Friday , March 27, 2009

[joyzzce]

Thank God it's friday? - well i hope they'll find Haleigh today...


What if Ron Cummings is an undercover officer or informant? After so many drug charges all of them got dismissed? I am beginning to think that maybe he is ..what do you guys think?

Good Morning to All!!!:rose:

[joyzzce]

This is one of CNN's transcript that talks about Ronald and the "informant issues" - It was aired February 25, 2009. The transcript is quite interesting - it tells you some of the drug charges against Ron that was dropped.

http://www.studentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html

[rosieposett]

Thank God it's friday? - well i hope they'll find Haleigh today...


What if Ron Cummings is an undercover officer or informant? After so many drug charges all of them got dismissed? I am beginning to think that maybe he is ..what do you guys think?

Good Morning to All!!!:rose:

Good Morning, joyzzce, thanks for the new thread.

The thing is we haven't much info to go on, just our speculations and thoughts. LE is keeping us in the dark.

[rosieposett]

This is one of CNN's transcript that talks about Ronald and the "informant issues" - It was aired February 25, 2009. The transcript is quite interesting - it tells you some of the drug charges against Ron that was dropped.

http://www.studentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/25/ijvm.01.html

Is that why they call him "teflon Ron" because nothing sticks?

Maybe he is small potatoes and they have bigger fish to fry? jmo

[aproudmom]

Thank God it's friday? - well i hope they'll find Haleigh today...


What if Ron Cummings is an undercover officer or informant? After so many drug charges all of them got dismissed? I am beginning to think that maybe he is ..what do you guys think?

Good Morning to All!!!:rose:

Morning joyz
I wondered the same thing I heard it a week ago but just thought I would keep my mouth or fingers shut so I did not get attacked..lol..yeah like I care no anyway all things are possible these days that happens alot. jmo

[aproudmom]

Is that why they call him "teflon Ron" because nothing sticks?

Maybe he is small potatoes and they have bigger fish to fry? jmo

lol I luv ya rosie you gave me my laugh for the day:tonguewag:

[Mel]

i don't think Ron is an undercover officer, but a snitch/informant is not out of the realm of possibility, IMO

& that jaunt out in the woods, started by Ron's mother was a joke...."set up" fits, IMO
i agree with Themis; that woman needs to carry around a tissue

[aproudmom]

i don't think Ron is an undercover officer, but a snitch/informant is not out of the realm of possibility, IMO

& that jaunt out in the woods, started by Ron's mother was a joke...."set up" fits, IMO
i agree with Themis; that woman needs to carry around a tissue

I tried to watch the video but it said it was no longer available but yeah it was odd I was able to read about it.

[Themis]

I tried to watch the video but it said it was no longer available but yeah it was odd I was able to read about it.
Try it again. Are you clicking on the black arrow in the middle of the stilled photo to make the video play?

http://www.artharris.com/

Maybe there were too many people accessing the video when you gave it a try the first time.

Good luck.

[aproudmom]

Try it again. Are you clicking on the black arrow in the middle of the stilled photo to make the video play?

http://www.artharris.com/

Maybe there were too many people accessing the video when you gave it a try the first time.

Good luck.

Thanks I will try again Themis

[aproudmom]

Try it again. Are you clicking on the black arrow in the middle of the stilled photo to make the video play?

http://www.artharris.com/

Maybe there were too many people accessing the video when you gave it a try the first time.

Good luck.

Nope says video no longer available even when I go to you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_Eku0Vuww&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eartharris%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

[Themis]

Late last night Patricia posted the following on page 19, post 738. Sorry, do not know how to bring a post from a previous thread over to current thread so will copy and past it here.
...........................
Patricia wrote as a headline: This is quite puzzling...

http://www.artharris.com/

If you haven't watched this video yet it is really very interesting.
I saw it today on SM (I cruise through many forums to see what's up)and anyway folks there are noticing that TN is wearing flip flops. Wierd though dontcha think? Searching through the snake infested dirty ol woods in flip flops? I thought so too.

Apparently TN searched for four hours in the woods and she come across a mobile home that made her very upset. TN then spoke to Cobra, tearfully explaining to him what she had found. TN then takes Cobra over to this area and she then ditches Cobra and his crew, later claiming that she was scared off by a snake. (PS It is common knowledge that there are snakes in the area.)

OK I'm trying to wrap my brain around this...
TN spent Four (4) long hours....searching this area...full of dead leaves, wood, brush and live snakes....by herself....wearing flip flops....odd. Very very odd. JMO
Her pants are possibly light colored jeans. For sure they are light colored...and clean too.

What is wrong with this picture?
--------End of Patricia's post 738 from Thursday--------

As usual, I'm a day late and a dollar short (always running behind) so answered it with my own additional questions on page 20, post 785, as follows:

Themis responded with:

Reference post 738 by Patricia

I just clicked on the video and it worked for me.

I have even more questions:

1. Video shows Teresa Neves sitting in a red truck, one assumes the red pick-up is hers (crying once again)

2. The article states that William 'Cobra' Staubs rides around Satsuma in a black Chevy Tahoe

3. Then whose newish light colored (silver? grey?) pickup is parked right in front of that old travel trailer with its door open? About 48 seconds into the video.

4. Why is this woman traipsing around on foot, all alone, for 4 hours in an area where there are 40+ Registered Sex Offenders living?

5. The area immediately around that old travel trailer appears to me to be well cleared. Why, when no one answered Cobra's hollered hellos and knocking on the door did not Cobra immediately call for an LE inspection. Especially since Neves had seen something so scary she was crying yet again. (Neves' crying is getting on my nerves. She knows she is emotional and cries easily. Why doesn't she ever have tissues in her pocket?)

6. If she saw a large snake while she, Staubs + the cameraman were walking then why didn't she give a shouted warning instead of quietly disappearing?

The words phony and contrived spring to my mind.

[Themis]

Nope says video no longer available even when I go to you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL_Eku0Vuww&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eartharris%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded
Well, ProudMom, that is just strange. I must have accessed that video on the Harris website at least 5 times in the past 2 hours and each time it played. Being computer-challenged, I can't even venture a guess why it is not working for you. It's too bad, it is a weird video; my hinky meter hit 8.

[aproudmom]

Late last night Patricia posted the following on page 19, post 738. Sorry, do not know how to bring a post from a previous thread over to current thread so will copy and past it here.
...........................
Patricia wrote as a headline: This is quite puzzling...

http://www.artharris.com/

If you haven't watched this video yet it is really very interesting.
I saw it today on SM (I cruise through many forums to see what's up)and anyway folks there are noticing that TN is wearing flip flops. Wierd though dontcha think? Searching through the snake infested dirty ol woods in flip flops? I thought so too.

Apparently TN searched for four hours in the woods and she come across a mobile home that made her very upset. TN then spoke to Cobra, tearfully explaining to him what she had found. TN then takes Cobra over to this area and she then ditches Cobra and his crew, later claiming that she was scared off by a snake. (PS It is common knowledge that there are snakes in the area.)

OK I'm trying to wrap my brain around this...
TN spent Four (4) long hours....searching this area...full of dead leaves, wood, brush and live snakes....by herself....wearing flip flops....odd. Very very odd. JMO
Her pants are possibly light colored jeans. For sure they are light colored...and clean too.

What is wrong with this picture?
--------End of Patricia's post 738 from Thursday--------

As usual, I'm a day late and a dollar short (always running behind) so answered it with my own additional questions on page 20, post 785, as follows:

Themis responded with:

Reference post 738 by Patricia

I just clicked on the video and it worked for me.

I have even more questions:

1. Video shows Teresa Neves sitting in a red truck, one assumes the red pick-up is hers (crying once again)

2. The article states that William 'Cobra' Staubs rides around Satsuma in a black Chevy Tahoe

3. Then whose newish light colored (silver? grey?) pickup is parked right in front of that old travel trailer with its door open? About 48 seconds into the video.

4. Why is this woman traipsing around on foot, all alone, for 4 hours in an area where there are 40+ Registered Sex Offenders living?

5. The area immediately around that old travel trailer appears to me to be well cleared. Why, when no one answered Cobra's hollered hellos and knocking on the door did not Cobra immediately call for an LE inspection. Especially since Neves had seen something so scary she was crying yet again. (Neves' crying is getting on my nerves. She knows she is emotional and cries easily. Why doesn't she ever have tissues in her pocket?)

6. If she saw a large snake while she, Staubs + the cameraman were walking then why didn't she give a shouted warning instead of quietly disappearing?

The words phony and contrived spring to my mind.

Do you know when this happened? this is very odd for one if I was TN I would be afraid to find my grandchild in the woods and being alone this is very strange I hope LE talks to her about it..if they havent already..IMO

[aproudmom]

Well, ProudMom, that is just strange. I must have accessed that video on the Harris website at least 5 times in the past 2 hours and each time it played. Being computer-challenged, I can't even venture a guess why it is not working for you. It's too bad, it is a weird video; my hinky meter hit 8.

I know I have tried all night and usually when it says that it is removed I may just keep trying and hope it works cause I just tried again and it still wont..darn it..thanks

[Themis]

Do you know when this happened? this is very odd for one if I was TN I would be afraid to find my grandchild in the woods and being alone this is very strange I hope LE talks to her about it..if they havent already..IMO
I do not recall a date being attached to the video. I can only go by the date above the article text at the Harris website -- March 26. http://www.artharris.com/

It is very odd. Why is Teresa Neves searching on foot, alone, to begin with? Why isn't tough-guy son, Ronald, with Mother Teresa?

And once she is reduced to tears and fearful by what she sees in the area around that old travel trailer with a door open, why does she not call Law Enforcement? Why call William 'Cobra' Staubs instead of LE? She is crying on the phone when she calls Staubs. She is crying while on camera while Staubs is talking to her while standing at her pickup truck's door and she is seated inside.

Something is way off with the whole scenario.

[Peaches]

This morning I came to this bb to see if there was any new information on HaLeigh....................

and................

ALL I found was trashing those who love her. How sad!

Where is HaLeigh?????????????

[crymeariver2006]

Well, ProudMom, that is just strange. I must have accessed that video on the Harris website at least 5 times in the past 2 hours and each time it played. Being computer-challenged, I can't even venture a guess why it is not working for you. It's too bad, it is a weird video; my hinky meter hit 8.

Mine hit about a 7.

Lots wrong with that picture.

WHAT IF Haleigh had been in that trailer? And TN runs away because of a snake? And she had Cobra and the cameraman there? And they get no warning of a snake that's supposedly within feet of them?

Something very wrong there.

JMO

[aproudmom]

I do not recall a date being attached to the video. I can only go by the date above the article text at the Harris website -- March 26. http://www.artharris.com/

It is very odd. Why is Teresa Neves searching on foot, alone, to begin with? Why isn't tough-guy son, Ronald, with Mother Teresa?

And once she is reduced to tears and fearful by what she sees in the area around that old travel trailer with a door open, why does she not call Law Enforcement? Why call William 'Cobra' Staubs instead of LE? She is crying on the phone when she calls Staubs. She is crying while on camera while Staubs is talking to her while standing at her pickup truck's door and she is seated inside.

Something is way off with the whole scenario.

I was thinking the same thing I for one would never want to search for my grandchild in the woods alone in case I found her and second in flip flops not calling LE calling Cobra ummm something just is not right there. very very strange imo
wonder why this was not talked about last night on JVM or NG

[aproudmom]

This morning I came to this bb to see if there was any new information on HaLeigh....................

and................

ALL I found was trashing those who love her. How sad!

Where is HaLeigh?????????????

Trashing who?

[kitty1182]

Do you know when this happened? this is very odd for one if I was TN I would be afraid to find my grandchild in the woods and being alone this is very strange I hope LE talks to her about it..if they havent already..IMO

That sure was strange, wasn't it? :confused:

[aproudmom]

That sure was strange, wasn't it? :confused:

Yes it is not saying she did anything to her grandchild but just does not seem right I mean you would think she would have someone go with her for those 4 hours of searching like maybe RC or Misty or some other family member and then if she found something that upset her she should have called LE not Cobra. jmo

[Elle]

Respectfully snipped
The words phony and contrived spring to my mind.


I cannot comment too much on the very short selectively clipped video.
I do not think she is wearing flip flops. Her toes appeared to be covered. IMO.
There is no way to tell if her pants are at all dirty, the camera does not always pick up things, and being as it was a sunny dry day, the dirt, if she got any on her, could very well have been light and blended in. Plus, I see no reason why she would have had to get any on her, she was walking around, not crawling through mud.


What could she possibly have to gain by setting something like that up?

[Peaches]

Hopefully, today will the day HaLeigh is found! alive and well!

Also, my prayers are that those responsible of posting ugly things on HaLeigh's site are found and held accountable.

People saying untrue things about other posters should be checked out. I hope they find out who really made those post.

God bless HaLeigh and may He be with her................

Come home HaLeigh.............

[spageddy]

This morning I came to this bb to see if there was any new information on HaLeigh....................

and................

ALL I found was trashing those who love her. How sad!

Where is HaLeigh?????????????

IMO the answer to "Where is Haileigh?" lies with those closest to her. Any new information is going to come from "those who love her" It's sad, but true (IMO)- and scrutinizing the behavior of the folks close to Haileigh is not quite the same as "trashing" them. JMO

[SwineFeld]

In regard to that latest video on the Art Harris website.....WTH? I'm watching it and can't help to think that it reminds me of a bad Blair Witch Project film (well, that movie was bad enough but you know what I mean). It's all just so dang strange. Lot's a weirdness, bad acting and who knows what else. I just don't get what the heck is going on. Or, not going on. :shrug: I just don't know anymore.

[Elle]

respectfully snipped

God bless HaLeigh and may He be with her................

Come home HaLeigh.............

:rose:Haleigh

[Elle]

In regard to that latest video on the Art Harris website.....WTH? I'm watching it and can't help to think that it reminds me of a bad Blair Witch Project film (well, that movie was bad enough but you know what I mean). It's all just so dang strange. Lot's a weirdness, bad acting and who knows what else. I just don't get what the heck is going on. Or, not going on. :shrug: I just don't know anymore.

The way it was edited, that was the exact thought that went through my mind...The Blair Witch Project.

[SwineFeld]

It's just unreal! You got this big burly dude running around cussing and banging down doors. Teresa is running through the woods crying and talking about snakes. I mean, I feel more like I'm watching a bad movie in the making rather than a case of a missing girl. I've just never seen such nonsense go on in a case. Never have I seen anyone go out on their own to do a search like that. I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy?

The way it was edited, that was the exact thought that went through my mind...The Blair Witch Project.

[Themis]

I cannot comment too much on the very short selectively clipped video.
I do not think she is wearing flip flops. Her toes appeared to be covered. IMO.
There is no way to tell if her pants are at all dirty, the camera does not always pick up things, and being as it was a sunny dry day, the dirt, if she got any on her, could very well have been light and blended in. Plus, I see no reason why she would have had to get any on her, she was walking around, not crawling through mud.

What could she possibly have to gain by setting something like that up?
Elle, when you respectfully snipped my post #12 you snipped all my questions which have nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with your post.
Nowhere in my list of 6 questions did I mention flip flops nor her toes.
I made no observation about her pants being dirty or the weather. Crawling through mud? I never said any such thing.

Lastly, nowhere did I imply that she (Teresa Neves) set anything up.

Please use more care and thought when snipping my posts in the future. Thank you in advance.

[Elle]

It's just unreal! You got this big burly dude running around cussing and banging down doors. Teresa is running through the woods crying and talking about snakes. I mean, I feel more like I'm watching a bad movie in the making rather than a case of a missing girl. I've just never seen such nonsense go on in a case. Never have I seen anyone go out on their own to do a search like that. I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy?

I do not think you are crazy. I agree, I too think it is strange that she went alone. Maybe it was impulsive, maybe she just needed to get out and look somewhere? Maybe she had a feeling something was out there and needed to go look? I really have no idea, I just cannot see any benefit to her setting it up. Cobra and crew (and I do not mean Crystal and family) on the other hand have alot more to gain by these mini movies (IMO).

[SwineFeld]

I say it's fine if they want to go search. One or 100 of them. That's what they should and need to be doing is searching. It's the posting of these strange video clips that doesn't sit well with me. It makes them look bad, like fools, IMO. Or at least with the way they are doing it.

I do not think you are crazy. I agree, I too think it is strange that she went alone. Maybe it was impulsive, maybe she just needed to get out and look somewhere? Maybe she had a feeling something was out there and needed to go look? I really have no idea, I just cannot see any benefit to her setting it up. Cobra and crew (and I do not mean Crystal and family) on the other hand have alot more to gain by these mini movies (IMO).

[Elle]

Elle, when you respectfully snipped my post #12 you snipped all my questions which have nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with your post.
Nowhere in my list of 6 questions did I mention flip flops nor her toes.
I made no observation about her pants being dirty or the weather. Crawling through mud? I never said any such thing.

Lastly, nowhere did I imply that she (Teresa Neves) set anything up.

Please use more care and thought when snipping my posts in the future. Thank you in advance.

I apologize. No harm was intended. My response should have been attributed to a different poster. I see that now having gone back and reread your post. I do try to be careful and thoughtful, I made a mistake.

[Pat]

I'm confused.

The grandmother is out looking...how many have criticized Cindy A. for not doing it?

