Friday , March 27, 2009

[CANDYKISSES]

Why ccouldn't Theresa just be up front and explain to Cobra why she brought him out there? Why so secretive?


Are you saying this is not referencing the tape of Cobra? If you aren't claiming that, then all the questions are most definitely pertinent and related to the 3:06 video where you are alleging Teresa was secretive IMO.

We still don't even know WHERE IT ALL BEGAN given the video is pieced together.

Cobra states on that tape that THEY are TRYING TO KILL HIM.

JMO but it certainly did seem as tho you knew of the tape and were offering commentary. :confused: JMO

[MoonFlwr]

I saw it today at www.artharris.com (http://www.artharris.com)

JMO

Thanks for the link...I hadn't seen it either.

Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[doctor_J]

I'm afraid the next news of TN is that she has been hospitalized. She really looks like she's about to collapse. Thinking about it, I quess she was the closest thing to a full time mother Haleigh had. Even if Crystal was interested in being a mother, it could not be done only 4 days a month. When she moved away 2hrs. she left the kids motherless except for Teresa (Theresa?). I wonder if Ron lived with her ot GGM Sykes when they were babies? If he worked, someone had to help. Since he didn't make a lot, it was probably his mother or grandmother. I can only imagine how Teresa feels but her grief is palpable. She is probably hurting for her son too. Ron had 2 babies in diapers at once. the odds were stacked against him getting and keeping custody. The odds were against him getting his life sorted out and staying out of trouble but he seems to have done it after getting his kids. Now this.:crying:

I have trouble with the contamination of evidence argument. Sure, that's a risk. But really, what's the priority here? If someone had stepped on or, God forbid, ran over little Caylee's body, could that have been worse than laying out in the weather at the mercy of animals and vermin for 5 more months?? The ME can distinquish recent from older damage to the body. Worst scenario is NEVER finding her, not contaminating evidence. I quess that's assuming everyone's intention is as honorable as Tim Miller's. Out of 2 bad scenarios (1) Never finding out what happened to her and (2) Never finding the perpetrator, I'd take (2) anyday. And of course we want neither but if there is no searching we have to rely on a public servant needing to take a whiz and accidently stumbling upon her?

I can't understand why Crystal would lose her driver's license. Wonder how long she had it before she had enough tickets racked up for that? That DL was her only way to connect to her children. She should have treasured and protected it with her life. A pattern of irresponsibility. She got it at 20 and lost it by 22 at the latest. WTH???

[Peaches]

Hi Sharmayia--I've actually spent almost as much time thinking about and feeling sorry for Misti than anything else. She really has had no quidance. Thrown out of the house at 16, of course she was going to take up with an older man who could feed and shelter her. Boys her own age rarely can support themselves. If I knew a girl like her in my community I would try to mentor and help her. I was on my own even earlier than her so I, like you, know what it's like.

I don't think she had anything to do with Haleigh 's missing but if it turns out I'm wrong I will lose all compassion for her. Nothing she's been thru could excuse that.



Doctor J, I agree with you. It seems that Misty has had a very hard life.

I pray that she had nothing to do with HaLeigh's disappearance.

[Pat]

I used the word "secretative' because it seems no one here or else where seems to know why Theresa was searching there.

I Haven't viewed the video yet, I'm following the flow of posts here, that there is a question why Theresa was in that particular area.

Watch the video. Unless I missed it, no one asked her why she was there. If she volunteered it, it isn't on the tape.

This wasn't an "interview".

[IlliniFan]

I'm afraid the next news of TN is that she has been hospitalized. She really looks like she's about to collapse. Thinking about it, I quess she was the closest thing to a full time mother Haleigh had. Even if Crystal was interested in being a mother, it could not be done only 4 days a month. When she moved away 2hrs. she left the kids motherless except for Teresa (Theresa?). I wonder if Ron lived with her ot GGM Sykes when they were babies? If he worked, someone had to help. Since he didn't make a lot, it was probably his mother or grandmother. I can only imagine how Teresa feels but her grief is palpable. She is probably hurting for her son too. Ron had 2 babies in diapers at once. the odds were stacked against him getting and keeping custody. The odds were against him getting his life sorted out and staying out of trouble but he seems to have done it after getting his kids. Now this.:crying:

I have trouble with the contamination of evidence argument. Sure, that's a risk. But really, what's the priority here? If someone had stepped on or, God forbid, ran over little Caylee's body, could that have been worse than laying out in the weather at the mercy of animals and vermin for 5 more months?? The ME can distinquish recent from older damage to the body. Worst scenario is NEVER finding her, not contaminating evidence. I quess that's assuming everyone's intention is as honorable as Tim Miller's. Out of 2 bad scenarios (1) Never finding out what happened to her and (2) Never finding the perpetrator, I'd take (2) anyday. And of course we want neither but if there is no searching we have to rely on a public servant needing to take a whiz and accidently stumbling upon her?

I can't understand why Crystal would lose her driver's license. Wonder how long she had it before she had enough tickets racked up for that? That DL was her only way to connect to her children. She should have treasured and protected it with her life. A pattern of irresponsibility. She got it at 20 and lost it by 22 at the latest. WTH???

Can you lose your license due to non payment of child support???

[Peaches]

I'm afraid the next news of TN is that she has been hospitalized. She really looks like she's about to collapse. Thinking about it, I quess she was the closest thing to a full time mother Haleigh had. Even if Crystal was interested in being a mother, it could not be done only 4 days a month. When she moved away 2hrs. she left the kids motherless except for Teresa (Theresa?). I wonder if Ron lived with her ot GGM Sykes when they were babies? If he worked, someone had to help. Since he didn't make a lot, it was probably his mother or grandmother. I can only imagine how Teresa feels but her grief is palpable. She is probably hurting for her son too. Ron had 2 babies in diapers at once. the odds were stacked against him getting and keeping custody. The odds were against him getting his life sorted out and staying out of trouble but he seems to have done it after getting his kids. Now this.:crying:

I have trouble with the contamination of evidence argument. Sure, that's a risk. But really, what's the priority here? If someone had stepped on or, God forbid, ran over little Caylee's body, could that have been worse than laying out in the weather at the mercy of animals and vermin for 5 more months?? The ME can distinquish recent from older damage to the body. Worst scenario is NEVER finding her, not contaminating evidence. I quess that's assuming everyone's intention is as honorable as Tim Miller's. Out of 2 bad scenarios (1) Never finding out what happened to her and (2) Never finding the perpetrator, I'd take (2) anyday. And of course we want neither but if there is no searching we have to rely on a public servant needing to take a whiz and accidently stumbling upon her?

I can't understand why Crystal would lose her driver's license. Wonder how long she had it before she had enough tickets racked up for that? That DL was her only way to connect to her children. She should have treasured and protected it with her life. A pattern of irresponsibility. She got it at 20 and lost it by 22 at the latest. WTH???



Prayers for HaLeigh and her loving grandmother! :rose::rose:

[MrLucky917B]

Can you lose your license due to non payment of child support???

In Florida you can, they can also pull it for some other unpaid debts...

[tinkerbell]

Can you lose your license due to non payment of child support???

Interesting question; I believe in my state of VA that is a distinct possibility under extreme circumstances.

Purely speculating, I don't believe that CS would have lost her license for non payment of Child Support...

jmo

[n/t]

Watch the video. Unless I missed it, no one asked her why she was there. If she volunteered it, it isn't on the tape.

This wasn't an "interview".


Did you read the article?

She told Cobra she’d just spent four hours in the woods wandering near her house where she’d spied what she thought might be suspicious footprints and what looked like an underground pen she feared might be hiding her missing granddaugther.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/#more-1387

[n/t]

Prayers for HaLeigh and her loving grandmother! :rose::rose:

Why do you spell Haleigh's name with a capital L? Just curious. :smile:

[Peaches]

Why do you spell Haleigh's name with a capital L? Just curious. :smile:


That is the way it was written on her birth certificate.

