Wednesday, March 25 - Let's Find HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings

[Peaches]

Thank you CW for allowing us to post again today.

Good Morning all..............I can not wait to here your throughts today.

Let's focus today on HaLeigh!

Maybe today will be the day for her to come home..........prayers!

[CNTM]

Thank you for the thread Peaches!

Praying for today to be the day!:rose:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Q and A with Putnam County Sheriff’s Lt. Greenwood (REPORTERS NOTES 3/24/09)

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

Buzz Around Haleigh’s Neighborhood Lessens

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Buzz-Around-Haleigh-s-Neighborhood-Lessens/pEK6xbx5KUGjXBlZJrG2Eg.cspx

VIDEO: Neighbors Look Back
Neighbors in Putnam County continue to hold on to hope that missing 5 year old Haleigh Cummings will be returned home.
http://www.fox30online.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=30581@video.fox30online.com&navCatId=12

More Interviews Conducted In Haleigh Disappearance

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19008243/detail.html

[kitty1182]

Praying this child is found today.....

[CNTM]

Morning, Peaches, Lynn, CNTM...hopefully people will start noticing that the site is back up and come back. I miss the links...

Here's hope for Haleigh...

'Morning Liz! They'll start to wake up and arrive shortly!

[CNTM]

Since it was talked about on either JVM or Prime News...what more do we know about "Greg"'s involvement in this situation?

I'm not aware of any additional info. I got the impression he was not suspect in any thing other than an fling with Misty.

[Politigal]

from this article it says that cousin Joe had stayed in Crescent City for about a month

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

That means Joe had a lot of time to familiarize himself with the area there...

In the latest news reports about the search that stretched south down Hwy 17, it said police searched to Paradise Shores at Crescent City. Look how close that is to Crescent Lake:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=paradise+shores,+fl+32112&sll=29.487854,-81.551836&sspn=0.007284,0.013583&ie=UTF8&ll=29.489181,-81.554561&spn=0.058275,0.108662&z=13

It was reported yesterday that volunteers are organizing another large search....and I hope they focus more on Crescent City than Satsuma.

[Texas48]

Praying this child is found today.....
good morning to you Kitty. Glad ALL got the board back up...just saw on HLN....Florida girl returned...suspect under arrest..anyone here anything? have been listening for more but nothing yet...just asking..

[playnice]

good morning to you Kitty. Glad ALL got the board back up...just saw on HLN....Florida girl returned...suspect under arrest..anyone here anything? have been listening for more but nothing yet...just asking..

God let it be Haleigh.

[CNTM]

Wasn't this a 2 month old baby?

[SwineFeld]

I think they are talking about that 2 month old baby.

God let it be Haleigh.

[beachpatty]

Good Morning Folkes,

Good to see the board open again, I missed the sudden closing. I have not gone back and caught up but I can kinda tell, nothing new :(
Maybe today??

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[SwineFeld]

Here is the link to the 2 month old baby story.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510268,00.html

[Peaches]

Thank you, CW! Thank you, Peaches! Thank you, liznchas!

Good morning all, my power was out last night, finally went to bed so if anything was on tv I didn't get to see it.

Let's pray we find little Haleigh today!

Good Morning again..............everyone.

It is great to be here today sharing our thoughts and prayers for HaLeigh!

Also..........thanks for the links!


call Crimestoppers at 888-277-TIPS.

It was good to read that they are planning to search other areas for HaLeigh...................I think it said in the area where Cousin Joe was staying. Joe come back and talk to LE -

If anyone who is reading this bb knows anything about where HaLeigh could be or know anything --------- please call LE. HaLeigh deserves to come home.

Also............HaLeigh deserves to have those responsible for her disappearance to be held accountable!

Praying she is alive.............and will be returned to those who love her so much. :rose:

[psbperu]

That had to do with a 2 month old baby taken from a mother at a Health Dept in FL. THe person who took the child from the mother stated she was immigration and was sending the mother back and that her daughter would be safe with her for the time being...when the mother realized it was BS, she reported it...the lady who took the baby turned herself in yesterday...the baby had been missing since Monday...the baby was safe and fine.

jmo

Was away for 4 days, came in yesterday morning...no news of Haleigh but was amazed at what I read.

Thanks CW..as usual on top of things.

Hopefully something will break today, LE is certainly keeping it close to the vest.

[aproudmom]

Good Morning to everyone
Thanks for the new thread and I agree this is a place for all of us and our opinions and at times I know we all go to far but we are all adults and to cause a missing little girls thread shut down needs to stop. It is easy to just ignore someone who wants to attack everyone's post if it is not their opinion. I have made a promise to Haleigh I will never be the one to have her thread shut down as we all should. Thanks CW

Let us fight for Haleigh:rose:not fight each other

wishing everyone a wonderful day
Hope 4 Haleigh

[Peaches]

Good Morning to everyone
Thanks for the new thread and I agree this is a place for all of us and our opinions and at times I know we all go to far but we are all adults and to cause a missing little girls thread shut down needs to stop. It is easy to just ignore someone who wants to attack everyone's post if it is not their opinion. I have made a promise to Haleigh I will never be the one to have her thread shut down as we all should. Thanks CW

Let us fight for Haleigh:rose:not fight each other

wishing everyone a wonderful day
Hope 4 Haleigh


BRAVO......................and I want to be on the bench with you!

[aproudmom]

Since it was talked about on either JVM or Prime News...what more do we know about "Greg"'s involvement in this situation?

I think it was on NG TJ Hart was reporting about it but can not remember every word he said I am sure it is in the links only thread.

[aproudmom]

BRAVO......................and I want to be on the bench with you!

okey dokey I have a spot open..lol.

[aproudmom]

There wasn't a whole lot from Prime News and JVM that we did not already know. They talked about the Art Harris Interview with Misty's mom and sister (or sil???) and how they are telling her she needs to start keeping her mouth shut...I think JVM talked for a moment about the Greg character and how police say they know who he is but LE won't say anything more...

jmo

OK that must have been were I heard it on JVM not NG I knew if it was NG I could find it but JVM does not have transcripts does she? they did not say to much but TJ I thought said when he ask LE they said they had no comment Today.:confused:

[aproudmom]

Did we ever confirm whether or not Cobra is still on the scene investigating? Someone mentioned yesterday that he might be on NG?

Great question I have not seen him

[SwineFeld]

I totally agree.

I think it's about time they had another news conference, aren't there only two reasons they aren't releasing any information, 1. they really don't know anything, or 2. they know ALOT and are keeping the enemy close for right now, so to speak.

I wish they would just release something, KWIM?

[CJSMOMMY]

If there was a fling thing with this Greg character maybe Ron will pressure Misty more about the timeline that night.

Does anyone know why "Greg' was there and the type of relationship that it was (friends,more than friends,kin folk)?



Praying for Haleigh's return.Hopefully safe return.:sad:

[crymeariver2006]

IF Greg were to be involved, that makes Jr's story pretty relevant.

But....but....but

GGM Sykes said she herself went with Jr. that night where he was interviewed by child witness specialists and she claims that the police told her that he changed his story every time a question was asked. They would look in to what he told them, but I don't think anything ever came of it.

And Ron claims that the "man in black" story is BS cooked up by Crystal and Geraldo.

I don't think Greg was "learned about" until the Cobra story, otherwise he would have been interviewed 6 weeks ago and not just the other day.

JMO though.

[Lynn Gweeny]

from this article it says that cousin Joe had stayed in Crescent City for about a month

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

That means Joe had a lot of time to familiarize himself with the area there...

In the latest news reports about the search that stretched south down Hwy 17, it said police searched to Paradise Shores at Crescent City. Look how close that is to Crescent Lake:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=paradise+shores,+fl+32112&sll=29.487854,-81.551836&sspn=0.007284,0.013583&ie=UTF8&ll=29.489181,-81.554561&spn=0.058275,0.108662&z=13

It was reported yesterday that volunteers are organizing another large search....and I hope they focus more on Crescent City than Satsuma.

I hope they search there, also, Politigal. Knowing that this 'cousin' Joe was visiting for a month, your prior post regarding Chelsea Croslin's information about the scratched van, etc., something I read early on (2/11/09 and the following by a poster on another forum piqued my interest again.

Granted, it's on the "astrology" forum, but it was the somewhat accurate information that came to pass in Caylee's case that made me peek in periodically.

JMO, but I've always felt that neither Ron nor Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh missing, perhaps someone within their circle. I feel that BOTH love Haleigh very, very much. Perhaps because I feel this way, that that is why this particular post on that forum has intrigued me.

Anyway, I just thought I'd share because whether it's hooey or not, it does cause me to wonder, if in the end, there may be some validity to this stuff after all.

FYI, the last part of the post or the 'summary' about 3/4 of the way down is what I find quite interesting in light of your post(s), Politigal. It may not be related to this 'cousin' Joe, but who knows.

So, for anyone interested, just scroll down to where it begins .....

==========================

Since then, we have examined more verifiable charts, specifically

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3454889&postcount=310

[Peaches]

okey dokey I have a spot open..lol.


Thanks..............I really hope I deserve to be there. I will give it my best shot............I will be here ONLY for HaLeigh, like you.:wub:

[aproudmom]

Misty's Mom didn't help Misty's story, IMO, she seemed to contradict the constantly changing story Misty has been telling.

mo

ok do people get more than 1 polygraph is that normal?:confused:

[Peaches]

IF Greg were to be involved, that makes Jr's story pretty relevant.



And..............MOO ..................scary!!

Please let HaLeigh come home!

[crymeariver2006]

ok do people get more than 1 polygraph is that normal?:confused:

IMO, her polygraphs have been inconclusive. All of them.

But she thinks they're so good they're hanging in the Polygraph Hall of Fame.

[aproudmom]

Thanks..............I really hope I deserve to be there. I will give it my best shot............I will be here ONLY for HaLeigh, like you.:wub:

Oh yeah you do deserve to be there has anyone heard how The Haleighbug headquarters is going? I read they are doing their own searches now. I am sure it helps them rather than just setting and not doing anything. I hope they are getting tips also have not heard of any new ones guess that does not mean LE has not got any.

[odyssey]

from this article it says that cousin Joe had stayed in Crescent City for about a month

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

That means Joe had a lot of time to familiarize himself with the area there...

In the latest news reports about the search that stretched south down Hwy 17, it said police searched to Paradise Shores at Crescent City. Look how close that is to Crescent Lake:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=paradise+shores,+fl+32112&sll=29.487854,-81.551836&sspn=0.007284,0.013583&ie=UTF8&ll=29.489181,-81.554561&spn=0.058275,0.108662&z=13

It was reported yesterday that volunteers are organizing another large search....and I hope they focus more on Crescent City than Satsuma.

Chad Reynold's grandparents live in crescent city and according to their address which i won't publish here .. they reside within a block of crescent lake.

[Peaches]

Oh yeah you do deserve to be there has anyone heard how The Haleighbug headquarters is going? I read they are doing their own searches now. I am sure it helps them rather than just setting and not doing anything. I hope they are getting tips also have not heard of any new ones guess that does not mean LE has not got any.


I think it was in one of the articles that Lynn posted (could be wrong-but someone posted it today) and it said that they were making plans for searches near the area where Joe was staying...........with groups of 10 each.

Hopefully.............the will find something!...........anything!

HaLeigh deserves the attention of all those who love her............they need to focus on bringing this baby home. Hopefully.........they will find her alive! That is my sincere prayer!

[aproudmom]

sure it's normal.......

















.........if you are DECEPTIVE.

oh ok I did not know that well I knew if your charged the def can ask for their own polygraph person to do one. I had just never heard of Misty taking 2 Thanks alot....

[CC I See]

What is needed more than anything at this point is several teams of cadaver dogs since humans can walk right by and not sense evidence or remains.... but this takes either volunteer canine teams or paid canine teams. Hopefully there is enough in the donation pot left to cover the paid teams if none of the volunteer teams are available. It all has to do with priorities.

[CC I See]

IMO, this is about Haleigh and finding her not about which parent you like or dislike.I agree with you.... at this point it is how they use this time to find out where she is that matters.

[sickntired]

But....but....but


And Ron claims that the "man in black" story is BS cooked up by Crystal and Geraldo.

I don't think Greg was "learned about" until the Cobra story, otherwise he would have been interviewed 6 weeks ago and not just the other day.

JMO though.

SNIPPED QUOTE FOR SPACE

If Greg was just learned about....why wouldn't Ron have brought this up to police? You would betcha I would bring up every little thing that had happened around the time my child disappeared.

JMO
WWKLS

[odyssey]

Probably unrelated but I am linking this news story because it would seem the tattoos on this "person of interest" would really stick out. Has anyone here who has read through bookings lately read of any distinguishing marks that look like this?

http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=102720&provider=top

[TxLady2]

I know you didn't direct this at me, but I don't think Crystal's mom would ever let that happen... she just kinda strikes me as someone who REALLY does not like Ron...but that is jmo.

Anything new at all...

And Ron's family seens to REALLY not like Crystal, it seems to me.
I don't think they want or need to get back together as a couple, but they do have a bond because of the two children they have together. And it would be beneficial to Haleigh and Jr. for the two of them to put aside their differences and work together to find Haleigh, both their familes included.

[Peaches]

Does anyone know what Ron has been up to at all? I don't see him helping out with Crystal & crew, or would he?

jmo


MOO is that Ron's attorney will tell him what to do ........... and what not to do............

[Peaches]

I kwym Ocean, just have a hard time invisioning it. I think that as tragic as Haleigh's disappearance is, it is allowing Crystal to step up to being an active mom, gaining more independence and fighting to find Haleigh. I see Crystal as evolving by the day and hopefully, she will gain much strength in doing so. I'm not altogether convinced that her wedding will take place. This has to put a lot of strain on her relationship with chad, will she even move back home or will she reside in Satsuma from now on? Even if they do find Haleigh, will she continue to live there to be closer to jr? One can only hope.

jmo


One good thing that I read about the HaLeigh Bug Foundation is that it plans to help Crystal with schooling so that she can obtain employment ........in order to support herself and her child so that she does not have to depend on others.............or something along these lines.

moo

[Peaches]

And Ron's family seens to REALLY not like Crystal, it seems to me.
I don't think they want or need to get back together as a couple, but they do have a bond because of the two children they have together. And it would be beneficial to Haleigh and Jr. for the two of them to put aside their differences and work together to find Haleigh, both their familes included.



For the sake of their children.........their grandchildren, all these adults need to put Ron Jr and HaLeigh first.

