Monday 3/23 Hope for Haleigh

[beachpatty]

Another week, continued Hope for Haleigh :wub:

Beachpatty

[beachpatty]

Another week, continued Hope for Haleigh :wub:

Beachpatty



Sorry for the typo in todays title, you can't edit the title, I tried. I better make some fresh coffee huh?

Maybe this week, maybe today, please God ?


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[aproudmom]

Sorry for the typo in todays title, you can't edit the title, I tried. I better make some fresh coffee huh?

Maybe this week, maybe today, please God ?


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

Thanks Beachpatty for the new thread

[MoonFlwr]

Sorry for the typo in todays title, you can't edit the title, I tried. I better make some fresh coffee huh?

Maybe this week, maybe today, please God ?


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

Hardly noticeable, Patty!

Thanks for the new thread. :) Good ta 'see ya'!

I am behind....have been trying to catch up on all the allegations coming from Crystal and her mother about Ron. :scared:

[Anastasia]

I am praying for that beautiful little girl, I so hope they find her alive and well! :sad:

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Praying for a miracle and hoping something breaks in this case this week. It's so difficult to understand how a little 5 year old can disappear without a trace but sadly, as in Trenton Duckett's case, we know that happens. I'm sure there are many others too. :sad:

[aproudmom]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-22/story/haleighs_moms_family_says_thanks_with_cookout_for_ helpers

I think this was very sweet that the family did this

Many at the cookout early Sunday afternoon were veterans of the search for Haleigh, who vanished Feb. 10 from a mobile home where she was asleep in a room with her father’s then-girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Ronald Cummings has since married the 17-year-old.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-22/story/haleighs_moms_family_says_thanks_with_cookout_for_ helpers

[aproudmom]

Good Morning,

Praying for a miracle and hoping something breaks in this case this week. It's so difficult to understand how a little 5 year old can disappear without a trace but sadly, as in Trenton Duckett's case, we know that happens. I'm sure there are many others too. :sad:

Hi n/t I agree it is over a month with out Haleigh I can not imagine what the family is going through the not knowing day after day

Hope 4 Haleigh:rose:

[aproudmom]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds

Donations of purple paint - a favorite color of Haleigh's - rent money and sparse furnishings were used to turn the building along the two-lane stretch of U.S. 17 into an information center about the case. Opened this week, it will be manned by Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, and her supporters.

In nearby Crescent City, a bank account fueled by donations has paid a vehicle insurance bill, a water payment and a power bill for Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings. Cummings, who has said he is unable to return to the blue mobile home where Haleigh vanished, is living at his grandmother's in Welaka with his new wife and 4-year-old son.

[Texas48]

Sorry for the typo in todays title, you can't edit the title, I tried. I better make some fresh coffee huh?

Maybe this week, maybe today, please God ?


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
BeachpattyGood morning Patty. I am only on my first cup..so..you did a typo? That is my speciallty...lol..TY for the thread as always. HOW MANY days has it been now patty? Gona have to start a day count which is sad..its been so long patty. You keep helping us to have hope.:wub:

[aproudmom]

Good morning Patty. I am only on my first cup..so..you did a typo? That is my speciallty...lol..TY for the thread as always. HOW MANY days has it been now patty? Gona have to start a day count which is sad..its been so long patty. You keep helping us to have hope.:wub:

As the mystery surrounding the disappearance of the still-missing 5-year-old moves further into its second month:sad:
I think the 9th will be 2 months

[n/t]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds

Donations of purple paint - a favorite color of Haleigh's - rent money and sparse furnishings were used to turn the building along the two-lane stretch of U.S. 17 into an information center about the case. Opened this week, it will be manned by Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, and her supporters.

In nearby Crescent City, a bank account fueled by donations has paid a vehicle insurance bill, a water payment and a power bill for Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings. Cummings, who has said he is unable to return to the blue mobile home where Haleigh vanished, is living at his grandmother's in Welaka with his new wife and 4-year-old son.

Whaaaaat? Donations are being used to pay Ronald's bills? :confused:

[Texas48]

Hardly noticeable, Patty!

Thanks for the new thread. :) Good ta 'see ya'!

I am behind....have been trying to catch up on all the allegations coming from Crystal and her mother about Ron. :scared:Morning Moonie..I am ALWAYS trying to catch up and just further behind no matter how fast I run....lol...Have to go back and read last nights post as I just can't "function" that late.lol...I am going to see if ANY details about the FAIR adventure are available...Waiting on Sw for ALL NEW INFO..She has me very spoiled/she most likely has many spoiled..:wub:for ALL

[Texas48]

I am praying for that beautiful little girl, I so hope they find her alive and well! :sad:Good morning Ana...Yes it is sad and its been so long now but we ALL continue to pray and hope..Hope today there will GOOD news.:thumbsup:

[Texas48]

Good Morning,

Praying for a miracle and hoping something breaks in this case this week. It's so difficult to understand how a little 5 year old can disappear without a trace but sadly, as in Trenton Duckett's case, we know that happens. I'm sure there are many others too. :sad:Good morning n/t..we DO KNOW the children VANISH w/o a trace and Yes we have seen it in the past. Only gets sadder each time as I just cannot understand/comprehend how this is possible. We know there is SOMEONE responsible in each case but this case comes to us w/very little. Then we end up w/puzzles pieces that we can't fit into the puzzle. Heart breaking in deed. jmo

[Texas48]

:ohmy:http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds

Donations of purple paint - a favorite color of Haleigh's - rent money and sparse furnishings were used to turn the building along the two-lane stretch of U.S. 17 into an information center about the case. Opened this week, it will be manned by Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, and her supporters.

In nearby Crescent City, a bank account fueled by donations has paid a vehicle insurance bill, a water payment and a power bill for Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings. Cummings, who has said he is unable to return to the blue mobile home where Haleigh vanished, is living at his grandmother's in Welaka with his new wife and 4-year-old son.TY for link. Interesting read and comments. Makes one wounder..ummm.

[Texas48]

Hi n/t I agree it is over a month with out Haleigh I can not imagine what the family is going through the not knowing day after day

Hope 4 Haleigh:rose:I TRY NOT to imagine ME in this situation. I don't think I would be strong enough. Its just too hard for anyone loosing a child.

[aproudmom]

I am not sure how far the water is and if there is a road going so far looks like alot of dead ends but as I look at all this water around there it scares me I still feel they should have looked for Haleigh longer.
does anyone know the address of the SIL were the van was is it close?
I am sure alot have looked at the map before but we talked alot about the van and water last night so got me thinking and could not go to bed until I looked at it myself. There is a huge body of water around there.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Green+Ln,+FL+32189&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.27343,92.8125&ie=UTF8&ll=29.572748,-81.676821&spn=0.002706,0.007703&t=h&z=18

[TobyWong]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-22/story/haleighs_moms_family_says_thanks_with_cookout_for_ helpers

No No IMO her lawyer told her to say thank you. IMO they are now in "look at me " mode, "im good' see I think of others"

Where is Heleigh?????? I would not be painting or cooking or getting married until I knew where my childs body was located. Its gotta be hard to not know where to look but i would scour my own grid pattern, these people are waiting for a 5 yr old to walk herself home. URGGGG
When misty started right off the bat, talking about Haleighs 8 pm school night bed time. it sounded so rehearsed. Just as ron keeps saying "i was at work" & the whole "proper" way to spank. They (ron) have been told that a child needs to have sleep and be in bed at a repectable time in order to get required hours of sleep. That and I keep thinking misty did'nt want to say they were all sleeping in the same bed cause someone(dcf?) told them that it is not acceptable for children over 4 sleep in the same bed as adults. IDK JMO
I pray today is the day Haleigh comes home. Peace be w/ us all!

[Texas48]

As the mystery surrounding the disappearance of the still-missing 5-year-old moves further into its second month:sad:
I think the 9th will be 2 monthsOH MY..It is so long. Makes my heart hurt..

[Texas48]

Whaaaaat? Donations are being used to pay Ronald's bills? :confused:
That was my first reaction n/t...Is this what ALL donatios are usually used for? I Have donated many times and never thought about it...till NOW..I would think family members would be willing to help w/bills and food. Thats what assuming gets you. :confused:

[playnice]

George and Cindy havent worked for almost a year.
The money for living expenses come from somewhere.

[Texas48]

:confused:Good morning everyone...
Just finished last nights thread and have a question.

Someone mentioned Misty wanting to see the kids that weekend but Ron said no because Haleigh had missed too much school...I think the poster meant Crystal.
Assuming that, have we found out that Crystal did want to see the kids that weekend but Ron wouldn't let her? Morning Pia..I read through many post from last night and I missed that one. Why would Haleigh Miss school if Crystal had the kids for a weekend? Crystal would returns them on Sunday at 6p.I'm :confused:will try and read more of last nights post.

[Mel]

That was my first reaction n/t...Is this what ALL donatios are usually used for? I Have donated many times and never thought about it...till NOW..I would think family members would be willing to help w/bills and food. Thats what assuming gets you. :confused:

i always thought donations went to help make posters/fliers, feed volunteer searchers, etc...i read the other day there's less than $5,000 in the fund for Cummings..i would guess there's not too many people donating, after the big wedding

[Mel]

George and Cindy havent worked for almost a year.
The money for living expenses come from somewhere.

you make a good point..

[aproudmom]

I am not sure how far the water is and if there is a road going so far looks like alot of dead ends but as I look at all this water around there it scares me I still feel they should have looked for Haleigh longer.
does anyone know the address of the SIL were the van was is it close?
I am sure alot have looked at the map before but we talked alot about the van and water last night so got me thinking and could not go to bed until I looked at it myself. There is a huge body of water around there.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Green+Ln,+FL+32189&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.27343,92.8125&ie=UTF8&ll=29.572748,-81.676821&spn=0.002706,0.007703&t=h&z=18

sorry to quote myself lac of sleep
Never mind I found it Croslin, Tommy, brother of Misty, DOB Sept 26, 1986, drywall laborer, & wife Lindsey-3 sons, lives at 116 Tyler Rd, Satsuma (one block over from Cummings home.) even closer to the water if this is the SIL who had the van

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=116+Tyler+Rd,+Satsuma&sll=29.573163,-81.67452&sspn=0.001964,0.002371&ie=UTF8&ll=29.575491,-81.676247&spn=0.007857,0.009484&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr

[Texas48]

No No IMO her lawyer told her to say thank you. IMO they are now in "look at me " mode, "im good' see I think of others"

Where is Heleigh?????? I would not be painting or cooking or getting married until I knew where my childs body was located. Its gotta be hard to not know where to look but i would scour my own grid pattern, these people are waiting for a 5 yr old to walk herself home. URGGGG
When misty started right off the bat, talking about Haleighs 8 pm school night bed time. it sounded so rehearsed. Just as ron keeps saying "i was at work" & the whole "proper" way to spank. They (ron) have been told that a child needs to have sleep and be in bed at a repectable time in order to get required hours of sleep. That and I keep thinking misty did'nt want to say they were all sleeping in the same bed cause someone(dcf?) told them that it is not acceptable for children over 4 sleep in the same bed as adults. IDK JMO
I pray today is the day Haleigh comes home. Peace be w/ us all!Very much like you Toby I would be walking/searching every inch and I would NOT STOP. You very well may be right about DCF..bedtimes and all..I had not thought about that. I was put off by Ron's little speach about "correct way to spank." ummmm. good points.:thumbsup:

[aproudmom]

Whaaaaat? Donations are being used to pay Ronald's bills? :confused:

yep they are I just posted the link dont think it is right jmo though

[Texas48]

George and Cindy havent worked for almost a year.
The money for living expenses come from somewhere.Morning to you. Well..you are right..I just had not thought about it in this case but last night I did ask if Ron had returned to work if anyone had heard but did not get an answer. Yea..Cindy/George seem to be making out OK. OH MY..what a mess.:confused:

[Mel]

Morning to you. Well..you are right..I just had not thought about it in this case but last night I did ask if Ron had returned to work if anyone had heard but did not get an answer. Yea..Cindy/George seem to be making out OK. OH MY..what a mess.:confused:

someone here posted a week or two ago, they called his place of employment, & were told he no longer worked there...i have no idea if this is true though

[aproudmom]

Very much like you Toby I would be walking/searching every inch and I would NOT STOP. You very well may be right about DCF..bedtimes and all..I had not thought about that. I was put off by Ron's little speach about "correct way to spank." ummmm. good points.:thumbsup:

I would never give up I would be standing in the middle of the road I would beg people to come search. I do think it was nice to do the cookout I think crystal does feel like she is doing something I am not pro crystal or pro RC but I think she needs this to feel she is close I guess I am just thinking like a mom I dont know what all they are doing but I will give them a thumbs-up for the thank you. jmo
I got to thinking last night and wondered if crystal is seeing she has not been there for her kids and now one has been taken away by someone. I dont know what to think other than if they can get her face out there go for it paint evey building in town purple.

[Texas48]

Good morning all, I can see there were no new developments over the weekend as far as being any closer to finding Haleigh.

I hope and pray that today will be the day this breaks wide open, it has been what 6 weeks now? Something has got to give.

