Thursday, March 26, 2009 #1

[rosieposett]

Good Morning. New Thread. Come Home Haleigh.

[rosieposett]

Please come home, sweet Haleigh:rose:

[Mel]

Could be JasonsGranny. We know she tried to call him as he was driving up. It would be interesting if she tried earlier while he was still working. When I leave my phone in the car, I don't think to check it when I get back in the car. My phone doesn't do a continuous beep after a call. He may not have thought to look since he thought everyone was asleep. I'm just theorizing here...we don't have any info other than the one call. We won't ever know if there are no arrests because they won't release their records.

It's frustrating, isn't it?

personally, it's the first thing i do, if i leave my phone in the car (check to see if anyone's called)..you never know if something important/urgent has happened, especially if you have children at home, while at work.

different strokes for different folks

[Mel]

good morning rosie:seeya:

[rosieposett]

personally, it's the first thing i do, if i leave my phone in the car (check to see if anyone's called)..you never know if something important/urgent has happened, especially if you have children at home, while at work.

different strokes for different folks

morning mel. I am a creature of habit and always check my phone when I have left it somewhere or walked away from it. Never know when the school has called about one of the kids being sick or whatever. I am just more attuned to my phone than most I guess. But that's just me. Don't know if Ron is that way.

[CANDYKISSES]

I think everyone is praying that Haleigh will come home safe and sound despite what we are told about the odds IMO. :wub:

ISSUES TRANSCRIPT

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/25/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Once again, Misty, if you`re watching, we want your side of all of this. We`ve tried to reach you unsuccessfully.

Darren, Misty was reportedly -- and let`s face it, I have no idea if any of this happened. I don`t know Cobra. I have questions about somebody named Cobra, even though that`s nickname and he has a real name.

But Misty was reportedly according to Cobra, on board for the reenactment at first. Then she allegedly said no. Cobra claims she freaks out and then threatens to leave Ron. Any thoughts on all of this?


I think Jane was using this trying to reach the competitive child in Misty to respond. I simply wish Misty would obtain the services of an attorney so they can let her know how she may be impeding the investigation and what consequences may or may not be in front of her. JMO tho.

:wub:Praying for Haleigh always.

[Mel]

O/T

i tried to send you a PM Rosie, but it wouldn't go through..

[rosieposett]

O/T

i tried to send you a PM Rosie, but it wouldn't go through..

I am sorry Mel. I must have messed it up somehow. I will try to fix it so anyone can pm me. thanks, rosie

[rosieposett]

I think everyone is praying that Haleigh will come home safe and sound despite what we are told about the odds IMO. :wub:

ISSUES TRANSCRIPT

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/25/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Once again, Misty, if you`re watching, we want your side of all of this. We`ve tried to reach you unsuccessfully.

Darren, Misty was reportedly -- and let`s face it, I have no idea if any of this happened. I don`t know Cobra. I have questions about somebody named Cobra, even though that`s nickname and he has a real name.

But Misty was reportedly according to Cobra, on board for the reenactment at first. Then she allegedly said no. Cobra claims she freaks out and then threatens to leave Ron. Any thoughts on all of this?


I think Jane was using this trying to reach the competitive child in Misty to respond. I simply wish Misty would obtain the services of an attorney so they can let her know how she may be impeding the investigation and what consequences may or may not be in front of her. JMO tho.

:wub:Praying for Haleigh always.

I want Misti to sing like a canary and tell the whole truth, warts and all. But I also realize she would probably be cutting her own throat. So fair is fair. The girl needs an attorney.

[Pat]

It's interesting to see how many take Cobra's word as gospel truth because it supports their POV.

I'm still waiting for him to break the case, as he implied he would be doing over a week ago.

If he's listening to the woman who saw helicopters and claimed an arrest warrant, more than one, was going to be issued before the day was out...what? almost two weeks ago now?...he's listening to the wrong group of people. That woman had people tuned into all the networks in frustration because they were waiting to see "breaking news" that never happened.

Other than what's been reported in the media from the 1st day, we know nothing except there have been no arrest warrants issued. What has been said by the media, by the main players, has been picked over and rehashed to death. But the case is where it was on Day 1. Haleigh is missing and there are no clues indicating what happened to her.

I hope she is found soon.

[Mel]

i don't think much of Cobra either way..if he cracks this case, great...if not, OK...the more people out actively trying to find what happened to Haleigh, the better, IMO..

[CANDYKISSES]

I want Misti to sing like a canary and tell the whole truth, warts and all. But I also realize she would probably be cutting her own throat. So fair is fair. The girl needs an attorney.

ITA Rosie, if some of these rumors alleged by COBRA are in fact true, then she may be fearing consequences that aren't even pertinent to what happened to Haleigh for all we know. She's not at the top of my list for suspects, but she is at the top of the list for not providing accurate information. :thumbdown:

I can imagine after hearing RC carrying on during the 911 call that SHE WOULD BE FEARFUL for her life IF SHE WAS OUT OF THE HOME, but that has never been proven and even when the allegation was first thrown out, there was some problem determining if this was one of those "what if " rumor mill allegations that developed steam from the web or if someone had actually come forward IIRC.

The importance of this can't be underestimated IMO as that would alert TN, GGM Sykes, CC, RC and other family if Misty is sincere in wanting to help get things straightened out as well as offer info on any timeline inconsistencies IMOO. :unsure:

[Peaches]

I think everyone is praying that Haleigh will come home safe and sound despite what we are told about the odds IMO. :wub:

ISSUES TRANSCRIPT

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/25/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Once again, Misty, if you`re watching, we want your side of all of this. We`ve tried to reach you unsuccessfully.

Darren, Misty was reportedly -- and let`s face it, I have no idea if any of this happened. I don`t know Cobra. I have questions about somebody named Cobra, even though that`s nickname and he has a real name.

But Misty was reportedly according to Cobra, on board for the reenactment at first. Then she allegedly said no. Cobra claims she freaks out and then threatens to leave Ron. Any thoughts on all of this?


I think Jane was using this trying to reach the competitive child in Misty to respond. I simply wish Misty would obtain the services of an attorney so they can let her know how she may be impeding the investigation and what consequences may or may not be in front of her. JMO tho.

:wub:Praying for Haleigh always.


CK,

I agree with you that Misty needs the help of an attorney.

She feels that since she has done nothing to HaLeigh, she does not. I hope that someone can change her mind.

moo

[Peaches]

It's interesting to see how many take Cobra's word as gospel truth because it supports their POV.

I'm still waiting for him to break the case, as he implied he would be doing over a week ago.

If he's listening to the woman who saw helicopters and claimed an arrest warrant, more than one, was going to be issued before the day was out...what? almost two weeks ago now?...he's listening to the wrong group of people. That woman had people tuned into all the networks in frustration because they were waiting to see "breaking news" that never happened.

Other than what's been reported in the media from the 1st day, we know nothing except there have been no arrest warrants issued. What has been said by the media, by the main players, has been picked over and rehashed to death. But the case is where it was on Day 1. Haleigh is missing and there are no clues indicating what happened to her.

I hope she is found soon.




WOW! POST OF THE WEEK! :thumbsup:

[CANDYKISSES]

It's interesting to see how many take Cobra's word as gospel truth because it supports their POV.

I'm still waiting for him to break the case, as he implied he would be doing over a week ago.

If he's listening to the woman who saw helicopters and claimed an arrest warrant, more than one, was going to be issued before the day was out...what? almost two weeks ago now?...he's listening to the wrong group of people. That woman had people tuned into all the networks in frustration because they were waiting to see "breaking news" that never happened.

Other than what's been reported in the media from the 1st day, we know nothing except there have been no arrest warrants issued. What has been said by the media, by the main players, has been picked over and rehashed to death. But the case is where it was on Day 1. Haleigh is missing and there are no clues indicating what happened to her.

I hope she is found soon.

ITA PAT and can think back to a few cases where we have heard such only to wait months and I UNDERSTAND why it takes time too. However, when people interject themselves in these cases, they need to be responsible for their words to family and media IMO.

Last night when I was listening to the audio interview of Cobra again, I found yet another inconsistency in his statement from my POV and to think Hart or whoever asked the question ASKED ONLY ONE QUESTION and got all his chatter iis mind boggling. That said, after reading a deposition on CA with a 40 year PI, I am extremely disappointed. VERY SAD to say the least at the total lack of professionalism once again. JMO:thumbdown: JMO tho.

BRING HALEIGH HOME ALREADY!

[bookie]

kkmiausa
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Originally Posted by Kathy*Rae View Post

What is your problem with the comment about urine soaked bed???? If the blanket that had covered Haleigh smelled like "pee" Misty's statement as to why she washed it, obviously the sheets HaLeigh laid in were soaked as well. Last I checked girls don't urinate upwards so it would only be on the blanket. That is the basis of the comment and an obvious assumption her bed was filthy,


I'm not Kathy Rae but my problem with it was the fact that that person didn't bother to state that any of that was her opinion while saying things like "we know for sure". We don't know for sure. If you want to assume something make that clear in your post. If it's your opinion then make it clear.

[CANDYKISSES]

CK,

I agree with you that Misty needs the help of an attorney.

She feels that since she has done nothing to HaLeigh, she does not. I hope that someone can change her mind.

moo

Me too Peaches, and I'm inclined to believe you're correct about her thinking. I wonder if any decent attorneys have approached her? :wink:

[JD1974]

I read the post about the sheets being filthy..well if Misty cared enough to wash the blanket why wouldn't she wash the sheets also? To me it makes no sense to assume she only washed the blanket if the bed had been peed on...why not just leave the blanket smelly also, kind of defeats the purpose imo.

[Peaches]

I thought Theresa said she was the one that carried Junior to LE the night of Haleigh's disappearance to be interviewed. In this video GGM Sykes is saying she was the one.

http://www.fox30online.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30118@video.fox30online.com&navCatId=5


The ONLY person I have heard say that they took Ron, Jr. to the LE.............was GGM Sykes.

Where did you hear Teresa say that? Just asking?

[CANDYKISSES]

I read the post about the sheets being filthy..well if Misty cared enough to wash the blanket why wouldn't she wash the sheets also? To me it makes no sense to assume she only washed the blanket if the bed had been peed on...why not just leave the blanket smelly also, kind of defeats the purpose imo.

I think it's just more of the projecting that goes on here to make her appear as the devil and it just ain't so IMO.

Some forget Crystal speaking out and talking about how the kids loved Misty, but that's all dismissed now due to rumors abounding. :sad:

Whatever Misty may or may not have done, I do not believe she left Haleigh to sleep in urine and find it disingenuous to Haleigh spreading it like wild fire. But that is JMO JD. :eek:

[CANDYKISSES]

Wow, how can the last person to see the girl not be on a list of suspects?

Snipped for response.

jmo

This is what was I posted and I'm puzzled at how you interpreted that as not being on the list period. :confused:

She's not at the top of my list for suspects, but she is at the top of the list for not providing accurate information. - Candy

I'm not ready to pass guilt out on the abduction of Haleigh and I'm still hoping for a miracle. I guess I could make the same case you have concerning Ron and Misty with Crystal and Chad, but again, I am hoping for a miracle. JMO :smile: JMO

[odyssey]

I read the post about the sheets being filthy..well if Misty cared enough to wash the blanket why wouldn't she wash the sheets also? To me it makes no sense to assume she only washed the blanket if the bed had been peed on...why not just leave the blanket smelly also, kind of defeats the purpose imo.

It has never been stated the sheets were wet on .. i don't know if you have children but i know my son has gotten pee on his blanket and not on the sheets .. really easy for the blanket to get bunched up beneath a child. And since my son and I sleep on the same bed, i'd know if the sheets were wet.

jmoo

[JD1974]

I think it's just more of the projecting that goes on here to make her appear as the devil and it just ain't so IMO.

Some forget Crystal speaking out and talking about how the kids loved Misty, but that's all dismissed now due to rumors abounding. :sad:

Whatever Misty may or may not have done, I do not believe she left Haleigh to sleep in urine and find it disingenuous to Haleigh spreading it like wild fire. But that is JMO JD. :eek:


I agree. I also think Misty does know something, I don't think she harmed Haleigh but I think there is something she is not telling and I cannot figure out why.

[Peaches]

I agree. Even tho its early and only a posts, its a good way to start.

Good morning all. Hoping for the best today for Haleigh.


Good Morning................hope today will be the day that HaLeigh comes home.

[JD1974]

It has never been stated the sheets were wet on .. i don't know if you have children but i know my son has gotten pee on his blanket and not on the sheets .. really easy for the blanket to get bunched up beneath a child. And since my son and I sleep on the same bed, i'd know if the sheets were wet.

jmoo


I have 6! My kids bring their blankets into almost every room in the house. Sometimes when they are watching tv, sometimes when they sneak into one of the other rooms in the middle of the night to sleep.

I just can't understand the poster who thinks Misty left dirty sheets on the bed yet washes the blanket? There is no point to that, the bed will still stink if the sheets are dirty, so why bother washing the smelly blanket?

[Peaches]

I agree. I also think Misty does know something, I don't think she harmed Haleigh but I think there is something she is not telling and I cannot figure out why.


JD1974.......................Good Morning!

Hopefully, today will be the day something breaks and HaLeigh comes home............my prayer, alive and well. And, yes, I do look at life via rose colored glasses! But, that is me..............

Not only do I think Misty did nothing to hurt HaLeigh -

I do not think that she put her to bed on dirty sheets. She cared enough not to cover her with a smelly blanket so why would she not care about the sheets smelling as well?

:seeya:

[Peaches]

I have 6! My kids bring their blankets into almost every room in the house. Sometimes when they are watching tv, sometimes when they sneak into one of the other rooms in the middle of the night to sleep.

I just can't understand the poster who thinks Misty left dirty sheets on the bed yet washes the blanket? There is no point to that, the bed will still stink if the sheets are dirty, so why bother washing the smelly blanket?


I certainly agree with this!

BTW...........I have blankets in my minivan for my grandchildren. They are simply tucked under the seats so if they get cold they have them...............so I see nothing wrong with Misty's blanket being in a van/car/etc.

[i_pickle]

Wow, how can the last person to see the girl not be on a list of suspects?

She needs to get real honest, and if she even gave a crap about that little girl, she wouldn't be so selfish, but I think shes in save Misty mode, along with Ron. They know they cant save Haleigh.

Look how Ron just scoffed, and I mean scoffed about juniors account of a black man, oh, and Misty just is rumored to be sleeping with a black man, so its not fathomable to Ron that man was in the house.

They are up to their eyeballs in this.

jmoI agree and until they get honest we may never know what happened to Haleigh.

[Owlface]

I have 6! My kids bring their blankets into almost every room in the house. Sometimes when they are watching tv, sometimes when they sneak into one of the other rooms in the middle of the night to sleep.

I just can't understand the poster who thinks Misty left dirty sheets on the bed yet washes the blanket? There is no point to that, the bed will still stink if the sheets are dirty, so why bother washing the smelly blanket?


I've never had the idea that when Misty was talking about washing Haleigh's blanket she meant a special small size blanket that was Haleigh's special blanket, I always have had the impression that it's a regular size blanket. Probably because Misty said that when Haleigh went to bed she covered her with a sheet and then when blanket was washed she covered her up with it. Special blankies are not used to cover up but to snuggle with. Any other opinions out there? I love my blankie and still sleep with it.

Edited to add: that's why I think too that it's odd that Misty would wash a blanket and not the sheets on Haleigh's bed. If a girl is sleeping and wets the bed, it's her sheets that would get wet, not necessarily the blanket. Because Misty's washing the blanket makes no sense at all I think doing this laundry is one of her detail lies or she washed the blanket because it had held Haleigh's expired body and she was getting rid of evidence. JMHO

[odyssey]

I've never had the idea that when Misty was talking about washing Haleigh's blanket she meant a special small size blanket that was Haleigh's special blanket, I always have had the impression that it's a regular size blanket. Probably because Misty said that when Haleigh went to bed she covered her with a sheet and then when blanket was washed she covered her up with it. Special blankies are not used to cover up but to snuggle with. Any other opinions out there? I love my blankie and still sleep with it.

Edited to add: that's why I think too that it's odd that Misty would wash a blanket and not the sheets on Haleigh's bed. If a girl is sleeping and wets the bed, it's her sheets that would get wet, not necessarily the blanket. Because Misty's washing the blanket makes no sense at all I think doing this laundry is one of her detail lies or she washed the blanket because it had held Haleigh's expired body and she was getting rid of evidence. JMHO

My previous post upthread explains it.

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree. I also think Misty does know something, I don't think she harmed Haleigh but I think there is something she is not telling and I cannot figure out why.

The only thing I can think of at this time is perhaps it involves telling about participating in something illegal or straight up FEAR IF she was outside of the home.