We heard Cobra had been out searching with her a week ago. Now this video shows up where he plants suspicion in everyone's mind?

He was hired by Crystal's attorney, in spite of his protests to the contrary. The information about the relationship between the two of them has been provided and those following the case have seen it. Crystal's public allegations of abuse with the "pictures to prove it" blew up in her face when it became public Haleigh had an accident at school, the school verified it and she received medical care...and no doctor called it "abuse". Now that pictures with a date stamp have been provided by Ron's attorneys, Crystal's attorney is suggesting this "evidence" of abuse has been tampered with and the date added. Cobra and the attorney are untrustworthy.

If any disinterested third party comes forward with information showing Ron/his immediate family or Crystal/immediate family had anything to do with Haleigh going missing, I'm all ears.

I'm sick of the grandstanding and drama being created for gain by a few. If this is the type of garbage LE is trying to sift through in their investigation, no wonder they aren't making any progress.

[Themis]

I apologize. No harm was intended. My response should have been attributed to a different poster. I see that now having gone back and reread your post. I do try to be careful and thoughtful, I made a mistake.
Your apology is accepted, Elle ... we all make mistakes. Thank you.

[PLstudent]

My prayers go out to Crystal, Ron and both their families. With very little info from LE and facts to go on, it is hard to figure out what happened to Haleigh.
I'm saddened that this case has become about both families ugly past and custody battles while little Haleigh seems to have gotten lost in all of it.
I would love to know if LE has a working theory and wonder if they are operating on abduction and Haleigh still being alive since they dont seem to be interested in doing ground searches.

[odyssey]

It's the new allegations that we're talking about Pia, you know the ones where according to Kim Picazia, people have gone to LE and given sworn statements of the abuse they witnessed of ron to Haleigh.

There was a quote about "sworn statements of Ronald's care"
That is open to interpretation and since those statements are not being made public i will wait until there are charges brought up of abuse by him before throwing him to the lions.


jmoo

[i_pickle]

Thank God it's friday? - well i hope they'll find Haleigh today...


What if Ron Cummings is an undercover officer or informant? After so many drug charges all of them got dismissed? I am beginning to think that maybe he is ..what do you guys think?

Good Morning to All!!!:rose:I think it's a real possibility that he's an informant. It's the only thing that makes sense given his arrest record with no convictions.

[Pat]

The "new" allegations were to be validated by the pictures of Haleigh's injuries. The pictures were used as "proof". Now we find out Haleigh had an accident at school, received medical care, and we are left with unsubstantiated claims, and Crystal has been proven a liar. Those injuries were not the result of abuse.

DCFS has been involved with Cummings and his children for years, and he still has custody. If Cummings has been abusing those children, Jr. should have been removed immediately. He wasn't. I'll wait until DCFS makes a statement before passing judgement on any of them.

I'll be interested to see the reactions of those who believe Crystal's allegations if DCFS rules her allegations have no merit. Will we see post after post alleging cover-up?

[i_pickle]

Thanks I will try again ThemisThe link worked for me.

Interesting that TN would bring him down there and then disappear.

[odyssey]

What if God is waiting for all the bickering in the family and about the family to stop before He brings Haleigh home?

[i_pickle]

If he was/is an informant, and it makes sense as you said, would that information have played any part at all in his getting custody of the kids?I don't know. The two don't really go together, iykwim, it's a dangerous environment for kids, but it could be that "help" with custody was part of a deal he had with police.

I don't think he's undercover, I just think he's a garden variety snitch.

[Owlface]

The "new" allegations were to be validated by the pictures of Haleigh's injuries. The pictures were used as "proof". Now we find out Haleigh had an accident at school, received medical care, and we are left with unsubstantiated claims, and Crystal has been proven a liar. Those injuries were not the result of abuse.

DCFS has been involved with Cummings and his children for years, and he still has custody. If Cummings has been abusing those children, Jr. should have been removed immediately. He wasn't. I'll wait until DCFS makes a statement before passing judgement on any of them.

I'll be interested to see the reactions of those who believe Crystal's allegations if DCFS rules her allegations have no merit. Will we see post after post alleging cover-up?

And I am just as curious to see the reactions of those who don't believe the allegations if they do have merit. Unfortunately, DCFS is not able to say whether or not there factually was abuse, they can only say if there is evidence of it. Just because they can't find proof that doesn't mean it didn't happen, or there was a cover up.

[?noanswer]

I am mad I haven't seen this video. What is going on, is she acting sketchy? Do you think she is covering for Ron?


I just looked at the video www.artharris.com (http://www.artharris.com) . It has a very short segment with TN. I did not see the things that some posters said was on the video. I don't know if they edited and took some of it out.

Wonder where "Cobra" is. Haven't seen anything about him lately. I still can't understand how KP lets NG get the best of her. She does not seem to be able to hold her own. What is her field of practice? JMO

[?noanswer]

I don't know. The two don't really go together, iykwim, it's a dangerous environment for kids, but it could be that "help" with custody was part of a deal he had with police.

I don't think he's undercover, I just think he's a garden variety snitch.

It is hard for me to understand how posters can think that RC could have all of LE, Judges, DCF, etc. in his pocket. JMO

[Motomom]

Hi everyone!! Been about a week since I posted, or it feels like it. I pop in every day to find a new thread titled FOUND..of course there is none:sad: I cannot believe this little girl is still missing without a trace. I would really like to know what is in LE's head.. It doesn't look like any new real information has come out unless I missed it. I did watch the newest video on artharris but read nothing else. Really don't know what to make of it.

Hope for Haleigh still..

[i_pickle]

He is a confident smug person, thats for sure. If he is some drug informant, you would think when going for custody it should have been divulged, considering the possibility someone would catch on and make him pay for ruining their life by snitching. So Crystal needs to find this out for sure, because him being an informant if he is, needs to factor in on the childrens safety. Its too bad Ron just couldnt quit the drugs and get away from the bad people,IF he was an informant.

jmoI agree. Not a good environment for kids any way you look at it.

Until someone explains to me how a person can have that many drug arrests with no convictions, I will assume he is a snitch.

[Owlface]

He is a confident smug person, thats for sure. If he is some drug informant, you would think when going for custody it should have been divulged, considering the possibility someone would catch on and make him pay for ruining their life by snitching. So Crystal needs to find this out for sure, because him being an informant if he is, needs to factor in on the childrens safety. Its too bad Ron just couldnt quit the drugs and get away from the bad people,IF he was an informant.

jmo

There was no investigation by a neutral party in order for Ron to get custody. Crystal didn't show up at the first hearing and he was given custody by default. She asked for a hearing and it was granted but without an attorney she wasn't able to provide the judge with beyond a reasonable doubt proof of anything.

I just hope that now an independent investigation will be done and an objective person says what would be in Jr.'s best interest. And, please God, Haleigh too.

[i_pickle]

It is hard for me to understand how posters can think that RC could have all of LE, Judges, DCF, etc. in his pocket. JMOIt's hard for me to understand how Ron can have numerous drug arrests with no convictions.

Any thoughts?

[i_pickle]

I just looked at the video www.artharris.com (http://www.artharris.com) . It has a very short segment with TN. I did not see the things that some posters said was on the video. I don't know if they edited and took some of it out.

Wonder where "Cobra" is. Haven't seen anything about him lately. I still can't understand how KP lets NG get the best of her. She does not seem to be able to hold her own. What is her field of practice? JMOI think KP handles NG's blatant hostility very well.

[?noanswer]

I agree. Not a good environment for kids any way you look at it.

Until someone explains to me how a person can have that many drug arrests with no convictions, I will assume he is a snitch.

Have you checked other people's arrest record? If so, How many of them were convicted? Are there any stats to show that RC's record of arrests/convictions is any different from the others? JMO

[i_pickle]

Have you checked other people's arrest record? If so, How many of them were convicted? Are there any stats to show that RC's record of arrests/convictions is any different from the others? JMOLOL, well....you tried and that counts for something. :smile:

Um, no, I don't need to check for stats. Common sense works nicely.

[i_pickle]

And who knows how many people he narked out? And its not like he was snitching because he was anti drugs, because he seems to be able to have no problem doing them, its not like he is doing DARE presentations at his kids school. Someone could have abducted Haleigh at gunpoint and Misty fears for her life, and it really is all linked back to Ron, yeah, to me that makes sense, I think thats the most obvious scenario, I dont think there is some big conspiracy where Misty was out partying leaving a door open to get in, when she could just as easy walk in the front door, too complex.

jmoGood point about the front door. I bought into the leaving the back door open so she could get in scenario, but you're right. Why bother?

[?noanswer]

LOL, well....you tried and that counts for something. :smile:

Um, no, I don't need to check for stats. Common sense works nicely.

My common sense tells me that there isn't enuf jail/prison spaces to incarcerate all the people with low level charges. IIRC, he did pay some fines. JMO

[i_pickle]

My common sense tells me that theren't enuf jail/prison spaces to incarcerate all the people with low level charges. IIRC, he did pay some fines. JMOI wouldn't call his drug arrests "low level" but I'm not in the business of finding excuses for Ron's bad behavior.

[IlliniFan]

LOL, well....you tried and that counts for something. :smile:

Um, no, I don't need to check for stats. Common sense works nicely.

I'm not sure what you mean. If you are implying his mother is somehow involved in the non convictions, well, I'm not buying that.

I appreciate your opinion. However, TN "the dispatcher" in Alachula County, imo doesn't have that kind of influence over State's Attornys, Judges, in Putnam Co, Alachula Co, or any other county..

I am relating this to my county which is sort of rural, and the surrounding counties. I just don't see that happening...? imo

[crymeariver2006]

I am mad I haven't seen this video. What is going on, is she acting sketchy? Do you think she is covering for Ron?

I wouldn't say "covering".

She's in the truck, she's upset and tells Cobra that she had been walking around in the woods and saw something that scared her..something about a pen and a trailer and some sound coming from the area...

Cobra tells her he will check it out, asks if she can lead him back to the area, and if he finds anything he'll call 911 and have them check it out too.

They go to the trailer in question, door is standing wide open, Cobra knocks on the side of the trailer. TN is just walking around, glances over at the camera guy.

Then they are shown walking, I guess away from the trailer. TN goes in one direction and Cobra goes in another. All of a sudden, TN's not there any more..

Cobra thinks he's been set up. His phone rings and it's TN and he's asking where she is. She claims that she saw a "6 ft cottonmouth" and she got scared and took off back to the road. The camera guy asks why she didn't warn them about that and Cobra says, "she just did. when she called".

He is still acting on the video like it was a big set up just to get him out into the woods.

That's about it.

(It raised a few eyebrows, that's for sure. IMO, I'm inclined to believe the "set up" part or at least an attempt to keep Cobra occupied somewhere else. But that's just me.)

[Motomom]

My common sense tells me that there isn't enuf jail/prison spaces to incarcerate all the people with low level charges. IIRC, he did pay some fines. JMO

Yep and my guess is he didn't have enough on him for intent to distribute. I thought he had paid some fines too.

[i_pickle]

hard for me to understand, too, but from what I hear from people, the court systems work in mysterious ways, and some of those ways make no sense. I know someone who is in his mid 40's. no prior arrest record for anything, was stopped at a road check one night where the police had drug dogs out, he had a dime of pot in his truck, and has spent over $1,000 in fines so far, and was ordered into a drug rehabilitation program for 12 weeks!!! The program is far enough away that he has to take half a day off work every Friday to attend the meetings, and be drug screened at every one of them, for an exta fee. We all thought when he went to court he would get a slap on the wrist, considering the small amount involved and no prior record, good employment record, etc. didn't happen.Wow, that is excessive for such a small amount and no priors. :thumbdown: Makes no sense.

[Owlface]

But Crystal was given ten days by the judge to get her witnesses/proof there but she didn't bring anything else to the table.

Big deal. Without an attorney to guide her she could have been given 10 weeks and it still wouldn't have made a difference.

[odyssey]

Big deal. Without an attorney to guide her she could have been given 10 weeks and it still wouldn't have made a difference.

Didn't she have an attorney? Her present one says she did ..

[i_pickle]

I'm not sure what you mean. If you are implying his mother is somehow involved in the non convictions, well, I'm not buying that.

I appreciate your opinion. However, TN "the dispatcher" in Alachula County, imo doesn't have that kind of influence over State's Attornys, Judges, in Putnam Co, Alachula Co, or any other county..

I am relating this to my county which is sort of rural, and the surrounding counties. I just don't see that happening...? imoWhere did I say that TN had the power and/or influence to help him with his drug arrests? :confused:

[bkwits]

It's just unreal! You got this big burly dude running around cussing and banging down doors. Teresa is running through the woods crying and talking about snakes. I mean, I feel more like I'm watching a bad movie in the making rather than a case of a missing girl. I've just never seen such nonsense go on in a case. Never have I seen anyone go out on their own to do a search like that. I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy?


Damned if they do. Damned if they don't.
:blink:

[IlliniFan]

Where did I say that TN had the power and/or influence to help him with his drug arrests? :confused:

You didn't, but I thought that was your implication. You seemed like the answer as to the non convictions were just common sense (paraphrasing)..Sorry for misinterpreting.


So what exactly is your theory then, instead of leaving everyone guessing????

[Owlface]

Didn't she have an attorney? Her present one says she did ..

If you read the transcript from the second hearing it says she appeared without an attorney. I'm not familiar with any other custody hearings.

[i_pickle]

You didn't, but I thought that was your implication. You seemed like the answer as to the non convictions were just common sense (paraphrasing)..Sorry for misinterpreting.


So what exactly is your theory then, instead of leaving everyone guessing????I doubt if any theory I may have is important enough to keep "everyone guessing" first of all.

Second, I don't really have a theory, but I'm suspicious of Ron and Misty and have been since day one. Misty has changed her story numerous times and Ron appears to be a classic abuser with control issues, a long drug arrest record and a short fuse.

Add to that, LE hasn't cleared the two people that were entrusted with Haleigh's care and until they do, I'll remain suspicious.

[jakee]

Good morning all,

As usual I am behind on the news and just now watched the Cobra clip.

I don't know anything about hog pens, but is that normal to have underground hog pens? Seems creepy. Is there a picture of one? Is it to keep the hogs cool? Sorry I am very naive about this. :blushing:

[crymeariver2006]

whatt?????? was it a house trailer or some kind of storage trailer??? Did they ever find a pen???? What an odd thing for her to be involved in, seems so out of character

It was an older house trailer, but it looked like somebody was still living there. It had a front porch built on to it, kids toys in the yard too.

Odd? Yes

Out of character? Yes, it would seem out of character with the grieving, upset, worried grandmother. But not out of character with someone who had, in the past, done everything in their power to deflect bad attention from their family. I am not saying this is the case here, lest my post be misconstrued.

[Motomom]

Right, but why was he not charged with possession? What happened that makes all these charges go away? Is it easier for Ron to buy and do drugs with dealers and then turn them in, ruining their lives, and Ron is unscathed because he catches the big fish and the cops turn a blind eye to his obvious drug abuse, because Ron looks like a drug abuser, and I am not chalking it up to grieving, I have seen pictures of him before Haleigh went missing, he is not living a clean lifestyle, and his arrests in the past show me he is a user, I am not in the mindset he is just a terrible victim of circumstance.

Thats my opinion, IF he was an informant, who knows how many people he narked out, the cops are probably wading through all his past "tips" to look at suspects.

jmo

Cracks me up ... "narked out" "snitched".. who cares.. I asked in the beginning if it was a good thing or bad thing to be an informant.. if he was just a user..You are worried about the lives being ruined of a drug DEALER?

Bad decision to use drugs, no getting around that. If he was an informant, he put himself and others in danger no doubt..course if he was getting BIG DEALERS off the streets... maybe thanks are in order.

I may be misunderstanding... Is being an informant a good thing or bad? Is it just bad because it could be Ron? Or is it bad all the way around, for anyone?

I don't think he does heavy drugs now.. I really don't. That's my opinion though.

My feelings on the drug arrests, why there were no convictions is that I don't think he had enough on him to warrent any type of jail time/prison. You get in much more trouble IMO if there is intent to distribute. I don't believe it is stated EXACTLY how much he had on him. I say exactly because here's a scenerio.. Man..good job, family gets caught with Marijuana paraphanelia. Perfectly clean record. Has no marijuana, just resin in the paraphanelia.. gets charged with possession of less than X amount of grams. Possession of paraphanelia too. Ends up paying a couple thousand between lawyer and fines.. charge gets expunged after time. So I think Ron had enough on him to get fined for.. not enough to sell.. Now if he has charges that are intent to distribute, after the other charges, then my opinion changes a little bit. Also wondering what sort of penalties there are on the books in reference to possession of drugs.. or marijuana at the least. I imagine it changes from state to state?

[IlliniFan]

I doubt if any theory I may have is important enough to keep "everyone guessing" first of all.

Second, I don't really have a theory, but I'm suspicious of Ron and Misty and have been since day one. Misty has changed her story numerous times and Ron appears to be a classic abuser with control issues, a long drug arrest record and a short fuse.

Add to that, LE hasn't cleared the two people that were entrusted with Haleigh's care and until they do, I'll remain suspicious.




hmmm..Well, Ok ?

[Motomom]

Didn't she have an attorney? Her present one says she did ..

I thought she did as well..