I am not going to comment on Ron (or Crystal, for that matter) using donations to pay bills, donations are donations given with no strings attached. You might not do and and I might not do it, but we are not them. I would feel a whole lot better about donations being used to pay bills if the recipients of the donations were actively looking for this little girl every day, but it is what it is.

Hope for Haleigh......You pretty much summed it up....IT IS WHAT IT IS. I never thought about where/what donations I have given went for. I ..like you assumed $$$$ went for same as you. Goes to show you..

[aproudmom]

someone here posted a week or two ago, they called his place of employment, & were told he no longer worked there...i have no idea if this is true though

yeah someone did but I also saw it on a link he was not working and crystal wasn't either to tired to search for a link or give you the person that called his work.

[odyssey]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds

Donations of purple paint - a favorite color of Haleigh's - rent money and sparse furnishings were used to turn the building along the two-lane stretch of U.S. 17 into an information center about the case. Opened this week, it will be manned by Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, and her supporters.

In nearby Crescent City, a bank account fueled by donations has paid a vehicle insurance bill, a water payment and a power bill for Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings. Cummings, who has said he is unable to return to the blue mobile home where Haleigh vanished, is living at his grandmother's in Welaka with his new wife and 4-year-old son.

Thank you. I read this article the other day and read how the account was set up and what has to be done to receive any money. I have tears in my eyes right now though because I can only imagine the meanspirited things that are going to be said because of it.

jmoo

[playnice]

Morning to you. Well..you are right..I just had not thought about it in this case but last night I did ask if Ron had returned to work if anyone had heard but did not get an answer. Yea..Cindy/George seem to be making out OK. OH MY..what a mess.:confused:

Sadly there is money from missing children. Look at how many never return to work.
You have those that just sit on their butt & live off donations, picture and video sales, set up stupid foundations etc. Then you actually have those that do go out and make a difference like Mark Lundford, Mark Klass etc.
People donating dont know if the person is going to do good with a horrible situation and donate out of the goodness of their heart and God will bless them.

[aproudmom]

Read the comments!

I think Ron wants to split. They are searching his path from the trailer to his work - over 100 LE on the ground.

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=is+ron+cummings+still+working&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcrimesearchersonline.com%2Findex.ph p%3Foption%3Dcom_myblog%26show%3Dsave-562.html%26Itemid%3D60

momofamarine
were is the comments? am I missing them

[Texas48]

Here is a page of videos if anyone is interested.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspxTY mom..read through some of the comments as well. Interesting to read what others are saying/thinking.

[Peaches]

The money being collected for HaLeigh Bug House is so that Crystal has a place to stay while she is waiting for HaLeigh to be found is what I understand.............also, tips can be left there (but there is already a tip line available.)

On the web-site for HaLeigh Bug before it was taken down, we saw that donations were being asked for in order to pay for Crystal's rent/food/clothes for both her children and herself.

Saying that, I see no reason money donated to Ron can not be used for his water bill, his insurance on his truck/etc. That is what it was donated for.............so that everyday life could go on.

I do not see why Crystal's site is asking for clothes for Ron, Jr. when she does not have custody of him...............nor of her daughter because this child has a father who in my opinion should be supporting him.

I do not understand all the bashing.

Maybe today will be the day and HaLeigh will be found.........

[odyssey]

Gee, maybe he'll be able to get another tat. I hope that the kind hearted people who are making these donations, with their hard earned money, realize what the money is being used for. :mad:

Yes, the press conference where this was set up stated what the funds were for and this is exactly in line with why it was set up by Mr. Watts. Those particular donations were being sent for a relief fund for Ronald and his son while he was not working while Haleigh was missing.

There are other donation places, such as crime stoppers if you would like to donate to reward money. And another place if you want to help Crystal with her bills.

Just fyi .. Amber Dubois's parents were both working up until the day their daughter became missing and neither of them have returned to work either.

jmoo

[odyssey]

Below is the quote I am talking about....anyone know if this is what happened? Somehow I thought she used Misty instead of Crystal...sorry for the confusion....

I don't THINK it was that weekend but a previous weekend. I am certain if someone has a LINK I'll be corrected.

[aproudmom]

Thank you. I read this article the other day and read how the account was set up and what has to be done to receive any money. I have tears in my eyes right now though because I can only imagine the meanspirited things that are going to be said because of it.

jmoo

I am just going to look at it as a mother I think the cook out was nice if RC did it I would say the same. I dont care to much about people donating cause it is their money not mine. I dont see them getting tons of money Haleighs case is going on 2 months that is a very small town and all these media shows are about done with her case:sad: jmo

[Texas48]

I guess the bills being paid wouldn't bother me if I didn't know about the wedding and such but if you think about it, regardless of his bad timing of it, the bills do need to be paid since he hasn't gone back to work yet. It really isn't any different though than Crystal asking for donations to support her and the other baby....
Your right Pia...And many posters came down really hard on Crystal. IMO donations are just that..donations. One does not designate what $$is to be used for. I just was under impression as another poster....flyers/food for those searching and water and ANYTHING to do w/searching or reward. Quess it does not matter as it is for family..jmo

[odyssey]

I am not sure how far the water is and if there is a road going so far looks like alot of dead ends but as I look at all this water around there it scares me I still feel they should have looked for Haleigh longer.
does anyone know the address of the SIL were the van was is it close?
I am sure alot have looked at the map before but we talked alot about the van and water last night so got me thinking and could not go to bed until I looked at it myself. There is a huge body of water around there.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Green+Ln,+FL+32189&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.27343,92.8125&ie=UTF8&ll=29.572748,-81.676821&spn=0.002706,0.007703&t=h&z=18

I agree with you about the searches. I know I have read that Tim said "she isn't out there" but I would love to pick his brain about where he thinks she IS. MrLucky last night said that by WATER that huge Ocala National Forest is only like two miles from that mobile home.

jmoo

[Texas48]

I would never give up I would be standing in the middle of the road I would beg people to come search. I do think it was nice to do the cookout I think crystal does feel like she is doing something I am not pro crystal or pro RC but I think she needs this to feel she is close I guess I am just thinking like a mom I dont know what all they are doing but I will give them a thumbs-up for the thank you. jmo
I got to thinking last night and wondered if crystal is seeing she has not been there for her kids and now one has been taken away by someone. I dont know what to think other than if they can get her face out there go for it paint evey building in town purple.Good post. I would guess there would be alot of guilt on all regarding this child. did I do enough...what did I do...what could I have done..on and on. I also think it was nice of the THANK YOU. :thumbup:

[aproudmom]

Ok try this: Hope it works!


http://www.ask.com/bar?q=I+think+Ron+wants+to+split.+They+are+searchi ng+his+path+from+the+trailer+to+his+work+-+over+100+LE+on+the+ground.+&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcrimesearchersonline.com%2Findex.ph p%3Foption%3Dcom_myblog%26show%3Dsave-562.html%26Itemid%3D60

OK not sure if I saw the right one but it says he might have left?
here is another link for comments dont know if COBRA has left or not so may just be a rumor
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4718.1520

[aproudmom]

Good post. I would guess there would be alot of guilt on all regarding this child. did I do enough...what did I do...what could I have done..on and on. I also think it was nice of the THANK YOU. :thumbup:

Thanks lol
now I dont think crystal put her kids first I know she was young but I am sure now she is seeing what she has missed and that she may never see that baby again and now with this custody thing it is going to get dirty. very dirty if you ask me.:sad:

[Peaches]

Good post. I would guess there would be alot of guilt on all regarding this child. did I do enough...what did I do...what could I have done..on and on. I also think it was nice of the THANK YOU. :thumbup:


Texas48, I agree with all you have stated here.:thumbsup:

[Peaches]

My concern is ronald cummings and the money going to him. Specifically for tattoos and now, apparently you are saying that the "relief" money is there for him to use for paying living expenses, guess that includes supporting his new child bride. imo.

I would urge anyone giving money for ronald cumming's support to think long and hard before they do so.

IMO, the existence of a huge scam here are very possible.


I am not following you................are you saying?

It is okay for people to send money for Crystal and her child by another man money to help support their everyday life...........but not for Ron and Ron, Jr?

To me this is just wrong...............

BTW...........just saying, I feel certain that Ron would prefer to work and have his daughter than be home hurting.............letting good people help pay a few bills.

Again.............this is just me saying

[Mel]

Bold is mine....Is that a comment from the article? Was this "search" the one made around the wedding day?

yes, it looks that way, from what i read..

[odyssey]

Read the comments!

I think Ron wants to split. They are searching his path from the trailer to his work - over 100 LE on the ground.

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=is+ron+cummings+still+working&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcrimesearchersonline.com%2Findex.ph p%3Foption%3Dcom_myblog%26show%3Dsave-562.html%26Itemid%3D60

That comment was about the wedding then he went to New York .. would that what they meant by him splitting?
They DID search a section of road that day but from what I understand it is the only road that leads anywhere from there lol .. it did not LOOK like they were making a path to his job if that is what the poster was alleging.

They were searching a stretch of the road leading to Crescent City I BELIEVE, which is south of Satsuma. His job is North of Satsuma.

jmoo

[Mel]

I am not following you................are you saying?

It is okay for people to send money for Crystal and her child by another man money to help support their everyday life...........but not for Ron and Ron, Jr?

To me this is just wrong...............

BTW...........just saying, I feel certain that Ron would prefer to work and have his daughter than be home hurting.............letting good people help pay a few bills.

Again.............this is just me saying


Ron doesn't come across as hurting, imo..the faces he made (rolling his eyes, & smirks) during the NG interview didn't come across as a man that's "hurting"...getting married, going to a carnival (possibly) & getting tattoos don't show a man that's "hurting"..he's not even out actively searching for his daughter..

[IlliniFan]

When I first started watching the old Court TV, long before I joined to post on the boards. The site had a well moderated chat room. It was nice because lots of people gathered before verdicts were read, and they often had guest chats, etc.

Anyway, I first found the site watching the Dirk Grendier (sp) case.

I have looked, I guess the chat portion of the site no longer exists??

I did enjoy dropping in once in a while and especially during interesting cases...

[IlliniFan]

Sorry for the confusion! :sad:

I appreciate all of your links....

[odyssey]

EXACTLY!!:thumbsup: Thank goodness, someone got my point. lol
I know sometimes I come off as meaning something other than what it is I mean, and I intended to clarify last night when I saw the posts but the baby started crying, and I thought it best to put him to bed...blah, blah.

Anyway, by the time I got back, I was ready for bed.

Thanks for getting what I was trying to say.

I understand what you are saying. I made some points the other night about why I do not think Ronald was involved with points like that, saying he could have said the door was left unlocked instead of making sure to lock it, and that someone could have gotten a key instead of saying no one had keys because he did not want anything like this to happen .. some other things like that

jmoo

[odyssey]

Well why in the sam hill would he leave so abruptly? I thought he was there to see this thing thru to the end? That's disturbing and I hope we can confirm it one way or the other soon.

I'm not gonna touch the story about the fair.

In a later article it claimed he was being paid by an anonymous benefactor and he would stay until his money ran out. Then the radio interview came along with all he alleged and since then I have not seen anything about him but I do not know if he has left or not. If he has perhaps the money ran out?

jmoo

[aproudmom]

I am seeing alot of blogs that COBRA has left I tried to find something and this is all i have found so far. this is dated 3/22 and has a video of the last vigil I am guessing.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=295

Investigators have five weeks working on this, I've had one week and I've caught up...now I have to connect all the dots," says Cobra.

Cobra visited the home of an accused sex offender Friday, and earlier in the week he asked Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin Cummings to re-enact the night Haleigh disappeared

[odyssey]

Oh sure and this forum is for opinions, I gave mine and you gave yours.

I would never give money to people who have not been ruled out as suspects in the disappearance of their child, especially when LE has a problem with a timeline of the night in question, but that's just me.

LE does not have a problem with Ronald's timeline. And no one has been ruled out on any side inside or outside of these families.
It would be wonderful if a timeline from Mist could be nailed down so that LE could proceed from there.

jmoo

[odyssey]

I have thought something was very wrong from the night we heard ronald's responses on the 911 tape. I cannot imagine why he didn't fly out the side door that supposedly was "wide open" and run down into the woods looking for Haleigh and screaming out her name. That was and remains very suspicious to me.

And if he had those who don't like this man they do not know would have said he was trying to dispose of or cover up evidence. There is really nothing at all this man, or really any person, can do when people are dead set on convicting him with no evidence.

jmoo

[aproudmom]

Well why in the sam hill would he leave so abruptly? I thought he was there to see this thing thru to the end? That's disturbing and I hope we can confirm it one way or the other soon.

I'm not gonna touch the story about the fair.

LOL not me either I saw that also and thought ok I am not even going there. here is all I can find about COBRA there is a video also

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=295

[Pat]

I've only dropped in the last couple of days to see if there was any official updates from LE.

I did see the link for Cobra's radio interview, and saw later it had been pulled from the radio website. Was there ever a reason given?

If he has left the area and is off this case, could what he said in that interview be the reason why?

[IlliniFan]

I did not say LE had a problem with ronald's timeline. The fact still remains that LE has not ruled ronald out as a suspect or person of interest as far as I know and that is disturbing. imo.