This is largely why I think if she could confide in a lawyer and had a guarantee of trust, she might be able to open up more. I believe she might have grown up fearing LE as opposed to welcoming them for help. JMO tho and nothing more. It's pretty brazen if she really did get up and walk out, and I'm assuming she fully understands they can't force her to stay. JMO tho. :unsure:

[JD1974]

I've never had the idea that when Misty was talking about washing Haleigh's blanket she meant a special small size blanket that was Haleigh's special blanket, I always have had the impression that it's a regular size blanket. Probably because Misty said that when Haleigh went to bed she covered her with a sheet and then when blanket was washed she covered her up with it. Special blankies are not used to cover up but to snuggle with. Any other opinions out there? I love my blankie and still sleep with it.

Edited to add: that's why I think too that it's odd that Misty would wash a blanket and not the sheets on Haleigh's bed. If a girl is sleeping and wets the bed, it's her sheets that would get wet, not necessarily the blanket. Because Misty's washing the blanket makes no sense at all I think doing this laundry is one of her detail lies or she washed the blanket because it had held Haleigh's expired body and she was getting rid of evidence. JMHO


Then why mention washing it at all? You cannot tell when a blanket has been washed...I would hope LE checked out the washer, if there was something incriminating in the washer we would have an arrest.

I guess I just don't get why someone would lie about washing a blanket, when you can't tell when one was washed. She could of said she washed it the day before.

[Owlface]

The only thing I can think of at this time is perhaps it involves telling about participating in something illegal or straight up FEAR IF she was outside of the home.

This is largely why I think if she could confide in a lawyer and had a guarantee of trust, she might be able to open up more. I believe she might have grown up fearing LE as opposed to welcoming them for help. JMO tho and nothing more. It's pretty brazen if she really did get up and walk out, and I'm assuming she fully understands they can't force her to stay. JMO tho. :unsure:

LE won't be able to protect her from Ron's wrath.

[kitty1182]

Praying today is the day Haleigh comes home.

[i_pickle]

I've never had the idea that when Misty was talking about washing Haleigh's blanket she meant a special small size blanket that was Haleigh's special blanket, I always have had the impression that it's a regular size blanket. Probably because Misty said that when Haleigh went to bed she covered her with a sheet and then when blanket was washed she covered her up with it. Special blankies are not used to cover up but to snuggle with. Any other opinions out there? I love my blankie and still sleep with it.

Edited to add: that's why I think too that it's odd that Misty would wash a blanket and not the sheets on Haleigh's bed. If a girl is sleeping and wets the bed, it's her sheets that would get wet, not necessarily the blanket. Because Misty's washing the blanket makes no sense at all I think doing this laundry is one of her detail lies or she washed the blanket because it had held Haleigh's expired body and she was getting rid of evidence. JMHOI'm not sure why there is focus on the sheets. I read some of last nights thread and maybe I missed it but do we even know if there were sheets?

When they did the walk through there were sheets on both beds but no pillow cases. Ggm Sykes straightened up the house and may have put sheets on the mattresses that were lying on the floor. Who knows if there even were sheets the night Haleigh disappeared?

Just sayin...

[odyssey]

Is there anyone here that is able to get the paper copy newspaper of the Palatka Daily News please? If so please let me know.

[JD1974]

The only thing I can think of at this time is perhaps it involves telling about participating in something illegal or straight up FEAR IF she was outside of the home.

This is largely why I think if she could confide in a lawyer and had a guarantee of trust, she might be able to open up more. I believe she might have grown up fearing LE as opposed to welcoming them for help. JMO tho and nothing more. It's pretty brazen if she really did get up and walk out, and I'm assuming she fully understands they can't force her to stay. JMO tho. :unsure:



I agree about the feelings toward LE but I really think it is different from fear I think it is contempt.

[Owlface]

Then why mention washing it at all? You cannot tell when a blanket has been washed...I would hope LE checked out the washer, if there was something incriminating in the washer we would have an arrest.

I guess I just don't get why someone would lie about washing a blanket, when you can't tell when one was washed. She could of said she washed it the day before.

Bolding mine - That's why I believe the whole blanket washing issue is one more of her lies. It's been said before that it's commonly known that one of the tells of lying is adding stupid details to the story.

[CANDYKISSES]

Candy, how can you make the same case for Crystal and Chad, when Haleigh was taken while in the care of ronald and misty, from the trailer?

As I stated above, I am not ready to assign guilt to anyone concerning the abduction of Haleigh Cummings.

However amidst all the flutter and accusations and responding to a poster who feels Ron and Misty are in it up to their necks, I was stating that if you interjected a motive such as money, and brought the baggage out, you could just as easily see them as suspect too. JMO

Remember LE still maintains that everyone is a suspect IIRC. :sad:

[JD1974]

JD1974.......................Good Morning!

Hopefully, today will be the day something breaks and HaLeigh comes home............my prayer, alive and well. And, yes, I do look at life via rose colored glasses! But, that is me..............

Not only do I think Misty did nothing to hurt HaLeigh -

I do not think that she put her to bed on dirty sheets. She cared enough not to cover her with a smelly blanket so why would she not care about the sheets smelling as well?

:seeya:


Morning Peaches! I too just wish someone would find this little girl. Both sides of her family are being ripped to shreds and who knows what has really happened to her. They need a break in this case badly.

[Owlface]

As I stated above, I am not ready to assign guilt to anyone concerning the abduction of Haleigh Cummings.

However amidst all the flutter and accusations and responding to a poster who feels Ron and Misty are in it up to their necks, I was stating that if you interjected a motive such as money, and brought the baggage out, you could just as easily see them as suspect too. JMO

Remember LE still maintains that everyone is a suspect IIRC. :sad:

Please explain to me how money is a motive for Crystal and/or Chad to do something to Haleigh? We know that her CS for one child is almost the same as for the two of them. We know that nothing can change child support arrears. So what do you think the money motive is?

[JD1974]

Bolding mine - That's why I believe the whole blanket washing issue is one more of her lies. It's been said before that it's commonly known that one of the tells of lying is adding stupid details to the story.


The only problem is that with adding that she opened herself to more scrutiny from LE because she stated she washed it. This girl is street smart, she knows if she mentions washing blankets on the night a child disappears someone will definitely take notice of it.

[CANDYKISSES]

LE won't be able to protect her from Ron's wrath.

OMG, this is one reason I'm still reserved concerning Misty. It would be like sleeping with the enemy if she did something to compromise the safety of the children, (accidental or not) and Haleigh was a victim of a stranger abduction IMO.

I *believe* I might have moved back home if I were Misty and that was the case. :crying: JMO

[JD1974]

OMG, this is one reason I'm still reserved concerning Misty. It would be like sleeping with the enemy if she did something to compromise the safety of the children, (accidental or not) and Haleigh was a victim of a stranger abduction IMO.

I *believe* I might have moved back home if I were Misty and that was the case. :crying: JMO



I think I would fear Ron more than LE if I were the one who took his daughter.

[rosieposett]

I've never had the idea that when Misty was talking about washing Haleigh's blanket she meant a special small size blanket that was Haleigh's special blanket, I always have had the impression that it's a regular size blanket. Probably because Misty said that when Haleigh went to bed she covered her with a sheet and then when blanket was washed she covered her up with it. Special blankies are not used to cover up but to snuggle with. Any other opinions out there? I love my blankie and still sleep with it.

Edited to add: that's why I think too that it's odd that Misty would wash a blanket and not the sheets on Haleigh's bed. If a girl is sleeping and wets the bed, it's her sheets that would get wet, not necessarily the blanket. Because Misty's washing the blanket makes no sense at all I think doing this laundry is one of her detail lies or she washed the blanket because it had held Haleigh's expired body and she was getting rid of evidence. JMHO

Good post, Owl. I have had some of the same suspicious thoughts concerning Misti and the laundry she supposedly did that night. Something is not quite right about it, sort of sets off my hinky meter.

If Misti did not come home from her bender until Monday daytime, which I don't know when she came home just guessing, she would have no idea about what shape Haleigh's bed was in. I still have the feeling the first response from Misti is correct that Haleigh was sleeping in the bed with her and Jr. jmo

[Mimi428]

Look how Ron just scoffed, and I mean scoffed about juniors account of a black man, oh, and Misty just is rumored to be sleeping with a black man, so its not fathomable to Ron that man was in the house.

They are up to their eyeballs in this.

jmo

<snipped>

If Junior related that someone was in the house - that would support Misty & Ron's claim that Misty did nothing, that she is innocent of any wrongdoing & that someone pried the lock or otherwise entered the home through a locked door. But instead of taking the position of "oh look - even my son can verify & support our story" - Ron scoffs at it. I keep asking myself why Ron would be so quick to negate that story when it helps, rather than hurts, his & Misty's assertion that Haleigh disappeared because someone came into the home & took her.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Yes they do.

Where is everyone?? Is everyone afraid to post or leave links???

Some docs and videos were released in the CA case yesterday so that may be keeping people tied up?

:shrug:

[i_pickle]

Yes they do.

Where is everyone?? Is everyone afraid to post or leave links???There's not a lot new to post.

And it seems that there is a lot of over-reacting to opposing opinions with all the reporting that goes on here. :rolleyes: I came here early yesterday and the board was shut down.

[rosieposett]

The only problem is that with adding that she opened herself to more scrutiny from LE because she stated she washed it. This girl is street smart, she knows if she mentions washing blankets on the night a child disappears someone will definitely take notice of it.

You know. Street smarts only goes so far when a person is simple. jmo

[Owlface]

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If Junior related that someone was in the house - that would support Misty & Ron's claim that Misty did nothing, that she is innocent of any wrongdoing & that someone pried the lock or otherwise entered the home through a locked door. But instead of taking the position of "oh look - even my son can verify & support our story" - Ron scoffs at it. I keep asking myself why Ron would be so quick to negate that story when it helps, rather than hurts, his & Misty's assertion that Haleigh disappeared because someone came into the home & took her.

JMO

Ron wants to handle the person himself; he doesn't want to leave it up to LEC. He said as much in the initial 911 call and again when he said he was going to take out the trash when it was time.

Having said this, I don't blame Ron for wanting to deal with the evildoer himself. I've often thought to myself, after seeing that the criminal justice system is all about justice for criminals, that if someone were to hurt one of my kids I wouldn't count on the system for justice I'd handle it myself.

(Which is ironic now in light of my son's murder)

[rosieposett]

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If Junior related that someone was in the house - that would support Misty & Ron's claim that Misty did nothing, that she is innocent of any wrongdoing & that someone pried the lock or otherwise entered the home through a locked door. But instead of taking the position of "oh look - even my son can verify & support our story" - Ron scoffs at it. I keep asking myself why Ron would be so quick to negate that story when it helps, rather than hurts, his & Misty's assertion that Haleigh disappeared because someone came into the home & took her.

JMO

Bolding mine.

Very good point, Mimi. I had not thought of that. Good point.

[IlliniFan]

Perhaps, Jr. has never mentioned the man in black taking sissy, to Ron.

imo

[?noanswer]

Gosh, you guys sure know how to clear a room, lol.

I know this is common knowledge for most of you but is the building for Crystal's foundation donated? Is the money to run her (or rather Haleigh's) foundation donated or is she self-supporting it? Thanks.


I read earlier that it was a closed pizza place and that the owner normally charged 1500. per month rent, but was giving a reduced price of 500. per month. I think the purple paint was donated. I also get the impression that CS is living there as it was mentioned that it was open 24/7 for tips. They are selling T-shirts, bracelets, etc. Before they took the website down, it was asking for donations for CS to use to buy clothes for RC & Cloe among other things. By the way the web page has changed this AM. Before it was saying "under construction". Now there is a message that say something if you are the owner of the web page to click for instructions on how to get you information posted. JMO

[JD1974]

You know. Street smarts only goes so far when a person is simple. jmo


True, but Misty knows as long as she keeps saying she was asleep that is the end all beat all answer...so why add more in that she doesn't have to?

[Peaches]

Ron wants to handle the person himself; he doesn't want to leave it up to LEC. He said as much in the initial 911 call and again when he said he was going to take out the trash when it was time.

Having said this, I don't blame Ron for wanting to deal with the evildoer himself. I've often thought to myself, after seeing that the criminal justice system is all about justice for criminals, that if someone were to hurt one of my kids I wouldn't count on the system for justice I'd handle it myself.

(Which is ironic now in light of my son's murder)

What????????????????????

Say it is not so! Your son's murder???????????????

This must be a nightmare for you................so so sorry!

Leaves me speachless..............but, I truly am sorry!

[Owlface]

I personally don't see the fear in Misty towards RC that most of you do.
She partied all weekend, she refused to do the walk thru and threatened to leave him according to Cobra....she also walked out of the interview. I think she associates with characters a lot worse than RC. Cousin Joe, Greg, etc. I do think that RC knows what the deal is with Greg...if he cares about an affair I doubt he would still be with her. Cousin Joe also, he is adamant about him not being there and about the fight they didn't have. This has drugs written all over it. People invoved in this activity do not act (as we would call) normal. I think that is what's frustrating LE they can 't get a straight story. I do hope Jr. is o.k. with GGM. Until this mess is settled I am worried about that little boy as well. It is obvious he did see something.IMO

I agree - Misty does not seem to be afraid of Ron. I believe this is because she's got something on him and if she goes down he goes down. Ron's into self-preservation now also. And Haleigh gets thrown under the bus.

[JD1974]

You know. Street smarts only goes so far when a person is simple. jmo



If as some think here Misty did something to Haleigh and disposed of her she must not be too simple, she has outwitted LE so far and they haven't found where Misty hid her....

[?noanswer]

Just a few thoughts. RE Misty getting an attorney. That costs beacoup bucks and a retainer has to be paid up front. Maybe no one has volunteered their service yet, because they don't know how much might be involved.

JR's story about Black man. He sure didn't seem to interested in relaying info to GR. Could have been because of the cameras, etc. I think what he told LE at the very beginning will be considered more reliable than what is reported he said a couple or more weeks after the fact.

Whenever I see a viral, hate spewing post about either side, I see that as being a person who is closely connected to the people they are supporting and just skip on thru it.

I'm just glad I'm not in LE's position. Seems they have people phoning in tips that are as far out as some of the things that are posted on message boards. Also, I don't care for blogs. They just give the blogger a format to post their opinion. Also some of the owners receive a fee everytime someone goes to the blog site. I think that is the reason they join message board and link to their site. It is providing income to them.

Having said all the above, I just want this case resolved and the bricks fall where they may. Too many people who loved Haleigh are hurting. They need to get their lives back, although they were never be the same.


JMO

[JD1974]

I agree - Misty does not seem to be afraid of Ron. I believe this is because she's got something on him and if she goes down he goes down. Ron's into self-preservation now also. And Haleigh gets thrown under the bus.



I don't think Misty has anything on Ron, I think if she did she would of already cut herself a deal.

[i_pickle]

I personally don't see the fear in Misty towards RC that most of you do.
She partied all weekend, she refused to do the walk thru and threatened to leave him according to Cobra....she also walked out of the interview. I think she associates with characters a lot worse than RC. Cousin Joe, Greg, etc. I do think that RC knows what the deal is with Greg...if he cares about an affair I doubt he would still be with her. Cousin Joe also, he is adamant about him not being there and about the fight they didn't have. This has drugs written all over it. People invoved in this activity do not act (as we would call) normal. I think that is what's frustrating LE they can 't get a straight story. I do hope Jr. is o.k. with GGM. Until this mess is settled I am worried about that little boy as well. It is obvious he did see something.IMOBold mine~

I agree, I think there are drugs involved too.

[Abbie]

Drugs were my first thought.

[JD1974]

Still don't think she did it...but someone she knows or associated with. IMO



I am between thinking that and still thinking it is a SO. I just don't have enough real info from LE to totally make my mind up yet. Also, it could be a mixture of the two, someone she is associated with who is also a SO.

[i_pickle]

Still don't think she did it...but someone she knows or associated with. IMOand associated with Ron, imo.

[crymeariver2006]

If as some think here Misty did something to Haleigh and disposed of her she must not be too simple, she has outwitted LE so far and they haven't found where Misty hid her....

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to dispose of a body.

IF that's what happened.

JMO

[JD1974]

and associated with Ron, imo.


I honestly think if Ron knew who it was he would be dead, or close to it. I started off thinking about the drug angle but I think Ron would of known right away who it was and probably would of never even called 911.

[JD1974]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to dispose of a body.

IF that's what happened.

JMO


No but it takes someone with street smarts to avoid being caught so far, especially when that person was the last to have seen the missing child. Which was my point in the beginning, Misty has street smarts.

[IlliniFan]

I remember that also, but I am horrible with links.

I know it has to be on this board, but I can not remember what day.

The reason I remember it is because we had a big discussion on this forum about Ron going to LE and TN taking JR to the LE and we were all wondering " why" they left Misty at the house alone. Some people thought maybe - a police officer stayed at the home with Misty.

