Sunday 3/22 Hope for Haleigh

[beachpatty]

Another Sunday rolls around, a time for church, a time for family, a nice dinner with the folks, today would be the perfect day for Haleigh to come home.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[rosieposett]

Morning, Patty. Thanks for the new thread. It's like having a new car to drive. :laugh: Yeppers. Today is Sunday. Church, nice lunch afterward, and time for little Haleigh to come on home. You are always so positive, Patty. I like that. Makes me positive too.

[beachpatty]

Morning, Patty. Thanks for the new thread. It's like having a new car to drive. :laugh: Yeppers. Today is Sunday. Church, nice lunch afterward, and time for little Haleigh to come on home. You are always so positive, Patty. I like that. Makes me positive too.


I try, even when things are not so good, I try to put an the happy face.
I miss the Sundays, my Granma cooking, people dropping by, always enough food to put another plate in the table. Then came old Lawrence Welk, Mom and Granma poured about an inch of Manicheitz (I know killed that spelling) filled the rest with 7 Up and sat down with "Larry", (Groan).

I bet Sunday was special for Haleigh, GGM or GM or somebody stopping by, maybe a Walmart trip, or maybe some new hair bows or ties that GM couldn't resist for her @ the checkout. I hope there were many special times and good memories, it seems so from the pics, I just hope happy times outweighed the bad.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[rosieposett]

I try, even when things are not so good, I try to put an the happy face.
I miss the Sundays, my Granma cooking, people dropping by, always enough food to put another plate in the table. Then came old Lawrence Welk, Mom and Granma poured about an inch of Manicheitz (I know killed that spelling) filled the rest with 7 Up and sat down with "Larry", (Groan).

I bet Sunday was special for Haleigh, GGM or GM or somebody stopping by, maybe a Walmart trip, or maybe some new hair bows or ties that GM couldn't resist for her @ the checkout. I hope there were many special times and good memories, it seems so from the pics, I just hope happy times outweighed the bad.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

One thing seemed certain. Little Haleigh always had a smile on her face. Someone made her life special, like you say, with little extras. You brought back memories for me with the long ago old tv shows and everyone sitting around in the same room. Nowadays it seems we are so busy the kids are in several rooms, I am in another. Hubby is in another. But we all seem content.

Yeah, I'll bet Haleigh loved those Walmart trips. My kids do. I think Haleigh was happy for the most part.

[beachpatty]

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The first charge is a felony, if she is convicted, she has screwed her whole life up :(

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[ann10]

Hey you, it's your ind friend in a new outfit!! I agree with you, why the women in his life are covering for him is beyond me. imo. :seeya:

Hi :smile: Nice to see you.

Well, some are only girls who don't know any better. I would bet that his mother was also abused, and doesn't really know any better either.

I'm just kind of amazed that this case is dragging on unsolved for as long as it is. imo.

[crymeariver2006]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3

From your link:

Also Friday, the Putnam County Sheriff's office told First Coast News that deputies were involved in looking into allegations of child abuse or neglect by Ronald Cummings three times in the last four years.

None of the incidents led to criminal charges.



So, in addition to reporting to DCF, there WERE reports to LE also.

[Texas48]

Good Morning all!

What an eye opener for those of us not familar with DCF. Thanks for posting this article. I totally agree with the author regarding Crystal. It's very interesting because when I first saw Crystal on television, she would give me this uneasy feeling. I felt that she too was hiding something. Now knowing what she allegedly went through with Ronald, and what she went through with DCF gives me a better understanding of this woman who so obviously shows signs of abuse and low self esteem.

She was fighting a non winning battle against Ronald Cummings with limited money and resources. I am so glad she got one of the best lawyers representing her. Sadly, it may be too late for Haleigh but Junior needs to get away from that abusive household if these abuse allegations turn out to be true.:sad:

It was very comforting to read this. I hadn't seen it and wondered what the sheriff's office would do in regards to these allegations.

“As DCF runs their investigation, we’ll run a parallel investigation with them and make a determination whether there’s anything to the accusations, and if so, if there’s anything criminal about it or whatever has to be done,” Schauland said.


Prayers for Haleigh wherever she may be. :rose:

and for Junior who needs to be protected. :rose:
morning n/t and I agree w/your post. Seems as DCF in every state has major problems and it is NEVER brought out untill a child dies. DCF employees are fired and thats about the extent..of course DCF is real good at giving their excuses as to why..we have heard them all so no use to repeat. I hope this is NOT the case w/Haleigh..only time will tell. I also hope Haleigh did NOT disappear at the hands of SO...I also hope NONE of the family is involved with her vanishing....where does that leave us? Back to square one? NOT many cases where there is NO or very LITTLE evidence but we have one now. Where oh where is little Haleigh?

[crymeariver2006]

Oh my goodness...Is there anyone down there that DOES NOT have a record?:scared:

Hers is actually kind of tame.

For the possession, she can agree to the counseling and not get a conviction on her record.

(Kind of like her ex-boyfriend has managed to do).

Other than that, it looks like the traffic cops down there have a full time job on their hands.

Interesting timing there on the drug arrest in relation to Haleigh's disappearance. Not saying there's a connection there, but just think it's interesting. JMO

[Texas48]

Hi :smile: Nice to see you.

Well, some are only girls who don't know any better. I would bet that his mother was also abused, and doesn't really know any better either.

I'm just kind of amazed that this case is dragging on unsolved for as long as it is. imo.Morning ann..IMO his mother was most likely an abused woman as well. Yes..this case seems to be going no where at the moment and there seems to be no end in sight unless LE has something. jmo

[Texas48]

From your link:



So, in addition to reporting to DCF, there WERE reports to LE also.There you are my friend..Very interesting ..yes? Seems like all is being brought out in the open now. Many times "things" are swept under the rugs and I do not believe that is possible this time. Have to wait and see. jmo

[ann10]

Morning ann..IMO his mother was most likely an abused woman as well. Yes..this case seems to be going no where at the moment and there seems to be no end in sight unless LE has something. jmo


So if LE knows it has a father who has been investigated for child abuse from day one, does common sense tell us that they have pursued the likely possibility that this child has vanished as a result of some parental neglect or abuse?

[SameHere1]

So Amber, shown in the mug shot in the links, is the mother of Ron's third child? Wow, she sure looks different in the mug shot than she did on her (I think) my space page (cannot find the link anywhere!).

Am I wrong? Is this another person? Sorry I can't seem to keep all these felons straight.....

[localmedium]

the reason the police took the back door is because they know that if anything happen to Haleigh it happened in front of the back door in front of the washer and dryer, because when they walked in that door they could smell a strong cleaner like pine sol. i hope im wrong and i hope they find her but that what come threw.

[n/t]

So if LE knows it has a father who has been investigated for child abuse from day one, does common sense tell us that they have pursued the likely possibility that this child has vanished as a result of some parental neglect or abuse?

Hi Ann,

I know your question wasn't addressed to me but I don't see why LE can't do a parellel investigation. They should be looking at all possibilities and this alleged abuse may very well be the clue they're missing.

[ann10]

Hi Ann,

I know your question wasn't addressed to me but I don't see why LE can't do a parellel investigation. They should be looking at all possibilities and this alleged abuse may very well be the clue they're missing.

Hi nt,

I wonder, rather, if that is the foremost angle that has been pursued?

[Owlface]

Hi nt,

I wonder, rather, if that is the foremost angle that has been pursued?

I believe LE would be remiss if they didn't consider that the lifestyles of all involved had something to do with Haleigh being "missing."

Law enforcement 101 says that statistically if someone is hurt they clear the family first. Apparently they haven't been able to clear any of the family. LE 101 also says "When you hear hoof beats don't think zebras." There's plenty of family members to look at before they go looking at stranger abduction, not to mention no physical evidence of a stranger in the mobile home. JMHO

[Elle]

Good morning, sorry if this has already been posted

Geraldo 3/21/09 part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqA0eCPYWOo

Geraldo 3/21/09 part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUre48-GmRI

:rose: Haleigh

[n/t]

Hi nt,

I wonder, rather, if that is the foremost angle that has been pursued?

IIRC, the amber alert was issued later (not immediately) or maybe I'm getting the cases mixed up. If so, this would lead me to believe that they believed at the time that Haleigh was indeed abducted by a stranger but now that these allegations have come forward they may be looking at this case differently? They never did rule out any of the family members so there is that missing puzzle that they still have yet to find and perhaps this could be it.

Does anyone know what day of the week it was when Haleigh was reported missing? CRS. :blushing:

[n/t]

If it was 2/9, that was a Monday N/T.

Thanks ...had a theory but if it was a Monday, my theory doesn't make sense. lol

[n/t]

Thanks so the Amber Alert was issued 2 days later? After ruling out that Haleigh couldn't have wandered off.

[n/t]

Thanks ...had a theory but if it was a Monday, my theory doesn't make sense. lol


Quoting myself...and please forgive me. Would this be Monday at 3 am which would be Tuesday early morning or Sunday at 3 am which would make it a Monday?

nevermind.....I just remembered Haleigh was at school that Monday.

[bookie]

There you are my friend..Very interesting ..yes? Seems like all is being brought out in the open now. Many times "things" are swept under the rugs and I do not believe that is possible this time. Have to wait and see. jmo


Swept under the rug? It looks more and more like false complaints lodged. DCF and the police investigated and found nothing wrong.

[ann10]

IIRC, the amber alert was issued later (not immediately) or maybe I'm getting the cases mixed up. If so, this would lead me to believe that they believed at the time that Haleigh was indeed abducted by a stranger but now that these allegations have come forward they may be looking at this case differently? They never did rule out any of the family members so there is that missing puzzle that they still have yet to find and perhaps this could be it.

Does anyone know what day of the week it was when Haleigh was reported missing? CRS. :blushing:


The other unanswerable question is when was the child last seen by someone other than Ron and Misty?

[crymeariver2006]

Swept under the rug? It looks more and more like false complaints lodged. DCF and the police investigated and found nothing wrong.

But no one was charged with filing a false complaint.

It would be interesting to know how many days lapsed between the time of the complaints and when they were checked out.

We know now that DCF as well as LE were called in reference to any abuse claims.

[bookie]

But no one was charged with filing a false complaint.

It would be interesting to know how many days lapsed between the time of the complaints and when they were checked out.

We know now that DCF as well as LE were called in reference to any abuse claims.



Not all false claims are prosecuted. If the police thought her complaints were real they wouldn't charge her.

We know she made atleast one false claim before. She knew there was a fall at school but she's trying to claim the bruises are from abuse with nothing to back it up. IMO she should be charged with making a false report on that one.

[Owlface]

Swept under the rug? It looks more and more like false complaints lodged. DCF and the police investigated and found nothing wrong.

Well if you mean by "found nothing wrong" that they discovered Jr. had been hit with a stick and they found that an acceptable form of punishment then okay.

Just because it could not be substantiated doesn't mean nothing was wrong.

[Owlface]

Not all false claims are prosecuted. If the police thought her complaints were real they wouldn't charge her.

We know she made atleast one false claim before. She knew there was a fall at school but she's trying to claim the bruises are from abuse with nothing to back it up. IMO she should be charged with making a false report on that one.

Bolding mine - Are you presenting this as fact or is it your opinion?

[Owlface]

http://halfpint42592.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/shame-on-you-crystal-sheffield/

Her opinion. You know what they say about opinions.

[crymeariver2006]

Her opinion. You know what they say about opinions.

None of her commenters agreed with her.

[Owlface]

http://afterhoursfriends.com/?tag=crystal-sheffield

From the link - "Sykes reports that Ronald Jr was interviewed by 3 different child psychologists and he kept changing his story. That when asked about the same things in different ways his story changed."

Perhaps his story changed because Misty got a hold of him and told him what he should say. This is exactly why Misty should not have been allowed to be alone with Jr. after that night, if indeed she was.

[CANDYKISSES]

Not all false claims are prosecuted. If the police thought her complaints were real they wouldn't charge her.

We know she made atleast one false claim before. She knew there was a fall at school but she's trying to claim the bruises are from abuse with nothing to back it up. IMO she should be charged with making a false report on that one.


Hearing from Kim as she told the GR panel about how normally she would IN HER OWN ARENA SHE WOULD STRUT HER STUFF AS SHE USUALLY DOES IN FAMILY COURT...but but but, the only thing I am left with from that exchange is NOT ANYTHING LIKE SHE TRIED TO PEDAL, rather that her client comes TO COURT AS NOT CREDIBLE and needs to win by default herself. JMOOC.

She is another example of what gives women in general a bad rap IMO. She thinks that in a case like this where she is trying to sell grave danger regarding a child, the idea of "strut my stuff" and the misleading photos are going to carry the day. I believe she is sadly mistaken and nobody is going to buy what she is selling other than the enablers of Geraldo and Craig. JMO tho. :cursing:

BRING HALEIGH HOME!

[n/t]

The other unanswerable question is when was the child last seen by someone other than Ron and Misty?

Apparently great grandma brought clean clothes over at around 7, IIRC. I'm not sure I believe this because of 2 reasons. If they had their own washing machine (and we know this because Misty claims to have washed blankets that night) why would great grandma do the laundry? Also, IIRC she said she saw the children having dinner. Did the children always have dinner at that late hour? IMO, 7 is late to have dinner on a school night. So they had dinner at 7 and then put to bed at 8? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Apparently an AC guy was there but as far as I know it hasn't been confirmed if he saw Haleigh. Then I believe there was cousin Joe there but I'm still unclear if it was Cousin Joe or a brother in law or who exactly it was that was at the house.

[CANDYKISSES]

Swept under the rug? It looks more and more like false complaints lodged. DCF and the police investigated and found nothing wrong.

I wonder if the obligation to support was accruing at the time? This would be a motivating factor IMO and probably putting a cramp in her living IMO. :unsure: JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Shame on Ron Cummings that left a barely 17 yr old in charge of his two children.

moo

And it's not even her age, it's the fact that Ron just meets Misty and moves her into his home and exposes his children to her.