[n/t]

That is the way it was written on her birth certificate.

Really? I didn't know that. Thanks.

[Leather&Lace]

I'm afraid the next news of TN is that she has been hospitalized. She really looks like she's about to collapse. Thinking about it, I quess she was the closest thing to a full time mother Haleigh had. Even if Crystal was interested in being a mother, it could not be done only 4 days a month. When she moved away 2hrs. she left the kids motherless except for Teresa (Theresa?). I wonder if Ron lived with her ot GGM Sykes when they were babies? If he worked, someone had to help. Since he didn't make a lot, it was probably his mother or grandmother. I can only imagine how Teresa feels but her grief is palpable. She is probably hurting for her son too. Ron had 2 babies in diapers at once. the odds were stacked against him getting and keeping custody. The odds were against him getting his life sorted out and staying out of trouble but he seems to have done it after getting his kids. Now this.:crying:

I have trouble with the contamination of evidence argument. Sure, that's a risk. But really, what's the priority here? If someone had stepped on or, God forbid, ran over little Caylee's body, could that have been worse than laying out in the weather at the mercy of animals and vermin for 5 more months?? The ME can distinquish recent from older damage to the body. Worst scenario is NEVER finding her, not contaminating evidence. I quess that's assuming everyone's intention is as honorable as Tim Miller's. Out of 2 bad scenarios (1) Never finding out what happened to her and (2) Never finding the perpetrator, I'd take (2) anyday. And of course we want neither but if there is no searching we have to rely on a public servant needing to take a whiz and accidently stumbling upon her?

I can't understand why Crystal would lose her driver's license. Wonder how long she had it before she had enough tickets racked up for that? That DL was her only way to connect to her children. She should have treasured and protected it with her life. A pattern of irresponsibility. She got it at 20 and lost it by 22 at the latest. WTH???

ITA with what you said about TN.
Very insightful post regarding TN relationship with both Haleigh and Junior. TN touched me way back in the beginning of this case. She looks totally devastated and just wants to find her grand daughter.
It certainly would not surprise me at all if she were close to being hospitalized. I posted earlier this evening that I sure hope they have access to medical help/assistance. The stress of not knowing where your child/g-child has got to be the absolute worse stress of all.

Praying for Haleigh.
MOO

[Pat]

Did you read the article?

She told Cobra she’d just spent four hours in the woods wandering near her house where she’d spied what she thought might be suspicious footprints and what looked like an underground pen she feared might be hiding her missing granddaugther.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/#more-1387

Yes...I did. And forgot every blooming word! I've been online today longer than I've ever been and it's obviously not good for me!

Thanks and good night!

[n/t]

I watched the video, read the article, I'm not getting the "set up" theory. Can someone explain it to me.

I wonder if Cobra called in the lead to LE after he did a quick check of the property. From the video, he did not go in the trailer nor did he investigate the underground "jail". I never heard of hog pens being underground.

That trailer looked creepy to me.

[Janz]

Oh thank you so much n/t, that's what I have been trying to find out. Poor Theresa, she was wandering around the woods all by herself, hopeful she could find something, anything of her granddaughter. So sad.

...going to come out of lurkdom here to say, "of all the people in this case, I feel the most sorrow for TN. It is obvious she loves Haleigh very much and is almost beside herself with grief".

[PBJMOM4]

I watched the video, read the article, I'm not getting the "set up" theory. Can someone explain it to me.

I wonder if Cobra called in the lead to LE after he did a quick check of the property. From the video, he did not go in the trailer nor did he investigate the underground "jail". I never heard of hog pens being underground.

That trailer looked creepy to me.

Very creepy to me as well. I wonder how TN feet looked after walking in the woods for 4 hours with flip flops on. Her poor feet must be cut up.

[Leather&Lace]

My point was Pat, that Theresa must have had a purpose to be there. It wasn't just a willy nilly whim was it? If there was something that caused her to be searching there it could help the investigation.


Meadow, not trying to answer for Pat but no one knows why TN was out there looking around. Cobra edited the video so he only showed what parts he wanted the viewing audience to see.

I posted earlier that TN may have a feeling, overheard someone talking or who knows why. TN is distraught and wants to find her grand daughter. Maybe she cannot sit still and just has to get out and go look around.

Until TN responds to that video (and she may never) we just do not know the whole truth of that afternoon. JMO

[Leather&Lace]

Very creepy to me as well. I wonder how TN feet looked after walking in the woods for 4 hours with flip flops on. Her poor feet must be cut up.


Her feet are probably the last thing on her mind.

Praying for strength for this grandmother.

[doctor_J]

My point was Pat, that Theresa must have had a purpose to be there. It wasn't just a willy nilly whim was it? If there was something that caused her to be searching there it could help the investigation.

You have to start somewhere. She had to pick a spot for that day. How would anyone pick a spot? Throw a dart at a Mapquest pin-up. I don't get why it has to sound sinister. If she didn't search (ala Cindy) people would say that was callous. So she searches for hours without alerting media or anything and someone like Staubs, who she mistakenly trusted in a minute of desperation, takes advantage.

It sure looked like a place that needed checking out to me. An abandoned trailer in the woods, with some kind of tunnels near it? Within a mile behind Ron's home in a wooded area.

Everyone gets their opinion. I actually enjoy that. But I got to say, finding fault with Teresa Neves right now, in the state she's in, is karma I'll avoid.

[odyssey]

Weren't her brothers married at the time? Were they all living there with Misty's parents? Both her brothers have children, and wifes. That's a lot of people in one house.

It was Misty, Chelsea and the brother who is married to chelsea who were kicked out .. the other brother and Lindsy lived elsewhere.

jmoo

[n/t]

Oh thank you so much n/t, that's what I have been trying to find out. Poor Theresa, she was wandering around the woods all by herself, hopeful she could find something, anything of her granddaughter. So sad.

BTW, the video is no longer available.

That's odd. I watched it about 15 minutes ago.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Getting ready to catch up .... anything new happen by chance?

(:

[Leather&Lace]

It was Misty, Chelsea and the brother who is married to chelsea who were kicked out .. the other brother and Lindsy lived elsewhere.

jmoo


TY
Do you know or remember why the dad kicked them out?
:angry: Misty was only 16 at the time.

[teresa]

Very creepy to me as well. I wonder how TN feet looked after walking in the woods for 4 hours with flip flops on. Her poor feet must be cut up.

I've got a pretty good monitor and for the life of me I can't see flip flops. I've looked, I had my husband look and he doesn't have a clue what this is about and he said huh? Does anyone have a real picture of it? They look like regular brown shoes to me. I'll go look one more time.

[n/t]

Staubs is saying set-up. Set-up for what? Getting hopelessly lost in the woods? Not likely, he had a phone and a cameraman. I don't get his point.

KP keeps referring to "my investigators". Are these Staubs and son? Anybody else been reported on? Art Harris started out covering the story of Crystal's efforts thru her attorney. Would he not report on any other investigators or searches?

Have there been any other searches?

[Ialwayswonda]

I put very little value in so-called psychics, but a site has been linked from here by other posters recently.
Maybe some do feel things others do not.
I went back to that link from Swarovski today and it upset me for some reason.
There was a person "humbled4life" who had a vision of where this child is and what happened.
I will just say the link has been posted several times and it is (google) powerful psychic.

At this point, considering the claim made there about a missing item (?) from the home, I wish someone could tell me if there has been confirmed to be a missing item.

Don't laugh too hard. At me. I'm just reading everything.
:sad: BRING THIS ANGEL HOME!!!!!

[Leather&Lace]

I can appreciate that.

n/t did give me some info though that Theresa was wandering around the area. I can appreciate her restlessness. I just wish some of her family would accompany her.

I agree if she was out there initially all by herself. Must give her credit for being brave to go off into that area all alone. I simply cannot imagine her pain.

