Tuesday 3/24 Hope for Haleigh

[beachpatty]

Another day :(

I haven't caught up yet but thought I would make a thread for those who are.


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[rosieposett]

Another day :(

I haven't caught up yet but thought I would make a thread for those who are.


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

Thanks Patty for the new thread. I am still reading on the old thread but it's always nice to have a new thread available.

Come Home Haleigh, please.

[Texas48]

[QUOTE=beachpatty;12926598]Another day :(

I haven't caught up yet but thought I would make a thread for those who are.


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty[/QUOTEted]Morning patty..thought I would find you here and TY for getting ALL started.If you are like me you are NEVER caught up as hard as I try...So little hope left for this child patty. Too many days have passed and no results. :sad:indeed...

[MoonFlwr]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/haleigh-cummings-case-exclusive-misty-on-3-day-bender-with-lover-and-drugs/

:ohmy:

Thanks for the link, momofamarine!

(Thanks for the new thread Miss Patty :thumbup:)

[beachpatty]

:ohmy:

Thanks for the link, momofamarine!

(Thanks for the new thread Miss Patty :thumbup:)



Yes, thank you Momofamarine, you are awesome with the morning links!
Hiya Moonie, like ships passing in the night, as usual, but it always puts a smile on my face to "see' you!

Well, now that we know why Misty was "exhausted", maybe she will finally give up some more details. I bet there is way lots more to the entire scenerio than what she's said. Maybe more extenuating circumstances, like, who might be ticked off @ Misty or Ron, and why.

I only wish she would tell the WHOLE story, any events leading up to and during the night Haleigh vanished. Maybe a few more pieces will help to form a complete picture and even maybe point in directions that haven't been considered or investigated. Even if Misty is not directly involved in Haleigh's disappearance, withholding possibilities is just as bad, at this point, as being responsible. If Misty has more details, her not being forthcoming is extremely selfish, she has no right to remain silent, not when a precious little child is at stake.

MOO
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[rosieposett]

[QUOTE=beachpatty;12926598]Another day :(

I haven't caught up yet but thought I would make a thread for those who are.


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty[/QUOTEted]Morning patty..thought I would find you here and TY for getting ALL started.If you are like me you are NEVER caught up as hard as I try...So little hope left for this child patty. Too many days have passed and no results. ..

Good Morning. Yes, I agree,impossible to stay caught up. I love reading all the new links, then the threads.

I never wanted to say it, but lots of days have passed. :sad:

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Have we heard from Ron's attorney (s) yet? I remember seeing that one written statement but have they spoken out in public?

[kitty1182]

Good morning.

Where is this child?:sad:

[playnice]

I wonder if someone gave Misti the date rape drug the night Haleigh went missing and thats why her stories are inconsistant because its all foggy to her?

[Tornado]

IMOO- three days is a long time to leave a man that you are living with. Even in the midst of my worst arguments with my fiance, I have never left for three days and surely not to party with another man. RC seems to be well aware of the relationship going on with this other man- so if she left for three days, it is conceivable that she also went back out that Monday night, or that Page atleast came over that night.

[playnice]

That's entirely possible, and she may not even know it happened? Who would be the likely candidate, do you think?

Hard telling.
Does this Greg live within walking distance of Rons trailer?

[crymeariver2006]

http://www.artharris.com/

So, was there a movie watched or not?

Misty claims in the interview (the day she returned from NY) that Haleigh was in the master bedroom watching "Air Bud". Jr. wanted to watch "Madagascar" so she put him in the living room.

Now Misty's mother claims (in this interview BEFORE Misty returns from NY) that the movie Haleigh was watching was not in the DVD player when Misty got up.

So either the movie watching is all one big fat ruse, or we have a kidnapper who not only changes Haleigh's clothes, but takes the movie out of the DVD player too? Is that before or after he picks up Haleigh from floor level in the MB beside a sleeping Misty and Jr.?
JMO

[Tornado]

ITA! And if RC knew where she was why did he wait three days before he went an brought her back, or did she come back on her own?

IMO- Rumor has it that he had to track her down and bring her back. I would guess that Monday came and he needed a sitter so he went to go get her. It is quite possible that she was not done partying yet and continued after RC went to work.

Also if she put the kids to bed around 8- then more than likely the kids would have had to start a movie about 6:30- most Disney movies are about 1.5 hours long. Didn't grandma come by about 7:00 in the evening to drop off clothes and the kids were eating dinner? Please correct me if my thinking is two cups of coffee short.

[Rushbo]

ITA! And if RC knew where she was why did he wait three days before he went an brought her back, or did she come back on her own?


Does anyone know what RC was doing on those 3 days?

[playnice]

Could the movie have been the object that the grandmother said was missing and should have always been with Haleigh? I admit a movie is a far stretch, but if it was her favorite (I think my GS watched Starship Troopers about 2,000 times, every night before he went to bed, it was a ritual for a long time) but could that have been the item?

If so, who ever took her knew her.

[Tornado]

So it would seem that Ron married Misty to keep her from this greg guy. If that is the case, this relationship is gonna EXPLODE at some point.

In the entire verbal rendition of Cobra- RC says that he married Misty to keep his enemies close. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer sort of thing. So that she would not take off.

I am horrible with links but maybe Momofmarine has this interview with cobra???

[playnice]

IMO- Rumor has it that he had to track her down and bring her back. I would guess that Monday came and he needed a sitter so he went to go get her. It is quite possible that she was not done partying yet and continued after RC went to work.

Also if she put the kids to bed around 8- then more than likely the kids would have had to start a movie about 6:30- most Disney movies are about 1.5 hours long. Didn't grandma come by about 7:00 in the evening to drop off clothes and the kids were eating dinner? Please correct me if my thinking is two cups of coffee short.

The movies could have been the babysitter that night.

[crymeariver2006]

Could the movie have been the object that the grandmother said was missing and should have always been with Haleigh? I admit a movie is a far stretch, but if it was her favorite (I think my GS watched Starship Troopers about 2,000 times, every night before he went to bed, it was a ritual for a long time) but could that have been the item?

Would a stranger RSO or kidnapper know the movie was even in the DVD player?

Would a stranger RSO or kidnapper know the movie was Haleigh's favorite?

Would a stranger RSO or kidnapper know the back door has to be propped to keep from slamming?

Would a stranger RSO or kidnapper take precious time to take out the DVD from the player in the same room where Misty was supposedly asleep?

IMO, TN has to put the story out about the "missing item" to take the focus off the occupants of that house. IMO, only.

[Tornado]

The movies could have been the babysitter that night.

That could very well be true. IMO I don't think that she was there but whomever she was with that night may have known that those kids were there alone. It still does not lead us to Haleigh - but it does tell me that MC is not afraid of RC otherwise she would not be messing around behind his back. That is a very (stupid) but gutsy move. IMOO

[Tornado]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

You are the greatest. TY

[crymeariver2006]

That could very well be true. IMO I don't think that she was there but whomever she was with that night may have known that those kids were there alone. It still does not lead us to Haleigh - but it does tell me that MC is not afraid of RC otherwise she would not be messing around behind his back. That is a very (stupid) but gutsy move. IMOO

Unless she knows just as much about him......

[Peaches]

So, if I interpret that article correctly, white boy Greg and Misty have both admitted to this 3 day bender?? It's not speculation anymore?? What does this mean?

WHERE IS HALEIGH???

Sorry, momofamarine, I was so stunned by the article I didn't thank you for all the links, I don't know what I would do without them.



:shrug: So..............I gather than many of you think it is a FACT just because some blogger says so.

NOT me.................I will wait for LE-------but thank you for the link anyway. This is not an official statement from anyone............just another person with guesses..............MOO

[playnice]

Unless she knows just as much about him......

Maybe they had an open relationship. Heck maybe even had 3somes. jmo

[Tornado]

Unless she knows just as much about him......

Before I misunderstand- RC messing around on Misti as well and she knew about it? MO

[crymeariver2006]

Well, JMO and all that.....

But IF it's true that Misty was gone all weekend, that settles it in my mind as to why GGM Sykes was doing the laundry and bringing the clothes back over on Monday night.

Misty wasn't there to do the laundry or her other "chores". That's why she doesn't know about the smelling blanket until she puts Haleigh to bed. She wasn't there until sometime late in the day on Monday, probably right around the time that Ron picked Haleigh up from the bus stop.

JMO and all that.

[crymeariver2006]

Before I misunderstand- RC messing around on Misti as well and she knew about it? MO

Maybe not messing around....may be "other things" of which she is well aware and may have helped cover up.

From prying eyes.

JMO though.

[Tornado]

Teresa Neves and GGM claim that GGM came by and saw the kids sometime in between 7pm-8pm and they were eating on the front porch, I would say it was closer to 7pm as sunset is at 7:15 and I dont think the kids were outside after dark, (JMO), so they eat and are in the room watching movies areound 7:30? that would have the movies ending at or around 9pm, but Misty says they were put to bed at 8pm, so I am guessing thats when the movies were put on which would have them end around 9:30. But Misty's mom says that Haleigh had to have changed the movie sometime in the night which would most likely be at 9:30pm when the movie she was watching was over. that isnt consistant with Misty's timeline....Misty says she went to bed at 10pm. It doesnt make sense, the movies would have been over by then. and if Haleigh chaged the movie then she would have been awake at 9:30, I dont thin kshe would have gotten up in the middle of the night to change it.

It just leads me to believe that either there were no movies that night and the entire story is bogus or that now we have Haleigh getting up sometime in the middle of the night (after Misti is asleep or not there) changing the movie , in the dark , by herself and changing her clothes. Why go thru all the trouble of settling an argument over movies and then only letting them watch maybe a half hour of it? IMO

[Politigal]

I think cousin Joe is responsible....and law enforcement should be doing everything they can to determine any places that Joe & cousins (Tim/Chelsea/Tommy/Lindsy/Misty) may have hung out together in the past....near the river, out in the country, etc., and search those areas for Haleigh's remains.

[CC I See]

:shrug: So..............I gather than many of you think it is a FACT just because some blogger says so.

NOT me.................I will wait for LE-------but thank you for the link anyway. This is not an official statement from anyone............just another person with guesses..............MOO There are very few statements in this world that can pass the " as fact" test. Most of everything is what people say, think and do, which is what this website is stating. This is what was heard and what was said.

It takes a court of law to determine the truth in most cases and even then lies get through. Make your own determination about whether to believe this or not, but keep in mind that early on, there were other sources to this exact information that came from people searching for Haleigh that was also posted that backs this information up. Are the comments true, we just don't know. People lie and people tell the truth.

[crymeariver2006]

Not confirmed by LE. It seems to be a solid rumor, and working theory by private investigators.

If Page was just brought in for questioning in the past couple of days (some 6 weeks after Haleigh's disappearance), that leads me to believe that neither Ron nor Misty mentioned him to LE as being part of the days leading up to Haleigh's disappearance.

That tells me that LE found out about him quite likely thru Cobra or some other "tipster".

JMO

[Tornado]

Maybe not messing around....may be "other things" of which she is well aware and may have helped cover up.

From prying eyes.

JMO though.

Gotcha- gotta know how my brain works and I will go wandering down a path of imagination that was not meant to be wandered on. :biggrin:

[playnice]

Gotcha- gotta know how my brain works and I will go wandering down a path of imagination that was not meant to be wandered on. :biggrin:

Like drugs, sex and rock in roll?:w00t:

[Tornado]

I wonder if cousin Joe and white boy greg know eachother.

I wondered the exact same thing.

[CC I See]

I don't know. He would be an obvious choice, but he's what.....19? I would think his steps have been traced, and I just don't find ANYBODY in this extended family bright enough to carry out a flawless abduction.According to what has been posted from the family, Joe was put on a plane and flew home before Haleigh went missing. This information can be found on the links list and has been discussed here as recently as two days ago. Joe the cousin has not been excluded but is not high on the list for this reason.

[crymeariver2006]

Like drugs, sex and rock in roll?:w00t:

I don't think rock'n roll is involved here.

Next thing you know, Misty will say that Joe the Cousin, in addition to being the Cinder Block Bandit, always listened to albums by The Beatles backwards and received messages to commit his crimes.

[TxLady2]

Teresa Neves and GGM claim that GGM came by and saw the kids sometime in between 7pm-8pm and they were eating on the front porch, I would say it was closer to 7pm as sunset is at 7:15 and I dont think the kids were outside after dark, (JMO), so they eat and are in the room watching movies areound 7:30? that would have the movies ending at or around 9pm, but Misty says they were put to bed at 8pm, so I am guessing thats when the movies were put on which would have them end around 9:30. But Misty's mom says that Haleigh had to have changed the movie sometime in the night which would most likely be at 9:30pm when the movie she was watching was over. that isnt consistant with Misty's timeline....Misty says she went to bed at 10pm. It doesnt make sense, the movies would have been over by then. and if Haleigh chaged the movie then she would have been awake at 9:30, I dont thin kshe would have gotten up in the middle of the night to change it.

How would Misty's mom know that Haleigh got up and changed the movie? It's possible that Misty took the DVD out when she saw that the kids were asleep. Most people don't want to go to sleep and leave the t.v. on with snow in the background, and I don't know many t.v.'s that shut themselves off.
And really, I cannot understand obsessing over these little details. (No offense to the poster... just thinking out loud.)
I'm more concerned with whether Misty was there that night or out somewhere. I just wish she would tell the truth and be done with it.

[Themis]

Well, JMO and all that.....

But IF it's true that Misty was gone all weekend, that settles it in my mind as to why GGM Sykes was doing the laundry and bringing the clothes back over on Monday night.

Misty wasn't there to do the laundry or her other "chores". That's why she doesn't know about the smelling blanket until she puts Haleigh to bed. She wasn't there until sometime late in the day on Monday, probably right around the time that Ron picked Haleigh up from the bus stop.

JMO and all that.
Reference post 50 by Crymeariver2006

Based on your theory, Cry, then why is great grandmother Sykes a big fan of--and defending-- Misty so forcefully in this video updated February 18? Sykes starts speaking about 30 seconds into the video.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

Was GGM Sykes aware that Misty allegedly had just returned to the mobile home after a 3-day 'vacation' with another man?

OR, did Ron C lie to Sykes about where Misty was for those 3 days?

Kinda makes one go hmmmm, huh? [JMO]

[CC I See]

it seems everyone has a good alibi. "seems" being the key word........yes, some are better than others in this case. They are only as good as their word.

[IlliniFan]

It does seem strange that Haleigh goes missing the night Misty returns....

I have always thought that if she was abducted it would have been by a RSO ~ Misty either left Monday night to party, or she just left the doors unlocked...

I can't see anyone taking Haleigh in some sort of retaliation against Ron..That just seems very extreme.

all very strange..imo

[Rushbo]

I don't think rock'n roll is involved here.