This case has so many twist and turns, it is hard to keep things straight!

MOO

I don't think LE would leave the last person to see Haleigh alive, alone in the tailer. I would think that LE would want to question Ron and Misty separately. LE questioning Misty in the trailer makes sense to me, becuase she was in the trailer when Haliegh was taken. If she was there w/LE they were probably careful not to touch potential evidence.

As to who took Jr. to LE, I'm don't know if it was Sykes or Neves. I don't know that it matters all that much. I think Mrs. Sykes lives fairly close. I can understand why a family member would have called her when they found out Haleigh was missing, though..

[JD1974]

KTee don't you think if she stank the school would of notified someone? In every picture I have seen of her she looked clean and so did her surroundings. Did I miss something?

[i_pickle]

I honestly think if Ron knew who it was he would be dead, or close to it. I started off thinking about the drug angle but I think Ron would of known right away who it was and probably would of never even called 911.I think he does think he knows who it is because of his comments that first night.

LOL @ big, bad Ron. He's either a dangerous man or a great father and all around good guy. Which is it? :blink:

(hypothetical question)

[odyssey]

Some people in my opinion must have evil in their hearts and are not deserving of a response.
I've become increasingly downhearted over a lot of things going on lately.
I hope Haleigh, truth, goodness, and compassion win out.

jmoo

[JD1974]

Which is why I think RC is running the show, has been since his blubbering 911 call. GMAB! What kind of MAN would do this on the 911 call? A man with a lot to hide, that's who. Make yourself incoherent, yeah, then they can't use that against you. It was a lame decision on his part. And, one I might add that will make me never let him off the hook in this case. For those who have missed the body language between ron and misty; you've not seen abuse and control up close and personal as it's there from the 911 call onward.
:rolleyes:



My husband sobbed like a baby when his brother died. I didn't realize real men couldn't have feelings. Sorry I asked.

[JD1974]

Didn't Ron allude to who it was more than once?
His 911 call.
His first press release, and a few after that.
His 75% sure at the vigil

IMO, Ron knows who, why and when.


Well then why isn't she back and the perp in jail?

[?noanswer]

I remember that also, but I am horrible with links.

I know it has to be on this board, but I can not remember what day.

The reason I remember it is because we had a big discussion on this forum about Ron going to LE and TN taking JR to the LE and we were all wondering " why" they left Misty at the house alone. Some people thought maybe - a police officer stayed at the home with Misty.

This case has so many twist and turns, it is hard to keep things straight!

MOO

I have always thought it was GGM that took JR to LE. I doubt that LE left the trailer or Misty alone until they had got all the information that they could at the time. They did not turn the trailer back to Ron until several weeks later. I think I did read where they escorted Ron inside to get some clothes, etc. JMO

[rosieposett]

she has the same looks as your bull dog too.



uh oh. I'm toast.

It is uncalled for Iceman that you should insult the man's dog. :laugh:

[Owlface]

OH No JD I believe real men have feelings and they can cry. What ron was doing was an act, and he didn't get one over on me, that's all hon.
Don't take it personally, I love men who cry. RC was not "crying" that night on the 911 call, he was directing misty to call, so that he was not the one who was caught on tape. His blubbering was a red flag to me, and I believe it was an act. That's my impression though, I've got him pegged. I truly doubt I will be wrong in this case.
I think that the problem in this home was RC and I'm sticking to my gut feelings, of what a controlling abuser looks and acts like. Listen to the 911 tape again. No I'm sorry, no man with an ounce of true love for his child would do this on the most important call of his life.
I'm sorry about that. That's my take on him and I'm sticking to it.
He is an abusive man, he controls young girls, impregnates them and then takes the children from them in a vindictive manner. IT's a win for him, it's not about love or whats best for the child. It's all about Him.

and his hdtv in the bedroom and his computer, and his underage girls that he likes to knock up. I can't put it any nicer than that. The problem in this case is RC and that will one day most likely come to light in the charges.


I totally agree with this post. He was "blubbering" in that one video where he's wearing a striped polo shirt and holding a picture of Haleigh. I saw that first before I heard the 911 call and that video is where I got his number. I think it's the one where he said he was going to take out the trash when it was time. That whole episode that was on video I believe was an act.

[JD1974]

OH No JD I believe real men have feelings and they can cry. What ron was doing was an act, and he didn't get one over on me, that's all hon.
Don't take it personally, I love men who cry. RC was not "crying" that night on the 911 call, he was directing misty to call, so that he was not the one who was caught on tape. His blubbering was a red flag to me, and I believe it was an act. That's my impression though, I've got him pegged. I truly doubt I will be wrong in this case.
I think that the problem in this home was RC and I'm sticking to my gut feelings, of what a controlling abuser looks and acts like. Listen to the 911 tape again. No I'm sorry, no man with an ounce of true love for his child would do this on the most important call of his life.
I'm sorry about that. That's my take on him and I'm sticking to it.
He is an abusive man, he controls young girls, impregnates them and then takes the children from them in a vindictive manner. IT's a win for him, it's not about love or whats best for the child. It's all about Him.

and his hdtv in the bedroom and his computer, and his underage girls that he likes to knock up. I can't put it any nicer than that. The problem in this case is RC and that will one day most likely come to light in the charges.



Gotcha, I thought you were meaning in general :)

[Peaches]

JD I dont know how to even say this nicely and being diplomatic is not my strong point. I will say that every single child I've ever known as a bed wetter, has always smelled. Maybe not every day; but most days.

Don't you remember the bed wetters that you went to school with? I remember almost all of the ones in my classses. Why? Because they wreaked of urine for the most part. The teachers knew.....teachers did not have a lot of control then and also this is a hygiene issue. She was just starting school but missed so much and the missing day's are a huge issue with me. I think that the whole bedroom would have smelled, her mattress would have smelled, to any of us that would have entered that night upon the scene of her missing. Maybe things were cleaned up later, but what LE came across I'm sure was not pretty. And Im 100% positive that that trailer wreaked of urine. From the laundry at the back door to the bedroom.

In most homes, when you have a bedwetter, and you try to ignore it and let it run it's course, you wash wash wash the clothing sheets and everything on a daily basis and it's take a lot of patience. Something I see RC does not have. Misty? I'm not so sure; I think she has a huge problems though, from intelligence to legal it won't be long until she is put in cuffs and taken in. It's just sad that in this case, the public is not outside their door, clamoring for her to be taken out of the community like they did in Caylee's case.

Does anyone know if the washing machine was broken in that place?
Kat


Hello again...........................:wub:

Today they have those things called "pullups"...........and overnight things............for children who are older and still wet the bed.

These children do not smell ...................and you do not have to wash bed clothes everyday.

Just thought I would throw this out.

If a child is wetting everynight.............would you not use these and save yourself work?

Just asking.............????

[Owlface]

KTee don't you think if she stank the school would of notified someone? In every picture I have seen of her she looked clean and so did her surroundings. Did I miss something?

First of all, a child smelling of pee at school does not warrant a Child Protection call (especially when said CP considers hitting with a switch to be appropriate "natural" discipline.

Second of all - why do you and many other posters think you know what goes on in a family by looking at pictures? I have never been able to understand this. Pictures do not accurately reflect what their life is like. For one thing, some kids love to have their picture taken and will smile for the camera and it's got nothing to do with what's going on in their life at the time. My son had a very normal life but to look at his pictures you'd think he was miserable - he hated having his picture taken and always made faces or otherwise acted up.

[i_pickle]

I don't believe Ron or Misty have told LE everything they know because of fear of legal reprecussions...probably drugs. I think that TN and ggm Sykes are covering for both Ron and Misty.

Their failure to be honest with LE is hindering the investigation and that speaks volumes about all of them, imo.

AMOO

[Peaches]

Some people in my opinion must have evil in their hearts and are not deserving of a response.
I've become increasingly downhearted over a lot of things going on lately.
I hope Haleigh, truth, goodness, and compassion win out.

jmoo


Odyssey.................I see this also.

MOO is this is the reason there have been so many posters leaving...............they do not appreciate all the post.

And..........they do not appreciate being trashed for their own opinions.

Just me..................

[Peaches]

Bam Bam................

Along with the blankets in my van, I have 2 car seats always............

Gotta go picku those babies................

See you tonight.

Find Haleigh!

[Owlface]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to dispose of a body.

IF that's what happened.

JMO

I agree, it doesn't take a rocket scientist. We would all sleep better if we thought that committing the "perfect" murder was very difficult to do and one had to be very very cunning, intelligent whatever to do so. I believe we are deluding ourselves, it is very easy to "get away with murder" just look at Trenton Duckett and several other high profile deaths/disappearances for confirmation.

[CANDYKISSES]

I think I would fear Ron more than LE if I were the one who took his daughter.

That's one of the reasons I can't settle on a theory. I would fear him more too IF it was my poor decision that could have cost him one of his children either kidnapped or worse. But that's JMO :chicken:

[bkwits]

Still don't think the relationship with RC and MC was anything more than that of convenience. He needed a sitter, she needed a place to live. of course I think they met within the same circle of people. Spotlight wasn't on her age until all this happened and figured better get married.IMO

I agree. I think you nailed it. IMO

[Peaches]

That's one of the reasons I can't settle on a theory. I would fear him more too IF it was my poor decision that could have cost him one of his children either kidnapped or worse. But that's JMO :chicken:


OT...............check your pm please.

TIA..................:seeya:

[CC I See]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to dispose of a body.

IF that's what happened.

JMO I agree, look at past missing person cases of which there are many. I think the person or persons just need events to fall into place.

I remember a case in San Antonio where a man killed his step daughter in a rage, wrapped her body in an area rug and then put her in a nearby dumpster. It was never found, he was later found guilty of another crime but never charged with this one.

Being smart has nothing to do with it, because if the person was smart, they wouldn't kill another human being.

[JD1974]

First of all, a child smelling of pee at school does not warrant a Child Protection call (especially when said CP considers hitting with a switch to be appropriate "natural" discipline.

Second of all - why do you and many other posters think you know what goes on in a family by looking at pictures? I have never been able to understand this. Pictures do not accurately reflect what their life is like. For one thing, some kids love to have their picture taken and will smile for the camera and it's got nothing to do with what's going on in their life at the time. My son had a very normal life but to look at his pictures you'd think he was miserable - he hated having his picture taken and always made faces or otherwise acted up.

I never said I knew everything about their family. I can tell you that when most people take a picture they don't hurry and clean the house to snap a kid with surprise while opening a present, nor do they try to pick the only clean spot in the house.

[CANDYKISSES]

KTee don't you think if she stank the school would of notified someone? In every picture I have seen of her she looked clean and so did her surroundings. Did I miss something?

I do, as it is a hygiene concern and I could easily see the teacher going to the nurse and from there the nurse to parents the first time. But after that it would go to the Health Department and/or DCF IMOO.

Every picture of those children show children who are well groomed and happy normal children IMO.

If you want to dispute the pictures Kim and Crystal have accumulated, well, they could be anything but I believe the playground injury manifested into something similar to a hematoma and have personally seen it happen over a period of days. The facial structure is complex when it comes to the clotting of blood and injury. JMO tho. :sad:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3682

IF there was abuse going on, then everyone collecting pics can share a cell with the abuser IMOO. I have stood beside a woman afraid of a man as she fought to keep her children and prove the abuse against the odds. She went to jail for contempt so she didn't have to leave those children alone with their father, and she really didn't have the back bone to fight, but she did. :wub:

[beachpatty]

Hello again...........................:wub:

Today they have those things called "pullups"...........and overnight things............for children who are older and still wet the bed.

These children do not smell ...................and you do not have to wash bed clothes everyday.

Just thought I would throw this out.

If a child is wetting everynight.............would you not use these and save yourself work?

Just asking.............????

IF there home was a "normal" functional home, I would think that would be very probable, it just doesn't seem to me that it was, moo, of course.
My daughter wet the bed till she was almost 7 and that was before overnight pull ups, she was born in 1974 (I was a very young mother), but we tried, we woke her up every night before we went to bed, maybe 10 or 11 ish, supported her half asleep body over the toidy and hoped, sometimes it worked, sometimes not, along with stopping any fluids at least 2 hours before bedtime. I do know that on the mornings that it had not worked, I stripped the bed, washed off the plastic mattress cover, opened the windows to air the room and of course, laundered ALL the bedclothes. I also used baby powder before putting the sheets back on and remaking the bed, just to be sure my child did not have that pizzy smell on her at all. She never went to school or anywhere else before she was completely bathed, hair washed, etc. It was a pain in the butt chore, especially if it was 3 or 4 times a week, but, as a parent, it had to be done, her Dad knew the whole routine and he also participated, as well.

I am not seeing Ron and Misty's house as one of planning ahead or having necessary supplies on hand, with just Ron working, one income to pay all the household bills, vehicle bills, etc, I doubt money was a strong suit there. I also doubt that Misty was a concientious list making, coupon cutting grocery shopper, she just doesn't seem to have come from a "Martha Stewart" type background, again MOO, formed from what I have observed of the family scenerios. The bed wetting was probably not handled per what child rearing experts write books about, it was more likely, "you peed the bed, AGAIN!", followed by a smack. Overnighters or Pullups are probably not cheap, another extra when you barely have enough grocery money.

I could be completely way off here, just my opinion on the bed wetting issue. I do think it has a lot to do with whatever happened to Haleigh, for the simple reason that Misty always mentions something about a blanket or blankets, in every version of her story. I can't even begin to fill in the blanks in the story, just some thoughts, concerning the issue and I do think that Ktee is pretty right on in alot she posts about what she thinks happened.

Continued Hope for Haleigh :wub:

All MOO,
Beachpatty

[emdragon]

Yes yes, hey ya'll I totally disagree but love you all still anyway :D

I believe her bed and linens were urine soaked. She was a bed wetter, I would have to garner a bet she stunk most of the time, and her living conditions were filthy. We only saw what that hole looked like after it was all cleaned up by teresa and granny and others, as they knew it was unacceptable. The way LE found that trailer, that's what will stand in their reports. The reports are that she is a bed wetter, and washing a blankey doesnt cut it in my mind. I think she got slapped or slapped around for wetting their bed or her bed, again and someone lost it. Whether this happened the night before, that night or that afternoon I don't know. So for me; I believe from all we've seen and heard from these two "parents" is that they were not providing for these two kids, they were not living in healthy loving conditions and they certainly were not clean conditions. CPS has the records, and it will all come out in the wash.
Something Im still not sure of, was the washing machine in that trailer even working? Why did granny have to bring over wash? I'm wondering if it even worked. And I'm still on board that they found something behind the area of that water heater, stains, decomp, something. Maybe even hair. Who knows at this point. I think it's clear that these two babies probably were being raised around tweakers and that ususally means a lot of neglect from eating to bathing to sleeping conditions. The sleeping conditions, already verified.

I think that Misty found out after she put her to bed, that she wet the bed again, and interrupted her little tryst. This enraged the little housemouse and viola we have a recipe for disaster infanticide and or homicidal rage on a child. This does happen often in cases of bed wetting. It takes a patient parent and a skilled and knowledgeable one to help a child through this difficult stage. RC and MC are not this. They don't fit the profile. It's more apt that one of them put her little body in the trash at some point, and moved her several times. i dont believe the abduction theory at all. I'm not sure LE does either, because they've only been in their own backyard and home to search for this poor little child. Which tells anyone with a smidgen of case knowledge that they are looking at the family here, and no where else.

It's very possible that when LE first searched the trailer for her, they missed behind the water heater area. And she was stuffed there for a time, so that is possible. It's also posssible that after, maybe cadaver dogs continually hit on that area so they tore it down and took the walls with them. I'm going to wait until they finally charge this pair of unfit parents, until then I can only go on what comes out of their mouths, how they act and how their family acts. These are always the best indicators in a case. And so far, this family gets a failing grade from me, a total F in fact. F failure to raise your kids love them and keep them safe, let alone provide the usual necessities for them. Like a clean home, food and a safe environment.

Kat

Nice story you should write fiction, after all that is all that post is. It isn't even based on fact.

ZERO- evidence of "tweeking"
ZERO- evidence the house was in poor condition
Absolute evidence that the environment was not a horrible life that the children needed taken from.
ZERO evidence she "stunk all the time" just the opposite school officials saw no sign of abuse or neglect.

And what has always bothered me is the whole bed wetting issue- all I ever heard was that Haleigh's blanket smelled of pee- not that she was a bed wetter- for all we know Jr peed on the blanket or Haleigh had a simple accident the night before.

[rosieposett]

rofl. You know what I still want to know, how much this "couple" was tuned into the the anthony case. Did they see this as an oppt to obtain large sums of money? Is this a copycat case? Did they think they could do it better? Did they? I think so. I've thought so from the start. IF something happened and she died that night in the trailer, they then hid her body. After some reflection they realize this could be golden, they would be on national television!! They would be STARS!
Kill a child, get on TV, get book deals, movie rights royalties (sorry I dont think they even know what those are) etc etc.