I think it is what it is and I believe that at that point in her life, Crystal just did not want the responsibility of having the children full time.. for whatever reason, right or wrong. She was young, I think we've seen the lifestyle she came from it may have been too much for her at that time. JMO

[odyssey]

If you read the transcript from the second hearing it says she appeared without an attorney. I'm not familiar with any other custody hearings.

She had an attorney, Charles Behm. He is the one who made her motion for the rehearing, which was the one she made allegations in.
So, yes, she had an attorney when she was given ten days to come up with any proof and she declined.

jmoo

[odyssey]

Good morning all,

As usual I am behind on the news and just now watched the Cobra clip.

I don't know anything about hog pens, but is that normal to have underground hog pens? Seems creepy. Is there a picture of one? Is it to keep the hogs cool? Sorry I am very naive about this. :blushing:

Sounds creepy to me, I mean were they able to get out? i'm feelin' bad for the pigs if they are kept underground (too softhearted i know)
Sadly that too reminds me of the man who dug the bunker and kidnapped a teenage girl.

[i_pickle]

hmmm..Well, Ok ?What does that mean?

Just curious...

[Motomom]

Well, that sucks, now had he been pulled over with lets say a few pounds, some deals may have gotten made to catch the big guy distributing it all, which I am sure Ron gave up some people to save himself, its the only thing that makes sense.

jmo

A few yrs ago a guy I know got caught with a pound of marijuana in his trunk, crossing the river.. Got NO time, nothing but fines. I don't remember if he got probation or not... I know of a younger guy a few yrs back got caught with marijuana, fines weren't so bad but did get probation.. It doesn't seem like there is any set penalty.. kwim? Yet then they leave thugs on the street..how they get their charges lowered and dropped is beyond me too. Or bailed out 15 minutes after they are taken in.
Maybe this is a silly question. Any big drug busts down there since his charges had been dropped (or whatever it was)? In his area? Have no idea how anyone could find that out but we do have awesome sleuthers here.

[jakee]

Sounds creepy to me, I mean were they able to get out? i'm feelin' bad for the pigs if they are kept underground (too softhearted i know)
Sadly that too reminds me of the man who dug the bunker and kidnapped a teenage girl.

I too thought of that kidnapped girl in the bunker. I know my imagination is running wild now, but when I read underground pens, it creeped me out. But then again, this may be normal for the hogs to keep them cool. I have no freaking clue what I am talking about. Need more coffee.

[Motomom]

Yes ma'am, I am very worried about the people Ron snitched out, because that could be the key to finding Haleigh, if Ron ruined some persons life by budding up to them, being their friend, doing drugs together, and then her turns them in, some people dont have anything left to lose after that, or do you not see where I am going with that?

Yeah I do see where you are going with that pocheete.. I do.
Then let me follow along with and ask you some things about that..

I tend to think that if Ron was informing the police about the bigger fish, I would think that maybe said "fish" would be in jail? Now possibility of bail, but if the dealer is that big.. then maybe no bail? Is that possible? Of course he could have others out there, but not every one can take a child and murder them, drug user or dealer kwim? Just because they do that, doesn't make them kidnappers or murderers. Kids are usually taboo for retaliation I thought... course maybe that's not quite right because sick people commit these crimes.

Also, if it is revenge, what do you think they have done with her? Killed her? where's her body? I would think it's in water, because to me that would be the easiest disposable. thinking of that Sabrina case, where the parents were accused and then recently some guy came out with a story about what they did with her body...disgusting to say the least.

We did just hear about that cole puffinberger, but I don't think it's the norm for dealers to snatch kids. Unless maybe we were talking some big time dealer.. and also, I think when a cop gets an informant, they build a case and make a "big bust".. Your thoughts?

[IlliniFan]

What does that mean?

Just curious...

Just confused by your original post.

Honestly, it's no problem....The important thing is truly finding Haleigh, and who is responsible..

I just hope it's soon...

[CC I See]

It's the new allegations that we're talking about Pia, you know the ones where according to Kim Picazia, people have gone to LE and given sworn statements of the abuse they witnessed of ron to Haleigh.That is what Kim said on Nancy Grace but if that is so how come Junior is still with Ron and Misty, or is he?

[Motomom]

I too thought of that kidnapped girl in the bunker. I know my imagination is running wild now, but when I read underground pens, it creeped me out. But then again, this may be normal for the hogs to keep them cool. I have no freaking clue what I am talking about. Need more coffee.

From my own experience I have never heard of underground hog pens. Hogs like the sun, they like to sun bathe and if a pools available they will hop in that to be cool. If not, they will wallow in the mud or dirt.. I know quite a few people with pig rescues and never once heard of something like this. They like the shade and like to be cool, but underground.. I don't know about that. Sounds odd.. creepy and illegal to me. What if the ground caved in?

[Motomom]

Good morning MotoMom. I think whether being a drug informant is "bad" depends on one's perspective. To some, the means justify the ends as far as getting drug distributors off of the streets. For most, the idea of drug informants is a pretty negative person to be. LE usually has little to no respect for an informant because the informant is basically the same person as those he/she is willing to tell on, only they don't have a perceived integrity for doing so. An informant brings to mind the saying, "No honor amongst thieves". LE and other druggies both know that for a drug informant, there is NO trust and the informant is out for number 1 and number 1 only, "burning" anyone in the way. While it may all be fine that it seems that an informant ultimately gets the bad guys, a drug informant also will use the same people to sate their own appetite for drugs. They will also just as easily "burn" LE if they want something from the "bad guys". They're equal opportunity users for the most part and no one trusts or likes them.

Hi lavenia.. thank you for that explanation. So it's perspective.. glad you posted both sides to it as well. I have to think on it now LOL

[Owlface]

She had an attorney, Charles Behm. He is the one who made her motion for the rehearing, which was the one she made allegations in.
So, yes, she had an attorney when she was given ten days to come up with any proof and she declined.

jmoo

Any idea why that attorney didn't represent her at the custody hearing then? Perhaps it's all semantics but since she didn't have an attorney representing her at the second hearing then for all intents and purposes she did not have any attorney.

[Motomom]

Any idea why that attorney didn't represent her at the custody hearing then? Perhaps it's all semantics but since she didn't have an attorney representing her at the second hearing then for all intents and purposes she did not have any attorney.


I don't htink she needed an attorney to begin with did she? Did Ron have one? If he had one than I think she should have had one. I thought she did have one. I stand back to my opinion on that though.

[rosieposett]

whatt?????? was it a house trailer or some kind of storage trailer??? Did they ever find a pen???? What an odd thing for her to be involved in, seems so out of character

It seemed out of character that she didn't call LE. Why call Cobra? That is what I found strange. jmo

[Owlface]

yeah but how many times could he do that? he either kept dealing, or they set him up deliberately to entrap people, which would have made him alot of enemies, in such a small town it would have been noticed right away

Well maybe it did get noticed right away but nobody knew what they could do about it until Haleigh's disappearance - what they could do is tell an attorney or an investigator/PI about what's been going on in Ron's house.

[Motomom]

Right. They could be in prison for a long time. I would assume they would still have family members on the outside with a huge axe to grind with Ron though. And Haleigh could have been tossed in a landfill or fed to pigs, sorry to say, I think someone sent a message to Ron.

jmo

If that is the case *I would have to assume the pigs were starved, because unless a body was cut up into smaller pieces, I do not think a pig would eat a human. If starving..and that their only option.. then yes.. would have to be underground IMO because I'm not sure if you've heard a hungry pig before? I have 3 potbellies and let me tell you, when my son gets home from school they stalk their pen yelling for him..lol so I would think starving hogs, or starving wild boars would be making some ruckus.

[CANDYKISSES]

Is that why they call him "teflon Ron" because nothing sticks?

Maybe he is small potatoes and they have bigger fish to fry? jmo

Who calls him by the name "teflon Ron"?

[i_pickle]

Good morning MotoMom. I think whether being a drug informant is "bad" depends on one's perspective. To some, the means justify the ends as far as getting drug distributors off of the streets. For most, the idea of drug informants is a pretty negative person to be. LE usually has little to no respect for an informant because the informant is basically the same person as those he/she is willing to tell on, only they don't have a perceived integrity for doing so. An informant brings to mind the saying, "No honor amongst thieves". LE and other druggies both know that for a drug informant, there is NO trust and the informant is out for number 1 and number 1 only, "burning" anyone in the way. While it may all be fine that it seems that an informant ultimately gets the bad guys, a drug informant also will use the same people to sate their own appetite for drugs. They will also just as easily "burn" LE if they want something from the "bad guys". They're equal opportunity users for the most part and no one trusts or likes them.:thumbup: great description of an informant.

JMO

[Motomom]

starving hogs will eat a body, I saw it in a movie once. hogs are mean and they are always hungry. I'm too fainthearted to follow this line of thought......bleah

You saw it in a movie? What, silence of the lambs? My post said STARVING HOGS maybe would.. But you are wrong, hogs are not typically mean animals at all. I'm sure there's a bad apple, there is one in every bunch.. maybe a wild boar I would consider mean.. but hogs have good personalities, some think nicer then the potbellies, but IDK... Of course this would be under normal circumstances.. starve something and watch out..

ETA to add that rereading that my post sounds snotty.. I dont' mean for it to be taken that way.

[Mojen]

Yep and my guess is he didn't have enough on him for intent to distribute. I thought he had paid some fines too.

The amount has nothing to do with any charges of intent. Intent is determined by the packaging.

As for the arrests/no convictions. I have no idea why in RC's case, but I know from my clients, if you complete the court's requirements you can get a suspended imposition of sentence.

[Mimi428]

A few yrs ago a guy I know got caught with a pound of marijuana in his trunk, crossing the river.. Got NO time, nothing but fines. I don't remember if he got probation or not... I know of a younger guy a few yrs back got caught with marijuana, fines weren't so bad but did get probation.. It doesn't seem like there is any set penalty.. kwim? Yet then they leave thugs on the street..how they get their charges lowered and dropped is beyond me too. Or bailed out 15 minutes after they are taken in.
Maybe this is a silly question. Any big drug busts down there since his charges had been dropped (or whatever it was)? In his area? Have no idea how anyone could find that out but we do have awesome sleuthers here.

I believe Florida has a significant & ongoing battle with drug trafficking (among other things, I am sure) because the state is a point of ingress for drugs on a large scale. Insofar as I know, there is not any state with a southern border to Mexico or any state with a southern coastline that does not have a large contingent of LE always working on trying to stop large shipments of drugs from entering the USA.

I think there is a lot of disparity in the way individual counties in the same state deal with drug charges. I can say with some assurance that that is true in Texas - stuff that would get you strongly prosecuted in the county I live in may not get a whole lot of heavy-duty DA attention in other counties.

Then we have to factor in the possibility that an active task force-type of investigation is being conducted in the area in which Ron & Misty live. We wouldn't know those kinds of things at the time they are being worked on - we would only hear about them when the big slap-down takes place & multiple arrests are done in a short period of time.

I don't think we will eventually find out that Ron has ever been connected in a real big way to drug trafficking, but it would not surprise me if we found out that he has been involved on a more minor scale. If he is truly & factually innocent of any drug involvement & has cleaned up his act, it is terribly unfortunate for him that he hasn't yet been able to figure out how to NOT act like he is. His sneering, cocky, denigrating-to-others demeanor sure isn't doing him any favors, IMO.

JMO

[i_pickle]

starving hogs will eat a body, I saw it in a movie once. hogs are mean and they are always hungry. I'm too fainthearted to follow this line of thought......bleahMe too, it's really disturbing to think about.

No one wants to think about a dead Haleigh but after all this time the liklihood that she's alive and well is dwindling, imo.

Not saying it can't happen and I hope and pray I'm wrong on this.

If she is dead there are so many ways and places to hide the body. The large wooded areas and the alligator infested waters, to name a couple.

[crymeariver2006]

What took Teresa to this trailer? I apologize if this has already been answered. I'm posting before getting all caught up.

No idea. She tells Cobra that she had been walking around in the woods and saw it and something there scared her. I couldn't understand the part where she was telling him what it was though. Maybe someone else heard it better.

Then Cobra asks her if she can lead him back there and he'll be happy to look around for her, comforts her, and tells her if they find anything he's calling 911.

[CANDYKISSES]

i don't think Ron is an undercover officer, but a snitch/informant is not out of the realm of possibility, IMO

& that jaunt out in the woods, started by Ron's mother was a joke...."set up" fits, IMO
i agree with Themis; that woman needs to carry around a tissue

Do you really believe the wild accusation put out by Cobra alleging they were trying to kill him out there? :confused:

I can't imagine that, sorry. This reminds me of a homemade PRACTICE PILOT for a REALITY SHOW. Once again, he's trying to come off hard and even with editing that trashy mouth wins out and carries the day from my point of view. I would perceive his shady remark about playing some BS on him and getting it rectified as a threat to the Cummings family (if THEY are the ones he refers to about trying to kill him) if I were one of them. JMO tho. :sad:

It seems like the helpers who have come out of the woodwork are as bad or worse than those directly involved in this case. What a shame IMO.

:wub:Prayers to bring HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME SAFE.

[odyssey]

http://www.elitada.com/news/search-for-haleigh-father-responds/

[Pat]

grma, all Crystal had to do was ask what happened to Haleigh, then verify it with the school and doctors who treated Haleigh at the emergency room, and then again with the doctors who treated Haleigh several days later.

When the photos were made public, Crystal conveniently omitted any information about the school accident or the hospital visits. Those were the photos Geraldo Rivera used when he accused Cummings of abuse. She has discredited herself in my eyes.

I am of the opinion there is something other than a custody issue going on here, and the abuse claims and claims of denial of custody by the court, more than once, due to shenanigans is smoke to cover the underlying motive.

All this started with Mother Marie pushing Crystal in front of the camera. Have you read the transcripts of the custody hearings?

I think there is deep-seated anger and resentment driving all this and I don't believe it started with Crystal, but rather Marie. I don't believe custody of Jr. is the primary goal.

Having watched my son work with his lawyer to get custody of his daughter, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind Crystal could have had them had she really wanted them. His lawyer warned him before he accepted the retainer that it is extremely difficult to have children removed from the mother, especially at an early age, if the mother fights for the child/children. My son ended up with custody because his ex-wife didn't want it.

If the alleged abuse was true and Crystal wanted those children, she'd have them. IMO

[i_pickle]

No idea. She tells Cobra that she had been walking around in the woods and saw it and something there scared her. I couldn't understand the part where she was telling him what it was though. Maybe someone else heard it better.

Then Cobra asks her if she can lead him back there and he'll be happy to look around for her, comforts her, and tells her if they find anything he's calling 911.I can't understand what she says in the beginning. She turns away from the camera and her voice fades out.

Where does the pen and pigs come in? I watched it twice and missed that completely.

[CANDYKISSES]

No idea. She tells Cobra that she had been walking around in the woods and saw it and something there scared her. I couldn't understand the part where she was telling him what it was though. Maybe someone else heard it better.

Then Cobra asks her if she can lead him back there and he'll be happy to look around for her, comforts her, and tells her if they find anything he's calling 911.

She told him it sounded like a squeaking doll IMO, but it could have been squeaking dog. It was hard to tell which it was. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I can't understand what she says in the beginning. She turns away from the camera and her voice fades out.

Where does the pen and pigs come in? I watched it twice and missed that completely.

Try the article beneath the video.

[i_pickle]

Try the article beneath the video.Thank you.

Just one more event that doesn't make sense. In the woods for 4 hours? Why? Sees a large deadly snake but doesn't make a sound or warn anyone else? If COBRA's armed, he could've taken care of the snake in short order.

She's odd, to say the least.

JMO

[CC I See]

I don't trust ronald and misty cummings, you know the people from whose trailer home Haleigh went missing. Yes, Crystal wasn't there the night that Heleigh went missing.

[i_pickle]

Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped out of a $1million house.
Jessica Lunsford was kidnapped out of a trailer.
Family was sleeping inside, unaware. JMOWere they kidnapped while in their parent's room with one or more parent also in the room sleeping?

[Pat]

you had a son involved that explains a lot...I had a daughter involved also and that is why I see her side. But all cases are not the same and I don't think you or I were there and totally unfair to generealize these cases. The good thing about our court system is at any time you want to increase visitation the court will take that into consideration. Children need mothers and fathers and their own! Not step moms and step dads as much. I think adults get involved in what they think should happen, Crystal and Ron should settle this between themselves, they obviously didn't think each other were such terrible people when they were together.

I don't see "sides", I see the reality. Courts have always been reluctant to remove children from the mother unless it was determined that decision was not in the best interest of the child/children.

Had my ex-daughter-in-law fought for custody, she'd have gotten it because other than being emotionally neglectful (as well as unfaithful), she wasn't involved in drug or alcohol abuse or did she physically abuse my gd. She'd have been no worse a mother than lots of mothers out there, and certainly better than some. My son wanted custody because he loves his child and wanted her living with him (because of the revolving door of men). He also realized he was probably fighting a losing battle but needed to try. I harbor no animosity towards my ex-daughter-in-law. I just wish beyond words she wanted to be a part of my gd's life, but she doesn't.

My view of Crystal isn't skewered by my own baggage. And I firmly believe Mother Marie, the 29 yr-old step-grandmother, is behind a lot of what we are seeing played out in the media and on the internet.

[Pat]

Were they kidnapped while in their parent's room with one or more parent also in the room sleeping?

