Phil Spector closing arguments begin today

[steffaroob4]

Doron Weinberg Returns -- Again -- To Close Phil Spector's Defense (http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/full-court-press/doron-weinberg-returns----agai/)

Well, it didn't take long for that AP logo to get pulled off the podium mike that Doron Weinberg's been using. Possibly fearing that the podium could soon resemble a NASCAR pace car plastered with corporate logos, Alan Parachini, the chief public information officer for the Superior Courts, had the video cameraman remove the fire-red icon from the mike when Weinberg was momentarily pausing in his closing argument on behalf of Phil Spector.

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new pic from today (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090325/ids_photos_ts/r3495496103.jpg/)

[kennedy06]

No Tutie you did nothing wrong! Thank you for the information! We appreicate it. Just clicking links, reading and thinking! We are still here:smile:

[newsjunkie]

No Tutie you did nothing wrong! Thank you for the information! We appreicate it. Just clicking links, reading and thinking! We are still here:smile:


Well would you all mind not leaving so many gaps............lurking here and falling asleep :w00t:

J/K I hope ya know :tonguewag:

[Dave]

You can follow Michael Linder's updates here:

http://twitter.com/michaellinder

[oodi1]

Woah, I didn't mean to stop the conversation! Did I do something wrong?

Keep the "tweets" coming!!! I have no idea what they are, but at least it's up-to-date info!

Thanks tutie!!!

[lmercer]

Yesterday - Weinberg chastised Dr Herold and her tetimony, because he said that she doesn't have documentation of measurement, no charts and no documentaion.

DW stated, "Dr Herold can only say YES to Alan and Truc. She can't tell you how. THAT'S NOT SCIENCE."

I'm not sure that's the way I remember LH's testimony. IIRC she had a lot of detailed notes and reports, that both attorneys discussed during her testimony. But I could be wrong. I am sure AJ will have a response to that.

WHAT I FOUND EXTREMELY HUMOROUS WAS: It seemed throughout the defense's stream of "EXPERT's" testimony - NONE OF THEM SEEMED TO HAVE MORE THAN A PAGE OF TWO OF NOTES, IF ANYTHING. And these guys ALL charged a FORTUNE. I believe it was PEX who testified that WEINBERG WROTE HIS REPORT and he just "amended a paragraph" or something of that length.





What I find humorous is when the defense says there was no sign of struggle, HOW CAN YOU STRUGGLE WHEN YOU HAVE A MANIAC POINTING A GUN RIGHT AT YOUR FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[logbump]

Is this a Calif. thing that lawyers can filibuster forever. Most judges seem to put some time restrictions on closings, I think.:confused:

[Dave]

From the courtroom:

"Weinberg stresses that none of Spector's DNA was found on the gun."

That's cuz he spent 40 minutes cleaning everything up.

You big silly.

[My 2 Cents]

Hope your grandmother is OK. As you listened yesterday, was there any one thing he said that you thought, gee, the jury might get hung up on this point?

THANKs EVERYONE about my Grandma. It ended up that she fractured her pelvic bone (very bad news - be she is doing great).

RE: Yesterday
I didn't get to hear the testimony before lunch, so I can't comment on that. After lunch I thought DW brought up MANY THINGS, small snippets of sentences here and there that seemed conflicting. And if you had not heard the trial testimony, . . . ONLY reading the sentences that he put on the screen, you would say, "HEY, wait a minute - maybe there is MORE TO THIS. Maybe the state is trying to pull a fast one."

I think I know the evidence and testimony pretty well. But I can't quote exact statements from EXPERTS, etc. BUT TO ME - It seemed like so much was taken out of context and stated as fact, when I don't believe that what DW was saying was ACCURATE or CORRECT.

For example: He jumped right in and SHOWED THE JURY, using his hand, where JAMIE LINTEMOOT TESTIFIED the back spatter mist was on Lana's back of wrist. AND AGAIN - HE POINTS TO A DIFFERENT AREA. This has to be extremely fresh in the jurors minds, they just covered this recently during the end of the DEFENSE's case when they called Dr Laskmana (sp?) to the stand to discredit Jamie Lintemoots testimony. I was in court that day and I remember it quite well - - DW made an idiot of himself by constantly pointing to a different area than JL clearly pointed to. Over and Over - it was ridiculous. And then JF had to state for the record, where JL was pointing, the back of the wrist, near the joint - center area within 2-3 inch radius.

HOW he thinks that during closing he can just tell the jurors the same old song and dance that he tried to get away with a month ago - - -I just don't know. Surely he knows AJ will play the video AND the shot, by shot, slow-mo picture of JL pointing to the correct area on the back of the wrist. AJ NEVER objected, he and Truc rarely ever looked at the screen. It seemed like they gave DW free range, with no interruptions.

Anyway - STUFF LIKE THAT. He took a lot of things out of context and it seemed to me, very distorted. Because it was just a few sentences here and a few there - the jury may be thinking - "Did I miss that statement?" So that was the only thing that stuck out in my mind. But I truly believe it will all be short lived. As AJ will make it quite clear what DW did - and I think it will help reinforce how "untrusting" and "manipulative" the DEFENSE and their CASE is. AND IT WILL BITE WEINBERG IN THE BUTT.

DW would even take 2 -3 words of AJs or an experts, and say - "SEE, look what they said. look how they answered." It seemed disjointed to me - the dialogue - so I am sure there were important crucial words, made before or after the "cherry-picked" few he emphasized. I just remembered the JL testimony quite well, because I was there and it recently happened - that's why I used that as an example.

[cook4andy]

Is Alan Jackson up?

[oodi1]

Is Alan Jackson up?

That's what I was wondering.

[cook4andy]

That's what I was wondering.


Sounds like it. :thumbsup:

[My 2 Cents]

i wish m2c would give us a lunch update if she is there...... since her grandmother is ill, she may be spending time with her...

SORRY "why?" - Not there at the courthouse today. I'm with my Grandma and helping out with my Mom as well.

[cook4andy]

yes he is! Go to michael linden's twitter for updates.


Thank you--->Go Alan :thumbup:

[coinoutlet]

Is Alan Jackson up?

I believe it was an objection

[oodi1]

SORRY "why?" - Not there at the courthouse today. I'm with my Grandma and helping out with my Mom as well.


Here's wishing her a speedy recovery!!!

[Dave]

You can read the full comment by clicking on the three periods at the end of it, and read:

"Prosecutor Alan Jackson calls defense close a "filibuster" that misinterprets facts. Says defense trying to overcomplicate simple case of murder."

[My 2 Cents]

Prosecutor Alan Jackson calls defense closing a philibuster

GOOOOO AJ :biggrin::biggrin:

HA, HA . . . fillibuster - - Reminds me of the James Stewart movie classic, "Mr Smith Goes to Washington".

Maybe Weinberg won't stop talking and relinquish the floor- - - because then his client will be headed off in handcuffs, that much sooner.

[cook4andy]

I believe it was an objection

Thank you! I was hoping.

[coinoutlet]

Thank you! I was hoping.

No it appears that AJ is in his rebuttle!!

[cook4andy]

Thanks for the Twitter link!!!

Whether Alan is objecting or up, he is calling it as it is.:thumbsup:

[cook4andy]

No it appears that AJ is in his rebuttle!!


Thank you again. Whatever, he's doing a good job right off. :smile:

[oodi1]

What I would give to be able to hear him right now...


You aren't alone on that one!!!

[cook4andy]

What I would give to be able to hear him right now...


Me too!! I watched the whole PS1 trial. Hopefully they will show video's of his rebuttle.

[cook4andy]

Only thing that could top it would be to hear the click of the handcuffs...

You got that right and I want to see that too. :drool:

[alldone]

Oh Yes! me too!

Add me too!! Dang I step away to cook dinner and miss stuff!

[oodi1]

Let's hope for live coverage of the verdict!

[tartangirl]

Oh Yes! me too!


"Put me on that bus for CA. Aside form all of his other great qualities, he does has a wonderful voice to go along with that big brain of his...:rolleyes:


~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[KatyDid]

Let's hope for live coverage of the verdict!

:w00t: count me in on that hope! I am still surprised there was no coverage of closing arguments. :sneaky:

[Dave]

If Phil is found guilty once and for all, does he get taken to jail right away?

Yes, he certainly would.

[cook4andy]

I think it is right away - but I could be wrong

Nothing new on Michael Linder's twitter for 20 minutes. Obviously AJ is rivetting, as usual.

:thumbsup: As usual.

[tartangirl]

Yes, he certainly would.



OH, I do like the sound of that...clinks of the cuffs and off to the slammer...simple things make a girl happy...:rolleyes:



~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[lmercer]

Maybe PS and OJ will correspond.

[Dave]

Finally an update:

"Prosecution slams Spector for not calling 911 with 14 phones in house, calls it "consciousness of guilt." Court goes into a break."

[tartangirl]

I wanna sit next to yew!!


If we do sit next to each other, you know we are gonna get in trouble...LOL :tonguewag:

Okay...nothing new on the twitter...did I break it? Oh..okay...just saw the update.


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[KatyDid]

newest tweet: "michaellinder Prosecution slams Spector for not calling 911 with 14 phones in house, calls it "consciousness of guilt." Court goes into a break."

Thank you tutie! Thank goodness for Twitter tweets.

[cook4andy]

Maybe PS and OJ will correspond.

Yeah, they have a lot in common. :laugh:

[alldone]

RE Twitter

Do you have to hit refresh or does it do it automatically? I'm twitter challenged

[cook4andy]

RE Twitter

Do you have to hit refresh or does it do it automatically? I'm twitter challenged


I think you have to refresh.

[tartangirl]

newest tweet: "michaellinder Prosecution slams Spector for not calling 911 with 14 phones in house, calls it "consciousness of guilt." Court goes into a break."

I have a Twitter account but just have never used it yet....that will all change as of today....:wink:



~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[lmercer]

F5 is refresh on my computer!

[mbmb]

I knew I set up a Twitter account for something :thumbsup:

[KatyDid]

Your welcome! I don't know why they have to go on break. Didn't they just have lunch? I'm not going on break. Heck, I'm not even fixing my family dinner tonight (and probably not the rest of the week). I guess that means I am on break...sorry, my mistake.

LOLOLOL about dinner :laugh:

I thought it was a quick break too.

[mbmb]

Your welcome! I don't know why they have to go on break. Didn't they just have lunch? I'm not going on break. Heck, I'm not even fixing my family dinner tonight (and probably not the rest of the week). I guess that means I am on break...sorry, my mistake.

Tutie,

Are you twittering to Michael Linder? I'm know we can send him questions, just wondering if you have.

[oodi1]

Your welcome! I don't know why they have to go on break. Didn't they just have lunch? I'm not going on break. Heck, I'm not even fixing my family dinner tonight (and probably not the rest of the week). I guess that means I am on break...sorry, my mistake.

I've announced that there is bread in the pantry, and deli meats in the fridge, as well as some leftovers. It's officially an "Your on your own" night for dinner tonight.

[kennedy06]

So this twitter, this guy is texting or what? I wish we could contact him and ask for MORE!

[cook4andy]

I've announced that there is bread in the pantry, and deli meats in the fridge, as well as some leftovers. It's officially an "Your on your own" night for dinner tonight.


:laugh: Thank goodness my dinner is done.