They had those little placards and buttons made up so fast my head spun. So, I have a huge problem with what they've told LE, and Im sure that when LE does feel they have all their ducks in a row legally, that RC and MC will be behind bars, most likely where they both belong.

I believe she is dead, I'm not going to delude myself. I may be hardened but it sure helps me to look at the real deal in a case. I dont believe the entruder theory for a second. From the cinder bock onward, and I also don't believe RC huge attempt on the air to say that he never went in his own backyard, didnt' even know cinder blocks were in his backyard, and if they are he never saw them dada da da.......
sorry RC. To a trained eye, you are on the front burner in this case.
What happened earlier in the day with the gun is key. Heck for all we know there was an accidental discharge and it hit Haliegh in the head.
RC then ditched the gun and her body and viola! I have a missing chil' someone stole' her outta my bed.......(waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa)

That's my take on it and I'm sticking to it.
Kat

Around our property here, it is sort of rural, there are several old dug wells from long ago when people used them for water. It is so easy to drop a body or trash or whatever in those wells and never see it again. I have wondered if it is that way where the Cummings live. Or big holes that are not filled in. just me thinking weird thoughts maybe.

I am in agreement that Ronald is a "put on". More mouth than anything. Just a thug really, and a jerk. This is all my opinion. He seemed to want to get it on tape that he was going to kill blab, blab, blab....on the 911 call. That did not sit right with me. I am a pretty good reader of people and I read that Ron's behavior was inappropriate, moreso than Misti's on that 911 call. I got the impression that he already knew about Haleigh before he came in the front door. That's why he didn't grab a flashlight and go looking outside for her and calling her name when he first got home. He knew she was no where around. He wanted the 911 operator to think he was soooo upset he was going to kill someone. Ron needs acting lessons. jmo

[emdragon]

Which is why I think RC is running the show, has been since his blubbering 911 call. GMAB! What kind of MAN would do this on the 911 call? A man with a lot to hide, that's who. Make yourself incoherent, yeah, then they can't use that against you. It was a lame decision on his part. And, one I might add that will make me never let him off the hook in this case. For those who have missed the body language between ron and misty; you've not seen abuse and control up close and personal as it's there from the 911 call onward.
:rolleyes:

Well I guess my mother who lived with abuse everyday for 18 years and since went on to be a DV/Sexual assault advocate doesn't know abuse since she disagrees with your view.

[beachpatty]

I agree, it doesn't take a rocket scientist. We would all sleep better if we thought that committing the "perfect" murder was very difficult to do and one had to be very very cunning, intelligent whatever to do so. I believe we are deluding ourselves, it is very easy to "get away with murder" just look at Trenton Duckett and several other high profile deaths/disappearances for confirmation.

There is absolutely no proof that Trenton Duckett is dead, no offense intended, but maybe another example?

Hope for Haleigh :wub:

MOO
Beachpatty

[heidi]

Yes yes, hey ya'll I totally disagree but love you all still anyway :D

I believe her bed and linens were urine soaked. She was a bed wetter, I would have to garner a bet she stunk most of the time, and her living conditions were filthy. We only saw what that hole looked like after it was all cleaned up by teresa and granny and others, as they knew it was unacceptable. The way LE found that trailer, that's what will stand in their reports. The reports are that she is a bed wetter, and washing a blankey doesnt cut it in my mind. I think she got slapped or slapped around for wetting their bed or her bed, again and someone lost it. Whether this happened the night before, that night or that afternoon I don't know. So for me; I believe from all we've seen and heard from these two "parents" is that they were not providing for these two kids, they were not living in healthy loving conditions and they certainly were not clean conditions. CPS has the records, and it will all come out in the wash.
Something Im still not sure of, was the washing machine in that trailer even working? Why did granny have to bring over wash? I'm wondering if it even worked. And I'm still on board that they found something behind the area of that water heater, stains, decomp, something. Maybe even hair. Who knows at this point. I think it's clear that these two babies probably were being raised around tweakers and that ususally means a lot of neglect from eating to bathing to sleeping conditions. The sleeping conditions, already verified.

I think that Misty found out after she put her to bed, that she wet the bed again, and interrupted her little tryst. This enraged the little housemouse and viola we have a recipe for disaster infanticide and or homicidal rage on a child. This does happen often in cases of bed wetting. It takes a patient parent and a skilled and knowledgeable one to help a child through this difficult stage. RC and MC are not this. They don't fit the profile. It's more apt that one of them put her little body in the trash at some point, and moved her several times. i dont believe the abduction theory at all. I'm not sure LE does either, because they've only been in their own backyard and home to search for this poor little child. Which tells anyone with a smidgen of case knowledge that they are looking at the family here, and no where else.

It's very possible that when LE first searched the trailer for her, they missed behind the water heater area. And she was stuffed there for a time, so that is possible. It's also posssible that after, maybe cadaver dogs continually hit on that area so they tore it down and took the walls with them. I'm going to wait until they finally charge this pair of unfit parents, until then I can only go on what comes out of their mouths, how they act and how their family acts. These are always the best indicators in a case. And so far, this family gets a failing grade from me, a total F in fact. F failure to raise your kids love them and keep them safe, let alone provide the usual necessities for them. Like a clean home, food and a safe environment.

Kat

Oh Lord,I am relatively new at this so not sure what I can post.
If this info is not allowed someone PLEASE tell me I saw on another internet site that crystals attorney has new info and was headed to satsuma wednesday night.
So something might happen today i can tell you where i saw this only if i am allowed

[odyssey]

Nice story you should write fiction, after all that is all that post is. It isn't even based on fact.

ZERO- evidence of "tweeking"
ZERO- evidence the house was in poor condition
Absolute evidence that the environment was not a horrible life that the children needed taken from.
ZERO evidence she "stunk all the time" just the opposite school officials saw no sign of abuse or neglect.

And what has always bothered me is the whole bed wetting issue- all I ever heard was that Haleigh's blanket smelled of pee- not that she was a bed wetter- for all we know Jr peed on the blanket or Haleigh had a simple accident the night before.

In my opinion, Some people don't care about the truth .. some people just care about spewing filth and hatred and being mean and spiteful, thoughtless and compassionless .. it's beyond my mind to grasp.
jmoo

What is the nearest road to the railroad tracks that is away from Haleigh's neighborhood. If there was no car heard in her neighborhood, it is possible Haleigh was lead to the tracks to a car, yes?

[odyssey]

horse, hang on. you have to learn to disassociate your emotions when discussing a case like this. theories on what might have happened have nothing to do with emotions. stick to the facts, this isn't about her saying Haleigh stank on purpose. she is simply stating some facts and embellishing them a little to make the whole picture. it's called having a theory, we are all entitled to one, and we are all entitled to discuss them with everybody, otherwise this board has no point. and remember, scroll on past if you don't agree, but don't attack the poster personally.

Theories are welcome. Out and out lies totally unsupported by facts are something else.
jmoo

[Owlface]

Well I guess my mother who lived with abuse everyday for 18 years and since went on to be a DV/Sexual assault advocate doesn't know abuse since she disagrees with your view.

No disrespect to your mother but I have been a DV victim advocate for 15 years and any victim advocate will tell you we really don't know what goes on in somebody elses home. Things may look hunky dory but that doesn't mean there isn't abuse going on and I always believe the victim's story.

[emdragon]

I think he does think he knows who it is because of his comments that first night.

LOL @ big, bad Ron. He's either a dangerous man or a great father and all around good guy. Which is it? :blink:

(hypothetical question)

Seems to me is a young father trying to do his best but making mistakes as he grows up.

Never have understood the whole black or white view of the world some people have since the reality is life is gray.

Ron is neither an evil villain or a saint


It still bothers me that people feel his emotions are all staged. I am a stoic person (except for TV shows and commercials which make me cry like a baby) but in real life events I am solid as a rock. Yet I have been nothing but a blubbering idiot for 2 days because it looks like my cat might have to be put down today- Never in a million years would I have imagined I'd fall apart this way and my husband would be the rock (when his cat died 25 years ago I had to deal with all of it he couldn't)
People are so very unpredictable, we never know for sure how we will react until something actually happens and even then we might react in different ways at different times.

[bama__angel]

Ktee...I resent the way you talk about little Haleigh.

I guess.......I need to leave the board for awhile.

I can NOT believe how you have talked down to this poor little girl, REMEMBER she is the victim. YOU DO NOT KNOW SHE SMELLS LIKE PEE!

moo


I totally agree with you.......I think I need to not be on this board for longer than awhile........It's hard for me to determine who the bad guys are now.......I cant tell the difference .......JMO

[i_pickle]

horse, hang on. you have to learn to disassociate your emotions when discussing a case like this. theories on what might have happened have nothing to do with emotions. stick to the facts, this isn't about her saying Haleigh stank on purpose. she is simply stating some facts and embellishing them a little to make the whole picture. it's called having a theory, we are all entitled to one, and we are all entitled to discuss them with everybody, otherwise this board has no point. and remember, scroll on past if you don't agree, but don't attack the poster personally.I agree.

MOO

[Owlface]

Theories are welcome. Out and out lies totally unsupported by facts are something else.jmoo

Okay, you first - I suggest you point out any poster's "out and out lies totally unsupported by facts."

[Owlface]

I totally agree with you.......I think I need to not be on this board for longer than awhile........It's hard for me to determine who the bad guys are now.......I cant tell the difference .......JMO

IMHO - who the bad guys are depends on what you yourself believe. There is no objective standard - the bad guys are the ones you have the opposite opinion as you do.

[i_pickle]

Seems to me is a young father trying to do his best but making mistakes as he grows up.

Never have understood the whole black or white view of the world some people have since the reality is life is gray.

Ron is neither an evil villain or a saint


It still bothers me that people feel his emotions are all staged. I am a stoic person (except for TV shows and commercials which make me cry like a baby) but in real life events I am solid as a rock. Yet I have been nothing but a blubbering idiot for 2 days because it looks like my cat might have to be put down today- Never in a million years would I have imagined I'd fall apart this way and my husband would be the rock (when his cat died 25 years ago I had to deal with all of it he couldn't)
People are so very unpredictable, we never know for sure how we will react until something actually happens and even then we might react in different ways at different times.Sorry about your cat.

Do you think that Ron and Misty have told LE everything?

[Owlface]

Well, Chad has no financial responsibility towards Haleigh and Crystal, as we know, wasn't paying hers. I see absolutley no financial motive for Crystal to have done anything to Haleigh. None.

The fact still remains, Haleigh disappeared without a trace from ronald cummings trailer.

I have asked Candykisses to explain what she thinks is Crystal's financial motive and she chosen to do so. I am really curious to hear what it could be.

[day2day]

Nice story you should write fiction, after all that is all that post is. It isn't even based on fact.

ZERO- evidence of "tweeking"
ZERO- evidence the house was in poor condition
Absolute evidence that the environment was not a horrible life that the children needed taken from.
ZERO evidence she "stunk all the time" just the opposite school officials saw no sign of abuse or neglect.

And what has always bothered me is the whole bed wetting issue- all I ever heard was that Haleigh's blanket smelled of pee- not that she was a bed wetter- for all we know Jr peed on the blanket or Haleigh had a simple accident the night before.

Thanks, emdragon! And I agree 100 percent!! There was zero signs of abuse! When are people going to STOP stating things as fact that simply aren't true.

[emdragon]

No disrespect to your mother but I have been a DV victim advocate for 15 years and any victim advocate will tell you we really don't know what goes on in somebody elses home. Things may look hunky dory but that doesn't mean there isn't abuse going on and I always believe the victim's story.

Well I do think that was my point- the post clearly said if you don't see Ron as abusive you don't know abuse- that statement is wrong period. And for the very reason you just stated- looks mean nothing- the niceset looking family on the block could harbor the ugliest truth inside the home- while the dirty family with the junk cars in the yard could have the most loving family life.

[odyssey]

Okay, you first - I suggest you point out any poster's "out and out lies totally unsupported by facts."

I am doing this one time and one time only. I am not a mean person, I do not call people names, I am not a hypocrite, I have never been rude to one person here. I am interested only in Haleigh and the truth. After this I will not respond to any more of your posts regarding this because I do not have to defend my right to be saddened by the misinformation stated as fact. So you do as you choose. Please ignore my posts if you desire. That is what I do when I find someone who is serially misleading or baiting. Then I put them out of my mind. The only reason I actually commented today is I have become overwhelmed the last couple of days with all of the meanness and hypocrisy EVERYWHERE. I keep it too myself though and don't go getting ppl in trouble .. i just move on and/or ignore.
So here is the ONE point i will make to you without any further talk to you on the issue .. take it as you wish. Today after all i have witnessed lately i just cannot care because i cannot expose my spirit to any more deliberate unkindness.


The previous poster stated "She was a bed wetter, I would have to garner a bet she stunk most of the time, and her living conditions were filthy."

Completely unsubstantiated and in fact disputed by Haleigh's mother and her teachers.

And that's all I have to say about that.

JUST MY OWN OPINIONS

[beachpatty]

What a nice visual you painted patty of you and your dh dealing with your daughter's pesky little problem. Your home during her childhood sounds blissful. Speaks loudly as to the parenting you gave of yourself. I only wish Haleigh and Junior had a bit of it. Alas, in what I perceive Ron's life was like I see little room for that. Hopefully when Theresa took care of them, they received some TLC. I'm not faulting Ron for not going the extra mile, it is what it is, men, especially young men, with their testerone levels peaking aren't focusing on those little extras. Would the children have been better off with Crystal as the custodial parent, I just don't know.

moo



Well, it wasn't exactly mother goose happy land, I know there were more than one "o no, not again's" exclaimed, especially if I was working or had other stuff to do, but it was never treated in anger and for sure not physically. I assume I was raised with that much common sense, plus she was the first girl in a very long line of boy babies in her Dad's family, so she was treated like the little princess that she wasn't :(

I agree, men are not really born with those extra special "mothering" instincts and I have no doubt that Misty did not magically develop them in her short "mother" career. Crystal, in the other hand may well have had the instincts and foresight, we will just never know because of all the circumstances involving her non custodial status.

This whole thing is a huge puzzle, much like TD's was, again I hope and pray for a conclusion and not the never ending heartbreak of not knowing.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
MOO
Beachpatty

[emdragon]

sorry about your cat, em, hope all is well, remember, if it's his time to go, he had a good life, and I think that's about all any one of us can hope for in the end. hugs

Thanks so much... That is so true and I simply can't watch him be so miserable if he won't get any better. I know if it is his time all we can say is we had him for the time the Lord let us- but saying good-bye simply SUXS.

Can't imagine if I feel this way about a cat how any of these families can get up in the morning when it is their child.

[CC I See]

Well, Chad has no financial responsibility towards Haleigh and Crystal, as we know, wasn't paying hers. I see absolutley no financial motive for Crystal to have done anything to Haleigh. None.

The fact still remains, Haleigh disappeared without a trace from ronald cummings trailer. You are so right and there is no evidence that either Crystal or Chad was even near the home that night. None whatsoever, and why would they do such a thing? It wouldn't absolve them of what Crystal owes for both children or will owe for Ron Jr. even if Haleigh was no longer living. Whoever took Haleigh away from her home that night wanted to do her harm for their own evil selfish reasons.

[CANDYKISSES]

Nice story you should write fiction, after all that is all that post is. It isn't even based on fact.

ZERO- evidence of "tweeking"
ZERO- evidence the house was in poor condition
Absolute evidence that the environment was not a horrible life that the children needed taken from.
ZERO evidence she "stunk all the time" just the opposite school officials saw no sign of abuse or neglect.

And what has always bothered me is the whole bed wetting issue- all I ever heard was that Haleigh's blanket smelled of pee- not that she was a bed wetter- for all we know Jr peed on the blanket or Haleigh had a simple accident the night before.

Doesn't DCF make a home visit when a complaint is filed in Florida? I would think if the conditions were as described, they would have been actively involved in removing the children IMO. But then again, I don't believe it was in the condition some are trying to claim it was. IT's like Camp Crystal and the pictures. They just were not as depicted imo and that's why NG came down so hard. JMOOC.

You are so right about where the smell came from. I didn't even think about that, but it certainly could have been from either child if that's the case. :wink: JMO

[Owlface]

Well I do think that was my point- the post clearly said if you don't see Ron as abusive you don't know abuse- that statement is wrong period. And for the very reason you just stated- looks mean nothing- the niceset looking family on the block could harbor the ugliest truth inside the home- while the dirty family with the junk cars in the yard could have the most loving family life.

Crystal said he was abusive. His treatment of Misty in the 911 call was abusive. The way he acted going to get the marriage license, and at the wedding was abusive.

[bama__angel]

IMHO - who the bad guys are depends on what you yourself believe. There is no objective standard - the bad guys are the ones you have the opposite opinion as you do.