Polly Klaas was kidnapped during a slumber party.

Elizabeth Smart was in the room with her sister, who saw what happened and didn't tell.

There was a case in Colorado, IIRC, where a girl was snatched out of the tent where she was sleeping with other kids during a family camping trip. It has been discussed on this board recently. The kidnapper tormented the family for years, claiming that poor child was still alive.

So yes, it does happen that children can be snatched when others are present.

[i_pickle]

Nancy Grace comes across to me as a small-minded, cruel opportunist. A sad example of an attorney. That said, nothing has been proven regarding abuse or not. Even doctors can miss abuse, if in fact he did. Often they just report to LE or Child Protective Services, without sharing their thoughts with the family.

In this case, it sounds like a doctor missed a lot. Or Haleigh was taken to different doctors, including the E.R. It's hard to build a picture when different doctors and school nurses are involved but possibly not communicating with one another.

How is Kim Pacazio untrustworthy? Being "blindsided" by an "entertainer," such as N.G. is probably the least of K.P.'s worries. Nancy Grace is shameless and ignorant in her questioning. When a person wants answers, they LISTEN. I don't understand why this all takes place on television, but until Kim P. is proven to be untrustworthy, to think a television show is the downfall of a child abuse case in the making is just not realistic, in my mind.I don't see anything at all "untrustworthy" about KP and COBRA has a proven 30 year track record so "untrustworthy"doesn't seem likely there either.

I also agree 100% about NG, lol. If anyone's "untrustworthy" it's her, imo.

[Pat]

Hi Pat. I agree with you in all you said.

But Marie is Crystals bio mom, no the 29 yr old step grandmom. Unless your talking about both women.

Poorly written on my part...thanks. Yes..I believe both are in the background fanning the flames. IMO, Crystal was happy with the arrangements and wasn't highly motivated to change them.

[i_pickle]

Polly Klaas was kidnapped during a slumber party.

Elizabeth Smart was in the room with her sister, who saw what happened and didn't tell.

There was a case in Colorado, IIRC, where a girl was snatched out of the tent where she was sleeping with other kids during a family camping trip. It has been discussed on this board recently. The kidnapper tormented the family for years, claiming that poor child was still alive.

So yes, it does happen that children can be snatched when others are present.I said parent, in this case, care-giver, now step parent who claims to "love her like her own" and is loved in return, more than the bio-mom.

There's a difference that can't be ignored. If I was in a room sleeping with my small children I don't think anyone could get in or out of that room without me knowing it.

[beachpatty]

Ok...I needed a laugh this morning. If I didn't know better I would swear the above post is mine. It sounds just like me..LOL.

I am also interested to know about Pigs being kept underground. I live in farm land, no pig I have ever heard of have been kept underground.

Is Florida different, because it is so much warmer down there? Is that why they would keep pigs underground?

I know this doesn't sound like it has anything to do with Haleigh, but if you think about it, it really could.

If in Florida, this is normal to keep pigs in " pens underground" then, I think a search should be used in those areas.

I realize that is terrible to think about, but that may be where someone would put Haleigh.

Oh, I am like some poster the other day..I am scaring myself just thinking about it.

MOO


I have lived in Florida for 9 years and I have never heard about "underground pigs", granted tho, we have lived mostly in the coastal area, except for a brief period in Lakeland. Central Florida folkes and ways are alot different than the more touristy, snowbirdy areas. Many of those center state locales can be compared with "Deliverence" from what I've seen and heard.

MOO
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[i_pickle]

I'm glad it's on video so no one can claim it didn't happen.

[i_pickle]

Poorly written on my part...thanks. Yes..I believe both are in the background fanning the flames. IMO, Crystal was happy with the arrangements and wasn't highly motivated to change them.Well, she's highly motivated now and hopefully something better for jr and Haleigh, if still alive, will finally come of it!

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't trust ronald and misty cummings, you know the people from whose trailer home Haleigh went missing.

Please don't forget that was the HOME of a VICTIM OF ABDUCTION IMO.:crying:

It was the home of Junior, Haleigh, Ron and Misty whether you like them or not. I believe it was in fact her biological mother who stated Haleigh is Ron's heart IIRC. :sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm glad it's on video so no one can claim it didn't happen.

It would appear it is spliced/edited IMO. :sad:

[i_pickle]

It would appear it is spliced/edited IMO. :sad:I also wish they would stop bleeping out the cuss words, it breaks up the flow of conversation. They could use an explicit language warning instead.

Editing, bleeping, aside, it's odd behavior on TN's part and it's caught on video.

[?noanswer]

Do you really believe the wild accusation put out by Cobra alleging they were trying to kill him out there? :confused:

I can't imagine that, sorry. This reminds me of a homemade PRACTICE PILOT for a REALITY SHOW. Once again, he's trying to come off hard and even with editing that trashy mouth wins out and carries the day from my point of view. I would perceive his shady remark about playing some BS on him and getting it rectified as a threat to the Cummings family (if THEY are the ones he refers to about trying to kill him) if I were one of them. JMO tho. :sad:

It seems like the helpers who have come out of the woodwork are as bad or worse than those directly involved in this case. What a shame IMO.

:wub:Prayers to bring HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME SAFE.

I think that whole video was a self-glorifaction thing for "Cobra". I also can't believe a whole AM has been taken up discussing this. As far as the trailer, it looked like a hunting camp type of trailer. The front door was standing wide open and "Cobra" kept yelling and beating on the door. If there was anyone in there, they were probably afraid to answer after his actions. If there was an underground bunker, then maybe the people that used the trailer was traping wild hogs. As far as TN being there, maybe she needed to spend some quite time and think thru what may have happened. JMO

[Mimi428]

I doubt it, lol but who knows. Someone said Mistys mom is 29, don't really know.

Misty's mother is older than that. Misty has at least one brother over the age of 20, IIRC.

The woman who is married to Crystal's father is about 29 years old.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I think that whole video was a self-glorifaction thing for "Cobra". I also can't believe a whole AM has been taken up discussing this. As far as the trailer, it looked like a hunting camp type of trailer. The front door was standing wide open and "Cobra" kept yelling and beating on the door. If there was anyone in there, they were probably afraid to answer after his actions. If there was an underground bunker, then maybe the people that used the trailer was traping wild hogs. As far as TN being there, maybe she needed to spend some quite time and think thru what may have happened. JMO

A hunting camp type of trailer...

With a swingset?

:confused:

[i_pickle]

No, but were quiet enough to not awaken another adult. Mary seen the loon who took Elizabeth but couldn't remember who it was for 9 months. I just have my doubts because of who jr. 1st gave this info too. Also Polly Klass was taken with a friends awake in the room, yet her mother never woke up.
I really have no idea what happened, but I'm not trashing Misty or Ron, or the fact they live in a mobile home( a trailer is what a truck driver pulls) until more facts are known from LE and not Cobra or Kim.JMOIt's always the parents and those closest to the child that are looked at first. Apparently, LE is still looking because they haven't been cleared. I don't consider that "trashing" at all. Btw, where did I mention a mh, trailer, or their living conditions, at all, aside from Ron's obvious ties to the drugs. I don't know what you're implying. Care to explain?

[Mimi428]

As far as TN being there, maybe she needed to spend some quite time and think thru what may have happened. JMO

<snipped>

I believe Teresa herself stated that she asked Cobra the PI to come out there, supposedly because she had been searching on her own, saw the strange pens & became frightened thinking of the implications.

Personally, I think Teresa is being tormented by all the things she knew were happening at Ron & Misty's that were not in the best interests of the children. I also would not be surprised if her mind was working overtime trying to grasp onto any scenario that would explain Haleigh being gone & completely eliminate the possibility that it was someone who knew her son &/or Misty through a drug connection.

But that's just MOO - YMMV.

[crymeariver2006]

Perfect front for a meth lab. jmo Wonder how many of those are in those woods.

I wouldn't know! :laugh:

But it makes you wonder what would have happened to TN had she been found looking around...

[CC I See]

Didn't mean to use the word trailer for mobile home. hate the word trailer. Daughter came in and typed it without paying attention to send quickly.Sorry, is trailer a bad word here?

[Mimi428]

I think TN, who raised Ron, the man whose mouth is legendary in his 911 call, isn't too put off by foul language, not with Ron Cummings as a son.

jmo

I think you are right about that.

[i_pickle]

Where was Ronald? Shouldn't he be out there helping mom look? I have a child his age and he wouldn't want me walking through the woods alone searching for his child.

[CANDYKISSES]

Where did you hear somone was trying to kill Cobra?

Was it on the video of Art Harris?...If it was, I did not hear that part, can you point me at a time in the video he say's this? ( if that is what you are talking about).

I do know in the video, at times I could not make out what Cobra or TN was talking about.

As far as that vidoe, I have always from day 1 felt so sorry for TN and I still do, but something is NOT RIGHT imo.

The following is my take on the video -

1) I can understanding her searching by herself, if that was my granddaughter and I had no one to help me, you bet I would search by myself.

2) I can't tell if she has flip flops on or not.

3) Can Cobra not have enough respect for a woman to watch his mouth?

4) Why did somone not go inside that trailer?...or did they when the cameras were off?..hmm..because, if a little girl was held in there, they sure aren't going to come outside..they would stay quite.

5) This part bother's me the most, why would TN run to her truck and not back to the trailer to scream and tell " Cobra" there was a snake?

I admit, I have never suspected TN of anything, until this video. Something is wrong with TN actions, but I can not put my finger on it.

MOO


I think you might want to watch the whole thing and turn the sound up so you can see that even edited the Cobra language is really disgusting in and of itself.

If you are only looking for that he says about RECTIFYING something when he's been done wrong (paraphrased) and the part about him thinking they are trying to kill him....try 2:50 on, but I earnestly recommend watching and listening to the entire three minutes and six seconds.

1. I am wondering if Teresa is thinking of the Anthony family and wondering if anyone has overlooked anything, so perhaps that sent her out scouring the woods. She could be just really stressed, but she stated it was her first time out there. I hope you read the article beneath the video too.

2. I don't know about flip-flops and see no relevance or underhanded doings whether she had combat boots for the woods or flip-flops and just started wandering the woods because she was thinking and drawn to the area. JMO and no disrespect, I just see no sneaky move involved there.

3. I am so incredibly put-off by the mouth of Cobra, I don't even take him seriously and if he was calling me Momma, he'd be in for a shocker. I could see Ron turning into a Cobra mouth and all if he doesn't have an intervention or this doesn't wake him up because there is something I see in him that could be reformed at the age of 25 too. JMO tho and if the abuse allegations were proven I don't know how I would feel then.

4. Okay, I believe Cobra did stick his head in, and he alleges 168 officers had been there searching three times. I think Teresa was perhaps remembering the sound she referred to and AGAIN with the ANTHONY CASE FRESH IN OUR MINDS....so what all these people searched an area....come on. Maybe it was the sound of the hogs that she perceived as a squeak. I dunno.

5. This video is EDITED, of that I feel confident and it's edited to play off a poor attempt at reality TV with Cobra and Son not to mention the new and under-achieving Art Harris. I have always respected Art and his writing, but go compare some of his older writing to this new almost novel like writing and he's doing an injustice to himself in the quest for notoriety IMOO. Again, I don't always agree with Art, but sincerely respected him until this campaign to malign started. I pray he is not headed down Rivera Brothers Road. :cursing:

6. On the second part of Art's entry you will find some information I predicted from day one on the first Cobra interview. COBRA is put out by Ron playing him, but now that we know of his prior affiliation with Kim and all the players I *feel* are in bed together, I can't blame the Cummings family for playing him back. However, unless there was more of a confrontation than we know concerning Teresa that day, I don't buy that she was setting him up as he suggests. JMO tho and nothing more.

Remember, as popular with the Crystal Camp, the times are not included, so how do we know where both parties were at what time?

She called him to warn him, didn't she?

SO....

What are you thinking now about Teresa?

All JMO. :wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME SAFE.

[Mimi428]

Does anyone know the last record of RC on anything???

The date, the reason???


In Putnam County only, these are the last two I found...

File Date: 2007-11-14 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2007-11-14 1 WILDLIFE CITATION - #132466-C GFFC/ EASON 11-02-07

2007-11-14 1 POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING

2007-11-14 1 SEASON

2007-11-14 1 TRESPASS

2007-11-14 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12-18-2007)

2007-11-29 3 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED

2007-11-29 4 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/18/2007)CORRECT ADDRESS

2007-12-18 5 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES IN COURT WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL

2007-12-18 5 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE TO CT I - POSS OF

2007-12-18 5 MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZELOADING SEASON - CT II -

2007-12-18 5 TRESPASS - NOLLE PROSEQUI - DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED

2007-12-18 5 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY

2007-12-18 5 $273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED

2007-12-18 5 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST

2007-12-18 6 WAIVER OF COUNSEL

2007-12-18 7 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO

2007-12-18 7 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT

2008-01-08 8 JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE CT I

Earlier that year...

UCN: 542007MM001480XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-04-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty: BRUNTON, MACK

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2007-04-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ WALTER 04-02-07

2007-04-03 1 AFFRAY

2007-04-23 2 INFORMATION (AFFRAY)

2007-04-23 3 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05/10/2007)CERTIFIED

2007-05-10 4 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED

2007-05-10 4 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 06/12/2007

2007-05-10 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (06-12-2007)

2007-05-18 6 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - UNCLAIMED

2007-06-12 7 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED

2007-06-12 7 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 07/12/2007

2007-06-12 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007)

2007-06-14 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007) IN OFFICE

2007-07-12 10 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT MACK BRUNTON

2007-07-12 10 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 08/22/2007

2007-07-12 11 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS

2007-07-12 11 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT

2007-07-12 11 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED

2007-07-12 12 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2007-07-12 13 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (08-22-2007)

2007-08-22 14 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY MACK BRUNTON

2007-08-22 14 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE

2007-08-22 14 CONTINUED TO 09/19/2007

2007-08-22 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-19-2007) IN COURT

2007-09-19 16 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT FILED

2007-09-19 16 AND ACCEPTED

2007-09-19 17 DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT

2007-09-19 17 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE

2007-09-19 17 $50.00 COST OF PROSECUTION

2007-09-28 18 MEMO FROM HRDS: DEFT COMPLETED THE CONDITIONS OF HIS

2007-09-28 18 PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM

2007-10-18 19 NOTICE OF SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF DEFERRED

2007-10-18 19 PROSECUTION AGREEMENT

2007-11-28 20 $100.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE 09/18/2007

Affray means a fight, typically in a public place.

Have no idea if he has anything else in another county. I do know one of his prior arrests on drug charges was in Sarasota County.

Here is the main search page for Putnam County - go to Criminal Dockets then put in his last name, then his first - like this...

Cummings% Ron%

https://www.putnam-fl.com/secure/public_menu.php

[CANDYKISSES]

I think you are right about that.

While that's just fine you THINK that, many other PEOPLE THINK he is offensive and vulgar IMO.

Now that we know of his affiliation with Kim. and Kim's interest IMO with Crystal; it only makes it look worse as they try to push the abused woman story, yet this is the kind of help they accept and welcome no less.

What a statement that makes. When did it become acceptable all the way around if one man talks that way in the company of women? I don't understand that logic.:confused:

Let's look at it this way. If one man calls a woman a filthy vulgar name, would it then be okay for all his male friends to do so as well?

Would we presume that if one man spoke that way around her, all men would be welcome to do so?

I still think not Mimi, but alas, that is just me. :blushing:

[i_pickle]

snip

6. On the second part of Art's entry you will find some information I predicted from day one on the first Cobra interview. COBRA is put out by Ron playing him, but now that we know of his prior affiliation with Kim and all the players I *feel* are in bed together, I can't blame the Cummings family for playing him back. However, unless there was more of a confrontation than we know concerning Teresa that day, I don't buy that she was setting him up as he suggests. JMO tho and nothing more.

How exactly did Ron "play" Cobra? And who is "we" in the sentence I bolded? I know nothing of the kind. That's what you *feel* by your own admission.

What do you think TN's purpose was for bringing Cobra out there, disappearing and giving some lame excuse about a 6 ft snake?

[psbperu]

Sorry, is trailer a bad word here?

lol..it is not a bad word. When you travel around you will either see them advertised as Trailer Parks or Mobile Home Parks.

The words are interchangeable.

[CC I See]

A possible scenario here is that drug dealers mad at Ron or Misty took Haleigh wrapped in a blanket out the home that night and then fed her to alligators in retaliation for something that they did.

Sort of like what they are doing in Mexico with their on going drug wars. But if this were so, I would think that this family would be in hiding and the rest of the kids would be as far away from the family group as possible. Not living in a tent somewhere.

[i_pickle]

Well, lets not jump to conclusions. Maybe when he is out mud boggin he looks around?Yet he lets mom walk around alone. Whatta guy. :loveeyes:

[beachpatty]

Thanks...I lived in Florida for a couple of years as a child, but we lived in the Daytona Beach area.

Now, my whole family goes to Destin/Ft Walton Beach every year.

MOO

I was so shocked to hear about all the SO in Satsuma (sp), I guess when we visit FL, we forget that not " ALL" of Florida is so nice.

In fact, when I heard about pig pens in FL..my first reaction was..WHAT??? pig pens in FL...LOL.

