Saturday 3/21 Hope for Haleigh

[crymeariver2006]

What??????????????

I know that life can change and it does but peoples values and morals are there for a lifetime.

Since you do not know me personally, please just skip my post if they upset you. Because like you I feel I am allowed to post my opinions....and I will.

Any mother - who is a mother will do all in her power to take care of her children................enough said! :tonguewag:

No, I don't know you.

And you don't know Crystal.

Shoes > walk

[Santa'sMom]

What is her excuse for not taking the 10 days the judge gave her to bring witnesses/evidence to court in order to obtain custody of the children?

The JUDGE gave her this opportunity............it too is in the court papers and she said NO...........it would not have cost her anything.

She just did not want these babies...............moo

You are assuming. You do not know if she wanted her children or not. You don't know what was going on in her mind nor what the situation was between Ron and Crystal. What good would it have done her to take the paperwork into the court? The judge had already made up his mind. Without an attorney, and it is seldom that you can get a pro bono attorney for divorce and/or child custody, she really didn't have much of a chance. imo

[Peaches]

No, I don't know you.

And you don't know Crystal.

Shoes > walk


What she has said on tv and what I have read in court papers makes me know more about Crystal than you know about me.

And what I know about Crystal tells me she is no a good parent!

[Peaches]

You are assuming. You do not know if she wanted her children or not. You don't know what was going on in her mind nor what the situation was between Ron and Crystal. What good would it have done her to take the paperwork into the court? The judge had already made up his mind. Without an attorney, and it is seldom that you can get a pro bono attorney for divorce and/or child custody, she really didn't have much of a chance. imo


Santa,

As a mother, I can tell you without a doubt, I would have been there on my hands and knees begging that judge to give me the change to take care of my children.

Never would I just let it go!

Crystal's dad was in law enforcement...........he knew people who could have helped her.

Never would I have moved 2 hours away from my children.....never.

[sunstar]

Sunstar..........that might be due to the fact that she did not want to appear. We just do not know.

In fact..............since LE is so tightlipped we do not know a whole lot.

Only what court document that have been uncovered and the little we catch on tv.

Oh, I agree, Peaches ~ we don't know a lot of things! There are just some parts of what Cobra says that do seem believable, imo.

[crymeariver2006]

What she has said on tv and what I have read in court papers makes me know more about Crystal than you know about me.

And what I know about Crystal tells me she is no a good parent!

Shoes > walk

[sunstar]

I didn't find it at all odd. One she had just gotten raked over the coals for her Today appearance, the wedding plus anyone with any good sense at all would know NOT to go on NG...regardless of the circumstances.:biggrin:

Well, except Nancy does seem to like Ron a lot, so it's safe (so far) for him to appear! :biggrin:

[teresa]

If this is true............I missed it. Sorry.

What I saw was that all of the people who supposedly saw abuse in the past and did nothing (the pic was from Nov), could be charged. And the pediatric nurse who is convinced the injuries were not from a fall from the monkey bars could/should lose her license. Also, the doctors and the ER.

And I agree. Anyone who saw suspected abuse and did nothing should pay a price for that.

[crymeariver2006]

I beg to differ. The children were already in Ron's physical custody, after he left the state with them so he could "go to work" (work seems to be a regular excuse for him). He filed for custody when he returned to the state. He was also working and Crystal wasn't. Those are the main reasons he got custody, not because he was deemed to be the better parent, but because he was working and they were already with him. Certainly just my opinion but it's based on what I have witnessed in other custody cases and by what I read in the court records. And for all of the people going on and on and on about Crystal not taking Haleigh to her doctor's appointments, she was apparantly still living with Ron at the time (why else would she need to have Ron's momma or granny take her to the appts?) but no one seems to have any problem with Ron not making sure Haleigh was seen by the doctor. I know, I know, he was "working." Well, I work and I make sure my kids get in to see the doctor or dentist. Crystal is a poster child for chronic depression. She apparantly comes from a line of alcoholics/addicts and depression often runs in such families. When she said, (paraphrasing) 'or I just didn't feel like getting out of bed' it sounded to me like someone who had given up. She probably already felt like she wasn't going to get the judge to listen so why bother. At least she was adult enough to not try to blame someone else. Personally, I hope Crystal gets in to see a good doctor and gets her life together. She has potential. Unless you've "lived" with chronic depression, you can never begin to understand how difficult it makes life. Just opening your eyes can take all of your effort. Regardless of how anyone feels about Crystal, the chances of her being involved in Haleigh's disappearance seems to be rather slim to me, unless Misty had a habit of leaving the kids home alone while Ron was at work and she had someone sneak in and snatch Haleigh. Even though that would be a very wrong thing for her to do, it would ultimately be Ron's bad for leaving his kids with someone who wasn't taking care of them. jmo

ITA, and believe that Crystal exhibited signs of postpartum depression after the birth of Ron Jr. I doubt she was ever diagnosed or treated.

:sad:

[Peaches]

QUOTE=crymeariver2006;12918308]Shoes > walk[/QUOTE]




:lol::lol::lol:[

[Themis]

Judge Judy also recently said on Larry King that the brutal assault on Rhianna was not "domestic abuse." Judges are not gods, they are mere mortals, and as thus make mistakes like the rest of us.
Reference post 333 by Whoodunit
It needs to be pointed out that Judge Judy was very specific as to why in her opinion and experience as a family court judge the Rhianna assault was not 'domestic abuse.' Her reasons were valid.
Judge Judy was adamant in her opinion that Rhianna's case was a criminal assault; therefore, it was a case for the district attorney to prosecute. Period. In other words, this is not a situation where Rhianna can choose to 'drop it' and make up with her attacker.

[?noanswer]

Reference post 333 by Whoodunit
It needs to be pointed out that Judge Judy was very specific as to why in her opinion and experience as a family court judge the Rhianna assault was not 'domestic abuse.' Her reasons were valid.
Judge Judy was adamant in her opinion that Rhianna's case was a criminal assault; therefore, it was a case for the district attorney to prosecute. Period. In other words, this is not a situation where Rhianna can choose to 'drop it' and make up with her attacker.

Thank you for the clarification. I did not see that show, but the reply to my post didn't seem to me to be the way Judge Judy thinks. JMO

[Peaches]

Peaches. You have no idea what you would do under the same circumstances. Nothing is predicatable, you may think that's how you would react, but you don't know until your wearing the same shoes Crystal was at the time. So, she moved two hours away, out of necessity it appears. Thank goodness she had a place to go.

moo



WRONG..................I would NEVER move away from my children! You can take that to the bank and know that it is insured.

This is getting too personal ................ and I refuse to defend my life and tell you more about my family. I know that I am fortunate. I also know that I would give my very own life for one of my children/grandchildren. Soooooooooooo you see, I know that I would never leave them.

In fact, I retired early so that I could take care of my grandchildren so their parents could work without worrying about them. Yes, I am fortunate! And, I never fail to thank God for blessing me!


Good Night all.....................

Carry on and remember this is not about me.............or about what I would do.

[crymeariver2006]

WRONG..................I would NEVER move away from my children! You can take that to the bank and know that it is insured.

This is getting too personal ................ and I refuse to defend my life and tell you more about my family. I know that I am fortunate. I also know that I would give my very own life for one of my children/grandchildren. Soooooooooooo you see, I know that I would never leave them.

In fact, I retired early so that I could take care of my grandchildren so their parents could work without worrying about them. Yes, I am fortunate! And, I never fail to thank God for blessing me!

Good Night all.....................

Carry on and remember this is not about me.............or about what I would do.

You're right, it's not about you.

[?noanswer]

I don't believe it's been 4 years since Ron stole the children from Crystal and even if it were, he hasn't "had them" by himself. His mom and grandma have been raising them. Well, that is, at least until he moved in his teenage sexual partner to care for them. Look how well that turned out...
Yep, I'd say Crystal has grown some ...... and their name is Kim Picasio, and she and Crystal have both said in TV interviews that Crystal was verbally and physically abused by Ron during the entire time she was with him. And she finally did get some .... back then too, and got away from him and took her children with her to keep them safe. What happened? He asked to see them for Haliegh's birthday, she allowed it out of the goodness of her heart, and what happened? He refused to bring them back. Then took them out of state! Then filed for custody claiming she was a drug addict (with no proof except hearsay)....do I really need to go on? If you are really a victim of abuse, then you should not only be able to understand what she's been through, but you should also be PROUD of her for what she has done and is trying to do!

I think Ron was lucky to have extended family to help him with Haleigh and JR. Crystal's mom helps her too. In fact, isn't she the one that was instrumental in getting Wayann Kruger as a media rep. and Kim P. as an atty.? All children who have extended family to love them are lucky. I think maybe that could be part of what is wrong with society today. Lots of familes are not near other members for a lot of reasons. When and where I was growing up, there were no nursing homes or day care centers. Familes took care of the elderly as well as the young. JMO

[Peaches]

You're right, it's not about you.



You are getting too personal! Give it a REST!

[Themis]

Thank you for the clarification. I did not see that show, but the reply to my post didn't seem to me to be the way Judge Judy thinks. JMO
Reference post 377 by ?noanswer

You're welcome. Larry King is not a show I see very often; just happened to be channel surfing and saw Judge Judy being interviewed. Yes, Judge Judy was very forceful in her explanation of why the Rhianna case was not domestic but criminal and it made perfect sense. On a side note, I share her view that currently fewer people seem to have plain old common sense in dealing with some of life's problems. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

You are getting too personal! Give it a REST!

Huh?

This case is about a missing five year old girl, Haleigh Cummings.

Remember her?

[sunstar]

Yeah...so far. Just wait until she turns on him though...:wink:

From what I've read though, it doesn't seem he'll be making many media appearances from now on so she might not get another chance! :smile:

The release also stated that the law office would "coordinate media attention," because, "while publicity is a definite asset in the search for Haleigh, Ronald Cummings can not handle all the various requests for his time that the media and the public are seeking, and access will be very limited."

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090321/ARTICLES/903211009/1402/NEWS?Title=Attorneys-Law-firm-to-represent-Haleigh-s-dad

[?noanswer]

Reference post 377 by ?noanswer

You're welcome. Larry King is not a show I see very often; just happened to be channel surfing and saw Judge Judy being interviewed. Yes, Judge Judy was very forceful in her explanation of why the Rhianna case was not domestic but criminal and it made perfect sense. On a side note, I share her view that currently fewer people seem to have plain old common sense in dealing with some of life's problems. JMO

I wish more Judges would use her approach. I know the cases she handles are almost nonsense issues and are for entertainment value, but if other Judges would give a little lesson as she does, just maybe some people would listen. In fact, it would be interesting to see how she would have handled the custody case between Ron & Crystal. JMO

[march27]

What??????????????

I know that life can change and it does but peoples values and morals are there for a lifetime.

Since you do not know me personally, please just skip my post if they upset you. Because like you I feel I am allowed to post my opinions....and I will.

Any mother - who is a mother will do all in her power to take care of her children................enough said! :tonguewag:


Your absolutely right any good mother will get her kids to the doctors when they need to be there. Regardless of the reasons she doesnt have custody there is absolutely no excuse for missing that many Dr. appointments. This is her daughters health that we are talking about. I dont understand why some cannot see the severity of the issue and what that says about her moral character. When you have children, especially a child that has a condition that requires routine Dr. appointments, you get them to the Dr. There is nothing in this world that is more important than your childs health. How can this possibly be excused as "Oh she didnt have a ride". Well then guess what.. call a cab, take a bus, beg a neighbor, darn it walk if you have to. Again this is Jmo and sorry for ranting this just kind of upsets me.

[teresa]

Judge Judy also recently said on Larry King that the brutal assault on Rhianna was not "domestic abuse." Judges are not gods, they are mere mortals, and as thus make mistakes like the rest of us.

She called it what it was "assault".

