Father suspect in murder of Alycia Mesiti,14, msg.8/13/06, body found 3/27/09

[darcie]

Body found in Ceres yard
Case may be linked to that of missing girl
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/644384.html


Another child brought home. But I dont think her parents are going to be thrilled. :angry:

Stories like this make me sick. I quess I should keep my thoughts to myself until more details are released.

But,her parents reported her as a run away....yet if this is Alycia she was found buried in the yard where her family once lived.


Snipped:

According to a missing person flier, Alycia took a bag of clothing and her pet Chihuahua when she vanished from her home in August 2006.

"(Alycia) was reported as a runaway," Berber said.

[BevAnn]

My 3rd son, is a chihuahua, and I wonder what happened to her sweet baby??! Did they harm it when they harmed their own daughter??

I'm like you Darcie, I'll wait until more info is released, but I am so upset to think that her parents had something to do with her death!! Wonder if her dad, was her bio dad, or a step dad?

Bev

[Kip]

I had thought that maybe the people living in the house now had discovered the body in the yard, but the house was vacant and the police received information and according to the article "were compelled" to dig.

[darcie]

Just wanted to add a few more news links about Alycia.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mesiti_alycia.html

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12003243

[BevAnn]

Told her parents she was going camping, but wouldn't say who with or where they were going....YEAH RIGHT. At 14, a parent is going to just say, oh, ok honey, have fun wherever you are going, with whoever you are going for, for how ever long. :angry: What a crock of BS.

It also says she had moved there recently - is that to be taken by the letter - that SHE had moved there, moved in with her parents, like she'd been living with a relative before that?? Or do they mean the whole family had just moved there?

[Maelstrom5]

Hi,

Here is link to a picture and some news reports.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=143252708&albumID=2107074&imageID=26958163

My understanding is that the family had just moved to Ceras a short thime before Alycia went missing. It always puzzled me why if she went to visit a friend then called her parents about a camping trip that the police were never able to verify that fact. I have never seen a story that mentions that they were questioned; or even if they really exist for that matter.

[juliekan]

from the articles:

"On Aug. 11, Alycia returned to San Jose to spend the weekend with a friend, McKay said. On Aug. 13, she called her family to say she had gone camping with other friends, but would not tell her parents who they were or where she had gone.
That was the last time anyone heard from her, McKay said."

Wow, unless someone diabolical returned with the body after the family moved, there's only the family to point the finger at.

Sadly, with the story that she was "having trouble adjusting", the police probably just shrugged and let the matter drop.

(**Sorry, should add IF this is her body)

[Luckys_Wife]

Wow I live right by Ceres, in fact I go to the wal-mart there. I haven't heard anything about this case here yet. I'll have to keep my ears open.

[Maelstrom5]

Police mum on body unearthed in Ceres
www.modbee.com/local/story/645550.html

Story of missing girl beginning to emerge

**Snipped**

“..Macias said the girl's mother was not around when the family moved in. She said she was told that the mother was supposed to move in, but that never happened…”

“..She was a nice little girl, and she walked to the nearby park with her little Chihuahua," Macias said. "She would sometimes drop off the rent check for her father."..”

“..Ponce said Alycia's family had a one-year rental agreement that expired Dec. 31, 2006, the day they moved out. He said Alycia's father barely mentioned his daughter's disappearance.

"He didn't say a lot about it," Ponce said. "He kind of looked upset and stressed out. He said they wanted to move back to the Bay Area."..”

When I read the article I got the impression that Alycia’s disappearance fell between the cracks.

She was reported to the Ceres police as a runaway but in a different jurisdiction and I think they may have pretty much left it up to the other towns PD to investigate. But it does not sound like the PD from the town she was last reported in was ever informed, or if they were, they felt the Ceres PD was taking the lead as that’s the town she lived in.

In any case this report does nothing to dispel or dispute what a number of you indicated you think may have happened, and to some extent it reinforces it.

[n/t]

Told her parents she was going camping, but wouldn't say who with or where they were going....YEAH RIGHT. At 14, a parent is going to just say, oh, ok honey, have fun wherever you are going, with whoever you are going for, for how ever long. :angry: What a crock of BS.

It also says she had moved there recently - is that to be taken by the letter - that SHE had moved there, moved in with her parents, like she'd been living with a relative before that?? Or do they mean the whole family had just moved there?

I agree. Big red flags right there and it's mind boggling that LE didn't question the parents further. Who lets a 14 year old go whereever they want, no questions asked? Heck I have an 18 and 20 year old and if they go on a camping trip or out of town with friends, I always ask with whom and to give me a number where they can be reached excluding their cellphone number.

[darcie]

I have to agree with you all. Everything about this case stinks. It seems she fell through the cracks. It is almost too apparent to me ,that she died right in front of everyone's eyes, and no one even knew ....how sad. If this is her.....I hope she gets her chance to speak; through her remains. I hope her story is told. She deserves no less.

:sad:

[darcie]

I found these......tell me what you think. Do you think it is Alycia?


http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=16508.0;wap2

*snipped from above link...(at the bottom of page)

SignoraAly:
I feel like there are subtle clues in her Myspace headline that she disappeared willingly. That, and the fact that she wouldn't tell them where she was going or who she was going with. I could be wrong though.


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and i found this:

http://htmlgear.tripod.com/guest/control.guest?u=kennyslifesux&a=view&i=1001&r=http://www.google.com/search%3fq=Alycia+Mesiti&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

edited to add that the link takes you to page one...the below post is on page 2

Go To Page:

Wednesday 06/21/2006 9:55:29am
Name: Alycia Mesiti
E-Mail: Alycia@7thsound.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL:
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: Ceres, California
Comments: I found your page in my longest hours of bordem. If it's worth anything, your site just so happened to make me smile... nearly laugh too. :-) There I go again. smiling. ya...
your paged popped up when i googled "life sux" and i figured "what the hell". Well I'm glad I did because myspace.com was REALLY starting to piss me off. Anyways... I'm just another girl... who can't quit complaining about her teenage disaster of a life... *sigh*...Only my

computer is willing to listen to my complaining. but then again, who realy cares. I'm just a troubled teen. One of thousands out there who can't spell worth ****. well.. considering no one will be reading this any time soon I still just wanted to tell you... you made me smile today. :-)

*****

[darcie]

Hmmmmmm.....now this is interesting.

*snipped*

LOS ANGELES -- Police say they found a methamphetamine lab in West Los Angeles. Two people were arrested: a man suspected of murdering his teenage daughter was arrested, and a woman.

http://www.ktla.com/content_landing_page/?Meth-Lab-Found-in-Murder-Suspects-West-L=1&blockID=252296&feedID=1080


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Seems LE is kinda confidant they have found Alycia.......or at least the paper is portraying it that way.

[BevAnn]

Good finds darcie! Nice digging you did!!

I am just amazed. Amazed that a father can kill his own 14 yr old daughter and bury her in the back yard for gosh's sakes!! I mean, he continued to live there!! Knowing his daughter was buried just a few feet away from the BACK PORCH!!! :cursing:

And where is this mother??

Bev

[Jpanda]

This story is so heartbreaking! What scum for a father this poor girl had. At least we know he isn't going anywhere anytime soon. :angry:

[darcie]

The body has been identified as Alycia....:sad:

I hope her body tells her story, and may she now finally rest in peace.
I haven't found anything about her mother. I presumed her mother lived with her when she was initially reported missing. But i can't verify that.

Body found in Ceres was that of missing girl

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/647631.html

[BevAnn]

"The investigators found a working meth lab inside the apartment, Berber said. Welborn's 12-year-old daughter lived with the couple at the apartment, he said. She was taken into protective custody."

Oh how NICE. The girlfriends daughter was there, in the apartment with a meth lab in residence, AND probably a killer. How lovely. This girl doesn't know how lucky she is to be out of that place.

Reading that article reminded me - this allll started with a called in tip. hhhhmmm. Wonder who the tip came from?? Mom finally? I'd like to know that little tid bit of info.

Bev

[darcie]

We share the same thoughts on this BevAnn........

I hope Alycia has someone that will fight for her in death!!

[juliekan]

The body has been identified as Alycia....:sad:

I hope her body tells her story, and may she now finally rest in peace.
I haven't found anything about her mother. I presumed her mother lived with her when she was initially reported missing. But i can't verify that.

Body found in Ceres was that of missing girl

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/647631.html

from the article

Mark Mesiti, who had custody of Alycia at the time of her disappearance. Police have not identified Alycia's mother, where she lived at the time of her daughter's disappearance or where she is today.

[Leanne Weich]

from the article

Mark Mesiti, who had custody of Alycia at the time of her disappearance. Police have not identified Alycia's mother, where she lived at the time of her daughter's disappearance or where she is today.

I find it hard to belieave that they didn't track down mom at the time of Alycia's disappearance. One would think that would have been the first thing to do to ensure she hadn't run away to mom. Maybe dad killed mom too - wo knows?

[Heidi J.]

I find it hard to belieave that they didn't track down mom at the time of Alycia's disappearance. One would think that would have been the first thing to do to ensure she hadn't run away to mom. Maybe dad killed mom too - wo knows?

I have a lot of questions too.. :confused:

[merical]

I have a lot of questions too.. :confused:

Could be why he killed the daughter. Maybe she had knowledge of that. Weren't there additional children? Didn't Alycia have brothers or sisters? What happened to them? Did the father have custody of them as well? I'll have to go reread those articles to see if I missed something. BRB

[Amy]

What I find interesting is that there are two different versions of where she left from. Even in the Charley space link, she is reported to have left from her Ceres home with clothes and dog, w/the camping story.

In the various news articles, that version PLUS the version that she had gone to San Jose and CALLED her family about the camping trip.

Guess maybe they will get more info from the dad and g/f now that they are in custody? Wonder how much anyone was really questioned @ the time she disappeared, other than dad who seems to have given LE the impresssion that she could have just been a runaway because she was having trouble adjusting.

[BevAnn]

I was wondering if he had done something to the mother also!! I am anxious to see if they find her....

I wonder if he was doing the meth lab thing that summer, and she took some, and OD? He freaked, cause he would be held responsible, and buried her?

I just can't imagine a father murdering his teen child. It is just so unbelievable I keep hoping it was an accident that he paniced over.

Bev

[darcie]

Well it seems to be that the mother is around, and aware. The police talked to her according to the Modesto Bee.
http://www.modbee.com/crime/story/648135.html

*snipped*



Berber said investigators have talked to Alycia's mother, who was not living at the Ceres home when the girl disappeared. Berber would not release the mother's name or say where she is.
When Alycia disappeared, Berber said, she was living with her father and Walker-Welborn at the single-story house in the 3500 block of Alexis Court in Ceres. Berber said Monday that Mark Mesiti had custody of Alycia at the time of her disappearance.

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Also from the article, Alycia's father Mark was into the Meth making BIG time....so it seems to me:

*Snipped*
KTLA News reported that a Los Angeles County hazardous materials team found at least 17 barrels of precursor chemicals in Mark Mesiti's first-floor apartment. The chemicals included the solvent acetone and red phosphorus, which officials say is used as a catalyst in making meth.

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Two and a half years after the fact....LE seems to be digging into this case now.

Justice for you Alycia....justice for you.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi All,

A possible source of the tip could be Alycia's older brother. In one early news report it mentioned him and said he was 2 years older then Alycia. That would make him 18/19 now. Possibly this case is one like Adam Herrmann where a sibling grows up and finally has the space/maturity/courage to call LE.

[doradoll]

wow, she sure looked a lot like her father

it says he and his girlfriend lived in a first floor apartment, yet had all these barrels of chemicals.....don't apt complexes come in to spray or inspect fire alarms etc occasionally?

so sad

[BevAnn]

And now it says the gf was living with him at the time...the same gf he still has and has been arrested with currently...she had the 12 yo daughter....she would have been approx 9 yo at the time of Alycia's dissappearance.

I can see so many things here - drug issues, step-children issues, average teenager issues - I can imagine several different scenarios.

Mom must have walked on them, because I can't imagine her letting courts decide to live with him and the gf and a meth lab (I fully suspect mom knew what kind of man he was)

Bev

ETA: "Meanwhile, Shelly Walker-Welborn, 40, is considered a person of interest in the death of Alycia Mesiti. Ceres police said Walker-Welborn is Alycia's father's girlfriend." This is posted under the wanted poster of the dad and gf in the article linked in darcie's post. Now the article doesn't mention this I don't think - I reread it quickly....it says she wanted for child endangerment, but I took that to mean of her own daughter. Wonder if this is a typo, or if she is truly a POI in Alycia's death???

[darcie]

Figure in Ceres homicide probe freed from LA jail

*snipped*
Berber said Ceres police haven't receive a report yet from the Stanislaus County coroner on how and when Alycia died. He said investigators should receive that report within two weeks

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/666708.html

Bumping for Alycia......I havent' forgotten you.

[BevAnn]

"Police said Walker-Welborn reported Alycia missing as a runaway on Aug. 15, 2006, but she could not elaborate when investigators asked then where Alycia had gone."

Interesting. I didn't realize it was the gf that reported her missing.

Thanks for the update darcie - great work!!

Heck, I'm beginning to wonder if it wasn't the gf instead of the dad...:huh:

[Maelstrom5]

"Police said Walker-Welborn reported Alycia missing as a runaway on Aug. 15, 2006, but she could not elaborate when investigators asked then where Alycia had gone."

Interesting. I didn't realize it was the gf that reported her missing.

Thanks for the update darcie - great work!!

Heck, I'm beginning to wonder if it wasn't the gf instead of the dad...:huh:

You could be right BevAnn but I think it is more likely she helped covered up the crime after the fact.

Depending on what she tells them it would not surprise me if the Ceres police offer her full or limited immunity in exchange for truthful testimony. They may even go easy on her on the drug charges and have the prosecutor agree to the minimum sentence.

If she just covered up what happened then she has one last chance to turn her life around and show remorse for what happened by telling the truth. 40 is still young enough to get it together but if she stonewalls the police then I feel sure they will go for the maximum on the drug charges and make sure she never sees her little girl again. It’s her choice.

I can pretty much guarantee that if dear old dad is arrested for Alycia’s murder and Shelly leaves an opening by remaining silent, then he will throw her under the bus at a future trial

[BevAnn]

http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=16508.0

There are some posts on this site, that are interesting...one from someone who says they knew the situation personally....

Be warned: the language there is full on.

But there are some interesting tid bits there...

[Maelstrom5]

http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=16508.0

There are some posts on this site, that are interesting...one from someone who says they knew the situation personally....

Be warned: the language there is full on.

But there are some interesting tid bits there...


Really good find BevAnn, it explains a lot including why Alycia's mom was not more involved in her life.

What I keep coming back to is what some of the people who met Alycia before she vanished said about her; a young teen playing with her dog in the park, a girl taking the rent check to the landlord, a girl desperately looking for love and understanding; a girl who never had a chance.

[BevAnn]

Really good find BevAnn, it explains a lot including why Alycia's mom was not more involved in her life.

What I keep coming back to is what some of the people who met Alycia before she vanished said about her; a young teen playing with her dog in the park, a girl taking the rent check to the landlord, a girl desperately looking for love and understanding; a girl who never had a chance.


I agree Peter, which makes me SO thankful, they removed the gf's 12 yo daughter, when they arrested the dad and gf. Lord I pray the girl is with reliable, dependable adults, and doesn't have to go back to those two!

[MystryPhobia]

Alycia was loved by many more people than anyone on here or any other gossip chain could even imagine. It's very saddening to see that instead of people paying respect to her memory, her life is being picked apart by people who never knew her or anyone involved in her life.

By reading your posts here and on other sites.. it is very obvious that you knew this family and are very sympathetic to the father. I just have to say that Alycia is the one that is no longer living and should be the focus of the sympathy as her life was taken WAYY to young by someone that was able to bury her in the backyard of the family home and had no problem with doing this and living in the home afterwards. As hard as it is to believe that people that we love and care about can do things that are so heinous.. it happens all the time.

[darcie]

Alycia was loved by many more people than anyone on here or any other gossip chain could even imagine. It's very saddening to see that instead of people paying respect to her memory, her life is being picked apart by people who never knew her or anyone involved in her life.

All I can say is that I hope you are right about that. Also I don't think anyone here is trying to pick apart her life.....at least in the way I think you mean that.

I'm here for personal reasons of my own. I originally started the thread out of the utmost respect FOR Alycia. Every person deserves to have someone on their side. And I am relieved to hear that maybe Alycia did. It's never easy on any child, when their parent and or parents put them in harm's way. A meth dealer/maker sure isn't an ideal home atmosphere for a child or adult.

It pretty well looks as if Alycia was reported missing as a runaway and was found in her former backyard? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together and come to conclusions. I for one can almost guarantee that Alycia didn't put herself in that backyard. If her death was from some sort of accident, and the father was afraid to report it, then it seems HE had to have put his needs in front of Alycia's. I find that tremendously sad.

I don't know if you are a relative or friend of Alycia's, but I truly am sorry for your loss.

[juliekan]

I think she was referring to this??

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=143252708&albumID=2107074&imageID=26958163

Mesiti was suspected of leaving with friends on a camping trip, but Welborn could not specify where the teen had gone. Her father, Mark Mesiti, he did not offer any new information, police said.

Investigators said they discovered a working methamphetamine lab in the home, so Mesiti and Welborn were taken into custody by Los Angeles authorities on drug and child endangerment charges. Welborn's 12-year-old daughter also lived at this home.

[MystryPhobia]

I have sympathy for Alycia and her entire family. And if it looks as if I am picking sides, I'm not. All I am saying is that people on this and other sites only know what they are told by the media. And as anyone who can think for themselves knows, the media can very often have false leads or be missing large chunks of information. And I truly believe that by picking apart the small amounts of information the media is distributing (many of which contradict each other horrifyingly) isn't going to bring her justice any time soon.