I hate to say something like this but it looked like "Deliverance" to me and then the talk of the hog pens.
JMO

[teresa]

I've got a pretty good monitor and for the life of me I can't see flip flops. I've looked, I had my husband look and he doesn't have a clue what this is about and he said huh? Does anyone have a real picture of it? They look like regular brown shoes to me. I'll go look one more time.

Ok, I have it frozen. If Art would move his logo, I think I do see feet on the top of shoes so I think I was wrong.

[Riverwalk!]

Did you read the article?

She told Cobra she’d just spent four hours in the woods wandering near her house where she’d spied what she thought might be suspicious footprints and what looked like an underground pen she feared might be hiding her missing granddaugther.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/#more-1387

BUT did you read his first "report" about this and a totally different "tale". IMO. To quote one of my favorite posters: "Why is that?"

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/17/i-dont-need-a-lawyer-lawyers-are-for-guilty-people-misty-cummings-exclusive/#more-1238
:read:

[Leather&Lace]

I've got a pretty good monitor and for the life of me I can't see flip flops. I've looked, I had my husband look and he doesn't have a clue what this is about and he said huh? Does anyone have a real picture of it? They look like regular brown shoes to me. I'll go look one more time.

Teresa, on another board (SM) very early yesterday, a poster said something about TN wearing flip-flops. I could not see them either and I have good eye sight.
She lives in Florida, they wear flip-flops. Maybe when TN initially struck out walking she did not intend to go so far into the woods.
I'm going back and see if I can see flip-flops again.
:confused:

[PBJMOM4]

Ok, I have it frozen. If Art would move his logo, I think I do see feet on the top of shoes so I think I was wrong.

I stopped the video at about 1:24, looks like the top of feet to me as well, or side of foot.

[doctor_J]

Have there been any other searches?

Crystal's attorney has been quacking about searching in areas LE missed and I said Bravo! but NOT ONE SEARCH has been reported online unless Google has failed me (and yahoo and msn). They are, however receiving donations at Haleighbug to support the Sheffield side of the family while they search.

[Ialwayswonda]

To clarify, Swarovski didn't post this link today. It was recently.
If I were TN or anyone who is truly innocent in this case, I would listen to any and all info and after a while that would drive me crazy. God have mercy on the innocent ones.

Back to reading and thanks to all for all of your hard work and thoughts on this case.:smile:

[Riverwalk!]

That's odd. I watched it about 15 minutes ago.

It's working. Some just have cruddy browsers, IMO.

[teresa]

I stopped the video at about 1:24, looks like the top of feet to me as well, or side of foot.

lol, that's exactly where I stopped it. I think it may be flip flops. Not that it matters but I wanted to correct my earlier statement since I was most likely wrong. I think there is a brown strap over the top of the foot too so it may be sandals.

[TaraCrazyHair]

BUT did you read his first "report" about this and a totally different "tale". IMO. To quote one of my favorite posters: "Why is that?"

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/17/i-dont-need-a-lawyer-lawyers-are-for-guilty-people-misty-cummings-exclusive/#more-1238
:read:


Good Lord ... how confusing can it get?!

I have to ask though ... who wears white jeans and sandals in the woods?

(shudder)

[Leather&Lace]

Ok, I have it frozen. If Art would move his logo, I think I do see feet on the top of shoes so I think I was wrong.


Yep, I think they may be flip-flops but still no big deal to me.

:thumbsup:Teresa N needs to do what she has to do to find her grand daughter. As others have said, at least she is doing something!
I'd hate to know what horrible thoughts go through her mind before she goes to sleep at night. I'd be totally mad insane by now with my thoughts.

MOO

[Riverwalk!]

Crystal's attorney has been quacking about searching in areas LE missed and I said Bravo! but NOT ONE SEARCH has been reported online unless Google has failed me (and yahoo and msn). They are, however receiving donations at Haleighbug to support the Sheffield side of the family while they search.

To be more specific:

DONATIONS:
If you would like to purchase a Haleighbug bracelet and/or make a non-tax deductible donation to Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, please call 866.999.0192. All donations will go directly toward helping Haleigh’s mother and family meet their basic and immediate needs while they temporarily reside near the investigation and ongoing search for little Haleigh.

http://haleighbug.com/

[TaraCrazyHair]

Teresa, on another board (SM) very early yesterday, a poster said something about TN wearing flip-flops. I could not see them either and I have good eye sight.
She lives in Florida, they wear flip-flops. Maybe when TN initially struck out walking she did not intend to go so far into the woods.
I'm going back and see if I can see flip-flops again.
:confused:



After an hour following Haleigh’s grandmother through forest thick with palmettos, cotton mouth snakes, brown recluse spiders and black mud that made a sucking sound when Mrs. Neves made a wrong step in her sandals and white jeans, we became separated and found her down a long dirt road. She said she’d spied a long cotton mouth snake and made a run for it.

(shrug)

[n/t]

BUT did you read his first "report" about this and a totally different "tale". IMO. To quote one of my favorite posters: "Why is that?"

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/17/i-dont-need-a-lawyer-lawyers-are-for-guilty-people-misty-cummings-exclusive/#more-1238
:read:

hmmmm no I didn't. Thanks for posting it. This case will drive me insane. It's gotten to the point that I don't believe anyone. All I know as fact is there is a missing little 5 year old girl named Haleigh. I think it's really sad that nothing else is confirmed in this case.

With most cases when there's nothing else to go by, people usually go back to the beginning to see if there's anything that was missed. Heck we can't even do that in this case because even the initial story is supposedly messed up.

So frustrating.

[Leather&Lace]

To clarify, Swarovski didn't post this link today. It was recently.
If I were TN or anyone who is truly innocent in this case, I would listen to any and all info and after a while that would drive me crazy. God have mercy on the innocent ones.

Back to reading and thanks to all for all of your hard work and thoughts on this case.:smile:


Where is the link for the physic. I'd like to read what is being said.
TY

[teresa]

Yep, I think they may be flip-flops but still no big deal to me.

:thumbsup:Teresa N needs to do what she has to do to find her grand daughter. As others have said, at least she is doing something!
I'd hate to know what horrible thoughts go through her mind before she goes to sleep at night. I'd be totally mad insane by now with my thoughts.

MOO

I would too. I don't know how they can stand it. I think about her when I go to bed and I don't even know her...but my heart goes out to her. I just want to hug her.

[Riverwalk!]

Good Lord ... how confusing can it get?!

I have to ask though ... who wears white jeans and sandals in the woods?

(shudder)

Same link: FIRST "tale" on 3/17

After an hour following Haleigh’s grandmother through forest thick with palmettos, cotton mouth snakes, brown recluse spiders and black mud that made a sucking sound when Mrs. Neves made a wrong step in her sandals and white jeans, we became separated and found her down a long dirt road. She said she’d spied a long cotton mouth snake and made a run for it.

Anyone see black mud on TN pants/legs/feet in the video posted at AH's second "tale"? Ummmmmm. Bedazzler by Art/Cobra in mho.

Why is that? And hat tip to LS.

[Leather&Lace]

After an hour following Haleigh’s grandmother through forest thick with palmettos, cotton mouth snakes, brown recluse spiders and black mud that made a sucking sound when Mrs. Neves made a wrong step in her sandals and white jeans, we became separated and found her down a long dirt road. She said she’d spied a long cotton mouth snake and made a run for it.

(shrug)

I posted I actually went back and watched the video again a few min ago. She does look like she is wearing flip-flops.
Anyway, all I can figure is she started out looking around and ended up in flips, white pants and in the woods.

Don't know why she would not dress more appropriately for walking in those conditions. Maybe she is not thinking straight with the stress and heartache of a missing grand child.

MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I hope you are right. I believe we will be surprised but not surprised when the truth is known.

I have several theories going on what may have happened. In fact, I think most have it narrowed down to about 3 / 4 scenarios.

Praying for Haleigh.