Thank you for trying to clear this up....lol....Really no, "bad guys" dont have a differing opinion than me....I dont think we should all have the same opionions.....how boring....I believe you show decency and morality in the way you express your opinions...the words that you choose..because every little thing that we do or say counts...JMO

[Owlface]

Thanks, emdragon! And I agree 100 percent!! There was zero signs of abuse! When are people going to STOP stating things as fact that simply aren't true.

It is your opinion that there are zero signs of abuse. I see lots of them.

[Mimi428]

Don't know if this has already been posted - if so, my apologies.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/032509haleighs_mom_reveals_investigation_details

Lawyer for Haleigh’s mom reveals investigation details

Short excerpt...

“Just your typical sex drugs and rock and roll life style that is not conducive to raising children,” said Picazio.

“Not one of the things I’ve heard about what goes on in the home would I even consider letting my child watch on TV, let alone exposing him to it.”

[day2day]

It is your opinion that there are zero signs of abuse. I see lots of them.

That is my belief Owl. I respect your opinion. I have NEVER read anywhere that Haleigh "stunk"- and even IF she did -have we all forgotten that she is a victim an innocent child and her family (all of them) are also victims until proven otherwise? jmo

[odyssey]

Thank you for trying to clear this up....lol....Really no, "bad guys" dont have a differing opinion than me....I dont think we should all have the same opionions.....how boring....I believe you show decency and morality in the way you express your opinions...the words that you choose..because every little thing that we do or say counts...JMO

I completely agree. It isn't that one's opinion differs. That has nothing to do with it to me.

jmoo

[Tornado]

Don't know if this has already been posted - if so, my apologies.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/032509haleighs_mom_reveals_investigation_details

Lawyer for Haleigh’s mom reveals investigation details

Short excerpt...

“Just your typical sex drugs and rock and roll life style that is not conducive to raising children,” said Picazio.

“Not one of the things I’ve heard about what goes on in the home would I even consider letting my child watch on TV, let alone exposing him to it.”


Excellent link- so Junior says the couch was bouncing and the guy had squeaky shoes. Interesting- TY

[KKKKKKatie]

Just a little food for thought

There never was in the world two opinions alike, no more that two hairs, or two grains; the most universal quality is diversity.

Michael Eyquen de Montaigne

[Owlface]

IMO, there are times when things seem abusive, but in reality its just the people talk or act.

I don't disagree with you but what's that got to do with Misty and Ron? Also, words can be very abusive. Are you saying that, for instance, threatening to kill someone is not abusive because it's just talk?

[CC I See]

Crystal said he was abusive. His treatment of Misty in the 911 call was abusive. The way he acted going to get the marriage license, and at the wedding was abusive. I think the word abuse is in a gray area of interpretation. But since it is being brought up over and over and that Child Protective Services was called, there had to be something to it.

Then add in the pictures of the children with scrapes and bruises and Haleigh missing school so often and the concern that was mentioned by the family with hints of drug use, physical abuse and unsanitary living conditions.... these accusations can not be ignored.

I know from just watching the video of Ron and Misty that he acts hostile and uncaring toward her, she might be OK with it and if she is that is her own business. If he is this way with his new bride, might he not be this way with others even his children when he is in a less than cheerful mood?

Whether he is directly involved in what happened to his daughter or not, like Misty they both are impeding the investigation. After extensive reading and studying this case up to this point, this is my opinion.

[Mimi428]

Thanks, emdragon! And I agree 100 percent!! There was zero signs of abuse! When are people going to STOP stating things as fact that simply aren't true.

Zero signs of abuse? How could you possibly know that? How do you know that Ron did not speak to his children the same way he spoke to Misty? How do you know that Crystal's allegations of abuse were false?

I don't have a problem when people make it plain that they are posting an opinion or a theory.

ITA that it would be nice if there were fewer posts that assert one thing or another as being the truth, before enough of the story has been revealed to know. Your post which states as fact that there were zero signs of abuse fits that category. You don't know.

JMNVHO

[Owlface]

Yes, I've said quite a few times and haven't killed anyone.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I believe the fact that you regularly threaten to kill somebody reflects more on you than on the veracity of whether or not threatening to kill someone is abusive.

[psbperu]

Doesn't DCF make a home visit when a complaint is filed in Florida? I would think if the conditions were as described, they would have been actively involved in removing the children IMO. But then again, I don't believe it was in the condition some are trying to claim it was. IT's like Camp Crystal and the pictures. They just were not as depicted imo and that's why NG came down so hard. JMOOC.

You are so right about where the smell came from. I didn't even think about that, but it certainly could have been from either child if that's the case. :wink: JMO


Candy: For what it is worth...I don't think much of DCF in Florida. That comes from 10 years of living down here & reading the daily newspaper. This article is about a feral child...but believe me we have kids slipping thru the cracks far too often.

"THE GIRL IN THE WINDOW"

ttp://tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article750838.ece

Why? Didn’t they worry about two separate calls to the hotline, months apart, citing the same concerns?

“It’s not automatic that because the home is dirty we’d remove the child,” said Nick Cox, regional director of the Florida Department of Children and Families. “And what they found in 2002 was not like the scene they walked into in 2005.”

The aim, he said, is to keep the child with the parent, and try to help the parent get whatever services he or she might need. But Michelle refused help. And investigators might have felt they didn’t have enough evidence to take Danielle, Cox said.

“I’m concerned, though, that no effort was made to interview the child,” he said.

“If you have a 4-year-old who is unable to speak, that would raise a red flag to me. “I’m not going to tell you this was okay. I don’t know how it could have happened"

[CANDYKISSES]

Well, Chad has no financial responsibility towards Haleigh and Crystal, as we know, wasn't paying hers. I see absolutley no financial motive for Crystal to have done anything to Haleigh. None.

The fact still remains, Haleigh disappeared without a trace from ronald cummings trailer.

I think you might be ignoring what I posted to start with and choosing to use a location vs who might have abducted Haleigh Cummings. JMO tho. I have stated repeatedly that I'm still hanging on for a live Haleigh being found/brought back.

So if I were turning around the wild and not so wild theories on the Ron Misty involvement in her abduction and applying the thought process to the maternal side, I offer the following.

I believe the courts sent something out that week concerning back support. Is that how you remember it?

IF CRYSTAL had decided they couldn't afford the support, or that having custody would be more beneficial, it's possible a plan had been made to get Haleigh and Junior out of the house, up to their county and that plan went awry. (Although I have to insert my opinion here - CS had those children every two weeks and hasn't given a shot at beating the door down to family court with the children as evidence for an EMERGENCY HEARING from what I've seen.)

Again, they are not high on my list of suspects but LE has stated everyone is a SUSPECT IIRC. I believe I was very clear on them not being high on my list either, and yes I believe CS withheld information too in the beginning.

We know in the beginning Crystal was very supportive and saying things that are contradictory to what she is presenting now.

Was that not Crystal who was comforting RC in the first few days? Yet she had some of these pics stashed away? She originally stated she was not seeking custody, then eventually her attorney said yes they were and now we are back to letting the investigation go... FGS, what were they saving the pictures for?

I know Kim alleges all these new complaints, but I am thinking it will be more of the same on hearsay like when Johnny Sheffield presented his affadavit last time. These people don't seem to follow through, but we know at some point Haleigh was getting her medical treatment. I wish I could say the same now.:wub:

Oh BTW, I agree that Haleigh Cummings was abducted from her home in the middle of the night.

Praying for a miracle for Haleigh Cummings and her family! :wub:

[Owlface]

My bold.

Are you talking about Ron or me??? Just want to be clear before I answer.

I was not referring to Ron in this post.

[KKKKKKatie]

LOL Kathy.....

[kkmiausa]

I have 6! My kids bring their blankets into almost every room in the house. Sometimes when they are watching tv, sometimes when they sneak into one of the other rooms in the middle of the night to sleep.

I just can't understand the poster who thinks Misty left dirty sheets on the bed yet washes the blanket? There is no point to that, the bed will still stink if the sheets are dirty, so why bother washing the smelly blanket?

Misty made a POINT of the washing of the blanket. Said when she put Haleigh to be she noticed the blanket smelled like pee. Obviously she would have had to remove the blanket earlier if she had washed the sheets so obviously it was the same sheets from the night before. I am sorry if you have boys that may wet the blanket but not the bed.Girls don't work that way.It doesn't go upward, it soaks you underneath.

The surmissal is that the sheets had to be urine tainted if the blanket was. She didn't state anything about washing the bedding. She was very specific about having taken down the blanket from the window and described another in the "van". SHe thought it was important enough to make a point of it. IMO yes IMO the sheets were soiled and she was left to sleep on them. I consider that filth. AGAIN, JMOO.:cursing:

[teresa]

It's interesting to see how many take Cobra's word as gospel truth because it supports their POV.

I'm still waiting for him to break the case, as he implied he would be doing over a week ago.

If he's listening to the woman who saw helicopters and claimed an arrest warrant, more than one, was going to be issued before the day was out...what? almost two weeks ago now?...he's listening to the wrong group of people. That woman had people tuned into all the networks in frustration because they were waiting to see "breaking news" that never happened.

Other than what's been reported in the media from the 1st day, we know nothing except there have been no arrest warrants issued. What has been said by the media, by the main players, has been picked over and rehashed to death. But the case is where it was on Day 1. Haleigh is missing and there are no clues indicating what happened to her.

I hope she is found soon.

Pat, I'm pages and pages behind but I just wanted to say I appreciate your post. That same woman is the one who hired the Anthony's PI, at least according to her. I feel bad for LE having to wade through all of this to find the truth.

[KKKKKKatie]

Misty made a POINT of the washing of the blanket. Said when she put Haleigh to be she noticed the blanket smelled like pee. Obviously she would have had to remove the blanket earlier if she had washed the sheets so obviously it was the same sheets from the night before. I am sorry if you have boys that may wet the blanket but not the bed.Girls don't work that way.It doesn't go upward, it soaks you underneath.

The surmissal is that the sheets had to be urine tainted if the blanket was.She didn't state anything about washing the bedding. She was very specific about having taken down the blanket from the window and described another in the "van". SHe thought it was important enough to make a point of it. IMO yes IMO the sheets were soiled and she was left to sleep on them. I consider that filth. AGAIN, JMOO.:cursing:


bold mine

Not if the blanket wasn't on her bed. Maybe it was on the couch or somewhere else?

[teresa]

I thought Theresa said she was the one that carried Junior to LE the night of Haleigh's disappearance to be interviewed. In this video GGM Sykes is saying she was the one.

http://www.fox30online.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30118@video.fox30online.com&navCatId=5

I never read or saw that. The first reports I ever saw, it was always GGM that took him. Where did you see differently? She is the one that was interviewed about it and the experts interviewing Jr told her (according to her) that his story kept changing.

[Mimi428]

Excellent link- so Junior says the couch was bouncing and the guy had squeaky shoes. Interesting- TY

One of the things that stood out for me in that story was this part...
“A lot of the times we hear things from 8 different people who did not know each other including eyewitnesses..."

This is pretty much what I was thinking would happen. That different people who do not specifically know one another could/would tell essentially the same info about what was going on in that household. The mystery for me is in wondering how many of those folks also told LE what they knew vs how many told the attorney & maybe the PI - but did not want to tell LE.

Let's say for the sake of theory only that drugs were being sold out of the house...if you had bought drugs from the two older people in that house you might not be inclined to go to the police & say "I know drugs were being sold from there because I have personally bought drugs from that location &/or from Ron for the past 2 years".

People in that situation are more likely than not to want to protect their ability to continue to get drugs & to stay out of jail. They may feel bad on some level that Haleigh is missing, but do not see how their personal history of buying drugs from either Ron &/or Misty is going to break the case, provide the most important clue.

JMO

[Peaches]

Thanks so much... That is so true and I simply can't watch him be so miserable if he won't get any better. I know if it is his time all we can say is we had him for the time the Lord let us- but saying good-bye simply SUXS.

Can't imagine if I feel this way about a cat how any of these families can get up in the morning when it is their child.

OT................

Smile.........Billy Graham told a little girl who asked if her cat was going to heaven when she died. BG said, why not, God told us that in heaven there would be things to make us happy.

So.............who knows..............I think you will see your cat again. God did not save the animals from the floods for nothing. MOO

[KKKKKKatie]

:biggrin: Do I sound uptight today? lol
I really really try not to comment about things unless they have been verified....and I wake up to a 'supposed quote' of mine saying awful things.

Sorry. :blushing:

:laugh: It's ok.....I just loved how enphatic you were!

[KKKKKKatie]

Misty said she put the blanket on Haleigh and covered her, then she made up her bed. Did Haleigh pee in Misty's bed?


jmo

that is what I have been wondering also viking

[sleuth]

Oh, its not just their necks, its to their EYEBALLS!

I know for a fact Crystal Sheffield, was two hours away the night her daughter was snatched from a girl who is lying about her story that night, its ever changing!! Misty did not lose a puppy, she lost Crystals child, and it happened on her watch, thats a FACT. She isn't going to get a free pass from me, right now shes number one on the list, not just shuffled off the list, any chick who leaves a myspace message to Rons former child girlfriend saying she is going to get her man and kid, is capable of just about anything.

jmo

Great post, I could not agree with you more. I even thought it strange someone move around so many SO having two young children., IMO, There is enough blame and negligence to go around, my prayer is that Haliegh be returned unharmed.

[odyssey]

Is there a transcript of the conversation between Crystal Sheffield and Craig Rivera when Jr. was present?

I am trying to think this through and come up with a sequence of events.
I know that Ronald said he thinks that the story Crystal attributes to jr. is made up but he also said he isn't sure what little jr saw since he wasn't there.
So, under the premise that it is true (not stating it is but doing a 'what if' thing)..
I THINK crystal said jr said he saw Haleigh being picked up from the mattress .. is that accurate?
He said Misty was sleeping .. accurate?
He also saw a man in black or black man in black.
He heard squeaky shoes.
Did he HEAR or FEEL the couch bounce? do we have clarification on that?

Is that all that we have heard about jr's account so far?
Once we have it all posted in one post accurately,
would anyone like to help me in devising a sequence
of events where all of the account could be true?

For instance, if Misty was asleep she could not have been a part
of the bouncing couch .. so why would the man be on the couch and were his shoes squeaking at the same time that the couch was bouncing? That might indicate he was climbing onto or off of the couch, perhaps through a window...

Anyone want to help me along with this please?

jmoo

[Peaches]

Yes, I've said quite a few times and haven't killed anyone.


Me too...............and I have heard many others say it too.

[odyssey]

Misty said she put the blanket on Haleigh and covered her, then she made up her bed. Did Haleigh pee in Misty's bed?


jmo

My opinion was that she put the other blanket on the bed she was going to sleep in and that is what she meant but i could be wrong.

jmoo

[CANDYKISSES]

THIS was my post. Not the one attrubited to me. TIA



DATED: 03-26-2009, 01:20 AM Post #367
Who knows where the urine soaked bed story came from. Just gossip if I had to guess. Gossip originating on the forums and blogs...

Our sons may be related....cause one kid-o-mine could be a real mess maker in his day.
His bedroom door was REQUIRED to be shut.

I've known a lot of people in brick and mortar homes and several in mobile homes in my time.
Dirty homes and abuse toward kids are not limited to those in the mobile homes.
Far from it. I too wonder where that started in this case...?

Ron does seem to be doing well by his children. Apparently he has been reported and investigated several times, yet the kids remain in his care...
He must be doing something right.
I personally don't believe the abuse allegations. Spanking, yes... Abuse? Not so much IMHO.

Like you, I've seen dads who simply walk away rather than support their children.
I respect Ron for trying to do his best.

OT:
Also why do they call a mobile home a "trailer" and don't call a regular home a "framing and siding"?

Maybe a snub?

Whole other thread there I guess lol. I tend to lump them all together as 'houses', but thats just me.

:wub:KathyRae, whether we agree all the time or not, it's never been a prerequisite for me girlie!

I too am wondering about those who must call it so and so's trailer as opposed to Haleigh's home?????

I am left believing it's a way of snubbing him without realizing it's really snubbing a sweet innocent little girl and boy who clearly loved their family IMO.

I've been guest in mobile homes, and pre-fabs that hold the love of a family much more than the several million dollar homes we visit with the children suffering to be on their best behavior so they don't mess anything up. Bottom line for me is whether it's really a HOME or not. :wink: JMO tho.

Also, some people are troubled by CS being called the bio-mom when in fact now Haleigh has a step-mom too IMO. I am guessing that is to establish who they are speaking about and avoid any misstatements IMO.

When Crystal marries Chad, he will be the step-dad and Ron will be called the bio-dad IMO. I don't see trauma with that. JMO tho.

Praying for a miracle for Haleigh and her family. :wub:

[bkwits]

Ktee...I resent the way you talk about little Haleigh.