I do remember though, about the Alligators. To be honest, the water that is close to where Ron lives has always bothered me. If someone did do anything to Haleigh and she is not with us any longer. I know I would think the water should be searched daily.

I also, wonder if the water ( when I say water - I also mean alligators) will not be the reason this case will go unsolved. I sure hope it does not, but with each passing day it worries me more and more that is will be a " cold case".



Many people also do not realize that Florida is a huge cattle producing state, most think of beaches and Disney, not so.
If the water areas, close to Haleigh's home were checked right away, and it was a gator attack, chances are she would have been found. Alligators do not immediately eat their prey, it depends on when they last fed, many times they will kill the prey but rapidly submersing it with force and they stashing it for a later time. There was a similar case a couple years back, a small child wandered out of a home and made it across several streets to the water area, before being missed, by the time they searched it was too late, the child's body was found, but already deceased :(

MOO
Beach

[i_pickle]

I put my poinions about others things all in 1 post alot. I don't like typing much, have bad shoulders. Had nothing to do with your post.Thank you for the clarification. Any suspicions I have about Ron, Misty, TN etc. have nothing to do with what kind of dwelling they live in.

You mentioned trashing them because of where they live and I wanted to set the record straight. It's their actions subsequent to Haleigh's disappearance that I'm interested in.

[janesdeaan]

If my child or I would hope yours would come to me on a weekend looking like she did i would hope you would want someone to investigate. The custody issue has been so blown out of proportion...all crystal has to do is file for more visitation or perhaps joint custody...these children need both parents. I see it upsets people when Ron is bashed but justify it with bashing Crystal...one as bad as the other.

Hi all, just checking in with my two cents. I agree with you grma, an injury like that should have been checked out thoroughly, and if it were my child, I would have been talking to everyone that witnessed it as well as the school nurse. The video I watched this morning showed Crystal and her mom being interviewed by Geraldo, in it her mom (Marie) says it's her opinion that the cut and large bruised area on Haleigh's face didn't seem like the type you would have from falling down on concrete. I agree with her, it seems like it would be more of an abrasion, rather than a long, large cut and a blackened eye, bruised face. But again, that's why they should have really checked out that story with the school and anyone else there. Crystal said she was told by a relative that Ron had backhanded Haleigh causing her to fall flat on her face, she made it sound like these were two different incidents.
I guess my point is really with another poster, because I don't see that as Crystal lying, she was answering Geraldo's questions about whether or not she thought Ron ever hit the kids, and she told about the incident her relative witnessed. Anyway, my eye is on Misty, imo, she knows something about this and she really comes off a little on the shady side to me. Time will tell, hopefully this little girl will be found, unhurt and soon. What a sad, sad situation for all.

[Mimi428]

While that's just fine you THINK that, many other PEOPLE THINK he is offensive and vulgar IMO.


<snipped>

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone who is personally offended by the language of Cobra the PI, Ron, or anyone else. If you are, you are. If you are not, you are not.

I just don't think it is likely that Teresa has been living a life thinking or saying that horses sweat, men perspire & women "glow". And I doubt very seriously she would object to anyone using any language on the planet, including every vulgarity known to mankind, if it led to her granddaughter being found sooner, rather than later.

JMO

[Pag Boi]

"She asked for a hearing and it was granted but without an attorney she wasn't able to provide the judge with beyond a reasonable doubt proof of anything." This is part of Owlface's post that Pia responded to.

Crystal tried. She's trying now. When are we going to accept abuse allegations until absolutely proven false? Children and other's lives depend upon it.



Funny. I remember it as:

12/1/05 Crystal didn't show up for court. Ron granted custody

12/27/05 Crystal allowed new hearing. She showed up with her mom. Custody unchanged

1/4/06 Crystal's lawyer files a motion for a new hearing based on allegations and an affadavit of her daddy. To date, custody unchanged.


Here is an example of Kim Picazio being less than truthful, JMOO

PICAZIO: No, but my client was doing drugs in the household. We`ve never denied that. After she broke up with Ronald she put herself, voluntarily, in rehab. Stayed there for a week. Didn`t have insurance so they told her she had to leave. She has been clean and sober ever since.

She has visited her children. She`s been an involved parent. She had no idea that she could ever change the custody situation or she probably would have before now.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/26/ng.01.html


As to Crystal being an "involved parent," I guess is depends. I believe an involved parent would know her child's teachers. I believe an involved parent would know how many days of school she had missed. I believe an involved parent would feel like getting up out of bed to take her children to the doctor and get to custody hearings. But that's just me

[CANDYKISSES]

In Putnam County only, these are the last two I found...

File Date: 2007-11-14 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2007-11-14 1 WILDLIFE CITATION - #132466-C GFFC/ EASON 11-02-07

2007-11-14 1 POSSESSION OF MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZLELOADING

2007-11-14 1 SEASON

2007-11-14 1 TRESPASS

2007-11-14 2 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12-18-2007)

2007-11-29 3 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED

2007-11-29 4 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/18/2007)CORRECT ADDRESS

2007-12-18 5 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES IN COURT WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL

2007-12-18 5 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOLO CONTENDERE TO CT I - POSS OF

2007-12-18 5 MODERN FIREARM DURING MUZZELOADING SEASON - CT II -

2007-12-18 5 TRESPASS - NOLLE PROSEQUI - DEFT SWORN, PLEA ACCEPTED

2007-12-18 5 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY

2007-12-18 5 $273.00 FINE AND COST SUSPENDED

2007-12-18 5 24 HOURS HOUSE ARREST

2007-12-18 6 WAIVER OF COUNSEL

2007-12-18 7 WRITTEN PLEA OF GUILTY OR NOLO CONTENDERE TO

2007-12-18 7 CRIMINAL CHARGES IN COUNTY COURT

2008-01-08 8 JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE CT I

Earlier that year...

UCN: 542007MM001480XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-04-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty: BRUNTON, MACK

Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias


Date # Docket Description
2007-04-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ WALTER 04-02-07

2007-04-03 1 AFFRAY

2007-04-23 2 INFORMATION (AFFRAY)

2007-04-23 3 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05/10/2007)CERTIFIED

2007-05-10 4 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED

2007-05-10 4 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 06/12/2007

2007-05-10 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (06-12-2007)

2007-05-18 6 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED - UNCLAIMED

2007-06-12 7 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED

2007-06-12 7 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 07/12/2007

2007-06-12 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007)

2007-06-14 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-12-2007) IN OFFICE

2007-07-12 10 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT MACK BRUNTON

2007-07-12 10 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 08/22/2007

2007-07-12 11 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS

2007-07-12 11 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED INDIGENT

2007-07-12 11 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED

2007-07-12 12 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2007-07-12 13 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (08-22-2007)

2007-08-22 14 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY MACK BRUNTON

2007-08-22 14 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE

2007-08-22 14 CONTINUED TO 09/19/2007

2007-08-22 15 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (09-19-2007) IN COURT

2007-09-19 16 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT FILED

2007-09-19 16 AND ACCEPTED

2007-09-19 17 DEFERRED PROSECUTION AGREEMENT

2007-09-19 17 10 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE

2007-09-19 17 $50.00 COST OF PROSECUTION

2007-09-28 18 MEMO FROM HRDS: DEFT COMPLETED THE CONDITIONS OF HIS

2007-09-28 18 PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM

2007-10-18 19 NOTICE OF SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF DEFERRED

2007-10-18 19 PROSECUTION AGREEMENT

2007-11-28 20 $100.00 PAYMENT MADE TO CASE 09/18/2007

Affray means a fight, typically in a public place.

Have no idea if he has anything else in another county. I do know one of his prior arrests on drug charges was in Sarasota County.

Here is the main search page for Putnam County - go to Criminal Dockets then put in his last name, then his first - like this...

Cummings% Ron%

https://www.putnam-fl.com/secure/public_menu.php



It looks like this might all center around treaspassing, hunting using a firearm during muzzle loader season as opposed to having a black powder gun to hunt with IMO.

Certainly the top part is all about the DNR allegations and his sentence to 24 hours house arrest for violating it.

The bottom half is confusing and it appears there was an altercation that was handled as criminal and it looks like he took a plea. It appears that maybe a deferred prosecution plea is similar to PBJ and allowed him to still file as NG, but that's JMO and hopefully someone from the state will weigh in here. JMOO.

Did you ever find the false reporting of a felony on Crystal Mimi? I saw NG with paperwork and there was no denying it, but never did see it listed here. JMO

[CC I See]

If Jr heard the couch bouncing, whose to say Haleigh didn't walk out, see Misty and the man in a compromising position, and Misty did something to her because she would tell Ron? I also read over at Art Harris someone is saying they have seen Rons two kids sleeping in his car while he worked on a few occasion... I just pray thats not true, and if it is, wow.
jmo

I believe such a thing could have certainly happened that night, if that is so than they both have to keep quiet. But if Misty was there and the other person was the one that hurt Haleigh, then she is in grave danger because she is a witness to the murder or abduction. Nowhere do I see her look frightened or worried about anything she only looks smug now and then.

[CANDYKISSES]

<snipped>

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone who is personally offended by the language of Cobra the PI, Ron, or anyone else. If you are, you are. If you are not, you are not.

I just don't think it is likely that Teresa has been living a life thinking or saying that horses sweat, men perspire & women "glow". And I doubt very seriously she would object to anyone using any language on the planet, including every vulgarity known to mankind, if it led to her granddaughter being found sooner, rather than later.

JMO

Let's look at it this way. If one man calls a woman a filthy vulgar name, would it then be okay for all his male friends to do so as well?

Would we presume that if one man spoke that way around her, all men would be welcome to do so?

I still think not Mimi, but alas, that is just me.

I was asking you to answer the questions above, but respect your right not to answer. Thanks for your reply Mimi. :thumbup:

[Mimi428]

Did you ever find the false reporting of a felony on Crystal Mimi? I saw NG with paperwork and there was no denying it, but never did see it listed here. JMO

Do you recall what county that was filed in?

TIA

[Pag Boi]

It looks like this might all center around treaspassing, hunting using a firearm during muzzle loader season as opposed to having a black powder gun to hunt with IMO.

Certainly the top part is all about the DNR allegations and his sentence to 24 hours house arrest for violating it.

The bottom half is confusing and it appears there was an altercation that was handled as criminal and it looks like he took a plea. It appears that maybe a deferred prosecution plea is similar to PBJ and allowed him to still file as NG, but that's JMO and hopefully someone from the state will weigh in here. JMOO.

Did you ever find the false reporting of a felony on Crystal Mimi? I saw NG with paperwork and there was no denying it, but never did see it listed here. JMO



Ah, yes. The false reporting. What about the RSO against Chad Griffis from 2006-2008? It seems to me that Crystal didn't mind having a baby with Chad even tho his wife and other children lived in fear of him. JMOO

[janesdeaan]

Respectfully snipped from horse64's post:

4) Why did somone not go inside that trailer?...or did they when the cameras were off?..hmm..because, if a little girl was held in there, they sure aren't going to come outside..they would stay quite.

God, this is a GOOD point !

[heidi]

:rolleyes:What took Teresa to this trailer? I apologize if this has already been answered. I'm posting before getting all caught up.

Of course none of us know why she was there.I suspect she got a tip or premonition from somewhere that that could be where Haleigh was taken,someone else suggested a meth lab VERY POSSIBLE if so she probably knew or heard of it and suspected foul play there in some way
this is just my thoughts nothing to actually go on.:rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

link please.......TIA

Don't hold your breath for that Snazzy. It's thrown around as fact, but it's all speculation IMOO.

I hope you didn't miss Kim doing the Florida back-step last night on Nancy as she denied the alleged quote. This is just a glimpse into how they are operating IMOO.

IMO this is a typical example of smoke and mirrors so you don't look at her client, but NG doesn't buy that from all outward appearances.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/26/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to the attorney for biological mother of little Haleigh, Kim Picazio, is joining us.

Miss Picazio, you have just told me on live TV that you have not said Misty Croslin-Cummings had another man in the home. Let me refer you to a statement that you made March 26, 2009 to FOX 35. They`re reporting from Satsuma, Florida.

They say you, Kim Picazio, shared new details about what happened the night Haleigh was taken and I read, "Picazio says Ronald, Jr., Haleigh`s brother woke up when a man came into the house to see Misty Croslin. He stated to his mother he saw a man in black clothing take Haleigh. She says, are you asleep? And he says I woke up. The man had squeaky shoes and the couch was bouncing, says Picazio."

Now, did they misquote you?

KIM PICAZIO, ATTORNEY FOR CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, HALEIGH`S MOTHER: I believe that should not be a quote. And again, we have a lot of theories and none of us were there that night. Ad with regard to Misty`s statements to the press and with regard to her statements to the police, they`re clearly inaccurate.

We have uncovered people, eyewitnesses that have seen her out that night with another individual. Whether or not she propped open the door and allowed a person in that night, we don`t know. None of us were there, but we surely know that she was not home with the children that night according to our eyewitnesses.

With regard to statements, these are things that I think, not things that I know, none of us do. I wasn`t there.

JMO

[i_pickle]

snip

I hope you didn't miss Kim doing the Florida back-step last night on Nancy as she denied the alleged quote. This is just a glimpse into how they are operating IMOO.

IMO this is a typical example of smoke and mirrors so you don't look at her client, but NG doesn't buy that from all outward appearances.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/26/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to the attorney for biological mother of little Haleigh, Kim Picazio, is joining us.

Miss Picazio, you have just told me on live TV that you have not said Misty Croslin-Cummings had another man in the home. Let me refer you to a statement that you made March 26, 2009 to FOX 35. They`re reporting from Satsuma, Florida.

They say you, Kim Picazio, shared new details about what happened the night Haleigh was taken and I read, "Picazio says Ronald, Jr., Haleigh`s brother woke up when a man came into the house to see Misty Croslin. He stated to his mother he saw a man in black clothing take Haleigh. She says, are you asleep? And he says I woke up. The man had squeaky shoes and the couch was bouncing, says Picazio."

Now, did they misquote you?

KIM PICAZIO, ATTORNEY FOR CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, HALEIGH`S MOTHER: I believe that should not be a quote. And again, we have a lot of theories and none of us were there that night. Ad with regard to Misty`s statements to the press and with regard to her statements to the police, they`re clearly inaccurate.

We have uncovered people, eyewitnesses that have seen her out that night with another individual. Whether or not she propped open the door and allowed a person in that night, we don`t know. None of us were there, but we surely know that she was not home with the children that night according to our eyewitnesses.

With regard to statements, these are things that I think, not things that I know, none of us do. I wasn`t there.

JMOI think she calmly answered NG's pathetic attempts to make something out of nothing very well. And she did it twice. :smile:

[Owlface]

I doubt it, lol but who knows. Someone said Mistys mom is 29, don't really know.

Misty's mom is most definitely not 29 - 69 I'd believe from looking at her but not 29. Crystal's STEP-mom has been reported as being 29.

[?noanswer]

Don't hold your breath for that Snazzy. It's thrown around as fact, but it's all speculation IMOO.

I hope you didn't miss Kim doing the Florida back-step last night on Nancy as she denied the alleged quote. This is just a glimpse into how they are operating IMOO.

IMO this is a typical example of smoke and mirrors so you don't look at her client, but NG doesn't buy that from all outward appearances.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/26/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to the attorney for biological mother of little Haleigh, Kim Picazio, is joining us.

Miss Picazio, you have just told me on live TV that you have not said Misty Croslin-Cummings had another man in the home. Let me refer you to a statement that you made March 26, 2009 to FOX 35. They`re reporting from Satsuma, Florida.

They say you, Kim Picazio, shared new details about what happened the night Haleigh was taken and I read, "Picazio says Ronald, Jr., Haleigh`s brother woke up when a man came into the house to see Misty Croslin. He stated to his mother he saw a man in black clothing take Haleigh. She says, are you asleep? And he says I woke up. The man had squeaky shoes and the couch was bouncing, says Picazio."

Now, did they misquote you?

KIM PICAZIO, ATTORNEY FOR CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, HALEIGH`S MOTHER: I believe that should not be a quote. And again, we have a lot of theories and none of us were there that night. Ad with regard to Misty`s statements to the press and with regard to her statements to the police, they`re clearly inaccurate.

We have uncovered people, eyewitnesses that have seen her out that night with another individual. Whether or not she propped open the door and allowed a person in that night, we don`t know. None of us were there, but we surely know that she was not home with the children that night according to our eyewitnesses.

With regard to statements, these are things that I think, not things that I know, none of us do. I wasn`t there.

JMO

Underlining mine.
Kinda sounds like the "I was at work" statement. JMO

[Mimi428]

Mimi

Thanks for your response and the report.

You are very welcome. Not every county in Florida has the ability to search online for criminal court records, so we are somewhat limited in what we can find out about any one person. As it so happens, Putnam County does offer that service & Ron does several records in that county. There are drug arrest records in Sarasota County for Ron, but I believe they were in or around 2005. IIRC, those were for possessing morphine w/o a prescription, but I will have to say at this time it is JMO, since I am about to leave & can't go find the link to them right this minute.

[janesdeaan]

Funny. I remember it as:

12/1/05 Crystal didn't show up for court. Ron granted custody

12/27/05 Crystal allowed new hearing. She showed up with her mom. Custody unchanged

1/4/06 Crystal's lawyer files a motion for a new hearing based on allegations and an affadavit of her daddy. To date, custody unchanged.