I have a few as well, now including one that maybe she is safe someplace and the family knows it ... but this thing got bigger than they thought and they are afraid to to spill the truth and whoolah! Haleigh will be "miraculously recovered"

[PBJMOM4]

I posted I actually went back and watched the video again a few min ago. She does look like she is wearing flip-flops.
Anyway, all I can figure is she started out looking around and ended up in flips, white pants and in the woods.

Don't know why she would not dress more appropriately for walking in those conditions. Maybe she is not thinking straight with the stress and heartache of a missing grand child.

MOO

More upsetting is that she is searching alone it seems

[TaraCrazyHair]

I posted I actually went back and watched the video again a few min ago. She does look like she is wearing flip-flops.
Anyway, all I can figure is she started out looking around and ended up in flips, white pants and in the woods.

Don't know why she would not dress more appropriately for walking in those conditions. Maybe she is not thinking straight with the stress and heartache of a missing grand child.

MOO


Isn't she native to that area?

[Leather&Lace]

I would too. I don't know how they can stand it. I think about her when I go to bed and I don't even know her...but my heart goes out to her. I just want to hug her.

She breaks my heart.
Out of all of the people on either side of the family, TN touches me the most.
:crying:

[Ialwayswonda]

Just enter in powerful psychic readings and click on that link.
Then go to the left side and click on Haleigh Cummings.
Then read down that page and go down further to click on the other readings.
Sorry maybe someone else could post the actual link.
:unsure:I know it is several days ago.

[Riverwalk!]

It could be my "cruddy browser" because the next link you posted I got the old Misty/Art Harris interview. I'm just going to have to wing it, lol.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/17/i-dont-need-a-lawyer-lawyers-are-for-guilty-people-misty-cummings-exclusive/#more-1238

see what I mean

READ the text under the video of MISTI... that's the first "tale" by Art and Cobra on 3/17 about the walk in the woods. Totally changed text on the other link: http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/#more-1387

YES the vids work still, all of them on my computer and with my browsers.

[TaraCrazyHair]

More upsetting is that she is searching alone it seems


You mean without other family members?

I agree that is very sad and shows determination on her part if so

The mental visual I have just based on what we have learned and seen from the family so far is not very pretty

[teresa]

I have a few as well, now including one that maybe she is safe someplace and the family knows it ... but this thing got bigger than they thought and they are afraid to to spill the truth and whoolah! Haleigh will be "miraculously recovered"

Tara, that's the one I'm really hoping for. I don't know if you saw the link a few pages back but TJ Hart says Cobra and Crystal's dad searched and found a sheet or blanket with some blood on it. I don't know if it is connected but LE supposedly threatened them with arrest for interfering. There are internet rumors of other things being found with the blanket but I don't know if it's true.

[bkwits]

I posted I actually went back and watched the video again a few min ago. She does look like she is wearing flip-flops.
Anyway, all I can figure is she started out looking around and ended up in flips, white pants and in the woods.

Don't know why she would not dress more appropriately for walking in those conditions. Maybe she is not thinking straight with the stress and heartache of a missing grand child.

MOO

I think the poor woman is headed for a nervous breakdown of some kind. She probably is not very rational at times. I know that I would a total basket case. I can't imagine life getting much worse than what these families are experiencing.

IMO

[Riverwalk!]

And I get this

http://www.artharris.com/

We are sorry, video no longer available.

Change browsers. It works.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Maybe someone so lost in their thoughts about their granddaughter???


So this was a spur of the moment thing and not preplanned?

Sorry -- I am not sure how it occurred

I thought it was planned?

[Leather&Lace]

Isn't she native to that area?

I believe so.
She is most likely not frightened by the elements nor creatures in that part of Florida. Just desperate to find Haleigh.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Tara, that's the one I'm really hoping for. I don't know if you saw the link a few pages back but TJ Hart says Cobra and Crystal's dad searched and found a sheet or blanket with some blood on it. I don't know if it is connected but LE supposedly threatened them with arrest for interfering. There are internet rumors of other things being found with the blanket but I don't know if it's true.


NO!!

Have not gotten that far back yet!


I need and want more info?

Where did they allegedly find this at?

And LE threatened them? Seriously??

[Leather&Lace]

I think the poor woman is headed for a nervous breakdown of some kind. She probably is not very rational at times. I know that I would a total basket case. I can't imagine life getting much worse than what these families are experiencing.

IMO

:unsure:I don't know how much longer she will be able to hold up. There is no telling what she goes through behind closed doors.
No telling.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I believe so.
She is most likely not frightened by the elements nor creatures in that part of Florida. Just desperate to find Haleigh.

I can see that point but at the same time .. we are headed into the 7th week and the desperation per se fades and the mind takes some sort of control so if you are planning to search an area like that, you do not wander ... you prepare for it?


I do not know what to think about it -- would like to hear her version I guess

Not ready to pass judgment on her just yet

[Riverwalk!]

I can see that point but at the same time .. we are headed into the 7th week and the desperation per se fades and the mind takes some sort of control so if you are planning to search an area like that, you do not wander ... you prepare for it?


I do not know what to think about it -- would like to hear her version I guess

Not ready to pass judgment on her just yet

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

Scroll down

Sorry put this on the wrong ? of yours. But hey you got the link now. lol

[doctor_J]

Tara, that's the one I'm really hoping for. I don't know if you saw the link a few pages back but TJ Hart says Cobra and Crystal's dad searched and found a sheet or blanket with some blood on it. I don't know if it is connected but LE supposedly threatened them with arrest for interfering. There are internet rumors of other things being found with the blanket but I don't know if it's true.

Didn't T.J. Hart say that Staubs SAID he and Sheffield searched and found blah, blah, blah?? I would have to go back but I don't think he reported it happened but that Staubs said it happened. :rolleyes:

[teresa]

No, why is Cobra leaving?

Is your guess, possibly what Teresa was talking about?...If so, please PM me if you don't mind.

MOO

horse64, I told I Pickle that I was just kidding. We have been joking about Cobra's audition for a TV show. It's a joke but he's obviously wanting attention based on his radio interview and the tape he gave Art.

[Riverwalk!]

hmmmm no I didn't. Thanks for posting it. This case will drive me insane. It's gotten to the point that I don't believe anyone. All I know as fact is there is a missing little 5 year old girl named Haleigh. I think it's really sad that nothing else is confirmed in this case.

With most cases when there's nothing else to go by, people usually go back to the beginning to see if there's anything that was missed. Heck we can't even do that in this case because even the initial story is supposedly messed up.

So frustrating.

VERY frustrating and so very sad. Where IS Haleigh? :crying:

[odyssey]

TY
Do you know or remember why the dad kicked them out?
:angry: Misty was only 16 at the time.

No, sorry, i don't know why. I only know that because of a post on a myspace she made to her cousin brandon

jmoo

[TaraCrazyHair]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

Scroll down

Sorry put this on the wrong ? of yours. But hey you got the link now. lol


Where do they get 10:30?

LE says 7:00 PM - 3:27 AM?

How did Kim P. clear 7:00 - 10:30 PM?

TIA!

[doctor_J]

First of all if brown recluse spiders live in the woods, why are we warned to watch for them in dark, seldom used places in our homes?

Second I heard dry leaves rustling throughout most of the video. Didn't sound like "sucking mud" to me..

Third, besides "Cobra", the guy running the camera (his son) was also with Ms Neves.

How on earth do two grown men...one with a movie camera....'lose' a woman in white t-shirt and white jeans?

Me thinks "Cobra" is a snake.

Methinks so too!

[teresa]

NO!!

Have not gotten that far back yet!


I need and want more info?

Where did they allegedly find this at?

And LE threatened them? Seriously??

Here is the link. It's almost midway down the page.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

[aproudmom]

hmmmm no I didn't. Thanks for posting it. This case will drive me insane. It's gotten to the point that I don't believe anyone. All I know as fact is there is a missing little 5 year old girl named Haleigh. I think it's really sad that nothing else is confirmed in this case.

