Friday , March 27, 2009 [Archive] - Page 2

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 04:23 PM

Feral hogs/pigs are wild. They are not domesticated like cattle or sheep.

No. IMO, they were most like talking about a hog "trap"; used to bait the feral animal into an enclosure.

jmo

That could certainly explain the underground pen....

Didn't know there were wild hogs in Flordia..

Thanks, Now I can quit looking...

Owlface

03-27-2009, 04:25 PM

IMO you did not "bash" misty. Seems to me some on this board cannot distinguish between a poster voicing their suspicions about misty and a bash.

I totally second that opinion.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 04:26 PM

ok ok but I guarantee that if I ever come across a pen full of hogs, above ground or underground I am not jumping in to pet them

If you ever come across a pen full of hogs, I guarantee you won't stay around very long!!! They are very smelly. It is one of the worst smells there is. Course that was in the old days on a small farm. A few years ago, we visited some friends who had a hog farm. They would not let us go near the pens - said we could give the hogs a disease. The pens had concrete floors and were kept very clean. JMO

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 04:27 PM

Yes, I do know what you mean. I do not know why hog pens are underground. We were talking about this earlier and the only think I can think of is to keep the hogs cool. But then someone else brought up, how do the hogs get out? I feel bad for the hogs if they are kept this way. I tried googling this and I can only find how to build pig pens, and they are above ground. :smile: I may not be a good googler though.

I don't know if this info was checked out or not.

Pics of some hog pens.

http://metroworld.com.au/images/property/520/7681.jpg

http://www.ari-edu.org/images/arimap/pig_pen.jpg

This is what I think of when I hear hog pen.

imo

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 04:28 PM

Ok I asked yesterday and was told that they are called underground because usually there are several hogs in a single pen, and sometimes you have to separate just one hog to stop them from fighting or for slaughter, so you dig a tunnel that way you can lead the hog out and drop the gate to separate them.
:ohmy:
Someone I think, gave u bad info. No farmer is going to dig a tunnel to get a hog out. They catch him by the ears and tail and throw him out or drag him out. Imagine the labor digging a tunnel and then the work keeping them out of it! They dig their own. They are not raised underground, they would have rickets due to lack of vit D (sunshine).

:smile:

kitty1182

03-27-2009, 04:30 PM

Heaven forbid that I should bash this upstanding teen age girl.

I wish this upstanding teen girl would tell the truth...IMO, she is lying!!

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 04:31 PM

:ohmy:
Someone I think, gave u bad info. No farmer is going to dig a tunnel to get a hog out. They catch him by the ears and tail and throw him out or drag him out. Imagine the labor digging a tunnel and then the work keeping them out of it! They dig their own. They are not raised underground, they would have rickets due to lack of vit D (sunshine).

:smile:

That's funny. Pigs do indeed root in the dirt. Farmers have to be careful they don't dig out of their pens. JMO

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 04:32 PM

ok ok but I guarantee that if I ever come across a pen full of hogs, above ground or underground I am not jumping in to pet them

lol...My Grandpa had hogs when I was a kid. Sometimes I would get brave and feed them....I would get in the pen, with a bucket of "slop" lol I think that's what Grandpa called it. In any event, once you started emptying the bucket, you had to run like crazy or get knocked over...just an fyi from a former farm girl..

Pat

03-27-2009, 04:32 PM

Not to be unsympathetic here but hogs can eat a human, bones and all, and leave little trace.
I pray Haleigh never saw this place in the woods...:crying:

Isn't there a serial killer in Europe that fed all of his victims to the hogs?

There is also a case in Portugal where a brother and sister, involved in an incestuous relationship, murdered the sister's 9 yr-old daughter because she caught them and they were afraid she'd tell her step-father. Both confessed. The brother said they 'cut the child up' and fed her to pigs. IIRC, the police found blood traces in the freezer.

You hear about these terrible crimes against children and you have to acknowlege there really is evil among us.

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 04:32 PM

That's funny. Pigs do indeed root in the dirt. Farmers have to be careful they don't dig out of their pens. JMO

Yes, see my first "pig post". lol

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 04:33 PM

Yeah I learned what feral meant in middle school when i read about a bunch of wild/untamed cats lol
thanks for the idea about it perhaps being a trap .. i guess what throws me off is that the guy is quoted specifically as saying underground hog pens .. right?

jmoo

That's what was said, but I've never heard of underground pens, but I live in Texas with the largest population of feral hogs. I've been at "war" with those hogs for years and years. They will kill calves, fawns, tear up fencing and ruin roads or senderos needed to get to pastures and carry multiple diseases (cholera. tb,etc) http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/nuisance/feral_hogs/#disease

Most folks that "trap" hogs will "bait" with a live one. Their friends come to help. Never heard of them fighting each other except for mating rights. But that's just my opinion and experience.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 04:35 PM

lol...My Grandpa had hogs when I was a kid. Sometimes I would get brave and feed them....I would get in the pen, with a bucket of "slop" lol I think that's what Grandpa called it. In any event, once you started emptying the bucket, you had to run like cracy or get knocked over...just an fyi from a former farm girl..

Yep, slop is it. No need for a garbage disposal. The hogs did that job. If a farmer could afford it, they would buy food for them, but us po' farmers had to use what was available.

I think we have just about o/t enuf about hogs. It is not helping to find Haleigh.

Is there any local news today?

JMO

janesdeaan

03-27-2009, 04:36 PM

Do daddy's physically abuse daddy's little girl?

This was a theory of mine, that Misty may have been jealous of the attention Haleigh got from her dad and resented her for it enough to have done something about it. And, some daddy's have abused their precious little girls, IMO, the ones who have no control of their temper.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 04:36 PM

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 04:38 PM

That could certainly explain the underground pen....

Didn't know there were wild hogs in Flordia..

Thanks, Now I can quit looking...

Florida is second, behind Texas, for the feral hog population in the US.

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 04:39 PM

Do you think they would have tried to eat you if you had been knocked over, or did they just want to snuggle?

Now that we have learned all we care to learn about hogs, did that ex marine in that trailer say that it had already been searched by LE? If not, why not? And how many more places are there that haven't been?

Nahh, I don't think these hogs would have eaten me....lol

I thought Cobra or someone w/him said that the "area" had been searched, yes... Yet, I don't know if they went in the trailer, but I suppose they would.

I think there is a huge Park or Reserve in that area that has been discussed before. It seems like a good place to search....But then, how much area can you search, without a tip?

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 04:41 PM

The whole point of these underground organizations is to hide the children and they do it very well. I am not even going to comment on the rest of that...

I had not thought about that aspect. They will help a parent hide a child. I do not think it happened in this instance, but one never knows. JMO

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 04:42 PM

Florida is second, behind Texas, for the feral hog population in the US.

I had no idea....We have spent several vacations in Florida, so we tend to think of beaches, and Disney World, etc..but not feral hogs..

Interesting..they sound pesky....

crymeariver2006

03-27-2009, 04:43 PM

Do you think they would have tried to eat you if you had been knocked over, or did they just want to snuggle?

Now that we have learned all we care to learn about hogs, did that ex marine in that trailer say that it had already been searched by LE? If not, why not? And how many more places are there that haven't been?

Wait...let me put down my BLT....

Yes, I believe the area had been searched previously at least twice.

Nobody ever mentioned anything about finding any underground hog pens, that I can recall.

JMO

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 04:45 PM

Last night it was posted that no one answered the phone when Haleighbug Hdqs. were called, went to voice message. Anyone know if they are answering the phone today? JMO

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 04:49 PM

Wait...let me put down my BLT....

Yes, I believe the area had been searched previously at least twice.

Nobody ever mentioned anything about finding any underground hog pens, that I can recall.

JMO

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/

"The resident, an ex-Marine, explained the underground “jail” she may have seen were his innocent hog pens."

Pat

03-27-2009, 04:49 PM

Heaven forbid that I should bash this upstanding teen age girl.

I think the board discussion would be smoother if we all just admitted that none of these people are "upstanding". Both Ron and Crystal (and Marie) come to this sad story about Haleigh with a lot of baggage.

Crystal's mistake was making accusations she couldn't back up with proof. The one piece of "proof" (the photographs) she offered has now been discredited.

She would be a very sympathetic character had she kept her accusations off the public airwaves and kept the focus on finding Haleigh. She did herself no favors.

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 04:54 PM

Elle

03-27-2009, 05:02 PM

I asked last nite "Where all the pics of Crystal with Haleigh doing everyday things". I know seeing all the pics of Ron and Haleigh with him being down on the floor, face to face, mugging for the camera just break my heart. Brushing teeth, opening presents, waiting for the school bus, show me a very involved dad. And Yes, I know pics can be misleading. But where are the pics of Haleigh with mom? I kind of got jumped for asking and told they were on the Haleighbug site. Went there but only found 1 pic when she was a small baby. It would help public opinion to post similar pics as those already up with Ron. They could run in the background on NG. I wonder if she ever took any other than of Chloe. If not, why not?

Hi
I would love to see pictures of Crystal and Haleigh frolicking. I don't have many of my mom with me as a little girl, she was always the one taking the pictures. Maybe that's why we have not seen many of Crystal? idk. I do love looking at pictures of Haleigh though, the camera loves her and captures so much vibrancy.

odyssey

03-27-2009, 05:03 PM

I asked last nite "Where all the pics of Crystal with Haleigh doing everyday things". I know seeing all the pics of Ron and Haleigh with him being down on the floor, face to face, mugging for the camera just break my heart. Brushing teeth, opening presents, waiting for the school bus, show me a very involved dad. And Yes, I know pics can be misleading. But where are the pics of Haleigh with mom? I kind of got jumped for asking and told they were on the Haleighbug site. Went there but only found 1 pic when she was a small baby. It would help public opinion to post similar pics as those already up with Ron. They could run in the background on NG. I wonder if she ever took any other than of Chloe. If not, why not?

there were four or so of her with Haleigh and Jr. and one of her with Jr. and Chloe(but not Haleigh) .. she may have more that are not on the computer or something .. i don't know.

kkmiausa

03-27-2009, 05:04 PM

Keeping hogs underground in a pen seems very primitive,inhumane,and unhealthy. I asked my cousin who used to raise hogs for Hormel Inc. and he had never heard of this practice. He felt it would not comply with safety standards for personal or mass raising of food for human consumption. One entire culture already will not eat pork for Biblical teachings-paraphrase: someone took the devil out of somebody and cast the devil into the swine! How bad a rap are we gonna keep laying on hogs! And humans eat more hogs than hogs eat humans! This thread is gonna make me a vegan I swear. I was actually looking forward to porkchops for dinner. Not now!:w00t:

After listening to news today I have a newer theory on what may have happened to Haleigh. Say it is true that Misty had a visitor that night - specifically, white boy Greg. Jr. describes a black man in black who took his sissy with squeaky shoes. There was also something about a bouncing couch. What if Misty put the kids to bed, had Greg over, and Haleigh woke up and walked in on them. She started crying and said she would tell her daddy. Misty panicked afraid Haleigh would tell Ron. She may have done something to Haleigh so she would not tell Ron, fearing Ron's wrath. That is also why I think he knew who it was that took Haleigh and threatened to shoot him in the police car. I think Greg could have taken Haleigh away and disposed of the body. Is this too far fetched?

crymeariver2006

03-27-2009, 05:04 PM

kkmiausa

03-27-2009, 05:05 PM

After listening to news today I have a newer theory on what may have happened to Haleigh. Say it is true that Misty had a visitor that night - specifically, white boy Greg. Jr. describes a black man in black who took his sissy with squeaky shoes. There was also something about a bouncing couch. What if Misty put the kids to bed, had Greg over, and Haleigh woke up and walked in on them. She started crying and said she would tell her daddy. Misty panicked afraid Haleigh would tell Ron. She may have done something to Haleigh so she would not tell Ron, fearing Ron's wrath. That is also why I think he knew who it was that took Haleigh and threatened to shoot him in the police car. I think Greg could have taken Haleigh away and disposed of the body. Is this too far fetched?

I also meant to say I think the hog talk is just a distraction. None of us will be actively looking for Haleigh to be alive until we can rule out this dysfunctional family and no one has been cleared.

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 05:05 PM

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/

"The resident, an ex-Marine, explained the underground “jail” she may have seen were his innocent hog pens."

Wonder who used the word "innocent" the ex marine or Cobra? I called my uncle and ask him about underground pens and he said "What the heck,except the other word, are you talking about? Never heard of such a thing." :lol:

So it might be what you said. For the feral hogs. I don't know. I am still interested in this though. Wouldn't TN know what a hog pen was? She has lived there all her life. Maybe not though.

imo

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 05:07 PM

After listening to news today I have a newer theory on what may have happened to Haleigh. Say it is true that Misty had a visitor that night - specifically, white boy Greg. Jr. describes a black man in black who took his sissy with squeaky shoes. There was also something about a bouncing couch. What if Misty put the kids to bed, had Greg over, and Haleigh woke up and walked in on them. She started crying and said she would tell her daddy. Misty panicked afraid Haleigh would tell Ron. She may have done something to Haleigh so she would not tell Ron, fearing Ron's wrath. That is also why I think he knew who it was that took Haleigh and threatened to shoot him in the police car. I think Greg could have taken Haleigh away and disposed of the body. Is this too far fetched?