Here is an example of Kim Picazio being less than truthful, JMOO

PICAZIO: No, but my client was doing drugs in the household. We`ve never denied that. After she broke up with Ronald she put herself, voluntarily, in rehab. Stayed there for a week. Didn`t have insurance so they told her she had to leave. She has been clean and sober ever since.

She has visited her children. She`s been an involved parent. She had no idea that she could ever change the custody situation or she probably would have before now.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/26/ng.01.html


As to Crystal being an "involved parent," I guess is depends. I believe an involved parent would know her child's teachers. I believe an involved parent would know how many days of school she had missed. I believe an involved parent would feel like getting up out of bed to take her children to the doctor and get to custody hearings. But that's just me

I saw Crystal interviewed, she claimed that when she and Ron broke up, she had both kids until he tried to get back together with her. She went home (rons house) and took the kids. He became abusive with her, she left, leaving kids there. He then filed for custody, she said she missed the first hearing because the papers were sent to some address in Jacksonville where she had never resided. Then, she said at the next hearing, that all parties seemed to be against her and she lost custody. Whether that is the way it actually went down is unknown to any of us, but it is certainly possible that things could have gone that way. I know DCFS and Childrens Court in California is flawed (to put it mildly) so IMO this is quite possible in any state. Also, she does live 100 miles away from Ron and her kids, that could factor in as to how involved she has been with teachers, school records, etc. I'm wondering why you say her lawyer is being less than truthful in her statement. Just wondering and trying to educate myself on this case. TIA

[CC I See]

I am not sure if this was directed at me or not, but here is my reply.

When I said the alligaters and water bothered me. I meant " whoever" took Haleigh.

Personally, I do NOT think Ron is involved in the drug world.

I also do not think this has anything to do with drugs. Maybe I am completely wrong, but I would think kinda like " honor amoung theives" or whatever that saying is. IMO, if this had anything to do with drugs, then the " drug dealers" or???, would NOT have taken a child. I would think a child would be " off limits".

Now, I do know about the child that was kidnapped and found unharmed. Forgive me for forgetting his name, but lets face it, that guy had ' MONEY". So, I think that would be in a different leage then Ron.

I have said from day 1 - Misty is the key and I do think Misty is hiding something. Now, why Ron married her?? I am still on the fence, one day I think he is blind in love, the next day I think he married her to find out " more", basically I just do not know why he married her. I do not think it makes Ron look good.

Ok...I wrote this really fast, I hope it makes sence

I will be in SHOCK if Misty is not the key or involved in what happened.

MOO I agree with you, but just wanted to see the theory discussed by posters. Sometimes that is the best way to eliminate theories. :smile:

[Politigal]

looks like Tommy & Lindsy have a couple of citations for animal nuisance involving a white pit bull dog on the Putnam county site.

Here's the most recent:

UCN: 542009CO000052XXAXCX
File Date: 2009-02-27 Judge: JAMES L PADGETT
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2009-02-27 1 LOCAL ORD CITN: #09-1334 (02-10-09) PCSO/R CLARKE
2009-02-27 1 PUBLIC ANIMAL NUSIANCE
2009-02-27 1 $57.00 FINE DUE 03/12/2009
2009-02-27 2 OFFICER'S REPORT

[Owlface]

At the hearing that Crystal was at, the judge told her he could not accept hearsay testimony and gave her ten days to prove what she was trying to say about Ron. She chose not to present any proof. THAT is what we were talking about.

Accept abuse allegations unless they are proven false? How in the world do you expect that to happen? How can you prove a negative?
How about we let the investigations go as they say they are and quit calling him a child abuser UNTIL and IF it IS proven????

I agree with your assessment. Since Crystal didn't witness any of Ron's abuse of the children (he wasn't abusive to the children when they lived together) I believe she didn't feel like she could provide proof to the judge of Ron's abuse. I'm beating a dead horse but if a custody investigator or even a GAL had been appointed the judge could have gotten a clearer picture of each person's parenting ability. Hopefully that investigation will happen now.

[janesdeaan]

I am not sure if this was directed at me or not, but here is my reply.

When I said the alligaters and water bothered me. I meant " whoever" took Haleigh.

Personally, I do NOT think Ron is involved in the drug world.

I also do not think this has anything to do with drugs. Maybe I am completely wrong, but I would think kinda like " honor amoung theives" or whatever that saying is. IMO, if this had anything to do with drugs, then the " drug dealers" or???, would NOT have taken a child. I would think a child would be " off limits".

Now, I do know about the child that was kidnapped and found unharmed. Forgive me for forgetting his name, but lets face it, that guy had ' MONEY". So, I think that would be in a different leage then Ron.

I have said from day 1 - Misty is the key and I do think Misty is hiding something. Now, why Ron married her?? I am still on the fence, one day I think he is blind in love, the next day I think he married her to find out " more", basically I just do not know why he married her. I do not think it makes Ron look good.

Ok...I wrote this really fast, I hope it makes sence

I will be in SHOCK if Misty is not the key or involved in what happened.

MOO

I too think Misty is the key, I mean what are the chances of her partying all weekend, coming home who knows when and all of a sudden a little girl goes missing and she knows nothing ? And Ron seems to genuinely love his child, but why would he suddenly get married in the middle of all this trauma ? Possibly so he won't be required to testify against his new wife in the future. This is just me thinking out loud, and I am probably off the mark with all this. LOL

[Owlface]

ITA with everything you said but as i heard that interview she took the children with her and on Haleigh's second birthday she let him take them for a visit and he never returned them and that's when he filed for custody.

Which is the rest of the story about why she didn't let him take the child to the doctor the morning of the second hearing. She was supposed to have them for the week, Ron said he'd take the child to the doctor but she was afraid that he wouldn't return them to her for the rest of her week.

[crymeariver2006]

IMO, I would think if it was over drugs/money, they would not take a child, but would wait to catch RC somewhere and beat the he77 out of him and/or kill him.

You would think..

Unless the "kidnapper" was also a SO (maybe registered, maybe not), in addition to being an addict or someone feeling "scorned" over the actions of RC.

JMO

[CC I See]

Hi pickle. A question, for anyone

Wonder why KP wouldn't just say, that is NOT a quote of mine instead of
"I believe that should not be a quote"? Shouldn't she know?? I didn't catch that but now that you bring it up, I think that she was being careful by saying that she did not want to be quoted for the information because the next question would be where did the information come from. She did not want to give her source as I think that she knows but doesn't want to endanger her sources.

[Pag Boi]

I saw Crystal interviewed, she claimed that when she and Ron broke up, she had both kids until he tried to get back together with her. She went home (rons house) and took the kids. He became abusive with her, she left, leaving kids there. He then filed for custody, she said she missed the first hearing because the papers were sent to some address in Jacksonville where she had never resided. Then, she said at the next hearing, that all parties seemed to be against her and she lost custody. Whether that is the way it actually went down is unknown to any of us, but it is certainly possible that things could have gone that way. I know DCFS and Childrens Court in California is flawed (to put it mildly) so IMO this is quite possible in any state. Also, she does live 100 miles away from Ron and her kids, that could factor in as to how involved she has been with teachers, school records, etc. I'm wondering why you say her lawyer is being less than truthful in her statement. Just wondering and trying to educate myself on this case. TIA

I read what Crystal stated under oath in court - that Jr had lived with both of us since birth and that Haleigh had lived with HER since birth.

So when exactly did Ronald and Crystal officially live together if she states that Haleigh has lived with only her since birth? Could it be that Ronald never let Crystal move in?


http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/.../cummings1.pdf

[i_pickle]

Hi pickle. A question, for anyone

Wonder why KP wouldn't just say, that is NOT a quote of mine instead of
"I believe that should not be a quote"? Shouldn't she know??Hi bullyjo. I took it to mean that she said it but should not have been quoted as saying, with certainty this is what happened. That's why, imo, she kept saying, I wasn't there.

It's my observation that NG was trying to pin her to a theory that Misty let someone in the house and they abducted Haleigh. Kim wanted to focus on eye witnesses that saw Misty out that night and didn't want to be pinned down to one theory among many.

I could be wrong but that's how I took the exchange between KP and NG.

[CC I See]

Believe it or not, I have very much compassion and empathy for Crystal but I also have it for Ron. Their child is missing. No I don't think Misty or Ron had anything to do with it but I do hope that my theory of Crystal being behind it is right. To think of the alternative is heartbreaking.

As far as proving a negative you asked "When are we going to accept abuse allegations until absolutely proven false?"...how can we accept something that has not been proven and how can someone prove that they didn't do it?

If they prove that Ron did abuse these children then he should lose custody of them but so far all we have are allegations that were never proven before and now weeks after Haleigh disappears....we have an attorney saying she has proof of this abuse by people who said they witnessed it. It just seems awfully convenient that these people have come out of the woodwork at this point instead of before.

You may not have called Ron a child abuser, my post was for all of us... If you discount eyewitness's statements then you will never be able to prove either way as to whether Haleigh was abused. Photos can be doctored, school records could be wrong and the agency who checked out the home could have not done their job.

At some point credibility becomes an issue. If there are witnesses who have nothing to gain and are completely unbiased come forward, then I think that they should be believed.

An example would be clerk in a store who never met the family but saw an incident one day and has now come forward. I would believe that person.

[CC I See]

Then to me she needs to fight her battles where they matter and not on tv where she knows she would be asked questions. jmo I hope that she does because she is losing ground this way.

[i_pickle]

Then to me she needs to fight her battles where they matter and not on tv where she knows she would be asked questions.
jmoNG invited her.

Maybe you should get a hold of Nancy and let her know that you disapprove of her guests.

[aproudmom]

In regard to that latest video on the Art Harris website.....WTH? I'm watching it and can't help to think that it reminds me of a bad Blair Witch Project film (well, that movie was bad enough but you know what I mean). It's all just so dang strange. Lot's a weirdness, bad acting and who knows what else. I just don't get what the heck is going on. Or, not going on. :shrug: I just don't know anymore.

I would love to be able to watch it for some reason I am not able it says it is no longer available

[janesdeaan]

I read what Crystal stated under oath in court - that Jr had lived with both of us since birth and that Haleigh had lived with HER since birth.

So when exactly did Ronald and Crystal officially live together if she states that Haleigh has lived with only her since birth? Could it be that Ronald never let Crystal move in?


http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/.../cummings1.pdf

I honestly don't have an answer for that, still reading up on this case. Although in the same interview I saw (Geraldo) she says that they were living together when she found out she was pregnant with Haleigh. She says all kinds of things about their lives then, they were doing cocaine and he was physically and emotionally abusive to her and she moved out because of it.
The link didn't work for me...

[emdragon]

am i reading this right...you think Crystal did this? Does not matter what all has come out about Misty...you still want to put this on the mother. This is so outragious I am questioning my own self. No it's not me this is just plain ridiculous.

You really don't understand why someone would rather think Crystal did this?

It is pretty simple to me- If Crystal was behind this for what ever reason, be it the back child support owed or a desperate attempt to gain custody it would mean Haleigh is ALIVE and safe. Just what is so outrageous about wishing that?

[odyssey]

Polly Klaas was kidnapped during a slumber party.

Elizabeth Smart was in the room with her sister, who saw what happened and didn't tell.

There was a case in Colorado, IIRC, where a girl was snatched out of the tent where she was sleeping with other kids during a family camping trip. It has been discussed on this board recently. The kidnapper tormented the family for years, claiming that poor child was still alive.

So yes, it does happen that children can be snatched when others are present.


Her mother was in the tent too. I only recall that for certain because the only reason she woke up was because she was cold. The tent was zipped so she was not sure why so she turned over and found the hole cut in the tent and her little girl missing.


jmoo

[aproudmom]

Yes I do think it is a possibility....and you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.:wink:

So you think Crystal has here hid somewhere or she harmed her or just what is it you think she did? IMO I do not think she had a thing to do with this but would love to hear what makes you think she did child support? mad at RC? Revenge of some sort? just asking as it is your opinion.
O and BTW I am no fan of either family

[bama__angel]

Only in that many time I have seen the phrase "trailer" or " trash trash" used on many different cases when a person of lesser means is involved, or lives in a mobile home. I have always used mobile home as that is what they are. Just IMO It's just my preference. Didn't mean to insult anyone with my preference.MOO

I plan on buying a double wide mobile home.



You're going to be "Queen" of your double wide.....LOL......I love it and I love that song..... Sorry to everyone....I know this is O/T....

[i_pickle]

She knows exactly what she is doing and I think NG is playing right along. Notice how NG went right to the attorney's to ask how the timeline would change if the allegations were true. Misty is not talking right now and they are trying to shake her up.IMONow that you mention NG playing along, that thought did cross my mind a couple of times last night. She was rude and accusatory but that's not unusual for Ms. Grace, imo. But she backed off and there were times when it almost seemed like an act and her real motive was to get the information about Misty out there.

Glad you brought that up.

[aproudmom]

Her mother was in the tent too. I only recall that for certain because the only reason she woke up was because she was cold. The tent was zipped so she was not sure why so she turned over and found the hole cut in the tent and her little girl missing.


jmoo

I saw that on tv a few months ago did they ever find the little girl?

[Pat]

,snipped to addres this point>
If you discount eyewitness's statements then you will never be able to prove either way as to whether Haleigh was abused. Photos can be doctored, school records could be wrong and the agency who checked out the home could have not done their job.

What is the likelihood that all three of the above would happen, more than once? Haleigh received medical care following the fall. If Crystal and family believe abuse was involved, why didn't they take her to an emergency room to have it documented? The doctor could have reported it to LE immediately and had Cummings arrested.

It stretches credibility to believe the photos were tampered with, the school records were wrong, medical personnel were negligent or oblivious, and DCFS didn't do their job. One could happen, maybe two...but all four?

Haleigh was seen by physicians on a regular basis because of her medical condition, she was seen by teachers at school. Abuse was never reported by these professionals...only by Crystal. Are we to believe these doctors and teachers were in on the conspiracy to keep these children from Crystal?

I feel sorry for the immediate family on both sides, excluding Misty. They have allowed themselves to get caught up in old battles, resentments and grudges and have lost sight of what is really important...finding Haleigh.

[aproudmom]

You really don't understand why someone would rather think Crystal did this?

It is pretty simple to me- If Crystal was behind this for what ever reason, be it the back child support owed or a desperate attempt to gain custody it would mean Haleigh is ALIVE and safe. Just what is so outrageous about wishing that?

I think we all wish that was true just not so sure but hey I guess we can pray and hope you are right.

[i_pickle]

No I don't think she harmed her. I could never believe that. I think if she did it then it would be more for the custody than the child support but that is part of the timing on my way of thinking. But not because of it...just maybe a final straw. Look how close to the support hearing it was when Haleigh disappeared. I think it is possible that she decided to take matters into her own hands when the court and DCF had failed to help her. If she did do it, she had plenty of help and she didn't mean for it to go this far. I think her intentions were to get both children and to disappear.Interesting and plausible, imo.

So if she would go to these lengths to get her children, and assuming you're right, I agree, she would want to take both children, that means all this talk of being a horrible, neglectful mother is not true. In fact, the opposite must be true?

A horrible, neglectful mother wouldn't go to these lengths for children she doesn't care about.

[Pat]

I saw that on tv a few months ago did they ever find the little girl?

I don't believe they found her remains. She was killed almost immediately after she was taken. Her family lived in hell for years because of the annual phone call telling them she was alive.

[janesdeaan]

So you think Crystal has here hid somewhere or she harmed her or just what is it you think she did? IMO I do not think she had a thing to do with this but would love to hear what makes you think she did child support? mad at RC? Revenge of some sort? just asking as it is your opinion.
O and BTW I am no fan of either family

I don't think Crystal could have pulled this off, Haleigh is five years old, much to big to be able to hide her out somewhere without people finding out. And, how abusive that would be to do to your own child, just because you don't want to pay the dad child support. She would have to be rather mental IMO to even attempt a stunt like that. I'm thinking the perp is Misty, I think she favored the little boy way over Haleigh, and maybe resented Haleigh because Ron is so attached to her. Jealousy over "daddy's little girl" or maybe resentment of her if she has a problem with Haleigh's mom such as jealousy. And her lame comments about how much she loves Haleigh, as if she were her own, and the comment that the kids love her more than they love Crystal just grated on my nerves. Misty is a kid herself, she isn't thinking like a grown woman and could very well be jealous of a five year old child and the attention Ron may have given her.

[FrankieBones1]

He became abusive with her, she left, leaving kids there. <<<snipping all but this one line>>>
What kind of woman leaves her children in the hands of an abuser? (If her claims are true)

[CANDYKISSES]

Do you recall what county that was filed in?

TIA

No, and I'm going over Nancy's transcripts and related info too.

Also, is Baker the county Chad's former wife had the RSO filed in?

BRB

Pag, looking for that too. I remember seeing a thumbnail pic, but can't find the explanation. JMO

[i_pickle]

For what, pickle???

KP is a lawyer. She has the right to refuse.Of course she has the right to refuse, but why should she refuse Nancy's invitation? She wants to get the information out to the public and what better way to do it than NG? (Despite NG's annoying demeanor.)

[emdragon]

Interesting and plausible, imo.

So if she would go to these lengths to get her children, and assuming you're right, I agree, she would want to take both children, that means all this talk of being a horrible, neglectful mother is not true. In fact, the opposite must be true?