I guess.......I need to leave the board for awhile.

I can NOT believe how you have talked down to this poor little girl, REMEMBER she is the victim. YOU DO NOT KNOW SHE SMELLS LIKE PEE!

moo

I'm afraid that I have to agree with you. Why do posters go off on these tangents to denigrate this family when they know little or nothing about they're daily lives. Many families survive in less than ideal circumstances, but they do survive and even thrive.

I don't much like some of the choices that RC has made. In fact, I don't much like his personality. But there is no reason for me to believe that he is not a suffering parent. It seems like he was doing the best he could for the kids. He had help and support from his family. So until I know differently, my moral support is with Ron and his family.

[gogo]

rofl. You know what I still want to know, how much this "couple" was tuned into the the anthony case. Did they see this as an oppt to obtain large sums of money? Is this a copycat case? Did they think they could do it better? Did they? I think so. I've thought so from the start. IF something happened and she died that night in the trailer, they then hid her body. After some reflection they realize this could be golden, they would be on national television!! They would be STARS!
Kill a child, get on TV, get book deals, movie rights royalties (sorry I dont think they even know what those are) etc etc.

They had those little placards and buttons made up so fast my head spun. So, I have a huge problem with what they've told LE, and Im sure that when LE does feel they have all their ducks in a row legally, that RC and MC will be behind bars, most likely where they both belong.

I believe she is dead, I'm not going to delude myself. I may be hardened but it sure helps me to look at the real deal in a case. I dont believe the entruder theory for a second. From the cinder bock onward, and I also don't believe RC huge attempt on the air to say that he never went in his own backyard, didnt' even know cinder blocks were in his backyard, and if they are he never saw them dada da da.......
sorry RC. To a trained eye, you are on the front burner in this case.
What happened earlier in the day with the gun is key. Heck for all we know there was an accidental discharge and it hit Haliegh in the head.
RC then ditched the gun and her body and viola! I have a missing chil' someone stole' her outta my bed.......(waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa)

That's my take on it and I'm sticking to it.
Kat

Lose a child today and it opens up all kinds on monetary opportunities. how sick is that. they all cash in in between their grief. something profound happens, Take George for instance, his daughter is charged with murdering his grandchild. He is out and about scouting a "finding missing children foundation" . He and Cindy would not allow a search for their grandchild. His boat will search ponds, are you laughing out loud yet. ? Since when? It is possible George and Cindy were helped her dispose of Caylee. giving false evidence (hairbrush). George is walking around like a freaking bigshot. a bigshot. Most parents of these murdered children I hate to say eventually profited . all of themif you are going to make money give it to charities.

[Ialwayswonda]

I am sure that this question has been asked and answered before, so excuse me.
With Ron's previous felony arrests, was he allowed to own or have a gun?
(I realize many other players in this case also have criminal pasts, so I am not slamming just him.)
Could that be why the gun was found in the ditch and the differing stories about it and the fight from Ron and his mother?
TIA

[cat3]

Ktee...I resent the way you talk about little Haleigh.

I guess.......I need to leave the board for awhile.

I can NOT believe how you have talked down to this poor little girl, REMEMBER she is the victim. YOU DO NOT KNOW SHE SMELLS LIKE PEE!

moo

I agree.That was an awful thing to say about a missing child that she "probably stunk".I'm not sure where people come up with this Cr*p. IMO.
I also don't understand why most of us have to add IMO after our posts,and some post some fairly nasty comments as fact,and don't add that it is their opinion.IMO

[teresa]

I am doing this one time and one time only. I am not a mean person, I do not call people names, I am not a hypocrite, I have never been rude to one person here. I am interested only in Haleigh and the truth. After this I will not respond to any more of your posts regarding this because I do not have to defend my right to be saddened by the misinformation stated as fact. So you do as you choose. Please ignore my posts if you desire. That is what I do when I find someone who is serially misleading or baiting. Then I put them out of my mind. The only reason I actually commented today is I have become overwhelmed the last couple of days with all of the meanness and hypocrisy EVERYWHERE. I keep it too myself though and don't go getting ppl in trouble .. i just move on and/or ignore.
So here is the ONE point i will make to you without any further talk to you on the issue .. take it as you wish. Today after all i have witnessed lately i just cannot care because i cannot expose my spirit to any more deliberate unkindness.


The previous poster stated "She was a bed wetter, I would have to garner a bet she stunk most of the time, and her living conditions were filthy."

Completely unsubstantiated and in fact disputed by Haleigh's mother and her teachers.
And that's all I have to say about that.

JUST MY OWN OPINIONS

And my opinions as well. Great post.

[odyssey]

Someone told me that the haleighbug site was just a godaddy page now. I went to check and that wasn't true. It is up now.

I did not read past the donations part as i am about to get my son to nap but it is back now
http://haleighbug.com/

[CANDYKISSES]

I am sure that this question has been asked and answered before, so excuse me.
With Ron's previous felony arrests, was he allowed to own or have a gun?
(I realize many other players in this case also have criminal pasts, so I am not slamming just him.)
Could that be why the gun was found in the ditch and the differing stories about it and the fight from Ron and his mother?
TIA
Hi,

I don't know that would be possible on an arrest in and of itself, as the wording arrest might indicate you haven't had a chance to defend yourself. I might find that could be applicable if there are felony convictions. JMO

Do you have a link to the legal information you're referencing? :confused:

[FrankieBones1]

I agree. Even tho its early and only a posts, its a good way to start.

Good morning all. Hoping for the best today for Haleigh.Totally agree. There is so much we don't know yet. Too much speculation and rumor.

[teresa]

Misty made a POINT of the washing of the blanket. Said when she put Haleigh to be she noticed the blanket smelled like pee. Obviously she would have had to remove the blanket earlier if she had washed the sheets so obviously it was the same sheets from the night before. I am sorry if you have boys that may wet the blanket but not the bed.Girls don't work that way.It doesn't go upward, it soaks you underneath.

The surmissal is that the sheets had to be urine tainted if the blanket was. She didn't state anything about washing the bedding. She was very specific about having taken down the blanket from the window and described another in the "van". SHe thought it was important enough to make a point of it. IMO yes IMO the sheets were soiled and she was left to sleep on them. I consider that filth. AGAIN, JMOO.:cursing:

so why did she wash the blanket if the sheets were soiled? Why bother if she doesn't care?

[CC I See]

The site is beautiful. The did a fine job with it. moo It sure is, I hope they get the tip they need to find this little angel.

[crymeariver2006]

The site is beautiful. The did a fine job with it.

moo

I think so too!

[Tornado]

so why did she wash the blanket if the sheets were soiled? Why bother if she doesn't care?

It's not that she doesn't care- it's another lie about what really was going on. There has been the question of "blankets" since day two when Misti made the statment about her blanket being in the van- that "they "took.

I will take it a step further and ask- why all the explanation of blankets? Is there a blanket that is missing or one found at the home that does not belong there? IMO

[cutiepatootie61]

so why did she wash the blanket if the sheets were soiled? Why bother if she doesn't care?

She wouldn't have washed just the blanket and not the sheets if they were urine soiled. Unless there were no sheets on the bed and she only slept on a mattress. And quite frankly, Misty has changed her statements numerous times, who's to say the blanket was washed really? I personally don't believe that Misty remembers all the doings of that night due to overindulging on something. moo

[Elle]

Someone told me that the haleighbug site was just a godaddy page now. I went to check and that wasn't true. It is up now.

I did not read past the donations part as i am about to get my son to nap but it is back now
http://haleighbug.com/

Thank you for posting this. She is such a beautiful child, just beams.

So very very heartbreaking.

[teresa]

Misty said she put the blanket on Haleigh and covered her, then she made up her bed. Did Haleigh pee in Misty's bed?


jmo

That's one of my working in progress theories 51viking. IF she got Jr off the couch when she went to bed, she could have made up her bed after washing her sheets and also Haleigh's blanket. How I wish someone would interview Misty for us...with simple plain English questions and followups. I just don't think we can get the whole story with little five minute interviews here and there. Sometimes, the answer really does depend on how the question is phrased. Haleigh may have slept in her bed in the end but that doesn't mean she didn't start out watching her movie in the big bed.

So many questions...I don't think Nancy Grace is the one to do it if Misty was willing. She talks over her guests and doesn't always followup. Greta would be good but she doesn't seem to care about this case.

[SavannahStar]

Nice story you should write fiction, after all that is all that post is. It isn't even based on fact.

ZERO- evidence of "tweeking"
ZERO- evidence the house was in poor condition
Absolute evidence that the environment was not a horrible life that the children needed taken from.
ZERO evidence she "stunk all the time" just the opposite school officials saw no sign of abuse or neglect.

And what has always bothered me is the whole bed wetting issue- all I ever heard was that Haleigh's blanket smelled of pee- not that she was a bed wetter- for all we know Jr peed on the blanket or Haleigh had a simple accident the night before.

:thumbup:

And that horrible post you replied to: :thumbdown:

[5boxersmom]

Someone told me that the haleighbug site was just a godaddy page now. I went to check and that wasn't true. It is up now.

I did not read past the donations part as i am about to get my son to nap but it is back now
http://haleighbug.com/

Haleigh is a beauty.

I did notice this. May have been wearing a pink shirt.:confused:

imo

[cat3]

Yurp Pochette, totally agree. And isn't it rule #1 not to trash the other parent? If memory serves me correctly, Crystal usually made her plea for Haleigh including "mommy and daddy love you" and she also would say "yes, Ronald's heart is Haleigh" but never once did I hear Ron say anything remotely close about Crystal, not even so much to defend Crystal or to mutter a "mommy loves you" even though Haleigh was missing in Ron's home on Ron's time.

I know the both of them have slung mud at each other, however at least you can pull a little niceness out of Crystal with the plea's and claims of Ronalds love for Haleigh. Can't say the same about Ron.

jmo

That was a nice touch on Crystal's part saying that"mommy and daddy love you" but how do we know that she meant Ron the daddy,and not Chad.Maybe since she was planning a marriage with Chad she had Haleigh call Chad daddy.It isn't likely that she meant Chad,but it is possible.
Ron's first comment against Crystal was on the Today show.Other than that I don't recall him saying much against Crystal.
I don't have links,but the day the board was shut down,I went back and looked at some of the older video's.At one of the vigils I saw Crystal crying,and Ron reached for Crystal and put his arms around her and held her while she cried.
On another video at a church service,Ron motioned for Crystal to sit next to him so I do see support from Ron towards Crystal,but more in deed than words.IMO
I don't know why we have to pit one parent against the other.I'm sure they both love and miss Haleigh.IMO

[playnice]

I missed that much? Oh Vey!:sneaky:

New links Swar. Please read.

[Peaches]

Thank you for posting this. She is such a beautiful child, just beams.

So very very heartbreaking.



I totally agree!

[heidi]

:eek:
Oh My Have any of you checked Timothy Croslins my space .If he was the one there that night what is his alibi????????
check it out

[cat3]

Hey playnice.

Is the 911 call still available?

At one point Ron told Misty while she was on the ohone that he had *better people* coming over. While Misty was speaking, I think you can hear Ron talking in the background on his phone.. I'm curious as to who these *better people* that Ron summouned to look for Haleigh. I need to listen to that 911 call again.

moo

I think the 911 calls are posted up on youtube.I did a re-listen the other day and caught something pretty funny that I didn't hear the first few times.Almost gives me a grudging respect of Misty.
We all know that Ron was all over the place that night,and towards the end of the 911 call,I think I hear Misty say with what sounds like gritted teeth,'I swear if you don't'......I think she was getting angry at Ron.I didn't hear this before.
I was thinking maybe Ron was thinking TN could help him more since she works as a dispatcher? Obviously he didn't think anyone was coming fast enough and that is understandable considering his state of mind at the time.IMO

[Owlface]

Interviewing children under 5 years of age is more difficult than many believe. In the first place unless you talk to the child without the parent present, the presence of the parent (the alleged abuser) will put the child in a very awkward and intimidating situation which causes negative emotional impact. If the child implicates a parent, you always fear the repercussions when and if the child returns home. There is a definite skill to interviewing techniques when dealing with a child. They are very easily led by the interviewer. If you have the rare opportunity to talk to a child without your visit being announced it is ideal for talking to the chil:, too often the caregiver "rehearses" the child or threatens them to "say what I tell you" when they know you are coming to the home. I have even experienced quilty parents telling a child "Santa doesn't bring presents to little boys who tell stories on their Mommy". If you are unsure about leading questions, here's an example: "Junior, tell Mommy about the big old bad black man dressed in ugly black clothes who came into your room and hurt your sister" or the same question with Mommy present during interview, i.e., " tell the social worker about the big bad black man who...", as Mommy raises her eyebrows and glares at the child. And it is very,very rare that the Family Court ever wants to put a child on the stand to testify against a parent. I doubt any Guardian-ad-Litem would allow it unless ordered to do so. The most valuable statement a child can make,imo, is one that encompasses age appropriate wording. Detailed descriptions for a young child (with too many adjectives) are not common. I would be inclined to believe, for example, "a black man came into..." rather than "a black man in black clothes came into...". Sounds like a prompt of "what was the black man wearing when he came into...?" was interjected. The child's statement has to be taken into context and any delay after an incident only makes a statement less reliable. Of course, all of the above is JMOO. In this case, who besides bio -mom heard the child utter this statement or answer the question posed? Actually,if the child is asked a question, what was the question? Do we know here?

I don't disagree with what you've said but an interview on television is nothing like an interview like you discussed. How do you know the official, if you want to call it that, interview with Jr did not go down exactly how you say a good interview should? What is said on television is entertainment not evidence.

[Peaches]

ummm this was not directed at me, but the person who posted to Doneit attacked her personally and as such deserved to be hit back.

jmo


I agree and this should not hap;pend to Doneit............She is always fair.

[cat3]

Oh so you think the *better people* Ron was referencing was Theresa? Hmm, Theresa is just one person, I wonder who else he had in mind, and if in fact he called them. I sure hope LE thought enough to get cellphone records for the days before, that night, and the days after.

moo

Yes.That was my thought that maybe he thought TN knew some people that she could call on in the department to get him better faster service.In his mind he didn't appear to think that help was coming fast enough.Could be he was going to call some of his friends to help out.I imagine he was frantic to get help at that point.IMO

[beachpatty]

:eek:
Oh My Have any of you checked Timothy Croslins my space .If he was the one there that night what is his alibi????????
check it out


myspace makes my puter go weird, is there anything specific that stands out that might pertain to Haleigh or the case?

TIA
Beachpatty

[Pag Boi]

In one of Theresa's media appearances. I'll have to search to see if I can locate it. But please tell me, when did GMA Sykes put in an appearance that night? I must have missed her being there so quickly.

TIA

Where did you get JR was interviewed "that night?"

You think they took a 3 yo boy to the station & interviewed him at 4 in the morning? :chicken:

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh so you think the *better people* Ron was referencing was Theresa? Hmm, Theresa is just one person, I wonder who else he had in mind, and if in fact he called them. I sure hope LE thought enough to get cellphone records for the days before, that night, and the days after.

moo

What a great point. Perhaps you can call LE and make sure they did in fact think of everything you had in mind for all the individuals involved in this case. JMO.

[baywench]

It seems to me that the location of the blanket is very important here. Misty says it is in the van. I am sure LE has checked into that van yet they are very tightlipped. I have never followed a case that had no leaks....even though I know LE doesn't have to share their information it is so frustrating! Do the "sunshine laws" only apply to certain counties, cities in FLA?

[Owlface]

UMMMMM, do you know me???

You posted your opinion, I posted mine.

Just because you might talk different than me, makes you no way in
he77 better than me. Or Ron for that matter.

Have you ever been in Rons shoes, or any elses like him?? I hear panic. I can certainly get passed the way he talks. To bad if you can't.

Excuse me - you are the one who said you've threatened to kill people, more than once. I didn't say I was better than you; I find it interesting that that's where your mind goes.

Well, since you asked, yes, I've been in Ron's shoes. My son was murdered, I don't know by whom. I haven't sworn to kill anybody - the day I found out I prayed for grace to handle the situation in a manner that my son would have been proud and God answered my prayers. This isn't about me, but you asked.

[day2day]

Zero signs of abuse? How could you possibly know that? How do you know that Ron did not speak to his children the same way he spoke to Misty? How do you know that Crystal's allegations of abuse were false?

I don't have a problem when people make it plain that they are posting an opinion or a theory.

ITA that it would be nice if there were fewer posts that assert one thing or another as being the truth, before enough of the story has been revealed to know. Your post which states as fact that there were zero signs of abuse fits that category. You don't know.