He knew little to nothing about her, her associates, her background....but there she is playing instant house with him and being substitute "Mommy" and having more physical contact with the children than he did since he worked 10 hour days/nights.

For all he knew, she could have had half of the known RSO's in that area in her family tree and any one of them would have easy access to those children.

And IF what Cobra says is true, when confronted with Misty's past activities, Ron just shrugs it off like he knows all about it. No biggie to him.

You're right, shame on him for his lack of judgment in finding caretakers for his children.

JMO

[CC I See]

Apparently great grandma brought clean clothes over at around 7, IIRC. I'm not sure I believe this because of 2 reasons. If they had their own washing machine (and we know this because Misty claims to have washed blankets that night) why would great grandma do the laundry? Also, IIRC she said she saw the children having dinner. Did the children always have dinner at that late hour? IMO, 7 is late to have dinner on a school night. So they had dinner at 7 and then put to bed at 8? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Apparently an AC guy was there but as far as I know it hasn't been confirmed if he saw Haleigh. Then I believe there was cousin Joe there but I'm still unclear if it was Cousin Joe or a brother in law or who exactly it was that was at the house..... and also don't forget that the children watched two movies. When did they do that?

[Owlface]

Apparently great grandma brought clean clothes over at around 7, IIRC. I'm not sure I believe this because of 2 reasons. If they had their own washing machine (and we know this because Misty claims to have washed blankets that night) why would great grandma do the laundry? Also, IIRC she said she saw the children having dinner. Did the children always have dinner at that late hour? IMO, 7 is late to have dinner on a school night. So they had dinner at 7 and then put to bed at 8? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Apparently an AC guy was there but as far as I know it hasn't been confirmed if he saw Haleigh. Then I believe there was cousin Joe there but I'm still unclear if it was Cousin Joe or a brother in law or who exactly it was that was at the house.

Bolding mine I don't believe anything great grandma says because she is just another Ron apologist. Wasn't she also the one who said Ron would never hurt the children? I call a stick to Jr's leg hurting him. If I'm confusing GGM and TN I apologize. I also don't believe GGM because of her timing - she didn't say she was there until the rumor was brought up that Misty wasn't there. And, first she said it was a family member, then she said it was her.

[CC I See]

And it's not even her age, it's the fact that Ron just meets Misty and moves her into his home and exposes his children to her.

He knew little to nothing about her, her associates, her background....but there she is playing instant house with him and being substitute "Mommy" and having more physical contact with the children than he did since he worked 10 hour days/nights.

For all he knew, she could have had half of the known RSO's in that area in her family tree and any one of them would have easy access to those children.

And IF what Cobra says is true, when confronted with Misty's past activities, Ron just shrugs it off like he knows all about it. No biggie to him.

You're right, shame on him for his lack of judgment in finding caretakers for his children.

JMO....yes, but don't you see, he needed her just like he does now and that makes all the difference.

[n/t]

.... and also don't forget that the children watched two movies. When did they do that?

Ahhh...good catch. I forgot about the movies!

[Elle]

Apparently great grandma brought clean clothes over at around 7, IIRC. I'm not sure I believe this because of 2 reasons. If they had their own washing machine (and we know this because Misty claims to have washed blankets that night) why would great grandma do the laundry? Also, IIRC she said she saw the children having dinner. Did the children always have dinner at that late hour? IMO, 7 is late to have dinner on a school night. So they had dinner at 7 and then put to bed at 8? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Apparently an AC guy was there but as far as I know it hasn't been confirmed if he saw Haleigh. Then I believe there was cousin Joe there but I'm still unclear if it was Cousin Joe or a brother in law or who exactly it was that was at the house.

I do not think 7 is late for dinner, at least not in my house it's not. I also do not think that a ggm washing clothes of her ggc that had been left at her house and dropping them off strange. Several times I have left my childrens clothes at my mothers and she always washes them before giving them back. I think that it would have been stranger if she brought back a pile of dirty clothes for them to wash, just because they had a washing machine.

imo

[Owlface]

I wonder if the obligation to support was accruing at the time? This would be a motivating factor IMO and probably putting a cramp in her living IMO. :unsure: JMO

It would not be a motivating factor because there is NOTHING that can forgive CS arrears. I do not understand why CS is seen as a motivating factor for Crystal having anything to do with Haleigh's "disappearance." CS for just Jr. is not much less than it is for the 2 of them.

[n/t]

Bolding mine I don't believe anything great grandma says because she is just another Ron apologist. Wasn't she also the one who said Ron would never hurt the children? I call a stick to Jr's leg hurting him. If I'm confusing GGM and TN I apologize. I also don't believe GGM because of her timing - she didn't say she was there until the rumor was brought up that Misty wasn't there. And, first she said it was a family member, then she said it was her.

Yup, I remember that too. It was after the reports came out that Misty may have not been there that night is when GGM comes out with the story that she brought over some clean clothes. I didn't believe it then and don't believe it now.

Yes, hitting a child with a stick and leaving marks on their bodies is no big deal :cursing:

[Owlface]

I wonder if the obligation to support was accruing at the time? This would be a motivating factor IMO and probably putting a cramp in her living IMO. :unsure: JMO

It would not be a motivating factor because there is NOTHING that can forgive CS arrears. I do not understand why CS is seen as a motivating factor for Crystal having anything to do with Haleigh's "disappearance." CS for just Jr. is not much less than it is for the 2 of them.

[n/t]

I do not think 7 is late for dinner, at least not in my house it's not. I also do not think that a ggm washing clothes of her ggc that had been left at her house and dropping them off strange. Several times I have left my childrens clothes at my mothers and she always washes them before giving them back. I think that it would have been stranger if she brought back a pile of dirty clothes for them to wash, just because they had a washing machine.

imo

Your missing the point. The timeline is not adding up. Think about it. And that's why LE is having a difficult time with it. It does not make sense!

I wouldn't have a problem with GGM saying early on that she was there but it only came out days later when there were allegations that Misty was out that night. Why didn't she go to LE and tell this sooner?

[crymeariver2006]

I do not think 7 is late for dinner, at least not in my house it's not. I also do not think that a ggm washing clothes of her ggc that had been left at her house and dropping them off strange. Several times I have left my childrens clothes at my mothers and she always washes them before giving them back. I think that it would have been stranger if she brought back a pile of dirty clothes for them to wash, just because they had a washing machine.

imo

Would that mean she had clothes for them at her house all the time? 'Cause if she changed their clothes at her house because they were dirty, where did she get the clothes from to change them in to before they went home?

Do they always go to GGM Sykes house with clean clothes to change in to?

To me, it's more likely that the *rumor* of Misty being gone all weekend is probably true and GGM Sykes was doing the laundry that Misty wasn't there to do. IIRC, Misty is the one who admits being exhausted from her "big weekend".

JMO

[n/t]

Good point about the GGM coming forward after the rumor.

moo

It wasn't even GGM at first, they said a family member and then the story morphed and GGM was the chosen one.

[KKKKKKatie]

Apparently great grandma brought clean clothes over at around 7, IIRC. I'm not sure I believe this because of 2 reasons. If they had their own washing machine (and we know this because Misty claims to have washed blankets that night) why would great grandma do the laundry? Also, IIRC she said she saw the children having dinner. Did the children always have dinner at that late hour? IMO, 7 is late to have dinner on a school night. So they had dinner at 7 and then put to bed at 8? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Apparently an AC guy was there but as far as I know it hasn't been confirmed if he saw Haleigh. Then I believe there was cousin Joe there but I'm still unclear if it was Cousin Joe or a brother in law or who exactly it was that was at the house.Morning n/t :wub:

I often times, when I baby sit the Grands, will keep the clothes I changed them out of at my house and wash them here. Not sure why but I guess to lighten my daughters load and so I have an excuse to go by her house and drop them off. lol

The 8:00 bedtime....didn't Misty say that she "put them to bed" (Haleigh in their room and Jr. on the couch) to watch movies? Maybe that is why so soon after dinner? Or do I have that wrong?

[CC I See]

Would that mean she had clothes for them at her house all the time? 'Cause if she changed their clothes at her house because they were dirty, where did she get the clothes from to change them in to before they went home?

Do they always go to GGM Sykes house with clean clothes to change in to?

To me, it's more likely that the *rumor* of Misty being gone all weekend is probably true and GGM Sykes was doing the laundry that Misty wasn't there to do. IIRC, Misty is the one who admits being exhausted from her "big weekend".

JMO....like many big extended families clothes are passed around for those who need them especially kids clothes that they outgrow so often. I bet grandma has a closet full of clothes ready to trade and give.

[CC I See]

Morning n/t :wub:

I often times, when I baby sit the Grands, will keep the clothes I changed them out of at my house and wash them here. Not sure why but I guess to lighten my daughters load and so I have an excuse to go by her house and drop them off. lol

The 8:00 bedtime....didn't Misty say that she "put them to bed" (Haleigh in their room and Jr. on the couch) to watch movies? Maybe that is why so soon after dinner? Or do I have that wrong?....if Jr. was on the couch and woke up because the couch was jumping, could that mean that the floor was bouncing instead? So where was Misty and Haleigh during this time and when did Jr. get put in the bed Misty and Ron used and more importantly WHY?

[Owlface]

I wonder if the obligation to support was accruing at the time? This would be a motivating factor IMO and probably putting a cramp in her living IMO. :unsure: JMO

It would not be a motivating factor because there is NOTHING that can forgive CS arrears. I do not understand why CS is seen as a motivating factor for Crystal having anything to do with Haleigh's "disappearance." CS for just Jr. is not much less than it is for the 2 of them.

[KKKKKKatie]

....if Jr. was on the couch and woke up because the couch was jumping, could that mean that the floor was bouncing instead? So where was Misty and Haleigh during this time and when did Jr. get put in the bed Misty and Ron used and more importantly WHY?


Heck CC...I have no idea! This case drives me nuts!! lol Too many players that just IMO aren't credible!!

[crymeariver2006]

....like many big extended families clothes are passed around for those who need them especially kids clothes that they outgrow so often. I bet grandma has a closet full of clothes ready to trade and give.

So did Zanny the Nanny! :ohmy:

:tonguewag:

[KKKKKKatie]

Connie's MySpace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=409471457


I am behind Swarvie...who is Connie??

[n/t]

Morning n/t :wub:

I often times, when I baby sit the Grands, will keep the clothes I changed them out of at my house and wash them here. Not sure why but I guess to lighten my daughters load and so I have an excuse to go by her house and drop them off. lol

The 8:00 bedtime....didn't Misty say that she "put them to bed" (Haleigh in their room and Jr. on the couch) to watch movies? Maybe that is why so soon after dinner? Or do I have that wrong?

Morning:wub:

My mom does the same with Christina's and the twins clothes. I'm not saying it didn't happen Katie. I just think the timing and the way it was said is suspicious as pointed out by myself and others in the posts.

I clearly remember Teresa saying it was a family member and then it turned out to be GGM.....why not say GGM to begin with?

Everything is so convoluted with this case. I just get the feeling that people are covering up for each other. Why? What are they hiding?

Not sure when Misty said they watched movies. Maybe someone can clarify that. However, I do remember Misty mumbling something about it being a school night and that's why the kids were in bed by 8!!

[crymeariver2006]

I am behind Swarvie...who is Connie??

Crystal's step-mother.

[KKKKKKatie]

Morning:wub:

My mom does the same with Christina's and the twins clothes. I'm not saying it didn't happen Katie. I just think the timing and the way it was said is suspicious as pointed out by myself and others in the posts.

I clearly remember Teresa saying it was a family member and then it turned out to be GGM.....why not say GGM to begin with?

Everything is so convoluted with this case. I just get the feeling that people are covering up for each other. Why? What are they hiding?

Not sure when Misty said they watched movies. Maybe someone can clarify that. However, I do remember Misty mumbling something about it being a school night and that's why the kids were in bed by 8!!


Yep...this case is a doozie and amongst all of the finger pointing and attorney's there is still a little girl missing! It is shamefull! :sad:

[KKKKKKatie]

Crystal's step-mother.


Thanks cry....

[Owlface]

Morning:wub:

My mom does the same with Christina's and the twins clothes. I'm not saying it didn't happen Katie. I just think the timing and the way it was said is suspicious as pointed out by myself and others in the posts.

I clearly remember Teresa saying it was a family member and then it turned out to be GGM.....why not say GGM to begin with?

Everything is so convoluted with this case. I just get the feeling that people are covering up for each other. Why? What are they hiding?

Not sure when Misty said they watched movies. Maybe someone can clarify that. However, I do remember Misty mumbling something about it being a school night and that's why the kids were in bed by 8!!

Bolding mine - I remember that recitation by Misty "Okay..." To me her attitude was "Okay here's the story now and I'm sticking to it!"

[KKKKKKatie]

Until people knew that we could get gadgets to put in our houses to watch caretakers of our children, caretakers have been accused of terrible things done to them. So for years and years before, this has happened even with people we trust.
I'm not sure what people expect, even in this day and age, we cannot control every moment of our lives. No matter what precautions are taken.
I will also say, plenty of people use teens to babysit. Have for centuries and will continue to do so.
jmo

My daughter uses teens to babysit her 3 (as did I for my kids)....but not as a primary caregiver. Maybe for a few hours but that is all. Totally different thing what Misty was responsible for IMO

[Owlface]

Until people knew that we could get gadgets to put in our houses to watch caretakers of our children, caretakers have been accused of terrible things done to them. So for years and years before, this has happened even with people we trust.
I'm not sure what people expect, even in this day and age, we cannot control every moment of our lives. No matter what precautions are taken.
I will also say, plenty of people use teens to babysit. Have for centuries and will continue to do so.
jmo

Bolding mine - The issue is not that Ron used a teenager to babysit it's that he brought a teenager into his home and entrusted the majority of their care to her. Misty spent more time with the children than he did. This is a lot more than babysitting.

[crymeariver2006]

Until people knew that we could get gadgets to put in our houses to watch caretakers of our children, caretakers have been accused of terrible things done to them. So for years and years before, this has happened even with people we trust.
I'm not sure what people expect, even in this day and age, we cannot control every moment of our lives. No matter what precautions are taken.
I will also say, plenty of people use teens to babysit. Have for centuries and will continue to do so.
jmo

As I said, it's not so much her age. She was instant 24/7 caregiver.

Plenty of people use teens to babysit, that's true. But how many move them into their home, sleep in the same bed with them, and expose their children to them without even a cursory check into their backgrounds?

[n/t]

Bolding mine - I remember that recitation by Misty "Okay..." To me her attitude was "Okay here's the story now and I'm sticking to it!"

So true! That's exactly how it sounded. Recital! Like children do. Even her body language was so child like.

[KKKKKKatie]

Bolding mine - The issue is not that Ron used a teenager to babysit it's that he brought a teenager into his home and entrusted the majority of their care to her. Misty spent more time with the children than he did. This is a lot more than babysitting.

Thinking about my own babysitting days.....at 15/16 I would have been scared to death to be at home alone with the kids during the overnight hours.....but that was just me I guess :shrug:

[CC I See]

Until people knew that we could get gadgets to put in our houses to watch caretakers of our children, caretakers have been accused of terrible things done to them. So for years and years before, this has happened even with people we trust.
I'm not sure what people expect, even in this day and age, we cannot control every moment of our lives. No matter what precautions are taken.
I will also say, plenty of people use teens to babysit. Have for centuries and will continue to do so.
jmo....and your statement is right, but in this day and age, I would never leave my kids with a teen to babysit. I would either take the children with me, have family watch them or stay home before I would ever consider such a thing. There is too much meanness and crime in the world which is enough challenge for an adult let alone a teen with little experience handling it. There are no safe havens anymore I am sad to say and firmly believe.

[beachpatty]

I am behind Swarvie...who is Connie??


Thank you for asking, I was just about to :unsure:

[beachpatty]

Ok, now I'm really confused.....
Crystal;s stepmother is 29? and is she the mother of Chad, Crystals's bf/fiance/Crystal's new babys daddy?

Sorry, I thought I was keeping up pretty well, maybe I missed a page or two?

Many TIA,
Beachpatty

[KKKKKKatie]

So, what is anyone doing to find Haleigh??? Are there any searches? Are Ron and Crystal out looking? Any family or friends out looking?

What the heck is going on???? :cursing:

[KKKKKKatie]

Not really. Thats why I said this: I'm not sure what people expect, even in this day and age, we cannot control every moment of our lives. No matter what precautions are taken.
Something could have happened during the times the babysitter had your grandchildren, and thank God it didn't.
But as we have come to know even with the parent/parents in the home, things happen. Day and night.
jmo

What you say is true doneit....but I really believe that most people would not choose to have a teen as the primary caregiver. As you say....things can happen...but why would anyone choose to tempt fate?

Don't get me wrong....I am not on either side here....I don't think either one of these "parents" are fit to take care of these kids IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

How many people on here ran background checks on their spouses?? Or the people they date, then marry???
jmo

I did :blushing:

[KKKKKKatie]

I remember babysitting at 11 on up. The woman was single with 2 kids. She usually left around 9 at night and didn't come home till almost daybreak.


You are braver than I doneit! But then I was always a scardy(sp) cat :lol:

[Owlface]

How many people on here ran background checks on their spouses?? Or the people they date, then marry???
jmo

That Misty was a 16 year old runaway, or whatever you want to call it, would tell me all I needed to know about her.

[Owlface]

And there are plenty more out there. The only reason we know about this is because of Haleigh missing. I don't believe the child who has gone missing with the parents at home was choosing to tempt fate.
jmo

Some people do do everything right and something still happens. I don't think that's the case here.

[KKKKKKatie]

And there are plenty more out there. The only reason we know about this is because of Haleigh missing. I don't believe the child who has gone missing with the parents at home was choosing to tempt fate.
jmo


I didn't say that now did I?

We will have to agree to disagree on this one....IMO a child of 15/16 should not be the primary caregiver...anywhere.....anytime.

[Adalena935]

Hi Ann,

I know your question wasn't addressed to me but I don't see why LE can't do a parellel investigation. They should be looking at all possibilities and this alleged abuse may very well be the clue they're missing.

From the early days of the investigation LE was on tv live telling the public; "..keep in mind this is what they're telling us...we can't be certain..." and that child protective services has investigated him numerous times before Haleigh was reported missing. Source: CNN, Fox

Remember at one of their pressors they said they have a lot but they're keeping it to themselves for the integrity of the investigation.

[crymeariver2006]

Ok, now I'm really confused.....
Crystal;s stepmother is 29? and is she the mother of Chad, Crystals's bf/fiance/Crystal's new babys daddy?

Sorry, I thought I was keeping up pretty well, maybe I missed a page or two?

Many TIA,
Beachpatty

No, Connie Sheffield is not Chad Griffis' mother.

Connie is now married to Crystal's dad.

Connie is Crystal's STEP-mother.

She is not Chad's mother.

[Adalena935]

If it was 2/9, that was a Monday N/T.

It was February 10th, a Tuesday.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=63252

[KKKKKKatie]

We have 1 so far. Good for you. But in reality, does it really mean anything??
Going off your post, lets say I did a background check on mine. He had nothing wrong but down the road, its because they were never caught. Then come to find out some of the horrible things they may have done.
My point is, we never never really know. BTK comes to mind right now.
jmo

We can never protect our kids 100%.....100% of the time. But we can be prudent and diligent in the decisions that we make. Doesn't guarantee anything but it can help to rule out some really bad people IMO

There are no guarantees in life...

[beachpatty]

Thanx guys, I thought I was losing it!

[KKKKKKatie]

Not brave, just didn't know what I know now. LOL


LOL Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

[Mimi428]

The last thing I would describe Misty as is child like. After her sobbing woe is me first appearance, she sure transformed the morning of the license application. That day was when Misty morphed into her true self. Attitude, and her gangsta like speech.

moo

Yes, that was a bit of a revelation, wasn't it?

I watched it a couple of times & kept thinking to myself - "Misty - I think the REAL you has finally shown up".

JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't know what to say Sw. It is what it is.

But I so have a ?. Couldn't something have happened while you were babysitting at 8 pm?? Thats why I keep saying, sometimes we have no control over some circumstances.
jmo


I have a dear friend who had to work to pay her tuition to the private High School we went to. At 15 she would stay with 3 kids the entire weekend....every weekend :scared:

When we talk about it now she is appalled that it was allowed....but like you...she says it was what it was. No going back now.

Of course this was in the 60's...things were very different then.

[doctor_J]

Bolding mine - The issue is not that Ron used a teenager to babysit it's that he brought a teenager into his home and entrusted the majority of their care to her. Misty spent more time with the children than he did. This is a lot more than babysitting.

A custodial parent has to be the breadwinner. By definition, this requires that someone else is with the children more hours than him during the week. 10 hours work,7 hours sleep. Do the math. Hiring daycare is expensive on a labours salary and is often a much worse option than having someone keep them at home. Misti was 17, not 14. And they were not infants. He had known her and her family as neighbors for years. She had experience with nieces and nephews. She seemed to me a good choice as babysitter, just not as live-in lover. Ron only worked 4 days a week to get in 40 hours so he got 3 full days with them every other weekend.

Consider for a minute if she is totally innocent and has already told the whole truth.People want more of a story, more to work with but what if there isn't more. I believe her because she has refused to embellish a very simple horrifying story even under intense pressure to do so. It is what it is.

Of course, i could be wrong and she could be a killer. But I seldom misjudge someone that seems so transparent and innocent. I don't even think she understands why people say she is inconsistent.That's why she said "I don't know". I don't know either.

[Peaches]

http://halfpint42592.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/shame-on-you-crystal-sheffield/


Thank you very much for this article!

I agree with all that was stated...................BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!

:thumbsup:

[Peaches]

Hearing from Kim as she told the GR panel about how normally she would IN HER OWN ARENA SHE WOULD STRUT HER STUFF AS SHE USUALLY DOES IN FAMILY COURT...but but but, the only thing I am left with from that exchange is NOT ANYTHING LIKE SHE TRIED TO PEDAL, rather that her client comes TO COURT AS NOT CREDIBLE and needs to win by default herself. JMOOC.

She is another example of what gives women in general a bad rap IMO. She thinks that in a case like this where she is trying to sell grave danger regarding a child, the idea of "strut my stuff" and the misleading photos are going to carry the day. I believe she is sadly mistaken and nobody is going to buy what she is selling other than the enablers of Geraldo and Craig. JMO tho. :cursing:

BRING HALEIGH HOME!


Good Morning Candy Kisses,

It is great seeing you today. Thank you for your post last night.

It seems that some only want to read post if it agrees with their own thoughts.................

Anyway..........I hope that HaLeigh Ann-Marie will be found today. I hope that she is alive and she will be returned to the home where she was cared for and loved.

BTW............your post always say exactly what I wish I had said. I agree with them 100%.

[Tornado]

The last thing I would describe Misty as is child like. After her sobbing woe is me first appearance, she sure transformed the morning of the license application. That day was when Misty morphed into her true self. Attitude, and her gangsta like speech.

moo

ITA- completely in line with her Myspace as well.

[Mamie]

Thank you very much for this article!

I agree with all that was stated...................BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!

:thumbsup:

I, too, agree with all that was stated in this article. Thank you, momofamarine, for giving us the link!

[doctor_J]

The last thing I would describe Misty as is child like. After her sobbing woe is me first appearance, she sure transformed the morning of the license application. That day was when Misty morphed into her true self. Attitude, and her gangsta like speech.

moo

Gangsta like speech? what do you mean. Seemed like a silly, giddy, teenager who believes she's "in love" to me. Of course, she's probably clueless what love is at 17 but I sure saw no malice or arrogance in it.

[Adalena935]

The fact LE has talked openly about Misty's inconsistencies coupled with the fact LE hasen't cleared either Ron or Misty tells me they aren't buying their hokey story(s).

A kidnapper who broke in without any sign of breakin thru a deadbolted/secure house; bio-dad and teenage g/f know because they're positive it's deadbolted/secure; no way anyone could break in, but they broke in anyway and they didn't doit! altho no one knew what they didn't doit was. but brought a cinderblock to a kidnapping without knowing he'd need one to kidnapp a child he couldn't have known was there so he can leave the kitchen light on so someone can easily recognize him, so teenage g/f can say O look! The kidnapper was here. And teenage g/f wakes up just before dad gets home after playing musical beds during her inconsistent interviews. Dad knew everything about the situation the first minute he was home without having talked to teenage babysitter/g/f. He knew the crime that it was a kidnapping, he knew how many intruders didn't leave marks of breakin, he knew the gender of the offender and he was gonna kill him. Days later we learn he has an extensive rap sheet and history of physical violence.

Misty said Haleigh was in her room, but seperate bed, jr was in a separate room. no wait that's not right jr was in bed too; that's right they were all in bed together even though they moved to a bigger house so they could all have their own bedrooms. no wait Haleigh was in the same room but seperate bed and jr. was in bed with her. No wait...that's not right let's try again.

BTW she got up to goto the bathroom, but didn't use the bathroom closest to her she used the other one instead. No wait that's not right, she got up to get a drink of water because she had to notice the kitchen light on. Yeah, that'll work.

but don't forget the house was secure and deadbolted; because they always check it and they're sure it was deadbolted. She couldn't have wandered off because they're so potitive it was an intruder who STOLE his chil...

how special

doj.gov

95.1% of children are harmed by a bio-parent.

[doctor_J]

:confused: wasn't that "strut my stuff" comment by KP really over the top and unp:confused:rofessional?

[Peaches]

I do not think 7 is late for dinner, at least not in my house it's not. I also do not think that a ggm washing clothes of her ggc that had been left at her house and dropping them off strange. Several times I have left my childrens clothes at my mothers and she always washes them before giving them back. I think that it would have been stranger if she brought back a pile of dirty clothes for them to wash, just because they had a washing machine.

imo


Elle..............and bringing the clothes back is another reason to visit.

7:00 pm for dinner............with all the activities of children today......dance/swim lessons/sports/etc...............many people eat late............

These children have snacks when they get home from school..........go to their activitie...........then eat ..........do homework........get baths...........go to bed. Nothing strange about that.

Some ggm/gm will visit their house to help out so that the parents have more time to spend with their children one on one.........playing/helping with homework/etc.

[Owlface]

A custodial parent has to be the breadwinner. By definition, this requires that someone else is with the children more hours than him during the week. 10 hours work,7 hours sleep. Do the math. Hiring daycare is expensive on a labours salary and is often a much worse option than having someone keep them at home. Misti was 17, not 14. And they were not infants. He had known her and her family as neighbors for years. She had experience with nieces and nephews. She seemed to me a good choice as babysitter, just not as live-in lover. Ron only worked 4 days a week to get in 40 hours so he got 3 full days with them every other weekend.

Consider for a minute if she is totally innocent and has already told the whole truth.People want more of a story, more to work with but what if there isn't more. I believe her because she has refused to embellish a very simple horrifying story even under intense pressure to do so. It is what it is.

Of course, i could be wrong and she could be a killer. But I seldom misjudge someone that seems so transparent and innocent. I don't even think she understands why people say she is inconsistent.That's why she said "I don't know". I don't know either.

I don't agree with anything you have said. She doesn't in the least strike me as an innocent - did you read on her blog where she told Amber she has her man and now she'll get her child? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recite what one did the night before and she can't even get that right. It's not about embellishing a story - she can't even consistently relate what she did the previous evening and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it's because she's LYING. That's why she says I don't know because she doesn't want to tell the truth about her activities the previous evening.

[Mamie]

I have a problem with the cummings family. LE has stated there is something wrong with misty's timeline, so why are Teresa and GGM defending her? The only reason I can think of, is that by defending misty they are actually covering for ronald.

I am disturbed by the late night washing by misty.

Are you talking about when she washed the blanket that Haleigh had wet---or other times when she did the laundry at night? The reason I ask is if the weather is humid during the day, maybe it's easier to do the laundry at night. Also, I know that the power companies appreciate people not using their home appliances during peak hours so that we can avoid blackouts or even brownouts during those times. JMO

P.S. Not saying that Misty would have paid attention to the power company's wishes in her area, as a typical teenager, but it's a possibility. JMO

[Peaches]

Morning n/t :wub:

I often times, when I baby sit the Grands, will keep the clothes I changed them out of at my house and wash them here. Not sure why but I guess to lighten my daughters load and so I have an excuse to go by her house and drop them off. lol

The 8:00 bedtime....didn't Misty say that she "put them to bed" (Haleigh in their room and Jr. on the couch) to watch movies? Maybe that is why so soon after dinner? Or do I have that wrong?


You post is correct..............

KKKKKKatie...........many mothers love to help with their grandchildren.......giving their own children more time for important things...............like playing with their babies/helping them with their homework/etc.

For the life of me............I see nothing wrong with this. It is called LOVE..............giving of yourself if more important than money any day to me.

[playnice]

Are you talking about when she washed the blanket that Haleigh had wet---or other times when she did the laundry at night? The reason I ask is if the weather is humid during the day, maybe it's easier to do the laundry at night. Also, I know that the power companies appreciate people not using their home appliances during peak hours so that we can avoid blackouts or even brownouts during those times. JMO

P.S. Not saying that Misty would have paid attention to the power company's wishes in her area, as a typical teenager, but it's a possibility. JMO

I have 2 hours of shows on Sunday night. I like to do laundry then and fold and put away on commercials. Im actually watching tv and getting work done too.

[SwineFeld]

I posted a link here the other day where she left a comment on her cousins myspace and it said something along the lines of "I can't go home. My dad kicked me out." She also said her dad kicked her one brother and his wife out at the same time. The date she left the comment was on Sept 26, 2008.

That Misty was a 16 year old runaway, or whatever you want to call it, would tell me all I needed to know about her.

[Peaches]

They probably do and we just don't know it. At least I hope they do.



Hello doneit................it is soooooooooooooo good to see you today.

Thank you for your post.

Maybe today will be the day they find HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings.

[doctor_J]

I don't agree with anything you have said. She doesn't in the least strike me as an innocent - did you read on her blog where she told Amber she has her man and now she'll get her child? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recite what one did the night before and she can't even get that right. It's not about embellishing a story - she can't even consistently relate what she did the previous evening and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it's because she's LYING. That's why she says I don't know because she doesn't want to tell the truth about her activities the previous evening.

I'm confused about the Myspace comments. I read them when first posted.Under a nic something like"Bring hayleigh Home" or "I love you Hayleigh". When I clicked on the nick, it took me to a Myspace that was not Misti. How do you know it was Misti since it was a nic??

[Peaches]

It would not be a motivating factor because there is NOTHING that can forgive CS arrears. I do not understand why CS is seen as a motivating factor for Crystal having anything to do with Haleigh's "disappearance." CS for just Jr. is not much less than it is for the 2 of them.




What???????????????????

[odyssey]

And it's not even her age, it's the fact that Ron just meets Misty and moves her into his home and exposes his children to her.

He knew little to nothing about her, her associates, her background....but there she is playing instant house with him and being substitute "Mommy" and having more physical contact with the children than he did since he worked 10 hour days/nights.

For all he knew, she could have had half of the known RSO's in that area in her family tree and any one of them would have easy access to those children.

And IF what Cobra says is true, when confronted with Misty's past activities, Ron just shrugs it off like he knows all about it. No biggie to him.

You're right, shame on him for his lack of judgment in finding caretakers for his children.

JMO

What happened to not trashing the parent of a missing child and not judging someone since you have not walked a mile in their shoes?

Isn't that what you said yesterday? :confused:

[KKKKKKatie]

Hello doneit................it is soooooooooooooo good to see you today.

Thank you for your post.

Maybe today will be the day they find HaLeigh Ann-Marie Cummings.

I do to Peaches....but who is looking? Who is out searching? LE? Ron and Crystal? Friends and family?

As far as I can tell no one is :sad:

[Peaches]

Bolding mine - The issue is not that Ron used a teenager to babysit it's that he brought a teenager into his home and entrusted the majority of their care to her. Misty spent more time with the children than he did. This is a lot more than babysitting.


Ron was with his children when he was not working......

HaLeigh was at school and in bed most of the time Misty had her.

Also...............how do you know what Ron did when he was not working. There has been no documents showing this to be true.

[KKKKKKatie]

Are you familar with the rap like intonations of speech? Listen to the music teens are listening to today, check out the myspace pages of the four Overstreet bros., or any of the crowd that seemed to have a connection. Guns, weapons, Crip talk, gangs, and yes, Gangsta talk. Misty fits right in. Tough wannabees.

moo

Before I retired last year....I worked with kids like this. Tough talking/sounding straight from Rap music....all from a So Cal beach town :rolleyes:

I used to tell them I was gonna take them and drop them off in the middle of East LA and see just how tough they were. LOL

[Adalena935]

The fact LE has talked openly about Misty's inconsistencies coupled with the fact LE hasen't cleared either Ron or Misty tells me they aren't buying their hokey story(s).

A kidnapper who broke in without any sign of breakin thru a deadbolted/secure house; bio-dad and teenage g/f know because they're positive it's deadbolted/secure; no way anyone could break in, but they broke in anyway and they didn't doit! altho no one knew what they didn't doit was. but brought a cinderblock to a kidnapping without knowing he'd need one to kidnapp a child he couldn't have known was there so he can leave the kitchen light on so someone can easily recognize him, so teenage g/f can say O look! The kidnapper was here. And teenage g/f wakes up just before dad gets home after playing musical beds during her inconsistent interviews. Dad knew everything about the situation the first minute he was home without having talked to teenage babysitter/g/f. He knew the crime that it was a kidnapping, he knew how many intruders didn't leave marks of breakin, he knew the gender of the offender and he was gonna kill him. Days later we learn he has an extensive rap sheet and history of physical violence.

Misty said Haleigh was in her room, but seperate bed, jr was in a separate room. no wait that's not right jr was in bed too; that's right they were all in bed together even though they moved to a bigger house so they could all have their own bedrooms. no wait Haleigh was in the same room but seperate bed and jr. was in bed with her. No wait...that's not right let's try again.

BTW she got up to goto the bathroom, but didn't use the bathroom closest to her she used the other one instead. No wait that's not right, she got up to get a drink of water because she had to notice the kitchen light on. Yeah, that'll work.

but don't forget the house was secure and deadbolted; because they always check it and they're sure it was deadbolted. She couldn't have wandered off because they're so potitive it was an intruder who STOLE his chil...

how special

doj.gov

95.1% of children are harmed by a bio-parent.

should be 91.5% of maltreated children are harmed by a bio-parent.

[KKKKKKatie]

Was the dryer broken that Misty had to hang the blanket in the window? Just curious.


I assumed it was because they had no drapes on the window :shrug:

[playnice]

Was the dryer broken that Misty had to hang the blanket in the window? Just curious.

It may have been because Ron worked nights and some people have a hard time sleeping in the daytime if the room isnt dark.

[Peaches]

Not really. Thats why I said this: I'm not sure what people expect, even in this day and age, we cannot control every moment of our lives. No matter what precautions are taken.
Something could have happened during the times the babysitter had your grandchildren, and thank God it didn't.
But as we have come to know even with the parent/parents in the home, things happen. Day and night.
jmo


doneit..............You are correct. Bad things can happen to good people and they do.

When you are watching /doing your very best/ something can go wrong.

Do people think that a teacher would allow a child to fall from the monkey bars if she/he had any control?

Do people think a coach would allow a student to break his leg/arm while practicing or playing any sport?

Do you think a mother would allow her child to play outside if she thought someone would come by and take her child in the daylight?

Well................all these things do happen.

MOST parents do their very best for their own children.........but sometimes things beyond our control happen.................it just does.

[MrLucky917B]

So Amber, shown in the mug shot in the links, is the mother of Ron's third child? Wow, she sure looks different in the mug shot than she did on her (I think) my space page (cannot find the link anywhere!).

Am I wrong? Is this another person? Sorry I can't seem to keep all these felons straight.....

Most people look very different in mugshots, since the picture on myspace would be over a year old an she is still young there would be quite a difference.

[Peaches]

I didn't say that now did I?

We will have to agree to disagree on this one....IMO a child of 15/16 should not be the primary caregiver...anywhere.....anytime.


Some 16 year olds have children of their own.............should they care for them?

[doctor_J]

Are you familar with the rap like intonations of speech? Listen to the music teens are listening to today, check out the myspace pages of the four Overstreet bros., or any of the crowd that seemed to have a connection. Guns, weapons, Crip talk, gangs, and yes, Gangsta talk. Misty fits right in. Tough wannabees.

moo

I'm familiar with gangsta speech. My 25 y/o still listens to rap, and all his friends. I despise most of it but my parents despised rock and roll.
Not a great analogy though, I admit, since rap exceeds any limits with profanity. But when had Misti spoken like that??

[odyssey]

I posted a link here the other day where she left a comment on her cousins myspace and it said something along the lines of "I can't go home. My dad kicked me out." She also said her dad kicked her one brother and his wife out at the same time. The date she left the comment was on Sept 26, 2008.

That link also showed other people using that same account. One of the messages from that account said it was Tommy.
So i dont know if that is misty's account or misty's myspace alone or if it is one of her sil's accounts but apparently more than one person had access to it.

[teresa]

Your missing the point. The timeline is not adding up. Think about it. And that's why LE is having a difficult time with it. It does not make sense!

I wouldn't have a problem with GGM saying early on that she was there but it only came out days later when there were allegations that Misty was out that night. Why didn't she go to LE and tell this sooner?

Holy cow. Do you think she didn't when they interviewed her immediately after Haleigh was gone? She was there in the wee hours! Just because we saw her on TV for the first time a week later does not mean LE saw her for the first time.

LE's timeline starts at 7:00 for a reason.

[Mimi428]

He had known her and her family as neighbors for years.

Ron only worked 4 days a week to get in 40 hours so he got 3 full days with them every other weekend.




<snipped>

You assert two things that I must have missed - how long Ron knew Misty (& her family) plus the specifics of Ron's work schedule.

Where did you get that info? TIA

[SwineFeld]

Using which account? The SIL has her own. And it's this one:

http://www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin

Misty's newest one is this one:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=88648517

And that is the one that left the comment about being kicked out. It is also the same account that left comments on that other guys myspace who she was dating years ago. So, I believe it is Misty's account alone.

That link also showed other people using that same account. One of the messages from that account said it was Tommy.
So i dont know if that is misty's account or misty's myspace alone or if it is one of her sil's accounts but apparently more than one person had access to it.

[Peaches]

I, too, agree with all that was stated in this article. Thank you, momofamarine, for giving us the link!


Mamie,

This writer said the same things we have thought and said on this very bb.............it was a GREAT read!:thumbsup:

[Mimi428]

Ron was with his children when he was not working......

Also...how do you know what Ron did when he was not working. There has been no documents showing this to be true.

If there have been no documents, how do you know that Ron was with his children when he was not working???

[odyssey]

Using which account? The SIL has her own. And it's this one:

http://www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin

Misty's newest one is this one:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=88648517

And that is the one that left the comment about being kicked out. It is also the same account that left comments on that other guys myspace who she was dating years ago. So, I believe it is Misty's account alone.

The one you linked the comments to .. her cousin. If i find that link i will show you what i mean..

[Mamie]

I have 2 hours of shows on Sunday night. I like to do laundry then and fold and put away on commercials. Im actually watching tv and getting work done too.


I do that same thing, play, and I can abide by what the power company likes by doing it that way too.

[Peaches]

Are you talking about when she washed the blanket that Haleigh had wet---or other times when she did the laundry at night? The reason I ask is if the weather is humid during the day, maybe it's easier to do the laundry at night. Also, I know that the power companies appreciate people not using their home appliances during peak hours so that we can avoid blackouts or even brownouts during those times. JMO

P.S. Not saying that Misty would have paid attention to the power company's wishes in her area, as a typical teenager, but it's a possibility. JMO



Also..............Mamie............maybe the washer running kept Ron from sleeping. No one knows.............

Most people use their own schedule when doing their chores..........it is not for us to tell them when to do them.

[SwineFeld]

This is the cousin Brandon's page http://www.myspace.com/brandon12345b. All I said was, once you get to it, scroll down until you see the comments. Then click on VIEW ALL. Then click on page 3. Halfway down, roughly, is the comment Misty (!! Please bring Haleigh home!!) left saying they (her, her brother and his wife) were kicked out.

The one you linked the comments to .. her cousin. If i find that link i will show you what i mean..

[Peaches]

Problem is, Haleigh and Junior were not taking dance/swim lessons, or partcipating in sports that day. Your generalizing a typical family, the Cummings household was not exactly the Cleavers. We are talking Haleigh's family not middle America.

moo


They were playing outside with the neighbors................they were seen doing that.

I feel certain they loved playing.............nothing wrong with that!

[doctor_J]

<snipped>

You assert two things that I must have missed - how long Ron knew Misty (& her family) plus the specifics of Ron's work schedule.

Where did you get that info? TIA

I don't have a link but JVM stated the knowing Misti since she was 14. And Misti's family live nearby in a very small cummunity so I will call that my assumption plus a comment by Misti's mom that she had known Ron for years and trusted him. Since I didn't save any links just say it's my impression. Jane actually said they had been together since she was 14 but someone tried to correct her to say "known her".

[Mamie]

Was the dryer broken that Misty had to hang the blanket in the window? Just curious.

When I get an answer from the poster to my question, maybe I'll answer yours. Then again.........maybe not.

[Peaches]

[QUOTE=playnice;12920331]I have 2 hours of shows on Sunday night. I like to do laundry then and fold and put away on commercials. Im actually watching tv and getting work done too.[/QUOTE


playnice..............many do their laundry at the time they chose. I do not see what is strange about Misty washing clothes when she wanted.

That is just me.

[KKKKKKatie]

Some 16 year olds have children of their own.............should they care for them?


Sorry...I was away for a bit.

No....IMO they should be put up for adoption. There are always exceptions to the rule so don't start telling me stories about wonderful teen parents. But as a rule, I believe adoption is a better option for the kids.

[Peaches]

What happened to not trashing the parent of a missing child and not judging someone since you have not walked a mile in their shoes?

Isn't that what you said yesterday? :confused:



Odyssey................It certainly was with lots of support from some others..............

It seems to ONLY apply to some...................:laugh:

Good Catch!

[Mimi428]

Elle...and bringing the clothes back is another reason to visit.

7:00 pm for dinner...with all the activities of children today...dance/swim lessons/sports/etc...many people eat late.

Where has it been reported that either Junior or Haleigh had any of those activities going on before hey ate dinner that night?

These children have snacks when they get home from school...go to their activitie...then eat...do homework...get baths...go to bed. Nothing strange about that.

Again, from what source did you learn that Junior & Haleigh's schedule that day was anything like that?

Some ggm/gm will visit their house to help out so that the parents have more time to spend with their children one on one...playing/helping with homework/etc.


True, some grandparents do just that. Do we know that such a situation was true in the case of Junior & Haleigh? All I have read is that Misty has stated that the children were eating on the front porch somewhere around 7:00 p.m., that Junior was watching one movie on the couch while Haleigh was watching a different movie in the bedroom & that Misty put Haleigh to bed at 8:00 p.m.

[doctor_J]

This is the cousin Brandon's page http://www.myspace.com/brandon12345b. All I said was, once you get to it, scroll down until you see the comments. Then click on VIEW ALL. Then click on page 3. Halfway down, roughly, is the comment Misty (!! Please bring Haleigh home!!) left saying they (her, her brother and his wife) were kicked out.

Swinefeld- my question is how do u know it is Misti since it is a nic. Like the same nic used to make ugly profane comments on Amber's Myspace and if u click on the nic, it takes you to a Myspace of a 19 y/o with 2 daughters.

I admit to not knowing much about navigating Myspace. but several posters clicked that nic and said the same thing, someone posing as Misti.

[Peaches]

I do to Peaches....but who is looking? Who is out searching? LE? Ron and Crystal? Friends and family?

As far as I can tell no one is :sad:


That is the sad thing..................LE needs to let the public what they can do to help.

Americans I find are always willing to help in a time of need.

[Mamie]

Also..............Mamie............maybe the washer running kept Ron from sleeping. No one knows.............

Most people use their own schedule when doing their chores..........it is not for us to tell them when to do them.

Exactly right, Peaches. Having to sleep during the day is not much fun when the rest of the family is up doing normal things. It is important for Ron to get his sleep when he can get it so he can function at work. It is also important for Haleigh to get her sleep so she can function at school but for some reason kids just sleep more soundly when they're kids, so if Misty did laundry at night on a regular basis, I assume it didn't interrupt the children's sleep habits. And that probably can be backed up by the fact that Haleigh wet the bed due to her sound sleeping. JMO

[SwineFeld]

The only reason people "Know" and "assume" it's hers is because, if you go to myspace and search for the name Misty Croslin, the name she used to join myspace, that account and her old one show up.

Of course anyone can create an account and use someone elses name. That's true. HOWEVER, the only reason many people believe it's hers is because, if you find her old boyfriends myspace page (along with other family members and such), you will see the many, many, many comments she also left him (and others). So, if it wasn't her then whomever created the account pretending to be her had to have been putting up a "front" of being her for years. Know what I mean?

As for the ugly comments she left Amber, well if it came from the same account then yes, it most likely was her.

Swinefeld- my question is how do u know it is Misti since it is a nic. Like the same nic used to make ugly profane comments on Amber's Myspace and if u click on the nic, it takes you to a Myspace of a 19 y/o with 2 daughters.

I admit to not knowing much about navigating Myspace. but several posters clicked that nic and said the same thing, someone posing as Misti.

[doctor_J]

That's odd, cause Misty's father was quite suprised when he found out Ron's real age. He was given the impression that Ron was younger by Ron himself, IIRC. Had the families known each other for years, surely Misty's Dad knew how old Ron was. It appears that wasn't the case.

moo

You certainly could be right. Those sensational shows often gets facts wrong. Are Misti's mom and dad together? And wonder if ron thought Misti was 19 when he met her becuse of her Myspace saying 19.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I don't know what to say Sw. It is what it is.

But I so have a ?. Couldn't something have happened while you were babysitting at 8 pm?? Thats why I keep saying, sometimes we have no control over some circumstances.
jmo

Polly Klaas was abducted with her father in the house.

Elizabeth Smart was stolen with her sister sleeping in the same bed.

I watched a cold case last night about an 11 year old girl who was abducted out of her sleeping tent on a family vacation. The predator unzipped the tent, reached inside and pulled her out.

The list goes on on.

Abduction can happen any time, any where, under any circumstances. It is not prejudicial to race, money, age, or lifestyles.

[odyssey]

This is the cousin Brandon's page http://www.myspace.com/brandon12345b. All I said was, once you get to it, scroll down until you see the comments. Then click on VIEW ALL. Then click on page 3. Halfway down, roughly, is the comment Misty (!! Please bring Haleigh home!!) left saying they (her, her brother and his wife) were kicked out.

Okay, this is what I mean .. from that myspace comments . . http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=269248876&MyToken=8746566c-6da7-4770-818e-902bcd0dfca0

There is more than one comment there from !!PleaseBringHaleighHome!! and some of them indicate that many people have access to that account and it does not say who the account belongs to .. here are some of the comments from that myspace to brandon ..

Nov 14, 2008 1:57 PM
wuz up cuz its tommy wanted to tell you we miss you down here in fl wish you would come back so we can hit the club up agine.maybe you can come down for your b day,we had fun last year. well cuz tell charlie i said wuz upand tommy.stay out of lockup. dont be doing stupid sh*t.
later
(that one says it is tommy)

Oct 30, 2008 1:50 PM
hey cuz what up how are u doing cant right no one we are not good anofe for u wellm we love u and miss u we now u was not comeing back to fl well hit me up when u get this sok love yA CUZ

Sep 26, 2008 6:12 PM
hey dose josh have a myspace yet if so tell him to add me ok love you i cant call u in tell 9 i cant go home my dad kicked me and tim and chel out but love ya
(this one does not say who it is but mentions tim and chelsea .. but tommy not tim was posting under this and where is his wife? it is confusing)

jmoo

[Adalena935]

There's nothing wrong with anyone doing housework anytime they please. But Misty said she was cleaning house and later changed that story to sleeping during the 911 call.

Why try to misrepresent the issue by pretending the issue is people's right to do housework. :rolleyes:

[Mimi428]

I don't have a link but JVM stated the knowing Misti since she was 14. And Misti's family live nearby in a very small cummunity so I will call that my assumption plus a comment by Misti's mom that she had known Ron for years and trusted him. Since I didn't save any links just say it's my impression. Jane actually said they had been together since she was 14 but someone tried to correct her to say "known her".


Thanks for the info. I have read a few of Jane's transcripts, but rarely see her show. I know it has been reported that Ron & Crystal have known one another since she was 14, but had not read anything about how old Misty was when she initially met Ron.

Do you recall where you heard/read about Ron's work schedule?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Same to you Peaches.

I just read someone, sorry forgot who already, bringing up the Cummings family as not being the Cleaver family. And I don't mean any disrepect for the poster. OK? I just have to say I have never in my 61 yrs. ever met anyone like the Cleavers. And this may offend some but most of the ones, including me, are more like Roseannes family, even more colorful and spicier. KWIM
jmo

LMAO - great post doneit.

[Peaches]

Where has it been reported that either Junior or Haleigh had any of those activities going on before hey ate dinner that night?



Again, from what source did you learn that Junior & Haleigh's schedule that day was anything like that?




True, some grandparents do just that. Do we know that such a situation was true in the case of Junior & Haleigh? All I have read is that Misty has stated that the children were eating on the front porch somewhere around 7:00 p.m., that Junior was watching one movie on the couch while Haleigh was watching a different movie in the bedroom & that Misty put Haleigh to bed at 8:00 p.m.



First of all, both children were seen playing outside ....................

Also, can you prove anything I said is not true.............most kids have snacks when they come home from school................and people are allowed to eat when they want............:tonguewag:

[doctor_J]

The only reason people "Know" and "assume" it's hers is because, if you go to myspace and search for the name Misty Croslin, the name she used to join myspace, that account and her old one show up.

Of course anyone can create an account and use someone elses name. That's true. HOWEVER, the only reason many people believe it's hers is because, if you find her old boyfriends myspace page (along with other family members and such), you will see the many, many, many comments she also left him (and others). So, if it wasn't her then whomever created the account pretending to be her had to have been putting up a "front" of being her for years. Know what I mean?

As for the ugly comments she left Amber, well if it came from the same account then yes, it most likely was her.

OK so does that mean the profanity posted on Amber's Myspace, the pornagraphic stuff under a nic similiar to that was likely Misti's? It took me to a girl in Michigan.

[Adalena935]

Problem is Ron wasn't home sleeping that night.

moo

Ron's Mother told Nancy Grace he worked from 3:00p.m. to 3:00a.m. and he'd had the job for about 5 weeks. CNN

[odyssey]

Polly Klaas was abducted with her father in the house.

Elizabeth Smart was stolen with her sister sleeping in the same bed.

I watched a cold case last night about an 11 year old girl who was abducted out of her sleeping tent on a family vacation. The predator unzipped the tent, reached inside and pulled her out.

The list goes on on.

Abduction can happen any time, any where, under any circumstances. It is not prejudicial to race, money, age, or lifestyles.

Even worse than that he cut a hole in the tent and pulled the girl from the tent. I saw the same program :)

[SwineFeld]

Yeah. As far as I see it, Misty made those comments. First, she says "cuz" to the person she is leaving the comment to. And yes, Brandon is her "cuz." Second, she says Tommy says we miss you. Tommy is her brother. She also asks about Josh, who I think is also a cousin.

As for the one about being kicked out, it's Misty saying her dad kicked her, Tim and his wife Chelsea out.

None of it proves anyone else but Misty uses the account. I don't understand why you are, or how you are, getting confused that several people are using the account. Misty left all the comments IMO.

Okay, this is what I mean .. from that myspace comments . . http://comment.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewComments&friendID=269248876&MyToken=8746566c-6da7-4770-818e-902bcd0dfca0

There is more than one comment there from !!PleaseBringHaleighHome!! and some of them indicate that many people have access to that account and it does not say who the account belongs to .. here are some of the comments from that myspace to brandon ..

Nov 14, 2008 1:57 PM
wuz up cuz its tommy wanted to tell you we miss you down here in fl wish you would come back so we can hit the club up agine.maybe you can come down for your b day,we had fun last year. well cuz tell charlie i said wuz upand tommy.stay out of lockup. dont be doing stupid sh*t.
later
(that one says it is tommy)

Oct 30, 2008 1:50 PM
hey cuz what up how are u doing cant right no one we are not good anofe for u wellm we love u and miss u we now u was not comeing back to fl well hit me up when u get this sok love yA CUZ

Sep 26, 2008 6:12 PM
hey dose josh have a myspace yet if so tell him to add me ok love you i cant call u in tell 9 i cant go home my dad kicked me and tim and chel out but love ya
(this one does not say who it is but mentions tim and chelsea .. but tommy not tim was posting under this and where is his wife? it is confusing)

jmoo

[Peaches]

Same to you Peaches.

I just read someone, sorry forgot who already, bringing up the Cummings family as not being the Cleaver family. And I don't mean any disrepect for the poster. OK? I just have to say I have never in my 61 yrs. ever met anyone like the Cleavers. And this may offend some but most of the ones, including me, are more like Roseannes family, even more colorful and spicier. KWIM
jmo


I certainly agree with you here.............The Cleavers indeed.

Personal attacks are not necessary.

MOO is most of us have things in our past that we would not want others to air to the world.

Anyway, have you heard if they are searching for HaLeigh today?

[odyssey]

Ron's Mother told Nancy Grace he worked from 3:00p.m. to 3:00a.m. and he'd had the job for about 5 weeks. CNN

she said he had been working the night shift for about five weeks, not that he had just gotten the job five weeks prior.

[SwineFeld]

What porno stuff? I haven't seen Ambers page in a while. Does anyone have a link?

Ok. Found the link. This is Ambers site.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=375142511

And yes, it does appear Misty left that comment. But, I see no porno stuff. And if you click on the account !!Please bring Haleigh Home!!, it takes you to the same site (which is private) that I listed above for Misty.

OK so does that mean the profanity posted on Amber's Myspace, the pornagraphic stuff under a nic similiar to that was likely Misti's? It took me to a girl in Michigan.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Even worse than that he cut a hole in the tent and pulled the girl from the tent. I saw the same program :)

Very sad and heartbreaking case. It just reminded me of people here saying no one could have reached down and pulled Haleigh off her mattress. According to the other case the little girl didn't even wake up until she had already been transported.

[doctor_J]

Thanks for the info. I have read a few of Jane's transcripts, but rarely see her show. I know it has been reported that Ron & Crystal have known one another since she was 14, but had not read anything about how old Misty was when she initially met Ron.

Do you recall where you heard/read about Ron's work schedule?

Teresa N. said he worked 10 hour shifts and only occasionally got overtime. So I just added that to mean 4 days a week, most of the time. For all I know she could have meant 1 hour commute, going and coming, and an hour for lunch but I thought her point was the 4 day week because of parental duties.

[Adalena935]

Nobody suggested stranger abduction doesn't exist. There has to be evidence.

91.5% biological parent
3% stranger
doj.gov

"...Do we have any evidence an abduction occured anywhere near that property?...No we do not!..." - Pat Brown FBI Source: CNN, Fox

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't have a link but JVM stated the knowing Misti since she was 14. And Misti's family live nearby in a very small cummunity so I will call that my assumption plus a comment by Misti's mom that she had known Ron for years and trusted him. Since I didn't save any links just say it's my impression. Jane actually said they had been together since she was 14 but someone tried to correct her to say "known her".

Work schedule is unknown to me, but I did hear exactly what you are saying in an interview this week. JMO without a link, but this could or could not be another example of the misinformation express just like the TJ HART comment that allegedly came from the COBRA SOLO tape (which by the links here) is NOT EDITED, yet I heard nothing like that. JMO

:scared:

[odyssey]

Yeah. As far as I see it, Misty made those comments. First, she says "cuz" to the person she is leaving the comment to. And yes, Brandon is her "cuz." Second, she says Tommy says we miss you. Tommy is her brother. She also asks about Josh, who I think is also a cousin.

As for the one about being kicked out, it's Misty saying her dad kicked her, Tim and his wife Chelsea out.

None of it proves anyone else but Misty uses the account. I don't understand why you are, or how you are, getting confused that several people are using the account. Misty left all the comments IMO.

maybe because it says "what up cuz IT"S TOMMY" .. but then that's just me .. lol

[Mamie]

Same to you Peaches.

I just read someone, sorry forgot who already, bringing up the Cummings family as not being the Cleaver family. And I don't mean any disrepect for the poster. OK? I just have to say I have never in my 61 yrs. ever met anyone like the Cleavers. And this may offend some but most of the ones, including me, are more like Roseannes family, even more colorful and spicier. KWIM
jmo


And aren't you glad that you came from a family like Roseanne's family? I sure am. Although I used to cringe, when I was a teenager, at things my mother said in public or when yelling at one of us kids, I wouldn't trade my upbringing for the world! (My mother was raised on a ranch so that explains some of it----lol.)All of us kids were adopted so there were things that didn't come natural to my mother that maybe should have. Everything was new to all of us. But we loved our mother and father and they sure gave us a great life----and certainly better than any of the lives we would have had without them.

[Peaches]

Problem is Ron wasn't home sleeping that night.

moo


What???????????????????????

Mamie and I were discussing why Misty would wash at night instead of during the daytime when Ron was sleeping...............

Also.............Ron was at work when Misty was washing.

Now............do you understand????????????

[SwineFeld]

I think it's just a spelling error. Cause I read it as "Hey cuz it's (should be a name here but there isn't) Tommy wanted me to tell you....."

If you read most of her comments she left on everyone else pages she doesn't spell very well and often makes mistakes like that.

maybe because it says "what up cuz IT"S TOMMY" .. but then that's just me .. lol

[Mimi428]

Also, can you prove anything I said is not true...



<snipped>

Prove what you say is NOT true? Sorry, doesn't work that way on this board. Never has. You make an assertion of fact, the burden is upon you to be able to verify it. It's a good rule & it makes sense, IMO. Situations arise, of course, where all one can do is say they saw/heard it on TV (like when it is on HLN which does not provide transcripts, for example). But in those situations all that is necessary is for the poster to clarify why they believe what they post.

Posting opinions is great, we all do that. But asserting something as factual - be ready to show how you know it to be true.

[Adalena935]

Very sad and heartbreaking case. It just reminded me of people here saying no one could have reached down and pulled Haleigh off her mattress. According to the other case the little girl didn't even wake up until she had already been transported.

It is a heartbreaking case and this one too. Haleigh may have been kidnapped but there's no evidence and Misty keeps changing her stories.

Those are clues in THIS case.

doj stats have maltreatment of children by bio-parent a whopping 91.5% That's huge

[Peaches]

Thanks for saying that. I meant to bring that up and forgot. Also, younger than 16 by what I see on tv.
jmo


Well...............I personally know several people who were parents at 16 and were married for 60+ years.

That was then.............now people have more birthcontrol so I see no excuse for unwanted/unplanned births. AND...........sex ed is taugh in school in my state................

[SwineFeld]

It is. These are comments she left on other people's pages.

I thought misty's profile was private? how are you finding these comments?

[doctor_J]

Nobody suggested stranger abduction doesn't exist. There has to be evidence.

91.5% biological parent
3% stranger
doj.gov

"...Do we have any evidence an abduction occured anywhere near that property?...No we do not!..." - Pat Brown FBI Source: CNN, Fox

But we have no evidence of murder by acquiantance either. We have nothing either way. Except LE called it an abduction.

[odyssey]

I think it's just a spelling error. Cause I read it as "Hey cuz it's (should be a name here but there isn't) Tommy wanted me to tell you....."

If you read most of her comments she left on everyone else pages she doesn't spell very well and often makes mistakes like that.

yes i saw that which is another pointer to me that Tommy(who is also the 'cuz' of Brandon) was leaving that particular comment because his grammar was a little better(spelling out the "you"s) which the other comments, (which for the most part i believe are Misty's) don't do. I believe the comment in November was left by tommy using someone else's account. I believe that account is probably Misty's but i Don't think she was the only one who had access to it.

[Peaches]

Gee, I am amazed that you have the Cumming's household routine so down pat. I'm curious, when and where did Misty grocery shop? Seeing as you have an inside track, I'd love to know that. Was she a thrifty shopper? Use coupons?

moo


Swarovski...............why..............can you tell me why you are targeting me today?

This is just unfair!

These questions are just trying to stir up trouble. I do not understand why you are so cruel to another poster that you do not know from Adam just because I do not think as you.

I do NOT say nasty things to you................Please/Please give it a rest.

And try to find HaLeigh.............not blast me.

[SwineFeld]

I don't know. I base my comments that it's hers, and hers alone, on the fact that I have looked over tons of myspace pages and comments that people have posted here and other forums and the writing style is the same in all of them. I highly doubt any of her brothers would use the account. They all have their own. And neither write like her (that I've seen). But, that's JMO.

Edited to add the brothers myspace links.

Tommy's
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=81898882
(notice in the about me section how he writes)

Timmy's
http://www.myspace.com/tim_tim1
(notice in the about me section how he writes)

yes i saw that which is another pointer to me that Tommy(who is also the 'cuz' of Brandon) was leaving that particular comment because his grammar was a little better(spelling out the "you"s) which the other comments, (which for the most part i believe are Misty's) don't do. I believe the comment in November was left by tommy using someone else's account. I believe that account is probably Misty's but i Don't think she was the only one who had access to it.

[sunstar]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Race-Fans-Donate-to-Haleigh/Co7JZjCd9k6uS7G_DZShVg.cspx


Good morning! Hoping and praying for Haleigh. :wub:

Good afternoon everybody! :seeya: What a nice story ~ so many people caring about Haleigh, it just makes it even sadder that somebody could've harmed her. I just hope she is safe and comes home very soon!

[Politigal]

According to the myspace message posts ---

Misty, Tim & Chelsea and kids were all living with Hank Croslin Sr til he kicked them out Sept/Oct 08. Then Misty moved in with Ronald. Tim & Chelsea moved in with Tommy & Lindsy on Tyler St. Then Tim & Chelsea moved when they got their tax refund....presumably to somewhere near Crescent City (IMO since that's where police took the latest search -- from Buffalo Bluff to Paradise Shores in Crescent City and that's where cousin Joe stayed the night the van disappeared.)

The more I read about this entire family, the more I'm reminded of the movie Deliverance

[teresa]

Ron's Mother told Nancy Grace he worked from 3:00p.m. to 3:00a.m. and he'd had the job for about 5 weeks. CNN

He had been on the night shift about five weeks. CNN and anywhere else you care to look.

[doctor_J]

Maybe you need to understand, you post on a message board, and your posts are open to anyone that cares to comment. You want a private converstaion, your pm function is available.

moo

Swarovski, I'm suprised at you. You're usually very civil. What's up? Just this awful case and lack of reliable info? that's getting to eveyone.

[Peaches]

<snipped>

Prove what you say is NOT true? Sorry, doesn't work that way on this board. Never has. You make an assertion of fact, the burden is upon you to be able to verify it. It's a good rule & it makes sense, IMO. Situations arise, of course, where all one can do is say they saw/heard it on TV (like when it is on HLN which does not provide transcripts, for example). But in those situations all that is necessary is for the poster to clarify why they believe what they post.

Posting opinions is great, we all do that. But asserting something as factual - be ready to show how you know it to be true.


No Mimi428...............it has been said that we can post opinions...........that is what everyone is doing...................there are not many facts..............LE is tightlipped.............even what is said on tv is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Crystal is out to make herself look good as is Ron.............it is ALL hearsay at this time.

No one said anything was factual..............but, like you I do have an opinion.

And guess what..............all of you are not going to make me go away today.............

So give it your BEST shot!

[SwineFeld]

Which coincides with what I was saying all along above.

My question is, how soon after Misty got kicked out (Sept 2008) did she hook up with, and move in with, Ron? Does anyone know?

According to the myspace message posts ---

Misty, Tim & Chelsea and kids were all living with Hank Croslin Sr til he kicked them out Sept/Oct 08. Then Misty moved in with Ronald. Tim & Chelsea moved in with Tommy & Lindsy on Tyler St. Then Tim & Chelsea moved when they got their tax refund....presumably to somewhere near Crescent City (IMO since that's where police took the latest search -- from Buffalo Bluff to Paradise Shores in Crescent City and that's where cousin Joe stayed the night the van disappeared.)

The more I read about this entire family, the more I'm reminded of the movie Deliverance

[Mimi428]

Teresa N. said he worked 10 hour shifts and only occasionally got overtime. So I just added that to mean 4 days a week, most of the time. For all I know she could have meant 1 hour commute, going and coming, and an hour for lunch but I thought her point was the 4 day week because of parental duties.

Thanks! I appreciate the clarification. I have read so much conflicting stuff about Ron's current employment that I never could figure out what was accurate & what was erroneous. Example - Ron had been on the night shift about 5 weeks vs Ron had only had the job about 5 weeks, with 2 weeks worth of training & then 3 weeks of being on the night shift.

Very confusing.

JMO

[Politigal]

Which coincides with what I was saying all along above.

My question is, how soon after Misty got kicked out (Sept 2008) did she hook up with, and move in with, Ron? Does anyone know?

The reports I've read said they had been together 5 months when Haleigh disappeared.

[SwineFeld]

I take it she was dating him before her dad kicked her out then?

The reports I've read said they had been together 5 months.

[Mamie]

This is now the standard we hold others and ourselves to? A sitcom family with questionable ethics and values?
Why are Peaches and others looking reality in the face and painting pretty pictures? If you love children than look at the facts surrounding Haleigh's life. Making excuses for abuse is inexcusable and morally repugnant.

Virtually sticking your tongue out at other adults is simply too sad to address in a forum that seeks real answers to a missing child.

This is my humble opinion.


Huh? What planet are you from? Who said it was a standard we are holding anyone to? And who said that abuse has been proven? Crystal and her attorney? That's laughable! Oh, and the word is "then", not "than". JMO

[Politigal]

I take it she was dating him before her dad kicked her out then?

I don't really know....

Misty left Amber a message 11/14/08 here:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=375142511&albumID=77694&imageID=297932

[sunstar]

Ron's Mother told Nancy Grace he worked from 3:00p.m. to 3:00a.m. and he'd had the job for about 5 weeks. CNN

I'm not seeing how she could've been correct if he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop before going to work since I thought the bus arrived about 3:30pm? :confused:

[SwineFeld]

Yeah I saw that. Thanks.

If she wasn't dating him before she got kicked out she sure as heck moved in fast. LOL But I guess anyone without a place to live would? Who knows with these people. It's all so crazy and confusing.

I don't really know....

Misty left Amber a message 11/14/08 here:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=375142511&albumID=77694&imageID=297932

[sunstar]

Which coincides with what I was saying all along above.

My question is, how soon after Misty got kicked out (Sept 2008) did she hook up with, and move in with, Ron? Does anyone know?

I remember he just said the other night they've been together 7-8 months now. But, it's only 6 months going back to September. :shrug:

[doctor_J]

Huh? What planet are you from? Who said it was a standard we are holding anyone to? And who said that abuse has been proven? Crystal and her attorney? That's laughable! Oh, and the word is "then", not "than". JMO

I hope we aren't typo censoring today or I'm in trouble. I know how to edit and spell check but when you're typing with one hand it get very tiresome. Please be patient with me. Sometimes I give up and just delete for fear of ridicule.

[odyssey]

I'm not seeing how she could've been correct if he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop before going to work since I thought the bus arrived about 3:30pm? :confused:

Mrs. Neves did not say he went to work at three, The shift does not begin until 4 or 4:30.

[Politigal]

I remember he just said the other night they've been together 7-8 months now. But, it's only 6 months going back to September. :shrug:

here's one article that says they had been dating for 5 months

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130293

and the other where Misty's mom Lisa said they had been wanting to get married for 5 months

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&provider=rss

[doctor_J]

I remember he just said the other night they've been together 7-8 months now. But, it's only 6 months going back to September. :shrug:

And I've read 5months. The reporting has been inconsistent, more than Misti, IMO

[Adalena935]

she said he had been working the night shift for about five weeks, not that he had just gotten the job five weeks prior.

She said he'd had that job for about 5 weeks. She said he had some training before going on the night shift. Nope he haden't had the job very long at all. The 5 weeks stunned me to no end. Don't have time to dig thru the transcripts for you but here they are. It's in the 1st link of the 1st google search I did for you.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ron+cummings+crane+operator+night+shift

Results 1 - 10 of about 22,200 for ron cummings crane operator night shift. (0.30 seconds)

Ron started working the night shift as a crane operator about two weeks prior

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nancy+grace+transcripts

Results 1 - 10 of about 63,500 for nancy grace transcripts. (0.15 seconds

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=mXbGSYzvOYGStQOYvNzvBg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Greta+Van+Susteren+transcripts&spell=1

Results 1 - 10 of about 23,900 for Greta Van Susteren transcripts. (0.14 seconds)

[SwineFeld]

Yes. I thought he worked 10 hour shifts? Which would mean his shift wouldn't start until 5:00pm. Which also means he probably didn't leave for work until about 4:30pm. IMO

Mrs. Neves did not say he went to work at three, The shift does not begin until 4 or 4:30.

[doctor_J]

Mrs. Neves did not say he went to work at three, The shift does not begin until 4 or 4:30.

He left for work that afternoon at 3:45 and got off at 3. I took that as a 10 hour shift as TN said, with a lunch hour.

[DiamondSkye]

God Bless beautiful little Haleigh, darling come home..

[odyssey]

And I've read 5months. The reporting has been inconsistent, more than Misti, IMO
This is what RON HIMSELF had to say about it last monday on Nancy Grace ..


GRACE: How long have you two known each other before you married?

CUMMINGS: Seven, eight months.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

[bonnie31430]

I am suspious of the whole family. the girlfriend (wife now) has told so many differnt stories. The biological mother was due in court the next day for over 4000.00 in back child support, also she had a boyfriend and was planning on marrying him. Why the door that was so hard to open was propped open with a rock. was someone in that family not a pedofile? Misty could have gone out to meet someone and the person who took haleigh knew it and took advantage of and just walked right in and took her

[Mamie]

I hope we aren't typo censoring today or I'm in trouble. I know how to edit and spell check but when you're typing with one hand it get very tiresome. Please be patient with me. Sometimes I give up and just delete for fear of ridicule.

Not to worry------it's just that the word "than" gets used far too many times incorrectly when the word should be "then". Just like women/woman. When someone means the singular usage which is "woman", often the plural (women) is used. And anyway, my comment was to that particular poster for overall content. (Maybe I shouldn't have had those pancakes, afterall!) JMO

[sunstar]

Mrs. Neves did not say he went to work at three, The shift does not begin until 4 or 4:30.

thank you ~ I thought I had read it was later. :smile:

[odyssey]

She said he'd had that job for about 5 weeks. She said he had some training before going on the night shift. Nope he haden't had the job very long at all. The 5 weeks stunned me to no end. Don't have time to dig thru the transcripts for you but here they are. It's in the 1st link of the 1st google search I did for you.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ron+cummings+crane+operator+night+shift

Results 1 - 10 of about 22,200 for ron cummings crane operator night shift. (0.30 seconds)

Ron started working the night shift as a crane operator about two weeks prior

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nancy+grace+transcripts

Results 1 - 10 of about 63,500 for nancy grace transcripts. (0.15 seconds

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=mXbGSYzvOYGStQOYvNzvBg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Greta+Van+Susteren+transcripts&spell=1

Results 1 - 10 of about 23,900 for Greta Van Susteren transcripts. (0.14 seconds)

You need to read your own results. I posted the programs in the past showing he had been working the night shift NOT that he had only been at the particular place of employment for five weeks yet you still post it as fact.

[SwineFeld]

Which comments? If you go back a few pages (I think to about page 4), you will see what we were talking about. It starts there and goes on into the remaining pages. LOL

where are the comments at? any links?

[sunstar]

If doing laundry at night makes one seem sinister....then I'm in deep poo if one of my famly members comes up missing......
Saving power doesn't even enter into it at my house...

I didn't see anything strange about her doing laundry before she went to bed, but the only thing I questioned in this whole thing was how she didn't know Haleigh's blanket needed washing (from the night before) until bedtime on the 9th. :smile: MOO

[doctor_J]

Yes, I'm really try to be courteous to all, and I enjoy this board the most for the diversity of the people. I've found everyone here to be great correspondents. What I have a problem with, is comparing someone' own personal life and attaching it to this one as if its is factual. The Cummings family is what it is. There are some, who are very likable, and others, not so much, as in any family. I just like to keep things real, and I get frustrated when someone tries to use their own brushstrokes to this tragedy.

moo

We all get frustrated. Give Peaches a break. I love you both (for differing opinions). I usually agree with her but I need your input for balance in order to form a more coherent opinionl

And of course, I'd be lost w/o your links, whether I like them or agree with them is not the point.

O/T but important. I clicked on SM link on this site last night (a different day's thread) and got the c.virus from He!!. Pop-ups blasting thru, bizarre cursor movt., freezes and cascades of porn. It crashed windows in my son's new laptop in just a few minutes. He is not happy with me. I tried to warn others last nite.

[odyssey]

You need to read your own results. I posted the programs in the past showing he had been working the night shift NOT that he had only been at the particular place of employment for five weeks yet you still post it as fact.

I wanted to add that I do NOT think he was employed at this place for years. It is my BELIEF based on a number of sources that he has been working there a few months at most(having gotten hired there in October or so). BUT I am tired of words being twisted. It makes no sense to me at all.

jmoo

[Politigal]

is the one about her being a crack ***** the only one?

no, scroll down underneath the picture to see the other comment Misty left.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=375142511&albumID=77694&imageID=297932

[Mamie]

If doing laundry at night makes one seem sinister....then I'm in deep poo if one of my famly members comes up missing......
Saving power doesn't even enter into it at my house...

No kiddin'-----I hear that!

Going back in my childhood, though, I probably would never have done laundry at night if it hadn't been for my mom doing it that way when we lived in Barstow (Mohave Desert). That was the only time to do your laundry and I remember her saying she could hang it out on the line and in a half hour it was dry! Then when my kids were little and my husband drove truck (long line) I did my housework and laundry at night, after they went to bed. There were years I did it in the morning but I do try to abide by what PG&E asks us now, so doing it at night again is not a big deal for me. Have to say, I kind of enjoy doing it at night. JMO

[Mamie]

Mamie, I am that particular poster: seeker. I appreciate your help with my grammar, and would also appreciate your responding to my post and to what I was saying. I'd be happy to clarify my statements and have a civil discussion with you.

I did respond to your post. Page 6, #227.

[Politigal]

Don't most of you feel that cousin Joe is the most likely suspect? -- considering the tiff over the gun, the van disappearing in the night, him going back to Tennessee immediately after, police searching the highway leading to the home where the van was...etc.???

[doctor_J]

Oh lord, doc, so sorry about your laptop. I used to have a problem with the SM site too, but when I disengaged the popups its okay now.
Thanks for the compliment, I think. :wub: I like Peaches too, in fact I enjoy everyone who contributes here. Can't you tell. LOL. I run and do a chore, and then run back here to see who I missed.

I just wish we could find this little girl, it is eating my heart out. I can't imagine what the Cummings and Sheffields are going thru, if it effects me to the degree it has.

moo
I saw a Ng repeat last nite just channel surfing and Ron looked like he's lose 15 lb. and Teresa looked physically ill (as in about to collapse). It was heart-rending.

[Mamie]

Oh lord, doc, so sorry about your laptop. I used to have a problem with the SM site too, but when I disengaged the popups its okay now.
Thanks for the compliment, I think. :wub: I like Peaches too, in fact I enjoy everyone who contributes here. Can't you tell. LOL. I run and do a chore, and then run back here to see who I missed.

I just wish we could find this little girl, it is eating my heart out. I can't imagine what the Cummings and Sheffields are going thru, if it effects me to the degree it has.

moo


What is the SM link----so I can avoid it? TIA!

[sunstar]

thats not strange either, I have a 6 year old and four year old and there have been times that I didnt realize they peed on their blanket until i went to tuck them in.

I'll take your word for it! :smile: that's what's nice about sharing with other people here who have different experiences.

[sunstar]

What is the SM link----so I can avoid it? TIA!

I'm not sure I can type out it's name but let's say it means frightened apes! :laugh:

[sunstar]

Don't most of you feel that cousin Joe is the most likely suspect? -- considering the tiff over the gun, the van disappearing in the night, him going back to Tennessee immediately after, police searching the highway leading to the home where the van was...etc.???

Probably a little more likely than a stranger, imo.

[doctor_J]

I gotta ask What do you mean by disengaging the pop-ups? the pop-up blocker was on and it supposedly had very good antivirus. He's a finance grad student and needed a top of the line HP. Just 3 weeks old. How can i prevent this from happening again? Is there a place I should be asking this, don't want to get banned.

[Mimi428]

Just because there is no evidence, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
jmo

<snipped>

I'm glad you brought that up. I have been thinking about that very thing since late last week when all the wailing & gnashing of teeth was going on about how that evil Crystal was lying, just trying to stick it to poor Ron, etc., (paraphrased) when she spoke about prior abuse. All the posts in the vein of 'NO! It can't be true, it's a lie, she is making that up, we have no evidence that happened, therefore it can't be true.'

Anyway, all of this just keeps reminding me that it is folly to approach any situation & decide that we will believe the people we like - & disbelieve the people we don't like - even when what we don't like about them has not one thing to do with the essentials of the case.

IOW, thinking Crystal is lying because we don't like her & the way she has conducted herself in the past is more likely than not to result in erroneous conclusions about why Haleigh is missing.

JMO

[Mamie]

Its Scared Monkeys Mamie. I usually just type the name in. Sometimes there's good info on there, and sometimes just a bunch of silly chatter. On a good day its worth a visit, on another, not so much.

Ahh. Well, that's all I need is another site to go to to read, I wouldn't get anything at all done then! LOL

Thanks very much for the info!

[Mamie]

I'm not sure I can type out it's name but let's say it means frightened apes! :laugh:

You are just too cute!!:laugh:

[doctor_J]

My problem with Crystal is how she's acting in the present. The attacks, the emotionless stare, the fake crying (why not just say she had no tears left?) the faking make me suspicious. Of what I'm not sure. Maybe never bonding maternally with the kids, it's strange. I've never seen her in tears, no swollen red eyes, no runny nose. I'm a mess when I cry. Geraldo's makeup artists would be out of luck.

[Money Girl]

Don't most of you feel that cousin Joe is the most likely suspect? -- considering the tiff over the gun, the van disappearing in the night, him going back to Tennessee immediately after, police searching the highway leading to the home where the van was...etc.???

I do not think Cousin Joe had anything to do with it.

[Mamie]

thats not strange either, I have a 6 year old and four year old and there have been times that I didnt realize they peed on their blanket until i went to tuck them in.


Yes, and I'm thinking that maybe Haleigh even hid her jammies she wore the night before so she wouldn't get "found out". (Kids don't think ahead that much to know the blanket is going to give her up the next night.) I was a bedwetter until somewhere in my 6's because I was a sound sleeper and one time I tried blaming my wet sleeping bag on my sister, saying she came over and climbed in and wet my bag but Mom felt her pajamas and they were dry! OOPS! So my point is, if it can be hidden even for a little while, children may do that as an escape from that situation. JMO

[doctor_J]

I thought cousin Joe looked good for it until LE blew him off.

[Adalena935]

But we have no evidence of murder by acquiantance either. We have nothing either way. Except LE called it an abduction.

bolding mine

It's a missing person's case.

[Mamie]

Just lifted from the SM site. You gotta read comment #9 under the article!!!!

Waiting for reactions.

http://erickacourtney.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/crystal-sheffield-ronald-cummings-both-retain-attorneys-lets-see-why/


and #13


Based on the press, here, about the virus, I don't think I want to go there and read. Or is it now safe?

[doctor_J]

I was sure that at least early on LE said the considered it an abduction.

[Mamie]

I finally finished band camp and if I can just remember how to march correctly.
I though the "corba", stated he was working pro bona, any one else remember?

I remember that. And I think Crystal said she did not hire him.

[sunstar]

Just lifted from the SM site. You gotta read comment #9 under the article!!!!

Waiting for reactions.

http://erickacourtney.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/crystal-sheffield-ronald-cummings-both-retain-attorneys-lets-see-why/


and #13

#13 is very interesting, imo. :sneaky:

[Politigal]

I thought cousin Joe looked good for it until LE blew him off.

But the most recent reports indicate they haven't blown him off...

They say he has not been eliminated as a suspect.

[SwineFeld]

What baffles me with the whole cousin Joe thing is, how come Misty and other family members are/were so quick to toss his name out there? Don't they care what he thinks or what he'll have to say after being accused (if he is innocent)? And why hasn't he said anything to the contrary?

Like, I could never imagine just tossing a random family member's name out as a possibility of someone who could have commited a crime. Not unless I was sure they had done it. Or not unless they had made a threat of doing something similar and I heard it. Know what I mean?

Why did they toss his name out so fast? If he weren't guilty, you would think he would have had something to say by now. So far, that I know of, he never has. If someone were accusing me of such an act I sure as hell would have my say in the matter if I were innocent.

I don't know. The whole Joe thing is just strange. Strange that they tossed his name out so fast. Strange that we've never heard from him or anyone who knows him. Just strange all around.

[sunstar]

Here's something else to chew on today. I can't bring individual posts here, but I am reading on two other boards that Cobra has departed Samsuma.

MOO

Any particular reason he left, if it's true?

[sunstar]

Hi Mamie, sorry to have posted and run off, which I am about to do again, but the entire bed wetting story and misty doing laundry that night has me suspicious. As you know, the Sheffield family has said Haliegh had not been wetting the bed.
But didn't they just see her a couple nights every other weekend? It's possible Haleigh didn't wet the bed when she was at Crystal's but would do it when at home. MOO

[Money Girl]

What baffles me with the whole cousin Joe thing is, how come Misty and other family members are/were so quick to toss his name out there? Don't they care what he thinks or what he'll have to say after being accused (if he is innocent)? And why hasn't he said anything to the contrary?

Like, I could never imagine just tossing a random family member's name out as a possibility of someone who could have commited a crime. Not unless I was sure they had done it. Or not unless they had made a threat of doing something similar and I heard it. Know what I mean?

Why did they toss his name out so fast? If he weren't guilty, you would think he would have had something to say by now. So far, that I know of, he never has. If someone were accusing me of such an act I sure as hell would have my say in the matter if I were innocent.

I don't know. The whole Joe thing is just strange. Strange that they tossed his name out so fast. Strange that we've never heard from him or anyone who knows him. Just strange all around.

It's called diversion.

[AmndaRcknwth]

#13 is very interesting, imo. :sneaky:


Several locals saw Misty and Ron at the fair, seemingly living it up.

Does that seem normal to any of you?

How about the ones of you who condemned Casey for partying after she killed her kid?

Just wondering.

[playnice]

But didn't they just see her a couple nights every other weekend? It's possible Haleigh didn't wet the bed when she was at Crystal's but would do it when at home. MOO

My daughter cuts the babies off from fluids before bed time. If they go somewhere and load up on liquids they may pee the bed.

[SwineFeld]

Yeah really. :wink:

It's called diversion.

[teresa]

Just lifted from the SM site. You gotta read comment #9 under the article!!!!

Waiting for reactions.

http://erickacourtney.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/crystal-sheffield-ronald-cummings-both-retain-attorneys-lets-see-why/


and #13

I call BS. One poster says they were at a fair without Jr having the time of their lives while another poster was supposedly there and they DID have Jr and Ron was being an as* because they wouldn't let him on the bumper cars.

Yeah sure.

[Elle]

Several locals saw Misty and Ron at the fair, seemingly living it up.

Does that seem normal to any of you?

How about the ones of you who condemned Casey for partying after she killed her kid?

Just wondering.

I would think if they were at the fair that a picture would have made its way to a news outlet.
imo

[SwineFeld]

Yeah I noticed the Jr comments too.

I call BS. One poster says they were at a fair without Jr having the time of their lives while another poster was supposedly there and they DID have Jr and Ron was being an as* because they wouldn't let him on the bumper cars.

Yeah sure.

[Adalena935]

What baffles me with the whole cousin Joe thing is, how come Misty and other family members are/were so quick to toss his name out there? Don't they care what he thinks or what he'll have to say after being accused (if he is innocent)? And why hasn't he said anything to the contrary?

Like, I could never imagine just tossing a random family member's name out as a possibility of someone who could have commited a crime. Not unless I was sure they had done it. Or not unless they had made a threat of doing something similar and I heard it. Know what I mean?

Why did they toss his name out so fast? If he weren't guilty, you would think he would have had something to say by now. So far, that I know of, he never has. If someone were accusing me of such an act I sure as hell would have my say in the matter if I were innocent.

I don't know. The whole Joe thing is just strange. Strange that they tossed his name out so fast. Strange that we've never heard from him or anyone who knows him. Just strange all around.

LE has said he's not a suspect or person of interest in the case.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html

POSTED: 8:23 pm EST February 21, 2009


http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/tennessee_cousin_not_a_suspect_in_the_case

Story updated at 7:08 AM on Friday, Feb. 27, 2009

[Mamie]

[QUOTE=doneit;12920720]Instead of telling some of us how to post on our ethics and values, why don't you do as you posted.

Tell us what the real answers are to the missing child whose name is
HALEIGH.


"Do as you posted"? What do you mean? I don't understand why you think I have any REAL answers to where this little girl is. I was not telling anyone how to post. I apologize for upsetting you.


seeker, I responded to your IM but had to cut a lot of it out to get it within the 2,000 word limit----lol. Just FYI.

[odyssey]

Several locals saw Misty and Ron at the fair, seemingly living it up.

Does that seem normal to any of you?

How about the ones of you who condemned Casey for partying after she killed her kid?

Just wondering.

I say *Thank you God* that I have not had to walk in their shoes.
I also think what people perceive of others' actions are only perceptions and not absolute.

I see people laugh at funerals. Does not make it right or wrong but there are people who will judge that harshly.

I don't think anyone, in my experience, can be torn down, stressed out, hunched over in a corner crying all the time, especially when, no matter how bad their circumstances are, they still have another child that needs as much stability as possible.

If that means seeking some sort of release, like going to the fair to get minds off things, or to distract a young child, or children, from a very highly stressed event, then so be it.

jmoo

[playnice]

I call BS. One poster says they were at a fair without Jr having the time of their lives while another poster was supposedly there and they DID have Jr and Ron was being an as* because they wouldn't let him on the bumper cars.

Yeah sure.

I was in a bumper car and it stopped real quick and I jammed a finger. Hurt bad.
I dont blame him for not letting him in one. If he gets a bump someone will hollow child abuse. He has to be very protective about what Jr does. Hopefully he doesnt fall and scrape a knee or ron will get accused of trying to break his Knee caps.
I really question these allegations because crystal has changed her stories too. (Alot of people giving inconsistant statements).
I have a feeling that her and her mother were reporting for everything since the day they split up to make life hell. she goes on Ng saying she never saw him hit them and goes on G saying she saw him hit Haleigh and Jr. which is it? she is like Misti, cant keep her stories straight. Makes her unbelievable. JMO

[Adalena935]

It's called diversion.

That was my first thought.

[SwineFeld]

Yes, I know that.

LE has said he's not a suspect or person of interest in the case.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html

POSTED: 8:23 pm EST February 21, 2009


http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/tennessee_cousin_not_a_suspect_in_the_case

Story updated at 7:08 AM on Friday, Feb. 27, 2009

[Mimi428]

#13 is very interesting, imo. :sneaky:

Whoa!

If even half of that is true, that Ron & Misty were out at a fair, living it up, not exactly sober, etc., I don't think that is going to help their public image a whole heck of a lot.

With all the cell phones out there these days that have the capability of taking pix, I am expecting we will see some of the newlyweds IF those comments have any validity.

Sheeesh, another day, another instance of trying to make heads or tails of the daily doings of the grieving father & his young, grieving bride.

JMO

[Adalena935]

I was in a bumper car and it stopped real quick and I jammed a finger. Hurt bad.
I dont blame him for not letting him in one. If he gets a bump someone will hollow child abuse. He has to be very protective about what Jr does. Hopefully he doesnt fall and scape a knee or ron will get accused of trying to break his Knee caps.
I really question these allegations because crystal has changed her stories too. (Alot of people giving inconsistant statements).
I have a feeling that her and her mother were reporting for everything since the day they split up to make life hell. JMO

It's possible Crystal and her dad filed child abuse court documents against Ron 2 years before Haleigh disappeared, then kidnapped Haleigh to try to make Ron look bad but it doesn't seem a likely theory to me.

[cat3]

I would think if they were at the fair that a picture would have made its way to a news outlet.
imo

Yep.Have the people that are claiming this posted any pictures?

[teresa]

LE has said he's not a suspect or person of interest in the case.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18768154/detail.html

POSTED: 8:23 pm EST February 21, 2009


http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/tennessee_cousin_not_a_suspect_in_the_case

Story updated at 7:08 AM on Friday, Feb. 27, 2009

And he has since been "uncleared" Adalena. You keep posting old links or just "Source: CNN" when we've all see other links that say the opposite.

[Mamie]

Hi Mamie, sorry to have posted and run off, which I am about to do again, but the entire bed wetting story and misty doing laundry that night has me suspicious. As you know, the Sheffield family has said Haliegh had not been wetting the bed.

LOL, well atleast you came back to explain why I hadn't heard from you and to say you're going to do it again----LOL. Anyhow, as it turns out from this discussion, it appears lots of us do our laundry at night and it could be that Misty didn't get around to making the beds that day---just because she's the caregiver of those kids, she's still a teenager and probably not into making the beds on a regular basis---nothing wrong with that (IMO) because she is a teenager. So she didn't discover that the blanket smelled bad until she went to put Haleigh to bed. JMO

[playnice]

And he has since been "uncleared" Adalena. You keep posting old links or just "Source: CNN" when we've all see other links that say the opposite.

That is right. Im the past couple of weeks they said he has not been cleared.
See. even Le is giving inconsistant statements. Everyone is doing it.:w00t:

[sunstar]

Hi friend, both of those comments are. Now some peeps were noting the lack of emotion Crystal displays. How can Ron and Misty show up at a fair and act like its an ordinary day. People were using their cell phones to take pics of them, and Misty is asking Ron if she looks okay. Shallow, shallow people, IMO. All the while who knows where Haleigh is. I'm beginning to think we care more than they do. Guess passing out flyers and helping in anyway to find Haleigh is not a day at the beach for these two. Disgraceful.

moo

I guess if they could take time to get married without waiting for Haleigh to come back and be the flower child, I guess there's time to go to the fair too ~ assuming of course they went. Isn't that something Haleigh would've liked to do too? I know a lot of people who just can't stand to "go on as usual" when they've just lost someone they love, especially going to a place that person would enjoy so much. I too am beginning to believe we care more! :sad: MOO

[Elle]

Does it look like Crystal had some botox in her bottom lip? I though also she had said previously she had NEVER seen Ron hit the children. This is not helping find Haleigh...

imo It's probably just lip gloss.

On Nancy Grace Crystal stated that she never witnessed Ron hit the children. On Geraldo Crystal stated she HAS seen Ron beat them.

Nancy Grace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8jxkU9qFs

[cat3]

What is the SM link----so I can avoid it? TIA!

I hate to say anything bad about another site,but I would avoid SM altogether.I haven't been back there for over a month.I picked up something that only a system restore would take care of.Kept trying to download something on my computer.Took me six hours to finally get rid of it.IMO

[Mamie]

It's possible Crystal and her dad filed child abuse court documents against Ron 2 years before Haleigh disappeared, then kidnapped Haleigh to try to make Ron look bad but it doesn't seem a likely theory to me.

Funny you should mention this theory, though, because the very same thing crossed my mind in the beginning----I mean like first week we were hearing about Haleigh's disappearance. I, too, thought Crystal was behind it all. JMO

[Elle]

Yep.Have the people that are claiming this posted any pictures?

Hi Cat
Not that I have seen or am aware of.

[teresa]

I think I'll start a blog about what it is like to be the man who has custody because the mother is unfit. Then, all the dads out there can leave generalized comments about how awful all women who have custody are.

Then, I'll link the comments here. Even if they flat out contradict themselves, they are the gospel because they are on the internet.

I have lived for 12 years with my husband's ex-wife's bitterness so I guess that makes me qualified to judge all women who don't get custody.

[sunstar]

If corba has left it means the money run out. He stated in one link I read he would be here until it did. I was shocked because I was under the impression he was doing this pro bona. Maybe Crystal's lawyer was paying him. LE may not have been so friendly to him as he tried to convince the public.

It might have been a combination of money and maybe not being so welcome there? :shrug: MOO

[cat3]

Hi Cat
Not that I have seen or am aware of.

Thanks.I'm just now reading today and trying to catch up on everything.

[Mimi428]

This is not helping find Haleigh...

<snipped>

What do you believe any or all of them should be doing that will help find Haleigh?

Here's a thought - maybe Ron & Misty heard through the grapevine that Haleigh was abducted by a carny - & they went to the fair to look for themselves last night (SAT). If they did, would that help find Haleigh? If they went for any other reason, would that help find Haleigh?

JMO

[sunstar]

I would think if they were at the fair that a picture would have made its way to a news outlet.
imo

Geraldo hasn't been on yet today! :laugh:

[teresa]

I guess if they could take time to get married without waiting for Haleigh to come back and be the flower child, I guess there's time to go to the fair too ~ assuming of course they went. Isn't that something Haleigh would've liked to do too? I know a lot of people who just can't stand to "go on as usual" when they've just lost someone they love, especially going to a place that person would enjoy so much. I too am beginning to believe we care more! :sad: MOO

Because he may have taken his grieving son somewhere to have some normalcy in his (Junior's) life?

Maybe he should have just gone on Geraldo last night and had a fight with Crystal.

[Ialwayswonda]

I had already read the info about the newlywed Cummings being at the fair on Saturday night.
If this is true, it only goes to prove that young people like Misty want to get out and have fun. IF true, I can not find any logical reason to justify them going there, much less having such a joyful time.
I would be mourning deeply for my child. For Haleigh.
I could not sleep or eat.
However, it isn't to me that they are to justify any of their actions to.
IMO it is to LE and to a higher authority.
One last thing before I retreat to my bunker again: No man Ronald's age has any reason to be living w/a 16 (now) 17 year old girl.
None of our opinions can change that. Sure, if we are old enough, we may have had grandparents who married young and had children and raised a wonderful happy family.
This is a different time. Misty should have been catching the school bus herself and Ronald should have been checking id's. These relationships have and always will exist.
It doesn't make it ethically correct in any way.
There IS a higher source that WILL get an answer in this case. On that we can all be sure.
All of you are full of insight and wisdom. Let's try to use it to gain a clue as to where this child may be.
Be kind to yourselves and others. And remember, sometimes our pain is self-chosen. Sometimes we bring it on ourselves.

JMHO:wub:

[Politigal]

And he has since been "uncleared" Adalena. You keep posting old links or just "Source: CNN" when we've all see other links that say the opposite.

Exactly. The latest report says that Joe has not been eliminated as a suspect.

on another note....I believe Joe's myspace site is definitely being monitored by law enforcement.

I sent a message to him and voila, I got a message from someone else asking if I knew him. Very strange.

[Mamie]

I hate to say anything bad about another site,but I would avoid SM altogether.I haven't been back there for over a month.I picked up something that only a system restore would take care of.Kept trying to download something on my computer.Took me six hours to finally get rid of it.IMO

Thanks for the info-----I think I'll steer clear of it.