Next thing you know, Misty will say that Joe the Cousin, in addition to being the Cinder Block Bandit, always listened to albums by The Beatles backwards and received messages to commit his crimes.

Hilarious!

[crymeariver2006]

According to what has been posted from the family, Joe was put on a plane and flew home before Haleigh went missing. This information can be found on the links list and has been discussed here as recently as two days ago. Joe the cousin has not been excluded but is not high on the list for this reason.

So how did he get back the same night to take the van, leave scratches on it, and then disappear?

Joe got a hover-craft?

(/sarcasm)
JMO

[beachpatty]

What a huge mess & what we are hearing & discussing & trying to make any sense from, is the bits & pieces that have been released by LE & bloggers, attorneys, bounty hunter/private investigators, family members, etc. I truly believe that there is another complete scenerio of what exactly happened, in the days leading up to and including Haleigh disappearing. LE probably has the best outline and the rest is guesses, gossip and speculation. While we are all here, in earnest, trying our best to find Haleigh, by discussing and trying to make the little pieces we have fit, I think we probably don't know many of the actual facts.

I hope all that makes some sense to you folks, it just kind of rolled out of my head. I guess I'm trying to say, we will know exactly what happened, when & if, it's released by LE or there is an arrest and a trial and/or confession.

I only hope and pray, that somehow, Haleigh has managed to survive all this time, where ever she is and who ever has her. I can't bear to think of the other option, but I know in my heart, the other option will most likely be true.

MOO
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[CC I See]

this is a possibility being that they are young and alot of young couples are into that sorta thing, but IMO I think RC seems too possesive or jealous to allow a open relationship...... yes, and no. He may be controlling and possessive and because of that allowed such a thing to occur. I don't see love getting in the way like some relationships.

[TxLady2]

I have to agree that there is something wrong with him there, this attraction he has to young girls. I can understand that 17 is awful close to 18, the legal age but...Misty is very immature and is your typical 17 year old IMO. We dont know much about RC, other then he worked and supported his kids, but how mature was he? I have known men in their late twenties that have the mindset of a teenager.

Misty just turned 17 in Dec. which made her 16 when she and Ron got together. I would never let my 16 y.o. daughter (if I had one) move in with a 25 y.o. man.... and I would shoot the guy if he came around suggesting it to her. What is wrong with these people?
And as for your last sentence.... LOL! I'm married to a guy that in some ways thinks he's still a teenager!!

[CC I See]

Someone on the nancy grace show said that they have Misty's timeline figured out up tp 10 pm right now. So we are down to 5 hours. Thats good. I think it was either 10:00 or 10:30 because of the movies that were watched. Again since no one was there except Misty and the mysterious intruder, we have only her word for what occurred after the 7:00 time when GGM brought by clean clothes for the children.

[crymeariver2006]

Reference post 50 by Crymeariver2006

Based on your theory, Cry, then why is great grandmother Sykes a big fan of--and defending-- Misty so forcefully in this video updated February 18? Sykes starts speaking about 30 seconds into the video.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

Was GGM Sykes aware that Misty allegedly had just returned to the mobile home after a 3-day 'vacation' with another man?

OR, did Ron C lie to Sykes about where Misty was for those 3 days?

Kinda makes one go hmmmm, huh? [JMO]

It's called "circling the wagons".

GGM Sykes knew less about Misty than Ron did.

I didn't see the video in the link, but does GGM Sykes ever say that she talked to Misty that night or just that Misty was there?

GGM Sykes is introduced as being a visitor 8 days into the investigation. She is introduced as a visitor by TN at the same time a "tip" is received that Misty may not have been there all night. No one has explained how GGM Sykes can be at the house at 7:00 p.m. and that "proves" Misty was there all night.

[crymeariver2006]

Someone on the nancy grace show said that they have Misty's timeline figured out up tp 10 pm right now. So we are down to 5 hours. Thats good.

That was Kim Picazio, Crystal's attorney.

That timeline is assuming that Misty is being honest about the movies, the bedtimes, where everyone was sleeping.

I bet that timeline changes back to the LE timeline of 7:00 p.m. until 3:37 a.m. before the week is out.

JMO

[playnice]

It's called "circling the wagons".

GGM Sykes knew less about Misty than Ron did.

I didn't see the video in the link, but does GGM Sykes ever say that she talked to Misty that night or just that Misty was there?

GGM Sykes is introduced as being a visitor 8 days into the investigation. She is introduced as a visitor by TN at the same time a "tip" is received that Misty may not have been there all night. No one has explained how GGM Sykes can be at the house at 7:00 p.m. and that "proves" Misty was there all night.

Cry if GGM wanted to do that why not just say she came by even later like right before bed at 10:)? That would shorten the timeline even more. We dont know when LE knew she was there because I dont recall ever hearing them say anyone was there that night except the AC man and they never gave a time for him..

[crymeariver2006]

Cry if GGM wanted to do that why not just say she came by even later like right before bed at 10:)? That would shorten the timeline even more. We dont know when LE knew she was there because I dont recall ever hearing them say anyone was there that night except the AC man and they never gave a time for him..

I don't know why she didn't push her visit back to later in the evening. But then again, I don't give these people much credit for their actions making sense.

All we've heard from LE is that the only person outside of Misty who saw Haleigh after Ron supposedly went to work is a "neighbor". They've not given the time that she was seen, nor have they said the neighbor's name.

And there is the possibility that GGM Sykes brought the laundry over on Sunday night, instead of Monday night. Again, that's a possibility.

JMO

[Politigal]

So how did he get back the same night to take the van, leave scratches on it, and then disappear?

Joe got a hover-craft?

(/sarcasm)
JMO

Exactly...Joe did not leave before Haleigh went missing.

[Rushbo]

Misty's alleged 3-day bender and wild time with WB Greg shows just how disingenuious TN and GGM Sykes are with all the utter nonsense they told about the wedding, IMO.

[Rushbo]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

[spageddy]

Misty's alleged 3-day bender and wild time with WB Greg shows just how disingenuious TN and GGM Sykes are with all the utter nonsense they told about the wedding, IMO.

Yup- and I think this is just what is needed to begin to unravel the truth. Someone's gonna slip up or come clean. I'm feeling a tiny bit of hope today.

[crymeariver2006]

Misty's alleged 3-day bender and wild time with WB Greg shows just how disingenuious TN and GGM Sykes are with all the utter nonsense they told about the wedding, IMO.

I agree. Any hint of negligence on the part of Misty is going to reflect on Ron (who allowed her to watch his children), thus the Misty is the "perfect stepmom, perfect babysitter, the kids love her like she's their mother" wagon circling.

JMO

[CC I See]

Has he been able to produce a plane ticket?I think that if he hadn't been able to do so, he would have been brought back to Florida for questioning by LE. His family bought his ticket for him or so what was stated but not LE confirmed.

[Peaches]

How would Misty's mom know that Haleigh got up and changed the movie? It's possible that Misty took the DVD out when she saw that the kids were asleep. Most people don't want to go to sleep and leave the t.v. on with snow in the background, and I don't know many t.v.'s that shut themselves off.
And really, I cannot understand obsessing over these little details. (No offense to the poster... just thinking out loud.)
I'm more concerned with whether Misty was there that night or out somewhere. I just wish she would tell the truth and be done with it.


:laugh:

I'll bet if LE gave Marie (Crystal's mom) 15 minutes in a closed room with Misty..................she would get the truth!

[Texas48]

Would a stranger RSO or kidnapper know the movie was even in the DVD player?

Would a stranger RSO or kidnapper know the movie was Haleigh's favorite?

Would a stranger RSO or kidnapper know the back door has to be propped to keep from slamming?

Would a stranger RSO or kidnapper take precious time to take out the DVD from the player in the same room where Misty was supposedly asleep?

IMO, TN has to put the story out about the "missing item" to take the focus off the occupants of that house. IMO, only.Good post/good thinking my friend cry and may I say ITA. Thought the same when TN mentioned the "ITEM" and was never brought up again. Was it possible LE ask her(TN) not to say anymore about it as it was a CLUE???? Think I will go back to shaking my head..Good morning ALL and let me say I read last nights post and injoyed blink joining in..jmo

[Themis]

It's called "circling the wagons".

GGM Sykes knew less about Misty than Ron did.

I didn't see the video in the link, but does GGM Sykes ever say that she talked to Misty that night or just that Misty was there?

GGM Sykes is introduced as being a visitor 8 days into the investigation. She is introduced as a visitor by TN at the same time a "tip" is received that Misty may not have been there all night. No one has explained how GGM Sykes can be at the house at 7:00 p.m. and that "proves" Misty was there all night.
Reference post 84 by CryMeARiver

Your phrase 'circling the wagons' is an apt description.

The video can be found in the upper right-hand corner of your monitor. Sometimes there is about a 10 second delay for it to start playing. It is a very short video. I don't actually think Annette Sykes states she talked to Misty. It is about her seeing, talking with and hugging Haleigh and Junior as they ate dinner in the screened front porch. However, I must confess I often have difficulty in understanding what is being said. I think it is a combination of the accents and speaking with lips barely opened. That is why I depend so much on transcripts.

On another note, I try to remember that Haleigh's GGM Sykes is a close blood relative. It appears that LE has accepted her word for being there that Monday evening, 2-9. But what if she was wrong? What if it was Sunday night? Or even the previous Monday evening? Remember Crystal Sheffield saying that she did not like to ride with Sykes because of her tendency to doze off while driving? [JMO]

[CC I See]

Good post/good thinking my friend cry and may I say ITA. Thought the same when TN mentioned the "ITEM" and was never brought up again. Was it possible LE ask her(TN) not to say anymore about it as it was a CLUE???? Think I will go back to shaking my head..Good morning ALL and let me say I read last nights post and injoyed blink joining in..jmo.... maybe the item was found after it was put away after the extensive cleaning they did to the home.

[Peaches]

What a huge mess & what we are hearing & discussing & trying to make any sense from, is the bits & pieces that have been released by LE & bloggers, attorneys, bounty hunter/private investigators, family members, etc. I truly believe that there is another complete scenerio of what exactly happened, in the days leading up to and including Haleigh disappearing. LE probably has the best outline and the rest is guesses, gossip and speculation. While we are all here, in earnest, trying our best to find Haleigh, by discussing and trying to make the little pieces we have fit, I think we probably don't know many of the actual facts.

I hope all that makes some sense to you folks, it just kind of rolled out of my head. I guess I'm trying to say, we will know exactly what happened, when & if, it's released by LE or there is an arrest and a trial and/or confession.

I only hope and pray, that somehow, Haleigh has managed to survive all this time, where ever she is and who ever has her. I can't bear to think of the other option, but I know in my heart, the other option will most likely be true.

MOO
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty



:thumbsup: I'm on your bench............with my hard hat! :wub:

[bookie]

:shrug: So..............I gather than many of you think it is a FACT just because some blogger says so.

NOT me.................I will wait for LE-------but thank you for the link anyway. This is not an official statement from anyone............just another person with guesses..............MOO




I agree. Nothing in that link has been confirmed.

[Peaches]

Someone on the nancy grace show said that they have Misty's timeline figured out up tp 10 pm right now. So we are down to 5 hours. Thats good.



It was Crystal's attorney who said that they had a time line until - I thought 10:30 .........................

Wonder what that means????????????

Boy..............we do not have the facts about much!:sad:

[Texas48]

Unless she knows just as much about him......I can not pin point the reason I think along the same lines as your are cry..but..I do. IMO they ALL know alot about each other and it would be MO that it aint good...

[Themis]

Cry if GGM wanted to do that why not just say she came by even later like right before bed at 10:)? That would shorten the timeline even more. We dont know when LE knew she was there because I dont recall ever hearing them say anyone was there that night except the AC man and they never gave a time for him..
Reference post 86 by Playnice

But if GGM Annette Sykes said she had dropped off those clean clothes at 10 PM how could she explain seeing a lively granddaughter?

After all both kids were supposed to have been put to bed at 8 PM.

And why is it that Misty has never, to my knowledge, said anything like:
'oh yeah, I forgot in listing visitors that day, GGM Sykes also dropped by while the kids were eating dinner.'

Remember the link I gave says Updated February 18, when the rumors had just started that Misty had not been there that weekend. A lot of other stuff has leaked out since then - even if it has not been substantiated by LE. [JMO]

[Peaches]

Misty just turned 17 in Dec. which made her 16 when she and Ron got together. I would never let my 16 y.o. daughter (if I had one) move in with a 25 y.o. man.... and I would shoot the guy if he came around suggesting it to her. What is wrong with these people?
And as for your last sentence.... LOL! I'm married to a guy that in some ways thinks he's still a teenager!!


Texas..............You are so right!

A 16 year old has no business with a 24 year old..........be it girl/man or boy/woman. Just ain't right! moo

BUT............If we believe what has been suggested, Misty's father made her leave her home.................I guess she might have thought being with RC was better than the street.................

NO..............that does not fly because I feel that one of her brothers would have allowed her to stay with them.

Family values and morals........................???????????????? seem to be missing here!

All moo

[bookie]

Good Morning Friend,...Did you see this about Chad?


http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search



A lot of links won't open for me. Can you please post a synopsis or pm me what that says? TIA

[rosieposett]

Reference post 50 by Crymeariver2006

Based on your theory, Cry, then why is great grandmother Sykes a big fan of--and defending-- Misty so forcefully in this video updated February 18? Sykes starts speaking about 30 seconds into the video.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

Was GGM Sykes aware that Misty allegedly had just returned to the mobile home after a 3-day 'vacation' with another man?

OR, did Ron C lie to Sykes about where Misty was for those 3 days?

Kinda makes one go hmmmm, huh? [JMO]

'Morning Themis. I wanted to ask a question if you or anyone knows the answer.

In the above article GGM Sykes says "we" instead of "I". Was someone with her the night she saw Haleigh and Jr. eating supper? I hope it is okay to post this from the above article.

“She was sitting on the front porch when we pulled up…her and junior sitting up there with the plate and eating…when we go up---she’s just hollering hey granny, hey granny, just like they always do,” said Sykes.

Was TN with her and I have just missed it all along? I do tend to forget things or overlook the obvious. Just wondering. thx. jmo

[MrLucky917B]

Well, I haven't flown in five years, but doesn't the plane ticket have to be in the actual traveler's name, and don't they have to show ID to board?

It does and ID's are checked at least twice, TSA uses infra red on driver license's to make sure they are not fake.

[Texas48]

:shrug: So..............I gather than many of you think it is a FACT just because some blogger says so.