With most cases when there's nothing else to go by, people usually go back to the beginning to see if there's anything that was missed. Heck we can't even do that in this case because even the initial story is supposedly messed up.

So frustrating.

ITA this case is getting more and more strange by the day

[TaraCrazyHair]

First of all if brown recluse spiders live in the woods, why are we warned to watch for them in dark, seldom used places in our homes?

Second I heard dry leaves rustling throughout most of the video. Didn't sound like "sucking mud" to me..

Third, besides "Cobra", the guy running the camera (his son) was also with Ms Neves.

How on earth do two grown men...one with a movie camera....'lose' a woman in white t-shirt and white jeans?

Me thinks "Cobra" is a snake.

I was bit by a brown recluse years ago when I was 12 in the wide open sunshine in Ohio (on the face) from tree climbing

Not native to Ohio at that time at all .. very bad experience

They can be almost anywhere I suppose but they are mostly found in dark spots

Can't explain the mud part ... got me there

I have yet to see the video though ...

Just reading the text

[Leather&Lace]

Just enter in powerful psychic readings and click on that link.
Then go to the left side and click on Haleigh Cummings.
Then read down that page and go down further to click on the other readings.
Sorry maybe someone else could post the actual link.
:unsure:I know it is several days ago.


I finally found the site. Just one vision by this physic then. ummm
Comments on the site were interesting.
TY

[TaraCrazyHair]

Here is the link. It's almost midway down the page.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php


That is the oddest thing!

Why would anyone tell a family member searching for a loved one to stop?

Hampering an investigation that has already stopped all searches?

I am sorry but I do not get that at all!

[Leather&Lace]

That is the oddest thing!

Why would anyone tell a family member searching for a loved one to stop?

Hampering an investigation that has already stopped all searches?

I am sorry but I do not get that at all!

I don't get it at all either!
The only thing I could think of was if LE thought this was a revenge kidnapping (for whatever reason). Maybe LE thinks it would be dangerous for the family.

Don't know but curious!
As a family member, I'd be sitting in the lead detective's office asking WHY! They would be sick of me I can tell you that.

I cannot search.
The public cannot search.
LE is not searching.
WHY?

[aproudmom]

Tara, that's the one I'm really hoping for. I don't know if you saw the link a few pages back but TJ Hart says Cobra and Crystal's dad searched and found a sheet or blanket with some blood on it. I don't know if it is connected but LE supposedly threatened them with arrest for interfering. There are internet rumors of other things being found with the blanket but I don't know if it's true.

If this is true why are they not coming to the media? I would if it is the truth by gosh would anyone even LE tell me I could not search for my child one call to the media may get that taken care of IMO

also I just seen the record of RC which is a fact not a rumor so I think it is fine to say since crystal has been outed for all her wrong doings and some think crystals is bad he just got off of alot of stuff IMO

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php
Very bottom:confused:

[Riverwalk!]

First of all if brown recluse spiders live in the woods, why are we warned to watch for them in dark, seldom used places in our homes?

Second I heard dry leaves rustling throughout most of the video. Didn't sound like "sucking mud" to me..

Third, besides "Cobra", the guy running the camera (his son) was also with Ms Neves.

How on earth do two grown men...one with a movie camera....'lose' a woman in white t-shirt and white jeans?

Me thinks "Cobra" is a snake.

AND inept! He let a middle age granny lose him in the woods, yet we were led to believe he's the big bad bounty hunter (that brings in terrorists and bail jumpers) but gets snookered by a granny?

Cobra/Art's stories change with the wind, but Haleigh is still missing. :crying:

[Leather&Lace]

Maybe thats the snake Ms Neves saw before she ran?

I'm surprised Ms Neves wasn't shot in all that white by a poacher hunting white tail deer out of season.

I live way-y-y out in the sticks.... and everyone knows you don't wear white into the woods if you value your life. :biggrin:

She has got to be so grief stricken as to be thinking unclearly (is that a word?).


OMG, I will remember that if I ever go in the woods. No white!
And, those beautiful white tail deer. Awe.
Thanks for that tip!

[teresa]

Didn't T.J. Hart say that Staubs SAID he and Sheffield searched and found blah, blah, blah?? I would have to go back but I don't think he reported it happened but that Staubs said it happened. :rolleyes:

Yes, but Kim P said "her investigators" found the blanket or sheet. I assume that is Cobra but I don't know who the second one is unless it is his son, Crystal's dad or the Anthony PI who is said by some to be there.

I would keep the dog-fighting Mr. Sheffield far away from any searches. I don't trust him any more than I do Cousin Joe.

[doctor_J]

AND inept! He let a middle age granny lose him in the woods, yet we were led to believe he's the big bad bounty hunter (that brings in terrorists and bail jumpers) but gets snookered by a granny?

Cobra/Art's stories change with the wind, but Haleigh is still missing. :crying:

But he'll have the case closed VERY SOON!:sneaky:

[Riverwalk!]

Where do they get 10:30?

LE says 7:00 PM - 3:27 AM?

How did Kim P. clear 7:00 - 10:30 PM?

TIA!

Heck if I know.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I don't get it at all either!
The only thing I could think of was if LE thought this was a revenge kidnapping (for whatever reason). Maybe LE thinks it would be dangerous for the family.

Don't know but curious!
As a family member, I'd be sitting in the lead detective's office asking WHY! They would be sick of me I can tell you that.

I cannot search.
The public cannot search.
LE is not searching.
WHY?

Only thing I can think of is maybe LE does have a working scenario but it states a low ranking officer .... not a high ranking officer involved?

They would not be able to stop me with out good reason!


As far as tampering with evidence ... if the area is not cordoned off ... how is it evidence?

[Riverwalk!]

But he'll have the case closed VERY SOON!:sneaky:

Yeah right. I've been hearing that since he got there and I'm tired of hearing how he's not sleeping. Need a teeny tiny violin!:ohmy:

[odyssey]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Asked-Not-To-Search-For-Haleigh/vIZNm345KUKnF43W8hC_OQ.cspx

"Organizers with the search group have said sheriff’s officers told them not to look in areas because of the dangers. They said outside of the wildlife, other illegal activity going on in the woods could pose a problem for the volunteers. Officers also told the searchers if they did find any evidence, they could contaminate the scene and the evidence would be useless."

[teresa]

That is the oddest thing!

Why would anyone tell a family member searching for a loved one to stop?

Hampering an investigation that has already stopped all searches?

I am sorry but I do not get that at all!

Well, I don't know but both "sides" seem to be guessing that LE may know what the truth is and they don't want anyone messing up their investigation. Someone with a vested interest like Mr. Sheffield could taint the evidence in any trial.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Heck if I know.

Me either!

I sure would love to know!!

And this is Crystal's lawyer, right?

Weird

Did LE tell her something they did not tell anyone else?

(I want to know how they cleared 7:00 PM - 10:30PM!!!)

[doctor_J]

:crying:You're welcome.
Another tip?
"Hunter Orange" cap, vest....something....the bigger the better...if you go into the woods..

In all seriousness, she probably doesn't care if a hunter takes her out right now.

[Riverwalk!]

Yes, but Kim P said "her investigators" found the blanket or sheet. I assume that is Cobra but I don't know who the second one is unless it is his son, Crystal's dad or the Anthony PI who is said by some to be there.

I would keep the dog-fighting Mr. Sheffield far away from any searches. I don't trust him any more than I do Cousin Joe.

Second PI is Dominic Casey from the Casey Anthony case. Ugh.

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

[TaraCrazyHair]

Well, I don't know but both "sides" seem to be guessing that LE may know what the truth is and they don't want anyone messing up their investigation. Someone with a vested interest like Mr. Sheffield could taint the evidence in any trial.



