Thursday, March 26, 2009 #1 [Archive] - Page 2

VII

03-26-2009, 09:00 PM

I don't put much stock in "Cobra's" story about Greg. Yet.

I also don't think these children were living in an "unfit environment', so I may be interested in your Arizona property. lol

The kids seem to have had the love of their parents, grandparents, extended family and friends.
We don't all live the same way, YKWIM?
IMO he was doing the best he could with his children.

I tend to believe Ron when he says he wasn't on drugs. He may be randomly tested by DCFS and had to stop.
It happens.

and those who are "randomly tested" know "the system"
and how to work it.
imo
he could have cont'd his "use" and cleaned out the old system when he got the call from DCFS, (not answered) then called them back when the coast was cleared.
However, it doesn't sound like DCFS had an open case, voluntary and most definatley, not court involved.
Most likely, no drug testing was reqested.
but if it were ...
refer to the above

imo

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Peaches

03-26-2009, 09:02 PM

says a lot of the same things as the previous link but was just updated so posting it .. hope that's okay.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134693&catid=295

"Picazio told First Coast News that Ronald Cummings may be able to "explain away" one incident or injury, but he will not be able to explain away all the other injuries and eyewitness accounts she has learned about."

I, for one, appreciate your links.............very telling.

We will see were this goes.

Thanks again! Fruit :lol::lol::lol:

BTW. check your pm

odyssey

03-26-2009, 09:04 PM

Are you saying it did not happen that way?
That is just it. None of us know what happened to her.
Here's my opinion of that certain speculation... not that i matters but

I don't think Ronald had time to do anything on Monday.
If he did something on *sunday* so bad to kill her but leave absolutely no outward sign so that she was able to function well and properly overnight, before, during, and after school .. well i think enough time would have passed between the incident(the alleged serious unseen injury he would have had to have inflicted the day before) and her sudden rapid decline into death, that Misty could NOT have connected the two (since according to some Misty was not even around on sunday).

What i am trying to say is i think she would have been taken to the hospital or 911 would have been called to help her because i don't think they would have connected some unseen injury that caused no outward damage to her suddenly getting sick very late the next day.

jmoo

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 09:04 PM

NG is asking about Misty "entertaining" the night Haleigh went missing.

Peaches

03-26-2009, 09:08 PM

I loved this line by the attorneys.

Concluding their argument, Cummings lawyers say, "Most importantly, the focus has been taken off the search for Haleigh by this tawdry and inexcusable publicity stunt."

It was a good idea for Ron to get himself an attorney.

It is also my hope that Misty will obtain someone to help her. She is ONLY 17 years old. Today, she should be looking forward to spring break.............the prom...........and what she would do this summer.

Poor, poor baby........She needs a helping hand up............moo

4Kids

03-26-2009, 09:09 PM

Just going to throw this out there. I did not hear the attorney for Crystal say it but I have read what you all heard. So didn't Crystal live with Ron about 3 years? Could this just be a way to twist things up in media?

imo

Yes Boxer. That would be interesting, wouldn't it?

MOO

Mimi428

03-26-2009, 09:10 PM

NG is asking about Misty "entertaining" the night Haleigh went missing.

Is Miss Nancy asking in the form of a rhetorical question - or has she directed that question towards a specific person?

TIA

bkwits

03-26-2009, 09:11 PM

I'm sorry for the loss of your husband.

Tree didn't mention a spouse...He/she said no one had ever called him/her names...Do I think what Ron said to Misty was right or acceptable...no...but I don't think what we heard on that 911 call makes him a murderer...especially to one of his own children.

Does he have a temper? Probably so but we have absolutely no proof that he did anything to cause this little girl's disappearance and I don't think we should use a conversation when he was in shock, probably scared out of his mind to say that he is responsible as some here have done.

If I had known Ron Cummings, I may not have liked him. I may not have liked his form of discipline. Do I think he abused his children? Possibly. The marks on the legs could be from switches or somthing else. The sores and scrapes on Haleigh's face (in the photo) look more like an accident than abuse. However, even if he went to far in discipline that does not mean he is a murderer of his child. I don't think he killed her or had someone do it. IMO

CANDYKISSES

03-26-2009, 09:12 PM

Are you saying it did not happen that way?
That is just it. None of us know what happened to her.

I explained my question. If you are now answering for the OP are you trying to say you think she got a head injury two days prior and disappeared from her bed two days later?

So what makes you speculate this with no Haleigh and no record of an injury that weekend, or do you have something alleging an injury that weekend? :confused:

JMO

Mimi428

03-26-2009, 09:14 PM

Crystal said her cousin never called..... so honestly i'm not sure if she called or not because i don't believe a word that comes out of Crystals mouth anymore.

I think by the time it is all said & done (sooner than later, hopefully) the story will be like Humpty Dumpty -in so many fragments that we will never have a good grasp of the genuine realities. Too many people with too many personal issues & challenges & troubles with the law - & all of them seem to have a reason to spin.

JMO

4Kids

03-26-2009, 09:14 PM

Thanks for that link. Much appreciated.

I wonder why Teresa was taking pix every day of the injuries.

Did you notice that it was Teresa (not Ron) who took Haleigh for medical care? I wonder where the notion came from that Ron was the one who took her?

Excerpts...

That same day, Haleigh's grandmother, Teresa Neves, took the child to Flagler Hospital's emergency room for care.

...Three days later, the attorney said Haleigh's grandmother took her back to the hospital because of stomach cramps, nausea and vomiting.

I didn't think that odd, Mimi..my mother often took my kids to the Doc when I was working nights. However, what i want to know....did Crystal's lawyers reach out to the school before making these allegations? MOO

CANDYKISSES

03-26-2009, 09:17 PM

If I had known Ron Cummings, I may not have liked him. I may not have liked his form of discipline. Do I think he abused his children? Possibly. The marks on the legs could be from switches or somthing else. The sores and scrapes on Haleigh's face (in the photo) look more like an accident than abuse. However, even if he went to far in discipline that does not mean he is a murderer of his child. I don't think he killed her or had someone do it. IMO

I don't either BK and you know the school incident involved the monkey bars, right? Those kind of injuries can be brutal IMO and the idea of a hematoma developing is surely possible IMOO.

I pretty much agree with everything you said above. NO, RONALD would not be on my BFF list, but I believe he loves his children. I don't believe that Ronald made Crystal do drugs. She sounded angry when she described telling him off about the idea of him using cocaine and her not whilst pregnant. IF HE STRUCK HER, yes it is abuse. But sadly, she comes lacking credibility IMO.

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 09:21 PM

Is Miss Nancy asking in the form of a rhetorical question - or has she directed that question towards a specific person?

TIA

Mimi, It was just the "tease" at the beginning of the show.

Hopefully, that means she will be giving Haleigh some airtime tonight.

CANDYKISSES

03-26-2009, 09:24 PM

Probably because of Crystal's repeated reports to DCF?

Also, I've seen law suits develop from playground incidents. It starts with taking the child to the doctor, and ends with the insurance company asking questions.

A neighbor settled a case outside of court because of faulty playground equipment that was purchased by the county for the school. I certainly would recommend pics either way bookie. JMO :sad:

odyssey

03-26-2009, 09:25 PM

Did Mrs. Neves state that Haleigh went to the doctor once a month?
Would a doctor seeing a child regularly notice if she was abused, not thriving, etc.?

jmoo

CANDYKISSES

03-26-2009, 09:26 PM

I am saying that we do not know what happened to Haleigh.

Exactly, as far as we know she may turn up tomorrow safe and sound. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

JMO

Peaches

03-26-2009, 09:26 PM

But for some reason he had been tested before...as per court document on the custody hearing. I don't know if he had been tested since that time but I would think he would know that it was possible to be tested again at any time.

Yes, when Crystal was saying in court that Ronald had an accident with his children in the car/truck, she said that he was on drugs.

It was a good thing for him that he had a drug test the next day and it was done at the court house...............so, he had evidence he was not on drugs at that time.

I think that Ron is growing up along with his children but, I have to give him a "that a boy" for being there for them. Not many young men would want the responsibility of 2 babies. MOO

CC I See

03-26-2009, 09:29 PM

I don't understand where you're getting the information that something happened to Haleigh. Is there something out there indicating she suffered a blow to the head in the days preceding her abduction?

I'm trying here. :confused: No I don't have inside information only speculation just like everyone else. Haleigh could have been injured in school that day and it might not be apparent. That night she could have died from such an injury and Misty panicked and covered up the situation so that she would not be blamed for her injuries. It is only speculation... which I believe is allowed as I have said from the very beginning.

bama__angel

03-26-2009, 09:29 PM

Did Mrs. Neves state that Haleigh went to the doctor once a month?
Would a doctor seeing a child regularly notice if she was abused, not thriving, etc.?

jmoo

Excellant point......Haleigh had TS....she would probably go to the doctor on a regular basis.......

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 09:30 PM

Exactly, as far as we know she may turn up tomorrow safe and sound. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

JMO

Praying that this happens, Candy.

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 09:30 PM

NG just asked Kim P about a visitor in Cummings HH the night Haleigh went missing. She said they are not claiming that. They have witnesses that saw Misty away from the home. Maybe that's why "Cobra" has disappeared from the scene. Oh Boy NG is giving it to KP after the break. Reading her a statement she made at an earlier date. NG "Did they misquote you"? KP - it was not a quote. Surely knows Misty was not home according to witnesses, but she doesn't know, she wasn't there. JMO

4Kids

03-26-2009, 09:32 PM

Yes, when Crystal was saying in court that Ronald had an accident with his children in the car/truck, she said that he was on drugs.

It was a good thing for him that he had a drug test the next day and it was done at the court house...............so, he had evidence he was not on drugs at that time.

I think that Ron is growing up along with his children but, I have to give him a "that a boy" for being there for them. Not many young men would want the responsibility of 2 babies. MOO

I too grew up with my kiddos. I was 21 when I had my first. My DH...very much like Ron. Most on here wouldn't like him. Hard, redneckish, etc. But he has grown as well. We are in a better place than many thought possible. Married and going strong 20 years later and a table full of kiddo and we vacation twice year, pay taxes,etc. But back in the day, you would have crossed the street if you saw my DH coming.

Ron may be exactly what most here thinks he is not. A good father, provider and a recovering wanna be thug.

MOO

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 09:32 PM

NG also showed Ron's photos documenting Haleigh's fall at school and how she looked that day and several days afterward.

As far as the abuse claims are concerned, they are in the hands of DCF and LE now, and I am sure they will do the right thing (whatever it may be).

VII

03-26-2009, 09:33 PM

But for some reason he had been tested before...as per court document on the custody hearing. I don't know if he had been tested since that time but I would think he would know that it was possible to be tested again at any time.

and that `requirement`/request/order ended when the custody issue was decided.

He may have had to submit to drug screen prior to his employment where he works, or DID work ....
but
most plants around here require that THEN they don't do it again until the employee does something high risk or gets injured on the job.

Where there is a will, there is a way.
The system, such that it is, is certainly not infallible.

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4Kids

03-26-2009, 09:34 PM

Yeah, people can tamper with drug tests, Ron looks like he knows how to beat them, the tests that is.
jmo

Ron looks? WTH does that mean? Most people I know that can beat "raps" are rich and white collar. Look around...congress is full of em. MOO MOO

Mimi428

03-26-2009, 09:34 PM

I didn't think that odd, Mimi..my mother often took my kids to the Doc when I was working nights. However, what i want to know....did Crystal's lawyers reach out to the school before making these allegations? MOO

Oh, I do NOT think it is odd that Teresa took Haleigh to the doctor. The part I find odd is that all the posts last week were that RON took her - & I have no idea why it was believed so strongly that he did so & not somebody else. Now I wonder how many other things Ron has mistakenly gotten credit for when the reality is that they were done for the kids by other folks.

I have no clue who Crystal's attorney may have been speaking to.

JMO

bama__angel

03-26-2009, 09:34 PM

Yeah, people can tamper with drug tests, Ron looks like he knows how to beat them, the tests that is.
jmo

Ron has the "I can beat a drug test" look. Please describe this look....

sunstar

03-26-2009, 09:35 PM

If NG has KimP on I hope she asks her why we are supposed to believe the date they claim Crystal took a pic of Haleigh but not believe the dates on Rons pics. Atleast Ron/Theresa didn't turn off the date stamp.