NOT me.................I will wait for LE-------but thank you for the link anyway. This is not an official statement from anyone............just another person with guesses..............MOOGood morning Peaches..Just think about it..this board and many other boards are made up of opinions and guesses..We don't sit here day after day talking/posting about ALL the statements that LE is giving out. We get a few FACTS and go from there. It would certainly be nice if we had all the details and facts of this horrific case but we don't. Posted w/respect..jmo

[Texas48]

Well, JMO and all that.....

But IF it's true that Misty was gone all weekend, that settles it in my mind as to why GGM Sykes was doing the laundry and bringing the clothes back over on Monday night.

Misty wasn't there to do the laundry or her other "chores". That's why she doesn't know about the smelling blanket until she puts Haleigh to bed. She wasn't there until sometime late in the day on Monday, probably right around the time that Ron picked Haleigh up from the bus stop.

JMO and all that.Good points cry...but then where was Jr. during the day? Have we heard he was with TN or GGM?

[Themis]

Misty's alleged 3-day bender and wild time with WB Greg shows just how disingenuious TN and GGM Sykes are with all the utter nonsense they told about the wedding, IMO.
Reference post 90 by Rushbo

You said it, not me -- but I agree. I'm several states away from Florida and the stench is reaching out west. [JMO]

[bookie]

can you see this? http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/ImageBrowser/image.aspx?ImageId=541744&jpg=-1

Chad was charged with domestic violence to a CHILD :(


No I can't. Those links and the HLN transcripts will never open for me. I always get "internet explorer can't find the page" messages. I don't know if it's a bug in Windows Vista or what. I downloaded firefox too and can't open them. It definitely makes following this case harder.

[Texas48]

I don't know. He would be an obvious choice, but he's what.....19? I would think his steps have been traced, and I just don't find ANYBODY in this extended family bright enough to carry out a flawless abduction.lol...:thumbsup:

[Peaches]

Good Morning Friend,...Did you see this about Chad?


http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=267382&rn=0&pi=0&ref=search


Yes.............and I believe that this is the reason we have not seen him near Crystal and her attorney.

This attorney has her hands full..............and with Crystal saying one thing one night and another the next about if she had ever witnessed Ron abusing the children with her attorney right there beside her...........I'll just bet she wishes she had stayed away from this case altogether. JMOO

Everyone needs to take a step back.............come clean with the truth.............and I mean EVERYONE.............so that HaLeigh can be found.

They can all wash their laundry after this baby is brought home.

GROW UP people.........tell the truth....help find HaLeigh!

[Texas48]

I wonder if cousin Joe and white boy greg know eachother.A thought came to me reading your post...We know all these families and extended families names. has anyone ever heard what the A/C guys name is? just woundering as usual...

[Mel]

Well, JMO and all that.....

But IF it's true that Misty was gone all weekend, that settles it in my mind as to why GGM Sykes was doing the laundry and bringing the clothes back over on Monday night.

Misty wasn't there to do the laundry or her other "chores". That's why she doesn't know about the smelling blanket until she puts Haleigh to bed. She wasn't there until sometime late in the day on Monday, probably right around the time that Ron picked Haleigh up from the bus stop.

JMO and all that.

the above makes sense, imo

[Texas48]

I don't think rock'n roll is involved here.

Next thing you know, Misty will say that Joe the Cousin, in addition to being the Cinder Block Bandit, always listened to albums by The Beatles backwards and received messages to commit his crimes.Is that kissin cousin Joe? oh my..everyone is on a roll this am..lol..lol..needed a little laughter in my life. TY...:thumbsup:

[Themis]

'Morning Themis. I wanted to ask a question if you or anyone knows the answer.

In the above article GGM Sykes says "we" instead of "I". Was someone with her the night she saw Haleigh and Jr. eating supper? I hope it is okay to post this from the above article.

“She was sitting on the front porch when we pulled up…her and junior sitting up there with the plate and eating…when we go up---she’s just hollering hey granny, hey granny, just like they always do,” said Sykes.

Was TN with her and I have just missed it all along? I do tend to forget things or overlook the obvious. Just wondering. thx. jmo
Reference post 115 by RosiePosett

Good morning, Rosie. I know Sykes used the word 'we'. I distinctly remember it at the time and was asking that very question when Sykes came forward with her info as having seen Haleigh on 2-9. I kept asking who is this unidentified person with her. No one has been able to update that info, if I remember correctly. If someone has heard who was with Sykes on 2-9, I hope that will update me.

When I stop and think about it, Sykes companion cannot be Teresa Neves because SHE would have publicly backed up Sykes assertion immediately.

Strange, isn't it, Rosie?

[Peaches]

Good morning Peaches..Just think about it..this board and many other boards are made up of opinions and guesses..We don't sit here day after day talking/posting about ALL the statements that LE is giving out. We get a few FACTS and go from there. It would certainly be nice if we had all the details and facts of this horrific case but we don't. Posted w/respect..jmo


Good morning............Texas 48.

Maybe today will be the day we find out something for sure.

Hopefully, someone will start telling the truth and LE can go from there.

Please find HaLeigh............and my wish/hope/prayer is that she is alive ---------- and since I can dream..........that the person who has her has not done anything to hurt her.

[Mimi428]

:shrug: So...I gather than many of you think it is a FACT just because some blogger says so.



<snipped>

This case, like lots of others, has had more than one person posting that they have been in the specific area, have had interactions with one or more of the individuals involved. Some have claimed to have had personal contact with Ron. Some have claimed to have given money, visited the campground area, talked to or overheard conversations with one or more of the family members.

Should we disregard ALL of them? If not, what is your suggestion on how to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak?

TIA

[bookie]

In discussing a timeline many questions come to my mind. Anyone else?

1. It is usually referred to as Misty's timeline. Then, the family gets to fill it in. Isn't the truth just the truth?

2. Why isn't it Ron's timeline?

3. How in the world can a timeline be established when there are no facts that we know of. (I believe Law Enforcement has many facts that we aren't privy to). The only "fact" seems to be that Ron and Misty were at the house at 3:27am on 2/20, per 911 call.

4. Unfortunately, Ron's mom and grandmother seem to be liars and "enablers." The great-grandmother uses words like enrage and anger at inappropriate times, in my opinion. (I need to re-read her comments when she was asked about Ron abusing the children and an up-coming investigation.).

Just some things that make me feel uncomfortable; all the changing stories just take away from the idea that maybe it all needs to begin with what is established fact. In no way do I think L.E. hasn't done, and isn't doing, many things that we, the public, have no right to know.





The police confirmed Ron was at work on JVM's show and have said they are satisfied with his answers to questions and that he wasn't involved so that is most likely why it isn't Ron's timeline.

[rosieposett]

In discussing a timeline many questions come to my mind. Anyone else?

1. It is usually referred to as Misty's timeline. Then, the family gets to fill it in. Isn't the truth just the truth?

2. Why isn't it Ron's timeline?

3. How in the world can a timeline be established when there are no facts that we know of. (I believe Law Enforcement has many facts that we aren't privy to). The only "fact" seems to be that Ron and Misty were at the house at 3:27am on 2/20, per 911 call.

4. Unfortunately, Ron's mom and grandmother seem to be liars and "enablers." The great-grandmother uses words like enrage and anger at inappropriate times, in my opinion. (I need to re-read her comments when she was asked about Ron abusing the children and an up-coming investigation.).

Just some things that make me feel uncomfortable; all the changing stories just take away from the idea that maybe it all needs to begin with what is established fact. In no way do I think L.E. hasn't done, and isn't doing, many things that we, the public, have no right to know.



Good post. This case has a gang of liars equal to the CA case. How will it ever be straightened out? I think when all is said and done and the case is solved (which I pray for) each and every lie told will stick out like a sore thumb. And each party who told that lie will also stand out as a liar. Although that doesn't seem to matter much to this group of people. I pray Haleigh will be found. jmo

[Texas48]

:laugh:

I'll bet if LE gave Marie (Crystal's mom) 15 minutes in a closed room with Misty..................she would get the truth!
LOL..Peaches..I would actually pay to watch.

[Mel]

I think that if he hadn't been able to do so, he would have been brought back to Florida for questioning by LE. His family bought his ticket for him or so what was stated but not LE confirmed.

i agree..we would have heard about him being back in FL by now..i'll be very surprised if this couisin Joe is involved

[Texas48]

Well, I haven't flown in five years, but doesn't the plane ticket have to be in the actual traveler's name, and don't they have to show ID to board?Totally correct ocean and cost lots of $$$.

[Peaches]

I loved it last night when NG asked Kim P how it's going with getting custody for Jr and she said something like ohhh well were just working on trying to find Haleigh............ummm so does that mean Jr's not in danger anymore?

and i agree about Blinks site and others like that....I'll wait for the LE to give us some FACTS. plus i just found out this morning that Blinks site is connected with the scaredmonkey's site.


So did I, FA.

And, Crystal's attorney has left town.............maybe it was because Crystal sat right beside her 2 nights in a row..........with different stories.

Can none of these people tell the truth! This baby is missing all they can think about is how to make themself look okay. I can not believe it!

Yes........someone else posted here last night I think that Scaredmonkey's and Blinks are connected..........maybe same server????

I think that we just have to read and make up our own minds according to what we think might be the truth.

This case is so sad. A baby girl is missing and her family can not get their facts straight..................

My prayer is that HaLeigh's angels are protecting her!

[crymeariver2006]

can you see this? http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/ImageBrowser/image.aspx?ImageId=541744&jpg=-1

Chad was charged with domestic violence to a CHILD :(

What you linked was a dismissal of a protective order.

Where is the arrest record for Chad Griffis being charged with domestic violence to a child?

[rosieposett]

A thought came to me reading your post...We know all these families and extended families names. has anyone ever heard what the A/C guys name is? just woundering as usual...

I also wondered about the A/C man. Haven't heard much about him. Maybe he prefers to remain anonymous in all of this. If he can, that is. jmo

[Pebbles]

In discussing a timeline many questions come to my mind. Anyone else?

1. It is usually referred to as Misty's timeline. Then, the family gets to fill it in. Isn't the truth just the truth?

2. Why isn't it Ron's timeline?

3. How in the world can a timeline be established when there are no facts that we know of. (I believe Law Enforcement has many facts that we aren't privy to). The only "fact" seems to be that Ron and Misty were at the house at 3:27am on 2/20, per 911 call.

4. Unfortunately, Ron's mom and grandmother seem to be liars and "enablers." The great-grandmother uses words like enrage and anger at inappropriate times, in my opinion. (I need to re-read her comments when she was asked about Ron abusing the children and an up-coming investigation.).

Just some things that make me feel uncomfortable; all the changing stories just take away from the idea that maybe it all needs to begin with what is established fact. In no way do I think L.E. hasn't done, and isn't doing, many things that we, the public, have no right to know.




These are my thoughts also. Just because Misty and Ron say all the events took place in the evening and early morning hours, doesn't mean it is so. Misty and Ron had time to make up a story about how Haleigh went missing if something happened to that little girl earlier in the day.

Hasn't Misty said that Junior was in bed with her. And hasn't she stated that she made her bed before going to sleep. How did she make her bed if Junior was sleeping in it?

[Texas48]

:thumbsup: I'm on your bench............with my hard hat! :wub:
I told you the other day to put that hard hat aside. Better yet..you better save it as one of us may need it before this case is over...

[Peaches]

LOL..Peaches..I would actually pay to watch.


My thoughts at this very moment is that many on this board would pay Marie to get the facts...............:thumbsup:

[rosieposett]

Thanks, mom. So it takes between 3 and 5 minutes for a body to exude that "death" smell that cadavar dogs can pick up on...interesting...
So it is possible that something happened in the house and was taken care of quickly. Of course, this would mean that Haleigh didn't go peacefully or not so peacefully to sleep that night, and Misty checking on her saw that she had passed and panicked. It would have to be immediate, like doing something to Haleigh right then that would cause her death, and acting very quickly to be rid of Haleigh out of the house... I don't think Misty could have acted that quickly.I think she would have panicked and called someone to help her if something happened and that and the trip over would still take a few minutes...

Shoot, well I guess one of my other theories is out the window. Moving on to the next...unless the dogs did hit in the home and LE isn't telling us...

jmo

If your scenario did happen and Haleigh died on Misti's watch, do you think she would have called Ron at work? just asking....

[Peaches]

Thanks, mom. So it takes between 3 and 5 minutes for a body to exude that "death" smell that cadavar dogs can pick up on...interesting...
So it is possible that something happened in the house and was taken care of quickly. Of course, this would mean that Haleigh didn't go peacefully or not so peacefully to sleep that night, and Misty checking on her saw that she had passed and panicked. It would have to be immediate, like doing something to Haleigh right then that would cause her death, and acting very quickly to be rid of Haleigh out of the house... I don't think Misty could have acted that quickly.I think she would have panicked and called someone to help her if something happened and that and the trip over would still take a few minutes...

Shoot, well I guess one of my other theories is out the window. Moving on to the next...unless the dogs did hit in the home and LE isn't telling us...

jmo


LOL............even when their mouths were moving.............we heard nothing!

[Mel]

Reference post 86 by Playnice

But if GGM Annette Sykes said she had dropped off those clean clothes at 10 PM how could she explain seeing a lively granddaughter?

After all both kids were supposed to have been put to bed at 8 PM.

And why is it that Misty has never, to my knowledge, said anything like:
'oh yeah, I forgot in listing visitors that day, GGM Sykes also dropped by while the kids were eating dinner.'
Remember the link I gave says Updated February 18, when the rumors had just started that Misty had not been there that weekend. A lot of other stuff has leaked out since then - even if it has not been substantiated by LE. [JMO]

OH, OH!! you're right!
she only says that the AC man, & her brother with his kids, visited ..

[Pebbles]

Good post. This case has a gang of liars equal to the CA case. How will it ever be straightened out? I think when all is said and done and the case is solved (which I pray for) each and every lie told will stick out like a sore thumb. And each party who told that lie will also stand out as a liar. Although that doesn't seem to matter much to this group of people. I pray Haleigh will be found. jmo



I find it interesting when they say "the focus has to be on Haleigh". Didn't another family recently keep saying that when people began asking questions about their statements regarding their missing granddaughter?

[Peaches]

I told you the other day to put that hard hat aside. Better yet..you better save it as one of us may need it before this case is over...


After the other day.............there are dents all over it.........but still protection.

Someone needs to tell the truth...........for the sake of this baby. She deserves more than her family is giving!

Some really messed up folks!!!

[Texas48]

:sad:Good morning............Texas 48.

Maybe today will be the day we find out something for sure.

Hopefully, someone will start telling the truth and LE can go from there.

Please find HaLeigh............and my wish/hope/prayer is that she is alive ---------- and since I can dream..........that the person who has her has not done anything to hurt her.Nothing wrong with Dreams or Hope..without them..where would we be? My dream is that there will come a day when OUR Children will be safe. NO child should be missing.