[kennedy06]

Tutie,

Are you twittering to Michael Linder? I'm know we can send him questions, just wondering if you have.

Ask him how they are reacting in the gallery. Tell him he has a following right now!

[mbmb]

No, I am realitively new to Twitter too, I never really thought about sending him a message. Hmmm, interesting wonder if he would reply?

I just sent him a tweet telling him that we are waiting for every word!!

[Curlyjo]

I've announced that there is bread in the pantry, and deli meats in the fridge, as well as some leftovers. It's officially an "Your on your own" night for dinner tonight.

That's right!! Same here!!!:thumbsup:

[tartangirl]

I put the kettle on and will have tea and......oh yes, there is a package of crackers somewhere...yep...I see them...that will do me for now until this is over....:w00t:


~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[GPSpector]

http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/full-court-press/phil-spector-trial-weinberg-re/



~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~



Thanks for the link. It was an interesting read, at least until I got to that mile-long, cut & paste, plagiarizing post that just went on and on and on.

By the way, did anybody read it? My eyes glazed over just after I noticed the heading was also cut and pasted from another message board. Did it have an end or is she still typing it? :wink:

[KatyDid]

I just sent him a tweet telling him that we are waiting for every word!!

:thumbsup: Thank you!!

[GPSpector]

Dear gpspector,

I'm not sure why you PM'd me. Forgive me, but I don't click on anything that I'm unsure of - no disrespect intended.

I don't hate your father. Not by any means, I have been a fan of his music accomplishments for a very long time. I have also read quite a few books, articles and interviews PRE-LANA to get some insight as to who he is. While I applaud his accomplishments I am appalled by his behaviour. IMO, he is a deeply troubled man.

MY OPINION ONLY - did he pull the trigger that killed Lana? Yes, he did. Did he go out looking for someone to kill that night? No, he didn't. I totally agree with Truc Do in that he had been playing Russian Roulett for many years - not just with women. It really was only a matter of time before something happened. If not Lana, it would have been someone else.

My heart breaks for this innocent victim and her family. It is time to pay the piper. PS must take responsibility for his actions.

Thank you for your courage during these difficult days.

CJ

I PM'ed you to share something that was off topic. That's what the PM's are for. :wink:

[kennedy06]

okay sent the following message we will see if I get a reply:
"I am relaying your tweets to insessiontrials boards they have request more freq tweets if poss, is AJ doing a good job?"

That was very nice of you, thank you !

[tartangirl]

Thanks for the link. It was an interesting read, at least until I got to that mile-long, cut & paste, plagiarizing post that just went on and on and on.

By the way, did anybody read it? My eyes glazed over just after I noticed the heading was also cut and pasted from another message board. Did it have an end or is she still typing it? :wink:

Wow, just saw that...did not read that ....will not read that...:ohmy:


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[cook4andy]

From Twitter: Court back: Prosecutor Alan Jackson defends driver De Souza: consistent, confident. Says police didn't automatically "embrace" his story.

[oodi1]

Thanks tutie!!! I hope you told him we are all waiting with bated breath!!

[tartangirl]

Tartan..I have the pot for a cuppa, also....tea for two!


It is always better when you can share it anyway....TWO FOR TEA...:wink:


~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[oodi1]

It is always better when you can share it anyway....TWO FOR TEA...:wink:


~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~





Ok... now I have that song stuck in my head.

Tea for two, and two for tea. Me for you, and you for me.....

[cook4andy]

Thank goodness to Twitter: Saving De Souza. Jackson: driver was only 5 feet away as Spector said “I think I killed somebody.” Correctly ID'd bloody side of LC's face.

[Curlyjo]

From michaellinder: Saving De Souza. Jackson: driver was only 5 feet away as Spector said “I think I killed somebody.” Correctly ID'd bloody side of LC's face.

[mbmb]

Saving De Souza. Jackson: driver was only 5 feet away as Spector said “I think I killed somebody.” Correctly ID'd bloody side of LC's face.

[My 2 Cents]

RE: TWITTER

I just sent a message to the TWITTER person (Michael) in the courtroom. I asked him if AJ was using VIDEOS, PICTURES,,, etc or just talking.

I am now officially - - "twitter-patted" (remember? . . . from BAMBI)

[cook4andy]

LOL. We're not anxious are we. :laugh:

[CarolinaMoon]

Thanks for the link. It was an interesting read, at least until I got to that mile-long, cut & paste, plagiarizing post that just went on and on and on.

By the way, did anybody read it? My eyes glazed over just after I noticed the heading was also cut and pasted from another message board. Did it have an end or is she still typing it? :wink:

Long time lurker, first time poster. That lady posts all over the internet and is a true pest. FYI, some of her rants were originally posted during the first trial. :biggrin:

[tartangirl]

Ok... now I have that song stuck in my head.

Tea for two, and two for tea. Me for you, and you for me.....




I do that all of the time...what is that called? An earworm...oh...that is horrible...not that..can not be that...:w00t:

~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[oodi1]

LOL! Don't get me started.... Put on the pot and join us!

LOL... I'm coming, I'm coming!!! :biggrin:

[KatyDid]

LOL. We're not anxious are we. :laugh:

LOL!! I am :tonguewag:

[Curlyjo]

michaellinder Jackson says defense witness committed perjury falsifying photos defense used to "prove" Spector did not fire gun.

Wow...things are getting serious in there...wonder if there was an objection after that statement?

[cook4andy]

LOL!! I am :tonguewag:

:thumbup:

Praying this one brings justice for Lana:rose:

[kennedy06]

Ok... now I have that song stuck in my head.

Tea for two, and two for tea. Me for you, and you for me.....

I have oneI keep hearing in my own mind. I had posted it sometime back, from reading and different things about PS and the last trial it eerily reminds me of him or his life. Like drums I think of his talking about the boom starting off be my baby, or he lives in a castle and how he had such power at one time, closing walls-wall of sound, never an honest word-the prosecution thoughts maybe, missionaries in a foreign field-his supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeX1hYEHdBU

[tartangirl]

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/mar/25/ca-phil-spector-032509/?zIndex=72567



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/03/he-was-hungry-h.html

[alldone]

TruTV I hate you, you carried repeats of stupid stupid trials but not this?? We have famous people, we have perjurors, we have lawyers throwing temper tantrums, we have the elegance of Ms. Do and Mr. Jackson.. what is wrong with you people!!

I have to refill my bowl of pistachoes now, sniff sniff

[dref99]

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/25/john-q-public-covers-the-spector-trial

John Q Public covers the Spector trial

I'm reading back - thankyou for the link Why - how typical from a media link (albeit a blog) that they report the bloggers but not the news from the trial.

It is as well we have some bloggers or we would have been sitting in the dark since trial 1 ended.

jmo

[oodi1]

Welome CarolinaMoon!!!

tartangirl... I don't know what it's called, but if it doesn't stop soon, I may break out with a soft-shoe dance to go along with the song! :tongueside:

[tartangirl]

{fall on the floor for the second time today!} I'm laughing so hard I can't answer right now.....

From one Scot to Another...

CJ


Help a lass out ....will ya? LOL :lol:

[Curlyjo]

Twitter update:Jackson: "Big shiny music producer" Greg Sims shaded testimony to paint Clarkson as suicidal, but told CourtTV way different story

[kennedy06]

So which PBA was the one who played the piano and wanted him to make her a star, DR?? If its her I thought she came from a well known musical background. hmmm I don't remember anyone testfied they wanted him to make them a star, anyone else?

(from reading the san diego link)

[cook4andy]

Jackson attacks veracity of defense forensic experts Werner Spitz, Vince Di Maio citing big fees paid by Spector, inconsistencies

[cook4andy]

We're on a roll too. :laugh:

[dref99]

Yesterday - Weinberg chastised Dr Herold and her tetimony, because he said that she doesn't have documentation of measurement, no charts and no documentaion.

DW stated, "Dr Herold can only say YES to Alan and Truc. She can't tell you how. THAT'S NOT SCIENCE."

I'm not sure that's the way I remember LH's testimony. IIRC she had a lot of detailed notes and reports, that both attorneys discussed during her testimony. But I could be wrong. I am sure AJ will have a response to that.

WHAT I FOUND EXTREMELY HUMOROUS WAS: It seemed throughout the defense's stream of "EXPERT's" testimony - NONE OF THEM SEEMED TO HAVE MORE THAN A PAGE OF TWO OF NOTES, IF ANYTHING. And these guys ALL charged a FORTUNE. I believe it was PEX who testified that WEINBERG WROTE HIS REPORT and he just "amended a paragraph" or something of that length.

Thanks my2cents - funny how laws work out - in an attempt to ensure that both sides receive the same information - it seems the law on discovery had the strange effect of making sure experts stopped writing reports.

Phil must wonder why he had so many lawyers last time - here we have only 1 lawyer and he has time to write the expert reports as well as do all the other 5 managed to do together!

jmo

[tartangirl]

Thanks TG,

Woo-hoo! I just know AJ is really telling it like it is! I do so wish it were showing!


I am still quite put out about it all...:ohmy: Maybe we will be showered with some delight tonight by one of the MSM and again get to see 2 minutes of Alan Jackson and twenty minutes of DW...:confused:

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[cook4andy]

michaellinder "How did a homicide become a suicide?" asks Jackson. "You write a big, fat check."

Too true!!!!

[mbmb]

michaellinder "How did a homicide become a suicide?" asks Jackson. "You write a big, fat check."

Good one, AJ!!!!

[Pat]

michaellinder "How did a homicide become a suicide?" asks Jackson. "You write a big, fat check."

Ain't that the truth!!

Thanks to all for your contributions, btw.

[Daisy'sMom]

Go AJ! Hit it out of the park and bring justice and peace to the Clarksons.

[Moe76]

You got to love AJ I wish I could I see this.
Hi everyone!

[cook4andy]

You got to love AJ I wish I could I see this.
Hi everyone!

Hi and I hear ya :thumbsup:

[tartangirl]

"How did a homicide become a suicide?" asks Jackson. "You write a big, fat check."

He is just the best...:thumbup:


~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[cook4andy]

Pix showing woman pointing gun at herself prove, say Jackson, "Lana Clarkson did not hold the gun. She did not kill herself---->AMEN!

[Curlyjo]

twitter update: Pix showing woman pointing gun at herself prove, say Jackson, "Lana Clarkson did not hold the gun. She did not kill herself."

[mbmb]

michaellinder "How did a homicide become a suicide?" asks Jackson. "You write a big, fat check."

Tutie,

I just sent Michael another big thank you from all of us at the Insession Message Board!

[Moe76]

I sure hope we get to see the verdict. GUILTY!!!!!!

[cook4andy]

Jackson: "This was a pay-to-say defense.Total cost, $419,000." Court resumes tomorrow for final 10 minutes of prosecution rebuttal---->WoW!!!

[Curlyjo]

Tutie,

I just sent Michael another big thank you from all of us at the Insession Message Board!

Thank you!!!!!

[kennedy06]

So is this Michael going to discuss this on a radio show tonight, is that correct (I was reading his twitter box/board)?

[dref99]

This is just my GUESS, but I would bet that if Weinberg does finish today and it is after lunch, AJ will make sure that his CLOSING carries over into tomorrow (at least a little bit), so the jury gets the case while his closing is FRESH in their minds. I think AJ is only going to take 1/2 day, maybe less - and if DW ended by AM break - AJ would not drag it out. But I bet DW takes a good chunk of today and therefore, AJ will make sure he has something carried over til tomorrow morning. And then the jury will start deliberating.