JMNVHO

Mimi-
You are abosolutely right-I don't know-and I apologize. I really should NOT have posted right then. I was VERY upset having just logged on and reading a "certain posters" accusations that "Haleigh stunk".
IMO -i find it very sad that if there are people out there that KNEW Haleigh was being abused -didn't say anything (for whatever reason) until after she has vanished...

jmo

next time i will count to 10 ;)

[crymeariver2006]

It seems to me that the location of the blanket is very important here. Misty says it is in the van. I am sure LE has checked into that van yet they are very tightlipped. I have never followed a case that had no leaks....even though I know LE doesn't have to share their information it is so frustrating! Do the "sunshine laws" only apply to certain counties, cities in FLA?

Once there is an arrest (if there is one I should say), then the media can motion the court to release documents.

Not just for certain counties in FL.

:wink:

[CANDYKISSES]

How do you know "there was zero signs of abuse"? How do you know "people" are "stating things as fact that simply aren't true"?

Very curious.

One thing we know is that DCF did an investigation and didn't find RC to be abusing his children IMO. When the DCF spokesperson was interviewed in the beginning of this case, she stated that if they found evidence there was physical abuse the child/children would have been removed. JMO but I saw the interview on one of the Gainesville sites. The sad part is that if CS and crew took some of these photos as alleged, this means they were present to see what they believed to be abuse markings and didn't try within their own jurisdiction to have someone intervene IMOO. :crying:

Again, if they were all afraid of Ron and the town has been living in fear, that's a sad story to try and sell given Johnny Sheffield has been in LE himself and served as a MARINE. No, for me there is much more to this story like the allegation of Johnny SEEING RC do drugs.....

:w00t:Hullo, that sounds ludicrous on face. What was Johnny doing WATCHING RON if that was true? There is only one answer that makes sense and I'm sure that's a contributing factor here too. JMOOC

[Peaches]

Excuse me - you are the one who said you've threatened to kill people, more than once. I didn't say I was better than you; I find it interesting that that's where your mind goes.

Well, since you asked, yes, I've been in Ron's shoes. My son was murdered, I don't know by whom. I haven't sworn to kill anybody - the day I found out I prayed for grace to handle the situation in a manner that my son would have been proud and God answered my prayers. This isn't about me, but you asked.


When most people say, "I'm going to kill your." I do not believe they meant it at the time they say it...............it is just slang! moo The poster you are addressing is really always very fair............must be a misunderstanding! moo

Owlface: As I said earlier, I am so sorry for your loss. The loss of a child was the greatest pain my mother ever faced.

Again, sorry for your loss. :wub:

[Pag Boi]

Hello again...........................:wub:

Today they have those things called "pullups"...........and overnight things............for children who are older and still wet the bed.

These children do not smell ...................and you do not have to wash bed clothes everyday.

Just thought I would throw this out.

If a child is wetting everynight.............would you not use these and save yourself work?

Just asking.............????


Haleigh looks so happy and content in her photos. She seems well dressed and well loved. I remember when the Christmas video was released, her sunny disposition was the talk of the bd.

Even Crystal has said that Ron would never hurt Haleigh. Now she claims child abuse?? And posters claim Haleigh smells???


How sad and sick JMOO

[Owlface]

I am very sorry about your son.

And yes I have said that. But you can't take words someone just says and make it actionable. I stand by what I said. Then and now. And also, as sorry as I am about your son, you cannot make everyone else's life story yours.

Thank you for your kind words about my loss.

I said it's not about me. Originally I said that Ron's threatening to kill somebody was abusive. You said it wasn't abusive, in fact you had more than once threatened to kill somebody (implying that since you did it and you aren't abusive then neither was Ron). I disagreed with this assessment and said that you thinking that yours and Rons threatening to kill people is not abusive reflects more on your beliefs than whether or not threatening to kill people is objectively abusive. I stand by what I said, threats to kill IS OBJECTIVELY ABUSIVE and I would offer the fact that its a felony in my state and probably others as proof.

[CANDYKISSES]

If the interviewer asks Misty questions in *numerical* order that could pose a problem.

moo

How so?

:confused:

[Owlface]

I had no idea Owl that you have been through such a loss. You inspire me, instead of wallowing in pity, you've managed to plow ahead, even though your heart must be heavy. Your my newest hero.

moo

I don't feel comfortable getting personal like this but I couldn't let your kind words go unacknowledged. It happened last June 15 (it's why I take Caylee's story so personally) and it's getting harder and harder to face each day without him in the world. Thank you and I apologize for the off topic.

[MrLucky917B]

It seems to me that the location of the blanket is very important here. Misty says it is in the van. I am sure LE has checked into that van yet they are very tightlipped. I have never followed a case that had no leaks....even though I know LE doesn't have to share their information it is so frustrating! Do the "sunshine laws" only apply to certain counties, cities in FLA?

Sunshine law's apply to all of Florida, it only applies to evidence sent to an attorney who is representing some one charged with a crime. Since no one has been charged LE does not have to release any evidence.

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't feel comfortable getting personal like this but I couldn't let your kind words go unacknowledged. It happened last June 15 (it's why I take Caylee's story so personally) and it's getting harder and harder to face each day without him in the world. Thank you and I apologize for the off topic.


God bless you and your family :rose:

[Pretty Leaf]

Isn't threatening to kill someone now considered a uttering terrorist threat?

[mustangtoni]

I don't feel comfortable getting personal like this but I couldn't let your kind words go unacknowledged. It happened last June 15 (it's why I take Caylee's story so personally) and it's getting harder and harder to face each day without him in the world. Thank you and I apologize for the off topic.

My heart and prayers go out to you....so sorry about your loss...I can't even begin to imagine what you are going thru

(((hugs)))

[Owlface]

I think the point is its uncivil to threaten to kill a person at anytime, I dont care what the circumstances are, scary.

jmo

Obviously I agree with you. I am not used to people finding it acceptable, even reasonable to go around threatening to kill people. I don't, my family doesn't and none of my friends do.

[teresa]

If the interviewer asks Misty questions in *numerical* order that could pose a problem.

moo

Nice snarky answer. I thought you said on the new forum you guys have pm'd us all about that you wanted to avoid any posts from me.

I have been nice to everyone here accept for one comment to a blogger but I am getting a little tired of the socio-economic put downs of people that aren't as fortunate as some of us.

I addressed a serious question from 51viking with what I thought was a nice post and you took this opportunity, again, to make fun of of the parties to this tragedy.

Perhaps you'd like to address the intelligence and education of the others in this case now.

[Peaches]

[QUOTE=Kathy*Rae;12936352]Snipped for space.



I can find Crystal's "mud singings" all over the net.

Except for the one time Ron said (and I paraphrase)
'The story about the man in black is completely ridiculous.'

Could you direct me to links of other times Ron trashed Crystal?
I must have missed those somehow.
TIA!
[/QUOTe


We know now that Misty was with greg and jr just made up that a black man in black was there, interesting, had this happened to one of my children while he had a teenager watching them there would be more than mud being slung. anyone that doesn't believe that these children were living in an unfit environment, I have ocean Front property in Arizona for sale. IMO


We know what????????????????

I certainly do not know this information that you have said "we know" is true.................I have not heard one person from LE say anything of the kind.

Sorry...............these are simply rumors.

moo

[Mimi428]

I am very sorry about your son.

And yes I have said that. But you can't take words someone just says and make it actionable. I stand by what I said. Then and now. And also, as sorry as I am about your son, you cannot make everyone else's life story yours.

Owlface was trying to make that point hours ago...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Owlface
I don't disagree with you but what's that got to do with Misty and Ron? Also, words can be very abusive. Are you saying that, for instance, threatening to kill someone is not abusive because it's just talk?

Considering some of the other information (& some of it is gossip, no doubt) we have seen/read/heard about Ron, I'm leaning more towards him being a verbally abusive person at the very least. And when we take into consideration that he has a conviction for Affray, I think that further strengthens the suspicion that he is not a stranger to behaving in abusive ways.

JMO

[baywench]

Once there is an arrest (if there is one I should say), then the media can motion the court to release documents.

Not just for certain counties in FL.

:wink:

Thanks Cry! Let's hope there's an arrest. I hate to think my confidence in LE has been misplaced. :unsure:

[Mimi428]

LOL, did anyone hear Kim Picazio call Ron teflon ron? And they have statements from a person who lived with Ron in the house the past 3 years.

Where was she when she said that? I'm not near a TV & watching video is out of the question right now, but I may be able to catch up with it later on.

TIA

[Mimi428]

On HLN about 10 minutes ago.

Thanks! Most appreciated.

I think she is pretty much on target with the Teflon Ron label. I said weeks ago that if he was in my county & had gotten arrested that many times on drug charges - he would be under the jail. Yet, we can see that in his case, the charges get dropped - time after time after time.

Seems that Ron is either the unluckiest guy in the world, who keeps having false charges filed against him - or he is actually real lucky to keep getting those sorts of charges dropped. Makes ya wonder, doesn't it?

JMO

[Peaches]

Yes I did.
I have never really taken a stance on these abuse charges one way or the other because it has pretty much been a he said/she said issue. However after hearing that an independent witness who lived with Ron for 3 years has now came forward and made an official statement, I am rather shocked. I had hoped the abuse charges were false. Now I am starting to lean toward the possibility they are true. Not a good feeling!!

How sad!


Will this be the word of an ex-lover with issues?

just asking?

[5boxersmom]

Will this be the word of an ex-lover with issues?

just asking?

I didn't hear it. If this is true I wish this person would have contaced LE or DCF before.

So sad.

imo

[forensicfan]

how long ago did this person live there and why come forward NOW? Where was he/she before?

Sorry, I don't and won't believe abuse charges until I hear it from LE.

[Mimi428]

Love It!!!!Wonder how Ronald will handle a strong woman

A strong woman who is in opposing him?

Oooooh, I do not think I want to say anything about that right now. :chicken:

I will say that I believe that Ron has had strong women work to his benefit a great deal in the past. His mother & grandmother come to mind.

JMO

[Peaches]

I didn't hear it. If this is true I wish this person would have contaced LE or DCF before.

So sad.

imo



Yes..............you are correct. I certainly am holding my breath.

I hope that adults would not sit on their thumbs and not do something if they see a child mistreated -----------

[odyssey]

Where did you get JR was interviewed "that night?"

You think they took a 3 yo boy to the station & interviewed him at 4 in the morning? :chicken:

We *were* told he was taken to the station that night. I believe they spoke to him .. well my belief is they were speaking to him here and there over time, not 'keeping' him for a long amounts of time.

jmoo

[odyssey]

How so?

:confused:

My guess would be she was making fun of the fact that Misty did not know what the word numerical meant in the 911 call. But i hope i am wrong.

I don't know what Misty's involvement in Haleigh's disappearance. She could be completely innocent, up to her eyeballs, and anything in between. But unless or until I wish people could remember she is a teenager that had a really horrible thing happen to her when she was 13 and has not had a good life visited upon her by most people's standards and *but for the grace of God*, many of us could innocently be the talk of the message boards one day. I don't want my son or his half sister spoke of poorly
and i dont want *any of y'all's children and grand children* spoken of poorly. Aren't we all better than that? Can't we be?


jmoo

[i_pickle]

LOL, did anyone hear Kim Picazio call Ron teflon ron? And they have statements from a person who lived with Ron in the house the past 3 years.Yeah, you gotta wonder about all those drug arrests and no convictions.

I hope JVM or NG has more info from the person that lived with Ron for 3 years.

[JD1974]

Misty made a POINT of the washing of the blanket. Said when she put Haleigh to be she noticed the blanket smelled like pee. Obviously she would have had to remove the blanket earlier if she had washed the sheets so obviously it was the same sheets from the night before. I am sorry if you have boys that may wet the blanket but not the bed.Girls don't work that way.It doesn't go upward, it soaks you underneath.

The surmissal is that the sheets had to be urine tainted if the blanket was. She didn't state anything about washing the bedding. She was very specific about having taken down the blanket from the window and described another in the "van". SHe thought it was important enough to make a point of it. IMO yes IMO the sheets were soiled and she was left to sleep on them. I consider that filth. AGAIN, JMOO.:cursing:



I have 5 girls and 1 boy, plus I am a female myself so I do know how females urinate. Like I said, it makes no sense to wash ONLY the blanket if the bed was urinated in, everything would stink not just the blanket.

ETA It is also possible she put different sheets on but Haleigh only had one comforter type blanket.

[i_pickle]

how long ago did this person live there and why come forward NOW? Where was he/she before?

Sorry, I don't and won't believe abuse charges until I hear it from LE.Lol, killing the messenger before you even know what the message is or who it came from?

[Mimi428]

Yes I did.
I have never really taken a stance on these abuse charges one way or the other because it has pretty much been a he said/she said issue. However after hearing that an independent witness who lived with Ron for 3 years has now came forward and made an official statement, I am rather shocked. I had hoped the abuse charges were false. Now I am starting to lean toward the possibility they are true. Not a good feeling!!

How sad!

Do we know if the independent witness is male or female?

If a credible witness can attest that Ron is/was abusive, that really will not surprise me much, because he has already demonstrated (IMO) a lot of the telltale signs.

JMO

[4Kids]

Lol, killing the messenger before you even know what the message is or who it came from?

If this "person" witnessed abuse of these children and did nothing....and has done nothing in these 6 or so weeks...they are bad as the abuser, or worse. If Ron abused these kids, lock him up...NOW! If someone saw it, never reported it and decided not to mention it until now, I hold them very responsible for several years of hell for two small children. I believed it in the Marcus Fiesel case, the Nixzmary Brown case, the Summer Phelps case and the Ricky Holland case. In this case, I am still doubtful. I wasn't in the others. MOO

[i_pickle]

I hope RC appreciates the support he has here. I know he knows how to play the system that is proven with all the charges dropped. But now he has to fool the whole world.He never did fool me.

His behavior raised red flags from minute one, imo.

[i_pickle]

If this "person" witnessed abuse of these children and did nothing....and has done nothing in these 6 or so weeks...they are bad as the abuser, or worse. If Ron abused these kids, lock him up...NOW! If someone saw it, never reported it and decided not to mention it until now, I hold them very responsible for several years of hell for two small children. I believed it in the Marcus Fiesel case, the Nixzmary Brown case, the Summer Phelps case and the Ricky Holland case. In this case, I am still doubtful. I wasn't in the others. MOOYou assume much. Why not just wait and see who it is and what they have to say before calling them "worse than an abuser?" :bored:

[Mimi428]

Yes...you are correct. I certainly am holding my breath.

I hope that adults would not sit on their thumbs and not do something if they see a child mistreated

You can ask any person working in any field that handles any aspect of child welfare & they should be able to tell you that it happens pretty frequently.

Wishing & hoping doesn't change a single thing about it. Sorta like I wish I had won the lottery last night. Or I hope that tomorrow I will find $50 on the sidewalk. Nothing about this case (or any other) will be true or untrue based on our personal wishes. If Haleigh should be found alive & unharmed, it won't be because any of us hoped for it to be true. Same as if she is found in any other condition or if she is never found at all. It is what it is. It will be what it will be.

JMO

[bookie]

Quote:
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What is your problem with the comment about urine soaked bed???? If the blanket that had covered Haleigh smelled like "pee" Misty's statement as to why she washed it, obviously the sheets HaLeigh laid in were soaked as well. Last I checked girls don't urinate upwards so it would only be on the blanket. That is the basis of the comment and an obvious assumption her bed was filthy,

Quote function messed up.
THIS IS NOT A POST OF MINE.
Thank you,
Kathy*Rae



Sorry. I thought I snipped your nic out of it to focus on the other persons comments. I pasted it from yesterdays thread and made sure I had the other person's nic up top.

[i_pickle]

Wow, you must have lived a very sheltered life...LOL

I am sure I have been called every name under the sun some to my face. :biggrinjester:I was married 38 years. My husband passed last year. Never once in the 40+ years that I knew him did he talk to me the way Ron talked to Misty.

Neither my husband or I led a sheltered life.

[bookie]

I am sure that this question has been asked and answered before, so excuse me.
With Ron's previous felony arrests, was he allowed to own or have a gun?
(I realize many other players in this case also have criminal pasts, so I am not slamming just him.)
Could that be why the gun was found in the ditch and the differing stories about it and the fight from Ron and his mother?
TIA



You lose the right to own a gun if you are convicted of a felony. An arrest isn't a conviction so yes, he should still be allowed to own guns.

[i_pickle]

If they witnessed abuse on these children then they are just as bad if not worse than the abuser. There is no two ways about it.Thanks for your opinion.

We don't even know if it's about abuse and you already have the mystery person labled worse than an abuser. LOL Gotta love the internet.

[i_pickle]

Didn't crystals cousin or someone say they witnessed Ronald back slap Haleigh so hard she fell down and was bleeding? Why didn't they call 911?You'd have to ask them. I'm sure I wouldn't know if they did or didn't or why they did or didn't call 911.

[bama__angel]

wouldn't you agree though IF they really did see abuse like that they are just as bad as the abuser?