[Peaches]

bam bam I wondered about that yesterday evening on my hour's drive home from work......it seemed to me that the blog post I read from Blink that was on his/her website was very ugly in alot of ways, if we had spoken like that on this board we would have been in some time out for sure.


I also notices his/her tone when talking with fellow posters - as if no one should question him/her.


BTW.............I am a :chicken: so I just stayed as far away from this poster as I could. :laugh:

[rosieposett]

Reference post 115 by RosiePosett

Good morning, Rosie. I know Sykes used the word 'we'. I distinctly remember it at the time and was asking that very question when Sykes came forward with her info as having seen Haleigh on 2-9. I kept asking who is this unidentified person with her. No one has been able to update that info, if I remember correctly. If someone has heard who was with Sykes on 2-9, I hope that will update me.

When I stop and think about it, Sykes companion cannot be Teresa Neves because SHE would have publicly backed up Sykes assertion immediately.

Strange, isn't it, Rosie?
Thanks for your answer. Yes, it is very strange. My hinky meter is working overtime here......

[Texas48]

He remains a mystery to me, but after all this, nothing would surprise me, KWIM?Yep..KWYM..I wounder if he is related in any way to this bunch???? What a thought.:scared:

[Mimi428]

Misty's alleged 3-day bender and wild time with WB Greg shows just how disingenuious TN and GGM Sykes are with all the utter nonsense they told about the wedding, IMO.

You may recall that Teresa at one time referred to the visit by GGM Sykes as something akin to 'sending a family member to check on' the kids (paraphrased, not verbatim).

I have had a suspicion for some time that Teresa & Annette have done the lion's share of childcare for Ron since he was granted custody. I can't know for certain, but I also have the hunch that at some point (perhaps when the children were a little older) that Ron's mother & GM may have put a bit more pressure on him to step up to the plate & do more of the day-to-day childcare activities, take responsibility for finding a babysitter when he was at work, etc.

I would be very surprised if we were to find out that Ron ever lived in situation where it was just him & the kids. I think he may have moved away from Teresa's house ONLY when he had someone to move in with him & take over the childcare responsibilities.

I also think that Teresa & Annette had their own suspicions about whether or not Ron was making good choices for who he was leaving the kids with - but they knew that he would be vulnerable to a challenge for custody if Crystal (& the court, & DCF, etc) if anyone else knew the precarious childcare arrangements that were in place & the unsuitability of the babysitting situation.

If Misty had been out on a 3-day toot with some guy & Ron had to go get her & bring her back so she could take care of the kids when his shift started on Monday - I think both Teresa & Annette probably knew about it - & had concerns about how well the kids were being taken care of & how fit Misty was to be taking care of them. But instead of making big waves with Ron about getting more stable & responsible babysitting arrangements, they gambled & just kept an eye on the situation - by sending Annette over with clean clothes that night.

Personally, I think the reason for a visit from Annette really was so she could check on the kids. She saw them, knew it would be bedtime soon, figured they would be safe in their beds. And now she & Teresa are being eaten alive with the horror of realizing that their worst nightmares have come true - that because Ron's choice of babysitter was so sloppy, drugged up & generally half-azzed - someone was able to get in the house & abduct Haleigh.

All the above is just a theory. JMO

[rosieposett]

I find it interesting when they say "the focus has to be on Haleigh". Didn't another family recently keep saying that when people began asking questions about their statements regarding their missing granddaughter?

Good awareness. Yep, when their lies catch up to them they change the subject to the child. That's real adult.

[Mel]

I love it that it looks like NG has backed up on her believing RC and MC's story, she aired the lies Misty is telling and didn't comment on any of it. I think this attorney is letting DCF and LE get there reports and then the custody hearing will happen.

i noticed that also, lol..

it was obvious, imo, that NG was backing off last night..she doesn't want to look completetly stupid, IF it turns out Misty & Ron are somehow involved in this..

also, i think you're right about that atty, KP..she's done everything she needs to do, as far as a custody hearing goes..she's leaving it in the hands of CPS & LE..

[Peaches]

:sad:Nothing wrong with Dreams or Hope..without them..where would we be? My dream is that there will come a day when OUR Children will be safe. NO child should be missing.


Texas48................what a wonderful dream!

Back in the olden days, we would leave my grandparents house; they had a very large farm..........and we would pack a lunch / be gone forhours......picking cherries/apples/peaches/strawberries/etc. or just wandering around playing.

No one worried about us...........not like they would today.

Unless and until criminals are made to pay for their crimes/instead of slapping them on the hand, we will have to watch our children "like a hawk".............and most of us do.

[Mimi428]

And why is it that Misty has never, to my knowledge, said anything like:
'oh yeah, I forgot in listing visitors that day, GGM Sykes also dropped by while the kids were eating dinner.' [JMO]

<snpped>

I do not recall that Annette said she saw all 3 of them. Maybe she really only saw the kids. Maybe Misty did not realize Annette had come by, gave the kids a hug & kiss, & left a few clean clothes for them.

JMO

[Peaches]

You may recall that Teresa at one time referred to the visit by GGM Sykes as something akin to 'sending a family member to check on' the kids (paraphrased, not verbatim).

I have had a suspicion for some time that Teresa & Annette have done the lion's share of childcare for Ron since he was granted custody. I can't know for certain, but I also have the hunch that at some point (perhaps when the children were a little older) that Ron's mother & GM may have put a bit more pressure on him to step up to the plate & do more of the day-to-day childcare activities, take responsibility for finding a babysitter when he was at work, etc.

I would be very surprised if we were to find out that Ron ever lived in situation where it was just him & the kids. I think he may have moved away from Teresa's house ONLY when he had someone to move in with him & take over the childcare responsibilities.

I also think that Teresa & Annette had their own suspicions about whether or not Ron was making good choices for who he was leaving the kids with - but they knew that he would be vulnerable to a challenge for custody if Crystal (& the court, & DCF, etc) if anyone else knew the precarious childcare arrangements that were in place & the unsuitability of the babysitting situation.

If Misty had been out on a 3-day toot with some guy & Ron had to go get her & bring her back so she could take care of the kids when his shift started on Monday - I think both Teresa & Annette probably knew about it - & had concerns about how well the kids were being taken care of & how fit Misty was to be taking care of them. But instead of making big waves with Ron about getting more stable & responsible babysitting arrangements, they gambled & just kept an eye on the situation - by sending Annette over with clean clothes that night.

Personally, I think the reason for a visit from Annette really was so she could check on the kids. She saw them, knew it would be bedtime soon, figured they would be safe in their beds. And now she & Teresa are being eaten alive with the horror of realizing that their worst nightmares have come true - that because Ron's choice of babysitter was so sloppy, drugged up & generally half-azzed - someone was able to get in the house & abduct Haleigh.

All the above is just a theory. JMO


BOY! MOO is that most on this board have probably thought the same as you have from time to time.

Thank you for putting it into words.................

I do think that Ronald loves his children and that he spent quality time with them. I think that his mother and grandmother have helped with these babies especially when they were much younger.

My thoughts today are..................Everyone needs to tell the truth no matter what..................LE needs to know the truth so that they can find HaLeigh!

MOO

[rosieposett]

No, I do not think so. He seems like the type of guy who when he loves, he loves fiercely, and I feel that he absolutely loved his little girl. I know I fiercely love my boys, and if someone called me (husband, mil, babysitter) to say that something bad happened to my baby and he was dead or something like that, I would get home, and probably "seriously hurt" the person who hurt my baby. I think Ron would have done the same, and I would think Misty knew it too.

Haleigh could have died earlier in the evening, like after 7, but Misty didn't want to call ROn and tell him so she could have procrastinated until there was no choice in the matter... he was on his way home, and there was no avoiding it anymore...kwim

Yea, you are probably right. I just thought he seemed like he knew already that Haleigh was gone when he arrived home that night. I wondered why he didn't grab a flashlight and go out that opened back door and look for Haleigh and call her name. Why didn't he do that, it worried me that he didn't. kwim? jmo

[MidnightBlu]

How would Misty's mom know that Haleigh got up and changed the movie? It's possible that Misty took the DVD out when she saw that the kids were asleep. Most people don't want to go to sleep and leave the t.v. on with snow in the background, and I don't know many t.v.'s that shut themselves off.
And really, I cannot understand obsessing over these little details. (No offense to the poster... just thinking out loud.)
I'm more concerned with whether Misty was there that night or out somewhere. I just wish she would tell the truth and be done with it.

Most tv's (if not all) have a timer. You just use the remote to select how many minutes/hours you want it turned off in.

[odyssey]

In discussing a timeline many questions come to my mind. Anyone else?

1. It is usually referred to as Misty's timeline. Then, the family gets to fill it in. Isn't the truth just the truth?

2. Why isn't it Ron's timeline?

3. How in the world can a timeline be established when there are no facts that we know of. (I believe Law Enforcement has many facts that we aren't privy to). The only "fact" seems to be that Ron and Misty were at the house at 3:27am on 2/20, per 911 call.

4. Unfortunately, Ron's mom and grandmother seem to be liars and "enablers." The great-grandmother uses words like enrage and anger at inappropriate times, in my opinion. (I need to re-read her comments when she was asked about Ron abusing the children and an up-coming investigation.).

Just some things that make me feel uncomfortable; all the changing stories just take away from the idea that maybe it all needs to begin with what is established fact. In no way do I think L.E. hasn't done, and isn't doing, many things that we, the public, have no right to know.



It isn't Ron's timeline because it's been confirmed that Haleigh was seen after he went to work.

[Peaches]

Yea, you are probably right. I just thought he seemed like he knew already that Haleigh was gone when he arrived home that night. I wondered why he didn't grab a flashlight and go out that opened back door and look for Haleigh and call her name. Why didn't he do that, it worried me that he didn't. kwim? jmo



I think that the LE said that he was outside when they arrived!

He was searching the house as the call was being made.

I still do not think that Ronald did anything to hurt his child..........

[SavannahStar]

Your post reminds of me of something.
You say you would shoot the guy
Another person said if they were Crystal, they would hurt Misty.
I have said similar things in real life.
So are some of us so different then Ron threatening whoever took Haleigh???
Just wondering.


Good point. :wink:

[Mel]

Yea, you are probably right. I just thought he seemed like he knew already that Haleigh was gone when he arrived home that night. I wondered why he didn't grab a flashlight and go out that opened back door and look for Haleigh and call her name. Why didn't he do that, it worried me that he didn't. kwim? jmo

i agree with you...one would think, after finding your child missing, IF you're going to have another person call 911 for you, you'd be out running those paths in the woods with a flashlight, screaming your child's name...for all he knew, Haleigh could have been abducted within only a few minutes of him getting home...i would have woken up the entire neighborhood with me yelling my child's name outside..

& while i'm thinking about it..something else that's bothered me with the 911 call...there are several places in that call where it's obvious Misty isn't paying attention to the dispatcher...she has long pauses where she comes back & asks "HUH?"...i'm wondering at times, was Ron making hand signals to her about anything?...i know we hear him cussing & yelling thru most of the call, but...........just curious to me, & jmo

[rosieposett]

OH, OH!! you're right!
she only says that the AC man, & her brother with his kids, visited ..

Bingo, Mel. Did she not see Sykes? Did she forget she saw Sykes? What's up? Pretty strange.....

[Mel]

Officer Bowling stated that "we are satisfied" with "his account of the eight hours in question."

I think this is very vague and leaves LE much wiggle room.
Also, they have not confirmed Ron was at work his entire shift. They have not stated that Ron is not involved. In fact, they changed the suspect pool from "the whole world," to the people surrounding Haleigh.

Not wanting to be rude or confrontational, just wanting to keep it as real as possible, despite all of our own takes on the character of each "player" in this sad saga.


i agree...much "wiggle room"

[Mel]

Would that include Crystal circling that wagon, since in the very beginning she talked highly of Misty.
jmo

yes, she talked highly of Misty, with what info she had about the girl...she also stated she hoped Misty had nothing to do with this

[dohinmom]

I started to read todays thread and I can't open blink's blog about misty's 3 day bender and I have no idea what it is all about.

I would really appreciate if someone who is up to date could give me a short refresher on this. TIA:wub:

When did this bender occur and who is the guy that she went on the bender with and what is his alibi for the night poor Haleigh was taken?

Sorry for all the questions.:blushing:

Thanks again,

dolphinmom

[Mel]

Bingo, Mel. Did she not see Sykes? Did she forget she saw Sykes? What's up? Pretty strange.....

yes, pretty strange indeed..i hadn't even thought of that till i read Themis's post..i don't buy that Sykes brought over clothes & checked on the kids, & Misty didn't see her..checking on the kids would include, IMO, making sure someone was there watching them

jmo

[Mel]

where did you hear they have NOT confirmed Ron was at work his entire shift? Because that's not what the LE or his boss said. but i do agree Ron nor ANYONE else has been cleared.

i'm specially concerned with the fact Crystal was suppose to be in court the next day for child support and her boyfriend has a history of domestic violence with a child :(

i haven't heard about any statements from Ron's boss...is there a link to either a news site or a site where locals were discussing this?

[Mimi428]

Your post reminds of me of something.
You say you would shoot the guy
Another person said if they were Crystal, they would hurt Misty.
I have said similar things in real life.
So are some of us so different then Ron threatening whoever took Haleigh???
Just wondering.

You are ignoring the key difference.

Misty has been identified as the person in the house. Crystal or Marie or whoever - if they were to go & kick somebody's behind - KNOW their target has a name & it is Misty.

If I were to say that I would shoot the person who harmed by child - it is understood that 1) someone hurt my child in the first place & 2) I knew the identity of that person that needing shooting by me & 3) I go & shoot a specific person, someone who has been identified.

Problem for Ron is that he did not have the key elements of 1) & 2) before he was ready for 3).

JMO

[rosieposett]

i agree with you...one would think, after finding your child missing, IF you're going to have another person call 911 for you, you'd be out running those paths in the woods with a flashlight, screaming your child's name...for all he knew, Haleigh could have been abducted within only a few minutes of him getting home...i would have woken up the entire neighborhood with me yelling my child's name outside..

& while i'm thinking about it..something else that's bothered me with the 911 call...there are several places in that call where it's obvious Misty isn't paying attention to the dispatcher...she has long pauses where she comes back & asks "HUH?"...i'm wondering at times, was Ron making hand signals to her about anything?...i know we hear him cussing & yelling thru most of the call, but...........just curious to me, & jmo

RC certainly seemed to want to stay close to Misti and that 911 call. I agree with you I think he was giving her hand signals. How can a person concentrate on hand signals when their child is missing. Go out in them woods, scour every bush, yell her name, wake up neighbors, get all the dogs barking. Misti and Ron's actions that night make no sense to me. Something isn't right. jmo

[bama__angel]

Your post reminds of me of something.
You say you would shoot the guy
Another person said if they were Crystal, they would hurt Misty.
I have said similar things in real life.
So are some of us so different then Ron threatening whoever took Haleigh???
Just wondering.