You are right.. the media often does not get the story straight and then the story is passed between them with the false information.

I think what several people are seeing is that the father and the girlfriend reported her missing and said that she ran away.. then 2 years later her remains are found within feet of the home that she supposedly left and never returned to.

He and his girlfriend have been arrested for having an operating meth lab in their home which was unrelated to the disappearance of the daughter.

The father has been names a person of interest in the death of Alycia.

Of course.. as a friend of family member of this family, you know that it is much more complex than this.. but this is all we have to go on.

Is any of this information incorrect? We don't want information that is not correct... or is exaggerated to sell some newspapers.

[MystryPhobia]

I think she was referring to this??

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=143252708&albumID=2107074&imageID=26958163

Mesiti was suspected of leaving with friends on a camping trip, but Welborn could not specify where the teen had gone. Her father, Mark Mesiti, he did not offer any new information, police said.

Investigators said they discovered a working methamphetamine lab in the home, so Mesiti and Welborn were taken into custody by Los Angeles authorities on drug and child endangerment charges. Welborn's 12-year-old daughter also lived at this home.

That was the GF's daughter.. not her sister, from my understanding.

[juliekan]

That was the GF's daughter.. not her sister, from my understanding.

Yes, I just meant that I thought that was where the idea of a sister came from; that's why I bolded that comment.

I guess I should shut up and let others explain themselves.

[MystryPhobia]

Yes, I just meant that I thought that was where the idea of a sister came from; that's why I bolded that comment.

I guess I should shut up and let others explain themselves.


Oh.. no, don't do that.

I just thought that you thought that was her sister.

I get what you were trying to do now. Sorry.

[juliekan]

Oh.. no, don't do that.

I just thought that you thought that was her sister.

I get what you were trying to do now. Sorry.

No I just need this sig line, except someone needs to have a hand over my typing fingers :laugh:

~~Please God, put your arms around my shoulders and your hand over my mouth!~~

[MystryPhobia]

No I just need this sig line, except someone needs to have a hand over my typing fingers :laugh:

~~Please God, put your arms around my shoulders and your hand over my mouth!~~


LMAO yeah.. well feel free!

I tend to run off at the mouth (or keys on here).. I figure if I put that then people have been warned.

We are passionate about missing people and that passion sometimes spills over but our intentions are good.. right?

Again.. Sorry about about that.. I just totally misunderstood because I didn't read your original post on its own.. just "someone's" post that had quoted yours.

[Leanne Weich]

I fully understand that it is difficult for people who know or love people who are suspected of crimes to read what we post here. However, if those people would only realise that a lot of us have followed these awful kinds of cases for many years, they'd also realise that all we ever want is to see justice for the missing or murdered victims. I know some members of my family can't understand why I bother with message boards about something I can't do anything about but I know that if I was in an area where a child was missing, I'd be one of the first people there to volunteer to search for them but as I can't I pray and keep praying until there is resolution.

It may make me/us odd but, at the end of the day, that's what we do and puzzle over the clues and speculate until there is a resolution or the case is closed on the message boards. Even then and when law enforcement seems to give up, very many of never forget and still keep looking for more information in the hopes that a resolution will be reached. JMVHO.

[MystryPhobia]

Alycia was not only fought for, but the case for her to be NOT with her DAD was so anguished in a way to the state of Calif., they thought the Mom crazy. The State gave this single Mom no credence towards the 15 yrs. she kept them, Alycia and the older brother, safe from the father. They were safe and stable and happy for a long time - by the efforts solely by the Mom - during which the DAD made himself intentionally absent and further criminal. Then the DAD was released from first State and then Federal stays in jail and the state said he could provide better; when the DAD meant to meet only his own agendas - which the mother also for-warned the court as having! She had no one but herself and the evidence she held depicting gross physical aggressions and acts of a pedophile on record -but to stand against the entirety of a family that is equally at fault for supporting the perjury they themselves acted out in front of the judge, as well as the game they played so as to give sole custody to their brother - the DAD. Now they say to the police "Oh yes he "was" an awful person, "and "Oh, I feel so responsible" - Should I disclose their names - these icons of your community, so willing to sacrifice their own, what might you think they would think towards yours? These people are in the Church, very wealthy, in charge of what you read! Alycia has not only been sought for, fought for, anguished and cried for years for, but loved in so many ways most have never been. Her life was not graced by what would have been ideal to be sure, not easy as being poor isn't, with a DAD constantly trying to destroy what was in place, but she was loved, safe, afforded as much as could be, and she was with Mom happy - she did still have dreams. Have you ever heard of the story of the pied piper...
Alycia Augusta Mesiti-Allen - know at least her full name, and look for her name. Her tragedy saved that 12 year old of Shelly's, and due to what Alycia was made to live, more will be kept from fates determined by those who falsely love them.

WOW.. is all I can say!

Obviously another side of the story then we have been given about the father. I think it isn't so surprising given the choices that were made in this case. That they could bury her feet from where they bbq'd and played says alot about those people IMO.

I am so sorry for your families loss and for Alycia's suffering! No words! :rose:

[darcie]

My your story be told Alycia, and may your voice be heard.

:sad:

[TBIBeg]

My your story be told Alycia, and may your voice be heard.

:sad:


Amen, at the very least, let her story be heard.


:rose:

[LisaM22]

seems the one that told them to dig back there must have told them who did it too, I would think maybe someone was talking, maybe while high or something?

[juliekan]

truth hurts:

Welcome, and thank you very much for your input.
Have you given this info to the media? I would also add law enforcement, but you seem to indicate they already know this?

[MystryPhobia]

Just to keep everything in perspective since we are being told that he did not even live at the residence and has done nothing wrong.

Mark Mesiti was arrested ... when authorities serving a search warrant of HIS apartment in a homicide investigation found at least seventeen
barrels of precursor chemicals in his ground floor apartment.

So, the question of whether he was living there is pretty mute IMO. There was a search warrant on the apartment.. because of the body being found in the back yard. He was there. His GF was there. They were taken into custody. She has since been released. The daughter got taken to foster care. Not sure if the mother has gotten her back yet or not.

Mark Mesiti is still booked and has been charged with a felony case # BA35465401 and is being held at the the PITCHLESS DETENTION CENTER NORTH FACILITY on a $500,000.00 BAIL. Court appearance at 7am on 5/13/2009.

Police became suspicious when the father left the area without EVER contacting them to inquire about the investigation into his daughter's disappearance.

http://www.ktla.com/landing_mostinteresting/?Meth-Lab-Found-in-Murder-Suspects-West-L=1&blockID=252296&feedID=1080

His booking sheet and court information can be found.

http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm

[darcie]

Innocent until proven guilty is the law of our land. Mark will be judged by a jury....not a message board. Sometimes the obvious is more complicated than one orignally thought

I hope what you are saying truth_hurts IS the truth. I hope Alycia didn't die at the hands of her father. I hope Alycia didn't live in a home that denied her nurturing, and instead put her in her grave. I hope Alycia KNEW she was loved, and I hope that she knows she is missed.

No one deserves death at such a young age, especially death by the ones that she was supposed to trust......and love.

I hate to hear that she was previously molested. Her life was never the same after that injustice. Molested once, relive it a lifetime. She deserved so much better.

If her father isn't responsible, and what you are saying is true, I would then have to assume that she was buried in the backyard AFTER her father moved? That would take some doing if the house has been consistenly resided in. I know if someone knocked on my door and asked if they could dig a hole in the back yard, I would sure as heck be asking what for.

Time will tell. Alycia may speak yet. I hope that whoever did this to her.........stands up and takes responsibility, and that Alycia gets to rest in peace.

May Alycia know that she is missed. May she somehow get the chance to realize her life was worth something. And may her death result in someone learning and understanding that ALL children matter, and may it move America ONE step closer to learning how to stop the injustice of this world by the hands of child abusers, and child killers.

MOO

[darcie]

I believe in one of the articles posted above by the Modesto Bee it was stated that autopsy results should be recieved in about two weeks. So I emailed the Modbee, asking if said results have been released, and or if they will be doing a follow up story.

Anxious to hear that they are still following the case. I'll let you all know if I should hear a reply.

Rest in peace Alycia.

[Maelstrom5]

Yeah, Casey Anthony looked for little Caylee too.:rolleyes:

As we all know. There are two sides to every story. I still believe that you are in denial because of your love for the man. As you have probably already read here.. the other side of that story has been talked about and it does not sound like your side. So, who's should we believe?? Yours.. the other persons or the media?

I NEVER said he was charged with her murder.. he is however a suspect in her murder and it was LE that said it during a media interview.

Time will tell what the outcome is.

darcie- This is a crime board... NOT a court of law. I have every right to state my opinion. I am not convicting anyone. That is up to a jury. I can however look at the information that I can find and come to a logical conclusion, all on my own. Is that not what we all do here?

Hi MystryPhobia,

I have followed with interest the back and forth debate but stayed out of it. It seems clear someone is working overtime on a PLAN B defense.

Which is interesting considering the fact that Mark has not been charged with a crime yet; just listed as a person of interest.

[darcie]

Yeah, Casey Anthony looked for little Caylee too.:rolleyes:

As we all know. There are two sides to every story. I still believe that you are in denial because of your love for the man. As you have probably already read here.. the other side of that story has been talked about and it does not sound like your side. So, who's should we believe?? Yours.. the other persons or the media?

I NEVER said he was charged with her murder.. he is however a suspect in her murder and it was LE that said it during a media interview.

Time will tell what the outcome is.

darcie- This is a crime board... NOT a court of law. I have every right to state my opinion. I am not convicting anyone. That is up to a jury. I can however look at the information that I can find and come to a logical conclusion, all on my own. Is that not what we all do here?


Sorry--I hope you are able to get your panties out of a wad, because I never directed my post at YOU...nor did i ever say you couldn't state your opinion. My post was acutally directed at truth_hurts, however I guess I didn't do such a good job at doing just that. I have posted here long enough to know that we ALL have opinions, and that they ALL should be respected. We are all here for the same reason...If i offended you I apologize. But as the facts are stated, Mark has yet to be charged with Alycia's murder. Whether you think he did it, or i think he did it is moot. If you look back, I actually beleive he did play a part in Alycia's murder.

[MystryPhobia]

Hi MystryPhobia,

I have followed with interest the back and forth debate but stayed out of it. It seems clear someone is working overtime on a PLAN B defense.

Which is interesting considering the fact that Mark has not been charged with a crime yet; just listed as a person of interest.
I am not sure why exactly but this case just touched a nerve in me and I am completely outraged by the whole thing.

Then the fact that a poster came here and only wants to talk about how Alycia's father is the victim. He is falsely accused of this. He has done nothing wrong. It is all a conspiracy against him where LE and the media is concerned. He wasn't a resident where the meth lab was found. BUT.. they refuse to answer the simplest questions.. like.. how did the Alycia get in the backyard of her HIS home? If he did not live in the apt where the search warrant was served then WHY was he there to get arrested? If someone else harmed Alycia then why did Alycia's father and his girlfriend report her missing as a run away and then never ever follow up with police? On top of that.. he is evicted out of the home and leaves no forwarding address.. just in case they did find her? I could go on and on but I don't buy him as the victim.

BTW Maelstrom.. God bless you and all that you do for the missing. I didn't realize til I visited your myspace, how devoted you are.

[Maelstrom5]

A typical human skeleton consists of 206, 208 or more bones depending on the method used in counting normal variations. The count of 208 considers the sternum to be made up of three bones instead of one.

Question: how did someone exhume Alycia’s skeletal remains from a unknown location and move them to the backyard of the house she used to live in; then place them in a shallow grave in such a manner that the bones were still in their proper anatomical configuration?

Question; what motive did Mr. GREGORY ULRICH have for calling in a tip? Before this tip LE was for the most part clueless and Alycia likely would have never been found unless at some future time the backyard was extensively dug up for home improvements. If he in fact committed this crime as Truth Hurts has speculated; well he had nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing so.

[MystryPhobia]

A typical human skeleton consists of 206, 208 or more bones depending on the method used in counting normal variations. The count of 208 considers the sternum to be made up of three bones instead of one.

Question: how did someone exhume Alycia’s skeletal remains from a unknown location and move them to the backyard of the house she used to live in; then place them in a shallow grave in such a manner that the bones were still in their proper anatomical configuration?

Question; what motive did Mr. GREGORY ULRICH have for calling in a tip? Before this tip LE was for the most part clueless and Alycia likely would have never been found unless at some future time the backyard was extensively dug up for home improvements. If he in fact committed this crime as Truth Hurts has speculated; well he had nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing so.

ITA

I think the tip came from someone who suspected something all of this time.. based on something that they saw or heard at the home.. after she went missing or from someone who knew and couldn't live with it anymore. Perhaps a junkie? Or her brother? How about the daughter of the gf?

Either way.. I have to wonder since the gf has been let out of jail.. if something is not in the works with her about the homicide and they are just waiting for autopsy results.

[darcie]

http://ja-jp.facebook.com/pages/Ceres-CA/The-Ceres-Courier/69768950336

Alycia Mesiti, the Ceres girl whose body was found last month buried in a residential backyard, had been previously molested by a family acquaintance, the Courier has learned. The convicted molester has also been interviewed by detectives who are trying to find out who may have killed her.

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The 4th post down. I am assuming this page is maintained by the Ceres-Courier

[MystryPhobia]

I am not saying that the man isn't a menace to society. That he didn't molest Alycia. That is tragic,. He is obviously scum. But.. it did say that was known to the family. Was he a friend of the fathers?

Can you help with a timeline?

Aug. 11, 2006-Alycia leaves for a weekend with friends in San
Jose.
Aug. 11, 2006-The last time that Alycia logged into her myspace account
Aug. 13, 2006-Alycia calls home and says that she is going camping with some other friends but will not disclose who to her parents.
Aug. 13, 2006-The last time that anyone saw Aycia alive
Aug. 15, 2006-Dad's girlfriend, Shelly Welborne reports Alycia missing as a runaway
Oct. 6, 2006-CUSD received a request for her records from Harbor High in Santa Cruz, saying she was attending there.
Dec 2006Mark and Shelly move out of the home.
Sept. 2008-Det. Rob Robbins/ Ceres PD began making new inquiries into Alycia's disappearance
Fall 2008 Carol Sund/Carrington Foundation funds a $5,000 reward
Mar. 25, 2009-Detectives receive a tip to search at the home.
Mar. 26, 2009-LE and K9 units go to the home to search a search warrant.. the dog leads them to the backyard.. where a body is discovered feet away from the patio, 4 feet under the earth.
Mar. 28, 2009-Search warrant on the father's home in LA was served with the help of LAPD. A working meth lab was found in the apartment. Mark Mesiti and and Shelly Welborn were both arrested for the drug charges and also face child endangerment charges.
Mar. 30, 2009-Body found buried in the yard is identified as that of Alycia Mesiti.

[worried]

Where does Gregory Ulrich live? They do not have an address posted for him on Megans website. I have not been able to find anything about him being brought in for questioning except facebook. That could be posted by anyone. Does anyone have the actual newspaper that it came from?

[juliekan]

from truth_hurts:

If there are so many drugs in that apartment, then where is the proof?

http://www.ktla.com/landing_mostinteresting/?Meth-Lab-Found-in-Murder-Suspects-West-L=1&blockID=252296&feedID=1080

Authorities say a Los Angeles County hazardous materials team found at least seventeen
barrels of precursor chemicals in a ground-floor apartment in the 2100 block of South Bentley Avenue.

The chemicals included the solvent acetone and red phosphorus, which officials say is used as a catalyst in making meth.

The lab was discovered Saturday evening when Ceres police officers from northern California went to Mark Mesiti's apartment to serve a search warrant in connection with a homicide, according to Los Angeles Police.

http://cbs2.com/local/Meth.lab.Mark.2.970682.html

A Los Angeles County hazardous materials team reportedly found at least five barrels of chemicals used in the manufacturing of methamphetamine in a ground-floor unit.

http://www.modbee.com/1618/story/647631.html

Ceres police, with help from LA police, served the search warrant at Mark Mesiti's apartment in the 2100 Block of Bentley Avenue in Los Angeles.

The investigators found a working meth lab inside the apartment, Berber said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-briefs30-2009mar30,0,2571913.story

A police hazardous materials team was cleaning a West Los Angeles apartment Sunday after authorities discovered a methamphetamine lab inside the unit.


Looks to me like it was MM's apartment, and whether or not MM is tested for drugs is immaterial. Just because you manufacture drugs does not mean you take them. I do not think LAPD called in haz-mat for a cleanup for giggles and grins.

And 17 barrels of anything would fit in my DD's 10'x12' bedroom with room to squeeze between them (I measured)

[MystryPhobia]

from truth_hurts:

If there are so many drugs in that apartment, then where is the proof?

http://www.ktla.com/landing_mostinteresting/?Meth-Lab-Found-in-Murder-Suspects-West-L=1&blockID=252296&feedID=1080

Authorities say a Los Angeles County hazardous materials team found at least seventeen
barrels of precursor chemicals in a ground-floor apartment in the 2100 block of South Bentley Avenue.

The chemicals included the solvent acetone and red phosphorus, which officials say is used as a catalyst in making meth.

The lab was discovered Saturday evening when Ceres police officers from northern California went to Mark Mesiti's apartment to serve a search warrant in connection with a homicide, according to Los Angeles Police.

http://cbs2.com/local/Meth.lab.Mark.2.970682.html

A Los Angeles County hazardous materials team reportedly found at least five barrels of chemicals used in the manufacturing of methamphetamine in a ground-floor unit.

http://www.modbee.com/1618/story/647631.html

Ceres police, with help from LA police, served the search warrant at Mark Mesiti's apartment in the 2100 Block of Bentley Avenue in Los Angeles.

The investigators found a working meth lab inside the apartment, Berber said.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-briefs30-2009mar30,0,2571913.story

A police hazardous materials team was cleaning a West Los Angeles apartment Sunday after authorities discovered a methamphetamine lab inside the unit.


Looks to me like it was MM's apartment, and whether or not MM is tested for drugs is immaterial. Just because you manufacture drugs does not mean you take them. I do not think LAPD called in haz-mat for a cleanup for giggles and grins.

And 17 barrels of anything would fit in my DD's 10'x12' bedroom with room to squeeze between them (I measured)

Thank you Juliekan. It was NOT 17 barrels of Meth.. it was 17 barrels of chemicals that are used in MAKING meth.

Truth_hurts doens't understand that we are looking at what she/he says and comparing it to what has been reported and that we know to be true and it makes no sense..

I guess we are suppose to believe that they didn't know there was a meth lab in their apartment.. oh wait.. the apartment wasn't even theirs.. he didn't live there.. they just happened to be visiting while the search warrant was served... Maybe.. truth_hurts is right and he didn't live there. Maybe it was just the "lab" to create their disgusting drug that destroys people's lives. Either way.. LE says it was HIS apartment.. and it wasn't like they had a forwarding address to get ahold of him at.. because he didn't leave that when he moved (even though finding his daughter was SOOO darn important to him).. they had to look for him and found this apartment.. AND HE WAS THERE! Wow.. crazy!

[Maelstrom5]

What's that expression? .....When I hear the sound of galloping hooves I think horses not zebras.

I can't remember but it's something like that!

Herlock, never heard that quote before-I love it.

For the record here is what numerous news reports said when Mark Mesiti was arrested ;

"They quickly discovered a working methamphetamine lab,"

No mention of amounts, just that a SB methamphetamine manufacturer was arrested.

How much does it take? Far less then most people thing. Why do I know? Because for over 30 years I worked with chemicals in a food flavor lab. The chemicals I worked with ranged from benign chemicals like Lauric Acid (coconut oil) to Hydrogen cyanide (yes the substance used in gas chambers) So when I tell you the amounts vary depending on concentration and desired usage I am not speaking hypothetically but from 3 decades of experience. 17 barrels, 17 bottles? It’s only a matter how big an operation this was.

Unlike Truth Hurts I have followed hundreds of missing children cases. Unlike Truth Hurts I know dozens of family members and 100’s of friends of the missing. When I said “this child never had a chance” it was based on countless messages I have gotten and a firm knowledge of how loving parents/friends respond when their child/friend goes missing.

Not only the kids we read about in the news; whose parents are well off and the news features them as the missing kid of the moment, but the missing kids from working class families who never get more then one news story written about them. I wrote what I wrote because I know that truly loving parents do anything and everything to find their child.

[worried]

Worried,
What neighborhoods did Mark canvas in search for Alycia? What news stations did they air her missing persons story on? What newspapers have articles relating to Alycia being missing and her fathers desperate search for her? What neighbors did he speak with about her being missing? What parents to he speak to of Alycia's friends. What about her mother? I pose these same questions for her, and for that matter you. You say you loved her. Please answer all of these questions. Since Ceres LE was conducting a cover-up with regards to Ulrich, what other law enforement agencies did you all go to to go around Ceres? My guess is that there are not any answers to any of these questions. My guess is that you, Mark, and Alycia's mother all have some sort of ties to drugs. This is what drug people do. They never ever take responsibility and they point the finger at someone else. That is what all three of you are doing. Even if Mark did not kill his own daughter and this Ulrich did, his lack of interest in her disappearance is appalling. If everything you say about this Ulrich is true, the fact that he is obviously still out there free to continue his crimes is sick. None of this has been brought out until she is found dead. You have spent a lot of time posting on this site did you spend anytime making sure that Alycia was found? Your involvement only appears to be the here and now, defending her dad. That in itself speaks volumes.

[MystryPhobia]

Truth_Hurts : so if what you say is true, why would Mark admit to burying Alycia? He admits to burying her - what's your explanation for him now? He not only is responsible for her life ending, he made those that were searching for her believe it was she that wanted to be absent. You are only making yourself look guilty - what part have you played in her life, especially the ending of it, that makes you so much an authority?

Thank you for coming back mother3.

Some of us here are very interested in your side of things.

He has admitted to burying her? I haven't read that anywhere.

[CHICANA]

How long did Mark live in the house after Alycia disappeared ?

[juliekan]

RachelRose:

I think once the forensics come back on the body/gravesite, everything will point more in one direction or the other.

[MystryPhobia]

Mystry - I've become very interested in this case, although I don't know as much about it as all the other posters here. I do have a few points to add:

1. I did an extensive search for Gregory Ulrich the other day, and truthhurts is right. His records have been wiped clean in many instances. You see his name, when you click on the offense it's 404, where all the others in the list click through to their details. I found this on the free internet, and also on a site that I don't think is quite legal, so I can't post it here - also, I can't find it again. : ( But what I'm saying is true - where you see his name on a criminal registry, it's a hollow link where the others work.

2. If her remains were ever found, anywhere else except somewhere like her father's own back yard, Gregory Ulrich would be man number one in the crime. The only way to permanently hide his crime would be to have it appear someone else did it - and this is a pretty good way, you have to admit. If her remains never were found, he would still be living under the shroud of fear of prosecution.

3. A father killing a teenage daughter - with no prior signs of abuse (open threats, locking the child in a basement, chaining the teen, etc.) is pretty unusual. Fathers who kill their children usually in the first couple years out of frustration. This would be out of a normal pattern, if he had killed he with no obvious prior severe abuse.

4. It is beyond bizarre that a father would kill his child, report her missing and be brassy enough to bury her RIGHT THERE where anyone who did the least cursury search would see her, and also the other occupants of the house and any visitors would recognize a fresh grave.

Anyway, very interesting case. Such a sweet looking girl - prayers that whatever happened to her will be discovered and justice will be served.

I am not saying that Ulrich isn't a horrible person. I am not saying he wasn't the one that did something. I am saying.. to me.. it makes no sense.

1. Who knows why there aren't any links but in my research alot of them are hollow links.. his are not the only ones.

2. It has been almost 3 years and her remains had never been found. He had essentially gotten away with it til then.. if he was responsible. Why go dig her up and put her in the back yard of a home that there is NO proof that he even knew about or knew was vacant. I will give you.. as I said before.. if what truth_hurts says is true and he was released within days of her disappearance then that is interesting. I find it amazing that the dad never told LE.. hey.. this guy did this and now he is out.. my daughter is gone.. go TALK TO HIM. It is amazing that none of the PI's that he supposedly hired.. didn't do this. It is amazing to me that Mark left the area without leaving a forwarding address with LE, who he supposedly had REPEATEDLY went to for help in finding his daughter. It is amazing to me that the PD has no record of his transactions with him. Just seems odd.

3. There was alleged abuse and drug activity with the father or are you completely disregarding what Alycia's mother is saying and taking truth_hurts word for that? I think that somewhere in the middle of their stories is probably the truth.. which would lend to some form of abuse by the father.. be it physical or mental. I don't find it that unusual that a man, who could have been abusive in the past, could unintentially harm his 14 year old daughter.

4. He didn't report her missing. He sent his gf down to report her as a runaway. I think if he had reported her "missing" a much more extensive search would have been conducted. Two totally scenerios IMO.

[worried]

If you read this log you will see that there is an officer Ulrich still working for the Turlock PD. How far is Turlock from Ceres. Are you sure that they are related? http://www.ci.turlock.ca.us/citydepartments/policedepartment/activitylog/index.asp?date=4/6/2009

[worried]

Read this list of campain contributors from Turlock. One is a Mark Ulrich who is listed as a Modesto Police officer. This was from 2005. Could this be a relative? http://www.city-data.com/elec2/06/elec-TURLOCK-CA-06.html

[aproudmom]

Body found in Ceres yard
Case may be linked to that of missing girl
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/644384.html


Another child brought home. But I dont think her parents are going to be thrilled. :angry:

Stories like this make me sick. I quess I should keep my thoughts to myself until more details are released.

But,her parents reported her as a run away....yet if this is Alycia she was found buried in the yard where her family once lived.


Snipped:

According to a missing person flier, Alycia took a bag of clothing and her pet Chihuahua when she vanished from her home in August 2006.

"(Alycia) was reported as a runaway," Berber said.

omg in the backyard..how sad:crying:

[MystryPhobia]

This is kinda creepy but when looking for things on Gary Ulrich.. I found this.

http://digibutter.nerr.biz/viewtopic.php?p=1280102 10th post

It is a teenager (I believe, because they talk about living with parents and brother) who lives in California. They claim that they were on pictochat on their DS.. while riding in a car. A car was beside them and watching them.. next thing the person knew.. they had a message on their pictochat.. "Hi, this is Gary Ulrich, what is your home address?". They gave it to them and regretted it, according to the person. This was left on a thread that was about pedophiles getting to children thru their DS's.

truth_hurts.. maybe you could contact the person. Maybe they know something about Gary.

[MystryPhobia]

Hi PCP777.. I have read Alycia's thread over at MDS. It seems that it is similar to this thread.. in that.. we are all questioning what truth_hurts knows or doesn't know and why they are so cryptic. I hadn't read about the evidence yet but I have to HUH?? The kids dad is in jail.. could possibly get charged with his daughters death and the son is holding on to evidence that would prove someone else guilty of her murder? AND if there was this evidence then where was it BEFORE her body was found in the backyard. I am completely confused. This whole thing is odd! truth_hurts has also state that they know without a doubt that the son would NOT have called in the tip to LE about searching the house.. if they can't even call him to tell him to turn over some evidence.. how can they make that statement. Am I missing something?

:unsure:

[MystryPhobia]

Yeah.. if I was a betting person.. I would put my money on him being charged with Alycia's murder and/or cover up of it. I hope that I am wrong. I just think that there is far more chance of him being involved than of Ulrich. I don't know who truth_hurts is but I wish they would spit it out and say. Not sure why they are hiding if they have nothing to hide and/or fear.

Mark's first court appearance was today but I haven't been able to find out anything about it on the internet yet.. hopefully there will be something said about it somewhere. I think the fact that Alycia was found in Stanislaus County and he is in jail.. on unrelated charges in LA County.. might be a problem with info coming out quickly. Hope that I am wrong.

I did some research after hearing truth_hurts arguement about the drug charges being bogus too. I found the LA Superior Court guidelines for bail. Possession with the intent to manufacture methamphetamine carries a bail of $50,000. The only charge that carries a $500,000 bail in relation to meth is "Possession of a controlled substance for sale.. if over 10 kilos, if over 5 gallons liquid or 2 1/2 pounds powder"

I do not know that much about meth.. if it is always liquid or it becomes a solid.. powder.. what.. but I have to think that truth_hurts is wrong, in that, they DID find quite a bit of the drug and not just barrels of the chemical to manufacture the drug. I think that the bail would be much lower if they just found some chemicals and nothing else. I also don't think that they would have said it was a "working meth lab".

BTW.. congrats on being clean as long as you have. While I have no personal experience.. I know how hard some of these drugs can get a grip on your life... and how hard it is to fight that. Kudos to you for your strength and resolve!

[PCP777]

Thank you so much. Since the cops have him on the meth charges, they have a chance to take their time and be careful with the murder case. They can slow their roll, so to speak. So do we know exactly what he is charged with?

[darcie]

This is kinda an odd link, it is actually an advertisement for a lawyer, but they have a little bit posted about Mark Mesiti, and the arrest, with a picture ( I am assuming of what was found at Mark's house.) By the picture, they were manufacturing meth. Selling it too, I am sure. Anyway, here is the link:

http://blog.roberthelfend.com/public/item/lapd-discover-meth-lab-arrest-two-on-drug-charges

[PCP777]

Thank you so much. Since the cops have him on the meth charges, they have a chance to take their time and be careful with the murder case. They can slow their roll, so to speak. So do we know exactly what he is charged with?




Oh some more answers.

"Mesiti was booked on a drug-related charge, with bail set at $500,000, according to authorities. It was not immediately clear if Mesiti was wanted in the homicide investigation as well.

Los Angeles police also arrested an unidentified woman in connection with the suspected drug lab, LAPD Sgt. Gary Levy of the West Los Angeles station said.

A Los Angeles County hazardous materials team reportedly found at least five barrels of chemicals used in the manufacturing of methamphetamine in a ground-floor unit."


Yeah, the cops have all the time they need with that half million dollar bail.


http://cbs2.com/local/Meth.lab.Mark.2.970682.html

[darcie]

I keep checking everyday to see if the autopsy results are in. The way the paper talked, they should have been in by now. I have emailed the Mod Bee several times, but have never received a response! :angry:

[PCP777]

Good link. Notice how the huge hole is directly outside the sliding glass patio door. The video is worth watching as well as the slide show.


http://www.modbee.com/breakingnews/story/647631.html?pageNum=1&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container

[darcie]

Deleted the post because the link didn't work.

Hope this one does.

http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm

Wil have to type in his name

[MystryPhobia]

Deleted the post because the link didn't work.

Hope this one does.

http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm

Wil have to type in his name

Thanks for reposting that link. The date has changed.. up until today it said his next court appearance was 5/13 at 7am.. now it says 5/14 at 8am. Hopefully we will learn something tomorrow.. after he goes to court.

[Maelstrom5]

Tragic Santa Clara County custody case: Dad suspected in girl's death
www.mercurynews.com/ci_12363628

"Powerless and tormented, a Campbell mother awaits the story her daughter's bones will tell..."

[darcie]

Geeeezz...what a sad story. Thanks for the link Maelstrom.

*snipped from the link*

"Dad's story was he was getting phone calls periodically" from the missing girl, said Sgt. James Robbins. "But it doesn't appear she ever left the house."
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I hope Alycia's cries haunt him for a long long time. Why fight for something you don't want? Just so someone else can't have it? Cases like these make me sick.

There is obviously two sides to every story, and the mother's side hasn't been heard. But truthfully, it sounds as if she wasn't capable of caring for her child either. The sad thing is, things like this go on everyday. Parents fighting for children they don't even want and can't even take care of. The children always come out the loosers. Alycia gave her life for a battle that was never winnable. I hope and pray she is now at peace.

I'm disgusted......I hope they nail his butt soon, and I hope the charges he faces puts his girlfriend's daughter in someone's loving arms.
Anywhere aways from the environment and people she has been previously exposed too.

[juliekan]

Tragic Santa Clara County custody case: Dad suspected in girl's death
www.mercurynews.com/ci_12363628

"Powerless and tormented, a Campbell mother awaits the story her daughter's bones will tell..."

Oh my! what a story. :sad:And I forgot about reading this early on in another article:

Ceres police say they no longer believe Mesiti's story that the girl ran away during a camping trip with friends and her pet Chihuahua. "Dad's story was he was getting phone calls periodically" from the missing girl, said Sgt. James Robbins. "But it doesn't appear she ever left the house."

[Maelstrom5]

Oh my! what a story. :sad:And I forgot about reading this early on in another article:

Ceres police say they no longer believe Mesiti's story that the girl ran away during a camping trip with friends and her pet Chihuahua. "Dad's story was he was getting phone calls periodically" from the missing girl, said Sgt. James Robbins. "But it doesn't appear she ever left the house."

Mark Edward Mesiti has been lying since day one and Truth Hurts has come here in an effort to substantiate those lies- and failed miserably

[PCP777]

Tragic Santa Clara County custody case: Dad suspected in girl's death
www.mercurynews.com/ci_12363628

"Powerless and tormented, a Campbell mother awaits the story her daughter's bones will tell..."

Great link, I was just about to post it.


So looks like truth_hurts story is collapsing like a house of cards. I haven't seen her on either forum in a couple days. I wonder who she is....

I still feel bad for the mother here. Looks like Mark had more resources for the custody battle.

"Allen, a former assembly worker now working for a restaurant, was deemed unfit by the court. She had made a frank admission to feeling depressed after what she described as years of persecution by her children's father. Before Chiarello's decision, records show, Allen told the court she had fled multiple states to get away from Mesiti and even to Canada, where she and the children stayed in battered women's shelters."

To me, it's amazing that he got custody. I've always thought the mother get's the "push" in these kinds of cases. Well, it looks like she had some major issues as well.

Poor Alycia.

[MystryPhobia]

Tragic Santa Clara County custody case: Dad suspected in girl's death
www.mercurynews.com/ci_12363628

"Powerless and tormented, a Campbell mother awaits the story her daughter's bones will tell..."


Thanks for that Maelstrom..

OMG.. you know.. this just goes to show how sometimes your gut reaction to someone is soo correct. I couldn't figure out why I had such strong feelings of disgust and detest for that man. Why I became so angry about truth_hurts posts.

This father was the lowest of the low. His daughter had been calling him periodically?? WTH truth_hurts.. I thought when the truth came out.. it would prove that he hired private detectives and was beating down the door of the Ceres PD.. BEGGING them to help find his daughter?? He never did a dang thing except tell police that she was calling him so that they WOULD NOT look for her.

Oh and your little piece about how the media is SOOO WRONG in reporting.. seems you were right.. not so much of a tip being called in anonymously but LOTS of evidence gained in interviews recently that was NOT disclosed before that led them to that back yard.

An arrest is imminent??? Hallelujah!!

He is a sick and disgusting drug maker and dealer and dare I say.. murderer!! (IMO)and I hope he gets EVERYTHING that is coming to him.

[MystryPhobia]

Great link, I was just about to post it.


So looks like truth_hurts story is collapsing like a house of cards. I haven't seen her on either forum in a couple days. I wonder who she is....

I still feel bad for the mother here. Looks like Mark had more resources for the custody battle.

"Allen, a former assembly worker now working for a restaurant, was deemed unfit by the court. She had made a frank admission to feeling depressed after what she described as years of persecution by her children's father. Before Chiarello's decision, records show, Allen told the court she had fled multiple states to get away from Mesiti and even to Canada, where she and the children stayed in battered women's shelters."

To me, it's amazing that he got custody. I've always thought the mother get's the "push" in these kinds of cases. Well, it looks like she had some major issues as well.

Poor Alycia.

I agree PCP777. You know that saddest part of the story to me is that if she really was depressed, as she said.. and NOBODY helped her.. legally, mentally but just took the word of Mark and his attorney.. then she was absued twice.. by Mark and by the system that is suppose to protect women and children from men like him. The amount of money someone has.. SHOULD NOT determind which parent gets a child. If a woman is in court saying that she has suffered from domestic violence.. that her children have suffered from domestic violence.. that she is depressed and suicidal.. GET HER HELP! Don't rip the children from her arms and create an even bigger gap... send her deeper into depression. If all of that article is true and it is found that Mark murdered Alycia.. I have to think that she would have some legal ramifications if she wanted to go that route.. against the county and Mark.

I have been clinically depressed and unless you have been there.. you cannot understand how dark and deep it is. How even the things that seem easy to a lay person.. seem unattainable to you.. and even if you could do it.. you didn't deserve it. It makes me so angry to think that nobody was willing to help her.

[worried]

This case is utterly disgusting. I am sorry to say it does not surprise me that Mesiti got custody of his daughter. My husband and I battled his ex-wife for years in custody hearings. She had documented mental disorders, drug and alcohol abuse problems and a new husband who had over 10 DUI's. The house was filthy, the new husband continued to drink and drive without a license, there were known herione addicts living on and off with them. They were manipulators, compolsive liers, etc etc etc. We got custody, however the court allowed every other week-end visits. We were scared to death that the new husband would drive the children while intoxicated so we attempted to get an order to prevent the children from being around the new husband. The judge said the "wife" could supervise the new husband with regards to the children. Unbelievable. The children were told to lie to us, blah blah blah. Thank goodness the children are now grown and are wonderful adults. One of them has some emotional issues but that is a drop in the bucket compared to poor Alycia. My advise for parents in this situation is: DOCUMENT EVERYTHING, NEVER LIE TO THE COURTS, TAKE THE CHILDREN IN FOR COUNSELING SO THE THERAPIST CAN GIVE THEIR INPUT TO THE COURTS, AND CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR YOUR CHILDREN.That is what we did and we also continued to give them a normal home life with us. Oh, by the way, as in the Mesiti case, the mother would continue to fight for more time with the children and when the court would grant the additional time she would not use it. So, we would just go right back to court. We had an attorney but for those in a bad financial situation, legal aid is available in most court houses.

[MystryPhobia]

MysteryPhobia I do commend you for your efforts towards keeping the issues on point, and the service of this board well laid towards all having voice. Despite some that are pronounced, by their own endeavors, as unsavory, I do visit though reluctantly. In answer to your query, my remark was due to a private conversation with the prosecuting attorney, and I was so inflamed by what I read...I ultimately said more than I should have, though I know at this point they don't tell me anything that they fear to be known - The brother is one that loved Alycia unconditionally from the time she was born - stressed about day trips with daycare to Great America because then he would have to fight with the aids to make sure he saw her onto the bus - "What if... Mom??? - he was six. He made sure to always call with not only the assurance he was o.k., but also that Alycia was or was not O.K. - even when he had to leave and he was 3000 miles away. Brother survived trying to find a way to live apart from his father, and he's now relatively O.K. Alycia's dead because she tried finding a life with her father. Brother never gave anything other than what he knew to the police because he had nothing else to give - he wasn't there. And Ulrich? Damn, if anything I would think Mark used and framed him. There were pedophile complaints against Mark already, as well as those involving drugging rapes, oh!! and what about when he put the claw hammer into Sheri's head back when he was 17? Mark's been hiding and lying all his atrocities for a lifetime - and when he can't his family does it for him. My yelling and defining the specifics to the family court seems about as effectual as spouting it here- but then this is just a forum, and Alycia's already dead. I lost that battle, again, and again, and again...

God Bless ya Mother3. I know I couldn't have helped but I am sooo very sorry for how much the system let Alycia and you down. I am completely outraged about the whole thing. I know that we all have our issues.. also know that depression can make those issues 10 times worse and make it impossible for us to do what we normally would be able to do. I wish I could hug you right now. I am very sorry for your loss.

I emailed LE with several of truth_hurts post and what they were saying about Greg Ulrich and Mark. I told told them what she was here claiming about LE. I noticed that every single post that has to do with truth_hurts is now gone. I don't know if she had something to do with that or if LE did but I am glad that she is not spewing her skewed views anymore. I pray that man pays for what he did to Alycia and that her family finds some peace.

[worried]

In most counties in the state of California, divorce records are open to the public. You have to go to the court house where the proceedings were filed and look up the icase number on their computers. Then you go to the counter with a valid drivers license and check out the case folder. You can then put aside the pages that you want copied and the clerks will make copies for you for a minimal fee. I just wish I lived near where Alycia's parents divorce took place. I would love to read the court documents. If everything that Alycia's mom says is true, everyone should raise holy &*() with letters etc to the presiding judge/judges in that case. CPS representatives should be held accountable as well. How many more cases like this are we going to have to read about. You bring a child into this world and a stranger gets to make decisions about where that child will live, etc. In so many cases, the judge is too busy to even bother reading the file prior to his or her decision. CPS? What a joke. A friend of mine worked in their field very briefly. She was so disgusted by what parents got away with that she left the field. Something needs to be done!

[MystryPhobia]

His bail has been lowered to $205,000 and his next court appearance is on 5/28/09 0830.

[juliekan]

Wonder if he has an "employer" with that kind of money for bail? How important is he to his "employer's business?" Or was it his business?

[PCP777]

Mother3, I am so sorry for your loss. thanks for sharing with us here.



Wonder if he has an "employer" with that kind of money for bail? How important is he to his "employer's business?" Or was it his business?


Probably his as he was manufacturing.

[you_wish]

Hi PCP777.. I have read Alycia's thread over at MDS. It seems that it is similar to this thread.. in that.. we are all questioning what truth_hurts knows or doesn't know and why they are so cryptic. I hadn't read about the evidence yet but I have to HUH?? The kids dad is in jail.. could possibly get charged with his daughters death and the son is holding on to evidence that would prove someone else guilty of her murder? AND if there was this evidence then where was it BEFORE her body was found in the backyard. I am completely confused. This whole thing is odd! truth_hurts has also state that they know without a doubt that the son would NOT have called in the tip to LE about searching the house.. if they can't even call him to tell him to turn over some evidence.. how can they make that statement. Am I missing something?

:unsure:

I've been on the MDS site under the name EndersGirl. I just wanted to clarify the whole evidence situation. truth_hurts contacted me through myspace asking me to get the 'son' to collect evidence proving that Ulrich was the murderer. I thought this was very strange so I told truth_hurts that if they DID have this so-called evidence to take it to the police themselves, but truth_hurts would not let me know why the 'son' HAD to do. It was very odd and set me off.

Also I agree with mother3 about Mark probably using and framing Ulrich. It's the type of thing Mark would do to try and save himself... yet again.

[MystryPhobia]

In most counties in the state of California, divorce records are open to the public. You have to go to the court house where the proceedings were filed and look up the icase number on their computers. Then you go to the counter with a valid drivers license and check out the case folder. You can then put aside the pages that you want copied and the clerks will make copies for you for a minimal fee. I just wish I lived near where Alycia's parents divorce took place. I would love to read the court documents. If everything that Alycia's mom says is true, everyone should raise holy &*() with letters etc to the presiding judge/judges in that case. CPS representatives should be held accountable as well. How many more cases like this are we going to have to read about. You bring a child into this world and a stranger gets to make decisions about where that child will live, etc. In so many cases, the judge is too busy to even bother reading the file prior to his or her decision. CPS? What a joke. A friend of mine worked in their field very briefly. She was so disgusted by what parents got away with that she left the field. Something needs to be done!

You can get some of the criminal information and divorce records.. from LA Superior from these.. for a fee.. that way you don't have to physically go to the courthouse.

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineservices/criminalIndex/index.asp?source=

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/ldos/index.aspx

I haven't looked for Stanislaus County and not sure any other counties that they may have lived in.

I did find a Stanislaus County index of court cases that you could search by year.. I will have to find the link tho. On there... I found a restraining order.. and civil suit of some kind against him.. unlawful detainer action..

[juliekan]

I've been on the MDS site under the name EndersGirl. I just wanted to clarify the whole evidence situation. truth_hurts contacted me through myspace asking me to get the 'son' to collect evidence proving that Ulrich was the murderer. I thought this was very strange so I told truth_hurts that if they DID have this so-called evidence to take it to the police themselves, but truth_hurts would not let me know why the 'son' HAD to do. It was very odd and set me off.

Also I agree with mother3 about Mark probably using and framing Ulrich. It's the type of thing Mark would do to try and save himself... yet again.

I would love for LE to know all this.....especially who truth_hurts is....sounds like she could "help" them with this case......:sneaky:

[you_wish]

The right people will know about what truth_hurts has been saying and bout this "evidence". Due to not being home right now I have not been able to contact the person in charge, but as soon as I get home this weekend I will make the phone call. Sadly truth_hurts has fallen into Mark's trap and the more she spews her crap and backs him up the more she makes herself to look like an accomplice.
RIP Alycia

[MystryPhobia]

I've been on the MDS site under the name EndersGirl. I just wanted to clarify the whole evidence situation. truth_hurts contacted me through myspace asking me to get the 'son' to collect evidence proving that Ulrich was the murderer. I thought this was very strange so I told truth_hurts that if they DID have this so-called evidence to take it to the police themselves, but truth_hurts would not let me know why the 'son' HAD to do. It was very odd and set me off.

Also I agree with mother3 about Mark probably using and framing Ulrich. It's the type of thing Mark would do to try and save himself... yet again.
To get the son to collect evidence that truth_hurts had or where was this evidence? That is strange and yeah I hope that LE followed up with this person. I have a feeling that everything is deleted because LE did become very interested in what she was saying about the case.. about evidence.. about Ulrich.. etc. etc.

As sad as it is.. I have heard that Mark was a master at manipulating people. Perhaps he did tell truth hurts all of this stuff and perhaps she just was open and believed him. If that is the case then I feel very sorry for her and could see how love for someone could lead you to believe things.. that may not be true. I hope if that is the case then she comes back and gives us another try. We can understand that. Many of us can have compassion for that.

On the other hand.. if she has first hand knowledge than I hope and pray that she is held accountable.

[worried]

Hi Mystery,
Do you think Alycia's mother would tell us what courthouse the divorce proceeding took place? I also wondered if perhaps the file is now sealed due to this criminal matter. In light of the outcome of the judge's decision, it may behove the court to seal these documents. Where did you find the restraining order against Mark? Were you able to determine who filed the order?

[worried]

I am so sorry for your loss mother3. I too have gone through the horrid court systems with my husband regarding his kids with his ex. It is a joke. The court thinks it is in the childs best interest to spend time with both parents no matter how bad one of the parents may be. All the court system seems to want to do is try to give both parents a bit of what they want so that they do not have to see the parents back in court. They truly seem to care less what is in the best interest of the children. We would get a judge that was really great and seemed to be working in the best interest of the children, but then the next time, some new horrible judge who could care less. We got custody but the children were still allowed to spend too much time with the ex and her raging alcoholic husband. You really need to go after the judge, the courts and everyone involved in this case. If you would like to send me a private message with regards to the court house, etc, I would be more than happy to send inquiries as to how this was allowed to take place. Whether or not this will give you any comfort, I am a true believer in Karma. Mark is in jail and will no doubt be in jail for a very long time. Most criminals, even killers, cannot abide child killers. I do not think he will enjoy his stay in the big house. I believe that everything that he has done will come back to him in spades in prison.

[MystryPhobia]

Hi Mystery,
Do you think Alycia's mother would tell us what courthouse the divorce proceeding took place? I also wondered if perhaps the file is now sealed due to this criminal matter. In light of the outcome of the judge's decision, it may behove the court to seal these documents. Where did you find the restraining order against Mark? Were you able to determine who filed the order?

I will have to go find it again but I believe it was in Stanislaus County. You can search court cases by year.. on their site.

I couldn't tell that much about it. You can only see the file type and plantiff or defendent.

I had everything that I found on notepad but I don't remember ever saving it and not sure what happened to it. Probably kids.:glare: They didn't have things such as marriage or divorce records on there tho.

[you_wish]

To get the son to collect evidence that truth_hurts had or where was this evidence?

I guess truth_hurts doesn't actually have this "evidence", she told me it's in a storage unit. She wants the son to go to the unit and pick up the evidence... a little suspicious isn't it? It looks like a setup to me; a way to "capture" the son and get him out of the picture... which the son actually agrees with me about.
So much to truth_hurts disdain if she knows where the "evidence" is (that's if it even exists) and wants her version of the truth to come out then she's going to have to do it all herself. I doubt anyone (especially the son) is going to do truth_hurts errands for her especially when she seems to be 100% of Mark's side... people have learned not to trust Mark (myself included) or trust the ones who stand by his side.

[darcie]

Thinking of you Alycia, and holding out hope that you receive justice.

Lots of finger pointing in this case. Truth_hurts may wish they never posted on this message board. It would seems to me that if you knew any facts about a case, you would be presenting them to LE not to us crime board junkies. I always shake my head when I see that happen. They seem to muddle the picture for me. I am such a sucker for ANYONE. My hubby calls me a push over. I am just niave. I always believe people. I don't make a habit out of lying, and I just assume everyone else is like that. One of these days maybe I will learn. I need to stick to the facts, the end.

So the facts are:

Alycia was reported as a runaway, yet supposdely went camping with some friends. I never saw where it was reported that anyone talked to these supposed friends. Not her mother, nor her father. I have never seen a report where people from her family (mother or father) were searching for her. 2 1/2 years later she is found buried in the backyard of the house she once lived, but yet her father moved from.

I'll stick with the orginal thoughts i had when i first started this thread.

No one seemed to care about Alycia. They didn't seem to care while she was alive. They don't seem to care now that she is dead.

Well, I care Alycia. I care.

MOO

:sad:

[darcie]

Ok...it seems that I need to apoligize to the mother. She is speaking out for Alycia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIbw5VvhCoc

CHILD MURDERED BY HER FATHER REMAINS FOUND AFTER TWO YEARS

[Maelstrom5]

Thinking of you Alycia, and holding out hope that you receive justice.


So the facts are:

Alycia was reported as a runaway, yet supposdely went camping with some friends. I never saw where it was reported that anyone talked to these supposed friends. Not her mother, nor her father. I have never seen a report where people from her family (mother or father) were searching for her. 2 1/2 years later she is found buried in the backyard of the house she once lived, but yet her father moved from.

I'll stick with the orginal thoughts i had when i first started this thread.

No one seemed to care about Alycia. They didn't seem to care while she was alive. They don't seem to care now that she is dead.

Well, I care Alycia. I care.

MOO

:sad:

There was an effort to jump start the investigation into Alycia's disappearance back in Sept. of 2008. The Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation offered $5,000 for information, but the facts at the time were the same. Alycia was supposed to have gone to a friend’s house then camping with someone unknown, but there was never any indication that the Ceres police ever interviewed the friend to find out if that was true.

There is nothing on the net to suggest that Mark ever did anything to help locate Alycia and we now know he told falsehoods to mislead the police.

It seems the turning point came in January of this year when the old investigator retired and Sgt. James Robbins took over the case and started to investigate it the way it should have been done back in 2006.

[MystryPhobia]

There was an effort to jump start the investigation into Alycia's disappearance back in Sept. of 2008. The Carole Sund/Carrington Foundation offered $5,000 for information, but the facts at the time were the same. Alycia was supposed to have gone to a friend’s house then camping with someone unknown, but there was never any indication that the Ceres police ever interviewed the friend to find out if that was true.

There is nothing on the net to suggest that Mark ever did anything to help locate Alycia and we now know he told falsehoods to mislead the police.

It seems the turning point came in January of this year when the old investigator retired and Sgt. James Robbins took over the case and started to investigate it the way it should have been done back in 2006.

Yes.. I am soo grateful for the fresh set of eyes. I WISH that they would do this with all of the missing person cases out there. I know the resources are not always there but I wonder how many cases could be solved just having a new person look at the evidence.

If you ask me.. I bet the only thing this new detective did is start talking to people. You know that people have talked over the last 2 years and they have come up with theories.. based on what they know. Maybe the tip was no more than someone saying.. I didn't get a good feeling about it this or that. Saying that they knew things to be true that he said wasn't. None of her friends saying that she had been with them or planned to go camping. Things that made them suspicious. The home had never been searched.. WHY? Because she was reported as a runaway.. and the man couldn't even go down to the PD to do that. He never followed up about his daughter to LE and when they tried to.. he would tell them that he had talked to her. I hope they charge him soon and I if that gf is involved.. hope she is charged too.

I have a feeling that truth_hurts was sucked in by Mark and that she believed everything that he told her. That Ulrich did it. That he didn't live in the apartment with Shelly. That him and Shelly were not dating.. etc. etc. It is all starting to make sense. What a lying, manipulating loser IMO.

[PCP777]

I guess truth_hurts doesn't actually have this "evidence", she told me it's in a storage unit. She wants the son to go to the unit and pick up the evidence... a little suspicious isn't it? It looks like a setup to me; a way to "capture" the son and get him out of the picture... which the son actually agrees with me about.
So much to truth_hurts disdain if she knows where the "evidence" is (that's if it even exists) and wants her version of the truth to come out then she's going to have to do it all herself. I doubt anyone (especially the son) is going to do truth_hurts errands for her especially when she seems to be 100% of Mark's side... people have learned not to trust Mark (myself included) or trust the ones who stand by his side.



No matter what, you don't need to go anywhere she asks you to. It does look like a set up. I would get this information and copies of her communication to the police.

[Leanne Weich]

The son must stay away from anything these people (not the mom) tries to set up. Something awfully fishy going on there.

This is just one terrible case and, yet again, CPS and the legal system let another precious, innocent child down. From what has been written about Mark, it is no wonder the poor mom was depressed.

God bless you mom of 3. I'm so sorry that you have had to endure allthese years of pain and will, undoubtedly, continue to do so. I know it's hard, but try to be grateful that your precious daughter doesn't have to suffer God knows what types of abuse at the hands of her sperm donor.

[PCP777]

The son must stay away from anything these people (not the mom) tries to set up. Something awfully fishy going on there.

This is just one terrible case and, yet again, CPS and the legal system let another precious, innocent child down. From what has been written about Mark, it is no wonder the poor mom was depressed.

God bless you mom of 3. I'm so sorry that you have had to endure allthese years of pain and will, undoubtedly, continue to do so. I know it's hard, but try to be grateful that your precious daughter doesn't have to suffer God knows what types of abuse at the hands of her sperm donor.


She posted a heart breaking poem on MDS. You can see it here.

http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=16508.msg1282079#new


My heart goes out to her.

[Leanne Weich]

She posted a heart breaking poem on MDS. You can see it here.

http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=16508.msg1282079#new


My heart goes out to her.

Thanks so much for the link Tam. You're dead on, heartbreaking, to say the least. I can't begin to, nor do I wish to quite honestly,
comprehend what this poor woman has been and is still going through.

[PCP777]

Thanks so much for the link Tam. You're dead on, heartbreaking, to say the least. I can't begin to, nor do I wish to quite honestly,
comprehend what this poor woman has been and is still going through.


Who is Tam?

Anyways, it's very very sad.

[Leanne Weich]

Who is Tam?

Anyways, it's very very sad.

I honestly don't know how that happened PCP, but thanks for the link and sorry about the mistake.

[PCP777]

I honestly don't know how that happened PCP, but thanks for the link and sorry about the mistake.No worries.:biggrin:

[iluvmua]

Hi, does anybody know why Alycia's father killed her?

[PCP777]

Hi, does anybody know why Alycia's father killed her?



There has been only speculation ranging from she ODed and she was buried to cover up the accident to maybe she threatened to turn him in for manufacturing/selling dope. Maybe he just lost his mind and killed her on impulse. Maybe he was abusing her. I'm not sure we'll ever know.

What we do know that a beautiful talented girl lost her life and somehow ended up buried in his back yard.


RIP Alycia

[darcie]

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_12434096

Opinion: Teen died after red flags went unheeded in Santa Clara County custody decision
----


Thinking of you Alycia.

Wonder if her autopsy results were ever in and or made public? I don't really expect them to find anything....but maybe I'm wrong. Anyone hear?

[darcie]

http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=5574994846089


Guest book for Alycia........I wonder if there will ever be a funeral?

[darcie]

I'm sorry I keep posting these seperate, When i find one it is to late to edit.

*snipped*

Powerless and tormented, a Campbell mother awaits the story her daughter's bones will tell. The remains of Alycia Augusta Mesiti-Allen, 14 when she vanished in August 2006, are now in the hands of toxicologists and coroners. Since March, when cadaver-sniffing dogs found her body buried in the unkempt yard of her father's former Central Valley home, detectives have scoured for evidence from the girl's petite frame. Those detectives say the clues point to her father, Mark Edward Mesiti, as a suspect in her death and say an arrest is imminent. With a lengthy criminal past, the 41-year-old was still granted custody of Alycia and her older brother in Santa Clara County Superior Court less than a year before the girl went missing. The death of the smiling teen, who loved horses and Shakira, lays bare the intractable choices that family court judges face every day, but the tragic outcome has everyone who worked on Alycia's case looking back wondering what more could have been done.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/mercurynews/obituary.aspx?n=alycia-mesitiallen&pid=127295881

[PCP777]

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_12434096

Opinion: Teen died after red flags went unheeded in Santa Clara County custody decision
----


Thinking of you Alycia.

Wonder if her autopsy results were ever in and or made public? I don't really expect them to find anything....but maybe I'm wrong. Anyone hear?


Good article, I didn't know that mark had been busted for domestic abuse. That changes my opinion on what might have happened to her.
I haven't heard anything on the autopsy results.


What kind of monster can kill his own children? It seems like it's totally on the rise these days. As a parent, I can't fathom it.

[darcie]

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-259804


Most of this has been posted I beleive, but in case not, here it is.

[juliekan]

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-259804


Most of this has been posted I beleive, but in case not, here it is.

that's a terrific rundown on all the facts in this case. thanks.

[BevAnn]

pcp-I know, I can't imagine - that's why I lean towards it was an accident, maybe drug related, and he didn't want to get busted, so he hid the body. I lean towards that cuz I can't wrap my mind around a dad killing his beautiful 14 yo daughter. :(

[PCP777]

pcp-I know, I can't imagine - that's why I lean towards it was an accident, maybe drug related, and he didn't want to get busted, so he hid the body. I lean towards that cuz I can't wrap my mind around a dad killing his beautiful 14 yo daughter. :(


You know it happens all the time, like the father that strangled his wife and two children. The Coleman case?


That's just craziness.

[darcie]

You know it happens all the time, like the father that strangled his wife and two children. The Coleman case?


That's just craziness.

I agree with you AND BevAnn. How can anyone...harm their child? I can't wrap this blonde head of mine around it...at all. It makes me sick. Between sexual abuse and murder...we are loosing our children at a fast pace...to nothing but pure evil.

And the coleman case? You ought to go read what I just posted pcp...you will be shocked.

[you_wish]

I used to wonder how a parent could harm/kill their own child just like everyone here is wondering. Then I met Mark. From what I saw with my own eyes he didn't seem to care about much except his 17 yr old girlfriend (at the time) and his drugs. All he did was yell at his son or make him feel like crap. Lock his son and I out of the apartment (in LA) so we'd have to wander around LA at 1-2 in the morning. He even pushed his son into a wall one day (which then turned into a fight...and not the 1st) because he didn't want his son to call Shelly to let her know Mark was trying to kick him out of her apartment.
Mark scares me more than any other person. He didn't care about his son so I can't imagine he cared about his daughter. The son always protected Alycia when Mark would advance on her in rage, but sadly when Alycia disappeared her brother was not there. And for that I feel regret.

As for the autopsy. I don't think the results are in yet, but I believe they are supposed to be soon.

RIP Alycia

[PCP777]

I used to wonder how a parent could harm/kill their own child just like everyone here is wondering. Then I met Mark. From what I saw with my own eyes he didn't seem to care about much except his 17 yr old girlfriend (at the time) and his drugs. All he did was yell at his son or make him feel like crap. Lock his son and I out of the apartment (in LA) so we'd have to wander around LA at 1-2 in the morning. He even pushed his son into a wall one day (which then turned into a fight...and not the 1st) because he didn't want his son to call Shelly to let her know Mark was trying to kick him out of her apartment.
Mark scares me more than any other person. He didn't care about his son so I can't imagine he cared about his daughter. The son always protected Alycia when Mark would advance on her in rage, but sadly when Alycia disappeared her brother was not there. And for that I feel regret.

As for the autopsy. I don't think the results are in yet, but I believe they are supposed to be soon.

RIP Alycia

Wow, thanks for sharing. So you were one of the son's friends?

[you_wish]

I'm the son's fiance. We've been together since 2006 before Alycia went missing. The son has told me a lot about what Mark did around the Ceres house and how things were living with him, at first I thought the son was exaggerating a bit. But then I lived with Mark for 2 1/2 months in Shelly's LA apartment and I realized the son hadn't been lying about Mark. So my fiance and I left LA without Mark knowing so we could get away from him... Mark then proceeded to try and get us arrested by spreading bs about how we stole things from him. *shakes head* Only real reason (I think) he didn't want us 'free' was because we witnessed a lot of things like the 17 yr old girlfriend he got pregnant, meth, etc.
Sorry I didn't mean to ramble on, I got carried away. But yes I know the son very well.

[BevAnn]

You Wish - after hearing from you and Alycia's mom, it just breaks my heart what all this man put all you through. He's just a pile of $%^!!

I hope he stays locked away forever! :cursing:

[you_wish]

You Wish - after hearing from you and Alycia's mom, it just breaks my heart what all this man put all you through. He's just a pile of $%^!!

I hope he stays locked away forever! :cursing:

I hope he stays locked away forever as well. There's several different charges against him so one has to keep him in locked up.

[Maelstrom5]

I hope he stays locked away forever as well. There's several different charges against him so one has to keep him in locked up.

Hi You wish,

TY for filling us in on Mark’s background. Your description fit’s the profile I have had of him since Alycia’s remains were found.

My take on him is he is a narcissistic sociopath. The type of person who only views people, including his children, as objects to be used. Your fiancé and his little sister were nothing but pawns to him. Pawns to be used to both torment his ex-wife, and to be used as stage props to fool people into thinking he was something he was not.

There is a special place in hell for people like him, and regardless of what happens on earth (hopefully putting him behind bars for life) his real penalty will come later, and that retribution will last for eternity.

Hopefully you and Alycia’s big brother will have children. When you do, your children will have a guardian Angel; Alycia.

Alycia is safe in heaven, where there are no tears, and someday you will all be together again.

Peter

[you_wish]

Thank you Maelstrom, I appreciate everything you said.

It is sad that my fiance and Alycia were only pawns, but 'pawn' is a good way to describe it. I really had hoped I could met Alycia, I had heard so much about her from her brother.
Mark will get what's coming to him in time. Though I hope it's sooner rather than later for Alycia's mother and brother's sakes.

[PCP777]

I'm the son's fiance. We've been together since 2006 before Alycia went missing. The son has told me a lot about what Mark did around the Ceres house and how things were living with him, at first I thought the son was exaggerating a bit. But then I lived with Mark for 2 1/2 months in Shelly's LA apartment and I realized the son hadn't been lying about Mark. So my fiance and I left LA without Mark knowing so we could get away from him... Mark then proceeded to try and get us arrested by spreading bs about how we stole things from him. *shakes head* Only real reason (I think) he didn't want us 'free' was because we witnessed a lot of things like the 17 yr old girlfriend he got pregnant, meth, etc.
Sorry I didn't mean to ramble on, I got carried away. But yes I know the son very well.



It's a good thing you did get away. So as far as the meth , was Mark more or less just a user or was he manufacturing and dealing before the LA apartment? Do you know if he offered dope to Alycia? Do you know if she was using? I'm not trying to get too personal here, but I'm a recovered meth addict and I'm familiar with that world....

[you_wish]

It's a good thing you did get away. So as far as the meth , was Mark more or less just a user or was he manufacturing and dealing before the LA apartment? Do you know if he offered dope to Alycia? Do you know if she was using? I'm not trying to get too personal here, but I'm a recovered meth addict and I'm familiar with that world....

Mark was a user and manufacturer (I'm sure he dealed as well), not only in LA but in the Ceres house. Whether he offered any to Alycia I don't know for sure, but I don't think he did. My fiance saw all the chemicals lying around the house but never thought anything of it because Mark always had stuff like that lying around all the time. Later on my fiance put 2 and 2 together.
There was an incident with Mark, the 17 yr old, and meth. It involved the police and a hospital as well. I won't indulge because I don't want to say too much, but Mark ended up leaving the hospital before the police could catch back up with him... he was supposed to of been questioned about the girl and meth that Mark had dumped on her. Long story... *sigh*

[Maelstrom5]

Thank you Maelstrom, I appreciate everything you said.

It is sad that my fiance and Alycia were only pawns, but 'pawn' is a good way to describe it. I really had hoped I could met Alycia, I had heard so much about her from her brother.
Mark will get what's coming to him in time. Though I hope it's sooner rather than later for Alycia's mother and brother's sakes.

No, Thank You.

My interest in missing children goes back to when I was a young child. Way back then a young girl, Connie Smith 10, went missing in Salisbury, Connecticut; just down the road from where my cousins lived.

The first real mystery I learning about as a child was about a missing WWII bomber called the “Lady Be Good”.

The story was fictionalize and became an early Rod Serling Twilight Zone episode called “King 9 does not answer”.

One of my dads best childhood friends, one of the “New Rochelle church street rats” was the radio man on the real B-24 called the “Lady Be Good.”

Connie was the second, and my cousins and I puzzled over her disappearance as only boys on the cusp of puberty can, with wonder, dread, and longing.

It did not matter to us that if Connie was still alive she would have been much older then us, she was to us, the girl in her picture; a girl our age.

I am 60 now and Connie has never been found. She still remains that young girl whose picture I first saw in the spring of 1959, when I was 10.

Connie Smith missing:
www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_connie.html

[you_wish]

Just wanted to update everyone. The police now know more about what actually happened to Alycia. There are more details of her COD but they are not being released to the public at this time. I just wanted you all to know this case should be coming to a close and justice should be served soon. RIP Alycia

[PCP777]

Just wanted to update everyone. The police now know more about what actually happened to Alycia. There are more details of her COD but they are not being released to the public at this time. I just wanted you all to know this case should be coming to a close and justice should be served soon. RIP Alycia


May justice be served. RIP Alycia.

[darcie]

Thanks for the news you_wish.....

Hoping justice for Alycia is soon! I also hope they get to bury her respectfully, as she so deserves!

[MystryPhobia]

Just wanted to update everyone. The police now know more about what actually happened to Alycia. There are more details of her COD but they are not being released to the public at this time. I just wanted you all to know this case should be coming to a close and justice should be served soon. RIP AlyciaThank you so much you_wish for updating us. I have been looking daily and haven't seen anything on the web. I hoped it wouldn't go quiet without us ever hearing anything more.

I am sorry for your fiance and his loss. I hope that with her finally being laid to rest and hopefully justice being served.. he will find some peace. I feel so badly for him and her mother.

Is Alycia's mother also your fiance's mother.. just out of curiosity.. if you feel comfortable answering.

I know that you didn't mention this but I wonder too (I am full of questions, aren't I? Sorry!).. is an arrest coming soon too? Do you know?

[you_wish]

Thank you so much you_wish for updating us. I have been looking daily and haven't seen anything on the web. I hoped it wouldn't go quiet without us ever hearing anything more.

I am sorry for your fiance and his loss. I hope that with her finally being laid to rest and hopefully justice being served.. he will find some peace. I feel so badly for him and her mother.

Is Alycia's mother also your fiance's mother.. just out of curiosity.. if you feel comfortable answering.

I know that you didn't mention this but I wonder too (I am full of questions, aren't I? Sorry!).. is an arrest coming soon too? Do you know?

Yes Alycia and my fiance (now husband:smile:) have the same mother. As for an arrest, I was told one should be coming soon. The arrest could be for several different crimes though... there's pages and pages of criminal activity against Mark. He doesn't have a way to talk himself out of things this time. Thank god

[BevAnn]

Congrats you wish!!! I hope you and your dh have a wonderful long life together!!

I am SO glad to hear that not only will Mark be put away for a long time (hopefully) but that you are getting the answers your family so deserves!

RIP dear Alycia

[juliekan]

Yes Alycia and my fiance (now husband:smile:) have the same mother. As for an arrest, I was told one should be coming soon. The arrest could be for several different crimes though... there's pages and pages of criminal activity against Mark. He doesn't have a way to talk himself out of things this time. Thank god

:thumbsup: glad to hear this

and best of luck to you and your :loveeyes:fiance

[darcie]

http://forums.mercurynews.com/topic/dept-76-judge-re-murder-case-alycia-mesiti-allen

DEPT 76 JUDGE, RE MURDER CASE ALYCIA MESITI ALLEN

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The above is a post on a message board. Trying to keep a finger on this case, but just not much information out there.
I am kinda confused as to what *other* case is being referenced, but thought I would add it to our board.


Rest in peace Alycia, you are not forgotten.

[MystryPhobia]

http://forums.mercurynews.com/topic/dept-76-judge-re-murder-case-alycia-mesiti-allen

DEPT 76 JUDGE, RE MURDER CASE ALYCIA MESITI ALLEN

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The above is a post on a message board. Trying to keep a finger on this case, but just not much information out there.
I am kinda confused as to what *other* case is being referenced, but thought I would add it to our board.


Rest in peace Alycia, you are not forgotten.


Hi Darcie,

Thanks for finding that. I agree that there isn't much out there about the case, lately, is there?

I do believe that an arrest is imminent... at least I pray it is. I also hope that something is done on the family court level to protect people from those that continue to committ domestic violence.. even using the courts to do it for them. That is sad. They should be there to protect them and not to victimize further but some people are extremely good at manipulating. I wonder if there is a way to track cases like this.. by judge and see if judges are acting prejudice towards the female in cases. I wonder if there is anything that can even be done if that is happening.

I found this also.. Just a small snippet about Alycia.. but at least it is something until we hear of an arrest.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/opinion/ci_12495892

[juliekan]

MystryPhobia,

Isn't that a great letter...I'm glad to see that Alycia's life and death has not gone unnoticed.

[MystryPhobia]

OMG.. I AM SO LIVID RIGHT NOW! I can not believe this man got this girl and was able to molest her, drug her and KILL HER.. all while those that placed her with this monster went on with their lives. AND.. that detective that retired.. that did nothing to help find Alycia and just believed Mark.. well.. like I said, right now I am livid and I can think of SO MANY people in this little girls life that let her down. Starting with those that were suppose to love her the most. What a sick, disgusting man!

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12556022

God be with you Alycia! I am soo sorry!:crying:

[worried]

OMG.. I AM SO LIVID RIGHT NOW! I can not believe this man got this girl and was able to molest her, drug her and KILL HER.. all while those that placed her with this monster went on with their lives. AND.. that detective that retired.. that did nothing to help find Alycia and just believed Mark.. well.. like I said, right now I am livid and I can think of SO MANY people in this little girls life that let her down. Starting with those that were suppose to love her the most. What a sick, disgusting man!

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12556022

God be with you Alycia! I am soo sorry!:crying:

I am with you! This is so horrific and tragic! Perhaps judges should be made to take psyche 101. Just because someone fights for custody of a child, does not automatically make them a concerned parent. After reading Mesiti's criminal file, it should have been obvious that this was nothing more than his wanting to control her. He also did not want the mother to have her as then she may have been privy to the activities going on in his home. I am so glad that this article came out! All of those involved who turned the other way, ie: the judge, the detective, child protective services, should be called on this post haste. I hope Alycia's mother drags them all to court and through the mud. Maybe then, just maybe, something will change!

[you_wish]

I agree with you Mystry and Worried. Mark shouldn't of had the chance to torture Alycia the way he did, it was wrong on so many levels but the authorities seemed to side with all his stories. It truly is heart-breaking. :sad:
RIP Alycia. justice will be served.

[BevAnn]

oh my goodness. It's just so heart breaking. :sad:

I guess we now know what happened, probably - and I think some of us on here and speculated correctly - he OD'd her, probably accidentally.

I have to say, I honestly didn't see him molesting her though. I am kind of shocked at that. Wonder how they know this NOW? It's just so unneccesary! Our legal system dropped the ball in a BIG way on this one. :cursing:

[juliekan]

oh my goodness. It's just so heart breaking. :sad:

I guess we now know what happened, probably - and I think some of us on here and speculated correctly - he OD'd her, probably accidentally.

I have to say, I honestly didn't see him molesting her though. I am kind of shocked at that. Wonder how they know this NOW? It's just so unneccesary! Our legal system dropped the ball in a BIG way on this one. :cursing:

from the article: Shipley said Alycia was killed on Aug. 16, 2006, and molested the previous year, from April 1 through Sept. 30, 2005.

my guess would be that there was someone involved with Mark during the time period April-Sept 2005 that has corroborated that statement. Alycia did not disappear until 2006, and that does not mean that the molestation had stopped after Sept 2005, just that there is not anyone to testify to that? Or he moved on to his girlfriend's 12yo daughter instead of Alycia?

[you_wish]

from the article: Shipley said Alycia was killed on Aug. 16, 2006, and molested the previous year, from April 1 through Sept. 30, 2005.

my guess would be that there was someone involved with Mark during the time period April-Sept 2005 that has corroborated that statement. Alycia did not disappear until 2006, and that does not mean that the molestation had stopped after Sept 2005, just that there is not anyone to testify to that? Or he moved on to his girlfriend's 12yo daughter instead of Alycia?

The April-Sept dates seem a little off to me, I'd have to talk to my husband to figure that out, but it could of been a typo in the article. I'm not sure

[juliekan]

The April-Sept dates seem a little off to me, I'd have to talk to my husband to figure that out, but it could of been a typo in the article. I'm not sure

thank you. i keep staring at that part of the article trying to figure that out.

i'm like BevAnn, i was not expecting to hear of molestation in this case:sad:. at least Alycia cannot be hurt anymore, now.

[MystryPhobia]

oh my goodness. It's just so heart breaking. :sad:

I guess we now know what happened, probably - and I think some of us on here and speculated correctly - he OD'd her, probably accidentally.

I have to say, I honestly didn't see him molesting her though. I am kind of shocked at that. Wonder how they know this NOW? It's just so unneccesary! Our legal system dropped the ball in a BIG way on this one. :cursing:

For some reason I am not, at all, surprised to hear that he molested her. This man was an abuser. This man is a master manipulator. This man is a narcissistic to the 100th power. I have a feeling that he is one of those people that rules by fear and intimidation to those that he "loves". That he feels that if you are his, then he can do anything he wants to you. Molestation isn't about sex.. it is about power and control. I PRAY that girlfriends daughter was not also his victim but the truth is.. whether she ever talks or not.. she most likely was.

Alycia's mother and the children were hiding out in a battered womens shelter.. at some point during the whole proceedings and he was still able to manipulate the system to his favor. I thought that laws had changed over the last 20 years in regard to domestic violence and child abuse but Alycia proves that we have only really come so far in it. That if you find the right attorney, the right judge and you have beaten the mother down enough that she is unable to fight the same way, you will win. Then you just have to find a sympathetic detective when you molest, drug and kill your child.. and you can walk away.

I do have to ask.. and sorry for those that are her family members that will be reading about it again.. but HOW did they know of the " lewd and lascivious acts with a child under 14, penetration by a foreign object, and giving the victim drugs or alcohol to prevent resistance during those acts".. unless someone is TALKING?? From what I understand they found her bones. It would be hard to tell that from them, wouldn't it?? That would mean that someone KNEW what happened to Alycia.. what was happening to her.. and did nothing. This same person is probably the one that told LE to look at that home and was the "tip"... but why now.. why didn't they come forwards long ago? That is soo very sad to me.

AND.. the poster truth_hurts.. WTH were they trying to do here and over at MDS??

[MystryPhobia]

http://kliv.com/Missing-San-Jose-teen-found-dead-in-father-s-backy/4573019

[BevAnn]

Well, mystery, I know, on the one hand it DOESN'T surprise me...but since I hadn't gotten an feeling of that before, I just didn't think it had been occurring.

But I'm like you - how after all this time, are the LE able to charge him with crimes (foreign object) that require evidence, that I would think after 3 years, her body wouldn't have been able to provide? I agree, maybe someone IS talking....and yes, I bet he did indeed move onto the gf's 12 yo daughter! :cursing:

I wish this crime had taken place in Texas - to insure a swift end to this scum's life.

[Maelstrom5]

MystryPhobia,

One reason someone may have known what was happing but did not tell LE back then could be because the tipster was still a child in 2004-2006, but is now an adult.

Mark had proven time and again that he could work the system and get the courts and LE to believe him. A child would have felt no one would believe him/her but as an adult they finally felt confident enough to tell LE what they knew.

Another reason may have been because Alycia asked them not to tell. When my wife was molested she told only her best friend, she told her not to say anything because she did not want anyone to find out what was done to her. The friend did tell a guidance councilor though; both girls were brought into a room, then told they were lying and if they did not stop they would be arrested. No one believed them, not even for a second.

[you_wish]

Mystry,
It does look like someone may have witnessed some of the crimes Mark committed on Alycia and that they have felt the need to finally come forth. I'm not sure who it would be, but if someone has talked then they should of done it before... then maybe Alycia's life could of been spared. It's hard to believe that - "lewd and lascivious acts with a child under 14, penetration by a foreign object, and giving the victim drugs or alcohol to prevent resistance during those acts" - could be discovered by her remains, but it's hard to tell how much was discovered from the remains and how much was said by a possible witness.
This is all very confusing.

Maelstrom,
The person you thought (if I understood correctly) gave the tip, they didn't. Just thought I'd let you know that.

[Maelstrom5]

Mystry,
It does look like someone may have witnessed some of the crimes Mark committed on Alycia and that they have felt the need to finally come forth. I'm not sure who it would be, but if someone has talked then they should of done it before... then maybe Alycia's life could of been spared. It's hard to believe that - "lewd and lascivious acts with a child under 14, penetration by a foreign object, and giving the victim drugs or alcohol to prevent resistance during those acts" - could be discovered by her remains, but it's hard to tell how much was discovered from the remains and how much was said by a possible witness.
This is all very confusing.

Maelstrom,
The person you thought (if I understood correctly) gave the tip, they didn't. Just thought I'd let you know that.

TY You Wish,

That being the case, it could have been a friend of Alysia or possibly Mark's GF because she found out he was molesting her daughter or because she is cutting a deal.

[BevAnn]

I'm leaning towards the gf spilling the beans.

But I still wonder WHO called in the original tip, that started all this. :huh:

[MystryPhobia]

TY You Wish,

That being the case, it could have been a friend of Alysia or possibly Mark's GF because she found out he was molesting her daughter or because she is cutting a deal.


Ah.. yes, you could be right. I have thought of that also.

The only thing that doesn't make sense, in that regard, is that if the GF was the one that gave the information to lead them to take a cadaver dog to the home... then wouldn't she have thought that they would search her and Mark's apartment and find all of the drug stuff? Unless.. she is now talking and the tipster was someone else.. which is very possible.

If she knew and did nothing... :cursing: and then kept her daughter around that man..:cursing::cursing:

[MystryPhobia]

Mystry,
It does look like someone may have witnessed some of the crimes Mark committed on Alycia and that they have felt the need to finally come forth. I'm not sure who it would be, but if someone has talked then they should of done it before... then maybe Alycia's life could of been spared. It's hard to believe that - "lewd and lascivious acts with a child under 14, penetration by a foreign object, and giving the victim drugs or alcohol to prevent resistance during those acts" - could be discovered by her remains, but it's hard to tell how much was discovered from the remains and how much was said by a possible witness.
This is all very confusing.

Maelstrom,
The person you thought (if I understood correctly) gave the tip, they didn't. Just thought I'd let you know that.

That makes me sick to my stomach you_wish.. seriously! I can't believe the secrets that some will go to... but, I have to wonder.. if that person was so scared (and obviously rightfully so) of Mark that they didn't say anything out of fear! Very sad and very confusing!

[BevAnn]

Ah.. yes, you could be right. I have thought of that also.

The only thing that doesn't make sense, in that regard, is that if the GF was the one that gave the information to lead them to take a cadaver dog to the home... then wouldn't she have thought that they would search her and Mark's apartment and find all of the drug stuff? Unless.. she is now talking and the tipster was someone else.. which is very possible.

If she knew and did nothing... :cursing: and then kept her daughter around that man..:cursing::cursing:


Mystery, that's the exact same thought process I went through! I thought, well why would gf tattle, knowing it'd bring cops to their door?

That's why I think someone gave the original tip - after Alycia was found and cops arrested the dad and gf, I think gf started blabbing.

[you_wish]

If Shelly (the gf) called the tip in then she finally smartened up a bit. Before my husband and I fled from LA, Shelly had told us she'd always stick by Mark's side and be there for him. This blew my mind... Mark was impregnating a 17 yr old girl in Shelly's apartment... and Shelly knew! But she did nothing except take care of Mark AND the 17 yr old. It's messed up.
Back to my point... if she was the one to call it then she must of come back to reality and realized how much Mark had screwed up her life and her daughter's life.
Also one of Alycia's friend's could of stepped up. There are so many possibilities. I don't know how much to believe of what I've been told.

[PCP777]

If Shelly (the gf) called the tip in then she finally smartened up a bit. Before my husband and I fled from LA, Shelly had told us she'd always stick by Mark's side and be there for him. This blew my mind... Mark was impregnating a 17 yr old girl in Shelly's apartment... and Shelly knew! But she did nothing except take care of Mark AND the 17 yr old. It's messed up.
Back to my point... if she was the one to call it then she must of come back to reality and realized how much Mark had screwed up her life and her daughter's life.
Also one of Alycia's friend's could of stepped up. There are so many possibilities. I don't know how much to believe of what I've been told.


Maybe whoever filled in the blanks for the police off was on drugs at the time all this was going down, maybe they were supplied by Mark or even dealing with him. I know for a fact that meth is VERY numbing...it changes the way you look at everything eventually. Maybe, for fear of being arrested, whoever talked to the LE had to get right first, or maybe after they got right, realized what a horror they had seen and couldn't live with the guilt.

OR

Maybe they simply got popped and rolled on him. That actually would seem more likely. If his GF in LA (Shelly?) was looking down the barrel of a felony manufacturing charge with that much dope and manufacturing material she might have just decided to save herself. She was in the meth house in LA right? Did she spend some time in jail or is she still there? Has she been charged? If she doesn't get charged or somehow walks away from this, I'm sure she cut a deal.


I'm just glad this ******* has been charged, regardless of how it went down.

[you_wish]

Maybe whoever filled in the blanks for the police off was on drugs at the time all this was going down, maybe they were supplied by Mark or even dealing with him. I know for a fact that meth is VERY numbing...it changes the way you look at everything eventually. Maybe, for fear of being arrested, whoever talked to the LE had to get right first, or maybe after they got right, realized what a horror they had seen and couldn't live with the guilt.

OR

Maybe they simply got popped and rolled on him. That actually would seem more likely. If his GF in LA (Shelly?) was looking down the barrel of a felony manufacturing charge with that much dope and manufacturing material she might have just decided to save herself. She was in the meth house in LA right? Did she spend some time in jail or is she still there? Has she been charged? If she doesn't get charged or somehow walks away from this, I'm sure she cut a deal.


I'm just glad this ******* has been charged, regardless of how it went down.

Yeah Shelly was her apartment when Mark had his meth lab set up. She was arrested the same day he was and charged for the lab and endangerment to her daughter who was also staying in the apartment. A couple days late Shelly made her $500,000 bail and was released because she wasn't considered a "flight risk".

[PCP777]

Yeah Shelly was her apartment when Mark had his meth lab set up. She was arrested the same day he was and charged for the lab and endangerment to her daughter who was also staying in the apartment. A couple days late Shelly made her $500,000 bail and was released because she wasn't considered a "flight risk".


You see that makes sense. Now that she (hopefully) has had a chance to sober up, she has probably come to her senses, realized what a poor parent she's been and cut a deal with the Police on that huge manufacturing charge. I can just hear the detective "We don't care about the drugs, we just want the killer..." first 48 style.

[you_wish]

You see that makes sense. Now that she (hopefully) has had a chance to sober up, she has probably come to her senses, realized what a poor parent she's been and cut a deal with the Police on that huge manufacturing charge. I can just hear the detective "We don't care about the drugs, we just want the killer..." first 48 style.

It is a good possibility that she did rat Mark out in order to try and piece her life back together. Who knows.

[BevAnn]

You see that makes sense. Now that she (hopefully) has had a chance to sober up, she has probably come to her senses, realized what a poor parent she's been and cut a deal with the Police on that huge manufacturing charge. I can just hear the detective "We don't care about the drugs, we just want the killer..." first 48 style.

ok, I had to laugh at the First 48 reference! :biggrin:

I got a dollar says this is exactly what happened. HOPFEULLY this Shelly, will learn a lesson from all this and take better care of herself and her daughter! :glare:

[darcie]

Rest in peace Alycia......

I hate that she had to go through everything alone. I have no words to describe her so-called father. Truthfully I am at a loss as to what to say about any of it. I, too agree that the g/f probably started spilling her guts after the meth arrest. I wish a plea deal wouldn't play a part. She doesn't deserve it. Anyone that continues to let a child be molested should be tried as hard as the perpertrator.

I can't help but wonder by some of the things that were said on this board (and now deleted), adults KNEW she was being molested...yet no one helped her.

It makes me sick.

I can't find sympathy.

:mad:

[juliekan]

yeah...where DID those posts go??

[you_wish]

If you're talking about truth_hurts posts she deleted her profile and posts.

[BevAnn]

SHE did, or the moderator here, Cold Water, did?

[you_wish]

I think she did, but I can't be 100% sure.

[you_wish]

Here: http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=24275;sa=showPosts
You'll find basically the same posts that were on this forum. She wrote all the same stuff on the MDS site.

[PCP777]

I think she did, but I can't be 100% sure.

Many of her "gems of wisdom" can still be found in quotes on the MDS thread for Alycia. Looks like she probably tried to "clean up" there as well.

http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=16508.0

[darcie]

I think she did, but I can't be 100% sure.

I dunno, but I don't think you can delete posts AFTER the fact. There is a time frame (mere minutes). She couldn't have come in and deleted things days later is what I am trying to say.

MOO

[juliekan]

darcie,
IIRC, you can pm CW and ask for your posts to be deleted?

[darcie]

Mod Bee article

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/739507.html

[BevAnn]

From darcie's ModBee link...

"Mesiti will not face the death penalty because he is not charged with a special circumstance -- such as murder for financial gain, lying in wait or killing a witness to a crime -- in which capital punishment is possible.

Rape in the course of a murder is a death penalty offense, but the complaint alleges that the sex crimes occurred more than a year before Alycia's death."

I can not even BEGIN to tell you, how pissed off the bolder part makes me!!! :cursing: oh so, molesting, drugging, starving, abusing are not "special" circumstance??!!? Oh, I am livid. If ANYone EVER deserved the death penalty, it's that piece of $^%@!!!

[juliekan]

Mod Bee article

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/739507.html

Stanislaus County added $2 million to his $205,000 bail, which is comforting since Shelley made $500,000 bail and was released from jail.

Shelley is still a POI. And singin' like a bird, I bet.

[juliekan]

From darcie's ModBee link...

"Mesiti will not face the death penalty because he is not charged with a special circumstance -- such as murder for financial gain, lying in wait or killing a witness to a crime -- in which capital punishment is possible.

Rape in the course of a murder is a death penalty offense, but the complaint alleges that the sex crimes occurred more than a year before Alycia's death."

I can not even BEGIN to tell you, how pissed off the bolder part makes me!!! :cursing: oh so, molesting, drugging, starving, abusing are not "special" circumstance??!!? Oh, I am livid. If ANYone EVER deserved the death penalty, it's that piece of $^%@!!!

I guess witnessing the whole meth lab thing is not "witness to a crime"?

[darcie]

Copy of the Criminal Complaint filed.

http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2009/06/10/15/mesiti.source.prod_affiliate.11.pdf

[darcie]

darcie,
IIRC, you can pm CW and ask for your posts to be deleted?

That's a good point. Maybe that is what she did. Forgot about that! Thanks for the heads up....

[darcie]

Ok....have i just missed this part or what?

*snipped*
41-year-old Mark Mesiti is facing charges he starved his daughter, molested her and ultimately killed her.

http://kliv.com/Missing-San-Jose-teen-found-dead-in-father-s-backy/4573019
-----

He STARVED? her to death.

i find it odd because evidently they DO know how she died, they are just not reporting it. Or was this an intentional leak? or a big mistake on the paper's part?



Geeez.....there is no end. I am so sorry everyone and everything failed you Alycia.

[juliekan]

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12556022

And despite repeated reports of improper parenting — failure to enroll Alycia and her brother in school, not allowing the children to speak with their mother and allowing Alycia and her brother to go hungry — the girl was allowed to remain with Mesiti.

:(

[MystryPhobia]

From darcie's ModBee link...

"Mesiti will not face the death penalty because he is not charged with a special circumstance -- such as murder for financial gain, lying in wait or killing a witness to a crime -- in which capital punishment is possible.

Rape in the course of a murder is a death penalty offense, but the complaint alleges that the sex crimes occurred more than a year before Alycia's death."

I can not even BEGIN to tell you, how pissed off the bolder part makes me!!! :cursing: oh so, molesting, drugging, starving, abusing are not "special" circumstance??!!? Oh, I am livid. If ANYone EVER deserved the death penalty, it's that piece of $^%@!!!
I am TOTALLY with you BevAnn. This case is disgusting and this child deserved better and NO ONE helped her or her brother! That makes me so angry, in this day an age!

IMO all of those that looked the other way are ALL responsible for her death!

[MystryPhobia]

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12556022

And despite repeated reports of improper parenting — failure to enroll Alycia and her brother in school, not allowing the children to speak with their mother and allowing Alycia and her brother to go hungry — the girl was allowed to remain with Mesiti.

:(

Not to mention his extensive criminal background!

[MystryPhobia]

Ok....have i just missed this part or what?

*snipped*
41-year-old Mark Mesiti is facing charges he starved his daughter, molested her and ultimately killed her.

http://kliv.com/Missing-San-Jose-teen-found-dead-in-father-s-backy/4573019
-----

He STARVED? her to death.

i find it odd because evidently they DO know how she died, they are just not reporting it. Or was this an intentional leak? or a big mistake on the paper's part?



Geeez.....there is no end. I am so sorry everyone and everything failed you Alycia.


I would be surprised if she was starved to death but wouldn't put anything past that sick man. They also said that he drugged her and molested her.. all of that. I think that something went very wrong and perhaps the starving just made her less able to fight what ever it was. The whole thing is beyond words for me right now. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE HELPED THEM!

[BevAnn]

I wonder how old she is in the pictures that were on her missing posters? How old the pictures were - cuz she looks pretty healthy in the one pic I'm thinking of.

Another thing that strikes me as odd - the criminal complaint say he is charged with molesting her between a time span of a couple months (can't find the dates right off hand) but the end date of that time span was a couple months before she went missing.

So, he molested her during this couple month period, then just stopped? And left her alone? And how does LE know THAT particular time span?

[juliekan]

BevAnn: you_wish responded to my post by saying she wasn't sure if the dates were correct.

from the article: Shipley said Alycia was killed on Aug. 16, 2006, and molested the previous year, from April 1 through Sept. 30, 2005.

my guess would be that there was someone involved with Mark during the time period April-Sept 2005 that has corroborated that statement. Alycia did not disappear until 2006, and that does not mean that the molestation had stopped after Sept 2005, just that there is not anyone to testify to that? Or he moved on to his girlfriend's 12yo daughter instead of Alycia?

[you_wish]

BevAnn: you_wish responded to my post by saying she wasn't sure if the dates were correct.

I've thought about it some more and I guess those dates do make sense. I got confused with the time frames... there's been a lot going on and a lot to keep track of

[PCP777]

Ok....have i just missed this part or what?

*snipped*
41-year-old Mark Mesiti is facing charges he starved his daughter, molested her and ultimately killed her.

http://kliv.com/Missing-San-Jose-teen-found-dead-in-father-s-backy/4573019
-----

He STARVED? her to death.

i find it odd because evidently they DO know how she died, they are just not reporting it. Or was this an intentional leak? or a big mistake on the paper's part?



Geeez.....there is no end. I am so sorry everyone and everything failed you Alycia.

I don't think that's what they are saying, that he starved her to death. He did deprive her of food, but it doesn't state that was the COD. They are not listing it yet.

" 41-year-old Mark Mesiti is facing charges he starved his daughter, molested her and ultimately killed her."

"Stanislaus County coroner officials have conducted an autopsy on Alycia's body, but De Werk said forensics results are not yet available. He would not say what caused Alycia's death and referred all questions to the Stanislaus County district attorney's office.

Assistant District Attorney Carol Shipley would not reveal the cause of Alycia's death, fearing releasing that information would harm the investigation."


As an aside, when you're high on meth the last thing you want to do is eat. That's why people lose so much weight so quickly, it's very unhealthy.

http://media.modbee.com/smedia/2009/03/31/00/157-Mesiti_Welborn.standalone.prod_affiliate.11.JPG

[you_wish]

Just looking at that picture of Mark makes me sick. I can't believe I lived with that *******. :cursing: Ugh, and I can't believe Shelly backed him up all the time :cursing:

[worried]

Praying they put him in a jail cell with lots of other inmates. I hope that they do not isolate him. When the other inmates find out that he starved and molested and killed his own daughter, they will have some big fun with him!

[you_wish]

Very true. It may be good to have him surrounded by angry inmates. He'd deserve whatever happened.

[Leanne Weich]

Praying they put him in a jail cell with lots of other inmates. I hope that they do not isolate him. When the other inmates find out that he starved and molested and killed his own daughter, they will have some big fun with him!

Unfortunately, it is highly unlikely he'd be put in general population. Once he's incarcerated, he'll probably be put in segregation with people of his own ilk as it will be encumbent upon the State to ensure he is kept safe. JMHO.

[BevAnn]

The second link wouldn't work for me...

And the first link, doesn't seem to hold much relevance to this murder investigation, imho.

[darcie]

[QUOTE=MrMarmalade;13194465]This is thought-provoking..IMO

http://www.cerescourier.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=55877&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=2&S=1

http://caseindex.stanct.org:8080/CaseIndex/faces/displayResults.jsp

(Click the last case number. 1097829.)[/QUOTE

This is the case MrMarmalade is quoting for you all having trouble with the link.
Stanislaus County Superior Court
Case Index Search

Case Information
Case Number: 1097829
Case Caption: PEO VS ULRICH, GREGORY JOSEPH
Case Type: CRIMINAL
Date Filed: 2005-09-13
Case Status: CLOSED


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Party Information
ULRICH, GREGORY JOSEPH DEFENDANT 65360
Count Degree Code Description Outcome


1 Felony PC 311.1(A) SEND/SELL/ETC OBSCENE MATTER DEPICTING MINOR DIMISSED

2 Felony PC 647.6(A) ANNOYING AND MOLESTING A CHILD NOLO CONTENRE






--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Case Events
Event Date Event Type Event

2010-09-16 Status PURGE FILE

2008-09-16 Status CASE CLOSED

2006-04-24 Hearing PROBATION HEARING

2006-04-12 Hearing PROBATION HEARING

2006-04-07 Hearing SENTENCING

2006-03-24 Status CASE ROUTING

2006-02-27 Status CASE ROUTING

2005-09-16 Report PROBATION SENTENCED

2005-09-16 Report FINE SENT TO COLLECTIONS

2005-09-16 Report CASE DISPOSED

2005-09-16 Report CHANGE IN CHARGE SECTION

2005-09-16 Report SEARCH ORDER

2005-09-16 Report PROBATION ORDER & TERMS FORM PRINT

2005-09-16 Hearing PRETRIAL

2005-09-13 Hearing ARRAIGNMENT

2005-09-13 Status CASE INTAKE

2005-09-13 Report ASSIGNED JUDGE

2005-09-13 Status COMPLAINT FILED

2005-09-07 Report IN CUSTODY



-----I am intersted as to what you know about the two cases MrMarmalade?



.

[you_wish]

In my opinion MrMarmalade is truth_hurts under a different name.

[you_wish]

It's a strange coincidence that just last night truth_hurts felt the need to send me that exact Ceres Courier link through myspace. This leads me to believe that you are truth_hurts. Just my opinion.

[BevAnn]

I'd say it's pretty obvious who mrmarmalade is....new name, same agenda. :glare:

[PCP777]

So Ulrich was one of Mark's dope buddies and they rolled the bowl together and molested a 14 year old. Do you really think mark wasn't involved or didn't know what was going on? Maybe he pimped his daughter out to Ulrich....


maybe Ulrich has nothing to do with this case and this is a smoke screen. Did Ulrich hang at the Cere's house?

[PCP777]

Quite the contrary, actually. I prefer to keep a completely neutral standpoint on all cases until the court decides someone is guilty without a doubt. All I'm saying is, this Gregory Ulrich was convicted of molesting her, and now her father is being charged with the same thing..it's awful, really. RIP Alycia. :crying:



How would Ulrich have contact with Alycia with her father's complicity?

[PCP777]

Haven't got the slightest idea. I'm betting it all comes out when Mark Mesiti goes to court. I just think it's awful that Alycia had all this s**t happen to her.



I agree, here's my point, I'm of the opinion that Mark was deeply involved in her death. Meth can really bring out the worst in perverts, it amplifies sexual desire and numbs the sense of right and wrong. If Ulrich was involved it's because Mark let that happen.

Even worse, it sounds like he was involved as a participant.

I have a 15 year old step daughter and I'm not about to let her interface with some old lecherous sex offender, let alone do meth with her and liquor her up so that she's compliant.

Mark's behavior is absolutely disgusting and he completely failed Alycia as a father. Even if he was exonerated of the murder charge and the molestation charge, part of your duty as a parent is to keep dangerous pedophile adults away from your children. Clearly he failed here.

[you_wish]

Haven't got the slightest idea. I'm betting it all comes out when Mark Mesiti goes to court. I just think it's awful that Alycia had all this s**t happen to her.

I'll be honest, you don't have me convinced that you're someone else.

[you_wish]

I agree, here's my point, I'm of the opinion that Mark was deeply involved in her death. Meth can really bring out the worst in perverts, it amplifies sexual desire and numbs the sense of right and wrong. If Ulrich was involved it's because Mark let that happen.

Even worse, it sounds like he was involved as a participant.

I have a 15 year old step daughter and I'm not about to let her interface with some old lecherous sex offender, let alone do meth with her and liquor her up so that she's compliant.

Mark's behavior is absolutely disgusting and he completely failed Alycia as a father. Even if he was exonerated of the murder charge and the molestation charge, part of your duty as a parent is to keep dangerous pedophile adults away from your children. Clearly he failed here.

I totally agree with you, PCP.

[MystryPhobia]

Quite the contrary, actually. I prefer to keep a completely neutral standpoint on all cases until the court decides someone is guilty without a doubt. All I'm saying is, this Gregory Ulrich was convicted of molesting her, and now her father is being charged with the same thing..it's awful, really. RIP Alycia. :crying:

OMG OK.. back to the Ulrich thing. Nobody denied that he may have molested Alycia. The sick part is that her daddy probably brought the scumbag into her life and who know.. maybe even allowed him to do whatever he did.. if it involved Alycia.

Mark is disgusting! I'd put nothing past him and I think Ms. truth_hurts needs to seek professional help because she has been balderdashed and is being used. That is sad!

[MystryPhobia]

Here's the part I'm having trouble understanding. You_wish, maybe you can clarify, since you said you're married into the family and may be able to shed some light on it? So if Greg molested Alycia, and close to that time-frame Mark was apparently molesting her as well, then why did only Greg get convicted of it? Maybe I'm reading too far into it, but why would 2 men be molesting one girl, and only one man be put in jail for it instead of both? Why would both of them not be put in jail?

PCP777: I agree, meth is a terrible thing. I just hope that more detail comes out about both of these cases soon so that Alycia will find some peace. What I'm wondering is if anyone knows yet what her COD is? You_wish? Do you know?

Maybe it was because she was fearful of her father and with good cause since HE is NOW charged with her drugging her, molesting her and MURDERING HER! DUR! Maybe.. for whatever reason Mark wanted Greg gone and decided that Alycia should get rid of him. Who knows.

[MystryPhobia]

Yeah, I know nobody denied it. I've been reading this thread for a while now. All I am saying is, if some part of what truth_hurts said is true about Ulrich, and then the District Attorney is charging Mesiti with her murder and molestation too, then you have to admit, it's all rather twisted and crazy, no? Poor little girl.

YES.. twisted, crazy, disgusting, repulsive and overwhelmingly sad IMO.

[you_wish]

Here's the part I'm having trouble understanding. You_wish, maybe you can clarify, since you said you're married into the family and may be able to shed some light on it? So if Greg molested Alycia, and close to that time-frame Mark was apparently molesting her as well, then why did only Greg get convicted of it? Maybe I'm reading too far into it, but why would 2 men be molesting one girl, and only one man be put in jail for it instead of both? Why would both of them not be put in jail?

PCP777: I agree, meth is a terrible thing. I just hope that more detail comes out about both of these cases soon so that Alycia will find some peace. What I'm wondering is if anyone knows yet what her COD is? You_wish? Do you know?

I don't know why only Greg would have been convicted. Mark is very convincing, he's talked himself out of crimes before maybe he talked his way around that one as well... until his lies crumbled and he was discovered for what he truly is. A perverted monster.

[MystryPhobia]

I agree, here's my point, I'm of the opinion that Mark was deeply involved in her death. Meth can really bring out the worst in perverts, it amplifies sexual desire and numbs the sense of right and wrong. If Ulrich was involved it's because Mark let that happen.

Even worse, it sounds like he was involved as a participant.

I have a 15 year old step daughter and I'm not about to let her interface with some old lecherous sex offender, let alone do meth with her and liquor her up so that she's compliant.

Mark's behavior is absolutely disgusting and he completely failed Alycia as a father. Even if he was exonerated of the murder charge and the molestation charge, part of your duty as a parent is to keep dangerous pedophile adults away from your children. Clearly he failed here.

I agree one million percent.

I don't have daughters but do have sons and I am very careful about who comes around them. That is my job, as their parent, to protect them.

[PCP777]

Here's the part I'm having trouble understanding. You_wish, maybe you can clarify, since you said you're married into the family and may be able to shed some light on it? So if Greg molested Alycia, and close to that time-frame Mark was apparently molesting her as well, then why did only Greg get convicted of it? Maybe I'm reading too far into it, but why would 2 men be molesting one girl, and only one man be put in jail for it instead of both? Why would both of them not be put in jail?

PCP777: I agree, meth is a terrible thing. I just hope that more detail comes out about both of these cases soon so that Alycia will find some peace. What I'm wondering is if anyone knows yet what her COD is? You_wish? Do you know?


Hang on, Ulrich was convicted of molesting Alycia before and then was ALLOWED BACK IN THE HOME by Mark? How would he have contact with Alysia again? Please help us fill in the blanks here.....

Ceres Police Lt. Rick Collins confirmed that detectives have interviewed Gregory Joseph Ulrich, a 51-year-old Modesto man who served time in jail for molesting Alycia. He couldn't say if Ulrich was considered a suspect in the girl's death.

Police have only publicly stated that the prime suspect in the case is Mark Edward Mesiti, Alycia's father. Mesiti was arrested March 28 in Los Angeles on drug charges but has not been charged with his daughter's death. He remains behind bars on $500,000 bail.

Ulrich, who is known by Mark Mesiti, served a year in jail after being convicted of the molestation. He was released three days prior to Alycia's disappearance, a source told the Courier.

[you_wish]

But to talk himself out of it, wouldn't he have had to have been questioned about it originally? Why isn't there any record of it? Do you know who tipped the police off yet? Maybe they are the same person who tipped them that Mark molested Alycia? Forgive me if I ask a lot of questions, but after reading all the news articles there are still a hell of a lot of questions that have so far gone unanswered.

Maybe he was questioned, I don't know. It's just my opinion that if he had been questioned that he wiggled his way out of it.
As for who tipped the police off, even if I do know I wouldn't tell you. That information has not been released to the public so it is not an open topic.

[darcie]

All this molesting go on and no one does a da*n thing about it? Did she ever receive and counseling for this molestation? Did she even know that he was the bad guy not her? Did Alycia get ANY kind of help from anyone?

That poor poor girl. Her life was shattered into pieces before it even began.


Everyone failed her, and I do mean everyone!


Rest in peace Alycia, you deserved so much more!

[you_wish]

All this molesting go on and no one does a da*n thing about it? Did she ever receive and counseling for this molestation? Did she even know that he was the bad guy not her? Did Alycia get ANY kind of help from anyone?

That poor poor girl. Her life was shattered into pieces before it even began.


Everyone failed her, and I do mean everyone!


Rest in peace Alycia, you deserved so much more!

No, not everyone failed. Alycia's brother did not fail, he did what he could. When she disappeared he was not around but the second he found out she was missing he flew back to try and find her.
If her brother had been there he would have kept her save and protect her from Mark.

[PCP777]

No, not everyone failed. Alycia's brother did not fail, he did what he could. When she disappeared he was not around but the second he found out she was missing he flew back to try and find her.
If her brother had been there he would have kept her save and protect her from Mark.



it's hard for me to blame the mother either, although I'm not sure why she lost custody.

[darcie]

No, not everyone failed. Alycia's brother did not fail, he did what he could. When she disappeared he was not around but the second he found out she was missing he flew back to try and find her.
If her brother had been there he would have kept her save and protect her from Mark.

I'm sorry for offending you_wish. Sometimes I need to think before I speak. I meant no harm. I am sure your husband did what he could for Alycia, and I understand some things are beyond our control

I just hate what Alycia went through, and I just hate that she was put into a no win situation. I hate that her life was taken from her. I hate that her life at such a young age was filled with sexual abuse. I hate that DEATH seems to be the only thing that saved her.

I do not know enough about any of the characters to cast judgement. I shall try and refrain from doing so in the future. But nothing ticks me off more than to hear of a child being molested with *others* knowing, and NOTHING being done about it.

[you_wish]

I'm sorry for offending you_wish. Sometimes I need to think before I speak. I meant no harm. I am sure your husband did what he could for Alycia, and I understand some things are beyond our control

I just hate what Alycia went through, and I just hate that she was put into a no win situation. I hate that her life was taken from her. I hate that her life at such a young age was filled with sexual abuse. I hate that DEATH seems to be the only thing that saved her.

I do not know enough about any of the characters to cast judgement. I shall try and refrain from doing so in the future. But nothing ticks me off more than to hear of a child being molested with *others* knowing, and NOTHING being done about it.

It's alright. I just wanted you to know that someone did try to help. I hate to think about everything that happened to Alycia, it makes me sick, but I can only imagine the pain my husband must be feeling. This all should have never happened. RIP Alycia :sad:

[MystryPhobia]

it's hard for me to blame the mother either, although I'm not sure why she lost custody.

While I do not blame the mother for Alycia's death.. in the least. Mark is the one that needs to take the blame for that. I do think that.. because of her own issues.. she was not able to be the parent that Alycia deserved for her to be.. and to a great extent.. she did fail her. So, while I feel a great sense of compassion for what she went through at the hands of Mark.. I am troubled by some things I have seen and read from the mother.. I have to say. I pray that she gets some help for what she has endured at this man's hands.

[darcie]

While I do not blame the mother for Alycia's death.. in the least. Mark is the one that needs to take the blame for that. I do think that.. because of her own issues.. she was not able to be the parent that Alycia deserved for her to be.. and to a great extent.. she did fail her. So, while I feel a great sense of compassion for what she went through at the hands of Mark.. I am troubled by some things I have seen and read from the mother.. I have to say. I pray that she gets some help for what she has endured at this man's hands.

Good post, MP.

[PCP777]

Good post, MP.



Agreed. Apparently there were some other issues that resulted in her losing custody that we're not aware of.

[you_wish]

While I do not blame the mother for Alycia's death.. in the least. Mark is the one that needs to take the blame for that. I do think that.. because of her own issues.. she was not able to be the parent that Alycia deserved for her to be.. and to a great extent.. she did fail her. So, while I feel a great sense of compassion for what she went through at the hands of Mark.. I am troubled by some things I have seen and read from the mother.. I have to say. I pray that she gets some help for what she has endured at this man's hands.

Yes, this is a very good post. I am glad that you are very open-minded about everything.

[MystryPhobia]

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/739507.html

On the side of the article.. they give a timeline.

Now.. it says that Alycia went on 8/11 and DID spend that time with friends in San Jose.. then Mark and Shelly's (sp) story is that she called while there and said she was going camping but refused to say who she was going with.. according to the timeline.. this was on 8/13. Then on 8/15.. it says that Shelly reports her missing to LE.

The article states that investigators and the district attorney believe that Alycia was killed on or about 8/16. Do they believe that he reported her missing BEFORE he even killed her? And.. since they are charging him with 1st degree murder.. I have to assume that they believe that the INTENT to murder her WAS there and it wasn't just a accident of some kind. Did she say that she was going camping.. against his will and he went and found her with the intent to kill her.. knowing that he was going to do that.. did he report her missing before.. JUST IN CASE.. they searched the home for her?

Why is Shelly not charged in her murder.. since she HAD TO HAVE KNOWN what happened to her?

The information about him molesting Alycia HAD to come from someone. They know too much about the incident.. her being drugged and boozed up so that she was unable to resist.. the foreign object.. the timeline that was given for it was the year before she went missing.. perhaps the person didn't know of any instances AFTER that so they couldn't charge him for that. My question is.. if Ulrich really WAS convicted of what truth_hurts says he was.. and Alycia was drugged and boozed.. perhaps she didn't know EVERYONE that was molesting her and perhaps Ulrich IS TALKING about what happened?? There is still the possibility that Shelly or her daughter is talking.. but those are pretty specific things and if Shelly knew.. I again have to wonder why she isn't in custody for the same thing.

[MystryPhobia]

MESITI, MARK EDWARD DEFENDANT 153100
Count Degree Code Description Outcome


1 Felony PC 187(A) MURDER

2 Felony PC 288(A) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS W/CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

3 Felony PC 289(E) SEX PENETRATION:FOREIGN OBJECT/ETC:VICTIM DRUGGED/ETC

Found this there too.. unrelated to Alycia's case obviously..


WALKER, SHELLY L DEFENDANT 1094921



MESITI, MARK DEFENDANT 1094920



PRATT NAVARRO PRATT LLC PLAINTIFF 1094919





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Cause of Actions
Date Primary Cause Specific Cause

2007-06-12 SMALL CLAIM IN COUNTY



MESITI, MARK EDWARD DEFENDANT 153100
Count Degree Code Description Outcome


1 Misdemeanor VC 23152(A) DRIVING UNDER INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL/DRUGS DIMISSED

2 Misdemeanor VC 23152(B) DRIVING UNDER INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL/DRUGS GUILTY

3 Misdemeanor VC 12500(A) UNLAWFUL TO DRIVE UNLESS LICENSED DIMISSED






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Case Events
Event Date Event Type Event

2005-05-28 Status PURGE FILE

2000-05-31 Hearing PROBATION HEARING

2000-05-31 Status CASE REOPENED

2000-05-31 Report BENCH WARRANT ISSUED

1998-06-05 Status CASE CLOSED

1998-05-14 Report MUNI STAT PLEA

1998-05-14 Hearing PRETRIAL

1998-05-14 Report FINE SENT TO COLLECTIONS

1998-05-14 Report CASE DISPOSED

1998-05-14 Report FINE IMPOSED/PAID

1998-04-30 Hearing FURTHER PROCEEDINGS

1998-03-26 Hearing ARRAIGNMENT

1998-03-26 Report PROBATION ORDER & TERMS FORM PRINT

1998-03-26 Report CASE AGING STOPS

1998-03-03 Status COMPLAINT FILED

1998-02-19 Hearing ARRAIGNMENT

1998-01-20 Report NO COMPLAINT

1998-01-20 Report OWN RECOGNIZANCE

[you_wish]

Has anyone else noticed that Marmalade's posts and account has vanished? Just wondering. I thought it was interesting

[Leanne Weich]

Has anyone else noticed that Marmalade's posts and account has vanished? Just wondering. I thought it was interesting

I'm not surprised. Quite clearly she had an agenda.

[juliekan]

Has anyone else noticed that Marmalade's posts and account has vanished? Just wondering. I thought it was interesting

just like before

[you_wish]

just like before

That's what it looks like

[MrMarmalade]

That's what it looks like

All I came here for was the post I originally made. Didn't think that deleting my profile would link me to some other person whom you obviously have a problem with. Honestly, it seems kind of sad that this forum has turned into something other than what it was originally started for (or so I thought..?). I thought it was to pay respects to Alycia and discuss what happened to her. But apparently it's turned into a 3-ring circus where everyone gets their kicks out of picking away at people who have different viewpoints. I'm guessing anyone who posts here and then doesn't come back will be perceived as the enemy? Its very sad. I feel so very sorry for Alycia.

[juliekan]

I'm hoping for peace for Alycia, now that she is away from the people who abused and ultimately killed her. I'm hoping her abusers and her father who failed to protect her from evil are prosecuted and made to pay for what happened to her.

to MrM: why do you keep feeling the need to delete your posts?

[MrMarmalade]

I'm hoping for peace for Alycia, now that she is away from the people who abused and ultimately killed her. I'm hoping her abusers and her father who failed to protect her from evil are prosecuted and made to pay for what happened to her.

to MrM: why do you keep feeling the need to delete your posts?

I didn't realise closing my account would delete all posts. Nor did I honestly care. I just find a lot of stuff going on in this board rather childish and very disrespectful to Alycia and her family whom I'm sure are all grieving and very saddened by the situation. Not saying any names or pointing any fingers. That's just my opinion.

[MystryPhobia]

I didn't realise closing my account would delete all posts. Nor did I honestly care. I just find a lot of stuff going on in this board rather childish and very disrespectful to Alycia and her family whom I'm sure are all grieving and very saddened by the situation. Not saying any names or pointing any fingers. That's just my opinion.

You really need to be careful here. I have continued to email all of your posts to LE.. as I did your last profile. We are not ignorant. Your posts are clear and your intent is motivated.. that is clear. The mod of this board can very easily get your IP address and it can be linked back to the myspace that you have.. where you spew your immature hatred and contempt.. all in the name of loving Alycia.

If you truly loved her or cared about what happened to her then you would want justice for what happened to her. Mark has been charged with her murder.. as well as drugging and molesting her. If you are as close to this case as you appear to be then you know some of the evidence is beyond reprieve.

[lunchlady]

I haven't been following this case closely but what a sad situation. Did this girl ever have a good life, or was she always at the mercy of drug addicts and sexual exploitation?
Why do women who aren't willing or able to protect their children have children in the first place? I guess its part of their problem, that they can't take control of their lives for their own sake's or anyone else's. I wish all such women were on highly effective mandatory birth control. And I wish some of the creepy men they associate with weren't allowed to reproduce either.
I don't know what the mother's problems were, but if she was a drug addict also then this case illustrates the real tragedy of drug abuse in women. A mother is even more indispensable in a child's life than a father, in these days of government programs, and when the mother fails to protect her children there isn't always someone else to take up the slack.

[MrMarmalade]

You really need to be careful here. I have continued to email all of your posts to LE.. as I did your last profile. We are not ignorant. Your posts are clear and your intent is motivated.. that is clear. The mod of this board can very easily get your IP address and it can be linked back to the myspace that you have.. where you spew your immature hatred and contempt.. all in the name of loving Alycia.

If you truly loved her or cared about what happened to her then you would want justice for what happened to her. Mark has been charged with her murder.. as well as drugging and molesting her. If you are as close to this case as you appear to be then you know some of the evidence is beyond reprieve.

I'm not exactly sure why you or anyone else thinks I'm truth_hurts. A little silly, if you ask me. And myspace? Don't have one. Check my email address if you'd like; you're welcome to. This is kind of proving my earlier point, no? When I said "But apparently it's turned into a 3-ring circus where everyone gets their kicks out of picking away at people who have different viewpoints. I'm guessing anyone who posts here and then doesn't come back will be perceived as the enemy?" I'm not even the person you were yelling at before (I watched that one with great interest, actually.) and yet you seem to think I am involved in this somehow?? It doesn't actually make sense to me.

[juliekan]

MrM

truth_hurts posted in May. you joined in June. truth_hurts also deleted all posts. how do you know anything about truth_hurts?

also, this is my last response to you. this is Alycia's thread, not yours, and i agree we should be discussing her case and not you.

[Casspian]

If you read this log you will see that there is an officer Ulrich still working for the Turlock PD. How far is Turlock from Ceres. Are you sure that they are related? http://www.ci.turlock.ca.us/citydepartments/policedepartment/activitylog/index.asp?date=4/6/2009

This may have already been answered, but these two towns are not far apart at all. And, in another message board it was stated that Ulrich the molestor had moved to Turlock or that is where he lives now.

[Casspian]

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/739507.html

On the side of the article.. they give a timeline.

Now.. it says that Alycia went on 8/11 and DID spend that time with friends in San Jose.. then Mark and Shelly's (sp) story is that she called while there and said she was going camping but refused to say who she was going with.. according to the timeline.. this was on 8/13. Then on 8/15.. it says that Shelly reports her missing to LE.

The article states that investigators and the district attorney believe that Alycia was killed on or about 8/16. Do they believe that he reported her missing BEFORE he even killed her? And.. since they are charging him with 1st degree murder.. I have to assume that they believe that the INTENT to murder her WAS there and it wasn't just a accident of some kind. Did she say that she was going camping.. against his will and he went and found her with the intent to kill her.. knowing that he was going to do that.. did he report her missing before.. JUST IN CASE.. they searched the home for her?

Why is Shelly not charged in her murder.. since she HAD TO HAVE KNOWN what happened to her?

The information about him molesting Alycia HAD to come from someone. They know too much about the incident.. her being drugged and boozed up so that she was unable to resist.. the foreign object.. the timeline that was given for it was the year before she went missing.. perhaps the person didn't know of any instances AFTER that so they couldn't charge him for that. My question is.. if Ulrich really WAS convicted of what truth_hurts says he was.. and Alycia was drugged and boozed.. perhaps she didn't know EVERYONE that was molesting her and perhaps Ulrich IS TALKING about what happened?? There is still the possibility that Shelly or her daughter is talking.. but those are pretty specific things and if Shelly knew.. I again have to wonder why she isn't in custody for the same thing.


Good points ... yes, it makes one wonder where the info came from.

[MrMarmalade]

MrM

truth_hurts posted in May. you joined in June. truth_hurts also deleted all posts. how do you know anything about truth_hurts?

also, this is my last response to you. this is Alycia's thread, not yours, and i agree we should be discussing her case and not you.

I've been watching this board (and most of the media coverage on this case) since mid-April. So yes, I saw truth_hurts's posts before they got deleted, but I chose not to comment. Didn't want to get involved with the arguing on here...for good reason, come to think of it.
I wonder if they've found anything new concerning Alycia...I haven't seen much of anything over the past few weeks.

[darcie]

I am the one that originally started this thread for Alycia. My intent was twofold.

1. Personal reasons (I have a thing about missing children)

2. Public awareness of Alycia's case.

I have watched the thread get sabotaged several times. The funny thing is, it is always family, or someone in the know doing the sabotaging.

99% of the posters for Alycia never knew her. Most of us never even knew her story. What we have learned has been through searches on the internet to try to bring light to this case. No child should be used and abused, and dumped like garbage. That includes Alycia. The adult figures in Alycia's life let her down (in my opinion), not the posters on the message board. Never have we disrespected Alycia and or her memory. We are the ones wanting her voice to be heard.

Rest in peace Alycia, rest in peace.
MOO

[MrMarmalade]

Darcie, I absolutely agree. When I was saying that what had been posted was disrespectful to Alycia, I was more leaning towards the people who knew her and were coming here to vent and argue pointlessly. (I say pointlessly, because what good does it do for Alycia to have dirty laundry thrown around and accusations slung across a board, all in the name of helping her?) I hope with all my heart that this case comes to an end soon so that Alycia will have the peace and justice she obviously deserves.

[MystryPhobia]

MrM

truth_hurts posted in May. you joined in June. truth_hurts also deleted all posts. how do you know anything about truth_hurts?

also, this is my last response to you. this is Alycia's thread, not yours, and i agree we should be discussing her case and not you.

ITA :beer: (wish they had a high five smilie)

[MystryPhobia]

I am the one that originally started this thread for Alycia. My intent was twofold.

1. Personal reasons (I have a thing about missing children)

2. Public awareness of Alycia's case.

I have watched the thread get sabotaged several times. The funny thing is, it is always family, or someone in the know doing the sabotaging.

99% of the posters for Alycia never knew her. Most of us never even knew her story. What we have learned has been through searches on the internet to try to bring light to this case. No child should be used and abused, and dumped like garbage. That includes Alycia. The adult figures in Alycia's life let her down (in my opinion), not the posters on the message board. Never have we disrespected Alycia and or her memory. We are the ones wanting her voice to be heard.

Rest in peace Alycia, rest in peace.
MOO

Amen Sister!

This thread is and should be about Alycia. Giving her a voice. Defending her.. since those responsible for doing that.. didn't. And now.. since she is unable to defend herself. Honoring that and her memory should be what we are here for. Not sticking up for the person responsible for the suffering that she endured during her short life.
:rose:Alycia:rose:

[you_wish]

I very much agree with you, Mystry and Darcie. I apologize for before if I strayed away from the meaning of this thread. I had gotten distracted and for that I am sorry.

[SunnySideUp]

Has any motive for her murder been released yet?

This case sickens me.

[PCP777]

Any updates on this case?

[you_wish]

Not that I know of. Things have been pretty quiet lately.

[darcie]

I agree with the things being quiet..I keep looking for something/anything new....but no such luck.

[MystryPhobia]

I agree with the things being quiet..I keep looking for something/anything new....but no such luck.


I check everyday for anything to do with Alycia or the man that she had to call father, and I haven't seen anything. And.. now this thread has been moved off of the missing person forum and I am afraid people will forget. I hope that they don't.

[mother3]

I was notified today Alycia is finally being sent home so she may be properly put to rest. I was also warned her Death Certificate was being filed and so then would be a part of public record. The details of her cause of death are succinct, but telling. The reasons why he killed her, and more of how, will only be made known once at trial. And for those that feel the need to judge, if you've known this type of grief, you know it's the killing kind (of spirit and soul).

[justmy2cents]

May she finally have the ability to rest in peace...