That has been my hubby's theory from the very beginning.

imo

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 05:07 PM

I meant nobody that searched talked about finding any hog pens.

Guess I should have been more specific, huh? :wink:

lol. Nothing "reported" by searchers, yet!

odyssey

03-27-2009, 05:09 PM

My guess is that they are pretty common in that area... maybe? So no one felt that it was important enough to mention, but that also raises a question that if they are common in the area wouldn't TN know about them?

I have talked to people who live in and around that area and they have not heard of underground hog pens

jmoo

heidi

03-27-2009, 05:11 PM

:seeya::seeya:I kind of laughed about all the underground hog pen stuff. I'm more country than most of you, or at least was raised that way (then left). If hogs are kept in a pen on dirt they dig deep holes and even tunnels, to stay cool and out of boredom. They also LOVE a pond so they dig their own and wait for rain. You would not believe how extensive these tunnels can get. Eventually the farmer has to move the pen because of them tunneling out. Farmers who can afford it pour concrete. :smile:

Is this about HALEIGH or HOGS.
I am only interested in HALEIGH

odyssey

03-27-2009, 05:13 PM

There's been no new news today. Nothing in my alerts or on other sites. There have been a couple of reposting of news from the last couple of days but that's it.

Is she going to be talked about on any of the shows tonight?

jmoo

odyssey

03-27-2009, 05:17 PM

:seeya::seeya:

Is this about HALEIGH or HOGS.
I am only interested in HALEIGH

I know of other cases where girls were kept in underground bunkers so there is certainly a possibility HALEIGH could be underground, whether a HOG pen or elsewhere. I am interested in finding HALEIGH even if i have to learn about underground HOG pens to do it.

JMOO

cantstandnuts

03-27-2009, 05:18 PM

kkmiausa

03-27-2009, 05:18 PM

:seeya::seeya:

Is this about HALEIGH or HOGS.
I am only interested in HALEIGH

I could not agree MORE!!!

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 05:18 PM

Wonder who used the word "innocent" the ex marine or Cobra? I called my uncle and ask him about underground pens and he said "What the heck,except the other word, are you talking about? Never heard of such a thing." :lol:

So it might be what you said. For the feral hogs. I don't know. I am still interested in this though. Wouldn't TN know what a hog pen was? She has lived there all her life. Maybe not though.

imo

LOL at your uncle. I agree with him. I have never heard of an underground "pen", but that's JMO.

Motomom

03-27-2009, 05:20 PM

I think the board discussion would be smoother if we all just admitted that none of these people are "upstanding". Both Ron and Crystal (and Marie) come to this sad story about Haleigh with a lot of baggage.

Crystal's mistake was making accusations she couldn't back up with proof. The one piece of "proof" (the photographs) she offered has now been discredited.

She would be a very sympathetic character had she kept her accusations off the public airwaves and kept the focus on finding Haleigh. She did herself no favors.

I agree with you Pat. The only good thing to come out of her going public is Haleighs pictures are shown much more than they probably would have been IMO.

Something happened between these two IMO after Crystal and her mother came to Satsuma.. Or maybe after her mother did. At least 2 seperate pictures were posted, one of Crystal comforting Ron and another where Crystal, Ron and Misty were at a vigil and Crystal and Ron have their heads tilted towards each other, grieving together is what it appeared. Then all heck broke loose IMO.

Owlface

03-27-2009, 05:24 PM

After listening to news today I have a newer theory on what may have happened to Haleigh. Say it is true that Misty had a visitor that night - specifically, white boy Greg. Jr. describes a black man in black who took his sissy with squeaky shoes. There was also something about a bouncing couch. What if Misty put the kids to bed, had Greg over, and Haleigh woke up and walked in on them. She started crying and said she would tell her daddy. Misty panicked afraid Haleigh would tell Ron. She may have done something to Haleigh so she would not tell Ron, fearing Ron's wrath. That is also why I think he knew who it was that took Haleigh and threatened to shoot him in the police car. I think Greg could have taken Haleigh away and disposed of the body. Is this too far fetched?

Bolding mine - I had a thought - maybe this is where Misty's protestations of "Haleigh loved me" "Haleigh wanted us to get married" come from. Guilt over a scene just like you described.

teresa

03-27-2009, 05:24 PM

I have a quick question...sorry for o/t...

I can't get the links thread to go past page 9. Anyone know why? I know there are posts since then that I haven't seen, because there's one from this morning by Swarvoski and I haven't seen that. The thread says there are 15 pages. :confused:

I can't get past page 5. I think maybe some of the links to questionable opinion blogs may have been deleted? I'm just guessing. It is weird, though.

Motomom

03-27-2009, 05:25 PM

I know of other cases where girls were kept in underground bunkers so there is certainly a possibility HALEIGH could be underground, whether a HOG pen or elsewhere. I am interested in finding HALEIGH even if i have to learn about underground HOG pens to do it.

JMOO

Good point.. and really, it's Cobra putting this out there for us to talk about. I mean, if you are going to talk about something, might as well educate those not in the know IMO. I learn so much from reading here!!

I know some places are more known for underground areas..caverns things like that I suppose. Is FL known for something like that. Hope I made sense.

The woods are so dense it looks like around there, was there ever a map put out as to what exactly was checked and cleared?

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 05:29 PM

LOL at your uncle. I agree with him. I have never heard of an underground "pen", but that's JMO.

He's a grumpy old man but I love him. :biggrin:

I agree with both of ya. Never heard of them. Wish we had pictures from that search.

imo

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 05:30 PM

I agree with you Pat. The only good thing to come out of her going public is Haleighs pictures are shown much more than they probably would have been IMO.

Something happened between these two IMO after Crystal and her mother came to Satsuma.. Or maybe after her mother did. At least 2 seperate pictures were posted, one of Crystal comforting Ron and another where Crystal, Ron and Misty were at a vigil and Crystal and Ron have their heads tilted towards each other, grieving together is what it appeared. Then all heck broke loose IMO.

The Geraldo Brothers happened.

imo

Motomom

03-27-2009, 05:33 PM

The Geraldo Brothers happen.

imo

What came first the Geraldo bros or the initial accusations? I don't remember... But then Geraldo took it the very next step.. and then some. It's a shame I have to wonder if they couldn't have gotton along better without the interference or the push to do what was done.

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 05:34 PM

He's a grumpy old man but I love him. :biggrin:

I agree with both of ya. Never heard of them. Wish we had pictures from that search.

imo

Someone was filming this "event". I wonder why they didn't film the "innocent" underground hog pens?

Anyone remember the kidnapping in Chowchilla Ca. in the 70's? A school bus driver and 20+ kids were kept in an underground bunker until the driver dug his way out to get help.

heidi

03-27-2009, 05:37 PM

:rose:::tonguewag: It could be about keeping a thread active with discussions that seem off topic to you but may spawn intelligent theories ,like the theory/scenario posted with my post quoted. When there is no news I think, unless it is a personal attack, we are allowed to digress at points and hopefully generate/encourage new ideas,clarification, new posters. Do you keep goats heidi? MO

EXCUSE ME!
I am a grown woman and not here to address petty things,so CHILDISH
:seeya:
Why would a grown person ask if I have goats ?

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 05:38 PM

What came first the Geraldo bros or the initial accusations? I don't remember... But then Geraldo took it the very next step.. and then some. It's a shame I have to wonder if they couldn't have gotton along better without the interference or the push to do what was done.

Didn't Geraldo break the story first with his visit to Satsuma. I recall earlier in the week, prior to the broadcast, there was a teaser about shocking new information or something like that...

I could be wrong, but I think that's what happened? imo

edit...NO, I'm wrong. I think the accusations came first and Geraldo's shocking news was the picure...

Motomom

03-27-2009, 05:40 PM

Didn't Geraldo break the story first with his visit to Satsuma. I recall earlier in the week, prior to the broadcast, there was a teaser about shocking new information or something like that...

I could be wrong, but I think that's what happened? imo

I can't remember.. maybe that's how it did happen. I'm thinking though that it started with Crystal and marie on NG..and took off from there.. Geraldo got a whiff.. and here we are.

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 05:42 PM

I can't remember.. maybe that's how it did happen. I'm thinking though that it started with Crystal and marie on NG..and took off from there.. Geraldo got a whiff.. and here we are.

I edited my post....I think accusations, then Geraldo got involved with the picture of Haleigh...

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 05:48 PM

I edited my post....I think accusations, then Geraldo got involved with the picture of Haleigh...

I do remember one night Geraldo said he couldn't show the picture yet. That may have been on BOR.

imo

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 05:51 PM

I do remember one night Geraldo said he couldn't show the picture yet. That may have been on BOR.

imo

yes, because I thought Geraldo was going to show the picture on O'Reilly's show, but they ultimately had to check w/lawyers...

Pat

03-27-2009, 05:54 PM

I can't remember.. maybe that's how it did happen. I'm thinking though that it started with Crystal and marie on NG..and took off from there.. Geraldo got a whiff.. and here we are.

That's exactly how it started, but I'd call it more Marie and Crystal. IIRC, there was discussion on the board about Marie leading the conversation but prompting Crystal to participate. I said then Mother Marie needed to butt out and keep the focus on finding Haleigh instead of pursuing her personal agenda of attacking Cummings.

You know what's really sad? Had Marie not started Crystal down this road, she and Ron could have had some kind of bond which could have benefited Jr....which I think they will need because I don't think the outcome for Haleigh is good. I hope I'm wrong.

For sure the fallout will now be bitterness and acrimony, given the public accusations Crystal has made. Doesn't make for a happy environment for Jr.

odyssey

03-27-2009, 06:07 PM

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134771&catid=295

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 06:16 PM

I am doing background research on BOTH sides of Haleigh's family. None of them are "saints". IMO

This is Crystal's sister and NOTE the name of who she was arrested for battering!

UCN: 542007MM001481XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-04-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, SARA LEVON
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2007-04-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ FILED BY AMBER BROOKS 4-2-07
2007-04-03 1 BATTERY
2007-05-23 2 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2007-05-23 2 AMBER NICOLE BROOKS
2007-06-01 3 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (ALL CTS)

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

ANother thing I have noticed that seems to be common theme is Judge Peter T. Miller.

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 06:20 PM

VERY interesting on who she was charged with battering....

Do you remember when her baby was born?

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 06:26 PM

2boysMom

03-27-2009, 06:29 PM

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 06:32 PM

I don't think I have never called her a horrible neglectful mother. I do think she made mistakes as I do Ron also. But I believe that both of them love their children and would go to extreme measures to do anything in what they perceive as protecting them.

Sorry I am so behind here...SIL called with more drama going on in Ohio...catching up now.Not a problem. I was gone for awhile too, running errands.

I don't recall you saying negative things about Crystal and didn't mean to imply that you did. But I've read things posted here about her like, "she loved drugs more than her kids...she didn't care about her kids...she left her kids...she doesn't feed her kids...blah, blah.

If your theory is right and she had Haleigh abducted, it's certainly disproves the nasty things that have been said about her and her alleged indifference to her kids.

Sharmayla

03-27-2009, 06:35 PM

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 06:37 PM

:rose::

EXCUSE ME!
I am a grown woman and not here to address petty things,so CHILDISH
:seeya:
Why would a grown person ask if I have goats ?

There is a book and a movie about a little girl in Switzerland. There was a boy that was a shepherd for the goats. I can't remember the story offhand at this moments notice. But it is a classic and I think the name is "Heidi". There may be some more words in the title. JMO

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 06:38 PM

I know of other cases where girls were kept in underground bunkers so there is certainly a possibility HALEIGH could be underground, whether a HOG pen or elsewhere. I am interested in finding HALEIGH even if i have to learn about underground HOG pens to do it.

JMOO

Me & you both! If it takes learning about hog pens to find Haleigh alive then so be it.
It would be nothing short of a miracle if Haleigh is found alive. Unfortunately, I don't think that is going to happen. I still think Haleigh's little life was over the same night she went missing.
:crying:

Hope NG is planning to cover the Haleigh case tonight!

MOO

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 06:39 PM

yes, because I thought Geraldo was going to show the picture on O'Reilly's show, but they ultimately had to check w/lawyers...

I think his words were something like, "beaten to a pulp". One would think that would create controversy. Especially after having seen the picture. JMO

teresa

03-27-2009, 06:40 PM

Do you remember when her baby was born?

I think I read April but I don't know that for sure.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 06:41 PM

Hi everyone - I hardly ever post, so hope nobody minds when I add my 2 cents! I wonder what kind of parents Misty has, that she turned out like this. I mean, living with a 25 year old guy, taking care of his kids 24/7, the sex, drugs, and rock & roll, actually MARRYING the guy. She's way too young for all this crap. She reminds me SO MUCH of myself. I feel so sorry for her. JMO

Hi Sharmayla your comments are welcome.

I read not long ago on this board that Misty's dad kicked the kids out of the house. That ought to tell you something about her parents.

I also heard Misty's mom on an interview say one of the reason's she was letting Misty get married was because of the way people were trashing them. :confused:

IMO, Misty has not had much parental supervision or either Misty just does what Misty wants to do.
Maybe a little of both.

MOO
Emme

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 06:41 PM

Does anyone else think that Cobra comes off as a complete AH in the video? Ugh! It hurts me to see TN being the target of suspicion. IMO she is the most sympathetic person in this whole ordeal, aside from sweet Haleigh. She is so obviously suffering, and for people to make snide comments about her and her tearfulness is sad. MOOWhy did she bring Cobra out there?

What was she doing wandering alone in the woods for four hours?

Where was Ron and why wasn't he looking for Haleigh with his mother?

Why did she just disappear and then call Cobra with some lame excuse about a 6 ft snake?

Why didn't she make a sound when she saw the snake so a) someone that was armed could shoot it or b) just to warn them?

Those are the questions I'd like answered about TN and the video with Cobra.

march27

03-27-2009, 06:42 PM

That could certainly explain the underground pen....

Didn't know there were wild hogs in Flordia..

Thanks, Now I can quit looking...

Yeah there are definately wild hogs in rural Florida. We actually had a hog dog that was bred to trap wild hogs. We adopted him from the feed store as a puppy but as he got older he hunted all the animals in the neighborhood...yeah we got rid of him. Definately wild hogs though.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 06:44 PM

I agree. I also think that too many negative things have been said on both sides.

Let's face it, there are negative things on both sides. Right now is not the time for either side to be hashing that out with the media.
Bet :scared:my hair would stand up if I knew the whole truth on either Ron & lifestyle or Crystal & lifestyle.

Where is Haleigh?

MOO
Emme

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 06:44 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Even if it had been checked once, the " land" I think this should be checked out again.

I still can not figure out the actions of TN in that video. It just does not add up, the way she just left Cobra out there????

I did go back and listen to it and he does say something about " someone trying to kill him " not exact wording, but I do NOT beleive that. I do believe something is up, I just can't figure it out.

MOO

I think "Cobra" tends to exaggerate things. Does one really think TN could have run off & left "Cobra" and a cameraman filming the event.

I read somewhere that the licenseing of Hoover & D. Casey lately of CA fame is being questioned. I wonder if that might happen to "Cobra". JMO

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 06:45 PM

I think I read April but I don't know that for sure.

I think I read that somewhere also.

imo

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 06:45 PM

Yeah there are definately wild hogs in rural Florida. We actually had a hog dog that was bred to trap wild hogs. We adopted him from the feed store as a puppy but as he got older he hunted all the animals in the neighborhood...yeah we got rid of him. Definately wild hogs though.

Florida = wild hogs, alligators and huge snakes.
Now that is scary! Add in the sex predators and it really does sound like something out of a monster movie.

:laugh:We love the gulf coast tho.

MOO

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 06:47 PM

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 06:48 PM

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 06:48 PM

I think "Cobra" tends to exaggerate things. Does one really think TN could have run off & left "Cobra" and a cameraman filming the event.

I read somewhere that the licenseing of Hoover & D. Casey lately of CA fame is being questioned. I wonder if that might happen to "Cobra". JMO

Also, I read on another board last night the video was made 2 weeks ago or there abouts. Why would Cobra wait and add it to the play list yesterday?

As crazy as Cobra befriending Ron and then stabbing him in the back with what was said. (if you believe any of it) :confused:
I personally believe that Ron could get someone other than his mother to set a trap for "big, bad Cobra" if that was the intention.

MOO
Emme

teresa

03-27-2009, 06:49 PM

Did you watch the video? If it was staged TN was in on it because she called Cobra.As I said, I'm glad it was taped so people can't say it never happened.

Huh? I thought he ran into her at the gas station.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 06:50 PM

I dunno
I dunno
I dunno
I dunno
I dunno
lol

:laugh: Love your response!

:thumbsup:

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 06:51 PM

Hi everyone - I hardly ever post, so hope nobody minds when I add my 2 cents! I wonder what kind of parents Misty has, that she turned out like this. I mean, living with a 25 year old guy, taking care of his kids 24/7, the sex, drugs, and rock & roll, actually MARRYING the guy. She's way too young for all this crap. She reminds me SO MUCH of myself. I feel so sorry for her. JMO

Hi Sharmayia--I've actually spent almost as much time thinking about and feeling sorry for Misti than anything else. She really has had no quidance. Thrown out of the house at 16, of course she was going to take up with an older man who could feed and shelter her. Boys her own age rarely can support themselves. If I knew a girl like her in my community I would try to mentor and help her. I was on my own even earlier than her so I, like you, know what it's like.

I don't think she had anything to do with Haleigh 's missing but if it turns out I'm wrong I will lose all compassion for her. Nothing she's been thru could excuse that.

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 06:51 PM

I dunno
I dunno
I dunno
I dunno
I dunno
lol:smile: Thanks for your input, bullyjo. That's why I asked 2BoysMom and not you.

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 06:53 PM

Snipped
Just noticed that "Sarah Levon Sheffield" is an alias. Wonder what her real name happens to be. JMO

That is her name as Defendant. Alias is left blank.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 06:53 PM

Huh? I thought he ran into her at the gas station.

True. TN pulled up in her truck and was crying.

I think TN went out there looking for her g-daughter and got spooked thinking of all the stuff that could have happened to Haleigh.
She got scared when she heard a squeaky door sound coming from the woods. Cobra added all that other drama about being set-up. I don't believe it or buy it. Drama and this case does not need more drama.

Heck fire, people rode up & down the road past Caylee's body for months! It can happen. Haleigh may be right there in the woods some place. A shallow grave can easily be overlooked if you don't walk right up on it.

MOO
Emme

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 06:53 PM

Huh? I thought he ran into her at the gas station.She called him after she disappeared and left them in the woods. Her reason for disappearing was she saw a 6 ft snake.

playnice

03-27-2009, 06:53 PM

VERY interesting on who she was charged with battering....

Wow. Wonder what that was all about?

Themis

03-27-2009, 06:54 PM

Someone was filming this "event". I wonder why they didn't film the "innocent" underground hog pens?

Anyone remember the kidnapping in Chowchilla Ca. in the 70's? A school bus driver and 20+ kids were kept in an underground bunker until the driver dug his way out to get help.
Reference post 456 by Riverwalk

That 'someone' filming Teresa Neves leading Cobra to that old travel trailer was Cobra's own son, Michael.

I agree with your question, Riverwalk, why wasn't that underground hog pen filmed? Michael could easily have filmed it to show LE.

Teresa often carries a camera with her. One could ask why on her 4-hour search for Haleigh wouldn't she carry a camera just so she could photograph anything that she thought suspicious and turn it in to LE. Especially since she was alone and all.

Same as with so much of the stuff that has gone on in this sad situation. Document. Document. Document.

As for your second paragraph's topic, the kidnapper's have been in jail since 1978.

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/483593.html

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 06:54 PM

:laugh: Love your response!

:thumbsup:Yeah, that was real inspiring and added so much to the conversation. :bored:

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 06:55 PM

That is her name as Defendant. Alias is left blank.

Thanks! Duh to me. Thank goodness I'm not familar with court documents! JMO

teresa

03-27-2009, 06:55 PM

Also, I read on another board last night the video was made 2 weeks ago or there abouts. Why would Cobra wait and add it to the play list yesterday?

As crazy as Cobra befriending Ron and then stabbing him in the back with what was said. (if you believe any of it) :confused:
I personally believe that Ron could get someone other than his mother to set a trap for "big, bad Cobra" if that was the intention.

MOO
Emme

I think they had to have some time to edit it since I think it is one of his auditions for his TV show! I do believe his son was the camera man wasn't he?

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 06:57 PM

I think they had to have some time to edit it since I think it is one of his auditions for his TV show! I do believe his son was the camera man wasn't he?What TV show? Is there a link?

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 06:58 PM

Hi Sharmayia--I've actually spent almost as much time thinking about and feeling sorry for Misti than anything else. She really has had no quidance. Thrown out of the house at 16, of course she was going to take up with an older man who could feed and shelter her. Boys her own age rarely can support themselves. If I knew a girl like her in my community I would try to mentor and help her. I was on my own even earlier than her so I, like you, know what it's like.

I don't think she had anything to do with Haleigh 's missing but if it turns out I'm wrong I will lose all compassion for her. Nothing she's been thru could excuse that.

"As the Twig Is Bent, So Grows the Tree" . .

MoonFlwr

03-27-2009, 06:59 PM

She called him after she disappeared and left them in the woods. Her reason for disappearing was she saw a 6 ft snake.

Sounds bizarre.

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 06:59 PM

Huh? I thought he ran into her at the gas station.

Two different "stories" told by Art Harris. The first one said: 3/17/09

By Tuesday night, he counted 107 tips he’d either chased down and dismissed or was still actively working. And as he was refueling at a local convenience store, a weeping Teresa Neves, Ronald’s mother, pulled up in her red pick-up and pleaded with him to search a swampy area leading to the lake behind his trailer, and off they went to tromp in the woods. Neves said she’d spent four hours looking around, and became unnerved when she spied what looked like an underground pen that appeared to be a “tiny jail.”
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/17/i-dont-need-a-lawyer-lawyers-are-for-guilty-people-misty-cummings-exclusive/#more-1238

Then it morphed into: 3/26/09

A woman was crying on the phone, when private investigator and bounty hunter William Staubs, aka Cobra, took the call. If she had a lead to check out, she’d better hightail it to the Citgo on Highway 17 to meet him. It was Teresa Neves, Haleigh’s paternal grandmother.

http://www.artharris.com/

Go figure! Are we supposed to believe this "story"? I guess some do. JMO

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 06:59 PM

True. TN pulled up in her truck and was crying.

I think TN went out there looking for her g-daughter and got spooked thinking of all the stuff that could have happened to Haleigh.
She got scared when she heard a squeaky door sound coming from the woods. Cobra added all that other drama about being set-up. I don't believe it or buy it. Drama and this case does not need more drama.

Heck fire, people rode up & down the road past Caylee's body for months! It can happen. Haleigh may be right there in the woods some place. A shallow grave can easily be overlooked if you don't walk right up on it.

MOO
Emme

That place looked so creepy.

I wonder if the tape is edited. I see TN behind Cobra and then he turns around and says they lost her. She was right there walking ahead of them a little to the left. Seems like she kept walking and he stopped and talked to the camera.

imo

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:01 PM

I think they had to have some time to edit it since I think it is one of his auditions for his TV show! I do believe his son was the camera man wasn't he?

Seems like his son is his camera man. It just looked like drama to me especially when Cobra said right into the camera lens that he wasn't afraid of anything. Please!

MOO

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 07:01 PM

OMG how ironic. Right now on the Discovery Channel is a show called Pig Bomb about Wild Pigs. They just showed the picture that River linked to us earlier. It is on for an hour.

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 07:05 PM

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 07:05 PM

I wonder if TN actually ran out on W.Stuabs or if that was just more hot air? Doesn't make sense if she did. Why would she run from a snake and not tell him till she calls later? Leaving someone in the woods where you have lead them makes no sense other than adding to the whole "set-up" conspiracy theory that Stuabs is helping KP build up to the media. That entire report make no sense. Who's following Stuabs around with a camera, Art Harris??

BTW, I only responded on the hog pen thing because, being a former farm girl, I thought people were confusing underground hog tunnels they dig themselves with underground hog pens. There were many posts about hogs before mine. I offered an explanation that I thought would put it to rest, since I've seen them. Got slapped down though.:huh:
Since my post was probably reported, I'm packing for ban camp. Ya'll be good!

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:05 PM

That place looked so creepy.

I wonder if the tape is edited. I see TN behind Cobra and then he turns around and says they lost her. She was right there walking ahead of them a little to the left. Seems like she kept walking and he stopped and talked to the camera.

imo

Yep, maybe he told her to go on ahead and they would meet back up on the road. She called when she reached the road to warn them about the big snake. Looked staged by Cobra to me.
The only thing that looked real were TN tears.
I just think she is desperate to find her grand daughter.
I do not see TN being in on any kind of set-up. She pretty much sticks to talking about finding Haleigh.

Remember when they did the walk-thru of the mobile home. NG show. TN is crying and saying Ron didn't want to go back in and said it was hard for her to be in the mobile home. NG asked her something and she said if it would help find Haleigh.
:crying:
She just wants to find her grand daughter.

My opinion anyway.
Emme

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 07:06 PM

OMG how ironic. Right now on the Discovery Channel is a show called Pig Bomb about Wild Pigs. They just showed the picture that River linked to us earlier. It is on for an hour.

I've seen it before. SCARY too. Reminds me of the book Thorn Birds.

teresa

03-27-2009, 07:07 PM

I just watched the video...Why would she try to set him up when he had the camera guy there? Why did he have a camera this time but not when Ron was saying all this stuff before?

Exactly Pia.

Themis

03-27-2009, 07:07 PM

Florida = wild hogs, alligators and huge snakes.
Now that is scary! Add in the sex predators and it really does sound like something out of a monster movie.

:laugh:We love the gulf coast tho.

MOO
So, I asked myself why would a middle-aged woman go traipsing all alone for 4 hours even if it was to search for a missing grand daughter in an area where she might come up against wild boars, alligators, and huge snakes and any of those 40+ Registered Sex Offenders?
I could come up with no logical, common sense answer. None.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:08 PM

bold mine

Just what part don't you believe or buy? She disappeared and then called Cobra with a story about a snake. I don't buy her snake story.

Read my number 517 post i_pickle
:smile:

Motomom

03-27-2009, 07:09 PM

I think his words were something like, "beaten to a pulp". One would think that would create controversy. Especially after having seen the picture. JMO

That is one thing I cannot stand in a reporter like Geraldo and NG does it too sometimes.. We don't need to make things sound worse than they are IMO. Just the truth, it isn't a book.. yet :sneaky: or a reality show.. why can't they stick with the facts?

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 07:10 PM

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 07:10 PM

Read my number 517 post i_pickle
:smile:I just did, but I'm still not clear. When did it turned into a staged event? Before or after TN disappeared?

Motomom

03-27-2009, 07:12 PM

That's exactly how it started, but I'd call it more Marie and Crystal. IIRC, there was discussion on the board about Marie leading the conversation but prompting Crystal to participate. I said then Mother Marie needed to butt out and keep the focus on finding Haleigh instead of pursuing her personal agenda of attacking Cummings.

You know what's really sad? Had Marie not started Crystal down this road, she and Ron could have had some kind of bond which could have benefited Jr....which I think they will need because I don't think the outcome for Haleigh is good. I hope I'm wrong.

For sure the fallout will now be bitterness and acrimony, given the public accusations Crystal has made. Doesn't make for a happy environment for Jr.

I agree with you pat.. AGAIN LOL

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 07:14 PM

The video from the not so Private I Cobra, do you hear TN say she ran out because she saw a snake, or did Cobra say it...? tia

2boysMom

03-27-2009, 07:16 PM

Why did she bring Cobra out there?

What was she doing wandering alone in the woods for four hours?

Where was Ron and why wasn't he looking for Haleigh with his mother?

Why did she just disappear and then call Cobra with some lame excuse about a 6 ft snake?

Why didn't she make a sound when she saw the snake so a) someone that was armed could shoot it or b) just to warn them?

Those are the questions I'd like answered about TN and the video with Cobra.

Maybe she was really looking for Haleigh, saw something that worried her, called C because he's a big tough guy and she felt safe with him, really did see a snake and ran off. When I come across snakes on my property, I quietly scoot the heck away from it. As for Ron , maybe he was searching elsewhere, or went to work. Has he gone back to work yet? I guess Cobra just creeps me out and I can't imagine TN "setting him up". JMO

odyssey

03-27-2009, 07:17 PM

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 07:18 PM

The video from the not so Private I Cobra, do you hear TN say she ran out because she saw a snake, or did Cobra say it...? tia

Bolding mine.

You got that right. He should be called Public I. He can't keep his pie hole shut. JMO

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 07:18 PM

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:18 PM

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 07:19 PM

I could hear her talking on the phone but couldn't understand what she was saying.

Thanks. I had a hard time hearing her too...

teresa

03-27-2009, 07:19 PM

So, I asked myself why would a middle-aged woman go traipsing all alone for 4 hours even if it was to search for a missing grand daughter in an area where she might come up against wild boars, alligators, and huge snakes and any of those 40+ Registered Sex Offenders?
I could come up with no logical, common sense answer. None.

To search for her granddaughter. Do you really believe that this petite "middle-aged woman" set out to take on Big Bad King Cobra and his son on camera? To what end Themis?

Just because there are some snakes, alligators, etc. does not mean they live in a wildlife refuge. I live in a decent sized city and I've had snakes and more stinking possums than I can stand. We don't stay locked up inside though. We've even had bears come down from the mountains.

And, if she had on flip flops, the top of her feet are dark brown. I know you didn't say that here but I'm referencing an earlier post.

lilredfocker

03-27-2009, 07:19 PM

i'm not sure how other places do it but in my hometown after a couple of drug charges(whether you're convicted or not)the cops pretty much have your number. you are watched no matter what. i would think the courts would'nt take a drug charge lightly, let alone two or three of them. i would expect them to make an example out of him. show him that that kind of behavior would not be tolerated. i can't for the life of me figure out how rc could get each and every one of them dismissed unless....he's doing favors for le. jmo.

Motomom

03-27-2009, 07:20 PM

Hi Sharmayla your comments are welcome.

I read not long ago on this board that Misty's dad kicked the kids out of the house. That ought to tell you something about her parents.

I also heard Misty's mom on an interview say one of the reason's she was letting Misty get married was because of the way people were trashing them. :confused:

IMO, Misty has not had much parental supervision or either Misty just does what Misty wants to do.
Maybe a little of both.

MOO
Emme

That's what it sounds like... again I ask, where are the normal people??. It has nothing to do with money either, because there are plenty of people living with just the bare necesities in life, yet they love their children and do what they should.. protect them. Teach them good morals and values, teach them please and thank you and how to hold the door open for someone else. I teach my kids to look into another persons eyes, and speak clearly. Its sometimes the basic things in life that when go untaught.. well here you have it.. but all JMO

I feel for girls like Misty and Crystal, becomes I sometimes wonder what kind of chance they were given in life. If they cannot break the circle.. it just continues on.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:21 PM

Maybe she was really looking for Haleigh, saw something that worried her, called C because he's a big tough guy and she felt safe with him, really did see a snake and ran off. When I come across snakes on my property, I quietly scoot the heck away from it. As for Ron , maybe he was searching elsewhere, or went to work. Has he gone back to work yet? I guess Cobra just creeps me out and I can't imagine TN "setting him up". JMO

see bold
I think I remember reading that Ron quit his job or either the job told someone he quit. At any rate, I do not think Ron is working right now.
Is anyone working? Don't think so. I am not sure I could work if my child were missing. What I do know is I would have a command site and I would be begging for help to search for my daughter.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 07:21 PM

I guess I asked myself a different question. How could a trained/seasoned bounty hunter that has traveled the US and possibly the world to bring in bail jumpers and capture a terrorist be left in the dust by a middle age Florida grandmother? Seems odd to me.

JMO and could some explain the discrepancies in Art Harris and Cobra's tales? See my post #511 and read the links.

MOO

Bolding mine.

My thoughts too. Also there was a camerman filming the incident. Something not quite right about "Public I". JMO

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 07:23 PM

So, I asked myself why would a middle-aged woman go traipsing all alone for 4 hours even if it was to search for a missing grand daughter in an area where she might come up against wild boars, alligators, and huge snakes and any of those 40+ Registered Sex Offenders?
I could come up with no logical, common sense answer. None.

To me it does Themis. When you grow up and live in a place you learn to live with those things. I would have thought nothing of roaming in the woods behind Ron's trailer for hours whenever I had the strength. You watch where you step but the snakes, gators and wild hogs will generally avoid people at all costs. The helplessness alone would drive me out to the woods. Imagine though that's she's obviously looking for a body.:crying:

The SO are a different story but wouldn't expect them to be in the woods. That little trailer in the woods sure was creepy though. Maybe that's what shook her up, along with the tunnels.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 07:23 PM

I don't know either except that TN may have lived in that area her whole life. Maybe she had someone with her and that part got left out.
My opinion is that until TN speaks back regarding Cobra's little video of events, I do not feel she tried to set him up.

It is ok if others do and I still like reading the opinions of others. Gee, thank goodness we all have a mind of our own. Just too one-sided right now and not enough of the details.

MOO

Well if she did try to set him up, then ole P I is not too smart. He should be able to figure something like that before it happens. JMO

Pat

03-27-2009, 07:23 PM

So, I asked myself why would a middle-aged woman go traipsing all alone for 4 hours even if it was to search for a missing grand daughter in an area where she might come up against wild boars, alligators, and huge snakes and any of those 40+ Registered Sex Offenders?
I could come up with no logical, common sense answer. None.

That middle-aged woman is the grandmother of a child who has been missing for almost two months. She is obviously distraught, feels powerless and needs to do "something" to try to find her granddaughter.

She is beaten down and grieving. Why in the world would you feel so compelled to pile on? It isn't about you. It's about her. This is how she is handling it. This may not be your "common sense answer" but it is hers. This is how she is coping. This is how she gets through the day.

The fact this low-life alleged PI/Bounty hunter has taken advantage of her in such tragic circumstances says plenty about him. He and his cameraman son have shown their true colors. I hope karma bites and bites hard. And I hope karma bites that lawyer of Crystal's who brought this grandstanding piece of work into the Cummings life, too.

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 07:24 PM

Maybe she was really looking for Haleigh, saw something that worried her, called C because he's a big tough guy and she felt safe with him, really did see a snake and ran off. When I come across snakes on my property, I quietly scoot the heck away from it. As for Ron , maybe he was searching elsewhere, or went to work. Has he gone back to work yet? I guess Cobra just creeps me out and I can't imagine TN "setting him up". JMOI don't know what she was doing, Cobra asked if she was setting him up, not me. Nothing she did makes sense to me.

Truth be told, they all kinda creep me out, TN included

Themis

03-27-2009, 07:24 PM

Desperate to find her granddaughter. Tired of sitting around feeling like nothing was being done...who knows... but I believe that more than I believe she tried to set up this big bad PI...If that was the case why take him to to a mobile home that is obviously occupied by someone? Wouldn't she be afraid there might be a witness to the 'planned attack'?
I don't buy into the 'desperate to find her granddaughter' theme, Pia. Not when it involves her own safety. Why go walk-about in an area evidently known for venomous cotton mouth snakes without sturdy boots and leg protection.

Why potentially risk her very own life when she has to know that she may very well end up having to take custody of Junior Cummings?
If she felt it was so necessary to search such a potentially dangerous area, why not call up her son, Haleigh's father, to go with her. Surely, he, too, is desperate to find Haleigh. Nope, not buying that one.

You used the word 'setup' -- well, I guess I would have to say who set up who?

BobbysGirl

03-27-2009, 07:24 PM

Just popping in. Been away.

What is it with the snakes in the grass?

Too many snakes, imo, and they don't crawl. First Caylee and snake incident and now this?

Too many players. I would love to know the snake that took Haleigh. My concern is for her only. I hope she is still alive but and slowing losing it.

:rose: for Haleigh

BG

Motomom

03-27-2009, 07:26 PM

Also, I read on another board last night the video was made 2 weeks ago or there abouts. Why would Cobra wait and add it to the play list yesterday?
As crazy as Cobra befriending Ron and then stabbing him in the back with what was said. (if you believe any of it) :confused:
I personally believe that Ron could get someone other than his mother to set a trap for "big, bad Cobra" if that was the intention.

MOO
Emme

I bolded. Maybe so he had enough time to edit??

I sensed alot of acting in that video and I don't care for the way he seemed to talk about her leaving, talk about a setup then call her baby or whatever it was he called her while on the phone. He ain't no lenny that's for sure :laugh:

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:26 PM

That's what it sounds like... again I ask, where are the normal people??. It has nothing to do with money either, because there are plenty of people living with just the bare necesities in life, yet they love their children and do what they should.. protect them. Teach them good morals and values, teach them please and thank you and how to hold the door open for someone else. I teach my kids to look into another persons eyes, and speak clearly. Its sometimes the basic things in life that when go untaught.. well here you have it.. but all JMO

I feel for girls like Misty and Crystal, becomes I sometimes wonder what kind of chance they were given in life. If they cannot break the circle.. it just continues on.

Yes, these girls will live a hard life. Look at Misty's mom.. I think she is in her early 40's and she looks much older.
I don't think it is the babies that age women so much as it is the "hard times".
Really sad. I heard someone say once ~ that you cannot miss what you cannot measure. It took until I was grown to understand what they meant. These people have never lived a different lifestyle so they cannot understand any other culture but their own.
JMO
Emme

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 07:27 PM

Considering that cell phone bills can be traced to find out who was called and when I'd have to say that it is true that TN called Cobra and that he met her at the Gas Station...Also Cobra has film crew and camera...we have no idea when they started taping the "event".
JMO but with ??? too. Who knows?

So you discount Art/Cobra's first account on the 17th?

I don't know either, but it Art/Cobra seem to be telling tales and embellishing more than a bedazzler, but that's JMO.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:28 PM

I bolded. Maybe so he had enough time to edit??

I sensed alot of acting in that video and I don't care for the way he seemed to talk about her leaving, talk about a setup then call her baby or whatever it was he called her while on the phone. He ain't no lenny that's for sure :laugh:

ITA
As I said in another post, he tried to befriend Ron and then back stabbed him by telling everything that he said <cough> was said.
Just makes no sense to me at all.

No, I like old LP cowboy hat. I personally think he has a good heart.
I like that about Lenny!
JMO

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 07:29 PM

I bolded. Maybe so he had enough time to edit??

I sensed alot of acting in that video and I don't care for the way he seemed to talk about her leaving, talk about a setup then call her baby or whatever it was he called her while on the phone. He ain't no lenny that's for sure :laugh:

He seemed to be on camera by himself most of the time. There was a lot of room for editing and refilming. Some of that could have been filmed on a different day or time. JMO

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 07:29 PM

chill pickle, I don't know the answers, and I doubt if anyone else does either.Then why bother to respond?

And don't tell me to chill. Thanks

Motomom

03-27-2009, 07:29 PM

True. TN pulled up in her truck and was crying.

I think TN went out there looking for her g-daughter and got spooked thinking of all the stuff that could have happened to Haleigh.
She got scared when she heard a squeaky door sound coming from the woods. Cobra added all that other drama about being set-up. I don't believe it or buy it. Drama and this case does not need more drama.

Heck fire, people rode up & down the road past Caylee's body for months! It can happen. Haleigh may be right there in the woods some place. A shallow grave can easily be overlooked if you don't walk right up on it.

MOO
Emme

I think the same or similiar about Theresa. I think she is at her wits end and needed to look..search the woods, who knows what led her there. She hears a squeak.. it freaked her out. The thoughts that must run through the minds of parents and granparents and families when it is one of their own missing. I simply cannot even begin to imagine it.

2boysMom

03-27-2009, 07:31 PM

That middle-aged woman is the grandmother of a child who has been missing for almost two months. She is obviously distraught, feels powerless and needs to do "something" to try to find her granddaughter.

She is beaten down and grieving. Why in the world would you feel so compelled to pile on? It isn't about you. It's about her. This is how she is handling it. This may not be your "common sense answer" but it is hers. This is how she is coping. This is how she gets through the day.

The fact this low-life alleged PI/Bounty hunter has taken advantage of her in such tragic circumstances says plenty about him. He and his cameraman son have shown their true colors. I hope karma bites and bites hard. And I hope karma bites that lawyer of Crystal's who brought this grandstanding piece of work into the Cummings life, too.

Good post. ITA.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:32 PM

Well if she did try to set him up, then ole P I is not too smart. He should be able to figure something like that before it happens. JMO

:thumbup: Guess he thinks it will look good on his record that he actually outsmarted the grandma of a missing child.
Real tough guy.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 07:32 PM

I think the same or similiar about Theresa. I think she is at her wits end and needed to look..search the woods, who knows what led her there. She hears a squeak.. it freaked her out. The thoughts that must run through the minds of parents and granparents and families when it is one of their own missing. I simply cannot even begin to imagine it.

Bolding mine.

Neither can I. Lets hope no other family has to experience a situation such as this. Alas, I don't think our hope will stop it. JMO

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 07:35 PM

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

"Attorney Kim Picazio also told me that her investigators have been searching areas she claims police failed to search. One of those searches yielded a cloth sheet or blanket that was found to have rust and what appears to be blood on it. That piece of cloth has been turned over to investigators in the case.

I had a brief conversation with P.I./Bounty Hunter William “Cobra” Staubs late Thursday as well breaking a week of no contact. With him on this telephone conversation was a man named Marty who says he’s Crystal Sheffield’s father.

Both told me that they have run into difficulties with some low-ranking law enforcement officers. Each claim one female law enforcement official told the men to stop their searches and that they were hampering the investigation. Marty told me over the phone they were threatened with arrest and possible charges of tampering with evidence."

I thought Crystal's dad was named Johnny? Is this the step dad? Chad's father? :confused:

BobbysGirl

03-27-2009, 07:35 PM

I bolded. Maybe so he had enough time to edit??

I sensed alot of acting in that video and I don't care for the way he seemed to talk about her leaving, talk about a setup then call her baby or whatever it was he called her while on the phone. He ain't no lenny that's for sure :laugh:

I did see the video on you tube and was very disgusted. He is an arrogant, foul mouthed being. He is there for his 15 min of fame. And I thought he was (IMO) going to have it wrapped up in a week.

Cobra, nice name. Snake, fits him. IMHO
O/T Hope Snake Pliskin don't star as his role model....in an escape from FLa?

BG

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:36 PM

I think the same or similiar about Theresa. I think she is at her wits end and needed to look..search the woods, who knows what led her there. She hears a squeak.. it freaked her out. The thoughts that must run through the minds of parents and granparents and families when it is one of their own missing. I simply cannot even begin to imagine it.

TN is most likely running on raw emotion by now. I hope that all the parties involved have access to medical assistance. They have to know the longer the time goes on then the least likely for a good outcome.

No, Motomom, I cannot even begin to imagine it either.
One would have to be desolate.
MOO

Sharmayla

03-27-2009, 07:37 PM

Hi, bullyjo! Do you agree with me, that she must not have had a very good upbringing? (I say that because it takes one to know one.) If she ever wants to know what she's in for, I could tell her a thing or three!

Hi Shar, I asked about her upbringing also, didn't get any hits, tho.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 07:38 PM

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

"Attorney Kim Picazio also told me that her investigators have been searching areas she claims police failed to search. One of those searches yielded a cloth sheet or blanket that was found to have rust and what appears to be blood on it. That piece of cloth has been turned over to investigators in the case.

I had a brief conversation with P.I./Bounty Hunter William “Cobra” Staubs late Thursday as well breaking a week of no contact. With him on this telephone conversation was a man named Marty who says he’s Crystal Sheffield’s father.

Both told me that they have run into difficulties with some low-ranking law enforcement officers. Each claim one female law enforcement official told the men to stop their searches and that they were hampering the investigation. Marty told me over the phone they were threatened with arrest and possible charges of tampering with evidence."

Was he the one that sent a written statement to the court re CS's custody? Also wasn't he thrown out of law enforcement. I think LE is correct when they say they could be tampering with evidence. Even it it turns out it could be evidence, it can't be used because the chain of command has been comprised. A defense attoryey would have a field day if the prosecution tried to get it into evidence. JMO

Motomom

03-27-2009, 07:39 PM

"As the Twig Is Bent, So Grows the Tree" . .

I never heard that before... but I like.. gonna use it on hubby tonight. I actually had to google it LOL.. I mean, I got the jist of it before the google :huh: but...

I don't think Misty had anything to do with this, at the same time, I think it's all too possible she did.

I still think it was a SO registered or not.

ETA. I keep thinking about that movie from the 80's, and forgive me but I can't remember the little boys name. I always believed it was a true story. I think it was called Missing or Taken. About a young boy taken and was found yrs and yrs later. Not the Steven stanger one either. Anyone know?

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:39 PM

I did see the video on you tube and was very disgusted. He is an arrogant, foul mouthed being. He is there for his 15 min of fame. And I thought he was (IMO) going to have it wrapped up in a week.

Cobra, nice name. Snake, fits him. IMHO
O/T Hope Snake Pliskin don't star as his role model....in an escape from FLa?

BG

Hi BobbysGirl. I commented on Cobra's vulgar language last night. Having a foul mouth does not make one a tough guy.
So, IA.
Emme

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 07:41 PM

I thought Crystal's dad was named Johnny? Is this the step dad? Chad's father? :confused:

Johnny Marcus "Marty" Sheffield = the guy convicted of animal abuse is Crystal's bio dad and married to 29 year old Connie (nurse) who took pictures of Haleigh with the cut nose/black eyes in November.

Crystal's younger brother is Marcus Sheffield, but I've never seen/read that he goes by any other name.

I hope to the goodness that they really didn't "bring" the evidence to LE. Not good, if they did that. YIKES.

MOO
ETA: Marty is also ex-deputy sheriff and should know better IF he touched or tampered with any evidence. MOO again.

Sharmayla

03-27-2009, 07:42 PM

Wow. That's so sad. Why did her dad kick the kids out of the house?! What a jerk. The mother doesn't sound too bright either.

Thanks for the welcome. :)

Hi Sharmayla your comments are welcome.

I read not long ago on this board that Misty's dad kicked the kids out of the house. That ought to tell you something about her parents.

I also heard Misty's mom on an interview say one of the reason's she was letting Misty get married was because of the way people were trashing them. :confused:

IMO, Misty has not had much parental supervision or either Misty just does what Misty wants to do.
Maybe a little of both.

MOO
Emme

Pat

03-27-2009, 07:44 PM

Was he the one that sent a written statement to the court re CS's custody? Also wasn't he thrown out of law enforcement. I think LE is correct when they say they could be tampering with evidence. Even it it turns out it could be evidence, it can't be used because the chain of command has been comprised. A defense attoryey would have a field day if the prosecution tried to get it into evidence. JMO

Isn't Johnny Sheffield her father? I looked at one of the PDF documents just this afternoon and I could have sworn it was signed "Johnny". Now I'll have to go back, find it and download it. :mad:

Added:

Saw your post explaining the name, Riverwalk. Thanks.

No wonder LE doesn't appreciate their "contributions"!

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:45 PM

I never heard that before... but I like.. gonna use it on hubby tonight. I actually had to google it LOL.. I mean, I got the jist of it before the google :huh: but...

I don't think Misty had anything to do with this, at the same time, I think it's all too possible she did.

I still think it was a SO registered or not.

It is hard to say if Misty had an actual hand in something happening to Haleigh. I went back last night and watched her video's (interviews). The only thing that bothers me a bit is that she has the same scripted explanation every time.

It is just hard for me to grasp that a SO would prop a door and turn on a kitchen light unless he knew no one was home.
Maybe Misty is just not telling everything or either she was in no condition to remember. I do think that Misty has more knowledge than has been reported tho. Sure as heck hope that she is not covering for someone else.

MOO

Themis

03-27-2009, 07:47 PM

I'm no fan of any one of them except Haleigh. Someone said that last night and I agree 100%. I think it was ProudMom who said it but never the less I also agree with you and to be quite honest I'm just not concerned about other poster's "feelings" about TN either. I do not know these people. I have no intentions on befriending any one of them. I am not bashing any of them. I am focusing on what is presented and trying to figure out whether I believe there is any significance between their individual actions (both current and past) and little Haleigh's disappearance.
TN's actions that day do not make sense to me and due to that fact I am suspicious of the whole event plain and simple.
JMO
Reference post 560 by Patricia

I am right there with you, Patricia. I have not and will not 'take sides' in the case of Haleigh's disappearance. And I have not 'piled it on' anyone in this case -- something a different poster accused me of. I read and view videos (thanks so ALL those who post the great links) and when I believe there are logical questions to ask and cogent comments to make, I do it. Plain and simple.

As for William 'Cobra' Staubs -- sure, he might have an excellent record as a bounty hunter. But if Mother Teresa could so easily outwit him as in the case of the video on Art Harris' website, well, I just had to laugh.
Son Michael with him to record with sound everything that might help LE solve this case and that is all he brings to the table? Hmmmm

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 07:47 PM

Staubs is saying set-up. Set-up for what? Getting hopelessly lost in the woods? Not likely, he had a phone and a cameraman. I don't get his point.

KP keeps referring to "my investigators". Are these Staubs and son? Anybody else been reported on? Art Harris started out covering the story of Crystal's efforts thru her attorney. Would he not report on any other investigators or searches?

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 07:48 PM

Not at all. The first account could just have been summerized from that point on and only that point on which means it possibly excluded any prior information.
The second article may have just "included" more information.
I really don't know.
It is possible that it happened.

As far as Cobra being this or that I'm not rushing to judgement. I've read about his track record and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
It's the least I can do for a guy that both caught and stopped a terrorist from murdering possibly thousands of innocent citizens.
The LEAST I can do.JMO

I bolded.

Ok Patricia, I too will give Cobra credit for that and also the many SO's that he has tracked down.

BobbysGirl

03-27-2009, 07:49 PM

Because when we are desperate especially when it involves our children we don't think about our safety. I don't think many of us would even be thinking...just doing whatever it takes to get us through the day.

I agree, I never stopped searching for the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter. I had no fear. I did what I had to do to track him down and have him brought to justice and convicted.

Enough. I have posted about my past yrs ago.

However, I was aware of my surroundings and who was who and how I handled it. Back in 1985. I was careful.

BG

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 07:50 PM

Not at all. The first account could just have been summerized from that point on and only that point on which means it possibly excluded any prior information.
The second article may have just "included" more information.
I really don't know.
It is possible that it happened.

As far as Cobra being this or that I'm not rushing to judgement. I've read about his track record and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
It's the least I can do for a guy that both caught and stopped a terrorist from murdering possibly thousands of innocent citizens.
The LEAST I can do.
JMOThat's how I feel about him too. He doesn't have a shabby track record, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt after reading about him.

Sharmayla

03-27-2009, 07:50 PM

Hi, doctor J - I'm sorry for what you went through. I got married just to get away from my parents. Not too bright, huh?

I don't think Misty had anything to do with it either. I just think maybe she wasn't watching her close enough. She's just a kid herself.

Hi Sharmayia--I've actually spent almost as much time thinking about and feeling sorry for Misti than anything else. She really has had no quidance. Thrown out of the house at 16, of course she was going to take up with an older man who could feed and shelter her. Boys her own age rarely can support themselves. If I knew a girl like her in my community I would try to mentor and help her. I was on my own even earlier than her so I, like you, know what it's like.

I don't think she had anything to do with Haleigh 's missing but if it turns out I'm wrong I will lose all compassion for her. Nothing she's been thru could excuse that.

Motomom

03-27-2009, 07:50 PM

So, I asked myself why would a middle-aged woman go traipsing all alone for 4 hours even if it was to search for a missing grand daughter in an area where she might come up against wild boars, alligators, and huge snakes and any of those 40+ Registered Sex Offenders?
I could come up with no logical, common sense answer. None.

Would you rather her search in stores? What do you want her to do at this point? I ask because I don't know what I would do. I know that I have seen post after post on these boards about how they would search everyday for their lost child. So IMO that would include the woods. I mean searching is searching, wherever you can to eliminate areas. When they don't search some of us complain too.. so I just don't know what they should really do at this point.

Do you think that she is searching for a live child or remains?

kanzz

03-27-2009, 07:51 PM

teresa

03-27-2009, 07:53 PM

Can we post rumors here that I read on another site about the items found? I don't belong there but the posts aren't hidden and supposedly come from "insiders".

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 07:54 PM

Just curious, but is the answer you got, MAYBE, any different than I dunno???

What do think the answers are???If I knew the answers, I wouldn't have asked the questions.

I'll be moving on now since you have nothing to add.

Enjoy your night. :seeya:

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 07:54 PM

If true that was pretty reckless on the part of anyone let alone a former police officer...he is the former PO, right?

His ex-affiliation with the sheriff's office is attributed to Kim P, Crystal's attorney.

MOO

teresa

03-27-2009, 07:56 PM

Pat

03-27-2009, 07:56 PM

<snip>As far as Cobra being this or that I'm not rushing to judgement. I've read about his track record and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
It's the least I can do for a guy that both caught and stopped a terrorist from murdering possibly thousands of innocent citizens.
The LEAST I can do.
JMO

I won't give any grandstanding fame-seeker a break when they are taking advantage of a grief-stricken family.

What's this man's motive? Publicity. He said he isn't working for anyone, he just want to find Haleigh. He's a liar. He was brought in by Crystal's lawyer. He's worked for her for years and they've bought property from him. He's the investigator she said she'd brought in. He isn't being altruistic...he's aligned with Johnny Sheffield and has managed to stab both Ron in his mother in the back while allowing them to think he was helping them.

What a piece of work.

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 07:56 PM

Johnny Marcus "Marty" Sheffield = the guy convicted of animal abuse is Crystal's bio dad and married to 29 year old Connie (nurse) who took pictures of Haleigh with the cut nose/black eyes in November.

Crystal's younger brother is Marcus Sheffield, but I've never seen/read that he goes by any other name.

I hope to the goodness that they really didn't "bring" the evidence to LE. Not good, if they did that. YIKES.

MOO
ETA: Marty is also ex-deputy sheriff and should know better IF he touched or tampered with any evidence. MOO again.

You always come to my rescue when I am confused. :biggrin: I could remember the Johnny but not the middle name. TY.

Yes you are right. They should have known better then to touch anything, especially the ex deputy. I have no use for him anyway every since I read about the fighting of animals he was charged with. Talk about hanging with some low lifes, boy you would if you are in to dog fighting.

imo

teresa

03-27-2009, 07:58 PM

As long as you are saying that they are JUST RUMORS then why not?

I don't want to get in trouble:confused:

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 07:59 PM

I don't want to get in trouble:confused:

I'm dying to know, but use your own judgement. I would not want you to get in trouble either. JMO

IlliniFan

03-27-2009, 08:00 PM

I don't want to get in trouble:confused:

I don't know teresa. I would like to know the info, but I don't want you to get bounced...

march27

03-27-2009, 08:01 PM

She called him after she disappeared and left them in the woods. Her reason for disappearing was she saw a 6 ft snake.

I try not take sides but darn if she saw a 6ft cotton mouth she could of given a little heads up. Thats just cold lol I mean you can run and scream at the same time right?

Pat

03-27-2009, 08:03 PM

I don't want to get in trouble:confused:

Just me, but I wouldn't. CW comes through on a fairly regular basis, deletes those kinds of posts, along with the posters. We lost a regular just this morning. And it wasn't temporary...it is permanent.

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 08:03 PM

Is this resume of Staubs in the links? Anyone investigated it's legitamacy?

BobbysGirl

03-27-2009, 08:04 PM

Good for you..I am sorry about your daughter. I can't imagine what that must have been for all of you.

I just think TN is doing whatever she can no matter what.

I did what I had to do. And if TN had to go to the woods to look, fine w/me.

How or why what one does to find who the is perp takes guts. I had them. No way was I going to let it slide. Thankful our daughter is alive at 35 and engaged. She is living the best she can.

A mother, a grandmother, a sister of a loved one, father will IMO go beyond the means to find the child or perp. NO games, no PI, no nothing. A risk is a risk. Done it and Done.
IMO, diligence, perseverence, awareness, and caution is the key. In my/our experience.

BBL

O/T Got to go get and pick up picts from trip to Padre Island.

BG

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 08:04 PM

I don't want to get in trouble:confused:You already posted a rumor that Cobra was editing the tape for his TV show, so what's the problem?

Pat

03-27-2009, 08:05 PM

I try not take sides but darn if she saw a 6ft cotton mouth she could of given a little heads up. Thats just cold lol I mean you can run and scream at the same time right?

The film was edited and HE says she disappeared. We don't have the complete footage so we don't really know what happened. Have you watched the video?

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 08:05 PM

I try not take sides but darn if she saw a 6ft cotton mouth she could of given a little heads up. Thats just cold lol I mean you can run and scream at the same time right?:biggrin: I know I can!

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 08:07 PM

Is this resume of Staubs in the links? Anyone investigated it's legitamacy?

I posted a link with his association with Kim and Michael Picazio from years ago and got slammed, but I get slammed a lot. lol.

He's a bounty hunter/PI and has lots of youtubes but some are so vulgar that I won't post them here. Just search William Eugene Staubs aka Cobra.

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 08:09 PM

LE tells searchers not to search.

http://www.cbs47.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30650@video.cbs47.com&navCatId=5

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 08:09 PM

I wouldn't necessarily say that was rumor, it seemed quite obvious from watching the video.Do you have a link that there's a TV show in the making?

I asked teresa but got no answer, so it must be a rumor.

BobbysGirl

03-27-2009, 08:11 PM

The film was edited and HE says she disappeared. We don't have the complete footage so we don't really know what happened. Have you watched the video?

The film may have been edited. IMO his bleep bleep mouth was deleted. Does not take a rocket science to figure it out. I would have liked to seen the whole video, alas, not available.

His conversation on his phone was outside and then his conv was sitting in his vehicle?

What does that say? IMO

BG

teresa

03-27-2009, 08:12 PM

You already posted a rumor that Cobra was editing the tape for his TV show, so what's the problem?

That's not a rumor...that's the opinon of me and others who have watched it. My opinion is just that, a rumor is something different.

KKKKKKatie

03-27-2009, 08:12 PM

LE tells searchers not to search.

http://www.cbs47.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30650@video.cbs47.com&navCatId=5

So they tell TES to leave and now telling people not to search? WTH :confused:

They have got to have something that they are not telling! IMO

Pat

03-27-2009, 08:13 PM

I posted a link with his association with Kim and Michael Picazio from years ago and got slammed, but I get slammed a lot. lol.

He's a bounty hunter/PI and has lots of youtubes but some are so vulgar that I won't post them here. Just search William Eugene Staubs aka Cobra.

Did you put the Picazio link in the links thread? I was looking for it earlier but couldn't find it.

Themis

03-27-2009, 08:13 PM

Would you rather her search in stores? What do you want her to do at this point? I ask because I don't know what I would do. I know that I have seen post after post on these boards about how they would search everyday for their lost child. So IMO that would include the woods. I mean searching is searching, wherever you can to eliminate areas. When they don't search some of us complain too.. so I just don't know what they should really do at this point.

Do you think that she is searching for a live child or remains?
Reference post 583 by Motomom.

If Mother Teresa is going to search in spite of advice by both LE and Tim Miller not to do so, then I would expect her to do so using common sense and preparing herself beforehand for rough terrain, high boots, camera, etc. I am not going to enumerate them all. Any boy scout can supply that. But, first and foremost is not to go alone. I have never said word one about her not searching nor would I ever. At this point 6 weeks have gone by. I believe all of them should have been receiving counseling. I believe the donation funds for both families would pay for that. What I have read indicates none of them have returned to work. Maybe they need to do that for their own mental and physical health.

To answer your last question ... the last thing in the world fragile Teresa needs to find in her searching is the remains of her granddaughter, Hayleigh.

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 08:15 PM

That's not a rumor...that's the opinon of me and others who have watched it. My opinion is just that, a rumor is something different.This is the first I heard that it was just your opinion. You posted it as fact and that's why I asked for a link. I've heard nothing about a TV show and wanted to know where you heard it.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 08:16 PM

So they tell TES to leave and now telling people not to search? WTH :confused:

They have got to have something that they are not telling! IMO

I think LE is beginning to see the writing on the wall and suspect that the people that are planning on searching have their own agenda, not one that necessarily fits in with LE's objectives. Remember LE has been dealing with the players in this saga way before Haleigh became missing.

LE wants to make sure that if any evidence is found, that it will not be comprised. JMO

march27

03-27-2009, 08:18 PM

The film was edited and HE says she disappeared. We don't have the complete footage so we don't really know what happened. Have you watched the video?

Yeah and honestly the story makes no sense...but then none of this makes sense imo. Either she ran for another reason or hes not being truthful. I mean cottonmouths are no joke. Wouldnt wish one on my worst enemy but again jmo.

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 08:18 PM

I have no idea what you are talking about...I was commenting on the editing comment...I wasn't. I was talking about the TV show that teresa brought up in an earlier post.

No one is disputing that the tape was edited.

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 08:18 PM

So they tell TES to leave and now telling people not to search? WTH :confused:

They have got to have something that they are not telling! IMO

Can they really tell them not to search? If it was my child or grandchild I would be searching. I don't get it.

imo

Themis

03-27-2009, 08:19 PM

That's the oddity of it all. Who would have suspected teary eyed Mother Teresa to book it like she did? She bounced out of their so quick you'd think she seen the boggedy man coming and why is that?
Makes me wonder if she had possibly caught sight of the ex-Marine heading towards them or???
....Was the snake right next to her when she was standing right next to Cobra? I mean if it was the guy had a gun on him for crying out loud.
None of what she did makes any sense.
JMO
I agree -- nothing she did that day makes any sense.

But then, IMO, nothing shown on that brief video makes William 'Cobra' Staubs as operating in a calm sensible manner either. And, if as suggested by other posters, that video has been edited and cut in a biased fashion, then Cobra, his son Michael, and/or Art Harris needs to be made responsible for it.

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 08:19 PM

Could there be another reason LE is asking for the search to be cancelled?

Like what? That they may know what happen to Haleigh?

imo

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 08:20 PM

I don't want to get in trouble:confused:

Don't do it.

Why don't you just paraphrase what you read as "rumor" and do not link or quote.

I will often say.. I read on another board and then in my own words say what I read. I never quote or link.

JMO

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 08:21 PM

Did you put the Picazio link in the links thread? I was looking for it earlier but couldn't find it.

No, I didn't. It seemed to upset some folks.

Here it is again from 2003 :biggrin:

http://205.166.161.12/oncoreV2/search.aspx?q=detail
Enter: Staubs, William

Document Type: (WD) Warranty Deed
Record Date : 5/21/2003 1:02:10 PM
Grantor: STAUBS,WILLIAM E
STAUBS,CATHERINE D
Grantee: PICAZIO,MICHAEL
PICAZIO,KIM
Book Type: O
Book / Page: 35212 / 498
# of Pages: 1
Consideration: 1,150,000.00
Legal: L40,B10,27/46,CORAL RIDGE GALT ADD
Parcel Id: Property Appraiser - 494225031510
Revenue Collection - 494225031510
RefNum 0

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 08:22 PM

Like what? That they may know what happen to Haleigh?

imo

:confused:Maybe LE is afraid that volunteer's may contaminate a crime scene if they come up on something. ??????

If that is the case then why doesn't LE put a trained searcher with them to give them instructions and guidance.

MOO

Pat

03-27-2009, 08:22 PM

Reference post 583 by Motomom.