No Ron is no different than I would be if I even suspected someone was trying to harm either of my 2 sons........They better give their heart to God because their a## would be mine... I am deadly serious.......

Ron's reaction was one of total terror and panic......but I also think he means it....as I would....

[Peaches]

Would that include Crystal circling that wagon, since in the very beginning she talked highly of Misty.
jmo


doneit, I'll just bet Crysal's attorney is a little upset with her already. She has said too many things on tv that just do not jive!

One thing ...........then another..........not the same.

Now, we have caught her not telling the truth on national tv..........so that means to me...................I do not trust anything she says.

that is just me................

AND............everyone yelling about why Ronald is not out looking for HaLeigh................

Has anyone heard about Crystal and her family looking????????

Yes...........I know the attorney had them open HaLeighBug place but before yesterday what were they doing?

Poor...............HaLeigh ------------Le't find HaLeigh!

[bookie]

Officer Bowling stated that "we are satisfied" with "his account of the eight hours in question."

I think this is very vague and leaves LE much wiggle room.

Also, they have not confirmed Ron was at work his entire shift. They have not stated that Ron is not involved. In fact, they changed the suspect pool from "the whole world," to the people surrounding Haleigh.

Not wanting to be rude or confrontational, just wanting to keep it as real as possible, despite all of our own takes on the character of each "player" in this sad saga.




I disagree. It isn't vague, it's very specific. The police are focusing on Misti and her inconsistencies. They aren't focusing on Ron because they know where he was between 7-10:30pm....the times in question.

[Politigal]

for those of you that suspect Misty.....

I've never read any scenarios from any of you on exactly how she would have carried out the process of removing Haleigh from the home.

From what I've read - Misty did not have a vehicle.

:confused:

[Mel]

RC certainly seemed to want to stay close to Misti and that 911 call. I agree with you I think he was giving her hand signals. How can a person concentrate on hand signals when their child is missing. Go out in them woods, scour every bush, yell her name, wake up neighbors, get all the dogs barking. Misti and Ron's actions that night make no sense to me. Something isn't right. jmo

exactly..something isnt' right at all

i'll check back in this evening & in the meantime, hope there's a break in this case today

[Mel]

so now grandma's lying?

i think it's very possible..

[Peaches]

where did you hear they have NOT confirmed Ron was at work his entire shift? Because that's not what the LE or his boss said. but i do agree Ron nor ANYONE else has been cleared.

i'm specially concerned with the fact Crystal was suppose to be in court the next day for child support and her boyfriend has a history of domestic violence with a child :(



And..............FA, that is why we are not seeing this BF around anymore. My opinion is that the attorney knows his past will bite Crystal in the ...........!

It looks to me that he does not need to be around children if he was convicted of "domestic violence on a child."

[odyssey]

Good awareness. Yep, when their lies catch up to them they change the subject to the child. That's real adult.

Do you feel the same way when Crystal's lawyer changes the subject to Haleigh? Or only when the Cummings side does it? If that is true for one side, it would be true for the other side .. right?

jmoo

[Mel]

the LE on JVM and on GVS said that they talked to his boss and that he was at work and they are satisfied with his account of the eight hours in question.

thank you..

[Peaches]

Umm yes it was confirmed the grandmother did see haleigh after Ron went to work........


AND............if some question ggm...................

A neighbor saw HaLeigh out playing after Ron was at work............that is what LE has said.

This is the reason for their window of 7 pm - 3 am

moo

[rosieposett]

yes, pretty strange indeed..i hadn't even thought of that till i read Themis's post..i don't buy that Sykes brought over clothes & checked on the kids, & Misty didn't see her..checking on the kids would include, IMO, making sure someone was there watching them

jmo

Themis's post got me thinking too. Like it was reported the temp. was 58 degrees and evening falling. Would the kids have really been eating on the porch? That's kind of chilly. all just thoughts I have, jmo

[Mimi428]

yes, pretty strange indeed..i hadn't even thought of that till i read Themis's post..i don't buy that Sykes brought over clothes & checked on the kids, & Misty didn't see her..checking on the kids would include, IMO, making sure someone was there watching them

jmo

But Annette might have seen that the kids were eating something that would have taken at least a bit of preparation by Misty. She may have asked Haleigh & Junior something like "ooooh, did Misty fix you all that mac & cheese? Yummmm - that looks very good, are you going to eat all of it?". A little child would say w/o guile - "Granny! Misty didn't fix it....".

That approach tells Annette that Misty has been there within the past few minutes. She can continue with similar innocent conversation that gets info out of the kids that Misty is there - & it does not require Annette to look right at Misty to confirm her presence.

JMO

[rosieposett]

Do you feel the same way when Crystal's lawyer changes the subject to Haleigh? Or only when the Cummings side does it? If that is true for one side, it would be true for the other side .. right?

jmoo

I meant EVERYONE involved.

[Peaches]

No Ron is no different than I would be if I even suspected someone was trying to harm either of my 2 sons........They better give their heart to God because their a## would be mine... I am deadly serious.......

Ron's reaction was one of total terror and panic......but I also think he means it....as I would....




:lol::lol: My mom used to say that all the time! Give your heart.........


And, I agree with everything you have written here.

I do not believe that Ron did anything to HaLeigh!

[Peaches]

for those of you that suspect Misty.....

I've never read any scenarios from any of you on exactly how she would have carried out the process of removing Haleigh from the home.

From what I've read - Misty did not have a vehicle.

:confused:


For the life of me, I can not see Misty hurting HaLeigh...............I think maybe she was asleep and does not know what happened.

Maybe I just want to believe this...................

I pray that no one HaLeigh loved and trusted hurt her.

That is just me.

[Owlface]

And..............FA, that is why we are not seeing this BF around anymore. My opinion is that the attorney knows his past will bite Crystal in the ...........!

It looks to me that he does not need to be around children if he was convicted of "domestic violence on a child."

there is no evidence that he was convicted of domestic violence on a child.

[Pebbles]

Do you feel the same way when Crystal's lawyer changes the subject to Haleigh? Or only when the Cummings side does it? If that is true for one side, it would be true for the other side .. right?

jmoo

I feel the same way when any one says it, instead of being truthful and honest so a little child can be found. Everyone knows a focus is on a missing child, they are only trying to get answers so they know what may have caused the child to be missing and where and how to begin the search.

As we have seen, when people begin to refuse to answer questions and turn it around to "we have to find ****", they are usually hiding something. If a family really wants to find a child and they have nothing to hide, they will answer every question no matter how it reflects on the family. If the focus is truly suppose to be on finding a missing child, then stop worrying about how the world is going to look at you and be forthcoming with truthful information.

[rosieposett]

Do you feel the same way when Crystal's lawyer changes the subject to Haleigh? Or only when the Cummings side does it? If that is true for one side, it would be true for the other side .. right?

jmoo

Please don't mistake me as being on Crystal's side. I'm not on Ron or Misti's side either. But all seem to be liars. That was my point. jmo

[Peaches]

Do you feel the same way when Crystal's lawyer changes the subject to Haleigh? Or only when the Cummings side does it? If that is true for one side, it would be true for the other side .. right?

jmoo


I love it!

Crystal's attorney did not want Nancy asking what Crystal said on her show that Ron did not abuse the children when she was with him.........that she had never seen him abuse them.

Then...........on GR's show..............OH! Yes, Crystal had seen Ron abuse the children.

Which is it Crystal?

I'll just bet she got an ear full from her attorney after that show! As she should.

Come on people -------------- tell what you know. Tell the truth!

Help find HaLeigh!

[Pebbles]

no i think everyone has the ability to lie but why would she lie from day one? was she in on the kidnapping, murder or what ? Did Ron call them and tell them the story to tell?



Protecting, or defending, a family member?

[Mimi428]

Themis's post got me thinking too. Like it was reported the temp. was 58 degrees and evening falling. Would the kids have really been eating on the porch? That's kind of chilly. all just thoughts I have, jmo

You have the same thought about that as I have had - it does not seem reasonable to believe the kids were sitting outside to eat on an evening when it is 58 degrees outside. They wouldn't have even had the benefit of the sun shining on them at that hour, in that scenario. And by the time they got to the 4th bite of food - they would be eating cold food.

JMO

[Peaches]

Themis's post got me thinking too. Like it was reported the temp. was 58 degrees and evening falling. Would the kids have really been eating on the porch? That's kind of chilly. all just thoughts I have, jmo


They were not out in the open...........it was warmer on the porch.

And...............who knows what they were wearing..........maybe a sweatsuit!

[CANDYKISSES]

Good morning! Thanks for the new thread!! Oh my, I could hardly believe this article! Doesn't Blink post on here sometimes? Sorry, I am behind, didn't read last nights stuff, jumped right to this morning, color me shocked!

Ironically I think posters who are banned from other message boards go out in the name of blink and post the allegations that meet the lowest level of decency because other missing persons boards don't permit such. JMO tho.

Didn't blink:wink:& Co. accuse someone else yesterday and have his pic up with a drug booking pic from 2006 and some here were claiming he was a sex offender?

I am saddened more day by day at the lack of accountability in decency with promoting false information used here because other boards don't allow for it.

I honestly feel for Coldwater as she tries to piece this all together. JMO.

:wub:Bring HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME SAFE & LET US HAVE A MIRACLE IN THIS CASE!:wub:

[Peaches]

I feel the same way when any one says it, instead of being truthful and honest so a little child can be found. Everyone knows a focus is on a missing child, they are only trying to get answers so they know what may have caused the child to be missing and where and how to begin the search.

As we have seen, when people begin to refuse to answer questions and turn it around to "we have to find ****", they are usually hiding something. If a family really wants to find a child and they have nothing to hide, they will answer every question no matter how it reflects on the family. If the focus is truly suppose to be on finding a missing child, then stop worrying about how the world is going to look at you and be forthcoming with truthful information.



I totally agree...............these people in HaLeigh's life need to take a truth pill.

Tell the truth.................all of you!

[nana6]

Hi All, well, it appears that I missed something big with this blink thing.I had a terrible morning with a migraine again. If you can please fill me in so I do not have to go all the way back. I apologise in advance. Nana:wub:

[bookie]

Ironically I think posters who are banned from other message boards go out in the name of blink and post the allegations that meet the lowest level of decency because other missing persons boards don't permit such. JMO tho.

Didn't blink:wink:& Co. accuse someone else yesterday and have his pic up with a drug booking pic from 2006 and some here were claiming he was a sex offender?

I am saddened more day by day at the lack of accountability in decency with promoting false information used here because other boards don't allow for it.

I honestly feel for Coldwater as she tries to piece this all together. JMO.

:wub:Bring HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME SAFE & LET US HAVE A MIRACLE IN THIS CASE!:wub :



Yep, there were 2 Greg's posted as the one Misti was with but we're supposed to believe the "facts" posted were confirmed. :rolleyes:

I had to snip one of your smileys.

[Mimi428]

They were not out in the open...........it was warmer on the porch.

And...............who knows what they were wearing..........maybe a sweatsuit!

But how do we know it was warmer on the porch? Do we know which direction the porch faces?

[Peaches]

Ironically I think posters who are banned from other message boards go out in the name of blink and post the allegations that meet the lowest level of decency because other missing persons boards don't permit such. JMO tho.

Didn't blink:wink:& Co. accuse someone else yesterday and have his pic up with a drug booking pic from 2006 and some here were claiming he was a sex offender?

I am saddened more day by day at the lack of accountability in decency with promoting false information used here because other boards don't allow for it.

I honestly feel for Coldwater as she tries to piece this all together. JMO.

:wub:Bring HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME SAFE & LET US HAVE A MIRACLE IN THIS CASE!:wub:

Hello Candy Kisses,

Many poster here love Blink............when I said that she/he is just another blogger...........I had to get my hard hat on before the blows came.

Also, if anyone challenged anything posted by this particular poster, he/she snapped...............moo as if how dare you question me.

I have already decided to take what she/he says with a grain of salt.

See you later...............gotta run.

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree. Nothing in that link has been confirmed.


So what happened to the man that was being maligned yesterday?

I think Blink:blink: sends out the minions to do the dirty work for the most part to see where it will stand. JMO tho. :w00t:

I believe it all started over some message board battles that divided a group of people and it's basically gone awry. JMO

I further believe that the Rivera Brothers in the SHEEP CLOTHING put this little scam together with Crystal regarding the "man in black" to "the black man in black", but that is just a very sick in the stomach feeling I have, especially after the lies about who reported that Misty might have gone out.

AGAIN, I don't dismiss any possibilities, but the characters in this one are starting to look pretty bad all the way around from my POV. barf

[rosieposett]

You have the same thought about that as I have had - it does not seem reasonable to believe the kids were sitting outside to eat on an evening when it is 58 degrees outside. They wouldn't have even had the benefit of the sun shining on them at that hour, in that scenario. And by the time they got to the 4th bite of food - they would be eating cold food.

JMO

Exactly. My thinking too.

[Tornado]

I don't believe any of this, total BS IMO. If your source is Cobra, he's a joke. He needs to crawl back under his rock and take Lenny with him.JMO

Do you know Cobra personally or have a distinct reason for feeling this way? Just asking.....

[CANDYKISSES]

I think the problem is blink linking her sight here but not if others link it.
Just guessing.

I think Coldwater is in the process of piecing it together and I've seen it happen before. When posters try to go around the terms of decency In Sessions has put in place and use others to dispense the ugly medicine in the form of posts directing back to unconfirmed gossip unacceptable on most forums that are moderated, she usually catches on. Give her time and she will outline what is acceptable here too.

Last week I caught the tail end of postings regarding people going out to IS message boards with the trash because it was not acceptable somewhere else. JMOOC.

[Themis]

Mornin Peaches, and all

I didn't get in on the discussion because it is what it is, a BLOG!!
I read some of them and take it all with a grain of salt.

Themis, re: #978 (sorry, ha ha, had to do that way)
Thank you for your response to me.
You're welcome, doneit. Well, actually it was #977 but that's OK...only took me a minute to learn what you were referring to.:tonguewag:

[nana6]

This case ,imo is moving slowly. No searches in the recent past (last weekend) that I know of, nothing from LE. I just wonder, either LE has alot on them and is holdiong all they know close to their vests so to speak or maybe Andy and Barney Fife are there giving their assistance. This case is scaring me because there is not one relative that is giving helpful information or acting frantic to get her back. By frantic I mean getting neighbors and friends together to get another search done. Ron and Misty need to get back to LE and beg if they have to for another LD test so LE can move forward. I also believe that it would have been just fine had another relative taken JR to the faif FGS.