A horrible, neglectful mother wouldn't go to these lengths for children she doesn't care about.

Unless her real motivation was hurting Ron.

[CANDYKISSES]

HI CKisses
I always watch HLN NEWS from 4:00 until after NG, love her. Seen Kim's back~peddling last night, I had read the article Nancy was referencing prior to her show from a link on the board. I just don't trust her or Crystal.oh or Geraldo. I'm in a wait and see mode on Misty and Ron from LE.JMO


Same here Snazzy and yesterday so many alleged misquotes were out there my head was spinning. Again I ask if anyone else caught that one attorney on the panel alleged Misty passed the poly? I keep thinking he would have known better than to say something like that without researching it, but who knows???:confused: JMO

[i_pickle]

Unless her real motivation was hurting Ron.Is that what you think her real motivation was?

Where's Haleigh?

[WhiteShark]

There was no investigation by a neutral party in order for Ron to get custody. Crystal didn't show up at the first hearing and he was given custody by default. She asked for a hearing and it was granted but without an attorney she wasn't able to provide the judge with beyond a reasonable doubt proof of anything.

I just hope that now an independent investigation will be done and an objective person says what would be in Jr.'s best interest. And, please God, Haleigh too.

Ah, crystal did appear with an attorney, who submitted a document in which crystal claimed RC abused her making her afraid to come to court. It is the same document her attorney presented making claims RC dealt drugs. The judge thru it out and left the children with RC.

[janesdeaan]

What kind of woman leaves her children in the hands of an abuser? (If her claims are true)

I know, sounds bad. But, I may have that wrong, I'm posting from what I remember her saying in a video I saw earlier. I'll check that out and be back with her actual statement. YIKES, yer right !!

[PinkyPoo]

Unless her real motivation was hurting Ron.


BINGO! :thumbup:

[odyssey]

I saw that on tv a few months ago did they ever find the little girl?

He had killed her. I do believe they found her remains.
I know he also killed a teenager and they found her dismembered and stored in a refrigerator.
I cannot say for certain exactly what he did to the little girl from the tent. My attention was in and out on the program.

jmoo

[happy2bme]

I saw that on tv a few months ago did they ever find the little girl?

Here is an article about Susie Jaeger

http://www.journeyofhope.org/pages/press/ArticleFromHatredtoMercy.htm

[CC I See]

I am not discounting anyone...I am just questioning their timing.

Not everyone keeps up with missing person cases. So the timing might just be that they are not paying attention to what is happening in the community. Tipsters or eyewitnesses are only now coming forward because they have been busy or not paying attention.

We had a tip about a missing person in my community that came almost a year after the person went missing. That tipster had no idea what they saw was that important and didn't know the person was missing until then.

Waiting until now to come forward may simply be explained for this reason.

[Riverwalk!]

Speaking of the video, when was it made? When was Teresa out in the woods with the PI?

March 17th. Reported in this article
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/17/i-dont-need-a-lawyer-lawyers-are-for-guilty-people-misty-cummings-exclusive/

[i_pickle]

All of the above makes perfect sense IMO. My children's stepmother was only five years older than my daughter, and jealousy between them caused my daughter not to visit her father on their weekends to be with him. It just wrenched my gut to see what she was going through, especially at the tender age of 14, when a father's influence was so important in her life. The first (and only believe me) time the SM trimmed my daughter's hair without permission made me want to kill. And for Misty to go around saying how much the kids loved her, well, I'm surprised at how well crystal has handled that.I agree. Crystal handled that well. She even said that the kids told her they loved Misty. Many would've been much more vindictive.

[aproudmom]

Sorry, is trailer a bad word here?

No..unless it is used in a way of putting someone down which I have seen on this board. I was not happy with some post to tell you the truth because I for one own a double wide (modular home) which cost 80 grand so in no way am I some outback hick, chewing tobacco, non educated person or trailer trash was the one that really got to me and felt it was uncalled for..

I don't think CC you would be putting anyone down but some have on here.

[odyssey]

I don't think Crystal could have pulled this off, Haleigh is five years old, much to big to be able to hide her out somewhere without people finding out. And, how abusive that would be to do to your own child, just because you don't want to pay the dad child support. She would have to be rather mental IMO to even attempt a stunt like that. I'm thinking the perp is Misty, I think she favored the little boy way over Haleigh, and maybe resented Haleigh because Ron is so attached to her. Jealousy over "daddy's little girl" or maybe resentment of her if she has a problem with Haleigh's mom such as jealousy. And her lame comments about how much she loves Haleigh, as if she were her own, and the comment that the kids love her more than they love Crystal just grated on my nerves. Misty is a kid herself, she isn't thinking like a grown woman and could very well be jealous of a five year old child and the attention Ron may have given her.

Haleigh is about the size of a three to four year old because of her TS in my opinion. The little boy who was three and drowned right after Haleigh was abducted (dominic from arkansas) was the same weight and height as her. And my three and a half year old son is well taller than she is and weighs much more than her but he is in the 95th percentile for his age.

jmoo

[i_pickle]

Sorry pickle. I didn't hear much info re: Haleigh on NG. More talk of what she allegedly has been hearing, what she is doing with what she heard. As I said, she does not have to broadcast that info except to the people that need it.
jmoAgain, I can't answer for how NG conducts her interviews on her show, so aside from letting her know your concerns, I don't know what else to tell ya.

I disagree with your opinion of how KP should handle her case. I think she knows what she's doing and has her client's best interest at heart. You may not approve but it isn't her job to win public approval. Her job is to represent her client.

[PrayinginPA]

I have thought this from the very beginnings when it became obvious there was bad blood between the parents. Do not be surprised that if Crystal gets custody she either disappears (more than likely also w/ Haleigh) or Haleigh miraculously apprears. That's what I am praying for.

[aproudmom]

I agree. Crystal handled that well. She even said that the kids told her they loved Misty. Many would've been much more vindictive.

I agree with you and she always talked about the kids loving misty and RC being a good dad and when she begged for her return she would always say mommy and daddy loves you which I think was the right thing to do. I am not so sure Crystal wanted all this abuse stuff and custody thing people were bashing her for not doing something such as protecting her other child and why she did not care to have fought to get them I feel IMO she was somewhat pushed into doing all this which is sad RC and Crystal should be working together to find their child not misty's child she is 17 was 16 until Dec 08 and talks like Haleigh was a little doll she was playing with I am so sick of hearing how she fixed her hair and loved misty more than her own mom.

[CC I See]

No..unless it is used in a way of putting someone down which I have seen on this board. I was not happy with some post to tell you the truth because I for one own a double wide (modular home) which cost 80 grand so in no way am I some outback hick, chewing tobacco, non educated person or trailer trash was the one that really got to me and felt it was uncalled for..

I don't think CC you would be putting anyone down but some have on here. Thank you for the response.

[PinkyPoo]

I have thought this from the very beginnings when it became obvious there was bad blood between the parents. Do not be surprised that if Crystal gets custody she either disappears (more than likely also w/ Haleigh) or Haleigh miraculously apprears. That's what I am praying for.

If Haliegh reappears she will be asked where shes been.....then it would be GAME OVER for Crystal.
I still have my hinky meter set on Joe.

[teresa]

My lovely son took my vehicle after I had fallen asleep and when I woke up it was gone. I called police and reported it stolen, because I didn't know my son had taken it,they accused him of unauthorized use of a vehicle. of course I had to say it wasn't stolen after all...hope that incident doesn't come back to bite me

Did you admit to police that you lied or was it just a mistake? There is a difference.

[Riverwalk!]

http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/search.aspx

Baker County was the location of Crystal's False Report to LE, 12/07
(someone asked this pages back)
Just enter: Sheffield, Crystal

[i_pickle]

I agree with you and she always talked about the kids loving misty and RC being a good dad and when she begged for her return she would always say mommy and daddy loves you which I think was the right thing to do. I am not so sure Crystal wanted all this abuse stuff and custody thing people were bashing her for not doing something such as protecting her other child and why she did not care to have fought to get them I feel IMO she was somewhat pushed into doing all this which is sad RC and Crystal should be working together to find their child not misty's child she is 17 was 16 until Dec 08 and talks like Haleigh was a little doll she was playing with I am so sick of hearing how she fixed her hair and loved misty more than her own mom.I never heard her comment on the ugly things that Misty said and that must have taken a lot of self discipline. That also showed a really unattractive side of Misty, imo.

I don't see Crystal as the awful person that some do, in fact I often see the opposite.

[odyssey]

grma,

Why would a mom put aside her growing concerns about an abusive man and father? This isn't about a couple not getting along, its about one child disappeared and another still in the hands of the man who shows no remorse. No remorse because he is unable to accept responsibility for any of his actions and appears unable to tell the truth.

This is my take.

I don't think you have extended any of the objectiveness you seem to try to be getting others to have. I have seen plenty of sadness on both sides of the family. You believe one side with no proof and do not seem to give the other side the benefit of the doubt even though, again, there is no proof that we have been shown.

There's been a lot of talk. That's it.
And I hope that if you or a loved one are ever in any way accused of something that you are afforded the benefit of the doubt unless or until it is proven otherwise.

That's my take on it.

jmoo

[beachpatty]

A lot of mobile homes and modular homes are very nice inside. Besides with the economy the way that it is and the housing market so tipsy turvy owning a mobile home might not be such a bad idea for many me thinks.
JMO


We bought a double wide in December, after we were insuranced out of the home we owned in Bradenton for 7 years. We bought this, dirt cheap, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands for sale here. The park we live in has 982 double wide units, over 250 are for sale and there's 10's of parks here. This is gated 24/7, 3 lakes, 2 pools, ect. If anybody is considering every retiring to Florida, now is the time, you would be amazed what you can get for $15,000 or less. I don't mean to be a commercial but it's a fact, jack. Ron's mobile seems to be alot more rural and the inside pretty basic. Ours is more square feet than our home was, has hardwood laminate oak floors, kitchen island, etc.


I would bet than when Ron and Misty do find another place to live or rent, it will be another double wide. I wonder if it will ever get to that point?

MOO
Beachpatty

[aproudmom]

A lot of mobile homes and modular homes are very nice inside. Besides with the economy the way that it is and the housing market so tipsy turvy owning a mobile home might not be such a bad idea for many me thinks.
JMO

I agree actually I have a basement added and garage so most do not even know it is a mod home...I think in FL a lot of people own mobile homes because some live there only part of the time my father has a place down there to go when the cold weather hits here....

I have seen many put down the family and call them uneducated and trailer trash and IMO we do not know what that family does so what they live in means nothing to me it has nothing to do with why Haleigh is missing. anyway enough about that lol

[janesdeaan]

What kind of woman leaves her children in the hands of an abuser? (If her claims are true)[/QUOTE

[QUOTE=janesdeaan;12940870]I know, sounds bad. But, I may have that wrong, I'm posting from what I remember her saying in a video I saw earlier. I'll check that out and be back with her actual statement. YIKES, yer right !!

Here's the link to the transcripts from that interview, Crystal talks about Ron's abusive behavior towards her and claims that his mother and gr.mother knew about it at the time. And, so yes she does knowingly leave her children there and moves out.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498156,00.html

[teresa]

I agree with your assessment. Since Crystal didn't witness any of Ron's abuse of the children (he wasn't abusive to the children when they lived together) I believe she didn't feel like she could provide proof to the judge of Ron's abuse. I'm beating a dead horse but if a custody investigator or even a GAL had been appointed the judge could have gotten a clearer picture of each person's parenting ability. Hopefully that investigation will happen now.

Did you miss Geraldo? She now says, a couple of days after that first statement twice on NG, that she DID she him abuse them.

[doctor_J]

Just trying to think of a possible way for Haleigh to be alive and well, or even just alive so that I could sleep better this is a THEORY....Someone did it FOR Crystal. Someone associated with Chad G. or Marie or Marie's Husband maybe. Marie ran a drug business (allegedly) at one time. There could be people of questionable character who owe her money, or that owe her when she took the fall for not ratting them out. Intended to take both kids and release them in a safe place to be "found" when the media died down. Haleigh would not recognize them. Intended to get both kids maybe but Misti woke up.
After they were found Crystal would have a claim of negligence on Ron, add her weak abuse claims, maybe get out of the back support debt and get the kids (thinking that would be cheaper). I'm thinking Crystal does not know or didn't at first. It's probably Chad G. that will have to pay the debt and continued support If he marries her and she won't work. Chad G.'s already got 2 to pay support on and one to support. Many think having the kids is cheaper than support or they think the other parent is living better than them because of the money they have to pay.

None of this is anything but wild speculation based on possible motive I've seen and just really hoping Haleigh is alive.I even hope she can be found with a sex offender but alive. As long as she is alive, there is hope she can recover with proper treatment.

I've often hoped the family, actually Ron, would get on camera and plead to the kidnapper. I want him to say "just drop her in safe place. No matter what you have done. We can help her. I would not take revenge, if you heard different, I was just terrified and in shock at the time. I will not hunt you. You can get away with this IF YOU LET HER LIVE. Please think about it. You could even drop her on a residential street at night and tell her to knock on someone's door and give her name. As long as you have not killed my daughter, there is hope for you and her".

[?noanswer]

Haleigh is about the size of a three to four year old because of her TS in my opinion. The little boy who was three and drowned right after Haleigh was abducted (dominic from arkansas) was the same weight and height as her. And my three and a half year old son is well taller than she is and weighs much more than her but he is in the 95th percentile for his age.

jmoo

Do you know how they found the little boy and how long it was before they found him? Was he floating in the water or did they find him on the bottom. I'm trying to figure out what would happen if Haleigh had drowned. JMO

[Owlface]

Ah, crystal did appear with an attorney, who submitted a document in which crystal claimed RC abused her making her afraid to come to court. It is the same document her attorney presented making claims RC dealt drugs. The judge thru it out and left the children with RC.

Ah, the transcript of that hearing includes the judge (called a magistrate in that proceeding) putting on the record that she was appearing without an attorney.

Line 20 page 15

[aproudmom]

Sorry O/T funeral for the 4 police officers killed in Oakland
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2
PLEASE keep them all in your thoughts and prayers as I have LE in my family and this is a fear we have everyday they walk out the door.

thanks

[i_pickle]

Did you miss Geraldo? She now says, a couple of days after that first statement twice on NG, that she DID she him abuse them.Do you have a link to those statements?

[Owlface]

I have thought this from the very beginnings when it became obvious there was bad blood between the parents. Do not be surprised that if Crystal gets custody she either disappears (more than likely also w/ Haleigh) or Haleigh miraculously apprears. That's what I am praying for.

Well, in your scenario when Haleigh miraculously appears she can tell us where she's been the last 2 months or so and when she says I've been with Mommy then Crystal can be arrested for kidnapping or whatever charge they come up with. (where's the rolling eyes thingy when you need it?)

[odyssey]

Do you know how they found the little boy and how long it was before they found him? Was he floating in the water or did they find him on the bottom. I'm trying to figure out what would happen if Haleigh had drowned. JMO

They found him eight days later floating in the water they had already searched that was either 100 feet or 100 yards from his home .. sorry i dont remember .. anyway it was determined to be an accidental drowning.

[?noanswer]

They found him eight days later floating in the water they had already searched that was either 100 feet or 100 yards from his home .. sorry i dont remember .. anyway it was determined to be an accidental drowning.


Thanks, so if Haleigh had gone out the back door and fell in the water, more than likely her body would have surfaced by now. I thought a body would surface, but didn't know how long it would take. JMO

[odyssey]

Well, in your scenario when Haleigh miraculously appears she can tell us where she's been the last 2 months or so and when she says I've been with Mommy then Crystal can be arrested for kidnapping or whatever charge they come up with. (where's the rolling eyes thingy when you need it?)

I don't know where the meanspirited attitude emoticons are so cannot help you with that but if there was someone that was taking care of Haleigh right now *for* Crystal then the little girl would not know her mother was behind it. Just because some people want to work through a theory that has the best possible outcome for HALEIGH does not mean you dont get to keep on denigrating people in your own theories :)

jmoo

[Peaches]

grma, all Crystal had to do was ask what happened to Haleigh, then verify it with the school and doctors who treated Haleigh at the emergency room, and then again with the doctors who treated Haleigh several days later.

When the photos were made public, Crystal conveniently omitted any information about the school accident or the hospital visits. Those were the photos Geraldo Rivera used when he accused Cummings of abuse. She has discredited herself in my eyes.

I am of the opinion there is something other than a custody issue going on here, and the abuse claims and claims of denial of custody by the court, more than once, due to shenanigans is smoke to cover the underlying motive.

All this started with Mother Marie pushing Crystal in front of the camera. Have you read the transcripts of the custody hearings?

I think there is deep-seated anger and resentment driving all this and I don't believe it started with Crystal, but rather Marie. I don't believe custody of Jr. is the primary goal.

Having watched my son work with his lawyer to get custody of his daughter, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind Crystal could have had them had she really wanted them. His lawyer warned him before he accepted the retainer that it is extremely difficult to have children removed from the mother, especially at an early age, if the mother fights for the child/children. My son ended up with custody because his ex-wife didn't want it.

If the alleged abuse was true and Crystal wanted those children, she'd have them. IMO

Pat,

BRAVO.................I agree with everything you have said here!

[Owlface]

Did you miss Geraldo? She now says, a couple of days after that first statement twice on NG, that she DID she him abuse them.

I respectfully ask for a link where she said that she, with her own eyes, witnessed Ron abuse the children. I believe her words are being twisted. I believe her point is that when they were together she never witnessed Ron abuse the kids, but since they've been apart she has witnessed marks on the children from Ron's abuse and reports from other people that Ron has abused the children. I don't believe she has said that she eyeballed Ron abusing the children but will stand corrected if you provide a link.

[doctor_J]

They found him eight days later floating in the water they had already searched that was either 100 feet or 100 yards from his home .. sorry i dont remember .. anyway it was determined to be an accidental drowning.

The cadaver dogs had led them to the area and hit on the water but they could not find him until a few days later. I did not save the link.

3 dogs hitting a a dumpster scares me to death. It could have been emptied if she was in a trash bag she might not be seen. It strains credibility that THREE dogs would make the same mistake. :crying:

[odyssey]

Thanks, so if Haleigh had gone out the back door and fell in the water, more than likely her body would have surfaced by now. I thought a body would surface, but didn't know how long it would take. JMO

There are a lot of variables though. If she fell in she could be tangled in something in the water. Also, they don't have any alligators as far as i know where Dominic's family lives.

I'm still hung up on the underground pig pits, for real. And i hope that LE has checked that out for a lot of reasons. I have spoken to ppl residing in and near that area and they've not heard of these underground pig pens.

jmoo

[Owlface]

DCFS has been investigating abuse allegations against Ron of one kind or another for about 4 years according to reports.

IMHO, DCFS has enough "evidence".... by now... to feel pretty confident in Ron's parenting skills.
IMO that's why Jr is still under Ron's physical care today.

Why are you positive Jr. is still in Ron's care? Because DCFS has not anounced to the world they've taken Jr. away from him?

[doctor_J]

I respectfully ask for a link where she said that she, with her own eyes, witnessed Ron abuse the children. I believe her words are being twisted. I believe her point is that when they were together she never witnessed Ron abuse the kids, but since they've been apart she has witnessed marks on the children from Ron's abuse and reports from other people that Ron has abused the children. I don't believe she has said that she eyeballed Ron abusing the children but will stand corrected if you provide a link.

I wish I could give u the link, but I will back the poster up. She said she had seen Ron hit the kids Herself and seen him hit other family members and seen him hit "other People". Total about face from earlier statements.

[aproudmom]

Well, in your scenario when Haleigh miraculously appears she can tell us where she's been the last 2 months or so and when she says I've been with Mommy then Crystal can be arrested for kidnapping or whatever charge they come up with. (where's the rolling eyes thingy when you need it?)

lol:thumbsup:I can't wait

[Owlface]

I don't know where the meanspirited attitude emoticons are so cannot help you with that but if there was someone that was taking care of Haleigh right now *for* Crystal then the little girl would not know her mother was behind it. Just because some people want to work through a theory that has the best possible outcome for HALEIGH does not mean you dont get to keep on denigrating people in your own theories :)

jmoo


I sincerely apologize. I feel bad for making you think I was criticizing you personally rather than commenting on the likelihood of your theory. I sincerely did not mean for it to be personal.

[teresa]

Same here Snazzy and yesterday so many alleged misquotes were out there my head was spinning. Again I ask if anyone else caught that one attorney on the panel alleged Misty passed the poly? I keep thinking he would have known better than to say something like that without researching it, but who knows???:confused: JMO

I watched NG twice last night and something bugged the crap out of me. Kim P kept referring to her "sources" about Misty being gone and/or with someone at the home. Then, NG goes to TJ Hart to see what he has heard and he has heard the same thing from his "sources". Does Nancy not know that the source is the same for both of them?

I was reading NG transcripts from day one looking for something for Tara last night. It was around Feb 17 or 18 that LE confirmed they had a tip that Misty wasn't home and they were investigating that. So in comes Cobra weeks later and he gets the same tip. Duh, Cobra, where have you been?

[Elle]

I respectfully ask for a link where she said that she, with her own eyes, witnessed Ron abuse the children. I believe her words are being twisted. I believe her point is that when they were together she never witnessed Ron abuse the kids, but since they've been apart she has witnessed marks on the children from Ron's abuse and reports from other people that Ron has abused the children. I don't believe she has said that she eyeballed Ron abusing the children but will stand corrected if you provide a link.

Geraldo 3/21/09 part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqA0eCPYWOo

2:23 (ish)

[Riverwalk!]

I respectfully ask for a link where she said that she, with her own eyes, witnessed Ron abuse the children. I believe her words are being twisted. I believe her point is that when they were together she never witnessed Ron abuse the kids, but since they've been apart she has witnessed marks on the children from Ron's abuse and reports from other people that Ron has abused the children. I don't believe she has said that she eyeballed Ron abusing the children but will stand corrected if you provide a link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqA0eCPYWOo

[PrayinginPA]

I sincerely apologize. I feel bad for making you think I was criticizing you personally rather than commenting on the likelihood of your theory. I sincerely did not mean for it to be personal.

Who says your theory is relevant either? The only REAL person who knows is the PERSON WHO DIDI IT. Now I can roll my eyes at you!!!

[?noanswer]

There are a lot of variables though. If she fell in she could be tangled in something in the water. Also, they don't have any alligators as far as i know where Dominic's family lives.

I'm still hung up on the underground pig pits, for real. And i hope that LE has checked that out for a lot of reasons. I have spoken to ppl residing in and near that area and they've not heard of these underground pig pens.

jmoo

No where it that article do I see the words "underground pig pens". TN says she saw a pit and then the man he met said it was his pig pens. Another thing I don't understand. How a man who is supposedly used to chasing and capturing criminals could "lose" TN in the woods. There was also at least one other person there videoing the scene. I remember one time I saw a snake and took off running, but my spouse was always right behind me, just couldn't get me to stop running. JMO

[Peaches]

I respectfully ask for a link where she said that she, with her own eyes, witnessed Ron abuse the children. I believe her words are being twisted. I believe her point is that when they were together she never witnessed Ron abuse the kids, but since they've been apart she has witnessed marks on the children from Ron's abuse and reports from other people that Ron has abused the children. I don't believe she has said that she eyeballed Ron abusing the children but will stand corrected if you provide a link.


Crystal said one thing on Nancy Grace and another on Geraldo about Ron and child abuse................

One night Crystal did not see abuse

The next night she did............................................... ..

AND.............Her attorney was right beside her both times.

Can you explain this?

[Owlface]

Geraldo 3/21/09 part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqA0eCPYWOo

2:23 (ish)

I stand corrected. Crystal did state that she saw him hit Haleigh and hit Jr.

[odyssey]

Geraldo 3/21/09 part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqA0eCPYWOo

2:23 (ish)

Thank You! No matter what i searched under at youtube i could not find it lol

[aproudmom]

I wish I could give u the link, but I will back the poster up. She said she had seen Ron hit the kids Herself and seen him hit other family members and seen him hit "other People". Total about face from earlier statements.

I have heard and seen so much I can not say for sure but I thought at first she said no he never harmed the kids because she was the one always with them and taking care of them..I may be wrong as I know things have changed since she got a lawyer whom has said she was afraid to speak out. I have no link cause like you I have heard so much he said she said statements lately.

[Elle]

Thank You! No matter what i searched under at youtube i could not find it lol

You're welcome :smile:

[aproudmom]

I stand corrected. Crystal did state that she saw him hit Haleigh and hit Jr.

Thank god for you tube..lol..so much has changed in this case it is very hard to keep up with everything.

[Owlface]

Crystal said one thing on Nancy Grace and another on Geraldo about Ron and child abuse................

One night Crystal did not see abuse

The next night she did............................................... ..

AND.............Her attorney was right beside her both times.

Can you explain this?

Like I said, I stand corrected. Crystal said two different things and I cannot explain why she would do that.

If pressed for an explanation I would come up with perhaps she thinks hitting is not abuse. To be fair, Florida doesn't consider hitting a child with a stick to be abusive.

[odyssey]

No where it that article do I see the words "underground pig pens". TN says she saw a pit and then the man he met said it was his pig pens. Another thing I don't understand. How a man who is supposedly used to chasing and capturing criminals could "lose" TN in the woods. There was also at least one other person there videoing the scene. I remember one time I saw a snake and took off running, but my spouse was always right behind me, just couldn't get me to stop running. JMO

i find very little humour in this case but the irony of that struck me funny. :)

Didn't Teresa say they were below ground>? If not where did i read that at? i am confused about it i guess.

[Peaches]

"She asked for a hearing and it was granted but without an attorney she wasn't able to provide the judge with beyond a reasonable doubt proof of anything." This is part of Owlface's post that Pia responded to.

Crystal tried. She's trying now. When are we going to accept abuse allegations until absolutely proven false? Children and other's lives depend upon it.



Crystal was given 10 days in order to produce her evidence..........but, of course, she said NO TY...............

Why? My opinion is that she was happy with the arrangement as they stood............a baby, 6 months old - up at night for feedings - not wanting to get out of bed to take sick child to needed doctor care???

MOO

[5boxersmom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqA0eCPYWOo

TY. I was looking and couldn't find it. Here is where Crystal says she never saw Ron abuse the kids. 3 days later she says she did see it. :confused:


GRACE: So in four years, you did not observe any physical abuse on the children?

SHEFFIELD: No, ma`am, because when we were -- when me and Ronald was together, he had nothing to do with the children. I took -- I took care of them. I did everything. He had nothing to do with them. And then when I left, he decided he wanted to take them from me.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html

imo

[teresa]

Do you have a link to those statements?

Go to about 2:20. This is Mar 21 a couple of days after she said twice on NG that she didn't see him abuse them. This time she says she saw him hit Haleigh and Jr both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqA0eCPYWOo

[jakee]

i find very little humour in this case but the irony of that struck me funny. :)

Didn't Teresa say they were below ground>? If not where did i read that at? i am confused about it i guess.

The article where I read about the hog pens. http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/#more-1387

Weeping in her pickup truck, she told the private investigator she’d just spent four hours in the woods wandering near her house where she’d spied what she thought might be suspicious footprints and what looked like an underground pen she feared might be hiding her missing granddaugther.



The resident, an ex-Marine, explained the underground “jail” she may have seen were his innocent hog pens.


I hope I linked and posted correctly. Is this the article where you read about it too?

[odyssey]

Hi odyssey,

I'm having trouble responding to what you say above. I don't claim to be objective, although I imagine that can be a good thing. I didn't say anything about sadness. Remorse is what I was talking about, and lies.

There are very few facts that I know of in this situation. One fact is Ron's lengthy record. Ron has denied drug use on national television. Play around with how the question was asked and answered and you still have him denying. That is a lie, unless all of his arrests were false arrests.

In my subjective opinion, Ron oozes violence.

I don't know how you can state that I believe one side. We don't know one another. You don't know who or what I believe.

Please don't get personal and talk about me or my family or how I would behave...it gives me the chills to have you say that.





He told Crystal in the beginning that he was so sorry and that this would have never happened if he had been home instead of at work. . . other than feeling horrible that his daughter is missing i have no idea what he should feel remorseful of.

i asked you to put yourself in their place as i and others have attempted to do .. if that 'gives you chills' i apologize but can only imagine what it gives to those who actually have to live through it.

as for oozing violence .. the only violent outbursts i have seen from him were when his daughter first disappeared and have seen many people state they would have done even worse. i have seen restraint on his part in the face of a lot of bad things happening.

i think some people just dont like 'his kind' so they think the worst they can about him even though there is almost no way possible he could be directly responsible for his daughter's disappearance.

i won't engage with you any more because i don't want you to be fearful of being in the real world.

jmoo

[5boxersmom]

Not to be unsympathetic here but hogs can eat a human, bones and all, and leave little trace.
I pray Haleigh never saw this place in the woods...:crying:

Isn't there a serial killer in Europe that fed all of his victims to the hogs?

That is why I do not eat Pork. Yuk.

The serial killer I know about was in Canada. Vancouver I think.

imo

[Peaches]

Yes leaving his precious children with a teenage girl that he had to drag back after a drug binge.


And, we know this is true???????????????

Because?????????????????

What we are all hearing is nothing except rumors............and the sad thing is that it is bashing a teenage girl.

MOO

[Peaches]

Perfect front for a meth lab. jmo Wonder how many of those are in those woods.


Let me get this straight............because they have a swing set...........you think a perfect front for a meth lab?????????????

I do not follow you.

MOO

[?noanswer]

I brought this up earlier because I had seen it in a movie, but was scoffed at, Apparently unless it is a wild pig, they are tame as anything and will even be glad to see you come home.

I did a search "hogs eat people". The nearest result I got was for a book titled "I watched a wild Hog eat my baby". The book was about Tabloids and Their Cultural Impact.

There might be a rare instance of a hog eating a person, but it is not the norm. JMO

[5boxersmom]

The article where I read about the hog pens. http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/#more-1387

Weeping in her pickup truck, she told the private investigator she’d just spent four hours in the woods wandering near her house where she’d spied what she thought might be suspicious footprints and what looked like an underground pen she feared might be hiding her missing granddaugther.



The resident, an ex-Marine, explained the underground “jail” she may have seen were his innocent hog pens.


I hope I linked and posted correctly. Is this the article where you read about it too?


Was this checked out? I mean why would the hog pens be underground? Just because he is an ex marine doesn't mean he wouldn't do something. Know what I mean?

imo

[odyssey]

The article where I read about the hog pens. http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/#more-1387

Weeping in her pickup truck, she told the private investigator she’d just spent four hours in the woods wandering near her house where she’d spied what she thought might be suspicious footprints and what looked like an underground pen she feared might be hiding her missing granddaugther.



The resident, an ex-Marine, explained the underground “jail” she may have seen were his innocent hog pens.


I hope I linked and posted correctly. Is this the article where you read about it too?

Thank you! I cannot imagine why hog pens, innocent or otherwise, would be underground and cannot find anyone who is familiar with it. i will have to google it.

jmoo

[Riverwalk!]

Not to be unsympathetic here but hogs can eat a human, bones and all, and leave little trace.
I pray Haleigh never saw this place in the woods...:crying:

Isn't there a serial killer in Europe that fed all of his victims to the hogs?

Feral hog "camp" in Polk County

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJenxYIl1Tk

Snopes about Feral Hogs in Florida + picture of a dead feral hog. (if offended, do not open)

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bighog.asp

[odyssey]

Feral hog "camp" in Polk County

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJenxYIl1Tk

Snopes about Feral Hogs in Florida + picture of a dead feral hog. (if offended, do not open)

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bighog.asp

Before I open .. are they housed underground?

[Riverwalk!]

Before I open .. are they housed underground?

Feral hogs/pigs are wild. They are not domesticated like cattle or sheep.

No. IMO, they were most like talking about a hog "trap"; used to bait the feral animal into an enclosure.

jmo

[jakee]

Ok I asked yesterday and was told that they are called underground because usually there are several hogs in a single pen, and sometimes you have to separate just one hog to stop them from fighting or for slaughter, so you dig a tunnel that way you can lead the hog out and drop the gate to separate them.

Oh, thanks for that information. I would like to see a picture of these hog tunnel separaters.

[5boxersmom]

Ok I asked yesterday and was told that they are called underground because usually there are several hogs in a single pen, and sometimes you have to separate just one hog to stop them from fighting or for slaughter, so you dig a tunnel that way you can lead the hog out and drop the gate to separate them.

Hmmm. Okay I can see that maybe. My uncle had hogs years ago and he did not do that. I will have to ask him about it.

Did TN see hogs at this spot?

imo

[odyssey]

Feral hogs/pigs are wild. They are not domesticated like cattle or sheep.

No. IMO, they were most like talking about a hog "trap"; used to bait the feral animal into an enclosure.

jmo

Yeah I learned what feral meant in middle school when i read about a bunch of wild/untamed cats lol
thanks for the idea about it perhaps being a trap .. i guess what throws me off is that the guy is quoted specifically as saying underground hog pens .. right?

jmoo

[doctor_J]

Thank you! I cannot imagine why hog pens, innocent or otherwise, would be underground and cannot find anyone who is familiar with it. i will have to google it.

jmoo

I kind of laughed about all the underground hog pen stuff. I'm more country than most of you, or at least was raised that way (then left). If hogs are kept in a pen on dirt they dig deep holes and even tunnels, to stay cool and out of boredom. They also LOVE a pond so they dig their own and wait for rain. You would not believe how extensive these tunnels can get. Eventually the farmer has to move the pen because of them tunneling out. Farmers who can afford it pour concrete. :smile:

[Motomom]

LOL no you're ok I didn't consider potbellies hogs, I was thinking of big things with huge tusks, WAY too many sci fi movies!

LOL thank you ocean. I reread that and realized how it sounded..I know hogs.. I just can't keep them in my back yard LOL and geeze, nobody would eat pork in this house then.

I had actually read the original post wrong too.. don't ask where my head is anymore.

Anyways..I don't even know anymore about this case.. I had to switch gears for a week to get caught up on the CA case so it threw me off...

I just want to comment about another comment that was posted earlier ( I have no idea how far behind I am) about the people who come out of the woodwork for these cases... I just want to ask..where are all the normal people? And whoever said Cobras latest video was like practice for a reality show.. I was thinking while watching this that that is what it reminded me of.. that and the blair witch project. I guess the documentation would be good without the extra drama.