If Mother Teresa is going to search in spite of advice by both LE and Tim Miller not to do so, then I would expect her to do so using common sense and preparing herself beforehand for rough terrain, high boots, camera, etc. I am not going to enumerate them all. Any boy scout can supply that. But, first and foremost is not to go alone. I have never said word one about her not searching nor would I ever. At this point 6 weeks have gone by. I believe all of them should have been receiving counseling. I believe the donation funds for both families would pay for that. What I have read indicates none of them have returned to work. Maybe they need to do that for their own mental and physical health.

To answer your last question ... the last thing in the world fragile Teresa needs to find in her searching is the remains of her granddaughter, Hayleigh.

So you don't mind if she searches, as long as she does it your way. Okay.

I would imagine at this point she is aware of what she might find...but is searching anyway because she needs closure of some kind.

Me...I encourage her to do whatever brings her the most relief.

At least she isn't like Cindy Anthony and telling the world to "get off their azzes and look!". She isn't leaving it up to others...she's out doing it herself.

odyssey

03-27-2009, 08:23 PM

Could there be another reason LE is asking for the search to be cancelled?

Well .. a "guess" but perhaps they have found people "tampering with evidence" while searching.

Did y'all hear that Cobra was leaving?

jmoo

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 08:23 PM

Volunteers willing to give of their time to search have an agenda? Please explain.

After seeing/hearing about the abuse pictures that were released and finding out that in most likelyhood there is an explanation for the bruises, I would not put it past some searches to plant "evidence". There's way too much animosity between these two families. Its a shame it has become a hatfield/mccoy type of relationship. It would be so much better it they would all work together to find little Haliegh. JMO

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 08:24 PM

No, I didn't. It seemed to upset some folks.

Here it is again from 2003 :biggrin:

http://205.166.161.12/oncoreV2/search.aspx?q=detail
Enter: Staubs, William

Document Type: (WD) Warranty Deed
Record Date : 5/21/2003 1:02:10 PM
Grantor: STAUBS,WILLIAM E
STAUBS,CATHERINE D
Grantee: PICAZIO,MICHAEL
PICAZIO,KIM
Book Type: O
Book / Page: 35212 / 498
# of Pages: 1
Consideration: 1,150,000.00
Legal: L40,B10,27/46,CORAL RIDGE GALT ADD
Parcel Id: Property Appraiser - 494225031510
Revenue Collection - 494225031510
RefNum 0

TY Riverwalk I was just about to go back & look for this post.
:)

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 08:24 PM

Good for you..I am sorry about your daughter. I can't imagine what that must have been for all of you.

I just think TN is doing whatever she can no matter what.

I sure hopes she takes someone with her the next time for one she should not be out searching alone can you imagine if she did come across Haleigh how terrible that would be. I think for her to go alone is not a good idea get another family member or friend. IMO

5boxersmom

03-27-2009, 08:25 PM

There was all kinds of search groups all over Orlando looking for CA and I do not ever remember LE telling any of them not to search. I am very curious about this.

imo

teresa

03-27-2009, 08:26 PM

This is the first I heard that it was just your opinion. You posted it as fact and that's why I asked for a link. I've heard nothing about a TV show and wanted to know where you heard it.

We've been joking about Cobra's TV audition since he arrived. I'm not serious but I think he is trying to bring attention to himself.

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 08:27 PM

No, I didn't. It seemed to upset some folks.

Here it is again from 2003 :biggrin:

http://205.166.161.12/oncoreV2/search.aspx?q=detail
Enter: Staubs, William

Document Type: (WD) Warranty Deed
Record Date : 5/21/2003 1:02:10 PM
Grantor: STAUBS,WILLIAM E
STAUBS,CATHERINE D
Grantee: PICAZIO,MICHAEL
PICAZIO,KIM
Book Type: O
Book / Page: 35212 / 498
# of Pages: 1
Consideration: 1,150,000.00
Legal: L40,B10,27/46,CORAL RIDGE GALT ADD
Parcel Id: Property Appraiser - 494225031510
Revenue Collection - 494225031510
RefNum 0I don't see what's upsetting about your link. :confused:

What does it mean to you?

kanzz

03-27-2009, 08:27 PM

In the past two years (thanks to you and others) I have learned to look below the surface and I think way below the surface is where the key is to this...

Oh, you amaze me - giving credit like that and all. YOU have always been one to look below the surface ever since I've known you. Over 2 years ago, I'd always make sure to read your posts because they were always relevant and insightful.

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 08:27 PM

After seeing/hearing about the abuse pictures that were released and finding out that in most likelyhood there is an explanation for the bruises, I would not put it past some searches to plant "evidence". There's way too much animosity between these two families. Its a shame it has become a hatfield/mccoy type of relationship. It would be so much better it they would all work together to find little Haliegh. JMO

You mean plant stuff against RC? omg I would hope they would not do anything to set up anyone if that is what your saying.

march27

03-27-2009, 08:31 PM

This has got to be the strangest case I've seen in awhile. Does anyone else feel like we are reading the script of a suspense novel or is it just me. Nothing makes sense and when we try to fit things together to have it make sense its seems too bizarre to be true. With Tes leaving, Cobra coming on the scene, stories constantly changing, cameramen and snakes in the woods, the 911 call, etc. I could go on forever and I havent even mentioned LE or wild hogs yet. Is it just me or does anyone else feel like they've entered the Twilight Zone? I'm not making light of this but where is Haleigh? After hearing about all the players nothing would surprise me at this point.

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 08:33 PM

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 08:34 PM

We've been joking about Cobra's TV audition since he arrived. I'm not serious but I think he is trying to bring attention to himself.

I am not so sure that is the only reason he is there of course we know how these bounty hunters are Like the famous Lenny P on caylee's case I think in the end they do want to find the child even if they get their fame if they can do it kudos to them as long as they are not getting in the way of a investigation by the LE. One more person looking is great so I say send all bounty hunters and find this child it is going on 2 months and no one else has solved this....JMO

I also heard Roy Kronk was once a bounty Hunter he found caylee I wish he had found her alive but he never gave up and I think it was just his bounty skills that kept sending him out there. jmo
Dont give up on anyone even if you dont like how they talk we all have potty mouths at times...

odyssey

03-27-2009, 08:34 PM

No, I've been away for awhile and I've been trying to get back to speed. Is there a reason he is leaving?

I did hear a sheet/blanket has been found, is that true?

I

That's what i read in an article

Pat

03-27-2009, 08:35 PM

Well .. a "guess" but perhaps they have found people "tampering with evidence" while searching.

Did y'all hear that Cobra was leaving?

jmoo

I've seen both that he is leaving and that he has already left. I have no idea where this information started. Do you have a link by any chance?

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 08:36 PM

So you don't mind if she searches, as long as she does it your way. Okay.

I would imagine at this point she is aware of what she might find...but is searching anyway because she needs closure of some kind.

Me...I encourage her to do whatever brings her the most relief.

At least she isn't like Cindy Anthony and telling the world to "get off their azzes and look!". She isn't leaving it up to others...she's out doing it herself.Strange that she would ask this fame seeking, back-stabbing PI for help. :blink:

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 08:38 PM

odyssey

03-27-2009, 08:38 PM

I've seen both that he is leaving and that he has already left. I have no idea where this information started. Do you have a link by any chance?

sorry i was asking if anyone had heard he was leaving :)

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 08:39 PM

I wasn't around for those abuse pictures. Do you know where I may view them?

tia

I think the one that CS released is at www.artharris.com (http://www.artharris.com). Yesterday, RC's atty. released several that showed a picture the day before and several that had been taken thru out the healing process. I don't a link to those. JMO

Pat

03-27-2009, 08:40 PM

That makes two of us. Perhaps you could spearhead a probe to look into this. JK...

Serious question, can law enforcement tell private citizens they cannot conduct a search?

Evidently they can because Staub says a female "low-level" LE threatened to arrest them for tampering with evidence! :laugh:

Sounds like they have not endeared themselves to "several low-level" law enforcement officers. Can't imagine why.

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 08:45 PM

That makes two of us. Perhaps you could spearhead a probe to look into this. JK...

Serious question, can law enforcement tell private citizens they cannot conduct a search?

anyone can look the LE has done their searches if they missed something bad on them. If I were there I would be helping to search as hard as it would be I would still do it. I do not see how LE could tell people not to search as long as they are not going on property that the owners do not want them on or if they find something they should be told do not touch anything call LE....SEARCH ON is what I say. jmo

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 08:45 PM

Evidently they can because Staub says a female "low-level" LE threatened to arrest them for tampering with evidence! :laugh:

Sounds like they have not endeared themselves to "several low-level" law enforcement officers. Can't imagine why.

After seeing some of these people's records of law breaking, I'm thinking LE has had it up to their ears with some of these players. They were probably well aware of them way before Haleigh disappeared. JMO

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 08:51 PM

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 08:53 PM

There was all kinds of search groups all over Orlando looking for CA and I do not ever remember LE telling any of them not to search. I am very curious about this.

imo

IIRC those searches were coordinated by LE. I do know that some individuals from boards "said" they went out to search, but who knows.

I've searched with my dogs and on horseback for lots of missing in several states, but all under the guise of LE or TES. ALL the group searches have LE (retired or current) with a group and a CSI type (some students from the local college/university). Everyone is told to MARK an item/area with a flag and turn it over to the pros and move on. Do not touch, do not pick up just "leave it" like I trained my dogs. The reason is to protect any evidence and chain of evidence. Just imagine if a parent sees their child's stuffed animal laying in the woods that went missing with the child. "Most" grieving parents would rush to it and hug it. That would be the wrong thing to do, imo and LE's opinion. Some of this is "common sense" but it goes against the grain of family members that are so desperate to find the missing loved one. It is heartbreaking.

MOO and trying to explain the unexplainable to heartbroken families and friends and community. :(

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 08:54 PM

That's what i read in an article

Oh so this is true they found stuff who found it anyone know or have a link?

Pat

03-27-2009, 08:56 PM

After seeing/hearing about the abuse pictures that were released and finding out that in most likelyhood there is an explanation for the bruises, I would not put it past some searchers to plant "evidence". There's way too much animosity between these two families. Its a shame it has become a hatfield/mccoy type of relationship. It would be so much better it they would all work together to find little Haliegh. JMO

That's my thought, too.

There's obviously animosity between Staubs and LE, now LE wants no citizen searches.

This doesn't bode well for searches for Haleigh.

odyssey

03-27-2009, 08:57 PM

Od, anymore details about it you can share???

I posted the article a page or two back . .it had very little detail .. and everything else i have heard concerning evidence so far is rumour.

There is an article in the Palatka Daily News (their hard copy newspaper ONLY) from this past wednesday concerning Cobra but since it is a hard copy no one can read it so would be considered rumour too.

jmoo

Pat

03-27-2009, 08:59 PM

Strange that she would ask this fame seeking, back-stabbing PI for help.

Back at ya :blink:

Bet she doesn't ask him again once she sees that video.

teresa

03-27-2009, 09:00 PM

Maybe they have reason to believe a confession is coming.

It sounds like they do know something, doesn't it? I hope we know soon. It makes no sense otherwise because I am sure there are off duty LE's that would go with them. I have read that some off duties from outside Putnam Co have looked. This is confusing me.

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 09:01 PM

:confused:Maybe LE is afraid that volunteer's may contaminate a crime scene if they come up on something. ??????

If that is the case then why doesn't LE put a trained searcher with them to give them instructions and guidance.

MOO

Great Idea and agree not to hard to send someone out with a search group that is trained in what to do and what not to do. I know TES are very professional when they do their searches and who they allow to search they send someone that they train with every group of people.

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 09:01 PM

I agree. I know in the Trenton case, some posters from CTV went on several searches on their own time, and many of the photos they took proved to be invaluable. Thee Orange County police were very cooperative with helping those courageous women.

Your last sentence says it all = LE helped. There is the difference. IMO

Sorry to be redundant.

Might BBL. Take care folks and praying for Haleigh to come home.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 09:03 PM

The only important thing is that even though LE has quit searching, SHE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND!

The only way this 'do not search" thing makes sense to me is if they know she is alive. If so why not tell these poor people? Because one of them has her and they don't yet know where?

Call me confused.:confused:

ummm, I doubt that LE knows where Haleigh is or they would go get her. Maybe they have a concrete theory and are waiting to make their move. At any rate, if that were true why on earth would they care if people go search? Does not make sense to me.

After giving it some thought, I think they are concerned about planting evidence or contaminating a possible crime scene. LE needs to state to the public there is NO Searching and then LE needs to say why.
I don't get it. :confused:

MOO

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 09:06 PM

here is a link for a sheet with blood and rust on it that is supposed to have been found:
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4091345.php

I have seen a rumor that they found other items, but no link just hear say.

There is also a press release from RC's atty. at the above site. I had seen some of it, but this is really detailed. JMO

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 09:08 PM

Great Idea and agree not to hard to send someone out with a search group that is trained in what to do and what not to do. I know TES are very professional when they do their searches and who they allow to search they send someone that they train with every group of people.