[bookie]

So what happened to the man that was being maligned yesterday?

I think Blink:blink: sends out the minions to do the dirty work for the most part to see where it will stand. JMO tho. :w00t:

I believe it all started over some message board battles that divided a group of people and it's basically gone awry. JMO

I further believe that the Rivera Brothers in the SHEEP CLOTHING put this little scam together with Crystal regarding the "man in black" to "the black man in black", but that is just a very sick in the stomach feeling I have, especially after the lies about who reported that Misty might have gone out.

AGAIN, I don't dismiss any possibilities, but the characters in this one are starting to look pretty bad all the way around from my POV. barf




I think people should be very careful when checking myspace profiles then posting them. So far several Greg's have been linked here and none of them may even be involved in this case.

I know if my name was linked on a case I had nothing to do with I'd be big time po'd. I think it's very irresponsible to start dragging people through the mud with no evidence they even know anyone involved in the case.

If there is no Greg then 2 names have been pulled into this mess and even if there is a Greg another name has been pulled into it. Their names and faces will come up on a google search of this case now.

[CANDYKISSES]

Do you know Cobra personally or have a distinct reason for feeling this way? Just asking.....

All the trashy talk HE engaged in during an audio interview is certainly enough for anyone to form a FIRST IMPRESSION on IMO and then it seems he scurried off into the background IMO. I don't think he counted on the full UNEDITED AUDIO hitting and spreading from my POV.

The language was much more than SALTY and his remarks were all over the place actually catching himself in blunders whilst he was blowing off steam.

ALL MOO...You don't get second chances to make first impressions if my memory serves me well. :sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

Hello Candy Kisses,

Many poster here love Blink............when I said that she/he is just another blogger...........I had to get my hard hat on before the blows came.

Also, if anyone challenged anything posted by this particular poster, he/she snapped...............moo as if how dare you question me.

I have already decided to take what she/he says with a grain of salt.

See you later...............gotta run.

Hi Peaches, I'd like to recommend a box of Morton's on your trip out today. :sneaky: JMO

[Tornado]

All the trashy talk HE engaged in during an audio interview is certainly enough for anyone to form a FIRST IMPRESSION on IMO and then it seems he scurried off into the background IMO. I don't think he counted on the full UNEDITED AUDIO hitting and spreading from my POV.

The language was much more than SALTY and his remarks were all over the place actually catching himself in blunders whilst he was blowing off steam.

ALL MOO...You don't get second chances to make first impressions if my memory serves me well. :sad:

I understand- that was not my impression but I accept your reasoning. TY

[Themis]

Why is AMW not carrying a thorough, detailed show on this case?
Because John Walsh's show, America's Most Wanted, is only one hour?

[kkmiausa]

where did you hear they have NOT confirmed Ron was at work his entire shift? Because that's not what the LE or his boss said. but i do agree Ron nor ANYONE else has been cleared.

i'm specially concerned with the fact Crystal was suppose to be in court the next day for child support and her boyfriend has a history of domestic violence with a child :(


I think these comments about Crystal are totally out of line. She had visitation and if she really wanted to do something to those kids she could do it any time. Why in the world would she go there in the middle of the night with Misty there and take Haleigh, and leave Ron Jr.???It makes absolutely no sense. Nowhere have I ever heard that Crystal mistreated her children. So you think she would murder them over money?? Please.

[odyssey]

Protecting, or defending, a family member?

Misty wasn't her family member. Haleigh is. And her grandson was at work. I don't understand why people would think she would lie or cover for a girl she had known for six months over her great grand baby of five years. But I accept that no matter what people will and can discount anyone who doesn't jibe with what they think happened or want to have happened or fear happened or whatever.

jmoo

[Tornado]

Ironically, Candy, I have seen that happen many times. In this case, it is me, and it is my article on my site and I stand behind it.

Allow me to correct your facts from your post about false information and accountability if I may:

The photos are from 2 seperate articles, one is of a convicted so that was discussed at lenght on many boards, and that is the extent I will comment on this individual at this time.

The other is a photo of Greg Page, and yes, he was arrested on drug charges in 2006, and there is a link to those charges on that article.

No false info, no mix up, all facts.

As was requested on most of last evening's thread, to the blinkbashers on here, if you can disprove what I wrote than do. If not, then accept the information or reject it and move on to discuss what I thought was the objective: finding this child.

As far as what is not allowed or allowed on other boards, it is not my place to say, but I feel sorry for mods that would have to spend their time on nonsense for people that dare to have a differing opinion.

I have PM'd Coldwater and am happy to abide by whatever she says. When I am in someone else's house, I am happy to abide by their rules.
Respectfully, Blink


Bravo Blink- Bravo.

[CANDYKISSES]

This case ,imo is moving slowly. No searches in the recent past (last weekend) that I know of, nothing from LE. I just wonder, either LE has alot on them and is holdiong all they know close to their vests so to speak or maybe Andy and Barney Fife are there giving their assistance. This case is scaring me because there is not one relative that is giving helpful information or acting frantic to get her back. By frantic I mean getting neighbors and friends together to get another search done. Ron and Misty need to get back to LE and beg if they have to for another LD test so LE can move forward. I also believe that it would have been just fine had another relative taken JR to the faif FGS.

Nana, I continue to pray for a fast resolution, but don't know enough to begin to understand if that is realistic. I am reminded of the girls from OK and that it's still a mystery....:crying:

[CC I See]

All the trashy talk HE engaged in during an audio interview is certainly enough for anyone to form a FIRST IMPRESSION on IMO and then it seems he scurried off into the background IMO. I don't think he counted on the full UNEDITED AUDIO hitting and spreading from my POV.

The language was much more than SALTY and his remarks were all over the place actually catching himself in blunders whilst he was blowing off steam.

ALL MOO...You don't get second chances to make first impressions if my memory serves me well. :sad:....none of that matters. If the information is indeed true and I am saying IF, then it might shine a light on what happened that night and why Haleigh went missing.

No one has to like or dislike him for this to happen. All LE has to do is know about what is being said and then start doing some checking on their own. If those mentioned by COBRA are innocent and there is nothing of merit to the investigation, then all of it should be dropped. Until that happens ANY information is better than none... at this point.

[rosieposett]

Because John Walsh's show, America's Most Wanted, is only one hour?

:laugh: Good One. Kidding aside, I sorta thought LE or FBI might have asked John Walsh not to touch this case, not yet. just a thought, no link. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Yep, there were 2 Greg's posted as the one Misti was with but we're supposed to believe the "facts" posted were confirmed. :rolleyes:

I had to snip one of your smileys.

Well Bookie, I am still looking for the one that was listed as a SO but not registered...

When I went back to see his myspace that was linked here, voila it was gone so I am guessing others feel it is disingenuous to drag people out of nowhere and put them up on the whodunnit list without correct information. I am reminded of the outrageous allegations concerning the McCann family and carrying a body to see the Pope. :cursing: I think that was by far one of the worst and I was quite pleased when they received some form of clearing.

JMO

[nana6]

Nana, I continue to pray for a fast resolution, but don't know enough to begin to understand if that is realistic. I am reminded of the girls from OK and that it's still a mystery....:crying:

Hi Candy, Ah, not a good morning for me today and I am a little slow. What do you mean the girls from ok? sorry, nana

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't disreguard Cobra because of his language. He has been on the ground there, and thats more than we can say. If we want to rule out Cobra's credibility because of his language, then we would all hafta rule out RC too for his mouth.

I haven't ruled Cobra out based on language, I was totally disgusted with his language. That aside, he was caught up in his own one way conversations with tales that didn't match, OR his the interpretation was really lost in delivery on the page first linked here.

Some posters actually ran with the idea that Mrs. Sykes was entertaining Ron and Cobra in her home and they were happily drinking off the same sweet tea plastic cup....:thumbdown:

Mrs. Sykes has never been CALLED MEEMAW in anything I've ever read here, and thank goodness a poster looked it up and sure enough it was a little food shack (lacking a better word, sorry no offense to MeeMaw's).

This is just one step in the misinformation train and the way Cobra made the allegations about Misty aka Missy IHW and any allegations outside her relationship with Ron and family. Somehow the worst of it was the morphing of a statement attributed to Ron and posters were posting away AS THOUGH RON WAS ON THE TAPE. I have personally seen situations where many posters don't click on links because they fear viruses and aren't tech savvy, so imagine how easy it is to convince them and have a story morph and spread like wildfire???? It's wrong and people speculating and reporting in have a responsibility to do it CORRECTLY IMOO.

Please feel free to visit MeeMaw's Kitchen Table the next time you're in the Satsuma area.

http://www.squidoo.com/satsuma-cove-chamber#module9928330

I'm not linking the statement about Haleigh as it involves the vile audio of Cobra, but check for yourself and you will see it vs what was reported here. JMO period.

[Themis]

:laugh: Good One. Kidding aside, I sorta thought LE or FBI might have asked John Walsh not to touch this case, not yet. just a thought, no link. jmo
Reference post 260 by RosiePosett

Rosie, you put forth an interesting idea. It may well be that is the reason that AMW has not featured Haleigh. That and the fact that LE has been extraordinarily tight lipped from Day One. When days and days have passed and LE makes a public statement to the effect they do not even know what crime has been committed that is very telling.

I still have enough faith in LE at this point that since they did not issue a blanket warning to all residents to ensure all windows and doors were locked 24/7 indicates to me they do not think little Haleigh was kidnapped by a stranger-abductor.

I sure hope my faith in them is not proved to be misplaced downstream.

[Tornado]

I haven't ruled Cobra out based on language, I was totally disgusted with his language. That aside, he was caught up in his own one way conversations with tales that didn't match, OR his the interpretation was really lost in delivery on the page first linked here.

Some posters actually ran with the idea that Mrs. Sykes was entertaining Ron and Cobra in her home and they were happily drinking off the same sweet tea plastic cup....:thumbdown:

Mrs. Sykes has never been CALLED MEEMAW in anything I've ever read here, and thank goodness a poster looked it up and sure enough it was a little food shack (lacking a better word, sorry no offense to MeeMaw's).

This is just one step in the misinformation train and the way Cobra made the allegations about Misty aka Missy IHW and any allegations outside her relationship with Ron and family. Somehow the worst of it was the morphing of a statement attributed to Ron and posters were posting away AS THOUGH RON WAS ON THE TAPE. I have personally seen situations where many posters don't click on links because they fear viruses and aren't tech savvy, so imagine how easy it is to convince them and have a story morph and spread like wildfire???? It's wrong and people speculating and reporting in have a responsibility to do it CORRECTLY IMOO.

Please feel free to visit MeeMaw's Kitchen Table the next time you're in the Satsuma area.

http://www.squidoo.com/satsuma-cove-chamber#module9928330

I'm not linking the statement about Haleigh as it involves the vile audio of Cobra, but check for yourself and you will see it vs what was reported here. JMO period.

Ummm- Candy not to argue but where did you get the idea that MeeMaws was Mrs. Sykes? He distinctly states that this is a diner/restraunt. I just want to make sure I am not hearing things or missed something along the way. TY

[nana6]

bbl friends:smile:

[crymeariver2006]

And..............FA, that is why we are not seeing this BF around anymore. My opinion is that the attorney knows his past will bite Crystal in the ...........!

It looks to me that he does not need to be around children if he was convicted of "domestic violence on a child."

IF he had been convicted of domestic violence on a child, I would agree.

But nobody has found and arrest or a conviction for those type charges.

His ex-wife filed for the protective order. It was dismissed when she withdrew it.

Ron also had a protective order filed against him. It was dismissed when Crystal withdrew it.

[CANDYKISSES]

Ummm- Candy not to argue but where did you get the idea that MeeMaws was Mrs. Sykes? He distinctly states that this is a diner/restraunt. I just want to make sure I am not hearing things or missed something along the way. TY

I NEVER BELIEVED it was MRS. SYKES, but if you take a trip back to the day the filthy tape was released...you will see all the wild speculation from posters claiming RON SAID when he wasn't even on the tape to allegations of the two of them sitting at Mrs. Sykes table. IT's a good read and most of it is still up. JMO:rolleyes:

Look for the translation of COBRA's comment concerning what he alleged Ron stated...that's really off the wall. JMO

[odyssey]

IF he had been convicted of domestic violence on a child, I would agree.

But nobody has found and arrest or a conviction for those type charges.

His ex-wife filed for the protective order. It was dismissed when she withdrew it.

Ron also had a protective order filed against him. It was dismissed when Crystal withdrew it.

Yet it was in place for approximately two and a half years. That is a long time for a protection order to be in place and it is concerning to me. I am concerned with anyone who came in contact with this little girl whether family, family friend, acquaintance or virtual stranger. With no one cleared there are many directions to look.

ETA: Crystal's order was a temp one and last I *believe* one or two days. If that were the sort of order that was against Chad and was done years ago on a temp basis for a couple of days i would not be as concerned, if at all.

[CANDYKISSES]

IF he had been convicted of domestic violence on a child, I would agree.

But nobody has found and arrest or a conviction for those type charges.

His ex-wife filed for the protective order. It was dismissed when she withdrew it.

Ron also had a protective order filed against him. It was dismissed when Crystal withdrew it.

Well, there is no conviction for yesterday's stranger of the day but he was called a SO who failed to register with only an alleged booking photo for drug allegations...:confused:

While we are on Crystal and Chad, do you have any information about what might have pre-empted the withdrawing of either protective order? I'm curious like that. :unsure:

I hope it wasn't like the false reporting of a felony thus the removal. JMO tho. :w00t:

[SwineFeld]

As far as this case is concerned, I don't think there is one family member on either side, or one friend of any of those family members that hasn't had some sort of run-in with the law.

How sad and very hard that must be on LE when trying to sort through that mess when trying to find Haleigh. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. JMO

[rosieposett]

Reference post 260 by RosiePosett

Rosie, you put forth an interesting idea. It may well be that is the reason that AMW has not featured Haleigh. That and the fact that LE has been extraordinarily tight lipped from Day One. When days and days have passed and LE makes a public statement to the effect they do not even know what crime has been committed that is very telling.

I still have enough faith in LE at this point that since they did not issue a blanket warning to all residents to ensure all windows and doors were locked 24/7 indicates to me they do not think little Haleigh was kidnapped by a stranger-abductor.

I sure hope my faith in them is not proved to be misplaced downstream.

LE being so tight lipped has me scared. I want so much to believe they know what they are doing and that the FBI is right there every step of the way guiding their efforts. But these little scary thoughts creep in and I get paranoid that this case will never be solved or that sweet child brought home.