Then LE has two choices to protect their investigation

A) Follow all family members

B) Yellow tape the areas

(shrug)

Otherwise -- it is a free for all and LE is screwed if it comes to trial

[doctor_J]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Asked-Not-To-Search-For-Haleigh/vIZNm345KUKnF43W8hC_OQ.cspx

"Organizers with the search group have said sheriff’s officers told them not to look in areas because of the dangers. They said outside of the wildlife, other illegal activity going on in the woods could pose a problem for the volunteers. Officers also told the searchers if they did find any evidence, they could contaminate the scene and the evidence would be useless."

If this was the real reason, there is reason to never search for anyone at any time. Surely the 5 investigators assigned to the case could supervise.

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Volunteers-Asked-Not-To-Search-For-Haleigh/vIZNm345KUKnF43W8hC_OQ.cspx

"Organizers with the search group have said sheriff’s officers told them not to look in areas because of the dangers. They said outside of the wildlife, other illegal activity going on in the woods could pose a problem for the volunteers. Officers also told the searchers if they did find any evidence, they could contaminate the scene and the evidence would be useless."

Same thing I said earlier. We ALL want Haleigh found but we also want those or him/her brought to justice. IF the searchers find something and then pick it up/move it without a CSI-type person to take the evidence into custody it will be all for naught.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Same thing I said earlier. We ALL want Haleigh found but we also want those or him/her brought to justice. IF the searchers find something and then pick it up/move it without a CSI-type person to take the evidence into custody it will be all for naught.



What about the meter reader in the Caylee case?

Is that case all for naught?

People look, people search ..

Usually the only time LE asks family members not to search is to protect them ... but I guess that is during organized searches

I have never heard LE tell family not to search on their own

Seriously

[teresa]

Second PI is Dominic Casey from the Casey Anthony case. Ugh.

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

So that is true, huh? We have some real winners here. IF LE has any idea what happened, they probably want these guys far away.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Maybe they are waiting for someone to lead them right to the meth lab/shed? It's the only illegal activity in the woods I can think of besides poaching and growing dope.
Where is this child? She must be dead by now unless this was an orchestrated event.



I think you have hit the nail right on the head

Poor thing is already dead or this was orchestrated and they never thought it would get this big

Hopefully number two .... which is possible and the reason behind will come to light soon

But sadly more than likely the first and then we need to learn by whose hands


(sigh)

[teresa]

What did I miss? Why does Mr Sheffield have a vested interest in this case? Did something else crazy happen?

For instance, if he found something that implicated RC, he is Crystal's dad and has been involved in their custody battles. It would be the same if GG Sykes found something that pointed to Crystal. From the very first, Mr. Sheffield said he and his brother wanted to search and LE wouldn't let them.

[Leather&Lace]

What about the meter reader in the Caylee case?

Is that case all for naught?

People look, people search ..

Usually the only time LE asks family members not to search is to protect them ... but I guess that is during organized searches

I have never heard LE tell family not to search on their own

Seriously

Really, seriously.
If no one looks and no one finds then how the heck is LE suppose to tape off a crime scene? LE is not searching either!
I still don't get it.
If the woods are that dangerous with meth labs, wild life and the such then I say it is PAST time for the woods to get cleaned out.

MOO

[Riverwalk!]

ITA! I don't think I have ever heard LE ask folks not to search :confused:

Yes they do all the time. You can read our board here about the Missing

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10

LE's responsibility is #1 to find the person; #2 put a case together and hopefully get a conviction. Civilians tend to go off the deep end (rightly so for a family member and understandable, but still a problem for LE) and hurts the case. Ron went with Tim Miller of TES to search for Haleigh. Tim has a great rapport with most LE and he would never have let Ron search with him if LE didn't OK those searches.

JMO.

[doctor_J]

FWIW (zip, I know) --- I think LE does not want THIS GROUP searching. It's the Sheffield group lead by KP and W. Staubs. Their intentions have been on public display as less than honourable.

It's a little like letting the Hatfields search for evidence against the McCoy's.

I still think finding the child has priority to preserving evidence, but any reasonable search would do both. Is the sheriff too busy to let anyone supervise? This is certainly not his only case but we're talking 1 day out of the last 15.

[Leather&Lace]

I sure hope that Crystal's team bringing in the PI's and mud slinging that it has not interfered with people searching for this baby.

It is understandable that LE would not want the families out there planting evidence as part of a War of the Roses!

Frustrating. I really hope there is a break in this case soon.
I just believe that little Haleigh has been dead since the night she went missing and yes it is time to bring the one(s) responsible to justice.
JMO

[Leather&Lace]

Yes they do all the time. You can read our board here about the Missing

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10

LE's responsibility is #1 to find the person; #2 put a case together and hopefully get a conviction. Civilians tend to go off the deep end (rightly so for a family member and understandable, but still a problem for LE) and hurts the case. Ron went with Tim Miller of TES to search for Haleigh. Tim has a great rapport with most LE and he would never have let Ron search with him if LE didn't OK those searches.

JMO.

It is true that LE wants to lead investigations. The part I do not understand is why they do not lead another ground search if there are volunteers that want to search.
Why say no to a search if they (LE) do not know the where abouts of Haleigh.

Obviously LE has a theory and most likely know it would be a waste of time.
I'm still floored that Caylee was right down the street from her home.
No one found her until a meter reader kept going on his gut feeling.
JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yes they do all the time. You can read our board here about the Missing

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10

LE's responsibility is #1 to find the person; #2 put a case together and hopefully get a conviction. Civilians tend to go off the deep end (rightly so for a family member and understandable, but still a problem for LE) and hurts the case. Ron went with Tim Miller of TES to search for Haleigh. Tim has a great rapport with most LE and he would never have let Ron search with him if LE didn't OK those searches.

JMO.

From all I know is that searches by family or otherwise not conducted by LE is ONLY because the results of the search may not be admissible in Court

But they never really say not to look and search

IF LE is telling them to stop -- then LE has good reason

Now ... LE needs to say why?

What are they NOT saying?

That is the big question here

[Riverwalk!]

What about the meter reader in the Caylee case?

Is that case all for naught?

People look, people search ..

Usually the only time LE asks family members not to search is to protect them ... but I guess that is during organized searches

I have never heard LE tell family not to search on their own

Seriously

Roy Kronk, the meter reader that found Caylee, has been slimed from all over the internet, defense attorneys, TH and by some posters. Lenny has said he's in some sort of Daisy Chain that links Roy back to Casey. Roy's attorney has sent a cease and desist letter about Lenny's mouth, to no avail. No good deed goes unpunished and on the stand it will get ugly by Casey's defense team. IMO.

SERIOUSLY family members are told DO NOT SEARCH. Think about that for a few minutes and the ramifications of find something or anything. How'd you know the body was there? How did you know that evidence was there? etc.

JMO

[Riverwalk!]

From all I know is that searches by family or otherwise not conducted by LE is ONLY because the results of the search may not be admissible in Court

But they never really say not to look and search

IF LE is telling them to stop -- then LE has good reason

Now ... LE needs to say why?

What are they NOT saying?

That is the big question here

Okay. Think what you wish. Done with this.

[Riverwalk!]

It is true that LE wants to lead investigations. The part I do not understand is why they do not lead another ground search if there are volunteers that want to search.
Why say no to a search if they (LE) do not know the where abouts of Haleigh.

Obviously LE has a theory and most likely know it would be a waste of time.
I'm still floored that Caylee was right down the street from her home.
No one found her until a meter reader kept going on his gut feeling.
JMO

Search where? Seems to me (IMO) LE has no clue where to look for a live or a dead Haleigh. Like sooooooooo many, she may just not be found. I hope that's not true. I pray she's alive somewhere. :unsure:

MOO.

[doctor_J]

Roy Kronk, the meter reader that found Caylee, has been slimed from all over the internet, defense attorneys, TH and by some posters. Lenny has said he's in some sort of Daisy Chain that links Roy back to Casey. Roy's attorney has sent a cease and desist letter about Lenny's mouth, to no avail. No good deed goes unpunished and on the stand it will get ugly by Casey's defense team. IMO.