After learning of Cummings' attorney's statements and the photos released, Pecazio called Channel 4 and said the pictures might not have been taken on the dates that they were date stamped. She said the dates could be changed in a camera.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19023072/detail.html

Nancy's talking with Kim P. and hasn't mentioned the dates yet. She's talking more about Misty and possibly not being home that night. Nancy's saying that Kim P. is relying on what her client tells her. :shrug:

Peaches

03-26-2009, 09:36 PM

I too grew up with my kiddos. I was 21 when I had my first. My DH...very much like Ron. Most on here wouldn't like him. Hard, redneckish, etc. But he has grown as well. We are in a better place than many thought possible. Married and going strong 20 years later and a table full of kiddo and we vacation twice year, pay taxes,etc. But back in the day, you would have crossed the street if you saw my DH coming.

Ron may be exactly what most here thinks he is not. A good father, provider and a recovering wanna be thug.

MOO

Congratulations..............I know that I always told my parents that I raised them..............They were 16 and 18 when I was born. They were married 60+ years until my mother passed away. I have 6 siblings. We all survived.

4Kids..........other posters do not know what any of us went through growing up or how we raised our children.

Anyway.............again..........Congratulations! on a job well done!

Januarybaby

03-26-2009, 09:36 PM

I know this is probably just my feeling, but
Ronald Cummings did not look like a man about to get married coming and going from the courthouse getting his license, and I saw a piece of his wedding, he didnt look too thrilled there either. He also seems to show tiny little signs that he doesnt believe Mistys stories and he would know alot more stuff from the police than we would.

I wonder if RC asked Misty to marry him so that she would have complete trust in him and maybe tell him what happened that night. A man who would do anything to find his child, just might even go all the way to marriage.

I also think that this "custody" thing may not be real, but a way for Misty to think hes not getting along with his ex and actually working with him to find her. Misty would even trust him more.

CANDYKISSES

03-26-2009, 09:40 PM

Okay, watching Kim try to slither out from under that quote is interesting.

DOES anyone here really believe JUNIOR would put something out there like that and Misty would still be alive to talk period? I just don't believe it. Speaking for myself, IF I HAD A BABYSITTER who did what is being alleged and my child was gone when I returned, I would drag her around by her hair until we found my child IMOO.

I don't believe it just came up with Crystal after ZIP NADA with Ron, not in a million years, but that is just me.

Not that I believe Misty, but I'm wondering when and if she came off the truth if she left the home at all or was in fact in the living room. Also, why is Joe Piscapo (sp?) claiming Misty passed the polygraph? :confused:

JMO

cat3

03-26-2009, 09:42 PM

Sorry if this has been posted. I did not see it.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19023072/detail.html

Thanks for the link.Unless the school took photos that show a different type of injury area,I would say that this does look like a natural progression of the intial injury.You can see the swelling by Haleigh's nose,and a faint greenish tinge around her eye.The next day the area around her eye is bruised and her face is swollen.Besides the fact that it would take a very diabolical person to see an injury and decide that it would be okay to inflict more injury,as long as it was in the same area as the first injury....nah.....it makes more sense that this injury happened at school.Shame on Crystal and her attorney if this is true.IMO

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 09:43 PM

Oh, I do NOT think it is odd that Teresa took Haleigh to the doctor. The part I find odd is that all the posts last week were that RON took her - & I have no idea why it was believed so strongly that he did so & not somebody else. Now I wonder how many other things Ron has mistakenly gotten credit for when the reality is that they were done for the kids by other folks.

I have no clue who Crystal's attorney may have been speaking to.

JMO

I noticed that too. Who really took Haleigh to the doctor - Teresa or Ron?

CANDYKISSES

03-26-2009, 09:44 PM

True but I'd think with the accusations Crystal admits she made to DCF taking pictures was probably a CYA thing.

Something tells me that Kim and Crystal are quite a pair between the false reporting of a felony by Crystal and Kim denying the fox35 quote, they're a great pair for the court room IMO. Ooops, did I forget that RON made her take drugs? :thumbdown:

Not so much ladies. JMO

4Kids

03-26-2009, 09:46 PM

I noticed that too. Who really took Haleigh to the doctor - Teresa or Ron?

Why? Did Ron insist he did? Am I less of a parent because my Mom helped? MOO

CANDYKISSES

03-26-2009, 09:46 PM

Nancy's talking with Kim P. and hasn't mentioned the dates yet. She's talking more about Misty and possibly not being home that night. Nancy's saying that Kim P. is relying on what her client tells her. :shrug:

I think Kim is coming up for a TKO from NG in the very near if something her and Crystal claim doesn't pan out. JMO. :thumbdown:

Good heavens, can't she do any better than this? :wink:

odyssey

03-26-2009, 09:48 PM

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 09:48 PM

bama__angel

03-26-2009, 09:49 PM

I don't think it really matters who took her. The school would have called home. If Ron was at work then it's logical that Theresa was on the pick up list and would have taken her....which imo is the most important thing.

I think we all know from seeing it over and over and over and over in here that Ron didnt go on the 4:00pm - 3:00 am shift until approx. 5 weeks before Haleigh was taken......He worked days before that...so IMO he probably had help getting his children to the medical appts.

CANDYKISSES

03-26-2009, 09:50 PM

I noticed that too. Who really took Haleigh to the doctor - Teresa or Ron?

What is the significance of that? Do you believe grandparents aren't supposed to help out when they live in the area? I am not of that mindset, but perhaps with all the doctor visits it could be confusing when you go from shift work to regular hours too. JMO

Now if you go back a few years after Crystal's one week stint in rehab and with her never touching drugs again....I think you will see that Crystal admitted Ron offered to take Junior to the cardiologist for the diagnosis and Crystal still didn't bother to bring him to Ron to go to the doctor and showed up in court admitting she had a choice IIRC from the transcript. JMO.:unsure:

beamer

03-26-2009, 09:50 PM

It was a good idea for Ron to get himself an attorney.

It is also my hope that Misty will obtain someone to help her. She is ONLY 17 years old. Today, she should be looking forward to spring break.............the prom...........and what she would do this summer.

Poor, poor baby........She needs a helping hand up............moo

I don't feel sorry for Misty this is the life she has choosen to live.
all jmo

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 09:51 PM

AH on NG now saying that the pictures provided by RC's atty. does look like it could have happened at school. Other guests saying it looks like a natural progression of an injury. NG also mentioned to someone on the show that the school confirmed it was an accident. NG made the statement to KP of Ron's place being rock & roll drug house was like the pot calling the kettle black. KP said CS went into rehab for a wk. after she left Ron, but was thrown out for no money to pay. Says CS hasn't been on drugs since. These things are not necessarily in the order that they were said on NG and are not direct quotes, just my feeble attempt to recap some of the things that were said. JMO

VII

03-26-2009, 09:51 PM

I think we all know from seeing it over and over and over and over in here that Ron didnt go on the 4:00pm - 3:00 am shift until approx. 5 weeks before Haleigh was taken......He worked days before that...so IMO he probably had help getting his children to the medical appts.

Question ....
Where did Ronald and the kids live prior to moving into the home he occupied w/Misty and the kids?

TIA

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sunstar

03-26-2009, 09:52 PM

I think Kim is coming up for a TKO from NG in the very near if something her and Crystal claim doesn't pan out. JMO. :thumbdown:

Good heavens, can't she do any better than this? :wink:

I thought that was going to happen tonight when Nancy asked her about her client's claims of Ron's sex & drug lifestyle and Nancy asked isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black! :laugh:

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 09:53 PM

Something tells me that Kim and Crystal are quite a pair between the false reporting of a felony by Crystal and Kim denying the fox35 quote, they're a great pair for the court room IMO. Ooops, did I forget that RON made her take drugs? :thumbdown:

Not so much ladies. JMO

I admire Crystal for going to rehab and being clean from drugs. I don't want to hate on anyone who has done that.

IMO, Kim could very well have been misquoted. She was in her car driving from Miami to Satsuma, while trying to accommodate a reporter.

IMO, I think we all agree that if others have reported claims of abuse to the children to Kim (and to Crystal since she has been in Satsuma), then they did the correct thing in reporting those claims to DCF and LE. Let's don't hate on them for doing so.

MOO

bama__angel

03-26-2009, 09:54 PM

I don't feel sorry for Misty this is the life she has choosen to live.
all jmo

I remember when I was 16....I didnt know anything about making choices and the long term consequences......I was blessed to have a mama and daddy who loved me, guided me and most importantly wanted me at home.......I dont think Misty had any of what I had.....JMO

odyssey

03-26-2009, 09:54 PM

Question ....
Where did Ronald and the kids live prior to moving into the home he occupied w/Misty and the kids?

TIA

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a two bedroom mobile home owned by the same landlords.

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 09:55 PM

I don't think it really matters who took her. The school would have called home. If Ron was at work then it's logical that Theresa was on the pick up list and would have taken her....which imo is the most important thing.

I think that the school called Ron or his mom and the school was told that someone would pick her up. Usually the school has a list of who to call in an emergency. IIRC they want more than one. JMO

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 09:55 PM

This is just my opinion, but I read the original victim's advocate's blog on myspace two days ago, before she pulled it. She had a long blog about her visit with a girl who is the mother of the rumored child of Ron's. She raved about what a wonderful girl this is and how she is an example for us all. She plans to contact People magazine to get this girl in the mag. I guess she didn't check the Putnam Co LE site before she held this girl up as the example she thought she was. So, I think there may be some money to be made by someone here and I'm not saying the advocate lady alone.

Again, I'm just guessing at who this person is...it may not be her at all.

OMG! I did not know this, teresa. How could someone claiming to be a victim's advocate, and blogging on a public forum, persumably having computer literacy, would at least take a peek at public records. Human stupidity can never be underestimated.

I do hate that this young woman, unrelated to the case as far as we know, has been dragged into the public eye and set up for ridicule. Regardless of her problems, she didn't deserve that unless she willingly exposed herself by interview to this meddler.

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 09:57 PM

I wondered why NG didn't correct Joe about the polygraph.

I have seen other guests on NG's show make statements and NG did not correct them. There have been reports that Misty said she passed. Sometimes these guests are not up to date. JMO

VII

03-26-2009, 09:58 PM

You're tested at the time of the accident. I doubt Ron had time to "beat" it.
Usually at the hospital it's a blood test and not urine. How would he "beat" that?
I'll say IMO as I wasn't there.

what accident :w00t:

:confused:
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beamer

03-26-2009, 09:58 PM

Congratulations..............I know that I always told my parents that I raised them..............They were 16 and 18 when I was born. They were married 60+ years until my mother passed away. I have 6 siblings. We all survived.

4Kids..........other posters do not know what any of us went through growing up or how we raised our children.

Anyway.............again..........Congratulations! on a job well done!

And this has what to do with Haleigh missing? Keep on topic please.

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 09:59 PM

If Crystal got clean in a week of rehab at the age of 19 and has been clean ever since, why did she have a "Mary Jane" party 11 months ago and publicly post the pics?

It's like having a keg party for an dried out alcoholic. :rolleyes:

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 10:00 PM

And this has what to do with Haleigh missing? Keep on topic please.

This is mean and unwarranted.

teresa

03-26-2009, 10:02 PM

Yeah, people can tamper with drug tests, Ron looks like he knows how to beat them, the tests that is.
jmo

LE drug tests for wrecks are much harder to beat...they use blood here. I don't know in RC's case, I'm just throwing that out there. I don't even know if it was an LE test so this may not apply here.

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 10:03 PM

odyssey

03-26-2009, 10:05 PM

"Pecazio also said numerous people have come forward to give sworn statements to the Department of Children and Families about Cummings' care of his children."

Quotation above from the article posted upthread.

Although Ron and his attorney's want to claim that child abuse allegations take away from finding Haliegh, there is another child that needs to be protected. Calling it "tawdry" is just a defense tactic, a desperate ploy to keep Ron's actions out of the spotlight and deflect attention, in my opinion.

For people to sign sworn documents attesting to Ron's "care of his children," is another step in building a case, with brave people coming forward in defense of defenseless children. Crystal and these people have probably been told that they will be looked at as neglectful by some. It takes courage to stand up against domestic violence and it's perpetrators. And when better to come forward but NOW? I imagine many people with consciences are hurting because they didn't come forward sooner.

"Brave" people would come forward when they saw it .. not one two or three years after the fact.

Also .. it says people have made sworn statements about how he treated his children .. it does not say what they said in the sworn statements .. could be good things for all we know ..

jmoo

bama__angel

03-26-2009, 10:08 PM

Ron has the appearance of a substance abuser, sorry. jmo He was busted with GHB once right?

To my eyes, he has the look of a man who probably isnt eating, sleeping....He has the look of a man who is heartbroken and grieving...JMO

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 10:08 PM

Are you serious??? When better to come forward? How about when they were supposedly seeing smal children abused? That's what makes these claims so unbelievable.

I'll have to check the transcripts but I didn't hear KP say anyone had given "sworn" statements or statements to anyone but "my people" meaning HER people., iow, Crystal's clan.

NG caught KP in 2 lies tonite and explained that she was probably taking her client's word.

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 10:10 PM

Good Evening (:

Just read the article and saw the photos from http://www.news4jax.com/slideshow/news/19023484/detail.html and agree dates can be changed but wondered why anyone who would have done this to a child would photograph the event?

So it might be just what it was ... school accident

But what does Crystal hope to gain in all this by falsely accusing unless she had reason to believe otherwise?

Especially under these dire circumstances?

She is aware the more they accuse, the more the public looks at Ron as a potential abuser who made his daughter disappear?

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 10:11 PM

"Brave" people would come forward when they saw it .. not one two or three years after the fact.

Also .. it says people have made sworn statements about how he treated his children .. it does not say what they said in the sworn statements .. could be good things for all we know ..

jmoo

I agree that people should report abuse when it happens. As far as it being good things, I doubt if KP would submit statements contrary to what she is alledging (sp?). JMO

odyssey

03-26-2009, 10:13 PM

I'll have to check the transcripts but I didn't hear KP say anyone had given "sworn" statements or statements to anyone but "my people" meaning HER people., iow, Crystal's clan.

NG caught KP in 2 lies tonite and explained that she was probably taking her client's word.

seeker was talking about a news article at http://www.news4jax.com/news/19023072/detail.html

it states "Pecazio also said numerous people have come forward to give sworn statements to the Department of Children and Families about Cummings' care of his children."

and I reiterate .. it says nothing about what those sworn statements say. The lawyers know they cannot be compelled to say what are in the statements, they have to do with minors and would be sealed from the public so they can imply whatever they wish. For all we really know numerous people have come forward to say how *well* he cared for his kids .. right *now* we just don't know.

jmoo

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 10:13 PM

Did KP hire "Cobra"? He has put out a story about that night. KP keeps saying people in Satsuma are telling her the story. Makes me wonder if all the Satsuma residents were stalking Misty! Were they all at the party or whatever it was that Misty was supposed to be doing? Why all of a sudden does everyone in a town know what another individual in a town is doing? JMO

I don't know who hired Cobra. I thought he said recently he was being paid by a person in Miami who wishes to remain anonymous.

As far as Misty possibly being at a party, I have heard that rumor from locals since the week after Haleigh disappeared.

I hope for all concerned that these are just that - rumors. My initial thoughts were that a SO or RSO took Haleigh. I'm sure LE has checked out all the rumors. IMO

Hope Haleigh is found safe and sound right away.

sunstar

03-26-2009, 10:14 PM

Ron has the appearance of a substance abuser, sorry. jmo He was busted with GHB once right?

Not as much in my opinion as Misty and Crystal, who in the beginning of this case, appeared as if they didn't understand a simple question and couldn't put together a coherant sentence for an answer. MOO

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 10:15 PM

Ok ........ What did everyone think about the pictures Ronald sent to NG timestamped? and Art Harris now talking about medical records and all that stuffies?

IIRC the pictures that CS provided to AH did not have a time stamp. Something about the person that took them didn't like it on the pictures. AH might be thinking he was had, but he did have a copy of the school accident report posted with the picture that was given/sold to him by CS. I don't think I ever remember him changing his stance on the things he reported on ANS. JMO

odyssey

03-26-2009, 10:16 PM

I agree that people should report abuse when it happens. As far as it being good things, I doubt if KP would submit statements contrary to what she is alledging (sp?). JMO

she did not submit the statements .. people came forward on their own, apparently after Crystal began accusing him of abuse, to DCF. That sounds to me more like defense and not offense but we won't know unless/until something happens in the dcf investigation.

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 10:17 PM

I agree that people should report abuse when it happens. As far as it being good things, I doubt if KP would submit statements contrary to what she is alledging (sp?). JMO

You would have thought a lawyer would not have submitted that 1 photo alleging abuse on national TV knowing not only school officials but hospital personnel could refute it. But she did.

I've never seen a claim so badly impeached on TV as Ron did that photo tonite.

CC I See

03-26-2009, 10:17 PM

I don't feel sorry for Misty this is the life she has choosen to live. all jmo

Everyone makes choices whether to stay in school, do drugs, get married, have children.... or not.

Misty chose her life, she has a family that obvious loves her and would have supported her in whatever she wanted for her future.
Getting married to Ron is what she has chosen and if that doesn't make her happy, that is what she wanted to do.

She said in one of her earliest interviews that she had thought about getting her GED but wasn't that interested in it right now in her life. As I have stated often, it's all about priorities.

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 10:18 PM

cat3

03-26-2009, 10:19 PM

Ok ........ What did everyone think about the pictures Ronald sent to NG timestamped? and Art Harris now talking about medical records and all that stuffies?

I posted what I thought earlier.I'm not watching NG but assume they are the same pics that were posted by the news site by Ron's attorney.
To me it looks as though Haleigh's bruises and facial swelling were the result of the accident at school.As I said earlier it would be diabolical and I will add sadistic for Ron to hit Haleigh in the same area already injured.To me that scenerio makes no sense,unless you would want to believe the worst of Ron as a person and as a father.
I don't think anyone here minds an investigation into the care of Jr. and Haleigh,but at least be honest about your claims of abuse.IMO

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 10:23 PM

Bolding mine

I think that is her agenda. Some people think the worse they can make someone else look, the better it will make them look. JMO

Has she ever came right out and stated she thinks Ron and/or Misty is involved with Haleigh's disappearance?

Or is this purely to get custody of Jr?

odyssey

03-26-2009, 10:24 PM

Everyone makes choices whether to stay in school, do drugs, get married, have children.... or not.

Misty chose her life, she has a family that obvious loves her and would have supported her in whatever she wanted for her future.
Getting married to Ron is what she has chosen and if that doesn't make her happy, that is what she wanted to do.

She said in one of her earliest interviews that she had thought about getting her GED but wasn't that interested in it right now in her life. As I have stated often, it's all about priorities.

Misty had something extremely traumatic happen to her when she was 13 that i am positive has affected her these last four years ..

jmoo

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 10:25 PM

I remember when I was 16....I didnt know anything about making choices and the long term consequences......I was blessed to have a mama and daddy who loved me, guided me and most importantly wanted me at home.......I dont think Misty had any of what I had.....JMO

Misty does not seem to have any proper parental guidance and that is very sad

MOO

teresa

03-26-2009, 10:26 PM

OMG! I did not know this, teresa. How could someone claiming to be a victim's advocate, and blogging on a public forum, persumably having computer literacy, would at least take a peek at public records. Human stupidity can never be underestimated.

I do hate that this young woman, unrelated to the case as far as we know, has been dragged into the public eye and set up for ridicule. Regardless of her problems, she didn't deserve that unless she willingly exposed herself by interview to this meddler.

The advocate lady (I have a major headache and can't remember her name) was there for hours according to her blog. I swear to you on my mother's life that I did not misquote her. I don't know why she took her myspace down but it was right after Crystal outed this girl so she may not have known the whole story. And like I said, this girl may not be who Kim P is referring to. I'll check and see if anyone saved that blog because a lot of posters (not here) were raving about what a wonderful blog and person this girl is. She may be, but like the rest of the people in this sad case, she has made mistakes.

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 10:27 PM

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 10:27 PM

Can we hate them for waiting to do it now and not when it alledgely happened? :wink:

I think some of them did report it at the time from what I have read. Of course, I don't know the percentage of those with the sworn statements submitted at this time had previously made reports.

MOO

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 10:28 PM

Misty had something extremely traumatic happen to her when she was 13 that i am positive has affected her these last four years ..

jmoo

And her molestation is the absolute reason her parents needed to step up to the plate and guide her and help her heal so she could be a productive adult and parent in the future

I do not agree on how her lifestyle ended up but I suppose that is my way of thinking but I cannot cast stones at another without knowing the entire story ... which we have not been told

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 10:30 PM

Has she ever came right out and stated she thinks Ron and/or Misty is involved with Haleigh's disappearance?

Or is this purely to get custody of Jr?

I don't know if CS has actually stated this, but her atty. is hinting that because of abuse Haleigh is missing. I'm not sure how much of this is CS's idea or if it is the atty. and CS's mother idea. I do think CS is enjoying having someone pay attention to her. Where is CS's other daughter? Is she staying at Haleighbug headquarters? Could that be considered a form of abuse? JMO

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 10:32 PM

Has she ever came right out and stated she thinks Ron and/or Misty is involved with Haleigh's disappearance?

Or is this purely to get custody of Jr?

I read the following today in the following link:

WEDNESDAY, FEB. 11

Search resumes at sunrise. Massive ground effort scaled back and authorities focus on fewer areas. Criminal investigation intensifies.

Maternal relatives of Haleigh meet with reporters at 10 a.m. to express doubts about the account they�ve been told about how Haleigh disappeared.

http://palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/26/news/news01.txt

Also, the last thing I heard Crystal or Kim state is that Crystal has not filed for custody. I think everyone just wants to get to the bottom of the abuse claims. IMO, it would be remiss of both if they did not pursue this again.

Also IMO, I'm sure everyone is hoping the inquiries show that no abuse occurred. MOO

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 10:32 PM

Misty does not seem to have any proper parental guidance and that is very sad

MOO
TCH--this has been my feeling all along. No parenting, too young to have learned from her own mistakes.

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 10:35 PM

wow what have i missed :( was Misty molested?

Some guy is apparently serving time for molesting her.

cat3

03-26-2009, 10:35 PM

Oh i'm sorry I didn't see your post earlier. I went and watered the garden.

ITA agree with your thoughts.I really hope they investigate things to its fullest and IF Ronald is cleared i think they need to investigate why would Crystal make such wild claims.

That's okay Fallen Angel.I guess I'm still stewing by what I think are false claims by Crystal's attorney and Crystal.If they are claiming abuse on those pics alone they better try digging deeper.I'm waiting to see who all these people are that have proof that Ron was abusive towards the children.IMO

odyssey

03-26-2009, 10:36 PM

wow what have i missed :( was Misty molested?

Misty was held against her will and had very traumatic things happen to her when she was 13 .. the boy who did it was a few years older but still a minor. he was tried as an adult and got either six or eight years for what he did to her.

jmoo

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 10:37 PM

What I mean by that is, the past is over, so there is only NOW or NEVER. Please read my last sentence. Of course it would have been best that these children, and all children, were protected and watched over when abuse was first suspected. Based on the fact that FDCF was already involved with Ron, people have spoken up over the years.

Only now, with Crystal having a strong woman to help her, are steps being taken to get to the truth. (It is so unnatural to see and hear parts of it taking place on a TV show).

I am not trying to be rude but please, can someone here tell me why so many of you believe that claims of abuse are unfounded, untrue?

WHY would you think that people make false reports and use the pain of domestic violence as a game in custody cases for children? I suppose some might make false reports to hurt their partner, but I can't wrap my head around the idea that it is common practice to accuse people of child abuse. Am I just naive?

Since you asked I will say that you are naive about this issue. That is the saddest thing about divorce/custody issues. Parents use the children against each other all the time.

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 10:38 PM

wow what have i missed :( was Misty molested?

Yes, once by a Jeremy Miller (incarcerated) and allegedly by Joe Overstreet (unconfirmed)

sunstar

03-26-2009, 10:40 PM

Well, it appears to me Ron picks kind of a slower person to be with, I saw Ron nodding off on camera, so, it goes both ways. At least Crystal looks healthy and has some weight on her, unlike Ron and Misty, Misty does not look healthy at all. She has a sunken in face, consistent with drug abusers.

jmo

I will say Crystal looks much better now than when Haleigh first went missing, but I do agree about Misty, and it was even rumored that she'd been on a three day binge right before Haleigh went missing. It is really sad to me, because even if that part is true and she wasn't with somebody the night Haleigh disappeared, she might have just been passed out and left the door unlocked. :sad: MOO

Rushbo

03-26-2009, 10:43 PM

Yes, once by a Jeremy Miller (incarcerated) and allegedly by Joe Overstreet (unconfirmed)

I didn't ever understand what she was talking about by saying Joe Overstreet "messed" with her. Don't know if that means they were 5 years old and comparing plumbing or what. As far as I have been able to determine, there are no sexual charges against Joe.

Lynn Gweeny

03-26-2009, 10:44 PM

I don't know who hired Cobra. I thought he said recently he was being paid by a person in Miami who wishes to remain anonymous.

As far as Misty possibly being at a party, I have heard that rumor from locals since the week after Haleigh disappeared.

I hope for all concerned that these are just that - rumors. My initial thoughts were that a SO or RSO took Haleigh. I'm sure LE has checked out all the rumors. IMO

Hope Haleigh is found safe and sound right away.

Picazio is also bringing in a crack private investigator, William Staubs, 52, a gravel-voiced tough guy who weighs 250 pounds and goes by the nickname Cobra. He’ll be hunting witnesses, says Picazio, “who may not want to tell everything to a police officer, but may tell me things that could lead to finding Haleigh through a private effort.”

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/11/haleigh-mom-wants-custody/

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 10:44 PM

Crystal was caught falsely accusing someone of stealing her car so she has a history of accusing people of doing things they didn't do. Add that to the fact that she has no proof of abuse and investigations by LE and DCF that ended with the children still in the home and DCF saying it was natural discipline and it leads me to believe she made false abuse claims. Oh and then there is the matter of her changing stories. In one interview (NG) she never witnessed any abuse to the children by Ron then a day or so later (GR) she changed it to she saw him abuse the kids.

Just for the sake of thoroughness, she also changed the witnesses. First claiming 2 people saw Ron backhand Hayleigh (to Geraldo) then changing who these witnesses were. That was my first indication that something was amiss.

teresa

03-26-2009, 10:45 PM

I don't know who hired Cobra. I thought he said recently he was being paid by a person in Miami who wishes to remain anonymous.

As far as Misty possibly being at a party, I have heard that rumor from locals since the week after Haleigh disappeared.

I hope for all concerned that these are just that - rumors. My initial thoughts were that a SO or RSO took Haleigh. I'm sure LE has checked out all the rumors. IMO

Hope Haleigh is found safe and sound right away.

KIM PICAZIO, ATTORNEY FOR CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, HALEIGH`S MOTHER: Well, at this point, Nancy, we`re focusing more on our quest to find Haleigh and we`re working tirelessly every single day with fielding tips.

GRACE: What are you doing?

PICAZIO: What we`re doing is we have investigators. I have a staff in the field in Satsuma. People will come to the Haleigh bug center there in Satsuma and give us tips. A lot of people are saying that they do not feel comfortable going to the police, so we`re sending our people out.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/23/ng.01.html

Along with their personal connecton going back years, I'd bet on who hired him.

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 10:46 PM

I didn't ever understand what she was talking about by saying Joe Overstreet "messed" with her. Don't know if that means they were 5 years old and comparing plumbing or what. As far as I have been able to determine, there are no sexual charges against Joe.

I do not quite understand that either ... they are only like a year and a half apart in age

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 10:50 PM

Crystal was caught falsely accusing someone of stealing her car so she has a history of accusing people of doing things they didn't do. Add that to the fact that she has no proof of abuse and investigations by LE and DCF that ended with the children still in the home and DCF saying it was natural discipline and it leads me to believe she made false abuse claims. Oh and then there is the matter of her changing stories. In one interview (NG) she never witnessed any abuse to the children by Ron then a day or so later (GR) she changed it to she saw him abuse the kids.

I have not heard about the car incident?

But I do recall something about Haleigh, a near drowning, then said Crystal falsely accused that situation but it was in a very early report that Haleigh had indeed fallen in a creek and to be revived and resuscitated

So all the allegations tossed around, denied, insisted etc... I am so lost on who to believe in the bunch of them

I just wish LE would speak

(sigh)

teresa

03-26-2009, 10:51 PM

You would have thought a lawyer would not have submitted that 1 photo alleging abuse on national TV knowing not only school officials but hospital personnel could refute it. But she did.

I've never seen a claim so badly impeached on TV as Ron did that photo tonite.

I've seen one worse - Crystal on NG "I have never seen Ron abuse the kids, he had nothing to do with them". She said this twice after Nancy asked her again I believe. A few days later on GR "Yes, I personally saw him abuse the kids".

Both times, she was with her lawyer.

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 10:51 PM

TCH--this has been my feeling all along. No parenting, too young to have learned from her own mistakes.

Hopefully it is not too late for her

Pat

03-26-2009, 10:57 PM

KIM PICAZIO, ATTORNEY FOR CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, HALEIGH`S MOTHER: Well, at this point, Nancy, we`re focusing more on our quest to find Haleigh and we`re working tirelessly every single day with fielding tips.

GRACE: What are you doing?

PICAZIO: What we`re doing is we have investigators. I have a staff in the field in Satsuma. People will come to the Haleigh bug center there in Satsuma and give us tips. A lot of people are saying that they do not feel comfortable going to the police, so we`re sending our people out.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/23/ng.01.html

Along with their personal connecton going back years, I'd bet on who hired him.

Given the amount of salacious rumor and gossip I've seen spread around on this site alone, I'll just bet you've got a "lot" of people who don't feel comfortable repeating it to the police.

I'm waiting for Picazio to give us actual numbers of these so called "lots" of people who have reported this alleged abuse or given tips. Next I would want to know...what are their connections to the Sheffields?

I think Picazio is going to rue the day she marched into town to "save" Crystal.

CC I See

03-26-2009, 10:57 PM

Misty was held against her will and had very traumatic things happen to her when she was 13 .. the boy who did it was a few years older but still a minor. he was tried as an adult and got either six or eight years for what he did to her. jmoo That could have left her deeply scarred and emotionally unbalanced without therapy. I see her as very troubled because of it.

teresa

03-26-2009, 10:58 PM

Everyone makes choices whether to stay in school, do drugs, get married, have children.... or not.

Misty chose her life, she has a family that obvious loves her and would have supported her in whatever she wanted for her future.
Getting married to Ron is what she has chosen and if that doesn't make her happy, that is what she wanted to do.

She said in one of her earliest interviews that she had thought about getting her GED but wasn't that interested in it right now in her life. As I have stated often, it's all about priorities.

Supportive family? Too late for that. Have you actually read about her past? They kicked her out of the house! Whatever she did or didn't do regarding Haleigh, this girl had no decent support system.

IlliniFan

03-26-2009, 11:00 PM

CC I See

03-26-2009, 11:01 PM

Given the amount of salacious rumor and gossip I've seen spread around on this site alone, I'll just bet you've got a "lot" of people who don't feel comfortable repeating it to the police.

I'm waiting for Picazio to give us actual numbers of these so called "lots" of people who have reported this alleged abuse or given tips. Next I would want to know...what are their connections to the Sheffields?

I think Picazio is going to rue the day she marched into town to "save" Crystal.

... or maybe not. She just might succeed in solving this case and boosting the moral of other women in similar circumstances sending them hope that they can fight for their children when all appears lost. I applaud her effort.

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 11:05 PM

The car accident is in the custody hearing transcript. A week or so before the hearing Ron was in an accident with the kids. Crystal told the judge that someone told her he was on drugs at the time. He had some type of paperwork showing he'd been drug tested and the results were negative. IIRC the drug testing was done by DCF the day after the accident.

The near drowning is another of Crystals claims. According to her she found Haleigh floating lifeless in the water, Ron had to resuscitate Haleigh and 911 wasn't called. The 2 issues I have with her claim is that she was there but blames it entirely on Ron and after finding what she claims was her lifeless child floating facedown in a lake or whatever body of water it was no one called 911. That, to me, is completely non believable.

Every report about the near drowning has come from Crystal. There was no documentation to back it up since 911 wasn't called.

No way this happened, bookie. She almost certainly would have had aspiration pneumonia if she sucked down enough river water to lose consciousness. That's even with a normal immune system, and hers is compromised.

odyssey

03-26-2009, 11:06 PM

O/T

The reader comments on the Haleigh bug site are on the right side of the page. The comments are turning into a mess. I wish people would post their opinions on boards like these instead of Haleigh's site.

I'm not a fan of any of these characters, but I don't think Haleighbug is the place to argue about the abuse issues...imo...

Bring this angel home..

Oh please tell me that is not happening .. whether or not *At This Time* i am certain there has been abuse or not, the comments section next to her precious face is not the place or the forum in which to debate it.

jmoo

Politigal

03-26-2009, 11:07 PM

I've now been communicating with Joe's sister in Tennessee on myspace.

Her version of the gun incident is very different, and I assume she got her info from her brother Joe.

She said that Ronald & family were all outside drinking one night and that Ronald started shooting at a mirror with his gun. Later he fell asleep/passed out...and Misty took the gun and put it in the ditch. Later Ronald woke up and wanted to know where his gun was and he accused Joe of stealing it...Misty went and got it out of the ditch and said "I found it" and that was that.

Maybe that's why Ronald said there was no fight....??

odyssey

03-26-2009, 11:11 PM

Politigal

03-26-2009, 11:14 PM

Thank you Politigal .. appreciate it.

Have you happened to get back in touch with Chelsea with the other questions ppl had thw other night? i still would like to know for sure how joe got home and when he left.

thanks!

I emailed her with the questions but she never responded back on them...I know the latest news said that attorney's have asked Ronald & Misty not to communicate with the media any more...maybe they've also asked other family members to keep quiet as well.

IlliniFan

03-26-2009, 11:14 PM

Oh please tell me that is not happening .. whether or not *At This Time* i am certain there has been abuse or not, the comments section next to her precious face is not the place or the forum in which to debate it.

jmoo

I know, I'm not sure either. I just don't think it's appropriate. Nasty messages about Crystal, Ron and Misty. I hope they take the comments down..imo

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 11:14 PM

Not to mention the chances of brain damage from lack of oxygen. My guess is if anything remotely like that happened she exaggerrated it 100%. I'd bet Haleigh fell in, Ron jumped in right behind her and Crystal made it into this big near drowning issue to make him look bad.

And it's a little hard to envision Crystal as someone cool-headed, methodical and competent in CPR in an emergency. Strains the imagination.

Pat

03-26-2009, 11:18 PM

... or maybe not. She just might succeed in solving this case and boosting the moral of other women in similar circumstances sending them hope that they can fight for their children when all appears lost. I applaud her effort.

She isn't going to "solve" this case. She's already compromised her integrity by going on national television and suggesting the date on the pictures of Haleigh's injuries have been tampered with because it refutes her claims of abuse.

The school has verified the injuries are the result of an accident on their property. Haleigh received medical attention and no doctor came forward and claimed those injuries were the result of abuse.

She took her client's word, ran to Geraldo and Nancy Grace and she's now backed into a corner and accused Ron's attorneys of participating in a possible attempt to tamper with evidence of abuse. She has participated in the spreading of gossip, lies and rumor.

I, for one, don't applaud her effort to use Haleigh's disappearance to further her own career.

teresa

03-26-2009, 11:24 PM

I have not heard about the car incident?

But I do recall something about Haleigh, a near drowning, then said Crystal falsely accused that situation but it was in a very early report that Haleigh had indeed fallen in a creek and to be revived and resuscitated

So all the allegations tossed around, denied, insisted etc... I am so lost on who to believe in the bunch of them

I just wish LE would speak

(sigh)

Tara, Crystal was charged by LE with filing a false police report when she reported that someone stole her car. LE later decided not to prosecute (seems to be a trend down there) but Nancy Grace has the full report and Crystal admitted to LE that she lied.

odyssey

03-26-2009, 11:25 PM

http://wokv.com/localnews/2009/03/no-searches-planned-for-haleig.html

bkwits

03-26-2009, 11:27 PM

and that `requirement`/request/order ended when the custody issue was decided.

He may have had to submit to drug screen prior to his employment where he works, or DID work ....
but
most plants around here require that THEN they don't do it again until the employee does something high risk or gets injured on the job.

Where there is a will, there is a way.
The system, such that it is, is certainly not infallible.

7

As I understand it, drugs CAN stay in your system for months. If one is a drug user, he or she never knows if previous drug use will show up.

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 11:32 PM

I keep thinking of how horrifically painful it must have been to have to dig up, print and e-mail those photos of an injured Hayleigh, a smiling Hayleigh. It took Ron two weeks to do it. He must have been hoping he would not have to do it.

Part of my compassion for Hayleigh's parents is based on all the photos of Ron and her. He's always right down on her level, mugging for the camera. Down on the floor opening Christmas presents, up-close brushing teeth, holding her hand at the bus stop, it breaks my heart. Why are there not pics of Hayleigh with her mom doing everything things??:confused:

teresa

03-26-2009, 11:38 PM

I know, I'm not sure either. I just don't think it's appropriate. Nasty messages about Crystal, Ron and Misty. I hope they take the comments down..imo

I couldn't get past the 6 or 7 Bratlings posted blaming some of our posters here by name.

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 11:40 PM

Im sure there are...why would Ron have those photos? Have you not seen the pix at Haleighbug.com?

I visited when it opened and there were no pics, just asking for donations. It came down the next day. Just found out it was back up. I will check it out.

Ice Cycle

03-26-2009, 11:43 PM

?noanswer

03-26-2009, 11:47 PM

I visited when it opened and there were no pics, just asking for donations. It came down the next day. Just found out it was back up. I will check it out.

I don't think it will stay up very long this time unless they remove the comment section. People should not be doing those comments. If they don't like that side of the family, they should just stay away and keep their comments to themselves. Sometimes I think there are people who make a hobby of going to web sites and making nasty comments. Lots of sites monitor comments and won't post the nasty ones. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 11:48 PM

The car accident is in the custody hearing transcript. A week or so before the hearing Ron was in an accident with the kids. Crystal told the judge that someone told her he was on drugs at the time. He had some type of paperwork showing he'd been drug tested and the results were negative. IIRC the drug testing was done by DCF the day after the accident.

The near drowning is another of Crystals claims. According to her she found Haleigh floating lifeless in the water, Ron had to resuscitate Haleigh and 911 wasn't called. The 2 issues I have with her claim is that she was there but blames it entirely on Ron and after finding what she claims was her lifeless child floating facedown in a lake or whatever body of water it was no one called 911. That, to me, is completely non believable.

Every report about the near drowning has come from Crystal. There was no documentation to back it up since 911 wasn't called.

I read about it in a Feb 11th interview with Nancy Grace ... and it was not denied by either family at that time (Can't recall who brought it up or why)

I agree not to call 911 is neglectful ... especially since we have no idea who was trained in CPR and an untrained person performing CPR could do more harm than good

But again ... it was not denied at that time... so who knows

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 11:49 PM

Got a link to Hayleighbug?? google won't bring it up and I can't find it in links.

doctor_J

03-26-2009, 11:53 PM

No Y in her name, that's probably why it isn't coming up. Type in haleighbug.com

How embarrassing! It's been one of those days. :rolleyes:

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 11:53 PM

teresa

03-26-2009, 11:53 PM

Got a link to Hayleighbug?? google won't bring it up and I can't find it in links.

haleighbug.com I thought? The comments are truly vile. I hope they take them down soon. I can't believe they aren't monitoring them. It's really disgusting.

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 11:55 PM

Got a link to Hayleighbug?? google won't bring it up and I can't find it in links.

Don't read the comments

Very cruel under the circumstances and considering what the site is supposed to represent

http://haleighbug.com/

tinkerbell

03-26-2009, 11:55 PM

I don't think it will stay up very long this time unless they remove the comment section. People should not be doing those comments. If they don't like that side of the family, they should just stay away and keep their comments to themselves. Sometimes I think there are people who make a hobby of going to web sites and making nasty comments. Lots of sites monitor comments and won't post the nasty ones. JMO

OMG! I just went to the site and read a few of the comments; unbelievable. A monitor is definitely needed, ASAP!

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 11:57 PM

I'm not 100% sure but I thought Ron denied the near drowning claim.

Not at the time

Nobody objected

(shrug)

Then it was all love at first -- the mean seemed to come out later

MOO

odyssey

03-26-2009, 11:57 PM

How embarrassing! It's been one of those days. :rolleyes:

I tried to call the Haleighbug center to warn them about the vile comments being left there but kept getting voicemail?
I am not going to call the sheriff's department because of reader comments but i dont get why no one is answering the phone .. what if someone was calling in an important tip?

jmoo

teresa

03-26-2009, 11:57 PM

OMG! I just went to the site and read a few of the comments; unbelievable. A monitor is definitely needed, ASAP!

I agree and I hope that someone will make sure Crystal doesn't see them before they are removed.

TaraCrazyHair

03-26-2009, 11:59 PM

OMG! I just went to the site and read a few of the comments; unbelievable. A monitor is definitely needed, ASAP!

Yeah ... I agree

Question -- why does that site still say "may have been wearing a pink shirt?"

bkwits

03-27-2009, 12:02 AM

VII

03-27-2009, 12:02 AM

As I understand it, drugs CAN stay in your system for months. If one is a drug user, he or she never knows if previous drug use will show up.

More are using hair drug tests, can get dating.
Blood is accurate
UA's can be tampered with.
Marijuana can be detected via urine sample up to thirty days.
Meth or Cocaine, up to 72 hrs via urine.
You can go to any health food or supplement store and get urine cleaning stuff and pass ....

7

odyssey

03-27-2009, 12:03 AM

They sure are vile because someone is repeatedly posting comments about my "6" kids. Only ones who know that are posters from THIS VERY SITE, but morons its not 6 its 7!!! Jackasses.

I'm sorry but I don't know what you are talking about. I am talking about the comments I saw on haleighbug.com .. the ones i saw did not mention anything about someone with six or seven kids.

tinkerbell

03-27-2009, 12:03 AM

Yeah ... I agree

Question -- why does that site still say "may have been wearing a pink shirt?"

I don't know Tara, perhaps the use of the word "may" leaves room for something else? Maybe Haleigh had more than one pink shirt?

I feel sure that someone needs to be monitoring that site!

Moo

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:03 AM

I can't believe what is happening re web sites and message boards regarding Haleigh. Have people completly lost their minds? There is a very precious 5 year old girl missing. If one is not interested in trying to help find her, then why not just be quite. Don't try to start a war. People that are doing that are no better than the person that is responsible for her disappearance. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:04 AM

I think it is uncanny how much Misty and Crystal look alike. I sometimes have a hard time telling them apart on TV.

I have mentioned that before as well

They could be sisters as much as they resemble each other

(As for some of the comments on that page, I wonder if the families are infighting on that page?)

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 12:08 AM

odyssey

03-27-2009, 12:10 AM

I have 7 beautiful children and how dare you, use a missing childs site as your springboard for nastiness. You scum of the earth, piece of crap low life that you are! You know who you are, and someday you will answer to God for that! Desecrating amissing childs site is just WRONG! Thats the type of scum who posts here! Enjoy it if you all stay you deserve the evil that lurks here!!!

According to the people posting there they are bratlings and samantha from the haleighshope web site. not this site. i am sorry they are treating you that way if indeed they are even talking about you?

teresa

03-27-2009, 12:10 AM

:scared:I tried to visit the Haleighbug site twice. Both times my screen froze, cursor kept spinning and I couldn't scroll to read comments. Then had to restart computer because I couldn't close. Somethings very wrong with the site right now.

maybe they are taking it down to get that trash off? I wouldn't think you'd have to do that to remove them, but I don't know.

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 12:11 AM

Help! I've been blinded! :scared::scared:

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:11 AM

I think we are seeing who is behind it

Now if CW would only see it as well

(sigh)

cat3

03-27-2009, 12:11 AM

:scared:I tried to visit the Haleighbug site twice. Both times my screen froze, cursor kept spinning and I couldn't scroll to read comments. Then had to restart computer because I couldn't close. Somethings very wrong with the site right now.

I just came back from there and it looks like someone finally went around the bend.....yep.Such a shame to use a missing child site for a personal vendetta.IMO

teresa

03-27-2009, 12:11 AM

According to the people posting there they are bratlings and samantha from the haleighshope web site. not this site. i am sorry they are treating you that way if indeed they are even talking about you?

That IS Bratlings odyssey. Didn't you see SillyMe's earlier post? Their goal is to shut this one down.

tinkerbell

03-27-2009, 12:11 AM

:scared:I tried to visit the Haleighbug site twice. Both times my screen froze, cursor kept spinning and I couldn't scroll to read comments. Then had to restart computer because I couldn't close. Somethings very wrong with the site right now.

The reader comment section is filled with hateful messages; using ID's from those on this board, Crystal's attorney and others... It is awful! I think someone is "stealing" ID's and posting very horrible messages.

Hopefully, the web admin at that site can be contacted ASAP so this will stop!

moo

odyssey

03-27-2009, 12:12 AM

That IS Bratlings odyssey. Didn't you see SillyMe's earlier post? Their goal is to shut this one down.

Sorry i'm the silly one always trying to be helpful lol

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:13 AM

According to the people posting there they are bratlings and samantha from the haleighshope web site. not this site. i am sorry they are treating you that way if indeed they are even talking about you?

They are one in the same

Agenda appears to shut this this down here because of banning

Very immature and so predictable

cat3

03-27-2009, 12:14 AM

Help! I've been blinded! :scared::scared:

lol........IMO

teresa

03-27-2009, 12:17 AM

They are one in the same

Agenda appears to shut this this down here because of banning

Very immature and so predictable

She's not alone Tara. There's a whole group of them. If CW shuts the board, I'll see you guys whenever and I pray that Haleigh is found alive in the meantime and that her families can make peace with each other.

odyssey

03-27-2009, 12:17 AM

Do tiplines usually go to voicemail?

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 12:20 AM

Prayers for Haleigh and all those who knew and loved her. Prayers for all the misguided people interested in her case for less than admirable reasons. Prayers for myself if I have at any time been unconscionably voyeuristic.

KKKKKKatie

03-27-2009, 12:20 AM

Good grief....there must be a full moon. Been crazy on the Caylee thread also. :rolleyes:

I have no idea who is talking about whom lol so why don't we get back to Haleigh and not posters IMO

odyssey

03-27-2009, 12:20 AM

I never said anything about anyone...I posted on Haleighbug and I only attacked those who attacked crystal for no reason, I think the things that we posted on the sight are ridiculous and disgusting.

they are horrible yes but one of them i went over there and read after sillyme was here said "this is not bratlings this is samantha administrator of haleighshope website" it said something about satan .. i dont know .. so if you did not do it someone on your site did. perhaps the one who is spamming over there.jmoo

Pat

03-27-2009, 12:21 AM

I reported the spammer and noted the intention is to get this board closed. Hope it helps.

I've never seen anything like this before. :scared:

Elle

03-27-2009, 12:21 AM

Haleigh:rose:

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:21 AM

Please let Haleigh be found. She or no other child deserves to be taken from the ones who love them. JMO

teresa

03-27-2009, 12:25 AM

as far as I have seen no one has been talking bad about you over "you know where" you are more then welcome to post there teresa. I am not objecting to anyone posting there....if people dont like that you are there then they can leave. the minute I see someone attacking anyone then it will be taken care of...but there is a thin line between opinion/attacking. Im not going to ban anyone for their opinion.

Well it was their opinion, but it is their opinion about ME. Please just tell them to leave us alone.

Pat

03-27-2009, 12:26 AM

where was someone spamming? if you are talking about me PMing people about Haleighshope then thats just lame....because I made that site when the Haleigh board was shut down here....and it seems like HH is way more popular then IS as there is no favorite game.:tonguewag:

I have no idea who you are or what you are talking about. I have no idea what HH is. Nor do I care.

I'm talking about the poster "Silly Me" who is spamming THIS board.

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:28 AM

Maybe a stupid question, but do we know if Crystal really set up that site?

I cannot keep up with the daily media like most of you and I come here to catch up

Elle

03-27-2009, 12:28 AM

This is really sad.

Haleigh:rose:

ttcRider

03-27-2009, 12:30 AM

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:31 AM

SillyMe/Brat will get a lot more attention if she was not shouting in such large bold letters

Please tone it it down?

TIA

(:

bkwits

03-27-2009, 12:32 AM

Not to mention the chances of brain damage from lack of oxygen. My guess is if anything remotely like that happened she exaggerrated it 100%. I'd bet Haleigh fell in, Ron jumped in right behind her and Crystal made it into this big near drowning issue to make him look bad.

Or maybe nothing at all like that happened. When I first read that story of Haleigh's near-drowning, I started to question everything that Crystal says. I will not believe anything she says unless there is corroboration or proof. Lets just get back gto finding Haliegh.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:33 AM

RE: The Haleighbug Center. If CS is staying there, who else will be helping man the site for 24/7. Surely CS will need to sleep. If her baby is there with her, the baby will need some quiet time. JMO

odyssey

03-27-2009, 12:33 AM

G'night y'all .. have to rest my back for awhile.
I pray that next time I come here there will be some good news for Haleigh.

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:33 AM

Cloe? Is that you? :scared:

I don't think so -- Chloe was really unbalanced

Brat is just po'ed

But needs to simmer down!!

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:34 AM

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 12:34 AM

"I know a lot of people that want to help and don't know how," Jeremiah Regan, a friend of the Sheffields, said. "The building will be open 24 hours a day with an open-door policy, even if people just want to stop by and give their blessings for the family."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/17/news/news01.txt

http://www.whois.net/whois/Haleighbug.com
Registrant:
Jeremiah Regan

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: HALEIGHBUG.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS51.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS52.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

For complete domain details go to:
http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=HALEIGHBUG.COM

teresa

03-27-2009, 12:35 AM

G'night y'all .. have to rest my back for awhile.
I pray that next time I come here there will be some good news for Haleigh.

Nite odyssey. I pray the same.

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 12:36 AM

I've never seen adults act this way. And I'm not a spring chicken.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:37 AM

http://www.whois.net/whois/Haleighbug.com
Registrant:
Jeremiah Regan

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: HALEIGHBUG.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS51.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS52.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

For complete domain details go to:
http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=HALEIGHBUG.COM

It says the website is courtesy of ibi designs out of Boca Raton, Florida. The first site was done by some man from NY. I can't remember his name. JMO

KKKKKKatie

03-27-2009, 12:38 AM

I've never seen adults act this way. And I'm not a spring chicken.

It happens from time to time doc......you just gotta do your best to ignore it :smile:

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:38 AM

Or maybe nothing at all like that happened. When I first read that story of Haleigh's near-drowning, I started to question everything that Crystal says. I will not believe anything she says unless there is corroboration or proof. Lets just get back gto finding Haliegh.

I suppose if somebody denied the incident on Feb 11th or even Feb 12th, I would say it was up for another falsehood

But they didn't ... so I am guessing there is truth behind it

And in a weird way -- I think all the accusations and denials between the families is what LE is using to find out what happened to this little girl

Sadly -- the outcome is not good unless we (hopefully??) have shades of Gone Baby Gone happening here?

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 12:39 AM

I don't think so -- Chloe was really unbalanced

Brat is just po'ed

But needs to simmer down!!

That's much more pathologic than "needs to simmer down".

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:40 AM

I've never seen adults act this way. And I'm not a spring chicken.

Something similar happened during the ANS saga. Some posters set up a different site, but before too long, it blew apart also. JMO

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 12:40 AM

It says the website is courtesy of ibi designs out of Boca Raton, Florida. The first site was done by some man from NY. I can't remember his name. JMO

Same guy: Jeremiah Regan

tinkerbell

03-27-2009, 12:41 AM

I've never seen adults act this way. And I'm not a spring chicken.

If there was a "deviant plan" to have this discussion locked down; it probably will succeed.

It's very sad, imho...

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:42 AM

Kim Picazio and (I assume) her hubby originally set the site up. It had courtesy of a man's name with the same last name at the bottom of every page. It was taken down with a notice saying under construction on it then this new one put back up.

I know I am not going back there

Made my computer act weird

Same as after I went to Theresa's myspace site

Maybe LE is monitoring and that is why but with all the nutcases in the world, I trust nothing on the internet and my computer (which is my lifeline lol)

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 12:43 AM

RE: The Haleighbug Center. If CS is staying there, who else will be helping man the site for 24/7. Surely CS will need to sleep. If her baby is there with her, the baby will need some quiet time. JMO

I wanted to ask this when the 24/7 announcement was made. Besides needing several staff to do this it would need security. Witness the hostility this case has riled up.

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:44 AM

That's much more pathologic than "needs to simmer down".

Or simply maybe one too many glasses of wine (shrug)

Either way -- this is not the place for it

I rely on this board for my updates and the good people who provide them

Ignore and report .. move on

That is my policy

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 12:45 AM

I suppose if somebody denied the incident on Feb 11th or even Feb 12th, I would say it was up for another falsehood

But they didn't ... so I am guessing there is truth behind it

And in a weird way -- I think all the accusations and denials between the families is what LE is using to find out what happened to this little girl

Sadly -- the outcome is not good unless we (hopefully??) have shades of Gone Baby Gone happening here?

http://www.fox30online.com/mostpopular/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

snipped

"Sheffield never called police about this incident and there is no other record of it taking place. A judge has yet to change Ronald's primary custody status."

teresa

03-27-2009, 12:46 AM

Something "fishy" about that story. She was supposedly picking the children up for a visit. Seems to me as if Haleigh would have been with her as well as JR. JMO

On Nancy Grace, one of the TH's (who are frequently wrong!) said that Crystal was putting Jr in the car seat and Ron was supposed to be watching her according to Crystal. Who knows? I'm more confused everyday.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:47 AM

I wanted to ask this when the 24/7 announcement was made. Besides needing several staff to do this it would need security. Witness the hostility this case has riled up.

I don't think I would stay there. I know some of these posters that are acting weird (Think they have been hitting the wine bottle or the funny cigarettes a little too long) probably wouldn't do anything, but there are lots of people that would. Just look at what happened to the girl on dancing with the stars. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:47 AM

If there was a "deviant plan" to have this discussion locked down; it probably will succeed.

It's very sad, imho...

You should have been around during the Scott Peterson case

Waaaaaaaaaay worse!!!!!

And it was never shut down ... just a time out or a hundred

And that was with 50 times the posters as this case has

In fact, I think it was the most involved board CTV ever had

And probably ever will

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:49 AM

On Nancy Grace, one of the TH's (who are frequently wrong!) said that Crystal was putting Jr in the car seat and Ron was supposed to be watching her according to Crystal. Who knows? I'm more confused everyday.

Yes, I had heard that. Usually though when children know they are going somewhere, they want to go with whomever is taking them. They would be afraid they would be left at home if they remained in the house. JMO

ttcRider

03-27-2009, 12:49 AM

I don't think I would stay there. I know some of these posters that are acting weird (Think they have been hitting the wine bottle or the funny cigarettes a little too long) probably wouldn't do anything, but there are lots of people that would. Just look at what happened to the girl on dancing with the stars. JMO

IIRC that person is mentally ill, its not from drinking or smoking. jmo

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 12:51 AM

The whole psychology of anonymity is a new science to me. I've only been on MB a few months. I'm still amazed every day. Sorry o/t.

teresa

03-27-2009, 12:51 AM

Yes, I had heard that. Usually though when children know they are going somewhere, they want to go with whomever is taking them. They would be afraid they would be left at home if they remained in the house. JMO

I hadn't thought about it that way. That sounds like the kids I know.

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:52 AM

You should have been around during the Scott Peterson case

Waaaaaaaaaay worse!!!!!

And it was never shut down ... just a time out or a hundred

And that was with 50 times the posters as this case has

In fact, I think it was the most involved board CTV ever had

And probably ever will

That was the first time I ever posted on a board. Someone responed with such a nasty comment, I was afraid to post again for a long time. I was almost too afraid to read!!

Haleigh we want you to be found, tonight if possible, if not tomorrow. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:53 AM

http://www.fox30online.com/mostpopular/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

snipped

"Sheffield never called police about this incident and there is no other record of it taking place. A judge has yet to change Ronald's primary custody status."

Remind me to pull back up the interview on Nancy Grace back on Feb 11/12th thereabouts where it is mentioned and not denied

That tells me personally more than anything else

Heat of the moment -- no denial

Know what i mean?

Denial after the fact means nothing to me really -- time to think about it

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 12:55 AM

I thought the only productive thing KP has said is that Haleighbug was asking for volunteers and would be searching. Has anything come of that or did she "misspeak" again?

Themis

03-27-2009, 12:55 AM

Directions to putting a poster on your own Ignore List

1. Click on 'User CP' (upper left corner of every screen)

2. Then, from the Menu on the left side, click on Ignore List

3. Type in the person's name in the blank box and

4. Click on 'Save Changes'

Is there an easier, faster way to do this? :biggrin: TIA

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:55 AM

That was the first time I ever posted on a board. Someone responed with such a nasty comment, I was afraid to post again for a long time. I was almost too afraid to read!!

Haleigh we want you to be found, tonight if possible, if not tomorrow. JMO

Never be afraid to speak your mind!

Only be afraid when you refuse yourself that right

legalmania

03-27-2009, 12:57 AM

Everybody put that oversize on ignore.

teresa

03-27-2009, 12:58 AM

Never be afraid to speak your mind!

Only be afraid when you refuse yourself that right

Great saying Tara. I need you in my personal life, please?

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 12:59 AM

Thanks, I thought I read that somewhere.

Maybe the building is open but not the phone lines?

(shrug)

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 12:59 AM

I thought the only productive thing KP has said is that Haleighbug was asking for volunteers and would be searching. Has anything come of that or did she "misspeak" again?

There was a link earlier tonight that said LE did not have any more searches planned. They are following up on tips. I guess if they received a tip they deemed reliable, they would search the area. I don't know about any private searches that are planned. Without some idea of where to search, seems it would be a waste of time. I could organize a search of my backyard and invite my neighbors, but I don't think we would find Haleigh. JMO

VII

03-27-2009, 01:01 AM

go silly me..its your birfday!

:rose: for Haliegh

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 01:01 AM

Great saying Tara. I need you in my personal life, please?

Just keep repeating it to yourself

In any situation

(:

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 01:02 AM

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 01:03 AM

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 01:04 AM

I also didn't know that you could see the water from the car. Guessing the car is by the home.

The other thing that is fishy - How long does it take to place someone in a car seat? Would someone be floating in the water if they almost drowned? I have read incidents of children drowning in swimming pools, but they are usually found on the bottom. JMO

Riverwalk!

03-27-2009, 01:05 AM

Nancy Grace transcripts

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 01:06 AM

There was a link earlier tonight that said LE did not have any more searches planned. They are following up on tips. I guess if they received a tip they deemed reliable, they would search the area. I don't know about any private searches that are planned. Without some idea of where to search, seems it would be a waste of time. I could organize a search of my backyard and invite my neighbors, but I don't think we would find Haleigh. JMO

It is sad searches are stopped but I can see LE's point

What more can they do as far as searching?

Thinking about little Trenton Duckett and how that has passed over

He could be dead or alive and we may never know for years

How did Melinda do it or if she didn't who has him?

Blind luck found Caylee Anthony (or a setup... but that is another board)

Far too easy to just disappear anymore

Themis

03-27-2009, 01:06 AM

Yes. Click on the user name next to their post. VIEW public profile. Go to "user lists". Scroll down to put on ignore.
Many thanks, Bookie and Riverwalk.:smile:

amglory

03-27-2009, 01:07 AM

Never be afraid to speak your mind!

Only be afraid when you refuse yourself that right

I remember you from the Peterson board Tara, didn't you used to post on the "mile long something or other thread" with me and spud and LaMaggs along with a few others?

?noanswer

03-27-2009, 01:08 AM

It is sad searches are stopped but I can see LE's point

What more can they do as far as searching?

Thinking about little Trenton Duckett and how that has passed over

He could be dead or alive and we may never know for years

How did Melinda do it or if she didn't who has him?

Blind luck found Caylee Anthony (or a setup... but that is another board)

Far too easy to just disappear anymore

It's a shame that the people were watching Misty's every move, didn't watch Haleigh. Maybe we would know where she is now if they had. Course there are a lot of adults that go missing and are never found. JMO

teresa

03-27-2009, 01:09 AM

Just keep repeating it to yourself

In any situation

(:

I'll try! I think I'm too old to grow a backbone now though.

I'll try to find that transcript for you later since you aren't usually here late at night. If I find it, I'll save it for you (assuming we get to post again).

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 01:10 AM

I can't access her transcripts but was Ron on the show at that time? I don't remember him being on her show that early in. If he wasn't then how was he supposed to deny her claim?

It was Ron and Misty

Sheriff Hardy

I think Mom too

Do not remember Crystal but it is late so not thinking sharply

There were inconsistencies galore as well

Interesting to go back to the beginning, watch the middle and see where we are now

I always stick with the beginning ... there is more truth in the lies told to cover up at the beginning than the end

amglory

03-27-2009, 01:10 AM

The most hated thread ever. lol

I was indeed!

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 01:12 AM

I remember you from the Peterson board Tara, didn't you used to post on the "mile long something or other thread" with me and spud and LaMaggs along with a few others?

Yep I sure did!

Only thread I trusted

Good and bad .. one same side or opposite .. did not matter

It was civil

I appreciated that

(:

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 01:13 AM

The most hated thread ever. lol

And the most beloved LOL

Good friends came from that

(:

TaraCrazyHair

03-27-2009, 01:16 AM

I am going to bed with a smile on my face remembering The Ten Mile Long Thread

LOL

And still hoping for fire and brimstone for whoever harmed this little girl

Nite

(:

legalmania

03-27-2009, 01:21 AM

Hi Haleigh, well it's getting late, lots of people are still looking and praying for you we hope you come home soon. We all love you and you are our little hero.

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amglory

03-27-2009, 01:22 AM

I seldom ventured out of that thread either.We even had a pal talk set up where we actually talked to one another. I'll be smiling tonight too.

CANDYKISSES

03-27-2009, 01:26 AM

I admire Crystal for going to rehab and being clean from drugs. I don't want to hate on anyone who has done that.

IMO, Kim could very well have been misquoted. She was in her car driving from Miami to Satsuma, while trying to accommodate a reporter.

IMO, I think we all agree that if others have reported claims of abuse to the children to Kim (and to Crystal since she has been in Satsuma), then they did the correct thing in reporting those claims to DCF and LE. Let's don't hate on them for doing so.

MOO

I guess you missed the myspace pre make over, but I didn't and it's fine if you believe one week of rehab does the trick. I do not by any stretch of the imagination believe that. I will pray she is clean now the same way I pray for anyone in this world who suffers mental anguish, chronic pain and addiction. There are many people in that group through no bad choices of their own IMO.

Let's :ohmy:agree to give each other the space and respect to disagree works for me as I don't understand your "hate on them" and if it means don't hold anyone accountable for poor choices and waiting too long to right the wrongs, I'll be watching for your posts concerning Misty now and in the future.

I will continue to pray for a MIRACLE concerning Haleigh and that she and Junior were not living the abuse lifestyle Crystal and Kim allege. Certainly, I hope the list of people is not what was previously held up in court. JMO tho. :sad: The timing of this wreaks of selfishness, just like walking out on children to save yourself IF INDEED that turns out to be the case here.

CANDYKISSES

03-27-2009, 01:49 AM

As far as I am concerned Crystal was proven to be lying about that 1 photo tonite. Ron's refuting photos made medical and physiological sense. That makes 2 very public and documented lies. What is her agenda? I thought she was just being manipulated by a bitter Marie and embarrassed at the initial questions about her loss of custodyfor which she seemed totally unprepared. Now I just don't know. Maybe she's just not too bright and nothing sinister is involved.

I would like to see what NG had in her hands as she addressed the FALSE ACCUSATION of a FELONY with Crystal taking it pretty far before admitting she filed a false report. I could tell by the look of horror on Kim's face, she was ill prepared for NG to have that stack of papers.

IMO tonight was a stellar performance with no appearance regarding the photos. Shame on Crystal and Kim for trying to do this in the middle of searching for a missing child.

Opportunist comes to mind every time I see Crystal, yet I still find myself praying for her and believing some day she will look back and wish she had done things differently concerning her first two children.

JMO tho. :sad:

rosieposett

03-27-2009, 01:58 AM

I can't access her transcripts. I get the same message every time.

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

Evening bookie. FireFox opened it for me. Do you have that browser?

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 02:03 AM

I would like to see what NG had in her hands as she addressed the FALSE ACCUSATION of a FELONY with Crystal taking it pretty far before admitting she filed a false report. I could tell by the look of horror on Kim's face, she was ill prepared for NG to have that stack of papers.

IMO tonight was a stellar performance with no appearance regarding the photos. Shame on Crystal and Kim for trying to do this in the middle of searching for a missing child.

Opportunist comes to mind every time I see Crystal, yet I still find myself praying for her and believing some day she will look back and wish she had done things differently concerning her first two children.

JMO tho. :sad:

Very much agreed. Ron has made mistakes, such as cursing Misty during his initial moment of terror, which turned some against him. But tonite proved his determination to fight for his kids. I am impressed that although he had no way of knowing the terrible future he was anticipating trouble from his ex and looked for a way to prove his innocence. All those progressive pics showed a smiling Haleigh. A bruised and smiling Haleigh looking up at, most likely, her dad. Not a fearful child.

doctor_J

03-27-2009, 02:05 AM

I tried to highlight "stellar performance tonite...etc" but it didn't work. How is that done??

Hope the ? doesn't get me banned.

Pag Boi

03-27-2009, 02:12 AM

teresa

03-27-2009, 02:16 AM

Oh dear. Let me guess. We have a new site where current/former IS members can go post "freely?" They are going to show us how a real board operates and stick it to <insert nics of their affection here> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. This has been going on since the inception of MBs and ctv/IS.

This is the Haleigh Cummings board. Why would anyone come here to insult others or further their own agenda? Obviously, it does nothing to help find Haleigh.

For Haleigh :rose:

I'm glad to hear that (sort of). I don't want the board shut down by people intentionally being disruptive. I learn a lot here, from both "sides". I just want Haleigh home safe and the correct person punished.

teresa

03-27-2009, 02:18 AM

Deadbeat comes to my mind.

Dang if your post doesn't make me sorry I missed NG. Yikes I can't believe I typed that!

The repeat is on now if you have a TV nearby. They haven't had the Haleigh story yet.

Mayasmimi

03-27-2009, 02:47 AM

You are right he doesnt. Why would he do anything to help find her after he lost her and all. No biggie... at least not to him or Misty. Really sad.

Ouch....at this point I am with you. Something is very, very wrong.

For whatever reason Nancy Grace is all over Crystal's attorney. What?

Nancy is no longer fare/unbiased. Odd....I love Nancy when I agree with her....too many cases to mention, but you know. This is the first time she is driving me nucking futs.

I still watch. Maybe like looking at an accident on the freeway. I try not to add to the mess, but do take a quick look.

Grrr.

Pag Boi

03-27-2009, 02:50 AM

Does anyone know if Ron intends on building a website for Haleigh? Any word on whether or not Ron is going to help search for his daughter? I'd think that would be at the top of his "to do" list, no? Is Teresa the only one that will look for Haleigh on Ron's side? I'm curious to know if Ronalds lawyers will help him take positive steps forward, I certainly hope so.

jmo

There was a poster here that volunteered to build a website for the family. :shrug: Maybe Ron didn't get the message.

I don't think Ron or Crystal having a website is going to solve the case.

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 02:53 AM

Well, he needs a website because any and all attention that can be drawn to Haleigh, should be. Also, he can raise mega awareness through the internet, I'm sure you already knew that though. And I disagree with you that he is doing all he can as Crystal is. Crystal's website is up, she is also getting a search together. I have heard no mention of Ron getting a search team together as of yet. Why? Why is his 50something year old mother out looking in the woods ALONE??

Positive step forward means taking positive steps to find his daughter, not sit around waiting for the search team to come and get him, kwim?

The photos Ron took of Haleigh I only briefly viewed. I'm no expert in that field and I don't want to even try to start guessing what the deal is there. I left it alone when I saw the pictures Crystal posted of Haleigh. I'll leave that little bit of evidence up to le and dcs to solve, my opinion of the abuse allegations and Ron's defense stating it was a schoolground accident, is not one that I would like to give at this point. We, all of us, just don't know whether there was abuse or not, it'll be up to dcs, le, attornies and the parents to determine that one.

jmo

Hi 51 I ask the same thing a couple weeks ago about a website and was ask why they would need one well for one most people these days have a computer and her face would be seen by billions of people even if it were only a myspace page. I agree with you I am glad someone finally got one going which I am guessing is someone in the Haleighbug foundation?

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 02:58 AM

There was a poster here that volunteered to build a website for the family. :shrug: Maybe Ron didn't get the message.

I don't think Ron or Crystal having a website is going to solve the case.

Yeah I recall that and the person emailed a lot of the family if it is the same person and got no response so not sure why guess they felt it was not needed or skipped over it when they were on their myspace pages. I never thought Caylee's was going to bring her home either but it was a place to go and get updates and stuff so I would have thought since she was missing one would have been set up but that is just MO:confused:

Mayasmimi

03-27-2009, 03:00 AM

There was a poster here that volunteered to build a website for the family. :shrug: Maybe Ron didn't get the message.

I don't think Ron or Crystal having a website is going to solve the case.

Really? Yeah. This little girl has been gone so long. IMO it's obvious that Haleigh being taken was not just a random act. IMO.....cannot be Crystal. I still lean towards Misty. AND Ron married her? Gotta wonder why. Maybe Ron? IDK.

The truth will be known.....eventually.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:00 AM

The repeat is on now if you have a TV nearby. They haven't had the Haleigh story yet.

OMGosh, we just got home and I tuned in to the repeat of NG.
Tried and started to head straight to bed but changed my mind.
ooooo so glad I did.

Wow, Crystal's attorney talks like she has reliable sources regarding seeing Misty out that night.
:ohmy:

Just one of a few theories kicked around here about having someone in the home. Maybe Haleigh did get up and see Misty with a "friend" and a hush-up followed.

MOO
Emme

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:03 AM

Really? Yeah. This little girl has been gone so long. IMO it's obvious that Haleigh being taken was not just a random act. IMO.....cannot be Crystal. I still lean towards Misty. AND Ron married her? Gotta wonder why. Maybe Ron? IDK.

The truth will be known.....eventually.

Hi Mayasmimi, I'm holding firm that a stranger SO would not prop open a door and turn on the kitchen light! If a stranger SO did that then he knew for a fact no adult was in that home.

Until there are more "dirty little tidbits", I do not think Ron had anything to do with the disappearance of Haleigh.

MOO
Emme

teresa

03-27-2009, 03:06 AM

Really? Yeah. This little girl has been gone so long. IMO it's obvious that Haleigh being taken was not just a random act. IMO.....cannot be Crystal. I still lean towards Misty. AND Ron married her? Gotta wonder why. Maybe Ron? IDK.

The truth will be known.....eventually.

I'm starting to doubt that Mayasmimi. I'm giving up hope unless LE knows a lot more than we do. If Misty is found to really not be home, we don't have a clue who took her and why just her. If that part is true, I lean toward a SO because they left Jr. I just hope we know eventually.

I would love to know the true results on the LDT's even if it's just two questions: were you there and if so, were you alone with the kids. There is no gray area in those questions and I don't see how she could fudge those results. We just don't know what those results are.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:06 AM

http://www.artharris.com/

If you haven't watched this video yet it is really very interesting.
I saw it today on SM (I cruise through many forums to see what's up)and anyway folks there are noticing that TN is wearing flip flops. Wierd though dontcha think? Searching through the snake infested dirty ol woods in flip flops? I thought so too.

Apparently TN searched for four hours in the woods and she come across a mobile home that made her very upset. TN then spoke to Cobra, tearfully explaining to him what she had found. TN then takes Cobra over to this area and she then ditches Cobra and his crew, later claiming that she was scared off by a snake. (PS It is common knowledge that there are snakes in the area.)

OK I'm trying to wrap my brain around this...
TN spent Four (4) long hours....searching this area...full of dead leaves, wood, brush and live snakes....by herself....wearing flip flops....odd. Very very odd. JMO
Her pants are possibly light colored jeans. For sure they are light colored...and clean too.

What is wrong with this picture?

I have not watched the video but will. Wanted to respond to your post first.
Maybe TN really got scared off by what they may find in the trailer.
I think she is a desperate g-mother looking for her g-daughter.

OK, going to watch your link.
TY
Emme

Mayasmimi

03-27-2009, 03:06 AM

Hi 51 I ask the same thing a couple weeks ago about a website and was ask why they would need one well for one most people these days have a computer and her face would be seen by billions of people even if it were only a myspace page. I agree with you I am glad someone finally got one going which I am guessing is someone in the Haleighbug foundation?

Birth Mom had pictures of her daughter on Myspace from the beginning. With that said...haven't looked in a few weeks....and she has issues (from what I remember), too. I don't know. Just saying that Crystal did post about her missing daughter on Myspace. I have know idea if her Myspace is still up.

Just saying.

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 03:12 AM

Birth Mom had pictures of her daughter on Myspace from the beginning. With that said...haven't looked in a few weeks....and she has issues (from what I remember), too. I don't know. Just saying that Crystal did post about her missing daughter on Myspace. I have know idea if her Myspace is still up.

Just saying.

I am not sure she did the other day have Haleighs picture as her default but have not been on myspace today she is on my page so I got the bulletin about a new website a few weeks ago but have not went there yet I heard it was down for a few days guess I should check it out.

Mayasmimi

03-27-2009, 03:13 AM

I'm starting to doubt that Mayasmimi. I'm giving up hope unless LE knows a lot more than we do. If Misty is found to really not be home, we don't have a clue who took her and why just her. If that part is true, I lean toward a SO because they left Jr. I just hope we know eventually.

I would love to know the true results on the LDT's even if it's just two questions: were you there and if so, were you alone with the kids. There is no gray area in those questions and I don't see how she could fudge those results. We just don't know what those results are.

I get what you are saying. LDTs, while they make great sense to us, don't really hold up in court, but speak volumes to LE. We may never know.

LE has to know way more than we do. I hope an arrest is made soon, as I don't believe Haleigh is alive.

Haleigh....:rose: I know she's with our Lord....Safe.

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 03:14 AM

:scared:Oh Lord, I'm with you. I just got here as well. What in the world would prompt something like this?

:confused:

Don't ask me I was like OMG did I miss something or what:confused:

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:15 AM

http://www.artharris.com/

If you haven't watched this video yet it is really very interesting.
I saw it today on SM (I cruise through many forums to see what's up)and anyway folks there are noticing that TN is wearing flip flops. Wierd though dontcha think? Searching through the snake infested dirty ol woods in flip flops? I thought so too.

Apparently TN searched for four hours in the woods and she come across a mobile home that made her very upset. TN then spoke to Cobra, tearfully explaining to him what she had found. TN then takes Cobra over to this area and she then ditches Cobra and his crew, later claiming that she was scared off by a snake. (PS It is common knowledge that there are snakes in the area.)

OK I'm trying to wrap my brain around this...
TN spent Four (4) long hours....searching this area...full of dead leaves, wood, brush and live snakes....by herself....wearing flip flops....odd. Very very odd. JMO
Her pants are possibly light colored jeans. For sure they are light colored...and clean too.

What is wrong with this picture?

Patricia,
I watched the video and what stood out most to me is that Cobra has a nasty mouth. Why do some people have to use such vulgar language. Thank goodness it was beeped out.

Stand by what I said initially. TN wants to find her g-daughter and she is desperate enough to do whatever to make that happen.
I really hate it for TN. She just appears genuine to me.
But JMO
Emme

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:17 AM

Don't ask me I was like OMG did I miss something or what:confused:

It skeered me. Hope that poster does not have a voodoo doll. Geesh.
Guess they got a bit upset about something.
:chicken:

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 03:17 AM

The reader comment section is filled with hateful messages; using ID's from those on this board, Crystal's attorney and others... It is awful! I think someone is "stealing" ID's and posting very horrible messages.

Hopefully, the web admin at that site can be contacted ASAP so this will stop!

moo

tinkerbell
what is up with all those huge post I am so lost about right now

Mayasmimi

03-27-2009, 03:19 AM

Patricia,
I watched the video and what stood out most to me is that Cobra has a nasty mouth. Why do some people have to use such vulgar language. Thank goodness it was beeped out.

Stand by what I said initially. TN wants to find her g-daughter and she is desperate enough to do whatever to make that happen.
I really hate it for TN. She just appears genuine to me.
But JMO
Emme

Agree with your observation of TN. She sometimes seems to be the ONE person who is genuinly afraid for Haleigh. I am a Mimi, with a little one a bit older than Haleigh. I cannot even imagine what she is going through. Breaks my heart.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:19 AM

I get what you are saying. LDTs, while they make great sense to us, don't really hold up in court, but speak volumes to LE. We may never know.

LE has to know way more than we do. I hope an arrest is made soon, as I don't believe Haleigh is alive.

Haleigh....:rose: I know she's with our Lord....Safe.

:( I have to totally agree with you that I too believe that Haleigh is no longer alive. Most likely, she died the night she went missing.

Prayers for Haleigh.
Emme

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 03:24 AM

I visited when it opened and there were no pics, just asking for donations. It came down the next day. Just found out it was back up. I will check it out.

docj is it back up last I knew it was down I guess I can go look.

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:25 AM

Agree with your observation of TN. She sometimes seems to be the ONE person who is genuinly afraid for Haleigh. I am a Mimi, with a little one a bit older than Haleigh. I cannot even imagine what she is going through. Breaks my heart.

Oh lucky you with the little one. I don't have any yet but cannot wait. I do know that
I'd crawl over broken glass on my hands and knees to find one of ours.

I cannot imagine the fear that TN feels regarding Haleigh. If there is one thing I am absolutely certain about in this case it is that TN is not involved at all. She is just a broken, scared g-mother. I don't know how she is holding up for so long.
MOO
Emme

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 03:27 AM

:( I have to totally agree with you that I too believe that Haleigh is no longer alive. Most likely, she died the night she went missing.

Prayers for Haleigh.
Emme

As much as I hate to say it I agree with you 2 as long as it has been it is not looking good and we dont see to many Elizabeth smart cases I wish I was wrong but the stats are not in Haleighs favor...I pray I am wrong.:sad:

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:27 AM

As for me what else stood out is the fact that TN stood waaaaay back as if she thought something or better yet "someone" was about to come out with a shotgun. (The owner has "NO TRESPASSING" signs up on his property.) She also told Cobra that she had spent four hours out in the are searching and then I also noticed that Cobra was asking her questions about the area and Teresa added that she didn't know because she had never been there before...

Just a theory but it is possible that this is that sterotypical property owner who's a grumpy ol' shotgun totin' mean ol sob in the neighborhood that even hollyweird puts into movies...

Oh and BTW IMO it also appears that this was very possibly a setup.
MOO

I guess that is part I am not grasping ~ setup. What kind of setup?
What could TN possibly gain by leading Cobra into the wood to that old scary trailer? Got any ideas/theories?

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:29 AM

docj is it back up last I knew it was down I guess I can go look.

I checked right quick and Haleighbug.com is back up.

http://haleighbug.com/

Leather&Lace

03-27-2009, 03:42 AM

The sign said "NO TRESPASSING".

ummm

Prayers for Haleigh.

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 03:52 AM

I checked right quick and Haleighbug.com is back up.

http://haleighbug.com/

I finally got it to load for me is it just me or was it everyone I read some had problems earlier

heck I thought caylees thread was bad tonight. I am still trying to get a grip on what is going on over here tonight. geeez

rosieposett

03-27-2009, 03:53 AM

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 03:55 AM

OMGosh, we just got home and I tuned in to the repeat of NG.
Tried and started to head straight to bed but changed my mind.
ooooo so glad I did.

Wow, Crystal's attorney talks like she has reliable sources regarding seeing Misty out that night.
:ohmy:

Just one of a few theories kicked around here about having someone in the home. Maybe Haleigh did get up and see Misty with a "friend" and a hush-up followed.

MOO
Emme

I have not watched it but it comes on in 5 min sounds like I should tune in to O NG then.

rosieposett

03-27-2009, 03:56 AM

:( I have to totally agree with you that I too believe that Haleigh is no longer alive. Most likely, she died the night she went missing.

Prayers for Haleigh.
Emme

I think she died that evening also. jmo

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 04:03 AM

OMG I guess the comments are not appoved on the new website of crystals I just read one and about freaked out. I think they should look into having them be approved no one should be so rude to bash the mom omg ok this is all alittle to much.I dont care if people think she has been a bad mom or what that is so sad people would do that on Haleighbugs page:angry:

just talking out loud here. forgive me...

rosieposett

03-27-2009, 04:05 AM

Ita aproud. Yes, someone in Crystal's circle got it up and running.

jmo

A website makes it easier for donations to come in for search funds. I believe Crystal wants to keep the searches ongoing and she will need money for that.

I already know all about the original purpose of asking for money for herself and her kids. I detested that manner of manipulation.

I have to admit Crystal is doing "something". She is being productive. jmo

Don't think I am a Crystal fan, I am not. But credit is due here. jmo

BTW: I am not a Ron fan either.

Pag Boi

03-27-2009, 04:05 AM

<bolding mine>

I think that's a pretty ignorant statement, I think you know that deep down as well, jmo. No matter what, you just can't concede that Ron can and should step it up a notch, can you? Crystal and Ron not having a website in these modern days is absolutely third world thinking. Do you know how many people they can reach via the web? WORLD WIDE attention and I never said it would solve this crime, but how can you know it wouldn't? If Haleigh is still alive, her picture is needed to be reached by everyone, imo. Crystal's no hero, she just got her website up and running and it needs work, a lot of it, but it is a start. Why is it so difficult to admit that Ron is not being completely active in the search for Haleigh? Day one he says she is his heart, he will kill anyone who gets in his way, etc. you would think he'd be moving mountains, but he is not.

Perhaps he is out looking and the press isn't covering it, but then I question, why the privacy? Or, is he out looking by himself like Teresa was? That is very dangerous to do.
imo.

I won't say what I think of your statements. Just to show you how I can step up a notch or 10. ;)

"Worldwide" is stretching things a little.

I don't expect Ron to be out searching. No matter what he does, it will never be enough for some.

Crystal didn't do sheet. She used the term "brat" for Haleigh until some ambulance chaser came to her rescue and shut down her MS page. Oh and Geraldo. From what I have seen, there is still some work to be done cleaning up the CS net photos tho.

Crystal herself said Ron would never hurt Haleigh. Crystal said there was no custody dispute. Crystal said some days she didn't feel like getting out of bed to take the kids to their dr appts.

Haleigh is the saint here. She was a happy child. There is no proof she smelled like urine or that she was abused.

Ron having a website for you to criticize isn't going to solve the case. Niethier will Crystal's solicitation/accusation site. JMOO. Maybe if you had been allowed to build it, I'd be more optimistic about it's influence. Something to think about anyway.

aproudmom

03-27-2009, 04:18 AM

A website makes it easier for donations to come in for search funds. I believe Crystal wants to keep the searches ongoing and she will need money for that.

I already know all about the original purpose of asking for money for herself and her kids. I detested that manner of manipulation.

I have to admit Crystal is doing "something". She is being productive. jmo

Don't think I am a Crystal fan, I am not. But credit is due here. jmo

BTW: I am not a Ron fan either.

Me either to tell you the truth I am a Haleigh fan I am just so shocked by the horrible comments on that website it is sick very sick even if they hate crystal that is so uncalled for I can not read another comment on that site.