Yes, I agree. Since LE is not searching then it seems to me they could spare a couple of experienced LE officers. I mean, after all, there is a missing child.

Also, LE needs to get on the horn and say, no unauthorized searches and give a reason why.
Just think what damage the PI's could have done to Caylee's remains if they found her. The way they were carelessly poking around in the ground they would have scattered her remains everywhere.
There are reasons if LE has an area they want protected.

Geesh. How frustrating!
:mad:

Pat

03-27-2009, 09:08 PM

Thank you Trinity. Sigh. I have so much to catch up with. I haven't had the chance to view those abuse photos that someone was kind enough to link for me. So I'm just going to ask you a question, if you can answer. I heard one of those photos that Ron's atty released showed a date/time stamp of 11/09. Is that true, being that Nov. is months away.

Go to the links thread and find the transcript for the NG show last night. You will get the information from the lawyer directly concerning those photos.

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 09:11 PM

Back at ya :blink:

Bet she doesn't ask him again once she sees that video.Back at ya? :confused: I was talking about TN, not you.

Taking all this a little personal? :blink:

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 09:12 PM

I know. LE is just acting too clueless.......KWIM?
I keep thinking about how they are answering reporters questions saying "We cannot tell you TODAY"..................

Also no one seems to be able to find this Greg fellow. I read today that he has a girlfriend and wonder what she has to say about all this.

Whenever LE has made any kind of statements, it didn't sound to me like they had any idea. Scary. Deep down I believe they do have an idea and are just not sharing with the family or public.
Maybe that is why they quit giving press conferences because they were going to continue to say we are following up on leads. I'm sure the detective in charge of the Haleigh investigation has told the LE force, NO LEAKS in this case.

Praying there will be a break soon.

JMO

teresa

03-27-2009, 09:13 PM

Thank you Trinity. Sigh. I have so much to catch up with. I haven't had the chance to view those abuse photos that someone was kind enough to link for me. So I'm just going to ask you a question, if you can answer. I heard one of those photos that Ron's atty released showed a date/time stamp of 11/09. Is that true, being that Nov. is months away.

Watch this video, it shows the times on the computer. It's 2008.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134693&catid=3

teresa

03-27-2009, 09:15 PM

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 09:17 PM

Back at ya :blink:

Bet she doesn't ask him again once she sees that video.

ITA

If Cobra really thought that TN tried to set him up then why didn't he go to LE with that feeling? I'm sure LE would have been interested to hear that a Cummings was trying to get them beat up or killed.

It is almost laughable to me because instead he puts up a video.

MOO

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 09:19 PM

Why ccouldn't Theresa just be up front and explain to Cobra why she brought him out there? Why so secretive?

I don't think she was secretive? Where did that come from?
She said she was walking around out there and heard a squeaky noise coming from the woods. So, why didn't Cobra who is afraid of nothing go check out one of the pens?
I do not think TN was being secretive! She could certainly see there was a camera in her face recording everything. Good heavens, if she was trying to set him up would grandma really be so brazen to do it on video?

MOO

i_pickle

03-27-2009, 09:20 PM

ITA

If Cobra really thought that TN tried to set him up then why didn't he go to LE with that feeling? I'm sure LE would have been interested to hear that a Cummings was trying to get them beat up or killed.

It is almost laughable to me because instead he puts up a video.

MOOLol, go and tell LE what and who said anyone was trying to beat him up? :rolleyes:

This gets more distorted by the minute.

teresa

03-27-2009, 09:20 PM

I remember that T.J. Hart had contacted him but I'm not sure how or where exactly but that he was in Satsuma.

Do you remember which show he said that on? I was going to go look for it but if it is that earlier show, they don't have transcripts.

teresa

03-27-2009, 09:27 PM

Thank you Theresa, Is that the entire collection? I didn't see one dated the for Nov. 09, so that could be a misunderstanding or a rumor.

Its curious though that Theresa had the presence of mind to photograph the progression of the injury. I wonder what her reason was.

Watch again. I think it says something like two days later (after the second day's pics) TN took these pictures on Nov 9. The computer screen then shows Nov 9, 2008.

I think they took them because they knew Crystal had called DCF on them before.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 09:28 PM

I am mad I haven't seen the video. Its pretty weird from what I hear.

I saw it today at www.artharris.com (http://www.artharris.com)

JMO

teresa

03-27-2009, 09:30 PM

You know I remember something about a gas station also. The last I heard from Hart was he was trying to make contact and that LE has made contact. Maybe LE found him at the gas station?????

He seems to be MIA for a reason. Perhaps LE took him in for other charges and are questioning him about this.

Sure would like to know what his girlfriend has to say. I cannot tell you how many cases are broke because of wives and girlfriends.

I "think" TJ said LE is aware of him but that's all they would say. I'm sure if they are aware, they have questioned him pretty hard. If not, I have no confidence in them at all.

teresa

03-27-2009, 09:51 PM

Did you misunderstand my earlier post? I was interested in seeing if there was a photo dated NEXT Nov. 09.. That's what I had read elsewhere. I see that isn't the case.

I don't think I misunderstood?? You heard a rumor is was dated 09 and I was just showing you it really was 08. Are we both confused? :mellow:

teresa

03-27-2009, 09:53 PM

I heard him actually use the word "contact" in reference to Greg and LE.

I was just thinking on how they interviewed Misty 14hrs straight as per her mom. I just feel very strongly that the FBI is behind every move and comment LE makes.

I really hope so. I'm trying to believe that they have a plan in mind and know exactly what they are doing. I don't want to never know...I would take that little girl to live with me in a minute. :sad:

Peaches

03-27-2009, 10:00 PM

So you don't mind if she searches, as long as she does it your way. Okay.

I would imagine at this point she is aware of what she might find...but is searching anyway because she needs closure of some kind.

Me...I encourage her to do whatever brings her the most relief.

At least she isn't like Cindy Anthony and telling the world to "get off their azzes and look!". She isn't leaving it up to others...she's out doing it herself.

As usual, you have all the right words. BRAVO, Pat!

MrLucky917B

03-27-2009, 10:01 PM

Not necessarily, the OCPD gave the Trenton posters assistance in only telling them where they may search. Interesting the Oscala National Park played into Trenton's story also.

The Ocala National Forest is also where LE beleives Jennifer Kessee is also...

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 10:01 PM

Secretative was my word, I just plucked it out of my vocabluary.I used the word to ask why didn't Theresa just tell Cobra why she happened to be walking there, and what she thought she heard. You have to admit it was odd that Theresa happened to choose that particular area to search. She must have had a reason, don't you think?

I don't know why TN initially went to that area Meadow. She could have gotten a tip, overheard someone talking or is just desperate to find Haleigh.

You have to admit if something terrible happened to Haleigh in the home then her body would have been dumped fairly close by. I just do not know what initiated the walk by TN in the first place.

She is just a desperate grieving grandmother to me.
MOO

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 10:04 PM

I know but lately they are adding TODAY to it.
I think we are going to get some answers sooner than we think! Someone is going down.

I hope you are right. I believe we will be surprised but not surprised when the truth is known.

I have several theories going on what may have happened. In fact, I think most have it narrowed down to about 3 / 4 scenarios.

Praying for Haleigh.

teresa

03-27-2009, 10:05 PM

LOL... I hope not, that could be dangerous.

So what do you think, will the public show up anyway tomorrow to search?

The ones interviewed seemed to want to. If it was me, I'd want a good reason why I couldn't.

CANDYKISSES

03-27-2009, 10:05 PM

Have you watched the video? It sure seem to me like it happened that way.

I am not saying I am a Cobra fan - by far. But, if he can help find Haleigh I do not care who looks for her.

MOO

Oddly enough many posters missed the second page to Art's article as well as several things Cobra stated during the video. I think some didn't even realize the video was pieced together and seemed to portray Cobra and Son in a light where they might appear like super-sleuths.

IF they couldn't find Teresa, then goodness gracious, how on earth would they find a missing Haleigh?

Nobody can say for sure what actually brought Teresa and Cobra together IMO unless you're sitting in front of BOTH OF THEM as they answer questions. JMO tho. :sad:

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 10:06 PM

To both of you, I really don't know. I " heard" somewhere, that she was kicked out of her home at the age of 16. So, imo she did not have a very good upbringing. My belieif is - you NEVER give up on your children.

MOO

I read it also that Misty and her brothers were kicked out of the house.
When is it ever right for a parent to kick a child out when they are still a minor?

ITA that you do not give up on your children!
MOO

teresa

03-27-2009, 10:07 PM

The Ocala National Forest is also where LE beleives Jennifer Kessee is also...

MrLucky, do I remember you saying it is a short trip from the MH by boat but a long way by road? Also, would those heat seeking planes have picked up someone small like Haleigh in your opinion?

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 10:09 PM

I'm with you Horse. As long as someone is helping to find Haleigh I could care less who they are. Someone is better than no one. The last search was two weeks ago the day Ron got married. Two weeks lost and down the drain.

If Cobra is allowed to search at free will why would the general public not be able to search at free will? I don't get the "no searching" part at all.

Waiting on a break in this case!:confused:
Where is Haleigh and who is looking for her? :confused:

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 10:12 PM

The Ocala National Forest is also where LE beleives Jennifer Kessee is also...

Oh MrLucky, Jennifer Kessee case is so close to my heart. I think about her parents all the time! I do wish that Jennifer Kessee case could be solved. I so admire her mom & dad.

Maybe that is where little Trenton is also. ??

:rose:All the lost angels.

CANDYKISSES

03-27-2009, 10:13 PM

Secretative was my word, I just plucked it out of my vocabluary.I used the word to ask why didn't Theresa just tell Cobra why she happened to be walking there, and what she thought she heard. You have to admit it was odd that Theresa happened to choose that particular area to search. She must have had a reason, don't you think?

Has Teresa made a statement concerning the video?

Why do you think that video is missing pieces?

What do you think Cobra would do for retribution if someone messes with him?

Do you believe they were trying to kill him? :confused:

I believe Ron pulled a fast one on Cobra as I mentioned to you last week and Cobra was madder than a snake himself. JMO tho. :ohmy:

Peaches

03-27-2009, 10:16 PM

IIRC those searches were coordinated by LE. I do know that some individuals from boards "said" they went out to search, but who knows.

I've searched with my dogs and on horseback for lots of missing in several states, but all under the guise of LE or TES. ALL the group searches have LE (retired or current) with a group and a CSI type (some students from the local college/university). Everyone is told to MARK an item/area with a flag and turn it over to the pros and move on. Do not touch, do not pick up just "leave it" like I trained my dogs. The reason is to protect any evidence and chain of evidence. Just imagine if a parent sees their child's stuffed animal laying in the woods that went missing with the child. "Most" grieving parents would rush to it and hug it. That would be the wrong thing to do, imo and LE's opinion. Some of this is "common sense" but it goes against the grain of family members that are so desperate to find the missing loved one. It is heartbreaking.

MOO and trying to explain the unexplainable to heartbroken families and friends and community. :(

You are one special person, Riverwalk.

Time Miller with TES is also another special person.

Thank you for all you do to help find the missing!:rose:

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 10:18 PM

Weren't her brothers married at the time? Were they all living there with Misty's parents? Both her brothers have children, and wifes. That's a lot of people in one house.

I'm just not sure about that meadow. I do know that her brothers have children but not sure if they are married. I'll try to locate where I read about Misty & brother(s) being kicked out of the house.
Heck, it could have been on another board but others have acknowledged they read it as well.
It didn't really surprise me at the time because of what I have seen of Misty's mother.
As a wife & mother myself, I'd not allow my hubby/their dad to kick a child(ren) out. Well, there would be war and he would be the one to ultimately leave. Just me but I am like that.:angry:

MOO

MrLucky917B

03-27-2009, 10:18 PM

MrLucky, do I remember you saying it is a short trip from the MH by boat but a long way by road? Also, would those heat seeking planes have picked up someone small like Haleigh in your opinion?

Yep the forest is on the other side of the river, but driving you have to go north to Palatka and then back south to the forest (about 20 miles).

When Tim came to search he had some new equipment that was used to search the river and didn't find anything, I'm not sure about the planes.

MrLucky917B

03-27-2009, 10:19 PM

I take it its a nasty place to search.

BIG and nasty......

CANDYKISSES

03-27-2009, 10:23 PM

Weren't her brothers married at the time? Were they all living there with Misty's parents? Both her brothers have children, and wifes. That's a lot of people in one house.

How would anyone know if her brothers and their wives were living there or married for that matter? How would knowing if a lot of people lived in another house help in finding Haleigh Cummings? :confused:

TIA.

teresa

03-27-2009, 10:27 PM

Yep the forest is on the other side of the river, but driving you have to go north to Palatka and then back south to the forest (about 20 miles).

When Tim came to search he had some new equipment that was used to search the river and didn't find anything, I'm not sure about the planes.

Thanks Mr. L. I went back and read about the planes but I have no idea how good they are at finding people/bodies. I guess something could be lost forever in that forest.