FYI:I'm not there today - this is just my "pick".

....


That was a 100% spot on pick :thumbsup:

[mbmb]

So is this Michael going to discuss this on a radio show tonight, is that correct (I was reading his twitter box/board)?

Yes, I do think he will be doing that.

[Moe76]

You can bet on AJ being killer tomorrow, a ten minute summation he had all night to perfect.

[KatyDid]

Tutie,

I just sent Michael another big thank you from all of us at the Insession Message Board!

THANK YOU tutie!!! :wub:

[tartangirl]

:thumbsup: Depends...What Clan do you hail from......:biggrin:

Aye..Clan MacManus.. a sept of

Clan Colquhoun and a sept of Clan Gunn ...and how about you?

To stay on topic...do you think Alan Jackson might be Scottish? They must have a few Scots in Texas? :rolleyes:


~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[KatyDid]

You can bet on AJ being killer tomorrow, a ten minute summation he had all night to perfect.

Well said, and ITA!!!! :thumbsup:

[kellabeck]

Thanks, tutie, for the name of Michael Linder. I tried this afternoon to find out who was tweeting in the courtroom to no avail.

Here's his last:

Recap 7:35pm PDT tonight on John Phillips show, 790 KABC, streaming online at www.kabc.com

[KatyDid]

It looks like Michael Linder will have a live streaming radio show tonight. I wonder how long it lasts. starts at 7:35 pm PDT, kabc.com

I have to miss it. Going out for dinner. :sad:

[kennedy06]

THANK YOU tutie!!! :wub:

Thank you for telling us about him and thanking him too. I agree:wub:

[Moe76]

I hope Sprocket is not too fried to give us the scoop, she was tired last night.

[tartangirl]

Tartangirl, Is that the Fat Lady I hear clearing her throat?


I remain confused ....this trial...two years....tea....twitter.....and now the Fat Lady? As long as it is not Phil singing it is all good...:rolleyes:


Help please....:smile:

~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[Curlyjo]

I hope Sprocket is not too fried to give us the scoop, she was tired last night.
I really feel for her...thank goodness the weekend is coming. :smile:

[cook4andy]

i wonder when the closing will end........does anyone know? TIA

I believe I heard AJ had another ten minutes, give or take.

[KatyDid]

Thank you for telling us about him and thanking him too. I agree:wub:

:seeya: Great to see you friend kennedy06!

I would love to be in the court room fo AJ's 10 minutes tomorrow morning. I bet it is fireworks. :biggrin:

[gmiller]

Clan MaClaren :biggrin:

We could google to see if AJ is a Scot....

I can't wait for sprocket's blog on this. It may be the closest we get to reading the transcript of AJ's closing.

No need to google AJ...I already have, lol! (I know...stalker much?)

The only thing that I know about him personally is from this site...
http://www.lawcrossing.com/article/3656/Down-Home-Deputy-District-Attorney-Alan-Jackson:-Prosecutor-for-the-Phil-Spector-Trial/

Many have probably already viewed this article but for those who haven't we find out AJ's favorite ice cream flavor, that he seems to be married to his career, and that he was in the Air Force before deciding on a career as a prosecutor...Sorry no indication of where his family originates from though.

[cook4andy]

omg ........ are you listening to it?

Reported by Twitter.com.

[kennedy06]

:seeya: Great to see you friend kennedy06!

I would love to be in the court room fo AJ's 10 minutes tomorrow morning. I bet it is fireworks. :biggrin:

Hello KatyDid! I wonder if he will use the Don'T Go again.

[tartangirl]

You're welcome, happy I could contribute.


Whenever I think of twitter I will of course think of you too....THANKS......:thumbup:


~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[KatyDid]

Hello KatyDid! I wonder if he will use the Don'T Go again.

That was haunting in the first trial. Made me cry and gave me shivers.

[oodi1]

Thanks tutie!!!

Does anyone know if Michael Linder will be doing the tweets tomorrow? Or do we need to find a new tweet source?

[cook4andy]

Sorry, correction it's http://twitter.com/michaellinder

[Daisy'sMom]

wow i guess i need to open a twitter account lol

When you do, let me know how to use it. I am tech challenged.

[Curlyjo]

:seeya: Great to see you friend kennedy06!

I would love to be in the court room fo AJ's 10 minutes tomorrow morning. I bet it is fireworks. :biggrin:

Hello KatyDid....remember you from the first trial!!! :smile:

[KatyDid]

Same here, Katy. I honestly have no idea if AJ will use that again - would it be tacky to use it twice? I don't know. We are all in the same boat here.

And I learned 2 years ago to NEVER TRY TO SECOND GUESS ALAN JACKSON!

I don't think it would be tacky. :smile:
IMO, it was very effective.

But you're right about AJ! :wink:

[tartangirl]

tartangirl, I need to PM you - but for anyone peeping in here, there is a saying here "It ain't over til the Fat Lady sings.." - referring to opera.

So when something is reaching an end, people say "Do you hear the Fat Lady clearing her throat?"


The whole day and the twitter and our AJ ending rather quickly all at once...just threw me for a loop and caught me off guard. :rolleyes:

Now, wee lassie....give it up on the name for the tune in your ear that will just not go away....:laugh:

~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[cook4andy]

I'm on pins and needles here:scared:

AJ did a superior job last time and we had a hung jury :mad:

I truly believe LC was murdered, I don't think it was done intentionally but none the less a life is lost.

My heart goes out to Spector's children. I'm sorry for your pain!!.

May justice be served this time.

[nsm]

I dont think it was intentional either, but....he has a creepy habit of waving guns at people in order for them to do what he wants. I do hope he gets more than involuntary manslaughter. He is a menace to society and it amazes me that everyone who were threatened by him did not go to the police. I sure hope his free ride of terror is over. If this was an average joe, he would have been in prison along time ago. Its amazing what the rich and famous can get away with. LC needs justice.

[cook4andy]

I dont think it was intentional either, but....he has a creepy habit of waving guns at people in order for them to do what he wants. I do hope he gets more than involuntary manslaughter. He is a menace to society and it amazes me that everyone who were threatened by him did not go to the police. I sure hope his free ride of terror is over. If this was an average joe, he would have been in prison along time ago. Its amazing what the rich and famous can get away with. LC needs justice.



ITA. :thumbup:

[bearwds]

GREAT idea and many thanx to "Linden" who tweeted. Never indulged myself but what I see is a constant connection that surpasses blogs for immediacy.

Blogs can do summation and conventional articles as well. One more step to "being there". Amazing.

Expansion of print characters obviously needed.

Thanx to the Posters who forwarded the info.


bearwds

[penguin01]

Sorry, correction it's http://twitter.com/michaellinder
so if you sign up - the tweets go to your phone - not your email?

[cook4andy]

so if you sign up - the tweets go to your phone - not your email?

I don't know, I've just been refreshing from the website. It's updated when new updates happen in the court room.

BTW, I've not signed up.

[tartangirl]

I do agree with you - just thought I'd ask. If he does use that phrase again, some AJ hater out there will call him on not being original or something. I should stop worrying about AJ! He can certainly take care of himself.

I don't know about you, but that phrase haunted me for a very long time after the trial. Every time I saw a picture of Lana, I could hear AJ saying "Don't go..."

I still get chills.


I have said that phrase many times and had the hair on the back of my neck stand up. We have had Lana and AJ and Judge Fidler in our world for two years now. They are like long distance pen pals that we will never actually meet but feel as though we might know a thing or two about them. Lana is like the sister friend we all might have had and now miss so terribly much. It is important for Justice to be served this time. Seems right around the corner now...:wink:

As for those words that will no doubt work their way in and out of my brain, what they will be is anyone's guess. I do know one thing though, they will be heartfelt and honest and succinct. That just seems to be how AJ rolls. Good is good and he just is...:wub: It really is nice to have a brilliant handsome hero in this crazy world that we live in.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[cook4andy]

FallenAngel, I agree with both your posts.

Let us sleep and let justice be served!!!!!

[vonna]

I have said that phrase many times and had the hair on the back of my neck stand up. We have had Lana and AJ and Judge Fidler in our world for two years now. They are like long distance pen pals that we will never actually meet but feel as though we might know a thing or two about them. Lana is like the sister friend we all might have had and now miss so terribly much. It is important for Justice to be served this time. Seems right around the corner now...:wink:

As for those words that will no doubt work their way in and out of my brain, what they will be is anyone's guess. I do know one thing though, they will be heartfelt and honest and succinct. That just seems to be how AJ rolls. Good is good and he just is...:wub: It really is nice to have a brilliant handsome hero in this crazy world that we live in.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~



Hi TG!!
Here's wishing your tag line comes true! Phil has evaded prison far too long.

[tartangirl]

Hi TG!!
Here's wishing your tag line comes true! Phil has evaded prison far too long.

It is nice to see friends from PS1 here again. Six years is far too long for this to still be going on. With any luck and the supreme skill from the prosecution, we will have Justice served soon. :wink: Take Care Vonna

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[Rickshere911]

Hi TG!!
Here's wishing your tag line comes true! Phil has evaded prison far too long.

I think he will take the cowards way out and kill himself to keep out of jail.

[sunstar]

Why 10 minutes tomorrow? Don't you think that could have been done today? Or is it an advantage, as in having the last word?? Go AJ!!

Hi! I think it's a brilliant move by AJ!! Yes, he'll get the last word right before the jury is given their instructions. :thumbsup:

[tartangirl]

I think he will take the cowards way out and kill himself to keep out of jail.


I wonder, will the sheriff be there to watch his hands for evidence of the cyanide pill this time too?

[sunstar]

I don't think it would be tacky. :smile:
IMO, it was very effective.

But you're right about AJ! :wink:

Hi Katy! :seeya: I think he should use it again. It's just too bad I won't get to hear it!

[sunstar]

I think he will take the cowards way out and kill himself to keep out of jail.

If he gets convicted of manslaughter, I think he could stay out on bail until sentencing, but what about 2nd degree murder ~ wouldn't he be taken into custody immediately?

[Curlyjo]

If he gets convicted of manslaughter, I think he could stay out on bail until sentencing, but what about 2nd degree murder ~ wouldn't he be taken into custody immediately?


I am not sure...that is a good question but I would hope that he would be locked up immediately till he his finds out his sentence....the clock is ticking .....tick tock tick tock:thumbsup:

[tartangirl]

Hi! I think it's a brilliant move by AJ!! Yes, he'll get the last word right before the jury is given their instructions. :thumbsup:



Especially since he gets right to the point with the facts. Clear, concise and clever....he has it all and that will stick with the jurors. Last thing they hear before the jury instruction. Oh so smart...:rolleyes:

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[Mr. Moto2]

What if it's another hung jury - do you think they'll go for a 3rd trial?

