View Full Version : Saturday 3/21 Hope for Haleigh
beachpatty
03-21-2009, 07:06 AM
Another weekend is upon is, another weekend with no sign or word of Haleigh :( Yesterday's boards were very active, tension is running high with opinions & theories, lack of any new leads causes posters to hash & rehash any reported.
If Cobra thinks he is on to something, why doesn't he just confer with LE? This is not about his career, this is about a precious missing child. Every time someone like this inserts themselves into a missing child case, it always seems to be for an ulterior motive.
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty
rosieposett
03-21-2009, 07:14 AM
Thanks Patty for the new thread. Maybe today will be the day when we have good news about Haleigh.
About Cobra: I'm taking a "wait and see" and with a grain of salt too. Hopefully some good will come from his antics. jmo
beachpatty
03-21-2009, 07:39 AM
Thanks Patty for the new thread. Maybe today will be the day when we have good news about Haleigh.
About Cobra: I'm taking a "wait and see" and with a grain of salt too. Hopefully some good will come from his antics. jmo
I am waiting, too, it just irks me when someone touts that they know something or have possible evidence, or even insight. This is a missing child not a reality tv show.
Yes, TODAY would be a GREAT day, to bring Haleigh home!
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty
PS Coffee is brewing for those just waking, I think the night crowd has turned in now.
JackiBlu
03-21-2009, 07:49 AM
Another weekend is upon is, another weekend with no sign or word of Haleigh :( Yesterday's boards were very active, tension is running high with opinions & theories, lack of any new leads causes posters to hash & rehash any reported.
If Cobra thinks he is on to something, why doesn't he just confer with LE? This is not about his career, this is about a precious missing child. Every time someone like this inserts themselves into a missing child case, it always seems to be for an ulterior motive.
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty
I think tensions are running high due to all the rumors. It sure would be nice if LE would come out and address the rumors and mistruths that are out there. Also the media isn't getting their stories straight either. LE really needs to address these issues.
Hopefully we will have something new about Haleigh soon.
JMO
CC I See
03-21-2009, 08:51 AM
If Ron married Misty to keep her close to find out what happened to Haleigh then I think he made a mistake. She might be keeping quiet because she doesn't want to lose him and does not tell what she knows about the night Haleigh went missing because if he knew what happened, he would dump her.
He should of instead walked away from the relationship and with nothing more to lose, then Misty would feel that she could "talk" about who was with her that night and what happened to Haleigh.
With the fear of being dumped gone she could then talk but then I guess that it could backfire if she still had hope that they would get back together, Ron would have to make it final once and for all for it to work.
Good Morning,
I guess Nancy is grasping at straws but whatever. She knows they can track sex offenders who wear ankle bracelets. What a ridiculous statement. She's so way off on left field in this case, it's pathetic. Snodgrass has already been investigated and he was nowhere near Haleigh's home per the invesigators but Nancy ignores that fact and continues to point the finger at this guy. Good grief.:thumbdown:
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GRACE: Everybody`s saying, why did he get lawyers? You`ve got two lawyers. Would you blame whim these allegations. Unleash the lawyers. Richard Herman, Ray Giudice. To you, Richard Herman, first in a nutshell, bottom line is until this guy, Daniel Snodgrass, is convicted, we don`t have any supervision over him. He can go anywhere he wants to.
HERMAN: He can go anywhere. Hopefully they`re tailing him. Hopefully they`re doing an investigation on this guy. We have to keep our eye eon the ball, Nancy. We have to find this child.
GRACE: And Ray Giudice, no way to supervise people until they are convicted.
GIUDICE: Wait a second, Nancy. I thought that this man has an ankle bracelet on. That means it`s either GPS and he can be monitored within a foot or phone line land line connection. He can be supervised.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/20/ng.01.html
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/21/news/news02.txt
Thanks for the link, Mom
"Media inquiries have de-creased markedly compared to the frantic days after Haleigh was re-ported missing Feb. 10, Schauland said.
"I'm here all day at the sheriff's office, and I'm taking only six calls and doing one on-camera interview, and that's it," he said."
The real interest now is the drama Crystal, her mother, and her lawyer have whipped up, which this Cobra is now fueling with his gossip about Misty.
Media doesn't have to go to LE for interview requests or for quotes...they can go right to the main players because it has nothing to do with the investigation.
IMO, the FBI is no longer active in this. Probably available if any federal laws are found to be broken, but not a daily presence at the sheriff's office.
The first 48 (IIRC) hours are crucial in a missing persons case. We are so long past that.
I wish Tim Miller hadn't been asked to leave. Ron didn't want him to go, and Ron was right. There was still a lot of searching Tim's volunteers could have done.
Children go missing with no trace and are never found. I am now beginning to think Haleigh is one of those children.
Pat, maybe I'm missing something but how do you know it has nothing to do with the investigation? How do you know what LE is investigating. IIRC, they said their focus has changed and now it's in the investigative stage.
We all know for a fact that nobody has been ruled out as a suspect. Just because this retired cop is sitting in his office doing not much of anything doesn't mean the investigation has stopped. It just means, imo that the focus is now on other aspects of this case and the abuse allegations may very well be one that they may be investigating.
ETA: IMO, the first person to be blamed for taking the focus off Haleigh was her dad. With this whole wedding distraction. How in the world did that help with finding Haleigh or what happened to her? If anyone has a good explanation, please share because I'm still at a loss as to why it had to be done NOW and couldn't wait.
beachpatty
03-21-2009, 09:31 AM
Thanks for the link, Mom
"Media inquiries have de-creased markedly compared to the frantic days after Haleigh was re-ported missing Feb. 10, Schauland said.
"I'm here all day at the sheriff's office, and I'm taking only six calls and doing one on-camera interview, and that's it," he said."
The real interest now is the drama Crystal, her mother, and her lawyer have whipped up, which this Cobra is now fueling with his gossip about Misty.
Media doesn't have to go to LE for interview requests or for quotes...they can go right to the main players because it has nothing to do with the investigation.
IMO, the FBI is no longer active in this. Probably available if any federal laws are found to be broken, but not a daily presence at the sheriff's office.
The first 48 (IIRC) hours are crucial in a missing persons case. We are so long past that.
I wish Tim Miller hadn't been asked to leave. Ron didn't want him to go, and Ron was right. There was still a lot of searching Tim's volunteers could have done.
Children go missing with no trace and are never found. I am now beginning to think Haleigh is one of those children.
I agree with your last sentence (& bolded it). I feel like Haleigh's little body is close to the area, where she lived. I think Tim Miller & his teams would probably been able to find her, had they not left. What bothers me, is the statement by Tim Miller, "she's not here", I just wonder what caused him to come to that conclusion? Look how close Caylee was to her home. I would so hate for this case to grow cold and have someone walking thru the wooded areas around there, or hunters or kids,etc, to stumble across little bones, at a much later date. Does anyone know if they did a complete grid, shoulder to shoulder search, in all the wooded areas, in close proximity, to Green Lane (Street?)?
IF she is in the water, I would think her little body would have surfaced by now.
Day after day, drama builds among the families, end even the posters here. I so wish we could somehow take all that generated energy and use it as a combined search effort, to find Haleigh. As much as I dread even typing the words, I don't think Haleigh is among the living, here on earth any longer. If that is the case, Haleigh is one of God's sweetest angels, safe now in his arms. Her little body deserves the respect of being laid to proper rest and her loved ones deserve the right to grieve and begin the closure process.
MOO
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty
Destini
03-21-2009, 10:25 AM
What is the motive for this "Cobra" to come out with these statements? Is he looking for fame by inserting himself? Is he trying to shake things up?
I fully expect one of two things to happen over the next few days.
Either (1) We will hear of confrontations between Ron & Misty and/or her family, possibly Misty moving out. Even if she does not believe the statements, her family has to wonder about the truth and fear for Misty's safety.
Or (2) Ron or his family will make a statement concerning the untruth of Cobra's statements. If they are fabricated, they are very serious accusations and involve slander. Total silence from Ron would tell me it must be true. I can't imagine not addressing something this serious.
What a mess .... maybe it's all about putting pressure on Misty.
I can't help but wonder when these bounty hunters/P.I's insert themselves into cases if they aren't doing so with LE's blessing.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 10:31 AM
Another weekend is upon is, another weekend with no sign or word of Haleigh :( Yesterday's boards were very active, tension is running high with opinions & theories, lack of any new leads causes posters to hash & rehash any reported.
If Cobra thinks he is on to something, why doesn't he just confer with LE? This is not about his career, this is about a precious missing child. Every time someone like this inserts themselves into a missing child case, it always seems to be for an ulterior motive.
Hope for Haleigh
BeachpattyGood morning Patty and..as always..TY for getting us started...another Saturday...Haleigh still gone.:sad:I cannot/don't want to imagine what a family goes through day after day in a situation where one of your children..has vanished. The sun comes up and the sun goes down...Is there anything in between for this family? There would be NOTHING if I lost one of mine. Gosh..IIRC..many on the board was cheering that Cobra had come into the case. Now..many are woundering if he should have stayed home..I saw Lenny on NG last night and I realized that I had kinda missed his toothpick chewing self..lol..At least w/Lenny I always felt he truly CARED about Caylee.:wub:Lets all hope for a good day in which Haleigh would be found.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 10:39 AM
I am waiting, too, it just irks me when someone touts that they know something or have possible evidence, or even insight. This is a missing child not a reality tv show.
Yes, TODAY would be a GREAT day, to bring Haleigh home!
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty
PS Coffee is brewing for those just waking, I think the night crowd has turned in now.
I was up early and did catch up reading and seems many was up till early morning hours..I go to bed so early so I miss the night time postings. Then always try to catch up but still..always behind.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 10:42 AM
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/21/news/news02.txtMorning mom and TY for the link as always...Article doesn't sound very hopeful IMO..I keep telling myself that LE has much that we have not learned but at the same time I have lost some hope that Haleigh can be brought home alive. :sad:
I'm glad COBRA is onboard. Maybe he'll get to the bottom of it.
It sounds like he's a legitimate Bounty Hunter and knows what he's doing.
It sure doesn't sound good for Misty though. The girl needs to lawyer up and get as far away from Ron as possible, imo.
Owlface
03-21-2009, 10:47 AM
What is the motive for this "Cobra" to come out with these statements? Is he looking for fame by inserting himself? Is he trying to shake things up?
I fully expect one of two things to happen over the next few days.
Either (1) We will hear of confrontations between Ron & Misty and/or her family, possibly Misty moving out. Even if she does not believe the statements, her family has to wonder about the truth and fear for Misty's safety.
Or (2) Ron or his family will make a statement concerning the untruth of Cobra's statements. If they are fabricated, they are very serious accusations and involve slander. Total silence from Ron would tell me it must be true. I can't imagine not addressing something this serious.
What a mess .... maybe it's all about putting pressure on Misty.
I can't help but wonder when these bounty hunters/P.I's insert themselves into cases if they aren't doing so with LE's blessing.
I keep thinking about that but where would Misty move to? She has no money, no attorney. Her parents kicked her out a long time ago. What Cobra said in the audio just confirms what I already suspected and what I think Ron suspected from the very beginning (911 call).
I keep thinking about that but where would Misty move to? She has no money, no attorney. Her parents kicked her out a long time ago. What Cobra said in the audio just confirms what I already suspected and what I think Ron suspected from the very beginning (911 call).
Maybe if she fesses up to what she knows, LE will protect her. Just a thought.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 10:50 AM
I have a question..when did this tape of Cobra made?
Is it possible, LE or someone will say somthing about it today?
I am just wondering how Ron and Misty will react to this, if the tape only came out Friday.
MOOGood morning to you my friend horse..It is only a guess but I would believe LE will NOT be happy with this tape and the broadcast of same. My guess is LE did a re-enactment w/Misty at beginning of case...IIRC on the morning of incident Ron was taken to HQ and LE and Misty remained at MH. LE most likely went through her movements at that time. And NOW in walks BIG BAD COBRA that will solve this case ...was it within a week? Would have to go back and read his comments as my memory just aint what is used to be.lol. Time will tell is MO.
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 10:56 AM
I keep thinking about that but where would Misty move to? She has no money, no attorney. Her parents kicked her out a long time ago. What Cobra said in the audio just confirms what I already suspected and what I think Ron suspected from the very beginning (911 call).
But why marry her?
That's the part that doesn't make a bit of sense.
If I thought that someone was complicit or knew something about my daughter's disappearance, I would not stand up in public and voice my 100% support of them; I wouldn't allow my family members to voice their support; I wouldn't give them an engagement ring and tell everybody that's what my missing daughter wanted.
He is a grown man. Misty is a teenager.
He could have gotten Misty to talk without marrying her. The marriage creates legal problems in and of itself if he's married her under false pretenses and she decides to seek a divorce. What stops her from then going public with her own "version" of events?
JMO
Texas48
03-21-2009, 10:57 AM
I think tensions are running high due to all the rumors. It sure would be nice if LE would come out and address the rumors and mistruths that are out there. Also the media isn't getting their stories straight either. LE really needs to address these issues.
Hopefully we will have something new about Haleigh soon.
JMOITA with tension among ALL..As much as I would like info from LE...they have made their statements to the media and the only ppl they are in contact with and giving updates/info is the family. Aggravates all of us but not much we can do to change the way LE is handling this case. IMO we were so happy in the Caylee case because an arrest was made and because of the sunshine law. In other cases in different states we did not even have that if that state did not have the sunshine law...I have little hope left Haleigh is alive and I pray I am proven wrong...OUR CHILDREN deserve SO MUCH MORE. jmo
Texas48
03-21-2009, 11:13 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/20/haleigh-cummings-case-the-new-bounty-hunter-cobra/
Interesting read mom and TY. Has ANYONE heard/read that LE is familiar w/Cobra? In this report it sates he(Cobra) is well connected with LE. The words that also stuck out at me was...appears to be legitament....may have thrawted off a terroist attack. I find it odd that he would have told Ron about the OTHER man(Greg?) What if Ron went completely OFF and..how do I word it....HARMED Misty? There are alot of thoughts about this man call COBRA. I hope he CAN HELP and does NOT do more harm than good. jmo
Texas48
03-21-2009, 11:18 AM
If Ron married Misty to keep her close to find out what happened to Haleigh then I think he made a mistake. She might be keeping quiet because she doesn't want to lose him and does not tell what she knows about the night Haleigh went missing because if he knew what happened, he would dump her.
He should of instead walked away from the relationship and with nothing more to lose, then Misty would feel that she could "talk" about who was with her that night and what happened to Haleigh.
With the fear of being dumped gone she could then talk but then I guess that it could backfire if she still had hope that they would get back together, Ron would have to make it final once and for all for it to work. I agree CC. I do not think Ron had to MARRY Misty just to "keep her close." They were in a relationship prior to incident and what would make that change? IF Misty did not go back to living w/Ron then she would go back to her mom's house. Either way..she was not going to go that far away that she could NOT be found. This case gets more confusing as time goes by. jmo
Destini
03-21-2009, 11:20 AM
I keep thinking about that but where would Misty move to? She has no money, no attorney. Her parents kicked her out a long time ago. What Cobra said in the audio just confirms what I already suspected and what I think Ron suspected from the very beginning (911 call).
Doesn't she have 2 brothers?
She is a material witness but not under arrest. She could just disappear herself, and I'm thinking this may be why the quickie marriage. Maybe she threatened to leave the area.
But seems this info. that Cobra put out there might push her to do just that. UNLESS Ron will deny it all to her, playing the good guy against Cobra's bad guy. All to confuse her & play with her mind, trying to break her down & get her to slip up. I think Cobra really wants a confrontation with Misty herself. Unlike LE, he doesn't have rules he has to play by. Maybe this is all psyops games.
I could be wrong, but I do think there is something she is not telling. Whether this would help find Haleigh, I don't know.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 11:24 AM
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Law-Enforcement-Learning-Lessons-From-Cummings/TXJ7h7yDZUaNsBenkO7Gnw.cspxAnother good read mom. I can understand why LE would request the homeowners on waterfront POST their address on docks and I would think they would comply. jmo
But why marry her?
That's the part that doesn't make a bit of sense.
If I thought that someone was complicit or knew something about my daughter's disappearance, I would not stand up in public and voice my 100% support of them; I wouldn't allow my family members to voice their support; I wouldn't give them an engagement ring and tell everybody that's what my missing daughter wanted.
He is a grown man. Misty is a teenager.
He could have gotten Misty to talk without marrying her. The marriage creates legal problems in and of itself if he's married her under false pretenses and she decides to seek a divorce. What stops her from then going public with her own "version" of events?
JMO
I don't get the wedding either. The only logical explanation I have is he did it as an "in your face" to someone. Why? I have no clue but maybe we'll find out eventually.
I don't buy Ron being so innocent in all of this. I think he knows more than he's letting on. And you know what? I'm not so sure that Misty isn't protecting Ron because of fear. If the abuse allegations are true, I can certainly see this being the case.
playnice
03-21-2009, 11:25 AM
I agree with Pat. It looks like the case is slowing down.
I also hate that they are learning from this investigation. Its sad that this seems like a training session for them. It sounds like they have been running around in circles.
Can we say Trenton all over again. :sad:
I hope I am wrong.
The focus has turned on a mudslinging campaign and a bounty hunter riding in for his 5 min of fame.
I just dont think this LE is used to dealing with a crime of this magnitude.
Look at the difference in this investigation and the orange Co investigation. You can tell in OC they left no stone unturned by all the docs that have been released. Those guys left nothing behind.
I think one of the strong clues is LE waiting a month to take that door into evidence. That should have been done before the crime scene was released and media and everyone went touring that home.
If this case ever made it to court the defense would get that door evidence (if any) thrown out because of contamination.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 11:27 AM
Thanks for the link, Mom
"Media inquiries have de-creased markedly compared to the frantic days after Haleigh was re-ported missing Feb. 10, Schauland said.
"I'm here all day at the sheriff's office, and I'm taking only six calls and doing one on-camera interview, and that's it," he said."
The real interest now is the drama Crystal, her mother, and her lawyer have whipped up, which this Cobra is now fueling with his gossip about Misty.
Media doesn't have to go to LE for interview requests or for quotes...they can go right to the main players because it has nothing to do with the investigation.
IMO, the FBI is no longer active in this. Probably available if any federal laws are found to be broken, but not a daily presence at the sheriff's office.
The first 48 (IIRC) hours are crucial in a missing persons case. We are so long past that.
I wish Tim Miller hadn't been asked to leave. Ron didn't want him to go, and Ron was right. There was still a lot of searching Tim's volunteers could have done.
Children go missing with no trace and are never found. I am now beginning to think Haleigh is one of those children.