See i never think it happen...I think it's a LIE.



I cant imagine that another person could witness abuse of 2 small children over a period of 3 years and never ever report it.......Blows my mind.......

My question is why wait until now? Maybe if this person is so frightened of "Teflon Ron", Crystal's attorney has had this person placed in protective custody....Ya think? LOL......I dont believe it either.

[i_pickle]

I'm sorry for the loss of your husband.

Tree didn't mention a spouse...He/she said no one had ever called him/her names...Do I think what Ron said to Misty was right or acceptable...no...but I don't think what we heard on that 911 call makes him a murderer...especially to one of his own children.

Does he have a temper? Probably so but we have absolutely no proof that he did anything to cause this little girl's disappearance and I don't think we should use a conversation when he was in shock, probably scared out of his mind to say that he is responsible as some here have done.They're married now. They were living together as lovers when Haleigh disappeared. There are many people that live their entire lives without talking to their loved ones the way he talked to Misty. And it has nothing to do with living a sheltered life. That was the point I was trying to make.

I never said definitively that Ron is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, but I think he has the classic signs of an abuser. He's had numerous arrests for drugs (oddly, with NO convictions) he's got a hair-trigger temper, Haleigh went missing under his watch and he hasn't been cleared by LE.

Imo, he is suspect on so many levels.

[bookie]

Rumors from Cobra, doubt that he needs to spread rumors and RC confirmed it. In my life experiences where there is smoke there is usually fire. Wish I could be so gullable to believe this was a fairytale situation, but just don't see that in this case.IMO




Would you please post the link where Ron confirmed it? And I don't mean the link to Cobra saying Ron confirmed it but anything with a direct comment from Ron confirming it.

[Mimi428]

wouldn't you agree though IF they really did see abuse like that they are just as bad as the abuser?

See i never think it happen...I think it's a LIE.

I can only speak for myself, but I think the person who does the hitting, slapping, punching, kicking, stabbing, shooting, threatening, generally-behaving-badly is a LOT worse than the people who witness it, whether those people ever tell anyone or not.

JMO

[Ice Cycle]

Hi,
Haven't posted in a while but been reading it. As far as the other girl (live in) is concerned and her not coming forward maybe she did to Crystal and is why she decided to go ahead with this. The only thing is because he did it to them does not mean he did it to her. This is not me defending him because I certainly don't agree with his lifestyle or way but just not certain he is guilty of this. The thing I would like to know is about the air conditioner guy, not that I think he is involved but I mean what time he arrived and left? Was the screen door open, did he see Haleigh, things I am sure LE has asked him. I also wondering if he had to turn the electricity off for any length of time-which meant Misty would not of been able to use the washer/dryer till later. Not that I am certain she is innocent either but it might explain the late washing of the blanket.

[odyssey]

I believe Kim did say it was about abuse but on to the rest of your comment...what is so different about me 'labeling' this person 'worse than the abuser' than some of the ones on here labeling Ron a murderer and child molester not to mention the things that have been said about others? I stand by what I said. If someone witnessed him abusing those children and did nothing then yes they are worse than he was.

I cannot personally imagine seeing a child abused and doing nothing. Not comparing the two but I have stepped in when I have seen pets abused so certainly if someone was hurting a little child I would do what I could to make certain they were safer.

jmoo

[i_pickle]

I cant imagine that another person could witness abuse of 2 small children over a period of 3 years and never ever report it.......Blows my mind.......

My question is why wait until now? Maybe if this person is so frightened of "Teflon Ron", Crystal's attorney has had this person placed in protective custody....Ya think? LOL......I dont believe it either.We don't even know if that's what happened, yet you and others are already posting it as fact and getting your mind blown. :confused:

[crymeariver2006]

Quick question...

Why would TN even take pictures of a minor injury and show the progression of it healing?

Have they been required to document other injuries?

Just askin'....

[crymeariver2006]

I cant imagine that another person could witness abuse of 2 small children over a period of 3 years and never ever report it.......Blows my mind.......

My question is why wait until now? Maybe if this person is so frightened of "Teflon Ron", Crystal's attorney has had this person placed in protective custody....Ya think? LOL......I dont believe it either.

The abuse allegations were reported to LE as well as DCF.

JMO, but there's a link from earlier in the week where LE confirmed that they had investigated allegations "3 times in the past 4 years". That's not counting the DCF investigations, the number of which were not disclosed.

[bookie]

We don't even know if that's what happened, yet you and others are already posting it as fact and getting your mind blown. :confused:



We don't know that Ron abused Crystal or the children yet it's posted here daily as fact that he did.

We don't know that Ron had any involvement in Haleigh's disappearance yet it's posted daily here as fact that he was involved.

[i_pickle]

We don't know that Ron abused Crystal or the children yet it's posted here daily as fact that he did.

We don't know that Ron had any involvement in Haleigh's disappearance yet it's posted daily here as fact that he was involved.So what's your point?

Others do it, so anything goes? That's pretty childish, imo.

[bookie]

The abuse allegations were reported to LE as well as DCF.

JMO, but there's a link from earlier in the week where LE confirmed that they had investigated allegations "3 times in the past 4 years". That's not counting the DCF investigations, the number of which were not disclosed.



Crystal admitted calling DCF on Ron. DCF investigated as well as LE. LE has gone so far as to state nothing was found. IMO the reports were from an angry ex with no merit to them.

[CANDYKISSES]

Nice snarky answer. I thought you said on the new forum you guys have pm'd us all about that you wanted to avoid any posts from me.

I have been nice to everyone here accept for one comment to a blogger but I am getting a little tired of the socio-economic put downs of people that aren't as fortunate as some of us.

I addressed a serious question from 51viking with what I thought was a nice post and you took this opportunity, again, to make fun of of the parties to this tragedy.

Perhaps you'd like to address the intelligence and education of the others in this case now.

OMG starting a new board, what a novel idea Teresa. That makes it possible to garner all the negativity and levy the false accusations with no repercussions here. Well, I never....:rolleyes:

This happens in every case when posters want to start going outside the realm of decency with the victims, their families and other posters. I've seen it go from insinuating incest to physical abuse to sexual abuse. Don't let it get you down because for the most part people who aren't launching attacks and sites to avoid following protocol are human and can feel empathy and compassion IMO.

No kidding, there was a poster here smiting Misty and her intelligence using the word "trailer" in a denigrating manner, but couldn't spell it. That's a real blower IMO, I'll bet all the air was out of those attacks IMO. I don't find that one any better or worse than Misty by measure.

While we have a case here that tells a very sad story on both sides, I still have no doubt Haleigh and Junior loved their HOME and their FAMILY. JMO tho. :wub:

PRAYING FOR A MIRACLE for HALEIGH CUMMINGS. :rose:

[bookie]

So what's your point?

Others do it, so anything goes? That's pretty childish, imo.


The point is that you ignore it when it point to Ron but complain when it is about Crystal or anyone on her side. Funny how that always happens. :rolleyes:

[CANDYKISSES]

Crystal admitted calling DCF on Ron. DCF investigated as well as LE. LE has gone so far as to state nothing was found. IMO the reports were from an angry ex with no merit to them.

Don't forget Cobra and his unwarranted welfare check Bookie. Now that was a winner. :thumbdown: JMO

Had he not used such disgusting language about what he himself would do to Misty, I might have given him a second thought. But his conduct speaks volumes IMO. :blushing:

[crymeariver2006]

Crystal admitted calling DCF on Ron. DCF investigated as well as LE. LE has gone so far as to state nothing was found. IMO the reports were from an angry ex with no merit to them.


Thanks for the confirmation that the abuse allegations were indeed reported to LE. That was the point of my response to the poster.

Now...do we have confirmation that all of the reports came from Crystal?

[bama__angel]

We don't even know if that's what happened, yet you and others are already posting it as fact and getting your mind blown. :confused:



Did I post anything as fact? I said " I cant imagine" .....Nothing in here is fact if you really wanna get down to it.......IMO facts come from LE.......they arent talking......Everything we write is our opinion...except for links from the media......and media gets it wrong also....JMO

[bookie]

Thanks for the confirmation that the abuse allegations were indeed reported to LE. That was the point of my response to the poster.

Now...do we have confirmation that all of the reports came from Crystal?



You left out the part where LE found no abuse. That was the point of my response.

[4Kids]

I am sorry to be off topic also, but Owlface, I don't know what happened, but you and your family will be in my prayers. I am so sorry for your loss, I can not even imagine.

I also, want to thank the people that understood why I got so upset with a poster that I felt was attacking Haleigh - the victim and a precious little girl.

I also, will say ...I will do my best to ignore that poster or just leave while they are posting. I would NOT want my actions to get the board closed. I should have counted to 10 also.

Horse...I read the post you are referencing and I agree. That poster should win the most repugnant disgusting post of the week award. MOO

[i_pickle]

I think we are posting about what Kim said...she said she had someone that witnessed it...were we hearing things other than what she said?Maybe you can direct me to a link so I can read what she said.

As I told you, all I read is that she got a statement from someone that lived with Ron for 3 years.

[4Kids]

So...when will we find out who the person is that will attest to abuse? What show referenced this? MOO

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't think its necessarily support.

IUPG is a foreign concept to some people and you'll just have to accept that IMO. :sad:

[crymeariver2006]

You left out the part where LE found no abuse. That was the point of my response.


No, what LE said was "no criminal charges" resulted. That doesn't mean that they didn't find marks on Jr or Haleigh. The statute in FL pretty much is lenient as far as "discipline" unless the "discipline" kills the child.

[CC I See]

I cannot personally imagine seeing a child abused and doing nothing. Not comparing the two but I have stepped in when I have seen pets abused so certainly if someone was hurting a little child I would do what I could to make certain they were safer. jmoo

Sometimes a person can go into a state of denial and want to believe the abuser rather than confront what he or she may have done. The cuts and bruises are explained away as accidents and the whole thing is soon forgotten. It is only in hindsight when something serious happens that people look back and realize that they have overlooked critical signs.

We don't know one way or another if Haleigh was abused, not yet but I also think it's wise to keep an open mind and realize that such a thing is possible and not rule it out.

Someone abducted this precious child and hurt her, everyone should be suspect in this case that had access to her. Ron included.

I have a link that might interest you. A serious injury can often go unnoticed..

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/26/head.injury.emergency/index.html

[i_pickle]

IUPG is a foreign concept to some people and you'll just have to accept that IMO. :sad:What does IUPG mean and why are you always talking about other posters? Isn't that against TOS?

[crymeariver2006]

Crystal said ONLY her and her mom called and they NEVER saw the abuse.

So "Crystal said" is the confirmation that she (and maybe her mom) were the only ones reporting abuse to LE and DCF?

:confused:

[crymeariver2006]

Show me where they said that? Because NG read where they said NO evidence of abuse.

I'll have to find the link, but it was here.

NG sees what she wants to see. LOL

[crymeariver2006]

Good question.

You know what really bugs me. Here you have JR who could be the only witness to a crime that Misty does not seem to want solved. I wish they would separate the two until this gets worked out. I know in the Diane Downs case BEFORE she was arrested for the crimes against her children, she was not allowed around the them. I wish someone could do the same for JR.

If they had separated Ron and Misty for about a week, we might be closer to finding out what happened to Haleigh.

JMO

[odyssey]

Sometimes a person can go into a state of denial and want to believe the abuser rather than confront what he or she may have done. The cuts and bruises are explained away as accidents and the whole thing is soon forgotten. It is only in hindsight when something serious happens that people look back and realize that they have overlooked critical signs.

We don't know one way or another if Haleigh was abused, not yet but I also think it's wise to keep an open mind and realize that such a thing is possible and not rule it out.

Someone abducted this precious child and hurt her, everyone should be suspect in this case that had access to her. Ron included.

I have a link that might interest you. A serious injury can often go unnoticed..

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/26/head.injury.emergency/index.html


Not sure what that has to do with someone witnessing abuse for three years and not stepping in.
And Ron had a very very narrow time frame to inflict any injury upon Haleigh on Monday.
But you are right in that anyone that is in and around her life should be suspect.

jmoo

[4Kids]

on several shows Crystal said her cousin saw Ronald back slap Haleigh over and over till she fell down on the porch and was bleeding.

BUT...... get this .....Crystal did NOT find out about the abuse until weeks later when Haleigh come to her house.

The cousin didn't even call Crystal when it happen. Can you believe that?

Nope. This case feels like a divorce hearing instead of a missing child case. MOO

[Mimi428]

You left out the part where LE found no abuse. That was the point of my response.

Do you recall where you read/heard that?

All I can remember is that when LE was asked about abuse, accusations of abuse, etc., that they said that things such as abuse/neglect were handled by DCF - & that DCF would not (via policy) have any comments about anything they did.

IOW, the findings of abuse would be determined NOT by LE, but by DCF - & DCF ain't talkin' at this point.

JMO

[VII]

Oh yeah no doubt. Sorry but i would put the life of the abused child above my own but i guess those adults around Haleigh must not have carried much because they sure never reported being an eye witness to the abuse.
MOO

imo, the players in the case are in no way strangers to being called in to LE (aka "the laws")
OR
CPS ....
They party hardy, get mad, call "the laws" or CPS to get each other in trouble. Often times, they are best buds the very next day and will change their stories.
In my experiences w/Local CPS, Intake becomes well acquainted with "tattle tails" and often just screen out reports before submitting them for investigation. Same goes for custody battles/issues with parents and absent parents "telling on" each other.
Sad that it can and possibly DID result in the permanent loss of a child.
imo

[CC I See]

Not sure what that has to do with someone witnessing abuse for three years and not stepping in.
And Ron had a very very narrow time frame to inflict any injury upon Haleigh on Monday.
But you are right in that anyone that is in and around her life should be suspect. jmoo

What the link to the news article said was that sometimes a person or child can sustain and enjury and it may not be apparent until much later when it is too late for treatment. Haleigh could have been hurt by someone in the family at any time prior to her going missing. That person when they found her after it was too late to help her could have covered it up. Looking at all possibilities is important as this could be why she is now missing.

[VII]

exactly...... crystal and her mom called. never did the cousin that seen the abuse. I wonder why.

Perhaps they didn't call because they didn't want to expain what they were doing there, what was going on, and their children were present.

Don't ask
Don't tell

jmo

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[CANDYKISSES]

Not sure what that has to do with someone witnessing abuse for three years and not stepping in.
And Ron had a very very narrow time frame to inflict any injury upon Haleigh on Monday.
But you are right in that anyone that is in and around her life should be suspect.

jmoo

I'm glad someone else is scratching their head on that one. I haven't read of an injury to Haleigh the day she was allegedly abducted. The info is good for everyone to read tho given the death of Natasha Richardson.

Everyone is a suspect in the case of Haleigh Cummings per LE IIRC. :sad: JMO

[Mimi428]

exactly...... crystal and her mom called. never did the cousin that seen the abuse. I wonder why.

Never? How do we know with certainty what any of these people have ever done?

[odyssey]

What the link to the news article said was that sometimes a person or child can sustain and enjury and it may not be apparent until much later when it is too late for treatment. Haleigh could have been hurt by someone in the family at any time prior to her going missing. That person when they found her after it was too late to help her could have covered it up. Looking at all possibilities is important as this could be why she is now missing.

That was not what we were discussing however. no problem.
We were discussing people claiming to witness abuse for years and not reporting it.

[CC I See]

I'm glad someone else is scratching their head on that one. I haven't read of an injury to Haleigh the day she was allegedly abducted. The info is good for everyone to read tho given the death of Natasha Richardson.

Everyone is a suspect in the case of Haleigh Cummings per LE IIRC. :sad: JMO Actually the injury to the little girl in the news article was two days before they noticed anything was wrong. This could make it hard to pin down the exact moment it occurred and who was responsible if it wasn't an accident in Haleigh's case.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/26/head.injury.emergency/index.html

[odyssey]

Well Cobra certainly tried it!!

I was just watching the interview with Misty's mom. Did I understand her correctly.......LE interviewed Misty for 14 hrs one time?? Wow!! I do have trouble with her accent so maybe I got that wrong.

JVM coming up about Haleigh
She did say that yes

[crymeariver2006]

Well Cobra certainly tried it!!

I was just watching the interview with Misty's mom. Did I understand her correctly.......LE interviewed Misty for 14 hrs one time?? Wow!! I do have trouble with her accent so maybe I got that wrong.

JVM coming up about Haleigh

That's what she said!

Wonder what day that was?

[CANDYKISSES]

Nope. This case feels like a divorce hearing instead of a missing child case. MOO

Unfortunately, you are correct. It seems to be a good way to try and remedy poor choices made in the past IMO and I don't see it as a successful move unless these allegations are true. That said, I don't necessarily believe that will simply flip the children to Crystal either. She must meet the same standards and RONALD MADE ME DO IT will only hold for so long IMO. :sad: