degrees of direction you AREN'T choosing. If the news articles are correct, a 5-mile area surrounding the house was already searched.

I think it is easy to say we would search & easy to say we think they should search, but I think when you get right down into the little logistics of it, it becomes much more difficult to figure out where to start, what direction to go in. And then there are the secondary details of how to map out where you have been, so you don't cover the same area over & over & yet miss another section 50 yards away, etc.

JMOI see what you're saying. Mimi and as I was typing my post that very thought popped in my head...iow, I would have no clue where to begin. So I guess I would contact people that do know how to search.

This is why I asked what exactly LE said and to who. Are all efforts to search prohibited and how do they enforce that?

What if someone accidently stumbles onto something and then contacts LE? Are they subject to prosecution for seaching?

Again, I apologize if this has been gone over. I tried to read yesterdays thread but gave up because I am tired of the same stuff, different day, about Cobra, lol.

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 12:07 PM

I am not real sure I am fighting bronchitis so was not on to much yesterday I did see some talking about it but nothing on a link to confirm they told them not to do any searches.:confused:ACK! Nasty stuff, bronchitis.

Get well soon!!

aproudmom

03-29-2009, 12:13 PM

I tend to think I would do the same thing, but then I have to stop & think about how that could be specifically done. Here's what I mean -

Let's say you are standing right outside the back door of the MH. Which direction do you go to first? Whichever way you choose to go, there are 359 degrees of direction you AREN'T choosing. If the news articles are correct, a 5-mile area surrounding the house was already searched.

I think it is easy to say we would search & easy to say we think they should search, but I think when you get right down into the little logistics of it, it becomes much more difficult to figure out where to start, what direction to go in. And then there are the secondary details of how to map out where you have been, so you don't cover the same area over & over & yet miss another section 50 yards away, etc.

JMO

Oh you can sure bet I would beg people to go out and search even research some areas LE already searched they are human and could have missed something just cause they are LE does not mean they don't make mistakes or miss something. If I recall they were going to set up grids when they searched. I am family to state police a sheriff and local police and I know they are far from perfect.

Pat

03-29-2009, 12:19 PM

Do you know what LE said about not searching?

Sorry if this has been discussed already, I wasn't here yesterday and have apparently missed a lot.

TIA, if you know...no problem if you don't. :smile:

From what I could tell, the primary reason is because searcher might stumble on meth labs or other illegal activities.

There was speculation about finding evidence, which would be compromised and unusable in court, as well as the planting of "evidence" which would point to a specific person.

LE focused on the safety issue. Given the number of hikers who have been killed in the California National Forests because they inadvertently stumbled across illegal labs/marijuana plots, I can see their point.

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 12:26 PM

KKKKKKatie

03-29-2009, 12:31 PM

From what I could tell, the primary reason is because searcher might stumble on meth labs or other illegal activities.

There was speculation about finding evidence, which would be compromised and unusable in court, as well as the planting of "evidence" which would point to a specific person.

LE focused on the safety issue. Given the number of hikers who have been killed in the California National Forests because they inadvertently stumbled across illegal labs/marijuana plots, I can see their point.

Morning Pat~

Then why not assist civilians in a search? I can't believe that in the few days they had searches that they covered every inch in the surrounding area. All we have to do is look to the Caylee case to see how things can be overlooked.

I just don't get it....unless LE has a pretty good idea of what happened and they have ruled out her being in the area. IMO

Mimi428

03-29-2009, 12:40 PM

I see what you're saying. Mimi and as I was typing my post that very thought popped in my head...iow, I would have no clue where to begin. So I guess I would contact people that do know how to search.

This is why I asked what exactly LE said and to who. Are all efforts to search prohibited and how do they enforce that?

What if someone accidently stumbles onto something and then contacts LE? Are they subject to prosecution for seaching?

Again, I apologize if this has been gone over. I tried to read yesterdays thread but gave up because I am tired of the same stuff, different day, about Cobra, lol.

Don't apologize - it's all good.

I forgot to add one other thing that I think is also relevant. Any search done by individuals can only be done on public property. You cannot root around on someone else's property without their permission. Meth lab or no meth lab - I can see how one person or another might take great exception to a bunch of strangers roaming around on their property, looking here, looking there, looking everywhere.

JMO

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 12:59 PM

Don't apologize - it's all good.

I forgot to add one other thing that I think is also relevant. Any search done by individuals can only be done on public property. You cannot root around on someone else's property without their permission. Meth lab or no meth lab - I can see how one person or another might take great exception to a bunch of strangers roaming around on their property, looking here, looking there, looking everywhere.

JMOYes, trespassing. Good point.

I just listened to the GR show that was posted on the Links thread. I'm more convinced than ever that LE knows much more than they're saying and doesn't want any future indictments compromised.

kitty1182

03-29-2009, 01:07 PM

I hope we hear something soon....

sunstar

03-29-2009, 02:11 PM

Morning Pat~

Then why not assist civilians in a search? I can't believe that in the few days they had searches that they covered every inch in the surrounding area. All we have to do is look to the Caylee case to see how things can be overlooked.

I just don't get it....unless LE has a pretty good idea of what happened and they have ruled out her being in the area. IMO
Good afternoon! :seeya: I think this is what LE believes, that she was taken out of the area, or at least she's not close to the house. I thought they did go through the woods near the house, and beyond that they just might not have a real clue where to search? :shrug: I also agree about private search parties not being able to go anywhere they want to. MOO

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 02:22 PM

Do we have any locals on here? I thought we did someone was going to the tents and taking stuff for the families just cant remember who it was. I think Tim Miller left because he was ask to by LE and he works well with LE and would never question what they are telling him usually they give him places to search.

I still want to know if they took all cell phones from the families to be checked for calls made and received.

I don't think they have to take the cell phones. They have to get the records from the cell phone carrier, which I'm sure they have done. If they have received any input from the CA investigators, they most likely told them they needed to do so if they didn't know it own their own. JMO

sunstar

03-29-2009, 02:24 PM

I don't think they have to take the cell phones. They have to get the records from the cell phone carrier, which I'm sure they have done. JMO

I agree they can go from the records, and by the pings from the cell towers. I'm wondering where the nearest tower is to the mobile home and what the radius is ~ such as if Misty's records show she went anywhere that night, or how far she could've gone and still look like she was at home?

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 02:31 PM

MrLucky917B

03-29-2009, 02:31 PM

I agree they can go from the records, and by the pings from the cell towers. I'm wondering where the nearest tower is to the mobile home and what the radius is ~ such as if Misty's records show she went anywhere that night, or how far she could've gone and still look like she was at home?

The pings would only narrow it down to a 5 mile radius, the pings could have been hitting a tower on the other side of the St John's River.

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 02:35 PM

The pings would only narrow it down to a 5 mile radius, the pings could have been hitting a tower on the other side of the St John's River.

I'm thinking the pings could be used, but more importantly it would verify if Misty had contact with the person that is being floated around. If LE has been able to verify this fact to be true, seems to me they would be on both of them like butter on bread. JMO

sunstar

03-29-2009, 02:35 PM

The pings would only narrow it down to a 5 mile radius, the pings could have been hitting a tower on the other side of the St John's River.

thanks so much ~ I wasn't sure where the towers are around there or what their radius is. I guess that doesn't help much, unless she went further than 5 mi. :sad: I still wonder about that guy, "WBG" who could've been over to the house though.

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 02:38 PM

Did anyone catch CS's addition of another tidbit from JR. She said he was afraid someone was going to come out of the wall and get him. Made me wonder if that was about the hole that was around the water heater. JMOThat was from last night's GR interview and Crystal was talking about what he said when he was at the Haleighbug Foundation recently.

It's not an "addition" to what they claim jr said about the night Haleigh went missing.

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 02:41 PM

It appears Ron is setting up a Find Haleigh Board of his own.

Under construction with an opening planned for April 2nd.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

I quickly perused that link and did not see anything about web page, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. I guess a web page is good for people that already know to keep track of anything new that is happening. I wonder how much it helps find a missing person. Most people would already know a lot of information about an incident before they would even look for a web page. JMO

teresa

03-29-2009, 02:47 PM

N/T

Excellent thoughts. I would love to know why TES was sent on their way.

Praying for leads that HaLeigh will be found.

This is what Tim said when they left:

"The hardest thing about our organization is for every person involved to put this kind of effort into it and walk away empty-handed," Equuasearch founder Tim Miller said Sunday night. "It's heart-breaking, it truly is. But you what? When you look at the whole picture, we did everything right. Our hearts were here, our compassion was here, we was focused on what we was doing -- she just isn't here."

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18720393/detail.html

I still don't know why he said they...what does he know? I could never figure out if he meant she isn't in the five mile area they searched or if she isn't in the area period. It's just a strange comment.

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 02:52 PM

On GR last night, did anyone say much about Haleigh or was most of it about the dirt that had supposedly been dug up about RC? I got in on the very end of the show. JMO

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 02:54 PM

If you scroll down to Ron's Press Release the information is there.

moo

Thanks. Found it! Searched for April. JMO

teresa

03-29-2009, 02:55 PM

?? From the same article I just posted:

"While a warrant is out for the arrest of Chad Reynolds, Ryan said deputies checked out reports that the offender had connections or family ties in Putnam County and found them unfounded."

Whatever does that mean? Chad Reynolds went to high school in Putnam Co, he committed his crime there and his grandparent's live there. Was LE that out of it early on? I know they since "uncleared" him along with cousin Joe but why did they ever say that?

MrLucky917B

03-29-2009, 03:03 PM

I'm thinking the pings could be used, but more importantly it would verify if Misty had contact with the person that is being floated around. If LE has been able to verify this fact to be true, seems to me they would be on both of them like butter on bread. JMO

Since LE isn't saying anything other then they have interviewed the person there isn't any way to figure out what they know or don't know.
Just because there might be a call to this person the night Haleigh disappeared wouldn't mean he is involved in anything.

teresa

03-29-2009, 03:07 PM

It appears Ron is setting up a Find Haleigh Board of his own.

Under construction with an opening planned for April 2nd.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

Meadow, do I have to listen to one of the audios's to hear that?

Reading that again made me wonder about Kim P's timeline. I wonder if it is possible that Greg came to see Misty and admits to LE that he was there until about 10:30. IF he passed his LDT to that, Kim's timeline would make sense. What if she talked to him or let him in through the back/side door and then forgot to lock it?

I wish we knew what Kim knows or thinks that LE isn't talking about with their 7:00 timeline.

ETA: I see the website info...right under my nose!

MrLucky917B

03-29-2009, 03:09 PM

This is what Tim said when they left:

"The hardest thing about our organization is for every person involved to put this kind of effort into it and walk away empty-handed," Equuasearch founder Tim Miller said Sunday night. "It's heart-breaking, it truly is. But you what? When you look at the whole picture, we did everything right. Our hearts were here, our compassion was here, we was focused on what we was doing -- she just isn't here."