As hard as it is to think/type I believe you are correct. It has been much too long since this child vanished and in my heart I don't believe the outcome will be good.jmo
playnice
03-21-2009, 11:29 AM
Interesting read mom and TY. Has ANYONE heard/read that LE is familiar w/Cobra? In this report it sates he(Cobra) is well connected with LE. The words that also stuck out at me was...appears to be legitament....may have thrawted off a terroist attack. I find it odd that he would have told Ron about the OTHER man(Greg?) What if Ron went completely OFF and..how do I word it....HARMED Misty? There are alot of thoughts about this man call COBRA. I hope he CAN HELP and does NOT do more harm than good. jmo
This doesnt make sense. If Ron has such a violent temper and found out Misti was cheating on him I think he would have beat the crap out of her already. Even a guy with a normal temper would have thrown her butt out the door.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 11:30 AM
Pat, maybe I'm missing something but how do you know it has nothing to do with the investigation? How do you know what LE is investigating. IIRC, they said their focus has changed and now it's in the investigative stage.
We all know for a fact that nobody has been ruled out as a suspect. Just because this retired cop is sitting in his office doing not much of anything doesn't mean the investigation has stopped. It just means, imo that the focus is now on other aspects of this case and the abuse allegations may very well be one that they may be investigating.
ETA: IMO, the first person to be blamed for taking the focus off Haleigh was her dad. With this whole wedding distraction. How in the world did that help with finding Haleigh or what happened to her? If anyone has a good explanation, please share because I'm still at a loss as to why it had to be done NOW and couldn't wait.Good morning my friend n/t....Great thoughts/post n/t. For the life of me I cannot answer your question about the "marriage thingy" (Misty's words) I wish we had alot of answers to so many questions...puzzle pieces...jmo
playnice
03-21-2009, 11:35 AM
I wish an organization or someone that knew how to do stuff would come in and do balloon releases and things like that to get the media there focusing on Haleigh and not on the garbage in Ron and crystals life.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 11:36 AM
What is the motive for this "Cobra" to come out with these statements? Is he looking for fame by inserting himself? Is he trying to shake things up?
I fully expect one of two things to happen over the next few days.
Either (1) We will hear of confrontations between Ron & Misty and/or her family, possibly Misty moving out. Even if she does not believe the statements, her family has to wonder about the truth and fear for Misty's safety.
Or (2) Ron or his family will make a statement concerning the untruth of Cobra's statements. If they are fabricated, they are very serious accusations and involve slander. Total silence from Ron would tell me it must be true. I can't imagine not addressing something this serious.
What a mess .... maybe it's all about putting pressure on Misty.
I can't help but wonder when these bounty hunters/P.I's insert themselves into cases if they aren't doing so with LE's blessing. I so agree w/your post. What if....Misty had NOTHING to do with Haleigh being gone? Even LE has NOT made statements anywhere near what COBRA has come out with....LE has stated NO ONE HAS BEEN RULED OUT..So what is going on with Cobra? Is it possible LE brought him in to stir up TROUBLE? Then LE sits back and watches and waiting? Your right..what a mess. jmo
Owlface
03-21-2009, 11:37 AM
This doesnt make sense. If Ron has such a violent temper and found out Misti was cheating on him I think he would have beat the crap out of her already. Even a guy with a normal temper would have thrown her butt out the door.
I absolutely agree that this doesn't make sense. I do believe Ron has a temper and if he had found out Misty was cheating he would have, although just because we haven't heard that he did doesn't mean he didn't. I'm not sure what to think but more than ever I believe Misty is the key - either she knows who did it or she knows what Ron's involvement was.
playnice
03-21-2009, 11:47 AM
I really dont have a clue who the perp is. You have mom and dad with so much garbage in their lives. Ron may have enemies after revenge, mom wants revenge. The live in SO Haven.
One thing I was thinking about trying to put Jr and cobra stuff together.
Here is my take.
A black man was there banging Misti on the couch is what it sounds like to me. (The bouncy couch and the squeaking sound)
That places Misti at home that night so a SO coming in would not seem possible with 2 adults there even if the sex was that good I think one of them would have seen them. So that only places the guy there that could have taken Haleigh with this scenario.
If this "affair" with Greg is true, and he was at the house that night, what if Haleigh walked in on them having sex on the couch? Could they have harmed her because she witnessed stepmom Misty messing around with someone other than daddy?
Why hasn't this Greg guy been interviewed by LE or has he?
playnice
03-21-2009, 12:06 PM
If this "affair" with Greg is true, and he was at the house that night, what if Haleigh walked in on them having sex on the couch? Could they have harmed her because she witnessed stepmom Misty messing around with someone other than daddy?
Why hasn't this Greg guy been interviewed by LE or has he?
Could be because she was old enough to tell daddy. ITA.If they are going to throw his name out there, there has to be a reason or if I was him Id get a lawyer and sue Cobra for slander. If they arent questioning him they sure need to be.
We saw how happy Misti was to become Mrs Cummings. What extreme would she go to to make this happen?
Hopefully LE knows about these allegations. I sure would be dragging Misti and Gregs butt in and asking some hard questions.
Mimi428
03-21-2009, 12:15 PM
I also hate that they are learning from this investigation. Its sad that this seems like a training session for them. It sounds like they have been running around in circles.
The focus has turned on a mudslinging campaign and a bounty hunter riding in for his 5 min of fame.
I just dont think this LE is used to dealing with a crime of this magnitude.
Look at the difference in this investigation and the orange Co investigation. You can tell in OC they left no stone unturned by all the docs that have been released.
Training session?
No way. The FBI CART team was dispatched immediately to the scene. The FBI is always involved with child abductions & that has been true for 75 years. Links after links have been posted about what they do, the specialty teams they have, etc. More than one article has been written about the massive group effort that is working on this case. Even Marc Klaas on NG this week remarked about it.
This is certainly not directed at you, specifically, but I am always somewhat astonished when folks who are members of true crime message boards post like LE has to reinvent the wheel just because the public is not privy to every little detail of an investigation.
We are frustrated because we don't know. But just because we don't know doesn't mean the case isn't going forward. We would be getting access to the same sorts of documents that have been released in the CA case if an arrest had been made. I don't believe those documents don't exist simply because we have not seen them.
I also believe a PI/Bounty Hunter with the documented experience of Cobra is more than a match for the likes of Ron & Misty & the rest of the people involved in Haleigh's life. At the very least, he has ratcheted up the pressure on Ron & Misty by forcing their hands - since each of them was in front of a pretty large group of people at vigil when Cobra laid out the re-enactment plan - why he wanted it done, how it would be done, the benefit that he hoped to derive from it.
JMO
caphill
03-21-2009, 12:16 PM
This doesnt make sense. If Ron has such a violent temper and found out Misti was cheating on him I think he would have beat the crap out of her already. Even a guy with a normal temper would have thrown her butt out the door.
COBRA is a sh*t stomper. He relayed gossip to Ron about his wife. He set up the whole idea of putting a gun in some one's mouth to force them to talk. After he sets the stage, he then calls LE to do well check because he thought he had created a situation that would cause a violent reaction from Ron. Give me a break. From what I am reading his little ploy backfired on him and now Ron and Misty will steer completely away from him. Methinks Ron and Misty are both smarter than the blow hard Cobra.
The fact he went on radio to smear this 17 yr girl based on rumor shows more of his character than Misty's character. My guess is he will be heading back to whatever rock he crawled out of. He proved to me that he is all brawn and no brains and he railroaded his own investigation. I will guess that local LE will be happy to see him go.
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 12:17 PM
This doesnt make sense. If Ron has such a violent temper and found out Misti was cheating on him I think he would have beat the crap out of her already. Even a guy with a normal temper would have thrown her butt out the door.
Thrown her butt out the door, yes. Married her? No.
Unless.....
The "cheating" was the least of the worries.
KWIM?
playnice
03-21-2009, 12:18 PM
Thrown her butt out the door, yes. Married her? No.
Unless.....
The "cheating" was the least of the worries.
KWIM?
I have to admit, I am one of the few that dont know what KWIM means?:blushing:
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 12:20 PM
I have to admit, I am one of the few that dont know what KWIM means?:blushing:
KWIM? = Know what I mean?
beachpatty
03-21-2009, 12:20 PM
I have to admit, I am one of the few that dont know what KWIM means?:blushing:
Know What I Mean
:smile:
playnice
03-21-2009, 12:21 PM
Know What I Mean
:smile:
whew. I thought it was naughty.:laugh:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 12:23 PM
Doesn't she have 2 brothers?
She is a material witness but not under arrest. She could just disappear herself, and I'm thinking this may be why the quickie marriage. Maybe she threatened to leave the area.
But seems this info. that Cobra put out there might push her to do just that. UNLESS Ron will deny it all to her, playing the good guy against Cobra's bad guy. All to confuse her & play with her mind, trying to break her down & get her to slip up. I think Cobra really wants a confrontation with Misty herself. Unlike LE, he doesn't have rules he has to play by. Maybe this is all psyops games.
I could be wrong, but I do think there is something she is not telling. Whether this would help find Haleigh, I don't know.
Good Morning all............hopefully everyone will be out searching for HaLeigh today! Maybe today she can be found...........praying!
Destini, to me it was evident that Ron did not want to marry Misty. It seemed to me that she was very excited. WHY................did this marriage take place? If we had the answer to this maybe we would know more.
Good question here..............Why did Ron marry Misty?
We read/heard that Misty had left Ron's house and was gone for 3 days just before HaLeigh went missing. I believe that Ron knows/knew that Misty was seeing someone else. I thought that this was an older man. Oh, well, I just do not know what to make of all the facts/rumors that I read.
I agree with LE, Misty holds the key. She needs to tell the truth and let the chips fall where they lay. If she was out, LE needs to know this. If she was passed out, they need to know this. If a friend was there, she needs to tell this...................too many IF'S.
It has not been mentioned much but what/why did LE take Crystal to a vacant house/cabin/shed? What did they find? What were they looking for? This just feel off the charts as far as I know.
MOO is that neither Ron nor Crystal had anything to do with HaLeigh being missing.
Where is HaLeigh???????????????? Who took her?????????????
MrLucky917B
03-21-2009, 12:25 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/20/haleigh-cummings-case-the-new-bounty-hunter-cobra/
Just noticed this line from the article
Ron replied that “she is the only tie he has to Haleigh and that he will keep her until Haleigh returns”
If that is true it fits with his statement of "please return Haleigh, she is not your property"
playnice
03-21-2009, 12:28 PM
Peaches it does seem like the 2 important questions to cracking this case are "Why did Ron marry Misti" and "What is Misti hiding".
caphill
03-21-2009, 12:32 PM
If this "affair" with Greg is true, and he was at the house that night, what if Haleigh walked in on them having sex on the couch? Could they have harmed her because she witnessed stepmom Misty messing around with someone other than daddy?
Why hasn't this Greg guy been interviewed by LE or has he?
Where is there evidence that Haleigh was killed in that trailer. What about the dogs that scented her from the back door down the path and back around to the RR. Kidnapping and disposing of a child is a serious manner and getting caught having a fling doesn't raise to this evil level, IMO.
If Misty and boyfriend were frolicking around on the sofa I would think LE would have found some trace evidence of hair and foreign fingerprints around that house. I am sure the LE has heard the tips and rumors that COBRA has heard. LE has been chasing down the tips and I would bet that have grilled Misty and also questioned the rumored "boyfriends".
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 12:36 PM
whew. I thought it was naughty.:laugh:
Naughty? Me?
Naaaahhhhhh!
:sneaky:
Texas48
03-21-2009, 12:40 PM
This doesnt make sense. If Ron has such a violent temper and found out Misti was cheating on him I think he would have beat the crap out of her already. Even a guy with a normal temper would have thrown her butt out the door.That is IF Ron actually KNEW about the "other man." Is it a posiblity that Ron said he already knew about "Greg" just to save face? IMO..anything is possible..
Texas48
03-21-2009, 12:42 PM
This doesnt make sense. If Ron has such a violent temper and found out Misti was cheating on him I think he would have beat the crap out of her already. Even a guy with a normal temper would have thrown her butt out the door.To add to my other post..cause I hit button too fast...In my post NO WHERE did I state Ron da a VIOLENT temper...and if you will read it again I said.."IF."
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 12:43 PM
Just noticed this line from the article
Ron replied that “she is the only tie he has to Haleigh and that he will keep her until Haleigh returns”
If that is true it fits with his statement of "please return Haleigh, she is not your property"
The "keep her" is what I don't know about.
"Keep her" as in an exchange for Haleigh?
"Keep her" around, as in he will have no further use for her?
I just think IF that was a legal marriage, it's not going to be as simple to undo by just "un-keeping" Misty.
JMO
Peaches
03-21-2009, 12:48 PM
Peaches it does seem like the 2 important questions to cracking this case are "Why did Ron marry Misti" and "What is Misti hiding".
Playnice,
While driving to the mountains last night, I could not stop thinking about this little girl.
She certainly needs to be found and whoever had anything to do with her disappearance needs to be held accountable!
The major players in this case ALL have so much baggage that it must be difficult for LE / FBI...........so many things that must be checked out.
IF Misty was not at home, they (LE/FBI) know this by now. moo
Something has to give............someone needs to tell what they know............and Misty needs to get her act together. Yes, she is only 17 but she does know what she did that night.
Well, I say that and I remember the pupils in her eyes were hugh the next days as she was walking with Ron smoking that cig. If she knew how that looked, she would smoke in private not while on camera.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 12:50 PM
COBRA is a sh*t stomper. He relayed gossip to Ron about his wife. He set up the whole idea of putting a gun in some one's mouth to force them to talk. After he sets the stage, he then calls LE to do well check because he thought he had created a situation that would cause a violent reaction from Ron. Give me a break. From what I am reading his little ploy backfired on him and now Ron and Misty will steer completely away from him. Methinks Ron and Misty are both smarter than the blow hard Cobra.
The fact he went on radio to smear this 17 yr girl based on rumor shows more of his character than Misty's character. My guess is he will be heading back to whatever rock he crawled out of. He proved to me that he is all brawn and no brains and he railroaded his own investigation. I will guess that local LE will be happy to see him go.ITA and a good post caphill.. That is the point I was making...IMO..BIG IF..Ron really did NOT know about whatever this Greg did...then Ron COULD HAVE gone over the edge...He already has his daughter missing and then IF he just now learned what COBRA has stated then it COULD have been a disaster. JMO
Mimi428
03-21-2009, 12:50 PM
So what is going on with Cobra? Is it possible LE brought him in to stir up TROUBLE? Then LE sits back and watches and waiting? Your right..what a mess. jmo
<snipped>
I do not believe LE brought him in. But I do believe that LE is more than happy if he puts the pressure on Misty & Ron. The impasse created by Misty has been going on for 6 weeks now. LE has related that they have already had 30 hours of interviewing her & after all that time they STILL cannot get her inconsistencies resolved.
I know she is not educated, but I do not think she has such a low IQ that she does not have the mental capacity to help LE. I think she knows very well that her interviews with the investigators are between her & them only - & when she walks out of there she can spread a load of BS a mile long to everyone else about how hard she is trying, how she really wants to help, boo hoo hoo, she would never hurt a child, etc.
LE is not only carrying the burden of investigation, they have the responsibility to make sure that an arrest can be successfully prosecuted. They have an obligation to make sure their case can hold up in court. A PI can do all sorts of things that an investigator could not do without risking a successful prosecution. Cobra does not have that risk attached to him - he can get in Misty or Ron's face in front of an audience & challenge them publicly to put up or shut up. He can expose them for being duplicitous. And he can do it in a very bold fashion.
JMO
MrLucky917B
03-21-2009, 12:53 PM
I wish an organization or someone that knew how to do stuff would come in and do balloon releases and things like that to get the media there focusing on Haleigh and not on the garbage in Ron and crystals life.
If it weren't for all the garbage Haleigh probably wouldn't get any coverage, just look at the past week the mainstream media hardly gave any time to Haleigh and the opinion shows just disscussed the garbage.
Today's local paper's story is about the LE spokesman leaving because of lack of interest from the media, even though it is LE that is not giving out any info.
JMO
Texas48
03-21-2009, 12:54 PM
Good Morning all............hopefully everyone will be out searching for HaLeigh today! Maybe today she can be found...........praying!
Destini, to me it was evident that Ron did not want to marry Misty. It seemed to me that she was very excited. WHY................did this marriage take place? If we had the answer to this maybe we would know more.
Good question here..............Why did Ron marry Misty?
We read/heard that Misty had left Ron's house and was gone for 3 days just before HaLeigh went missing. I believe that Ron knows/knew that Misty was seeing someone else. I thought that this was an older man. Oh, well, I just do not know what to make of all the facts/rumors that I read.
I agree with LE, Misty holds the key. She needs to tell the truth and let the chips fall where they lay. If she was out, LE needs to know this. If she was passed out, they need to know this. If a friend was there, she needs to tell this...................too many IF'S.
It has not been mentioned much but what/why did LE take Crystal to a vacant house/cabin/shed? What did they find? What were they looking for? This just feel off the charts as far as I know.
MOO is that neither Ron nor Crystal had anything to do with HaLeigh being missing.
Where is HaLeigh???????????????? Who took her?????????????agree Peaches..Ya know I had forgotten that LE took Crystal to the vacant house. Good that you brought it back up..ITA Ron nor Crystal harmed this child. Sooooo....where is Haleigh?jmo
Mimi428
03-21-2009, 12:58 PM
Could be because she was old enough to tell daddy. ITA.If they are going to throw his name out there, there has to be a reason or if I was him Id get a lawyer and sue Cobra for slander. If they arent questioning him they sure need to be.
We saw how happy Misti was to become Mrs Cummings. What extreme would she go to to make this happen?
Hopefully LE knows about these allegations. I sure would be dragging Misti and Gregs butt in and asking some hard questions.
No slander if the guy isn't fully identified. I'm sure there is more than one person in the area named Greg. Also, in order to prove slander, you would have to prove that not only was it a lie, the person telling it knew it was a lie & deliberately told it knowing it was a lie.
JMO
Texas48
03-21-2009, 12:59 PM
Good morning Folks
I was trying to research something else when I came across this interview between Ron and NG. It was taped about a month ago, and in this interview Ron's says two things that stuck out.
1. Misty, Junior and Haleigh were all in the same bed.
2. The rear (side) door was WIDE open.I thought the door was ajar.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&ei=6fvESbmDM6rlnQemgYnbDg&resnum=1&q=NANCY%20GRACE%20RONALD%20misty%20jr%20haleigh%20 in%20same%20bed&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=NANCY+GRACE+RONALD+cummings&hl=en&emb=0
moo
oops, you have to look to the left for the video I'm speaking of. Not the Saturday Nite Life Video that is featured.Morning to you Sw..Good to see ya here today. There was a replay/part of..same interview shown on HLN..M. Galantos..and Ron said they were..the 3 of them..in the same bed.. TY for the link as always..Can't do WITHOUT YOU...jmo
MrLucky917B
03-21-2009, 01:01 PM
Mr. Lucky
Are you leaning towards Haleigh being held captive somewhere?
Right now I'm not leaning any way, without any confirmed facts it's hard to guess what really happened.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 01:02 PM
Where is there evidence that Haleigh was killed in that trailer. What about the dogs that scented her from the back door down the path and back around to the RR. Kidnapping and disposing of a child is a serious manner and getting caught having a fling doesn't raise to this evil level, IMO.
If Misty and boyfriend were frolicking around on the sofa I would think LE would have found some trace evidence of hair and foreign fingerprints around that house. I am sure the LE has heard the tips and rumors that COBRA has heard. LE has been chasing down the tips and I would bet that have grilled Misty and also questioned the rumored "boyfriends".
I agree again caphill...IMO LE has info on ALL these people and some extra. :ohmy:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 01:06 PM
No slander if the guy isn't fully identified. I'm sure there is more than one person in the area named Greg. Also, in order to prove slander, you would have to prove that not only was it a lie, the person telling it knew it was a lie & deliberately told it knowing it was a lie.
JMO
Mimi...............
BUT, if this is untrue, look what has been added to Misty's reputation. Not good.....moo
I would think that before anyone said anything along these lines, they would know beyond a doubt that it was true. That's just me. Soooooooooooo as much as I hate to admit it, maybe this Cobra was telling the truth and maybe Ron already knew it.
At this very moment, I do not know what I think. It is that bad!:confused:
But, I do still feel that neither Ron nor Crystal hurt their child.
Just as LE does, I do think the truth will start with Misty telling what she knows/remembers. Just looking at her eyes that morning, I think she had taken either prescribed drugs or drugs of some kind. But, of course, that is ONLY my opinion.
Misty please tell LE the truth and what you remember. HaLeigh needs to be found.
HaLeigh where are you?????????????
Texas48
03-21-2009, 01:12 PM
If it weren't for all the garbage Haleigh probably wouldn't get any coverage, just look at the past week the mainstream media hardly gave any time to Haleigh and the opinion shows just disscussed the garbage.
Today's local paper's story is about the LE spokesman leaving because of lack of interest from the media, even though it is LE that is not giving out any info.
JMOI will agree Mr. Lucky..Is this called the "JUICE of a CASE?" I remember back just the day before the marraige proposal and marraige took place..the case seemed to be slowing down and then BAM..it took off. jmo
Mimi428
03-21-2009, 01:14 PM
ITA and a good post caphill.. That is the point I was making...IMO..BIG IF..Ron really did NOT know about whatever this Greg did...then Ron COULD HAVE gone over the edge...He already has his daughter missing and then IF he just now learned what COBRA has stated then it COULD have been a disaster. JMO
If the unofficial transcript at SM is essentially accurate, the way Cobra related the story was that Ron told him the he (Ron) already about Misty's supposed activities.
Check it here...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4718.1080
Scroll down & the transcription is written out - notice this part...
I said Ronald, I have a very difficult question to ask you, about your now wife. It appears one week before Haliegh came up missing, she was. And Ronald told meto "stop right there, I know what you are going to ask me, yes was she ****ing a black guy? Yes, how do I feel about her ****ing a black guy?
According to that, Ron knew it before the subject was ever brought up.
So why is Ron biding his time, waiting out Misty, when his child has been missing for over a month???
JMO
Texas48
03-21-2009, 01:15 PM
Right now I'm not leaning any way, without any confirmed facts it's hard to guess what really happened.I agree about the comfirmed FACTS..actually..how much do we know for a certainty? Haleigh has vanished...That is #1. :confused:as usual
Texas48
03-21-2009, 01:20 PM
Mimi...............
BUT, if this is untrue, look what has been added to Misty's reputation. Not good.....moo
I would think that before anyone said anything along these lines, they would know beyond a doubt that it was true. That's just me. Soooooooooooo as much as I hate to admit it, maybe this Cobra was telling the truth and maybe Ron already knew it.
At this very moment, I do not know what I think. It is that bad!:confused:
But, I do still feel that neither Ron nor Crystal hurt their child.
Just as LE does, I do think the truth will start with Misty telling what she knows/remembers. Just looking at her eyes that morning, I think she had taken either prescribed drugs or drugs of some kind. But, of course, that is ONLY my opinion.
Misty please tell LE the truth and what you remember. HaLeigh needs to be found.
HaLeigh where are you?????????????All in your post makes sense Peaches..and Misty's eyes did look bad that morning..but..is it possible it was because she was tired..frantic..been crying???? Looking back Ron looked bad as well and not many days later he started wearing sunglasses almost fulltime. Just another thought..jmo
Texas48
03-21-2009, 01:23 PM
If the unofficial transcript at SM is essentially accurate, the way Cobra related the story was that Ron told him the he (Ron) already about Misty's supposed activities.
Check it here...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4718.1080
Scroll down & the transcription is written out - notice this part...
I said Ronald, I have a very difficult question to ask you, about your now wife. It appears one week before Haliegh came up missing, she was. And Ronald told meto "stop right there, I know what you are going to ask me, yes was she ****ing a black guy? Yes, how do I feel about her ****ing a black guy?
According to that, Ron knew it before the subject was ever brought up.
So why is Ron biding his time, waiting out Misty, when his child has been missing for over a month???
JMOOh..thank you mimi..I did not go far enough when I read it....and you are right..why is he waiting?
Mimi428
03-21-2009, 01:25 PM
Mimi...............
BUT, if this is untrue, look what has been added to Misty's reputation. Not good.....moo
I would think that before anyone said anything along these lines, they would know beyond a doubt that it was true. That's just me. Soooooooooooo as much as I hate to admit it, maybe this Cobra was telling the truth and maybe Ron already knew it.
At this very moment, I do not know what I think. It is that bad!:confused:
But, I do still feel that neither Ron nor Crystal hurt their child.
Just as LE does, I do think the truth will start with Misty telling what she knows/remembers. Just looking at her eyes that morning, I think she had taken either prescribed drugs or drugs of some kind. But, of course, that is ONLY my opinion.
Misty please tell LE the truth and what you remember. HaLeigh needs to be found.
HaLeigh where are you?????????????
Oh, I completely agree that spreading the word about Misty having such activities going on is downright embarassing. But is it reasonable to think that she (or anyone) would rather thwart an investigation of finding this innocent little child just to protect her reputation?
I think if you are in her position, knowing you risk being arrested for lying to the FBI, risk being charged with obstruction, child endangerment, etc. - the mortification of admitting in private to investigators that you were having relations with another guy would be mighty pale in comparison. Because the bottom line is that LE would have taken that information & MOVED ON with the investigation.
JMO
Peaches
03-21-2009, 01:26 PM
LOL, friend, I should be at the market, My pantry is empty. But I seem to log on every so often to see if there is any Haleigh news. And then I can't get away.:mad:
I would like to join Texas and others saying TY for your links.
I appreciate your efforts.
With all this "food for thought" maybe you can make it through the day. :laugh:
Go shopping SW.............you will be able to catch up when you return. Please bring us all sandwich. TIA BTW, I love Dr. Pepper and I have enough so no reason to bring me a drink............others may be having "sweet tea." :D
march27
03-21-2009, 01:45 PM
What is the motive for this "Cobra" to come out with these statements? Is he looking for fame by inserting himself? Is he trying to shake things up?
I fully expect one of two things to happen over the next few days.
Either (1) We will hear of confrontations between Ron & Misty and/or her family, possibly Misty moving out. Even if she does not believe the statements, her family has to wonder about the truth and fear for Misty's safety.
Or (2) Ron or his family will make a statement concerning the untruth of Cobra's statements. If they are fabricated, they are very serious accusations and involve slander. Total silence from Ron would tell me it must be true. I can't imagine not addressing something this serious.
What a mess .... maybe it's all about putting pressure on Misty.
I can't help but wonder when these bounty hunters/P.I's insert themselves into cases if they aren't doing so with LE's blessing.
Another option could be that the statements are false but Ron doesnt come out and say anything because that would further take the focus off of Haleigh. Its almost like when you read Star magazine or any other tabloid that has headlines like "Brad and Jens late night phone calls". The articles are usually false but you rarely hear about the celebrities coming out and making a statement because it just adds fuel to the fire. If Ron knows the allegations are false in his heart maybe he doesnt care what everyone thinks and wants to keep the focus on Haleigh. I agree the accusations are very serious and if it was me I dont know if I could keep quiet. On the other hand if my daughter was missing I could care less about my reputation. I would do everything I could to keep the focus on her. The first thing I realized when I had kids is that I dont come first anymore and thats ok.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 01:50 PM
Another option could be that the statements are false but Ron doesnt come out and say anything because that would further take the focus off of Haleigh. Its almost like when you read Star magazine or any other tabloid that has headlines like "Brad and Jens late night phone calls". The articles are usually false but you rarely hear about the celebrities coming out and making a statement because it just adds fuel to the fire. If Ron knows the allegations are false in his heart maybe he doesnt care what everyone thinks and wants to keep the focus on Haleigh. I agree the accusations are very serious and if it was me I dont know if I could keep quiet. On the other hand if my daughter was missing I could care less about my reputation. I would do everything I could to keep the focus on her. The first thing I realized when I had kids is that I dont come first anymore and thats ok.
Excellent thoughts here............yes, nothing matters except find HaLeigh at this point----that is except making sure Ron, Jr. is safe.
With Ron living with is ggm, I think he will be safe....and I do not know if Ron's mother has returned to work. At any rate, working or not, I feel certain that she will spend time with this precious baby too.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 01:52 PM
Oh wow, that you all. That is exactly what I was trying to say yesterday.
jmo
It's great seeing you today!
Was Misty with this Greg person when Ron went to bring her back home after she was gone 3 days.............what do you think?
i_pickle
03-21-2009, 02:01 PM
Good morning Folks
I was trying to research something else when I came across this interview between Ron and NG. It was taped about a month ago, and in this interview Ron's says two things that stuck out.
1. Misty, Junior and Haleigh were all in the same bed.
2. The rear (side) door was WIDE open.I thought the door was ajar.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&ei=6fvESbmDM6rlnQemgYnbDg&resnum=1&q=NANCY%20GRACE%20RONALD%20misty%20jr%20haleigh%20 in%20same%20bed&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=NANCY+GRACE+RONALD+cummings&hl=en&emb=0
moo
oops, you have to look to the left for the video I'm speaking of. Not the Saturday Nite Life Video that is featured.I just recently saw that early interview too. Not sure if it was played on NG or JVM, but it was one of the two. It's hard to keep track when you watch and read so much.
He did say all three were in one bed. This was before Misty changed her story to Haleigh sleeping on the toddler mattress, iirc.
i_pickle
03-21-2009, 02:04 PM
Oh wow, that you all. That is exactly what I was trying to say yesterday.
jmoThe reason why I have trouble with this is because Ron had this interview with Cobra on Tues. This is Sat. If he were going to do something to Misty, he would've done it by now, imo.
Mimi428
03-21-2009, 02:05 PM
Another option could be that the statements are false but Ron doesnt come out and say anything because that would further take the focus off of Haleigh.
<snipped>
If the statements were false, why would Ron have given Cobra the PI the time of day when they were discussing it? It could have said to him, 'hey man, I know about those rumors & I know they are false'.
Ron didn't say that. Ron did not deny the rumors. In fact, before Cobra could even TELL the rumor Ron stopped him & said he already knew about it.
You think Cobra the PI is going to make statements he knows to be false on the radio when Ron has hired two attorneys who specialize in personal injury?
I
DON'T
THINK
SO.
JMO
MrLucky917B
03-21-2009, 02:08 PM
Could this be the WBGreg Cobra is talking about?
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=747045&IMG=52125
Money Girl
03-21-2009, 02:08 PM
I noticed the Cobra link is no longer on 97.3. IMO, we should no longer discuss it.
Mimi428
03-21-2009, 02:10 PM
The reason why I have trouble with this is because Ron had this interview with Cobra on Tues. This is Sat. If he were going to do something to Misty, he would've done it by now, imo.
ITA
No way can I believe that Ron thinks Misty knows something AND he is going to just sit around & wait for her to tell him or slip up. Good grief, his own child's LIFE is at stake here.
I would be more inclined to think he would do something to Misty to shut her up than I would be thinking he believes Misty knows more than what she is saying & he married her just to keep her close. Puh-lease. You'd have to be born last night to believe a wedding band is going to shackle her to him. She can walk out & walk away from him without even so much as a blink of her eye, married or not.
JMO
TobyWong
03-21-2009, 02:11 PM
Yesterday someone was asking about these pics. Lots of Misty's 1st boyfriend and 1 pic of another one 'billy'. I think she created these. iirc but i cant remember who posted them here.
http://imikimi.com/croslin?view_mode=published
Money Girl
03-21-2009, 02:13 PM
Good morning Folks
I was trying to research something else when I came across this interview between Ron and NG. It was taped about a month ago, and in this interview Ron's says two things that stuck out.
1. Misty, Junior and Haleigh were all in the same bed.
2. The rear (side) door was WIDE open.I thought the door was ajar.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&ei=6fvESbmDM6rlnQemgYnbDg&resnum=1&q=NANCY%20GRACE%20RONALD%20misty%20jr%20haleigh%20 in%20same%20bed&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=NANCY+GRACE+RONALD+cummings&hl=en&emb=0
moo
oops, you have to look to the left for the video I'm speaking of. Not the Saturday Nite Life Video that is featured.
Thanks for the link. I remembered this distinctly upon viewing again. Guess the change in the story about all 3 being in the same bed is one of Misty's "inconsistencies" that LE was talking about.
The thing that troubles me about the sleeping arrangement is that we previously heard that the tracking dogs originally brought in got Haleigh's scent from the bedding that was on the mattress on the floor. If Haleigh was not on that matress, then how could the dogs be tracking her scent. I wonder if the dogs were actually tracking Misty's scent as I remember reading (sorry no link at this time) that Misty was seen at the railroad tracks and at the dock. MOO
i_pickle
03-21-2009, 02:19 PM
ITA
No way can I believe that Ron thinks Misty knows something AND he is going to just sit around & wait for her to tell him or slip up. Good grief, his own child's LIFE is at stake here.
I would be more inclined to think he would do something to Misty to shut her up than I would be thinking he believes Misty knows more than what she is saying & he married her just to keep her close. Puh-lease. You'd have to be born last night to believe a wedding band is going to shackle her to him. She can walk out & walk away from him without even so much as a blink of her eye, married or not.
JMOI agree. His daughter's life is at stake and imo, he doesn't have the kind of personality to lay back and wait for her to slip up.
There's so many things that just don't make sense. Imo, Ron and Misty aren't telling everything that they know and that's the problem.
All the other things aside, Haleigh disappeared from that house under the watch of Misty and Ron. They are hiding things, for whatever reason, and that is why everything seems to be at a standstill.
I was hoping Cobra could shake things up a bit and I still hope that. It's better than nothing and the more people actively looking for her, the better, imo.
i_pickle
03-21-2009, 02:27 PM
I really hope thats the case. No matter what is going on with Misty, I hope someone is there to remind Ron that Haleigh could come home and theres junior to think about. Even though I don't know if I could do the same, re: Misty.
jmoThis is why I think it's highly possible that Ron knew most, if not all, of this before hearing it from Cobra.
As I said yesterday, just because it's new to us, doesn't mean it's new to them.
So then you gotta wonder why he would marry her. The only thing that makes sense to me is that she has something on him, or he needs her for some reason and that's why he's "keeping her around."
I think it might have something to do with the custody issue.
Of course I could be completely wrong but this is what makes sense to me.
Money Girl
03-21-2009, 02:31 PM
Yesterday someone was asking about these pics. Lots of Misty's 1st boyfriend and 1 pic of another one 'billy'. I think she created these. iirc but i cant remember who posted them here.
http://imikimi.com/croslin?view_mode=published
Thanks for the link
playnice
03-21-2009, 02:39 PM
This is why I think it's highly possible that Ron knew most, if not all, of this before hearing it from Cobra.
As I said yesterday, just because it's new to us, doesn't mean it's new to them.
So then you gotta wonder why he would marry her. The only thing that makes sense to me is that she has something on him, or he needs her for some reason and that's why he's "keeping her around."
I think it might have something to do with the custody issue.
Of course I could be completely wrong but this is what makes sense to me.
The timing falls right in place with the announcement of the attorney for Crystal .
playnice
03-21-2009, 02:40 PM
My thinking on this marriage is because of her age, he didn't need any more problems with Haleigh being missing. By marrying her, that takes care of that problem. And I also think when and if Haleigh ever comes back, Misty is history.
jmo
He will probably keep her until Haleigh is found and this abuse and custody issue is settled.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Bachatcha Peaches
I have no clue what to think. I went with my gut instincts on Casey and Cindy. I knew from about the second day.
With this case, my gut said no about Ron and Misty. Ron, I feel it innocent. I don't even feel he's this bada$$ that people want to tag him with.
Misty, my gut said why would she harm Haleigh. If she wanted to mess around, she didn't have to stay with Ron. Her and her mom seem to be ok now. But with this news, IF true, changes my thoughts somewhat.
Crystal, I just don't like her much. My gut again. Did she have anything to do with Haleigh missing, right now I don't think so.
Cobra, he kind of pizzed me off putting that info out there. True or not, I have a problem with it. With daddys little girl still out there, and the frame of mind I would expect him to be in, that info could have pushed him over the edge.
Ron's mom and grandmom, I don't believe for one second they know or feel Ron had anything to do with Haleigh being missing.
Crystals mom, I don't care much for her either. My gut again.
jmo
We agree on so much. I think that Ron is growing up slowly but he has always been there for his babies. This is why I do not think he is sure the other baby boy is his. To me, you do not love one child more than another. He may feel more protective toward HaLeigh because of her illness and because she is a girl, but for the life of me, I can not see him walking away from a child that was his and needed him. moo
I do not for 1 minute think that Ron had anything to do with HaLeigh's disappearance. I think Misty is not telling all she knows.....but, I can not see her hurthing HaLeigh.
MOO of Crystal is that she is not a very good parent. Any parent who would chose to live so far from her children thinking they were being abused leaves me cold.....as cold as I think she is. Mothers are suppose to protect/care for/love their children if they do nothing else for them.
Crystal's mother ---------moo is that she is a very harsh woman. And a lot of other words too...........I think she is the one pushing Crystal to say ugly things about Ron.
Crystal's attorney............moo is she is looking for media time. I am not sure that Crystal wants the responsibility of Ron, Jr........the brat.
IF.........it is Misty who is holding up LE with her statements, she needs to take herself and her attorney and get to the bottom of what is true/what is not.
Cobra.............he is JERK............smearing Misty with no proof. His message is just crude and should not have been aired or published.
moo
WHERE IS HALEIGH
Money Girl
03-21-2009, 02:42 PM
Is there any way we could search for Haleigh virtually using Google Earth?
Money Girl
03-21-2009, 02:44 PM
Just saw "teaser" on HLN re: Nancy Grace tonight and this case. It was something like "Has a clue been found?" Anyone know what that's about?
Don't know what this is about, but it reminds me of her other "teaser" about a clue on a FL highway.
KKKKKKatie
03-21-2009, 02:44 PM
Just saw "teaser" on HLN re: Nancy Grace tonight and this case. It was something like "Has a clue been found?" Anyone know what that's about?
Isn't her show on the weekend a repeat???
playnice
03-21-2009, 02:45 PM
Just saw "teaser" on HLN re: Nancy Grace tonight and this case. It was something like "Has a clue been found?" Anyone know what that's about?
Yes it was one of the shows last week and she never even mentioned it. It was about the last search that happened along the road. The day Ron got married.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 02:45 PM
My thinking on this marriage is because of her age, he didn't need any more problems with Haleigh being missing. By marrying her, that takes care of that problem. And I also think when and if Haleigh ever comes back, Misty is history.
jmo
So do I...........not matter the outcome, Misty is history!
You can tell that by how Ron was acting throughout this wedding ordeal. He was not a happy camper! moo
SwineFeld
03-21-2009, 02:45 PM
I thought her weekend shows were just reruns of what she had on during the week?
Just saw "teaser" on HLN re: Nancy Grace tonight and this case. It was something like "Has a clue been found?" Anyone know what that's about?
I think Ron married Misty because he thought it would make him feel better, and for no other reason. I don't think he has any kind of ulterior motive, like, getting her to open up, getting her to shut up, etc. I think Ron thought he'd feel some pain relief.
You know when you watch a football game, and some guy gets really injured and he's just writhing around on the stretcher with no apparent goal - just writhing in some kind of effort to relieve the pain?
That's what Ron looks to me like he's doing. Writhing around. And marrying Misty didn't, in fact, ease any pain.
ITA! especially if as all the evidence we have so far shows haleigh loved misty. Even crystal agrees with that. And imo he loved misty too or they wouldn't have been together or at least thought he did-yes i know it might not be the way we talk about someone we love even when angry but ppl are different. Given that, he believes her story and looks at the inconsistencies as just her being upset.
He strikes me as not emotionally secure, and fgs who could be after having the sun of his life, little daughter be ripped out of it. Like you said, he wanted to relieve the pain a little and perhaps felt he needed to tie misty to him - not in so many words but he cant be feeling secure in anything right now so perhaps that was a way for him to feel that something was stable and good. Even Jr. is not secure with crystal and her attorney trying to smear dirt on him and charging abuse.
so yeah i see no ulterior motive, just a heartbroken and confused man trying to make something stay solid in his life.
playnice
03-21-2009, 02:51 PM
I do have to give Ron credit for what he did. Most guys his age would not have fought for custody and took repsonsibility for those babies. They would have been happy to let mom do it and some wouldnt even pay the child support. Im sure he made mistakes with it. We all do. But I dont think he is as bad a guy as some make him out to be.
I do believe he loves his babies. I think this has took a toll on him even before the abuse and custody issues. He has lost alot of weight and looks like crap.
i_pickle
03-21-2009, 02:54 PM
The timing falls right in place with the announcement of the attorney for Crystal .It does.
And Ron getting an attorney right around the release of the Cobra interview doesn't seem coincidental either.
FrankieBones1
03-21-2009, 02:54 PM
Just saw "teaser" on HLN re: Nancy Grace tonight and this case. It was something like "Has a clue been found?" Anyone know what that's about?
It could be a rerun from this past week. I remember seeing that 'Teaser' earlier this week. I commented on it at the time saying, "Why don't they just say if there is a clue or not."
Peaches
03-21-2009, 02:55 PM
Does anyone know if renovations are being done on HaLeighbug House?
I heard/read that it was a resturant before so there would be a restroom buy no shower? Or at least this is my thought.
There would be a kitchen - stoves - ovens - freezers - etc so that meals would be no problem.
Rooms for offices and sleeping...........yes..............
Just bathing facilities would need to be installed and maybe a few walls added.
What do you know.
Mr. Lucky, have you visited?????????????
Money Girl
03-21-2009, 02:55 PM
Isn't her show on the weekend a repeat???
I personally think about 75% of her shows are repeats of the same info.
KKKKKKatie
03-21-2009, 02:56 PM
I personally think about 75% of her shows are repeats of the same info.
LOL Girl.....I can't argue that!
FrankieBones1
03-21-2009, 03:01 PM
Haven't really read up on Willie Staubs until this morning so I have to wonder if he has spoken with Crystal. Have to wonder where he got his tidbit about Greg.
(Staubs=Cobra)
i_pickle
03-21-2009, 03:01 PM
IMHO It looks as though RC outsmarted himself and got in way over his head. I think the custody of Jr is what forced him to marry Misty, Looks like Misty was used as a babysitter(probably doesn't matter to him who she slept with) but most likely she was involved with even shadier characters than he was. I don't think he is involved in Haleigh being missing, but his effort to keep the children away from crystal caused him worse grief. I wish they would drop the lawyers come to an agreement to have joint custody, then RC could have GM or GGM babysit for him while he is working every other week,JMO
As far as Misty she is involed in this in some way or another, she is a cumpulsive liar. I saw where she told a reporter that RC was't screaming at her. what other B____ would let his child get stole. She lies when she doesn't have to and that is what is frustrating LE.JMObold mine
I think that Ron's efforts to get custody and keep custody has more to do with Crystal than the kids. Couples use their kids against each other all the time, unfortunately and that's what I think was going on here.
We agree on so much. I think that Ron is growing up slowly but he has always been there for his babies. This is why I do not think he is sure the other baby boy is his. To me, you do not love one child more than another. He may feel more protective toward HaLeigh because of her illness and because she is a girl, but for the life of me, I can not see him walking away from a child that was his and needed him. moo
I do not for 1 minute think that Ron had anything to do with HaLeigh's disappearance. I think Misty is not telling all she knows.....but, I can not see her hurthing HaLeigh.
MOO of Crystal is that she is not a very good parent. Any parent who would chose to live so far from her children thinking they were being abused leaves me cold.....as cold as I think she is. Mothers are suppose to protect/care for/love their children if they do nothing else for them.
Crystal's mother ---------moo is that she is a very harsh woman. And a lot of other words too...........I think she is the one pushing Crystal to say ugly things about Ron.
Crystal's attorney............moo is she is looking for media time. I am not sure that Crystal wants the responsibility of Ron, Jr........the brat.
IF.........it is Misty who is holding up LE with her statements, she needs to take herself and her attorney and get to the bottom of what is true/what is not.
Cobra.............he is JERK............smearing Misty with no proof. His message is just crude and should not have been aired or published.
moo
WHERE IS HALEIGH
:thumbsup: I agree with every word especially the part about ron growing up slowly but always being there for his babies. There are dads out there with university degrees and 6 figure incomes who don't want the responsibility of a chronically ill child let alone being a single dad if there is a choice. That he did and did his best, tells me who he is inside whatever the exterior language.
i still think its an SO and the excessive concentration on misty is due to her inconsistencies but does not necessarily mean she was involved..in fact i think she was not. LE doesn't have anything else though, and just like in the lunsford case with nothing else they have zeroed in on her. I hope they don't give up checking the ppl who live in the area out, not just known SO's though.
FrankieBones1
03-21-2009, 03:02 PM
LOL Girl.....I can't argue that!Pretty much like this forum. Not much to show as new when LE is keeping tight-lipped.
KKKKKKatie
03-21-2009, 03:03 PM
Pretty much like this forum. Not much to show as new when LE is keeping tight-lipped.
Unfortunately yes Frankie! It is so frustrating :cursing:
playnice
03-21-2009, 03:03 PM
I personally think about 75% of her shows are repeats of the same info.
I believe so too since she had the twins. Maybe its time for Mike Brooks to take that show over. :biggrin:
She is running a couple of days behind on info too. Very little is late breaking if at all any more. By the time her bombshells hit the airwaves its done been hashed and rehashed to death here.
I still like it because she is the only one (except with the addition of the misinformed Janes show) that keeps these stories out there.
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 03:05 PM
Just saw "teaser" on HLN re: Nancy Grace tonight and this case. It was something like "Has a clue been found?" Anyone know what that's about?
Most, if not all, of her weekend shows are repeats. IIRC, the night that aired, they never did address "Has a clue been found?", but I think they were referring to the search that was done by the side of the hiway. JMO
MrLucky917B
03-21-2009, 03:08 PM
Just saw "teaser" on HLN re: Nancy Grace tonight and this case. It was something like "Has a clue been found?" Anyone know what that's about?
Saturday is usually a re-peat, could be Mondays program where the grabber was "Clues found in new search?" and then the show was the interview with Ron.
JMO
MrLucky917B
03-21-2009, 03:10 PM
Does anyone know if renovations are being done on HaLeighbug House?
I heard/read that it was a resturant before so there would be a restroom buy no shower? Or at least this is my thought.
There would be a kitchen - stoves - ovens - freezers - etc so that meals would be no problem.
Rooms for offices and sleeping...........yes..............
Just bathing facilities would need to be installed and maybe a few walls added.
What do you know.
Mr. Lucky, have you visited?????????????
Nope, haven't gotten a chance to head up that way yet.
bold mine
I think that Ron's efforts to get custody and keep custody has more to do with Crystal than the kids. Couples use their kids against each other all the time, unfortunately and that's what I think was going on here.
Oh i think it has to do with crystal alright. Would you not fight tooth and nail to keep custody away from a parent who cant even be bothered to take a chronically ill child for her needed injections? not missing one or two but 12??? Who fgs didn't even take her son to the cardiologist appointment the DAY OF THE CUSTODY HEARING? after ron let her know about it, asked her to bring him back the night before and he would take Jr. or if she preferred to then she could take him herself and she didn't do it??? Who flatly explained some dimes she didnt feel like taking haleigh to the doctor? Or she didn't like having to drive with grandma there? Selfish selfish selfish interested in herself only IMO
I wouldn't let Crystal share custody of a hamster let alone a child after that.
IMO
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 03:14 PM
I noticed the Cobra link is no longer on 97.3. IMO, we should no longer discuss it.
Wierd, wonder if someone got a call from a certain law firm? JMO
heidi
03-21-2009, 03:14 PM
:sleep:But why marry her?
That's the part that doesn't make a bit of sense.
If I thought that someone was complicit or knew something about my daughter's disappearance, I would not stand up in public and voice my 100% support of them; I wouldn't allow my family members to voice their support; I wouldn't give them an engagement ring and tell everybody that's what my missing daughter wanted.
He is a grown man. Misty is a teenager.
He could have gotten Misty to talk without marrying her. The marriage creates legal problems in and of itself if he's married her under false pretenses and she decides to seek a divorce. What stops her from then going public with her own "version" of events?
JMO
I believe he married because his mom felt certain charges would be filed against him for living with a 17 year old.
I really think this was the only reason.
KKKKKKatie
03-21-2009, 03:14 PM
Oh i think it has to do with crystal alright. Would you not fight tooth and nail to keep custody away from a parent who cant even be bothered to take a chronically ill child for her needed injections? not missing one or two but 12??? Who fgs didn't even take her son to the cardiologist appointment the DAY OF THE CUSTODY HEARING? after ron let her know about it, asked her to bring him back the night before and he would take Jr. or if she preferred to then she could take him herself and she didn't do it??? Who flatly explained some dimes she didnt feel like taking haleigh to the doctor? Or she didn't like having to drive with grandma there? Selfish selfish selfish interested in herself only IMO
I wouldn't let Crystal share custody of a hamster let alone a child after that.
IMO
Can't argue any of that with you VC. However, I don't want kids with someone doing drugs, hanging with minors, and leaves his kids in the care of a barely 16 year old girl that he is sleeping with.
Neither one of them are good parent material IMO
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 03:18 PM
Nope, haven't gotten a chance to head up that way yet.
I visited a video link yesterday, (don't remember which one) and it showed Crystal taking a wreath on a stand (like they have at funerals) into the building.
The last time I checked the web page was still being constructed.
If I was this group, I would be tucking my tail and heading out of town. All they are doing is hindering the investigation/finding of Haleigh. JMO
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 03:26 PM
I visited a video link yesterday, (don't remember which one) and it showed Crystal taking a wreath on a stand (like they have at funerals) into the building.
The last time I checked the web page was still being constructed.
If I was this group, I would be tucking my tail and heading out of town. All they are doing is hindering the investigation/finding of Haleigh. JMO
I think there's lots of "hindering" to go around.
I haven't heard of Crystal walking out of a police interview because someone hurt her feelings.
i_pickle
03-21-2009, 03:26 PM
Oh i think it has to do with crystal alright. Would you not fight tooth and nail to keep custody away from a parent who cant even be bothered to take a chronically ill child for her needed injections? not missing one or two but 12??? Who fgs didn't even take her son to the cardiologist appointment the DAY OF THE CUSTODY HEARING? after ron let her know about it, asked her to bring him back the night before and he would take Jr. or if she preferred to then she could take him herself and she didn't do it??? Who flatly explained some dimes she didnt feel like taking haleigh to the doctor? Or she didn't like having to drive with grandma there? Selfish selfish selfish interested in herself only IMO
I wouldn't let Crystal share custody of a hamster let alone a child after that.
IMOI think he is using the kids to stick it to Cystal because she left him.
I don't agree with anything you wrote.
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 03:27 PM
I think there's lots of "hindering" to go around.
I haven't heard of Crystal walking out of a police interview because someone hurt her feelings.
I didn't mean to include Crystal. I talking about all the "pro bono" 15 min. of famers. JMO
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 03:33 PM
I think he is using the kids to stick it to Cystal because she left him.
I don't agree with anything you wrote.
I agree with him wanting to stick it to Crystal. IMO, had TN and GGM Sykes not been in the picture backing him, those children would have remained with Crystal.
I also think that's the only reason he got married. What better way to poke a stick in Crystal's eye than marry the woman who claimed (along with his own mother) that the children loved her more and would rather be with her than their own mother?
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 03:38 PM
Oh i think it has to do with crystal alright. Would you not fight tooth and nail to keep custody away from a parent who cant even be bothered to take a chronically ill child for her needed injections? not missing one or two but 12??? Who fgs didn't even take her son to the cardiologist appointment the DAY OF THE CUSTODY HEARING? after ron let her know about it, asked her to bring him back the night before and he would take Jr. or if she preferred to then she could take him herself and she didn't do it??? Who flatly explained some dimes she didnt feel like taking haleigh to the doctor? Or she didn't like having to drive with grandma there? Selfish selfish selfish interested in herself only IMO
I wouldn't let Crystal share custody of a hamster let alone a child after that.
IMO
Dealing with a "chronically ill" child plus an infant is not that easy to do. Especially with someone with no driver's license.
Was Crystal the only person in the world who could take Haleigh to the doctor? I think not.
JMO
i_pickle
03-21-2009, 03:41 PM
I agree with him wanting to stick it to Crystal. IMO, had TN and GGM Sykes not been in the picture backing him, those children would have remained with Crystal.
I also think that's the only reason he got married. What better way to poke a stick in Crystal's eye than marry the woman who claimed (along with his own mother) that the children loved her more and would rather be with her than their own mother?The things that TN and Misty have said about preferring Misty to the mom confirms that custody of the kids is more about his ego and Crystal than it is about the kids. I don't believe he was or is a great father and the women in his life are protecting and enabling him.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 03:50 PM
I believe so too since she had the twins. Maybe its time for Mike Brooks to take that show over. :biggrin:
She is running a couple of days behind on info too. Very little is late breaking if at all any more. By the time her bombshells hit the airwaves its done been hashed and rehashed to death here.
I still like it because she is the only one (except with the addition of the misinformed Janes show) that keeps these stories out there.
I really like Mike Brooks............and he has Crystal's number!
But you all know too............I love Nancy! Maybe she should go part-time..............3 days a week.
teresa
03-21-2009, 03:50 PM
I think he is using the kids to stick it to Cystal because she left him.
I don't agree with anything you wrote.
You don't believe Crystal's own words under oath in the custody hearing?
teresa
03-21-2009, 03:53 PM
Peaches posted earlier about the abandoned house/shed whatever it was they took Crystal to. I think that is the one the canines hit on the first morning when they were searching for Haleigh?? I never could figure out what that had to do with Crystal.
CC I See
03-21-2009, 03:58 PM
Just noticed this line from the article
Ron replied that “she is the only tie he has to Haleigh and that he will keep her until Haleigh returns”
If that is true it fits with his statement of "please return Haleigh, she is not your property"..... and if she doesn't return then she stays? Looks like this is more motive to keep quiet about where she might be.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 04:01 PM
Oh i think it has to do with crystal alright. Would you not fight tooth and nail to keep custody away from a parent who cant even be bothered to take a chronically ill child for her needed injections? not missing one or two but 12??? Who fgs didn't even take her son to the cardiologist appointment the DAY OF THE CUSTODY HEARING? after ron let her know about it, asked her to bring him back the night before and he would take Jr. or if she preferred to then she could take him herself and she didn't do it??? Who flatly explained some dimes she didnt feel like taking haleigh to the doctor? Or she didn't like having to drive with grandma there? Selfish selfish selfish interested in herself only IMO
I wouldn't let Crystal share custody of a hamster let alone a child after that.
IMO
After reading about TS, I know that it is very important that HaLeigh followed doctors instructions with her treatments. In fact, HaLeigh's doctor stated that he was willing to come to court to address the judge about the importance of keeping appointments and that Crystal had missed 12 at that time even when she made makeup appointments.
IF...........she did not want to get out of bed in the morning........make the appointments in the evening. Just that simple but take your baby to the doctor.
I know that HaLeigh's doctors explained to her parents the importance of her treatments. I also know that they were given information to take home and read. This is standard when dealing with children who are seriously ill and/or have birthdefects.
And about Ron, Jr......................this was all in the court documents as well. Crystal stated that she did not take Ron, Jr. because she did not want to miss the court hearing............well, why didn't someone in her family take him..............like her mother who kept butting in during the hearing.............at least, she would have been doing some good by taking the baby to his appointment.
odyssey
03-21-2009, 04:06 PM
Dealing with a "chronically ill" child plus an infant is not that easy to do. Especially with someone with no driver's license.
Was Crystal the only person in the world who could take Haleigh to the doctor? I think not.
JMO
Perhaps she was the only one. She was their mother. If their father was working and his mother was working, then perhaps she was or at least being the one who was taking care of the children she was responsible for getting them to the doctor. I don't understand the tit for tat thing. No one is in the right or does the right thing 100 percent of the time.
I'm disabled. When my ex lived here he worked nights and slept all day so did not have 'time' to take our son to the doctor. My son never missed a doctor's visit though. He has not missed one since my ex left in '07 either. If he did, I would be responsible for that because I am responsible for him so even if I am not well that day because of my physical health his comes first.
I don't have to blame other people when I do something wrong. And i dont have to point out the faults in others when we are discussing my own faults. It solves nothing.
jmoo
Peaches
03-21-2009, 04:11 PM
The things that TN and Misty have said about preferring Misty to the mom confirms that custody of the kids is more about his ego and Crystal than it is about the kids. I don't believe he was or is a great father and the women in his life are protecting and enabling him.
Sorry, but I disagree with you.
I find the fact that Crystal moved 2 hours away from her babies.......who later she said were being abused, that her concern was for Herself...........and her new life.............more than for HaLeigh and Ron, Jr.
Ron has supported and taken care of his babies for years.
Ron's family is bonded with them.............you can see the difference with Crystal's mom and Ron's mom. Ron's mom is heartbroken while Crystal's mom to me only seems angry.
Crystal seems to be always having pity days..................always blaming someone else. It is time she took the responsibilty for her own actions.
Just as I am responsible for my actions/choices and you are...........so is Crystal. She has made many bad choice IMOO as far as being a parent goes.
Her children do not come first. I see an angry person when I look at her -------------with her digging in her eyes trying to find a tear.
In her own way, she loves HaLeigh and Ron, Jr. but not like a good mother does.
Day to day life is what good parents do...............take care of their babies day to day.............they do not wait until something happens to say, oh, by the way, I think they were being abused. I called and nothing happened................so I did my part.
There is no way in whatever I will ever believe this.
With my life I will protect those I love...........especially precious children God put in my trust.
BOY......................now I am running and hiding........
Peaches
03-21-2009, 04:18 PM
Perhaps she was the only one. She was their mother. If their father was working and his mother was working, then perhaps she was or at least being the one who was taking care of the children she was responsible for getting them to the doctor. I don't understand the tit for tat thing. No one is in the right or does the right thing 100 percent of the time.
I'm disabled. When my ex lived here he worked nights and slept all day so did not have 'time' to take our son to the doctor. My son never missed a doctor's visit though. He has not missed one since my ex left in '07 either. If he did, I would be responsible for that because I am responsible for him so even if I am not well that day because of my physical health his comes first.
I don't have to blame other people when I do something wrong. And i dont have to point out the faults in others when we are discussing my own faults. It solves nothing.
jmoo
Odyssey, I agree with everything you wrote. Sorry you are not well; hope that you are able to cope alone.
There comes a point in everyone's life that they become responsible for themselves. I am so sick of hearing Crystal blame Ron for all her shortcomings. She made her own choices.
If one of my children - when in high school - had said to me that another person was responsible for their grade/their decision to do whatever......................their dad and I would have still been talking with them.
Personal responsibility is taught and learned..............the earlier the better in my own opinion. Even my grandbabies who are 4, 5, 6 and 7 know that if they chose to do something they are not allowed to do, they will pay the price. It seems to me that Crystal STILL has this lesson to learn.
moo
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 04:28 PM
Big shout out to Cobra for making headlines and giving people something else to talk about besides Crystal and the 2005 hearing, which has absolutely nothing to do with what happened on 2/9/09.
:thumbsup:
CC I See
03-21-2009, 04:39 PM
You should hide...she moved two hours away with her children...he took them from her! But let's see he left them with a compulsive liar in a neighborhood full of SO's. hope Crystal doesn't read the rot in these posts.IMO now I'm going hide.YES :thumbsup:
march27
03-21-2009, 04:43 PM
<snipped>
If the statements were false, why would Ron have given Cobra the PI the time of day when they were discussing it? It could have said to him, 'hey man, I know about those rumors & I know they are false'.
Ron didn't say that. Ron did not deny the rumors. In fact, before Cobra could even TELL the rumor Ron stopped him & said he already knew about it.
You think Cobra the PI is going to make statements he knows to be false on the radio when Ron has hired two attorneys who specialize in personal injury?
I
DON'T
THINK
SO.
JMO
Yet all of this is according to Cobra. I personally dont believe anything that is said without proof to back it up. That is why I choose not to gossip about drug abuse, mary jane parties, etc. At this point it is all according to Cobra who IMO has an agenda or he wouldnt have put forth the allegations to the public in the first place. I also dont see Ron holding a PC crying "he's lying, he's lying". The only thing that would do is take focus off of Haleigh. Those that already believe Cobra and the allegations are not going to all of the sudden change their mind b/c Ron has denied the allegations. So what could he possibly gain by publicly denying the allegations...nothing. JMO
march27
03-21-2009, 04:46 PM
Sorry, but I disagree with you.
I find the fact that Crystal moved 2 hours away from her babies.......who later she said were being abused, that her concern was for Herself...........and her new life.............more than for HaLeigh and Ron, Jr.
Ron has supported and taken care of his babies for years.
Ron's family is bonded with them.............you can see the difference with Crystal's mom and Ron's mom. Ron's mom is heartbroken while Crystal's mom to me only seems angry.
Crystal seems to be always having pity days..................always blaming someone else. It is time she took the responsibilty for her own actions.
Just as I am responsible for my actions/choices and you are...........so is Crystal. She has made many bad choice IMOO as far as being a parent goes.
Her children do not come first. I see an angry person when I look at her -------------with her digging in her eyes trying to find a tear.
In her own way, she loves HaLeigh and Ron, Jr. but not like a good mother does.
Day to day life is what good parents do...............take care of their babies day to day.............they do not wait until something happens to say, oh, by the way, I think they were being abused. I called and nothing happened................so I did my part.
There is no way in whatever I will ever believe this.
With my life I will protect those I love...........especially precious children God put in my trust.
BOY......................now I am running and hiding........
Dont run...your speaking your opinion (which I totally agree with):thumbup:
sydney
03-21-2009, 04:56 PM
Dont run...your speaking your opinion (which I totally agree with):thumbup:
hello everyone! i, too, agree with peaches and others who have voiced similar opinions. i don't hold with the fact that ron "stole" the children, or "wouldn't return" them. crystal's own words were, iiirc she was kindhearted and so she "gave" the children back.
perhaps ron first suspected crystal when he made his statement "she (haleigh) is not property"......
this whole custody thing AT THIS TIME, is shameful, shameful, shameful
(jester, where's the hard hat i loaned you last night? i prolly will need it now)
Peaches
03-21-2009, 04:58 PM
You should hide...she moved two hours away with her children...he took them from her! But let's see he left them with a compulsive liar in a neighborhood full of SO's. hope Crystal doesn't read the rot in these posts.IMO now I'm going hide.
I think because you are influenced because of your daughter's sistuation you are on Crystal's side.................that said.
I still say that Crystal is a poor excuse of a mother and that is my honest opinion and I this comes by the things she says and does.
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:01 PM
I also agree and think it is very odd that Ron has not come forward to claim it as false if it was indeed false?
Most PI's carry voice recorders on them when confronting possible witnesses. FYI that is completely legal even if the recorder is hidden in a pocket etc...
hi, patricia. i think ron hasn't come forward to claim it was false could be for one of two reasons: 1 - his counsel advised him against it (which is the most likely) or, 2 - it cannot be substantiated one way or another that he DID say those things.
and, as far as cobra carrying a hidden voice recorder, that begs the question - why DIDN'T he? if these were things that ron indeed said, that would carry a lot of weight with me. but that's just me......
Texas48
03-21-2009, 05:03 PM
Oh wow, that you all. That is exactly what I was trying to say yesterday.
jmo Hey to you doneit...I did not stay on the board long yesterday so did not see your post. :laugh:
march27
03-21-2009, 05:07 PM
That's the thing though. Since when does taking information into "theory" suddenly become truth without proof? If you include what Cobra said yesterday it is still and only a part of a "Theory". Some folks I guess don't understand the difference between "Theory" and "Fact" so if you discuss your theory some folks thing you are stating fact.
Plus there is a difference between an "argument" and a "fight" and this case is wearing on everyone so I'm thinking it would be a good idea to point out the difference.
Until Cobra's comments and rendition of what had occured I AM going to include what he has stated in my "theory" until it can be proven otherwise false. I also agree and think it is very odd that Ron has not come forward to claim it as false if it was indeed false?
Most PI's carry voice recorders on them when confronting possible witnesses. FYI that is completely legal even if the recorder is hidden in a pocket etc...
Really I think everyone who is old enough to type know the difference between truth and fact. Imo things should not be posted as fact...when they are only theories.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:07 PM
Dont run...your speaking your opinion (which I totally agree with):thumbup:
Thanks...............I can not go far but had to fix those gb a little snack.
Crysal's blaming all her troubles on Ron is just unfair.
Children as young as 4 know if they misbehave, they will - go to their room/stand in the corner/etc................
It is time Crystal says...........yes, I chose to _________________ and stop making excuses or putting the blame on others.
moo
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:10 PM
hello everyone! i, too, agree with peaches and others who have voiced similar opinions. i don't hold with the fact that ron "stole" the children, or "wouldn't return" them. crystal's own words were, iiirc she was kindhearted and so she "gave" the children back.
perhaps ron first suspected crystal when he made his statement "she (haleigh) is not property"......
this whole custody thing AT THIS TIME, is shameful, shameful, shameful
(jester, where's the hard hat i loaned you last night? i prolly will need it now)
I'll give it to you in just a minute. My head is still spinning from all the licks I have taken............but, rest assured, I still believe all the things I have said.
Passing it on.............your hard hat with several dents on it! :laugh:
BTW............I am one tough old lady.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:14 PM
hello everyone! i, too, agree with peaches and others who have voiced similar opinions. i don't hold with the fact that ron "stole" the children, or "wouldn't return" them. crystal's own words were, iiirc she was kindhearted and so she "gave" the children back.
perhaps ron first suspected crystal when he made his statement "she (haleigh) is not property"......
this whole custody thing AT THIS TIME, is shameful, shameful, shameful
(jester, where's the hard hat i loaned you last night? i prolly will need it now)
Hello...............see that you once again can see! :wub:
Texas48
03-21-2009, 05:15 PM
:sleep:
I believe he married because his mom felt certain charges would be filed against him for living with a 17 year old.
I really think this was the only reason.
If this the case then I wounder if TN will get her family ring back when the divorce is final??? :w00t:
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:17 PM
What proof do you have that he "didn't"???
well, i think if he did have a recording device, we would have heard those words in ron's voice and not just cobra's voice, don't you?
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:18 PM
I should also add that I wouldn't even begin to assume why Ron's atty's wouldn't have come forward on Ron's behalf then to claim it as false if it were false considering the circumstances...The Atty's are working pro bono which means for these atty's it is all about publicity. These people do not do something for nothing. Not syaing that is a bad thing either...it's like taking out a nationwide or even worldwide ad on TV.
i don't mind dents in my hard hat....really, i don't.
anyway, perhaps the attorneys are not worried about winning the battles, just the war, kwim?
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:19 PM
Hello...............see that you once again can see! :wub:
yeah - the invisible suit is at the cleaners.....:tonguewag:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:22 PM
IMO That was a personal sling...but that's o.k. I can handle it. It also took us a long time to get the kids away from him and if heaven forbid anything had happened to one of them in his care people would have said things like this about my daughter and that would have been so unfair after all the hurt he caused. This situation is ditto to hers except she got her children back before any of the thugs he runs with could have abducted them.
grma, I am happy that things worked out for you, your daughter and your grandchildren.
Not for a minute do I think these things could have been said about you, your daughter...............I did not mean it that way.
MOO is that you are taking the side of a mother.............this one is Crystal because of all the things you and your have been through.
I think that this is entirely a different situation.
Ron is where his parents live and where Crystal's family are.........except for her mother who moved away. There is no reason to beleive that Crystal could not see her children or know that they were okay. She could have had a bigger - more important - place in their lives if she had stayed closer. She could have had contact with the school. She could have done many things differenctly.
Like your daughter...............I would never leave my children............Crystal did not chose to be close to them.
The JUDGE gave her 10 days if she wanted to bring evidence before him in order to obtain custody, she made the choice to NOT do that. What that tells me is that she did not want them.
What it tells you must be something else.............and I am sorry but I do not understand.
Peace! God bless you and yours.....................
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:24 PM
If this the case then I wounder if TN will get her family ring back when the divorce is final??? :w00t:You
You know Texas, I will be willing to bet she will not care if she gets that ring or not if she gets HaLeigh back.....................
And, IF Misty had anything to do with HaLeigh being missing, I'll just bet Ron's mom will be happy to see the back of her.
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:25 PM
does anyone know how the child exchange (for lack of a better term) was handled on crystal's visitation weekends?
she lives so far away, i was just wondering if she and ron met in the middle somewhere or what?
if it was an amicable "exchange", that would tell me a lot.
thanks.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:26 PM
yeah - the invisible suit is at the cleaners.....:tonguewag:
Sydney.............you must have forgotten that when you signed off last night you said that the sun had gone down and you could not see....................
OR..........was that someone else. I thought it was you since you are so far away..............S/A right?
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:26 PM
Me too lol. Hard hats dents and all LOLOL!
I'm not buying that for one second. If Cobra was lying and they believed that he was they would be blasting his accounts to discredit the guy and get him thrown to the curb ASAP. Cobra has a very positive histiry and I have no doubt that he is trusted and possibly working with LE. (Look at his record and history)
i still wonder about his statments, though - like i said before, why didn't he use a hidden recorder? if he had, that would have carried a lot more weight with me, to hear those statements in ron's voice, i mean.
Themis
03-21-2009, 05:29 PM
If this the case then I wounder if TN will get her family ring back when the divorce is final??? :w00t:
Not according to common law. That 'heirloom' ring from Teresa Neves became Misty's when the marriage took place. You know, that wedding heartily endorsed by both TN and great grandmother, Annette Sykes.
Exception to common law would be some type of unique-to-Florida law.:wink:
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:29 PM
Sydney.............you must have forgotten that when you signed off last night you said that the sun had gone down and you could not see....................
OR..........was that someone else. I thought it was you since you are so far away..............S/A right?
oh - sorry - i did say that it was getting dark and i couldn't see - i'm too lazy to get up and turn my den light on and i get up so danged early in the morning that 8:00 is LATE for me.
<what does S/A mean?>
glad to see you.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:30 PM
does anyone know how the child exchange (for lack of a better term) was handled on crystal's visitation weekends?
she lives so far away, i was just wondering if she and ron met in the middle somewhere or what?
if it was an amicable "exchange", that would tell me a lot.
thanks.
The judge asked if Crystal and Ron wanted him to assign a place for them to meet in the middle and they both said no that they could handle the exchange.
I read somewhere that the meet at McDonald's. I do not know how true this is. It was stated here that Ron did not want Crystal at his house. Not sure that is true either.
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:31 PM
The judge asked if Crystal and Ron wanted him to assign a place for them to meet in the middle and they both said no that they could handle the exchange.
I read somewhere that the meet at McDonald's. I do not know how true this is. It was stated here that Ron did not want Crystal at his house. Not sure that is true either.
well, at least it sounds like they didn't have to meet at a police station.....
did crystal say he ever interfered with her visitation rights? if he did, that would tell me a lot also
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:33 PM
i still wonder about his statments, though - like i said before, why didn't he use a hidden recorder? if he had, that would have carried a lot more weight with me, to hear those statements in ron's voice, i mean.
MOHO is that Misty should not have been trashed like------------------- this Cobra did.
There is no reason to do this.
Even if I do not know if Misty knows more than she is telling or if she just can not truly remember................trash is trash.
BOY.....................
CC I See
03-21-2009, 05:34 PM
MOHO is that Misty should not have been trashed like------------------- this Cobra did.
There is no reason to do this.
Even if I do not know if Misty knows more than she is telling or if she just can not truly remember................trash is trash.
BOY.....................Yes, she is.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:36 PM
Not necessarily. It could simply be strategy. There were also portions of the conversation that Ron had asked be confidential. Cobra is admittedly honoring that confidentiality.
Now if LE got a warrant or if Cobra were brought in under oath......
Patricia.................If doing the above things you said will help find HaLeigh................
I say................DO IT! Sooner rather than later.
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:36 PM
Not necessarily. It could simply be strategy. There were also portions of the conversation that Ron had asked be confidential. Cobra is admittedly honoring that confidentiality.
Now if LE got a warrant or if Cobra were brought in under oath......
yeah, but the point i'm trying to make is - if he COULD have had a tape recorder (and i believe that if one person knows a conversation is being recorded, i.e. cobra, and if he is a pi and "allowed" to do that), why DIDN'T he? i mean, we haven't heard a tape exists yet, and if there WAS a tape made, he COULD have mentioned it....seems he mentioned everything else.....but that's just my opinion.
(i don't mean to poke a sleeping bear with a stick......if you know what i mean)
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:37 PM
well, at least it sounds like they didn't have to meet at a police station.....
did crystal say he ever interfered with her visitation rights? if he did, that would tell me a lot also
I do not think she was having problems with that but everyone please jump in.........................
I have only read a little about this.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 05:38 PM
I agree with him wanting to stick it to Crystal. IMO, had TN and GGM Sykes not been in the picture backing him, those children would have remained with Crystal.
I also think that's the only reason he got married. What better way to poke a stick in Crystal's eye than marry the woman who claimed (along with his own mother) that the children loved her more and would rather be with her than their own mother?I have same thought my friend cry.It was nothing but CRUEL for those words to be spoken in front of God and everyone. Crystal's baby girl has vanished....that was the biggest heart breaking experience ANY mother would go through and then you have something like that said....Misty had been in the kids lives for what..5-6 months full time? This is a 17 year old child herself. What is wrong w/ppl now days? IMO there may have been a few ppl that got the bickering started btw Crystal/Ron and it grew out of bounds. Maybe had this not happened Ron/Crystal could have pulled together in a time like this and worked together instead of ALL that took place. The Mother and the Father are the ones that love this child and are suffering the most. Everything else SHOULD have come in second place. JMO
Themis
03-21-2009, 05:38 PM
Who was the guy in the background during the GR fiasco? The one who appeared to have chased GR off darned near? LOL
Patricia, that would be Ronald Cummings' father, Lester Cummings.
You know, the one who was instrumental in having the week long biker's party/run held at the Hide-Away Bar & Grill be an instrument of yet another fundraiser.
Here's the link to print article and video dated 3/2/09:
http://www.wftv.com/news/18831155/detail.html
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:39 PM
on the flip side of my question regarding visitation - did crystal ever miss visitation with the kids? anyone know?
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:40 PM
I still stick to wishing I could be a fly on the wall in them parts right about now....just sayin...;)
me, too. but if we WERE flies on the wall, we wouldn't have recorded conversations either, right? (unless we had little teeny recorders on us...)
Texas48
03-21-2009, 05:41 PM
Dealing with a "chronically ill" child plus an infant is not that easy to do. Especially with someone with no driver's license.
Was Crystal the only person in the world who could take Haleigh to the doctor? I think not.
JMOI would really love to know if TN or GGM or even Ron offered to help Crystal w/appointments?
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 05:41 PM
His Dad, Jack Cummings.
And according to veromi, other possible relatives are Randy and Robert Cummings
moo
I checked Veromi and lots of other similar search engines and didn't find that. There is another Ronald Cummings but the middle name is wrong.
Weird. I'll check some more.
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 05:43 PM
That's weird. I was just looking up Jack Cummings, who is reported to be Ron's father.
Are Jack Cummings and Lester Cummings the same person - just go by two different names?
Jack Lester Cummings appears to be the correct name of Ronald L. Cummings father.
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 05:45 PM
I would really love to know if TN or GGM or even Ron offered to help Crystal w/appointments?
Yes and Crystal didn't like riding with Grandmother Sykes. Her driving scared her.
http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf
Texas48
03-21-2009, 05:47 PM
The things that TN and Misty have said about preferring Misty to the mom confirms that custody of the kids is more about his ego and Crystal than it is about the kids. I don't believe he was or is a great father and the women in his life are protecting and enabling him.He did seem to ENJOY making the statement that he WAS the better provider and still is(NG show) Just remembered something that Crystal said..the 4 years her and Ron were together he NEVER had anything to do w/the kids..she did it all. This is possible as Ron appears to be the Macho or...don't know what the word is...Almost like...me man..you wife...lol Who used to say that..oh that was Tarzan...Me Tarzan..you Jane..I don't know...getting late in the day. jmo:tonguewag:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:47 PM
Yes, she is.
See,
Since I do not know Misty, I would not want to call her trash. I see a girl who has made mistakes.........one instead of receiving guidence was kicked out of her house when she was very young. Many of us are not lucky enough to have a caring/loving family - extended family who know enough to give us the kinda care we need. Trash is a harsh word.
If you call Misty trash....................IF that is what you are doing?
Are you calling others trash? Those who sleep with several men and have babies but are not married?
Misty just as no children from her contacts...........at least none that I know of.
AND................there is no evidence that they have ONLY slept with the ones who they had children by..............sometimes you use birthcontrol.......................and other times, you are lucky and just do not get caught.
Pot and kettle are both the same to me.
Do not get me wrong...................I thank God above that my children learned ..............family values, morals and self-respect. I would be in the looney bin if I had a child like those we are talking about on this board.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 05:48 PM
I really like Mike Brooks............and he has Crystal's number!
But you all know too............I love Nancy! Maybe she should go part-time..............3 days a week.You see a big change in her too?
Themis
03-21-2009, 05:50 PM
That's weird. I was just looking up Jack Cummings, who is reported to be Ron's father.
Are Jack Cummings and Lester Cummings the same person - just go by two different names?
Gee, RachelRose, I can't explain the difference in first names. Maybe you are correct.
I just went by the link I posted which gave his name as Lester Cummings. That said, probably the best way to verify his *legal* name is to look up him up in the public record database. Does he have an arrest record? It appears that many of these family members do. But, I don't have the link to the public records database handy--sorry.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 05:51 PM
..... and if she doesn't return then she stays? Looks like this is more motive to keep quiet about where she might be.The words he said..well..just don't ring true. I might KEEP her..CC I SEE..I just noticed you are from Corpus..wow..I was born and raised there..way off O/T..sorry CW:thumbsup:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:51 PM
I would really love to know if TN or GGM or even Ron offered to help Crystal w/appointments?
Don't you remember Crystal saying that she hated to bother his mother for a ride and that his gm scared her with her driving...........in the court papers.
I think, Texas, that she was pg with Ron, Jr. at this time.........when talking about some of the missed appointment.
CC I See
03-21-2009, 05:51 PM
See,
Since I do not know Misty, I would not want to call her trash. I see a girl who has made mistakes.........one instead of receiving guidence was kicked out of her house when she was very young. Many of us are not lucky enough to have a caring/loving family - extended family who know enough to give us the kinda care we need. Trash is a harsh word.
If you call Misty trash....................IF that is what you are doing?
Are you calling others trash? Those who sleep with several men and have babies but are not married?
Misty just as no children from her contacts...........at least none that I know of.
AND................there is no evidence that they have ONLY slept with the ones who they had children by..............sometimes you use birthcontrol.......................and other times, you are lucky and just do not get caught.
Pot and kettle are both the same to me.
Do not get me wrong...................I thank God above that my children learned ..............family values, morals and self-respect. I would be in the looney bin if I had a child like those we are talking about on this board......... I misunderstood your quote and was referring to the fact that she might not be telling everything she knows.
I never call anyone trash......
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:51 PM
Did you know that there really are teeny tiny video/sound recorders? The things they come up with nowdays. Seriously though!
http://www.spy-tronix.com/spypencamera.html
That isn't even mentioning all the other types of spyware that is out there!
i'm gonna have to get me one of those!
Themis
03-21-2009, 05:52 PM
Jack Lester Cummings appears to be the correct name of Ronald L. Cummings father.
Thank you, Riverwalk for clearing up the confusion about Ronald's father legal name: Jack Lester Cummings it is then!:smile:
sydney
03-21-2009, 05:55 PM
so, let's throw ron, crystal, cobra and all the custody issues, rumors, etc., out the window.
we are left with misty and her inconsistent stories and we are still no closer to finding out what happened to this poor little child.
if le has information they are not disclosing, this has to be the most secretive police investigation in HISTORY. i have never heard of a case where there wasn't some kind of leak of some type, has anyone else?
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:55 PM
He did seem to ENJOY making the statement that he WAS the better provider and still is(NG show) Just remembered something that Crystal said..the 4 years her and Ron were together he NEVER had anything to do w/the kids..she did it all. This is possible as Ron appears to be the Macho or...don't know what the word is...Almost like...me man..you wife...lol Who used to say that..oh that was Tarzan...Me Tarzan..you Jane..I don't know...getting late in the day. jmo:tonguewag:
Texas................you know that when someone is talking about themselves................most of the time, they tell to make themself look like the better person.
Ronald did not start talking about Crystal for weeks................but Crystal and her mother slug and slug until people were saying...........if it is not true, he would say something.
Two different judges gave Ron these children.............one even offering Crystal (and her mother was there with her) 10 more days in order to get things together so that she could get custody of these babies and she - Crystal - said NO.
This tells me that she really did not want them or she would have said ---------oh, thank you. I would appreciate this. Tell me what you want me to bring back..........etc.
moo
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:57 PM
You see a big change in her too?
Yes, Texas................but, I am sooooooooooooooo happy for this lady.
She has a wonder in-law side of the family as well as her own. None of them wanted her to continue to work.
Why she does is beyond me................she certainly does not need the money.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 05:58 PM
Perhaps she was the only one. She was their mother. If their father was working and his mother was working, then perhaps she was or at least being the one who was taking care of the children she was responsible for getting them to the doctor. I don't understand the tit for tat thing. No one is in the right or does the right thing 100 percent of the time.
I'm disabled. When my ex lived here he worked nights and slept all day so did not have 'time' to take our son to the doctor. My son never missed a doctor's visit though. He has not missed one since my ex left in '07 either. If he did, I would be responsible for that because I am responsible for him so even if I am not well that day because of my physical health his comes first.
I don't have to blame other people when I do something wrong. And i dont have to point out the faults in others when we are discussing my own faults. It solves nothing.
jmooGreat post. It does seem we get into these tit for tat aggreements or disagreements and for what? I always try to remember I am NOT perfect now or when i was raising 3 children by myself..That is something I always try and tell my 7 grandchildren when they are fussing about their moms and dads over some little something. Moms and Dad are not perfect...we ALL make mistakes..some we all wish we could do over but KNOW it does not work that way. just thoughts from me and MOO.:wub:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 05:59 PM
........ I misunderstood your quote and was referring to the fact that she might not be telling everything she knows.
I never call anyone trash......
Thanks.............See...................
I know that all of us want to see HaLeigh Ann-Marie found and that is our reason for jumping on here everyday.
Thanks for your response....................:wub:
sydney
03-21-2009, 06:02 PM
He did seem to ENJOY making the statement that he WAS the better provider and still is(NG show) Just remembered something that Crystal said..the 4 years her and Ron were together he NEVER had anything to do w/the kids..she did it all. This is possible as Ron appears to be the Macho or...don't know what the word is...Almost like...me man..you wife...lol Who used to say that..oh that was Tarzan...Me Tarzan..you Jane..I don't know...getting late in the day. jmo:tonguewag:
perhaps he is proud that he is the better provider - and perhaps he didn't have much to do with the kids (per crystal) because he was working as much as he is working now - and perhaps she said he never had anything to do with the kids because she wants to paint herself in a more favorable light? not arguing with you, just saying how i see it......
if she didn't have a dl like she said when she and ron were together, who took haleigh to the doctor, do you spose?
Peaches
03-21-2009, 06:04 PM
so, let's throw ron, crystal, cobra and all the custody issues, rumors, etc., out the window.
we are left with misty and her inconsistent stories and we are still no closer to finding out what happened to this poor little child.
if le has information they are not disclosing, this has to be the most secretive police investigation in HISTORY. i have never heard of a case where there wasn't some kind of leak of some type, has anyone else?
MOO
Misty should be willing to do ANYTHING she can to help find HaLeigh.
She needs someone to get behind her and say...............tell what you know to whomever ask..............
Why she would not do a walk through with anyone is beyond me.
What is she hiding if anything!
Maybe they should give Marie............5 minutes in a room with Misty to get at the truth..................:laugh: To me, she is the really harsh one.............she would spare no words................in MOHO
HaLeigh where are you!
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 06:07 PM
Check SM there's a list of Whose Who. I think I saw it there too.
I wonder if Theresa had any siblings.
I have it's incorrect, imo.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 06:09 PM
Great post. It does seem we get into these tit for tat aggreements or disagreements and for what? I always try to remember I am NOT perfect now or when i was raising 3 children by myself..That is something I always try and tell my 7 grandchildren when they are fussing about their moms and dads over some little something. Moms and Dad are not perfect...we ALL make mistakes..some we all wish we could do over but KNOW it does not work that way. just thoughts from me and MOO.:wub:
I agree with all you have said here!
My grandson said to me at the store Friday, "That's not fair."
I told him that he was going to find out that even when you do all the right things ------------- sometimes things happen that are not fair.
This is a sad lesson to learn..................and we have learned it when we see these precious babies go missing, being hurt/etc. even when they have done nothing to deserve it.
HaLeigh come home!
Is there anyone looking today?
sydney
03-21-2009, 06:15 PM
If it's proven Misty is responsible then would Ron also be considered partly responsible for withholding information? He could be arrested for obstructing justice etc...
JMO
<snipped by me> i don't think ron has any information - i believe that if he did know something, NOTHING would stop him from getting his little girl back.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 06:21 PM
Sorry, but I disagree with you.
I find the fact that Crystal moved 2 hours away from her babies.......who later she said were being abused, that her concern was for Herself...........and her new life.............more than for HaLeigh and Ron, Jr.
Ron has supported and taken care of his babies for years.
Ron's family is bonded with them.............you can see the difference with Crystal's mom and Ron's mom. Ron's mom is heartbroken while Crystal's mom to me only seems angry.
Crystal seems to be always having pity days..................always blaming someone else. It is time she took the responsibilty for her own actions.
Just as I am responsible for my actions/choices and you are...........so is Crystal. She has made many bad choice IMOO as far as being a parent goes.
Her children do not come first. I see an angry person when I look at her -------------with her digging in her eyes trying to find a tear.
In her own way, she loves HaLeigh and Ron, Jr. but not like a good mother does.
Day to day life is what good parents do...............take care of their babies day to day.............they do not wait until something happens to say, oh, by the way, I think they were being abused. I called and nothing happened................so I did my part.
There is no way in whatever I will ever believe this.
With my life I will protect those I love...........especially precious children God put in my trust.
BOY......................now I am running and hiding........
WHY would you run for goodness sake? You have an opinion...NOT that I agree w/you totally but thats OK. ALL WE have to go on in this case and its family is what we hear/read and our gut feelings. It is SO possible that you are exactly right about Crystal and her mothering skills....or....She could have been a saint of a mother..does ANYONE of us on this board KNOW for CERTAIN what Ron and Crystal are REALLY like in their everyday life? We are only seeing them NOW. Well..Peaches..I'm not running and neither are you...jmo:thumbsup:for ALL
baywench
03-21-2009, 06:22 PM
<snipped by me> i don't think ron has any information - i believe that if he did know something, NOTHING would stop him from getting his little girl back.
I have been reading, and reading, and reading all week. The custody issue, Cobra etc just don't do anything but make me think even less of these people. My bottom line still remains the same. Misty was the last one to see her, Misty provided the timeline, Misty strikes me as very feral. I don't believe Ron had anything to do with it but his behavior is strange also...getting married? Really? The focus has to remain on Misty imo until she is able to convince LE that she is in no way responsible. Obviously she hasn't been able to to do that yet. Unlike some, I believe LE has a handle on this and has from the start, they are either trying to get Haleigh back (if she is alive) or putting all their ducks in a row to charge someone. When Tim was told to leave this case changed for me. I felt right then they were looking at the family. jmo
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 06:23 PM
I do hope that Ron speaks to Cobra again. Even if Ron makes stipulations.
If Ron is innocent in all of this Cobra would be his greatest ally.
Otherwise who knows what could happen?
If it's proven Misty is responsible then would Ron also be considered partly responsible for withholding information? He could be arrested for obstructing justice etc...
JMO
I doubt his lawyers will let him talk to Cobra. Wonder if the lawyers had anything to do with getting that information from Cobra off the radio/tv/paper? link.
It will be interesting to see if any other media outlets picks up Cobra's story. JMO
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 06:24 PM
If you listen closely to what Cobra said in that recording regarding his alleged conversation with Ron and others at the vigil (near the beginning), I believe he says he got it on tape when he was talking to all of them...but that doesn't mean he still had the tape recording when talking to Ron. But you would think a true "private investigator" would do that just to document facts and have proof for LE, etc.
Except it's illegal in the state of Florida and couldn't be used in court from my interpretation of reading:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html
All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976).
Owlface
03-21-2009, 06:27 PM
I would really love to know if TN or GGM or even Ron offered to help Crystal w/appointments?
Really. Whether or not Ron had custody he still let her miss 12 appts. I would make sure my baby got to the doctor whether I had custody or not.
sydney
03-21-2009, 06:27 PM
Except it's illegal in the state of Florida and couldn't be used in court from my interpretation of reading:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html
All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976).
would that apply in a criminal investigation? just curious.......
Peaches
03-21-2009, 06:29 PM
WHY would you run for goodness sake? You have an opinion...NOT that I agree w/you totally but thats OK. ALL WE have to go on in this case and its family is what we hear/read and our gut feelings. It is SO possible that you are exactly right about Crystal and her mothering skills....or....She could have been a saint of a mother..does ANYONE of us on this board KNOW for CERTAIN what Ron and Crystal are REALLY like in their everyday life? We are only seeing them NOW. Well..Peaches..I'm not running and neither are you...jmo:thumbsup:for ALL
Texas................you are sooooooooooooo wise for such a young chick. Isn't that the word Lucky used?
You are so correct. We do not know these people at all. Our opinions are formed because what we have read mostly...........and a lot of that is just someone else's opinion.
Anyway.................everyone here reading/posting are praying that this sweet baby is found soon..............and alive!
Texas48
03-21-2009, 06:30 PM
I agree. Crystal left Ron. I believe that Ron suddenly felt like a victim when Crystal left him. JMO. I've seen this a few times where when the women leave the men all the man's female friends and family members rally around the man regardless if the guy was a jerk and deserved being dumped or not. Typical.
JmoI agree and it is plain to see IMO that TN would do anything to protect her son. I would do ALMOST anything to protect my children and my grandchildren..but I will honestly I WOULD NOT take sides or bad mouth my DIL or SIL during their marraige/during a divorce or after a divorce. I will also be honest when I say that my kids will NEVER put their spouces DOWN in front of their children. jmo
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 06:30 PM
Except it's illegal in the state of Florida and couldn't be used in court from my interpretation of reading:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html
All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976).
Didn't LE wire AL and let him record the conversation with LA. They probably got a court order to do it. Wonder if a PI can get a court order. One would think that if he went thru LE they could do it just like in KC's case. JMO
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 06:31 PM
would that apply in a criminal investigation? just curious.......
I would assume so because those states you have to get a court order to "record".
To look up your own state's law check here (it may come in handy someday. LOL)
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html
sydney
03-21-2009, 06:35 PM
The only theory I have that I want to be right is the one that says Haleigh comes home unscathed and unharmed.
JMO
<snipped by me>
AMEN to that!
Peaches
03-21-2009, 06:35 PM
I agree and it is plain to see IMO that TN would do anything to protect her son. I would do ALMOST anything to protect my children and my grandchildren..but I will honestly I WOULD NOT take sides or bad mouth my DIL or SIL during their marraige/during a divorce or after a divorce. I will also be honest when I say that my kids will NEVER put their spouces DOWN in front of their children. jmo
Great post......................my prayer is that I could do all the things you listed.
I do know that I would do everything I could to make sure that my grandbabies where cared for and were happy and that would mean that their mommy and daddy were happy too.
sydney
03-21-2009, 06:37 PM
I would assume so because those states you have to get a court order to "record".
To look up your own state's law check here (it may come in handy someday. LOL)
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html
thanks but i hope i never put myself in a position where i have to know my state's law regarding recording.......
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 06:38 PM
Didn't LE wire AL and let him record the conversation with LA. They probably got a court order to do it. Wonder if a PI can get a court order. One would think that if he went thru LE they could do it just like in KC's case. JMO
Yes they did and they would have needed a court order IF they want to use it at Casey's trial.
LE can get a court order through either the State's Attorneys office or a local judge to record. Private citizens would be a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
MOO
sydney
03-21-2009, 06:38 PM
o/t guys-gotta go and get ready for the poker party tonight.
great talking to you all.
prayers for haleigh and all involved in this horrible tragedy
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 06:41 PM
thanks but i hope i never put myself in a position where i have to know my state's law regarding recording.......
A friend of mine used Texas' law to record her soon to be ex-husband. He/his attorney were spitting mad but he shouldn't have shot his mouth off. Oops.
Where could Haleigh be?
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 06:48 PM
A friend of mine used Texas' law to record her soon to be ex-husband. He/his attorney were spitting mad but he shouldn't have shot his mouth off. Oops.
Where could Haleigh be?
O/T, but didn't Jeanne Piroux sp? get in trouble for using a device to record/track her husband? JMO
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 06:51 PM
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html
Florida
All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976).
Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,” Fla. Stat. ch. 934.02. See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2000).
Speaks volumnes. Consent was "not" required in this situation, under the law, after all.
Those law rules always confuse me. Don't know if it was required or not, but seems to be if someone thought they were having a conversation with someone they would think they had a reasonable expectation of privacy. I do think if Cobra was working with LE, they would not have wanted him to tell what occurred. JMO
Rushbo
03-21-2009, 06:59 PM
I hate to rain on the parade, but IIRC Crystal hijacked the investigation into her daughter's disappearance and turned it into a custody battle.
But maybe I recall incorrectly....? :shrug:
You are incorrect.
Crystal is not seeking custody.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:08 PM
I hate to rain on the parade, but IIRC Crystal hijacked the investigation into her daughter's disappearance and turned it into a custody battle.
But maybe I recall incorrectly....? :shrug:
Although her attorney said no, looks like a custody case to me............just going about it in a different directions because a custody case takes longer than saying your child is in danger!
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:09 PM
Big shout out to Cobra for making headlines and giving people something else to talk about besides Crystal and the 2005 hearing, which has absolutely nothing to do with what happened on 2/9/09.
:thumbsup:He will be watching the mail from TV station offering him a reality show...COBRA..coming soon..lol:tonguewag:
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:16 PM
hello everyone! i, too, agree with peaches and others who have voiced similar opinions. i don't hold with the fact that ron "stole" the children, or "wouldn't return" them. crystal's own words were, iiirc she was kindhearted and so she "gave" the children back.
perhaps ron first suspected crystal when he made his statement "she (haleigh) is not property"......
this whole custody thing AT THIS TIME, is shameful, shameful, shameful
(jester, where's the hard hat i loaned you last night? i prolly will need it now) No need for hard hat..you have an opinion..I have an opinion..opinions are like..ummm....and everyone has one. After watching Ron's actions I would have to believe IF he thought Crystal had taken Haleigh he would have been there in a heart beat...That is one I just can't see.jmo
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:17 PM
[QUOTE=Kathy*Rae;12918047]Bold underline mine
Apparently the judge did also.
I'm going to trust the judge's assessment over posters' opinions on a board... until or if we hear different from the court system.
YKWIM?[/QUOTE
And it was two (2) judges that awarded custody to Ron.............so both of them agreed that Ron was better prepared to take care of HaLeigh and Ron, Jr.
Remember that Ron, Jr. was only 6 months old and HaLeigh not 2 when he first got these children....................that was a lot of care he gave these children............with the help of his mother and grandmother. He also mentioned an aunt would be helping but I have not seen her name mentioned.
MOO is that Ron is growing up with his children........but he has been there for them.
We see pictures of these kids with Ron just doing normal everyday things in life.............such as learning to brush your teeth.
Hopefully, someone somewhere is taking good care of HaLeigh now. Please bring her home! Today would be good.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:18 PM
Are you calling Misty trash???? If so, what do you call Crystal????
Really, just curious.
jmo
doneit..................she answered this to me when I asked. Poster just misread what I had posted.
I thought the same thing...........but she said NOWAY.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:19 PM
I remember watching either JVM or NG one night and the "panel of experts" stated that Crystal could be held legally responsible for possible child endangerment/abuse if she did not act in favor of ensuring the safety and well being of Jr. at this time...Especially in light of the past DCF investigations and Especially if it is found that either Ron or Crystal are involved in anyway in Haleigh's disappearance.
Appears to me that Crystal had no other choice in the matter.
If this is true............I missed it. Sorry.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:19 PM
I think because you are influenced because of your daughter's sistuation you are on Crystal's side.................that said.
I still say that Crystal is a poor excuse of a mother and that is my honest opinion and I this comes by the things she says and does.what is your opinion of Ron? The father of Haleigh that TRUSTED a 5year old and a 3 year old to a 17 year old that HE KNEW what she was doing in her SPARE time? We tend to PUT DOWN one and NOT the other..why is that?:huh:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:21 PM
Kathy, have you by any chance read any of the court transcripts to know what actually transpired in those custody hearings?
I did.............several times and what Kathy is saying is true.
Not 1 judge but 2 gave these children to Ron.
The last one even gave Crystal 10 days if she wanted them to bring into court proof that she was the better parent and she refused his offer of these days...................so he gave the children to Ron.
As simple as that.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:25 PM
hi, patricia. i think ron hasn't come forward to claim it was false could be for one of two reasons: 1 - his counsel advised him against it (which is the most likely) or, 2 - it cannot be substantiated one way or another that he DID say those things.
and, as far as cobra carrying a hidden voice recorder, that begs the question - why DIDN'T he? if these were things that ron indeed said, that would carry a lot of weight with me. but that's just me......
IF ..BIG IF..that conversation took place I have to wounder what was Misty's take on it after it was made public? Is she still w/Ron wherever he is? Just curious...Did he deny or maybe he said he was just playing along w/Cobra to throw the kidnappers off track? I have yet to read or hear anything from Ron but then I must have missed it. You are so right..why did not COBRA tape it and PLAY the TAPED conversation to media? lots of questions every time something/someone new is put into the picture. jmo:confused:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:26 PM
I really am not understanding this??? Someone please help me out here.
Why would TN or GGM help Crystal w/ appts.??? She has a mother, and its not like moms all over the country have to have a hired hand. Most moms could handle taking 2 or more kids to appts., kwim???
jmo
In the court papers, Crystal said she did not want ggm to take her because she scared her with her driving................
Also, Crystal admitted she just did not want to get out of bed....and that yes she had missed the appointment although some were rescheduled, she missed the ones she rescheduled.
If she was doing the scheduling..............you would think she would do it in the afternoon when she could drag her azz out of bed. HaLeigh deserved more than Crystal was providing. moo
She also could have had her mommy or daddy take her to get her driver's license. I understand that her mommy gave her a car...........what for? If she did not help her get her license.
You know you might spit on me and get away with it..........but do not spit on my child or my husband................then I will be hezz to handle.
baywench
03-21-2009, 07:29 PM
Tell it, preacher. Sounds like she did what she could with the resources she had. After all, she doesn't have a mother working for LE. It's not her fault no one would take her seriously. Wonder if they're second-guessing themselves now? It seems some people think Crystal should have stooped down below the scum pond...to Ron's level...and shoved a gun in someone's mouth to make them listen. :lol:
This is how things get so out of hand on a message board. When I was reading last night it took me pages and pages to find out that Ron had never shoved a gun in anyone's mouth. Or did I miss something?
frances1
03-21-2009, 07:30 PM
Seems kind of an odd question to a point? If TN and Gma Sykes had known Crystal would not be able to get the kids to their Dr. appts how would their help in getting the kids to the Dr. be helping Crystal? Wouldn't it be that they were helping the kids? Seeings that the Dr. Appt's were for the kids?
Not an odd question to me at all. Is Crystal an invalid of some sort?
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:33 PM
As hard as I try I cannot see it the way you do. In the beginning Crystal was supportive of both Ron and Misty. People blame the souring on Crystal's Mother but we should also consider that people from that area were coming up and speaking to Crystal and her camp. I am 100% certain that Crystal did not for one second want to believe that either Ron or Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. The sway in her support for both Ron and Misty came when outsiders started speaking up and it began to fall in line with the suspicions that Crystal had with the prior markings she herself had seen on those kids and had reported to DCF.
Anyway that's my take on it at this time.You are right.. Crystal spoke of Ron and Misty feeling toward the children in a favorable way. We really do not know what happened when they were on cameras. Crystal was bound to be hurt with Misty and TN talking about how much the children loved Misty...on and on..I feel certain Crystal most likely heard alot more that we did not see or hear. And IIRC Crystal had asked DCF to investigate long before Haleigh went missing. jmo
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:36 PM
You
You know Texas, I will be willing to bet she will not care if she gets that ring or not if she gets HaLeigh back.....................
And, IF Misty had anything to do with HaLeigh being missing, I'll just bet Ron's mom will be happy to see the back of her.IF Misty had any part in Haleigh missing i feel certain TN will be cutting her fingers off to get her ring back.jmo
frances1
03-21-2009, 07:37 PM
WHat difference does that make? No matter what her reason for not being able to get the children to the Dr. GMa Neves or GGma Sykes would not be helping anyone but those kids if they had taken the kids to the Dr if FOR ANY REASON Crystal could not.
JMO
"Not being able to get the children to the Dr."? Or just not bothering to because she didn't feel like it? There is a difference.
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 07:37 PM
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html
Florida
All parties must consent to the recording or the disclosure of the contents of any wire, oral or electronic communication in Florida. Recording, disclosing, or endeavoring to disclose without the consent of all parties is a felony, unless the interception is a first offense committed without any illegal purpose, and not for commercial gain. Fla. Stat. ch. 934.03. These first offenses and the interception of cellular frequencies are misdemeanors. State v. News-Press Pub. Co., 338 So. 2d 1313 (1976).
Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,” Fla. Stat. ch. 934.02. See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2000).
Speaks volumnes. Consent was "not" required in this situation, under the law, after all.
above reference link refers to 934.02 for definition
934.02 Definitions.--As used in this chapter:
(2) "Oral communication" means any oral communication uttered by a person exhibiting an expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation and does not mean any public oral communication uttered at a public meeting or any electronic communication.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0934/SEC02.HTM&Title=-%3E2008-%3ECh0934-%3ESection%2002#0934.02
Don't agree with your post or interpretation, but so that's JMO.
JackiBlu
03-21-2009, 07:38 PM
I hate to rain on the parade, but IIRC Crystal hijacked the investigation into her daughter's disappearance and turned it into a custody battle.
But maybe I recall incorrectly....? :shrug:
Kathy you recall CORRECTLY!!
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:39 PM
what is your opinion of Ron? The father of Haleigh that TRUSTED a 5year old and a 3 year old to a 17 year old that HE KNEW what she was doing in her SPARE time? We tend to PUT DOWN one and NOT the other..why is that?:huh:
As a mother who would walk on glass for my children and face the devil himself if I needed too, I see that Crystal is not. She was unwilling to put herself out at all. Just because she wanted to sleep, she did not take HaLeigh to much needed doctor appointments............that is just a beginning.
Her moving so far from her children also bothers me. If you do not have your children but are given - I do not remember the correct wording - but she would have been able to see her babies if she had stayed close more than 4 days out of a month. That is NOT enough time with your babies if you are their mother.
Ron..............I see that he wanted the children because he heard that Crystal was doing drugs again and that his child was not receiving proper care...........no doctor appointment/etc. I feel certain that you have read about TS and it says that with proper treatment for these children, they can live happy lives.........maybe not have children themselves............and they will be short......etc......but the treatments are very, very important.
Ron is growing up as his children are growing up..............not the perfect setting but at least I get the vibs that he loves his children as do his mother and grandmother. That they want what is best for them.
Misty................probably to me one of his worst decisions..........I do believe that she was good to HaLeigh and Ron, Jr...........even Crystal said that at the beginning. She said that HaLeigh loved Misty.
Could Misty have been jealous of HaLeigh --- I do not know. Has Misty had other relationships other than Ron, I really do not know but feel yes she has. Do I condone that.....???? NO, that is not my lifestyle. Do I think she hurt HaLeigh...........???? I just do not think so..........and I do hope I am wrong.
I think that most women judge others more harsh because we understand what we would do for our children. I know that many here do not see things my way but moo is that no mother should leave her children for others to care for them. In this case where the judge gave her children to Ron.............she had the change to go back to court in 10 days............the judge told her she could............and her own choice was not to do this.
To me.............this ONLY means she just did not want them very badly and that she really thought that Ron, his mother and gmother would take good care of them.
Many might not agree but I hope they will not be angry with me.
I do hope that whoever took HaLeigh is held accountable and that this is solved...........beyond a reasonable doubt.
Also, I am praying that HaLeigh is alive and well.
See you Texas...............OT/my DIL is from Ft Worth.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:39 PM
Ha Ha!.......You read my mind!
Lets also not forget the pressure this is putting Misty under. I can just picture her calling and calling Ron frantically trying to get him away from this Cobra fellow!!
IF the coversation happened as Cobra says and IF Misty honestly Had Nothing to do w/Haleigh missing then Misty should distance herself from all of them. jmo
JackiBlu
03-21-2009, 07:40 PM
You are incorrect.
Crystal is not seeking custody.
Oh yes she is!!
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:41 PM
So it seems she just wants to 'stir the poo'....?
Has she received any donations of paint so she can begin the purple paint job?
I haven't heard, or found the site she has/is setting up asking for money.
When on NG, Crystal and her attorney are sitting outside this purple house.
Somewhere I read that Crystal, herself, had been painting so I guess the paint came from somewhere.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:43 PM
Sorry, it took me awhile to get back. My computor was hijacked. What's incorrect on that list River?
I asked if Theresa had any siblings, because I think it would help her deal with her grief.
:laugh: I feel your pain!
Sometimes I have to give up my puter to my grandbabies to play games. :laugh:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:44 PM
IF ..BIG IF..that conversation took place I have to wounder what was Misty's take on it after it was made public? Is she still w/Ron wherever he is? Just curious...Did he deny or maybe he said he was just playing along w/Cobra to throw the kidnappers off track? I have yet to read or hear anything from Ron but then I must have missed it. You are so right..why did not COBRA tape it and PLAY the TAPED conversation to media? lots of questions every time something/someone new is put into the picture. jmo:confused:
Where was this broadcasted???????????????
Did anyone hear it before having the link here?
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:45 PM
This is how things get so out of hand on a message board. When I was reading last night it took me pages and pages to find out that Ron had never shoved a gun in anyone's mouth. Or did I miss something?
No he did not..............baywench!
JackiBlu
03-21-2009, 07:46 PM
[QUOTE=Kathy*Rae;12918047]Bold underline mine
Apparently the judge did also.
I'm going to trust the judge's assessment over posters' opinions on a board... until or if we hear different from the court system.
YKWIM?[/QUOTE
And it was two (2) judges that awarded custody to Ron.............so both of them agreed that Ron was better prepared to take care of HaLeigh and Ron, Jr.
Remember that Ron, Jr. was only 6 months old and HaLeigh not 2 when he first got these children....................that was a lot of care he gave these children............with the help of his mother and grandmother. He also mentioned an aunt would be helping but I have not seen her name mentioned.
MOO is that Ron is growing up with his children........but he has been there for them.
We see pictures of these kids with Ron just doing normal everyday things in life.............such as learning to brush your teeth.
Hopefully, someone somewhere is taking good care of HaLeigh now. Please bring her home! Today would be good.
In the pictures you can just tell how very much Ron loves Haleigh. I also hope she is somewhere safe and will be coming home soon. JMO
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:48 PM
MOO
Misty should be willing to do ANYTHING she can to help find HaLeigh.
She needs someone to get behind her and say...............tell what you know to whomever ask..............
Why she would not do a walk through with anyone is beyond me.
What is she hiding if anything!
Maybe they should give Marie............5 minutes in a room with Misty to get at the truth..................:laugh: To me, she is the really harsh one.............she would spare no words................in MOHO
HaLeigh where are you!I would believe Misty did a walk through w/LE when the case first started. That is where it would count. jmo
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 07:48 PM
I beg to differ...it is never "as simple as that" when it comes to custody cases, or ANY cases in our judicial system these days. Since you were not in the courtroom with Crystal when she appeared before these 2 judges, you don't know what the situation was. We don't know who all was there with Ron or if anyone was there with Crystal. Perhaps Crystal felt intimidated by Ron, the guy she claims was physically and verbally abusive to her throughout their relationship. Maybe he'd threatened her and was staring her down and she was afraid to speak up. Perhaps she was intimidated by the judge...after all, you cannot hear the tone of anyone's voice in those transcripts, all you see is words in black and white. If you know anything about spousal abuse syndrome, it's clear the victim is "beaten down" by the abuser and thus is afraid to speak out, even before a judge. That's why zillions of protective orders get dropped every day. And let us not forget about Ron's family members who work for law enforcement. He made sure the Judge knew who his mother was and that he would be living with her. It wasn't like Crystal just abandoned the children and he had to care for them all by himself.
Go ahead, start hammering away...
Judge Judy says she can tell when someone is not being truthful. Maybe those judges had the same ability. JMO
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:49 PM
WHat difference does that make? No matter what her reason for not being able to get the children to the Dr. GMa Neves or GGma Sykes would not be helping anyone but those kids if they had taken the kids to the Dr if FOR ANY REASON Crystal could not.
JMO
:lol::lol:
Crysal's reason in the court papers...............she said that she missed appointment because she did not want to get out of bed. The judge did not like this excuse.
Nor do many of us.
What a mother.................always, thinking about what she wants/how she feels/...................think about your child sometime please.
moo
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 07:49 PM
You are right.. Crystal spoke of Ron and Misty feeling toward the children in a favorable way. We really do not know what happened when they were on cameras. Crystal was bound to be hurt with Misty and TN talking about how much the children loved Misty...on and on..I feel certain Crystal most likely heard alot more that we did not see or hear. And IIRC Crystal had asked DCF to investigate long before Haleigh went missing. jmo
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491368,00.html
VAN SUSTEREN: When you saw her, did she indicate or say to you anything to suggest there were problems in the home? I know that she's living with her father, or staying with her father and her father's girlfriend. Did she say there were any problems in the home?
SHEFFIELD: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, when was the last time that you saw your grandchild?
MARIE GRIFFIS, GRANDMOTHER: It was two weeks ago when they got their visitation to come stay with us (INAUDIBLE) We pick them up Friday night 6:00 o'clock and we return them Sunday at 6:00 o'clock.
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, do you live in the area or do you live out of state?
GRIFFIS: We live in Florida, but it's Baker County, Glenn St. Mary (ph), Florida. We live about an hour and 45 minutes from here.
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, do you know of any problems in that home?
GRIFFIS: In the past, Haleigh and Junior have told us that, you know, they've been hit and stuff like that, but up to this point, everything was fine.
VAN SUSTEREN: Crystal, have you spoken to the father of your child or his girlfriend in the last 24 hours?
SHEFFIELD: I spoke to him yesterday. I have not spoken to his girlfriend.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?
SHEFFIELD: He just said that -- he told me he was sorry and that if he would have been home from work that it would have never happened.
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, what do you think has happened? I know that there are a lot of theories, a lot of sex offenders in the area. What are you sort of -- you know, where is your suspicion tonight, Marie?
GRIFFIS: My suspicions is why is it two children was in the bed with this 17-year-old girl, and somebody comes into the home and picks a child up that's laying right next to you and you don't know where she went. You get up and go to the bathroom and come back and she's not there. Well, was she there when she got up and went to the bathroom? Why don't we have that information? What happened? It don't take but 15, 20 seconds to go to the bathroom, and it's right there in the bedroom, also. So I wonder what role Misty plays in this.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever met her, Marie?
GRIFFIS: I have never officially been introduced to her. I saw her in Ronald's car one weekend when we took Haleigh and Junior back to their dad on a Sunday, and she was sitting in the car. And I don't know who she is, never spoke to her. All I know is Haleigh and Junior told me that they liked her, that she was nice to them.
GRIFFIS: Crystal, do you know the girlfriend at all? I mean, have you ever, like, had any conversations with her in any depth? Do you know what kind of person she is, anything about her?
SHEFFIELD: No, I don't. I've talked to her. She seemed like a really nice person, but I've never sat down and had a conversation with her. And the kids told me that...
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, I don't mean to...
SHEFFIELD: ... They loved her.
VAN SUSTEREN: How long, Crystal, has she been in the children's lives?
SHEFFIELD: Probably four to six months? I'm not really sure.
VAN SUSTEREN: Marie, I don't want to -- you know, because I'm asking questions about the girlfriend (INAUDIBLE) you know, think that she's the only person I'm curious about. I mean, obviously, everybody -- we're curious about everybody tonight. Do you know anything, Marie, about any neighbors at all, people who live nearby that have shown any particular interest to this child at all, Marie, do you know?
GRIFFIS: The only thing we know about any neighbors is there were some kids that lived next door that Haleigh and Junior played with, and they were seen out playing in the yard around 5:00 o'clock yesterday -- or Monday evening. I guess it was Monday evening. I can't even remember anymore. The days are just running together now.
Where is this little girl?
CANDYKISSES
03-21-2009, 07:49 PM
This is how things get so out of hand on a message board. When I was reading last night it took me pages and pages to find out that Ron had never shoved a gun in anyone's mouth. Or did I miss something?
No bay, and the idea of how fast this board was ablaze with misinformation was another example of the reason LE is bogged down with BS half the time anymore. Got any dreams you feel like calling in today?:loveeyes:
I would not be one bit shocked to hear that Ron was providing entertainment back to Cobra after Cobra put his own show on.
Also, I listened to the TAPED INTERVIEW of COBRA and he couldn't even remember Misty's name, referenced something about Ron telling him he wouldn't know where his son was...and :rolleyes:I believe that was regarding HALEIGH....it was pretty sad. But my favorites were the forensic analysis including the dew being just right....OH DEAR....and of course the VIGUAL <wink> was something too...but drinking from the same plastic cup as Ron....Well, that's like the topping on a sundae. JMO. I see today some people are still certain they know something that is questionable at best.
KNOW THIS, when HALEIGH CUMMINGS went missing Crystal was in some pretty serious arrears on the obligation for her first set of children, and the courts tabled it until after HALEIGH COMES HOME.
One could perceive that as a motive but Ron was not up in Crystal's business until she had hammered down on him.
Neither is a saint, but I feel strongly Crystal and Kim have succeeded in taking the focus off HALEIGH CUMMINGS and that if JUNIOR was in jeopardy HE WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED and placed into a foster home IMOO. GTSYA!
JackiBlu
03-21-2009, 07:50 PM
Seems kind of an odd question to a point? If TN and Gma Sykes had known Crystal would not be able to get the kids to their Dr. appts how would their help in getting the kids to the Dr. be helping Crystal? Wouldn't it be that they were helping the kids? Seeings that the Dr. Appt's were for the kids?
How would TN and Gma know what days Crystal didn't want to get out of bed to make those appointments? JMO
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:50 PM
"Not being able to get the children to the Dr."? Or just not bothering to because she didn't feel like it? There is a difference.
That is exactly how I feel too................if she were sick, was at work, etc............that is a different ballgame..........but
not wanting to get out of bed..............that is unexcusable!:cursing:
frances1
03-21-2009, 07:52 PM
Again it does not matter what reason Crystal may or may not have had.
Other than that I would be left assuming that if Gma Neves or GGma sykes were being vindictive by refusing to take the kids to the dr. when they found out Crystal couldn't get the kids there ofr whatever reason and therefor were not acting in the best interest of the children.
Why are we discussing this???
~WHERE IS LITTLE HALEIGH!~
Apparently, the judge felt the reason was important; and, by the way, no one is forcing you to discuss it, but others may do so.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:55 PM
You are incorrect.
Crystal is not seeking custody.Thats right Rush....
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:57 PM
I beg to differ...it is never "as simple as that" when it comes to custody cases, or ANY cases in our judicial system these days. Since you were not in the courtroom with Crystal when she appeared before these 2 judges, you don't know what the situation was. We don't know who all was there with Ron or if anyone was there with Crystal. Perhaps Crystal felt intimidated by Ron, the guy she claims was physically and verbally abusive to her throughout their relationship. Maybe he'd threatened her and was staring her down and she was afraid to speak up. Perhaps she was intimidated by the judge...after all, you cannot hear the tone of anyone's voice in those transcripts, all you see is words in black and white. If you know anything about spousal abuse syndrome, it's clear the victim is "beaten down" by the abuser and thus is afraid to speak out, even before a judge. That's why zillions of protective orders get dropped every day. And let us not forget about Ron's family members who work for law enforcement. He made sure the Judge knew who his mother was and that he would be living with her. It wasn't like Crystal just abandoned the children and he had to care for them all by himself.
Go ahead, start hammering away...
First of all......Ron's mother does not work where she would come into contact with these judges..........Yes, he had help with a 6 month old and a not 2 year old ..............everyone would need help if they worked.....and that is not just an opinion.............it is fact.
I read that Cyrstal's mother was there because she kept answering questions for Crystal so the judge asked her to come up and be sworn in.................so............yes, I know that Crystal's mother was there.
Crystal was away from Ron when this all happened.
BTW...........you said that since I was not in the court............where you there is that how you know so much more than Me....????:shrug:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 07:58 PM
LOL, Patricia, but no. I was asking if the people that came forward at the Crystal camp with info re: some of the alleged abuse did not have a phone that they could have called Crystal when it supposedly happened.
jmo
OR..............why did they not report it to the proper people.........as simple as that.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 07:59 PM
Bold underline mine
Apparently the judge did also.
I'm going to trust the judge's assessment over posters' opinions on a board... until or if we hear different from the court system.
YKWIM?Maybe you missed the post I replied to Kathy. I am well aware of court decision. It was more about his actions and THIS poster is entitled to an opinion. JMO
Riverwalk!
03-21-2009, 08:00 PM
Sorry, it took me awhile to get back. My computor was hijacked. What's incorrect on that list River?
I asked if Theresa had any siblings, because I think it would help her deal with her grief.
That Robert and Randy Cummings are related to Ronald L. Cummings. I haven't seen any proof anywhere on Search Engine sites (veromi, People Search, Net Detective, civil documents, etc.) except for a Ronald Cummings with a different middle name. You referred me to SM who SAYS that. I disagree and say it's incorrect. That's all except that I can't find any sibs of TN either. :)
MOO and see you folks later tonight after my short food date.
Texas48
03-21-2009, 08:09 PM
I beg to differ...it is never "as simple as that" when it comes to custody cases, or ANY cases in our judicial system these days. Since you were not in the courtroom with Crystal when she appeared before these 2 judges, you don't know what the situation was. We don't know who all was there with Ron or if anyone was there with Crystal. Perhaps Crystal felt intimidated by Ron, the guy she claims was physically and verbally abusive to her throughout their relationship. Maybe he'd threatened her and was staring her down and she was afraid to speak up. Perhaps she was intimidated by the judge...after all, you cannot hear the tone of anyone's voice in those transcripts, all you see is words in black and white. If you know anything about spousal abuse syndrome, it's clear the victim is "beaten down" by the abuser and thus is afraid to speak out, even before a judge. That's why zillions of protective orders get dropped every day. And let us not forget about Ron's family members who work for law enforcement. He made sure the Judge knew who his mother was and that he would be living with her. It wasn't like Crystal just abandoned the children and he had to care for them all by himself.
Go ahead, start hammering away...According to a few it is cut and dry..black and white..no in between...and yea..you better borrow the hard hat that has been passed around.jmo
?noanswer
03-21-2009, 08:10 PM
This is an unusual case in that LE has not been able to find any evidence or at least any they have shared.
According to what has been in the media they did not find any evidence in the van. If they have found any finger prints that belong to anyone other than the usual people that were in the residence, they have not said so. If as some people have theorized Misty had a visitor and maybe something was done to Haleigh to cover up the visit, one would think their fingerprints would have been there before anything happened and I doubt they would take the time to clean up fps after the fact. In fact, can't LE tell if things have been cleaned. The only thing as far as evidence is maybe phone records. If Misty was seeing someone on the side, there should be phone calls. Course LE hasn't said what evidence they may have, but they keep alluding to the fact that that don't have much.
They were involved within a few hours of the disappearance. Unlike the KC case, there was a 30 day lag before it was know that Caylee was missing. In less than 36 hrs. they had determined that KC knew more than she was telling. KC thought she had everything covered.
If Misty did have a visitor that night, I think LE should pull the same trick with her that I have seen used on TV. They put the suspect in a room where they can see what is going on outside. Then they bring the other person by. Then they will tell the suspect that if they want to protect themself, then they better talk before the other person does. Course maybe it would not work in real life.
I'm just glad I'm not in LE's shoes. JMO
sunstar
03-21-2009, 08:17 PM
IF ..BIG IF..that conversation took place I have to wounder what was Misty's take on it after it was made public? Is she still w/Ron wherever he is? Just curious...Did he deny or maybe he said he was just playing along w/Cobra to throw the kidnappers off track? I have yet to read or hear anything from Ron but then I must have missed it. You are so right..why did not COBRA tape it and PLAY the TAPED conversation to media? lots of questions every time something/someone new is put into the picture. jmo:confused:
I really would like to hear Ron say those things instead of just having it be "hearsay". I do tend to believe Cobra though since last week it seemed odd when Ron & his mother were on Nancy's show that Misty wasn't seated there with them. :shrug: MOO
Peaches
03-21-2009, 08:17 PM
I don't know Peaches, maybe I am just reading some posts the wrong way. It just seems to me that Crystal can't seem to do anything for her self. Like the post I was responding to. Why can't TN or GGM take Crystal to appts?? Well he77 and all that. Why can't her mom or someone in her family do it?? When RC supposedly told Crystal if she couldn't take the kids for the appt. to bring them home that night, he would take them, then why didn't she??
Again, hoping I'm making sense.
jmo
Yes............and the ONLY reason we know about Ron, Jr.'s appointment that Crystal missed is because it too is in the court papers.
Ron would have made sure his baby was taken to the doctor's appointment.............
This appointment was about his heart for petes sakes..........not a minor thing.
When you decide that everything is all about you and what is good for you as Crystal seems to have done, your children go lacking even if it is as important as doctor appointments that are serious.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 08:21 PM
I really would like to hear Ron say those things instead of just having it be "hearsay". I do tend to believe Cobra though since last week it seemed odd when Ron & his mother were on Nancy's show that Misty wasn't seated there with them. :shrug: MOO
Sunstar..........that might be due to the fact that she did not want to appear. We just do not know.
In fact..............since LE is so tightlipped we do not know a whole lot.
Only what court document that have been uncovered and the little we catch on tv.
crymeariver2006
03-21-2009, 08:23 PM
See,
Since I do not know Misty, I would not want to call her trash. I see a girl who has made mistakes.........one instead of receiving guidence was kicked out of her house when she was very young. Many of us are not lucky enough to have a caring/loving family - extended family who know enough to give us the kinda care we need. Trash is a harsh word.
If you call Misty trash....................IF that is what you are doing?
Are you calling others trash? Those who sleep with several men and have babies but are not married?
Misty just as no children from her contacts...........at least none that I know of.
AND................there is no evidence that they have ONLY slept with the ones who they had children by..............sometimes you use birthcontrol.......................and other times, you are lucky and just do not get caught.
Pot and kettle are both the same to me.
Do not get me wrong...................I thank God above that my children learned ..............family values, morals and self-respect. I would be in the looney bin if I had a child like those we are talking about on this board.
You know what? The lives of your children and grandchildren can turn on a dime. There are no guarantees in this life. So while you sit there and brag about your perfect family on a message board, just remember that the ones you trash are somebody's child and grandchild too and their lives, for better or worse, are what they are. They are no less human than you or I.
And you would not be in a looney bin if you had Crystal as a daughter. You would love her in spite of her shortcomings and it would break your heart to see some of the things posted about her.
You're always saying about Ron that we haven't walked in his shoes. Well, there's some shoes you haven't walked in either.
I just don't understand the psyche of someone, anyone, who would every day come here and trash the mother of a missing child.
:sad:
Peaches
03-21-2009, 08:24 PM
I do not care for one second what the reason was/is whatever.
What difference does that make?
I agree to the last sentence. I would just be speculating to think that possibly Crystal had low metabolism right? Again, what difference does that make?
Never mind. If you don't understand what I am saying then just forget it. There has got to be something we both agree on somewhere within this whole train wreck.
Patricia...............it makes a lot of difference what the excuse was as to why Crystal could not/would not take her sick child to the doctor.
We are not speculating when we say it was at times simply because she did not want to get out of bed. She made that statement and it is recorded in court papers.
Crystal was the one making the doctor appointments. She could have made them later in the day so that she could have taken this child to the doctor. HaLeigh has TS.............she needed this care.
And...........you are correct...............this is a train wreck. I just wish HaLeigh was back and safe in the arms of her dad.
Peaches
03-21-2009, 08:27 PM
Uuuuhhhhh, that she didn't have the money to pay a retainer to an attorney to handle a modification battle, because that's what she would've faced if she had filed for ER injunction. Even if her request was granted, Ron would have the right to object, etc., etc., Those matters are NOT cheap. Crystal has said she called DCS and her family did many times as well, but no action was taken. She also said she DID GO to the courthouse to get assistance in getting her children but was told on more than one occasion that there wasn't anything she could do.:crying:
What is her excuse for not taking the 10 days the judge gave her to bring witnesses/evidence to court in order to obtain custody of the children?
The JUDGE gave her this opportunity............it too is in the court papers and she said NO...........it would not have cost her anything.
She just did not want these babies...............moo
Peaches
03-21-2009, 08:28 PM
Exactly. I wonder if she also needs help finding the toilet paper without someone guiding her???
jmo
YES...........my guess right now is yes.:thumbsup:
Santa'sMom
03-21-2009, 08:28 PM
I have.
Ron however was awarded physical custody of the children.
That pulls a lot of weight. IMO
I beg to differ. The children were already in Ron's physical custody, after he left the state with them so he could "go to work" (work seems to be a regular excuse for him). He filed for custody when he returned to the state. He was also working and Crystal wasn't. Those are the main reasons he got custody, not because he was deemed to be the better parent, but because he was working and they were already with him. Certainly just my opinion but it's based on what I have witnessed in other custody cases and by what I read in the court records. And for all of the people going on and on and on about Crystal not taking Haleigh to her doctor's appointments, she was apparantly still living with Ron at the time (why else would she need to have Ron's momma or granny take her to the appts?) but no one seems to have any problem with Ron not making sure Haleigh was seen by the doctor. I know, I know, he was "working." Well, I work and I make sure my kids get in to see the doctor or dentist. Crystal is a poster child for chronic depression. She apparantly comes from a line of alcoholics/addicts and depression often runs in such families. When she said, (paraphrasing) 'or I just didn't feel like getting out of bed' it sounded to me like someone who had given up. She probably already felt like she wasn't going to get the judge to listen so why bother. At least she was adult enough to not try to blame someone else. Personally, I hope Crystal gets in to see a good doctor and gets her life together. She has potential. Unless you've "lived" with chronic depression, you can never begin to understand how difficult it makes life. Just opening your eyes can take all of your effort. Regardless of how anyone feels about Crystal, the chances of her being involved in Haleigh's disappearance seems to be rather slim to me, unless Misty had a habit of leaving the kids home alone while Ron was at work and she had someone sneak in and snatch Haleigh. Even though that would be a very wrong thing for her to do, it would ultimately be Ron's bad for leaving his kids with someone who wasn't taking care of them. jmo
teresa
03-21-2009, 08:28 PM
I have been reading, and reading, and reading all week. The custody issue, Cobra etc just don't do anything but make me think even less of these people. My bottom line still remains the same. Misty was the last one to see her, Misty provided the timeline, Misty strikes me as very feral. I don't believe Ron had anything to do with it but his behavior is strange also...getting married? Really? The focus has to remain on Misty imo until she is able to convince LE that she is in no way responsible. Obviously she hasn't been able to to do that yet. Unlike some, I believe LE has a handle on this and has from the start, they are either trying to get Haleigh back (if she is alive) or putting all their ducks in a row to charge someone. When Tim was told to leave this case changed for me. I felt right then they were looking at the family. jmo
Tim said "she isn't here". IF it were family, wouldn't she be nearby? Isn't that when they said they were treating it as an abduction??
Peaches
03-21-2009, 08:31 PM
You know what? The lives of your children and grandchildren can turn on a dime. There are no guarantees in this life. So while you sit there and brag about your perfect family on a message board, just remember that the ones you trash are somebody's child and grandchild too and their lives, for better or worse, are what they are. They are no less human than you or I.
And you would not be in a looney bin if you had Crystal as a daughter. You would love her in spite of her shortcomings and it would break your heart to see some of the things posted about her.
You're always saying about Ron that we haven't walked in his shoes. Well, there's some shoes you haven't walked in either.
I just don't understand the psyche of someone, anyone, who would every day come here and trash the mother of a missing child.
:sad:
What??????????????
I know that life can change and it does but peoples values and morals are there for a lifetime.
Since you do not know me personally, please just skip my post if they upset you. Because like you I feel I am allowed to post my opinions....and I will.
Any mother - who is a mother will do all in her power to take care of her children................enough said! :tonguewag:
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