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n/t

03-28-2009, 09:53 AM

I've said before that something really traumatic happened to Misty when she was thirteen.
I have also wondered if hypnosis would help or hurt finding out what happened the night Haleigh disappeared ..
something just clicked in my head ..

what if something happened in that home that night to MISTY as well as Haleigh and because of her past trauma she has blocked it out so her mind is just trying to make sense of not being able to remember?

jmoo

Could be but I think the fact that drugs seems to be a big factor in this case, I wouldn't be surprised if she was so out of it and that's why she can't remember. The reason why her statements are inconsistent.

Peaches

03-28-2009, 10:43 AM

n/t

03-28-2009, 10:49 AM

Thank you for that link, n/t. I would hope that LE has requested and received permission for wire taps in this case weeks ago.

I also wonder if wire taps previously in place by any drug force agency may be able to piece together some evidence relevant to this case.

IMO, that's the only way they can break this case. How many times can they requestion the same people over and over and over again? Seriously. Misty obviously has her story rehearsed by now. Time to go to plan B...whatever that may be. Heck, start eliminating some of the family members as suspects. :unsure:

n/t

03-28-2009, 10:49 AM

PBJMOM4

03-28-2009, 11:00 AM

PBJMOM4

03-28-2009, 11:20 AM

I have seen you post that before and I hope you don't mind me asking. Is this about cousin Joe or did something else also happen to her? I am not discounted what cousin Joe did at all. I have never fully understood what Misty meant by cousin Joe, but I am sure it was not good.

Of course, I am going by what I have seen Misty say on TV in the writing above.

Oh No, I just now read TN is in the hospital? Can someone tell me about it?

MOO

A poster stated last night something along the lines of { The next thing we'll read about is TN in the hospital}and maybe it spiraled from there.
Otherwise, I haven't read any news reports stating TN was in the hospital. Not sure if that was Peaches was referring to?

aproudmom

03-28-2009, 11:21 AM

aproudmom

03-28-2009, 11:25 AM

A poster stated last night something along the lines of { The next thing we'll read about is TN in the hospital}and maybe it spiraled from there.
Otherwise, I haven't read any news reports stating TN was in the hospital. Not sure if that was Peaches was referring to?

I am on google and I dont see anything about her being in the hospital either just a rumor IMO

Pat

03-28-2009, 11:25 AM

Someone made the remark on last night's postings that Theresa looked on the verge of collapse and the poster hoped she didn't end up in the hospital.

There is nothing on the thread stated that Theresa, is in fact, actually in the hospital. IMO, this started from someone reading the post, or replies, too quickly.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 11:30 AM

I have seen you post that before and I hope you don't mind me asking. Is this about cousin Joe or did something else also happen to her? I am not discounted what cousin Joe did at all. I have never fully understood what Misty meant by cousin Joe, but I am sure it was not good.

Of course, I am going by what I have seen Misty say on TV in the writing above.

Oh No, I just now read TN is in the hospital? Can someone tell me about it?

MOO

No, not cousin Joe. Jeremy Miller. She was held against her will and some horrible things happened. I have no link. You would have to speak to locals who followed the case unless there is some archive that i do not know about. The person who i spoke with followed it closely because her son went to school with Misty when it happened. Jeremy is not that much older than Misty but because of what he did he was tried as an adult and got either six or eight years in prison. he is still there.

jmoo

PBJMOM4

03-28-2009, 11:34 AM

I have been trying to find out about the above post, about TN being in the hospital also and I can't find anything.

I hope TN isn't, but it wouldn't surprise me if any of them - except Misty ended up in the hospital.

I can not imagine what this family ( both sides) are going through.

MOO

I can only speak for the post I had read which was post # 764 last night's thread. Poster didn't say TN was in the hospital. I think Pat is right, possibly someone read the post and responded too quickly, unless they read that information elsewhere.

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 11:35 AM

I have a question....

GOOD MORNING BTW.....

WHAT is a "COBRA"????

GOOD GOD HES FOWL MOUTHED!!!<and I aint no angel!!>....but is this guy for REAL?????!!!!!

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 11:43 AM

Where is HaLeigh????????????

Hopefully today will be the day she comes back to those who love her.

Does anyone have more information about Terese? I read last night that she was in the hospital.

TIA

I don't know Teresa, but I see a comment about Ron in the rumor section of FCN beneath the article describing the events of the past two days regarding Kimball's statement. JMO.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134771&catid=3

I am not sure at all if it could be connected and I pray for Teresa and all the other people who are suffering right now without Haleigh Cummings. :wub:

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 11:45 AM

I have a question....

GOOD MORNING BTW.....

WHAT is a "COBRA"????

GOOD GOD HES FOWL MOUTHED!!!<and I aint no angel!!>....but is this guy for REAL?????!!!!!

There is a "cobra" snake, but I'm sure you already know that. There is also a "Cobra" car. In one of his videos I saw him by a car and it looked like a Cobra. Don't know if he called himself Cobra before he got the car or if he got the car 'cause it was his nic. To define Cobra in relation to him I would say "someone who is full of it". JMO

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 11:47 AM

I have said all along his fowl mouth is such a turn off for me. I do not like how he disrespects a woman.

The first time he called me " mama" I would have a few choice words for him.

I read last night on this board that he is leaving, does anyone know if he has already left?

I can't take his mouth, but I want everyone looking for little Haleigh that can.

You know....if he disrespects women so much I just cant see him RESPECTING the search for Haleigh....although a child... FUTURE WOMAN....and GOD HELP THEM IF HE HAS DAUGHTERS OF HIS OWN because ...IMO Your daughters only end up getting treated as well as YOU the MAN treat OTHER MENS DAUGHTERS.....<sorry...its a cajun thing with me!!!>

IF he can act like a proper gentleman <and still be effective with thugs and lowlifes> then he should continue to HELP....sometimes ...as I know from having a LE husband...they have to be "gruff"....but he is OVER THE TOP!

caphill

03-28-2009, 11:48 AM

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 11:58 AM

I don't know Teresa, but I see a comment about Ron in the rumor section of FCN beneath the article describing the events of the past two days regarding Kimball's statement. JMO.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134771&catid=3

I am not sure at all if it could be connected and I pray for Teresa and all the other people who are suffering right now without Haleigh Cummings. :wub:

I HOPE AND PRAY that this whole thing is a well played SCAM....I am very pro LE and very pro VICTIM....but I REALLY HOPE that Haleigh turns out to be sitting pretty somewhere with some well-meaning freak who is taking care of her until her family can get their fifteen minutes and their few dollars out of this....Just let her be well...1hereever she is.

kitty1182

03-28-2009, 01:02 PM

Praying this child is found today.

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 01:12 PM

I HOPE AND PRAY that this whole thing is a well played SCAM....I am very pro LE and very pro VICTIM....but I REALLY HOPE that Haleigh turns out to be sitting pretty somewhere with some well-meaning freak who is taking care of her until her family can get their fifteen minutes and their few dollars out of this....Just let her be well...1hereever she is.

Me too CD, and the insertion of shady characters leads to so much confusion with people like Cobra. Last night again Hart was back-stepping to ADMIT none of this came from LE investigators. It's all about guys playing cops and robbers, not much help to LE IMO.

Oh yeah, and the great benefit is they don't have to abide by the CONSTITUTION....what a plus eh?:w00t: JMO

Peaches

03-28-2009, 01:13 PM

I don't know Teresa, but I see a comment about Ron in the rumor section of FCN beneath the article describing the events of the past two days regarding Kimball's statement. JMO.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134771&catid=3

I am not sure at all if it could be connected and I pray for Teresa and all the other people who are suffering right now without Haleigh Cummings. :wub:

Thank you Candy Kisses,

Maybe I just did not read correctly or someone posted incorrectly. At this very minute, my 5 year old grandson is having emergency surgery at Children's Hospital. He jumped off 2 steps/fell and messed up his elbow terribly. I feel so helpless even with this.................I do not know what I would do if he or any of the other gb's were missing.

Prayers for the entire family!

Hope to day for Cayley!

odyssey

03-28-2009, 02:06 PM

Did they say what, specifically, was causing too much danger? Weather conditions? Area they wanted to search?

TIA

Here you go .. it was on our thread last night :)

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Asked-Not-To-Search-For-Haleigh/vIZNm345KUKnF43W8hC_OQ.cspx

Organizers with the search group have said sheriff’s officers told them not to look in areas because of the dangers. They said outside of the wildlife, other illegal activity going on in the woods could pose a problem for the volunteers. Officers also told the searchers if they did find any evidence, they could contaminate the scene and the evidence would be useless.

ETA i have not put any links i have posted here into the links thread the last couple of days .. sorry.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 02:12 PM

If...and that's a mighty big IF...Misty was abused or whatever when she was 13, her parents (and authorities, i.e., CPS) surely did a CRAPPY job of getting her some counseling or other suitable guidance/assisstance. She was kicked out of her house at 16 and shortly thereafter shacked up with a pedophile and left in charge of raising his brood and subject to his abuse! It's not a surprise that she was out getting wasted and not being responsible enough to care for two innocent children. That's precisely why one of them is now missing! I sure hope CPS does a better job at getting care/help for Crystal's other child that is apparently still in the home with those sick, drug-addicted idiots! His mother and grandmother are only enabling his twisted and illegal behaviors.

whatever you think about her it is not a mighty big if; it is a fact. And Jeremy Miller is the one who did it to her. He went to trial, he was convicted. He is still in prison.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 02:20 PM

Innocent people are convicted everyday...:tonguewag:

so ... someone who was convicted with ample proof of doing some horrible things to a thirteen year old girl may be innocent to you

but someone who was far away from his home at work supporting his family may be guilty to you.

thank you. that clarifies a lot to me.

Now, not that you care about her, but i am certain you would be able to find out more just by going down there and speaking to the right people. That would require more than giving someone the raspberry who is trying to figure out what happened to a little girl though so ...

jmoo
:seeya:

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 02:20 PM

Here you go .. it was on our thread last night :)

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Asked-Not-To-Search-For-Haleigh/vIZNm345KUKnF43W8hC_OQ.cspx

Organizers with the search group have said sheriff’s officers told them not to look in areas because of the dangers. They said outside of the wildlife, other illegal activity going on in the woods could pose a problem for the volunteers. Officers also told the searchers if they did find any evidence, they could contaminate the scene and the evidence would be useless.

ETA i have not put any links i have posted here into the links thread the last couple of days .. sorry.

Thanks for that link! Much appreciated.

Now I know a couple of other things that I did not know before - first one being that a larger area than I realized had already been searched.

Excerpt here...

Police said they combed through an area of five square miles in the days and weeks following Haleigh’s disappearance.

Which brings up the question of why Teresa would have told Cobra the PI when she went roaming around in the woods that it was an area that had NOT been searched? That whole story about hog traps/pens, small trailer in the boonies, 6 ft snakes & so on & so forth is just too weird on every level, IMO.

I have no idea what the general vicinity is like within 10 miles of Ron & Misty's MH - but if that article is correct, I am getting the impression that there are people & specific types of places LE does not want regular folks to get in the middle of. Does anyone in the semi-local area know the extent of Meth problems that part of the state has? That is 1 situation I can think of that LE would NOT want regular folks to innocently stumble upon unawares.

JMO

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 02:21 PM

whatever you think about her it is not a mighty big if; it is a fact. And Jeremy Miller is the one who did it to her. He went to trial, he was convicted. He is still in prison.

Do you know in which county he was convicted? TIA

odyssey

03-28-2009, 02:24 PM

Do you know in which county he was convicted? TIA

I *think* it was Flagler but will put jmo.

heidi

03-28-2009, 02:26 PM

:::no::no:Did they say what, specifically, was causing too much danger? Weather conditions? Area they wanted to search?

TIA

Too many BAD CHARACTERS IN THE WOODS as I understand it as well as wildlife.It CERTAINLY MUST BE FULL OF DRUGS.
I hope what I have said is true and not forbidden

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 02:26 PM

Maybe I just did not read correctly or someone posted incorrectly.

I think you might have read this post, which was on yesterday's thread, #742, written by doctor J

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12942788&highlight=collapse#post12942788

doctor_J
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009
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I'm afraid the next news of TN is that she has been hospitalized. She really looks like she's about to collapse.

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 02:27 PM

I *think* it was Flagler but will put jmo.

Thanks! I will root around a bit more later on.

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 02:31 PM

:::no::no:

Too many BAD CHARACTERS IN THE WOODS as I understand it as well as wildlife.It CERTAINLY MUST BE FULL OF DRUGS.
I hope what I have said is true and not forbidden

I think you are safe to say it is your opinion that it MAY be full of drugs!

I am thinking pretty much the same thing. Perhaps they are having the same difficulties with meth labs as some other areas of the country. IF they are, LE is correct that it would be too dangerous for regular folks to just go rooting around. Their intentions would be good, but if someone cooking meth saw a small group looking here & there & getting too close to their own property, it could get very ugly, very fast.

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 02:37 PM

Flagler County. I know them. Things are not always as they seem! Misty is the LAST person on earth I would believe about anything! She's a lying, twisted little slore and Haliegh's "disappearance" is a direct result of her irresponsible and selfish actions. It will all be known by the public soon enough.

Are you at liberty to give us at least a little hint on how you know them? Former co-worker with a family member? Neighbor? Friends of friends? Went to school together?

Can you expand on which ones you know? Misty only? Ron & Misty? All the Croslins?

Last of all, where does your confidence stem from that "it will all be known by the public soon enough"??

TIA

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 02:51 PM

I just love it when people come on here and say stuff like that and then leave :rolleyes:

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 02:53 PM

No problem horse.

Peaches, please let everyone know that TN subject is rumor, unless you know for sure.

Not even a rumor....It was the misreading of a post IMO

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 02:55 PM

I just love it when people come on here and say stuff like that and then leave :rolleyes:

I know exactly what you mean. I don't even want to think about all the different cases that have had jump-ins who claim to know everything from A to Z. We have had bona fide insiders, but I would guess we have had a lot more pretenders.

JMO

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 02:57 PM

I know exactly what you mean. I don't even want to think about all the different cases that have had jump-ins who claim to know everything from A to Z. We have had bona fide insiders, but I would guess we have had a lot more pretenders.