[sunstar]

I am not sure...that is a good question but I would hope that he would be locked up immediately till he his finds out his sentence....the clock is ticking .....tick tock tick tock:thumbsup:

I seem to remember from the last trial that he'd be taken to jail right away if he was convicted, but now with the lesser charge in there, I'm not sure how that would go ~ like if he'd have a chance to go home and do himself in. :shrug:

[sunstar]

Especially since he gets right to the point with the facts. Clear, concise and clever....he has it all and that will stick with the jurors. Last thing they hear before the jury instruction. Oh so smart...:rolleyes:

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~



I really have missed not being able to watch this trial. AJ was so good the first time, and as I've read updates, I can still imagine him questioning witnesses and giving his closing argument. I just pray this time he seals the deal! :smile:

[penguin01]

Hi! I think it's a brilliant move by AJ!! Yes, he'll get the last word right before the jury is given their instructions. :thumbsup: RIght - like My2Cents said - he needs to tie everything up in a neat package and hand it to the jury ready for Manslaughter 2 - and he will.
If there are no scam artists or liars on this jury and they get to deliberate tomorrow afternoon - I do believe they could come back with a verdict on Fri - THIS Fri - not Apr 3.

[sunstar]

What if it's another hung jury - do you think they'll go for a 3rd trial?

Don't even think about a hung jury again!! :no:

[sunstar]

RIght - like My2Cents said - he needs to tie everything up in a neat package and hand it to the jury ready for Manslaughter 2 - and he will.
If there are no scam artists or liars on this jury and they get to deliberate tomorrow afternoon - I do believe they could come back with a verdict on Fri - THIS Fri - not Apr 3.

I'm praying! :smile:

[Curlyjo]

I seem to remember from the last trial that he'd be taken to jail right away if he was convicted, but now with the lesser charge in there, I'm not sure how that would go ~ like if he'd have a chance to go home and do himself in. :shrug:

Well, I would hope not...then he would be a coward but then again he is one except if he has a GUN!!!!:cursing:

[penguin01]

What if it's another hung jury - do you think they'll go for a 3rd trial? Lets not even think about that - don't put it out there for the universe as an option. WOn't need to worry about it - this jury knows they need to get the job done - and they will do it.

By the way - does anyone have any idea why Greg Sims would turn against Lana after all this time - change his story and pretend he didn't, etc. I have a thought. Do you suppose he was really just exposing the weakness of the defense case - the sham and fakery and out and out lying? Sims would know that AJ and Truc would catch him out, wouldn't he? Or is he really a dumb guy?
Wienberg wasn't up to speed on that one...... but I just wonder if Greg actually was - and he did it for the prosecution (for Lana). What do you think?

[sunstar]

Well, I would hope not...then he would be a coward but then again he is one except if he has a GUN!!!!:cursing:

I hope not too. It would be much more appropriate for him to have to go to prison and face the fear that Lana must have had when she had that gun pointed in her face. MOO

[vonna]

Lets not even think about that - don't put it out there for the universe as an option. WOn't need to worry about it - this jury knows they need to get the job done - and they will do it.

By the way - does anyone have any idea why Greg Sims would turn against Lana after all this time - change his story and pretend he didn't, etc. I have a thought. Do you suppose he was really just exposing the weakness of the defense case - the sham and fakery and out and out lying? Sims would know that AJ and Truc would catch him out, wouldn't he? Or is he really a dumb guy?
Wienberg wasn't up to speed on that one...... but I just wonder if Greg actually was - and he did it for the prosecution (for Lana). What do you think?


He'd do it for the same reason the "experts" have - a big, fat check!!!

[Curlyjo]

I hope not too. It would be much more appropriate for him to have to go to prison and face the fear that Lana must have had when she had that gun pointed in her face. MOO

The only fear he would have in prison..most likely because he would be in a different location than the rest of the population... that he is locked up and would have to take orders from people he believes are below HIM!!!!!!:cursing:

[tartangirl]

I really have missed not being able to watch this trial. AJ was so good the first time, and as I've read updates, I can still imagine him questioning witnesses and giving his closing argument. I just pray this time he seals the deal! :smile:

I have missed seeing this trial so much. I read all that I can of what has gone on in that courtroom. I know AJ will do his usual wonderful job. It is the unknown jurors that I have the willies about. We know far less this time about those people that will sit in judgment of what they saw for six months presented to them by Truc Do, AJ and DW. The unknown thoughts and logic abilities of twelve different thinking humans. Hmmm...I think the mistrial last time has me a little shy of the whole deliberation time. AJ...he is gonna hit it out of the ballpark. The jury is the point of contention for me. :ohmy:


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[vonna]

Lets not even think about that - don't put it out there for the universe as an option. WOn't need to worry about it - this jury knows they need to get the job done - and they will do it.

By the way - does anyone have any idea why Greg Sims would turn against Lana after all this time - change his story and pretend he didn't, etc. I have a thought. Do you suppose he was really just exposing the weakness of the defense case - the sham and fakery and out and out lying? Sims would know that AJ and Truc would catch him out, wouldn't he? Or is he really a dumb guy?
Wienberg wasn't up to speed on that one...... but I just wonder if Greg actually was - and he did it for the prosecution (for Lana). What do you think?

He'd do it for the same reason the "experts" have - a big, fat check!

[KathR]

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Hey Kath..!! Weren't you here for the last jury watch..??

One night it ran until 10pm, pacific. Jury wasn't sure they could leave...lol

Quite a bit different this time around.

Scramble for information. Shame on MSM.

Good to see your interest is still intact.


bearwds

Yes. I was here. With my eyeballs on my cheeks. What a disappointmnet that verdict was. I hope justice is done this time. And I hope it is at least Murder 2, not Manslaughter.

See you tomorrow to begin the watch.

[sunstar]

The only fear he would have in prison..most likely because he would be in a different location than the rest of the population... that he is locked up and would have to take orders from people he believes are below HIM!!!!!!:cursing:

Oh, you're right, I forgot he probably wouldn't be in general population. :sad:

[Curlyjo]

Now Curlyjo, don't be taking away my fantasies!

Sorry LOL:wink: But I am just focusing on PS nightmares and may they happen everyday and night!!!:thumbsup:

[Curlyjo]

Oh, you're right, I forgot he probably wouldn't be in general population. :sad:

Thats okay ...the general population would be better off and him ...NOT!!!!:thumbsup:

[Jayne]

Why 10 minutes tomorrow? Don't you think that could have been done today? Or is it an advantage, as in having the last word?? Go AJ!!

Good point. DA always has the "last word"..and it doesn't really matter when..but putting it off to tomorrow, I think, IMHO, was a smart move...it gives the jurors to individually hash over what they've heard so far (and seen, apparently...I have to catch up..but DW in that Chair?? have to read more to understand it..drama, no doubt..but I hope he was reiterating expert witness testimony and not testifying himself (WHICH I doubt he'd do..he'd know better).

Plus..it brings in the Crew (Spectors and team, etc.) for that Final Ten Minutes...like a football game...held off until the next morning for a brief moments of WIN! But..it puts the jury into the deliberation room for the rest of the day. At least as I understand it..and so they Start Deliberating after hearing AJ..the last to speak...instead of starting a day after the last "words". Does that make sense? I tried to say it best I could.

jmo

J

[penguin01]

Yes. I was here. With my eyeballs on my cheeks. What a disappointmnet that verdict was. I hope justice is done this time. And I hope it is at least Murder 2, not Manslaughter.

See you tomorrow to begin the watch.
Well that was one darn dumb jury last time! If they didn't know when they could leave - couldn't they figure out how to ask?
They didn't know they could get rid of the idiot foreman who was not deliberating (or the "I'll vote how he votes" idiot who couldn't be bothered to think for herself ) - couldn't they figure out how to ask? SHeesh!!! OMIG - sorry #9 - hope you are not reading this tonight.
I'm just tired and frustrated. SO glad this will be over soon.

[sunstar]

Good point.
<respectfully snipped>

Plus..it brings in the Crew (Spectors and team, etc.) for that Final Ten Minutes...like a football game...held off until the next morning for a brief moments of WIN! But..it puts the jury into the deliberation room for the rest of the day. At least as I understand it..and so they Start Deliberating after hearing AJ..the last to speak...instead of starting a day after the last "words". Does that make sense? I tried to say it best I could.

jmo

J

Yes it sure does make sense, and I think this is exactly why he's doing it this way. Certainly Judge Fidler would've allowed an extra 10 min. today for him to sum up ~ if AJ really wanted to! Again, I think it's brilliant! :smile:

[wnb]

Thats okay ...the general population would be better off and him ...NOT!!!!:thumbsup:

Corcoran State Prison has a special wing for prisoners who can't be in the general population. Among them are Mikhail Markhaseev (Ennis Cosby's killer), Sirhan Sirhan, and a fellow named Charles Manson. Phil Spector may not be sent there, but he might be.

[Curlyjo]

Good point. DA always has the "last word"..and it doesn't really matter when..but putting it off to tomorrow, I think, IMHO, was a smart move...it gives the jurors to individually hash over what they've heard so far (and seen, apparently...I have to catch up..but DW in that Chair?? have to read more to understand it..drama, no doubt..but I hope he was reiterating expert witness testimony and not testifying himself (WHICH I doubt he'd do..he'd know better).

Plus..it brings in the Crew (Spectors and team, etc.) for that Final Ten Minutes...like a football game...held off until the next morning for a brief moments of WIN! But..it puts the jury into the deliberation room for the rest of the day. At least as I understand it..and so they Start Deliberating after hearing AJ..the last to speak...instead of starting a day after the last "words". Does that make sense? I tried to say it best I could.

jmo

J
I agree. Brilliant actually. The DA kept their closing arguments short but really sweet so the defense had to refigure their response. So their attack at Tru Do's closing allowed them only so much and they did their best to respond but how much can one do without losing the jury? This allows AJ to finish up and his rebuttal would be still fresh in their minds and they can go to the jury room before the weekend.:thumbsup:

[Curlyjo]

No matter where he is in jail I don't see him fairing to well...but, still better than Lana

I agree.
Sad huh for poor Lana.

[FREEMORE]

Could you imagine CM and PS as room mates :scared:Aren't/weren't they both in the music field?

[Jayne]

I agree. Brilliant actually. The DA kept their closing arguments short but really sweet so the defense had to refigure their response. So their attack at Tru Do's closing allowed them only so much and they did their best to respond but how much can one do without losing the jury? This allows AJ to finish up and his rebuttal would be still fresh in their minds and they can go to the jury room before the weekend.:thumbsup:

Absolutely...

I'm going to share the other side of my "career"..music..

You either want to be "first in"..or "last out"..."last out is probably best..but you're graded by the first in"..always..don't let anyone else tell you differently...but there may be those "competitors in the middle who just WOW the judges"..

I was always told..when auditioning...IF you're really really good...be the First...IF not...step back..but if you're good enough to beat out a bunch of "fairly good ones"..be the LAST.

Criminal law procedure is so interesting...DA goes first..in argument..then the Defense..BUT..the DA get's to come back...BECAUSE it is the State charging the case.

IMO..the DA timed it perfectly...sometimes many don't have that choice. DW should have dragged his out, perhaps..to get into tomorrow...so he had some more to ADD..then AJ..which would lessen the impact. My guess? DW figured..AJ would just speak for 5-10 minutes..then end it. Poor Choice. DW should have "padded it"..to even go into tomorrow morning..if he wanted that "last moment" impace.

just my lay opinion..

jmo

J

[dref99]

Good point. DA always has the "last word"..and it doesn't really matter when..but putting it off to tomorrow, I think, IMHO, was a smart move...it gives the jurors to individually hash over what they've heard so far (and seen, apparently...I have to catch up..but DW in that Chair?? have to read more to understand it..drama, no doubt..but I hope he was reiterating expert witness testimony and not testifying himself (WHICH I doubt he'd do..he'd know better).

Plus..it brings in the Crew (Spectors and team, etc.) for that Final Ten Minutes...like a football game...held off until the next morning for a brief moments of WIN! But..it puts the jury into the deliberation room for the rest of the day. At least as I understand it..and so they Start Deliberating after hearing AJ..the last to speak...instead of starting a day after the last "words". Does that make sense? I tried to say it best I could.

jmo

J

Hi Jayne

My2cents suggested this may happen a few pages back - as Weinberg was going on and on.

It seems at times both sides play "tactics" in the trial. I hope the jury look at the facts - they probably need less paper to summarize than Mr Weinberg's closing - Was it longer than LKBs? I notice they both used handwritten notes in a folder - are all defense attorneys computer illiterate?

I am not a member of the younger generation, but I use a computer when putting together notes and/or presentations - and learnt many years ago not to use document size fonts for displaying on large screens - might be worth a grant to investigate and update defense lawyers' computer skills

jmo

[oodi1]

Aren't/weren't they both in the music field?

CM wanted to be. One of The Beach Boys (Dennis Wilson, I think) had been to the ranch, and had talked with CM a few times... then I think he got wise, and dropped CM like a hot potato.

[FREEMORE]

CM wanted to be. One of The Beach Boys (Dennis Wilson, I think) had been to the ranch, and had talked with CM a few times... then I think he got wise, and dropped CM like a hot potato.
Thanks I thought I remembered something about him singing.
Seriously I think the penal system needs to have places for senior citizens.

[Curlyjo]

Absolutely...

I'm going to share the other side of my "career"..music..

You either want to be "first in"..or "last out"..."last out is probably best..but you're graded by the first in"..always..don't let anyone else tell you differently...but there may be those "competitors in the middle who just WOW the judges"..

I was always told..when auditioning...IF you're really really good...be the First...IF not...step back..but if you're good enough to beat out a bunch of "fairly good ones"..be the LAST.

Criminal law procedure is so interesting...DA goes first..in argument..then the Defense..BUT..the DA get's to come back...BECAUSE it is the State charging the case.

IMO..the DA timed it perfectly...sometimes many don't have that choice. DW should have dragged his out, perhaps..to get into tomorrow...so he had some more to ADD..then AJ..which would lessen the impact. My guess? DW figured..AJ would just speak for 5-10 minutes..then end it. Poor Choice. DW should have "padded it"..to even go into tomorrow morning..if he wanted that "last moment" impace.

just my lay opinion..

jmo

J
But don't you agree that Tru Do could have given more reasons and explanation that would have given DW more to address but she didn't and she was concise and to the point which gave DW only so much to readdress and then to add his points for closing. This allowed AJ to readdress DW's point and reconfirm the DA's most important points.

[dref99]

Steven Mikulan's writeup on Alan Jackson's closing - it seems I did him an injustice - as he did try to finish today - but a juror intervened

http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/full-court-press/phil-spector-the-burden-of-tru/

After the Deputy D.A.'s rebuttal had run 35 minutes past the court's normal closing time, a juror told Judge Fidler she had to leave. And with that court recessed until tomorrow morning, when jurors will hear the final 10 minutes of Jackson's argument

jmo

[Jayne]

Hi Jayne

My2cents suggested this may happen a few pages back - as Weinberg was going on and on.

It seems at times both sides play "tactics" in the trial. I hope the jury look at the facts - they probably need less paper to summarize than Mr Weinberg's closing - Was it longer than LKBs? I notice they both used handwritten notes in a folder - are all defense attorneys computer illiterate?

I am not a member of the younger generation, but I use a computer when putting together notes and/or presentations - and learnt many years ago not to use document size fonts for displaying on large screens - might be worth a grant to investigate and update defense lawyers' computer skills

jmo

No dref..it does not mean they are computer STUPID....I was raised in the pen and paper era of attorney-ing..and I still stick to it..even though I put the same information on CD eventually. (and I was a Prosecutor..not a defense attorney...PLUS..at last minute..if you don't have the time to put it into a computer..or don't want to..there is nothing wrong with handwritten notes. I'm sorry if you disagree with me. I happen to LOVE my handwritten notes (that I later type into a document, if not earlier). Life has changed...when I was in the courtroom..it was files..papers..papers...it's different today..and I am a Fast Learner..if having to do that. BUT, I still will not give up MY WRITTEN NOTES..which may be on the computer or on screen. It's just the way I "function".

I think the problem with anything..whether it's on paper or on computer is...if you DIDN'T write it down.

I used to spend endless hours the evening(s) before a trial..making sure I had everything on my legal pad (we didn't have computers in the courtroom, back then...and it wasn't that long ago). And, I was "anal" enough to "color code them".

I cannot disparage the defense for using legal pads...I see nothing wrong with it..sorry..

jmo

J

[Exiled.]

Corcoran State Prison has a special wing for prisoners who can't be in the general population. Among them are Mikhail Markhaseev (Ennis Cosby's killer), Sirhan Sirhan, and a fellow named Charles Manson. Phil Spector may not be sent there, but he might be.


FYI: Markhasev has adjusted well in prison. He is part of the prison inmate government, and he has a talent for well written essays that can be found online. He has found religion, and made the most of his circumstances of life behind bars. He has a brilliant mind, and has tried his best to put it to its best use.

[kennedy06]

Thanks I thought I remembered something about him singing.
Seriously I think the penal system needs to have places for senior citizens.

Your not going to believe this but on utube their is actuall a clip of CM singing. I was shocked when I found it when thinking about a post about life for PS in Prison, and how rock groups seem to come to admire or whatever some behind bars, such as Gns & Roses did CM by recording a song written by them.

I won't link to it, I feel funny doing that but if you want to hear it it is under Charles Mans.. sings Look at your game girl.

I was shocked.

On our open court board there was a recent photo of CM. I don't think PS would recognize him, I didn't at first when I seen it on the news and I guess PS would look different.. if.. he is convicted and once in prison.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=350631

[dref99]

No dref..it does not mean they are computer STUPID....I was raised in the pen and paper era of attorney-ing..and I still stick to it..even though I put the same information on CD eventually. (and I was a Prosecutor..not a defense attorney...PLUS..at last minute..if you don't have the time to put it into a computer..or don't want to..there is nothing wrong with handwritten notes. I'm sorry if you disagree with me. I happen to LOVE my handwritten notes (that I later type into a document, if not earlier). Life has changed...when I was in the courtroom..it was files..papers..papers...it's different today..and I am a Fast Learner..if having to do that. BUT, I still will not give up MY WRITTEN NOTES..which may be on the computer or on screen. It's just the way I "function".

I think the problem with anything..whether it's on paper or on computer is...if you DIDN'T write it down.

I used to spend endless hours the evening(s) before a trial..making sure I had everything on my legal pad (we didn't have computers in the courtroom, back then...and it wasn't that long ago). And, I was "anal" enough to "color code them".

I cannot disparage the defense for using legal pads...I see nothing wrong with it..sorry..

jmo

J

I do not "disparage" - I simply do not understand - perhaps I have spent much of my life typing - I type the notes, print them out & then make any changes I want to make by hand - works for me, and for most in my professional life - which was not the law.

But if this is the norm for the law - so be it - I think they would be quicker & more organised with their defense if they used the tools available - it does not relate to skill at thinking. It does not relate to taking notes in the courtroom.

I remember reading about novelists who moved from handwritten to computer written drafts - many found it so difficult the first time round - but most picked up on the benefits fairly quickly. I have a friend who writes short stories - she told me she changed from handwritten drafts when her editor said she was the last person from whom she accepted handwriting - and it would not be for much longer :sad:

as always - just my opinion

[bearwds]

Corcoran State Prison has a special wing for prisoners who can't be in the general population. Among them are Mikhail Markhaseev (Ennis Cosby's killer), Sirhan Sirhan, and a fellow named Charles Manson. Phil Spector may not be sent there, but he might be.

***********************************

I don't see him going to Corcoran.

After the handcuffs click, there will be a period of time in a prison reception center for classification. The typical stay is 3 months.

The closest is Wasco State Prison in Kern County. (a trivia note... ..the movie "North By Northwest", filmed by Alfred Hitchcock, and staring Cary Grant. Classic scene of an airplane chasing Grant, was filmed in Kern County.

From there, I would suspect he would be transferred to the California Medical Facility at Vacaville. Prison is for low risk offenders needing minimal supervision.

Let's face it...take away the drink and guns, Spector is pretty harmless.


bearwds

[Juror #9]

Well that was one darn dumb jury last time! If they didn't know when they could leave - couldn't they figure out how to ask?
They didn't know they could get rid of the idiot foreman who was not deliberating (or the "I'll vote how he votes" idiot who couldn't be bothered to think for herself ) - couldn't they figure out how to ask? SHeesh!!! OMIG - sorry #9 - hope you are not reading this tonight.
I'm just tired and frustrated. SO glad this will be over soon.

Yes, I'm here.

[kennedy06]

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I don't see him going to Corcoran.

After the handcuffs click, there will be a period of time in a prison reception center for classification. The typical stay is 3 months.

The closest is Wasco State Prison in Kern County. (a trivia note... ..the movie "North By Northwest", filmed by Alfred Hitchcock, and staring Cary Grant. Classic scene of an airplane chasing Grant, was filmed in Kern County.

From there, I would suspect he would be transferred to the California Medical Facility at Vacaville. Prison is for low risk offenders needing minimal supervision.

Let's face it...take away the drink and guns, Spector is pretty harmless.


bearwds

Hes older, a low risk prison I could understand, but wouldn't they have to worry about how others treated him and that is why the high risk place was made, not about them about how to protect them from others?

I had this link, it is old from 2005 about Michael J. and possible celebrity housing.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jun/09/local/me-prison9

[lmercer]

Juror#09 how frustrating that must have been, I watched the entire trial and I believe the foreman wanted beyond any doubt, and it is REASONABLE doubt, COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for your jury service.

[Curlyjo]

FYI: Markhasev has adjusted well in prison. He is part of the prison inmate government, and he has a talent for well written essays that can be found online. He has found religion, and made the most of his circumstances of life behind bars. He has a brilliant mind, and has tried his best to put it to its best use.

At least he had the guts to admit the truth which I appreciate that truly. :thumbup:

[Curlyjo]

Sprocket has more info on today's clhttp://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/osing

[eagleeer]

Well that was one darn dumb jury last time! If they didn't know when they could leave - couldn't they figure out how to ask?
They didn't know they could get rid of the idiot foreman who was not deliberating (or the "I'll vote how he votes" idiot who couldn't be bothered to think for herself ) - couldn't they figure out how to ask? SHeesh!!! OMIG - sorry #9 - hope you are not reading this tonight.
I'm just tired and frustrated. SO glad this will be over soon.


I am sorry if I hurt anyone’s sensibilities here but in PS1 I believe that the jury as a whole failed the system. Not just the foreperson. Another Juror and we should all know who that was IIRC claimed to be a bully, “a bully for justice”. Then why may I ask did he or the rest of the jurors allow three days to pass before he forced the first sample vote on where everyone stood with regards to his innocence or guilt? Were 10 other jurors intimidated by the foreperson to the extent that they wouldn’t advise the Judge that he refused to deliberate? They could have had him removed and elected another foreperson. Why did the “bully for justice” let this happen? It was only on the last day, IIRC that he forced the issue and buzzed the court to let them know that they were hopelessly deadlocked against the wishes of the foreperson. As I recall, the foreperson said he was “still listening”. Listening to what may I ask? I will not announce my belief as to the guilt or innocence of Phil Spector as it is not my place to do so since I wasn’t at the trial on the jury nor at the crime scene when it happened. Two people know what happened and one of them is sadly deceased and cannot speak for her self. All the lawyers, experts, talking heads and armchair detectives are never going to solve this tragedy. All the theories and opinions mean nothing. I personally will not jump for joy if Phil Spector is convicted and I will respect what this new jury decides. It will not affect my life in any way nor should it yours with the exception of his family and friends. It saddens me that so many want such vengeance. For vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

[Exiled.]

At least he had the guts to admit the truth which I appreciate that truly. :thumbup:


Or the sense to protect his beloved Mother and Grandmother.

[warhorse46]

I am sorry if I hurt anyone’s sensibilities here but in PS1 I believe that the jury as a whole failed the system. Not just the foreperson. Another Juror and we should all know who that was IIRC claimed to be a bully, “a bully for justice”. Then why may I ask did he or the rest of the jurors allow three days to pass before he forced the first sample vote on where everyone stood with regards to his innocence or guilt? Were 10 other jurors intimidated by the foreperson to the extent that they wouldn’t advise the Judge that he refused to deliberate? They could have had him removed and elected another foreperson. Why did the “bully for justice” let this happen? It was only on the last day, IIRC that he forced the issue and buzzed the court to let them know that they were hopelessly deadlocked against the wishes of the foreperson. As I recall, the foreperson said he was “still listening”. Listening to what may I ask? I will not announce my belief as to the guilt or innocence of Phil Spector as it is not my place to do so since I wasn’t at the trial on the jury nor at the crime scene when it happened. Two people know what happened and one of them is sadly deceased and cannot speak for her self. All the lawyers, experts, talking heads and armchair detectives are never going to solve this tragedy. All the theories and opinions mean nothing. I personally will not jump for joy if Phil Spector is convicted and I will respect what this new jury decides. It will not affect my life in any way nor should it yours with the exception of his family and friends. It saddens me that so many want such vengeance. For vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

IMO you have used the wrong word to describe most of the posters her. I don't think any of us want vengeance, what we want is justice & prison time for a man whom we believe to be guilty of a crime. What the Lord has to say is irrelevant in our court system. Mr. Spector will have to deal with that when his judgement day comes but until then he, like the rest of us, are bound by man's laws. Will the verdict directly effect my life? No, not any more than the hundreds of verdicts I have witnessed over the last 10 years. But my hobby is watching our justice system operate & I have learned a vast amount doing that.

[eagleeer]

IMO you have used the wrong word to describe most of the posters her. I don't think any of us want vengeance, what we want is justice & prison time for a man whom we believe to be guilty of a crime. What the Lord has to say is irrelevant in our court system. Mr. Spector will have to deal with that when his judgement day comes but until then he, like the rest of us, are bound by man's laws. Will the verdict directly effect my life? No, not any more than the hundreds of verdicts I have witnessed over the last 10 years. But my hobby is watching our justice system operate & I have learned a vast amount doing that.

"What the Lord has to say is irrelevant in our court system."

And just where did you think that "I promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God came from?
Add to that, I never used the term "most posters here". We are bound by "man's laws"? I guess you haven't heard of the Ten Comandments, the fundamentals of all man's laws. Rather curious that you address a snippet of my comment and not address the content. Even with over 13,600 comments you have made here, I am not sure you have learned much at all. Have a nice evening.

[dref99]

I am sorry if I hurt anyone’s sensibilities here but in PS1 I believe that the jury as a whole failed the system. Not just the foreperson. Another Juror and we should all know who that was IIRC claimed to be a bully, “a bully for justice”. Then why may I ask did he or the rest of the jurors allow three days to pass before he forced the first sample vote on where everyone stood with regards to his innocence or guilt? Were 10 other jurors intimidated by the foreperson to the extent that they wouldn’t advise the Judge that he refused to deliberate? They could have had him removed and elected another foreperson. Why did the “bully for justice” let this happen? It was only on the last day, IIRC that he forced the issue and buzzed the court to let them know that they were hopelessly deadlocked against the wishes of the foreperson. As I recall, the foreperson said he was “still listening”. Listening to what may I ask? I will not announce my belief as to the guilt or innocence of Phil Spector as it is not my place to do so since I wasn’t at the trial on the jury nor at the crime scene when it happened. Two people know what happened and one of them is sadly deceased and cannot speak for her self. All the lawyers, experts, talking heads and armchair detectives are never going to solve this tragedy. All the theories and opinions mean nothing. I personally will not jump for joy if Phil Spector is convicted and I will respect what this new jury decides. It will not affect my life in any way nor should it yours with the exception of his family and friends. It saddens me that so many want such vengeance. For vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

If you don't want to give an opinion - that is fine - it is not compulsory, yet you are so critical of a jury and/or juror who had difficulty in understanding all the rules/regulations and/or in reaching a decision.

There is so much we know about events before and after the death of Lana, that will never be known to a jury - it is surely much easier for us to form an opinion, than it is for the jury.

I hope they do come to a decision, I think the facts are quite simple, but in a six months period they have had to listen to many different opinions of one event and the facts surrounding that event. They have had to listen to different discussions of and about the people involved with that event, both before and after it happened. Most of them have probably never been on a jury before. The "rules" they must follow are given to them by the judge. If some items are not covered (ie ANYONE can complain to the judge) or misunderstood, that is disappointing but not unexpected. The legal word is sometimes very different to the world most of us live in.

I am not gleeful when a verdict is reached, I would prefer that there had never been a need for a verdict. I do, however, hope that there is a verdict and will always have the opinion that this was not a suicide. I will never understand the need of any man to be physically aggressive towards any woman, especially those who have shown him friendship. I could call this agression someone being a "bully for injustice" and I hope the jury see this very clearly.

I believe that justice should happen in this world. I thank every jury that assists in bringing this justice to fruition. I sometimes disagree with their verdict, but I was not there to deliberate with them, so have to accept the result, whatever it was/is.

jmo

[emsdallas]

My first reaction about juror number five couldn't stay ten more minutes for Jackson to finish was 'you got to be kidding'. But I believe Jackson's finishing Thursday morning will essentially be a slam dunk.

It would be great if the jury returned within hours with a guilty verdict!

Is it too much to hope that TruTV/InSession will televise Jackson's closing???

Justice for Lana:rose:

[eagleeer]

dreff99

Thank you for your thoughtful post. My only consternation with it is that if the jury or juror had difficulty in understanding the rules and regulations it should have been brought to the attention of the Judge within the three days that there was no vote taken. I do not buy the story by the "bully for justice" that he didn't understand that they could replace the foreman, and if he didn't he should have darn well asked the Judge or asked to be excused. He had that right at any time and didn't exercise it. Had he done so we wouldn't be here today discussing it. And BTW, I don't excuse Juror #10's mule-headedness either.

[dref99]

My first reaction about juror number five couldn't stay ten more minutes for Jackson to finish was 'you got to be kidding'. But I believe Jackson's finishing Thursday morning will essentially be a slam dunk.

It would be great if the jury returned within hours with a guilty verdict!

Is it too much to hope that TruTV/InSession will televise Jackson's closing???

Justice for Lana:rose:

I tended to initially think the same - but these folks have been at the beck and call of this court for 6 months - as we often say - they probably do have "a real life". If Monday had been more than a half day - the need to stay late would never have arisen.

And yes - I think it is too much to hope for any more than a few snippets from the closing - but I would hope against hope for something from the verdict, or the sentencing (if applicable)

jmo

[tartangirl]

A good picture of Alan Jackson all fired up..:wink: Ye-haw! A fine wrap up so far.

~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~




http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector26-2009mar26,0,3965481.story

[Moe76]

Morning everybody, this is going to be a great day for Lana! Oh and AJ, "Don't go", one more time please.

[mbmb]

After reading Joe's latest post it sounds like he can't wait for this trial to over, too:

http://losangelestrials.blogspot.com/

[mbmb]

Beth Karas is on TruTv right now talking about the trial.

[mbmb]

Ron Kuby (sp) is pretty shocked isn't he about Pex. Wow the psychologist guest, no high risk behavior in Lana, was actually very hopeful..... because of her looks and things ..some... may think oh she acted out like Marilyn M and others stars have, but PS does have a history of high risk behavior and alcohol abuse that could lead to murder (murder said loudly and shockingly) (paraphrasing and wow)

From that episode, no sympathy for the defense I can see.

ITA....it was great to see both Truc Do and Weinberg giving some their closings. I wish they would have shown some of Alan Jackson's, maybe tomorrow.

[tartangirl]

Good morning all! Finally! getting to the jury instructions and deliberations. I hope the instructions are far easier to understand than the last time. I'm like Joe Friday...ready for this to end! I think it will be a short deliberation..but then I thought that last time too! :rolleyes:


It does sound like Joe Friday has had enough of DW that is for sure. :rolleyes:

I did watch the short recap coverage of this retrial just now and as I knew it would, it left me only wanting more. Flashbacks of AJ and Pat Dixon from PS1 and the remarkable talents of Beth Karas as she led us through the daily happenings. Sigh...yes, I remember it well..:wink:


well, we always have the twitter...if our guy is there today and can get in.

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[mbmb]

Wow! What a report! Good morning all, I'm here.

Good Morning to you, Tutie. And, thanks again for finding Michael Linder for all of us.

[tartangirl]

Wow! What a report! Good morning all, I'm here.


You really did make the day for all of us Wednesday with your news of the "twitter" and the great contact inside the courtroom. I wonder if anyone has heard back from him yet?

I hope all parties involved...especially Alan Jackson .....got a good night's sleep last night. The adrenaline must be at top level by that whole prosecution team by now. Six years of work and study and heartfelt feelings for the victim. Yep, I would have to say all are on edge ...jussssst a wee bit. :rolleyes:


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[FREEMORE]

Thanks Kennedy06 for your info on CM's musical talent. He-He
I am so glad we are near the end of this case. PS1 was a complete drain on me. Real life got left behind in that one for me. It was very kind of TruTv to show the clips from the courtroom.

I wonder if the judge should instruct the jury that if one of jurors is not deliberating in good faith he/she can be dismissed. Probably not. Just thinking of PS1.

[oodi1]

Good morning tutie, and everyone else!!!

Thanks again tutie, for the tweet tutoring yesterday!!!

[oodi1]

I haven't heard anything back from Michael Linder but his tweets did start coming more frequently after several of us tried to contacted him.

I'm hoping he's there again this morning, and willing to oblige us for the last of AJ's closing. So many of us are wondering if he'll use the "Don't go" again.

[Curlyjo]

Good Morning to you all....well here we are and the end of the trial and a short time from now the jury will start deliberating. Wow....just the thought of it all is sobering for me. Since the first trial (which I watched from beginning to end) I was so sure the jury would come back guilty...just like I am today just a bit more nervous. I think I will go walk my dog:smile:

[kennedy06]

Thanks Kennedy06 for your info on CM's musical talent. He-He
I am so glad we are near the end of this case. PS1 was a complete drain on me. Real life got left behind in that one for me. It was very kind of TruTv to show the clips from the courtroom.