Also, remember that Crystal has another child that must be given respect by all these adults too.

Children are NOT responsible for the decisions of any of the adults that love them................and I have always been of the opinion that the more people to love your babies, the better off they are.

moo

[KKKKKKatie]

why is it so dead in here?

There was a hearing in the Casey Anthony case this morning....lots of people are over there

[teresa]

I think it was in one of the articles that Lynn posted (could be wrong-but someone posted it today) and it said that they were making plans for searches near the area where Joe was staying...........with groups of 10 each.

Hopefully.............the will find something!...........anything!

HaLeigh deserves the attention of all those who love her............they need to focus on bringing this baby home. Hopefully.........they will find her alive! That is my sincere prayer!

Peaches and everyone, hi! Bring Haleigh home.

Last night, I did a lot of re-reading of old articles. In one, it talked about Cousin Joe and said that a car in Tennessee had been confiscated. I knew that I had read that Joe came down by car and I thought it was with someone else also, but I'm not positive on that.

I didn't save the article and with so many reports all over the place, it may not even be accurate. Does anyone remember reading that? I thought I bookmarked it but I had so much computer trouble yesterday and did lots of cleanup and now I don't have it.

And, in TJ Harts, I believe, writeup, they did have a short press conference yesterday and he noted a different reaction in the new press officer when he was asked about Cousin Joe.

[KKKKKKatie]

and there's not much new to go on in this case right now, IMO. The Anhony thing is whole nother pot......what a media circus, hope this one never turns out that way.

Me too ocean!! But it sure seems to be going in that direction IMO :sad:

[mariah79]

Like I said, I would hope they will join in on any search for this child. My heart aches for her.

I hope the family doesn't go out searching but is involved with the search. Like by manning the command center.

[Peaches]

wow that's fabulous news, she will be able to stand on her own two feet, and find some independence. Then her mama won't be able to tell her what to do all the time, she can just gently suggest other options, LOL. The state her has some really good programs for women to help them do just that!


Yes..............and maybe give her self-confidence which is a good thing for everyone to have..............

MOO is for many of us, the way out has been through education and determination............for me it was my determination that my children would at least get a college degree..........

OT.........has anyone seen Doctor J?

[teresa]

Viking, I was thinking last night about how, if Misty wasn't in the picture as the new wife, how this catastrophe might have re-united Ron and Crystal, brough them close togther again and maybe given them another chance at a real relationship, and a family for little Haleigh and Jr. Wishful thinnking, I guess, but looking at them together, they make a great couple, and.........I don't know what I mean. I guess I wish they would have another shot at making things happy, and right, KWIM?

I feel the same way. Of course, if Misty wasn't involved, Haleigh might not be gone, depending on if Misty was irresponsible and let something happen.

[Rushbo]

They have not done any searches as of yet. I think they are in the planning stage and I do hope Ronald and family will join in with any searches. I will be disappointed if not.

I have been told by locals that Crystal and her family have been performing boat searches.

[mariah79]

I know you didn't direct this at me, but I don't think Crystal's mom would ever let that happen... she just kinda strikes me as someone who REALLY does not like Ron...but that is jmo.

Anything new at all...

Add to that that Crystal has had a baby with another man(that is before Misti came into the picture). That is a deal breaker for a lot of men.

[Rushbo]

I was so glad to see JVM discussing the TJ Hart / Cobra interview that was previusly posted on Sky97.3.
Apparenly WBG has been interviewed by the police and has taken a polygraph.
In addition, according to locals in the area, the two PIs on site have opened up many avenues. Le'ts pray this breaks soon, and little Haleigh is found.

[IlliniFan]

I missed JVM last night..

Did one of the reporters imply "G" might have been at the trailer that night? (Haleigh disappeared)

If so, I wonder if Misty would have let him in via the back door? Which might account for it being unlocked...

tia

[Rushbo]

If Crystal is getting herself together now, I doubt that she would be entertaining any thoughts of going back to that situation, after all she left him. Prolly was never a deal maker.IMO

IMO, Crystal would never be interested in Ronald. The poor battered girl has finally come into her own.

[teresa]

Whew, I found it

Police will not comment on the specifics of their investigation. They will say they have questioned every family member. We have also learned a car was confiscated in Tennessee, which is where Misty’s cousin lives.

http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/Missing-Girl-s-Grandmother-Talks-About-Suspicious/RnLAsZ1TMkauL5S_7_x17A.cspx

This is the same reporter that got the van story mixed up regarding who called who about the scratches, etc. so it may not even be correct.

[Rushbo]

First sentence about Haleigh in last night's JVM:
"Then stunning news in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings. Authorities reportedly investigating a mysterious man known as Greg. He is alleged to have been with Misty the very night Haleigh vanished. Could this be a massive break in the case?"

Link to last night's show:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/24/ijvm.01.html

[Rushbo]

For some reason, I thought JO flew home to TN.

Will see if I can find the link.

[IlliniFan]

First sentence about Haleigh in last night's JVM:
"Then stunning news in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings. Authorities reportedly investigating a mysterious man known as Greg. He is alleged to have been with Misty the very night Haleigh vanished. Could this be a massive break in the case?"

Link to last night's show:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/24/ijvm.01.html


Well, that's interesting.

Thanks....

[Peaches]

Whew, I found it

Police will not comment on the specifics of their investigation. They will say they have questioned every family member. We have also learned a car was confiscated in Tennessee, which is where Misty’s cousin lives.

http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/Missing-Girl-s-Grandmother-Talks-About-Suspicious/RnLAsZ1TMkauL5S_7_x17A.cspx

This is the same reporter that got the van story mixed up regarding who called who about the scratches, etc. so it may not even be correct.



Thanks for this information. I am happy to see that LE is still on the case...........and things are happening.

Hello...........FA.

Maybe, my thoughts too............that Ronald could be given the opportunity of schooling so that he can better prepare himself to support his family. Also, there are many parenting classes/anger mangement classes he could be offered..............good ones.

I think that Ronald has come a long way in controlling his angry. moo For instance..............GR comes to mind. Many here would not have been so calm with the mike showed in their faces. moo

Hope for HaLeigh!

Who has the boats being used by Crystal and family???????? Do they have special equipment? Do they have divers? BTW.........my hope is she is not in the water.

[Peaches]

For some reason, I thought JO flew home to TN.

Will see if I can find the link.


We read that on this bb yesterday, I think..............but I for one am not sure when he left..............or how he left.

[Rushbo]

We read that on this bb yesterday, I think..............but I for one am not sure when he left..............or how he left.

My gut feeling is that JO had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Until LE states something different, I am going with my feeling that Misty & family just threw his name out there as a diversion.

JMO.

[teresa]

Here are the reporter's "notes" on the press conference yesterday:

"SUMMARY: Lt. Greenwood was very professional and as open and as he could be regarding the questions asked. He appeared to react somewhat excitedly in regards to the question involving the "relative" associated with the "the van." "

I think this is TJ Hart's notes but I can't find his name on it. He (Greenwood) was also asked about any new people being investigated but he wouldn't answer.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

If it turns out that Cousin Joe OR this Greg guy had any impact on Haleigh's disappearance, I am going to be really upset. They have known about Joe since day one and the "tips" about Misty being gone with someone else that weekend were very early on in this investigation.

[Rushbo]

Yes..............and maybe give her self-confidence which is a good thing for everyone to have..............

MOO is for many of us, the way out has been through education and determination............for me it was my determination that my children would at least get a college degree..........

OT.........has anyone seen Doctor J?

I thought about Doctor J last night when JVM was covering the Cobra tape with TJ Hart.

[teresa]

Oh gosh, I just realized, if Misty was involved with Greg right before Haleigh went missing this will throw a whole new spin on things if she is pregnant. That poor girl, she never really had a chance, IMO. I'd like to bring her home with me, put her back in school, yank those cigarettes out of her mouth, let her walk on the beach......and hug her. I want to hug all of them today, and tell them I am praying with them. I'm an old softie. I hope Haleigh comes home to her mom and dad and brother soon.

What a kind thing to say oceanviewnan. I have a 17 year old and I know what you mean.

[Peaches]

Oh gosh, I just realized, if Misty was involved with Greg right before Haleigh went missing this will throw a whole new spin on things if she is pregnant. That poor girl, she never really had a chance, IMO. I'd like to bring her home with me, put her back in school, yank those cigarettes out of her mouth, let her walk on the beach......and hug her. I want to hug all of them today, and tell them I am praying with them. I'm an old softie. I hope Haleigh comes home to her mom and dad and brother soon.


Oceanviewnan, I so agree with you!

Misty needs help even if she is not involved with HaLeigh's disappearance. She does need and education. If she will not go to high school she should train for a career. There are many she could enter............

AND........you are correct. Those cigarettes must go!

[CANDYKISSES]

First sentence about Haleigh in last night's JVM:
"Then stunning news in the search for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings. Authorities reportedly investigating a mysterious man known as Greg. He is alleged to have been with Misty the very night Haleigh vanished. Could this be a massive break in the case?"

Link to last night's show:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/24/ijvm.01.html


From the link above, I can see how reluctant Hart is to offer any MORE SPECULATION for sure. One of these days, the rumor mill is going to face a legal conundrum IMOO. :sneaky:


ALSO From the transcript:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I guess what I`m asking is did the cops know about this Greg? Does he really exist? Could this be another fiction and another wild goose chase?

HART: Actually, we have it confirmed through Putnam County Sheriff`s Office. The contact had been made with this young man named Greg, but they`re not going any further in saying anything about this, other than it is an ongoing investigation. So we do have some confirmation that things are moving at least in that direction and probably in several others.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, does this dove tail in any way with what little Ron Jr. said about the person who he claimed he saw abduct little Haleigh?

HART: Actually, we have it confirmed through Putnam County Sheriff`s Office. The contact had been made with this young man named Greg, but they`re not going any further in saying anything about this, other than it is an ongoing investigation. So we do have some confirmation that things are moving at least in that direction and probably in several others.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, does this dove tail in any way with what little Ron Jr. said about the person who he claimed he saw abduct little Haleigh?

HART: It could, but that is up to speculation at this point, and I`m not willing to speculate. I`m just getting a report on facts that this moment.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, where is this guy? If he exists, if this guy Greg was there that night, if he could be a crucial aspect to this case, I would assume that cops have done everything in their power to track him down. Has he been interviewed?

HART: He`s a local person, and he has been contacted. So we`re going on the assumption that he has been interviewed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So is he considered a person of interest? Yes or no.

HART: This is what the police are saying. I can`t tell you that today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Say that again.

HART: Those were the exact words today when I got off the phone with them, "We cannot tell you that today."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got it. T.J., please come back soon. Love your reporting.

[Rushbo]

But wouldn't that mean they were definately trying to cover something up, if they were trying to divert the investigation?

IMO, Yes that is what it would mean.

At the top of my personal list of suspicious characters in Haleigh's disappearance: (1) Misty; (2) Ron; (3) SO. I pray that I am wrong in this.

Also JMO, from everything that "appears" to be in the investigative process, it looks to me like Craig and Geraldo Rivera were on the right track at the very beginning. NG may have to do some backpedaling.

MOO - just want to see Haleigh found.

[heidi]

Misty's Mom didn't help Misty's story, IMO, she seemed to contradict the constantly changing story Misty has been telling.

mo

I agree she only wanted her moment of FAME.:cursing::wub:

[heidi]

:rolleyes:Wm. Straub plans to head up searches and follow thenew leads. Beginning of the article.

Since this Saturday search is the only one publically announced, I would say Cobra is at the forefront.

Do you know of any other searches planned?
moo

I am so pleased another search is underway.
I am a 73 year old great grandmother and if it were possible I would be there joining the search
If this were my family we would not sleep some of us would be searching every day until nightfall.
It will be interesting to see if RON joins the search:glare:

[IlliniFan]

I agree that Misty's Mom didn't exactly staighten out the many inconsistencies.

However, I don't think her mom was looking for the limelight, though. I'm sure the accusations and comments made against her daughter are hurtful.

If Misty is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, I don't think her family would know. I sure don't think she would admit it to them.

Mentioning Joe's name might be a diversion, but I don't think they are covering anything up. I just don't think Misty would tell them if she was involved in some way..imo

[Peaches]

IMO, Yes that is what it would mean.

At the top of my personal list of suspicious characters in Haleigh's disappearance: (1) Misty; (2) Ron; (3) SO. I pray that I am wrong in this.

Also JMO, from everything that "appears" to be in the investigative process, it looks to me like Craig and Geraldo Rivera were on the right track at the very beginning. NG may have to do some backpedaling.

MOO - just want to see Haleigh found.


Not me.............I do not think that Ron hurt his child. Also, I hope that Misty did not.

BTW................they have confiscated a car in Tennessee in connection with Joe.

I think that Geraldo Rivera is a JERK.............

all moo

[Peaches]

I agree she only wanted her moment of FAME.:cursing::wub:


I can not see why she would want to be on tv at all.............she was only tell what she thought see had been told.

Can no one get their stories together????????????

Her interview means nothing in this investigation. moo

[Peaches]

I would have to say IMO 1. Misty 2. SO (really really REALLY hope not) and 3. Ron (accidentally) 4. stranger abduction because they really wanted a little princess of their "own" (I know that sounds stupid, but it would mean she is alive and well)

NG backpedal? I hope I get to see that show.



I love Nancy Grace..............she is always for the victim............sooooooooooooo moo is she is for HaLeigh .............not one else.

:rose: For Macon, GA's Nancy Grace!!!

:rose::rose: For HaLeigh and those who love her!

[Lynn Gweeny]

Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/#more-1372

Listening to the vigil video and reading the article, it sounds to me that the article 'misquotes' what Cobra actually says @2:30.

In the article:

“Matthew asked me, ‘Dad, if one of us went missing, would you look as hard as you’re looking for Haleigh,’ and I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘WHAT?’ And I told him, ‘Son, you know I’d be tearing the place up. I’d put a gun to the head of anyone who knew where you were until they coughed it up.’

In the video @2:30:

...."gun in the MOUTH"...

Didn't COBRA just say this the other day in the radio interview?:

"Hey we can't go like than man, there will be a time to go kickin in doors and all that stuff. Ronald goes "Man I am going home and stick that pistol in her mouth and be done with it."

(snip)

"Shes derailed the whole investigation by her lying and I didn't want Ronald to blow her head off, and now the whole damn family is messed up.

So to avoid that, and make sure that we didn't have that, we went and did a wellness check

I'm just wondering how this whole GUN IN THE MOUTH statement went from COBRA saying it at the vigil and then he says in the radio interview that it was something RON said. Thoughts???