[?noanswer]

To pharaphase an infamous PI "Just take Haleigh to a Walgreens and drop her off". Give her some money to go inside and buy a candy bar. A good person will find her and call LE. If not that, take her to a fire station or a hospital. So far you have been good covering your tracks. I'm sure you could do one of the above and not get caught. Please, Please, do something good and let her return to her family. Thank you. JMO

[JackiBlu]

I don't believe it's been 4 years since Ron stole the children from Crystal and even if it were, he hasn't "had them" by himself. His mom and grandma have been raising them. Well, that is, at least until he moved in his teenage sexual partner to care for them. Look how well that turned out...
Yep, I'd say Crystal has grown some ...... and their name is Kim Picasio, and she and Crystal have both said in TV interviews that Crystal was verbally and physically abused by Ron during the entire time she was with him. And she finally did get some .... back then too, and got away from him and took her children with her to keep them safe. What happened? He asked to see them for Haliegh's birthday, she allowed it out of the goodness of her heart, and what happened? He refused to bring them back. Then took them out of state! Then filed for custody claiming she was a drug addict (with no proof except hearsay)....do I really need to go on? If you are really a victim of abuse, then you should not only be able to understand what she's been through, but you should also be PROUD of her for what she has done and is trying to do!

I believe if you read the court documents Crystal allowed Ron to take Haleigh and Jr. out of state. He didn't steal them. You say Crystal has grown but she still isn't taking responsibility for her children since she is behind over 4,000.00 in child support. JMO

[sleuth]

That Robert and Randy Cummings are related to Ronald L. Cummings. I haven't seen any proof anywhere on Search Engine sites (veromi, People Search, Net Detective, civil documents, etc.) except for a Ronald Cummings with a different middle name. You referred me to SM who SAYS that. I disagree and say it's incorrect. That's all except that I can't find any sibs of TN either. :)

MOO and see you folks later tonight after my short food date.

IMO I have noticed a lack of information on TN!!
Is Neves her maiden name? Is/was she married? If so who was she married to? :confused: Can anyone give info on Teresa? Since each person is important in solving this case and bringing Haleigh home I think we need more info...the net seems to be pretty silent on her,hmmm:sneaky:
Any ideas out there?

[teresa]

You are assuming. You do not know if she wanted her children or not. You don't know what was going on in her mind nor what the situation was between Ron and Crystal. What good would it have done her to take the paperwork into the court? The judge had already made up his mind. Without an attorney, and it is seldom that you can get a pro bono attorney for divorce and/or child custody, she really didn't have much of a chance. imo

She didn't have an attorney? The lawyer she has now said she did plus when I read the filings, I thought I remembered one. Not the first one maybe but the second long one.

[ALIAS]

Was Misty absent for Ron and his Mum's last TV interview?

Is she OK?



I have not been around to hear any news regarding the search for Haleygh, so I am not too sure what is going on as of recently.

I am under the assumption that there have been no new or viable tips as to Haleigh's welfare or her whereabouts.


HAS THAT DREADFUL WOODED AREA NEAR THE CUMMINGS HOME BEEN SEARCHED? IS THE SEARCH CONTINUING IN THAT AREA?

It seems very odd to me that this area hasn't been given more attention than it apparently has, AND THE WATERWAYS in that area as well.




It is time for Haleigh to be brought home! :rose:

[?noanswer]

IMO I have noticed a lack of information on TN!!
Is Neves her maiden name? Is/was she married? If so who was she married to? :confused: Can anyone give info on Teresa? Since each person is important in solving this case and bringing Haleigh home I think we need more info...the net seems to be pretty silent on her,hmmm:sneaky:
Any ideas out there?

There's not much on a lot of people. Maybe she is one of those. I think Ron's dad, Mr. Cummings has been mentioned, but that doesn't mean she was married to him. I have never heard anyone mention a male with the name of Neves, so maybe that is her maiden name. I've said all this to say I can't answer your question!!! JMO

[teresa]

"If" the allegations are proven true I agree with you 100%.

Actually in the case of professionals like doctors and nurses, they don't have to be true. If they suspect abuse and don't report it, they are in serious trouble.

[crymeariver2006]

There's not much on a lot of people. Maybe she is one of those. I think Ron's dad, Mr. Cummings has been mentioned, but that doesn't mean she was married to him. I have never heard anyone mention a male with the name of Neves, so maybe that is her maiden name. I've said all this to say I can't answer your question!!! JMO

So you think TN was never a Cummings?

Has a marriage license/certificate ever been found?

[?noanswer]

http://www.dunnscreekmedia.com/

As anyone seen this vigil before? Its quite long, but quite interesting to see Ron and Crystal sitting beside each other. Look at Crystal with Junior, how could anyone deny she is devasted and loves Junior with all her heart. This is one night when I think there was solidarty between Ron and Crystal.


moo


I wonder if Ron & Crystal would have worked things out if it had not been for family interference. I just get the feeling that Crystal still likes Ron, but I don't know if it is reciprocal on Ron's part. JMO

[?noanswer]

So you think TN was never a Cummings?

Has a marriage license/certificate ever been found?

I don't have any idea as I have never seen any information about it. The reason I worded it the way I did is because I did not know and a mother can give her child the father's name even if they are not married. I was trying not to give false information. JMO

[odyssey]

Does it seem odd to anyone else that the first and only time that SO Loucakis ever violated curfew was after Haleigh's abduction? He was arrested 9 or 10 days after HaLeigh disappeared and to my knowledge he is still being held. It would really be awful if he was keeping her somewhere and she died because he was arrested.

i just wish we knew where she was. :crying:

[crymeariver2006]

I don't have any idea as I have never seen any information about it. The reason I worded it the way I did is because I did not know and a mother can give her child the father's name even if they are not married. I was trying not to give false information. JMO

That's true, and Ron does have a sister, Crystal, who also has the last name of Cummings. Or she did the last time she was on tv.

And Haleigh and Jr. have the last name of Cummings although Ron and Crystal were never married.

[teresa]

Jack. CW has asked us not to discuss that subject anymore.

fwiw

moo

CW answered my question and said not to discuss personal child support issues and how old we were when we got married. The issues of Crystal's child support and Misty's age are pertinent to this case.

Hope you're having a good day Swar. I guess we won't hear any news until Monday, if then. I'm getting very depressed about this case. :sad:

[Themis]

Did I read it correctly earlier that the audio that was put up of Cobra's supposed conversations with Ron, et al was removed? And I wonder why other news people are not talking about it. hmmm... What do you guys think it means?
Liznchas, it will be very interesting come Monday when all media is back up to full strength. I'm curious as all get out regarding that radio show featuring William Staubs (AKA Cobra) and what is happening as a result of its airing.

[?noanswer]

Did I read it correctly earlier that the audio that was put up of Cobra's supposed conversations with Ron, et al was removed? And I wonder why other news people are not talking about it. hmmm... What do you guys think it means?

I don't think it was removed completly, but the link was removed. I don't know if it means anything, but I do wish these peripheral players would stay out of things. Just seems to muddy the waters and takes the focus away from finding Haleigh and turns it into a sensational tabloid type of coverage. JMO

[Rushbo]

The radio station does seem to have removed the link to the audio with Cobra, but the audio is still online if you go directly to the page it was on.

Not sure why they only removed the link to it, maybe because of the language, maybe because right now it's only hear say, or maybe Ron's lawyers have something to do with it.

hope Haleigh comes home soon.

where was the audio? i can't find it.

[Riverwalk!]

You know what? The lives of your children and grandchildren can turn on a dime. There are no guarantees in this life. So while you sit there and brag about your perfect family on a message board, just remember that the ones you trash are somebody's child and grandchild too and their lives, for better or worse, are what they are. They are no less human than you or I.

And you would not be in a looney bin if you had Crystal as a daughter. You would love her in spite of her shortcomings and it would break your heart to see some of the things posted about her.

You're always saying about Ron that we haven't walked in his shoes. Well, there's some shoes you haven't walked in either.

I just don't understand the psyche of someone, anyone, who would every day come here and trash the mother of a missing child.

:sad:

Hi my "old" friend. Let's hope that none of us take this case too "personally". Some of the women here have been through hell and back. God Bless them. Some of their daughters/sons have too.

Some posters have accused Ron of horrible crimes against his children/Crystal/Misty and the whole community by dealing drugs, etc and worse with NO proof, imo. Some posters don't like Crystal and the choices she made and that she's still making, imo. Everyone gets the opportunity to change. I hope they do all change.

I generally walk in shoes that are on my own feet in THIS case. It's not personal to me. It's not a woman "thing" that so many just can't let go of. I cannot identify with any person or family in THIS case other than I want Haleigh found. I don't "like" any of the characters in THIS case.

All I have been doing is snooping in stranger's lives. Not something I am proud but I thank G_D that I am not related to any of these people.
MOO and PEACE

[FrankieBones1]

http://www.dunnscreekmedia.com/

As anyone seen this vigil before? Its quite long, but quite interesting to see Ron and Crystal sitting beside each other. Look at Crystal with Junior, how could anyone deny she is devasted and loves Junior with all her heart. This is one night when I think there was solidarty between Ron and Crystal.


mooI remember when they were there for each other just after Haleigh went missing. Then 'Geraldo' happened.

[CANDYKISSES]

You know what? The lives of your children and grandchildren can turn on a dime. There are no guarantees in this life. So while you sit there and brag about your perfect family on a message board, just remember that the ones you trash are somebody's child and grandchild too and their lives, for better or worse, are what they are. They are no less human than you or I.

And you would not be in a looney bin if you had Crystal as a daughter. You would love her in spite of her shortcomings and it would break your heart to see some of the things posted about her.

You're always saying about Ron that we haven't walked in his shoes. Well, there's some shoes you haven't walked in either.

I just don't understand the psyche of someone, anyone, who would every day come here and trash the mother of a missing child.

:sad:




The mother made a choice to put herself before her children and went on to start over IMO.

Stating what is on the court record and trashing a mother of a missing child is a bit over the top.

Was it you critiquing the JEANS someone involved in this case was wearing?

Exactly where is the line drawn for who and what is exempt from discussion?

The excitement that was breeding here yesterday about the idea of Cobra not having to go by the book was enough to tell me that there is a percentage of WOMEN who will support a WOMAN no matter what and disregard A COURT RECORD IMO. We are talking about a woman who comes without one ounce of credibility IMO, yet has falsely reported a FELONY, failed to live up to her responsibilities with two children she had before starting her new family, and goes back and forth on her description of the father of the first two.

While I feel for her, it's because I think if not now, some day she is going to look at this and realize she made some very poor choices and wish she had considered them first IMOO.:crying:

I will not do that and will offer commentary on both sides here. Haleigh and Junior got a raw deal in the line of parenting on both sides, but it seems there was one parent who actually WANTED THEM and WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM and the judge noticed it too IMO.

Bring Haleigh home!:rose:

[Riverwalk!]

CW answered my question and said not to discuss personal child support issues and how old we were when we got married. The issues of Crystal's child support and Misty's age are pertinent to this case.

Hope you're having a good day Swar. I guess we won't hear any news until Monday, if then. I'm getting very depressed about this case. :sad:

correct

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12909491#post12909491

[Rushbo]

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/SNWCOB1cobra.mp3


hope it's OK to post the link here.

Thank you, Trinity.

[CANDYKISSES]

That's right she did. Crystal's new attny. made it a point to say the lawyer failed Crystal. Another person to blame for Crystal's shortcomings imo.

There is always someone else to blame imoo.:unsure:

[?noanswer]

LOL, My day is so so. Market shopping is not my cup of tea.

I hope there is news about Haleigh next week. I wish just one more time they would conduct another ground search.

moo

Maybe a lot of utility crews will be out and find something. If someone local did something to her, then the disposal would be close by. Course if it was a body of water, may never be found. One would think that buzzards would have found a carcass, if there was one. But if she had been placed in a bag I guess not. It is just so unreal that anyone could dispose of another human so that it can't be found. But it is done, both adult and children. Please let her be found. JMO

[Rushbo]

I'm not going to discuss Crystal Cummings *do*. I'm just not, I'm saying it ten times.:biggrin:

I will never forget that.

[teresa]

LOL, My day is so so. Market shopping is not my cup of tea.

I hope there is news about Haleigh next week. I wish just one more time they would conduct another ground search.

moo

Amen to that. I cannot understand what the circumstances were to call off the organized searches so quickly. "She's not here". How do they know that? I've read that locals are still searching but I can't think of a good excuse for why LE isn't or at least didn't search longer.

[MoonFlwr]

Maybe a lot of utility crews will be out and find something. If someone local did something to her, then the disposal would be close by. Course if it was a body of water, may never be found. One would think that buzzards would have found a carcass, if there was one. But if she had been placed in a bag I guess not. It is just so unreal that anyone could dispose of another human so that it can't be found. But it is done, both adult and children. Please let her be found. JMO

Off topic...sorry! But...talking about disposing of a human being without a trace..look up the life of Richard Kuklinksi (or The Ice Man) if you haven't before...and see how effectively he did it.

He had no training..he just thought it through before he did anything.

[Riverwalk!]

IMO I have noticed a lack of information on TN!!
Is Neves her maiden name? Is/was she married? If so who was she married to? :confused: Can anyone give info on Teresa? Since each person is important in solving this case and bringing Haleigh home I think we need more info...the net seems to be pretty silent on her,hmmm:sneaky:
Any ideas out there?

I have been looking about Teresa's family. I "think" her maiden name is Sykes. Neves is her married # 2 husband. Previously she was married to Jack Lester Cummings. The Putnam county website is GREAT in some respects but marriage records, etc. is lacking, imo. The entire state of Florida (online search engine) is worse. imo. I'm still looking. PROMISE.

Here's the whole state online search engine (so lacking, imo)

https://www.myfloridacounty.com/serv/MyFloridaCounty/ORI/Order?thisPage=MyFloridaCounty.ORI.Order.state.Sta rt

Putnam County search engine:

http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/clkmain.asp
Click the ONLINE search on the left hand side of the page. Click that you agree to the disclaimer and then go to CIVIL or CRIMINAL.

Baker county (this is where Marie (husband Bruce A) Griffis, Chad Griffis (Crystal's fiance) and Crystal live along with some relatives.

you have 2 and use both, imo
http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/search.aspx
http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/

ON THAT note:
http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/showdetails.aspx?id=210959&rn=18&pi=1&ref=search (click the box next to the docu)
This is the dismal of the Temporary injunction for protection of domestic violence (March 23, 2006)
"The evidence presented is insufficient .........." etc.

[AlohaRainbow]

I really would like to hear Ron say those things instead of just having it be "hearsay". I do tend to believe Cobra though since last week it seemed odd when Ron & his mother were on Nancy's show that Misty wasn't seated there with them. :shrug: MOO
i've been tryong to catch up this weekend, but i know i won't be able to read every post. can someone tell me what it was that ron said (according to cobra) ???

tia to anyone can help me out :)

[FrankieBones1]

Except moonie, if something dreadful happened to Haleigh, I think it was a spur of the moment act. No preplanning. How does one, in the heat of the moment so effectively dispose of someone without one little clue or trace

Geraldo is going to comment on Haleigh sometime during his program tonight. Crystal will appear live.

moo

eta.. my keys are sticking and sometimes the vowels are omitted.
Seems that the Haleigh case will be discussed near the end of the program tonight.

I've been listening to Willie Staubs from a link up thread. What do you think of this guy? Is he credible? He sure said some off the wall stuff about Ronald and Misty.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Good evening (:

Any unanswered questions get answers today by chance?

(Catching up)

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA, and believe that Crystal exhibited signs of postpartum depression after the birth of Ron Jr. I doubt she was ever diagnosed or treated.

:sad:

OMG, now you're diagnosing to give her credibility. I guess it's pointless to mention your redundant posts about shoes when you've gone this far IMO. :w00t:

How far do your shoes travel to enable a stranger? :wink: jmooc

[FrankieBones1]

i've been tryong to catch up this weekend, but i know i won't be able to read every post. can someone tell me what it was that ron said (according to cobra) ???

tia to anyone can help me out :)He said that Ron told him that he wanted to put a pistol in Misty's mouth and ......

It was not very nice.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Except moonie, if something dreadful happened to Haleigh, I think it was a spur of the moment act. No preplanning. How does one, in the heat of the moment so effectively dispose of someone without one little clue or trace

Geraldo is going to comment on Haleigh sometime during his program tonight. Crystal will appear live.

moo

eta.. my keys are sticking and sometimes the vowels are omitted.I have thought about that before ... just the simple act of driving to work and seeing a semi -- how easy to stow a child and be long gone in one of those

Or i see garbage bags off the side of the road and think how easy there could be a body there unnoticed until a clean up is done (rural area)

Trunks of cars, ...

Many ways with means and motive I suppose

[MoonFlwr]

Except moonie, if something dreadful happened to Haleigh, I think it was a spur of the moment act. No preplanning. How does one, in the heat of the moment so effectively dispose of someone without one little clue or trace

Geraldo is going to comment on Haleigh sometime during his program tonight. Crystal will appear live.

moo

eta.. my keys are sticking and sometimes the vowels are omitted.

I agree...if it was accidental, of course..no time to plan it. But, if not accidental...it's a different story.

[FrankieBones1]

Hi Frankie my friend. Looks like this is the first time you and I are on the opposite sides of the fence. I won;t hold it against you. :loveeyes:

If Cobra can shake something loose, I'm all for it. This case is ready to tank. The only thing LE seems to have is that door which will yeild nada, as IMO, its been compromised.

Good to share space with you.
Like the post after this one says, .....Hope he got it on tape. What on earth is a Meemaw and sweet tea?

Nancy is replaying Ron's interview right now.

[TaraCrazyHair]

He said that Ron told him that he wanted to put a pistol in Misty's mouth and ......

It was not very nice.


Interesting way to speak of your new bride of barely a week

[TaraCrazyHair]

Like the post after this one says, .....Hope he got it on tape. What on earth is a Meemaw and sweet tea?

Nancy is replaying Ron's interview right now.


Sweet tea is tea sweetened (sickenly sweet) after the brewing process and before the chilling process

Huge down south

Meemaw's I assume is a diner of sorts?

[FrankieBones1]

Interesting way to speak of your new bride of barely a week
Yes, if true, it's disgusting.

I guess my life is so far removed from that type of lifestyle that it's hard for me to comprehend any of this. The park, the SO's, the language, the lack of proper English, the drugs, booze.....discipline....

The little children are the biggest losers in all of this. There's got to be a better life for them.

[AlohaRainbow]

He said that Ron told him that he wanted to put a pistol in Misty's mouth and ......

It was not very nice.

oh!
thanks :-)

[catpaws]

What the latest is on the SO that left his mom's house around Super Bowl time? Can't remember his name or I'd do a search. He still bothers me, especially if he still isn't accounted for.

I'm also conerned about the fact that they had dogs that first night that followed Haleigh's scent down to the river. Did someone have a boat waiting for her???

Could Haleigh possibly have been sleepwalking and gone into the river? One of my children had spells of that around age 5 or 6. It was always around a stressful period, though a happy one. We had to resort to putting bells on his door as it was very close to our door and I'm a very light sleeper. But then, would she have managed to block the door open?

The "chair" found in the woods bothers me, too.

Ther's just so much that bothers me about all of this and that's not even getting into the family!

MOO

[CANDYKISSES]

I think she is in the river or a lake. I don't see a happy ending to this case at all.

No Frankie, I don't either. I continue to pray for a miracle and that Haleigh is returned unharmed. We have seen it happen a few times from ES to BO/SH, but they had stable loving homes to come back to IMO.

This would start out as a happy homecoming and turn into a blood bath IMO whether she is found unharmed or not alive. :crying:

[FrankieBones1]

u THINK THAT THE PARENTS ARE INVOLEGED??? HELP ME OUT HERE.
btw iF YOU DO, U R CLULESS, JMOChange the attitude or you will be reported.

[FoxySly]

The mother made a choice to put herself before her children and went on to start over IMO.

Stating what is on the court record and trashing a mother of a missing child is a bit over the top.

Was it you critiquing the JEANS someone involved in this case was wearing?

Exactly where is the line drawn for who and what is exempt from discussion?

The excitement that was breeding here yesterday about the idea of Cobra not having to go by the book was enough to tell me that there is a percentage of WOMEN who will support a WOMAN no matter what and disregard A COURT RECORD IMO. We are talking about a woman who comes without one ounce of credibility IMO, yet has falsely reported a FELONY, failed to live up to her responsibilities with two children she had before starting her new family, and goes back and forth on her description of the father of the first two.

While I feel for her, it's because I think if not now, some day she is going to look at this and realize she made some very poor choices and wish she had considered them first IMOO.:crying:

I will not do that and will offer commentary on both sides here. Haleigh and Junior got a raw deal in the line of parenting on both sides, but it seems there was one parent who actually WANTED THEM and WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM and the judge noticed it too IMO.

Bring Haleigh home!:rose:


Excellent post Candy!

Many do in fact know what they would do & many had a lot less opportunity, family, welfare, & such than crystal. I know back in my day there were no shelters to turn to. I am glad that has changed.

I know for a fact what I did for my Son & Baby Brother (8 years my junior).
I know for a fact what my Son has done & is still doing.
I know for a fact what my Baby Brother did years later when he put HIS name down on the birth certificate for twins that he KNEW were not his but would need a DAD & paid $800. a month in CS up until he was killed by a (3rd X convicted) drunk driver April 1, 2000.

Many of us know because we were once in even much worse circumstances without the resources there are now yet chose our Children over everything including even their own life, it's a fact many who tried have died trying.

I remember vividly over 3 decades ago my BB, my infant Son in my arms cuddled up with quilts over us sitting on the floor in a room very scared, very cold & very hungry. The only light was a candle burning on a sparklets water wooden crate (that for some reason I still have to this day) & my BB asking what do we do now. I told him that for now we were safe & still together & that we just keep trying or die trying.
Than we would talk of our dreams of what ours lives will be like some day. Sometimes we lived day to day other times second to second but we kept trying, never did we give up trying, we kept dreaming & most important we worked very hard towards our goal. We broke the cycle on our lines. We made our dream of no to abuse come true.

Many of us indeed KNOW what choices we would make because we made those choices.

I can't help but ponder on the sheriff early on in this case saying there had been over 500 reports made by angry bitter women trying to get their ex's in trouble. How sad it that? That there are that many bitter women trying/wanting to use a precious 5 year old missing girl's case as revenge.

Wonder if they're bitter because they themselves chose to do the wrong thing & looking for someone to blame it on. That's a whole lot of bitter women.

Sly

~

[Riverwalk!]

LOL no Meemaw is not dinner, Meemaw is a term for a grandmother

According to "Cobra" it's a restaurant.

http://www.superpages.com/bp/Satsuma-FL/Memas-Family-Restaurant-L0503024537.htm

lol and JMO.

[TaraCrazyHair]

LOL no Meemaw is not dinner, Meemaw is a term for a grandmother

So Ron and Cobra were his grandmothers in this interview?

I thought it was a diner



:wub:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Never nmind

HEY YOU IT IS ME .,
CAN U STOP IT???????????????


Are you okay?

:confused:

[playmateII]

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/SNWCOB1cobra.mp3


hope it's OK to post the link here.

enlighting I have said from day one Misty was not at home. She only got there right before Ron came home. She needs to be jailed for child endangerment maybe than she will talk JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

What the latest is on the SO that left his mom's house around Super Bowl time? Can't remember his name or I'd do a search. He still bothers me, especially if he still isn't accounted for.

I'm also conerned about the fact that they had dogs that first night that followed Haleigh's scent down to the river. Did someone have a boat waiting for her???

Could Haleigh possibly have been sleepwalking and gone into the river? One of my children had spells of that around age 5 or 6. It was always around a stressful period, though a happy one. We had to resort to putting bells on his door as it was very close to our door and I'm a very light sleeper. But then, would she have managed to block the door open?

The "chair" found in the woods bothers me, too.

Ther's just so much that bothers me about all of this and that's not even getting into the family!

MOO

Chair found in the woods?

Never heard of that one ...

?

I don't think she was sleepingwalking and bricked two doors though

Interesting term Misty used ... "bricked"

(That is the term I use when I try to fancy up my cell phone and damage it beyond repair)

[Mimi428]

Meemaw's I assume is a diner of sorts?


Meemaw is a name for grandmother. I believe Cobra was speaking of Ron's grandmother Sykes.

Of course some restaurants, cafes & diners have names like "Mama's House" or such, but I do not believe the conversation Cobra the PI said he had with Ron would be of the sort that would take place in front of strangers. They would have no way to know who might be overhearing what was said.

JMO

[Riverwalk!]

What the latest is on the SO that left his mom's house around Super Bowl time? Can't remember his name or I'd do a search. He still bothers me, especially if he still isn't accounted for.

I'm also conerned about the fact that they had dogs that first night that followed Haleigh's scent down to the river. Did someone have a boat waiting for her???

Could Haleigh possibly have been sleepwalking and gone into the river? One of my children had spells of that around age 5 or 6. It was always around a stressful period, though a happy one. We had to resort to putting bells on his door as it was very close to our door and I'm a very light sleeper. But then, would she have managed to block the door open?

The "chair" found in the woods bothers me, too.

Ther's just so much that bothers me about all of this and that's not even getting into the family!

MOO

Chad Reynolds is his name. He's never been located.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Meemaw is a name for grandmother. I believe Cobra was speaking of Ron's grandmother Sykes.

Of course some restaurants, cafes & diners have names like "Mama's House" or such, but I do not believe the conversation Cobra the PI said he had with Ron would be of the sort that would take place in front of strangers. They would have no way to know who might be overhearing what was said.

JMO


There is a place called MeeMaw's Kitchen Table in Satsuma

Just Googled

(:

[playmateII]

I think she is in the river or a lake. I don't see a happy ending to this case at all.


I think your right and by now eaten by crocks. JMO

[MrLucky917B]

Crystal on GR

[MrLucky917B]

Crystal's Mom says it was a set-up and Misty knows who did it

[Mimi428]

There is a place called MeeMaw's Kitchen Table in Satsuma

Just Googled

(:


Good work, thanks for the confirmation!

:seeya:

[FrankieBones1]

Crystal, her mom and lawyer join Geraldo from orlando.
Marie thinks it was a set up. Inside job.

She believes that Misty knows who snatched Haleigh.

Crystal said that Ron hit her when she was pregnant. She saw him hit Haleigh and Junior.

Kim, the lawyer, explains why the Judge gave custody to Ron.
She begins by saying that Crystal was controlled by Ron. He wouldn't let her get a driver's license. He gave her drugs.

He stole the children from her.

A defense attorney is a guest of Geraldo's. Her name is Julia and she will be speaking after the break for Ron.

[IlliniFan]

She said the other night that she had not seen Ron hit the kids because she took care of them, he didn't have anything to do with them...now she says she saw him hit them????

Was just about to post that, but I thought perhaps I'd misunderstood what she said initially...

[Mimi428]

Crystal's Mom says it was a set-up and Misty knows who did it

OMIGOSH! She thinks it was a set-up? I wonder what in the world she means by that, exactly.

Egads, what a horrid idea.

JMO

[Riverwalk!]

I can't give you a link as its from a private board and the poster didn't furnish a link.

Take it for what you will, but it might be a jumping off point for your research.

Theresa Sykes married Jack Cummings July 22, 1977 Putnam County

John Caetano Neves III, born in CA, Dob 6-35-62
Residence as of 8/2007
Hovey in the Hills, PA.


No other records for divorces or marriage record to Neves.
Hope this helps

moo

IF it's what I think you are saying (?) then I will leave it. JMO and I know you mean well and I hope you are well my "old" friend.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Crystal, her mom and lawyer join Geraldo from orlando.
Marie thinks it was a set up. Inside job.

She believes that Misty knows who snatched Haleigh.

Crystal said that Ron hit her when she was pregnant. She saw him hit Haleigh and Junior.

Kim, the lawyer, explains why the Judge gave custody to Ron.
She begins by saying that Crystal was controlled by Ron. He wouldn't let her get a driver's license. He gave her drugs.

He stole the children from her.

A defense attorney is a guest of Geraldo's. Her name is Julia and she will be speaking after the break for Ron.

She did say in the docs about the coke and meth if I recall right but did she tell the Judge then about the abuse?

No tv on here .. waiting for your updates!

[FrankieBones1]

Julia tells Crystal that her heart goes out to her but....
she asks her why she hasn't filed an emergency petition for custody. Kim answers her.

Julia thinks that Kim is out for publicity.

Kim should be getting an emergency petition if she thinks that Junior is in danger.

Kimberly Newsome Guilfoil thinks that Ron should be investigated and says that Crystal should get custody.

Kim said they went to the cops instead of DCF for a reason.

She says she cannot give details out to the media.

Geraldo speaks of another child that ron had. The mother is Amber and she is nineteen.


Geraldo, "She is middle aged compared to.....

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yes, if true, it's disgusting.

I guess my life is so far removed from that type of lifestyle that it's hard for me to comprehend any of this. The park, the SO's, the language, the lack of proper English, the drugs, booze.....discipline....

The little children are the biggest losers in all of this. There's got to be a better life for them.


I absolutely agree!

I often wonder if the lifestyles on the people involved are the reason the media has shied away from this particular case

The retired spokesman for LE even went back into retirement because there are simply no calls or interest

Very very very very VERY said for poor little Haleigh IMO

[MrLucky917B]

Remember that name folks...Amber Brooks...

Should what was said tonight be taken as a confirmation that RC has another child?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Julia tells Crystal that her heart goes out to her but....
she asks her why she hasn't filed an emergency petition for custody. Kim answers her.

Julia thinks that Kim is out for publicity.

Kim should be getting an emergency petition if she thinks that Junior is in danger.

Kimberly Newsome Guilfoil thinks that Ron should be investigated and says that Crystal should get custody.

Kim said they went to the cops instead of DCF for a reason.

She says she cannot give details out to the media.

Geraldo speaks of another child that ron had. The mother is Amber and she is nineteen.


Geraldo, "She is middle aged compared to.....

Geraldo is being snarky eh? lol

So Amber is real and the story is real

Interesting

I wonder if Misty was real on that myspace comment as well

[Riverwalk!]

Amber Brooks now is outed by Crystal on Cable. OMG.

So much for that ________

Record in Putnam County.

https://www.putnam-fl.com/secure/public_menu.php

out of here. Can't take the SLIME.

[playmateII]

Should what was said tonight be taken as a confirmation that RC has another child?

Ron admitted himself that may have another child and than there was the mysapce thing with misty. JMO

[catpaws]

Chair found in the woods?

Never heard of that one ...

?



Does anyone else remember the reference to a chair or stool found in the woods behind Ron's home, something made out of tree branches? I know I heard about it at the start of the case. The idea was that someone was sitting back there keeping an eye on the house.

MOO

[FrankieBones1]

Should what was said tonight be taken as a confirmation that RC has another child?
It is the same child that was discussed weeks ago. Amber's baby. I don't think that Ron has denied it.

[MrLucky917B]

Ron admitted himself that may have another child and I believe I seen this Amber in a very early interview. JMO

Did he admit it or say it was possible.

[FrankieBones1]

Does anyone else remember the reference to a chair or stool found in the woods behind Ron's home, something made out of tree branches? I know I heard about it at the start of the case. The idea was that someone was sitting back there keeping an eye on the house.

MOO
I remember it. Could be nothing. Could be a perv using it to spy on people or an SO spending time watching young girls.

[TaraCrazyHair]

It is the same child that was discussed weeks ago. Amber's baby. I don't think that Ron has denied it.


Ron said yeah .. it was possible

I think he meant yea there is

[FrankieBones1]

Not really. The girl herself could be saying that her child is Ron's but what if he/she isn't?

More mud slinging I see...GR...oh never mind. He knows what he is...
Didn't Misty babysit this child and this is how she met Ron?

[playmateII]

Did he admit it or say it was possible.
he said may have. I thought at the time he didn't completely come clean because of the hupla of the teen girls and possible child support he may have to pay JMO

[playmateII]

Didn't Misty babysit this child and this is how she met Ron?
yes and her comment on ambers myspace was I got your man now I going to get your kid

[MrLucky917B]

It is the same child that was discussed weeks ago. Amber's baby. I don't think that Ron has denied it.

Right Frankie, when GR asked him a couple of weeks ago he didn't deny it but also didn't admit it, kind of like a maybe.

[catpaws]

Chad Reynolds is his name. He's never been located.

Yes, that's him. He had connections to Putnam County or the crime took place there but he was living at his mother's a couple of counties away.

Thanks so much!

Wonder where he is and what he's been up to?

MOO

[Lynn Gweeny]

Does anyone else remember the reference to a chair or stool found in the woods behind Ron's home, something made out of tree branches? I know I heard about it at the start of the case. The idea was that someone was sitting back there keeping an eye on the house.

MOO

In related news, volunteers found one area of interest in the woods where someone had constructed a makeshift lean-to and furniture out of tree branches.

Photo of chair at link.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html?cid=6a00d8341bf67c53ef011168fe731397 0c

[TaraCrazyHair]

I saw where (you?) someone mentioned a chair a few posts back but that was the first I heard about it.


I found this ... with a picture

Take the source as you will I suppose


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4563.0

[MrLucky917B]

Yes, that's him. He had connections to Putnam County or the crime took place there but he was living at his mother's a couple of counties away.

Thanks so much!

Wonder where he is and what he's been up to?

MOO

The buzz on the street is that he is deceased...

[5boxersmom]

Amber Brooks now is outed by Crystal on Cable. OMG.

So much for that ________

Record in Putnam County.

https://www.putnam-fl.com/secure/public_menu.php

out of here. Can't take the SLIME.

Who has a record? Amber?

tia

[FrankieBones1]

Geraldo is being snarky eh? lol

So Amber is real and the story is real

Interesting

I wonder if Misty was real on that myspace comment as wellOkay, I'll bite. What's this about the Myspace comment?

[FrankieBones1]

In related news, volunteers found one area of interest in the woods where someone had constructed a makeshift lean-to and furniture out of tree branches.

Photo of chair at link.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html?cid=6a00d8341bf67c53ef011168fe731397 0c
You and your links are a sight for sore, tired eyes. Welcome back, Lynn! Does anything about this case make sense to you?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Okay, I'll bite. What's this about the Myspace comment?

A Misty commented in two different places on the myspace page that she took her man and will get her kid too
It was an older page that looked like it had not been finished but her comments came long after the page was first started

Very odd

[doctor_J]

I don't know how GR sleeps at night, trashing a father who just had his child kidnapped. I realize he has serious flaws but IMO and in the judge's opinion he is a fit father, at least more so than the bio-mom. I don't understand how Fow allow such biased "journalism".

I fear the board won't last the weekend with what I've read tonight. What's up with people?
I feel such grief for all the family that geniunely loved Hayleigh.

I don't think she could have opened the back door herself. It "sticks". Ron spoke of it I think, and NG's reporter demonstrated it. I lived in a shifting trailor in grad school and had a back door just like it. You not only needed a little upper body strength but you had to know just how to twist it.

Geraldo stacked the deck, three to one, against Ron tonight. It was wicked of him and makes me think even less of Crystal and Marie's character.

[teresa]

Does anyone else remember the reference to a chair or stool found in the woods behind Ron's home, something made out of tree branches? I know I heard about it at the start of the case. The idea was that someone was sitting back there keeping an eye on the house.

MOO

I think there may be a picture in the links section but I may be mixing up other sites I have visited. It looked to be fairly new...no rot at all.

About Chad Reynolds...he interests me a great deal. Did you know that he was listed as "Endangered" in the district he disappeared from and is now listed as "Absconded/Fugitive" in the district where Haleigh disappeared from?? He went to high school in Putnam Co, committed his crime in Putnam Co, was facing parole violation hearing that could result in life in prison, he spent a lot of his youth camping in the national park near Haleigh's home, and his grandparents still live there??

I find it very interesting re his status change on his wanted poster.

[VC2]

She said the other night that she had not seen Ron hit the kids because she took care of them, he didn't have anything to do with them...now she says she saw him hit them????

she is SUCH a liar. as bad as casey anthony. I was bowled over when i heard she lied to get someone in trouble for a felony! I used to think it was mostly her moms urging, but after that i think she just lies to make herself look good or get someone else in trouble all on her own

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

I have been wondering about something since yesterday...maybe one of ya'll can help me out. In the interview of Crystal when she has Jr with her talking about the black man in black clothes, squeaky shoes... I didn't hear her mention anything about a "jumping couch". Was this when she said it or some other time?


What comment about a jumping couch?

Intrigued!

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think there may be a picture in the links section but I may be mixing up other sites I have visited. It looked to be fairly new...no rot at all.

About Chad Reynolds...he interests me a great deal. Did you know that he was listed as "Endangered" in the district he disappeared from and is now listed as "Absconded/Fugitive" in the district where Haleigh disappeared from?? He went to high school in Putnam Co, committed his crime in Putnam Co, was facing parole violation hearing that could result in life in prison, he spent a lot of his youth camping in the national park near Haleigh's home, and his grandparents still live there??

I find it very interesting re his status change on his wanted poster.


The last i found on him was the FBI site and he was listed as endangered

Likely was killed IMO but no body found yet

[catpaws]

The buzz on the street is that he is deceased...

Well, that goes to show you I haven't been on the street of late. What does the street say he died of?

MOO

[teresa]

The buzz on the street is that he is deceased...

Not anymore MrLucky. Listed as Fugitive...see my post above. I know I keep bringing him up but nobody listens to me :)

[5boxersmom]

After reading all the posts I am so glad I did not watch GR tonight.

If it is proven that Ron did not abuse his kids or have anything to do with Haleigh missing do you think GR will apologize? :smile:

GR really should not have said that about Amber being middle age for Ron. How much younger is GR's fifth wife?

imo

[doctor_J]

A Misty commented in two different places on the myspace page that she took her man and will get her kid too
It was an older page that looked like it had not been finished but her comments came long after the page was first started

Very odd

I see this comment often by several posters but I don't understand why u think these were Misti's comments. When I clicked on the nic it went to a 19 y/o in Michigan(?) with 2 daughters.

[IlliniFan]

I have been wondering about something since yesterday...maybe one of ya'll can help me out. In the interview of Crystal when she has Jr with her talking about the black man in black clothes, squeaky shoes... I didn't hear her mention anything about a "jumping couch". Was this when she said it or some other time?

I believe it was on NG, recently. She and her attorney were talking to Nancy by phone.

Crystal was asked about the fact Ron didn't believe the black man dressed in black.

Crystal went on to say what jr had told her, then mentioned the couch part. It was hard to hear her.

However, several people, iirc searched the transcripts and did not find the "couch" comment.

edit to add: It might have been on JVM, but I think it was NG. Hopefully someone can confirm...

[FrankieBones1]

I don't know how GR sleeps at night, trashing a father who just had his child kidnapped. (((snipped here and there)))

Geraldo stacked the deck, three to one, against Ron tonight. It was wicked of him and makes me think even less of Crystal and Marie's character.Good post.
I'm off to bed. Can't imagine this forum getting worse!

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yikes! You mean Amber's man and Amber's child?



Misty babysat for Ron and Amber

Misty got Ron

But she did not get the baby ...

As far as I can tell, Amber removed herself far from the situation

Not even asking for support ... so in a sense that tells me she is a pretty smart gal!

But now -- her name is public and not just on In Sessions

Hope she can handle it ... she has asked for none of this!

[Lynn Gweeny]

You and your links are a sight for sore, tired eyes. Welcome back, Lynn! Does anything about this case make sense to you?

:seeya: Hi ya Frankie!

I've scratched my head so much about this whole case that I feel a bald spot coming on. LOL. Good to see you! :wub:

[doctor_J]

Not anymore MrLucky. Listed as Fugitive...see my post above. I know I keep bringing him up but nobody listens to me :)

I'll worry about this perv until they announce they have apprehended him or found his body. But--there's just no more info out there.

[doctor_J]

Not much different than him saying the other day that Ron was definitely stones and tonight calling referring to him as Stone Pony...anything for ratings...

Funny he hasn't shown the pics of the "Mary Jane" party Crystal had on her 23rd birthday.

[teresa]

I don't know how GR sleeps at night, trashing a father who just had his child kidnapped. I realize he has serious flaws but IMO and in the judge's opinion he is a fit father, at least more so than the bio-mom. I don't understand how Fow allow such biased "journalism".

I fear the board won't last the weekend with what I've read tonight. What's up with people?
I feel such grief for all the family that geniunely loved Hayleigh.

I don't think she could have opened the back door herself. It "sticks". Ron spoke of it I think, and NG's reporter demonstrated it. I lived in a shifting trailor in grad school and had a back door just like it. You not only needed a little upper body strength but you had to know just how to twist it.

Geraldo stacked the deck, three to one, against Ron tonight. It was wicked of him and makes me think even less of Crystal and Marie's character.

3 to 1? Don't forget Geraldo himself and Kimberly. I would sue him to the ends of the earth. I don't know if having a child kidnapped puts you in the public eye where any slam is ok, but I'd be finding out.

He disgusts me. Thoroughly. And now another young girl with a crappy background is being brought into it.

[Riverwalk!]

I was hoping you would take this and run with it with your fabulous research talents. Its not much, but I thought it might seguay into something you could expand. I'm curious about Ron's childhood. Was his Dad an influence in his life, etc.

moo

Ron's bio-dad is Jack Lester Cummings and lives close in the same county. He is NOT a great guy, imo, but NONE of these people are fine/upstanding ciitzens, IMO and from my belief or morals or background or family and etc. Without a link or some PROOF then no thank you. I do great research, but I need something TRUE to start with. It's my background in chemistry to start with something true and go from there. Old school.

AND just now Crystal outed another woman/innocent child on Cable TV and I will not blame it on GR. Crystal did it. I'm just sick about this. If Amber wants to testify in court or to DCF then so be it. I would hot in hades before I would OUT someone on TV. I could never save my butt and sell someone down the river. I guess I am odd and my parents were odd too. (RIP Margie and Jack ... my beloved parents).

I want Haleigh found, but at this rate it is nothing but slime and throwing folks under a bus. I truly hate that and folks are choosing "sides" and some have forgotten a little, precious baby girl named Haleigh. I have spent too many years searching with TES (founded in the GREAT state of Texas) and other groups to get into a pizzing match about which side is better or has all the answers. I have no answers. I just have questions.

I guess someone's side will win in this "contest" so they can be right. Outta here and PEACE folks. Bye and I won't let the door hit my BEhind. lol.

[IlliniFan]

Are you serious? I understand how some things get misconstrued but if she didn't say it where in the world did it come from??? LOL


To be honest, I thought I heard Crystal say something about a couch. I was reluctant to post it, because I wasn't sure I heard it correctly. Others heard the comment and posted it...As I said though, it wasn't in the transcripts, iirc?

[5boxersmom]

So now Crystal is saying she saw Ron hit the kids. Her stories change as much as Casey Anthony's do. And her mom only gets on tv to bash Ron. How is any of this helping Haleigh?

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

I see this comment often by several posters but I don't understand why u think these were Misti's comments. When I clicked on the nic it went to a 19 y/o in Michigan(?) with 2 daughters.



Oh no .. it was definitely Misty or somebody trying to be her

Age and area were correct


BUT -- I quit reading any of the myspace pages connected to this case because the pages loaded odd and then i got a weird virus/trojan thing

I would go from one to the next and the next and it was a mess

But before it changed -- it was correct info

Same as the night Theresa (or Marie .. I forget) suddenly appeared online on Myspace regarding the help for Crystal and Cobra

All comments suddenly vanished

Oddest damn thing and not a safe linkage to go to

IMO


And I have myspaced for years

[playmateII]

I don't know how GR sleeps at night, trashing a father who just had his child kidnapped. I realize he has serious flaws but IMO and in the judge's opinion he is a fit father, at least more so than the bio-mom. I don't understand how Fow allow such biased "journalism".

I fear the board won't last the weekend with what I've read tonight. What's up with people?
I feel such grief for all the family that geniunely loved Hayleigh.

I don't think she could have opened the back door herself. It "sticks". Ron spoke of it I think, and NG's reporter demonstrated it. I lived in a shifting trailor in grad school and had a back door just like it. You not only needed a little upper body strength but you had to know just how to twist it.

Geraldo stacked the deck, three to one, against Ron tonight. It was wicked of him and makes me think even less of Crystal and Marie's character.

ah just think of it as balance since NG is so pro Ron . JMO

Geraldo doesn't have much use for men that date teenagers JMO

[doctor_J]

When is Ron's birthday? Anyone know. I wondering how many months he had been "illegally" dating a 17 y/o. Could not have been long. Maybe he should have put her on the street when he turned 25.

[odyssey]

Sweet tea is tea sweetened (sickenly sweet) after the brewing process and before the chilling process

Huge down south

Meemaw's I assume is a diner of sorts?

Meemaw is his grandmother

and sweet tea is just iced tea that has been sweetened, as opposed to not sweetened.

[teresa]

The last i found on him was the FBI site and he was listed as endangered

Likely was killed IMO but no body found yet

Yes, I've seen you say that but his status has been updated.

[odyssey]

ah just think of it as balance since NG is so pro Ron . JMO

Geraldo doesn't have much use for men that date teenagers JMO

Do you happen to know about Geraldo's relationships? I'd probably look into them before stating what he does or does not like.

My personal opinion is he just likes sensationalism .. and i base that on years of observation.

jmoo

[playmateII]

When is Ron's birthday? Anyone know. I wondering how many months he had been "illegally" dating a 17 y/o. Could not have been long. Maybe he should have put her on the street when he turned 25.


25? once he reached 21 he was messing with a felony IMO

[teresa]

Misty babysat for Ron and Amber

Misty got Ron

But she did not get the baby ...

As far as I can tell, Amber removed herself far from the situation

Not even asking for support ... so in a sense that tells me she is a pretty smart gal!

But now -- her name is public and not just on In Sessions

Hope she can handle it ... she has asked for none of this!

Looking at her record in January, I'm sure she would have preferred that they left her name out of it. This is sad.

[playmateII]

Do you happen to know about Geraldo's relationships? I'd probably look into them before stating what he does or does not like.

My personal opinion is he just likes sensationalism .. and i base that on years of observation.

jmoo Geraldos relationships all were of legal age of consent and I think the drugs plays a role with his opinion too JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

To be honest, I thought I heard Crystal say something about a couch. I was reluctant to post it, because I wasn't sure I heard it correctly. Others heard the comment and posted it...As I said though, it wasn't in the transcripts, iirc?


Is there a way to find out?


A couch bouncing ... (bumping uglies) squeaky shoes (not shoes maybe but springs?) man in black (black man)

Ron admitting he knew Misty was seeing this Greg .. an black man

Is it possible?

Maybe that 4 year old little mind really did hear/see something and described it the best he could

:confused:


Ron saying Crystal made it up -- Crystal adamant Jr told her this ..

I hope LE has located this "Greg" and asked him all about it

[Lynn Gweeny]

To be honest, I thought I heard Crystal say something about a couch. I was reluctant to post it, because I wasn't sure I heard it correctly. Others heard the comment and posted it...As I said though, it wasn't in the transcripts, iirc?


There was discussion on this board as well as others during the Jane Velez Mitchell show of March 17h. Here's the discussion at another Web Site:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81554&highlight=bouncing+couch

[odyssey]

I believe it was on NG, recently. She and her attorney were talking to Nancy by phone.

Crystal was asked about the fact Ron didn't believe the black man dressed in black.

Crystal went on to say what jr had told her, then mentioned the couch part. It was hard to hear her.

However, several people, iirc searched the transcripts and did not find the "couch" comment.

edit to add: It might have been on JVM, but I think it was NG. Hopefully someone can confirm...


It was Jane on JVM but was not in the transcripts

[teresa]

Ron's bio-dad is Jack Lester Cummings and lives close in the same county. He is NOT a great guy, imo, but NONE of these people are fine/upstanding ciitzens, IMO and from my belief or morals or background or family and etc. Without a link or some PROOF then no thank you. I do great research, but I need something TRUE to start with. It's my background in chemistry to start with something true and go from there. Old school.

AND just now Crystal outed another woman/innocent child on Cable TV and I will not blame it on GR. Crystal did it. I'm just sick about this. If Amber wants to testify in court or to DCF then so be it. I would hot in hades before I would OUT someone on TV. I could never save my butt and sell someone down the river. I guess I am odd and my parents were odd too. (RIP Margie and Jack ... my beloved parents).

I want Haleigh found, but at this rate it is nothing but slime and throwing folks under a bus. I truly hate that and folks are choosing "sides" and some have forgotten a little, precious baby girl named Haleigh. I have spent too many years searching with TES (founded in the GREAT state of Texas) and other groups to get into a pizzing match about which side is better or has all the answers. I have no answers. I just have questions.

I guess someone's side will win in this "contest" so they can be right. Outta here and PEACE folks. Bye and I won't let the door hit my BEhind. lol.

Riverwalk, please don't leave. I'm a fact checker also and I appreciate what you do.

[doctor_J]

ah just think of it as balance since NG is so pro Ron . JMO

Geraldo doesn't have much use for men that date teenagers JMO

I can agree to a point. But she had Marie and Crystal on before and did not say a degrading word or bring up any of her past. Even let her get away with the "wrong address" excuse. Only when Crystal and her media grabbing attorney started really trashing Ron, the custodial parent of a missing child, a victim , that she questioned the credibility of the "abuse" pics and her loss of custody.

[IlliniFan]

There was discussion on this board as well as others during the Jane Velez Mitchell show of March 17h. Here's the discussion at another Web Site:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81554&highlight=bouncing+couch

I'll check it out...so it was JVM...sorry for the mix up....
thanks

[teresa]

So now Crystal is saying she saw Ron hit the kids. Her stories change as much as Casey Anthony's do. And her mom only gets on tv to bash Ron. How is any of this helping Haleigh?

imo

Those videos will hurt her in court. I'm shocked her attorney is this stupid.

[odyssey]

According to "Cobra" it's a restaurant.

http://www.superpages.com/bp/Satsuma-FL/Memas-Family-Restaurant-L0503024537.htm

lol and JMO.


for real? well shoot here i was thinkin' they were sittin at meemaw's kitchen table talkin'

sorry .. my son calls my mom meemaw

[playmateII]

I think Ron turned 25 in Dec. IIRC I think someone posted something about it being legal for a 24 yr old or younger to date a 16 yr old...something like that. I think it was actually illegal for Ron to be with her for the two months between their birthdays as Misty's is in Feb.

Not saying I approve or agree with it in any way. Just putting the info out there.
IIRC and JMO

again after he turned 21 and messed with anyone under 18 it was a felony. also after he turned 18 and messed with any one 16 or younger its a felony

[playmateII]

Geraldo takes drugs? nice try you know I was speaking of Rons drug record

[MrLucky917B]

Well, that goes to show you I haven't been on the street of late. What does the street say he died of?

MOO

unnatural causes

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think Ron turned 25 in Dec. IIRC I think someone posted something about it being legal for a 24 yr old or younger to date a 16 yr old...something like that. I think it was actually illegal for Ron to be with her for the two months between their birthdays as Misty's is in Feb.

Not saying I approve or agree with it in any way. Just putting the info out there.
IIRC and JMO

In Florida, by law, Ron violated the law until March 12th when he married Misty


Researched and confirmed

(:

FYI

[teresa]

I think it's at least possible Ron hit Haleigh and she died without him meaning death for her.

According to DOJ web site a whopping 91.5% of maltreatment of children is by a biological parent.

It's possible. I can't believe how many don't consider that possibility and how many speak of the intruder theory as if it's real. FBI has said there's no evidence any abductor was in or around the house or anywhere on the property.

A kidnapper...because bio-parent said...

Yet they classify it as an abduction.

We can call the father a murderer but we can't discuss that Crystal was not a perfect mother. Are these the rules?

[playmateII]

unnatural causes
was it a gun to the mouth I hear there is a rageaholic running loose in the area

[Money Girl]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3

[TaraCrazyHair]

I don't believe Ron did it because LE has said that his timeline for work checks out. Haleigh was seen at 7 PM while Ron was at work. She was gone when he returned a little after 3 AM.


Keep in mind that all LE will say is they are satisfied with his account of the time

Not that can clear him as a suspect in other words

Until LE clears Ron, either can I



(shrug)

[doctor_J]

25? once he reached 21 he was messing with a felony IMO

I thought the Fl. law posted here stated 16 or 17 and a 25 y/o. was the cut-off point for legality.

[teresa]

I didn't see anything for January. Do you have a link, please.

I used Riverwalk's and put her name in the criminal selection. Now I feel incredibly dirty doing that. I feel sorry for her...if she wanted this publicity, she could have had it on her own, you know?

[MrLucky917B]

Meemaw is his grandmother

and sweet tea is just iced tea that has been sweetened, as opposed to not sweetened.

Meemaw's is a diner in Satsuma...pretty good home cookin there

[TaraCrazyHair]

Suggesting Crystal is JUST trying to grab attention is preposterous. The kid went missing on Ron's watch. Nifty way to attempt to throw suspicion away from him. Something he's done from the start.

It might have been a stranger kidnapping but I'd have to see evidence to support that theory. There is none.


I think enough time has passed and since Ron decided it was ok to get married, Crystal decided it was time to start letting some truth out

While most of us think all of it is improper .. we are not them

I say kudos to Crystal to take the kid gloves off, let the truth be known and Ron should do the same

FIND THIS CHILD and be done with it .. no matter whose skeletons get dragged out the closet

[MoonFlwr]

I think enough time has passed and since Ron decided it was ok to get married, Crystal decided it was time to start letting some truth out

While most of us think all of it is improper .. we are not them

I say kudos to Crystal to take the kid gloves off, let the truth be known and Ron should do the same

FIND THIS CHILD and be done with it .. no matter whose skeletons get dragged out the closet

I agree! As long as all that is spoken is the truth!

[MrLucky917B]

Amber's myspace...wow! Look at the comment section...

It has not been logged into since last year, I don't think she ever saw the message if she ever used the account.

JMO

[odyssey]

Did he admit it or say it was possible.

When asked if he had another child, Ron responded "Possibly"

[teresa]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3

I guess he isn't so pure after all, huh? An anonymous donor is paying him and he will stay until his money runs out. Nice of you Cobra.

[Lynn Gweeny]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3

He says he will stay in Satsuma until his money runs out.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3

Previously ....

Cobra says he's investigating the case free of charge. And he says he will stay in Putnam County until he's confident the case is closed.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/P-I-Searches-for-Haleigh/rwX4oL0NrE6kKhoe2vdr-g.cspx

JMO, hopefully for Haleigh's sake, the case is closed BEFORE the money runs out if Cobra continues on this case!!

[TaraCrazyHair]

I used Riverwalk's and put her name in the criminal selection. Now I feel incredibly dirty doing that. I feel sorry for her...if she wanted this publicity, she could have had it on her own, you know?


I can't even look

Amber is a nothing in this case until something shows otherwise so I will just let her be

I hope the media does the same

[odyssey]

Does anyone else remember the reference to a chair or stool found in the woods behind Ron's home, something made out of tree branches? I know I heard about it at the start of the case. The idea was that someone was sitting back there keeping an eye on the house.

MOO

I know the chair you are talking about about .. it was made from tree limbs and had some sort of webbing or lashing wrapped around the back of it. I have it somewhere and there is also a pic of it on one of the scare monkey threads.

jmoo

[katfish]

I don't know how GR sleeps at night, trashing a father who just had his child kidnapped. I realize he has serious flaws but IMO and in the judge's opinion he is a fit father, at least more so than the bio-mom. I don't understand how Fow allow such biased "journalism".

I fear the board won't last the weekend with what I've read tonight. What's up with people?
I feel such grief for all the family that geniunely loved Hayleigh.

I don't think she could have opened the back door herself. It "sticks". Ron spoke of it I think, and NG's reporter demonstrated it. I lived in a shifting trailor in grad school and had a back door just like it. You not only needed a little upper body strength but you had to know just how to twist it.

Geraldo stacked the deck, three to one, against Ron tonight. It was wicked of him and makes me think even less of Crystal and Marie's character.

Hey Dr. J,
good to see a familiar name. I saw a lot of hits on my blog from here so came to see what's going on. I hope the chatter tonight isn't the norm for this board.

I have no intention of trashing either of Haleigh's parents, however there are a few points that seem consistent here. Ron does have a temper and may have been abusive to Crystal. That in no way means that he has abused his children. Whatever his faults he is working and supporting his children. From the many pictures of him with Haleigh I see sign of nothing but a close relationship. Crystal has said so herself...she couldn't keep the kids from him, they are his "heart" were her words.
Crystal seems to love her children and may have matured some since she and Ron split up. Crystal however seems to be a stranger to the truth. She has made a LOT of conflicting statements. If her interest is the welfare of Junior, she needs to go about this in a much different way. Geraldo is not the route!
Don't mean to step on anyones toes here. This story is frustrating everyone because there are no answers.
This story seems to be shaping up to be a tale of people living on the edge of society, and the consequences for the vulnerable children in their midst. Unfortunately this is the circumstances that many children are raised today.

[Grandview]

unnatural causes

I just looked and he's listed as absconded (can't spell)

Oh. I think this is the guy?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do;jsessionid=JFvPF51xNw4h226qDn jGph6RgpHfNLz65JQR3TKjJzwnkjZJBR7t!-1916374907

I hoope the link works? You think he's dead? Or heard he's dead.

[teresa]

I think enough time has passed and since Ron decided it was ok to get married, Crystal decided it was time to start letting some truth out

While most of us think all of it is improper .. we are not them

I say kudos to Crystal to take the kid gloves off, let the truth be known and Ron should do the same

FIND THIS CHILD and be done with it .. no matter whose skeletons get dragged out the closet

What do you think about her saying on NG this week that she did not see Ron abuse his kids. Nancy asked, are you sure? She said yes. Tonight she says the opposite.

[MrLucky917B]

was it a gun to the mouth I hear there is a rageaholic running loose in the area

They did find a girl that was missing for a month on wednesday, her x-husband did it.

[TaraCrazyHair]

He says he will stay in Satsuma until his money runs out.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3

Previously ....

Cobra says he's investigating the case free of charge. And he says he will stay in Putnam County until he's confident the case is closed.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/P-I-Searches-for-Haleigh/rwX4oL0NrE6kKhoe2vdr-g.cspx

JMO, hopefully for Haleigh's sake, the case is closed BEFORE the money runs out if Cobra continues on this case!!


Got to love the media!

Which story is true?

Cripes!

[odyssey]

Not anymore MrLucky. Listed as Fugitive...see my post above. I know I keep bringing him up but nobody listens to me :)

I listen. I talk about him too.

[teresa]

I just looked and he's listed as absconded (can't spell)

Oh. I think this is the guy?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do;jsessionid=JFvPF51xNw4h226qDn jGph6RgpHfNLz65JQR3TKjJzwnkjZJBR7t!-1916374907

I hoope the link works? You think he's dead? Or heard he's dead.

Originally, they thought he was endangered/dead. The state has changed his status.

[TaraCrazyHair]

What do you think about her saying on NG this week that she did not see Ron abuse his kids. Nancy asked, are you sure? She said yes. Tonight she says the opposite.


Not sure?

Maybe she is no longer afraid?

I have never been in that situation with a missing child so hard to answer

Could she be a liar? Certainly but I am sure she has been advised against it in media spotlight

Has she finally realized it is ok to talk? Maybe finally with a lawyer backing her

Hard to say!!

I will say i trust Crystal over Misty and even over Ron at this point

A part of me really feels for her

(shrug)

[teresa]

I listen. I talk about him too.

I want them to find him so bad...if nothing else, to keep other children safe in case he re-offends and also to give his family peace of mind. It just seems really odd to me that they no longer think he is dead. He may be but something made them change that status.

[MrLucky917B]

I just looked and he's listed as absconded (can't spell)

Oh. I think this is the guy?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do;jsessionid=JFvPF51xNw4h226qDn jGph6RgpHfNLz65JQR3TKjJzwnkjZJBR7t!-1916374907

I hoope the link works? You think he's dead? Or heard he's dead.

Until they find a body he has to be shown as absconded, I have heard he is dead.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Originally, they thought he was endangered/dead. The state has changed his status.


What has his status changed to?


Usually they are not removed from endangered by the FBI until they find them?

[catpaws]

I know the chair you are talking about about .. it was made from tree limbs and had some sort of webbing or lashing wrapped around the back of it. I have it somewhere and there is also a pic of it on one of the scare monkey threads.

jmoo

Am I going crazy or was there a mention on here regarding the type of webbing or whatever was used as being like what was found in the car that Chad, the SO, had taken (from a friend?) and then abandoned? Seems this was all early in the case.

MOO

[Grandview]

Originally, they thought he was endangered/dead. The state has changed his status.

Thank you. So where is this creep. Are the Florida officeers looking for him? He's from the same county and offended in the same county and then is missing. Worries me.

[teresa]

Not sure?

Maybe she is no longer afraid?

I have never been in that situation with a missing child so hard to answer

Could she be a liar? Certainly but I am sure she has been advised against it in media spotlight

Has she finally realized it is ok to talk? Maybe finally with a lawyer backing her

Hard to say!!

I will say i trust Crystal over Misty and even over Ron at this point

A part of me really feels for her

(shrug)

Tara, her lawyer was sitting with her. It was Thursday, I believe. Read Nancy's transcripts. She was very definite about it.

[odyssey]

again after he turned 21 and messed with anyone under 18 it was a felony. also after he turned 18 and messed with any one 16 or younger its a felony

We must be reading a different Florida Law .. could you link yours please?

[doctor_J]

was it a gun to the mouth I hear there is a rageaholic running loose in the area

1. We don't know this was ever said by Ron.

2. If he said it---THEORETICALLy speaking. If I had someone in my presence that I knew for a FACT had my small child and would cause her great harm and that person would not reveal her whereabouts, I have no problem with this idea. I would be quite amenable to that.

[teresa]

Until they find a body he has to be shown as absconded, I have heard he is dead.

MrLucky, his poster did say endangered in the other district. Now it says Absconded in a new district. Something changed. He was not listed as Absconded until last week.

[teresa]

Thank you. So where is this creep. Are the Florida officeers looking for him? He's from the same county and offended in the same county and then is missing. Worries me.

Me too Grandview. Not just for this case.

[Grandview]

Until they find a body he has to be shown as absconded, I have heard he is dead.

Who told you or where did you here that?

FL LE doesn't seem to agree or they may be wrong?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=54368

[MrLucky917B]

what girl is this? do you have a link?

This is her

http://www.marionso.com/mediarelease.php?id=09030

She was found on thursday.

http://www.marionso.com/mediarelease.php?id=09031

[odyssey]

Meemaw's is a diner in Satsuma...pretty good home cookin there

yeah i found out lol
i 'pologized .. i just figured we all called our grandmothers meemaw :)

[5boxersmom]

How far is Ft. Myers from Satsuma? I will mapquest if I have too but I see Mr. Lucky is on so I am hoping you can tell me. :biggrin:

They found a body there a few days ago. I was thinking of Chad R. when I read it.

imo

[TaraCrazyHair]

MrLucky, his poster did say endangered in the other district. Now it says Absconded in a new district. Something changed. He was not listed as Absconded until last week.


Ok rechecked

Still says absconded on the initial but the FBI still says endangered

So he is pretty much out the picture until the FBI and FLE say otherwise at this point

(absconded means no address can be confirmed ... hard to do if your dead which is most likely his scenario)


Back to the family for me and more curiosity about Greg

But I am going to sleep .. another 12 hour day tomorrow

Nite all!



Fire and brimstone for whoever harmed this child!

[doctor_J]

Hey Dr. J,
good to see a familiar name. I saw a lot of hits on my blog from here so came to see what's going on. I hope the chatter tonight isn't the norm for this board.

I have no intention of trashing either of Haleigh's parents, however there are a few points that seem consistent here. Ron does have a temper and may have been abusive to Crystal. That in no way means that he has abused his children. Whatever his faults he is working and supporting his children. From the many pictures of him with Haleigh I see sign of nothing but a close relationship. Crystal has said so herself...she couldn't keep the kids from him, they are his "heart" were her words.
Crystal seems to love her children and may have matured some since she and Ron split up. Crystal however seems to be a stranger to the truth. She has made a LOT of conflicting statements. If her interest is the welfare of Junior, she needs to go about this in a much different way. Geraldo is not the route!
Don't mean to step on anyones toes here. This story is frustrating everyone because there are no answers.
This story seems to be shaping up to be a tale of people living on the edge of society, and the consequences for the vulnerable children in their midst. Unfortunately this is the circumstances that many children are raised today.

Hi katfish--I completely agree. Great Post and completely On topic!

I've noticed the board gets very snippy on weekends. Then people get new nics on Monday. Earlier was extra ugly as was last night. I have to leave it alone on these kind of nights. The case is depressing enough without adults being unable to tolerate each other (when they can be anonymous.)

[5boxersmom]

what connection does chad reynolds have to Haleighs case?

He is a missing SO. His crime was breaking in a home and molesting an 11 year old. He used a knife. I think. It was in the same county that Haleigh lives. Putnam.

imo

[teresa]

I don't totally trust the police report because it has errors, but it lists Misty's birthday as Dec 9 and Ron's as Oct 29

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

[VC2]

I am right there with you VC2. Crystal "saw" Ron hit both kids yet she still left on her own without them.

Crystal brings in another person who she says has a baby by Ron. I didn't know this was proven. Maybe she has the proof and we don't. But she puts this persons name out on tv without a second thought if that person approves.

Kim Guilfoyle says Crystal was another underage girl with Ron. Geesh, she was 17 and he was 19. Been together since she was 14 and him 16.

Crystals lawyer doesn't want to play this out in the public. Fooled me.
jmo

yeah really. And people wondered why Ron's attorney specializes in personal injury. I hope that when this is over he slaps crystal, her mom and her attorney with a massive lawsuit that will make the deadbeat mom's unpaid child support look like peanuts. Icant believe all the excuses made for her. By some of the very posters that are all over a man who doesn't pay child support but seem to think its ok when its the mom. A mom who has lied, who couldn't bother taking her kids to the doctor appts she needed! (we .actually Jr.s cardiologist appt was the most shocking to me though. Ron asked to take him but gave her the choice and she said she would but blew it off. a possible heart condition didn't matter to her. Specialists don't normally have schedules that let you just pop in the next day! her excuse..but i was afraid i would be late today..:angry: Then she should have taken Ron's offer and let him take Jr. I bet the judge had a hard time not showing his feelings with that. Talk about proving how unfit you are.

imo

IMO

[MrLucky917B]

MrLucky, his poster did say endangered in the other district. Now it says Absconded in a new district. Something changed. He was not listed as Absconded until last week.

This is the only thing that Marion County has put out on him, there hasn't been any updates on it

http://www.marionso.com/mediarelease.php?id=09020

[odyssey]

eh it's redundant

[playnice]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3

Gosh I thought he was working for free. :confused:

[katfish]

yeah i found out lol
i 'pologized .. i just figured we all called our grandmothers meemaw :)

When I first heard "Cobra" talk about this I thought it was Meemaw Sykes house too. :confused:
1. Ronald, Misty and Junior are staying there.
2. Cobra said all of the family was there.
3. didn't seem like diner discussion.

oh well.

[playnice]

holy crap.so how would he have a connection though, I mean, would he drive back to the very town he did before to molest another child? I dont understand that. I mean, why not another town? why that house? Did Misty or Ron know him by any chance?

His grandparents live closeby somewhere close to that forest but I dont know where to find it so JMO.

[MrLucky917B]

How far is Ft. Myers from Satsuma? I will mapquest if I have too but I see Mr. Lucky is on so I am hoping you can tell me. :biggrin:

They found a body there a few days ago. I was thinking of Chad R. when I read it.

imo

A quick guess would be about 300 miles, they found a lot of bodies in Florida lately.

[katfish]

Hi katfish--I completely agree. Great Post and completely On topic!

I've noticed the board gets very snippy on weekends. Then people get new nics on Monday. Earlier was extra ugly as was last night. I have to leave it alone on these kind of nights. The case is depressing enough without adults being unable to tolerate each other (when they can be anonymous.)

Yes, it seems as though a lot of "those" have left. We certainly don't all have to agree, but i treat others with respect and hope I get the same if I comment here.:thumbsup:

[playnice]

Oh wow. Thats really scary. I would hate to think in that direction and it be nothing more then a coincidence.

I wonder if he knew any of the family members of either side or Misti's or Crystals bf?

[odyssey]

holy crap.so how would he have a connection though, I mean, would he drive back to the very town he did before to molest another child? I dont understand that. I mean, why not another town? why that house? Did Misty or Ron know him by any chance?

same county not same town and his grandparents live in the same area that Mrs. Neves lives.

[5boxersmom]

holy crap.so how would he have a connection though, I mean, would he drive back to the very town he did before to molest another child? I dont understand that. I mean, why not another town? why that house? Did Misty or Ron know him by any chance?

I think he lived there at one time. I don't know of any connection. Just that he is missing since Feb. 1st., I think, and is a RSO.

imo

[teresa]

This is the only thing that Marion County has put out on him, there hasn't been any updates on it

http://www.marionso.com/mediarelease.php?id=09020

According to the Florida Dept of Corrections office, he is not in Marion Co anymore. I'll just drop it since no one believes he is important.

[5boxersmom]

A quick guess would be about 300 miles, they found a lot of bodies in Florida lately.

TY. I have been noticing that. Alot of people think the Alligators eat alot of people when they are missing but doesn't seem to be true.

imo

[Grandview]

I don't totally trust the police report because it has errors, but it lists Misty's birthday as Dec 9 and Ron's as Oct 29

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

And HALeigh is not a BOY. Crystal's age is wrong to What a report

[VC2]

When is Ron's birthday? Anyone know. I wondering how many months he had been "illegally" dating a 17 y/o. Could not have been long. Maybe he should have put her on the street when he turned 25.

yep under the 16 to 24 exception in the law it was fine until then. Personally i think its a big to do about nothing.

[odyssey]

According to the Florida Dept of Corrections office, he is not in Marion Co anymore. I'll just drop it since no one believes he is important.

I believe he is important. I am not convinced he took Haleigh but think it is possible .. whether he did or not, unless/until he is found, it is also possible he is a danger to others out there.
He is more than a sexual offender he is a sexual predator and as such should really be found.

jmoo

g'night

[doctor_J]

The whole "no driver's license" is the most pitiful excuse ever. It only takes 30 days to correct that insufficency if you're over 16. Only 15 with hardship in my state. 30 days and learning a few basic rules from very small book. My son had to drive me to the doctor daily when he was 15. No excuse at all. She should be embarrassed to say that.

[odyssey]

nevermind...i found the other one.

one thing about the comments on his myspace from the account of !!pleasebringhaleighhome!! that seems to almost be a "house" myspace because on the first page of his comments there is one there from that account who says "hey this is Tommy" or something like that so i don't know if it is misty's or chelsea's or the other sil's myspace or if more than one person uses it.

jmoo

now i am really going to be 'night

[VC2]

25? once he reached 21 he was messing with a felony IMO

Wrong. statutory rape. doesn't matter who's older. in FL the age of consent is 16. it is legal for a 16 or 17 y/o to have intercourse with another individual aged 16-24. anyone 15 or younger is illegal. and a 16 or 17y/o with anyone older than 25 is illegal.

http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16257

[Grandview]

According to the Florida Dept of Corrections office, he is not in Marion Co anymore. I'll just drop it since no one believes he is important.

I want him found regardless. He's not in Marion county from what I've read and seen.

[catpaws]

According to the Florida Dept of Corrections office, he is not in Marion Co anymore. I'll just drop it since no one believes he is important.

Personally, I've always felt he was very important to this case. I also wonder about the connection with the other SO, the one that lives in Haleigh's neighborhood, I think he was out past his curfew on the night she was taken. Do they know each other? Birds of a feather. Add to the pot Misty's cousin who was in town. The three have connections to that town so there is a likely chance they know each other. This seems more likely to me than any parentals being involved.

MOO

[doctor_J]

According to the Florida Dept of Corrections office, he is not in Marion Co anymore. I'll just drop it since no one believes he is important.

Please don't drop it teresa. I'm counting on you for updates! :thumbup:

[teresa]

I believe he is important. I am not convinced he took Haleigh but think it is possible .. whether he did or not, unless/until he is found, it is also possible he is a danger to others out there.
He is more than a sexual offender he is a sexual predator and as such should really be found.

jmoo

g'night

I'm not convinced either or even think it is probable, just slightly possible.

It is strange that the poster did say "Daytona" as location just last week...meaning the Daytona office was the responsible office now. I just went to the original post that had this link and the link is dead. It wasn't dead just two days ago. Now it lists no location and says "Absconded" only, not "Absconded/Fugitive". Someone either has some info on him or the office doesn't have their act together.

[playnice]

Personally, I've always felt he was very important to this case. I also wonder about the connection with the other SO, the one that lives in Haleigh's neighborhood, I think he was out past his curfew on the night she was taken. Do they know each other? Birds of a feather. Add to the pot Misty's cousin who was in town. The three have connections to that town so there is a likely chance they know each other. This seems more likely to me than any parentals being involved.

MOO

Chad probably knows alot of SO in Putman Co since he did jail time for committing his crime there.

[doctor_J]

it does cost money to get a license you know??? it may only be $15 dollars but thats alot when you are broke, infact I lost my license card over a month ago and still havent gotten a new one cause I cant afford a new one.
OK, I'll agree. So with no special skills she could place an ad and do 2 days ironing to pay for the license and the ad. Mow 1 neighbor's yard. Never have to leave home.

ETA__Crystal to our knowledge is in perfect health.

[Grandview]

The whole "no driver's license" is the most pitiful excuse ever. It only takes 30 days to correct that insufficency if you're over 16. Only 15 with hardship in my state. 30 days and learning a few basic rules from very small book. My son had to drive me to the doctor daily when he was 15. No excuse at all. She should be embarrassed to say that.

These are the current laws now, 2008.

http://www.flhsmv.gov/ddl/firstlicense.html

Same as my state. Easy to get a DL. Why did c blame in on ron?

[5boxersmom]

I dontknow how likely it is...so SO go out on molesting dates together or something? is there some secret club or chat room where they meet and plan molesting & kidnapping trips?lol

Oh you can bet SO's know other SOs. Just like drug addicts know other drug additcts and so on. My cousin is a drug addict and no matter where she goes she can hook up with others like her. Never fails.

imo

[Grandview]

I just looked at the police report for the first time. Does anyone know who the blacked out witness is? (#5) Why would they black out all of that info?

The baby boy junior. He was there. He wasn't missing. Protecting his id. HA.

[teresa]

Please don't drop it teresa. I'm counting on you for updates! :thumbup:

Well shoot doctor J, they keep changing his poster! Now I don't know what to believe. I truly hope it isn't him and it probably isn't, but it amazes me that LE won't even discuss him yet they keep changing his info.

[katfish]

OK, I'll agree. So with no special skills she could place an ad and do 2 days ironing to pay for the license and the ad. Mow 1 neighbor's yard. Never have to leave home.

Call a friend for a ride, ask a family member, church affiliation? they would help get a child to a doctor....IMO not having a DL is just not a good excuse for missing 12 appts. not able to work with no license would be more valid.

[catpaws]

I dontknow how likely it is...so SO go out on molesting dates together or something? is there some secret club or chat room where they meet and plan molesting & kidnapping trips?lol

IMO, yes, and it isn't a lol situation.

MOO

[playnice]

Call a friend for a ride, ask a family member, church affiliation? they would help get a child to a doctor....IMO not having a DL is just not a good excuse for missing 12 appts. not able to work with no license would be more valid.

That would take dialing numbers. :rolleyes:

[5boxersmom]

not that Im an expert, but those are two WAY different things, you cant compare a drug addicts habits and connections to that of a SO. Drug addicts aremore widely accepted where as SOs are very rarely accepted incircles and they usually dont admit their attraction to children.

They know the ones that are like them. Be it from jail or the Probation Department. Or even the internet. You hang with your kind.

imo

[playnice]

IMO, yes, and it isn't a lol situation.

MOO

I imagine in jail everyone finds out what crime you got sent there for. IMO SO would befriend each other to have friends.

[MrLucky917B]

I just looked at the police report for the first time. Does anyone know who the blacked out witness is? (#5) Why would they black out all of that info?

# 5 would be Ron Jr

[katfish]

That would take dialing numbers. :rolleyes:

yep, just not buying that one.

[doctor_J]

Well shoot doctor J, they keep changing his poster! Now I don't know what to believe. I truly hope it isn't him and it probably isn't, but it amazes me that LE won't even discuss him yet they keep changing his info.

What'd I miss? Has it changed since yesterday from asconded/fugitive. I know it started out missing/endangered.

[catpaws]

not that Im an expert, but those are two WAY different things, you cant compare a drug addicts habits and connections to that of a SO. Drug addicts aremore widely accepted where as SOs are very rarely accepted incircles and they usually dont admit their attraction to children.

If you check the SOs in your area, you might see that they are clustered together. Sometimes in a half way house situation. Or a boarding house. Plus they may go to group therapy while in jail or prison and are very aware of each other. The internet is probably the number one place for meeting.

MOO

[doctor_J]

okay, im done with that discussion, has anyone heard anything about this Greg guy?

sam I agree withe you about the secretive nature vs drug addition. And jail would be the last place they would connect. I believe the internet had made them communicating a viability. Your point was valid with me. Drug addiction is open in any town or city.

[5boxersmom]

sam I agree withe you about the secretive nature vs drug addition. And jail would be the last place they would connect. I believe the internet had made them communicating a viability. Your point was valid with me. Drug addiction is open in any town or city.

I was using that as an example of hanging with your kind. SO are one of the most sneaking lying bunch there is. They probably even admire each other. It doesn't take much for one to find another. No matter what the crime is. Drugs or SO. They know.

imo

[Grandview]

okay, im done with that discussion, has anyone heard anything about this Greg guy?

I don't think that is his name. Reading here I sgned up at another WEB site. Read there but had to go to their non public place to read more. This bonanza from the bounty hunter wasn't new. A relative was posting about a black guy for weeks. Also she posted about the Snodgras guy. I guess someone listened to her. Both showed up at the almost same time. One to c's foundation and the other reported by the bounty hunter guy on the radio. Seems odd to me. just my opinion.

[doctor_J]

I was using that as an example of hanging with your kind. SO are one of the most sneaking lying bunch there is. They probably even admire each other. It doesn't take much for one to find another. No matter what the crime is. Drugs or SO. They know.

imo

There is actually (or used to be) a Man/Child Love Assn. on the net. I watched a documentary about it so no link (wouldn't post it anyway). GAG!

[katfish]

okay, im done with that discussion, has anyone heard anything about this Greg guy?

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733516&IMG=50022

some have speculated this is white boy greg

[katfish]

Not sure i believe a word "Cobra" says. Sure glad he didn't give us all the real personal gory details. jeesh!

[5boxersmom]

There is actually (or used to be) a Man/Child Love Assn. on the net. I watched a documentary about it so link (wouldn't post it anyway). GAG!

It's still around. Makes me sick. They just arrested twin pediatricians in my area for molesting children.

http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Twin-Pediatrician-Released-on-New-Bond/phtdzy7L50-M_2jf07cc9g.cspx

[doctor_J]

Not sure i believe a word "Cobra" says. Sure glad he didn't give us all the real personal gory details. jeesh!

LOL, What could he have held back? Not at ALL sure I believe him. Actually just don't believe any of it. I think he saw how much miliage Lenny got out of the Caylee case and tried to mimic that. Hasn't shown up on NG yet so we'll have to see.

[katfish]

LOL, What could he have held back? Not at ALL sure I believe him. Actually just don't believe any of it. I think he saw how much miliage Lenny got out of the Caylee case and tried to mimic that. Hasn't shown up on NG yet so we'll have to see.

Exactly, Dr. J. He lost me when he said he would have this cleared up in no time. Reminded me of another bounty hunter

[katfish]

I put Greg's name in google...haven't seen him from the first link I clicked on but I did find some interesting stuff on Amber...

I have seen her myspace but don't remember her last name.

[doctor_J]

I was just channel surfing and saw Ron and Teresa on NG. He looks like he has lost 15 lbs and she looks physically ill (as in about to collapse). She looks like I would in those circumstances. Makes me sick at heart. To think 1 person probably caused all this heartache. What could that person be feeling now about what they've done????

[katfish]

It's still around. Makes me sick. They just arrested twin pediatricians in my area for molesting children.

http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Twin-Pediatrician-Released-on-New-Bond/phtdzy7L50-M_2jf07cc9g.cspx

Now that is just sick. Double sick. Makes you wonder what happened to them in their life....no excuse.....just wonder.:thumbdown:

[teresa]

What'd I miss? Has it changed since yesterday from asconded/fugitive. I know it started out missing/endangered.

Sorry...I left for a bit. Now is only says "Absconded", no fugitive, and the Location: Daytona (as in the district office which includes Putnam Co.) is gone.

[Grandview]

I put Greg's name in google...haven't seen him from the first link I clicked on but I did find some interesting stuff on Amber...

Yeah me too. Saw her mug shots in Put co.

[doctor_J]

It's still around. Makes me sick. They just arrested twin pediatricians in my area for molesting children.

http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Twin-Pediatrician-Released-on-New-Bond/phtdzy7L50-M_2jf07cc9g.cspx

Unbelievable!:scared: I'd like a way to stay updated on those cases. I'm shaken. And so little info, like it wasn't very newsworthy.

[teresa]

I have seen her myspace but don't remember her last name.

Watch the rerun of Geraldo. Crystal outed her. That may be fine with Amber...I don't know, but CS said her name.

[Grandview]

The last two in Jan and Feb...

Yep and add Oct 08 for 3 arrests at the age of 19 soon 20. One for drugs. Sad.

[doctor_J]

I should let this go but those pediatricians looked young. Wonder why the judge let them out on so little cash (100,000) and if they have kids of their own under 16 (what about them?) So many questions but O/T I quess. A little cash for doctors,I mean. Probably had that much laying around the house.

[5boxersmom]

Unbelievable!:scared: I'd like a way to stay updated on those cases. I'm shaken. And so little info, like it wasn't very newsworthy.

Yep. They are following it on our local news but it is not the top story. Think of how many parents probably trusted them. Sick. They are everywhere.

imo

[katfish]

night Pia nice to meet you.

The mug shot of Amber looks like a cross between Crystal and Misty

[doctor_J]

Yep. They are following it on our local news but it is not the top story. Think of how many parents probably trusted them. Sick. They are everywhere.

imo

Think of the oppurtunity for kiddy porn!(Wasn't money laundering in there?) Ugh, we better hush, I quess.

[katfish]

I was just channel surfing and saw Ron and Teresa on NG. He looks like he has lost 15 lbs and she looks physically ill (as in about to collapse). She looks like I would in those circumstances. Makes me sick at heart. To think 1 person probably caused all this heartache. What could that person be feeling now about what they've done????

ah, that's sad. Prayers for Haleigh and everyone who loves her!

[aproudmom]

OMG just got over here anything new today.

by the way hi everyone who is still awake like me

[teresa]

Holy cow did the makeup artists get ahold of Marie and Crystal? I didn't recognize them. She flat out states she saw him hit Jr and Haleigh after stating twice on Nancy Grace that she never did.

I wonder if Geraldo would like to see the pics that were on Crystal's myspace if we are going to throw the "Stoney" word around.

[aproudmom]

There is actually (or used to be) a Man/Child Love Assn. on the net. I watched a documentary about it so no link (wouldn't post it anyway). GAG!

OMG they are sick I also saw that.

[aproudmom]

Holy cow did the makeup artists get ahold of Marie and Crystal? I didn't recognize them. She flat out states she saw him hit Jr and Haleigh after stating twice on Nancy Grace that she never did.

I wonder if Geraldo would like to see the pics that were on Crystal's myspace if we are going to throw the "Stoney" word around.

Hi teresa
where did you see them on the news? sorry just got over here. also what was on her myspace she is on mine but never really looked to much at it other than the pictures. call me nosey