I wonder if the judge should instruct the jury that if one of jurors is not deliberating in good faith he/she can be dismissed. Probably not. Just thinking of PS1.


Oh some of my posts !:rolleyes:

:smile:

[tartangirl]

If he doesn't us 'Don't Go!', I hope he uses 'Can't wait...' from Lana's last email.


Ever since Monday when I heard Truc Do talk about that it has been in and out of my head. Now I know why and have been thinking about it all morning long today...:rolleyes:

You are on top of it tutie....might just be the words of the day. If not, it is a powerful phrase in any case. :wink:


~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[warhorse46]

"What the Lord has to say is irrelevant in our court system."

And just where did you think that "I promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God came from?
Add to that, I never used the term "most posters here". We are bound by "man's laws"? I guess you haven't heard of the Ten Comandments, the fundamentals of all man's laws. Rather curious that you address a snippet of my comment and not address the content. Even with over 13,600 comments you have made here, I am not sure you have learned much at all. Have a nice evening.

Nowhere in that oath does it say one is bound to adhere to God's laws only in the court room. And there is a version of that oath that is given to witnesses who do not believe in God that leaves the last phrase out, it is still just as binding as the original. Your example does not fit the issue. Perhaps you have missed all the news articles of The Ten Commandments being removed from state & federal buildings including court houses because of seperation of state & Church. Again I state, it is not vengeance I want, it is justice under MAN'S laws. I want to see a man whom I believe to be guilty of a crime be punished for the crime I believe he committed.

[warhorse46]

Great post!

I never expect anyone else to see things exactly the way I do. I understand why most people think that PS is guilty. I just happen to see it differently.


Some having a different view of a trial is the bread & butter of these boards & I respect that.

[GPSpector]

dreff99

Thank you for your thoughtful post. My only consternation with it is that if the jury or juror had difficulty in understanding the rules and regulations it should have been brought to the attention of the Judge within the three days that there was no vote taken. I do not buy the story by the "bully for justice" that he didn't understand that they could replace the foreman, and if he didn't he should have darn well asked the Judge or asked to be excused. He had that right at any time and didn't exercise it. Had he done so we wouldn't be here today discussing it. And BTW, I don't excuse Juror #10's mule-headedness either.

If I am not mistaken, after I actually spoke with Juror #9, it was the Foreman that had convinced the other Jurors that it is only the Foreman that can bring issues to the Judge. If what he said was true (and I fave no reason to doubt him), do you honestly believe that Juror #10 would have submitted a complaint about himself?? You are welcome to ask him yourself if he has not already replied.

I do not know how he was able to grant himself any power over them but that is what he did. It was not until after the hung Jury that they found out that the Foreman has no other privileges other then just being the one that reads the vote.

Also, to a prior comment, I do believe the quote "Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God" came from a time when it seemed best to put the fear of God in someone to tell the truth and it worked, then.

It seemed that you implied that the Bible, or more specifically, the 10 Commandments are referred to in our modern day Court System. Sorry, it is not. They may have been the back done to early Law, again using the Fear of God to promote good behavior, that is no longer the case with the exception of those strongly focused in their religion.

Here's a link that discuses a Case regarding the 10 Commandments at Courthouses:
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=15483

10 Commandments on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

How many of those Commandments are really enforced in our Laws and in the Courtroom? Sorry, none of them as they are all superseded by our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

They are however, a great guild for living life but no legal entity will enforce them on the grounds of Separation of Church & State.

[Daisy'sMom]

Today I hope we will see justice for the Clarkson family, and of course, Lana. I have a stck of ironing to do, but will be back every hour to see what's happening. Sprocket said she would update on T&T if the free wifi in the court is working.
Justice for Lana:rose:

[GPSpector]

Beth Karas is on TruTv right now talking about the trial.

Is there a link to a website where she can be seen? I'd like to have heard it. It seems the TruTV website is full of video from TV shows but nothing current. The only info I could find about my father's case was all related to the 1st trial :sad:

TruTV is not available on the Basic Cable lineup.

[logbump]

Hi GPS, this is online coverage of InSession
http://www.blinkotv.com/

[GPSpector]

I'm hoping he's there again this morning, and willing to oblige us for the last of AJ's closing. So many of us are wondering if he'll use the "Don't go" again.

I almost expect him to use the 3D computer animation that he used for Closing during the last trial. It was not great quality but it really made it clear as to how they thought the crime took place.

[Jayne]

I am quite sure this won't happen...but considering what DW "pulled off" with that chair...I'd like to see AJ stand in front of it, with his hand out..just like PS was in PS1...aiming at the "invisible" Lana. And..perhaps say "Don't Go"...or like another poster said "Can't Wait"...or "mumble" as if "cursing" as PS has done about women.

jmo

J

[kennedy06]

Wow Jayne and the rest of you guys come up with some good ideas.

I feel sort of nervous as the poster above posted said they were. I feel bad Phil S had it all and look at what has become of him :unsure: Lana had so much more than most women could ever dream of having and what a wonderful future she may have had. ♥

:rose:

[Dave]

While we're waiting for today's updates to begin, here's some comic relief I found on bestweekever.tv:

"Phil Spector’s defense team has spent $419,000 on forensic experts. That’s right - even Phil Spector’s alibi is overproduced!"

:laugh: :thumbsup:

[bearwds]

I am quite sure this won't happen...but considering what DW "pulled off" with that chair...I'd like to see AJ stand in front of it, with his hand out..just like PS was in PS1...aiming at the "invisible" Lana. And..perhaps say "Don't Go"...or like another poster said "Can't Wait"...or "mumble" as if "cursing" as PS has done about women.

jmo

J

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Hey Jayne... Good to see ya. Been a long road.

I can't believe DW's gall at plopping himself down in the murder chair and assuming the "dead" position.

It's not "sacred" but good gawd man, have you no decency..??

As to the oaths taken... Ever see Officer Byrd administer the oath on Judge Judy..??

"Do you promise to tell the truth in this matter..?"

That's it.

If a Twit comes through...please inform and Link.

bearwds
.....Ready to retire my Sig Line after 2 years.....

[penguin01]

Yes, I'm here. Mea culpa #9. Please accept my apology for being so insensitive. I know y'all worked hard and tried hard and we appreciate your service.
I hope that this time the judge gives jury instructions that are more thorough: so that they know if they have problems they can go directly to him. The only thing that could get in the way of a guilty verdict this time would be another pair of snakes in the grass IMO.

[kennedy06]

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Hey Jayne... Good to see ya. Been a long road.

I can't believe DW's gall at plopping himself down in the murder chair and assuming the "dead" position.

It's not "sacred" but good gawd man, have you no decency..??

As to the oaths taken... Ever see Officer Byrd administer the oath on Judge Judy..??

"Do you promise to tell the truth in this matter..?"

That's it.

If a Twit comes through...please inform and Link.

bearwds
.....Ready to retire my Sig Line after 2 years.....

I thought he took a big chance that he didn't break it!

[tartangirl]

If you are so inclined you could light a candle or two for Lana while we wait for the main event to begin. :smile:


~ as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~





http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[Jayne]

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Hey Jayne... Good to see ya. Been a long road.

I can't believe DW's gall at plopping himself down in the murder chair and assuming the "dead" position.

It's not "sacred" but good gawd man, have you no decency..??

As to the oaths taken... Ever see Officer Byrd administer the oath on Judge Judy..??

"Do you promise to tell the truth in this matter..?"

That's it.

If a Twit comes through...please inform and Link.

bearwds
.....Ready to retire my Sig Line after 2 years.....

Indeed it has been a long time bearwds...and I've enjoyed "meeting" you and many other posters, for sure. I hope justice is indeed served this time. Ironically..when PS1 was "in session", I was able to watch almost every single moment of it, being unemployed and rehabilitating from an operation, and was totally mesmerized by the trial and amused with Marta and Politan. Then back to work during PS2. Ironically, now as PS2 is closing, I've been laid off - 2 weeks left - timing very bad in many ways, as I might have had the time to be there for the closings or perhaps the verdict, however, I do hope the jury doesn't take that long!

jmo

J

[penguin01]

******************************

Hey Jayne... Good to see ya. Been a long road.

I can't believe DW's gall at plopping himself down in the murder chair and assuming the "dead" position.

It's not "sacred" but good gawd man, have you no decency..??

As to the oaths taken... Ever see Officer Byrd administer the oath on Judge Judy..??

"Do you promise to tell the truth in this matter..?"

That's it.

If a Twit comes through...please inform and Link.

bearwds
.....Ready to retire my Sig Line after 2 years..... Did PS really have that bloody chair still sitting in his home right where Lana died in it? Or did they just trot it out and place it for the jury visit? Anyone know?

[bearwds]

sorry bearwds I can't find anything and I am searching...:sad:

****************************

Many thanx for your effort. With Linden's in-court tweet, it was almost like being there for the brief moment.

A pox on MSM.

Just past 9-am here on the coast. About 1/2 hour until usual court convening time.


bearwds

[Jayne]

Did PS really have that bloody chair still sitting in his home right where Lana died in it? Or did they just trot it out and place it for the jury visit? Anyone know?

It was in "evidence"..but it was "staged" at the Castle for the walk through..put back into the evidence "locker" then brought out for the trial, apparently. As I understand it. It was "evidence" so he wouldn't have been able to keep it, I'd think.

jmo

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[GPSpector]

Hi GPS, this is online coverage of InSession
http://www.blinkotv.com/

Thank you.

I saw TruTV listed but they are showing a Triple Homicide Trial. :sad:

[KatyDid]

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Many thanx for your effort. With Linden's in-court tweet, it was almost like being there for the brief moment.

A pox on MSM.

Just past 9-am here on the coast. About 1/2 hour until usual court convening time.


bearwds

Thank you for posting the time it court starts. I appreciate it. :smile:

[QueeeenBeeee]

hello everyone!

sorry to pop in at the last bit here....

but thought y'all would want to know that sprocket has a brief update from the hallway.............just posted

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

[penguin01]

I hope My2Cents gets in today.... and Michael Linder. Can't wait to start hearing from them. And bless Sprockett, of course. Whew - almost over.

[vonna]

Nowhere in that oath does it say one is bound to adhere to God's laws only in the court room. And there is a version of that oath that is given to witnesses who do not believe in God that leaves the last phrase out, it is still just as binding as the original. Your example does not fit the issue. Perhaps you have missed all the news articles of The Ten Commandments being removed from state & federal buildings including court houses because of seperation of state & Church. Again I state, it is not vengeance I want, it is justice under MAN'S laws. I want to see a man whom I believe to be guilty of a crime be punished for the crime I believe he committed.

Very well stated!!

[bearwds]

Did PS really have that bloody chair still sitting in his home right where Lana died in it? Or did they just trot it out and place it for the jury visit? Anyone know?

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Hey penguin... If memory serves, Spector had a duplicate chair made as he didn't want to break up a set. Bizarre.

The murder chair has been in evidence custody.

I guess if he is found "not guilty"..(no chance) ..it will be returned to him.

Wonder what he will do with it..?? Strange, but DW didn't seem to show much respect for it.


bearwds

[QueeeenBeeee]

Did PS really have that bloody chair still sitting in his home right where Lana died in it? Or did they just trot it out and place it for the jury visit? Anyone know?

hiya penguin my LRC buddy..............

don't know if this has been answered, i dropped out for a sec, but he had an EXACT replica of the chair made and yes, that copy is still in the foyer just where it was.

the bloody chair is evidence so resides downtown with the DA

[kennedy06]

hello everyone!

sorry to pop in at the last bit here....

but thought y'all would want to know that sprocket has a brief update from the hallway.............just posted

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Thank you, thanks to everyone that links for us.

[Ellie]

Hello and welcome, Dexter! You just gave me a heart attack! :laugh:


Phil Spector Guilty of Second Degree Murder in the Shooting Death of Lana Clarkson

A jury found Phil Spector guilty today in the murder of Lana Clarkson. Phil Spector was immediately taken into custody to await sentencing.

Its only a matter of time before the above headline above is correct. :thumbup:

The long wait is almost over. Justice for Lana at last.

[My 2 Cents]

CLOSING - Day 4, Thursday 3/26/09

IN COURT - SPECTOR NOT HEAR YET. ATTORNEYS HEAR TO RESOLVE SOME THINGS BEFORE JURY COMES IN.

1ST - "OFF THE RECORD"
WEINBERG "WHINES" - HE WASN'T TOLD THAT COURT WOULD CONTINUE PAST 4PM. HE DOESN'T KNOW IF HIS CLIENT HAD AN APPOINTMENT, ETC. IN A NUTSHELL: BASICALLY HE FELT "LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP"

FIDLER STATES A NOTE WAS PASTED TO COURT CLERK, AND THEN FIDLER - ASKING IF AJ COULD CARRY OVER A LITTLE BIT PAST 4PM.

JF APOLOGIZES FOR LEAVING WEINBERG OUT OF THE LOOP - THOUGHT HE KNEW. SORRY.

[KatyDid]

wow cameramen from CNN are there. I wonder if we'll see anything today.

I sure hope so. Is today only AJ's last 10 minutes, or is there more? Maybe CNN is there to wait out a hopefully quick verdict.

[KatyDid]

CLOSING - Day 4, Thursday 3/26/09

IN COURT - SPECTOR NOT HEAR YET. ATTORNEYS HEAR TO RESOLVE SOME THINGS BEFORE JURY COMES IN.

1ST - "OFF THE RECORD"
WEINBERG "WHINES" - HE WASN'T TOLD THAT COURT WOULD CONTINUE PAST 4PM. HE DOESN'T KNOW IF HIS CLIENT HAD AN APPOINTMENT, ETC. IN A NUTSHELL: BASICALLY HE FELT "LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP"

FIDLER STATES A NOTE WAS PASTED TO COURT CLERK, AND THEN FIDLER - ASKING IF AJ COULD CARRY OVER A LITTLE BIT PAST 4PM.

JF APOLOGIZES FOR LEAVING WEINBERG OUT OF THE LOOP - THOUGHT HE KNEW. SORRY.

:rolleyes: DW...wah....wah....wah....
he needs to get over it. why didn't he ask to speak to the judge yesterday when he saw it was going long?

[QueeeenBeeee]

CLOSING - Day 4, Thursday 3/26/09

IN COURT - SPECTOR NOT HEAR YET. ATTORNEYS HEAR TO RESOLVE SOME THINGS BEFORE JURY COMES IN.

1ST - "OFF THE RECORD"
WEINBERG "WHINES" - HE WASN'T TOLD THAT COURT WOULD CONTINUE PAST 4PM. HE DOESN'T KNOW IF HIS CLIENT HAD AN APPOINTMENT, ETC. IN A NUTSHELL: BASICALLY HE FELT "LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP"

FIDLER STATES A NOTE WAS PASTED TO COURT CLERK, AND THEN FIDLER - ASKING IF AJ COULD CARRY OVER A LITTLE BIT PAST 4PM.

JF APOLOGIZES FOR LEAVING WEINBERG OUT OF THE LOOP - THOUGHT HE KNEW. SORRY.

inside updates!!! thanks so much my2cents, you're my new bestest friend:wub:

wah to weinberg:tonguewag:

[KatyDid]

Linder on Twitter is going now

[oodi1]

CLOSING - Day 4, Thursday 3/26/09

IN COURT - SPECTOR NOT HEAR YET. ATTORNEYS HEAR TO RESOLVE SOME THINGS BEFORE JURY COMES IN.

1ST - "OFF THE RECORD"
WEINBERG "WHINES" - HE WASN'T TOLD THAT COURT WOULD CONTINUE PAST 4PM. HE DOESN'T KNOW IF HIS CLIENT HAD AN APPOINTMENT, ETC. IN A NUTSHELL: BASICALLY HE FELT "LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP"

FIDLER STATES A NOTE WAS PASTED TO COURT CLERK, AND THEN FIDLER - ASKING IF AJ COULD CARRY OVER A LITTLE BIT PAST 4PM.

JF APOLOGIZES FOR LEAVING WEINBERG OUT OF THE LOOP - THOUGHT HE KNEW. SORRY.


Oh Please!!! Who did Weinberg inform that he was going to filibuster???????

[bearwds]

I sure hope so. Is today only AJ's last 10 minutes, or is there more? Maybe CNN is there to wait out a hopefully quick verdict.

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Hope there are specific deputies to watch Spector's hands as verdict is read. Dominic Dunn's writings on my mind.


bearwds

[QueeeenBeeee]

michaellinder Good morning from Criminal Courts in Los Angeles. Final prosecution arguments about to begin at Phil Spector's murder trial.

thank you soooo much tutie and katie! love the inside scoop!!:thumbsup:

[KatyDid]

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Hope there are specific deputies to watch Spector's hands as verdict is read. Dominic Dunn's writings on my mind.


bearwds

Good point!!! I forgot about that.

[logbump]

http://twitter.com/michaellinder

[QueeeenBeeee]

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Hope there are specific deputies to watch Spector's hands as verdict is read. Dominic Dunn's writings on my mind.


bearwds

all hail dominic dunne.......one of my favorites

and yes, i've thought that too bearwds...........nice to meet you btw.........love your posts

[QueeeenBeeee]

wonder if AJ added "don't go"...............added about 15 minutes from yesterday's estimate of 10 minutes....

oh what i wouldn't give to be there:sad:

he's amazing imo

[Curlyjo]

CLOSING - Day 4, Thursday 3/26/09

IN COURT - SPECTOR NOT HEAR YET. ATTORNEYS HEAR TO RESOLVE SOME THINGS BEFORE JURY COMES IN.

1ST - "OFF THE RECORD"
WEINBERG "WHINES" - HE WASN'T TOLD THAT COURT WOULD CONTINUE PAST 4PM. HE DOESN'T KNOW IF HIS CLIENT HAD AN APPOINTMENT, ETC. IN A NUTSHELL: BASICALLY HE FELT "LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP"

FIDLER STATES A NOTE WAS PASTED TO COURT CLERK, AND THEN FIDLER - ASKING IF AJ COULD CARRY OVER A LITTLE BIT PAST 4PM.

JF APOLOGIZES FOR LEAVING WEINBERG OUT OF THE LOOP - THOUGHT HE KNEW. SORRY.

Please....does he need some cheese to go with that whine? It is hard for me hear a grown man act like a baby.:cursing:

[My 2 Cents]

"back on the record"

weinberg complaining about the wording of something on the jury instructions. I missed what he said. But fidler replied:

"if you took it out of context then it might appear so. We have discussed this in great detail before this and i totally disagree with your argument. " (something very similar to those words.) - - - denied.

The jury arrives . . . Attorneys stop talking and rise. And they are walked through courtroom into the back jury room (they wait there til called).

Back on record . . .

I'm bad at this - i am missing too much - im a horrible typist.

Truc argued about some wording that weinberg wants to include in the jury instructions. Weinberg argues why it should be used.

Jf: I couldn't disagree with you more.

Weinberg argues more

"if you want it as it is written, then i deny it" " "i'm not going to argue with you." "if you want to rewrite it you certainly can."

[oodi1]

I hope my computer doesn't wear out today with all the "refreshing." I gotta keep up with the tweets and the PGA Tour... have to root for Tiger Woods today, as well as AJ!!!!!!

[KatyDid]

"back on the record"

weinberg complaining about the wording of something on the jury instructions. I missed what he said. But fidler replied:

"if you took it out of context then it might appear so. We have discussed this in great detail before this and i totally disagree with your argument. " (something very similar to those words.) - - - denied.

The jury arrives . . . Attorneys stop talking and rise. And they are walked through courtroom into the back jury room (they wait there til called).

Back on record . . .

I'm bad at this - i am missing too much - im a horrible typist.

Truc argued about some wording that weinberg wants to include in the jury instructions. Weinberg argues why it should be used.

Jf: I couldn't disagree with you more.

Weinberg argues more

"if you want it as it is written, then i deny it" " "i'm not going to argue with you." "if you want to rewrite it you certainly can."

You are doing a fantastic job and we SOOOOOOOOOOO appreciate it!!! :wub:

[My 2 Cents]

Jury Brought in . .
AJ says he will take about 1/2 hour

i will post later - need to listen to this.

AJ talking about baseball, the great depression and Joe Di Maggio.

. . . I hope this ENDS with a HOMERUN!

[oodi1]

"back on the record"

weinberg complaining about the wording of something on the jury instructions. I missed what he said. But fidler replied:

"if you took it out of context then it might appear so. We have discussed this in great detail before this and i totally disagree with your argument. " (something very similar to those words.) - - - denied.

The jury arrives . . . Attorneys stop talking and rise. And they are walked through courtroom into the back jury room (they wait there til called).

Back on record . . .

I'm bad at this - i am missing too much - im a horrible typist.

Truc argued about some wording that weinberg wants to include in the jury instructions. Weinberg argues why it should be used.

Jf: I couldn't disagree with you more.

Weinberg argues more

"if you want it as it is written, then i deny it" " "i'm not going to argue with you." "if you want to rewrite it you certainly can."

Don't worry about the typing M2C! We love the updates!

[Ellie]

Wow Jayne and the rest of you guys come up with some good ideas.

I feel sort of nervous as the poster above posted said they were. I feel bad Phil S had it all and look at what has become of him :unsure: Lana had so much more than most women could ever dream of having and what a wonderful future she may have had. ♥

:rose:

Sweetie, you just described how I'm feeling too... I feel bad for PS and his family, he had the world on a string and could have been remembered as the genius he was... but instead he let the evils take control and look where he is now.

But I feel far, far worse for Lana, for her mother and family, and for her friends. Their life is and will be missing something, someone, for all of their days to come. I can only hope that the memory of Lana is enough to get them through and that they think of her with a smile and not sadness. She seemed like a wonderfully kind and generous person.

[Curlyjo]

Don't worry about the typing M2C! We love the updates!

I agree:thumbsup:

[oodi1]

my mom just called and told me five minutes will seem like five hours today with us not being able to watch this unfold .:cursing:

Your mom is right about that!!! I'm multitasking, trying to clean fish tanks, as well as run back and forth to the computer to hit refresh buttons! I think I'll be burning a few calories off today!!! :thumbsup:

[KatyDid]

Jury Brought in . .
AJ says he will take about 1/2 hour

i will post later - need to listen to this.

AJ talking about baseball, the great depression and Joe Di Maggio.

. . . I hope this ENDS with a HOMERUN!

WOOHOO!!! me too about the home run!!