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18720393/detail.html

I still don't know why he said they...what does he know? I could never figure out if he meant she isn't in the five mile area they searched or if she isn't in the area period. It's just a strange comment.

I agree it was a strange comment. Look at the places that were searched after he left including the dumpster and the stretch on HWY 17 that would have been in the 5 mile radius. Why weren't they searched before.

JMO

5boxersmom

03-29-2009, 03:11 PM

Checking in. I had a dream Haleigh was found. Wish it was true.

imo

teresa

03-29-2009, 03:16 PM

I agree it was a strange comment. Look at the places that were searched after he left including the dumpster and the stretch on HWY 17 that would have been in the 5 mile radius. Why weren't they searched before.

JMO

I know MrLucky! It makes me think they know she was taken somewhere. I think that search was maybe due to the van/Cousin Joe theory but in all honesty, I don't have a clue what is going on.

I just hope LE does. I don't have it in me to believe that the state of FL LE and the FBI don't have any idea what is going on. I think they do and are just trying to prove it at this point. I hope.

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 03:16 PM

Since LE isn't saying anything other then they have interviewed the person there isn't any way to figure out what they know or don't know.
Just because there might be a call to this person the night Haleigh disappeared wouldn't mean he is involved in anything.

I didn't mean to imply he was involved in anything. Even if Misty left the house and met someone, doesn't mean she was involved in the disappearance. If she was not involved in the disappearance, but if she left the children home alone she would at least be negligent. JMO

sunstar

03-29-2009, 03:28 PM

I didn't mean to imply he was involved in anything. Even if Misty left the house and met someone, doesn't mean she was involved in the disappearance. If she was not involved in the disappearance, but if she left the children home alone she would at least be negligent. JMO

To me, that would mean someone had been watching the house, and took advantage of an opportunity ~ somewhat like Couey did. MOO

5boxersmom

03-29-2009, 03:40 PM

To me, that would mean someone had been watching the house, and took advantage of an opportunity ~ somewhat like Couey did. MOO

That is what I wonder about. Makes me sick how bold some of these SO are.

So is Crystal's attorney's theory that Misty left the house or that she had someone there? Or both?

imo

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 03:43 PM

That is what I wonder about. Makes me sick how bold some of these SO are.

So is Crystal's attorney's theory that Misty left the house or that she had someone there? Or both?

imo

It's hard to understand what her agenda is. She says that they are only having LE and DCS investigate to see if there is abuse. Seems like they are gathering information about abuse more than looking for Haleigh. JMO

sunstar

03-29-2009, 03:44 PM

That is what I wonder about. Makes me sick how bold some of these SO are.

So is Crystal's attorney's theory that Misty left the house or that she had someone there? Or both?

imo

It is scary to think that somebody could've been lurking, and waiting for the right time. As for Misty, I've gotten the impression that both those theories are in play with Kim P., but the focus seems to be on alleged abuse. :shrug:

sunstar

03-29-2009, 04:11 PM

Do we know if FBI is still on this case?

I have to say, I am not sure LE has any clues. I hate to even think this way, but imo if LE had anything Haleigh would have already been found. Also, they have to know with each passing day if Haleigh is not alive that until they find her little body, evidence is leaving daily, by weather, etc. So, if she is found and she is not alive I want to see this person PAY FOR IT. I do not want evidence gone!

I hope and pray that Haleigh is found alive, but with each day I just lose more hope.

My point to the above is I am disappointed that more searches are not being done. At least searches that I am aware of.

I still think LE should have let the search this weekend happen. Adults have the right to search if they want to IMO.

MOO

This seems to be the latest confirmation about the FBI.

“We’re still looking at inconsistencies,” a top law enforcement source told me, as the task force of federal, state and local police try to figure who’s telling the truth in their search for what they hope will be a little girl who’s still alive.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 04:16 PM

It's hard to understand what her agenda is. She says that they are only having LE and DCS investigate to see if there is abuse. Seems like they are gathering information about abuse more than looking for Haleigh. JMObold mine

Her "agenda" is representing her client, Crystal Sheffield. I don't see what's hard to understand about that. It's her job.

I'm sure she is working on the abuse allegations, as her atty, why wouldn't she? Crystal wants custody of jr because she feels jr is in danger staying with Ron and Misty. Nothing hard to understand here either, imo.

She is also being approached by what she claims are eye-witness acounts of Ronald's abusive behavior and involvement with drugs.

She's only doing her job.

5boxersmom

03-29-2009, 04:31 PM

sunstar

03-29-2009, 04:43 PM

5boxersmom

03-29-2009, 04:51 PM

The only connection I can think of to helping find Haleigh, would be if the perp was some big-time drug dealer who kidnapped Haleigh as payback. It seems the accusations are being thrown out there to totally make Ron look like an unfit parent, which would go to the custody issue. MOO

Yep. I don't know about the drug dealer thing. I don't think they would draw this much attention to themselves by kidnapping a child and if they did when the media showed up I would think they would have just dropped her off somewhere.

Also Ron having a job like his I don't think he was dealing to much. Doesn't look like there was much money.

But who knows. This is one strange case.

imo

sunstar

03-29-2009, 04:54 PM

Yep. I don't know about the drug dealer thing. I don't think they would draw this much attention to themselves by kidnapping a child and if they did when the media showed up I would think they would have just dropped her off somewhere.

Also Ron having a job like his I don't think he was dealing to much. Doesn't look like there was much money.

But who knows. This is one strange case.

imo

I don't think it was a drug dealer either, and if was for payback, why not leave her body somewhere it would be easily found, or at least found by now. Between the lack of new information, and the allegations coming from CS, it's hard to know what to think anymore. MOO

teresa

03-29-2009, 05:19 PM

With all the allegations flying around and with DCF investigating couldn't they have removed JR by now if things were proven to be true?

I did notice last night on GR Crystal said Meth also. I had never heard the Meth accusations before. And no I do not believe this is helping to find Haleigh.

imo

It's not helping. If Crystal's allegations are true, she should just keep Jr when her visitation comes and then get brought before the judge. You don't withdraw from drugs like meth easily and if they can prove this, no judge would leave Jr there.

IF these allegations are not true, I hope RC enjoys living in Kim P's nice home someday. I can't believe that any lawyer would go on TV with these allegations. It does nothing to help Haleigh or Jr. They say they are letting DCF handle it but they show up in front of any camera available. I blame Kim P for this and I think she is using Crystal for her own ends.

Pat

03-29-2009, 05:28 PM

The link to the Art Harris piece is:

Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil

The piece is filled with his claims about what Ron said, what Misty would not do, but there isn't any follow-up where Harris gets the information from the horse's mouth. Since watching the grandstanding he did on the TN video, I don't believe a thing this person says. He's inserted himself in this case in hopes of getting himself on TV ala Padilla on Nancy grace and was brought in by Kim.

The article is about Cobra. A person who admits "lower-level" LE have no love for his interference and have said they will arrest him for hindering an investigation.

Art Harris is a gossip site.

MO

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 05:39 PM

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

There is a recap of RC's arrest's on the above site. Are those all of the ones that are listed on the official court record site? JMO

forensicfan

03-29-2009, 06:16 PM

I found this interesting. Wasn't a red jeep mentioned in this case too?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511333,00.html

It's 3 1/2 hours south of Satsuma.

MrLucky917B

03-29-2009, 06:25 PM

I found this interesting. Wasn't a red jeep mentioned in this case too?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511333,00.html

It's 3 1/2 hours south of Satsuma.

I think the red vehicle was mentioned in connection with the sighting in Tennessee

MrLucky917B

03-29-2009, 06:27 PM

I tried to tune in but my comp kept crashing. Did you get to listen? TJ Hart must have been interesting.

It was very interesting...

bama__angel

03-29-2009, 06:28 PM

Stupid Question.......... When DCF and LE finish this investigation about the "abuse" will the public find out the ruling? TIA

If this has already been posted, my apologies to all.....Just read on Foxnews.com.....An amber alert has been issued for a 12 year old girl in Satsuma, Florida...... Sarah Norton....may be with a 45- 50 year old man who drives a red jeep......

sunstar

03-29-2009, 06:33 PM

If this has already been posted, my apologies to all.....Just read on Foxnews.com.....An amber alert has been issued for a 12 year old girl in Satsuma, Florida...... Sarah Norton....may be with a 45- 50 year old man who drives a red jeep......

OMG :scared: thanks for the heads up.

eta ~ I just went to Foxnews.com and it says she was last seen in Bradenton.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511333,00.html

MrLucky917B

03-29-2009, 06:33 PM

If this has already been posted, my apologies to all.....Just read on Foxnews.com.....An amber alert has been issued for a 12 year old girl in Satsuma, Florida...... Sarah Norton....may be with a 45- 50 year old man who drives a red jeep......

I don't know why it said Satsuma because the girl is missing from the Tampa bay area.

MrLucky917B

03-29-2009, 06:39 PM

Are you going to share? :biggrin:

They mentioned that Cobra was told by a low ranking LE to stop investigating or else he will be arrested, also that TES because it was an abduction. Is there a difference between an abduction and a kidnapping?

MrLucky917B

03-29-2009, 06:41 PM

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/973601.html

This article says Brandenton. Isn't that Broward County?

Just south over the bridge from St Petersburg.

sunstar

03-29-2009, 06:41 PM

I don't know why it said Satsuma because the girl is missing from the Tampa bay area.

I'm totally confused about that too. Before I read the article I thought there might be some connection to Haleigh's disappearance. :sad:

TxLady2

03-29-2009, 06:42 PM

Oh, dear Lord!! Not another young girl!! I pray that they will find her before it's too late!

I've racked my brain trying to figure out why LE won't say anything on the HC case, and why they will not officially clear anybody. I hope they know more than they are saying, otherwise this case is going cold. If it were not for the abuse allegations and the custody issue, we would have nothing to talk about.

I don't think either one of the parents had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance, and Misty probably didn't either. But I do wonder if she and Ron know more than they have said, too.

I pray every day for Haleigh as well as all the missing kids.

sunstar

03-29-2009, 06:42 PM

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/973601.html

This article says Brandenton. Isn't that Broward County?

The Fox article says to call the Manatee Co. Sheriff's Office.

Themis

03-29-2009, 06:52 PM

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/973601.html

This article says Brandenton. Isn't that Broward County?
According to my map, Bradenton is on the Gulf Coast in between St. Petersburg and Sarasota ... not even near Satsuma.

Pat

03-29-2009, 06:53 PM

They mentioned that Cobra was told by a low ranking LE to stop investigating or else he will be arrested, also that TES because it was an abduction. Is there a difference between an abduction and a kidnapping?

I did a quick search.

One says it is the criminal act of capturing and carrying away by force a family member.

Several others say the words are interchangeable.

kitty1182

03-29-2009, 06:54 PM

They mentioned that Cobra was told by a low ranking LE to stop investigating or else he will be arrested, also that TES because it was an abduction. Is there a difference between an abduction and a kidnapping?

I am so confused about LE not wanting any searching done and no one else investigating....Seems to me like they would want all the help they could get to find this child....
:confused:

Kidnapping....Anyone?
Abduction..Family member?

Beats me......

kitty1182

03-29-2009, 06:58 PM

My husband thinks this is just a money thing, to make some money and that she is somewhere ok....
I hope this is true...

sunstar

03-29-2009, 06:58 PM

According to my map, Bradenton is on the Gulf Coast in between St. Petersburg and Sarasota ... not even near Satsuma.

Just wanted to add without going o/t that the girl in the article has been found, safe. I'm not providing a new link since it isn't related to Haleigh's disappearance. :smile:

teresa

03-29-2009, 07:10 PM

MrLucky917B

03-29-2009, 07:17 PM

Shoot...my attention wandered. I'm listening to a replay and TJ was saying something about the heat being really turned up by Wed or Thurs of this week. MrLucky, do you remember what this was in reference to?

I think I missed that part, was it before or after the guy from Florida asked about why did TES leave..

teresa

03-29-2009, 07:24 PM

I think I missed that part, was it before or after the guy from Florida asked about why did TES leave..

It was before that. I've had to pause for a little while and haven't heard that yet. I can't figure out a way to go back without starting all over.

TJ also said that Crystal filing that false report about her car being stolen is very common in the drug trade. I don't know what that means?? Do they come and take your car until you pay your debt? That doesn't sound reasonable. This is just strange.

He also said Cobra ran into Greg at the Citgo Thurs and Greg was scared of him and that Greg is hiding out at his mom's to avoid the police if I heard correctly. I thought TJ already said once the police have questioned him. I can't imagine the police haven't checked his mom's address!

SleepyHallow

03-29-2009, 07:47 PM

Hi, I'm new here so I apologize if this has already been mentioned. There's so much to read, but I have such a strong feeling that Haleigh was gone long before Misty claims to have woken up and found her missing and that the 911 call timing w/Ron arriving home from work is just a huge cover up. I don't know if Ron hurt Haleigh in a fit of anger earlier in the night (or Misty), but has anyone else thought this?

KKKKKKatie

03-29-2009, 07:49 PM

SleepyHallow

03-29-2009, 07:51 PM

Welcome to the boards Sleepy :seeya:

We have talked about it but LE seems to be confident that Ron was at work and Haleigh was seen by others after he left for work IMO

Thanks for the welcome Katie. I knew I wouldn't be the first to think of this :mellow::mellow:but I still feel the timing of the 911 call was planned. It is just a feeling, not based on anything I heard, but a feeling I can't seem to shake.

sunstar

03-29-2009, 07:54 PM

Thanks for the welcome Katie. I knew I wouldn't be the first to think of this :mellow::mellow:but I still feel the timing of the 911 call was planned. It is just a feeling, not based on anything I heard, but a feeling I can't seem to shake.

Welcome :seeya: I too find it coincidental that, of all nights, she had to get up to use the bathroom just before he was due home, when Ron himself said she usually wasn't up. I think there's a lot more we don't know, and as LE said, Misty is the "key" to it all. MOO

KKKKKKatie

03-29-2009, 07:54 PM

Thanks for the welcome Katie. I knew I wouldn't be the first to think of this :mellow::mellow:but I still feel the timing of the 911 call was planned. It is just a feeling, not based on anything I heard, but a feeling I can't seem to shake.

This case is a really hard one.....LE is telling us so little that it just leads to all sorts of thoughts about it IMO

I wish they would tell us something..anything
:cursing:

RainyNiteNTx

03-29-2009, 08:01 PM

Welcome to the boards Sleepy :seeya:

We have talked about it but LE seems to be confident that Ron was at work and Haleigh was seen by others after he left for work IMO

Wonder why LE will not rule Ron out, but is confident and satisfied that he was at work? That can certainly be verified and I'm sure it has been. If LE would just start ruling out SOME people, that would help IMO.

KKKKKKatie

03-29-2009, 08:04 PM

Wonder why LE will not rule Ron out, but is confident and satisfied that he was at work? That can certainly be verified and I'm sure it has been. If LE would just start ruling out SOME people, that would help IMO.

Not sure why he isn't ruled out. Unless they think he could be involved for "other" reasons and he just isn't talking?

It sure would help if they ruled someone out Rainy! Would help to put the focus where is should be and not so divided.

Pat

03-29-2009, 08:06 PM

Would someone who listened to the program give their impression on what TJ Hart was saying at the end when opinions were asked about what each participant thought had happened? One woman feels it is an abduction by a child predator.

Before I express what I think TJ Hart was saying (and I listened twice), I would like someone else's interpretation.

His take on why attorneys are working on these kinds of cases pro bono was interesting. Five hours of national television exposure, regardless of how it turns out for your client...money can't by that. I always felt that was why Geragos inserted himself into the Scott Peterson case, and IMO, it blew up in his face.

(You can somewhat control what part of the interview you want to listen to by putting your cursor over the area showing the progress of the interview and moving the hand back and forth. I seem to remember it buffered twice.)

Pat

03-29-2009, 08:07 PM

In one article that I read LE states that they do not know when the crime took place or what the crime was, so maybe that's why they have not ruled him out yet.

TJ Hart said on the program Ron passed the polygraph. I don't know where this information came from.

sunstar

03-29-2009, 08:18 PM

In one article that I read LE states that they do not know when the crime took place or what the crime was, so maybe that's why they have not ruled him out yet.

They seem to have narrowed it down though to hours when he was at work, and Haleigh was seen by her great grandmother that evening. :shrug:

emdragon

03-29-2009, 08:31 PM

Welcome :seeya: I too find it coincidental that, of all nights, she had to get up to use the bathroom just before he was due home, when Ron himself said she usually wasn't up. I think there's a lot more we don't know, and as LE said, Misty is the "key" to it all. MOO

Isn't it possible Misti often got up around that time to use the BR but was back in bed asleep by the time Ron got home? I mean every other night she wouldn't have been completely woken up by a child being missing.

RainyNiteNTx

03-29-2009, 08:36 PM

well why hasn't crystal been ruled out but they are confident she was at her house two hours away??

Oh I agree - why can't LE rule out anybody but are satisfied with their alibis?

teresa

03-29-2009, 08:39 PM

sunstar

03-29-2009, 08:40 PM

so far everything about this case has made me :shrug:
Is seems more things that are reported the LESS we actually know :confused:

Oh I know ~ and agree. I just hope that LE does have some idea what happened to Haleigh and they're just not telling us.

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 08:42 PM

Isn't it possible Misti often got up around that time to use the BR but was back in bed asleep by the time Ron got home? I mean every other night she wouldn't have been completely woken up by a child being missing.Anything's possible but, imo, that's very unlikely.

LE won't rule anyone out, won't say if there are any persons of interest, but they did say that Misty is the key to what happened that night.

sunstar

03-29-2009, 08:43 PM

Isn't it possible Misti often got up around that time to use the BR but was back in bed asleep by the time Ron got home? I mean every other night she wouldn't have been completely woken up by a child being missing.

That's so true, she could've had to get up every night, but I just haven't completely ruled her out as knowing a whole lot more than she's said. MOO

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 08:45 PM

Pat, I think he was talking about an angle he is working on (I think he said working on) about children sold for porn.Is it too late to listen to the program? Is it archived somewhere? I looked at the link on the first page of the thread but couldn't find anything about Haleigh or TJ Hart.

Pat

03-29-2009, 08:46 PM

Is it too late to listen to the program? Is it archived somewhere? I looked at the link on the first page of the thread but couldn't find anything about Haleigh or TJ Hart.

It is. That's how I found it. Let me go back and figure out how I got to it. BRB.

kitty1182

03-29-2009, 08:52 PM

That's so true, she could've had to get up every night, but I just haven't completely ruled her out as knowing a whole lot more than she's said. MOO

I think she knows a whole lot more too...

Pat

03-29-2009, 08:52 PM

Go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/

Go to Categories, click on News

Caylee/Haleigh is the first program listed

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 08:55 PM

Go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/

Go to Categories, click on News

Caylee/Haleigh is the first program listedThank you Pat! I hated to miss it but was busy when it was on.

Riverwalk!

03-29-2009, 08:57 PM

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

Radio calls in Haleigh search released

teresa

03-29-2009, 08:57 PM

Is it too late to listen to the program? Is it archived somewhere? I looked at the link on the first page of the thread but couldn't find anything about Haleigh or TJ Hart.

It should be the first one here. If not, search for Haleigh Cummings and then most recent.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/Haleigh%20Cummings/archives/mostrecent/_/_/_/_/0/

Pat

03-29-2009, 08:58 PM

Pat, I think he was talking about an angle he is working on (I think he said working on) about children sold for porn.

I'm going back to listen again...it was at the very end of the program (for anyone else who is interest, and the link is up a few posts).

That was not what I took away from what I heard. Was this at the very end where the host asked the participants their opinion of what they thought happened?

teresa

03-29-2009, 09:04 PM

I'm going back to listen again...it was at the very end of the program (for anyone else who is interest, and the link is up a few posts).

That was not what I took away from what I heard. Was this at the very end where the host asked the participants their opinion of what they thought happened?

I thought so. The other man said he doesn't think is was a drug related kidnapping because the penalties are too high and there is no upside for the dealer. TJ said he wouldn't give an opinion because he is a reporter and that isn't his job. That's the best I think I heard. I have new speakers sitting here and I really need to hook them up.

Was there something else after he thanked them all? I cut it off then.

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 09:05 PM

It should be the first one here. If not, search for Haleigh Cummings and then most recent.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/Haleigh%20Cummings/archives/mostrecent/_/_/_/_/0/Thanks. I'm listening to it now.

teresa

03-29-2009, 09:05 PM

http://haleighshope.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hope24&action=display&thread=29&page=12

Ron told LE Haleigh's shoes were in the house. Does this mean Haleigh only had one pair of shoes? Odd.
I have often wondered about this comment of Ron's.
moo

Have you looked at all the pictures of her? Does she look like she's hurting for clothes and shoes?

Politigal

03-29-2009, 09:11 PM

Has anyone else noticed the influx of new readers/posters *after* Kim Picazio began representing Crystal?

IMO, she has people working the board.

teresa

03-29-2009, 09:12 PM

I have, that's why I thought Ron's response was strange. Did he have time to notice all her shoes were there before LE arrived?

moo

I thought this was after the dogs arrived?

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 09:13 PM

Has anyone else noticed the influx of new readers/posters *after* Kim Picazio began representing Crystal?

IMO, she has people working the board.To what end? :confused:

teresa

03-29-2009, 09:16 PM

Has anyone else noticed the influx of new readers/posters *after* Kim Picazio began representing Crystal?

IMO, she has people working the board.

I believe that without a doubt. I don't know why...it's not like blogs and message boards are going to sway a judge. TJ Hart said today that the pictures from Kim P have been discredited and that every time DCF has been called on RC, they've not found any reason to take the kids away. I could be wrong and the national pressure will get to DCF and a judge but I think the fact that Haleigh is missing would make them be very careful in this investigation even without all the internet rumors.

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 09:25 PM

I believe that without a doubt. I don't know why...it's not like blogs and message boards are going to sway a judge. TJ Hart said today that the pictures from Kim P have been discredited and that every time DCF has been called on RC, they've not found any reason to take the kids away. I could be wrong and the national pressure will get to DCF and a judge but I think the fact that Haleigh is missing would make them be very careful in this investigation even without all the internet rumors.bold mine

Why do you believe that?

Imo, it's unfair to raise suspicions like that about new posters.

odyssey

03-29-2009, 09:27 PM

I see.. could be! Do you think the 12 year old who was missing (and found) earlier is related to any of this?

I agree, I definitely have to wonder what's going on in Florida.

seems kinda old but will have to see if there is any more news about her/the incident over the next few days.

jmoo

teresa

03-29-2009, 09:28 PM

bold mine

Why do you believe that?

Imo, it's unfair to raise suspicions like that about new posters.

I didn't mean on this site. I haven't seen anyone here who has made me think that. Sorry, I should have been more clear.

sunstar

03-29-2009, 09:34 PM

I have, that's why I thought Ron's response was strange. Did he have time to notice all her shoes were there before LE arrived?

moo

Maybe the pair that she wore the most, or would've been most convenient to put on, were still where she left them?

cat3

03-29-2009, 09:34 PM

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

Radio calls in Haleigh search released

Thanks for the link.Sounds like LE was on top of it.Stopping vehicles before they could leave the area,getting a boat in the water,having a chopper in the air,canine,and checking on when the train last went through on the tracks.The only thing I noticed was a dispatcher? saying Haleigh? was last seen at residence an hour to an hour 1/2 ago,if they were talking of Haleigh and not another run going on at the same time.Could be a mis-communication on the dispatchers? part.IMO

Pat

03-29-2009, 09:38 PM

I didn't mean on this site. I haven't seen anyone here who has made me think that. Sorry, I should have been more clear.

I think some of our "new" posters are actually back with new nics. :laugh:

Did you catch where TJ said "Cobra" is now being represented by Art Harris?

teresa

03-29-2009, 09:41 PM

Sounds a little crazy to me. It really is unfair to think just because someone's opinion differs from yours that they "were hired", I seriously doubt that anything said on this message board will impact the custody case between RC and CS.

About the DCF investigation I have not said much here about it, I can tell you that just because the state doesn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. My cousin who I mentioned earlier has 2 children in his custody and CPS has been to his house several times, they found nothing, but I have seen it, I see what goes on when social workers are not around, I have reported it, the children remain in his care.

I didn't mean here. There are two places where the mods agree (or did and one still does) that the people claiming they are in touch with Kim P are for real. Who knows? Just my opinion.

I agree on the CPS...I know personally that what you say is true. But when the charges are physical abuse, it is harder to hide than just plain bad parenting don't you think? I do believe DCF will be very diligent this time due to the publicity.

teresa

03-29-2009, 09:42 PM

I think some of our "new" posters are actually back with new nics. :laugh:

Did you catch where TJ said "Cobra" is now being represented by Art Harris?

No! There goes Art's objectivity (if he had any). I'm going to try to put my new speakers in.

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 09:47 PM

I think some of our "new" posters are actually back with new nics. :laugh:

Did you catch where TJ said "Cobra" is now being represented by Art Harris?

What kind of representation? Media? JMO

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 09:50 PM

I didn't mean here. There are two places where the mods agree (or did and one still does) that the people claiming they are in touch with Kim P are for real. Who knows? Just my opinion.

I agree on the CPS...I know personally that what you say is true. But when the charges are physical abuse, it is harder to hide than just plain bad parenting don't you think? I do believe DCF will be very diligent this time due to the publicity.

DCF probably makes mistakes, but they also have a lot of false reports, too. There have been quite a few times on Judge Judy where some people have made reports just because they get mad at the party they are reporting. Some of them don't even have a dog in the fight, ie they are not related to the child. JMO

Pat

03-29-2009, 10:00 PM

What kind of representation? Media? JMO

He wasn't specific. Motives for people involving themselves led to different comments and the host specifically asked about Cobra. TJ talked about his radio piece and then said Cobra is .......

teresa

03-29-2009, 10:02 PM

I don't believe anyone who claims that they have been in touch with KP or anyone directly involved in this case, I mean it's the internet, I take those claims very lightly, I could say I just spoke <insert name> and they said a suspect is in custody.

The abuse is harder to hide but I have pics of his children that I have indeed turned over, I have even given written/verbal documentation that I did in fact see how "that" mark(s) got there, and still he has his kids. He doesn't beat his kids to "a bloody pulp", but that doesn't mean they don't get hit.

I hate that Trinity. From the reading I've done, the laws seem too lenient in how hard a child can be hit. I'm really sorry. The case I'm aware of personally was just plain neglect of a baby. There wasn't any hitting involved. Poor kids.

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 10:03 PM

He wasn't specific. Motives for people involving themselves led to different comments and the host specifically asked about Cobra. TJ talked about his radio piece and then said Cobra is .......

It must have something to do with media, cause I don't think AH is a lawyer.

Does anyone know how long "Cobra" has been a PI/bounty hunter? I have read where he was a home builder until a few years ago.

JMO

Pat

03-29-2009, 10:12 PM

I recommend anyone interested in the case listen to this program.

I found it to be balanced and informative. If you are looking for salacious gossip, though, you won't find it here.

OBTW, they ALL think Geraldo has lost his credibility (not because of this) and they were laughing about him. The whole exchange over Geraldo was entertaining. TJ talked about the fact Geraldo can't step his foot in the trailer park or he'll immediately be arrested for trespassing.

teresa

03-29-2009, 10:20 PM

Thanks for the link.Sounds like LE was on top of it.Stopping vehicles before they could leave the area,getting a boat in the water,having a chopper in the air,canine,and checking on when the train last went through on the tracks.The only thing I noticed was a dispatcher? saying Haleigh? was last seen at residence an hour to an hour 1/2 ago,if they were talking of Haleigh and not another run going on at the same time.Could be a mis-communication on the dispatchers? part.IMO

cat3, I think those calls are a running narrative, not 11 consecutive minutes. They didn't call for boats, etc the minute they got there.

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 10:26 PM

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 10:33 PM

Oh I agree - why can't LE rule out anybody but are satisfied with their alibis?

Good Evening (:

I think LE is satisfied that people, like Ron & Crystal, were where they claimed to be .. (work/home) but that does not clear them as far as possible involvement and that is why they cannot be cleared as suspects

(Or maybe neither one passed their LDT ... so that stops the clearing as a suspect as well?)

Pat

03-29-2009, 10:34 PM

When I went to the site, I got a message saying my computer software removed a program that tried to load. Something about being able to track. I'm afraid to go back. JMO

I didn't download it. I just hit play and listened. I don't download stuff to my computer. I've had to listen several times (I skipped the Caylee portions) and I will still have to listen again because there is so much. It was an hour long show.

Pat

03-29-2009, 10:39 PM

Good Evening (:

I think LE is satisfied that people, like Ron & Crystal, were where they claimed to be .. (work/home) but that does not clear them as far as possible involvement and that is why they cannot be cleared as suspects

(Or maybe neither one passed their LDT ... so that stops the clearing as a suspect as well?)

Ron passed the polygraph. TJ said on the show he did. The general consensus is that none of them (Crystal, Ron, Misty) are directly involved in Haleigh going missing. My impression was that this is what TJ thinks from what he's getting from LE.

Did you listen to the show?

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 10:40 PM

I didn't download it. I just hit play and listened. I don't download stuff to my computer. I've had to listen several times (I skipped the Caylee portions) and I will still have to listen again because there is so much. It was an hour long show.

I didn't download either. I just hit the play. JMO

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 10:42 PM

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 10:44 PM

Ron passed the polygraph. TJ said on the show he did. The general consensus is that none of them (Crystal, Ron, Misty) are directly involved in Haleigh going missing. My impression was that this is what TJ thinks from what he's getting from LE.

Did you listen to the show?

No ... what show?

But only LE can confirm or deny the passing of LDT's and they are tight lipped except for stating what they did a couple weeks ago (Something about that information not being released after Misty & Ron were on the Today show after their marriage)

cat3

03-29-2009, 10:49 PM

cat3, I think those calls are a running narrative, not 11 consecutive minutes. They didn't call for boats, etc the minute they got there.

I didn't mean to suggest that they had all this in place in 11 minutes,but the fact that they were putting it in place at all is very impressive.Sounds like they didn't waste a whole lot of time.Sadly we really don't know what time Haleigh actually went missing,or all these measures might have helped find her.IMO

What do you think of the comment about Haleigh last being in the home an hour to an hour and a half ago? IMO

teresa

03-29-2009, 10:49 PM

I disagree. I think they have a protocol that is implemented as soon as a child is reported. Remember,while en route to the scene, Dogs were called in and two counties called for choppers.I am sure the list is longer. MOO

I trust you :smile: I'm hooking up my new speakers and I'll try again.

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 10:52 PM

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 10:54 PM

Ron passed the polygraph. TJ said on the show he did. The general consensus is that none of them (Crystal, Ron, Misty) are directly involved in Haleigh going missing. My impression was that this is what TJ thinks from what he's getting from LE.

Did you listen to the show?I didn't hear TJ say he passed the LDT. One of the women on the show said that. It was the same woman that says "the father is taking a beating" and that Crystal is upset that Ron married Misty. These are her feelings and opinions, not based in fact.

TJ said that Cobra has a good track record...8000 collars, one of which was a terrorist. He said about Cobra, "at the end of the day, he gets the job done."

TJ said Cobra is being represented by artharris.com. I'm not sure what he meant by that.

teresa

03-29-2009, 10:58 PM

I didn't mean to suggest that they had all this in place in 11 minutes,but the fact that they were putting it in place at all is very impressive.Sounds like they didn't waste a whole lot of time.Sadly we really don't know what time Haleigh actually went missing,or all these measures might have helped find her.IMO

What do you think of the comment about Haleigh last being in the home an hour to an hour and a half ago? IMO

I don't know. I'll have to listen again to see if it started the minute they got there. Was that the original officers who got there or the ones they called for?

By the time they got there, we know she had been gone at least 40 minutes and whatever happened I don't think Haleigh was taken the minute Misty thinks she woke up. If I ever have a disaster, I'm going to try to check my watch every few minutes because people are holding TN and GGM Sykes and others to their estimates of when they got there, etc.

The dispatcher couldn't really have a clue of how long exactly she was gone. It could have been almost 8 hours if we use LE's timeline and Misty was involved (which I don't believe yet...negligent maybe but not directly involved).

cat3

03-29-2009, 11:00 PM

(Bolding is mine)

What does that mean? Hour and a half from what point in time?

TIA

The police were called around 3:27 or 3:30 that morning.Listening to the police calls,one person(dispatcher?) when asked when Haleigh was last seen,says Haleigh was last seen at the residence an hour to an hour and a half ago.At least I think they are talking about Haleigh.Sounds like they had some other runs,or were finishing up some runs the same time the call came in for Haleigh.IMO

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:02 PM

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 11:04 PM

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:04 PM

The police were called around 3:27 or 3:30 that morning.Listening to the police calls,one person(dispatcher?) when asked when Haleigh was last seen,says Haleigh was last seen at the residence an hour to an hour and a half ago.At least I think they are talking about Haleigh.Sounds like they had some other runs,or were finishing up some runs the same time the call came in for Haleigh.IMO

I have to find that link

Thanks

(:

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:06 PM

I haven't heard anything about that. Do you remember where you read it?

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/crystal-sheffields-family-says-thanks-with-cookout/

Links to a You Tube video

cat3

03-29-2009, 11:06 PM

I don't know. I'll have to listen again to see if it started the minute they got there. Was that the original officers who got there or the ones they called for?

By the time they got there, we know she had been gone at least 40 minutes and whatever happened I don't think Haleigh was taken the minute Misty thinks she woke up. If I ever have a disaster, I'm going to try to check my watch every few minutes because people are holding TN and GGM Sykes and others to their estimates of when they got there, etc.

The dispatcher couldn't really have a clue of how long exactly she was gone. It could have been almost 8 hours if we use LE's timeline and Misty was involved (which I don't believe yet...negligent maybe but not directly involved).

I'm sure it was a very confusing time for all involved.Could be the dispatcher or someone wrote down or heard wrong, the time frame for Haleigh's last being seen.I know I didn't hear anyone during the 911 call say that Haleigh had been seen a few hours before the 3 or 3:30 time frame.IMO

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 11:10 PM

Am I the only one who missed the sponsored cookout last weekend by Crystal and family to thank searchers while Ron and Misty went to a fair and got drunk? (Supposedly)

As usual, one link leads me to another then another ... and just read this?

There was a link (maybe on the links thread) about the cookout. As far as I know the fair and drinking was from posters that had supposedly been at the fair and saw it.

Has anyone been by CS's living quarters/search hdqts? If so, what is it like? Is Cloe there with her? If not, does anyone know who is keeping her? JMO

odyssey

03-29-2009, 11:12 PM

Am I the only one who missed the sponsored cookout last weekend by Crystal and family to thank searchers while Ron and Misty went to a fair and got drunk? (Supposedly)

As usual, one link leads me to another then another ... and just read this?

They took Junior to the fair .. there was discussion here .. they also handed out flyers. No one said anything at all about them "being drunk" when it was discussed before .. that must be a new twist on the facts.

G'night.

jmoo

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:13 PM

There was a link (maybe on the links thread) about the cookout. As far as I know the fair and getting drunk was from posters that had supposedly been at the fair and saw it.

Has anyone been by CS's living quarters/search hdqts? If so, what is it like? Is Cloe there with her? If not, does anyone know who is keeping her? JMO

Why didn't they participate in the cookout?

Getting drunk at the fair is not good vibes

By the way -- wanted to mention many times and always forget -- I LOVE your sig line! LOL

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:15 PM

They took Junior to the fair .. there was discussion here .. they also handed out flyers. No one said anything at all about them "being drunk" when it was discussed before .. that must be a new twist on the facts.

G'night.

jmoo

I suppose if they were seen, people will post about it

Just not newsworthy?

Hard to say anymore

Sleep well

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 11:17 PM

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/crystal-sheffields-family-says-thanks-with-cookout/

Links to a You Tube videoThanks. That was very nice of Crystal and her family.

I'm not at all surprised about Ron and Misty

cat3

03-29-2009, 11:19 PM

I have to find that link

Thanks

(:

It's in the links thread,Tara.Last link posted by Riverwalk.

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:21 PM

It's in the links thread,Tara.Last link posted by Riverwalk.

Thanks

Seems I am always looking for a horse with stripes

(;

teresa

03-29-2009, 11:23 PM

Why didn't they participate in the cookout?

Getting drunk at the fair is not good vibes

By the way -- wanted to mention many times and always forget -- I LOVE your sig line! LOL

Tara, why are you insisting that rumors posted by anonymous people on the internet are true. I read those comments on Topix...one person saw them being self-centered and rude because a man wouldn't allow Jr on the bumper cars and another poster a little while later said Misty and Ron were there without Junior. They all promised pictures. Have you seen them?

I don't know if they were there at all but LE had a booth there for Haleigh.

teresa

03-29-2009, 11:25 PM

There was a link (maybe on the links thread) about the cookout. As far as I know the fair and drinking was from posters that had supposedly been at the fair and saw it.

Has anyone been by CS's living quarters/search hdqts? If so, what is it like? Is Cloe there with her? If not, does anyone know who is keeping her? JMO

There are some pictures on the first coast news site. TJ Hart said in the interview today that there is very little activity there...he doesn't see people going in and out.

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:29 PM

Tara, why are you insisting that rumors posted by anonymous people on the internet are true. I read those comments on Topix...one person saw them being self-centered and rude because a man wouldn't allow Jr on the bumper cars and another poster a little while later said Misty and Ron were there without Junior. They all promised pictures. Have you seen them?

I don't know if they were there at all but LE had a booth there for Haleigh.

I am not insisting anything

I am aware that people may have seen them there and made their comments ... and that people also make things up

I was asking

I have listened to the dispatch reports ... I think it is odd about the hour and half statement but it could easily be a mistake on the part of the dispatcher

Or it could be an inconsistency LE refers to

(shrug)

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 11:29 PM

I wanted to say one more thing about the interview with TJ. He claims to be in close contact with the "chief" and has a good working relationship with him. I assume he meant the chief of police.

There was talk about the custody thing and all the other drama between the families as taking the focus off of Haleigh. TJ said that he and "the chief" were talking about it being like a soap opera and the chief said that their focus is on Haleigh and if there are other illegal incidents going on they will be dealt with in time but their main focus is finding Haleigh. I'm paraphrasing...not his exact words, but close.

Imo, Ron isn't worried about the focus being taken off of Haleigh, he is worried that the focus is on him and Misty. I've said that all along. Just because message boards, blogs and talking heads are buzzing about the extraneous issues doesn't mean LE is. I never thought that were.

Pat

03-29-2009, 11:29 PM

Go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/

Go to Categories, click on News

Caylee/Haleigh is the first program listed

The program is an hour long, I skipped over the part about Caylee. If you put your cursor over the bar showing the progress of the program, you can move it forwards and backwards. It is a little cumbersome, though...nothing to tell you exactly where you are.

I didn't download it, I just hit play.

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 11:31 PM

Why didn't they participate in the cookout?

Getting drunk at the fair is not good vibes

By the way -- wanted to mention many times and always forget -- I LOVE your sig line! LOL

I don't know about who didn't participate in the cookout. I think there was an article in the local paper inviting people and I guess word of mouth.

Getting drunk/drinking was not from anything official, just posters.

sig line not original. I Plagiarised it from an e-mail I received.

JMO

teresa

03-29-2009, 11:31 PM

Thanks. That was very nice of Crystal and her family.

I'm not at all surprised about Ron and Misty

Ha. I read on the same site that Chad enlisted Crystal's step-grandpa to get his buddies to hide out Haleigh to make Ron look bad. Also Crystal's brother M. helped. They didn't know who big this would blow up to be.

Should I link that and state it as fact? It's the same site where these fair rumors started and flew all over.

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:33 PM

Frankly, I do not know what anyone is doing to find Haleigh. But if they need some added motivation, I can suggest something. Call Dr. G on over from Orlando! Let her give them a seminar on how the body of a child lying in the elements for 6 weeks deteriorates. How a once beautiful,smiling little girl's lifeless body bloats,turns an ugly, wrinkled, ouzing mess as flies deposit the eggs that will turn to maggots to begin the carion feeding frenzy again and again. Tell them Dr. G how the fat tissue in the rotting flesh slides off the frame which once supported it and how muscle and ligaments hang off the joints as if clinging for life. Show them with graphics how snakes wind through the remaining skeletal caverns as turtles, opossums enjoy a chewy meal and buzzards swoop down and peck her eyes and organs in wanton greed.. Take away all the vestigal remains and show them what is left- a greasy,molded pile of slime! Relate that it is not a romantic tale like the Bible phrases it, "ashes to ashes; dust to dust". That it is a little more complex than that. Lead them into the morgue and let them experience what death smells like. Finally, ask them if they have a daughter, a son, a niece, a nephew? Urge them to feel as the loved ones of Haleigh Cummings must feel. Send them on their way to end the question of ,What Happened to Haleigh? We all must be motivated ,sometimes harshly, to act.

While i agree with you, when LE tells people who search on their own they could be arrested for tampering with evidence, that kind of puts a damper on things

teresa

03-29-2009, 11:33 PM

Ty for the comment.

You're welcome bam bam. I'm almost ready to listen. I had to get a 17 year old to help with these fancy speakers. :wink:

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 11:37 PM

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:37 PM

Ha. I read on the same site that Chad enlisted Crystal's step-grandpa to get his buddies to hide out Haleigh to make Ron look bad. Also Crystal's brother M. helped. They didn't know who big this would blow up to be.

Should I link that and state it as fact? It's the same site where these fair rumors started and flew all over.

Actually there are many sites that link from one story and go on and on

Once again .. nobody is stating anything as "fact"

But if they were observed, don't people have a right to say what they saw?

Like all cases, grain of salt

I was not there, you were not there, but people obviously were

Take it as you will ...

I am sure there are people that feel they needed to cut loose and have a good time .. if they did

And others who see it as inappropriate

Who knows?!

Does not make it true nor does it make it untrue

Pat

03-29-2009, 11:38 PM

Imo, Ron isn't worried about the focus being taken off of Haleigh, he is worried that the focus is on him and Misty. I've said that all along. Just because message boards, blogs and talking heads are buzzing about the extraneous issues doesn't mean LE is. I never thought that were.

I think it is very likely Crystal, Misty and Ron are ALL worried about being investigated for criminal activity before this is over. Crystal doesn't have a clean record, and with all her TV appearances and accusations she's put herself right in the spotlight.

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:39 PM

http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS262US262&q=sheffield%20cookout&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#

It appears that the cook out was well received and planned well.
Crystal and her family deserve credit for thanking those that helped in the searches.

I agree

Very nice of them

Thank You's always are

Many people put hard work into helping to find this poor little girl

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 11:41 PM

I think it is very likely Crystal, Misty and Ron are ALL worried about being investigated for criminal activity before this is over. Crystal doesn't have a clean record, and with all her TV appearances and accusations she's put herself right in the spotlight.

I don't think either side has any room to talk. Pot calling kettle black. If I were any of them, I would keep my mouth shut. Would not want my dirty laundry aired all over the world. JMO

CC I See

03-29-2009, 11:41 PM

http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS262US262&q=sheffield%20cookout&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#

It appears that the cook out was well received and planned well.
Crystal and her family deserve credit for thanking those that helped in the searches.

It's about time we see someone connected to this family thank the people who have taken the time to help search the woods for signs of Haleigh.

What did Ron and Misty do at the Fair other than have a good time, anything?

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 11:44 PM

My bold. TJ claims. Cobra claims.

I claim to be Cleopatra. And I claim to have a relationship with the Queen of Denial.

Its all talk from all sides without any proof that I have seen.

It really is sad that people will take the tradegy of a beautiful little girl's disappearance and try to put themself in the limelight. I don't know why so many people are starved for attention. JMO

teresa

03-29-2009, 11:44 PM

Sure, if you'd like. :wink:

Look, teresa, we don't agree about Ron and Crystal. So what? People disagree all the time about cases like these. Stop taking all this so personally, okay? I'm not the enemy. We just see things differently in this particular case.

I think they both need to get their priorities in order and I'd say this tragedy did it. Honestly, i pickle, if I saw rumors like that repeated about Crystal, I would point them out as rumors and not fact. I just don't like seeing gossip stated as fact about any of these people. They have enough documented stuff to use against them.

Peace...I'm not mad at you, I just didn't want anyone to think that was a fact when we really don't know. I don't consider you an enemy at all. I like to read all view points because it makes me think.

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:44 PM

I don't think either side has any room to talk. Pot calling kettle black. If I were any of them, I would keep my mouth shut. Would not want my dirty laundry aired all over the world. JMO

I have never understood all the finger pointing in this case when it should be a time of solidarity

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 11:46 PM

I think it is very likely Crystal, Misty and Ron are ALL worried about being investigated for criminal activity before this is over. Crystal doesn't have a clean record, and with all her TV appearances and accusations she's put herself right in the spotlight.No her record is not clean but it's a heck of a lot cleaner than Ron's.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

Btw, if you're going to snip my posts, please indicate that you've done so. I said a lot more in my original post than the part you quoted. Thanks.

teresa

03-29-2009, 11:46 PM

I know what you mean, thank goodness for teenage grandchildren. I am thinking the inconsistencies are coming from within in the department (not purposely) and not from misty.

And don't forget the media...they have made a lot of mistakes. Plus their lack of followup and not correcting TH's when they misstate something.

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 11:47 PM

I have never understood all the finger pointing in this case when it should be a time of solidarity

I would think they would have more success if they would all come together and focus on finding Haleigh. Pretty soon, noone will want to help either side. It almost seems like the only people helping now are the ones who have chosen sides and they are only helping that side. JMO

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 11:49 PM

No her record is not clean but it's a heck of a lot cleaner than Ron's.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

Btw, if you're going to snip my posts, please indicate that you've done so. I said a lot more in my original post than the part you quoted. Thanks.

I know there are more incidents listed for Ron than Crystal, but most of the ones listed for Ron are minor. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:51 PM

I would think they would have more success if they would all come together and focus on finding Haleigh. Pretty soon, noone will want to help either side. It almost seems like the only people helping now are the ones who have chosen sides and they are only helping that side. JMO

Exactly!

LE could clear a lot up .. but they are very silent

It is like the Hatfield and McCoy's right now and the focus is off the most important thing ... Haleigh!

teresa

03-29-2009, 11:51 PM

JustUs...I just can't quote that vivid post. But, you are right. LE needs to be thinking about that when they forbid people from searching. I am positive they could get enough volunteers from LE to supervise each search party. Didn't they say five surrounding counties have offered their services?

Maybe that little release of the dispatcher calls today is the start of some of their information trickling out. They need to do something to keep the focus on Haleigh.

Pat

03-29-2009, 11:51 PM

I would think they would have more success if they would all come together and focus on finding Haleigh. Pretty soon, noone will want to help either side. It almost seems like the only people helping now are the ones who have chosen sides and they are only helping that side. JMO

You have to wonder what these people are going to do when the national spotlight is gone, along with those who inserted themselves in this case to get some for themselves.

TaraCrazyHair

03-29-2009, 11:53 PM

I know there are more incidents listed for Ron than Crystal, but most of the ones listed for Ron are minor. JMO

I would not say minor .. but he has a lot dropped

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 11:54 PM

I know there are more incidents listed for Ron than Crystal, but most of the ones listed for Ron are minor. JMOI never considered possession of cocaine, morphine and several arrests for pos. of a controlled substance and maintaining a drug vehicle as minor but we're all entitled to our opinions. :mellow:

?noanswer

03-29-2009, 11:58 PM

You have to wonder what these people are going to do when the national spotlight is gone, along with those who inserted themselves in this case to get some for themselves.

Unless something happens pretty soon, the national spotlight will be gone. There is not much coverage now, just NG and a few others who are kinda desperate to be in the spotlight themselves. Someone mentioned above that T J Hart said there was not much going on at the Haleighbug headquarters. I don't know who is paying $500. per month rent for CS to live there, but I don't think they will want to continue if there are no people interested in volunteering there. If I was Crystal, I don't think I would want JR to be there with a bunch of strangers coming in and out. JMO

i_pickle

03-29-2009, 11:59 PM

http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS262US262&q=sheffield%20cookout&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#

It appears that the cook out was well received and planned well.
Crystal and her family deserve credit for thanking those that helped in the searches.I agree. Stark contrast to the way the Anthony's treated those who helped search for Caylee.

?noanswer

03-30-2009, 12:01 AM

I would not say minor .. but he has a lot dropped

I read on another site that there are so many people that are charged with drug offenses that most of them are dispensed with by giving the offender a fine and requiring them to attend classes. The prisons everywhere are crowded to the limit, guess they cannot give prison time to all the offenders, just the worst of the worse.

I just looked at the site where T J Hart posts. Ron had 7 charges, only two of them guilty - 18 yo in possession of tobacco & trespassing after warning - guilty given probation & fine. Can you imagine how busy LE would be if they prosecuted every 18 yo that possessed tobacco!!!

JMO

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:03 AM

I think you may be right.
One little inconsistency at a time that LE is just beginning to put together. Maybe they are seeing things a little clearer. They now may be at the point of reading reports, listening to tapes and video's and seeing things a little clearer.
Maybe this might put Misty in a different light with LE.

I wish we knew if they have questioned her since that Early Show interview. I would bet they have and especially if they just interviewed that Greg guy in the last week or two.

I reread Det. Shauland's comments again today and he said he wouldn't consider her a suspect but they need her to get that timeline cleared up. I wish to heck we knew what they know.

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 12:04 AM

Unless something happens pretty soon, the national spotlight will be gone. There is not much coverage now, just NG and a few others who are kinda desperate to be in the spotlight themselves. Someone mentioned above that T J Hart said there was not much going on at the Haleighbug headquarters. I don't know who is paying $500. per month rent for CS to live there, but I don't think they will want to continue if there are no people interested in volunteering there. If I was Crystal, I don't think I would want JR to be there with a bunch of strangers coming in and out. JMOTJ also mentioned that Haleigh is getting huge coverage. So I guess it depends on who you ask.

He's right there at "ground zero" (their words, not mine) so if he thinks it's getting huge coverage, I'll take him at his word.

TaraCrazyHair

03-30-2009, 12:07 AM

I read on another site that there are so many people that are charged with drug offenses that most of them are dispensed with by giving the offender a fine and requiring them to attend classes. The prisons everywhere are crowded to the limit, guess they cannot give prison time to all the offenders, just the worst of the worse. JMO

That is true but they are usually harsher on habitual offenders especially involving drugs

But Florida is a very busy state and maybe it is the norm to drop, dismiss or otherwise let them walk away

Does not happen in Ohio

Maybe the message is if you want to do drugs -- move to Florida

(shrug)

But Crystal (from what I have read) has nothing compared

Pat

03-30-2009, 12:08 AM

Looks like the rumor turned out to be true.

Donald Casey PI of the Caylee case

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

I'd read about this the other day. Got to wonder if George didn't make the recommendation when he was in Satsuma.

?noanswer

03-30-2009, 12:09 AM

Looks like the rumor turned out to be true.

Donald Casey PI of the Caylee case

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

If I was Dominic Casey, I think I would stay out of the limelight until I could clear my name in the CA case. JMO

CC I See

03-30-2009, 12:10 AM

Looks like the rumor turned out to be true.

Donald Casey PI of the Caylee case

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

Looks like they are ready to handle the case. I wonder which side of the family they are with.

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 12:12 AM

~snip~
I just looked at the site where T J Hart posts. Ron had 7 charges, only two of them guilty - 18 yo in possession of tobacco & trespassing after warning - guilty given probation & fine. Can you imagine how busy LE would be if they prosecuted every 18 yo that possessed tobacco!!!

JMOOdd that he kept getting arrested for drugs and the charges were always dropped. I think GR was on to something about him being an informant. And I also think that might have something to do with what happened to Haleigh.

AMO, of course

TaraCrazyHair

03-30-2009, 12:13 AM

I wish we knew if they have questioned her since that Early Show interview. I would bet they have and especially if they just interviewed that Greg guy in the last week or two.

I reread Det. Shauland's comments again today and he said he wouldn't consider her a suspect but they need her to get that timeline cleared up. I wish to heck we knew what they know.Once LE determines somebody to be a suspect, the rules change

LE does not announce suspects until all their ducks are in a row

I am guessing they are still getting the ducks to line up

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:14 AM

TJ also mentioned that Haleigh is getting huge coverage. So I guess it depends on who you ask.

He's right there at "ground zero" (their words, not mine) so if he thinks it's getting huge coverage, I'll take him at his word.

It's not huge national coverage anymore. This is just one of several articles I've read. Though, if it is getting regional coverage, that's probably most important because either Haleigh or her body is surely close by.

Only a handful of reporters remain in this isolated community north of the Ocala National Forest — even though investigators said Haleigh was abducted and they think she is alive.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-asec-caylee-anthony-haleigh-cummings-030509,0,5285292.story

This article contrasts the coverage of Haleigh vs Caylee.

CC I See

03-30-2009, 12:15 AM

Odd that he kept getting arrested for drugs and the charges were always dropped. I think GR was on to something about him being an informant. And I also think that might have something to do with what happened to Haleigh.

AMO, of course

Maybe it's just that he might be related to just about everyone in the county and they go easy on one of their own.

TaraCrazyHair

03-30-2009, 12:15 AM

Odd that he kept getting arrested for drugs and the charges were always dropped. I think GR was on to something about him being an informant. And I also think that might have something to do with what happened to Haleigh.

AMO, of course

Funny things about informants, they can party all day and night and never get touched as long as they talk

Your right, Geraldo just may have been on to something

As far as Haleigh ... I do not think her missing is drug related

MOO

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 12:16 AM

Maybe it's just that he might be related to just about everyone in the county and they go easy on one of their own.:biggrin: I'm leavin' that one alone.

LOL

Pat

03-30-2009, 12:17 AM

TJ also mentioned that Haleigh is getting huge coverage. So I guess it depends on who you ask.

He's right there at "ground zero" (their words, not mine) so if he thinks it's getting huge coverage, I'll take him at his word.

But they talked about the LE that came out of retirement to handle PR for the police department leaving on that radio show. TJ said the man was only getting about 6 calls a day, and TJ laughed and said they were probably all from him. So which is it?

And is the coverage for the salacious details surrounding the main players, or coverage in the investigation. All I've seen lately is focused on the dirty linen in everyone's closet. I don't care about Ron, Crystal or Misty. Or Kim or Cobra. What I care about is the LE investigation, and we aren't getting much news on that because all anyone wants to talk about the the other mess.

TaraCrazyHair

03-30-2009, 12:18 AM

It's not huge national coverage anymore. This is just one of several articles I've read. Though, if it is getting regional coverage, that's probably most important because either Haleigh or her body is surely close by.

Only a handful of reporters remain in this isolated community north of the Ocala National Forest — even though investigators said Haleigh was abducted and they think she is alive.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-asec-caylee-anthony-haleigh-cummings-030509,0,5285292.story

This article contrasts the coverage of Haleigh vs Caylee.

The Florida Sunshine Law made all the difference between the two cases in my opinion

Media had something to legally to grab onto with Caylee .. not so in this case

cat3

03-30-2009, 12:19 AM

I'm still thinking about the radio transmissions from LE.Maybe because it is new news.I noticed that they mention Tyler which is close to Green Ln.I wonder if something that happened on Tyler had anything to do with Haleigh being missing.Probably not but curious.IMO

CC I See

03-30-2009, 12:19 AM

?noanswer

03-30-2009, 12:20 AM

It's not huge national coverage anymore. This is just one of several articles I've read. Though, if it is getting regional coverage, that's probably most important because either Haleigh or her body is surely close by.

Only a handful of reporters remain in this isolated community north of the Ocala National Forest — even though investigators said Haleigh was abducted and they think she is alive.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-asec-caylee-anthony-haleigh-cummings-030509,0,5285292.story

This article contrasts the coverage of Haleigh vs Caylee.

That's a sad article, but probably true. I don't think the A's have much more money than the C/S's, but they appear to have (they probably have earned more, just not managed). Course the A's have insured that there is lots of coverage with their antics. JMO

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:20 AM

I think we would have heard from leaks from family members if she had been taken in for more questioning. JMO

I don't think there are any leaks anymore. They've all quit talking on the Cummings/Croslin families sides. I'm kind of curious about RC's lawyer. Is he only going to release statements and not go on TV to have a battle of the lawyers?

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 12:21 AM

Funny things about informants, they can party all day and night and never get touched as long as they talk

Your right, Geraldo just may have been on to something

As far as Haleigh ... I do not think her missing is drug related

MOOIt could be drug related in more ways than one. Revenge on Ron, or Misty knocked out and the perp knew her condition and came in to get Haleigh.

Pretty brazen for a random SO to prop open a door and turn a light on.

(Assuming that we can believe one word that Misty says about anything, including the door and the light)

TaraCrazyHair

03-30-2009, 12:22 AM

Big green bottle of Nyquil is calling my name

Hoping tomorrow brings some answers

Nite!

?noanswer

03-30-2009, 12:23 AM

I don't think there are any leaks anymore. They've all quit talking on the Cummings/Croslin families sides. I'm kind of curious about RC's lawyer. Is he only going to release statements and not go on TV to have a battle of the lawyers?

Most lawyers don't want to try their case in the media. Only the ones that knows the only way they can win is by influencing the jury pool with a bunch of malarky. JMO

Pat

03-30-2009, 12:24 AM

....you're right but somewhere in that mess are the answers to what happened to Haleigh that night she went missing. If we don't dig, we won't find.

With all due respect, "we" aren't going to "find" anything. We can talk, discuss, argue, agree, but it is LE who will ultimately solve (or not) this case.

They have a heck of a lot of information we don't have. We get what is printed or aired, and the gossip. LE have the factual evidence.

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:26 AM

The Florida Sunshine Law made all the difference between the two cases in my opinion

Media had something to legally to grab onto with Caylee .. not so in this case

Tara, even when/if we ever get to read the discovery stuff, I don't think this will get near the attention that Caylee/Casey gets. It's the rednecks vs the middle class sexy crazy evil mommy story and I don't think Ron or Crystal can compete with that. Plus the media isn't right there like it is in Orlando.

For me personally, this case grabs my heart more because I knew Caylee's fate on day one. I'm still holding out a little hope for Haleigh but it is dwindling.

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 12:29 AM

But they talked about the LE that came out of retirement to handle PR for the police department leaving on that radio show. TJ said the man was only getting about 6 calls a day, and TJ laughed and said they were probably all from him. So which is it?

And is the coverage for the salacious details surrounding the main players, or coverage in the investigation. All I've seen lately is focused on the dirty linen in everyone's closet. I don't care about Ron, Crystal or Misty. Or Kim or Cobra. What I care about is the LE investigation, and we aren't getting much news on that because all anyone wants to talk about the the other mess.Yes, he did say that. He also brought up all the coverage when he was asked why all these atty's are taking these cases pro bono...free publicity on national TV...I think he even mentioned 5 hrs a day but I'm not sure what he meant by that.

He's right there in the area, so I'm sure there's more local coverage than what those of us that aren't in the area see.

I agree with you about the salacious details. Until LE starts talking about the investigation, I guess this is all we'll hear about.

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:33 AM

That's a sad article, but probably true. I don't think the A's have much more money than the C/S's, but they appear to have (they probably have earned more, just not managed). Course the A's have insured that there is lots of coverage with their antics. JMO

I agree and comments like Art made (I think in the comments section) on his blog about the Deliverance like people of Satsuma really makes me mad. Whatever happened to little Haleigh can't possibly be as sick and evil as what happened to Caylee. I know these people aren't saints but there are middle class and upper class people all over that do drugs and have babies and custody fights and so on. They way they look down their noses at these people really bothers me.

cat3

03-30-2009, 12:35 AM

I believe that was clarifying directions to the officer en route. He may not be familiar with that area.

Could be.I heard them mention Tyler as a direction in the beginning of the tape,but then later heard an officer say 'what's happening on Tyler' Then it sounded like an address was given as well as a code.I won't post the address,but I think the code was a 10-8.In my area a 10-8 is a burglary or breaking and entering.I could be wrong but that's what I'm hearing.IMO

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:35 AM

Big green bottle of Nyquil is calling my name

Hoping tomorrow brings some answers

Nite!

Nite Tara. I hope you aren't sick. :sad:

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 12:40 AM

It's not huge national coverage anymore. This is just one of several articles I've read. Though, if it is getting regional coverage, that's probably most important because either Haleigh or her body is surely close by.

Only a handful of reporters remain in this isolated community north of the Ocala National Forest — even though investigators said Haleigh was abducted and they think she is alive.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-asec-caylee-anthony-haleigh-cummings-030509,0,5285292.story

This article contrasts the coverage of Haleigh vs Caylee.That is really sad to me. I feel awful about little Caylee. It's heart-breaking that anyone could do that to a child. But she's gone and no one can help her now. The best that can be done is seek justice for her murder.

We don't know what happened to Haleigh and the media should be collectively ashamed, imo. ALL facets of the media.

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:41 AM

From what I have heard about them,which is little, I believe they will fight them in a court of law, not in the media. If he is smart and I hear they are, he will not show his hand. I do think there will be some law suit's when this is over. His favorite saying is" sue the bas****". MOO

IF this stuff isn't true, I hope Geraldo, Kim and Cobra are his top three. I would also throw in Kimberly Guifoyle because she has said some pretty awful things. I wouldn't bother with Crystal because I think they are using her for their own purposes and Jr doesn't need to see anymore public garbage about either parent. I cringe at what he (and I hope Haleigh) will read someday. I miss the united front they had in the beginning.

MrLucky917B

03-30-2009, 12:45 AM

Once LE determines somebody to be a suspect, the rules change

LE does not announce suspects until all their ducks are in a row

I am guessing they are still getting the ducks to line up

Don't tell Orange County that, they had their suspect in 24 hours without all the ducks in a row:rolleyes:

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:46 AM

That is really sad to me. I feel awful about little Caylee. It's heart-breaking that anyone could do that to a child. But she's gone and no one can help her now. The best that can be done is seek justice for her murder.

We don't know what happened to Haleigh and the media should be collectively ashamed, imo. ALL facets of the media.

I 100% agree with you i pickle. It makes me so mad. I want to wring Nancy Grace's head for repeating the same stuff over and over when their are kids like Haleigh and the little 14 year old in California and others who may still be alive or at the least deserve to be found.

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 12:47 AM

Unless Ron was a passenger in the vehicle that the drugs were found in and knew nothing about them.Charges was dropped. IMO that is the only sane explanation. Those of you who have friends or LE ask them if this was the case would that explain. I ask 2 today and they agreed. If he was not driving or own the vehicle and not under the influence,he can not be convicted. Charged but the SA would not prosecute.If he were just a passenger I don't think he would be charged with maintaining a drug vehicle.

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:49 AM

http://haleighbug.com/

New pics. added.....tissues needed

Oh how sad. She is one of the most photogenic little girls I've ever seen. It is a tear jerker meadow.

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 12:53 AM

I 100% agree with you i pickle. It makes me so mad. I want to wring Nancy Graces head for repeating the same stuff over and over when their are kids like Haleigh and the little 14 year old in California and others who may still be alive or at the least deserve to be found.Lol, don't get me started on NG.

It is sickening and shallow. I think economics has a lot to do with it but I also think that Misty, Crystal, Marie, Theresa and ggm Sykes aren't as eye-catching and ratings grabbing as Casey in her "mini skirt and push-up bra" (to quote NG)

cat3

03-30-2009, 12:53 AM

Cat I will listen again tomorrow. i have to get to bed for now. Have son in hospital and want to be there early.

Good nite all...

Goodnight bam bam.Hope everything goes well for you and your son tomorrow at the hospital.
I think I'm out for the night as well.Hope Haleigh is found soon.IMO

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:57 AM

Lol, don't get me started on NG.

It is sickening and shallow. I think economics has a lot to do with it but I also think that Misty, Crystal, Marie, Theresa and ggm Sykes aren't as eye-catching and ratings grabbing as Casey in her "mini skirt and push-up bra" (to quote NG)

Exactly. We need to all turn our TV's off when she has pictures of Casey on there. I'm sick of it. Real news is one thing but the rest is just garbage. If that stuff is what gets the best ratings, that doesn't speak well of our country.

teresa

03-30-2009, 12:58 AM

Nite bam bam. My new speakers work now so I'll listen again, too.

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 01:02 AM

Exactly. We need to all turn our TV's off when she has pictures of Casey on there. I'm sick of it. Real news is one thing but the rest is just garbage. If that stuff is what gets the best ratings, that doesn't speak well of our country.No, it doesn't speak well for public demand at all.

Mimi said something on another thread that I'll probably do from now on...that is, read the transcripts instead of watching her show. That way you can skip through all the garbage.

teresa

03-30-2009, 01:04 AM

No, it doesn't speak well for public demand at all.

Mimi said something on another thread that I'll probably do from now on...that is, read the transcripts instead of watching her show. That way you can skip through all the garbage.

Just watch out for the mistakes! I watch on my TV without the DVR because I've read they use them for ratings. I don't know if that is true or not.

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 01:07 AM

Just watch out for the mistakes! I watch on my TV without the DVR because I've read they use them for ratings. I don't know if that is true or not.Really? I hope not because always use the DVR for both NG and JVM.

I hear ya about the mistakes in the transcripts.

Adalena935

03-30-2009, 01:08 AM

Once LE determines somebody to be a suspect, the rules change

LE does not announce suspects until all their ducks are in a row

I am guessing they are still getting the ducks to line up

That's what I think too. I think you've called it as close to the truth as anyone during this case. Not unlike yourself I think LE will be making arrest(s) soon.

i_pickle

03-30-2009, 01:12 AM

Who were the drivers? The arresting officer would list the driver and his ID on a traffic violation or whatever stop that resulted in arrest warrants.
mooI think maintaining is the operative word here. Passengers don't maintain the vehicle.

I could be dead wrong, but that's my guess.

teresa

03-30-2009, 01:15 AM

That's what I think too. I think you've called it as close to the truth as anyone during this case. Not unlike yourself I think LE will be making arrest(s) soon.

I'm going to listen to TJ's interview again tonight. He said something about "the heat being turned up by Wed or Thurs". I hope you are right and they have some news this week, whatever it is.

Money Girl

03-30-2009, 01:35 AM

Mimi428

03-30-2009, 01:41 AM

My personal opinion is that the inexperienced Putnam County Sheriff's Office bumbled the investigation from the very beginning.

I doubt if Haleigh's body will be found unless someone such as children playing or a hunter stumble across it.

Inexperienced sheriffs are horrible for cases such as this, as well as for murder cases. Putnam has a newly elected sheriff; his only experience was as a patrol deputy.

The FBI child abduction team members were sent in immediately. They are the experts. I don't think local LE could bungle up anything so thoroughly that the FBI could not un-bungle in a short amount of time. The state of Florida equivalent of the FBI was also brought in from the beginnng.

JMO

MrLucky917B

03-30-2009, 01:44 AM

My personal opinion is that the inexperienced Putnam County Sheriff's Office bumbled the investigation from the very beginning.

I doubt if Haleigh's body will be found unless someone such as children playing or a hunter stumble across it.

Inexperienced sheriffs are horrible for cases such as this, as well as for murder cases. Putnam has a newly elected sheriff; his only experience was as a patrol deputy.

There are many agencies on this, if there were mistakes made it was a joint effort.

Mimi428

03-30-2009, 01:45 AM

I think we'll see an arrest very soon and I think everyone will be surprised at the airtight case le has in store for the perp(s).

jmo

<snipped> I sure hope they have a solid arrest soon & ITA that when the day comes that we find out all the leads, all the evidence, all the work that has been done, it will surprise folks. It's frustrating for us to wonder & wait, but I just don't believe the FBI child abduction teams are some penny ante rubes without a clue.

JMO

joyzzce

03-30-2009, 01:45 AM

Hi Guys

I have some questions here and i would like to hear from you...Why take Haleigh and not Junior? I am not saying Junior deserves to be missing - nothing like that - but what i meant is why the abductor ( let say there is one ) got Haleigh and not Junior? or not both of them?

If Crystal and Chad is part of this then why not take Junior instead of Haleigh? A lot of missing white girls on this age are always hitting the top news - I seldom see a very sensationalize missing boy in the news... so if Chad and Crystal wanted Ron to look bad infront of the court then why they didnt take little Junior instead and it will not create too much news?

Money Girl

03-30-2009, 01:48 AM

I used to think that too MoneyGirl, but after reviewing other videotapes and reading articles, there's no way they could bumble this. A dozen or so different task forces were brought in, FBI, special teams.....Mark Klaas's statement of how strong this task force was, I'm thinking all they are waiting on is the discovery of Haleigh's body and they may not even wait that long, imo. I think we'll see an arrest very soon and I think everyone will be surprised at the airtight case le has in store for the perp(s).

jmo

I also personally think Mark Klaas is way off on this case. He is completely out of his element. Would much prefer Mark Lunsford as the person on NG's panel for this one. He understands the environment/people much better.

Money Girl

03-30-2009, 01:50 AM

The FBI child abduction team members were sent in immediately. They are the experts. I don't think local LE could bungle up anything so thoroughly that the FBI could not un-bungle in a short amount of time. The state of Florida equivalent of the FBI was also brought in from the beginnng.

JMO

I understand all this. But, I stand by my prevously posted opinion.

I hop I am wrong.

Money Girl

03-30-2009, 01:52 AM

There are many agencies on this, if there were mistakes made it was a joint effort.

But, here we are, and no progress.

Money Girl

03-30-2009, 01:54 AM

Ita. Those special task forces, all the dog units that were called in, le, Tim Miller & company, fbi experts, etc. There is no way they got bamboozled. They are most likely sitting on a mountain of evidence and probably knew from day one that Haleigh was no longer with us, sadly.

jmo

We all watched live while they bungled the dumpster search. After 3 "cadaver" dogs had hit on it. Then, LE actually said they must have hit on a sanitary napkin. Those dogs do not hit on sanitary napkins.

It's over folks.

Money Girl

03-30-2009, 01:57 AM

Money, look back at early footage of Mark Klaas on Nancy Grace, he is totally on the money, he only recently switched his stance with how he behaves on NG, suspiciously so in my opinion. I think Nancy and some of her guests were told how to approach the interview and for some reason, they are using the kiddie gloves on a select few individuals in this case...there's a reason behind it, imo. Mark would be a great person to be on the panel, but his pain is so genuine and real that I think a case like this is too hard for him to deal with. I love Susan Moss on the program and early on she was all over this case, now she sings a different tune as well.

Time will tell....

jmo

NG and her guests were not told anything, IMO.

Banjo

03-30-2009, 02:00 AM

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/crystal-sheffields-family-says-thanks-with-cookout/

Links to a You Tube video

Thank you for the link....
The searchers were probably very glad to help. But that is very nice of the family.

sleuth

03-30-2009, 03:06 AM

Ita. Those special task forces, all the dog units that were called in, le, Tim Miller & company, fbi experts, etc. There is no way they got bamboozled. They are most likely sitting on a mountain of evidence and probably knew from day one that Haleigh was no longer with us, sadly.

jmo
Well, Viking, I wish I could agree. But IMO that is not the case...remember the high powered team that worked on the JonBenet case...I am very worried that this will turn out the same. Sure hope I am wrong.:sad:

teresa

03-30-2009, 03:06 AM

TJ Hart's blog radio interview today summary, accurate I hope.

-Kim P has 8 investigators, they know about Greg, too
-Greg seen by Cobra Thurs, that freaked Greg out, Greg has been at his Mom's hiding out
-LE giving out no info [no kidding]
-Kim P on his show tomorrow at 11
-250 SO's in Putnam Co [wow]
-sees very little activity at HaleighBug headquarters
-thinks LE is very close to an announcement - thinks
4 or 5 days [yikes]
[please not Thurs, I have a long appt!]
-says Wed or Thurs[shoot]--heat if not something a little louder
-Cobra warned off by LE along with Crystal's dad, possible arrest for
tampering with evidence
-child abuse, RC lawyers shot that down with pictures, DCF
investigating now, have in past and found no evidence. CS has
been caught by LE in falsehood, car thing, before
-TJ also wonders about the informant deal with Ron-is this payback?
-wonders if it is pills (oxy, etc)
-male blogger [?] doesn't think drugs-not enough upside to risk it
-how are they paying 8 investigators/lawyers-Kim P has lots of $'s and
is free but not sure what she is entitled to after the fact [foundation $
I guess]
-caller asks about nebulizer missing-TJ has heard that rumor too along
with the custody deal, doesn't think they are smart enough to pull off
-caller asked about TES leaving so fast-TJ says because they changed
it to an "abduction" case
-Misty's demeanor-very tired, not defiant, I'm not a Dr [hinting
pregnant?]
-TJ won't give opinion on what happened..he's a reporter only
-can't confirm Geraldo $'s it's too sticky
-[ugh if I heard right and I listened three times]TJ "taking"? a lead on
is that she may have been sold-the money aspect in play here

Here is the link-right now it is the second down on the left "featured". A couple of my notes are out of order from typing and writing notes at the same time. My comments are in [ ].

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/Haleigh%20Cummings/archives/mostrecent/_/_/_/_/0/

Anyone, feel free to copy over to new thread if you want because I won't be here in the morning if anyone wants to discuss this. Tara, 51viking, others, you may be right that this is the week.

Only new info to us is the 8 investigators and announcement of "heat" or "something louder" this week, I think. I wonder if they do the child negligence thing on Misty to put "heat" on her?