SERIOUSLY family members are told DO NOT SEARCH. Think about that for a few minutes and the ramifications of find something or anything. How'd you know the body was there? How did you know that evidence was there? etc.

JMO


I understand this completely. What is the alternative?
She's never found.
She's found by accident, (Roy Kronk).

The finder will be slimed by the defense no matter what.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Okay. Think what you wish. Done with this.



No need to be snarky

I think we are all on the same page here

Most of us anyway


But if LE has stopped searching 7 weeks into this ... who are they to tell family/friends not to look?

LE has no more organized searches ongoing!

It is not the same as when it is a fresh disappearance

Rules change

Correct??!

[Themis]

READ the text under the video of MISTI... that's the first "tale" by Art and Cobra on 3/17 about the walk in the woods. Totally changed text on the other link: http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/#more-1387

YES the vids work still, all of them on my computer and with my browsers.
Reference post 827 by Riverwalk

Yes, Riverwalk, the almost total switch-a-roo between the 2 versions by the same people (Staubs & Harris) is, once again, inexplicable.

Is there something in Florida's water that makes these people contradict themselves on a continual basis?

Appreciate them and their efforts or not -- can you imagine what LE has had to contend with in questioning all those involved? Particularly when one takes into account they have different officers/detectives interviewing them...maybe the same person days apart by different detectives. Picture it: the 2 detectives discussing their interviews with the same person; comparing notes. If this wasn't all so tragic I'd be laughing.

Thank you, Riverwalk, for bring these 2 quite different versions to our attention. :thumbsup:

P.S. Early this morning I referred to Cobra's son (the cameraman) as Michael. I was wrong. I apologize. Cobra's son is named Matthew.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Roy Kronk, the meter reader that found Caylee, has been slimed from all over the internet, defense attorneys, TH and by some posters. Lenny has said he's in some sort of Daisy Chain that links Roy back to Casey. Roy's attorney has sent a cease and desist letter about Lenny's mouth, to no avail. No good deed goes unpunished and on the stand it will get ugly by Casey's defense team. IMO.

SERIOUSLY family members are told DO NOT SEARCH. Think about that for a few minutes and the ramifications of find something or anything. How'd you know the body was there? How did you know that evidence was there? etc.

JMO


To be totally honest with you -- once the meter reader found the body I was done with following that case until trial because he was too coincidental to me

I did not care to say he was involved since he COULD be completely innocent yet my instincts were otherwise based on his previous reports

So I have walked away from that case ... but I have my suspicions

But did he damage the trial?

Searching on his own because it was not a " oops, look what I found!" type thing by any means

MOO

[Leather&Lace]

Search where? Seems to me (IMO) LE has no clue where to look for a live or a dead Haleigh. Like sooooooooo many, she may just not be found. I hope that's not true. I pray she's alive somewhere. :unsure:

MOO.

If LE has no idea then more reason to grid off the area and continue to search.

It is a real possibility that Haleigh may never be found.

The one thing I do not understand from the many people I admire that search is the "short" time they spend actually searching! Sorry and don't mean to step on toes but they go in, search for a day or two and then take off. I know they have other cases but seems to me more time should be committed per case.
JMO

[doctor_J]

To be totally honest with you -- once the meter reader found the body I was done with following that case until trial because he was too coincidental to me

I did not care to say he was involved since he COULD be completely innocent yet my instincts were otherwise based on his previous reports

So I have walked away from that case ... but I have my suspicions

But did he damage the trial?

Searching on his own because it was not a " oops, look what I found!" type thing by any means

MOO

I think you just made Riverwalk's point.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think you just made Riverwalk's point.



Not really to me and that is ok

But that may be because I am really tired and this case is nothing but circles

No real truths ... no real falsehoods

Just a merry go round without a brass ring

Until LE speaks loud and clear ... it is a guessing game

On that note ... I am headed to bed with all due respect to all posters here even if i do not agree on each point

This is just so frustrating because I think at least for now somebody is getting away with something

Hopefully not for much longer

[boo]

Roy Kronk, the meter reader that found Caylee, has been slimed from all over the internet, defense attorneys, TH and by some posters. Lenny has said he's in some sort of Daisy Chain that links Roy back to Casey. Roy's attorney has sent a cease and desist letter about Lenny's mouth, to no avail. No good deed goes unpunished and on the stand it will get ugly by Casey's defense team. IMO.

SERIOUSLY family members are told DO NOT SEARCH. Think about that for a few minutes and the ramifications of find something or anything. How'd you know the body was there? How did you know that evidence was there? etc.

JMO

My brother was missing and presumed murdered. LE would not help us look, so we (my mother and I) looked by ourselves. By the grace of God, after 3 weeks of searching, we unearthed enough of him to know we had found him.

Yes, we were detained and questioned for about an hour and then we were brought back to the scene, where we stayed throughout the night, while they sifted and searched the dirt.

My point is, if nobody is looking outside the family, it is impossible (I believe) to just sit there and do nothing. I can't imagine never finding a missing loved one "out there". I pray for Beth Holloway every night and hope some day she gets to bring her precious daughter home.

[Themis]

I think you just made Riverwalk's point.
Exactly, Doctor_J. Tara just made Riverwalk's point.

[boo]

WOW........I am so sorry for your loss. Did they find who did it?

Yes, 2 brothers did it and later plead guilty to second degree murder. We did very well actually. Sentenced 17 years to life (both) and they've been in 27 years. I have parole hearings for both in the next month.

Sorry to go off topic, but when you have a missing loved one out there, the family will do anything to bring them home... including, searching themselves.

Thank you, TreeTree :wub:

[Mayasmimi]

Roy Kronk, the meter reader that found Caylee, has been slimed from all over the internet, defense attorneys, TH and by some posters. Lenny has said he's in some sort of Daisy Chain that links Roy back to Casey. Roy's attorney has sent a cease and desist letter about Lenny's mouth, to no avail. No good deed goes unpunished and on the stand it will get ugly by Casey's defense team. IMO.

SERIOUSLY family members are told DO NOT SEARCH. Think about that for a few minutes and the ramifications of find something or anything. How'd you know the body was there? How did you know that evidence was there? etc.

JMO


Never thought about that...but makes total sense. Still....how can a parent not search? If I were in this position I'd be more concerned with finding my baby, than what someone might say about it later. Someone needs to find this baby. The truth is the truth.

[Mayasmimi]

My brother was missing and presumed murdered. LE would not help us look, so we (my mother and I) looked by ourselves. By the grace of God, after 3 weeks of searching, we unearthed enough of him to know we had found him.

Yes, we were detained and questioned for about an hour and then we were brought back to the scene, where we stayed throughout the night, while they sifted and searched the dirt.

My point is, if nobody is looking outside the family, it is impossible (I believe) to just sit there and do nothing. I can't imagine never finding a missing loved one "out there". I pray for Beth Holloway every night and hope some day she gets to bring her precious daughter home.

So very sorry about your brother. In my opinion...yall did the right thing. Right is right. If yall had not looked....he may never have been found.

If Haleigh was my baby....you bet your behind I would never, ever stop looking. Nor would my family. Something is very wrong here. IMO...a stranger did not take her. I just don't believe it. When I say stranger I mean not a stranger to Daddy and new Mommy.

[Mayasmimi]

K then. Hate when we in AZ are back on CA time. Rest well. I never, ever get here early enough to talk with folks on the east coast (southerners in particular). Just finished up work 45 mins ago. Geesh....I work too much. Maybe tomorrow. XO

[forensicfan]

Roy Kronk, the meter reader that found Caylee, has been slimed from all over the internet, defense attorneys, TH and by some posters. Lenny has said he's in some sort of Daisy Chain that links Roy back to Casey. Roy's attorney has sent a cease and desist letter about Lenny's mouth, to no avail. No good deed goes unpunished and on the stand it will get ugly by Casey's defense team. IMO.