Or anyone, for that matter. Perhaps the AC has been cleared. imo

LE's mantra has been and still is as far as I know, "everyone's a suspect."

[Mimi428]

In ronald's recent appearance on the Nancy Grace show, he told her he was turning the house upside down looking for Haleigh while misty initated the 911 call at his direction. I have always wondered if LE found evidence of this when they responded that night..

I've wondered about that, too. But if you believe some of the comments from the local websites, he may have been rummaging through the house for other reasons.

I think part of what raises the hair on the neck for me is that Ron exudes defiance more than he does of being alarmed, scared or stressed.

JMO

[IlliniFan]

I guess thats how I want this to turn up, I am not hoping for skeletal remains to be found in a garbage bag, or her to be found when shes 15 living in a pedos basement, so yeah, I hope someone is pulling a scam that beats the alternatives.

I know what you're saying. Sadly, a positive outcome for Haleigh becomes more grim as times goes on..

[CC I See]

Gee, maybe he'll be able to get another tat. I hope that the kind hearted people who are making these donations, with their hard earned money, realize what the money is being used for. :mad: Like another well known family, they have to pay the bills.

[aproudmom]

I agree with you about the searches. I know I have read that Tim said "she isn't out there" but I would love to pick his brain about where he thinks she IS. MrLucky last night said that by WATER that huge Ocala National Forest is only like two miles from that mobile home.

jmoo

Also her brother did live just a block over on tyler street I think and we dont know who took the van that night if someone actually did move it I guess it is Mistys SIL van or from this link that is what it says but I do remember it being stated that family drove it also.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134179&catid=295

According to Misty's mother, Lisa Croslin, her daughter-in-law noticed a scratch along the side of the van the night of day after Haleigh disappeared.

Investigators seized the vehicle.

Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said the technicians at the FDLE lab did not find any information on the van that is linked to the Haliegh Cummings' case.

[aproudmom]

ok guys I am out of here for awhile I have not been to bed my brain hurts..lol.Hope to get back on and see good news. thanks for all your wonderful post all night and this morning. I am praying today is the day.:seeya:

Hope 4 Haleigh

[IlliniFan]

Also her brother did live just a block over on tyler street I think and we dont know who took the van that night if someone actually did move it I guess it is Mistys SIL van or from this link that is what it says but I do remember it being stated that family drove it also.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134179&catid=295

According to Misty's mother, Lisa Croslin, her daughter-in-law noticed a scratch along the side of the van the night of day after Haleigh disappeared.

Investigators seized the vehicle.

Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said the technicians at the FDLE lab did not find any information on the van that is linked to the Haliegh Cummings' case.

The article about the van was misleading....I believe Chelsea Croslin had the van that night. She either lives in Crescent City or Daytona Beach. Her husband's myspace says Daytona, but maybe he hasn't updated the information

[GentleBreeze]

See, that's what gets me. I have listened to that 911 call over and over, and the pain in his voice is very apparent, makes me want to cry every time I hear it, but......it's what he says about why did you let my little girl get stole? that raised my hinkey meter from the very beginning. It's what made me think from the very beginning that he knew who took her and he thought he knew why. I can't get past that. The way he said that question to Misty....I know everyone ewads it differently, and that's the way I read it every time I hear it.

I don't think it reflects that he thinks Misty knows who took Haleigh but I certainly can understand his emotional anger wanting to lash out and blame the one who was there in the home at the time.

imo

[crymeariver2006]

See, that's what gets me. I have listened to that 911 call over and over, and the pain in his voice is very apparent, makes me want to cry every time I hear it, but......it's what he says about why did you let my little girl get stole? that raised my hinkey meter from the very beginning. It's what made me think from the very beginning that he knew who took her and he thought he knew why. I can't get past that. The way he said that question to Misty....I know everyone ewads it differently, and that's the way I read it every time I hear it.

Well, when you listen to the 911 call Ron is on the phone supposedly crying then abruptly changes his whole tone when he asks Misty how she let his daughter get "stole".

Listen to it.

It's as abrupt a change as when Misty is crying with the 911 operator and when the operator asks her for the numerical.

Very abrupt changes from both of them. Ron's crying with the 911 operator, but each time he is not on the phone, he's not crying in the background. When he gets back on the phone, he's crying.

Listen to it.

JMO

[bookie]

I guess the bills being paid wouldn't bother me if I didn't know about the wedding and such but if you think about it, regardless of his bad timing of it, the bills do need to be paid since he hasn't gone back to work yet. It really isn't any different though than Crystal asking for donations to support her and the other baby....


And Junior.


This is no different. A link was posted last week detailing how the bills are paid. They have to be approved by the person in charge of the fund.


Watts said any withdrawals from the account must be approved by him and be used for a specific bill and certain expenses. In the past week and a half, donations have trickled off, he said.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds

I can't get the link to open this morning but the entire article was copied and pasted in comment #16402 on this link.

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p793

[KatyDid]

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/

:scared: Oops, somebody upset Pat. Thank you for posting the article.

[CC I See]

Well, when you listen to the 911 call Ron is on the phone supposedly crying then abruptly changes his whole tone when he asks Misty how she let his daughter get "stole".

Listen to it.

It's as abrupt a change as when Misty is crying with the 911 operator and when the operator asks her for the numerical.

Very abrupt changes from both of them. Ron's crying with the 911 operator, but each time he is not on the phone, he's not crying in the background. When he gets back on the phone, he's crying.

Listen to it.
JMO I have listened to it and is it your opinion that it is a ploy of some kind? My initial reaction was that he knew who took his daughter and that it was in response to something Ron did and was not surprised that it happened. That is why I do think that he didn't go running outside looking for Haleigh since he knew she wasn't there. This may or may not be part of the accusation about Misty seeing another young man. As yet, there is no evidence that anyone other than Misty was at the home that night. Speculation, yes, but evidence no.... not that has been released.

[CANDYKISSES]

Personally, that is what I think HURT the donations. As I said it did for me, well I can't be the only one out there thinking the same thing.

I was also confused about the post last night, because I thought Crystal brought Haleigh home on Sunday's at 6:00 P.m.

Well, maybe I just need to read...that may have been answered by now..sorry if it has been.

MOO

It was every two weeks as I remember her addressing this during the first week IIRC. She mentioned the last time SHE spoke to her daughter was TWO WEEKS PRIOR.

JMO

[Texas48]

I agree with you, the overall emotion I get from ronald cummings is a barely controlled anger.

Even george anthony used his time to hand out tee shirts and fliers for his missing granddaughter. ronald cummings could be doing something like that, imo.Hey there Jo. Anger is also what I see in Ron and I don't know why. i see him begging and..not real sure what to call the emotion he puts forth while asking for Haleigh to be brought back..???IMO ALL could be doing alot w/their time. No one is working so they DO have the time. I was on early this am and read about the bills being paid from donations..I give $$$ and never think where it is going and thats OK. What was rather interesting is several days back when it was posted about $$ for Crystal all heck broke loose and now today w/$$ for Ron...it seems to be OK. I want to back and see which posters had comments about Crystal and now finding it OK for Ron and justifying it...but ya know what..its not worth my time. KWIM..jmo

[Texas48]

I am seeing alot of blogs that COBRA has left I tried to find something and this is all i have found so far. this is dated 3/22 and has a video of the last vigil I am guessing.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=295

Investigators have five weeks working on this, I've had one week and I've caught up...now I have to connect all the dots," says Cobra.

Cobra visited the home of an accused sex offender Friday, and earlier in the week he asked Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin Cummings to re-enact the night Haleigh disappearedI wounder what LE had to say about Cobra's comments? Love to have been fly on the wall. KWIM?

[bookie]

Hey there Jo. Anger is also what I see in Ron and I don't know why. i see him begging and..not real sure what to call the emotion he puts forth while asking for Haleigh to be brought back..???IMO ALL could be doing alot w/their time. No one is working so they DO have the time. I was on early this am and read about the bills being paid from donations..I give $$$ and never think where it is going and thats OK. What was rather interesting is several days back when it was posted about $$ for Crystal all heck broke loose and now today w/$$ for Ron...it seems to be OK. I want to back and see which posters had comments about Crystal and now finding it OK for Ron and justifying it...but ya know what..its not worth my time. KWIM..jmo


It's a 2 way street. Some of the ones who are so outraged about Ron's bills being paid were silent or accepting of the donation requests on the Haleighbug site.

[Former Juror]

I'm not going to go into details, but a member of my extended family is a missing person. Our family looked and looked and looked for months....literally everyday. In fields. In ditches. In abandoned farmhouses. In convenience stores. At the mall. In other towns. You name it, and it has been searched.

I would say, for the first year, there were no marriages. No celebrations. No fairs. No barbecues. No nothing, except for searches.

Yes, eventually, life does have to go on. BUT, not 6 weeks out, especially for the immediate family of a young child who is missing.

IMOOC

[Texas48]

And if he had those who don't like this man they do not know would have said he was trying to dispose of or cover up evidence. There is really nothing at all this man, or really any person, can do when people are dead set on convicting him with no evidence.

jmooWell..there is NO evidence that we KNOW of...jmo

[Texas48]

In ronald's recent appearance on the Nancy Grace show, he told her he was turning the house upside down looking for Haleigh while misty initated the 911 call at his direction. I have always wondered if LE found evidence of this when they responded that night..
I STILL wounder why LE pulled out the wall be water heater..as matter of fact there is alot I wounder about...most of all..Haleigh.

[Texas48]

I guess thats how I want this to turn up, I am not hoping for skeletal remains to be found in a garbage bag, or her to be found when shes 15 living in a pedos basement, so yeah, I hope someone is pulling a scam that beats the alternatives. I know what you are saying...

[n/t]

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/

WTG Pat!!! :thumbsup:

[crymeariver2006]

Just for the sake of discussion, since the camps seem to be so divided (and I mean blogger camps, not the families) if you took out the two extremes, and erased anyone in the family from being suspect, and erased the SO angle, the two extremes, what would you be left with?

She wandered off.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Snipped

IF you truly believe you HAVE SOMETHING that LE does not, why not call them as opposed to trying to incite a bunch of posters when you don't seem to even have the offenders list linked?

This is the kind of thing Pat Brown is talking about. Gossip and fodder don't do much to find Haleigh. IF YOU HONESTLY THINK THIS INFO has been overlooked BY LE, please call the tip line or maybe even the PURPLE HALEIGHBUG HEADQUARTERS as opposed to rumor mongering.

JMO:unsure:

[CC I See]

I don't think anyone is taking that scenario very seriously, do you? Not unless she was lured outside while Misty was knocked out and Haleigh thought that her Daddy had come home and she ran to meet him. Someone could have grabbed her there and then.... but it doesn't explain the propped open side door that leads into the laundry area.

[CC I See]

Almost 40 days missing. Alot of surrounding forrest. Alot of Surrounding water. Train tracks, At least an 8 hour window to hide or bury. I don't know if we will ever find Haleigh. Especially if one had access to digging equipment and land to work with.

[crymeariver2006]

Neither have they ruled out anybody else...Crystal, JimmyJoJimBob down the street...everyone is a suspect, no?

However they have made it a point to say that they are satisfied with Ronald's responses to questions and his full cooperation. That's more than is being said about any other person in this cast of characters...

jmo

They said Misty was cooperating too.

And then she walks out of a police interview.

And then they publically question her timeline, calling her "the key" to what happened to Haleigh.

Just sayin'......

[crymeariver2006]

Wow, another poster child for drug use. What IS is with these kids?

That was from 2006. Is there anything more recent than that?

And he ain't no kid. He's older than Ron.

:ohmy:

[odyssey]

I thought they were living with GGm donations must be paying her bills.

He would still have bills at the mobile home up until he moved his things out and/or turned off the water and/or electric etc.

[odyssey]

Yes he has expenses, tattoos, weddings, fairs,etc.

Have a nice day :seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Sorry, I was saying "kid" in reference to my age......they are all kids to me.

And that was some pretty heavy duty stuff, ecstacy and coke. Do you think they stop once they get busted? IMO they only get more careful, but I could be wrong and he had a come to jesus moment that turned his life around.

Yes, I do think they get more careful.

:wink:

[jakee]

Could someone explain to me the talk of "fairs"

I have tried to read the links, but I must be missing something. I am behind on the news again. sorry. :blushing:

[crymeariver2006]

He could very well have bills there for a good while to come if he signed a year's lease.

Mrs. Bard may very well let him out of any lease he signed due to the circumstances.

But then again, depending on the circumstances of Haleigh's disappearance, it might be hard to rent it to anyone else.

No donations that we know of have been used to pay rent, so maybe she is letting it slide because she knows him?

As far as we know, he has not moved any of the furniture out of there, has he?

[odyssey]

Could someone explain to me the talk of "fairs"

I have tried to read the links, but I must be missing something. I am behind on the news again. sorry. :blushing:

People made ... comments .. yesterday because there is a rumour (quite possibly true) that Ron and Misty were at the county fair with Junior.

[playnice]

I would be a total mess if something happened to one of my kids or grandkids.
We are getting a new baby today and Im a nervous wreck. Think Ill just leave work and go hang out at the hospital.
I cant imagine what these parents and grandparents go through.
My prayers are with all of them until Haleigh is found.

[jakee]

People made ... comments .. yesterday because there is a rumour (quite possibly true) that Ron and Misty were at the county fair with Junior.

Oh. Thank you very much for your reply. It is hard for me to keep lately.

[nana6]

Almost 40 days missing. Alot of surrounding forrest. Alot of Surrounding water. Train tracks, At least an 8 hour window to hide or bury.

I don't know if we will ever find Haleigh.

I mentioned yesterday that I wonder if something terrible happened to Haleigh during the daytime before Ron went to work. He then goes to work, stays there as usual, comes home and THEN reports her gone. He would have an alibi then. imo of course

[odyssey]

I mentioned yesterday that I wonder if something terrible happened to Haleigh during the daytime before Ron went to work. He then goes to work, stays there as usual, comes home and THEN reports her gone. He would have an alibi then. imo of course

Other people saw her after he went to work including (I THINK) a neighbor and the A/C man.

jmoo

[nana6]

Other people saw her after he went to work including (I THINK) a neighbor and the A/C man.

jmoo

Oh of course!!! I don;t know guys, my brain is fried from the Caylee and Haleigh cases I guess.

[odyssey]

forgot about that. So I wonder what details the AC man gave, were Misty's brother or cousin or whoever was visiting there when the AC man was?

Misty's brother was there and Ronald's grandmother was there but I did not want to use their statements because some posters believe family members aren't reliable.

The A/C man and the neighbor are "disinterested third parties" not likely to "cover" for Ronald.

jmoo

[nana6]

I am going to throw this out there to see if other people feel as though I do.
If your child goes missing...do you move away from where she went missing or do you move away because of something terrible that you know happened there?
tats, wedding and going to fairs is normal everyday life, seems as though they moved on pretty quick here. IMO

Oh I agree with you totally. There was a show on the other night about a family whose daughter was kidnapped while they were on vacation. They stayed right at the very spot where she was taken and stayed there for a full 6 weeks in hopes that she would return. That is what I would do too. I know I could not go home and back to life as usual. imo

[CANDYKISSES]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733516&IMG=50022

Is this booking photo supposed to be from the sex offender registry?

I see no allegations concerning a sexual offense. Hopefully you or blink:wink: can offer something showing the allegations and/or a conviction. TIA.

[nana6]

IMO...I agree with you. RC was very upset the first few days, but he could have been crying and upset about something he did or something that happened that he knew about. It seems like they have moved on, I cant say how I would act if it was my daughter, I can only assume that I would be devastated and not be able to function, I dont see myself going about life as normal, at least not for months.

People lose children everyday, And I have never seen anyone get over it as fast as RC has.

well once again I agree. I could never get on a plane to NEw York. Let them come to me IF I could even speak. No, something is wrong- actions do speak louder than words and let's remember R and M have not been ruled out. Why are they not offering to take another LD test so that LE can move forward and find this baby???

[odyssey]

I think I would stay until she is found. And I would do it for her, not matter how hard it was for me. Sometimes you gotta be the grownup and do something even if it's hard for you.

If you had no idea what happened in that home to one of your children would you make your other child live there and possibly put him at risk? What if jr does not want to live there anymore? It would be ANOTHER reminder every day of how you did not fully protect your child.
just an opinion

[CANDYKISSES]

Neither have they ruled out anybody else...Crystal, JimmyJoJimBob down the street...everyone is a suspect, no?

However they have made it a point to say that they are satisfied with Ronald's responses to questions and his full cooperation. That's more than is being said about any other person in this cast of characters...

jmo

ITA, but you must remember to overlook the idea he has kept them for several years now, apparently taken care of the healthcare needs, seems to genuine love his children and has been investigated before yielding no charges kind of like when Crystal falsely reported a felony and didn't tell the truth until the end....not saying Crystal is responsible for reporting allegations of abuse....just sayin' :rolleyes:

None of that will ever matter to anyone who supports a woman who put herself first and went on to start a new life with a new baby girl and hasn't met her obligations to the FIRST TWO children for quite some time now financially IMO. :unsure: Sad, just plain sad.

I don't think either parent will ever be on a poster for PARENT OF THE YEAR, but the Magistrate apparently took the lesser of two bad choices at the time IMOO.

[odyssey]

I agree...If it were me, I would take 2 Poly tests if need be, I would reenact 10 times and talk to them everyday if it would help find my child, I understand they say RC and M are cooperating but to me it doesnt seem like full cooperation.

According to police Ronald has fully cooperated and that means taking any polygraph that want him to take .. it's the timeline that is keeping people from being cleared .. because of that they cannot even narrow down WHAT the crime is.

jmoo

[teresa]

Thank you. I read this article the other day and read how the account was set up and what has to be done to receive any money. I have tears in my eyes right now though because I can only imagine the meanspirited things that are going to be said because of it.

jmoo

Hi odyssey...I read about it too. There are very strict rules regarding these accounts. It has received less than $5000 and I hardly think that's motive for getting rid of one's daughter. There have been three bills paid out of the money. It is certainly less tacky than the website we all saw that quickly vanished IMO.

[odyssey]

I can understand if RC doesnt want to live there, but a 4 year old has not much Idea what is going on, a house is a house.

my son is three months shy of his fourth birthday. A year and a half ago just after he turned two, his half sister went to live with her bio mom and to this DAY he still talks about things they did together and what toys are hers as opposed to his and where she was in this house when this event happened or that event happened so i would have to disagree with you.
If his sister had been taken or hurt here instead of being taken from us by his father, he would be very aware of it happening here and talk about it every day.
But .. maybe that's just my son and our experience.

jmoo

[Money Girl]

that sucks...there used to be 4 or 5 news articles a day on Haleigh..now when you google search then most recent is from 15 hours ago

Well, it is Monday, and news seems to shutdown in the U.S. on the weekend unless it is breaking news from AP.

[teresa]

My concern is ronald cummings and the money going to him. Specifically for tattoos and now, apparently you are saying that the "relief" money is there for him to use for paying living expenses, guess that includes supporting his new child bride. imo.

I would urge anyone giving money for ronald cumming's support to think long and hard before they do so.

IMO, the existence of a huge scam here are very possible.

Did you read the article and the very strict rules that govern these funds?

[Money Girl]

IMO, the anthony bunch have sold video and photos of their dead granddaughter to fund their living expenses, the people magazine spread and 20/20 show spring to mind. Appalling, imo.

I wonder how much money ronald made appearing on The Today Show?

Did Misty sell some photos? Seem to remember seeing some with (Courtesy of Misty Croslin) on them.

[uberwe]

See, now this is where LE worries me. Why are they not working off the timeline of 7:00 to 3:27...I do not understand that...can someone explain it to me?

I hate to ask, but it has been driving me crazy for weeks. What does IIRC mean?

MOO

Hi Horse64 -

I think IIRC means "If I recall correctly".

Uberwe

[CANDYKISSES]

Did Misty sell some photos? Seem to remember seeing some with (Courtesy of Misty Croslin) on them.

Courtesy is the key word IMO.

offered or provided free by courtesy of the management: While waiting to board the airplane, we were provided with courtesy coffee.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/courtesy

JMO tho.

[Money Girl]

I have thought something was very wrong from the night we heard ronald's responses on the 911 tape. I cannot imagine why he didn't fly out the side door that supposedly was "wide open" and run down into the woods looking for Haleigh and screaming out her name. That was and remains very suspicious to me.

The lack of outside searches by Ron and Misty have baffled me also.

[Money Girl]

In ronald's recent appearance on the Nancy Grace show, he told her he was turning the house upside down looking for Haleigh while misty initated the 911 call at his direction. I have always wondered if LE found evidence of this when they responded that night..

Previously, it was reported that Misty was turning the house upside down looking for Haleigh; that was the reason given for her delay in calling 911.

[Money Girl]

Courtesy is the key word IMO.

offered or provided free by courtesy of the management: While waiting to board the airplane, we were provided with courtesy coffee.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/courtesy

JMO tho.

Thank you, Candy.

[babblefishie]

I mentioned yesterday that I wonder if something terrible happened to Haleigh during the daytime before Ron went to work. He then goes to work, stays there as usual, comes home and THEN reports her gone. He would have an alibi then. imo of course

Hi there everyone

I totally agree with this -- something happened and he went to work after. I find it creepy that Misty was just washing all their bedding supposedly BEFORE Ron's daughter went missing.

This stinks to high heaven. They are acting WEIRD.... :glare:

[JUSTSAYIN]

I am going to throw this out there to see if other people feel as though I do.
If your child goes missing...do you move away from where she went missing or do you move away because of something terrible that you know happened there?
tats, wedding and going to fairs is normal everyday life, seems as though they moved on pretty quick here. IMO

I think I wd want 2 leave/move b/c the memories wd hurt 2 much. When my husband died, I cdn't bear 2 live there anymore so I moved as soon as I cd. However, in this case, even tho RC might want 2 move, I think he shd overcome it 4 his children's sake & stay put until haleigh comes home. MOO

[babblefishie]

I am going to throw this out there to see if other people feel as though I do.
If your child goes missing...do you move away from where she went missing or do you move away because of something terrible that you know happened there?
tats, wedding and going to fairs is normal everyday life, seems as though they moved on pretty quick here. IMO

ITA
I think something happened in the bedroom earlier in the day... then ron went to work and misty stayed backed and washed the bedding. Later in the evening they called 911.

She was happy to get rid of a daughter from a former relationship and he rewarded her with marriage --- which means they do not have to testify against one another.

He is to quick to say -- "I was at work over and over". Moving, marrying. These are all signs of moving on.

Something bad happened in that trailer and I think they both know what it was. They use way too much past tense when describing Haleigh...




jmho....

[Peaches]

I would be a total mess if something happened to one of my kids or grandkids.
We are getting a new baby today and Im a nervous wreck. Think Ill just leave work and go hang out at the hospital.
I cant imagine what these parents and grandparents go through.
My prayers are with all of them until Haleigh is found.


Congratulations! Hope all your loved:thumbsup: ones are well............

[Peaches]

I mentioned yesterday that I wonder if something terrible happened to Haleigh during the daytime before Ron went to work. He then goes to work, stays there as usual, comes home and THEN reports her gone. He would have an alibi then. imo of course


Nana,

The neighbor saw her out playing around 5 pm.

That was after Ron went to work....................

[bookie]

ITA
I think something happened in the bedroom earlier in the day... then ron went to work and misty stayed backed and washed the bedding. Later in the evening they called 911.

She was happy to get rid of a daughter from a former relationship and he rewarded her with marriage --- which means they do not have to testify against one another.

He is to quick to say -- "I was at work over and over". Moving, marrying. These are all signs of moving on.

Something bad happened in that trailer and I think they both know what it was. They use way too much past tense when describing Haleigh...




jmho....



Junior is still there.

[Tia]

ITA
I think something happened in the bedroom earlier in the day... then ron went to work and misty stayed backed and washed the bedding. Later in the evening they called 911.

She was happy to get rid of a daughter from a former relationship and he rewarded her with marriage --- which means they do not have to testify against one another.

He is to quick to say -- "I was at work over and over". Moving, marrying. These are all signs of moving on.

Something bad happened in that trailer and I think they both know what it was. They use way too much past tense when describing Haleigh...




jmho....



ITA! I think that the "marriage" has something to do with it too. Like "ill cover for you but you have to marry me".........

I just have a very bad feeling that they know much more than they are letting on.

[bama__angel]

Junior is still there.



And to add to your comment, there is no spousal privalege for crimes against children.......We have learned this from the lawyers who post here......

[Peaches]

I can understand if RC doesnt want to live there, but a 4 year old has not much Idea what is going on, a house is a house.


MOO

Four (4) year old children are smarter than some give them credit. At least my own are.............

I would think that Ron, Jr. would be afraid to go to sleep where someone took his sister.............and she has not returned.

[Peaches]

ITA, but you must remember to overlook the idea he has kept them for several years now, apparently taken care of the healthcare needs, seems to genuine love his children and has been investigated before yielding no charges kind of like when Crystal falsely reported a felony and didn't tell the truth until the end....not saying Crystal is responsible for reporting allegations of abuse....just sayin' :rolleyes:

None of that will ever matter to anyone who supports a woman who put herself first and went on to start a new life with a new baby girl and hasn't met her obligations to the FIRST TWO children for quite some time now financially IMO. :unsure: Sad, just plain sad.

I don't think either parent will ever be on a poster for PARENT OF THE YEAR, but the Magistrate apparently took the lesser of two bad choices at the time IMOO.



Candy Kisses.................

Your remarks are always right on target for me.

Thank you so much for keeping us focused.................

Hopefully, today will be the day that LE decided they can share some of their information with us

OR

better yet, HaLeigh will come home!

[Peaches]

You are right but still don't think I could just leave the area till I knew for sure my child wasn't coming back. There are other places Jr. could go until all is settled. Maybe just me but I just don't think I could move on that fast.



MOO

Is that Ron, Jr. needs his dad more now than ever. He is confused about why his Sissy is not home............scared that someone might get him too.............

He needs to know that his dad will be there to protect him..............

They both need the love that they share with one another.

[?noanswer]

I wounder what LE had to say about Cobra's comments? Love to have been fly on the wall. KWIM?

Didn't he make the statement that he had covered all the information that LE had in one week. Just has to connect the dots. I don't know what he meant by that statement, but it sounded like a "slap in the face" to LE. JMO

[Rushbo]

Nana,

The neighbor saw her out playing around 5 pm.

That was after Ron went to work....................


What is the link for this?

[Rushbo]

Excellent points grma. IMO, the courts can rest easy now, because the question of who was the better parent has been settled by Haleigh being taken out of ronald cummings trailer, right under the nose of the child he left in charge.

Jo and Grma got it right!

[?noanswer]

Ok. Here is what I want to know. If anyone has the answers, please feel free to let me know, so I can work them into my theory.TIA:

Where was Crystal when she got the call that Haleigh was missing?

Baker County

What time did she receive this call?

Teresa N. called her before 4:00 AM CS then called her dad to see if it was a joke.

How long did it take her to get from wherever she was to the Cummings' home after she received the call?

There has been different amt. of times posted.

Where was her fiance?

I don't know if I have ever seen this addressed.

Thanks, guys

My answers in bold. They are all JMO.

[Kelly3820]

Ok. Here is what I want to know. If anyone has the answers, please feel free to let me know, so I can work them into my theory.TIA:

Where was Crystal when she got the call that Haleigh was missing?

What time did she receive this call?

How long did it take her to get from wherever she was to the Cummings' home after she received the call?

Where was her fiance?

Thanks, guys



All I know that it takes only an 1 and 1/2 from Cyrstal's to Ron's. I also believe Crystal was home when she got the call.

[ann10]

o/t

Does anyone know how to find the "Banned List"? There was someone on here the other night that was... off the chain, and I was hoping everything was alright with this person. Since I haven't seen them post anything since that night, I was wondering if she got banned. I wanted to make sure she was ok.

Anyway, anyone who can direct me, I would appreciate it.

TIA


I know who you mean, and I think it may have just been a case of 'posting under the influence'. I hope that's all it was.
Not sure how to find out about bannings, however.

[SavannahStar]

I am finding it very unfair to RC because Haleigh went missing on his "watch".

That does NOT make him a worse father than Crystal being the better mother because of it.

I really feel bad for all the people who have missing children in their watch and then being accused of being the lesser parent because of it.

And ALL WITHOUT PROOF OF ANY WRONGDOING.

jmo

Bravo to you.....I SO agree!!!!!!!

[CANDYKISSES]

Excellent points grma. IMO, the courts can rest easy now, because the question of who was the better parent has been settled by Haleigh being taken out of ronald cummings trailer, right under the nose of the child he left in charge.

That remains to be seen IMO Jo. Remember, many babysitters are watching children well into the morning hours and they are not eighteen IMO. When all is said and done IF Ron and/or Misty are found to be responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, I have no doubt this will be a very ugly battle between the biological parents of Haleigh and Junior no matter what the outcome is for Haleigh. :wub:

However, there is still the matter of Crystal passing all the standards of social services to include her fiance's court order on child protection IIRC (released in Nov. 08), issues of non-support in the past as well as addressing how any health issues on one or both Cummings children will be taken care of now in 2009 IMO. FYI, I realize that RC would be ordered to pay support, but I'm wondering if she would be able to do without as he quite possibly did for upwards of a YEAR IMOO.

Why do you think Crystal has not petitioned the court for an emergency hearing concerning Junior?:confused: JMO

[Texas48]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/haleigh-cummings-case-what-does-misty-cummings-know/

snipped from above:

Misty is Lying. Is this the reason?..
TY Blink..just got home so I'm way behind..Interesting read thats for sure. Several of you are soooo good at providing new info or links.

[emdragon]

Yes, but isn't there still like warning signs? I would think like vomiting the headaches, things like that that could have been mistaken as getting sick but really was something else?

jmo
I was unfortunate to be involved in the case of a death by abuse of a 2 yr- when my best friends girlfriend killed her son. I know the symptoms of a skull fracture and brain injury- I know how long the little one lived before he actually died and I know how LE would investigate and what they searched for in the home.

If something had happened to Haleigh before Ron left for work or even more unlikely the day before anyone who saw Haleigh afterwards but before she died would have noticed something was wrong and yes with a head injury there would have been vomiting which forensics would have found even if an attempt was made to clean it up.

I'm also pretty sure if she died in that home the cadaver dogs would have hit there-

I also was also close to a case that happened in Seattle (but the family actually lived in my town) where the parents left the child with a young teen babysitter and the child died- the case was profiled on CBS and the teen was to be tried as an adult but the judge dropped all the charges in the end. But my point was even though the babysitter had a history of some mental issues and was far younger than Misti no one has ever blamed the parents for their child's death or said they were bad parents for leaving the baby with a sitter- so blaming Ron and saying he is the worse parent because it happened on his watch is absurd.

[?noanswer]

That's an excellent point. X Parte 101. My guess is that they are pretty sure she would not get it based on her history, and then of course if she has some "habits" herself, she would know that would be checked out.

Are you connected to the Blinkoncrime Site to which you have provided a link? JMO

[SavannahStar]

Respectfully, she did not go missing on his watch. She went missing in the care of his 17 year old girfriend, in which whom he entrusted her care. That was his decision, he is her father. He knew what she had been up to and his daughter paid the price for it, imo.

Be clear, I'm not pro Crystal. I dont think either of them deserve to be parents, but it is what it is.

RE the sentence I bolded: we simply do not know that for fact yet.

[Texas48]

Almost 40 days missing. Alot of surrounding forrest. Alot of Surrounding water. Train tracks, At least an 8 hour window to hide or bury.

I don't know if we will ever find Haleigh.SAD but...oh so true Iceman

[odyssey]

See, now this is where LE worries me. Why are they not working off the timeline of 7:00 to 3:27...I do not understand that...can someone explain it to me?

I hate to ask, but it has been driving me crazy for weeks. What does IIRC mean?

MOO

this is only an EXAMPLE of why the time line is important:

Say Misty SAYS SHE put Haleigh to bed at eight and went to bed herself at eleven. This would mean that no one could have taken Haleigh out of the house before 11:30 at the earliest without Misty knowing.

NOW Let's say what REALLY happened is Misty put Haleigh to bed at eight but fell asleep (or passed out or was drugged or skipped out of the house or whatever your theory is) at TEN. This would mean that someone(" badman") could have come in at 10:30 and gotten Haleigh.

NOW .. "Badman" was proven to be home by 11:15 so NO WAY under the timeline Misty SAYS could he have taken Haleigh,

BUT .. under the ACTUAL TIMELINE there is a window of time that he could have.

hope this helps

jmoo

[Texas48]

Hi Tex. I'll tell you what I thought the difference is to me. And I am going on haleighbug site. The wording on there, IIRC, was for donations for Crystal, junior, and Chloe. I didn't understand why she needed donations for junior, who isn't in her custody, and Chole's father I thought was there for her.
Now if the site had said something along the lines of renting an apt. for her to stay in, I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
Neither are working, they both need help to go on.
jmoHey doneit....Did you see/read ANY of my back post where agreed w/$$for Crystal? NOT....I actually feel for ALL involved in this mess.

[teresa]

Does anyone know what the filing is that Kim P made on Crystal's behalf last week? It's in the court records now but they keep saying they are going through DCF only. Since Crystal has called DCF on Ron before, I looked for those on the court site and they aren't there.

I'm really confused about this. Kim P said on NG and GR that she is not going through the courts, so what the heck is that filing for?

[Texas48]

Oh of course!!! I don;t know guys, my brain is fried from the Caylee and Haleigh cases I guess.Please nana..come join me..Same thing w/me....lol

[Texas48]

I am going to throw this out there to see if other people feel as though I do.
If your child goes missing...do you move away from where she went missing or do you move away because of something terrible that you know happened there?
tats, wedding and going to fairs is normal everyday life, seems as though they moved on pretty quick here. IMOgood question grma..I can ONLY speak for me...I wouldn't be fit to feed the chickens..But.. thats just me.

[odyssey]

ITA
I think something happened in the bedroom earlier in the day... then ron went to work and misty stayed backed and washed the bedding. Later in the evening they called 911.

She was happy to get rid of a daughter from a former relationship and he rewarded her with marriage --- which means they do not have to testify against one another.

He is to quick to say -- "I was at work over and over". Moving, marrying. These are all signs of moving on.

Something bad happened in that trailer and I think they both know what it was. They use way too much past tense when describing Haleigh...




jmho....

So .... who did the a/c man and the neighbor see after Ron went to work? If that was not Haleigh then where did they get a little girl for those people to see?
How did they silence jr. so that he would absolutely no one that "sissy" never played with him that evening, never ate supper with him, and never wanted to watch a movie that night? Well not only silence him but 'force' him to say something completely different about what happened to 'sissy' and then turn around and say they don't believe he saw what he says he did .. color me confused.

[odyssey]

ITA
I think something happened in the bedroom earlier in the day... then ron went to work and misty stayed backed and washed the bedding. Later in the evening they called 911.

She was happy to get rid of a daughter from a former relationship and he rewarded her with marriage --- which means they do not have to testify against one another.

He is to quick to say -- "I was at work over and over". Moving, marrying. These are all signs of moving on.

Something bad happened in that trailer and I think they both know what it was. They use way too much past tense when describing Haleigh...




jmho....

OOH and I forgot to address the marital privilege you alluded to

IT DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS MARRIAGE.
In FLORIDA LAW not only are acts *crimes* committed BEFORE MARRIAGE excluded from marital privilege, they ALSO have a statute that says marital privilege NEVER EXTENDS to a spouse if the crime is against a CHILD.

just so ya know :)

[crymeariver2006]

Yes, but isn't there still like warning signs? I would think like vomiting the headaches, things like that that could have been mistaken as getting sick but really was something else?

jmo

Vomiting enough to soil a blanket?

[Texas48]

this may be immature or barbaric, but If I were crystal...I would have beat Misty up by now..whether she had anything to do with it or not.
PRICELESS POST...lol. gave me reason to laugh so thanks Sam..

[emdragon]

A young father who didn't have the decency to let the mother know her children were missing for at least an hour...But if they were fighting over the children I think I would have contacted her right away to see if maybe she had something to do with it.IMO He doesn't even mention that on the 911 call.HMMMM

Maybe he knew Crystal didn't take Haleigh because he knows Crystal and knew she didn't really want the kids in the first place.

If he had accused Crystal on the 911 tape you would be attacking him for that now- saying he only said it to divert attention away from himself.

[Texas48]

IF Haleigh was killed in the house wouldn't there have been some blood or something in the house? or in the van?Just going to be MO Angel but there does NOT have to be blood just because someone is killed. KWIM

[Texas48]

Didn't he make the statement that he had covered all the information that LE had in one week. Just has to connect the dots. I don't know what he meant by that statement, but it sounded like a "slap in the face" to LE. JMOYep..and IMO that is just how LE took it.:cursing:

[Texas48]

o/t

Does anyone know how to find the "Banned List"? There was someone on here the other night that was... off the chain, and I was hoping everything was alright with this person. Since I haven't seen them post anything since that night, I was wondering if she got banned. I wanted to make sure she was ok.

Anyway, anyone who can direct me, I would appreciate it.

TIAOh yea..I remember that...I was worried as well. Don't know if CW caught it real fast or if something happened to her ...keyboard?

[bama__angel]

Vomiting enough to soil a blanket?



Yes.... even projectile vomiting is entirely possible in the case of a head injury........The severe headache may cause extreme nausea and vomiting........IMO......due to the rapid swelling of the brain......

[odyssey]

Any kind of internal injuries left unchecked can lead to death. I have heard of people dying the next day after an accident. Then there is also shaken baby syndrome and that is one of the saddest things about it. Many do not die right away and they suffer.

Yes but they do not behave NORMALLY for HOURS after the incident. Within one to two hours there will be lethargy, possible balance problems, nausea, possible loss of appetite, and other problems. I am sorry i don't have links right now. One case that comes to mind is a 13 year old girl who was accused of shaking an 18 month old baby she was babysitting. Whether she actually did it I am uncertain(they dropped charges after some evidence was thrown out), but I remember the doctor(?) speaking about how quickly the symptoms would exhibit themselves.

By the neighbor's account (and the ggm's though i realize some people don't care about family member statements) Haleigh was outside playing.

jmoo

[Texas48]

Here ya go liz
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showgroups.phpDo you KNOW everything? lol...I could NOT get it to open????

[crymeariver2006]

Me too. I also see some are advocating violence, or borderline violence, even tho some of against Ron because of his alleged violence.

And I see some of saying Ron should have been out searching after he got home and found out Haleigh was missing. My belief is he should have just called 911.
jmo

When Mark Lunsford realized Jessica was missing, he and Archie set out on foot knocking on doors. Ruth called 911.

In this day and time when 4 & 5 year olds can dial 911 in an emergency and speak coherently to a 911 operator, it's crazy to think that Misty WAITED to not only call 911, but had to be TOLD to call 911.

JMO

[Money Girl]

don't you find it odd Crystal's own lawyer doesn't come out full force to have Jr put into his mothers custody?

No, I do not think it is odd at all. Jr. being safe is top priority as well as finding Haleigh.

[crymeariver2006]

Does anyone know what the filing is that Kim P made on Crystal's behalf last week? It's in the court records now but they keep saying they are going through DCF only. Since Crystal has called DCF on Ron before, I looked for those on the court site and they aren't there.

I'm really confused about this. Kim P said on NG and GR that she is not going through the courts, so what the heck is that filing for?

From reading the filing notice last week, it was worded like it was just notice of representation.

JMO

[Texas48]

Thanks, Doneit. That answers that question.

Now back to the topic at hand...OH DEAR..got it to open..wish I hadn't now....:ohmy:

[Owlface]

(bolding mine)

A young father who tried to do his best by his children, and never once shirked that responsibility....

jmo

As you say, it is just your opinion. I don't know what you could possibly base this on since, I presuming, you do not know this family or spent any amount of time with them.

[babblefishie]

ITA! I think that the "marriage" has something to do with it too. Like "ill cover for you but you have to marry me".........

I just have a very bad feeling that they know much more than they are letting on.

We are on the same page... :confused:

[crymeariver2006]

What is the link for this?

There is no link for that. Police have never released a time that Haleigh was seen, nor have they released the name of the neighbor that supposedly was the only person outside of Misty to see Haleigh after Ron went to work.

[teresa]

I'm not convinced anyone saw Haleigh after Ron went to work. Of course Grandma would say she saw her, but that does not make it so. The A/C guy might have seen kids (cousins or neighbors) but if he had not known who Haleigh is, they are just kids to him.

Google Detective Shauland+neighbor saw Haleigh. It is in the archives of the Palatka newspaper. You have to pay to read the article now but on google, you can see the quote.

[Texas48]

I am finding it very unfair to RC because Haleigh went missing on his "watch".

That does NOT make him a worse father than Crystal being the better mother because of it.

I really feel bad for all the people who have missing children in their watch and then being accused of being the lesser parent because of it.

And ALL WITHOUT PROOF OF ANY WRONGDOING.

jmoDon't fall off the board..again...doneit..ITA that I would NOT blame Ron or any one for that matter....the problem I have w/Ron is he KNEW Misty...her past and her present...I feel very certain there is ALOT in Misty's life that one SHOULD be concerned with..with that being said..do you NOT agree this is the case? jmo and what is your?

[teresa]

From reading the filing notice last week, it was worded like it was just notice of representation.

JMO

Thanks cry. I didn't know they had to notify the court if they got a new lawyer. I'll check later and see if Ron's new lawyer is on there. It kind of makes sense though.

[Grandview]

Google Detective Shauland+neighbor saw Haleigh. It is in the archives of the Palatka newspaper. You have to pay to read the article now but on google, you can see the quote.

Crystal and her mother said the neighbor saw the kids that evening playing. It was the Greta interview.

[Texas48]

Hiya CandyK! According to Kim Picazio on Nancy Grace I believe, their priority right now is to get junior out of of harms way and away from ronald cummings, not necessarily into Crystal's custody. That, imo will come later.
Here is a couple of:thumbsup::thumbsup:to you Jo. ITA...JMO of course

[crymeariver2006]

Super dads do not have DCFS rolling to their trailers three times in the past years, imo.

That was LE who was responding to the abuse charges three times in the past four years.

That's not counting the number of times DCF went out there for his "natural discipline" BS which were not reported to the police.

:wink:

[CANDYKISSES]

A young father who didn't have the decency to let the mother know her children were missing for at least an hour...But if they were fighting over the children I think I would have contacted her right away to see if maybe she had something to do with it.IMO He doesn't even mention that on the 911 call.HMMMM

I'm remembering two biological parents that were working to find Haleigh in those first days. Whether it was seeing Crystal comforting a crying father, or a father not buying into Greta's goading to disrespect Crystal. What a shame it couldn't have remained that way UNLESS any of the allegations of abuse are found to be true.

Was that the day the paperwork went out on the support too? Was everyone aware of the release of that paperwork? Just wondering if they had any contact on the phone that day as far as Crystal and Ron go. I am trying to remember here.

Quite frankly I can remember being blown away when Crystal originally said that she had not even spoken to the kids since their last visitation. Let's remember, that's every two weeks IIRC.

*I think I would have contacted her right after LE*, but can't say for sure having not been in a custody share situation before. I remember Beth Twitty being chastised for not notifying Dave right away.

I don't remember how long it took the Lunsford family to notify Angela, the bio-mom for dear sweet Jessie Lunsford, so I am not inclined to lean toward any guilt due to something like notification time with a non-custodial parent, but that's just me.

JMO

[?noanswer]

I am she, yes.


Thanks! JMO

[teresa]

Super dads do not have DCFS rolling to their trailers three times in the past years, imo.

Actually they do when the mother and her relatives call. Whether true or not.

All I can base my opinion on at this point is what the school has said about what a happy child she was, no reports from the school or from the doctors of any signs of abuse. And interestingly, no report from the pediatric nurse who took the picture in November. All of those are required by law to report...and none did.

[Texas48]

Vomiting enough to soil a blanket?Heres that darn blanket again my friend cry....Btw the blanket and wall by water heater I have fried my brain....

[babblefishie]

Vomiting enough to soil a blanket?

I always get a sick feeling in my stomach when people linked to a missing child casually mention blankets...

Cindy Anthony also off handedly mentions how one blanket is missing from the bed during an interview with media. I felt like Caylee was dead with that blanket as soon as she said that. I'm not saying Cindy knew, but the blanket mention creeped me out.

And then... in this case

Misty mentions washing blankets that day.

shudder... I don't like it.

[KKKKKKatie]

Bold underline mine
Better question.....Where IS Chad Griffs?
I've been asking that for several weeks.

For someone who is allegedly engaged to the mother of a missing child....he is NO WHERE to be seen.

What kind of support is that for a suffering loved one?

I'll ask again. What is Chad Griffis hiding from?


My guess is that he is working??? They live a distance away and he has kids IIRC

[emdragon]

There is no link for that. Police have never released a time that Haleigh was seen, nor have they released the name of the neighbor that supposedly was the only person outside of Misty to see Haleigh after Ron went to work.

LE have released NOTHING but they have said their time line that they still can't verify is from 7pm to 3am- that tells anyone with logical thinking that
Haleigh was accounted for prior to 7pm.

And the neighbor who saw her i believe is the minister who is also the landlord- pretty sure she said this in a print interview.

Super dads do not have DCFS rolling to their trailers three times in the past years, imo.

Not that I think Ron is Super Dad but yes even the best of fathers can have repeated visits by DCF/CPA because of a vindictive ex or former inlaws.

[Texas48]

Sorry Tex, don't know if I missed it or not. Can you point me in the right direction???

Thanks Savannah and Emdragon for your posts.Can't point you in the right direction..cause...I did not post about it one way or other. Donation is a donation is a donation..IMO

[crymeariver2006]

Actually they do when the mother and her relatives call. Whether true or not.

All I can base my opinion on at this point is what the school has said about what a happy child she was, no reports from the school or from the doctors of any signs of abuse. And interestingly, no report from the pediatric nurse who took the picture in November. All of those are required by law to report...and none did.

Her relatives? Wouldn't her step mother be a relative? She's the one that took the picture. Do you know for a fact that she didn't report it?

The incidents were reported by people other than Crystal.

DCF has an investigative file, with reportedly accusations of incidents even since Misty has been in the picture.

LE admitted that they had been to the house 3 times in the past four years to investigate.

Crystal can't win. Either she's trashed because she doesn't call to report abuse, or because she does.

Which is it?

[Texas48]

people can say Ron is super dad, and he has an alibi. People can say that Misty is young and thats why her story differs. The bottom line is it is ABNORMAL for these two to marry and move on like they have a month after his daughter goes missing. period.

He whines that all the attention wanes from Haleigh whenever his past comes up, yet he throws himself into the spotlight with things like getting married, going to New York, getting a tattoo. He KNOWS the media is focused and yet he does this. NOT NORMAL.Gotta LOVE that word..NORMAL...ITA.

[CC I See]

When Mark Lunsford realized Jessica was missing, he and Archie set out on foot knocking on doors. Ruth called 911.

In this day and time when 4 & 5 year olds can dial 911 in an emergency and speak coherently to a 911 operator, it's crazy to think that Misty WAITED to not only call 911, but had to be TOLD to call 911. JMO I think that she was stalling for time because she did not want LE there that night. I don't think she was mentally ready to say what happened and did not have her story straight.

[?noanswer]

Her relatives? Wouldn't her step mother be a relative? She's the one that took the picture. Do you know for a fact that she didn't report it?

The incidents were reported by people other than Crystal.

DCF has an investigative file, with reportedly accusations of incidents even since Misty has been in the picture.

LE admitted that they had been to the house 3 times in the past four years to investigate.

Crystal can't win. Either she's trashed because she doesn't call to report abuse, or because she does.

Which is it?

Bolding Mine.

If she did report, then the agency must have determined it was unfounded, considered the source and did nothing, or they may still be investigating. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

LE have released NOTHING but they have said their time line that they still can't verify is from 7pm to 3am- that tells anyone with logical thinking that
Haleigh was accounted for prior to 7pm.

And the neighbor who saw her i believe is the minister who is also the landlord- pretty sure she said this in a print interview.



Not that I think Ron is Super Dad but yes even the best of fathers can have repeated visits by DCF/CPA because of a vindictive ex or former inlaws.

When Ron moved into the 3 BR house, he no longer lived next door to the landlord, Phyllis Bard. When he lived next door to her, he was renting a 2 BR house (from the same lady) and she said Haleigh would come over to her house and she would see her and Jr. playing in the yard.

Again, the name of the neighbor has never been released.

[emdragon]

Her relatives? Wouldn't her step mother be a relative? She's the one that took the picture. Do you know for a fact that she didn't report it?

The incidents were reported by people other than Crystal.

DCF has an investigative file, with reportedly accusations of incidents even since Misty has been in the picture.

LE admitted that they had been to the house 3 times in the past four years to investigate.

Crystal can't win. Either she's trashed because she doesn't call to report abuse, or because she does.

Which is it?

We know for a fact because of Crystals Lawyer that Crystal called DCF at least twice and her mother called at least Twice- my math says that is 4 times.

[IlliniFan]

LE have released NOTHING but they have said their time line that they still can't verify is from 7pm to 3am- that tells anyone with logical thinking that
Haleigh was accounted for prior to 7pm.
And the neighbor who saw her i believe is the minister who is also the landlord- pretty sure she said this in a print interview.



Not that I think Ron is Super Dad but yes even the best of fathers can have repeated visits by DCF/CPA because of a vindictive ex or former inlaws.

I have thought this all along....If LE thought that something happened to Haleigh before 7 pm, and that no one besides Misty could account for her.or that someone independant had not seen Haleigh alive.....their timeline would not start at 7pm.

The "crucial timeline" would start at approximately the last time someone, besides Misty saw her Alive..

imo

bolded by me

[teresa]

Her relatives? Wouldn't her step mother be a relative? She's the one that took the picture. Do you know for a fact that she didn't report it?
The incidents were reported by people other than Crystal.

DCF has an investigative file, with reportedly accusations of incidents even since Misty has been in the picture.

LE admitted that they had been to the house 3 times in the past four years to investigate.

Crystal can't win. Either she's trashed because she doesn't call to report abuse, or because she does.

Which is it?

Doesn't sound like it. I think they would have told her about the fall.

"As far as her schoolyard fall, Crystal says she didn’t know about the documented injuries until she picked up Haleigh’s records after she turned up missing."

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/19/do-exclusive-haleigh-cummings-pix-prove-abuse/

[heidi]

:crying:Well why in the sam hill would he leave so abruptly? I thought he was there to see this thing thru to the end? That's disturbing and I hope we can confirm it one way or the other soon.

I'm not gonna touch the story about the fair.

I certainly hope he has not left.
I just heard GREG is being questioned by LE there

[crymeariver2006]

Bolding Mine.

If she did report, then the agency must have determined it was unfounded, considered the source and did nothing, or they may still be investigating. JMO

"Considered the source"?

Ooookay.

Or by the time they got around to the house, any bruises or "stick marks" were healed and they wrote it up under "natural discipline".

JMO

[CC I See]

I don't find that unusual if in fact they don't try to look for Haleigh on their own.

Hopefully the masses don't follow them 24/7.

LE normally asks that family members not to do a physical search when they're brought into the picture.

Plus where would they begin to look?
All that water....acres of woodland...

I wish they would ask Tim Miller to come back.A parent that desperately was trying to find answers to where their child was taken would not stop at such a request. LE could not stop me from looking for my child no matter WHAT. As for Tim Miller, he probably has really good reasons for leaving and not coming back and the decision is out of his hands which is just my opinion.

[crymeariver2006]

We know for a fact because of Crystals Lawyer that Crystal called DCF at least twice and her mother called at least Twice- my math says that is 4 times.

The post was concerning the step mother - Connie - the pediatric nurse that took the picture - that's REQUIRED to report abuse.

Do we know for a fact that SHE - Connie, the pediatric nurse who took the picture - didn't report it?

[Grandview]

This are twitters from the beginning to now from a Gainsville reporter. Interesting read.

http://twitter.com/GSReporters

just click more to get to the next set and so on

[CANDYKISSES]

Super dads do not have DCFS rolling to their trailers three times in the past years, imo.

I don't consider either parent to be super anything, rather I see RC as the lesser of two evils at that time IMO.

But I myself wouldn't go blanket with that statement Jo, simply because there are women who do anything to avoid personal responsibility and continue to make a man's life hell on earth just because they can.

Let's remember the LE in Satsuma even confirmed there were women calling their EX's in just for some kind of retribution in this case (paraphrased).

So if it was Crystal and her family/friends calling in false reports of abuse (like Crystal made a FALSE REPORT OF A FELONY FGS) then just possibly there could be a Super Dad with false reports by a scorned woman IMOO and still NOT thinking that RON is super-dad. JMO tho.

Here's the part about the angry ex wives:

"We have gotten more than 500 leads so far," Ryan said, adding that many of the leads are angry ex-wives trying to get their former husbands in trouble.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902161002

[cat3]

:crying:

I certainly hope he has not left.
I just heard GREG is being questioned by LE there

heidi,can you say where you heard that Greg is being questioned by LE?

[kitty1182]

I'm back..Haven't been on computer or seen the news since last Thursday..
What have I missed? Thanks......:smile:

[odyssey]

Doesn't sound like it. I think they would have told her about the fall.

"As far as her schoolyard fall, Crystal says she didn’t know about the documented injuries until she picked up Haleigh’s records after she turned up missing."

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/19/do-exclusive-haleigh-cummings-pix-prove-abuse/

Didn't she say on Nancy Grace she knew about it in November and that her step mother said she wanted to take her picture?


jmoo

[?noanswer]

I'm back..Haven't been on computer or seen the news since last Thursday..
What have I missed? Thanks......:smile:

Not much, just mostly exchanges of opinions based on which side the poster supports. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Do we know if they were called for trumped up charges???

3 times there and 3 times left the kids there, right???

LE admitted they had been there on 3 occasions in the last four years to investigate allegations of abuse. What they said was it resulted in "no criminal charges" - because......IT'S NOT A CRIME IN FLORIDA TO HIT YOUR KID WITH STICKS OR BELTS.

DCF has yet to say how many times they have been to the house.

That's one of the things, IMO, that Kim Picazio is looking for. How many times, who reported it, how long did it take from the time of the report until a visit was made to the house, who was at the house when DCF went there, what did they find....

Again, just because I think it's abuse to hit your child with sticks and belts, that doesn't mean that Florida sees it that way.

It doesn't mean that a judge will see it that way either.

Why don't you wait and see what the investigation turns up? That's all they're asking for.

[KKKKKKatie]

Aw come on. GMAB
A child of his wife-to-be is missing and probably dead.

Does he work 24/7?
Can he not travel 1 1/2 hours in 6 weeks?

I have not seen where he has custody of his kids.....
Only that their mother had a restraining order against him months on end.

Me thinks something stinks here...

Do you know that he hasn't been there for 6 weeks? I have not read/seen anything one way or the other.

[IlliniFan]

Aw come on. GMAB
A child of his wife-to-be is missing and probably dead.

Does he work 24/7?
Can he not travel 1 1/2 hours in 6 weeks?

I have not seen where he has custody of his kids.....
Only that their mother had a restraining order against him months on end.

Me thinks something stinks here...

Maybe Kim Picazio has decided to keep Chad at a distance. Doesn't Chad Griffis live with Crystal?
imo

[babblefishie]

"Misty had put Haleigh to bed at 8 o’clock. She then washed their blankets, and after that was done, she put Haleigh's blanket over her. "She was sleeping when I put her blanket on her,"

Doesn't add up.... Who puts a child to bed w/o blanket and goes and washes bedding... You would do it next day while they're awake. NOT 8 p.m. at night.

Misty very focused on discussing their bedding... :confused:

[crymeariver2006]

Aw come on. GMAB
A child of his wife-to-be is missing and probably dead.

Does he work 24/7?
Can he not travel 1 1/2 hours in 6 weeks?

I have not seen where he has custody of his kids.....
Only that their mother had a restraining order against him months on end.

Me thinks something stinks here...

So because you haven't seen him on tv with his face in front of a camera, you're assuming he's not there and he's not interested or that he must be up to no good?

I haven't seen Teresa on tv since last Monday night, does that mean anything? I have only seen Ron's dad on tv once (at least it was reportedly Ron's dad) does that mean anything?

[emdragon]

You were blown away the fact that Crystal said she had not talked to the kids since last visitation? Do you think Haleigh and Jr had their own cell phones? I dont think Rons home has a home phone in it, they use cells, so in order to talk to her kids she had to call Ron, maybe Ron wouldn't let her talk to the kids? Ron abused Crystal, it was probably better off not talking to them till next visit, one less thing Ron had control over, because thats how he is punishing Crystal for leaving him, with her kids, one he lost.

jmo

Nice thoughts except--- there is nothing but Crystal's word to prove she was abused so the word "alleged" should be used.

And Crystal didn't say Ron wouldn't let me talk to the kids she just said she hadn't spoken to them.

She said Misti was great and the kids loved her, in fact Crystal said a lot of things early on including the absences from school but she never said Ron would not let her speak to her kids.

[?noanswer]

Do you know that he hasn't been there for 6 weeks? I have not read/seen anything one way or the other.

IIRC, in the beginning poster were posting that he was in the background laughing while others were being interviewed. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

So because you haven't seen him on tv with his face in front of a camera, you're assuming he's not there and he's not interested or that he must be up to no good?

I haven't seen Teresa on tv since last Monday night, does that mean anything? I have only seen Ron's dad on tv once (at least it was reportedly Ron's dad) does that mean anything?

I can tell you that if I got caught up in this mess (through no fault of my own) I wouldn't want my face on the TV either. Could be he is just in the background IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

IIRC, in the beginning poster were posting that he was in the background laughing while others were being interviewed. JMO


Well...I wouldn't know him if I fell over him...so I have no clue LOL

[CC I See]

"Misty had put Haleigh to bed at 8 o’clock. She then washed their blankets, and after that was done, she put Haleigh's blanket over her. "She was sleeping when I put her blanket on her,"

Doesn't add up.... Who puts a child to bed w/o blanket and goes and washes bedding... You would do it next day while they're awake. NOT 8 p.m. at night.

Misty very focused on discussing their bedding... :confused:Yes, she used that exuse to show that she washed that night and needed a good reason when asked why. With that big extended family, I can not imagine a shortage of blankets even if some where used to cover windows.

[?noanswer]

Well...I wouldn't know him if I fell over him...so I have no clue LOL

Me either and that might be a good thing!! JMO

[Rushbo]

Nice thoughts except--- there is nothing but Crystal's word to prove she was abused so the word "alleged" should be used.

And Crystal didn't say Ron wouldn't let me talk to the kids she just said she hadn't spoken to them.

She said Misti was great and the kids loved her, in fact Crystal said a lot of things early on including the absences from school but she never said Ron would not let her speak to her kids.

Actually, I have read that Ron would not let Crystal talk with the kids. Will try to find the link. (Beginning to think I need to do a whole database about who said what and when!)

[CANDYKISSES]

You were blown away the fact that Crystal said she had not talked to the kids since last visitation? Do you think Haleigh and Jr had their own cell phones? I dont think Rons home has a home phone in it, they use cells, so in order to talk to her kids she had to call Ron, maybe Ron wouldn't let her talk to the kids? Ron abused Crystal, it was probably better off not talking to them till next visit, one less thing Ron had control over, because thats how he is punishing Crystal for leaving him, with her kids, one he lost.

jmo

I stand by my post concerning being blown away at the thought of not talking to my minor children after making a choice to move to another town for my own personal reasons. JMO. :unsure:

What makes you believe they don't have a land line in their home? :confused:

[KKKKKKatie]

Me either and that might be a good thing!! JMO


:ohmy: You stole my thought! lol

I don't want to know the lot of them! Too screwy for me IMO

[Rushbo]

"Misty had put Haleigh to bed at 8 o’clock. She then washed their blankets, and after that was done, she put Haleigh's blanket over her. "She was sleeping when I put her blanket on her,"

Doesn't add up.... Who puts a child to bed w/o blanket and goes and washes bedding... You would do it next day while they're awake. NOT 8 p.m. at night.

Misty very focused on discussing their bedding... :confused:

I just assumed Misty noticed the blanket needed washing when she started the movie for Haleigh and proceeded to wash it along with the other one.

[?noanswer]

Yes, she used that exuse to show that she washed that night and needed a good reason when asked why. With that big extended family, I can not imagine a shortage of blankets even if some where used to cover windows.

Lawdy, Lawdy, the information in this case has really dried up if all we posters have to do is debate how many blankets someone has. I'm sure LE knows if any blankets were freshly washed. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Of course y'all are correct. I apologize.

I have no idea if Chad Griffs has been in Satsuma or not.

Pretty strange though when we've seen everyone else's mug sleeping in tents, pleading before cameras on TeeVee, walking around holding hands and comforting each other....good old Chad has managed to dodge the cameras...
Lucky dude.

I wonder if any of his shoes 'squeak'?

No need to apologize Kathy.....I just don't find it all that strange that he hasn't been front and center. If I were him I sure wouldn't be!

[babblefishie]

originally posted here:
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/haleigh_cummings_a_reader_chim.php
1. Contradictory statements to begin with. Could be the girl WAS in the same bed to begin with and WET the bed. THEN was put in other bed. Misty talks about her wetting the bed (recently) and she "washed the blanket." If she is 5 year-old girl with Turner's syndrome, living in emotionally and physically abusive environment, further explains why still bedwetter.

2. Father hothead and has lengthy criminal history - also domestic violence, reports of child abuse. Known fact that one of the leading causes of death in children are parents who go berserk due to bedwetting, over-discipline and possibly beat to death. Could have physically assaulted, broken limbs, bruises - only recourse was to throw her in the river, and place cinder block at back door to "cover" himself. Also reports that phone calls between two in early morning hours before he returned home, so if truly missing, he wouldn't have stayed at job 'til finished.

3. His dismay and tears are over what he did, and yes, he wants her back - but not because of abduction that never happened He is remorseful, like many abusers who do it over and over and over. Think sheriff's dept going along with story to get the goods on Dad and girlfriend.

4. Misty going along with story, but because she is young and not real bright, (like Ronald) they have really given themselves away with talk of bedwetting and now knowledge of truancy - in kindergarten of all things - which is another sign of physical abuse and healing injuries.

5. Child missed so much school that bio Mom said if missed anymore, father could be arrested. Contempt of Court entered against father on Mon 2/9 -hours before child went missing. Father didn't want to lose son, lose job, nor go to jail.

Father murdered unintentionally, life in prison. Girlfriend accomplice - serving 30+ years in the big house.

Case closed.

[forensicfan]

Nice thoughts except--- there is nothing but Crystal's word to prove she was abused so the word "alleged" should be used.

And Crystal didn't say Ron wouldn't let me talk to the kids she just said she hadn't spoken to them.

She said Misti was great and the kids loved her, in fact Crystal said a lot of things early on including the absences from school but she never said Ron would not let her speak to her kids.

THANK YOU!!!! I remember her saying Misty was a responsible person when this first happened.

[CANDYKISSES]

Do you know that he hasn't been there for 6 weeks? I have not read/seen anything one way or the other.

I don't know where Chad is, but I do remember reading about seeking donations for clothing regarding Chloe and Junior the day the haleighbug site first went up. That was another blow away moment for me, but hey who knows??? JMO:confused:

[Grandview]

Me either and that might be a good thing!! JMO

From the page with all the links
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3

[CC I See]

Lawdy, Lawdy, the information in this case has really dried up if all we posters have to do is debate how many blankets someone has. I'm sure LE knows if any blankets were freshly washed. JMOBlankets in the Cummings home could be evidence in this case and washing the blanket that was on Haleigh's bed could be very important. Any missing blankets could also be important and could contain key evidence that should not be overlooked either by LE or posters on this board. That blanket that was on Haleigh's bed could have been washed after she was went missing and we may never know if it was.

[crymeariver2006]

Of course y'all are correct. I apologize.

I have no idea if Chad Griffs has been in Satsuma or not.

Pretty strange though when we've seen everyone else's mug sleeping in tents, pleading before cameras on TeeVee, walking around holding hands and comforting each other....good old Chad has managed to dodge the cameras...
Lucky dude.

I wonder if any of his shoes 'squeak'?

Now see, you gave a heartfelt apology and then, not wanting to completely agree that just because one doesn't see Chad on tv it doesn't mean anything, you have to throw in the last little jab about the "squeaky shoes".

I had such high hopes.

<sigh>

BTW, I thought Ron said the "squeaky shoes" "man in black" was just BS?

[threesnugbugs]

I just assumed Misty noticed the blanket needed washing when she started the movie for Haleigh and proceeded to wash it along with the other one.

I agree, I thought the same thing and in my experience, it sounds reasonable enough. I've done plenty of things out of sequence, or not in the usual way when I had three under four yrs.