JMO

Sure seems that way Mimi! We have had to sort thru this stuff since I first got here in Peterson West :rolleyes:

odyssey

03-28-2009, 03:01 PM

Sure seems that way Mimi! We have had to sort thru this stuff since I first got here in Peterson West :rolleyes:

Aahh .. Scotty .. that was the only other case i have ever really posted on .. that was a wild ride but a lot of cool people (and not so much with some lol) .. do you remember who it was that used to do the experiments for us .. even putting on his wet suit a time or two and getting out his boat? (sorry for the o/t)

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 03:03 PM

Aahh .. Scotty .. that was the only other case i have ever really posted on .. that was a wild ride but a lot of cool people (and not so much with some lol) .. do you remember who it was that used to do the experiments for us .. even putting on his wet suit a time or two and getting out his boat? (sorry for the o/t)

Sorry...I don't remember that lol

Back O/T Do you think that people are going to search this weekend anyway? I don't think LE can stop them...can they?

crymeariver2006

03-28-2009, 03:03 PM

Aahh .. Scotty .. that was the only other case i have ever really posted on .. that was a wild ride but a lot of cool people (and not so much with some lol) .. do you remember who it was that used to do the experiments for us .. even putting on his wet suit a time or two and getting out his boat? (sorry for the o/t)

LOL, that was somebody named Tree!

Now that's a blast from the past.

:laugh:

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 03:06 PM

Sure seems that way Mimi! We have had to sort thru this stuff since I first got here in Peterson West :rolleyes:

I think Westerfield was winding down when I got here - & I am hardly able to keep up with more than one board/thread per day - but even with that low level involvement I can sure remember a whole heck of a lot of time when someone or another jumps in, makes bold claims, then jumps right out again. Weird. Very weird.

OTOH, I have read some of the comments on the more local news websites & some of them are pretty disturbing. I'm not talking about the wild-eyed, semi-ranting, mostly illiterate carrying-on sort of posts - every new website gets them & they are all pretty much in the same vein no matter what the subject is - I'm talking about the straightforward stuff that does not sound as if the person has an old axe to grind from another time, etc. It bothers me tremendously that so many of them mention Ron having a bad reputation in the area & a bad drug reputation as well.

JMO

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 03:09 PM

I think Westerfield was winding down when I got here - & I am hardly able to keep up with more than one board/thread per day - but even with that low level involvement I can sure remember a whole heck of a lot of time when someone or another jumps in, makes bold claims, then jumps right out again. Weird. Very weird.

OTOH, I have read some of the comments on the more local news websites & some of them are pretty disturbing. I'm not talking about the wild-eyed, semi-ranting, mostly illiterate carrying-on sort of posts - every new website gets them & they are all pretty much in the same vein no matter what the subject is - I'm talking about the straightforward stuff that does not sound as if the person has an old axe to grind from another time, etc. It bothers me tremendously that so many of them mention Ron having a bad reputation in the area & a bad drug reputation as well.

JMO

I have read many of them as well Mimi....IMO this whole group of people that surrounded Haleigh have serious issues! So scary to think what could have happened to her :sad:

odyssey

03-28-2009, 03:09 PM

Sorry...I don't remember that lol

Back O/T Do you think that people are going to search this weekend anyway? I don't think LE can stop them...can they?

i don't know how they can stop someone from walking in the woods as long as they are not owned by someone else however anything they find might be considered compromised. and if they run up on something/someone that injures them i am not sure how the town powers would handle that.

and CRY .. yes TREE see i thought that was his name but i got confused seeing the tree tree that posts now and is female . .i thought maybe i had remembered wrong .. thanks :)

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 03:12 PM

I worked for the attorneys. That's all I can say without breaching confidentiality boundaries. So I should probably say JMO like the rest of you. :unsure:

Which attorneys?

MrLucky917B

03-28-2009, 03:12 PM

:read:
:read::rose::rose;
I just saw on websleuths where the search today was caled off by LE
THEY SAY IT IS TOO DANGEROUS.

From the begining LE hasn't wanted anyone but their own searching, they are probably worried of what might be found in the woods of Putnam County.

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 03:14 PM

From the begining LE hasn't wanted anyone but their own searching, they are probably worried of what might be found in the woods of Putnam County.

Morning Mr. Lucky

As far as I'm concerned....to bad! Haleigh should be their first concern...not the County's reputation. Makes me so mad :cursing:

MrLucky917B

03-28-2009, 03:23 PM

scary that LE thinks the woods in their county is unsafe...shouldn't they have cleaned them out long time ago

There isn't anyway that LE could clean out the whole county, even when they do bust an illegal operation 2 more will pop up in another area.

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 03:24 PM

Hope we don't have corrupt LE involved...but starting to wonder with all the dropped charges and wrong address issues. Hope the FBI is involved

It is my understanding that they are grma IMO

MrLucky917B

03-28-2009, 03:24 PM

Why is that Mr. Lucky? What is LE afraid of what could be found?

Grow houses, meth labs etc

kitty1182

03-28-2009, 03:26 PM

From the begining LE hasn't wanted anyone but their own searching, they are probably worried of what might be found in the woods of Putnam County.

That's what I was thinking.....:wink:

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 03:26 PM

Well, I was trying to find the link to the court info on Miller a few minutes ago when I was accused of running away from this forum...LOL! I'll try to find it. It was in Judge Hammond's court, he's an "old timer."

That was me and I apologize whoodunit. Just makes it difficult when someone posts a post like yours and then doesn't respond to questions. I am glad you are back.

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 03:31 PM

From the begining LE hasn't wanted anyone but their own searching, they are probably worried of what might be found in the woods of Putnam County.

Can you give us a few "for instance" sorta things? Meth labs? General drug houses? The sort of things prison gangs get involved with? Fencing operations? Chop shops? All the above & more?

I just don't know that area of the country at all, so I hesitate to hazard too many guesses on what might be going on that LE does not want innocent people stumbling across. But I can appreciate that there are some places & there are some things that LE really would not want regular folks to accidently come across.

As a reference example - It hasn't been that many years ago since my former son-in-law told me to avoid a very specific area of the county where I live. He essentially said..."well, whichever way you go, avoid County Road This, County Road That & Farm-to-Market Road Thus & So". As it happens, there had been an increasing influx of people who had been in prison & belonged to one of the prison gangs - & they were doing all sorts of nefarious & illegal activities in some of the least populated & better hidden places out in the boonies.

So...if that area in Florida has problems along those lines, I can sure understand why LE does not want regular citizens accidently coming across people of a similar nature & background.

JMO

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 03:35 PM

Can you give us a few "for instance" sorta things? Meth labs? General drug houses? The sort of things prison gangs get involved with? Fencing operations? Chop shops? All the above & more?

I just don't know that area of the country at all, so I hesitate to hazard too many guesses on what might be going on that LE does not want innocent people stumbling across. But I can appreciate that there are some places & there are some things that LE really would not want regular folks to accidently come across.

As a reference example - It hasn't been that many years ago since my former son-in-law told me to avoid a very specific area of the county where I live. He essentially said..."well, whichever way you go, avoid County Road This, County Road That & Farm-to-Market Road Thus & So". As it happens, there had been an increasing influx of people who had been in prison & belonged to one of the prison gangs - & they were doing all sorts of nefarious & illegal activities in some of the least populated & better hidden places out in the boonies.

So...if that area in Florida has problems along those lines, I can sure understand why LE does not want regular citizens accidently coming across people of a similar nature & background.

JMO

Your scenario may very well be true Mimi...then why not help with the search? Have Officers or Cadets with them? It just makes me so sad that no one is looking for her :sad:

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 03:38 PM

Hey everyone. So I havent really kept up with this case. Just know what I have seen on the news and popping in periodically on the message boards. WHY did Ron have custody of the kids?? Was it just because he could financially support them when the mother could not, or are there other circumstances that are behind that??

How far does the mother live from the kids??

Wish I could condense the court proceedings about custody for you...I just don't know that I can. But if you check the links thread it is all in there.

IIRC she lives 2 hours away IMO

MrLucky917B

03-28-2009, 03:38 PM

Can you give us a few "for instance" sorta things? Meth labs? General drug houses? The sort of things prison gangs get involved with? Fencing operations? Chop shops? All the above & more?

I just don't know that area of the country at all, so I hesitate to hazard too many guesses on what might be going on that LE does not want innocent people stumbling across. But I can appreciate that there are some places & there are some things that LE really would not want regular folks to accidently come across.

As a reference example - It hasn't been that many years ago since my former son-in-law told me to avoid a very specific area of the county where I live. He essentially said..."well, whichever way you go, avoid County Road This, County Road That & Farm-to-Market Road Thus & So". As it happens, there had been an increasing influx of people who had been in prison & belonged to one of the prison gangs - & they were doing all sorts of nefarious & illegal activities in some of the least populated & better hidden places out in the boonies.

So...if that area in Florida has problems along those lines, I can sure understand why LE does not want regular citizens accidently coming across people of a similar nature & background.

JMO

It's not just that area of Florida, it's all over the country. In my county (which borders Putnam Co) There is at least 1 bust a month for a grow house or meth lab and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 03:42 PM

Thanks for that link! Much appreciated.

Now I know a couple of other things that I did not know before - first one being that a larger area than I realized had already been searched.

Excerpt here...

Police said they combed through an area of five square miles in the days and weeks following Haleigh’s disappearance.

Which brings up the question of why Teresa would have told Cobra the PI when she went roaming around in the woods that it was an area that had NOT been searched? That whole story about hog traps/pens, small trailer in the boonies, 6 ft snakes & so on & so forth is just too weird on every level, IMO.

I have no idea what the general vicinity is like within 10 miles of Ron & Misty's MH - but if that article is correct, I am getting the impression that there are people & specific types of places LE does not want regular folks to get in the middle of. Does anyone in the semi-local area know the extent of Meth problems that part of the state has? That is 1 situation I can think of that LE would NOT want regular folks to innocently stumble upon unawares.

JMO

Because of selective editing, we still do not know what prompted the meeting or Teresa in the woods.

From Cobra's own mouth came some very questionable verbiage IMO.

It went from thinking they were trying to kill him, to him having no fear, to him rectifying someone who tries to BS him, to him talking about 158 police officers having been down there three times...GMAB.

I think he was rectifying his one-up with RC by using Teresa. I'll wait until Teresa tells us what prompted her to go down there, cuz the stink is on Cobra IMO. Again, looking more like a bad attempt at a pilot for a reality show. Maybe he wants to be the NEW DOG CHAPMAN. JMO

http://www.artharris.com/

Mimi, she never said what you are claiming on that video. She said SHE DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CHILDREN THERE, SHE HAD NEVER BEEN THERE UNTIL THAT MORNING. JMO but I hope you will watch so you can see for yourself.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 03:46 PM

Found it Mimi

http://www.flaglerclerk.com/pa/pages/CRTVCaseSummary.jsp?case_id=8268000%20%20%20%20%20 %20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&xsl=

Peaches

03-28-2009, 03:49 PM

No problem horse.

Peaches, please let everyone know that TN subject is rumor, unless you know for sure.

Around 12:00 today: I posted this: Post #31 - Page 1

Maybe I just did not read correctly or someone posted incorrectly. At this very minute, my 5 year old grandson is having emergency surgery at Children's Hospital. He jumped off 2 steps/fell and messed up his elbow terribly. I feel so helpless even with this.................I do not know what I would do if he or any of the other gb's were missing.

Maybe you had me on ignore..........or you just skipped my post.........or you misread what I said..............How could so many have simply missed it?????????????? Just asking?

Sorry I was away from the computer but my grandson needed his Grammie!

odyssey

03-28-2009, 03:50 PM

Thanks odyssey, so Jeremy did have an atty.

sorry i was not aware that other poster was looking. i have them on ignore.

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 03:53 PM

From the begining LE hasn't wanted anyone but their own searching, they are probably worried of what might be found in the woods of Putnam County.

at any given time LE may have severa active investigations going on in a common area, and even common residences/locations.....there could be CIs involved that could be seriously compro,ised, and other lives in danger if even one item is compromised....It is not as simple as just going into an area looking for a specific subject and finding it.

It doesn't seem fair and it IS NOT always fair, but all lives involved have to be taken into consideration.

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 03:53 PM

Found it Mimi

http://www.flaglerclerk.com/pa/pages/CRTVCaseSummary.jsp?case_id=8268000%20%20%20%20%20 %20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&xsl=

Thanks! Now I wonder what made him decide to plead "no contest". That was a pretty significant sentence to take w/o even so much as a protest. Another one of those things on the list of many things that make you go "hmmmmmm".

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 03:56 PM

ETAhttp://www.artharris.com/

Mimi, she never said what you are claiming on that video. She said SHE DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CHILDREN THERE, SHE HAD NEVER BEEN THERE UNTIL THAT MORNING. JMO but I hope you will watch so you can see for yourself.

CANDY - I haven't ever been able to view that video. I've tried on ArtHarris.com, YouTube and BlinkOnCrime and they all say the video is "no longer available." :crying: Any idea why it's been disabled? Or, is it available elsewhere?[/QUOTE]

The video on Art Harris site works for me. Must be your computer????

And you are correct in what Theresa says

ETA quote is messed up...so sorry

Peaches

03-28-2009, 03:57 PM

WAY TO HIDE! :thumbsup::tonguewag::thumbsup:

Welcome...............whoodunit.

I may not agree with what you post but that is okay. We can just agree to disagree but love to see new poster come aboard.

Stay around............tell us what you think and how you feel.

IlliniFan

03-28-2009, 03:57 PM

Around 12:00 today: I posted this: Post #31 - Page 1

Maybe I just did not read correctly or someone posted incorrectly. At this very minute, my 5 year old grandson is having emergency surgery at Children's Hospital. He jumped off 2 steps/fell and messed up his elbow terribly. I feel so helpless even with this.................I do not know what I would do if he or any of the other gb's were missing.

Maybe you had me on ignore..........or you just skipped my post.........or you misread what I said..............How could so many have simply missed it?????????????? Just asking?

Sorry I was away from the computer but my grandson needed his Grammie!

Aww poor little guy. I'm sorry to read this. He will need a bunch of TLC...

I'm sorry Peaches, I bet he will do just fine.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 03:58 PM

Thanks! Now I wonder what made him decide to plead "no contest". That was a pretty significant sentence to take w/o even so much as a protest. Another one of those things on the list of many things that make you go "hmmmmmm".

because of what he did to her and the way he held her against her will, that is the reason, in my opinion .. one line says no contest the other says guilty and he is a registered sex offender now because of it.

jmoo

odyssey

03-28-2009, 04:02 PM

Welcome...............whoodunit.

I may not agree with what you post but that is okay. We can just agree to disagree but love to see new poster come aboard.

Stay around............tell us what you think and how you feel.

i have no problem engaging with people who have opinions that differ from mine .. i won't willingly expose my spirit to venom, hatefulness, and meanspirited spite though on any side of the fence.

I pray only the truth of what happened to Haleigh on 2/9 and 2/10 is discovered and above all that she is found.

jmoo

crymeariver2006

03-28-2009, 04:05 PM

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 04:08 PM

Post 399 is quite informative about Jeremy Miller

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=538940#post538940

He sure looks related to Misty! Doesn't make it so....but they sure look alike IMO

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:12 PM

Aww poor little guy. I'm sorry to read this. He will need a bunch of TLC...

I'm sorry Peaches, I bet he will do just fine.

Thank you so much. He is a trooper!

This is important to me. Everyone of the responders ask my grandson, himself, what had happened. How did he get hurt.

I was so happy to see that this is done because of abuse. If the child is able to tell the truth that is.

When his parents arrived home, they asked who he wanted in the aublance with him, he said Grammie...........but, they said that is not a choice....you get mommy or daddy. Grammie is home with his little sister.

Out of surger now........2 hours of repair.......but the doctors said looks great. He will have to have his arm checked during his growning years but doctors said that did not expect any problems.

Thanks again..............love those babies...........everyone's babies.

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 04:14 PM

Thank you so much. He is a tropper!

This is important to me. Everyone of the responders ask my grandson, himself, what had happened. How did he get hurt.

I was so happy to see that this is done because of abuse. If the child is able to tell the truth that is.

When his parents arrived home, they asked who he wanted in the aublance with him, he said Grammie...........but, they said that is not a choice....you get mommy or daddy. Grammie is home with his little sister.

Out of surger now........2 hours of repair.......but the doctors said looks great. He will have to have his arm checked during his growning years but doctors said that did not expect any problems.

Thanks again..............love those babies...........everyone's babies.

So glad he is doing well Peaches! I will keep him in my prayers that he continues to heal!

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 04:16 PM

Thank you so much. He is a tropper!

This is important to me. Everyone of the responders ask my grandson, himself, what had happened. How did he get hurt.

I was so happy to see that this is done because of abuse. If the child is able to tell the truth that is.

When his parents arrived home, they asked who he wanted in the aublance with him, he said Grammie...........but, they said that is not a choice....you get mommy or daddy. Grammie is home with his little sister.

Out of surger now........2 hours of repair.......but the doctors said looks great. He will have to have his arm checked during his growning years but doctors said that did not expect any problems.

Thanks again..............love those babies...........everyone's babies.
god Bless that baby!

....and his grammie....and all that love him and that he loves!

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 04:17 PM

Post 399 is quite informative about Jeremy Miller

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=538940#post538940

Thanks for posting that link.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 04:18 PM

What was he originally charged with?

I am not positive. The information I have is the limited amount I found on the internet and by speaking to a woman whose son went to school with Misty when the incident happened and followed the proceedings.
My *guess* would be kidnapping and the other i won't say but based on what i was *told* (and this person is no fan of the cummings side), eight years was a gift .. again i cannot confirm it so please take it with a grain of salt.

jmoo

odyssey

03-28-2009, 04:19 PM

Thank you so much. He is a tropper!

This is important to me. Everyone of the responders ask my grandson, himself, what had happened. How did he get hurt.

I was so happy to see that this is done because of abuse. If the child is able to tell the truth that is.

When his parents arrived home, they asked who he wanted in the aublance with him, he said Grammie...........but, they said that is not a choice....you get mommy or daddy. Grammie is home with his little sister.

Out of surger now........2 hours of repair.......but the doctors said looks great. He will have to have his arm checked during his growning years but doctors said that did not expect any problems.

Thanks again..............love those babies...........everyone's babies.

Thank goodness he is doing well. i'd be sick with worry.

IlliniFan

03-28-2009, 04:23 PM

Thank you so much. He is a tropper!

This is important to me. Everyone of the responders ask my grandson, himself, what had happened. How did he get hurt.

I was so happy to see that this is done because of abuse. If the child is able to tell the truth that is.

When his parents arrived home, they asked who he wanted in the aublance with him, he said Grammie...........but, they said that is not a choice....you get mommy or daddy. Grammie is home with his little sister.

Out of surger now........2 hours of repair.......but the doctors said looks great. He will have to have his arm checked during his growning years but doctors said that did not expect any problems.

Thanks again..............love those babies...........everyone's babies.

That's good news Peaches...I'm sure you were worried, but it sounds like he did just fine. I'm sure he had a good surgeon..Hopefully he isn't in much pain..

teresa

03-28-2009, 04:23 PM

Miller was not "found guilty" or "convicted" by a judge or jury after a fair and impartial trial with "ample proof"...he PLED NO CONTEST and was sentenced to 8 yrs. Maybe you should get your story straight before you start spouting about what he supposedly did to poor little Misty. JMO

hmmm...it must have been a slam dunk for the prosecution if he didn't even fight the charges, don't you think?

crymeariver2006

03-28-2009, 04:23 PM

I am not positive. The information I have is the limited amount I found on the internet and by speaking to a woman whose son went to school with Misty when the incident happened and followed the proceedings.
My *guess* would be kidnapping and the other i won't say but based on what i was *told* (and this person is no fan of the cummings side), eight years was a gift .. again i cannot confirm it so please take it with a grain of salt.

jmoo

Thanks!

So this guy was 17 and Misty was 13 at the time? 2005?

Was there anyone else involved, or do you know?

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 04:23 PM

He sure looks related to Misty! Doesn't make it so....but they sure look alike IMO

Doesn't it say that he is still incarcerated? :confused:

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:26 PM

i have no problem engaging with people who have opinions that differ from mine .. i won't willingly expose my spirit to venom, hatefulness, and meanspirited spite though on any side of the fence.

I pray only the truth of what happened to Haleigh on 2/9 and 2/10 is discovered and above all that she is found.

jmoo

Odyssey, I meant no harm for my post. I was not referring to anyone except the person to whom I addressed.

My wishes / prayers / hopes are that whoever is responsible for HaLeigh's disappearance will be punished.

BTW, I have never known you to post incorrect information, or to be hateful to any other poster. In fact, I have always found your post fair and sincere.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2009, 04:26 PM

Doesn't it say that he is still incarcerated? :confused:

Not sure how your question relates to my post...but yes he is.

I never said he had anything to do with what is going on now :confused:

odyssey

03-28-2009, 04:26 PM

Thanks!

So this guy was 17 and Misty was 13 at the time? 2005?

Was there anyone else involved, or do you know?

he was sixteen or seventeen(would have been seventeen that year but not sure if he had had his birthday yet) and yes she was thirteen ..

eta i was not told about anyone else being charged so i can't answer that sorry

kkmiausa

03-28-2009, 04:27 PM

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:28 PM

Well, it was a "he said, she said" situation...She was only 13...cops lie (believe it or not), family members lie...and trials are very expensive, even if only a bench trial without a jury. Like I said before, innocent people are convicted every day. Our judicial system is nothing more than a glorified version of "Let's Make a Deal." Except that big money buys breaks, if you know what I mean. (Connections too, as in the case of Ronnie boy.) The lawyers are in it for the money or the "win." Also, when you plead no contest, you are at the mercy of the Court as to the length of sentence you'll get and you can't appeal.

Some who are innocent do pay for a crime they did not commit.

BUT, some who are guilty walk.

Even if our justice system has missteps, I believe in it.

moo

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:33 PM

god Bless that baby!

....and his grammie....and all that love him and that he loves!

Thank you so much for your well wishes and prayers. And you too KKKKKKatie!

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 04:39 PM

Some who are innocent do pay for a crime they did not commit.

BUT, some who are guilty walk.

Even if our justice system has missteps, I believe in it.

moo

Many more walk free for various reasons IMO Peaches and that's the way the system was designed. The requirements are high to charge someone, and the courts do their best IMO.

Again, is this guy still incarcerated as stated on the link meadow has up?:confused:

Mamie

03-28-2009, 04:39 PM

It's very sad IMHO From the get go Ron was anti Junior's statements. For a Father who has a missing Daughter he sure seems to know 100% that what Junior is saying is a lie. On top of that not only did he himself come out on nationwide tv swinging that what Junior is saying was false he is also allowing his lawyers to publicly call his own son a liar?
:sneaky:

I don't think Ron meant that at all. I think Ron thinks that Junior was goaded into saying those things. I notice you use the word "false" when coupled with Ron, but with the lawyers, the word becomes "liar". He is a little boy, they generally at his age, do not lie but can easily be persuaded to say things that others ask them to say. JMO

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:40 PM

So glad he is doing well Peaches! I will keep him in my prayers that he continues to heal!

Thank you very much. He melts my heart!

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:41 PM

god Bless that baby!

....and his grammie....and all that love him and that he loves!

Thank you very much. He has his grammie's number so I will be playing more games with him than before. :biggrin:

rosieposett

03-28-2009, 04:43 PM

Why not allow searchers? They are always called in the first days to search. What if someone accidentally finds a body? Wouldn't that be a help? I don't get this at all. Last I checked this was a free country and people should be allowed to help if it is not private property.

Normally a searcher finding a body would be a good thing one would think. But what if LE has a suspect and is hoping that suspect will lead them to the body, If there is a body, and a searcher finds the body before that can happen. See what I mean? jmo

ETA: Yes, in my opinion, the body needs to be found. But prosecutors may want a suspect to lead them to a body to tighten the ropes in case of a trial. Hope I am making sense here. jmo

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:44 PM

Thank goodness he is doing well. i'd be sick with worry.

Odyssey, thank you so much for your thoughts and prayers. He reminds me so much of my only son; I am just putty in his hands.

Please, allow me to say "sorry" for any misunderstand -- misstatements that might have sounded as if I thought you were not a great poster on these boards.

I always read all your post and truly find you to be fair.

nana6

03-28-2009, 04:46 PM

Thank you so much. He is a trooper!

This is important to me. Everyone of the responders ask my grandson, himself, what had happened. How did he get hurt.

I was so happy to see that this is done because of abuse. If the child is able to tell the truth that is.

When his parents arrived home, they asked who he wanted in the aublance with him, he said Grammie...........but, they said that is not a choice....you get mommy or daddy. Grammie is home with his little sister.

Out of surger now........2 hours of repair.......but the doctors said looks great. He will have to have his arm checked during his growning years but doctors said that did not expect any problems.

Thanks again..............love those babies...........everyone's babies.

Hi Peaches, We too went thru this with an arm. She was in surgery for over 2 hours. Pins were put in and then another surgery to take them out. These little ones have alot of spunk though. I must say too, they really love the attention they get from this with all the presents etc, I am so happy he did well in surgery though. God bless him Nana

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 04:48 PM

It's very sad IMHO From the get go Ron was anti Junior's statements. For a Father who has a missing Daughter he sure seems to know 100% that what Junior is saying is a lie. On top of that not only did he himself come out on nationwide tv swinging that what Junior is saying was false he is also allowing his lawyers to publicly call his own son a liar?
:sneaky:

Can you provide a link to RC allowing his lawyers to publicly call his own son a liar?

The only things I've read acknowledge the vocabulary isn't even conducive with that used by Junior. Maybe IF Crystal and the Brothers Rivera put this together, they didn't really know how to best have him present the story which could easily be spoonfed IMOO.

I don't believe for a second the man everyone is afraid of knew of a story like that from Junior and Misty and the other man would be thriving day to day in our world. JMO tho.

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:48 PM

I don't think Ron meant that at all. I think Ron thinks that Junior was goaded into saying those things. I notice you use the word "false" when coupled with Ron, but with the lawyers, the word becomes "liar". He is a little boy, they generally at his age, do not lie but can easily be persuaded to say things that others ask them to say. JMO

I think this as well. Good post!

Mamie

03-28-2009, 04:50 PM

Saying something false means that someone is lying. As far as the "goading" implications there are specialist who deal with Children and if anyone had "goaded" that little boy they would have already found that out by now and you are right little children, especially at his age, generally do not lie.

You are correct in that specialists can deal with children and find this out, but I don't think WE KNOW that any such specialist has been commissioned for this just yet. Some times people just take the ball and run with it. I know this from personal experience where children are involved and no such specialist had ever been commissioned until I asked for it. Maybe this is what Ron should do is ask for such a specialist to talk with Junior alone. JMO

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:51 PM

Hi Peaches, We too went thru this with an arm. She was in surgery for over 2 hours. Pins were put in and then another surgery to take them out. These little ones have alot of spunk though. I must say too, they really love the attention they get from this with all the presents etc, I am so happy he did well in surgery though. God bless him Nana

Thank you so very much! My son said 3 pins. I feel certain he will milk it for all it is worth.:laugh:

teresa

03-28-2009, 04:53 PM

Why is that Mr. Lucky? What is LE afraid of what could be found?

Planted evidence?

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:53 PM

You are correct in that specialists can deal with children and find this out, but I don't think WE KNOW that any such specialist has been commissioned for this just yet. Some times people just take the ball and run with it. I know this from personal experience where children are involved and no such specialist had ever been commissioned until I asked for it. Maybe this is what Ron should do is ask for such a specialist to talk with Junior alone. JMO

Ron, Jr. was questioned by LE........I feel they had specialists talking with him/but do not know this for sure.

I am waiting for LE to tell something and then we will know what is the truth and what is not.

moo

Peaches

03-28-2009, 04:56 PM

O/T
Just read about your Grandson Peaches.

I myself had my shoulder darn near rebuilt and it was extremely painful.
I'm praying that all goes well especially with the pain management and after care. Physical therapy included.

That baby is in my prayers for sure!

Thank you so much. Is your shoulder doing okay now.

Specialist at children's said that we need to throw him back into the pool after the cast is off. Dr said this would be good therapy.

Thanks again! I was very frightened yesterday and so happy after the surgery! Now he will be fine I feel certain.

Mamie

03-28-2009, 04:56 PM

Miller is still incarcerated...he got 8 yrs, 2 mos...outdate is 2104, but he could possibly get out sooner with "good time" credit. His birthday is in September 1988, so he would only have been 16 when charged in March 2005.

A Strange Coincidence?- Misty also claimed a cousin "messed with her" when she was 13, according to her interview with Craig on Geraldo. It was assumed that she was referring to cousin "Joe" (Overstreet).

Geeze, how many guys has she accused of this type of behavior????? Look out White Boy Greg, you could be next. :sneaky:

When is Miller's outdate and when did he go in?

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 04:59 PM

That video footage is worse than Dominick's woods search. It is ludicrous. JMOO tho

The viewer is expected to believe that Cobra can't catch a slender, distraught woman wearing flipflops running thru the woods? But he is so great at his job he can catch a terrorist and other violent offenders in the greater Miami area?

Maybe his MAMA just got around to reading Lil Red Riding Hood and he was skeered? I hope he doessn't getting the big, bad wolf mixed up with the little boy that cried wolf. Or else I won't be the only one that thinks he is full of smoke.

Have you seen a shot of the underground pig pen yet? [color=silver]Huffing and puffing..... Goldilocks [/silver]

No Hale, I'm still very surprised by this selective production timed at three minutes and six seconds. He can get some great vulgar language in that short time IMO.

Didn't see the owner or the hogs for that matter. Interesting.

Didn't see Teresa tell him the area had not been searched but someone must have. I believe it was reported as fact here, but maybe I mistook an opinion for a fact. :wink: JMO

Mamie

03-28-2009, 04:59 PM

Ron, Jr. was questioned by LE........I feel they had specialists talking with him/but do not know this for sure.

I am waiting for LE to tell something and then we will know what is the truth and what is not.

moo

Exactly right. We need LE to tell us something and LE to say that a specialist was called in to speak with Junior alone. And that's they key----alone. It makes all the difference in the world.

MrLucky917B

03-28-2009, 05:00 PM

What about that trailor Cobra came across the other day? Was that a meth lab if you know?

I don't know, anything is possible.

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 05:01 PM

Do you happen to know how long it was from said incident till Mitsy's mom pressed charges?

I thought I read that the mom pressed charges. Why? I would think LE would have charged him. I'm not versed in the law and how things work. JMO

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 05:04 PM

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 05:13 PM

Was there a driveway you seen cuz I didn't see how that trailer get back there

Lots of people put old trailers back in the woods and use them as hunting camps. Sometimes they use old logging roads. The woods could have grown over the road by now. JMO

Mamie

03-28-2009, 05:16 PM

GGMa Sykes claims she "carried" Jr. from Ron's trailer to LE offices the morning Haliegh's disappearance was reported, so he could be questioned. (Who knows what all he overheard, Ron & Misty yelling, threats of shooting the sorry POS who stole his daughter, etc., before anyone else arrived.) I believe GGMa stated they had several officials interviewing Jr. and that he kept giving different stories. IMO it would not seem right to have "several" people interviewing or questioning a (then) 3 year old child. So who knows what really occurred or what the child actually told anyone. You are correct, a SPECIALIST should interview the child...but this should have been done immediately, not after numerous people had access to him.

You are so spot on with your statement! It could be that Junior's "story" (we'll call it) is comprised of both Mom's and Dad's words. Junior knows how upset is dad is about Haleigh and he loves his dad. And Mom may have helped Junior out in some way by planting words or the description he gave. Wasn't it Crystal that we first learned this from? JMO

Peaches

03-28-2009, 05:22 PM

teresa

03-28-2009, 05:24 PM

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 05:29 PM

Bolding mine. I'm trying to find the link to the interview with GGMa Sykes but I'm sure that's similar to what she said. I hadn't heard that TN was saying she took Jr. to be interviewed??? Maybe it was to a different/subsequent interview? UGH! That poor little boy. He's been questioned by LE and now will also be questioned by CPS officials. If he isn't already confused, he soon will be. I sure wish they would find Haleigh (alive).

I do remember reading that GGma Sykes took him to be questioned. I have not seen anything that said TN did it, but a reporter could have got it wrong. That has happened a few times in this & other cases. I think what he said immediately after would carry more weight than something that was said a few weeks after. If it ever comes to having a trial in this case, could the people who interviewed him for LE testify as to what he said? JMO

Janz

03-28-2009, 05:29 PM

It's not just that area of Florida, it's all over the country. In my county (which borders Putnam Co) There is at least 1 bust a month for a grow house or meth lab and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Got a sister living in Alachua county. Yep, all this and more goes on there.

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 05:34 PM

Got a sister living in Alachua county. Yep, all this and more goes on there.

I don't think one area in the country has any more than other areas. It is pretty much all over the USA. JMO

teresa

03-28-2009, 05:35 PM

Yes and in Jr's version of the story he is sleeping with Haleigh. That is all Misty needs, more inconsistencies to her story telling.

when did Jr say he was sleeping with Haleigh? On the GR show?

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 05:36 PM

That video footage is worse than Dominick's woods search. It is ludicrous. JMOO tho

The viewer is expected to believe that Cobra can't catch a slender, distraught woman wearing flipflops running thru the woods? But he is so great at his job he can catch a terrorist and other violent offenders in the greater Miami area?

Maybe his MAMA just got around to reading Lil Red Riding Hood and he was skeered? I hope he doessn't getting the big, bad wolf mixed up with the little boy that cried wolf. Or else I won't be the only one that thinks he is full of smoke.

Have you seen a shot of the underground pig pen yet? [color=silver]Huffing and puffing..... Goldilocks [/silver]

cobras latest production was worse than those terrorist productions from those remote caves !!!....VERY OBVIOUS slicing and dicing of the footage.....and that close-up of his worn belt and weapon.<around that belly>......couldnt catch "Mama"....YEAH.....aint scared of snakes...to trying to kill me...to rectifying.....

Hes an ijut!!!

Janz

03-28-2009, 05:37 PM

I don't think one area in the country has any more than other areas. It is pretty much all over the USA. JMO

True enough.

teresa

03-28-2009, 05:41 PM

It would be so odd if they did find out and were not publicly dismissing it if in fact they themselves believed that Juniors account of events were false...
Especially in light of the fact that there are statements since then that imply that Misty and WBG were together prior and possibly that night.
IMO LE needs to step up and dismiss the rumors or statements that they believe to be false. (Otherwise it leaves people assuming either way.)

That's our big problem Patricia. They aren't commenting on anything. It's probably the right thing to do, especially if they have an idea what happened, but it sure is driving me nuts. I hope we have an arrest soon (of the real guilty party) so we can find out some of what they know.

Leather&Lace

03-28-2009, 05:47 PM

GGMa Sykes claims she "carried" Jr. from Ron's trailer to LE offices the morning Haliegh's disappearance was reported, so he could be questioned. (Who knows what all he overheard, Ron & Misty yelling, threats of shooting the sorry POS who stole his daughter, etc., before anyone else arrived.) I believe GGMa stated they had several officials interviewing Jr. and that he kept giving different stories. IMO it would not seem right to have "several" people interviewing or questioning a (then) 3 year old child. So who knows what really occurred or what the child actually told anyone. You are correct, a SPECIALIST should interview the child...but this should have been done immediately, not after numerous people had access to him.

JMO but we do not know that a child specialist did not interview Junior! LE is not giving out information so there is no way to verify just who interviewed Junior.
Emme

smartpantz

03-28-2009, 05:50 PM

teresa

03-28-2009, 05:50 PM

Juvey records (if he has any priors) should be sealed, but it isn't just those with priors that get sentenced to prison; and I wouldn't think they'd put sex offenders with 8+ yrs in less than med sec facilities. JMO And I have no interest in writing to anyone in prison for a sex offense, guilty or not, because I AM a victim of aggravated sexual assault. Unlike Misty, I would never lie about such things, especially when a child's life is at stake.

How are you so sure she lied? This guy pled to 8 years in prison. At his age, they must have had some pretty decent evidence. He pled not guilty and then coincidentally, he changed his plea after his lawyer got discovery from the state.

It's weird to me because my daughter's 13 year old friend met a 21 (!) year old guy who gave her booze and pot and then he took her to his empty grandmother's house. We all searched for that girl until late that night until the police found them. She was nude and had had s-e-x with him. The hospital confirmed that and the drugs per their tests. This guy got only one year in prison!

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 05:51 PM

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Hilarious!

I'm afraid if they haven't already properly questioned Jr. (by a professional trained for that), it might be too late now, considering who all and what he's been subjected to. Can you imagine what the poor little guy's been through?

You're correct. An interview at this late date would never be allowed in as evidence. I guess what he said when he was interviewed right after the disappearance could almost be the same as an excited utterance. JMO

teresa

03-28-2009, 05:51 PM

That's what I was asking whodoneit. All indications at least from what I have read is it was Lisa that pressed the charges.

imo

And in my daughter's friends case, it was the parents who pressed charges. Maybe that's how they do it? I don't know.

teresa

03-28-2009, 05:54 PM

Correction: It's driving US nuts! (I agree with everything you said.)

lol, Patricia. I first wrote "us" but I didn't want to accuse you guys of being as crazy as I am!

Texas48

03-28-2009, 05:56 PM

What about that trailor Cobra came across the other day? Was that a meth lab if you know?
I was reading your post and happen to think of something I had wanted to ask and kept forgetting. At beginning of case LE took Crystal to a vacant barn or house..does anyone know why? I have not heard any nore about it since that day.

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 05:56 PM

Correction: It's driving US nuts! (I agree with everything you said.)

I know Im being naiive....but I dont want an arrest for ONE REASON....because I think that will just verify that Haleigh is dead.....and I SO dont want to think that.....I want it to be a scam and all fo the scammers can go off to jail and Heleigh can live happily ever after somewhere with SANE HONEST people...

.....but.....

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 05:57 PM

I'm just curious as I have no idea but are you 100% sure that's how it would go down if they did do another interview?
If so Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr! x's a thousand.... and then some.

I'm not 100% sure about anything when it comes to the law, evidence and the way lawyers can manipulate the evidence. JMO

Leather&Lace

03-28-2009, 05:59 PM

I done gone and read other forums on other sites of folks claiming this or that and don't none of it make me no never mind. It's all hearsay and questionable as to where the information is REALLY generating/coming from.
Bottom line is that if LE wants to either prove or disprove what little Junior is saying then they need to re interview this little boy. Considering that it is a little boy he might respond better to a male interviewer vs the "she" female interviewer.
JMO

:thumbsup:This post is excellent in more ways than one! :laugh:

teresa

03-28-2009, 06:00 PM

I wonder if any arrest warrant, court document could contain Jr.'s statement if a black man in black clothes is arrested. It is also hearsay from a person who may not be reliable factually and could have asked leading questions. Did they ask Jr. if he saw that black man that Misty allegedly was "flinging " with take Haleigh? Any chance of getting an admissable tape of Jr. making the statement to a professional is blown now. The statement also is not age appropriate for a 4 yo child. "squeaking","bouncing", "couch" are questionable terms for a 4 yo. After what some people in this case have called African- Americans, I think Jr. would have said the "N " word instead of black anyway! JMO

Plus, he was just three turning four when it happened. There's a big difference in that and a child a week away from turning five, in my experience.

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 06:00 PM

Texas48

03-28-2009, 06:02 PM

at any given time LE may have severa active investigations going on in a common area, and even common residences/locations.....there could be CIs involved that could be seriously compro,ised, and other lives in danger if even one item is compromised....It is not as simple as just going into an area looking for a specific subject and finding it.

It doesn't seem fair and it IS NOT always fair, but all lives involved have to be taken into consideration.ITA Dawn...IMO LE is investigating and I believe they know where they are going with this case. Everyone is hungry for info and getting very little. It hard to know a child is out there somewhere. :sad:

teresa

03-28-2009, 06:03 PM

I was reading your post and happen to think of something I had wanted to ask and kept forgetting. At beginning of case LE took Crystal to a vacant barn or house..does anyone know why? I have not heard any nore about it since that day.

Of all the weird things in this case, that's the strangest one to me. I've never heard or read a single thing about it since. I thought maybe it was reporter error but I looked and it was more than one reporter who said this so I'm really confused by that.

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 06:03 PM

Juvey records (if he has any priors) should be sealed, but it isn't just those with priors that get sentenced to prison; and I wouldn't think they'd put sex offenders with 8+ yrs in less than med sec facilities. JMO And I have no interest in writing to anyone in prison for a sex offense, guilty or not, because I AM a victim of aggravated sexual assault. Unlike Misty, I would never lie about such things, especially when a child's life is at stake.

Anyone can say and be anything they want on the web, but the proof is in the documentation and the court record and it reflects Misty was taken seriously and that Jeremy was even transferred to an adult prison/jail after a motion being filed IMO.

I can't imagine anyone claiming to be a victim of sexual assault simply dismissing a minor making such an allegation and the perp sitting in jail for it. Let's not forget she didn't have the ability to consent at age 13 by law IMO.

What is the age of consent in Florida?

So, again, what is it that the link meadow put up from February has to do with Haleigh being missing given this sex offender is in PRISON? :confused:

JMO

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 06:06 PM

Why do he wear that paratrooper pants and black tshirt with the simulated logo tack on. Its so humid it ought to be a crime. He cant be exe military or law cuz his personal hygene dont conform.

Do you know what them codes was he nexteled to his son when they were going in the woods. Is giving us clues

Cobra is a walking cliche....a BAD cliche!!!.....

NO....but Im hoping he screws up enough for LE to subpoena his phone records....Hes basicly <well I aint allowed to say that here>....and if hes ex military I can see why hes EX military....

Mamie

03-28-2009, 06:07 PM

I'm thinking that we are all in agreeance that Junior needs to be re-interviewed by a "trained specialist" if they haven't already done so. One appointed by LE would be good.
JMO

Only one appointed by LE if truly competent but I'm going for one who has really the best reputation at interviewing children. I am skeptical when it comes to truly leaving everything in the hands of LE. They are no saints (a lot of them) and just because they have their stamp on it, doesn't mean it's necessarily so. But I am wondering if now might be too late to have him interviewed.

Anyone know how old you have to be to be put under hypnosis? I know the RC would have to give his approval and if safe, I cannot come up with a reason why he wouldn't want it, but I do not know that they put little ones under at this age. JMO

teresa

03-28-2009, 06:12 PM

Sorry to hear about what happened to your daughter's friend. Obviously that 21 y.o. should have gotten a heavier sentence.

As for Miller, let's be clear: he did not "plead to 8 years in prison." He pled "no contest" which means he is not admitting guilt and is at the mercy of the court as far as the sentence. That's alot different than entering into a plea agreement for a specified sentence. As far as initially pleading not guilty and later changing it, that is standard procedure, especially in felony cases. The defendant is arraigned and must enter a plea in order to GET discovery from the PA. I'm just saying there are many factors to consider when someone is convicted and sentenced...it does not necessarily mean they are guilty or the case was a slam-dunk against them. Some people just don't want to roll the dice with a jury/trial, especially if their attorney is recommending other alternatives, if they don't have money, etc.

I agree totally on the 21 year old. I think they found he had learning disabilities and maybe that played into it. The girl is now a 17 year old honor student but every kid in her high school (3000 students) knew about this and they still call her terrible names. She got a lot of therapy and seems ok now.

I have/had two defense lawyers in my family and I would be shocked if there isn't more to that case than he said/she said considering the sentence he got. Maybe they are just tougher in FL than here but that's a long sentence for what you make it sound like.

Texas48

03-28-2009, 06:13 PM

It's very sad IMHO From the get go Ron was anti Junior's statements. For a Father who has a missing Daughter he sure seems to know 100% that what Junior is saying is a lie. On top of that not only did he himself come out on nationwide tv swinging that what Junior is saying was false he is also allowing his lawyers to publicly call his own son a liar?
:sneaky:I agree Patricia. With a missing daughter Ron would/should take any info...even from a 4 yo..and think about it just like many here have instead of dismissing it as 100% a lie. Did he ever once ask himself if what Jr. was saying could EVEN be possible? Seemed like Ron was jumping way too fast calling it a lie. jmo

Peaches

03-28-2009, 06:14 PM

How are you so sure she lied? This guy pled to 8 years in prison. At his age, they must have had some pretty decent evidence. He pled not guilty and then coincidentally, he changed his plea after his lawyer got discovery from the state.

It's weird to me because my daughter's 13 year old friend met a 21 (!) year old guy who gave her booze and pot and then he took her to his empty grandmother's house. We all searched for that girl until late that night until the police found them. She was nude and had had s-e-x with him. The hospital confirmed that and the drugs per their tests. This guy got only one year in prison!

How sad...............I am sorry that this child had to go through something like this.

No matter how closely we watch our children, sometimes bad things happen.:sad:

CC I See

03-28-2009, 06:15 PM

Well, it was a "he said, she said" situation...She was only 13...cops lie (believe it or not), family members lie...and trials are very expensive, even if only a bench trial without a jury. Like I said before, innocent people are convicted every day. Our judicial system is nothing more than a glorified version of "Let's Make a Deal." Except that big money buys breaks, if you know what I mean. (Connections too, as in the case of Ronnie boy.) The lawyers are in it for the money or the "win." Also, when you plead no contest, you are at the mercy of the Court as to the length of sentence you'll get and you can't appeal.You are so right. Weren't we discussing on the board yesterday that eyewitness accounts are only as credible as the person making them? It was in reference to people coming forward about the alleged abuse of Haleigh and Ron Jr. Why should we believe anybody without physical evidence other than he said she said.

teresa

03-28-2009, 06:22 PM

How sad...............I am sorry that this child had to go through something like this.

No matter how closely we watch our children, sometimes bad things happen.:sad:

I know Peaches and the consequences to the child can affect them for life.

Texas48

03-28-2009, 06:22 PM

My opinion is Ron is taking that position because it is Crystal who is claiming his son said such things, and they are in a pizzing match right now. ALSO, the things their son allegedly said don't make Daddy and his slore bride look very favorably in the eyes of LE and CPS and he is fearful of the upcoming custody battle.
I do believe this is the only reason is making the claims he has. It all has to do w/Crystal. If one of them says suns up the other is going to say suns down...kwim..What would be the reason Cyrstal would put a story like Jr told into his little head? There would be NO reason. Ron should be able to step back and see that. JMO

teresa

03-28-2009, 06:25 PM

[QUOTE=teresa;12944758]I agree totally on the 21 year old. I think they found he had learning disabilities and maybe that played into it. The girl is now a 17 year old honor student but every kid in her high school (3000 students) knew about this and they still call her terrible names. She got a lot of therapy and seems ok now.

OMG! That's terrible that others were calling that girl names, especially after what she'd been through. But I guess kids will be kids. Bless her heart. I'm glad to hear she got therapy and it sounds like she is doing great!

So far, so good. She's like my other daughter. It was awful to go through. The parents agreed with the prosecution to accept a plea to keep her from having to testify.

CC I See

03-28-2009, 06:30 PM

I KNOW! I was shocked to hear them say that the "cousin Joe" who had allegedly "messed with Misty" when she was young...was at Ronald and Misty's trailer a few days before Haliegh went missing. WTH??? I don't care if I were an addict and he was the only drug supplier, someone who had done something like that to me (or my gf) would NEVER set foot on my property and definitely would not be anywhere near my little girl! I still wonder about that guy although LE has reportedly said he isn't connected. It doesn't make any sense. Most people would if it were true.

rosieposett

03-28-2009, 06:33 PM

I do believe this is the only reason is making the claims he has. It all has to do w/Crystal. If one of them says suns up the other is going to say suns down...kwim..What would be the reason Cyrstal would put a story like Jr told into his little head? There would be NO reason. Ron should be able to step back and see that. JMO

I agree. The best interest of Jr. should come first between the two of them. They should love Jr. more than they detest each other. jmo

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 06:37 PM

You are so right. Weren't we discussing on the board yesterday that eyewitness accounts are only as credible as the person making them? It was in reference to people coming forward about the alleged abuse of Haleigh and Ron Jr. Why should we believe anybody without physical evidence other than he said she said.

So apply that to the case we are discussing with names please.

What is the "he said she said" concerning the abduction of Haleigh Cummings?

JMO

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 06:44 PM

I don't think it is the son who is accused of lying. Maybe Jr told daddy what happened. I wonder if LE has shared with Ron what Jr said. JMO

I think that's safe to say at this point given nobody can come up with such a statement. It sounds like Craig probably picked up some gossip, passed it on to Crystal, maybe she got confirmation and passed it on to him for all we know and voila....Junior gets fed a story based on someone's theory.

It's easy to toy with the mind of a child and the conversation on Geraldo was looking very rehearsed and contrived by the biological mother of Junior IMO and that is what Kimball was driving at IMO. :unsure:

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 06:48 PM

Well you ladies and gents have a good evening. I have carpal tunnel and I've just about worn my little fingers down to numb-nubbies with all this jabbering. :wink:

Feel free to bash me while I'm gone. :tonguewag:

Oh darn and still no legal opining on age of consent in FLORIDA?

Round 1 Credibility goes to Misty on more than "he said, she said" IMO. :wink:

Evidence sitting in jail now. jmo

Mamie

03-28-2009, 06:49 PM

Well you ladies and gents have a good evening. I have carpal tunnel and I've just about worn my little fingers down to numb-nubbies with all this jabbering. :wink:

Feel free to bash me while I'm gone. :tonguewag:

Have a great evening, whoodunit, I'm going to take a nap as soon as my last batch of pb cookies come out of the oven.:thumbsup:

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 06:50 PM

Unfortunately I am of the opinion that someone abducted her from that home while Misty wasn't watching (either not home or not in her right mind, passed out, etc.) I just can't bring myself to believe that either parent is involved in the demise of that little princess. I hope I am wrong and she will be found alive and returned to whomever is deemed suitable to best care for her and her brother. God knows they deserve some peace and happiness!

WOW, we can agree on something. :thumbup:

Themis

03-28-2009, 06:58 PM

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Could this be what your looking for?
Reference Post 192 by Meadow

Thanks for the link, Meadow!:thumbsup:
That article was written 2/24/09 and updated 2/25/09.
It has been a long time since I read that article. Two things jumped out at me:

1. "He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday." Monday, 2/23/09

That's a bit odd, isn't it. Sykes stating she was there 10 minutes after WE noticed she was gone. According to the Incident Report 1325 by Officer Nelson he responded to the 911 phone call (logged in at 3:27 A.M.) using red light and siren and got there at 3:40 A.M. That's 13 minutes. Sykes got there in 10 and she lives in Waleka. Add to that she was likely asleep in bed, awakened by phone, had to get out of bed, get dressed and walk to her car.

2. Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

So, according to Sykes she talked to Junior about what he saw and he didn't know anything...he was asleep. Yet the very next paragraph says relatives on both sides saw a man in a ski mask.

Now some blame has been put on the reporters for making errors. But it can't be reporter error every time.

And that is why I do not accept Sykes' statement as gospel that she was at the Cummings mobile home some time between 7 and 8 P.M. THAT Monday night, 2-9-09 -- thus extending the timeline Haleigh was last seen from Misty's timeline of a 5:45 P.M. departure by her brother until 8 P.M.

IMO, at this point the only assumed person who is NOT a blood relative who can testify that he saw Haleigh when he was there working is the A/C repair man. If he can't say absolutely that he saw Haleigh on 2-9-09 then the timeline is pushed back to between 3 - 4 P.M. when she left school or got off the bus.

Added Link: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

cat3

03-28-2009, 07:02 PM

Haleigh saw something she shouldn't have seen that evening. Could it be the mystery man was having a rumpus on the sofa with Misty? I say the girl was taken away because she witnessed something sexual going on between her future teenage stepmom and the mystery man, and probably said something.

Misty isn't telling the truth and it has detoured the investigation. I say Mr. Cummings blows in the next few weeks and kicks her out. Not that he’s a prize either but I think Misty was playing him for a fool and still is.

A "rumpus"? I have never heard IT called that before.lol.Learn something new everyday.
I also had the thought that Misty is playing Ron.After it first came out that Haleigh was missing,Misty IIRC was not seen by the media at least for a few days.I could be wrong,but that is what I remember.
Maybe Ron felt sorry for being so harsh with her,and let her back into the fold,or she whined enough that she knew nothing that he believed her.I agree that Misty is hiding something,but have a feeling that she won't ever break with the truth.IMO

cat3

03-28-2009, 07:12 PM

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 07:13 PM

How can anybody give any credibility to Misty. She says Crystal's children love her more than there own mom. Tells Amber she has her man and she will have her baby. Drug binge with another man the weekend before Haleigh goes missing. Doesn't recall right where the kids were or what they were wearing. accuses Cousin Jo of messing with her but doesn't report him but this other guy is sitting in jail who was also under age at the time for 8 years. I really don't care about all of that but I do strongly feel that she has some responsibility in all of this. Had Crystal done this I wouldn't blame her and Haleigh would be safe right now, but if she had why did she leave Jr.

Obviously the judge was provided with more than we are, and yet there sits Jeremy IN JAIL/PRISON and I know of no state that 13 is an age where you can consent, but that's JUST ME. That would indicate right up front the act was illegal IF SHE WAS UNDER THE AGE THAT SHE COULD CONSENT.

I don't think the Jeremy Miller case has anything to do with this and still don't understand why it's being brought up when we went through it back in February IMO. :confused:

I am not saying Misty has no responsibility in this, I have yet to see any proof of such. There is no proof as to whether she left the home, and your post about her binge is just your opinion after reading some gossip blogs similar to the tabloid papers at the check stand IMOO.

Sometimes they hit on something, and more often than not they are simply throwing any tawdry business they can out there IMO. :unsure:

rosieposett

03-28-2009, 07:18 PM

Reference Post 192 by Meadow

Thanks for the link, Meadow!:thumbsup:
That article was written 2/24/09 and updated 2/25/09.
It has been a long time since I read that article. Two things jumped out at me:

1. "He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday." Monday, 2/23/09

That's a bit odd, isn't it. Sykes stating she was there 10 minutes after WE noticed she was gone. According to the Incident Report 1325 by Officer Nelson he responded to the 911 phone call (logged in at 3:27 A.M.) using red light and siren and got there at 3:40 A.M. That's 13 minutes. Sykes got there in 10 and she lives in Waleka. Add to that she was likely asleep in bed, awakened by phone, had to get out of bed, get dressed and walk to her car.

2. Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

So, according to Sykes she talked to Junior about what he saw and he didn't know anything...he was asleep. Yet the very next paragraph says relatives on both sides saw a man in a ski mask.

Now some blame has been put on the reporters for making errors. But it can't be reporter error every time.

And that is why I do not accept Sykes' statement as gospel that she was at the Cummings mobile home some time between 7 and 8 P.M. THAT Monday night, 2-9-09 -- thus extending the timeline Haleigh was last seen from Misty's timeline of a 5:45 P.M. departure by her brother until 8 P.M.

IMO, at this point the only assumed person who is NOT a blood relative who can testify that he saw Haleigh when he was there working is the A/C repair man. If he can't say absolutely that he saw Haleigh on 2-9-09 then the timeline is pushed back to between 3 - 4 P.M. when she left school or got off the bus.

Added Link: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Hi Themis. I am trying to think.....didn't a neighbor reportedly say Haleigh was seen playing in the yard after she got home from school? Still that would only push the time up maybe a few mins. ??

teresa

03-28-2009, 07:18 PM

Reference Post 192 by Meadow

Thanks for the link, Meadow!:thumbsup:
That article was written 2/24/09 and updated 2/25/09.
It has been a long time since I read that article. Two things jumped out at me:

1. "He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday." Monday, 2/23/09

That's a bit odd, isn't it. Sykes stating she was there 10 minutes after WE noticed she was gone. According to the Incident Report 1325 by Officer Nelson he responded to the 911 phone call (logged in at 3:27 A.M.) using red light and siren and got there at 3:40 A.M. That's 13 minutes. Sykes got there in 10 and she lives in Waleka. Add to that she was likely asleep in bed, awakened by phone, had to get out of bed, get dressed and walk to her car.

2. Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

So, according to Sykes she talked to Junior about what he saw and he didn't know anything...he was asleep. Yet the very next paragraph says relatives on both sides saw a man in a ski mask.

Now some blame has been put on the reporters for making errors. But it can't be reporter error every time.

And that is why I do not accept Sykes' statement as gospel that she was at the Cummings mobile home some time between 7 and 8 P.M. THAT Monday night, 2-9-09 -- thus extending the timeline Haleigh was last seen from Misty's timeline of a 5:45 P.M. departure by her brother until 8 P.M.

IMO, at this point the only assumed person who is NOT a blood relative who can testify that he saw Haleigh when he was there working is the A/C repair man. If he can't say absolutely that he saw Haleigh on 2-9-09 then the timeline is pushed back to between 3 - 4 P.M. when she left school or got off the bus.

Added Link: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

Per Det Shauland, a neighbor saw her playing. (This was on Prime News so no link but many, including me, heard it. If you search the internet you will see that.) Also, they said they offered LDT's to many family members and many of them took them up on their offer. There is a reason LE's timeline starts at 7:00.

I find it strange that you analyze their reported spoken words. People in different areas and different educational levels don't all talk the same. And, yes sometimes they do get misreported.

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 07:24 PM

I asked earlier if you knew Misty. Or do you know Jeremy? It sure would help out on why you post like you do. I did read you are in the legal profession, but that doesn't tell me why your posting like you do.

That's a reasonable post bully. I was especially saddened to see that Misty is instantly dismissed as a past victim of assault by an alleged survivor and the perp is in JAIL/PRISON. :w00t:

JMO

teresa

03-28-2009, 07:25 PM

Not been able to keep up today...Any thing new?

Not that we know of Pia.

teresa

03-28-2009, 07:26 PM

wanted to say Hi to all. I am new here and to the world of posting. I became interested in the Caylee case and then the Haleigh case after I was injured and this is what I turned to. Tried soaps on tv but just could not do. Thanks for any help.

lol, you picked the right case to follow.

Money Girl

03-28-2009, 07:29 PM

Reference Post 192 by Meadow

Thanks for the link, Meadow!:thumbsup:
That article was written 2/24/09 and updated 2/25/09.
It has been a long time since I read that article. Two things jumped out at me:

1. "He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn't know anything...said he was asleep," Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday." Monday, 2/23/09

That's a bit odd, isn't it. Sykes stating she was there 10 minutes after WE noticed she was gone. According to the Incident Report 1325 by Officer Nelson he responded to the 911 phone call (logged in at 3:27 A.M.) using red light and siren and got there at 3:40 A.M. That's 13 minutes. Sykes got there in 10 and she lives in Waleka. Add to that she was likely asleep in bed, awakened by phone, had to get out of bed, get dressed and walk to her car.

2. Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.

So, according to Sykes she talked to Junior about what he saw and he didn't know anything...he was asleep. Yet the very next paragraph says relatives on both sides saw a man in a ski mask.

Now some blame has been put on the reporters for making errors. But it can't be reporter error every time.

And that is why I do not accept Sykes' statement as gospel that she was at the Cummings mobile home some time between 7 and 8 P.M. THAT Monday night, 2-9-09 -- thus extending the timeline Haleigh was last seen from Misty's timeline of a 5:45 P.M. departure by her brother until 8 P.M.

IMO, at this point the only assumed person who is NOT a blood relative who can testify that he saw Haleigh when he was there working is the A/C repair man. If he can't say absolutely that he saw Haleigh on 2-9-09 then the timeline is pushed back to between 3 - 4 P.M. when she left school or got off the bus.

Added Link: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132095&catid=295

For my personal timeline, I am using the time she got off the bus. (and that is assuming she was in school that Monday.)

Themis

03-28-2009, 07:29 PM

Hi Themis. I am trying to think.....didn't a neighbor reportedly say Haleigh was seen playing in the yard after she got home from school? Still that would only push the time up maybe a few mins. ??
Thank you, Rosie. If that sighting of Haleigh by a neighbor has been confirmed by a member of L.E. (as Teresa poiinted out) then that is good enough for me.

TxLady2

03-28-2009, 07:36 PM

You are so spot on with your statement! It could be that Junior's "story" (we'll call it) is comprised of both Mom's and Dad's words. Junior knows how upset is dad is about Haleigh and he loves his dad. And Mom may have helped Junior out in some way by planting words or the description he gave. Wasn't it Crystal that we first learned this from? JMO

See, this is where I am confused. GGma says she personally took Jr. in to be questioned the same morning. It was reported that Crystal did not even arrive in Satsuma until 11:00 that day, (not positive, this is what a reporter stated), but Crystal said on a t.v. interview that when she got him for her visitation the following weekend that he told her a man in black took his sissy and he wanted to find her. This was obviously the first time Crystal had heard Jr.'s story, then? So how does this go to her being the one who coached him? He must have told his daddy or gma something first, for them to take him in to be questioned by professionals. And I think I read that GGma said she took him to a child psychologist.
Now... the story evolving into a black man dressed in black wearing squeaky shoes and the bouncing couch.. that could be details he is just now remembering OR it could be someone adding a little color to the story. Who knows? But... if Gma was asked by LE to take him somewhere to be questioned by professionals... then there is probably something to the story... he saw something, heard something.

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 07:46 PM

See, this is where I am confused. GGma says she personally took Jr. in to be questioned the same morning. It was reported that Crystal did not even arrive in Satsuma until 11:00 that day, (not positive, this is what a reporter stated), but Crystal said on a t.v. interview that when she got him for her visitation the following weekend that he told her a man in black took his sissy and he wanted to find her. This was obviously the first time Crystal had heard Jr.'s story, then? So how does this go to her being the one who coached him? He must have told his daddy or gma something first, for them to take him in to be questioned by professionals. And I think I read that GGma said she took him to a child psychologist.
Now... the story evolving into a black man dressed in black wearing squeaky shoes and the bouncing couch.. that could be details he is just now remembering OR it could be someone adding a little color to the story. Who knows? But... if Gma was asked by LE to take him somewhere to be questioned by professionals... then there is probably something to the story... he saw something, heard something.

I thought CS had the children the weekend before the disappearance on Mon. If so, that would mean 2 weeks passed before she had JR. I'm not doubting GGm Sykes that she took JR., but I would have thought LE would have taken him in. Maybe they had GGm take him in order to not put any more stress on him. It does not appear that GGm was present while he was being questioned.

In respone to a poster above re GGm living in Waleka. I thought GGm lived just around the corner from RC and GM Sykes lived in Waleka. I read (police report?) that LE arrived at 3:40 and GM Sykes arrived shortly thereafter. JMO

TxLady2

03-28-2009, 07:49 PM

That's what I was asking whodoneit. All indications at least from what I have read is it was Lisa that pressed the charges.

imo

I could be off about this, but I am assuming that Misty told her mom and that is how LE knew about it. Her mom had to make the complaint, i.e., press charges, otherwise it would have been Misty's word against Jeremy's, and LE would have no proof of a crime with which to charge him. I am not certain but I don't think minors can press charges, has to be the parents. If her mom had chosen to not believe her or not go in and press charges, he would never have been charged, sentenced and sent to prison.
And in comment about a "no contest" I thought that meant the accused was admitting to guilt, no trial necessary.

cat3

03-28-2009, 07:51 PM

I had not read this either so TY from me too. The article was interesting. I was under the impression that LE specialist that spoke with the little boy had asked both sides of the family not to duscuss it with Jr. At end of the article I would assume Ron's family had spoken with the child ref. his story. I heard Crystal's attorney had advised Crystal not to question the boy and she had not.

Crystal had Jr. on Geraldo and she did ask Jr. questions about what he had seen that night.IMO

Themis

03-28-2009, 07:53 PM

Per Det Shauland, a neighbor saw her playing. (This was on Prime News so no link but many, including me, heard it. If you search the internet you will see that.) Also, they said they offered LDT's to many family members and many of them took them up on their offer. There is a reason LE's timeline starts at 7:00.

I find it strange that you analyze their reported spoken words. People in different areas and different educational levels don't all talk the same. And, yes sometimes they do get misreported.

Thank you for your post, Teresa. With respect to reported spoken words....when a reporter puts quotation marks around statements by a person interviewed I take them as such -- exact words. So when there are quotes around Sykes' statement that she got there in 10 minutes thereby beating the first cop on the scene by 3 minutes who used red lights and siren, I go with that rather than try to interpret what Sykes might have said instead.

As you said, there are regional accents and different levels of education and not everyone hears the same thing.

I cannot count the times this message board has been filled with dozens of posts by various people saying 'I heard Joe Blow say this on NG' and another chimes in with something different enough to put the statement into a completely different context. Then a 3rd poster chimes with yet another slightly 'heard' version.
I do not tape the various shows such as N. Grace, Jane V-M, or Geraldo and listen to interviews over and over and try to take down verbatim what they say. I have neither the time nor the interest.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 07:53 PM

Obviously the judge was provided with more than we are, and yet there sits Jeremy IN JAIL/PRISON and I know of no state that 13 is an age where you can consent, but that's JUST ME. That would indicate right up front the act was illegal IF SHE WAS UNDER THE AGE THAT SHE COULD CONSENT.

I don't think the Jeremy Miller case has anything to do with this and still don't understand why it's being brought up when we went through it back in February IMO. :confused:

I am not saying Misty has no responsibility in this, I have yet to see any proof of such. There is no proof as to whether she left the home, and your post about her binge is just your opinion after reading some gossip blogs similar to the tabloid papers at the check stand IMOO.

Sometimes they hit on something, and more often than not they are simply throwing any tawdry business they can out there IMO. :unsure:

It is my fault it was brought back up. I was wondering if maybe, because of what happened to her when she was thirteen, something really traumatic happened in the mobile home and she her mind blocked it out do to her past assault .. some sort of mental break that blocked her memory. And since then she has been trying to remember what went on and i was wondering if hypnosis would help.

Now soon after i mentioned that someone asked who did it to her i told them and then this one poster started trashing Misty which obviously wasn't my intention. I was just brainstorming. No matter what happened i want those responsible to pay. That has nothing to do with me wondering what went on and why there might be inconsistencies.

If you had a mental block and it was the middle of the night would you *know* you had one or would you just think you had been sleeping or something and try to piece together what you *should* remember?

jmoo

teresa

03-28-2009, 07:55 PM

I had not read this either so TY from me too. The article was interesting. I was under the impression that LE specialist that spoke with the little boy had asked both sides of the family not to duscuss it with Jr. At end of the article I would assume Ron's family had spoken with the child ref. his story. I heard Crystal's attorney had advised Crystal not to question the boy and she had not.

Crystal didn't even have an attorney at the time of the man in black story. She asked her not to discuss it with him anymore.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 07:57 PM

I thought CS had the children the weekend before the disappearance on Mon. If so, that would mean 2 weeks passed before she had JR. I'm not doubting GGm Sykes that she took JR., but I would have thought LE would have taken him in. Maybe they had GGm take him in order to not put any more stress on him. It does not appear that GGm was present while he was being questioned.

In respone to a poster above re GGm living in Waleka. I thought GGm lived just around the corner from RC and GM Sykes lived in Waleka. I read (police report?) that LE arrived at 3:40 and GM Sykes arrived shortly thereafter. JMO

No, CS had them the weekend before that. She got junior the weekend after Haleigh went missing. His birthday also fell on that weekend, on the fifteenth.

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 07:59 PM

Crystal had Jr. on Geraldo and she did ask Jr. questions about what he had seen that night.IMO

see that is just a crying shame!!!

exploiting that child on GERALDO of all places no less :mad: :cuss: :cursing:

?noanswer

03-28-2009, 08:00 PM

see that is just a crying shame!!!

exploiting that child on GERALDO of all places no less :mad: :cuss: :cursing:

People will do anything if the price is right. JMO

TxLady2

03-28-2009, 08:00 PM

No it is not unusual for Misty's Mom NOT to bring charges. She did not file charges agaisnt Miller, she filed for a restraining order against him. That is just a court order for him to have no contact with Misty. She doesn't have the ability to file criminal charges against him. Only the prosecutor can charge someone with a crime, not a private citizen.

Do you know that Lisa Croslin didn't do anything about Misty's allegation about JoeO "messing with her"? I have no knowledge if that allegation was ever reported prior to Misty making that statement on TV. They may have kept it quiet since it concerned family...but Misty's dad said Joe was 'troubled" and Misty said he had "been a criminal all his life."

Ok, I see what you're saying now. There is a difference in "pressing" charges and "filing" charges and I think that is what some are getting confused over. Only LE can file charges, and being this was a felony, all Misty's mom could do was to report the crime, which could not have been known by LE unless she made the complaint to start with.
In misdemeanors, a person can choose whether or not to press charges, right? But not in a felony case.

teresa

03-28-2009, 08:03 PM

Thank you for your post, Teresa. With respect to reported spoken words....when a reporter puts quotation marks around statements by a person interviewed I take them as such -- exact words. So when there are quotes around Sykes' statement that she got there in 10 minutes thereby beating the first cop on the scene by 3 minutes who used red lights and siren, I go with that rather than try to interpret what Sykes might have said instead.

As you said, there are regional accents and different levels of education and not everyone hears the same thing.

I cannot count the times this message board has been filled with dozens of posts by various people saying 'I heard Joe Blow say this on NG' and another chimes in with something different enough to put the statement into a completely different context. Then a 3rd poster chimes with yet another slightly 'heard' version.
I do not tape the various shows such as N. Grace, Jane V-M, or Geraldo and listen to interviews over and over and try to take down verbatim what they say. I have neither the time nor the interest.

I totally agree with your post here. I just don't think you can hold GGM to her time estimate in your earlier post considering the circumstances. I think she lives closer than Teresa does so it may have been 10 minutes after she was notified. Even the first police report had inaccuracies in it.

I have a great example of what you said re NG and other shows. The other night Kim P said she has a good idea of what happened that night and it "wasn't Misty's version". Now, I read people who think they heard "it's not a missing person" [case]. They don't even go check the video for themselves and others pick it up and now it is stated as fact that Kim P said something she never even said.

cat3

03-28-2009, 08:06 PM

see that is just a crying shame!!!

exploiting that child on GERALDO of all places no less :mad: :cuss: :cursing:

I know.I was plenty peeved at the time.Now with the Haleigh "abuse" photos coming out,Jr on TV seems small in comparison.IMO

bookie

03-28-2009, 08:08 PM

Crystal didn't even have an attorney at the time of the man in black story. She asked her not to discuss it with him anymore.

Wayanne Kruger got onboard around 3/10. Kim Picazio came onboard a couple of days later. Junior was on Geraldo around 3/3. The attorney may have told Crystal not to ask him questions but that horse was already out of the barn.

sunstar

03-28-2009, 08:11 PM

cat3

03-28-2009, 08:12 PM

yes I did hear the interview from GR and Crystal and Jr. but I was talking about after that is when Crystals attorney said Crystal ad been advised NOT to question or talk to Jr. about the story any more.

Gotcha.I thought being new you may have missed the Geraldo interview of Jr.

TxLady2

03-28-2009, 08:13 PM

I thought CS had the children the weekend before the disappearance on Mon. If so, that would mean 2 weeks passed before she had JR. I'm not doubting GGm Sykes that she took JR., but I would have thought LE would have taken him in. Maybe they had GGm take him in order to not put any more stress on him. It does not appear that GGm was present while he was being questioned.

In respone to a poster above re GGm living in Waleka. I thought GGm lived just around the corner from RC and GM Sykes lived in Waleka. I read (police report?) that LE arrived at 3:40 and GM Sykes arrived shortly thereafter. JMO

IIRC, the following weekend was Jr.'s birthday and Crystal's weekend visitation.
I don't know where everybody lives but the Sykes is the Great-grandma and Teresa is the grandma. I thought I read that Teresa lived in Waleka, so maybe it is Great-grandma Sykes that lives around the corner from Ron.
It's all pretty confusing. But I do know that the older lady with short gray hair is Ggma Sykes and Ron's grandmother, Teresa's mother.

teresa

03-28-2009, 08:13 PM

According to this old article Junior was questioned by a professional team of protectors. I am assuming the interview was well documented if not taped, and will be available when necessary to dispute anyone's claim that someone is lying.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-23/story/brother_man_in_black_grabbed_haleigh

I don't believe that article has correct information because LE hasn't confirmed that and the article states it as fact that he told the child professionals that. Not unless this is the only leak from LE.

The other linked article said both sides of the family say he said the man had a ski mask on not that he was black. I just wonder who these papers were getting their info from early on. I can just imagine how the rumors and even facts were distorted as they moved from person to person even if not intentionally.

I wonder if we ever get to see LE documents if they will keep Jr's interviews private?

MoonFlwr

03-28-2009, 08:16 PM

teresa

03-28-2009, 08:20 PM

Wayanne Kruger got onboard around 3/10. Kim Picazio came onboard a couple of days later. Junior was on Geraldo around 3/3. The attorney may have told Crystal not to ask him questions but that horse was already out of the barn.

Yes it is. And I find it very hard to believe that the "bouncing couch" was part of the story at that time because Geraldo would have been all over that.

Plus, I linked a transcript the other day where Crystal said "I haven't asked him any questions" and then goes on to say "I asked him about the black, I mean the man in black". I know she was nervous and may have only been correcting herself but she admitted that she later asked him about it again.

I think only what Jr said to professional people will ever make it to court if even that.

Themis

03-28-2009, 08:26 PM

I totally agree with your post here. I just don't think you can hold GGM to her time estimate in your earlier post considering the circumstances. I think she lives closer than Teresa does so it may have been 10 minutes after she was notified. Even the first police report had inaccuracies in it.

I have a great example of what you said re NG and other shows. The other night Kim P said she has a good idea of what happened that night and it "wasn't Misty's version". Now, I read people who think they heard "it's not a missing person" [case]. They don't even go check the video for themselves and others pick it up and now it is stated as fact that Kim P said something she never even said.
With regard to Haleigh's great grandmother Annette Sykes, I did a bit of checking on a website. According to it and trusting its accuracy, Sykes is listed as having 2 addresses in Waleka. One is about 8.5 miles from the Cummings' mobile home and the other is about 12.2 miles according to Google's map service. I do not know which one Sykes currently lives in right now but I do believe she lives in Waleka somewhere because that is where Ron and Misty were married. Remember, it was Sykes' backyard where the ceremony was conducted by a female notary public and widely reported the home was in Waleka.
As for Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves, I do not recall off hand where she is currently living.

As for the 2nd paragraph of your post what can I say?:ohmy:

teresa

03-28-2009, 08:35 PM

What has LE confirmed? Not a thing that ICR. In the mean time all we can go by is what the media puts out in print. You either believe it or take it for what its worth. I must say there were many rumors early on, that now seem to be more than just a rumor. For example cousin Joe being a house guest of the Croslin's.

moo

From your newspaper link:

Did a man dressed in black sneak into the room where 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings was sleeping two weeks ago and steal her from her bed? That’s what her brother, Ronald Cummings Jr., then 3, told investigators from a child protection team when they interviewed him in the first few days after his sister disappeared.

I don't believe LE confirmed that. I think that came from families unless it is the first and only time LE has leaked anything. That's why I said I don't believe that newspaper has their info correct. I don't ever remember "rumors" about cousin Joe staying with Misty's brother. I thought that was fact all along?? It may be me, though, because I have read so many different things they start to blend together.

I'm not saying I don't believe whatever Jr told LE the first day. I just don't know what that is and how it compares to what Crystal says his story is now.

teresa

03-28-2009, 08:37 PM

With regard to Haleigh's great grandmother Annette Sykes, I did a bit of checking on a website. According to it and trusting its accuracy, Sykes is listed as having 2 addresses in Waleka. One is about 8.5 miles from the Cummings' mobile home and the other is about 12.2 miles according to Google's map service. I do not know which one Sykes currently lives in right now but I do believe she lives in Waleka somewhere because that is where Ron and Misty were married. Remember, it was Sykes' backyard where the ceremony was conducted by a female notary public and widely reported the home was in Waleka.
As for Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves, I do not recall off hand where she is currently living.

As for the 2nd paragraph of your post what can I say?:ohmy:

What is that game kids play where you whisper to someone and then go around the room and see what the final version is? That's what the internet reminds me of!

MoonFlwr

03-28-2009, 08:45 PM

What is that game kids play where you whisper to someone and then go around the room and see what the final version is? That's what the internet reminds me of!

Broken telephone?

I remember reading the original post where the person was trying to say that ...MAYBE the next thing we'll hear is that GGMa is in hospital...but I had to do a double take, because the way it was written, it sounded like she WAS in hospital! :no:

Themis

03-28-2009, 08:52 PM

What is that game kids play where you whisper to someone and then go around the room and see what the final version is? That's what the internet reminds me of!
That game is sometimes called Telephone.
The game's name may be different based on regional area and local accents.:laugh:

According to the example of the website linked below, the sentence Pizza tastes great could end up as Pete's a great ape.

http://kidshealth.org/kid/feeling/emotion/gossip.html

Now if I could only convince the lead detective to fax me a copy of all their reports to date........:wink:

MoonFlwr

03-28-2009, 09:02 PM

Geraldo Crystal Junior Video

warning. Quality isn't that great.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d1-Little-brother-of-Haleigh-Cummings-now-says-black-man-dressed-in-black-took-her

Thanks for the link! :)

The child didn't volunteer ANY information on that video. He didn't even look like he was following the questions! She could've just been saying anything.

teresa

03-28-2009, 09:04 PM

GOSSIP! around here! jmo

lol, it's quiet here so I was reading another forum (my family went somewhere and left me :( ). They are still repeating the "it's not a missing person". :laugh:

teresa

03-28-2009, 09:06 PM

That game is sometimes called Telephone.
The game's name may be different based on regional area and local accents.:laugh:
According to the example of the website linked below, the sentence Pizza tastes great could end up as Pete's a great ape.

http://kidshealth.org/kid/feeling/emotion/gossip.html

Now if I could only convince the lead detective to fax me a copy of all their reports to date........:wink:

lol, you're funny Themis. :smile: Yes, telephone it is! Wanna start a rumor?

Daily_WrapUp

03-28-2009, 09:10 PM

Themis

03-28-2009, 09:20 PM

lol, you're funny Themis. :smile: Yes, telephone it is! Wanna start a rumor?
I've been looking for a zipped lips smilie ... can't find one. Dang!

Looking forward to Monday when, hopefully, Law Enforcement will give a status report or at least announce an upcoming press conference.
Also, waiting to hear if some volunteers searched over this weekend in spite of L.E. asking them not to do it.

P.S. BBL - attending to other stuff

bookie

03-28-2009, 09:22 PM

What did we learn today that is directly related to finding Haleigh? Does anyone here care, or is this all about voicing opinions about who would have been the better parent or who pretends that they worked for what law firm during past parental fights/past arrests/past restraining orders that have nothing to do with finding Haleigh?

Since none of us are LE there isn't anything we can directly do to find Haleigh unless we see her somewhere. What we can do is voice our opinions about anything relevant to her disappearance. Past fights/arrests/restraining orders may be relevant since we don't know what happened to her or who was responsible for her disappearance.

teresa

03-28-2009, 09:25 PM

I've been looking for a zipped lips smilie ... can't find one. Dang!

Looking forward to Monday when, hopefully, Law Enforcement will give a status report or at least announce an upcoming press conference.
Also, waiting to hear if some volunteers searched over this weekend in spite of L.E. asking them not to do it.

Do they give a daily status report even though there are on press conferences?

Peaches

03-28-2009, 09:25 PM

Daily_WrapUp

03-28-2009, 09:27 PM

Absolutely nothing new today.

Praying that HaLeigh will come home and that she is alive and well.Thank you Peaches.

Leather&Lace

03-28-2009, 09:32 PM

What did we learn today that is directly related to finding Haleigh? Does anyone here care, or is this all about voicing opinions about who would have been the better parent or who pretends that they worked for what law firm during past parental fights/past arrests/past restraining orders that have nothing to do with finding Haleigh?

Nothing new today as far as I know.

That is what we do on the boards, give our opinion, thoughts and feelings.
We are only commenting on what we have seen in the news or interviews with the family.

Actually, I wish the family had thought of "starting a child(ren) custody case" is not going to help find Haleigh.

Anyway, looks like you are new so Welcome!

Leather&Lace

03-28-2009, 09:33 PM

Ut oh. Geraldo is on BOR and he is livid at Ron's atty. for accusing him of paying Crystal a fee. Stay tuned...

ummm, going to check it out if I can find the channel.
TY for heads up.
Emme

Daily_WrapUp

03-28-2009, 09:35 PM

Since none of us are LE there isn't anything we can directly do to find Haleigh unless we see her somewhere. What we can do is voice our opinions about anything relevant to her disappearance. Past fights/arrests/restraining orders may be relevant since we don't know what happened to her or who was responsible for her disappearance.Thank you for your response bookie. I've always respected your posts and I know you're an informed poster, however:

I didn't ask what we can do. I asked whether there was any new information todaytowards finding Haleigh.

bookie

03-28-2009, 09:39 PM

Thank you for your response bookie. I've always respected your posts and I know you're an informed poster, however:

I didn't ask what we can do. I asked whether there was any new information todaytowards finding Haleigh.

Sorry....long day and I read the first part of your post wrong.

Leather&Lace

03-28-2009, 09:42 PM

nanieliz

03-28-2009, 09:44 PM

I'm bringing Politgal's link down here so I may comment on it.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-update-032809,0,2345710.story

First of all how would Ron's attys. know if Junior's story is untrue? Would LE allow his attys. to view Junior's interview, or are the attys. taking Ron's word?

And the attys state that Crystal received a sum of money from the Geraldo show, but then state its not a *fact*. Why state something they know might be untrue.

Looks like the propaganda train is about to be launched from the other side now.

moo

I "thought" I had heard on one of the interviews that LE had the proper kind of people talk to Jr. People who work with small kids to get information without putting anything in their heads.

Then gee,turns out Misty is seeing a black guy! May not be ANYTHING but I bet LE are looking into all of the players and just keeping things close to their vest!

Nanieliz-moo

teresa

03-28-2009, 09:45 PM

Ut oh. Geraldo is on BOR and he is livid at Ron's atty. for accusing him of paying Crystal a fee. Stay tuned...

oops. This doesn't bode well for tonight. My daughter just sent a text that they are two hours from home so I have to go (I'm still in my robe and haven't even brushed my hair!). Keep me posted!

MoonFlwr

03-28-2009, 09:50 PM

I am curious if Theresa had something she wanted looked at, why did she call Cobra and not LE? Does that make sense to anyone?

moo

hmmm dunno! Good question.

Could she have wanted it checked out before alerting LE to something that may've been considered a waste of time?

teresa

03-28-2009, 09:52 PM

I "thought" I had heard on one of the interviews that LE had the proper kind of people talk to Jr. People who work with small kids to get information without putting anything in their heads.

Then gee,turns out Misty is seeing a black guy! May not be ANYTHING but I bet LE are looking into all of the players and just keeping things close to their vest!

Nanieliz-moo

Your info about Misty is just rumor right now, but the quoted post in your post reminded me of something.

RC's lawyer stated that is speculation. I recall almost everything Kim P has stated on TV is speculation without disclosing it as so. What's the difference meadow?

Nanieliz..I'm just piggybacking on your post...I'm sorry because my question isn't directed to you but just reminded me of it.

teresa

03-28-2009, 09:54 PM

There is so much out there from the media that gets twisted and downright wrong, you don't know what to believe anymore. I hope LE does make some kind of statement soon. I am still puzzled as to why there aren't any searches going on even if they think she is 'gone', they should still be looking for her.

Flying out for DC early am..I probably won't have time to check in until next week because I'm not taking a computer with me this time...I'll be listening to an argument at The Supreme Court on Monday if I get there in time. It looks like a boring case but it will be cool to watch it...I hope...

Just praying that Haleigh is found safe and sound before I return.

For Haleigh and all her loved ones....:rose:...and everyone here.

Have a safe trip Pia. That sounds awesome to see the SC in action.

MrLucky917B

03-28-2009, 09:59 PM

ummm, going to check it out if I can find the channel.
TY for heads up.
Emme

Fox news channel at 10 eastern

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 10:01 PM

I "thought" I had heard on one of the interviews that LE had the proper kind of people talk to Jr. People who work with small kids to get information without putting anything in their heads.

<snipped>

LE said from the very beginning that multiple LE agencies were working together - including the FBI, which sent one of the special teams dedicated to child abduction cases. I would be more than willing to bet money that the FBI has the personnel (if local LE did not) who are well qualified to talk to very young children in such situations as this one.

JMO

Mimi428

03-28-2009, 10:02 PM

I am curious if Theresa had something she wanted looked at, why did she call Cobra and not LE? Does that make sense to anyone?

moo

I am curious about that, too. That whole scenario seems pretty bizarre from start to finish, IMO.

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 10:07 PM

Hi rosie..am new here and this post caught my eye. You are right especially in times like this. They loved each other enough to have babies and yet cannot bond together whilw they both have a missing daughter. Have never understood divorced parents that seeems their lives are filled with hate and they have kids together. Not saying they have to love each other but they can be civil to each other if nothing more for their children.

Ironically even with child support not being paid for a long time, they were treating each other with respect, and then people started questioning and posting about Crystal's back child support when opining on motives for abduction within the family, as well as her moving on to start a new family IMO. After that all the respect and decency in working together to find Haleigh went down the drain. :crying:

:wub:Come together to bring Haleigh home and let the chips fall where they may after her return.

:unsure:After all, isn't that what the courts did with the monies owed? JMO

Peaches

03-28-2009, 10:09 PM

Daily_WrapUp

03-28-2009, 10:15 PM

Nothing new today as far as I know.

That is what we do on the boards, give our opinion, thoughts and feelings.
We are only commenting on what we have seen in the news or interviews with the family.

Actually, I wish the family had thought of "starting a child(ren) custody case" is not going to help find Haleigh.

Anyway, looks like you are new so Welcome!Thanks for the update, Leather. (and for the welcome)

I agree that starting a child(ren) custody case while Haleigh is missing isn't helpful to finding Haleigh. I don't know of a case where a mother has focused on custody of her missing daughter before finding her.

Leather&Lace

03-28-2009, 10:17 PM

Fox news channel at 10 eastern

TY
that will be perfect with my movie going off at 10:00
:)

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 10:21 PM

In this first coast news article dated 3/27/09, it states that Crystal may have received a substantial sum of money from Geraldo for the Craig Rivera interview. It is not a known fact tho.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134771&catid=3

Kind of like Kim doing her Florida two-step on NG and the denial of a quote by a local station there. What a bunch of winners IMO.

Everyone seems to have forgotten about trying to bring Haleigh home.

Hopefully there is someone out there considering giving Junior a miracle by bringing his sissy home. :wub: JMO

Peaches

03-28-2009, 10:26 PM

Kind of like Kim doing her Florida two-step on NG and the denial of a quote by a local station there. What a bunch of winners IMO.

Everyone seems to have forgotten about trying to bring Haleigh home.

Hopefully there is someone out there considering giving Junior a miracle by bringing his sissy home. :wub: JMO

Yes, CandyKisses, that would be a great gift for Ron, Jr.

Daily_WrapUp

03-28-2009, 10:26 PM

Peaches and Teresa thanks for the good wishes..
Candy I agree...Why can't everyone, all of us included, try to come together and get this baby home.

Did someone say Geraldo is covering this tonight? I only have a few channels thanks to some lightening we got earlier this evening...He is on Fox right? 10 PM?That would be far more productive than arguing about whether there was any merit to Misty's claim of being molested at age 13. How on earth could any facts of that case find Haleigh?

My post isn't directed to you Pia but rather in support of it. You're a great poster who has always looked for the truth in finding Haleigh. Readers of this board like me wish there are more objective posters like you.

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 10:31 PM

Thanks for the update, Leather. (and for the welcome)

I agree that starting a child(ren) custody case while Haleigh is missing isn't helpful to finding Haleigh. I don't know of a case where a mother has focused on custody of her missing daughter before finding her.

I don't know of a mother with a missing child, who actually wasn't meeting her monthly obligations in support, and then focused on custody of her child before she was found. It makes no sense with all the inconsistencies she has provided IMO. :confused:

sunstar

03-28-2009, 10:35 PM

Fox news channel at 10 eastern

thanks for the heads up! I wasn't planning on watching unless it was something I'm interested in, like news about Haleigh. :smile:

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 10:37 PM

Yes, CandyKisses, that would be a great gift for Ron, Jr.

I wish I could find something new and credible that addressed putting the facts together in the quest to find out who is responsible for the abduction of Haleigh Cummings and to help bring her home. Things seem so tainted they're not credible anymore. JMO :unsure:

odyssey

03-28-2009, 10:38 PM

Thanks for the update, Leather. (and for the welcome)

I agree that starting a child(ren) custody case while Haleigh is missing isn't helpful to finding Haleigh. I don't know of a case where a mother has focused on custody of her missing daughter before finding her.

I agree also.
I pray for this little girl every night.
I have wracked my brain trying to figure out what else can be done to find her.
I only hope that those who can really help her and really find her *are* focusing on her, even when others, sadly, are placing their energies elsewhere.

jmoo

sunstar

03-28-2009, 10:40 PM

Under ordianary circumstances you are right. Unfortunately that is not the case here.

Let's suppose someone you had left your child to for safety and well being, returns and says, I lost your child. If this person, was also supervisoring your second child, would you feel safe to allow that person to continue caring for your other?

No, I wouldn't want the other child to remain with the person if there was a possibility negligence was involved in the first child disappearing. And to me, that negligence would range from having the wrong people around the child to leaving the door unlocked. MOO

bookie

03-28-2009, 10:48 PM

No, I wouldn't want the other child to remain with the person if there was a possibility negligence was involved in the first child disappearing. And to me, that negligence would range from having the wrong people around the child to leaving the door unlocked. MOO

If the door was left unlocked by accident that isn't negligence imo. It's an accident.

MrLucky917B

03-28-2009, 10:50 PM

odyssey

03-28-2009, 10:54 PM

Or being careless. Which is a poor excuse when your in a remote area being responsible for two young children. I wouldn't give that person a second chance, no thank you.

moo

Do you have the same thoughts about the Jessica Lunsford case?

bookie

03-28-2009, 10:54 PM

Or being careless. Which is a poor excuse when your in a remote area being responsible for two young children. I wouldn't give that person a second chance, no thank you.

moo

I disagree. I'd bet there aren't many posting here who haven't left a door unlocked or a window open before. It happens to just about everyone.

sunstar

03-28-2009, 10:56 PM

If the door was left unlocked by accident that isn't negligence imo. It's an accident.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel that way. It is the responsibility of the caregiver to make sure the house is secured at night and lock the doors ~ even Ron said he checked that back door before going to work. So if she opened it afterward, and left it unlocked, that is careless. MOO

bookie

03-28-2009, 10:57 PM

Do you have the same thoughts about the Jessica Lunsford case?

If we were talking about NYC or Detroit or LA I might agree with that person but we're talking about small town USA.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 10:57 PM

Or being careless. Which is a poor excuse when your in a remote area being responsible for two young children. I wouldn't give that person a second chance, no thank you.

moo

Also what if the lock was bumped so it really was locked? You should check out the youtube video on how easy it is and then try it in your own home.

bookie

03-28-2009, 10:59 PM

I'm sorry, but I don't feel that way. It is the responsibility of the caregiver to make sure the house is secured at night and lock the doors ~ even Ron said he checked that back door before going to work. So if she opened it afterward, and left it unlocked, that is careless. MOO

No one is perfect. Accidents happen and not locking a door is an accident. Now if the door was left unlocked every night you might have a point.

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 11:04 PM

Yes, CandyKisses, that would be a great gift for Ron, Jr.

IN MY OPINION....unsolicited or not.....I THINK a great gift for BOTH OF THOSE CHILDREN would be a homecoming to someone SANE SOBER AND HONEST to take care of them.

IMO

MrLucky917B

03-28-2009, 11:04 PM

I disagree. I'd bet there aren't many posting here who haven't left a door unlocked or a window open before. It happens to just about everyone.

I agree with you Bookie, however if this is an abduction it wasn't done by a stranger to that area. With only 1 way in and out if someone took Haleigh they would have gotten her if the door was open or not.

JMO

Daily_WrapUp

03-28-2009, 11:04 PM

Ron Jr is not in her custody....Nor was/is Haleigh, which was my point :)

bookie

03-28-2009, 11:05 PM

It was a very remote area,, all the more reason to check for security.

It wasn't a remote area. It was a rural area.

CelticDawn

03-28-2009, 11:06 PM

It was a very remote area,, all the more reason to check for security.

sadly <maybe just for me > I always got the willies in those rural places...I feel safer in a big city...at least there you KNOW what kind of evil you will encounter.

sunstar

03-28-2009, 11:06 PM

Also what if the lock was bumped so it really was locked? You should check out the youtube video on how easy it is and then try it in your own home.

I will agree, if Misty didn't touch that door after Ron left and the perp bumped it then she isn't at fault. I'm still curious though why LE took the door after releasing the house ~ maybe this is what happened? :shrug:

odyssey

03-28-2009, 11:07 PM

Was the door unlocked in the Lunsford case? I've forgotten.

Never the less, Misty was well aware how important that door was locked by Ron. He made it known it was a nightly ritual to check it. Why, he told that he even put a new dead bolt lock on it.

moo

Yes it was left unlocked by Jessica's father.

I think it is possible it was locked and the lock was bumped. It is scary how easy it is to do. And it is not detectable so there would be no signs of forced entry.

I'll be glad when we finally know the truth if ever we do.

bookie

03-28-2009, 11:07 PM

I agree with you Bookie, however if this is an abduction it wasn't done by a stranger to that area. With only 1 way in and out if someone took Haleigh they would have gotten her if the door was open or not.

JMO

I still think it was a SO abduction. It may have been someone familiar with the area but not known to the family. A pedophile will find ways to get what they want.

odyssey

03-28-2009, 11:08 PM

I will agree, if Misty didn't touch that door after Ron left and the perp bumped it then she isn't at fault. I'm still curious though why LE took the door after releasing the house ~ maybe this is what happened? :shrug:

They took the screen door, not the wooden door. i am not sure what the reason was but would interested in finding out :)

Daily_WrapUp

03-28-2009, 11:09 PM

Or being careless. Which is a poor excuse when your in a remote area being responsible for two young children. I wouldn't give that person a second chance, no thank you.

mooBut if that caregiver were minding children in a condo in downtown Seattle or Boston or Atlanta and left the doors unlocked you'd give them the benefit of the doubt?

nanieliz

03-28-2009, 11:10 PM

because of what he did to her and the way he held her against her will, that is the reason, in my opinion .. one line says no contest the other says guilty and he is a registered sex offender now because of it.

jmoo

I thought I read NOLOW on his plea? NOLOW is usually for someone who's never been in trouble before. NOLOW means you are not admitting to being guilty but want to plead so u can avoid court/trial. He probably didn't know he was going to get such a long sentance. He could have plead guilty and not got that long. She was 13???? It could have been something else? i not excusing him because i dealt with sex abuse at 10 and know it happens.

nanieliz

sunstar

03-28-2009, 11:12 PM

They took the screen door, not the wooden door. i am not sure what the reason was but would interested in finding out :)

thanks for the correction, I'm sorry. :sad: That is even more mysterious, imo.

sunstar

03-28-2009, 11:16 PM

teresa

03-28-2009, 11:38 PM

I thought I read NOLOW on his plea? NOLOW is usually for someone who's never been in trouble before. NOLOW means you are not admitting to being guilty but want to plead so u can avoid court/trial. He probably didn't know he was going to get such a long sentance. He could have plead guilty and not got that long. She was 13???? It could have been something else? i not excusing him because i dealt with sex abuse at 10 and know it happens.

nanieliz

I truly cannot believe the people defending this guy because his victim was Misty. What about the young Chad Chandler. Should he be defended too?

The guy had a lawyer and you usually have a little clue what your sentence would/could be when you plea no contest. He knew he wasn't getting probation even if he did hold a barely 13 year old against her will and do whatever to her. Of course, I forgot we are talking about a poor uneducated poorly brought up Misty here.

Sorry to be so rough on you but you are "flaming mad" about his sentence? Why?

tinkerbell

03-28-2009, 11:44 PM

Crystal and her atty. on Geraldo. Geraldo asking about Greg.

I just caught the tail end of the interview...

Daily_WrapUp

03-28-2009, 11:48 PM

I don't believe I said that. It was someone' else's post.Your post was "a poor excuse when your (sic) in a remote area being responsible for two young children. I wouldn't give that person a second chance, no thank you."

You obviously didn't understand my response to you when comparing the same responsibilities of a caregiver in an urban setting.

No offense, but I'm here to glean facts so if I put you on ignore, don't take it personally. :smile:

CANDYKISSES

03-28-2009, 11:49 PM

What a bunch of garbage. None of them know anything and WBG is allegedly the theory of Cobra now....:rolleyes: OMG, I hope Geraldo gets a warning from Kimball. He has nerve with all his cheating on the various wives, he could easily have given them a fatal disease by his carelessness IMO. What a farce. HE shouldn't point the finger at anyone because there are at least four pointing back to him every time he does IMO. :thumbdown:

bookie

03-28-2009, 11:49 PM

If I lived here, before I put my head on a pillow, I would make sure the doors were locked. You can call it rural, I call it remote.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/HFTM2/Caylee%202009/backdoor.jpg

moo

There are other homes close to it. It took the police 10 minutes or so to get there. Remote isn't a description that fits the area.

cat3

03-28-2009, 11:53 PM

They took the screen door, not the wooden door. i am not sure what the reason was but would interested in finding out :)

Does anyone remember the story about the man that was hanging around the Cummings home after Haleigh was missing? I'm not even sure if it actually happened as I can't find a link,but there were a few posts on this board about him trying to get in the Cummings home and saying he told TN that if she cared about Haleigh she would let him in.It seemed to me that LE took the screen door shortly after that story about the strange man? I wonder if there is a connection between the strange man and the taking of the screen door? More than likely they just took the door for further study.IMO

bookie

03-28-2009, 11:56 PM

I know what you mean Celtic. So true for me too. Remote means isolated, secluded, solitary, alone. (shivers).

There are other homes close to it. It can't be isolated, solitary or alone when it is one of numerous homes in a mobile home park.

teresa

03-28-2009, 11:56 PM

Does anyone remember the story about the man that was hanging around the Cummings home after Haleigh was missing? I'm not even sure if it actually happened as I can't find a link,but there were a few posts on this board about him trying to get in the Cummings home and saying he told TN that if she cared about Haleigh she would let him in.It seemed to me that LE took the screen door shortly after that story about the strange man? I wonder if there is a connection between the strange man and the taking of the screen door? More than likely they just took the door for further study.IMO

I think at least one TV reporter witnessed that. I can't remember if it was before or after the door, though.

teresa

03-28-2009, 11:58 PM