SERIOUSLY family members are told DO NOT SEARCH. Think about that for a few minutes and the ramifications of find something or anything. How'd you know the body was there? How did you know that evidence was there? etc.

JMO

Good point! I also am under the impression that LE does not want people to search on their own (in ANY case, not just this one) for fear of possible evidence being trampled on or inadvertently moved from the scene such the as the alleged cloth with blood on it that Crystal's attorney (or whomever it was) gave to LE.

[forensicfan]

Yes, 2 brothers did it and later plead guilty to second degree murder. We did very well actually. Sentenced 17 years to life (both) and they've been in 27 years. I have parole hearings for both in the next month.

Sorry to go off topic, but when you have a missing loved one out there, the family will do anything to bring them home... including, searching themselves.

Thank you, TreeTree :wub:

I'm sorry for your loss too Boo. I also would find it almost impossible NOT to search myself for a loved one but I also understand the reasoning behind LE not wanting unorganized searches going on. I'm glad the SOB's were caught in the case of your loved one.

[sleuth]

starving hogs will eat a body, I saw it in a movie once. hogs are mean and they are always hungry. I'm too fainthearted to follow this line of thought......bleah

As far as pigs goes, yes, they are sometimes kept in underground pens...a person digs a trench-like hole about 4 ft by 4ft with steep sides. The pigs can't get out and it saves money by not needing a fence, it also keeps neighbors from complaining about hog pens since they are well hidden. After the pigs are in, then a board or two are places on top with some brush so it is hidden unless you walk up on it. Kids have been known to accidently fall through into the pen but usuallly the only danger is if a pig is really big and rolls over on the kid. Pigs eat corn and any left over food (frequently called slops) and the confined area keeps the pigs from exercising so they fatten up faster...therefore better pork.
Now when the owner wants the pig out, they just dig a slant on one sides of the pen and spread food (any left over food will do) and the pig will walk up the ramp following the food...of course the ramp has to be at a low angle since pigs do have short legs in relation to their body mass.
I hope this clears up the mystery of the underground pig pen.

[MoonFlwr]

:rose: So sorry to hear about your tragedy, boo! :sad:

Hope for Haleigh :wub:

[aproudmom]

My brother was missing and presumed murdered. LE would not help us look, so we (my mother and I) looked by ourselves. By the grace of God, after 3 weeks of searching, we unearthed enough of him to know we had found him.

Yes, we were detained and questioned for about an hour and then we were brought back to the scene, where we stayed throughout the night, while they sifted and searched the dirt.

My point is, if nobody is looking outside the family, it is impossible (I believe) to just sit there and do nothing. I can't imagine never finding a missing loved one "out there". I pray for Beth Holloway every night and hope some day she gets to bring her precious daughter home.

boo
I am just reading up and wanted to tell you how sorry I am about your brother I can not even imagine what I would or could do if I was in those shoes. I am sorry and will keep you in my prayers as I do all these families.

I am happy you did not give up and I don't know why LE would want all searches to be stopped if they are done searching then they need to start talking or hush up and allow search teams even if it is not family members. JMO

[Former Juror]

Yes, 2 brothers did it and later plead guilty to second degree murder. We did very well actually. Sentenced 17 years to life (both) and they've been in 27 years. I have parole hearings for both in the next month.

Sorry to go off topic, but when you have a missing loved one out there, the family will do anything to bring them home... including, searching themselves.

Thank you, TreeTree :wub:

I am so sorry for your loss. I posted a few days ago that I have a missing family member, and you are so right. The search continues......with or without LE.

[aproudmom]

I am so sorry for your loss. I posted a few days ago that I have a missing family member, and you are so right. The search continues......with or without LE.

I am sorry to hear that I will keep you in my prayers the not knowing would be horrible:sad:

[aproudmom]

Are we doing a Saturday thread or not dont want to post over here and then a new one get opened I am not sure how to do it or I would...TIA if anyone knows

Good Morning all

[Pag Boi]

First of all if brown recluse spiders live in the woods, why are we warned to watch for them in dark, seldom used places in our homes?

Second I heard dry leaves rustling throughout most of the video. Didn't sound like "sucking mud" to me..

Third, besides "Cobra", the guy running the camera (his son) was also with Ms Neves.

How on earth do two grown men...one with a movie camera....'lose' a woman in white t-shirt and white jeans?

Me thinks "Cobra" is a snake.


Did Cobra's camman ever pan the 'underground hog pen' or whatever they called it? TIA The one video that I suffered thru didn't roll there.

[Former Juror]

Are we doing a Saturday thread or not dont want to post over here and then a new one get opened I am not sure how to do it or I would...TIA if anyone knows

Good Morning all

There will be a Saturday thread. Someone just needs to start it. :)

[MoonFlwr]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=351031

Saturday thread.

[Ialwayswonda]

May all of those around Haliegh today be inwardly aware that this world requires answers and consequences. This precious child is definitely some where that she neither wants to be in nor deserves to be in.
I don't want to trash anyone especially since I don't know what happened to this girl. Just the average girl from a working-class family. There is even proof of bad decisions and acts on both sides of this family. As well as few good family members and community organizations.
I am very worried about this little girl, especially as Easter approaches.
>this was gleaned from the prediction of the finding of Haleigh very near to Easter, on Powerful Psychic Readings (Cummings).
There is no room in this world for the resting of child abusers or of child killers. None whatsoever.
Let's hope that the news comes out on television, as it has now begun to flood through the Palatka area.....Ronald set up methamphetamine labs (really just crappy places w/nasty chemicals) that belonged to his tweaker friends just so that he could get the local drug task force off of his own back. Don't ask me for a link....this is an OPINION of many who do know him well and that is all.
The trailer that TeresaN brought Cobra up to was very interesting. Wonder what would have happened had his son not been filming and had the dad not been armed. Cobra should leave this area.
Hogs eat anything. From watermellon rhines to left over cantaloupe to greens to table scraps. My Grandparents' hogs were almost evil, lol. He always showed us the tusks that they had and said that they could bite an arm off, especially if they had little piglets with them at the time. My dad only has two fingers on his one hand because of a "tame" hog his family had for years. Until they ate it! LOL!
Pot belly pigs are very different and much easier to control.

There is a nasty storm growing here this morning. Something, IMHO, is known by LE and Monday will not come withhout the body discovery and the full truth. Life is just the pits when you know you are going to jail for life, if not to die there.
Justice will be done. Since Haleigh sleeps now she, IMHO, is trying to tell us all something.

JMOO


[/I]

In my very own and most honest belief, Misty Croslin must know what happened to this precious one. I say, this is only my own belief. And Ronald seems like someone who could badger someone to the point of surrender. However, the police are talking to his buds now and even those that have possibly been watching him while he was watching the "others", now realize his self absorption and total like of any real emotions. I do not think that anyone on any side of this case has been totally truthful. Ron got caught with meth. The trailer in this Art Harris interview was being lived in. This is more than likely a meth lab.

Teresa should not go back to the woods alone.
Someone out there would love to hurt her.
She doesn't deserve it.
She doesn't know what else to do.
She knows that Ron and Misty are into this very deeply.
She knows that she can never smile again without thinking about Haleigh and her smile.
She should be brave and realize that many many of us have been thru such experiences. No kidding. But she needs to have the body found to complete the stages of grieving, and then she can think clearly.

Today will probably be the day that they will begin to find remains.
JMO and the sun is coming up here. The upstairs windows are open and letting the wind come thru, with the promises of spring to come and new life. Meanwhile my very elderly parents were ready to retire.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN until someone literally beats the crap off of you just to come up with nothing. No money in that account.
Ron, man-up and date a woman your own age.
Misty---tell what you know, for a little princess's future!
Chrystal--not that I don't care, but please have your abuse allegations ready with the absolute proof.

I don't have a clue. Was her "smaller" pillow really missing? TIA and peaceful thoughts towards this common ground...until this munchkin girlie comes home!