[Peaches]

[QUOTE=CANDYKISSES;12931689]From the link above, I can see how reluctant Hart is to offer any MORE SPECULATION for sure. One of these days, the rumor mill is going to face a legal conundrum IMOO. :sneaky:

..................Sniped.............

I can not believe all the dirt being slung at Misty. She is a 17 year old girl who has not been given much of a chance at life it seems.

If ALL that is being said about this young woman is not true, I hope that whoever has been speading it has to give her money to relocate.

If Misty or any of her family is reading this.............please get yourself an attorney....................

Even if all of you have to pool your money, get an attorney for Misty. She needs it NOW.............moo

[teresa]

Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/#more-1372

Listening to the vigil video and reading the article, it sounds to me that the article 'misquotes' what Cobra actually says @2:30.

In the article:

“Matthew asked me, ‘Dad, if one of us went missing, would you look as hard as you’re looking for Haleigh,’ and I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘WHAT?’ And I told him, ‘Son, you know I’d be tearing the place up. I’d put a gun to the head of anyone who knew where you were until they coughed it up.’

In the video @2:30:

...."gun in the MOUTH"...

Didn't COBRA just say this the other day in the radio interview?:

"Hey we can't go like than man, there will be a time to go kickin in doors and all that stuff. Ronald goes "Man I am going home and stick that pistol in her mouth and be done with it."

(snip)

"Shes derailed the whole investigation by her lying and I didn't want Ronald to blow her head off, and now the whole damn family is messed up.

So to avoid that, and make sure that we didn't have that, we went and did a wellness check

I'm just wondering how this whole GUN IN THE MOUTH statement went from COBRA saying it at the vigil and then he says in the radio interview that it was something RON said. Thoughts???

Lynn, it's just another example of mistakes made in reporting in this case. I realize there have been misstatements made, but some of it is just in the way it is reported. The van is a perfect example. Anyone who read only the initial, and wrong, article on Chelsea and the van still thinks that Misty was the one who drove it and called Chelsea about the scratch when it was Lindsay who did that.

[?noanswer]

Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/#more-1372

Listening to the vigil video and reading the article, it sounds to me that the article 'misquotes' what Cobra actually says @2:30.

In the article:

“Matthew asked me, ‘Dad, if one of us went missing, would you look as hard as you’re looking for Haleigh,’ and I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘WHAT?’ And I told him, ‘Son, you know I’d be tearing the place up. I’d put a gun to the head of anyone who knew where you were until they coughed it up.’

In the video @2:30:

...."gun in the MOUTH"...

Didn't COBRA just say this the other day in the radio interview?:

"Hey we can't go like than man, there will be a time to go kickin in doors and all that stuff. Ronald goes "Man I am going home and stick that pistol in her mouth and be done with it."

(snip)

"Shes derailed the whole investigation by her lying and I didn't want Ronald to blow her head off, and now the whole damn family is messed up.

So to avoid that, and make sure that we didn't have that, we went and did a wellness check

I'm just wondering how this whole GUN IN THE MOUTH statement went from COBRA saying it at the vigil and then he says in the radio interview that it was something RON said. Thoughts???

I didn't read the AH article, but IIRC in the video where "Cobra" was speaking, he said that he told the story about his son to RC, then later RC said the same thing. Said he guessed RC got it from him. JMO

[IlliniFan]

Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/#more-1372

Listening to the vigil video and reading the article, it sounds to me that the article 'misquotes' what Cobra actually says @2:30.

In the article:

“Matthew asked me, ‘Dad, if one of us went missing, would you look as hard as you’re looking for Haleigh,’ and I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘WHAT?’ And I told him, ‘Son, you know I’d be tearing the place up. I’d put a gun to the head of anyone who knew where you were until they coughed it up.’

In the video @2:30:

...."gun in the MOUTH"...

Didn't COBRA just say this the other day in the radio interview?:

"Hey we can't go like than man, there will be a time to go kickin in doors and all that stuff. Ronald goes "Man I am going home and stick that pistol in her mouth and be done with it."

(snip)

"Shes derailed the whole investigation by her lying and I didn't want Ronald to blow her head off, and now the whole damn family is messed up.

So to avoid that, and make sure that we didn't have that, we went and did a wellness check

I'm just wondering how this whole GUN IN THE MOUTH statement went from COBRA saying it at the vigil and then he says in the radio interview that it was something RON said. Thoughts???

Which statement came first? The gun in the mouth comment at the vigil, or the one on the radio that Cobra attributed to Ron?

[Lynn Gweeny]

Lynn, it's just another example of mistakes made in reporting in this case. I realize there have been misstatements made, but some of it is just in the way it is reported. The van is a perfect example. Anyone who read only the initial, and wrong, article on Chelsea and the van still thinks that Misty was the one who drove it and called Chelsea about the scratch when it was Lindsay who did that.

My concern after watching the vigil video with COBRA speaking is wondering if in his radio interview he may have puffed up a bit and attributed what HE said in the vigil to it being Ron saying that about 'gun in mouth' in his meeting with RON. I just don't know because unfortunately, we have no AUDIO of Ron saying those words.

It just caught my attention because those words were uttered and heard ON VIDEO being made by COBRA. I just would have liked to hear those words actually uttered by RON himself instead of COBRA saying so in a radio interview, just as I would if he or someone else in this case attributed words or phrases to CRYSTAL without audio/video.

It just made me pause to hear the SAME phrase out of his mouth attributed to RON. It also didn't help to see a seasoned reporter, in his written article, misquote what was said in the video. Just made me go HUH? JMO

[?noanswer]

My concern after watching the vigil video with COBRA speaking is wondering if in his radio interview he may have puffed up a bit and attributed what HE said in the vigil to it being Ron saying that about 'gun in mouth' in his meeting with RON. I just don't know because unfortunately, we have no AUDIO of Ron saying those words.

It just caught my attention because those words were uttered and heard ON VIDEO being made by COBRA. I just would have liked to hear those words actually uttered by RON himself instead of COBRA saying so in a radio interview, just as I would if he or someone else in this case attributed words or phrases to CRYSTAL without audio/video.

It just made me pause to hear the SAME phrase out of his mouth attributed to RON. It also didn't help to see a seasoned reporter, in his written article, misquote what was said in the video. Just made me go HUH? JMO

Until I see more proof, I'm not too inclined to believe this story that "Cobra" recited. I just get this feeling that he wants to become a "regular" on some show like LP has done on NG. JMO

[teresa]

My concern after watching the vigil video with COBRA speaking is wondering if in his radio interview he may have puffed up a bit and attributed what HE said in the vigil to it being Ron saying that about 'gun in mouth' in his meeting with RON. I just don't know because unfortunately, we have no AUDIO of Ron saying those words.

It just caught my attention because those words were uttered and heard ON VIDEO being made by COBRA. I just would have liked to hear those words actually uttered by RON himself instead of COBRA saying so in a radio interview, just as I would if he or someone else in this case attributed words or phrases to CRYSTAL without audio/video.

It just made me pause to hear the SAME phrase out of his mouth attributed to RON. It also didn't help to see a seasoned reporter, in his written article, misquote what was said in the video. Just made me go HUH? JMO

I think Cobra isn't above exaggerating, for sure. He did say that in one week he caught up with the five weeks worth of work of the FBI, local and state LE. I don't believe that for a minute. That doesn't mean he hasn't found any new info, but I don't believe he knows everything LE knows either.

[bookie]

Until I see more proof, I'm not too inclined to believe this story that "Cobra" recited. I just get this feeling that he wants to become a "regular" on some show like LP has done on NG. JMO



I agree. I think this one saw the mileage LP got from the Caylee case and thought here was his chance to get 15 minutes of fame.

[crymeariver2006]

Here are the reporter's "notes" on the press conference yesterday:

"SUMMARY: Lt. Greenwood was very professional and as open and as he could be regarding the questions asked. He appeared to react somewhat excitedly in regards to the question involving the "relative" associated with the "the van." "

I think this is TJ Hart's notes but I can't find his name on it. He (Greenwood) was also asked about any new people being investigated but he wouldn't answer.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

If it turns out that Cousin Joe OR this Greg guy had any impact on Haleigh's disappearance, I am going to be really upset. They have known about Joe since day one and the "tips" about Misty being gone with someone else that weekend were very early on in this investigation.

How do we know they knew about Joe or Greg from Day 1?

If Misty nor Ron ever mentioned them on Day 1, how would they have found out unless Misty or Ron mentioned them to somebody else?

[rosieposett]

why is it so dead in here?

Only 4 pages of transcript. I am all caught up. WOW.

[teresa]

How do we know they knew about Joe or Greg from Day 1?

If Misty nor Ron ever mentioned them on Day 1, how would they have found out unless Misty or Ron mentioned them to somebody else?

Well, I exaggerated like Cobra! :laugh: Day one on Joe...I meant that we knew about Joe long before Misty's parents visited LE. We heard right after this case hit the news about a cousin and a fight or argument. We also heard, during the second week I think, about tips called in that Misty wasn't home that night. This is in legitimate news and also by the "local" posters before they started getting their posts hidden.

[emdragon]

Of course he'd be caught up sam, I agree with you. It wouldn't take years for Cobra to be caught up, all he had to do was read the reports and talk to people.

For the record, I do believe Cobra's sincere and wouldn't exaggerate the story, to me Cobra comes off as calling a spade a spade. He knows Misty is key to solving this case.

jmo

Right he is all caught up and knows everything LE knows because after all we all know LE shares everything with the local PI :rolleyes:

[CC I See]

why is it so dead in here?

...maybe people are posting somewhere else.:wink:

[bookie]

Right he is all caught up and knows everything LE knows because after all we all know LE shares everything with the local PI :rolleyes:


He's not even a local PI. He's from Miami.

[heidi]

:smile:Exactly!!!

I agree,let's do not bash the one person who seems to be getting some info that might solve this.
I feel certain the type people involved there will tell him things LE would not be able to learn from the low lifes around there.
Please let's give him the benefit of the doubt.What do we care if he gets a little fame from it all perhaps this will encourage him as well as other PIs to help in cases such as this.:crying:

[emdragon]

He's not even a local PI. He's from Miami.

Good point.

I just don't see how people think he is going to come in and and solve the case when he doesn't have any of the evidence or information that LE does.

He can come in and keep his name in the news by adding to the gossip and poor reporting and I don't see how that will help Haleigh at all.

[bookie]

Good point.

I just don't see how people think he is going to come in and and solve the case when he doesn't have any of the evidence or information that LE does.

He can come in and keep his name in the news by adding to the gossip and poor reporting and I don't see how that will help Haleigh at all.



The type of people he might attract may not tell the truth. They might make up something that sounds good for the promise of money.

[IlliniFan]

I'm praying that Haleigh is alive, but so much time has passed that I'm afraid this will have a tragic outcome..

I don't think Crystal, Ron, or any family should be searching. Not now. As much as I hate to say this, it's possible one of them might find her remains (i know awful to think about).

No parent's last memory of their child should be finding their remains..

There are flyers that can be handed out, etc.


imo..let other people do the searching, they can help in other ways.

[Peaches]

My concern after watching the vigil video with COBRA speaking is wondering if in his radio interview he may have puffed up a bit and attributed what HE said in the vigil to it being Ron saying that about 'gun in mouth' in his meeting with RON. I just don't know because unfortunately, we have no AUDIO of Ron saying those words.

It just caught my attention because those words were uttered and heard ON VIDEO being made by COBRA. I just would have liked to hear those words actually uttered by RON himself instead of COBRA saying so in a radio interview, just as I would if he or someone else in this case attributed words or phrases to CRYSTAL without audio/video.

It just made me pause to hear the SAME phrase out of his mouth attributed to RON. It also didn't help to see a seasoned reporter, in his written article, misquote what was said in the video. Just made me go HUH? JMO


Exactly, we do not know what really was said....when and by whom.

[CC I See]

I'm praying that Haleigh is alive, but so much time has passed that I'm afraid this will have a tragic outcome..

I don't think Crystal, Ron, or any family should be searching. Not now. As much as I hate to say this, it's possible one of them might find her remains (i know awful to think about).

No parent's last memory of their child should be finding their remains..

There are flyers that can be handed out, etc.


imo..let other people do the searching, they can help in other ways..... I think that if the family wants to search they should be able to do so. They are going to have to deal with what is found when that happens sooner or later.

[sickntired]

I think that Geraldo Rivera is a JERK.............

all moo

:beer: Why don't you tell us how you really feel....don't hold back now, it's not good to keep it all inside. LOL :D

[gordon24fan]

good day everyone, im new here and been reading you guys since yesturday.
I have one question, when this story first came out i read somewhere how Ron got home and was suprised to see Misty awake but then a couple of days ago i read somewhere else (dont remember where) that Misty called Ron to let him know and he rushed home, wich one is it? Anyone knows

[Owlface]

You know one thing that really bothers me in this case.

I have heard A LOT about " Education " - for example, maybe Ron needs to get a better education so he can make more money...WHAT???.......If Ron is doing the type of work I think he is doing, he is making more then my own son in law - that has a college education. Just because the man get's his hands dirty, cut up, etc. ( like my hubby) doesn't mean the man does not make some money.

My writing is one of my worst quality's, but ....imo...just because the people on both sides of the family doesn't have a college degree and yes, maybe not even a high school diploma ....it would not make one once of difference for the reason Halaigh went missing.

I agree an education is important and when my son that is in college gets that little attitude....lol....I always tell him...there's " book " smart and there is " common sence" smart. I prefer the " common sence" imo...lol.

I think acting like this family ( both sides ) are " DUMB" and " uneducated" is just as hurtful to them as some other things that have been said about them.
I don't care about any of the family's education - I care about, are they out searching for Haleigh?...are they calling the police daily with any little detail they can think of?...and the list could go on and on...that is what I care about. In my opinion they are all " smart " enough to be doing this.

MOO

Bolding mine - I totally agree with you.

And, being able to accurately relate facts about one did in a 12 hour span or so the night before doesn't take intelligence or an education. I believe the reason that Misty wasn't able to do so was because she did not want to tell the truth about what she was doing during that time span and she wasn't able to keep her lies straight.

[teresa]

*There Was No Fight It Was an Incident* says Theresa Neves.

http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/Missing-Girl-s-Grandmother-Talks-About-Suspicious/RnLAsZ1TMkauL5S_7_x17A.cspx

Correct me if I am wrong, a few weeks ago didn't Theresa say there WAS a fight?

moo

I think it's just terminology Swar. I tell my husband not to fight with his daughter when I really mean argue. Maybe we'll find out someday if it was a physical or verbal "incident".

[teresa]

good day everyone, im new here and been reading you guys since yesturday.
I have one question, when this story first came out i read somewhere how Ron got home and was suprised to see Misty awake but then a couple of days ago i read somewhere else (dont remember where) that Misty called Ron to let him know and he rushed home, wich one is it? Anyone knows

You probably read that on Art Harris' site? Several of us have asked him to correct it. Though, you may be thinking of where he said she was calling him as he neared the driveway and didn't answer because he was nearly there.

[?noanswer]

Right he is all caught up and knows everything LE knows because after all we all know LE shares everything with the local PI :rolleyes:

I'm thinking he may have read all the message boards & newspapers along with watching all the TV programs. He really hasn't come up with anything that has not been discussed in these formats. JMO

[emdragon]

*There Was No Fight It Was an Incident* says Theresa Neves.

http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/Missing-Girl-s-Grandmother-Talks-About-Suspicious/RnLAsZ1TMkauL5S_7_x17A.cspx

Correct me if I am wrong, a few weeks ago didn't Theresa say there WAS a fight?

moo

Right and her definition of the word "fight" maybe the same as an argument- we have already established that was most likely the issue with her statement and Ron's.

I say I got in a fight with my husband all the time but I don't mean a physical altercation, I mean an argument.

[crymeariver2006]

*There Was No Fight It Was an Incident* says Theresa Neves.

http://www.cbs47.com/mostpopular/story/Missing-Girl-s-Grandmother-Talks-About-Suspicious/RnLAsZ1TMkauL5S_7_x17A.cspx

Correct me if I am wrong, a few weeks ago didn't Theresa say there WAS a fight?

moo

You are correct. Both TN and Crystal Cummings (Ron's sister) talked about the fight and said it was with Joe the Cousin and they were told by Misty that JTC was a pedophile. It was all on the same program IIRC.

Misty's parents reitereated the same thing, adding that JTC stood on the porch and threatened Ron.

[teresa]

Yes and part of JR's story is that he was sleeping next to Haleigh. That could explain why he woke up.

Where did you read/see that? Do you mean next to her as in her on the bed next to the bed he was in or do you mean in the same bed?

[gordon24fan]

You probably read that on Art Harris' site? Several of us have asked him to correct it. Though, you may be thinking of where he said she was calling him as he neared the driveway and didn't answer because he was nearly there.

thanks for the info

[Peaches]

You know one thing that really bothers me in this case.

I have heard A LOT about " Education " - for example, maybe Ron needs to get a better education so he can make more money...WHAT???.......If Ron is doing the type of work I think he is doing, he is making more then my own son in law - that has a college education. Just because the man get's his hands dirty, cut up, etc. ( like my hubby) doesn't mean the man does not make some money.

My writing is one of my worst quality's, but ....imo...just because the people on both sides of the family doesn't have a college degree and yes, maybe not even a high school diploma ....it would not make one once of difference for the reason Halaigh went missing.

I agree an education is important and when my son that is in college gets that little attitude....lol....I always tell him...there's " book " smart and there is " common sence" smart. I prefer the " common sence" imo...lol.

I think acting like this family ( both sides ) are " DUMB" and " uneducated" is just as hurtful to them as some other things that have been said about them.

I don't care about any of the family's education - I care about, are they out searching for Haleigh?...are they calling the police daily with any little detail they can think of?...and the list could go on and on...that is what I care about. In my opinion they are all " smart " enough to be doing this.

MOO


Horse64...................

Sorry if I upset you about saying that I hope Crystal..........gets help with her education............She does not have to return to high school. She could become a hairdresser/a LPN/do something in computers/etc. This would be much better for her than working as a waitress.............not saying that being a waitress is bad because I know many who have done this. It would mean that she could have a salary she could depend on and plan a budget.

Also, with construction work so slow these days, I thought maybe Ron could do get a trade also...............a plumber/a electrician/etc. They made good money and have jobs even when building slows down.

Everyone can see that Misty needs help so that she can become independent.....................

There is nothing wrong with working with the best tools given us by God. I love working in the dirt; and typing on this website; doing crafts............now, I hate housework but must use these hands to do that also.

When my daughter started working after her college education, she started with the same pay that I was making after working for this company for 25 years. Therefore, I know first hand that an education makes a difference.

I understand what you have said to your son because I told mine that I might not have their education but I did know enough to make sure they received one.

There are some that make it without an education.............but it is my opinion that education has never hurt any one.................NOW, don't everyone tell me about being over qualified for a job because I would rather be than than unqualified.

These are my very own opinions.................

BTW.............my grandfather taught all of us that any job that is honest is honorable. I have lived by this rule all of my life.....as have my children.

Peace!

[Peaches]

I think it's just terminology Swar. I tell my husband not to fight with his daughter when I really mean argue. Maybe we'll find out someday if it was a physical or verbal "incident".



And..............since she was not present at the time of whatever went on................she was only repeating what she heard. Stories grow sometimes when retold.

moo

[joyzzce]

The type of people he might attract may not tell the truth. They might make up something that sounds good for the promise of money.

The people he might also attract are some people that are hiding something in their closet. They cant come to LE and Media as their entire background and records are all scrutinize. Let's face it - the background of these families and their neighbors/community are not that great...drugs could be involved - there are some SO ( maybe ) ALL IMO.

[joyzzce]

You are correct. Both TN and Crystal Cummings (Ron's sister) talked about the fight and said it was with Joe the Cousin and they were told by Misty that JTC was a pedophile. It was all on the same program IIRC.

Misty's parents reitereated the same thing, adding that JTC stood on the porch and threatened Ron.

I agree - this is what ived read too in some articles. IMO

[bookie]

.... I think that if the family wants to search they should be able to do so. They are going to have to deal with what is found when that happens sooner or later.



They don't have to see it though. They can remember Haleigh the way she was, not the way she is when she's found if she has been dead the whole time.

[bookie]

good day everyone, im new here and been reading you guys since yesturday.
I have one question, when this story first came out i read somewhere how Ron got home and was suprised to see Misty awake but then a couple of days ago i read somewhere else (dont remember where) that Misty called Ron to let him know and he rushed home, wich one is it? Anyone knows



Misti tried to call Ron. He said he didn't answer because he was pulling into the driveway. I think it was JVM who said Ron rushed home and that was false.

[bookie]

The people he might also attract are some people that are hiding something in their closet. They cant come to LE and Media as their entire background and records are all scrutinize. Let's face it - the background of these families and their neighbors/community are not that great...drugs could be involved - there are some SO ( maybe ) ALL IMO.


Which is why most areas have some type of Crime Stoppers tip lines. People can give information and remain anonymous.

Sorry but Lenny Padilla brought nothing to the Caylee case and I don't see this joker bringing anything to the Haleigh case.

[crymeariver2006]

Was Ron there when JTC supposidly threaten him? Did Joe and Ron see one another again, before Joe left town? What I mean is prior to Haleigh disappearing.

moo

I think Joe was still in town and over at Misty's parents' house. That's how I understood it. I don't think Ron was there.

Of course to hear them tell it, it was like a scene right out of "High Noon".

[crymeariver2006]

Which begs the question....

If JTC was such a raging pedophile (according to Misty), how is it that he wasn't allowed at Ron's house any more BECAUSE OF A STOLEN GUN?

[Peaches]

I think Joe was still in town and over at Misty's parents' house. That's how I understood it. I don't think Ron was there.

Of course to hear them tell it, it was like a scene right out of "High Noon".


And I thought he was staying with Misty's brother and his wife. That is how he could have gotten the van............????????????

Anyone?????????

[Peaches]

I would like to say, I have really enjoyed your post today. You have gave me a few things to think about, that I had not thought about in the past.

Peaches..I am just saying..." education" imo has nothing to do with finding Haleigh..imo...and who knows..waitress's make good money too..maybe Crystal enjoys that kind of work.

I have a question that has been bothering me..any opinions on this?

Ron has stressed that Haleigh is afraid of the dark.

I don't have a link...I am just going by memory..so, please someone correct me if I am wrong.

Hasn't it been stated, that they slept with all the lights off?

Well, I would think if a child was afraid of the dark, they would have some type of light on at night.

I know we keep a light on in the house, just in case someone gets up in the middle of the night.

I don't know what to think of this...but, it bugs me for some reason.


horse...............I read that Haleigh Bug ??? was going to have money to help with Crystal's education. That is where this came from...........one of the links someone posted today.

I was only reporting that ............... and some think it is a good idea BTW.

Also, I know that an education for those involved will not help find HaLeigh................I truly am that educated.

:laugh:

[IlliniFan]

I would like to say, I have really enjoyed your post today. You have gave me a few things to think about, that I had not thought about in the past.

Peaches..I am just saying..." education" imo has nothing to do with finding Haleigh..imo...and who knows..waitress's make good money too..maybe Crystal enjoys that kind of work.

I have a question that has been bothering me..any opinions on this?

Ron has stressed that Haleigh is afraid of the dark.

I don't have a link...I am just going by memory..so, please someone correct me if I am wrong.

Hasn't it been stated, that they slept with all the lights off?

Well, I would think if a child was afraid of the dark, they would have some type of light on at night.

I know we keep a light on in the house, just in case someone gets up in the middle of the night.

I don't know what to think of this...but, it bugs me for some reason.

Hi,

I suppose it's possible there was a nightlight in the bedroom. But I recall that someone said the Haleigh wouldn't wonder off at night because she was afraid of the dark. But, I also recall that she was afraid of the water, yet I've seen many pictures of her splashing in the water, and certainly not looking scared....

I think it's hopeless to try and figure out when and what Misty, Jr. and Haleigh were doing and when they went to bed...or what time they went to bed. Heck, for all we know the kids were up and Misty was asleep. I thought in one rendition Misty stated falling asleep while Jr. was walking out of the bedroom???

If someone else came in and took Haleigh, then, imo that door was left unlocked..I really don't think someone picked the locks. It's possible they entered through the front door, though. I just can't figure out why Misty can't put into sequence the movements of she and the children that night....

[IlliniFan]

And I thought he was staying with Misty's brother and his wife. That is how he could have gotten the van............????????????

Anyone?????????

See, I thought he was staying in Crescent City w/Misty's SIL???

It's hard to make sense of things when we have practically no facts.....

[crymeariver2006]

See, I thought he was staying in Crescent City w/Misty's SIL???

It's hard to make sense of things when we have practically no facts.....

Misty has two brothers. One lives on the street (or a couple of streets) behind Ron and Misty's house.

The other brother lives in Crescent City.

[odyssey]

:smile:

I agree,let's do not bash the one person who seems to be getting some info that might solve this.
I feel certain the type people involved there will tell him things LE would not be able to learn from the low lifes around there.
Please let's give him the benefit of the doubt.What do we care if he gets a little fame from it all perhaps this will encourage him as well as other PIs to help in cases such as this.:crying:

Hey i got an idea .. let's do not bash ANYBODY. We have not walked in the shoes of ANY of these people so let's just see what we can do with the facts and what we know without belittling ANYONE until ALL the evidence is in.
This is not directed specifically to heidi .. just a good jumping off point.

[bama__angel]

Hi,

I suppose it's possible there was a nightlight in the bedroom. But I recall that someone said the Haleigh wouldn't wonder off at night because she was afraid of the dark. But, I also recall that she was afraid of the water, yet I've seen many pictures of her splashing in the water, and certainly not looking scared....

I think it's hopeless to try and figure out when and what Misty, Jr. and Haleigh were doing and when they went to bed...or what time they went to bed. Heck, for all we know the kids were up and Misty was asleep. I thought in one rendition Misty stated falling asleep while Jr. was walking out of the bedroom???

If someone else came in and took Haleigh, then, imo that door was left unlocked..I really don't think someone picked the locks. It's possible they entered through the front door, though. I just can't figure out why Misty can't put into sequence the movements of she and the children that night....


I think the door was left unlocked also........Someone after Ron left for work went out and came back in or came in and went back out and the door was never locked.......I still believe that this child was taken by someone who knew this family and knew Ron was working...This person waited for the perfect time to take Haleigh and so he/she had to have been watching Haleigh for some time.....

It is so frightening for me to believe that a 5 year old can simply vanish off the face of the earth without a trace....I pray that LE has some evidence......Can anyone be that smart or lucky to take a child and leave nothing behind?

My prayers for the safety of all our children....and my prayer for Haleigh is to not be hurting and scared now.....

[Peaches]

See, I thought he was staying in Crescent City w/Misty's SIL???

It's hard to make sense of things when we have practically no facts.....


You are correct................Misty's brother and His wife who is Misty's SIL.

[?noanswer]

See, I thought he was staying in Crescent City w/Misty's SIL???

It's hard to make sense of things when we have practically no facts.....

I bet LE is saying the same thing!!!! JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Right he is all caught up and knows everything LE knows because after all we all know LE shares everything with the local PI :rolleyes:


Hi EM, I totally agree with your post. I can only speak for myself and others who have voiced their opinion on COBRA and his lack of professionalism.

We have relatives who are both private detectives and have a company they own and manage. Both were appalled at the audio and thought perhaps it was Ron trying to pull a fast one, and maybe he was trying to find out if Cobra really had anything, whether he was working in the best interest of finding Haleigh and not trying to obtain any info he could for Crystal regarding the custody issue. We have to remember, it's still unclear just who is paying for his services IMO.

I think LE in this case were/are aware of whatever Misty might have been up to prior to Cobra coming on the scene and that just maybe things were still not adding up given Hart's reluctance to spread any more gossip, but that's JMO. :sneaky:

[CANDYKISSES]

The type of people he might attract may not tell the truth. They might make up something that sounds good for the promise of money.

I think that's a reasonable thought given some of the things we've read about thusfar. :sad:

IF there are planned searches, I continue to hope for a live Haleigh to be found.:wub: JMO

[kitty1182]

o.k. now I 've scared mayself Mad LE interviewed both of these guys Did they clear them? Do they have solid alibis? Are they going to come back in a month like they did for the door and realize they missed something? Maybe Cobra needs to stay there. I hope he bullies Greg until he knows how long he was there and maybe he could fly to Tenn and question Jo the cousin. This poor child...

The cousin and Misty both are still on my hinky meter!!

[CANDYKISSES]

Exclusive: Cobra Inside Haleigh Prayer Vigil

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/25/exclusive-cobra-inside-haleigh-prayer-vigil/#more-1372

Listening to the vigil video and reading the article, it sounds to me that the article 'misquotes' what Cobra actually says @2:30.

In the article:

“Matthew asked me, ‘Dad, if one of us went missing, would you look as hard as you’re looking for Haleigh,’ and I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘WHAT?’ And I told him, ‘Son, you know I’d be tearing the place up. I’d put a gun to the head of anyone who knew where you were until they coughed it up.’

In the video @2:30:

...."gun in the MOUTH"...

Didn't COBRA just say this the other day in the radio interview?:

"Hey we can't go like than man, there will be a time to go kickin in doors and all that stuff. Ronald goes "Man I am going home and stick that pistol in her mouth and be done with it."

(snip)

"Shes derailed the whole investigation by her lying and I didn't want Ronald to blow her head off, and now the whole damn family is messed up.

So to avoid that, and make sure that we didn't have that, we went and did a wellness check

I'm just wondering how this whole GUN IN THE MOUTH statement went from COBRA saying it at the vigil and then he says in the radio interview that it was something RON said. Thoughts???

Lynn, I hate to snip anything you have posted. IT only gets worse if you dissect the audio interview and the interpretation originally done. Then the people who are getting alerts via twitter etc... are all repeating that as fact. Now that is sad IMO. I find there are many inconsistencies and by and large I think Cobra is quite the BSer if he gets the stage. I'll bet when Ron didn't call him back, he was beyond irritated, and if you think back Misty was allegedly at the vigil when Ron and Cobra had stepped out for a bite to eat IIRC. I can't remember who she left with. So the idea they were prepping for a DO OVER of that night and Misty walked away just ain't so IMO. IF you believe Cobra, they parted ways where the vigil was held in listening to the tape. Sometimes it's more about what we think we know that just ain't so and less about what we think we know (myself included) IMO.

Come on he was wound so tight he was really trying to beef up his story because there wasn't one IMO. I don't think he knows anything LE doesn't know unless it's the super-duper secret Ron allegedly told him, so very personal....confirmed only by Cobra. I think the local LE in that area don't want a repeat of what happened in Orange County and are still being careful but CONCISE in their steps. :mellow: JMO

[Peaches]

well at the time it was probably pretty big drama for them, little did they know what real drama was lurking right around the corner, making all their family spats and finger pointing and name calling over whatever look like pure child's play. Little did they know that thrie family as they knew it, disfunctional as it might seem to some, it was still their family life, one they created, was about to be blown out of the water and aired on national tv. They aren't the most brilliant or trustworthy people around but they are far, far, FAR from being the scum of the earth, and in one moment bam! Their daughter is gone and everyone is pointing fingers because of underage girls, drug charges, unpaid child support, custody battles, fights with relatives.....things that literally happen in households across the country every day.

I feel for them, but I sure do wish Misty would come clean about whatever she is hiding, and face the consequences, whatever they might be.


I agree with everything you have said here. And, I love your signature line.

[teresa]

This earlier video also speaks of a *fight* from family members. So, hmmm, I don't know if its terminology or not.

That being said, at an early mark of this video, Ron's neighbor, Paul Poppin tells the reporter he believed Misty was home that night as he noticed the burgandy car was there. (Burgandy being my word, as I don't know what model the car is.).


moo

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=3

Swar is must be that NY vs the south thing again. We always say fight for argument.

Thank you so much for that video! I have wondered for six weeks who that burgundy car belonged to. At least we can assume she had access to a vehicle. I would guess/hope LE checked it out. Thanks!

[teresa]

The cousin and Misty both are still on my hinky meter!!

Mine too. And like Tree Tree, I can't let go of that van even if LE did return it and not keep it for evidence.

[teresa]

Yes, she had stated in the beginning that there was a fight. (In Ron's first interview his right knuckles looked cut up). It was never indicated before that this took place a couple of weeks before Haleigh went missing. No mention of the gun being in a ditch in this story. Ron got it back, she says. The written report with this new story is ..well...inconsistent with the video portion.

Did Teresa seem almost in tears? Not to me, she didn't. And she didn't help Ron out by talking about "beating" some one out of the door. (Strange way of putting it, yet violent none the less)

She is already throwing her new daughter-in-law under the bus, right along with Misty's family. Misty has said this cousin has "messed" with her. Teresa, her new mother-in-law, states that if they knew the kind of person this cousin was they wouldn't have let someone like that around her grandchildren.

Cold. How come the truth keeps changing?

Why doesn't this mom ever hold her son accountable for anything?

These are my impressions and opinions.



I read/saw/heard it was two weeks prior. Also, that is the same reporter who messed up the van interview with Chelsea so I don't trust him.

[crymeariver2006]

teresa, I don't think that is unusual at all. Once they gather all the evidence it can be released. Remember Casey Anthony car was released back to family.

It was? When did that happen?

[Lynn Gweeny]

Lawyer for Haleigh’s mom reveals investigation details

http://www2.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/032509haleighs_mom_reveals_investigation_details

[cat3]

Was Ron there when JTC supposidly threaten him? Did Joe and Ron see one another again, before Joe left town? What I mean is prior to Haleigh disappearing.

moo

I'm confused.Who is JTC? I thought Joe's last name started with an O,or is this another person you all are talking about with intials JTC?

Any word on Chad R the SO that turned up missing about the same time as Haleigh? IMO

[teresa]

teresa, I don't think that is unusual at all. Once they gather all the evidence it can be released. Remember Casey Anthony car was released back to family.

Oh, I thought they still had it (Casey's). I would think any evidence of Haleigh's hair etc inside the van could have come from anytime. I was wondering if they had evidence from outside the van but I would think they'd have to keep it for proof.

[cat3]

Jo the cousin


But doesn't his last name start with an O,or am I thinking of the wrong person? IMO

[cat3]

JTC Joe The Cousin lol

Oh okay.Thanks for clearing that up.It doesn't take much to confuse me,and I thought I had missed something.lol

[teresa]

Lawyer for Haleigh’s mom reveals investigation details

http://www2.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/032509haleighs_mom_reveals_investigation_details

It bothers me that more than one expert interviewed Jr and according to his GGM (I know) they told her he was inconsistent. Jr/Crystal told this story (without the black man part) after we heard rumors that Misty wasn't alone or left that night. Anyone, correct me if my sequence is wrong.

Also, if you read the transcript of JVM, Crystal first says she didn't ask him any questions and then later says " I ask him, remember the black, I mean the man in black" (my paraphrase) so I don't know how much he is just going along with a theory of Crystal. I guess only the professional child experts know.

[joyzzce]

Swar is must be that NY vs the south thing again. We always say fight for argument.

Thank you so much for that video! I have wondered for six weeks who that burgundy car belonged to. At least we can assume she had access to a vehicle. I would guess/hope LE checked it out. Thanks!

I think it doesnt matter if there is a fight or argument or event or incident -- the point is Joe was there , a gun was involved and Ron said on TV that cousin isnt there? Is he referring to cousin Joe as well? Then if he's the same cousin, why would he say that he isnt there?

[teresa]

I think it doesnt matter if there is a fight or argument or event or incident -- the point is Joe was there , a gun was involved and Ron said on TV that cousin isnt there? Is he referring to cousin Joe as well? Then if he's the same cousin, why would he say that he isnt there?

He's saying Joe was not there the night something happened to Haleigh, not that he was never there.

[joyzzce]

He's saying Joe was not there the night something happened to Haleigh, not that he was never there.

when did the fight or incident happen?

[teresa]

I understand what you are saying but is it coincedence that he or they said black man before it came out that misty was actually with a black man.

I don't know. If Crystal implied so to Jr I'm sure he wanted to please his upset mommy so I don't know what to believe about Jr. If Crystal heard the rumors about Misty being away or having company, I am sure she heard who it was, wouldn't you think? Cobra didn't just pull that man out the air, someone had to tell him...probably the same one telling Crystal.

I have to run to the doctor. Find Haleigh while I'm gone! If my BP is way up, I'll know why.

[joyzzce]

I understand what you are saying but is it coincedence that he or they said black man before it came out that misty was actually with a black man.

i agree. JR statement came in first before greg's stories came out... and guess what.... ron knew about this greg before but he said that JR's "black man story" was garbage and was being fed only by his mother.... i dont understand why would he say about the story about this black man being garbage when he knew about "misty and greg " - but i guess maybe he's also trying to protect Haleigh and if she's alive and she's with these people then maybe keeping them out of the media - then Haleigh have more chances of coming home alive. IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I wonder why the couch was bouncing?

Besides the obvious lol could it be a fight/struggle between Misty and this person? (If any of it is true)

[joyzzce]

I wonder why the couch was bouncing?


I dont want to say the 3 letter word because my other name ( babes ) was temp banned because of that word lol - but that is what i think... if you know what am talking about...

[Mel]

IMO, her polygraphs have been inconclusive. All of them.

But she thinks they're so good they're hanging in the Polygraph Hall of Fame.

:laugh:
...

[Mel]

What is needed more than anything at this point is several teams of cadaver dogs since humans can walk right by and not sense evidence or remains.... but this takes either volunteer canine teams or paid canine teams. Hopefully there is enough in the donation pot left to cover the paid teams if none of the volunteer teams are available. It all has to do with priorities.

you are absolutely right!

[Mel]

I have been told by locals that Crystal and her family have been performing boat searches.

that's good news, imo..some actual searching!

[Mel]

My gut feeling is that JO had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Until LE states something different, I am going with my feeling that Misty & family just threw his name out there as a diversion.

JMO.

same gut feeling here also, Rushbo

[Mel]

thanks for the link to the JVM transcript, Rushbo!...i think i've caught up now..off to read the article:smile:

[Owlface]

Lawyer for Haleigh’s mom reveals investigation details

http://www2.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/032509haleighs_mom_reveals_investigation_details

“Just your typical sex drugs and rock and roll life style that is not conducive to raising children,” said Picazio.

Poor Crystal tried to bring up Ron's drug use at the custody hearing but without an attorney and the judge saying he wouldn't allow any hearsay (unheard of in my state at a civil hearing). she didn't have a chance. There should have been an investigation by a neutral third party at that time. Hopefully it will happen now, but perhaps it's too late (do I smell lawsuit?)

[crymeariver2006]

I agree.
Also who knew that Cousin Joe had an M/O for using concrete blocks in his crimes?

That must have been SOME belt loop!

Pfffft... more of Misty's tales. IMO

[doctor_J]

I wonder why the couch was bouncing?

This was such an obvious attempt by Crystal (I believe it was actually by Marie feeding Crystal what to say) to suggest Misti was having "intimate relationships" on the sofa. GAG. Could this be any more obvious? First man in black, then black man in black, and just to make sure she got her point across a "bouncing couch"
BTW- We don't KNOW Misti has ever been with anyone named Greg unless I've missed something. That only comes from William Struabs.

I feel sorry for any black man named Greg within 50 miles of Satsuma.

[MrLucky917B]

looks like JVM is going to play Cobra's tape or parts of it.

[Riverwalk!]

Has Kim Picazio ever talked about her previous relationship with Cobra?

[?noanswer]

JVM going to play "Cobra" tape. I wonder if he is having regrets putting this on tape. Had he given a verbal interview to the radio station, then perhaps all the talking heads would be having him on their show to tell the story. So far, he has not been able to replicate face time as did LP. JMO

[?noanswer]

Has Kim Picazio ever talked about her previous relationship with Cobra?

I haven't heard her talk about him. But I read somewhere that she represented him in his divorce. JMO

[doctor_J]

Reading this thread it sounds like the William Struabs (sp) story has been confirmed. Have I missed this?? Did he not show up after the victim advocate came to Crystal's rescue and started calling in resouces (lawyer, PI/bounty hunter) willing to work for the camera time?

[4Kids]

Exactly!
If you are going to rat out a relative and send LE to their door, why brag about it to the media???

Perhaps you are telling the media because LE won't take the lead seriously , TT. Just saying. I still like you....but we definitely disagree here. MOO

[?noanswer]

Reading this thread it sounds like the William Struabs (sp) story has been confirmed. Have I missed this?? Did he not show up after the victim advocate came to Crystal's rescue and started calling in resouces (lawyer, PI/bounty hunter) willing to work for the camera time.

The way I understood things happened was that CS's mom secured Wayanne Kruger as a Media rep, then K P was secured and WK abruptly left the scene. Then supposedly KP got the PI, "Cobra". And as they say, "the rest is history" - some of which is yet to be written. JMO

[Riverwalk!]

I haven't heard her talk about him. But I read somewhere that she represented him in his divorce. JMO

Before that. Divorce was 2006 from Catherine.

William Staubs and his wife Catherine sold property ($1.5 million) to Kim and her hubby Michael in 2003.

http://205.166.161.12/oncorev2/ShowDetails.aspx?CFN=102943958

[Peaches]

QUOTE=doctor_J;12933312]This was such an obvious attempt by Crystal (I believe it was actually by Marie feeding Crystal what to say) to suggest Misti was having "intimate relationships" on the sofa. GAG. Could this be any more obvious? First man in black, then black man in black, and just to make sure she got her point across a "bouncing couch"
BTW- We don't KNOW Misti has ever been with anyone named Greg unless I've missed something. That only comes from William Struabs.

I feel sorry for any black man named Greg within 50 miles of Satsuma.[/QUOTE]


Yes.................all you just said! :thumbsup:

BTW............I have missed you. :smile:

[doctor_J]

With all this blanket talk it sure does make me wonder.

If Crystal was going to put words in JR's mouth then it would be something to implicate Ron. I think she really wants to find Haleigh. I think Cobra really wants to find Haliegh. IMO, Misty is the one who appears to not want her found. I wonder why?????

30 hours of interview time, multiple LDT's, no lawyering up--How is it Misti "appears not to want her found"??

[Peaches]

Before that. Divorce was 2006 from Catherine.

William Staubs and his wife Catherine sold property ($1.5 million) to Kim and her hubby Michael in 2003.

http://205.166.161.12/oncorev2/ShowDetails.aspx?CFN=102943958


Looks as if they are pretty close...................:rolleyes:

[4Kids]

With all this blanket talk it sure does make me wonder.

If Crystal was going to put words in JR's mouth then it would be something to implicate Ron. I think she really wants to find Haleigh. I think Cobra really wants to find Haliegh. IMO, Misty is the one who appears to not want her found. I wonder why?????

I find it extremely odd that the couch moving info did not come out on Geraldo "I found Al Capone's Treasure" Rivera's show. Very odd. MOO

[?noanswer]

Before that. Divorce was 2006 from Catherine.

William Staubs and his wife Catherine sold property ($1.5 million) to Kim and her hubby Michael in 2003.

http://205.166.161.12/oncorev2/ShowDetails.aspx?CFN=102943958

I guess PI/lawyering must pay really good!! JMO

[doctor_J]

QUOTE=doctor_J;12933312]This was such an obvious attempt by Crystal (I believe it was actually by Marie feeding Crystal what to say) to suggest Misti was having "intimate relationships" on the sofa. GAG. Could this be any more obvious? First man in black, then black man in black, and just to make sure she got her point across a "bouncing couch"
BTW- We don't KNOW Misti has ever been with anyone named Greg unless I've missed something. That only comes from William Struabs.

I feel sorry for any black man named Greg within 50 miles of Satsuma.


Yes.................all you just said! :thumbsup:

BTW............I have missed you. :smile:[/QUOTE]
Thanks Peaches--computer virus has me shut down. Have to bum computer time. AND I go away one day and all of you get in trouble---lol

[4Kids]

Then I would have to wonder why LE is not taking this Joe story seriously.

Not sure TT. However, Cobra's arrival is indicative of the way I see things. LE did not lie when they said they were at square one. So therefore, why not check out Joe a little more carefully? MOO

[?noanswer]

I find it extremely odd that the couch moving info did not come out on Geraldo "I found Al Capone's Treasure" Rivera's show. Very odd. MOO

Seems the story evolves to reflects rumors as they develop. JMO

[Riverwalk!]

Looks as if they are pretty close...................:rolleyes:

Just IMO but Cobra and Kim should have stated right off the bat that they have known each other for 6+ years. Being upfront is always best instead of this "unknown" source stuff.

[Rushbo]

With all this blanket talk it sure does make me wonder.

If Crystal was going to put words in JR's mouth then it would be something to implicate Ron. I think she really wants to find Haleigh. I think Cobra really wants to find Haliegh. IMO, Misty is the one who appears to not want her found. I wonder why?????

Tree Tree, I share your opinion!

[TaraCrazyHair]

The lawyer also shared with us new details about what she said happened the night Haleigh was taken. She says Ronald Junior, Haleigh’s brother, woke up when a man came into the house to see Misty Croslin, Ronald Cummings then girlfriend.

“What he stated to his mother was that he saw a black man in black clothing take Haleigh…she asked him, if you were asleep Junior how could you have seen that if you were asleep? And he said well I woke up because the man had squeaky shoes…and the couch was bouncing,” said Picazio.

http://www2.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/032509haleighs_mom_reveals_investigation_details


Now, I find a couple things interesting here

It is claimed that a man came to the house to see Misty

Jr says he was a black man

Has Jr ever stated that Misty was awake since he came to see her? Or is it he recognized the man because he has been there before?

Cobra does his thing and we learn Ron knew Misty was seeing a white black man named Greg (not sure what the "white black man" means)

Misty stated recently that Jr got up as she was falling asleep ...

Ron says it is all crap (Jr seeing a black man or man in black)

All I can say is ... HUH?

[Peaches]

Yes.................all you just said! :thumbsup:

BTW............I have missed you. :smile:
Thanks Peaches--computer virus has me shut down. Have to bum computer time. AND I go away one day and all of you get in trouble---lol[/QUOTE]

Big time trouble...............a lot of time out!

Coming up soon more about Cobra on JVM............leading up said Misty will not cooperate with Cobra. Why should she?

LE is the only people she needs to make herself available...........and I am so hoping that she will get an attorney.

[4Kids]

Excellant point Tree, Crystal could have used any of a dozen things to level at Ron. Yet she didn't, just an innocuous comment that took on a life of its own when Ron and I think Theresa took exception to it.


moo

Hey Swaro. Nice to cybersee you. Crystal did use her ammo and did level it at Ron (drugs, abuse, etc.). I have come to the conclusion that this piece of info was more difficult to swallow due to the mode this comment was divulged that may have Theresa and Ron miffed. National TV with a toddler. MOO

[Riverwalk!]

I haven't heard her talk about him. But I read somewhere that she represented him in his divorce. JMO

More in Broward County on William Staubs or enter Kim Picazio's name.

http://205.166.161.12/oncoreV2/search.aspx?q=detail

[?noanswer]

The old saying "sweep around your own backdoor" comes to mind when I see CS & lawyer claiming drugs, etc. If the things I have seen on CS & her mother are true, she doesn't have any room to throw rocks. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Really, yet he forgets a flashlight.
It to me just looks staged. Too much detail.

I am really doubting Misty's mom story that Haleigh got up in the middle of the night and changed the DVD. I think Misty gave LE the wrong movie title and her mom is trying to clear that up. Not working!!

Yes JVM is going to be covering Cobra up soon.


I missed something .. ?

Wat is this about changing the dvd?

TIA

(:

[doctor_J]

Remember folks, we don't know Jr. has ever said anything except "yeah" and "uh huh". :rolleyes:

[?noanswer]

Well, JVM didn't give the "Cobra" interview much time!!! Spoke briefly to the reporter that did the interview and that was just about it. JMO

[?noanswer]

I missed something .. ?

Wat is this about changing the dvd?

TIA

(:

I think this is the video about the dvd.

http://www.artharris.com/

JMO

[doctor_J]

IMO, Misti's told a 30 sec. story for 30 hours to LE and many more to media. In all that, the only inconsistency I've heard is the pint shirt and she cleared that up as soon as they let her back in the house. The rest is all been conjecturing on the 30 sec. story and retelling it by media.

Still don't understand why LE did not find the pink shirt in all their forensic investigation. Not like it was hidden very well.

[crymeariver2006]

Ok, so they know each other, and?

An evil conspiracy?

:shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

:thumbup: You and your relatives are certainly correct in your assessment. I do not care if you are a sanitation worker; you can conduct yourself with some decorum and respect for other people. The way a person goes about getting a job done,even if not successful, goes a long way in the end. Decorum is a word each and every one of us who posts here should try to remember! I try and may slip occasionally, but I always strive to conduct myself in this way. JMO

OMG JustUs, did I really just hear HART on JVM stating he hasn't been able to reach COBRA for FOUR DAYS? :ohmy:

IF TRUE, need I say more as to his credibility in this case and what was really going on behind the scenes regarding his ALLEGED interview with RON and the release of "COBRA's INTERPRETATION"??????

JMOOC.

My opinion has only gotten a few rungs lower on the likes of COBRA. :sneaky:

[crymeariver2006]

Perhaps you are telling the media because LE won't take the lead seriously , TT. Just saying. I still like you....but we definitely disagree here. MOO

Kinda like the abuse allegations from Crystal?

JMO

[?noanswer]

OMG JustUs, did I really just hear HART on JVM stating he hasn't been able to reach COBRA for FOUR DAYS? :ohmy:

IF TRUE, need I say more as to his credibility in this case and what was really going on behind the scenes regarding his ALLEGED interview with RON and the release of "COBRA's INTERPRETATION"??????

JMOOC.

My opinion has only gotten a few rungs lower on the likes of COBRA. :sneaky:

Wonder what Jr's version is on the disapperance of "Cobra". JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Before that. Divorce was 2006 from Catherine.

William Staubs and his wife Catherine sold property ($1.5 million) to Kim and her hubby Michael in 2003.

http://205.166.161.12/oncorev2/ShowDetails.aspx?CFN=102943958

You are a GEM of a RESEARCHER Riverwalk! :wub:

No matter what it is, I'm amazed that you and LynnGweeny manage to find the connections with credible links to boot! Cheers to and for you two! :thumbsup:

JMO.

[odyssey]

nevermind i don't think the poster cared anyway so erasing this post

i do pray Haleigh is found soonest and the ones truly responsible are the only ones that truly end up paying.


jmoo

[Rushbo]

Before that. Divorce was 2006 from Catherine.

William Staubs and his wife Catherine sold property ($1.5 million) to Kim and her hubby Michael in 2003.

http://205.166.161.12/oncorev2/ShowDetails.aspx?CFN=102943958

Both Cobra and Kim are doing all they can for Haleigh, so they have my respect.

[CANDYKISSES]

30 hours of interview time, multiple LDT's, no lawyering up--How is it Misti "appears not to want her found"??

I have been wondering about this too. IF the inconsistencies involve some kind of past infidelity or current for that matter, I am thinking she couldn't be so naive she wouldn't know to seek legal counsel.

IMO she needs to retain an attorney and hopefully he/she can get through to whatever the stumbling block is, and the Cummings/Sheffield family will KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT if she wants to help find HALEIGH. :sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

Wonder what Jr's version is on the disapperance of "Cobra". JMO

How many M&M's do you have? IMO it appeared Junior was being fed some kind of candy while answering uh-huh and mmmm....for the Brothers Rivera, but that really is JMO. :sneaky:

[CC I See]

Both Cobra and Kim are doing all they can for Haleigh, so they have my respect.Mine too, it easy for people to criticize while sitting at their comfortable home typing on a computer, they should get to Florida and get a feel for what's really happening. Then they can say how credible or not the people in this investigation are.

[doctor_J]

You are a GEM of a RESEARCHER Riverwalk! :wub:

No matter what it is, I'm amazed that you and LynnGweeny manage to find the connections with credible links to boot! Cheers to and for you two! :thumbsup:

JMO.

:thumbsup: Agreed, Riverwalk and several others (u know who u are) keep us all informed and I would be lost without all of them!! Good job.Don't know how on earth u find the time to be so thorough but it is appreciated!

[crymeariver2006]

nevermind i don't think the poster cared anyway so erasing this post

i do pray Haleigh is found soonest and the ones truly responsible are the only ones that truly end up paying.

jmoo

*bolding mine

I don't think anybody can disagree with that!

[?noanswer]

How many M&M's do you have? IMO it appeared Junior was being fed some kind of candy while answering uh-huh and mmmm....for the Brothers Rivera, but that really is JMO. :sneaky:

He sure did not seem to be attuned to what was going on around him!! CS was doing most of the talking. JMO

[4Kids]

Kinda like the abuse allegations from Crystal?

JMO

All abuse allegations should be properly investigated. When did Crystal report abuse to LE? If they did not do their job...and invetigate the allegations, then I ask why? Did Crystal report abuse to LE of Haleigh when the black eye photo was taken? If so, do we have any records of the outcome? If Ron abused his children, then they should have been removed from his custody, plain and simple.

So yes. Investigate abuse.

Investigate all possible leads. I am not taking sides here Cry. Just waiting for some indication that LE has something. I haven't had a whole lot of confidence in them since calling off the ground search and the partial search of the dumptser. MOO

[forensicfan]

Now I am more confused than ever. How could this guy be lifting Haleigh off the bed while "bouncing" on the couch with Misti at the same time?

Provided the affair info is true, I have some questions:
1) Has this guy been located and questioned by LE?
2) What time did he typically come by?
3) When he did come by, were the kids ever awake and could they have been familiar with him?
5) Did he typically enter the home via the front door or back?
7) Did Misty meet him at the door and let him in or did he walk in freely?

Even an unknown assailant would have to have been watching the home and knew that Haleigh lived there. That person would have taken note of the families basic habits. IF he came by unannounced periodically and Misty left that back door unlocked "just in case" he did come by, it's entirely possible that someone might have anticipated that door being unlocked after the lights went out and all was quiet for a while.

Since it is documented that pedophiles are rarely sexually interested in adults, I'm having trouble believing that the man she was allegedly having an affair with would have been interested in Haleigh. I know that some pedophiles marry and have children of their own to keep up a facade of normalcy but I'm not sure how having an affair with someone who is living with someone else would factor into that. HOWEVER, it is not impossible and that also makes me wonder if maybe he WAS interested in Haleigh and maybe he did enter the home freely at night through an unlocked door. He would almost surely feel comfortable turning on the light in the kitchen as if anyone woke up, they would not be surprised to see him. He also could have told Misty that he was just moving Haleigh and then Junior to another room should Misty awaken while he was lifting her off of the bed.

[?noanswer]

According to KP and the PI they have the story down to a timeline up to 10:30, but leaves about 5 hrs. that are not accounted for. Are they saying that Misty's visitor left at 10:30? JMO

[doctor_J]

Both Cobra and Kim are doing all they can for Haleigh, so they have my respect.

I don't believe their motives are that noble (Kim and WS) but serendipitously their actions in stirring up dirt have kept this case in the forefront. Otherwise, it probably would have disappeared and gone cold. LE does not seem to want media attention. Maybe because they have no answers. I hope not. In any case, a single credible tip could break it wide open. Maybe the perp has loose lips eventually and brags then the reward may tempt a person who would not be tempted by civic duty or morality.

[?noanswer]

According to some posters there is a lot of information floating around Satsuma. Seems if someone had anything credible they would go to LE so they could collect the reward money. JMO

[4Kids]

None of us know how well LE checked out Joe OR this Greg guy.

None of us know anything other than what LE has stated. I can recall four things:

1. They are comfortable with Ron's alibi
2. They are uncomfortable with Misty's inconsistencies
3. They are no further along than they were on Day one
4. No one has been cleared

Not very reassuring IMHO.

[?noanswer]

None of us know how well LE checked out Joe OR this Greg guy.

For that matter, we don't know much of what LE has done. Supposedly they eleminated the van as being connected to Haleigh and they took the screen/storm door. They have received a lot of tips, but have not said if any seemed to be reliable (they did say, a lot was from disgruntled spouses).

I think they don't want to make a mistake and arrest someone before they have more evidence. Maybe they are looking at what happened in the KC case after she was arrested and lawyered up. JMO

[odyssey]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing if he(or maybe his agency?) is the 'other PI' that has been hired besides Cobra?

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

[crymeariver2006]

All abuse allegations should be properly investigated. When did Crystal report abuse to LE? If they did not do their job...and invetigate the allegations, then I ask why? Did Crystal report abuse to LE of Haleigh when the black eye photo was taken? If so, do we have any records of the outcome? If Ron abused his children, then they should have been removed from his custody, plain and simple.

So yes. Investigate abuse.

Investigate all possible leads. I am not taking sides here Cry. Just waiting for some indication that LE has something. I haven't had a whole lot of confidence in them since calling off the ground search and the partial search of the dumptser. MOO

LE admits that they have been to the Cummings house 3 times in the past 4 years to investigate allegations of abuse. They said that the investigation did not result in "criminal" charges. Key word here is "criminal". It is not a crime in FL to hit your child with sticks, switches, or belts - even if you leave marks on them. That, IMO, is why he was never charged.

That does not take into account the number of times DCF has been to the house, which has never been disclosed. However, DCF early on said that they had a file and in fact had made inquiries on the family, including Misty's name in there.

But WHEN did Misty report Joe The Cousin's visit to LE? IMO, it wasn't until after she, TN, and CC went public with the "fight" allegations and IIRC, Misty was picked up the very next day for more questioning.

But if some can believe that Misty told LE about him the first day and that her concerns weren't taken seriously, it's not hard to believe that Crystal's concerns about the abuse weren't taken seriously either - by the same LE entity at that.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing if he(or maybe his agency?) is the 'other PI' that has been hired besides Cobra?

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx


This is the first that I have seen connecting him to Haleigh. Seems he may still have his hands full with the CA case. He cancelled his interview with ZG's attorney today and has hired a lawyer! JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing if he(or maybe his agency?) is the 'other PI' that has been hired besides Cobra?

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

Personally....

I think Casey needs to be finished up with the Anthony case first - and his involvement in any alleged coverup or inside knowledge of where Caylee's remains might have been cleared up - before he goes with another high profile case being watched by people like us! :biggrin:

[CANDYKISSES]

Well, JVM didn't give the "Cobra" interview much time!!! Spoke briefly to the reporter that did the interview and that was just about it. JMO

I think JVM recognizes what she may be dealing with and I wish I could remember the type of investigation she alleged Cobra was conducting. She also seemed surprised and then not so much when Hart admitted he was unable to get in touch with COBRA now. :wink: JMO tho.

I don't think COBRA has impressed too many people out there IMOO. :unsure:

[4Kids]

LE admits that they have been to the Cummings house 3 times in the past 4 years to investigate allegations of abuse. They said that the investigation did not result in "criminal" charges. Key word here is "criminal". It is not a crime in FL to hit your child with sticks, switches, or belts - even if you leave marks on them. That, IMO, is why he was never charged.

That does not take into account the number of times DCF has been to the house, which has never been disclosed. However, DCF early on said that they had a file and in fact had made inquiries on the family, including Misty's name in there.

But WHEN did Misty report Joe The Cousin's visit to LE? IMO, it wasn't until after she, TN, and CC went public with the "fight" allegations and IIRC, Misty was picked up the very next day for more questioning.

But if some can believe that Misty told LE about him the first day and that her concerns weren't taken seriously, it's not hard to believe that Crystal's concerns about the abuse weren't taken seriously either - by the same LE entity at that.

JMO

But if some can believe....

Again. I am not taking sides. I am familiar with the DCF file. I am familiar with the allegations. I did not know the state of Florida allowed and permitted child abuse. MOO

[CANDYKISSES]

Just IMO but Cobra and Kim should have stated right off the bat that they have known each other for 6+ years. Being upfront is always best instead of this "unknown" source stuff.

I think Kim got in over her head with Nancy and perhaps took her for a woman who just stands behind all women period IMO. She was out of her league and it became abundantly clear when she had to answer about the bloodied pics that were non-existent IMO.

I'm glad NG handled that herself regarding holding Kim accountable for her OWN WORDS the night before. JMO and by no means any indication of condoning harming children, but it was clear Kim was putting on a show....or as she herself stated "strutting my stuff in family court" but it went down hill quickly when the big question came to her from my POV.

This whole story from Haleighbug.com to the purple building to Cobra seems a bit contrived IMOO. :thumbdown:

It has taken a life of its own and has detracted from looking for HALEIGH CUMMINGS IMO.

[crymeariver2006]

But if some can believe....

Again. I am not taking sides. I am familiar with the DCF file. I am familiar with the allegations. I did not know the state of Florida allowed and permitted child abuse. MOO

Somebody linked their statute the other day. Apparently, as long as you stop short of killing the child, it's not criminal.

I think using weapons on children is abuse, you probably think it is, but apparently in Florida it's not.

I always wondered why that Mark guy on HLN (the defense attorney) kept saying that even with the duct tape on Caylee, the state was going to have a hard time proving aggravated child abuse.

And then I saw the statute.

:sad:

[Rushbo]

I think JVM recognizes what she may be dealing with and I wish I could remember the type of investigation she alleged Cobra was conducting. She also seemed surprised and then not so much when Hart admitted he was unable to get in touch with COBRA now. :wink: JMO tho.

I don't think COBRA has impressed too many people out there IMOO. :unsure:

From what I have been told, Cobra has indeed impressed the community. I also do not think JVM would have covered Cobra's data 2 nights in a row if she did not believe it or if she had a problem with it. JMO.

[Rushbo]

I agree Rush and if they are only driven by their careers and publicity, then can you imagine what finding Haleigh would do for them? Putting out bogus info would seem counterproductive to their own cause.

Same with Crystal. No matter what anyone says or thinks about her, seems to me she really wants her daughter found. Otherwise she would just have given up and gone home. IMO, the Haleigh Bug Foundation is off to a good start!

Is it so hard for us to comprehend that there are people like many of us who really just want Haleigh found?

ITA about Crystal and the Haleigh Bug Foundation.

[4Kids]

:sad:Somebody linked their statute the other day. Apparently, as long as you stop short of killing the child, it's not criminal.

I think using weapons on children is abuse, you probably think it is, but apparently in Florida it's not.

I always wondered why that Mark guy on HLN (the defense attorney) kept saying that even with the duct tape on Caylee, the state was going to have a hard time proving aggravated child abuse.

And then I saw the statute.

:sad:

Sad is right. I will search for the statute. mOO

[teresa]

Then I would have to wonder why LE is not taking this Joe story seriously.

Well, they take him seriously enough to "unclear" him and to confiscate a car in Tennessee IF the article I linked today is correct. I trust nothing I read anymore.

[teresa]

“Just your typical sex drugs and rock and roll life style that is not conducive to raising children,” said Picazio.

Poor Crystal tried to bring up Ron's drug use at the custody hearing but without an attorney and the judge saying he wouldn't allow any hearsay (unheard of in my state at a civil hearing). she didn't have a chance. There should have been an investigation by a neutral third party at that time. Hopefully it will happen now, but perhaps it's too late (do I smell lawsuit?)

I know I'm behind, but I have been through three custody hearing (not mine) and they don't allow hearsay here either. Either the witness shows up or it is not admitted. Also, if you read the transcript, DCF had been to both Crystal's and Ron's before that hearing. I'm not saying the judge made the right decision (I don't know yet) but this is in the transcripts. She did get a lawyer at some point.

[teresa]

The old saying "sweep around your own backdoor" comes to mind when I see CS & lawyer claiming drugs, etc. If the things I have seen on CS & her mother are true, she doesn't have any room to throw rocks. JMO

I thought about that "he has been plying her with drugs since she was 14". Isn't that about the time of Marie's drug dwelling charges? Maybe Marie plied them both? If she was just 14, Ron was 15 1/2.

[CANDYKISSES]

The old saying "sweep around your own backdoor" comes to mind when I see CS & lawyer claiming drugs, etc. If the things I have seen on CS & her mother are true, she doesn't have any room to throw rocks. JMO

I think the transcript from Geraldo will be helpful too. It becomes increasingly clear to me that CS was really angry over the idea she was having to quit and that RC wouldn't have to quit using. JMO tho.

Since there are no witnesses and you can only go by what each reports as well as any possible drug tests and interviews with DCF, they could both be lying or either one could be telling the truth from my POV. :confused:

After seeing the comfort photo where CS is bent over a crying Ron, then seeing her come out swinging once people started offering criticism concerning the children, and now this battle royale to make his life hell while accusing him of things past and present, I might be wondering if she has the same MO some of the women calling tips in are alleged to have by the LE in Satsuma. :sad:

I hope not because it truly did take much focus off Haleigh CUMMINGS and IMO that in and of itself is a travesty. :crying:

[teresa]

According to some posters there is a lot of information floating around Satsuma. Seems if someone had anything credible they would go to LE so they could collect the reward money. JMO

Yes, I read today that Ron needed money to repay a drug dealer so bad that he sold Haleigh. :rolleyes: No wonder LE can't get anything done with people reporting stuff like this.

[teresa]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing if he(or maybe his agency?) is the 'other PI' that has been hired besides Cobra?

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

In her interview with Nancy (?) when she said the priority is now on Haleigh and gave her timeline, she said she had "a couple" of investigators. I wondered who the other one was. IMO in case I'm dreaming this up.

[rosieposett]

I know and every time I hear of what all they are doing it just gives more hope and life to this whole tragedy. Actions speak louder than words!! No matter what anyone has to say about Crystal, it cannot be denied, she is doing everything in her power to find her little girl and keep this story alive.

Yup. Crystal is moving mountains in my opinion. My hats off to her.

[Mel]

Yup. Crystal is moving mountains in my opinion. My hats off to her.

mine also:thumbup:

[Rushbo]

Yes, I read today that Ron needed money to repay a drug dealer so bad that he sold Haleigh. :rolleyes: No wonder LE can't get anything done with people reporting stuff like this.

where did you read that?

[teresa]

Kinda like the abuse allegations from Crystal?

JMO

cry, I think only DCF, not LE, investigated Ron prior to now. They had to ask DCF for their records.

"Harrell [DCF] says law enforcement contracted DCF about the investigation and it has given them the information"

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleighs-Family-Investigated-for-Abuse/zoutG7mWsUWPf-CQ6lPijA.cspx

[teresa]

where did you read that?

From another one of those "locals" who have infiltrated the internet.

[CANDYKISSES]

From what I have been told, Cobra has indeed impressed the community. I also do not think JVM would have covered Cobra's data 2 nights in a row if she did not believe it or if she had a problem with it. JMO.

That's what you were able to put together from this?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/24/ijvm.01.html

Just curious. I'm eager to see the transcript from this evening when she addressed this PI and his investigation not to mention when Hart admitted he can't even reach him now. JMO until the new transcript is up.

I think he's flying under the radar because he embarrassed himself in that interview as he stumbled through it. I still say he wasn't counting on the UNEDITED VERSION going up. JMO tho. I don't believe for a moment after hearing how excited he was at the sound of hearing himself talk that he is now playing hard to get....not in a million years for me. :glare:

I continue to pray for HALEIGH TO RETURN ALIVE AND WELL! :wub:

[CANDYKISSES]

From another one of those "locals" who have infiltrated the internet.

IF I didn't know better, I'd swear everyone packed up and headed to Satsuma. :scared: But unfortunately, I do know better and realize you can be just about anyone or anything on the internet, so I am not easily taken in by the second and third person hearsay given the opportunity to do the right thing in the case of a missing child if you really have info and want her and/or her abductor found. :unsure: JMO

[Rushbo]

From another one of those "locals" who have infiltrated the internet.

What's the link?
Thank you!

[teresa]

What's the link?
Thank you!

Just do a search. My computer isn't going back there. Rushbo, I don't believe a word of the these so called insiders. What is their motive for posting this stuff on little internet sites? One of the insiders moved to the other side of Florida less than a year ago from another state yet she claims to have developed contacts since the end of Feb that give her all the inside info. If these leaks were real and accurate, they would have made it to a reputable news agency by now.

It's like us posting our theories and then calling LE to report them as tips.

[?noanswer]

From another one of those "locals" who have infiltrated the internet.

A while back there was a "local" on another site that was supposedly talking directly to LE. Said the case would break any minute. The thread was moved to a private place so I don't know what happened as far as her "inside" connection. I don't think the case has broke yet. JMO

[Rushbo]

Just do a search. My computer isn't going back there. Rushbo, I don't believe a word of the these so called insiders. What is their motive for posting this stuff on little internet sites? One of the insiders moved to the other side of Florida less than a year ago from another state yet she claims to have developed contacts since the end of Feb that give her all the inside info. If these leaks were real and accurate, they would have made it to a reputable news agency by now.

It's like us posting our theories and then calling LE to report them as tips.

Thank you, Teresa. I am new to all of this, so I am not aware of other sites.

[Rushbo]

That's what you were able to put together from this?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/24/ijvm.01.html

Just curious. I'm eager to see the transcript from this evening when she addressed this PI and his investigation not to mention when Hart admitted he can't even reach him now. JMO until the new transcript is up.

I think he's flying under the radar because he embarrassed himself in that interview as he stumbled through it. I still say he wasn't counting on the UNEDITED VERSION going up. JMO tho. I don't believe for a moment after hearing how excited he was at the sound of hearing himself talk that he is now playing hard to get....not in a million years for me. :glare:

I continue to pray for HALEIGH TO RETURN ALIVE AND WELL! :wub:

Candy, I actually watched JVM both nights.

Hopefully, Cobra is investigating Haleigh's disappearance rather than granting continual interviews. JMO tho.

[JayC]

Does anyone know if JR said "black man in black" or simply "man in black"? I keep seeing both referenced. Also, I'm new obviously, but I keep seeing many people state their opinion followed by "IMO". Just wondering if there strong disagreements in the past, so many resortied to stressing its their opinion? Sorry, just curious.

[tinkerbell]

Does anyone know if JR said "black man in black" or simply "man in black"? I keep seeing both referenced. Also, I'm new obviously, but I keep seeing many people state their opinion followed by "IMO". Just wondering if there strong disagreements in the past, so many resortied to stressing its their opinion? Sorry, just curious.

Hi JayC and welcome!

I've heard both too and don't know if either account is factual. One thing I know with certainty is that Haleigh is still missing.

I believe that stating anything without a direct link is worth the IMO or MOO; indicating it is opinion only...

Again, welcome!

[teresa]

Does anyone know if JR said "black man in black" or simply "man in black"? I keep seeing both referenced. Also, I'm new obviously, but I keep seeing many people state their opinion followed by "IMO". Just wondering if there strong disagreements in the past, so many resortied to stressing its their opinion? Sorry, just curious.

SHEFFIELD: Well, I know for a fact my son told me that. I`m not lying. I did not ask him no questions.

The following weekend after Haleigh went missing I asked him no questions. As soon as I picked him up he said, "Mommy, I want to find my sissy. A man in black took her," and that is what he told me.

I swear I`m not lying. You can say I`m making it up if you want to. That`s fine. I -- I have no reason to lie. I want my daughter back, and that`s what my son told me. If it`s true or not, so be it. I mean, he told me that, and that`s my baby, so...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Crystal, just to understand, first we heard that he said a man in black took little Haleigh. Then apparently, we heard a couple of days later that he said a black man in black. Did his story change or did -- was it just an error in reporting?

SHEFFIELD: Well, at first he did say it was a man dressed in black. And then I asked him the following -- the two weeks later when I got him again I asked him about it. But I didn`t want to question him about it, because I know it`s hard on him enough. And I asked him about it and I was, like, "What about the black -- the person dressed in black." And he said it was a black man dressed in black, and he had squeaky shoes. And the I`m not lying. I have no reason to lie.
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This is where Crystal said he said it. It kind of sounded like a leading question to me.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/17/ijvm.01.html

[Peaches]

Well at first (we heard) JR said a "man in black" then in the next interview it changed to a "black man in black" I don't think we really know what JR said


LE interviewed Ron, Jr. right after HaLeigh was missing............so they probably have the truth about what he said......and they are not saying. I feel certain that they had someone who knew how to interview small children when this interview was conducted.

moo

[Peaches]

Kat, can you please provide a link where Haleigh was living in unclean deplorable living conditions and sleeping on urine soaked blankets and bed sheets. I just do not recall reading where that was the situation in the Cummings home. So, where on earth were these facts revealed? I've missed something and this is quite disturbing.
Thanks.
Emme


Thanks for your questions, L&L.

I know that HaLeigh had a bed because they showed her room.

This house would not be in a Home and Gardens magazine but that in no ways make it somewhere a child should not live.

Many of us have to thank God that being poor and not having "stuff" reveals we are living in deplorable conditions. Yes, the mattresses were on the floor and not on bedframes but from all accounts of those touring the house, it was clean.

Right at this moment, I do not think that Ron had anything to do with his daughters disappearance.....................and I think that Misty may know more than she is saying but I just can not see her hurting this child.

School officials have stated that HaLeigh was a very happy child and that they saw no signs of abuse.

Many people have "potty" mouths..........not good.........but it does not make you a person who would harm your child.

moo

[JayC]

Thanks for the welcome. And thanks for the explanation about the "IMO"; that makes perfect sense and I feel silly for asking now lol. Also, I agree that does sound like a leading question JR's mother gave him regarding the man in black.

[Peaches]

Thanks for the welcome. And thanks for the explanation about the "IMO"; that makes perfect sense and I feel silly for asking now lol. Also, I agree that does sound like a leading question JR's mother gave him regarding the man in black.

Welcome JayC.................

Jump on in............the water is warm....warning/sometimes it gets really HOT. :biggrin:

[Leather&Lace]

Thanks for your questions, L&L.

I know that HaLeigh had a bed because they showed her room.

This house would not be in a Home and Gardens magazine but that in no ways make it somewhere a child should not live.

Many of us have to thank God that being poor and not having "stuff" reveals we are living in deplorable conditions. Yes, the mattresses were on the floor and not on bedframes but from all accounts of those touring the house, it was clean.

Right at this moment, I do not think that Ron had anything to do with his daughters disappearance.....................and I think that Misty may know more than she is saying but I just can not see her hurting this child.

School officials have stated that HaLeigh was a very happy child and that they saw no signs of abuse.

Many people have "potty" mouths..........not good.........but it does not make you a person who would harm your child.

moo

One of my favorite pictures of Haleigh is the one with her dad "brushing teeth". That is just so sweet to me.
I do believe if the children were going to school dirty, poorly clothed, smelly and hungry the school would have reported that to DCF.
In the pictures I have seen of Haleigh & Junior, they look clean, happy and wearing cute little clothes.

JMO
Emme

[teresa]

Well, I just signed back in since this afternoon and I will be happy to give this PI,COBRA, all the credit he deserves if he breaks this case wide open. But I find his radio interview inappropriate in style and substance, and I have never seen someone interjecting themselves into such a dire situation and immediately give a "running,anecdotal account of their work" to the media when he first premises his presence there as a benevolent gesture and then says he has a backer who is financing him. And I just find it hard to believe that the "backer" took up the cause when his funds were exhausted. Maybe a media outlet,after his show of bravado and public interest, hired him to generate more press for them. IF he happens to find a sensational,local color,human interest drama or actually makes a break in the case, they have not wasted money either way. All right, I'll forget his "style" but his motivation for being there and not having enough money to sustain himself for the duration makes him suspect in my book. JMOO And I do not care if others feel comfortable with him there, That's your perogative. IMO

I feel the same way JustUs. I find his behavior distasteful but if he solves the case, I'll give him much credit. I just wonder why anyone wanting a confidential PI would hire him in the future.

[doctor_J]

Snipped a bit for space. My comments in green.

boy I am right there with you Kathy Rae. There is such a vile bigotry toward the poor and uneducated here. No compassion. Exaggeration of living conditions (I was pleasantly surprised at the neatness and cleanliness of the home, considering a young man and a teenager lived there with 2 kids. No way could Granny (s) have cleaned a drug addicts home in a few hours, or my son's bedroom for that matter. I make him keep door shut, lol)

My heart breaks for all of them. I admire Ron for fighting to raise and working hard to provide for his kids at the age of 21. Most young men abandon their young children these days if they never married their mom. Living in a trailor and sleeping on a mattress does not make an unfit parent. Neither does a switch to the leg (although I don't personally approve). We do know DCF has never removed the children for their living conditions or for abuse. He even paid more rent than necessary to meet their suggestion for 3 bedrooms. 4 people don't REQUIRE a 3 bedroom, 2 bath residence for good health. Many great people have raised more children successfully infar less room.

Where did the "Hayleigh was sleeping on a urine soaked blanket and linens" come from????? :confused:

[teresa]

I saw a few posts back that the subject of the marks on the children alleged to have been from a "stick or switch" is still being discussed. Again, and I hope you are not getting bored with my observations on DCF/ CPS, but I felt I needed to add a remark on this subject. OK, we know DCF is not perfect, but you must realize that at times the determination on a physical abuse complaint is subjective. One social worker may see a mark and assess that it is not to the level of abuse and another may think any mark on a child with hand or object is unacceptable. I for one always opened a case when marks either by hand or object,especially on a very young child, were present. With the volume of cases an agency has you do not always have a supervisor's review of the pictures or dictation. And some counties have active Solicitor's Offices (in SC other places DA) who want the Family Court to review all "founded" cases and others are only interested if LE or it is so severe that it cannot be ignored. I tried to get an immediate feel for the emotional and physical dynamics in of the caregivers and the setting. When there was any question in my mind, I opened a case hoping that at least a treatment team could make a plan that would alleviate any threat of further harm. I did not really care if it went to court and was dismissed. I hoped that the mere presence of our agency would at the least intimidate the abuser enough to think before they acted. Some situations slip through the cracks-the system does fail some children and it is not always the social worker's bad practices. CPS is a scary job! Just think if you slacked up or let one slide and the outcome was tragic! You have to have a conscience to do the job, not only good judgment. I am glad I am out of it. Things are only getting worse. Training and commitment of funds is lacking. I did not want to end a "victim" of a poor system! Isn't that sad when in my heart I wanted to make things better for children?

Nice post JustUs. I know you were very good at your job and it had to be hard on you. Thanks for educating us/me on how it works. It gives me a new appreciation for my neighbor who has that job as a single mom of 3. Her area covers 50 miles! She isn't the only one but that's still quite a workload.

[ruger]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing if he(or maybe his agency?) is the 'other PI' that has been hired besides Cobra?

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

odyssey, a cousin of Crystal's posted on another forum, she (the cousin) hired Dominic Casey 5 or 6 weeks ago ......... after having met him in Satsuma on 2/12, when he initially went there.

I'm shocked he would be involved in this case, what with the black cloud following him relative to the Caylee case. And, even more shocked anyone associated w/ the Haleigh case would entertain the thought of having him "work" the case. :confused:

[JasonsGranny]

I am new to this so I hope I do it right. There was discussion about a timeline, well on another site I read that earlier in the evening and night that Misty had tried numerous times to call Ron from her cell phone, the post stated that Ron never answered any of these calls but maybe that is one way the LE have put together a partial timeline by using these cell phone records and using the pings from cell towers as to the location of Misty, and IMO the LE are keeping this info and that is a reason no one has heard about cell phone records.

[teresa]

I am new to this so I hope I do it right. There was discussion about a timeline, well on another site I read that earlier in the evening and night that Misty had tried numerous times to call Ron from her cell phone, the post stated that Ron never answered any of these calls but maybe that is one way the LE have put together a partial timeline by using these cell phone records and using the pings from cell towers as to the location of Misty, and IMO the LE are keeping this info and that is a reason no one has heard about cell phone records.

Could be JasonsGranny. We know she tried to call him as he was driving up. It would be interesting if she tried earlier while he was still working. When I leave my phone in the car, I don't think to check it when I get back in the car. My phone doesn't do a continuous beep after a call. He may not have thought to look since he thought everyone was asleep. I'm just theorizing here...we don't have any info other than the one call. We won't ever know if there are no arrests because they won't release their records.

It's frustrating, isn't it?

[kkmiausa]

Who knows where the urine soaked bed story came from. Just gossip if I had to guess. Gossip originating on the forums and blogs...

:tonguewag: Our sons may be related....cause one kid-o-mine could be a real mess maker in his day.
His bedroom door was REQUIRED to be shut.

I've known a lot of people in brick and mortar homes and several in mobile homes in my time.
Dirty homes and abuse toward kids are not limited to those in the mobile homes.
Far from it. I too wonder where that started in this case...?

Ron does seem to be doing well by his children. Apparently he has been reported and investigated several times, yet the kids remain in his care...:shrug:
He must be doing something right.
I personally don't believe the abuse allegations. Spanking, yes... Abuse? Not so much IMHO.

Like you, I've seen dads who simply walk away rather than support their children.
I respect Ron for trying to do his best.

OT:
Also why do they call a mobile home a "trailer" and don't call a regular home a "framing and siding"?

Maybe a snub?

Whole other thread there I guess lol. I tend to lump them all together as 'houses', but thats just me.


What is your problem with the comment about urine soaked bed???? If the blanket that had covered Haleigh smelled like "pee" Misty's statement as to why she washed it, obviously the sheets HaLeigh laid in were soaked as well. Last I checked girls don't urinate upwards so it would only be on the blanket. That is the basis of the comment and an obvious assumption her bed was filthy,

[JasonsGranny]

Hardly any info given on tele tonight, if any new developements I guess LE want to keep them to themselves, which might be for the best for finding Haleigh, although it doesn't answer any of our inquiring minds that want to know. IMO.
Oh well, maybe she will be found tomorrow and end all our worries, it is in God's hands. Don't forget to say that special prayer before sleeping.

[rosieposett]

Hardly any info given on tele tonight, if any new developements I guess LE want to keep them to themselves, which might be for the best for finding Haleigh, although it doesn't answer any of our inquiring minds that want to know. IMO.
Oh well, maybe she will be found tomorrow and end all our worries, it is in God's hands. Don't forget to say that special prayer before sleeping.

Welcome Jasonsgranny. Said my prayer for Haleigh just now. Soon I pray she will be home.

[rosieposett]

New Thread:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=606

[CANDYKISSES]

Candy, I actually watched JVM both nights.

Hopefully, Cobra is investigating Haleigh's disappearance rather than granting continual interviews. JMO tho.

Given his excitement in dumping the trash with no verification and holes left suggesting much exaggeration, I believe he's laying low until something comes in that allows him to bypass any accountability.

I guess Ron's attorney could have contacted him too. That might have put a sock in his mouth and got him to workin' it off looking for Haleigh like he was supposed to be doing. JMO tho.

Now that we know there is a past connection with CS's attorney, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to surmise what's really been going on and I hope Ron left the ball bouncing in Cobra's court when he didn't return his call.

We know LE is aware of the information he claimed to be new, so I'll go with LE at this time. JMO again. :wink:

[crymeariver2006]

cry, I think only DCF, not LE, investigated Ron prior to now. They had to ask DCF for their records.

"Harrell [DCF] says law enforcement contracted DCF about the investigation and it has given them the information"

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleighs-Family-Investigated-for-Abuse/zoutG7mWsUWPf-CQ6lPijA.cspx

No, this was a later article. LE specifically said that they had investigated 3 times in the past four years.

I can go hunt up the link for you, but I don't usually pull stuff out of thin air.

I was shocked that they admitted it to tell you the truth.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

SHEFFIELD: Well, I know for a fact my son told me that. I`m not lying. I did not ask him no questions.

The following weekend after Haleigh went missing I asked him no questions. As soon as I picked him up he said, "Mommy, I want to find my sissy. A man in black took her," and that is what he told me.

I swear I`m not lying. You can say I`m making it up if you want to. That`s fine. I -- I have no reason to lie. I want my daughter back, and that`s what my son told me. If it`s true or not, so be it. I mean, he told me that, and that`s my baby, so...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Crystal, just to understand, first we heard that he said a man in black took little Haleigh. Then apparently, we heard a couple of days later that he said a black man in black. Did his story change or did -- was it just an error in reporting?

SHEFFIELD: Well, at first he did say it was a man dressed in black. And then I asked him the following -- the two weeks later when I got him again I asked him about it. But I didn`t want to question him about it, because I know it`s hard on him enough. And I asked him about it and I was, like, "What about the black -- the person dressed in black." And he said it was a black man dressed in black, and he had squeaky shoes. And the I`m not lying. I have no reason to lie.
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This is where Crystal said he said it. It kind of sounded like a leading question to me.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/17/ijvm.01.html

Ever since the Brothers Rivera became involved, I feel confident in saying the case turned into a mud slinging contest and I don't trust much that may have been coaxed out of Junior to please CS or anyone else for that matter. JMO tho and nothing more.

IF you believed everything JUNIOR ALLEGEDLY SAID, that means you believe Misty was present too. I am not convinced of anything yet and think there are a few smoke screens up right now.

The way I see the "black man dressed in black with squeaky shoes" is more of some town gossip Camp CS picked up on (possibly picked up by Craig Rivera for all I know) and fed to JUNIOR and he regurgitated back to CS. But again, JMO.

I don't buy it sliding out the side of Junior's mouth just like I don't think it was a decent thing to do when CS put Junior in the belly of the Lion on cable, but again JMO. :cursing:

BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME AND GIVE HER FAMILY A MIRACLE.:wub:

[rosieposett]

A new thread when everyone is ready.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/ne...ewthread&f=606

[FrankieBones1]

Kat, can you please provide a link where Haleigh was living in unclean deplorable living conditions and sleeping on urine soaked blankets and bed sheets. I just do not recall reading where that was the situation in the Cummings home. So, where on earth were these facts revealed? I've missed something and this is quite disturbing.
Thanks.
Emme

We certainly didn't hear it from law enforcement. We did hear about a blanket that Misty allegedly laundered that night. She may have said something about Haleigh wetting the bed. Again, nothing from LE.