From the beginning I have thought that a LOT of planets would have to line up for the SO theory to have taken place. I just can't see it. I know it is a possibility yet there is too much pointing in the opposite direction. I pray the case will be solved. I pray for Haleigh. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Yet it was in place for approximately two and a half years. That is a long time for a protection order to be in place and it is concerning to me. I am concerned with anyone who came in contact with this little girl whether family, family friend, acquaintance or virtual stranger. With no one cleared there are many directions to look.
ETA: Crystal's order was a temp one and last I *believe* one or two days. If that were the sort of order that was against Chad and was done years ago on a temp basis for a couple of days i would not be as concerned, if at all.

*Bolding mine

I totally agree with that.

But at this point, we have zero evidence that Chad Griffis ever was reported for mistreating either of Crystal's children.

We have no record that he was ever arrested and/or charged and/or convicted of mistreating his own.

Some have said that Crystal reported abuse just to get back at Ron, why would Chad's ex-wife be excluded from that same train of thought?

[joyzzce]

But Annette might have seen that the kids were eating something that would have taken at least a bit of preparation by Misty. She may have asked Haleigh & Junior something like "ooooh, did Misty fix you all that mac & cheese? Yummmm - that looks very good, are you going to eat all of it?". A little child would say w/o guile - "Granny! Misty didn't fix it....".

That approach tells Annette that Misty has been there within the past few minutes. She can continue with similar innocent conversation that gets info out of the kids that Misty is there - & it does not require Annette to look right at Misty to confirm her presence.

JMO

Ived read in the article that it is 40 degrees that night and eating at the porch with that weather is quite unlikely but i dont know..

[CANDYKISSES]

As far as this case is concerned, I don't think there is one family member on either side, or one friend of any of those family members that hasn't had some sort of run-in with the law.

How sad and very hard that must be on LE when trying to sort through that mess when trying to find Haleigh. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. JMO

AMEN SWINEFELD, the only difference between this and Orange County is that so much was done by electronic technology that could be traced IMO. This may be a disadvantage here, given I think solving this case isn't right around the corner sans a miracle IMO.

BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME! :wub:

[joyzzce]

And the way Ron acted on the 911 call was probably just the way he is in a crisis situation...no more, no less, no hidden agendas...

jmo


I see and felt that Ron's action and words on that 911 is a natural reaction of an angry , upset and worried man. IMO What came out from his mouth are all unexpected IMO... But then again - we dont know the real Ronald Cummings.. IMO

[Tornado]

Nope, don't know him. He just sets my hinky meter off. If what I have read on Blink site is even true , but I'm not clicking on Blinks site again.

If Ron's so "abusive" you really think Misty would take off for 3 drug filled days with another guy?
then marry her. He'd kick her azz to the curb, IMO

See I didn't take my information from Blinks post- I took it from the live audio with Cobra and his rendition of RC and Cobras conversations. Although he talks like a sailor- I thought that this interview was very straight to the point about everything some want to say about Misti but are not allowed to. IMO

[odyssey]

*Bolding mine

I totally agree with that.

But at this point, we have zero evidence that Chad Griffis ever was reported for mistreating either of Crystal's children.

We have no record that he was ever arrested and/or charged and/or convicted of mistreating his own.

Some have said that Crystal reported abuse just to get back at Ron, why would Chad's ex-wife be excluded from that same train of thought?

For *me* the reason would be the fact that it was a permanent order put in place. It is relatively easy, depending on the judge you get, to get a temporary restraining order. All a temp order is is your allegations without any defense or statement from the person you are claiming to fear.
For a permanent order to be placed, evidence would have to have been established, either directly, or speaking to witnesses, or admissions of the accused to the court. These would be family court proceedings in this case and sealed because it was on behalf of minor children.
I am definitely NOT saying that Chad Griffis is a "bad man". I know very little about him. I merely state that *in most cases* a permanent order of protection lasting for so long would have to be substantially upheld in general so, in my opinion, would be worth noting and perhaps investigating or "sleuthing" as some here say :)

jmoo

[joyzzce]

So it would seem that Ron married Misty to keep her from this greg guy. If that is the case, this relationship is gonna EXPLODE at some point.


From the beginning, i really think Ron married Misty to control her. Misty is a minor and once a lawyer offer a pro bono on her case - all she will be told is to shut up and dont say anything - then this will become a more problem. Now , since Ron have access to her - he will be able to track down her movements and check on people trying to contact her.

[bookie]

*Bolding mine

I totally agree with that.

But at this point, we have zero evidence that Chad Griffis ever was reported for mistreating either of Crystal's children.

We have no record that he was ever arrested and/or charged and/or convicted of mistreating his own.

Some have said that Crystal reported abuse just to get back at Ron, why would Chad's ex-wife be excluded from that same train of thought?


We have no record that Ron was ever arrested and/or charged and/or convicted of mistreating his kids but that hasnt stopped the claims on here that he abused his kids.

Does Chad's ex-wife have an arrest for making false police reports? We know Crystal does. There's the difference imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

Candy, you are giving incorrect information, I addressed it upthread some time ago. I have removed nothing.

Once again the article is accurate, you keep repeating yourself and the only person falsely reporting is you.

Greg Page was booked, thats his photo, and his charge and booking record is right on there.

Greg White IS a convicted SO, he is REQUIRED to register, and has convictions for SO in GA, and absconding in Fla. Check the Fla registry for yourself.

They are 2 different people with 2 different articles and I would hope I would not have to repeat this again, what's the deal with bashing anyone that does not agree with you?

You keep posting about erroneous facts what you cleary have not checked yours.


The credibility of your blog is beyond questionable, and I'm not giving you any more attention. The first impression with that disgusting audio was more than enough IMO. You do understand the post spoke to verbiage here on this site, and that's what we were discussing. Apparently after the moderator here got a gander at what was posted, it was removed. AGAIN, if you know these things your claiming, contact LE otherwise I don't take information from your blog to discuss here.

JMO on the situation and you can try to pedal trash all the way to the dump, as I won't be going down that road. :smile:

Peace Out

[SavannahStar]

The credibility of your blog is beyond questionable, and I'm not giving you any more attention. The first impression with that disgusting audio was more than enough IMO. You do understand the post spoke to verbiage here on this site, and that's what we were discussing. Apparently after the moderator here got a gander at what was posted, it was removed. AGAIN, if you know these things your claiming, contact LE otherwise I don't take information from your blog to discuss here.

JMO on the situation and you can try to pedal trash all the way to the dump, as I won't be going down that road. :smile:

Peace Out


Bravo to you, Candy. I share your sentiments!

[odyssey]

GREAT POST............... :beer: ITA


Did Chad take a LDT?

To the best of my knowledge, LE has not stated whether he did or not. I really don't know though I believe most, if not all, of the "main people" in Haleigh's life offered Lie Detector Tests. I have not personally read that anyone refused to though it is possible.

Also, I remember the day of or day after Ronald got married there was an article that came out that said LE was satisfied that Ronald had no idea where his little girl was, or words to that effect. I've been unable to find it the last day or so. Does anyone have that link please? TIA

jmoo

[CANDYKISSES]

ummmm ......Father admits to killing son because he owed $4000 in child support.

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/childs_corpse_found_near_centr.html

It happens a lot more then people want to admit. Would you like for me to find you more links?

I'm NOT accusing Crystal im just saying it happens and i'm also scared about her boyfriend.

Sadly it happens more than we know. There was a case involving a special needs child here and the child was killed over money IMO. :mad:

I am not thinking the family is involved in this case, I just can't believe that, but if it's proven I will accept it. These children deserved so much more. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I find it amazing that less than twenty-four hours ago a poster pasted his/her communications from a NAMED "reliable source" (Chelsea Croslin) and we are told not to believe it because of the credibility issue yada yada....and now just this morning a blogger has information (not confirmed by LE) but from an UNNAMED "reliable source" and people are taking it as if it were in written by God himself....:confused:

You might want to qualify this with "some people"

I'm just saying.....It's never a good idea to lump everyone together IMO

[crymeariver2006]

See here the difference...with Ronald they checked it out and nothing come of it...with Chad they put a permanent order in place. So there must have been something to the story.....MOO

The order was dismissed. How is it permanent if it was dismissed?

If it was permanent, it would be ongoing to this day.

(Oh, and by checked out, LE only said that they investigated claims of abuse, but that it did not result in "criminal charges". It is not a crime in Florida to hit your child with sticks or belts, therefore no crime, in the eyes of LE, was committed.)

[KKKKKKatie]

I'm not lumping anyone together...the people I am talking about know exactly who I am talking about.:wink:

Okie dokie then....

[CANDYKISSES]

I find it amazing that less than twenty-four hours ago a poster pasted his/her communications from a NAMED "reliable source" (Chelsea Croslin) and we are told not to believe it because of the credibility issue yada yada....and now just this morning a blogger has information (not confirmed by LE) but from an UNNAMED "reliable source" and people are taking it as if it were in written by God himself....:confused:

It's awful Pia and this is why the cases get so convoluted and LE winds up taking the beating over it imo.:sad:

[Peaches]

IMO if Crystal's attorney is as good as I think she is, she knows the first thing a judge looks for in a custody hearing is an established residence, perhaps he is taking care of that for her, or maybe he went back to work. In that link he wasn't convicted of that charge. i really don't think she is concerned with his past, judges want to know present. If they are smart they won't be living together so whatever he did won't be an issue.

We do not agree at all about what judges think..............I think that a judge will look at a protection that was ONLY lifted 4 or 5 months ago as something serious! That to me in NOW..........not in the past.

If this man abused his own children, it stands to reason he would not be too kind to someone else's. I certainly would not want him around one of my own.

Crystal is going to marry this man so I would think that they would live in the same house...............PLEASE!

[babblefishie]

Misty -- "I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it."

Not " I didn't do ANYTHING".... but IT

This is a statement analysis "tell" in my humble opinion...

I think Misty knows who did it.... and what IT was.

[odyssey]

The order was dismissed. How is it permanent if it was dismissed?

If it was permanent, it would be ongoing to this day.

(Oh, and by checked out, LE only said that they investigated claims of abuse, but that it did not result in "criminal charges". It is not a crime in Florida to hit your child with sticks or belts, therefore no crime, in the eyes of LE, was committed.)

It started in May of 2006 and was dismissed in December of 2008. That is not a temporary order.

[crymeariver2006]

We do not agree at all about what judges think..............I think that a judge will look at a protection that was ONLY lifted 4 or 5 months ago as something serious! That to me in NOW..........not in the past.

If this man abused his own children, it stands to reason he would not be too kind to someone else's. I certainly would not want him around one of my own.

Crystal is going to marry this man so I would think that they would live in the same house...............PLEASE!

Have there been any reports to DCF or the local LE that Chad Griffis abused, mistreated, was not kind to Crystal's children?

Does DCF admit they've been to Crystal's house because of abuse complaints against Crystal and/or Chad Griffis?

Does LE admit that they've been to Crystal's house because of abuse complaints against Crystal and/or Chad Griffis?

[crymeariver2006]

It started in May of 2006 and was dismissed in December of 2008. That is not a temporary order.

And again, how is it permanent when it is dismissed?

If it were permanent, it would have remained in place until the children turned 18. It did not.

How is it permanent when it is dismissed?

[aproudmom]

So Misty did take off before Haleigh went missing. Funny how it all comes back to the original rumors that all denied as the case progressed. I'm thinking the fight over the gun was more than likely true as well.

I heard this from early on that they split and then he went and brought her back just could not find the link or video but It was found out early on she had been gone he went to bring her back I thought it was the weekend before Haleigh went missing. I heard/seen this well before the person called to say she may have not been home that night. No link so put IMO

[CC I See]

See I didn't take my information from Blinks post- I took it from the live audio with Cobra and his rendition of RC and Cobras conversations. Although he talks like a sailor- I thought that this interview was very straight to the point about everything some want to say about Misti but are not allowed to. IMO.... I agree. Censorship at this point of the investigation would be a mistake since it seems to be at a standstill. Put the information out there and if it has no merit then it will soon be discounted. Truth is never afraid of the light shining on it.

[odyssey]

Have there been any reports to DCF or the local LE that Chad Griffis abused, mistreated, was not kind to Crystal's children?

Does DCF admit they've been to Crystal's house because of abuse complaints against Crystal and/or Chad Griffis?

Does LE admit that they've been to Crystal's house because of abuse complaints against Crystal and/or Chad Griffis?

There is not enough information to answer those questions. It has not been made public one way or the other. To be honest we do not even know if Chad has a relationship with Haleigh and Jr. I guess most of us assume he does since he is her fiance but we know nothing really about the man. It seems to me that all avenues should be investigated. At least to me.

jmoo

[bookie]

I cant go into the Greg White issue right now except to say when the grumbles of that name came out, his name and SO background surfaced as a possibility he was connected to the area. I can't say for certain whether or not he was/is, but I was NOT the first or 500th to address the issue on him.

Yes, the other is Greg Page and I reported on his confirmed affiliation with Misty.
Thanks for asking for the clarification

B


It hasn't been confirmed though. I'm sorry but you saying it on your blog doesn't confirm it.

[crymeariver2006]

Once again do we know if Chad babysits the children or is ever alone with Crystal's children? None of what he ever did matters.

No, we don't know that.

We have seen zero evidence that Chad has ever mistreated Crystal's children or been abusive to them in any way.

He must be the Scapegoat of the Day?

[Rushbo]

A) Your assuming I have not, and on what basis I have no idea. I'll go with I brought up something you dont agree with or like since I have made several offers to you to correct me if you felt my credibility is questionable as you put it.
B) I did not bring that verbiage here, nor would I, so if somone else did and it was removed, I support that.
C) I think it is pretty apparent this has become a personal issue for you and others on here and anytime someone dissents you guys swarm like bees for the beat down.

How's bout this? We shall agree to disagree and you are free to call my work, my site, trash all you like by mistating the information on it.
When this is over, and I was correct, I will very demurely accept your apology. Moving On.

Blink

Blink, the majority of the posters here love your blog and post the link to it here regularly.

Appreciate your hard work!

[emdragon]

Misty -- "I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it."

Not " I didn't do ANYTHING".... but IT

This is a statement analysis "tell" in my humble opinion...

I think Misty knows who did it.... and what IT was.

It isn't a "tell" at all when it is a response to a specific charge- at the time Misti was being accused of leaving the kids alone that night. thus the I didn't do it statement.

You also can't use a "tell" with someone who has such a limited vocabulary and low verbal skills.

[odyssey]

And again, how is it permanent when it is dismissed?

If it were permanent, it would have remained in place until the children turned 18. It did not.

How is it permanent when it is dismissed?

That is not usually how restraining orders are issued. They are typically renewed if need be, usually on a yearly basis. From the court records, it appears that his ex wife came in in December after it being in place for two and a half years and asked that the order be dismissed. The court did not object to that. We do not know the reason(s) she did that and it would be speculation to guess.
I am trying to look at all available facts.

jmoo

[bookie]

Once again do we know if Chad babysits the children or is ever alone with Crystal's children? None of what he ever did matters.


You can't honestly say none of what he ever did matters. The police haven't ruled anyone out yet other than the a/c repairman.

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA.....:ohmy:

I hear the musings of a cat in the background. It's sad in so many ways and ITA with Pat Brown in her article posted yesterday. :thumbup:
JMO

I believe if you have leads or viable tips, LE is most appreciative and even offers you anonymity because if you're really trying to help solve a case I would think that's important IF YOU REALLY WANT IT SOLVED vs the GOSSIP for the web IMOO. I don't believe in citizens interjecting themselves in to a case as so often they muddy the waters and add to the work for LE slowing down the solving of a case once they start ithrowing in new players because they think it's a possibility.

I remember the officer in the Nicholas Francisco case speaking out and so saddened by the accusations levied at the wife. :sad: JMO

[crymeariver2006]

There is not enough information to answer those questions. It has not been made public one way or the other. To be honest we do not even know if Chad has a relationship with Haleigh and Jr. I guess most of us assume he does since he is her fiance but we know nothing really about the man. It seems to me that all avenues should be investigated. At least to me.

jmoo

And I agree and have no doubt that Chad and Crystal's activities in the days and weeks prior to Haleigh's disappearance were investigated thoroughly and found to have no connection to her disappearance.

Had Chad's activities been less than stellar or pointed LE into his direction as being possibly connected, he would have been the one sitting for more than 30 hours of police interrogations and taking multiple LDT's.

JMO

[CC I See]

Misty -- "I don't care what people are saying about me because I didn't do it."

Not " I didn't do ANYTHING".... but IT

This is a statement analysis "tell" in my humble opinion...

I think Misty knows who did it.... and what IT was......so do I, and have said so from the very beginning. Comments on this board were not in agreement on this saying that I am taking it out of context, but I'm not. She knows what IT is and why Haleigh is now missing. Don't know what IT is but if she were to tell what she knows, Haleigh would no longer be missing. In my humble opinion.

[crymeariver2006]

I am not familiar with Florida code in the Family court area, but couldnt this just be standard of a PFA follows the parent/follows the Child scenario through the length of the divorce?

In some states if a PFA is granted to the spouse, it automatically covers the child and/or children regardless of the incident in question.
If that was the case, and the order was granted that way, it is feasible it could stand that long. He does not have any charges of Child Abuse that I could find, jumho.

IIRC, their divorce was final in 2006.

[odyssey]

Once again do we know if Chad babysits the children or is ever alone with Crystal's children? None of what he ever did matters.

Well if one of your loved ones comes up missing you can tell LE not to bother investigating the people of your choosing.

If it were my child i would want NO stone left unturned. I would want anyone that might have even possibly touched my child's life to be investigated.

jmoo

[CANDYKISSES]

That is not usually how restraining orders are issued. They are typically renewed if need be, usually on a yearly basis. From the court records, it appears that his ex wife came in in December after it being in place for two and a half years and asked that the order be dismissed. The court did not object to that. We do not know the reason(s) she did that and it would be speculation to guess.
I am trying to look at all available facts.

jmoo

Exactly odyssey, the courts don't like to allow anyone to use a restraining order for vendettas or blackmail, so they usually have criteria for those seeking it to be issued or they grant a temporary as they investigate it IMO.

[odyssey]

IIRC, their divorce was final in 2006.

Yes december 21st 2006

[emdragon]

And again, how is it permanent when it is dismissed?

If it were permanent, it would have remained in place until the children turned 18. It did not.

How is it permanent when it is dismissed?

OMG you are kidding aren't you? Or just trying to start an argument?

This question is absurd- there are TEMPORARY orders PERMANENT orders- a temporary order is for a set amount of time and must be renewed.

A permanent order is put in place and nothing more needs to be done by the petitioner and the order remains in place until a judge removes it or it expires.

[teresa]

IF he had been convicted of domestic violence on a child, I would agree.

But nobody has found and arrest or a conviction for those type charges.

His ex-wife filed for the protective order. It was dismissed when she withdrew it.

Ron also had a protective order filed against him. It was dismissed when Crystal withdrew it.

The court document I saw had Crystal's refused for lack of grounds. Do you have a different one? The one on Chad was in effect for 30 months.

[odyssey]

And I agree and have no doubt that Chad and Crystal's activities in the days and weeks prior to Haleigh's disappearance were investigated thoroughly and found to have no connection to her disappearance.

Had Chad's activities been less than stellar or pointed LE into his direction as being possibly connected, he would have been the one sitting for more than 30 hours of police interrogations and taking multiple LDT's.

JMO

If that is true, and i am not saying it is not but if that is true then why have they not been cleared? I understand why Ronald has not been cleared even though it has been substantiated that he was at work.

But i cannot understand why if they are under no suspicion and they were miles away as it has been said why they have not been cleared of any involvement. They may not be involved. They might. It is worth investigating.

jmoo

[crymeariver2006]

OMG you are kidding aren't you? Or just trying to start an argument?

This question is absurd- there are TEMPORARY orders PERMANENT orders- a temporary order is for a set amount of time and must be renewed.

A permanent order is put in place and nothing more needs to be done by the petitioner and the order remains in place until a judge removes it or it expires.

I didn't think the question was absurd at all.

The judge has dismissed it, it was not renewed, so it is not a standing protection order. In my mind, I don't see that as being permanent.

That was the confusion for me.

If you think I was trying to start an argument, you'd be thinking wrong.

What's absurd in this case is playing 6 Degrees with innocent bystanders and trying to fit square pegs into round holes.

JMO

[odyssey]

No, we don't know that.

We have seen zero evidence that Chad has ever mistreated Crystal's children or been abusive to them in any way.

He must be the Scapegoat of the Day?

Why are you calling him a scapegoat? because people feel he is one of many people who needs to be investigated?
I don't understand. Just because you may have your mind made up if you do does not mean other people are not allowed to question without being accused of being bad people.
I've not one time said a bad word about anyone and have not trashed even one person in this case. I resent the implication that the very fact that I want to know about more than just Ronald and Misty I am making someone out to be a scapegoat.

[bookie]

No, we don't know that.

We have seen zero evidence that Chad has ever mistreated Crystal's children or been abusive to them in any way.

He must be the Scapegoat of the Day?


No one other than the a/c guy has been ruled out.

Crystal had the kids every other weekend so it's natural to assume Chad had some contact with them. And a link was posted last night and today showing a father murdered his child because of child support.

A scenario where a boyfriend and/or mother kidnapping or murdering a child isn't out of the realm of possibilities. The back door being propped open can help support the idea that whoever took Haleigh could have intended to come back for Junior but were scared off by Misti waking up.

You don't seem to mind scenarios with Ron being involved even though the police have said he was at work but you want to complain about scenarios involving anyone on Crystal's side. Here are just a couple of links supporting the theory of a mother kidnapping her child/ren as a possibility in this case.


NYPD: Arizona Mom Arrested For Kidnapping Child

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/savicki.kidnapping.baby.2.803942.html

Mother Allegedly Kidnaps Her Baby From OC Hospital

The Sheriff's Department said the boy's father has legal custody of the child. The custody status of the other two children was not immediately clear.

http://cbs2.com/local/Amber.Alert.Ida.2.724730.html

[Mimi428]

If that is true, and i am not saying it is not but if that is true then why have they not been cleared?

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I believe it was Forensic Fan who brought up the idea that If LE comes out & deliberately states that person A, B or C has been cleared - that message would go to the perp(s) as well as everyone else. I can appreciate the idea that LE just does not want to give the perp(s) any information whatsoever.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

If that is true, and i am not saying it is not but if that is true then why have they not been cleared? I understand why Ronald has not been cleared even though it has been substantiated that he was at work.

But i cannot understand why if they are under no suspicion and they were miles away as it has been said why they have not been cleared of any involvement. They may not be involved. They might. It is worth investigating.

jmoo

I wish LE would start clearing some people, but for some reason they can't get past the house and the occupant(s) of Green Lane.

But then again, there's no telling who might just be an accessory after the fact or obstructing the investigation in some way.

I still believe we'll be :ohmy: when this is finally solved. And I do believe it will be solved.

JMO

[CC I See]

On that same note, I don't know if someone put erroneous and false info about me out there if I would like it.
Sometimes you can prove you didn't do something, and sometimes you can't prove you did so something. KWIM??
jmoAny time a person or child goes missing everyone is looked at that had anything to do with them. I believe in Marc Klass's attitude that if you have nothing to hide, you put yourself in a position to be the first to be cleared so that the focus can be directed at those that might be responsible and finding the missing person or child. To be afraid to look at any issue or person is a big mistake. I would look first at those who seem to be hiding under a rock.

[bookie]

Yes I can, at least in this case, Its not relevant. He was never accused of abusing these children.



Any of Chad's actions around the children could be very relevant. If he has a history of abuse towards any children in his care that could be very relevant in this case.

[odyssey]

When did the protection order end??? Anyone???

His ex wife asked that it be removed in December of 2008 and her request was granted.

[CC I See]

I agree again. I dont think they CAN get past the occupants of Green Lane, Occupants or visitors I should say.

Sadly, there is no upside to the resolution of this case. It's all bad. I fear for more violence within this extended family as well, I hope I am wrong.....so do I. If Misty knows what happened to Haleigh and is hiding this information to protect someone, then her life may be at risk.

[sleuth]

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This case, like lots of others, has had more than one person posting that they have been in the specific area, have had interactions with one or more of the individuals involved. Some have claimed to have had personal contact with Ron. Some have claimed to have given money, visited the campground area, talked to or overheard conversations with one or more of the family members.

Should we disregard ALL of them? If not, what is your suggestion on how to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak?

TIA

I live no where near Florida but I have learned to follow blogs, watch the news/videos and read the newspaper. When all four line up I figure it's as true as anything else we listen to or read and believe.

[crymeariver2006]

No one other than the a/c guy has been ruled out.

Crystal had the kids every other weekend so it's natural to assume Chad had some contact with them. And a link was posted last night and today showing a father murdered his child because of child support.

A scenario where a boyfriend and/or mother kidnapping or murdering a child isn't out of the realm of possibilities. The back door being propped open can help support the idea that whoever took Haleigh could have intended to come back for Junior but were scared off by Misti waking up.

You don't seem to mind scenarios with Ron being involved even though the police have said he was at work but you want to complain about scenarios involving anyone on Crystal's side. Here are just a couple of links supporting the theory of a mother kidnapping her child/ren as a possibility in this case.


NYPD: Arizona Mom Arrested For Kidnapping Child

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/savicki.kidnapping.baby.2.803942.html

Mother Allegedly Kidnaps Her Baby From OC Hospital

The Sheriff's Department said the boy's father has legal custody of the child. The custody status of the other two children was not immediately clear.

http://cbs2.com/local/Amber.Alert.Ida.2.724730.html

*Bolding mine

I've questioned Misty's activities from Day 1. You can check my posts.

Misty would not be in the picture if not for Ron. I do question his judgment in exposing his children to her and allowing her to be such a big part in their lives. That's not accusing him of being involved in Haleigh's disappearance, that's questioning how much he really knew about Misty seeing as he moved her into his home shortly after they met.

I haven't indicated that I believe Ron was involved in Haleigh's disappearance. My DH believes that, but not me. Again, you can check my posts.

I haven't said one way or the other about Crystal except to defend these daily attacks over something that happened in 2005, postings that call her names and insist she cared nothing for her children. For the record, I defended Angela Lunsford too when those same attacks were made on her.

I would never say never with either of these parents.

But to my knowledge, Misty was the last person to see Haleigh Cummings that night. There's no getting around that. Her statements have been called into question by LE, not Crystal's.

If that changes, I'll be the first to admit it.

No, a scenario where the mother or the mother's boyfriend causes harm to a child is DEFINITELY NOT out of the realm of possibilities. Never said it was, but neither is a sitter killing a child or a father killing a child.

[emdragon]

Why are you calling him a scapegoat? because people feel he is one of many people who needs to be investigated?
I don't understand. Just because you may have your mind made up if you do does not mean other people are not allowed to question without being accused of being bad people.
I've not one time said a bad word about anyone and have not trashed even one person in this case. I resent the implication that the very fact that I want to know about more than just Ronald and Misty I am making someone out to be a scapegoat.

since Chad has not been cleared by LE I would hardly call him a scapegoat and do believe he is someone worthy of discussion- why should we rule him out if LE hasn't?
Some people just want it to be how they see it and not look at everyone in this child's life.

[Peaches]

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Candy, you are giving incorrect information,

and I would hope I would not have to repeat this again, what's the deal with bashing anyone that does not agree with you?



Bold and underlined is mine and what I am responding to:

IMOO this is a little over the top...............

If we choose not to believe your post, that is what we will continue to do....................

BTW................repeat it all you want!

[CC I See]

I live no where near Florida but I have learned to follow blogs, watch the news/videos and read the newspaper. When all four line up I figure it's as true as anything else we listen to or read and believe....you are right when information is correct it usually is apparent with no gray areas. A person has to use their own good judgement what is right, not that of someone else. That is why I do not agree with a person who tries to tell me what to believe or not to believe. It is up to me to figure it out.

[Peaches]

From the beginning, i really think Ron married Misty to control her. Misty is a minor and once a lawyer offer a pro bono on her case - all she will be told is to shut up and dont say anything - then this will become a more problem. Now , since Ron have access to her - he will be able to track down her movements and check on people trying to contact her.


If Misty is innocent, I hope that she soon gets her an attorney!

She is very young and needs to be protected.

She should be in school looking forward to spring break and then the prom!

[Remy]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

Mom of marine, I rarely post on this thread but want to thank you for all the links you provide.:patriot:

You make it so much easier to keep up with this case.

[crymeariver2006]

I read this.

Sheffield has said Cummings was violent with her and court records show she once sought a protective order but then later asked that it be dismissed.


http://m.jax2go.com/topic/1074-Most%20Popular/articles/190289625


so did they ever do an order of protection and who was it against, crystal or the children or all of the above?

And should we take it that she was lying or would it bear up against statistics of abused women who withdraw orders of protection every single day?

[crymeariver2006]

Shouldn't we question EVERYONE and look in to their past? or are Crystals side of the family off limits?

Here we go again.....

[FrankieBones1]

Or walking out on an interrogation, or refusing to follow thru with a re-enactment?
I would love to know what she is really like. Is she immature and ignorant or is she streetwise and cagey? Is she truly and innocent girl or is she sinister. Wish I knew.

If I did, it would be easier to know if she had anything to do with this.