[?noanswer]

Blankets in the Cummings home could be evidence in this case and washing the blanket that was on Haleigh's bed could be very important. Any missing blankets could also be important and could contain key evidence that should not be overlooked either by LE or posters on this board. That blanket that was on Haleigh's bed could have been washed after she was went missing and we may never know if it was.

I'm sure LE can tell if it had been used after it was washed. Maybe someday when LE releases their evidence we will know what part "blankets" played in this case. JMO

[odyssey]

"Misty had put Haleigh to bed at 8 o’clock. She then washed their blankets, and after that was done, she put Haleigh's blanket over her. "She was sleeping when I put her blanket on her,"

Doesn't add up.... Who puts a child to bed w/o blanket and goes and washes bedding... You would do it next day while they're awake. NOT 8 p.m. at night.

Misty very focused on discussing their bedding... :confused:

I guess someone who knew the child would need the blanket to sleep under that night?
I guess if she did not care if Haleigh got cold she could leave the blanket to the next day ...

jmoo

[crymeariver2006]

I guess someone who knew the child would need the blanket to sleep under that night?
I guess if she did not care if Haleigh got cold she could leave the blanket to the next day ...

jmoo

So why didn't she notice the blanket or the rest of the bedding smelled before she put Haleigh to bed?

She was there all day Monday, right?

[emdragon]

Actually, I have read that Ron would not let Crystal talk with the kids. Will try to find the link. (Beginning to think I need to do a whole database about who said what and when!)

I have no doubt you'll find a link to support that- my point was Crystal never said anything about Ron refusing to let her speak to the kids in the first few days when she was saying "i don't know" about everything she was asked about them.

I really believe if Ron wouldn't let her talk to them her mother would have gotten that tid bit out the first day, like she tried to do with everything else.

[teresa]

babble...can we copy posts from somewhere else to here? Especially posts presented as fact that aren't factual.

What contempt of court on RC on 2-9? Don't you mean Crystal's for not paying child support?

[gogo]

I do not know what thread to post this help. MY comp last month got infected. $100 to Nortons to clean it. I think it happened on tmz . something I clicked on.
I use Int. Exp. my nephew told me to stop using IE and to download firefox. I do not know or understand the tech. involved. If I install firefox what happens to my settings and my favorites. Do I lose them? Is installing a new browser very techinical. also does it afftec my Nortons Security. I do not know where to begin.

[CC I See]

I'm sure LE can tell if it had been used after it was washed. Maybe someday when LE releases their evidence we will know what part "blankets" played in this case. JMOIt could have been a hair or a piece of skin that came from the intruder that took Haleigh. If the blanket was washed after that occurred then that evidence is gone. LE knowing that the blanket was washed that night one way or the other would not help prove that such a person was in the home. If the blanket was washed after she vanished then Misty knew who took her and covered it up.

[Texas48]

You need to stop kicking my chair out from under me, Tex. But I agree with you sometimes too, LOL

Maybe if I knew more about her background, yea. I heard she ran away, but I don't know why except supposedly her dad put her out. As far as her age with the kids, it really doesn't bother me. If you know more about her, fill me in OK??
jmoIts NOT the age that bothers me doneit...That is a small community and I betcha eveybody KNOWS everybody there in them parts..I also betcha Ron knew about Misty and Misty knew about Ron even before they got together. Its JMO as I do NOT know any of these ppl and quite frankly..don't want to. I care about the children in ALL this mess and thats just about it for me.

[Texas48]

You need to stop kicking my chair out from under me, Tex. But I agree with you sometimes too, LOL

Maybe if I knew more about her background, yea. I heard she ran away, but I don't know why except supposedly her dad put her out. As far as her age with the kids, it really doesn't bother me. If you know more about her, fill me in OK??
jmoAn added question since I depend on your knowledge....When ya get banned how long is it for?

[emdragon]

originally posted here:
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/haleigh_cummings_a_reader_chim.php
1. Contradictory statements to begin with. Could be the girl WAS in the same bed to begin with and WET the bed. THEN was put in other bed. Misty talks about her wetting the bed (recently) and she "washed the blanket." If she is 5 year-old girl with Turner's syndrome, living in emotionally and physically abusive environment, further explains why still bedwetter.

2. Father hothead and has lengthy criminal history - also domestic violence, reports of child abuse. Known fact that one of the leading causes of death in children are parents who go berserk due to bedwetting, over-discipline and possibly beat to death. Could have physically assaulted, broken limbs, bruises - only recourse was to throw her in the river, and place cinder block at back door to "cover" himself. Also reports that phone calls between two in early morning hours before he returned home, so if truly missing, he wouldn't have stayed at job 'til finished.

3. His dismay and tears are over what he did, and yes, he wants her back - but not because of abduction that never happened He is remorseful, like many abusers who do it over and over and over. Think sheriff's dept going along with story to get the goods on Dad and girlfriend.

4. Misty going along with story, but because she is young and not real bright, (like Ronald) they have really given themselves away with talk of bedwetting and now knowledge of truancy - in kindergarten of all things - which is another sign of physical abuse and healing injuries.

5. Child missed so much school that bio Mom said if missed anymore, father could be arrested. Contempt of Court entered against father on Mon 2/9 -hours before child went missing. Father didn't want to lose son, lose job, nor go to jail.

Father murdered unintentionally, life in prison. Girlfriend accomplice - serving 30+ years in the big house.

Case closed.

Many mistakes in your post but I'll address the biggest one..

It was not Ron who was in contempt of court and due in court on the 9th it was Crystal.

[Texas48]

I'm back..Haven't been on computer or seen the news since last Thursday..
What have I missed? Thanks......:smile:Hi Kitty....Thought someone was missing on the board..You were away from computer since Tursday???How do you do it my friend..Of course you must have a life unlike me.lol..Welcome home

[IlliniFan]

An added question since I depend on your knowledge....When ya get banned how long is it for?


I don't know...but I will say that I have seen some very quick reincarations of banned posters with new names...

[odyssey]

So why didn't she notice the blanket or the rest of the bedding smelled before she put Haleigh to bed?

She was there all day Monday, right?


because she does not go around smelling bedding until she is right down there tucking Haleigh in?

because the rest of the bedding wasn't peed on? because during the course of the afternoon junior or Haleigh started to have an accident while sitting on the blanket and 'caught' it just at a trickle? because she forgot to wipe after she peed and then sat on the blanket? because Haleigh or junior got pee on their hands when using the bathroom and did not wash their hands or wiped it on the blanket? no idea.


i know my son's blanket has smelled of pee before yet the sheets have not. maybe that only happens in our house though ... jmoo

[Texas48]

Do we know if they were called for trumped up charges???

3 times there and 3 times left the kids there, right???Better to report and find NOTHING than NOT report and find something..jmo

[forensicfan]

If there was blood on the blanket, traces of blood would be in the washing machine. Cases where blood evidence was found in the washing machine have been profiled on Forensic Files many times.

I don't think the 17 yr old has the sophistication of an experienced methodical killer to get rid of any possible trace of a crime.

A cadaver dog can pick up the scent of human decomposition with the body having remained in place for only a few minutes (under 10 minutes according to the article below - 2nd link). The body purges fluids after death. They did use the dogs, remember? The dogs hit on the dumpster. I'm sure they had the dogs sniff inside the home, the bedding, the clothing worn by Misty, the van/truck/car whatever it was, etc.

http://www.slate.com/id/2174177/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html

[Texas48]

Soak your brain in what ever Sw had in her cranberry juice and you'll be fine, lol

Did LE take the blanket, anyone know??LOL..I have one everynight and it WORKS.. Sw burns the roast/I burn the water....

[babblefishie]

Very interesting Babble. Thanks!!

Your welcome Tree Tree! As you can see I'm part of the "something stinks in Denmark" camp...

Nice to see you again :)

[Texas48]

Soak your brain in what ever Sw had in her cranberry juice and you'll be fine, lol

Did LE take the blanket, anyone know??ooops...forgot answer your question my friend...Blanket..right? There are several blankets floating around..which one? One on the window..one in van..one had pee on it...one in the wash...:confused: Your asking really hard questions this late in the day doneit...:wub:

[MrLucky917B]

An added question since I depend on your knowledge....When ya get banned how long is it for?

Sometimes it is for your lifetime, sometimes for a couple of days.

[Texas48]

So because you haven't seen him on tv with his face in front of a camera, you're assuming he's not there and he's not interested or that he must be up to no good?

I haven't seen Teresa on tv since last Monday night, does that mean anything? I have only seen Ron's dad on tv once (at least it was reportedly Ron's dad) does that mean anything?Good post cry...putting this man down just because posters have not seen or heard from him.....What else can one think of just to post something negative. jmo

[odyssey]

Have y'all seen this (Likely O/T)?
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Citrus-County-releases-composite-sketch-on/1TEekA7kxUybcUdtzyjcJg.cspx

Did his parents even know he was missing? Says no signs of forced entry. Praise God he was fine.

jmoo

[emdragon]

Good post cry...putting this man down just because posters have not seen or heard from him.....What else can one think of just to post something negative. jmo

Can we put him down for his criminal record or is that reserved stickily for Ron?

To be fair he has been there a couple of times during interviews early on and when the accusations about Ron abusing Crystal were put out but he had to stay home with the "kids" is what we have been told to explain his absence.
But I too find it odd that he hasn't been there more to support the mother of his child.

[Texas48]

Well...I wouldn't know him if I fell over him...so I have no clue LOLMe and thee Katie...As for the posters posting he was in background laughing while others were being interviewed...I would like to read that post or is what media stated? Just asking..cause I take many post w/grain of salt as many do. jmo

[Texas48]

Of course y'all are correct. I apologize.

I have no idea if Chad Griffs has been in Satsuma or not.

Pretty strange though when we've seen everyone else's mug sleeping in tents, pleading before cameras on TeeVee, walking around holding hands and comforting each other....good old Chad has managed to dodge the cameras...
Lucky dude.

I wonder if any of his shoes 'squeak'?Please tell me you were kidding Kathy...Now we are bring Chad and His Shoes into this mess? :ohmy:

[Texas48]

THANK YOU!!!! I remember her saying Misty was a responsible person when this first happened.You heard use the word "responsible" when talking about Misty? Just asking....I heard her say that the kids loved Misty...Have to go back and do my homework....read and read some more...

[~Dramatica~]

Good question Grma,

Answering for myself, I could never leave the last home my child was known to be.

I would fear she might come back....see everyone gone....and think no one loved her.

I would stay until she returned.... Living or deceased.

I'm pretty much on the fence in this case but I totally agree with you on this. That trailer is her home and IF she is alive I'm sure she can recite the address. If she finds her way home there will be no one home to greet her. :sad:

[emdragon]

With cell phones these days You don't have to physically be there to be supportive. I think Crystal has enough to deal with right now. Funny though I thought staying home with his kids is what a caring father did.

Yeah I love the shoulder to lean on and the arms to hold me those cell phones provide.

Yes being home to care for his kids is the responsible thing to do but he doesn't have custody so I would expect him to be by Crystal's side once his kids went home to their mother- the baby is very portable and would be a comfort for her mother.

[crymeariver2006]

Umm, because Misty is not you????

Right, and Crystal is not you.

What's your point?

Was Misty there all day Monday and, if so, why did she just notice the blanket smelling at 8 p.m.?

In one of her tv interviews, she was asked if and when Haleigh wet the bed. She replied something like "it must have been Sunday night".....

So, what took her so long to finally get around to noticing that a child had wet the bed and the blanket smelled?

Was she there on Sunday night? Was she there all day Monday?

[forensicfan]

You heard use the word "responsible" when talking about Misty? Just asking....I heard her say that the kids loved Misty...Have to go back and do my homework....read and read some more...

Yes. I believe I did. I'll try to go back and find the link because I am almost certain she did say that and I remember thinking it was very odd that the bio mom thought the 17 yr old girlfriend was so responsible.

My perspective on this whole thing is that I fail to see how with no physical evidence to support that the father, the mother or the girlfriend did anything to harm this child, posters are more willing to believe that one of them did something and is trying to cover it up when at the same time, the same lack of physical evidence to support an intruder taking Haleigh is for the most part being dismissed. I know what STATISTICS say but I am not ready to point the finger at either of the parents or girlfriend/now wife just yet.

[Peaches]

Very interesting Babble. Thanks!!

The ONLY thing is that the facts are NOT correct!

For one thing the COC was against Crystal not Ron.................

Dropped until HaLeigh found.

Saw that right off so did not bother to read the rest.

[crymeariver2006]

Can we put him down for his criminal record or is that reserved stickily for Ron?

To be fair he has been there a couple of times during interviews early on and when the accusations about Ron abusing Crystal were put out but he had to stay home with the "kids" is what we have been told to explain his absence.
But I too find it odd that he hasn't been there more to support the mother of his child.

No, he can apparently only be put down for not showing his face on tv.

:wink:

[crymeariver2006]

Like I said before, maybe she didn't know, didn't feel like it...there could be a number of reasons why she didn't do it earlier in the day. It isn't like she got up, found Haleigh missing and THEN she decided to wash the blanket.

Or is it?

Hmmmmmmm

:sneaky: