Friday 3/20 Hope for Haleigh

[beachpatty]

Another week is coming to an end, with no Haleigh :sad:

If LE has something, I wish they would/could wrap it all up and make a move, this poor baby needs to found and if, indeed, she is an Angel in Gods arms, her earthly body needs proper closure, as do the folks who love her.

I still try to have hope because the alternative is so very sad.

Hope for Haleigh :cursing:
Beachpatty

[n/t]

Good Morning,

I was looking at the photos posted on Art Harris site of the alleged abuse and I found them to be so disturbing to look at. :sad:

I'm a mom and I know children injur themselves often while playing...on their bikes or at the park, etc but there are a couple of photos there that really concern me. The first one is the injuries to her face...the other one is the marks on her arm. The one to her arm is not consistent to a fall or anything of that nature. To me, it looks like she was hit either by a belt or stick.

I wanted to see the photos but now that I've seen them, I feel sick.:crying:

Haleigh :rose:

[n/t]

This just burns me up. Thank goodness I didn't watch NG. Normal punishment??? Leaving marks on a baby's body is normal punishment? Are these people for real!!! :cursing:

==

Everyone, joining me tonight the attorney for the biological mother of Haleigh, Crystal Sheffield, who is launching physical abuse claims against the father. I want to move on from this photo, but very quickly to Eleanor Dixon who is a specialist, specializes in crime on women and children. You`ve seen all the photos.

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: Yes, I have.

GRACE: When I prosecuted abuse on children I would see cigarette burns, children in irreversible comas, severe bruising, child molestation, what do you make of these photos?

DIXON: Well, there are clearly linear marks that could have been made by a belt, a switch, anything like that, but honestly they`re not -- they don`t look that bad, Nancy. It looks like maybe normal punishment, at that.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/19/ng.01.html

[beachpatty]

Good Morning,

I was looking at the photos posted on Art Harris site of the alleged abuse and I found them to be so disturbing to look at. :sad:

I'm a mom and I know children injur themselves often while playing...on their bikes or at the park, etc but there are a couple of photos there that really concern me. The first one is the injuries to her face...the other one is the marks on her arm. The one to her arm is not consistent to a fall or anything of that nature. To me, it looks like she was hit either by a belt or stick.

I wanted to see the photos but now that I've seen them, I feel sick.:crying:

Haleigh :rose:


Good Morning n/t

I went to the links thread, for art harris and I only saw the one photo, can you direct me to the others?

TIA

[n/t]

Good Morning n/t

I went to the links thread, for art harris and I only saw the one photo, can you direct me to the others?

TIA

If you click on read the rest of this entry, it takes you to another page and towards the bottom there are links to 6 pictures as well as Haeigh's medical chart, absentee record and ER note.

[beachpatty]

If you click on read the rest of this entry, it takes you to another page and towards the bottom there are links to 6 pictures as well as Haeigh's medical chart, absentee record and ER note.



Many Thanx :smile:

[n/t]

Why does Ron need 2 attornies?

[n/t]

(bolding to address) Ah, NOT necessarily. It is conceivable that even IF Ron beat Haleigh to within and inch of her life (which I don't believe for a minute, there was ANY abuse), an abducter still could have taken her out of that house and killed her. IOW, even IF abuse occurred, in and of itself that does not at all mean that Ron was definitely involved in Haleigh's disappearance. It is not at all necessarily "a huge step forward"......

Considering there is no evidence of anyone breaking and entering the home, no evidence that an abduction occured....I would say this is HUGE step forward.

Love to quote a woman with some common sense:

JUDY KURIANSKY, PSYCHOLOGIST: First of all, it`s very common that a great-grandmother -- we`ve heard this in other cases -- would be defending the son or the grandson. So that makes sense. That doesn`t mean that it`s not true.

It`s also very logical that Haleigh`s dad is going to say, "I didn`t abuse her." What guy do we know who comes out right out of the bat and says, "Yes, I abused my child?" Is takes a lot before they eventually will admit it. So I`m not buying it from him. And I am appreciating all those other people, by the way, who may have done the reports because this is what we think in all child abuse cases, that if people notice this is going on, that they need to report it. So thank you to all those people.


KURIANSKY: Yes, indeed, they certainly might have noticed something from all the people talking about it. But there`s something fishy about what`s going on in that family and particularly with the fact of his getting married. It`s so inappropriate. I know you`ve mentioned this before. It`s -- it`s just -- psychologically does not make sense and doesn`t sit well.


:thumbsup:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/19/ijvm.01.html

[n/t]

jmo only on this post do I SEE any sympathy for RC whatsoever. I thought maybe it was me so I began to ask others. They felt the same way I do. He physically and verbally abused Crystal, she left him took the children with her.He took them when Haleigh was two, wouldn't return them. Heleigh comes home with bruises, imagine being in that position as a mother, she reports him... happened at school, nothing done. Jr has bruises she reprts bruises...nothing done. Imagine how that must feel and now under his watch her child is missing. what do you do? IMO do excatly what she is doing, let the world know what he has gotten away with and try to get your little boy back! I wonder what NG would be doing if this happened to one of her twins.Again IMO


From what Crystal's attorney said, Crystal reported the abuse numerous times. Apparently, there are witnesses who saw Ron beating the children and then we have the photos and probably more evidence that we haven't heard about yet.

It sounds like Crystal didn't have the money nor resources to fight the battle. Thankfully, she does now for Junior's sake. Sadly, it may be too late for Haleigh. :sad:

[Pebbles]

jmo only on this post do I SEE any sympathy for RC whatsoever. I thought maybe it was me so I began to ask others. They felt the same way I do. He physically and verbally abused Crystal, she left him took the children with her.He took them when Haleigh was two, wouldn't return them. Heleigh comes home with bruises, imagine being in that position as a mother, she reports him... happened at school, nothing done. Jr has bruises she reprts bruises...nothing done. Imagine how that must feel and now under his watch her child is missing. what do you do? IMO do excatly what she is doing, let the world know what he has gotten away with and try to get your little boy back! I wonder what NG would be doing if this happened to one of her twins.Again IMO



ITA.

Back in the 1970's my aunt tried to get custody of her granddaughter and two other grandchildren, that she felt were in danger, being neglected by their mother, my aunt's daughter. There was a home investigation, my aunt was told that no neglect or abuse was found. Less than six months later, my aunt's granddaughter was dead (she hadn't even celebrated her first birthday yet). My cousin had beaten her daughter for crying, and after her death it was found that this little girl had suffered previous beatings since there were old injuries that showed up in the autopsy.

My cousin went to prison for twenty years, she is no longer in prison, but the family has no contact with her. My cousin had two other children, that were three and four, they were put up for adoption. Luckily the adoption family let my aunt keep in touch with these grandchildren until her death ten years ago. My aunt never spoke to her daughter or went to see her in prison.

This happened almost thirty years ago, but I can remember how much my aunt worried and tried to get custody of her grandchildren. She blamed herself for a long time over the death of her little granddaughter, even though everyone told her she did everything she possibly could.

[Pebbles]

I honestly feel in my heart that something happened to Haleigh before Misty and Ron reported her missing. Just because this is the story that Misty and Ron are telling, doesn't mean that is what happened. I feel something happened to Haleigh before they say she was put to bed.

I sit here wondering sometimes if LE has searched along the route that Ron takes to and from work.

This is JMO, and i would be happy if Haleigh is found safe and I am proven wrong.

[royals02]

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt and for the life of me, I cannot figure out who or what happened to Haleigh. HOWEVER...as a mother, if I were the non-custodial parent and my children came for visitation with bruises or anything that would make me think my children were being abused....there is no way that I would return them to the father. Let him call the police and try to get the kids away from me and confront the issue right there and then. One of the roles of a parent is to PROTECT your children. How could she send those kids back to their dad if she suspected that they were being abused. I just dont buy what she is selling.
Ron's timing for getting married doesnt make sense to me and
Crystal's timing of these allegations doesnt make sense to me either

[playnice]

Its been confirmed that Haleigh went to school that day.
A neighbor saw her out side playing. (per LE but no time released.
The AC man was there. (verified by LE but no info released as time or if he saw kids)
Misti's brother & kids were there. (per Misti)
GGM brought some clothes over that the kids left and she washed. Around 7:pm.
LE hasnt verified any of this to the public.

I tend to think they have verified these people seeing her because the timeline starts at 7:00 p.m. If they hadnt it should start after school at 3:00pm.

[Texas48]

Another week is coming to an end, with no Haleigh :sad:

If LE has something, I wish they would/could wrap it all up and make a move, this poor baby needs to found and if, indeed, she is an Angel in Gods arms, her earthly body needs proper closure, as do the folks who love her.

I still try to have hope because the alternative is so very sad.

Hope for Haleigh :cursing:
BeachpattyAhh..good morning Patty. I see you were up and about very early this am. Are you on that second pot of coffee? Another week gone and NO HALEIGH. WTH....It is so mind bogging that a child..a litttle girl can vanish from HER home..from HER bed...with ppl w/her...???How is this possible? Unbelievable and YET...We have to believe it. How sad....Good morning to ALL :wub:

[i_pickle]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134180&catid=3Wow, that's interesting. I wonder what this means;

"Though Ronald Cummings stands by her, the firm "has decided it is best to only represent ronald and not Misty, because of their different respective legal positions.""

What different perspective legal positions?

[Texas48]

Good Morning,

I was looking at the photos posted on Art Harris site of the alleged abuse and I found them to be so disturbing to look at. :sad:

I'm a mom and I know children injur themselves often while playing...on their bikes or at the park, etc but there are a couple of photos there that really concern me. The first one is the injuries to her face...the other one is the marks on her arm. The one to her arm is not consistent to a fall or anything of that nature. To me, it looks like she was hit either by a belt or stick.

I wanted to see the photos but now that I've seen them, I feel sick.:crying:

Haleigh :rose:Morning
n/t....Yes..I saw the photos and heard KP giving the timeline btw the fall at playground and the date Haleigh was taken to ER. Attorney was trying her best to give NG the details but Nancy kept cutting her short. I believe NG made up her mind weeks ago and NO Matter was is being said or shown to her she just will NOT keep an open mind. It was difficult to try and hear the attorney along with noise behind her and then NG stepping over her answers/interview. I so wish GVS would have covered this case but it appears NG jumped in quickly so greta backed off.Thats JMO

[i_pickle]

I found this on blink.com. Read the comments!

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/19/haleigh-cummings-case-ron-cummings-hires-attorneys/I like the first one. :thumbsup:

The rest are pretty scary.

[beachpatty]

Ahh..good morning Patty. I see you were up and about very early this am. Are you on that second pot of coffee? Another week gone and NO HALEIGH. WTH....It is so mind bogging that a child..a litttle girl can vanish from HER home..from HER bed...with ppl w/her...???How is this possible? Unbelievable and YET...We have to believe it. How sad....Good morning to ALL :wub:


Yes I was up early, I have a job interview this am and I had to play the "what am I going to wear game?", I seem to have lost weight, probably from stress, but hey, not a bad thing.

Very interesting that Ron's lawyer will not represent Misty! Dang, that's true love, they just got married last week, I wonder what she think about that? So she's the next one to lawyer up, I sure am glad Baez is busy :scared:

I'm still waiting for whatever Cobra thinks is going to happen, something needs to break here. What a circus!

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[Texas48]

This just burns me up. Thank goodness I didn't watch NG. Normal punishment??? Leaving marks on a baby's body is normal punishment? Are these people for real!!! :cursing:

==

Everyone, joining me tonight the attorney for the biological mother of Haleigh, Crystal Sheffield, who is launching physical abuse claims against the father. I want to move on from this photo, but very quickly to Eleanor Dixon who is a specialist, specializes in crime on women and children. You`ve seen all the photos.

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: Yes, I have.

GRACE: When I prosecuted abuse on children I would see cigarette burns, children in irreversible comas, severe bruising, child molestation, what do you make of these photos?

DIXON: Well, there are clearly linear marks that could have been made by a belt, a switch, anything like that, but honestly they`re not -- they don`t look that bad, Nancy. It looks like maybe normal punishment, at that.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/19/ng.01.htmlITA n/t..leaving bruises on a child is just normal punishment????WTH..I'm not even saying Ron did this/left marks on this child..I'm saying that IMO it is not exceptable..We need to wait till a child has cig. burns or in a coma before it is considered child abuse? They don't look that bad..?? I could NOT believe she was saying this. Its OK to hit a child with a "stick" in the state of Fl.? Going to shake my head again today...JMO

[Texas48]

Why does Ron need 2 attornies?They only come in pairs..?? lol:confused:

[crymeariver2006]

Wow, that's interesting. I wonder what this means;

"Though Ronald Cummings stands by her, the firm "has decided it is best to only represent ronald and not Misty, because of their different respective legal positions.""

What different perspective legal positions?

Misty has no standing in the custody issues. She was not married to their father at the time of Haleigh's disappearance so legally she was not their "step parent" (as much as she would like to believe she was).

Misty's "legal position" would change if SHE were to be charged criminally in Haleigh's disappearance.

Misty's "legal position" would change if it was HER that was being accused of abusing the children.

Or something like that. Generally one attorney won't represent two people accused/charged with the same crime.

[Texas48]

When Dixon made that absolutely CRAZY statement I couldn't believe it! Do these people realize that we are talking about a 2 or three year old child here??? There is absolutely no excuse for leaving a mark of ANY KIND from a "punishment." imo.

Again, I hope the people that have eye witness accounts of this abuse go forward with their information to child welfare services.

Nancy Grace should wise up and take into account that she may be wrong about ronald cummings. IMO. :mad:Morning Jo..I really think NG made up her mind weeks ago and is NOT open to any other evidence or even willing to allow a "guest" to finish her interview without stepping all over the words. Its Nancy's way or NO way....jmo

[spageddy]

Good Morning Beachpatty. Good luck with the interview! I think I found the weight you lost :)
I'm still wondering about who was in that home. I keep hearing about more people. First it was the ac man, then the ggma, and the nephew-cousin-brother (Misti's or Ron's) and now the kids of the uncle-brother-nephew. I have a hard time keeping up, since I can't stay on-line for long periods of time. There was some confusion over NG's transcript w/Ron the other night. Since I think it's the key to what happened- Does anyone know for a fact Who was in that home, what are their names, and what is their relationship to Ron & Misty? Thank you all for keeping up!

[*Spike*]

ITA n/t..leaving bruises on a child is just normal punishment????WTH..I'm not even saying Ron did this/left marks on this child..I'm saying that IMO it is not exceptable..We need to wait till a child has cig. burns or in a coma before it is considered child abuse? They don't look that bad..?? I could NOT believe she was saying this. Its OK to hit a child with a "stick" in the state of Fl.? Going to shake my head again today...JMO

wow i agree. its not normal punishment when you leave marks on a child. whats wrong with people.

[Anonymous]

It's just a gut feeling, but I think that Misty knows exactly what happened to that little girl. I also feel that Ron knows, too, and that he hurriedly married Misty to keep her quiet. JMO

In regard to the abuse allegations.....don't get me started!!! If Florida's DFS is anything like Missouri's, then it's hard telling what has gone on.

[i_pickle]

Misty has no standing in the custody issues. She was not married to their father at the time of Haleigh's disappearance so legally she was not their "step parent" (as much as she would like to believe she was).

Misty's "legal position" would change if SHE were to be charged criminally in Haleigh's disappearance.

Misty's "legal position" would change if it was HER that was being accused of abusing the children.

Or something like that. Generally one attorney won't represent two people accused/charged with the same crime.Makes sense, thanks.

[crymeariver2006]

Good Morning Beachpatty. Good luck with the interview! I think I found the weight you lost :)
I'm still wondering about who was in that home. I keep hearing about more people. First it was the ac man, then the ggma, and the nephew-cousin-brother (Misti's or Ron's) and now the kids of the uncle-brother-nephew. I have a hard time keeping up, since I can't stay on-line for long periods of time. There was some confusion over NG's transcript w/Ron the other night. Since I think it's the key to what happened- Does anyone know for a fact Who was in that home, what are their names, and what is their relationship to Ron & Misty? Thank you all for keeping up!

*Bolding mine

The short answer is No.

The long answer is:

Misty says brother and a/c guy.

GGM Sykes says she was there.

Police will only say a "neighbor" saw Haleigh "earlier in the evening".

Brother, a/c guy, nor neighbor have hit the media yet with their "version" (and that, IMO, is a good thing).

[royals02]

IF Haleigh was the victim of child abuse then I would have to believe that EVERYONE in her life failed her and that includes Ron and his entire family, Misty, Crystal and her entire family, neighbors, school and medical professionals.....I find it hard to believe that IF she were being abused that NOT ONE person would step up for her!!!!!!

[i_pickle]

It's just a gut feeling, but I think that Misty knows exactly what happened to that little girl. I also feel that Ron knows, too, and that he hurriedly married Misty to keep her quiet. JMO

In regard to the abuse allegations.....don't get me started!!! If Florida's DFS is anything like Missouri's, then it's hard telling what has gone on.I have the same gut feeling. I've had it since the beginning. I think they both know.

[jakee]

ITA n/t..leaving bruises on a child is just normal punishment????WTH..I'm not even saying Ron did this/left marks on this child..I'm saying that IMO it is not exceptable..We need to wait till a child has cig. burns or in a coma before it is considered child abuse? They don't look that bad..?? I could NOT believe she was saying this. Its OK to hit a child with a "stick" in the state of Fl.? Going to shake my head again today...JMO

I agree, It really upset me when I heard this last night on NG. I don't understand why some think leaving marks is normal. I am not saying Ron did this either, I am more upset at the "normal" punishment remark. It just makes me sad to think of little children being hit with sticks and who knows what and I guess it is ok. :sad:

[Texas48]

Considering there is no evidence of anyone breaking and entering the home, no evidence that an abduction occured....I would say this is HUGE step forward.

Love to quote a woman with some common sense:

JUDY KURIANSKY, PSYCHOLOGIST: First of all, it`s very common that a great-grandmother -- we`ve heard this in other cases -- would be defending the son or the grandson. So that makes sense. That doesn`t mean that it`s not true.

It`s also very logical that Haleigh`s dad is going to say, "I didn`t abuse her." What guy do we know who comes out right out of the bat and says, "Yes, I abused my child?" Is takes a lot before they eventually will admit it. So I`m not buying it from him. And I am appreciating all those other people, by the way, who may have done the reports because this is what we think in all child abuse cases, that if people notice this is going on, that they need to report it. So thank you to all those people.


KURIANSKY: Yes, indeed, they certainly might have noticed something from all the people talking about it. But there`s something fishy about what`s going on in that family and particularly with the fact of his getting married. It`s so inappropriate. I know you`ve mentioned this before. It`s -- it`s just -- psychologically does not make sense and doesn`t sit well.


:thumbsup:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/19/ijvm.01.html
Good post n/t..you get two:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[i_pickle]

Well...scoot over so I can sit down n/t...I actually went back and watched GR/Ron interview...I had to shake my head again..The words Ron "recited" was clear. .then he says something to the effect of ..my daughter and daddy..ya know..we have an agreement. You remember the interview I'm sure. You have to go to link section and listen again....My oh My....jmo:confused:I know the part of the interview you're talking about. Doesn't he sound childish when he says that? Check out his body language. YIKES!

[crymeariver2006]

IF Haleigh was the victim of child abuse then I would have to believe that EVERYONE in her life failed her and that includes Ron and his entire family, Misty, Crystal and her entire family, neighbors, school and medical professionals.....I find it hard to believe that IF she were being abused that NOT ONE person would step up for her!!!!!!

Unfortunately in FL it's not considered abuse to leave marks on your child or hit them with sticks or belts.

That's why DCF hasn't done anything in the past. They write it up as "natural discipline" and that everything is A-okay.

You and I and Crystal and her attorney might view the same thing as "abuse", but abuse in Florida seems to be in the eye of the beholder.

IMO

[Texas48]

I agree, sitting in separate Lazy Girls on this issue was no fun at all. :wink: I don't get Nancy either, I agree with you if there was any kind of prior abuse, this is a huge red flag as to what may have happened to Haleigh.

I don't have too much faith in the child services department in Florida, at this point any investigation may be to cover their butts. I hope not, but it's possible. I'm just glad Kim Picazio has pushed them into investigating and now the sheriff's department is investigating too, iirc.I agree Jo...I think ALL child services have many problems and then it is always blamed on one thing or another when a child slips through the cracks and it is made public. I have to wounder HOW MANY is NOT made public? I'm not only saying this about Fl. as it is a problem nation wide. jmo

[*Spike*]

IF Haleigh was the victim of child abuse then I would have to believe that EVERYONE in her life failed her and that includes Ron and his entire family, Misty, Crystal and her entire family, neighbors, school and medical professionals.....I find it hard to believe that IF she were being abused that NOT ONE person would step up for her!!!!!!


i dont find it hard to believe. it happens all the time. people dont want to get involved for whatever reason & turn the other way. JMO

[*Spike*]

I have the same gut feeling. I've had it since the beginning. I think they both know.

Yep i agree.

[*Spike*]

I know the part of the interview you're talking about. Doesn't he sound childish when he says that? Check out his body language. YIKES!

thats when i knew he was really guilty of the abuse claims. look at the way he answered the question. JMO

[Texas48]

jmo only on this post do I SEE any sympathy for RC whatsoever. I thought maybe it was me so I began to ask others. They felt the same way I do. He physically and verbally abused Crystal, she left him took the children with her.He took them when Haleigh was two, wouldn't return them. Heleigh comes home with bruises, imagine being in that position as a mother, she reports him... happened at school, nothing done. Jr has bruises she reprts bruises...nothing done. Imagine how that must feel and now under his watch her child is missing. what do you do? IMO do excatly what she is doing, let the world know what he has gotten away with and try to get your little boy back! I wonder what NG would be doing if this happened to one of her twins.Again IMOITA and we HAVE to remember that NG is the World's Greatest Mom...I would love to ask her if she will use a stick to punish one of her children...not going to start ranting this early in the am..will wait till this afternnon..lol..jmo:sad:

[Texas48]

From what Crystal's attorney said, Crystal reported the abuse numerous times. Apparently, there are witnesses who saw Ron beating the children and then we have the photos and probably more evidence that we haven't heard about yet.

It sounds like Crystal didn't have the money nor resources to fight the battle. Thankfully, she does now for Junior's sake. Sadly, it may be too late for Haleigh. :sad:
I believe in 2006 Crystal had a protective order against Ron..I would have to go back to the link to make certain. My guess is that several came forward to report things that SHOULD have been reported earlier and possibly these ppl did NOT want to get INVOLVED which saddly is the case many times. Now that Haleigh is gone/vanished they are saying what they should have reported BEFORE. That is MO..:sad:

[*Spike*]

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt and for the life of me, I cannot figure out who or what happened to Haleigh. HOWEVER...as a mother, if I were the non-custodial parent and my children came for visitation with bruises or anything that would make me think my children were being abused....there is no way that I would return them to the father. Let him call the police and try to get the kids away from me and confront the issue right there and then. One of the roles of a parent is to PROTECT your children. How could she send those kids back to their dad if she suspected that they were being abused. I just dont buy what she is selling.
Ron's timing for getting married doesnt make sense to me and
Crystal's timing of these allegations doesnt make sense to me either


the problem is its not just the mother who is saying this about the father abusing his kids. other people are saying it too. the mother sounds like she was affraid of Ronald & maybe his family too & maybe wasnt very smart to know what to do. JMO

[Kelly3820]

IMO I think that a stranger took Haleigh. Sadly I think LE has NOTHING and they seem stuck on family members. Crystal is a piece of work. I think all of this is doing nothing in finding Haleigh and bringing her home.

[*Spike*]

Its been confirmed that Haleigh went to school that day.
A neighbor saw her out side playing. (per LE but no time released.
The AC man was there. (verified by LE but no info released as time or if he saw kids)
Misti's brother & kids were there. (per Misti)
GGM brought some clothes over that the kids left and she washed. Around 7:pm.
LE hasnt verified any of this to the public.

I tend to think they have verified these people seeing her because the timeline starts at 7:00 p.m. If they hadnt it should start after school at 3:00pm.

I wonder if Ronald left work for any amount of time after 7 pm to go home for whatever reason & then returned back to work a short time later. JMO

[i_pickle]

thats when i knew he was really guilty of the abuse claims. look at the way he answered the question. JMOYep, he's not a very good liar. Watch it without the sound. Really telling.

I'm not a big GR fan but he was right on target with this one.

[Texas48]

Hi grma, here's what Nancy said last night, I got a chuckle out of it.


GRACE: You know, Mike, you`re really barking up the wrong tree with me. I nearly had heart failure when my son, John David, had a red mark across the back of his head. I nearly reported myself to DFACs. It turned out to be a crayon.

But you make some excellent points about Crystal. IMO, she was a typical abused woman, controlled by ronald thru abuse and violence. She had no driver's license. She had no power in that relationship, imo.

Nancy Grace would never be in Crystal's position, imo, but that is no excuse not to relate to her by having seen woman like her during her years as a prosecutor. I hope in the days to come, Miss Nancy wakes up and starts to look at this case with fresh and unbiased eyes. IMO.I just do not believe NG will be unbiased no matter what is shown or told to her. IMO..thinking way way back..Greta had a good relationship w/cindy and george nd got the GOOD interviews and NG was left behind. NG jumped on this case and made nicey nice w/TN and even got the House Tour...I know her assistants read the boards and have seen HOW MANY have posted that GVS does and would do a much better job/interviews. I do believe once NG "got in" w/the family then Greta backed off alittle. Am I making any sense at all?lol..You know what I am saying..thank goodness. lol..and of course..jmo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Good Morning (:

I think this custody issue is exactly why Ron married Misty ... to rectify the situation before it became an issue in the Court

As far as the photos on the Art Harris site, I do not see abuse as much as just bumps and bruising from what could be from normal play but i will admit I did not see the interview where it was claimed he was hit with a stick?

And poor little Haleigh's face on the first photo could be exactly as claimed, a hard fall from the monkey bars?

[*Spike*]

I believe in 2006 Crystal had a protective order against Ron..I would have to go back to the link to make certain. My guess is that several came forward to report things that SHOULD have been reported earlier and possibly these ppl did NOT want to get INVOLVED which saddly is the case many times. Now that Haleigh is gone/vanished they are saying what they should have reported BEFORE. That is MO..:sad:

yep i agree.

[Texas48]

imo I guess my symapathy is with her because it is clear he is a bully, you try to get out and he gets the courts to back him up. SAD. I wonder what LE thinks about this. They can tell false reports from real ones. I just hope they do something before something happens to that little boy.Going to take a flying leap and say Possibly Jr. is in NO danger right now as this case and details and accusations are much too public. Everyone will be on their best behavior as someone is always watching. I hope/pray I'm right..ya never know..jmo

[royals02]

the problem is its not just the mother who is saying this about the father abusing his kids. other people are saying it too. the mother sounds like she was affraid of Ronald & maybe his family too & maybe wasnt very smart to know what to do. JMO

It just doesn't matter about anybody else.....Crystal is their MOTHER...and afraid of Ron or not....the children's welfare has to come first!!!
If she was standing in the street with her kids and a car was careening towards them, I guess she would be scared...but would she put her welfare above the kids and save herself. Its just an analogy, but thats just what she did IF her allegations are true

[MissouriGMom]

I agree Jo...I think ALL child services have many problems and then it is always blamed on one thing or another when a child slips through the cracks and it is made public. I have to wounder HOW MANY is NOT made public? I'm not only saying this about Fl. as it is a problem nation wide. jmo

Yes, it is a nationwide problem. But the problem is not just with child services, it's with lack of proper parenting skills to a large degree.

I'm an elementary school counselor. I've been in the same school for 11 years, and for the first few years I called the child abuse hotline only a handful of times. The last 3 or 4 years I've had to call so many times that it's just crazy. I've had to call for physical abuse, educational neglect, medical neglect, and sexual abuse. Now, with the economic ills, it's only going to get worse! jmo

(sorry for the rant)

I just hope they find Haleigh and see to it that Jr. is safe.

[Texas48]

Interesting opinion, has it ever been confirmed that Haleigh was actually seen alive by anyone after ronald went to work? I know several people were at the trailer that day, has anyone confimed they saw Haleigh?
GGM says she saw the children eating supper..A/C man was there but I don't believe I have read what time...Ron's relatives (don't know who) link states "relatives" ...says cousin Joe was there only hours before Misty found Haleigh missing but LE states he is not a suspectthe link..he has been cleared..?? Honestly Jo I would have to go back and read links again as it has been awhile back that I went through all links. I did not help much w/your question...sorry. jmo

[i_pickle]

It just doesn't matter about anybody else.....Crystal is their MOTHER...and afraid of Ron or not....the children's welfare has to come first!!!
If she was standing in the street with her kids and a car was careening towards them, I guess she would be scared...but would she put her welfare above the kids and save herself. Its just an analogy, but thats just what she did IF her allegations are trueShoulda, woulda, coulda. I think there's enough blame to go around. DCF, the school, LE, if it was reported to them, TN, GGMA Sykes, other relatives, friends and neighbors. This poor child fell between the cracks. It happens all the time, unfortunately.

[MrLucky917B]

Wow, that's interesting. I wonder what this means;

"Though Ronald Cummings stands by her, the firm "has decided it is best to only represent ronald and not Misty, because of their different respective legal positions.""

What different perspective legal positions?

One is an adult the other is a minor.

One is the parent the other is a babysitter.

One is involved in a custody dispute the other isn't.

[CANDYKISSES]

Good Morning,

I was looking at the photos posted on Art Harris site of the alleged abuse and I found them to be so disturbing to look at.

I'm a mom and I know children injur themselves often while playing...on their bikes or at the park, etc but there are a couple of photos there that really concern me. The first one is the injuries to her face...the other one is the marks on her arm. The one to her arm is not consistent to a fall or anything of that nature. To me, it looks like she was hit either by a belt or stick.

I wanted to see the photos but now that I've seen them, I feel sick.:crying:

Haleigh :rose:

WOW, I can't believe you wouldn't think a child falling from the MONKEY BARS could do such damage and how the blot clots with the bruising. I hate to see any child with any kind of injury. You must have been the most fortunate mom as having three boys, I have seen it all and had my child tell the ambulance driver to take care of his mom, because he thought I couldn't handle it.

Whether it was swinging from our dining room chandelier and stitches galore while I was in the laundry room or having a bone sticking out of a leg, kids can get some horrific injuries HAVING FUN in their opinion.

Even Kim looked a bit embarrassed that she had been pedaling them as abuse IMO. She has been dressed down by one of the best from my POV. :blushing: jmo

[*Spike*]

is there a link about Ron hitting Jr with a stick ? TIA

[CC I See]

Good Morning,

I was looking at the photos posted on Art Harris site of the alleged abuse and I found them to be so disturbing to look at. :sad:

I'm a mom and I know children injur themselves often while playing...on their bikes or at the park, etc but there are a couple of photos there that really concern me. The first one is the injuries to her face...the other one is the marks on her arm. The one to her arm is not consistent to a fall or anything of that nature. To me, it looks like she was hit either by a belt or stick.

I wanted to see the photos but now that I've seen them, I feel sick.:crying:

Haleigh :rose:n/t, I couldn't agree more. I know that children fall down and get hurt. Maybe we were lucky but I have never seen bruising on my child's face like on Haleigh's face. To me it looks like a slap across her face with the fingernails cutting or scrapping the skin.

As for the school system reporting and Child Protection Services stepping in.... they fail on many occasions. In my city this case came up yesterday. She was only 3 but someone had to of known about the abuse......

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10038160&nav=menu192_2

[Texas48]

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt and for the life of me, I cannot figure out who or what happened to Haleigh. HOWEVER...as a mother, if I were the non-custodial parent and my children came for visitation with bruises or anything that would make me think my children were being abused....there is no way that I would return them to the father. Let him call the police and try to get the kids away from me and confront the issue right there and then. One of the roles of a parent is to PROTECT your children. How could she send those kids back to their dad if she suspected that they were being abused. I just dont buy what she is selling.
Ron's timing for getting married doesnt make sense to me and
Crystal's timing of these allegations doesnt make sense to me eitherYou are correct...I feel bad for Crystal as I have seen/worked with women just like her. She seems scared of her own shadow and I DO BELIEVE her when she states she was/is scared of Ron...but..this is no excuse for her actions is she felt the kids were being abused. I do believe she had contacted child services prior to Haleigh missing as they have been investigating this family for some time. I think this is where Ron "learned" how to spank his children..ya know..him and his daughter had an agreement..???? I just thought the other case/other family was the most dysfuntional I had ever witnessed and then this family came along. jmo

[StickyBeak]

Wow, that's interesting. I wonder what this means;

"Though Ronald Cummings stands by her, the firm "has decided it is best to only represent ronald and not Misty, because of their different respective legal positions.""

What different perspective legal positions?


I am guess since Misty is not a Parent and the issue is custody she would not be included. But the different Position has me baffeled,
potential ? JMO

[Texas48]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134180&catid=3TY for the link mom...I wounder when an attorney is going to step up for Misty? Crystal has one attorney..Ron has two attorneys and Misty NEEDS an attorney....jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Hi grma, here's what Nancy said last night, I got a chuckle out of it.


GRACE: You know, Mike, you`re really barking up the wrong tree with me. I nearly had heart failure when my son, John David, had a red mark across the back of his head. I nearly reported myself to DFACs. It turned out to be a crayon.

But you make some excellent points about Crystal. IMO, she was a typical abused woman, controlled by ronald thru abuse and violence. She had no driver's license. She had no power in that relationship, imo.

Nancy Grace would never be in Crystal's position, imo, but that is no excuse not to relate to her by having seen woman like her during her years as a prosecutor. I hope in the days to come, Miss Nancy wakes up and starts to look at this case with fresh and unbiased eyes. IMO.

I think Nancy can tell when she is being lied to and last night was further evidence supporting the idea that Crystal was no poor young thing with low self-esteem IMO.

For crying out loud, you can't give every woman who is just too lazy to get out of bed to take care of a child's needs a free ABUSE PASS IMO, we've seen it on paper and the words are directly from her mouth when it comes to lying for Crystal.

The cocaine statement with Geraldo was one more turning point for me. She still puts herself first. That's the difference in the women who truly suffer abuse Jo, they think their life is of so little value and their children always come first. The one time they seem to buck up is when it comes to their children IMO.

Crystal is an opportunistic false accuser not much different from the last one some peeps wanted to put on the pedestal IMO and others who have truly seen ABUSE know the difference. That's why her story is only floating with certain people who believe any woman, simply because a man is involved and can be the bad guy IMOO. :sad:

[dixielover]

I wonder if Ronald left work for any amount of time after 7 pm to go home for whatever reason & then returned back to work a short time later. JMO

How many hours does RC work. If he gets off at 3:00 AM did he go to work at 7:00 PM- I have never heard what he did before he went to work. imo

[i_pickle]

Good mornini all.

I'll take #13:confused: just went back to read # 13 and it says page cannot be displayed. Was it taken down that quick or is it just a glitch in my puter?

[MrLucky917B]

New Information Uncovered In Haleigh Cummings Investigation

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Information-Uncovered-In-Haleigh-Cummings/aRtpMDSdH0Gw3zdQ5NJSMw.cspx

Not much new information in that article, it's been floating around for a couple of weeks. It didn't even mention his name.

[Texas48]

(bolding to address) Ah, NOT necessarily. It is conceivable that even IF Ron beat Haleigh to within and inch of her life (which I don't believe for a minute, there was ANY abuse), an abducter still could have taken her out of that house and killed her. IOW, even IF abuse occurred, in and of itself that does not at all mean that Ron was definitely involved in Haleigh's disappearance. It is not at all necessarily "a huge step forward"......Good morning SS. I certainly in no way am saying Ron abused the kids...but..if it is conceivable to you that Ron beat Haleigh to within an inch of her life..is it not conceivable to you or me that just possibly he went TO FAR? And yes I agree that an abducter could have taken Haleigh from the house..we have seen many cases where this is the case so anything is possible. jmo

[*Spike*]

How many hours does RC work. If he gets off at 3:00 AM did he go to work at 7:00 PM- I have never heard what he did before he went to work. imo

i'm not sure but wish i knew.

[CANDYKISSES]

I wonder what Misty's reaction was to Ron *lawyering* up, after all she said only guilty people need lawyers. (paraphrased as I can't recall her exact words). Those words just may come back and haunt her.

moo

He has gotten legal representation because of a woman who comes with a history that includes FALSELY REPORTING A FELONY.....I would have obtained a lawyer from the moment she did that in any dealings with her.

Ask the guy she falsely accused if he obtained legal services since it took her so long to admit she falsely reported a felony? :cursing:

Ron has nothing on Crystal when it comes to being slick IMO.

[crymeariver2006]

How many hours does RC work. If he gets off at 3:00 AM did he go to work at 7:00 PM- I have never heard what he did before he went to work. imo

HIs shift would have started at 4:30 p.m. and ended at 3:00 a.m.

JMO but another poster called DMB in reference to a job posting online and found out the shift times. The morning shift is 6:00 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. Both are 10 hour shifts. DMB also has a weekend shift Sat/Sun that is 6:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m.

[*Spike*]

I wonder what Misty's reaction was to Ron *lawyering* up, after all she said only guilty people need lawyers. (paraphrased as I can't recall her exact words). Those words just may come back and haunt her.

moo

i used to think only guilty people need lawyers too until i started following cases. i now believe people need a lawyer because LE can twist your words. they can make a case out of whatever you say or dont say & whatever you do or dont do.

[CC I See]

TY for the link mom...I wounder when an attorney is going to step up for Misty? Crystal has one attorney..Ron has two attorneys and Misty NEEDS an attorney....jmo...... there is bound to be a Criminal Defense Attorney willing to represent Misty like Jose Baez did for Casey. Such notoriety would bolster his or her career, if successful.

[crymeariver2006]

i used to think only guilty people need lawyers too until i started following cases. i now believe people need a lawyer because LE can twist your words. they can make a case out of whatever you say or dont say & whatever you do or dont do.

Except in this case, LE is not twisting Misty's words. She does it every time she gets in front of a camera. And each time she adds little tidbits and the next day, LE brings her back in for more questioning.

:wink:

[Texas48]

Good Morning Beachpatty. Good luck with the interview! I think I found the weight you lost :)
I'm still wondering about who was in that home. I keep hearing about more people. First it was the ac man, then the ggma, and the nephew-cousin-brother (Misti's or Ron's) and now the kids of the uncle-brother-nephew. I have a hard time keeping up, since I can't stay on-line for long periods of time. There was some confusion over NG's transcript w/Ron the other night. Since I think it's the key to what happened- Does anyone know for a fact Who was in that home, what are their names, and what is their relationship to Ron & Misty? Thank you all for keeping up!I have been TRYING to keep up and I am still :confused:about who was is the house the night Haleigh went missing.

[Texas48]

wow i agree. its not normal punishment when you leave marks on a child. whats wrong with people.And these ppl are profesionals??? Too scary IMO

[i_pickle]

I wonder what Misty's reaction was to Ron *lawyering* up, after all she said only guilty people need lawyers. (paraphrased as I can't recall her exact words). Those words just may come back and haunt her.

mooMisty is the first one that should've gotten a lawyer, IMO.

The whole case rests on her and her statements.

[crymeariver2006]

I have to disagree with you CandyK. I think it is very possible that Crystal was hooked on drugs and also an abused woman. Perhaps that is another method ronald used to control her, providing her with drugs.

I am not ready to call Crystal a liar and welcome this investigation, which I believe has relevance to the case of this missing child. imo.


You and I have both watched NG long enough to know that she does NOT KNOW when she is being lied to. Even if she finds out later, she never admits that she was fooled by anyone.

:wink:

[*Spike*]

HIs shift would have started at 4:30 p.m. and ended at 3:00 a.m.

JMO but another poster called DMB in reference to a job posting online and found out the shift times. The morning shift is 6:00 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. Both are 10 hour shifts. DMB also has a weekend shift Sat/Sun that is 6:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m.

thanks for that info on what time he went to work so now back to my question, i wonder if he left work after 7 pm to go home for some reason for a short time & then returned back to work.

[CC I See]

Not much new information in that article, it's been floating around for a couple of weeks. It didn't even mention his name.That's for sure.... I am more interested in the offenders in that circle of family and friends that had easy access to the home.

[Texas48]

I agree, It really upset me when I heard this last night on NG. I don't understand why some think leaving marks is normal. I am not saying Ron did this either, I am more upset at the "normal" punishment remark. It just makes me sad to think of little children being hit with sticks and who knows what and I guess it is ok. :sad:Hello jakee and good post. I would be willing to bet all on this board would feel the same. We agree or disagree to many things but on this It is my belief we would ALL agree. I may be proven wrong but that is MO.

[crymeariver2006]

And these ppl are profesionals??? Too scary IMO

Unfortunately, in all likelihood, DCF is going to reach the same conclusions that they have in the past. That hitting your children with sticks, switches, or belts and leaving marks in the process does not rise to the level of "child abuse" in Florida.

And there will be cheering from certain segments of the population. But, if Crystal was the one being accused of child abuse and had left one mark on either of the children.....well, I don't have to tell you what the reaction would have been.

JMO

[odyssey]

I have to disagree with you CandyK. I think it is very possible that Crystal was hooked on drugs and also an abused woman. Perhaps that is another method ronald used to control her, providing her with drugs.

I am not ready to call Crystal a liar and welcome this investigation, which I believe has relevance to the case of this missing child. imo.

He did not have to provide her with drugs. She lived in a "drug dwelling" with her mother about the time she met Ronald.

I have no problem with the investigation into child abuse. NO CHILD should be abused. It is bringing it to the MEDIA that is the problem.

jmo

[*Spike*]

Can anyone tell which marks are bruises from abuse or bruises from playing???

not sure from pictures or videos. i dont know how they can tell. i would think you would have to see it happen in person. i never understood how they can tell from pictures or videos.

[*Spike*]

Except in this case, LE is not twisting Misty's words. She does it every time she gets in front of a camera. And each time she adds little tidbits and the next day, LE brings her back in for more questioning.

:wink:

true so she better get herself a lawyer because she needs someone to tell her to quit talking.

[i_pickle]

He did not have to provide her with drugs. She lived in a "drug dwelling" with her mother about the time she met Ronald.

I have no problem with the investigation into child abuse. NO CHILD should be abused. It is bringing it to the MEDIA that is the problem.

jmoThe media is milking this for all it's worth. IMO, they added to the friction between these two families for ratings and for people like you and me to sit around and speculate about who is worse.

[Texas48]

I know the part of the interview you're talking about. Doesn't he sound childish when he says that? Check out his body language. YIKES!Yes I agree. I tend to watch ppls facial expressions/body language and so forth..not only in these cases but in my REAL LIFE.lol...I like to see peoples eyes when they are talking as I think you can also tell much about the person and what they are saying or not saying...KWIM..jmo

[psbperu]

This just burns me up. Thank goodness I didn't watch NG. Normal punishment??? Leaving marks on a baby's body is normal punishment? Are these people for real!!! :cursing:

==

Everyone, joining me tonight the attorney for the biological mother of Haleigh, Crystal Sheffield, who is launching physical abuse claims against the father. I want to move on from this photo, but very quickly to Eleanor Dixon who is a specialist, specializes in crime on women and children. You`ve seen all the photos.

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: Yes, I have.

GRACE: When I prosecuted abuse on children I would see cigarette burns, children in irreversible comas, severe bruising, child molestation, what do you make of these photos?

DIXON: Well, there are clearly linear marks that could have been made by a belt, a switch, anything like that, but honestly they`re not -- they don`t look that bad, Nancy. It looks like maybe normal punishment, at that.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/19/ng.01.html

I love the term "normal punishment" to describe spanking & hitting a child. What does that prove...that "you" are stronger & bigger.

We guide our children through their younger years by setting boundaries not by the example of striking them or spanking them.

We never laid a hand, belt, stick or anything else on our children...we used timeouts to reinforce whatever behavior we wanted to modify.
We got down to their level & talked to them, most of all we praised good behavior.

So for anyone who hits their child...and then their child either hits them back or hits another child per the "anyone"s" example..think twice about what you are teaching your children.

If the Cummings children were hit with a hand, stick or whatever .. it's unacceptable in my book.

[*Spike*]

I have been TRYING to keep up and I am still :confused:about who was is the house the night Haleigh went missing.


as far as i know there was the female relative who dropped off some clothes & a male worker of sorts there the day she went missing.

[CC I See]

Can anyone tell which marks are bruises from abuse or bruises from playing???No, you usually can't tell, that is why abusers get away with the abuse because they continually use this excuse.

[odyssey]

Well, yesterday I read here that if Ron did hit Haleigh on the back of her head, his poor hand probably would hurt because a skull is hard.

Blows my mind.

Is the positions represented in your posts so poor that you need to twist the words of others' posts to make a glib point?
see ya :seeya:

[i_pickle]

Well, yesterday I read here that if Ron did hit Haleigh on the back of her head, his poor hand probably would hurt because a skull is hard.

Blows my mind.Huh? Someone actually said that?

I don't understand some of his defenders at all. :confused: He's creepy, IMO <<<shudder>>>

[Texas48]

thats when i knew he was really guilty of the abuse claims. look at the way he answered the question. JMOIMO I could detect anger issues w/Ron from the start of this case. This of course does not make him guilty of anything and it is only my observation of him then and then several times after. Then you can tell he is trying to "calm himself" during several of the interviews..maybe at suggestion of his mother..??? JMO

[ishkabibble]

Regarding the injuries to Haleighs face, the school noted that she fell on the playground and scraped her face. I believe the black eye and the bruising developed as a result of that fall. It takes a while for the full effect of injuries to appear and then they begin to heal. I would think the school would have been concerned if the injuries looked as if they were no longer consistant with the original incident. Ron also stated that he took Haleigh back to hospital because he was concerned that the injuries may have been more severe then they were originally diagnosed.

As far as Jr is concerned, any discipline that leaves a bruise is out of line. Ron is wrong in that regard. But lets's get Haleigh back safely and then sort out any custody situation. Crystal has her issues too, she may not be any better of a parent.

[Texas48]

the problem is its not just the mother who is saying this about the father abusing his kids. other people are saying it too. the mother sounds like she was affraid of Ronald & maybe his family too & maybe wasnt very smart to know what to do. JMOI agree Spike. Crystal seems like a dog that has been beaten down and in no way am I saying she is a dog...its just a saying we have in the "deep" south. I also agree that Crystal did NOT know how to get help..many women don't...Her demeanor reminds me of a woman that has been "controlled and beaten down" as we say. Ron IMO appears to WANT to be the one in control. jmo

[i_pickle]

I am sorry what?

Moving on, that video of Misty being so confident about Haleigh wanting Misty to marry Ron, and she said they wanted her to be their Mom, I think there was a lot of parental alienation going on with Ron and Crystal and Misty. I personally think Ron is still so in love with Crystal.

JMO:rolleyes:Didn't he at one point ask Crystal to come back again? I know I heard or read that somewhere in the beginning when they were all living in tents.

[odyssey]

Wasn't ronald the only one working when they were together?

At some point she worked at wal-mart but i do not know if that was before or after she left ronald. other than that i don't know her work history except that she stopped working when she was pregnant and did not go back according to news articles where her mother was interviewed.

Also i'm pretty sure she was not living with Ronald until about 3 years into their relationship, when Haleigh was born.

jmoo

[crymeariver2006]

I am sorry what?

Moving on, that video of Misty being so confident about Haleigh wanting Misty to marry Ron, and she said they wanted her to be their Mom, I think there was a lot of parental alienation going on with Ron and Crystal and Misty. I personally think Ron is still so in love with Crystal.

JMO:rolleyes:

ITA on the parental alienation matter.

[*Spike*]

IMO I could detect anger issues w/Ron from the start of this case. This of course does not make him guilty of anything and it is only my observation of him then and then several times after. Then you can tell he is trying to "calm himself" during several of the interviews..maybe at suggestion of his mother..??? JMO

actually i could too. he's a controller of females. thats why he goes after the young girls. he's a sick person IMO. he's very abusive. if he abuses girls & women then i would bet he abuses very young children. JMO

[i_pickle]

Yes I agree. I tend to watch ppls facial expressions/body language and so forth..not only in these cases but in my REAL LIFE.lol...I like to see peoples eyes when they are talking as I think you can also tell much about the person and what they are saying or not saying...KWIM..jmoYes, I know exactly what you mean and watch it all the time. It speaks louder than words more often than not. :wink:

[Texas48]

Good Morning (:

I think this custody issue is exactly why Ron married Misty ... to rectify the situation before it became an issue in the Court

As far as the photos on the Art Harris site, I do not see abuse as much as just bumps and bruising from what could be from normal play but i will admit I did not see the interview where it was claimed he was hit with a stick?

And poor little Haleigh's face on the first photo could be exactly as claimed, a hard fall from the monkey bars?With respect I will disagree. The one photo of her little face was a mess. IF she occurred these injuries at school her face would have been a bloody mess. The cut on her nose would have caused very much blood(simply because it was on the nose) and if she hit that hard on the playground I would have expected that the school would have taken her to ER at that time. But..that just MO

[KKKKKKatie]

I found this on blink.com. Read the comments!

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/19/haleigh-cummings-case-ron-cummings-hires-attorneys/
Let Crystal have Jr.....Ron has a wife to raise (paraphrased)

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny! IMO

[Texas48]

Yes, it is a nationwide problem. But the problem is not just with child services, it's with lack of proper parenting skills to a large degree.

I'm an elementary school counselor. I've been in the same school for 11 years, and for the first few years I called the child abuse hotline only a handful of times. The last 3 or 4 years I've had to call so many times that it's just crazy. I've had to call for physical abuse, educational neglect, medical neglect, and sexual abuse. Now, with the economic ills, it's only going to get worse! jmo

(sorry for the rant)

I just hope they find Haleigh and see to it that Jr. is safe.
ITA and what a good post. And please....Rant all you want. it does the soul good. :thumbsup:

[Tia]

Didn't he at one point ask Crystal to come back again? I know I heard or read that somewhere in the beginning when they were all living in tents.

I think Crystal said it on NG.

[*Spike*]

I agree Spike. Crystal seems like a dog that has been beaten down and in no way am I saying she is a dog...its just a saying we have in the "deep" south. I also agree that Crystal did NOT know how to get help..many women don't...Her demeanor reminds me of a woman that has been "controlled and beaten down" as we say. Ron IMO appears to WANT to be the one in control. jmo

yep you are right on the money as some people say.

[Texas48]

I agree with the above.

Also, did Ron say he hit them with sticks? ...( not being rude here..honestly wondering if Ron admitted it)...If so, I will be shocked and that will completely change my mind.

I have a very hard time believing what Crystal say's. If she is telling the truth, she let Haleigh down. Not, as much as Ron..but, almost as much as Ron. I would have to be thrown in jail before I sent my child or grandchild ( my kids are grown now) to someone I thought was abusing them.

I know my grandson a few months back ( he is 2) was so excited trying to get in the bathtub while my daughter was getting his water ready, he slipped and fell against the toilet, he blacked his eye and it looked horrible for a long time.

I wish I would have counted the days, but who would have ever thought I would wonder how long a bruise would last.

I remember thinking, OMG..people that did not know my daughter would wonder about that black eye.
Morning horse...I believe it was Haleigh that said her daddy hit Jr. w/a stick...but of course..Haleigh is not here to back that up. JMO

[i_pickle]

I just got again, try this:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/19/haleigh-cummings-case-ron-cummings-hires-attorneys/Got it this time, thanks.

LOL @ #13. I agree in the beginning about Geraldo stirring the pot. I think the media is relishing the fight between the two families and they are definitely stirring the pot.

But the rest is, well, let's just say I disagree, especially the part about NG. Can't stand that woman and I doubt if Kim gives a damn about what the washed out prosecutor thinks.

[MrLucky917B]

With respect I will disagree. The one photo of her little face was a mess. IF she occurred these injuries at school her face would have been a bloody mess. The cut on her nose would have caused very much blood(simply because it was on the nose) and if she hit that hard on the playground I would have expected that the school would have taken her to ER at that time. But..that just MO

Does anyone have a screen capture of the photo that GR had shown, is this the same picture?

[*Spike*]

Morning horse...I believe it was Haleigh that said her daddy hit Jr. w/a stick...but of course..Haleigh is not here to back that up. JMO

who said Haleigh said that ? is there a link ?

[CC I See]

I am sorry what?

Moving on, that video of Misty being so confident about Haleigh wanting Misty to marry Ron, and she said they wanted her to be their Mom, I think there was a lot of parental alienation going on with Ron and Crystal and Misty. I personally think Ron is still so in love with Crystal.
JMO:rolleyes:.... he has a strange way of showing it but you may be right.

[i_pickle]

Yes, I'll go along with that.

But what excuse is there for people who think there is abuse and do nothing about it???
jmoThey reported it. Crystal and Marie. Nothing was done by DFC.

[Peaches]

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt and for the life of me, I cannot figure out who or what happened to Haleigh. HOWEVER...as a mother, if I were the non-custodial parent and my children came for visitation with bruises or anything that would make me think my children were being abused....there is no way that I would return them to the father. Let him call the police and try to get the kids away from me and confront the issue right there and then. One of the roles of a parent is to PROTECT your children. How could she send those kids back to their dad if she suspected that they were being abused. I just dont buy what she is selling.
Ron's timing for getting married doesnt make sense to me and
Crystal's timing of these allegations doesnt make sense to me either

While reading this morning, your post is the ONLY one I agree with.

Crystal's step-mother is a RN and took pictures of HaLeigh after the fall at school from the monkey bars. She should have reported to PD if she thought abuse had accured. She is required by law to do this. moo Also, I know that our school system no longer allowed monkey bars on playgrounds because of accidents/injuries.

I think that these pictures being shown are ONLY due to the accident at school.

The bruses on Ron, Jr. look like many bruses children obtain while playing.

MOO is that Ron had nothing to do with the disappearance of his daughter. I think he is being judged harshly.

While Crystal is being given a pass for being a hands off parent. What mother would move 2 hours away from her children. What mother would think 4 days out of the month is enough time to spend with her children. And, although she had many rights with her children, she never called/asked the school questions until after HaLeigh went missing. Why no interest??????????????

You can not tell me that it is her age/education. Many parents I know were parents and had little education but were/are good parents.........they had time for their children. They made sure they were in school, the played sports, they went to church as a family, etc.


BTW..........Crystal is now 23. She is old enough to take responsibility for her own actions. She is no baby. She chose to bring into this world 3 lovely children. She owes these children more than she has given 2 of them ....moo

Also, she needs to quit putting all her sins onto Ron..............Ron is only 2 years older than Crystal. It seems that Crystal wants someone else blamed for all her bad choices................I for one do not buy this!

As always..............moo

[Texas48]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4718.msg729401#msg729401

On another site, someone took the time to come up with this calendar.

Lots of unexcused absences around the alledged monkey bars incident. If the school knew of Haleigh's fall, why didn't they excuse her not being in school?

mooThank you for the link as always Sw...Looking at the photo of her face it is MO that had to be a really hard fall at school. There would have been alot of blood and the school/her parent would have/should have taken her to ER that day. From the day of monkey bar incident and time the photo was taken and her little face was still pretty bad. I can imagine what it was like at time of incident but thats just MO

[crymeariver2006]

Yes, I'll go along with that.

But what excuse is there for people who think there is abuse and do nothing about it???
jmo

What, other than reporting to DCF, should they have done?

DCF investigates, says it's "natural discipline", case closed.

LE's not going to overrule that finding.

What should they have done?

Crystal thought it was abuse and she reported it. She got nowhere.

What should she have done differently?

[*Spike*]

Ron is punishing Crystal for leaving him by taking her kids away, now it can be argued the courts did that, whatever, Ron has no respect for the woman who gave him his beautiful children, he would rather erase her and let a new fertile teen take her place. Why couldnt Ron have put the children first and let Crystal have as much contact with her kids as possible? Did he really need the courts? This has been a power struggle since the day Crystal escaped from her abuser, how dare she leave Ron!!

He is not some excellent catch, he was out mud bogging the other night, it must be nice to be so carefree when your child is missing, probably dead, or in real bad shape, his behavior on every level is not normal anyway you slice it. Are some forgetting he married a child and jetted to NY, when once again, his child could be getting raped and beat, but Ron only cares about Ron.

Its disgusting. So was his Ms. Nancy crap.

i agree & the Ms. Nancy stuff was over the top. i bet nancy buys it tho. i like her tho but i dont like her sometimes.

[Texas48]

You and I have both watched NG long enough to know that she does NOT KNOW when she is being lied to. Even if she finds out later, she never admits that she was fooled by anyone.

:wink:ITA cry...and especially that she will NEVER admit it. And just an added note...I have watched NG since day 1 her show aired. jmo

[?noanswer]

Wow, that's interesting. I wonder what this means;

"Though Ronald Cummings stands by her, the firm "has decided it is best to only represent ronald and not Misty, because of their different respective legal positions.""

What different perspective legal positions?

My guess would be that they are representing Ron in the custody issue. The issue fo Missy, according to LE, is her inconsistencies. I do not find it unusual that attornies only represent one party. IIRC, in the KC case, Nejames would not represent KC, only the A's. Also Lee has a different atty. than his parents. JMO

[*Spike*]

Yes, I'll go along with that.

But what excuse is there for people who think there is abuse and do nothing about it???
jmo

some people just ignore it for whatever reason. thats not right but that doesnt mean the abuse didnt happen.

[Texas48]

Unfortunately, in all likelihood, DCF is going to reach the same conclusions that they have in the past. That hitting your children with sticks, switches, or belts and leaving marks in the process does not rise to the level of "child abuse" in Florida.

And there will be cheering from certain segments of the population. But, if Crystal was the one being accused of child abuse and had left one mark on either of the children.....well, I don't have to tell you what the reaction would have been.

JMOITA cry...and it will be very difficult for DCF to admit they did NOT investigate long and hard enough.jmo

[CC I See]

On one of the shows yesterday, Kim Picazio made the point that there are other more graphic photos that she turned over to DCAF Services.

I agree with you about the injury sustained on the school grounds, if it was as bad as revealed in the photo then she would have been in an ambulance and on her way to the hospital, imo.

...you are so right with this assumption. Falling like this could have been very serious and to send her back to class without being checked out would have been negligent.

Most posters have read the news where Natasha Richardson fell skiing and sustain head injuries and later died. She did not have a scratch on her.

[*Spike*]

They reported it. Crystal and Marie. Nothing was done by DFC.

i can believe that about nothing being done. i saw that happen with some people i have known in my past & we all knew the abuse was going on but they still got to keep their kids & nothing happened to the adults.

[Texas48]

as far as i know there was the female relative who dropped off some clothes & a male worker of sorts there the day she went missing.
Yes..that was Ron's ggm and the worker was a/c man..

[?noanswer]

New Information Uncovered In Haleigh Cummings Investigation

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Information-Uncovered-In-Haleigh-Cummings/aRtpMDSdH0Gw3zdQ5NJSMw.cspx


The title to that article is misleading. It just says there is another SO they have interviewed. At the end it says they have no evidence he is connected to Haleigh's disappearance. JMO

[Texas48]

No, you usually can't tell, that is why abusers get away with the abuse because they continually use this excuse.In abuse cases how many times have we heard "the child fell"...the child tripped....on and on..??? jmo

[i_pickle]

If you could see me when I get started, then going by your post, you would think I was a mass murderer. And no, I have never murdered anyone. LOLI doubt if I would think that. :smile: I'm pretty good @ reading people. Many years of trial and error has taught me that I should listen to my gut.

Watching people's facial expressions, eyes, body movements, etc. speaks to my gut.

[Former Juror]

I have three very active children. The oldest is 7. None of my children have ever had marks like Haleigh and Jr., especially the one of Haleigh's face. A few bruises here and there and one busted lip after a fall? Yes. But, those lines across Haleigh's arm?? They are disturbing. They indicate abuse, IMO.

I'll never forget what a nurse told me one time, after my oldest fell off the bed as a baby. He said, "It isn't hard for us to tell the difference between an accident and abuse." And, that's exactly what I thought when I looked at those pictures. It isn't that hard to tell.

IMOOC

[Texas48]

No, someone didn't actually say that. The poster is twisting the words that were posted.IIRC it was Crystal's cousin that stated she saw Ron "back hand" Haleigh. jmo

[taylor63]

I have not really formed an opinion one way or another as to the mother's charges that Haleigh, and her baby brother were ever abused as I have not followed this case as most of you have.

I do believe the father might have a bad temper, as I heard him on the 911 call. Yes,I understand he was traumitized over his child missing,but why curse his poor girlfriend who was just as traumitized?

I do think this is very sad, because although I would certainly not want the little boy to stay in the home if his dad really is abusing him. I do think this takes the focus off of finding Haleigh and that's by far the most important issue at hand.

I just find it ironic though,and no offense,but some of the very people who are so hellbent on defending the father in this case, and are angry that he is being smeared.

Had no problem whatsoever smearing a dead man because he allegedly abused his wife, who shot him in the back while he slept in their bed,after which she pulled the phone plug out of the wall so he could not call 911.

As I remember at least there was far less evidence of abuse in that case than there is in this one.

[i_pickle]

i can believe that about nothing being done. i saw that happen with some people i have known in my past & we all knew the abuse was going on but they still got to keep their kids & nothing happened to the adults.Sadly, I think it happens more than we'd like to think.

[crymeariver2006]

And Crystal should absolutely be believed???

I do think, IIRC, that Crystal did go back to Ron, and then left, without her kids.
jmo

Huh? Crystal says on NG that she did go back to Ron but left again - you ask if she should be believed.

You "think" that Crystal did go back to Ron and then left - so is she believed or not about this?

[CC I See]

Do you think Ron or someone in his family deliberately gave Haleigh bad food??? If so, for what ungodly reason.
jmo.... and don't forget about the near drowning at age 3. Just one more reason that she needed special attention since she also had serious health needs. So in all of this drama, who was giving it to her?

[?noanswer]

Yes, it is a nationwide problem. But the problem is not just with child services, it's with lack of proper parenting skills to a large degree.

I'm an elementary school counselor. I've been in the same school for 11 years, and for the first few years I called the child abuse hotline only a handful of times. The last 3 or 4 years I've had to call so many times that it's just crazy. I've had to call for physical abuse, educational neglect, medical neglect, and sexual abuse. Now, with the economic ills, it's only going to get worse! jmo

(sorry for the rant)

I just hope they find Haleigh and see to it that Jr. is safe.

You are so right on about this. I think another reason that too many children are born, not because someone wants them, but in the heat of the moment and no one thinking of the consequences or the responsibility that having children brings. There are a few organizations that are trying to educate people in this area, but I think there are far more that are screaming about taking away peoples rights. JMO

[n/t]

WOW, I can't believe you wouldn't think a child falling from the MONKEY BARS could do such damage and how the blot clots with the bruising. I hate to see any child with any kind of injury. You must have been the most fortunate mom as having three boys, I have seen it all and had my child tell the ambulance driver to take care of his mom, because he thought I couldn't handle it.

Whether it was swinging from our dining room chandelier and stitches galore while I was in the laundry room or having a bone sticking out of a leg, kids can get some horrific injuries HAVING FUN in their opinion.

Even Kim looked a bit embarrassed that she had been pedaling them as abuse IMO. She has been dressed down by one of the best from my POV. :blushing: jmo



Apparently, from reading NG transcripts and the alleged school nurse report, the report stated that she had a scratch on the cheek from the falling off the monkey bar. How did a scratch on the cheek turn out to be what we see in the photo? IIRC, 3 days later they take her to ER and they decide to do a scan?

I'm not buying that those injuries were from a fall.

[*Spike*]

In abuse cases how many times have we heard "the child fell"...the child tripped....on and on..??? jmo

1000s of times too many.

[i_pickle]

Apparently, from reading NG transcripts and the alleged school nurse report, the report stated that she had a scratch on the cheek from the falling off the monkey bar. How did a scratch on the cheek turn out to be what we see in the photo? IIRC, 3 days later they take her to ER and they decide to do a scan?

I'm not buying that those injuries were from a fall.I'm not buying it either. I believe she fell at school and was beaten later.

[Texas48]

They documented it with photos and reported it to child services, which did nothing. imo.
Exactly Jo..DCF has been involved w/this family for past year. jmo

[MrLucky917B]

The title to that article is misleading. It just says there is another SO they have interviewed. At the end it says they have no evidence he is connected to Haleigh's disappearance. JMO

It's just like a lot of headlines lately, looks like the mainstream media is becoming more like the tabloids. CNN ran a banner and promos Sunday saying " New search turns up evidence in Haleigh Cummings case?" watch NG monday night, then comes monday and NG doesn't even mention the search.

[i_pickle]

Exactly Jo..DCF has been involved w/this family for past year. jmoBecause Ron is such a loving father, no doubt. :glare:

[CC I See]

In abuse cases how many times have we heard "the child fell"...the child tripped....on and on..??? jmo.... people do drop the ball until it is too late, sometimes. I posted this link about a local abuse case in my city earlier and doing so again. People knew but did nothing. Either the child dies or goes missing .... and sometimes the are rescued from their torment.

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10038160&nav=menu192_2

[Texas48]

who said Haleigh said that ? is there a link ?
Let me try and find it.

[AmndaRcknwth]

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/19/do-exclusive-haleigh-cummings-pix-prove-abuse/#more-1290

From this link:

Her stepmother says she was suspicious because there were no abrasions on the hands or knees, as there might be if you were to try to stop a fall, nor any wrist injuries. “When most people fall, they try to brace themselves,” she told me. “I was concerned because I noticed there was still dried blood in her nose, her nose was so swollen, it looked crooked. I didn’t know if it was broken.”

Looking back, she now says those injuries didn’t reflect the school nurse’s notes of a minor cut on the nose, and that such “significant” injuries would always be documented “to make sure there were no facial fractures, jaw injuries, head trauma. Then she didn’t go to school for three days after that.”

Crystal says these and other photos posted exclusively at The Bald Truth show welts and bruises to Haleigh’s brother, Junior., as well.

She says she asked the kids why Junior had welts on his legs and bruises on his arm. “Haleigh said, ‘Daddy hit him with a stick,” something Ronald denies.

After that incident, Crystal demanded child services visit Ronald’s home, and as reported here earlier, they found no wrongdoing, concluding any discipline was within the law.

But with Picazio’s claims of other witnesses to Junior’s abuse, she’s now demanding another investigation, and met with the Department of Children and Families on Tuesday and urged them to look into new allegations of abuse at the Cummings’ home.


People, read.

I have seen posts saying "Crystal should have___".

Well, the woman tried. Several ties she tried, but since she did not have the money for lawyer, the money for court filings, she was blown off. In FL, as in most states, the DCF has a pathetic record.

The photos -to me- look a lot like normal kids at play (except the injury from school) but they should definitely be looked into, given what Haleigh claimed.

If Ron is superdad, then fine. He retains custody.

Personally, I think these two were irresponsible bringing children into a druggie environment.

[Texas48]

Thats funny. I have said Crystal is still in love with Ron.
jmoNow this is really funny because I think both of you are right and it something I have never thought of....

[i_pickle]

It's just like a lot of headlines lately, looks like the mainstream media is becoming more like the tabloids. CNN ran a banner and promos Sunday saying " New search turns up evidence in Haleigh Cummings case?" watch NG monday night, then comes monday and NG doesn't even mention the search.I saw that and watched with baited breath which was very painful to me because I can't stomach NG, and you're right! Nada was mentioned about anything that CNN was claiming.

The media today is shameless, IMO. :thumbdown:

[?noanswer]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4718.msg729401#msg729401

On another site, someone took the time to come up with this calendar.

Lots of unexcused absences around the alledged monkey bars incident. If the school knew of Haleigh's fall, why didn't they excuse her not being in school?

moo

I didn't go to that link, but another site has a copy of a Dr's. excuse for 3 of those days. She actually went to the DR. twice for this same injury. I don't know if there was an excuse for both times or not. Also there is a copy of her attendance record. 10 of the days that is marked "absenct" are for 10 days after she disappeared. JMO

[5swab5]

(snipped for space only)

I think that these pictures being shown are ONLY due to the accident at school.

The bruses on Ron, Jr. look like many bruses children obtain while playing.

(snipped for space)

BTW..........Crystal is now 23. She is old enough to take responsibility for her own actions. She is no baby. She chose to bring into this world 3 lovely children. She owes these children more than she has given 2 of them ....moo

Also, she needs to quit putting all her sins onto Ron..............Ron is only 2 years older than Crystal. It seems that Crystal wants someone else blamed for all her bad choices................I for one do not buy this!

As always..............moo


THANK YOU!
:beer:

[n/t]

Neither am I. Black eyes appearing after a few days, maybe. Further contusions and cuts and scrapes. No. One scratch that the school reported morphed into a face of possible broken nose, wounds, and a necessary ER descision to do a cat scan. I am curious if the ER docter reported these injuries to DCF.

moo

IIRC from the transcripts I read this morning....NO they did not because they told the ER doctor that it was from a fall off of the monkey bars!

Incredible!

[Texas48]

If thats the case, what do you think about Crystals mom??? If I may ask. Because to me, shes the one who looks controlling.
jmoOf course you may ask doneit....And I believe you are right about the mom being controlling but that does not take away the fact that IMO Ron is controlling.

[north-eh]

Good morning fellow justice seekers!
I have been a member here for a while now and haven't posted much since the Drew Peterson case, but I simply had to have my say in what I think was an absolutely appalling statement made by Eleanor Dixon last night on nancy Grace.
What the heck was she thinking and why oh why didn't Nancy step in, Ron is NOT the victim here, seems Nancy and Co. are all on his side here, that's obvious.
I sent her another email voicing my anger at that bold statement, but I'm sure it won't matter. I have always been a stonch supporter of Nancy Grace and her show, but as of last night I see her in a whole different light.
Shame on you Nancy for what you let slip by you last night, shame...shame.
:thumbdown:


Hoping and praying for little Haleigh's safe return.

N

[CC I See]

IIRC from the transcripts I read this morning....NO they did not because they told the ER doctor that it was from a fall off of the monkey bars!

Incredible!.... and it might have been but it doesn't excuse Ron Jr. injuries. What did he fall off of?

[Texas48]

Misty has only been in the picture for the last 6/7 months. Ron has had his kids for what, 4 yrs or so.

Also, in your last sentence, I think you might have put the wrong name in there.
jmo Was it in the custody agreement that Ron and children would be living w/TN? If one moves or changes recidence does that person need to notify the courts?

[i_pickle]

The thing thats bothering me is where is the proof?? What exactly is the proof that it is abuse, KWIM??? Anyone can call an abuse center, does not mean there was abuse. And yes, I do believe if someone believes there is abuse anywhere, call someone. Let it be checked out. No harm, no foul.
jmoThat's exactly what Kim intends to do...ask that it be checked out, yet her and Crystal are trashed for it. Why?

[iluvmua]

I'm not buying the whole SO thing anymore, I think Ron and Misty know way more than they are telling.

also, do SO take thier victims across state lines usually or do they usually harm/kill thier victims close to where they were abducted?

[?noanswer]

Except in this case, LE is not twisting Misty's words. She does it every time she gets in front of a camera. And each time she adds little tidbits and the next day, LE brings her back in for more questioning.

:wink:

I have been trying to figure out what the discrepancies are.

Is it the timeline. If so would 30 min. one way or another explain why Haleigh is gone? Is it the bed story? If so, would the bed she was in explain why she was gone? Is it because there have been reports of Misty being away from the house? If so, have they verified this. If they have verified this, would her being out of the house explain why Haleigh is missing. (Her not being there could have given someone the opportunity to come into the trailer especially if she forgot to lock the door.) Have they verified the last time someone other than Misty saw her. I know the ggma says she was there at 7 and had brought some clothes that she washed. Have they found those clothes in the trailer? Misty says she washed two blankets. Are there two blankets there and did they smell like they have recently been washed? I don't know what all Misty has told LE. The things I mentioned above are things I have seen reported in the media. From the media, it seems they have eleminated the van as being part of the missing. Have they found any unknown fingerprints/dna inside the trailer? Did the cinder block match the other ones they found around the trailer? There are probably other things I am missing. The other possibility I am thinking about is maybe LE is using Misty as an excuse because they cannot figure out anything. I find that hard to believe. If they have not come up with any evidence, then someone must have been wearing gloves or something. JMO

[i_pickle]

I'm not buying the whole SO thing anymore, I think Ron and Misty know way more than they are telling.

also, do SO take thier victims across state lines usually or do they usually harm/kill thier victims close to where they were abducted?I haven't bought the whole SO thing since LE announced that they were interviewed and cleared. That was early on, IIRC. LE seems to be focused on Misty and Ron, or someone connected to them and so am I.

[*Spike*]

From this link:

Her stepmother says she was suspicious because there were no abrasions on the hands or knees, as there might be if you were to try to stop a fall, nor any wrist injuries. “When most people fall, they try to brace themselves,” she told me. “I was concerned because I noticed there was still dried blood in her nose, her nose was so swollen, it looked crooked. I didn’t know if it was broken.”

Looking back, she now says those injuries didn’t reflect the school nurse’s notes of a minor cut on the nose, and that such “significant” injuries would always be documented “to make sure there were no facial fractures, jaw injuries, head trauma. Then she didn’t go to school for three days after that.”

Crystal says these and other photos posted exclusively at The Bald Truth show welts and bruises to Haleigh’s brother, Junior., as well.

She says she asked the kids why Junior had welts on his legs and bruises on his arm. “Haleigh said, ‘Daddy hit him with a stick,” something Ronald denies.

After that incident, Crystal demanded child services visit Ronald’s home, and as reported here earlier, they found no wrongdoing, concluding any discipline was within the law.

But with Picazio’s claims of other witnesses to Junior’s abuse, she’s now demanding another investigation, and met with the Department of Children and Families on Tuesday and urged them to look into new allegations of abuse at the Cummings’ home.


People, read.

I have seen posts saying "Crystal should have___".

Well, the woman tried. Several ties she tried, but since she did not have the money for lawyer, the money for court filings, she was blown off. In FL, as in most states, the DCF has a pathetic record.

The photos -to me- look a lot like normal kids at play (except the injury from school) but they should definitely be looked into, given what Haleigh claimed.

If Ron is superdad, then fine. He retains custody.

Personally, I think these two were irresponsible bringing children into a druggie environment.

i believe that if Haleigh really said that about her daddy hitting Jr with a stick that it was really true.

[?noanswer]

I agree Spike. Crystal seems like a dog that has been beaten down and in no way am I saying she is a dog...its just a saying we have in the "deep" south. I also agree that Crystal did NOT know how to get help..many women don't...Her demeanor reminds me of a woman that has been "controlled and beaten down" as we say. Ron IMO appears to WANT to be the one in control. jmo

I don't understand how Crystal got to this point if her mother was involved in her life then as much as she seems to be now. I am wondering if this situation is like many others. Parents use children to punish each other. JMO

[Peaches]

IMO I think that a stranger took Haleigh. Sadly I think LE has NOTHING and they seem stuck on family members. Crystal is a piece of work. I think all of this is doing nothing in finding Haleigh and bringing her home.


Thank you for posting this am................

Focus needs to get back on find HaLeigh..................not all this junk Crystal is sharing with the entire world.

IF.....................she feared for Ron, Jr., it should have been handled in private instead of yelling from the top of her lungs.

BTW...........we hear nothing about her bf or her daughter lately. Where are they? Who is taking care of her daughter?

On NG, MOO is that Crystal just looked defiant............nothing else..........especially not worried about Ron, Jr. or HaLeigh.

Crystal...............this is about your daughter...........help find HaLeigh!

moo

[playnice]

Neither am I. Black eyes appearing after a few days, maybe. Further contusions and cuts and scrapes. No. One scratch that the school reported morphed into a face of possible broken nose, wounds, and a necessary ER descision to do a cat scan. I am curious if the ER docter reported these injuries to DCF.

moo

PICAZIO: On the 16th -- on the 12th, she went to the ER. And on the 16th, she still looked like this from a scratch on the playground?

GRACE: Well, it doesn`t say actually just that. It says a cut on the nose at the playground. And I have documentation that the school did not report this to DFACS.

[i_pickle]

And thats what I go on, gut instincts, until proven wrong.

People who don't know me have called me the biggest b!tch around. Then as they were around me more, well, lets just say I have had those same friends for over 30 some years. Hope you get what I am trying to say.
jmoWatch the b-word. I just got a reprieve from band camp for quoting Ron's comment about Misty using the dreaded b-word. It had quotes around it and everything and I was locked out for bad language. :cursing:

But I ain't mad :biggrin: I'm just sayin...and, yeah, I know what you're saying.

[caphill]

Didn't say that...ER report says ECOLI, just pointing out there have been so many accidents at this household concerning these children. What mother would not want her child removed


I didn't know were "so many accidents" in that Household. Is this another rumor being started or is there a link to info of the "so many accidents at this household.

There is current info about the accident at school that is documented. Do you info about other accidents?

[*Spike*]

From this link:

Her stepmother says she was suspicious because there were no abrasions on the hands or knees, as there might be if you were to try to stop a fall, nor any wrist injuries. “When most people fall, they try to brace themselves,” she told me. “I was concerned because I noticed there was still dried blood in her nose, her nose was so swollen, it looked crooked. I didn’t know if it was broken.”

Looking back, she now says those injuries didn’t reflect the school nurse’s notes of a minor cut on the nose, and that such “significant” injuries would always be documented “to make sure there were no facial fractures, jaw injuries, head trauma. Then she didn’t go to school for three days after that.”

Crystal says these and other photos posted exclusively at The Bald Truth show welts and bruises to Haleigh’s brother, Junior., as well.

She says she asked the kids why Junior had welts on his legs and bruises on his arm. “Haleigh said, ‘Daddy hit him with a stick,” something Ronald denies.

After that incident, Crystal demanded child services visit Ronald’s home, and as reported here earlier, they found no wrongdoing, concluding any discipline was within the law.

But with Picazio’s claims of other witnesses to Junior’s abuse, she’s now demanding another investigation, and met with the Department of Children and Families on Tuesday and urged them to look into new allegations of abuse at the Cummings’ home.


People, read.

I have seen posts saying "Crystal should have___".

Well, the woman tried. Several ties she tried, but since she did not have the money for lawyer, the money for court filings, she was blown off. In FL, as in most states, the DCF has a pathetic record.

The photos -to me- look a lot like normal kids at play (except the injury from school) but they should definitely be looked into, given what Haleigh claimed.

If Ron is superdad, then fine. He retains custody.

Personally, I think these two were irresponsible bringing children into a druggie environment.

oh & thanks for the link.

[5swab5]

(respectfully snipped)
As for Ecoli, wasn't there a scare about food in supermarkets or restaurants that had ecoli? Maybe she ate a dinner from the grocery store, or went out to eat and got it there. I seriously doubt anyone "poisoned" her. I could be wrong about the ecoli, so I am going to research it.

JMO

No kidding, in the last few years, we have had burgers, spinach, peanut butter and even alfalfa sprouts. People DIED! Taking Haleigh to the hospital is to his credit for heaven's sake. MOO

[?noanswer]

Does anyone have a screen capture of the photo that GR had shown, is this the same picture?

No screen capture, but when I saw the video of GR, he never held the picture still. Was just waving it around, but I think it is probably the same picture. To me the picture does not look that bad. Haleigh does not seem to be hurting/upset. She has that sweet smile as I have seen in other pictures. JMO

[taylor63]

Neither am I. Black eyes appearing after a few days, maybe. Further contusions and cuts and scrapes. No. One scratch that the school reported morphed into a face of possible broken nose, wounds, and a necessary ER descision to do a cat scan. I am curious if the ER docter reported these injuries to DCF.

moo

A couple of years ago,when I had just woken up from a nap,I bumped into a wall very hard. I was swollen pretty bad for a day,but the real bruising only showed up the next day, and lasted for a week.

So I do think it's possible the bruise on Haleigh,could have come from her fall. Of course,I am not a medical person, so I wouldn't know for sure.

What really concerns me is that the mom and her mother reported there suspicions of the dad being abusive to DCF before Haleigh was kidnapped, and the exgirlfriend also supposedly reported abuse to the DCF, and what about all these people coming out of the woodwork who the lawyer claims saw Mr.Cummings abuse these kids?

I don't understand how people who are so quick to defend the dad can just dismiss these people's claims, what possible reason would they have to lie?

[5swab5]

I could have sworn I heard that as well. You are not alone...

Me too. MOO

[heidi]

:cursing:QUOTE=momofamarine;12912621]http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031909haleigh_cummings_investigation[/QUOTE]

I heard misty visited this man and went there to use his computer.He supposedly photographed young girls for a web site.Someone please check this out.Also ron and misty were both friends with him:mad:

[?noanswer]

Thank you for the link as always Sw...Looking at the photo of her face it is MO that had to be a really hard fall at school. There would have been alot of blood and the school/her parent would have/should have taken her to ER that day. From the day of monkey bar incident and time the photo was taken and her little face was still pretty bad. I can imagine what it was like at time of incident but thats just MO

She was taken to the ER the day of the accident. Bruises usually do not show up immediately. She was also taken back to the ER about 6 days later because her father was concerned that something had been missed during the first visit. If ER suspected abuse, they were required to report it. JMO

[teresa]

I could have sworn I heard that as well. You are not alone...

Crystal's attorney said they went on the 6th and then again on the 12th.

As I've said before, I have a picture of myself sitting on Santa's knee and my eyes are far worse than Haleigh's. I fell off my tricycle. Last summer, I walked into a concrete wall and scrapped my cheek. By the next day, my eyes were black and I looked like I'd gone a few rounds with Mike Tyson. The black and purple do not appear the minute you get hurt. They gradually get worse and then get a yellowish tinge as they start to heal. I walked into that wall my first hour of a 10 day vacation and I still had the bruises when I returned home. I guess I'm lucky that I was there with my daughter and not my husband or he would have been reported for abuse.

The ER doc saw her on the 6th and on the 12th. No one reported this. It's all a conspiracy to let Ron get away with beating a little girl.

[Tia]

I'm not buying the whole SO thing anymore, I think Ron and Misty know way more than they are telling.

also, do SO take thier victims across state lines usually or do they usually harm/kill thier victims close to where they were abducted?


ITA. There is much more going on with them then they are letting us know. I have a weird feeling that the marriage has something to do with it to, like "I will cover for you, but you need to marry me".....I dunno, could be way off!!!


JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

She was taken to the ER the day of the accident. Bruises usually do not show up immediately. She was also taken back to the ER about 6 days later because her father was concerned that something had been missed during the first visit. If ER suspected abuse, they were required to report it. JMO

I thought he took her to the ER because she had Ecoli and it was the ER doc that called for the cat-scan because of her injuries????

[?noanswer]

IIRC it was Crystal's cousin that stated she saw Ron "back hand" Haleigh. jmo


Was that the one that told it to GR? If so, did you see her turn and look at Crystal after that with a big grin on her face as if to say "Boy I did good on that". JMO

[Peaches]

I agree with the above.

Also, did Ron say he hit them with sticks? ...( not being rude here..honestly wondering if Ron admitted it)...If so, I will be shocked and that will completely change my mind.

I have a very hard time believing what Crystal say's. If she is telling the truth, she let Haleigh down. Not, as much as Ron..but, almost as much as Ron. I would have to be thrown in jail before I sent my child or grandchild ( my kids are grown now) to someone I thought was abusing them.

I know my grandson a few months back ( he is 2) was so excited trying to get in the bathtub while my daughter was getting his water ready, he slipped and fell against the toilet, he blacked his eye and it looked horrible for a long time.

I wish I would have counted the days, but who would have ever thought I would wonder how long a bruise would last.

I remember thinking, OMG..people that did not know my daughter would wonder about that black eye.


Good Morning Horse!

I agree with your post 100%!

MOO ------------- Crystal may have gotten older and realizes that she did move too far away from her children.............and that she has not taken care of them as a mother should.

But, then again, Crystal refuses to take responsibility for her own mistakes. She blames most of them on Ron although they were both teenagers at the time. Even Crystal's attorney tried to blame Ron for Crystal's drug use. This is unreal.

Crystal has a family who love and support her................ she made her own choices..............

Anyway, as a mother, I know that there is no way in heqq that I would ever leave my children. I would be near to make sure that they were taken care of.................not hours away! I would spend all my time and money trying to get my children/see my children...........not moving on with a man.

moo

[i_pickle]

Is that you, Picazio? :rolleyes:Nope.

Matt Saffer, FOX 30 Jacksonville

[Texas48]

From what I remember, yes. And after that happened with the alleged backhand, what happened??? Nothing. So if, IF, it did happen, they all dropped the ball on these kids.
jmo
If memory servs me right (don't count on that though) Crystal was told about incident after Haleigh went missing.

[Texas48]

Ron, beat his child with a stick.


Who does that? Who thinks roughing up little kids is ok? It seriously boggles my mind that anyone thinks thats ok.Well.....acoording to Fl. its OK to disipline with a stick/belt...That is what I read earlier. JMO

[?noanswer]

I thought he took her to the ER because she had Ecoli and it was the ER doc that called for the cat-scan because of her injuries????


I got lost and did not understand what the Ecoli was about. Seems like Crystal's atty. brought it up, but I have not seen anything that verifies this. That atty. does not seem to be able to hold her own as others I have seen. If she is like this in a courtroom, a good attorney will take her to the cleaners. JMO

JMO

[i_pickle]

If memory servs me right (don't count on that though) Crystal was told about incident after Haleigh went missing.That's what I thought too. IIRC, she said that people were telling her things about how Ron was abusing Haleigh when she got to Putnam Co. In fact, that's why I think things went south between the two families. At first I think they tried to put their differences aside for Haleigh's sake. But after she started hearing things from the locals she started to worry about jr.

Who could blame her?

[teresa]

And therein is the problem. Isn't the school supposed to keep documentation of chilren's injuries?

moo

They did. The school report says cut not scratch.

[*Spike*]

We hear from Kim P***(I don't know how to spell her last name) that there are people coming out of the woodwork, but she only says Crystal's mom, her step mom...basically everyone backing up Crystal. The attorney does not say, Joe Shmo from the middle of the boondocks saw this abuse happen at a XYZ store. MY point is to have credibility, these accusations need to be made by independent witnesses, and as of this moment, they haven't actually named any...

JMO

and they probably wont name them for awhile for the safety of them.

[i_pickle]

Or because of every little nick and bruise someone calls DCAF????Do you think Ron has a violent side?

[daisywva]

I agree Jo...I think ALL child services have many problems and then it is always blamed on one thing or another when a child slips through the cracks and it is made public. I have to wounder HOW MANY is NOT made public? I'm not only saying this about Fl. as it is a problem nation wide. jmo

I agree. I do not trust any child enforcement protective service. They LIE when they say they are for the childs benefit. Thats just a bunch of crap. My granddaughter was beaten by her stepmother with a belt and left terrible bruises on her arms, neck, back and shoulder. I have pictures that were taken and when I show people and ask them what they think that would be called, everyone agrees that its "CHILD ABUSE".. But guess what the North Carolina Child System called it. They said it was "OVER DISCIPLINE". This happened a couple of years ago. And the child welfare system said the fathers,s rights had to be protected, that the children still had to there overnight weekend visits. They had to take parenting classes. The step-mother apparently had rights too. She told in court that she only tapped her with the belt. Judge did not believe her, but even so had to rule the children still had to go around her. The woman has by polar disorder. Not just mild, but severe enough that she has been put in mental hospitals off and for years. That dont matter, she, (JUST A STEP-MOTHER) has rights according to the North Carolina Child System. This took over a year to iron out in court. It was terrible. My daughter fit it all the way, but lost her appeal that her children not have to at least deal with this woman. That the Father take them on weekends but maybe not around her. But that was turned down. Its all over now, but I still fear for my grandaughters. Im not sure when this woman will snap again. My daughters Ex husband finally admitted to her that his wife just snapped that night and beat the child. He sat in a chair and watched this happen to her and denied it in court that the beating was severe. So people go ahead and believe that when the child protective service steps in that everything will be alright. It wont. They just muddy the water more. I dont know if Ron is guilty or not. But if he were it wouldnt matter. They will just call it something else. Sorry this post is so long, but when I get on this subject it fires my mouth up.

[KKKKKKatie]

I got lost and did not understand what the Ecoli was about. Seems like Crystal's atty. brought it up, but I have not seen anything that verifies this. That atty. does not seem to be able to hold her own as others I have seen. If she is like this in a courtroom, a good attorney will take her to the cleaners. JMO

JMO

True...I have only heard about the ecoli from Chrystal. I wish I know for sure if that is why he took her back in....and not the injuries.

[Texas48]

She was taken to the ER the day of the accident. Bruises usually do not show up immediately. She was also taken back to the ER about 6 days later because her father was concerned that something had been missed during the first visit. If ER suspected abuse, they were required to report it. JMO
I thought Ron took her to Er the last time because of stomach problems? I will go read somemore as I usually misread..lol

[i_pickle]

New poster Heidi is Matt Saffer? :huh: Why isn't he checking his sources about this to find Haleigh instead of posting on a message board? This is getting weirder by the second.Matt Saffer wrote the article in the link.

I have no idea why your asking if someone posting here is Kim. :confused:

[Texas48]

I thought the attny said she was brought to the ER because of the stomach virus(ecoli)
yes.....it was stomach and was NOT because Ron was CONCERNED about her little face. jmo

[playnice]

:cursing:QUOTE=momofamarine;12912621]http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031909haleigh_cummings_investigation

I heard misty visited this man and went there to use his computer.He supposedly photographed young girls for a web site.Someone please check this out.Also ron and misty were both friends with him:mad:[/QUOTE]

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office tells us they have questioned the man and reviewed records telling them where his ankle monitor was the night Haleigh disappeared. They say so far there is no evidence linking him to Haleigh’s abduction.


I didnt see that they were friends in that article. Would you please post a link to the article that info is in? TIA

[Texas48]

We hear from Kim P***(I don't know how to spell her last name) that there are people coming out of the woodwork, but she only says Crystal's mom, her step mom...basically everyone backing up Crystal. The attorney does not say, Joe Shmo from the middle of the boondocks saw this abuse happen at a XYZ store. MY point is to have credibility, these accusations need to be made by independent witnesses, and as of this moment, they haven't actually named any...

JMOJust a guess but I would not think any witnesses would WANT their name made public...even w/DCF is the same.

[*Spike*]

And how many times is it true????

probably not that many. thats the excuses abusers use. oh but he fell off the swing or out of the bed. yeah right.

[caphill]

According to that posters calendar Halieigh , between Nov. 5th and Dec 1, 3 excused absences, 5 unexcused, and one tardy. The *ten days after she went missing* are not calculated into the schools record as far as I can tell.

Bottom line, is around the 6th of Nov., Haleigh missed 8 days of school. For a scratch????

moo


IIRC she did not come back to school for 3 days after the fall. When she was sick and went back to Dr after the initial fall she was excused from school another 3 days.

My understanding was the second visit to the Dr's in Nov was her stomach virus. It would be reasonable to think the Dr's did a cat scan as a precautionary follow up to the school incident to determine she did not have a concussion. Throwing up and sick stomach after a fall can be symptomatic of concussion.

I took a fall 2 days ago and landed on my upper lip. The first day was red & swelling , yesterday the bruising was coming to the surface, today I look like I got hit with a baseball bat in that one area. Good news I didn't break any teeth and didn't split my lip. Point I am making is that it is common for bruising to look much worse a few days after an injury and I am a recent unfortunate example of that.

[crymeariver2006]

According to that posters calendar Halieigh , between Nov. 5th and Dec 1, 3 excused absences, 5 unexcused, and one tardy. The *ten days after she went missing* are not calculated into the schools record as far as I can tell.

Bottom line, is around the 6th of Nov., Haleigh missed 8 days of school. For a scratch????

moo

And the 3 Excused absences look like the result of the ER note for the 13th, 14, and 15th. (I believe those are the dates on the notes, don't have the link right in front of me right now, so IIRC.)

Excused absences are usually the ones where the student is sick and has a doctor's note.

What are the unexcused absences from? The tardies?

Whose job was it to get Haleigh to the bus stop or to the school on time?

Misty's?

Ron's?

Teresa's?

GGM Sykes?

[Texas48]

Just because a child goes missing does not mean there was abuse in the home...

One situation has nothing to do with the other. IF Ron had been home when Haleigh was abducted, I would not be saying the above, but the fact of the matter is he was not there, and that has been confirmed by LE.
I feel certain none of us will change our opinions on how/what we "believe." Your first sentence stood out to me...Just because a child goes missing does not mean there WAS NOT child abuse. It all is in the opinion of the poster. I do think now that this has been all over the media that DCF will get to the bottom of all. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Yikes!! Ron will *keep Misty around till Haleigh comes home*! And he is aware of Misty's sexual encounters with Greg!!

Nice beginning to a long and succusful marriage.
Man this case is crazy.




moo

What happens to Misty when Haleigh comes home?
:ohmy:

She might need a good divorce lawyer?

[Peaches]

.... and it might have been but it doesn't excuse Ron Jr. injuries. What did he fall off of?


His bike...........a scooter............fell over a toy left in the yard......./etc.

My gc are always getting bruses here and there. They play.......most are boys and they live up to the saying "all boy."

[Texas48]

Yikes!! Ron will *keep Misty around till Haleigh comes home*! And he is aware of Misty's sexual encounters with Greg!!

Nice beginning to a long and succusful marriage.
Man this case is crazy.




moolol..Sw..and we ONLY thought the last case and ppl was a doozie and then comes along this bunch. jmo of course

[*Spike*]

I would love to be a fly on the wall when Misty learns her position could be temporary.

moo

i used to be the fly on the wall but not anymore.

[Texas48]

No body really knows what goes on behind closed doors. Thats a good thing in some cases.
DON'T FALL off the board doneit but ITA w/you..:thumbsup:

[5boxersmom]

So the only picture they have of Haleigh being abused happens to be when she fell at school. Wouldn't the ER DR. have known if the bruises were fresh or old? Or an ER Nurse?

imo

[Motomom]

Well, yesterday I read here that if Ron did hit Haleigh on the back of her head, his poor hand probably would hurt because a skull is hard.

Blows my mind.

Don't twist words from yesterday!! If you had trouble understanding my first post about it, you should have read the 2nd or 3rd.. I explained what I met clearly.. sorry if you didn't get it.

[Texas48]

I would love to be a fly on the wall when Misty learns her position could be temporary.

moolol..she is probally standing in that OPEN door way just....waiting.

[i_pickle]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.phpHoly Cow! Police were called for a wellness check to see if Ron blew Misty's head off. :blink:

Bless Cobra's heart :wub: he may just crack this case.

[Motomom]

Thats funny. I have said Crystal is still in love with Ron.
jmo

I know I'm wayy behind and I apologise. I am also not in a good mood, comign here hasn't helped either :cursing:

Did you happen to see the two pictures posted yesterday with Crystal and Ron together?? Tells a different story then what we are hearing from her IMO . Especially about how scared she is of him. I think that is BS myself, and their heads together at the vigil tell me as much. Also her comforting him, while he is just about laying on the ground. I do think though that Marie is behind most of this. JMO though.

[5boxersmom]

So Misty is.....

The last one to see Haleigh.

Inconsistent statements.

Impounded Van could be tied to her.

Will not do a reactment.

Talks about Haleigh in past tense.

What else am I forgetting?

imo

[i_pickle]

I have said how I feel about Crystal, IMO, is a blamer, a user, and a taker. And yes, a whiner.

But I have not trashed her or anyone for ever calling in a legit reason if there is any doubt thats what it was. But like I said, where is the proof?? If you thought one of your kids were absolutely being abused, would you just stop at making a call to child welfare?? I wouldn't.
jmoNeither one of us are Crystal. She's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. And, no, I'm not excusing her for not fighting harder, I'm just sayin...

I think it's entirely possible that she didn't know that there was recourse available to her. Yes, ma'am, I believe that is entirely possible AND probable.

[playnice]

Holy Cow! Police were called for a wellness check to see if Ron blew Misty's head off. :blink:

Bless Cobra's heart :wub: he may just crack this case.

Cobra told Ron about "Greg"—a young African American male with whom Misty was rumored to have been having sex

· Cobra said Ron confirmed that he knew all about "Greg"

Ok. I really have to question who is feeding Cobra his info.
Not blaming him but something is fishy here.
First we hear Jr saw a man in black. Then the story morphed to black man in black.
Then the story morphed to a couch shaking.
Someone calle in a wellness check?

Was Ron confirming he heard the rumor or that the story was true?

[i_pickle]

DOUBLE HOLY COW FROM HERE!!! Yeehaw you go, Cobra!I think I'm in love :wub:

:thumbsup:

[i_pickle]

I wonder if Misty sleeps with one eye open.

mooOr if she sleeps at all. :scared:

[CANDYKISSES]

I have to disagree with you CandyK. I think it is very possible that Crystal was hooked on drugs and also an abused woman. Perhaps that is another method ronald used to control her, providing her with drugs.

I am not ready to call Crystal a liar and welcome this investigation, which I believe has relevance to the case of this missing child. imo.

I can understand your position Jo, but how can you say she is doesn't lie when you look at the transcripts of hearings and interviews, plus the false report she filed to save her own rear end?

Did you notice that she must have lied to the courts too, or her father did to support her? She claimed she had a home of her own within a two week window IIRC.

I see a selfish young woman who was content to live on the system and drug it up given her lifestyle. The reference to her encounter with Ron considering the cocaine usage when she alleges he hit her was over her own selfish desires. If you see all the nice clothing Chloe has and her past references pre-HALEIGH CUMMINGS MISSING, it is quite a different story IMOO.

I want DCF to get in this too and I have stated this before. Crystal denies any knowledge, yet she had and has pictures that indicate she may be lying about that too.

I know a woman who almost killed her husband to save her children and was willing to go to jail.

My high school buddy DID SPEND TIME IN JAIL to protect her children. She defied a court order to get her children away from their abusive father and was put in jail.

Those are the women I applaud and would fight to the death for, not the ones who go on to have their version of a white picket fence life with a new child. That will never fly with me. JMO tho and I think NG sees a story that doesn't add up and NOW she won't just back any woman, because she knows the deep and abiding love of being willing to do anything to spare your children and that is not something I see in Crystal.

IF THERE IS A MAJOR MALFUNCTION here and all these people were FEARING SCRAWNY OLE RON including Haleigh's grandfather who tried to tell the Magistrate he actually saw Ron doing drugs...(How do you perceive that happening?)

This is the man who is an EX-LEO and former MARINE and he would let this punk kid abuse his grandchild and daughter too??????

I can't believe that but again understand your desire to support a woman who is making such allegations. :smile:JMO

[Peaches]

IMO, it seems to me that it is fairly obvious what happened in that first picture of Haleigh. She fell of the monkey bars, hitting her nose in the process. A couple days later, due to the nose injury, her eye starts to turn black (black eye). In the pic, it is starting to heal, and it looks as though she picks her boo boos. I posted last night an incident with my son where he ran head long into a tree and hit his nose. He ended up with both his eyes black due to the nose injury and the eyes didn't turn until the following day. Ever heard someone saying, "You know your nose is broken when both your eyes turn black"?

As for the other pics, I took one look and said "Pulease...:wink:" My son has had worse bruises and scrapes and cuts than those shown from just playing at school and at home.

As for the school taking measures when a child falls, I do not know about Florida, but here, my son got, in my opinion, seriously hurt when he was pushed into a railing that cut his back. The cut was about 5 inches long and turned black and blue. I was not notified, and in fact my son had to tell me about it when he got home. Needless to say, the school heard from me about that.

My point is the pictures look just like playing to me and the trials and tribulations kids go through during that time in their lives. Falling down, running into things b/c they do not pay attention, etc.

The Haleigh pic looks just like a nose injury on the mend to me.

As for Ecoli, wasn't there a scare about food in supermarkets or restaurants that had ecoli? Maybe she ate a dinner from the grocery store, or went out to eat and got it there. I seriously doubt anyone "poisoned" her. I could be wrong about the ecoli, so I am going to research it.

JMO


:thumbsup: BRAVO...............POST OF THE DAY! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

I agree with everything you said here...............school must make accident reports when an injury happens. Most teachers/coaches/administrators will make the call themselve to the parent........the person who knows the most unless they are caring for the student at the time.

In my family I have 2 coaches/teachers and 3 teachers. I know for a fact that they would report anyone they suspected of abuse.

MOO is that HaLeigh's school would not have failed to report to LE if they thought she was being abused or neglected.

When you see HaLeigh's smile, it reaches her eyes............I think she was loved and that she was very happy.

I hope that HaLeigh is found today! and that she is ALIVE!!!!!!

[n/t]

Yikes!! Ron will *keep Misty around till Haleigh comes home*! And he is aware of Misty's sexual encounters with Greg!!

Nice beginning to a long and succusful marriage.
Man this case is crazy.




moo

Why wouldn't Misty want to do the reenactment if she was totally innocent and not involed? :glare:

I agree. Nuts!



HIGHLIGHTS:




· Ron and Misty initially were both onboard.

· Misty got cold feet, but was urged at vigil for Haleigh by others there to do it.

· They were about to get the re-enactment underway when Misty balked again.

· Misty said she didn’t remember things –didn’t want to do it at all and got angry

· Ron got angry at Misty---talked about it with Cobra at Memaw's over some sweet tea.


· Cobra told Ron about "Greg"—a young African American male with whom Misty was rumored to have been having sex

· Cobra said Ron confirmed that he knew all about "Greg"

· Cobra asked Ron why he married Misty anyway

· Ron replied that “she is the only tie he has to Haleigh and that he will keep her until Haleigh returns”




http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

[?noanswer]

.... screwed. :tonguewag:

I think it was irresponsible for Cobra to tip his hand so publically, though, and broadcast to the world that Ron is only keeping her close to get the goods. That can't help at all.

That was my thoughts!!! If all that happened, then relaying it to LE was the correct thing to do, but having it broadcast from a radio station makes me believe he is the same as others that attach themself to a high profile case. SELF INTEREST. It was reported the other day, that he said the case would be solved rather quickly. I wonder if he based that conclusion on any of this information. JMO

[i_pickle]

Cobra told Ron about "Greg"—a young African American male with whom Misty was rumored to have been having sex

· Cobra said Ron confirmed that he knew all about "Greg"

Ok. I really have to question who is feeding Cobra his info.
Not blaming him but something is fishy here.
First we hear Jr saw a man in black. Then the story morphed to black man in black.
Then the story morphed to a couch shaking.
Someone calle in a wellness check?

Was Ron confirming he heard the rumor or that the story was true?Cobra is as real as they come, imo. I had a good feeling about him being brought in as soon as I heard it. I don't think he's feeding or getting fed bad information. I think he's blending right in with the locals and learning things that LE can't. Nothing fishy about Cobra that I can see.

The wellness check was called in by Cobra because Ron had mentioned sticking a gun in her mouth earlier. It's in the link to the interview.

[CANDYKISSES]

Please read the whole thing, OK?????

Originally Posted by doneit
The thing thats bothering me is where is the proof?? What exactly is the proof that it is abuse, KWIM??? Anyone can call an abuse center, does not mean there was abuse. And yes, I do believe if someone believes there is abuse anywhere, call someone. Let it be checked out. No harm, no foul.

No harm, no foul on calling child welfare, or the cops for that matter.

doneit, THINK about this. The LE spokesman or the Sheriff himself came out and admitted he had many women calling in "tips:rolleyes:" with nothing more than intending to get LE after their EX.....TOTALLY DISGUSTING IMOO.

So, that tells me that there are still women who think it's funny to sic the law on their EX for the hell of it and to think they would use a case like this makes me want to vomit. barf

Please don't think scorned women, drug addicts that didn't get anymore credit extended IF he is a seller, and anyone that he has bucked up to with his attitude in hand wouldn't turn him in for hurting what everyone knows is his "heart" IMO.

When you have a case like this, the possibilities are wide open, but I stand on believing Ron loves Haleigh and wants to bring her home.

JMO

[?noanswer]

:thumbsup: BRAVO...............POST OF THE DAY! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

I agree with everything you said here...............school must make accident reports when an injury happens. Most teachers/coaches/administrators will make the call themselve to the parent........the person who knows the most unless they are caring for the student at the time.

In my family I have 2 coaches/teachers and 3 teachers. I know for a fact that they would report anyone they suspected of abuse.

MOO is that HaLeigh's school would not have failed to report to LE if they thought she was being abused or neglected.

When you see HaLeigh's smile, it reaches her eyes............I think she was loved and that she was very happy.

I hope that HaLeigh is found today! and that she is ALIVE!!!!!!

I wonder where the school report came from. One would think that would be protected information. JMO

[bama__angel]

Why wouldn't Misty want to do the reenactment if she was totally innocent and not involed? :glare:

I agree. Nuts!



HIGHLIGHTS:




· Ron and Misty initially were both onboard.

· Misty got cold feet, but was urged at vigil for Haleigh by others there to do it.

· They were about to get the re-enactment underway when Misty balked again.

· Misty said she didn’t remember things –didn’t want to do it at all and got angry

· Ron got angry at Misty---talked about it with Cobra at Memaw's over some sweet tea.


· Cobra told Ron about "Greg"—a young African American male with whom Misty was rumored to have been having sex

· Cobra said Ron confirmed that he knew all about "Greg"

· Cobra asked Ron why he married Misty anyway

· Ron replied that “she is the only tie he has to Haleigh and that he will keep her until Haleigh returns”




http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php



Hopefully Cobra is speaking the truth and not just trying to cause dissention between Ron and Misty.........At this point, it's hard to determine who is capable of truth in this tragedy....IMO

[?noanswer]

Hopefully Cobra is speaking the truth and not just trying to cause dissention between Ron and Misty.........At this point, it's hard to determine who is capable of truth in this tragedy....IMO

Wonder if Cobra is working his way up to bigger and better exposure. Start on the radio, then who's next. Art Harris - nah, he's just a little fish in the sea, JVM - possibly, NG ??? It will be interesting to see if he goes further with this. JMO

[i_pickle]

I can't get the links I am at work and they are blocked. Is this for real?It sounds real to me grma.

Check out post #315. It gives the highlights to the interview.

[emdragon]

Neither one of us are Crystal. She's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. And, no, I'm not excusing her for not fighting harder, I'm just sayin...

I think it's entirely possible that she didn't know that there was recourse available to her. Yes, ma'am, I believe that is entirely possible AND probable.

She might not have but there is no doubt her mother knew

[Motomom]

What concerns me, if true, is Junior could be subjected to Ron's swinging door policy. Temporary Moms, coming and going. Talk about confusion for that poor little tyke. Instead of *whose your daddy*, he'll be living with *whose your mom*. Oh vey! What a mess!!

moo

I agree with you here Swar. My best friend divorced when her son was 4 months old. He's almost 10 now.. she has not dated a single man because she does not want to bring any men in and out of his life. I think she went to the extreme. Too many men and women bring men and women in and out of their childs lives. Some of these poor kids grow up with lots of uncles..and aunts that they'll never see again.

[?noanswer]

Probably. Something still doesn't sit well with this. Is this recording really Cobra, without a doubt? I'm surprised mainstream media hasn't picked up on it yet. If Cobra has such a great reputation and track record, I can't see him being stupid enough to allow himself to be taped blabbing all of that stuff for the world to hear.

If real, and she was with "Greg", and Ron already knows about Greg, why wouldn't "Greg" simply confirm whether he was with her that night or not?


Does LE know all this? I guess if they didn't before he blabbed on the radio, they do now. JMO

[Motomom]

Its not that I didn't *get* it, I just didn't read any more of your posts after that, so please stop insulting my intelligence by implying, and twisting my words.

TY

No I'm sorry. You were the one who twisted words, not me and others have pointed it out to you. Feel free to put me on ignore I would rather you not respond at all then to twist my words..

[i_pickle]

I really don't know, but I sure ain't buying everybody being afraid of RC. Including Crystals own ex marine/sheriff dad.
jmoAfraid of him doesn't always mean afraid he'll kick your behind. Afraid of what he'll do is most likely the fear that many had of him. Like, afraid of what he'll do to the children is a very strong possibility, imo.

[Motomom]

I wonder if Misty sleeps with one eye open.

moo

I would if I were her. If Ron realizes she's involved.. I think she's in for some big trouble IMO

[bama__angel]

I would if I were her. If Ron realizes she's involved.. I think she's in for some big trouble IMO



If she is involved.....And Ron believes that she is involved......if I were her I'd turn myself in to LE for my own protection.......

[Motomom]

Are you having a bad hair day? Because that really gets my day off to a bad start. No apologizing necessary.

LOL ocean view.. I'm a hairdresser so I typically don't have them :).. however something set me off.. LOL I mean no personal disrespect to anyone though, ever!

And when I got here this morning and saw 7 pages already I though ohh there must be some news.. and alas there is NONE :crying:

I just want this little girl found and whoever has done this brought to justice. I still think SO and that SO that showed up at the halieghbug site.. well is he the same one the other article was posted about??? I just dont' understand how our babies disappear without a trace?? I mean, if Ron or Misty did something why hasn't she been found? IDK.. it's just so hard..going from missing child case to missing child case.

[crymeariver2006]

I would love to be a fly on the wall when Misty learns her position could be temporary.

moo

Yeah, no kidding! I can hear Gloria Allred now!

What's this about a wellness check? Who called that in?

[Motomom]

Please stop twisting my words. I said the could have had bad food.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE E COLI CAME FROM.

Nobody knows where the E coli came from or the bruising IMO. I hope a thorough investigation is done asap too.

I have to say, I was disgusted with Ron and his marriage and of course it had everyone in an uproar talking about that.

Then we have Crystal and these claims and we're all in an uproar talking about that.

Meanwhile Haleigh is still gone without a trace and LE is keeping mum.. misty is not consistent and talks with people about it like.. I don't even know..that art harris interview was weird and I can't place my finger on it. I have trouble putting my thoughts into words sometimes.. and this is one of those times.. the aire about her in that interview.. ugg

[MrLucky917B]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

Can anyone get the audio to run?
When was the re-enactment going to take place?

[crymeariver2006]

It will break him completely, IMO

Why? Is he just now having doubts about Misty? The same Misty that he openly stated he was standing behind? The same Misty that he swore was telling the truth about everything that happened that night? The same Misty that TN and GGM Sykes swear up and down is "good to those kids" and "loves them like they're her own"?

The same Misty that his pastor said they "didn't agree with the union" and he rushed into a marriage (a legally binding contract, BTW) with?

Break him? He should have gotten a quarter for the clue phone the SECOND time LE brought her in for questioning. But what does he do? He marries her!

[i_pickle]

If she is involved.....And Ron believes that she is involved......if I were her I'd turn myself in to LE for my own protection.......But I thought Ron wasn't violent. A loving father and an all around great guy. I mean he's taken care of his children despite the evil bio-mom who layed on her butt withholding child support while calling in false claims to LE and DFC.

What does Misty have to be afraid of scrawny Ronald for?

Sorry about the sarcasm, nothing personal, just had to get that out. :smile:

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe she should start looking now, if its true. And if its true, GET OUT.
jmo

She should have never gotten in!

JMO

[playnice]

Did Crystals lawyer bring Cobra in ?

[i_pickle]

Did Crystals lawyer bring Cobra in ?According to Cobra, no one brought him in.

[playnice]

***mom***

I didn't see it but heard enough about it. As for Marie, I understand completely. Had people in my life like that.
jmo

Most of the stuff coming out is unconfirmed rumors.

Im almost starting to think someone wants revenge on Ron really bad.

[bama__angel]

But I thought Ron wasn't violent. A loving father and an all around great guy. I mean he's taken care of his children despite the evil bio-mom who layed on her butt withholding child support while calling in false claims to LE and DFC.

What does Misty have to be afraid of scrawny Ronald for?

Sorry about the sarcasm, nothing personal, just had to get that out. :smile:


Nothing personal taken......I'm kinda putting myself in Ron's place also....I'm not a violent person ever....However I have the capacity to hurt someone badly if I knew that person had done harm to one of my boys......Does that make me a bad person....If it does, then I am....Just my opinion.......

[Money Girl]

You Go, Cobra!!

Thank you for taking this case!

[crymeariver2006]

I agree something's fishy. Even if I did something so weird as to marry the person to keep her close in order to find the truth, I wouldn't give her my grandmother's ring -- I'd buy a $100 throwaway band.

Is this "TJ Hart" a reputable journalist in those parts? Anyone know?

I don't live in the area so I don't know his reputation, but he is on NG every night with the latest.

FWIW

Kind of like Mark Williams and Drew Petrimoux reporting on the Anthony case.

[crymeariver2006]

Nothing personal taken......I'm kinda putting myself in Ron's place also....I'm not a violent person ever....However I have the capacity to hurt someone badly if I knew that person had done harm to one of my boys......Does that make me a bad person....If it does, then I am....Just my opinion.......

But would you marry them? Before the investigation was even over with?

[*Spike*]

LOL, get back on the wall, we need info.

i wish i could but maybe in due time i will. lol

[playnice]

According to Cobra, no one brought him in.



Thats what I thought he said but I just found this.:confused:


SATSUMA, Fla. -- There's a new investigator on the Haleigh Cummings case. He calls himself Cobra. He's a private investigator from Fort Lauderdale, who is in Satsuma at Haleigh's mother's request

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/P-I-Searches-for-Haleigh/rwX4oL0NrE6kKhoe2vdr-g.cspx

[bama__angel]

-------------------------------

When did Ron say he believed Misty was involved?



Go back and read the last couple of pages or so.......Some guy named Cobra, supposedly a P. I. said that ( and these are my words) Ron told him that he was keeping Misty close to him until Haleigh came home..... I dont think Ron ever said that he didnt believe Misty....IMO

[crymeariver2006]

wonder if the gun goes off while in her mouth that would be an accident too

Well Lord I hope DCF wouldn't deem it "natural discipline"!

[CANDYKISSES]

So Misty is.....

The last one to see Haleigh.

Inconsistent statements.

Impounded Van could be tied to her.

Will not do a reactment.

Talks about Haleigh in past tense.

What else am I forgetting?

imo

Boxer, wasn't there a statement released this week saying the van wasn't tied to this crime? I believe it was on yesterday's thread. JMO

[Mimi428]

Well, yesterday I read here that if Ron did hit Haleigh on the back of her head, his poor hand probably would hurt because a skull is hard.

Blows my mind.

Believe it or not, that is oftentimes the reason the person doling out the 'punishment' or 'discipline' makes the kid go 'get the belt' or 'get the switch' (stick). Smacking with your hand will hurt your hand. Laying a belt across them or switching them inflicts all the pain on them, none on you.

JMO

[Peaches]

For one, the school food could have caused it, I don't know.

As for what mother would not want her child. Look around, theres plenty.
jmo


Yes................school systems all over the states are given "free" foods..............and I hate to say it but peanut butter is one of these items. So, it is possible that she ate pb at school or elsewhere and got sick. Or, as you said eathing out...........uncooked chicken/meats.......all kinds of possibilities.

It is no secret, that it takes more than giving birth to make a mother.

moo

[i_pickle]

If we didn't know about Crystals families backgrounds, then I could say maybe. But they don't seem like strangers to the laws. kwim???

I'll let the ma'am go, LOL
jmoYou think I said ma'am in a disrespectful way? If, so, you're wrong, but that's okay. :smile:

Both sides of Haleigh's family have backgrounds, lol. Ron certainly is no stranger to the law. Have you seen his rap sheet? No comparison to Crystal's.

That's the pity of all of this, imo. Those poor kids were handed a raw deal anyway you look at it.

[Peaches]

i believe that if Haleigh really said that about her daddy hitting Jr with a stick that it was really true.


Have you heard HaLeigh Ann-Marie say that her daddy hit Ron, Jr. with a stick...............???????????????

I thought not!

[playnice]

Picazio is also bringing in a crack private investigator, William Staubs, 52, a gravel-voiced tough guy who weighs 250 pounds and goes by the nickname Cobra. He’ll be hunting witnesses, says Picazio, “who may not want to tell everything to a police officer, but may tell me things that could lead to finding Haleigh through a private effort.”


http://www.ask.com/bar?q=Did+Crystals+sheffields+lawyer+bring+Cobra+i n+%3F&page=1&qsrc=2417&ab=4&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artharris.com%2F2009%2F03%2F11% 2Fhaleigh-mom-wants-custody%2F

Thanks mom. I knew I saw that somewhere.

[i_pickle]

Thats what I thought he said but I just found this.:confused:


SATSUMA, Fla. -- There's a new investigator on the Haleigh Cummings case. He calls himself Cobra. He's a private investigator from Fort Lauderdale, who is in Satsuma at Haleigh's mother's request

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/P-I-Searches-for-Haleigh/rwX4oL0NrE6kKhoe2vdr-g.cspxI read it on his website. I guess it's all in who you choose to believe.

Can I ask what you think is fishy about him?

[crymeariver2006]

Have you heard HaLeigh Ann-Marie say that her daddy hit Ron, Jr. with a stick...............???????????????

I thought not!

We didn't hear her say she wanted her Daddy and Misty to get married either.

That doesn't make either untrue or true.

[bama__angel]

But would you marry them? Before the investigation was even over with?



No cry, I wouldnt marry them....... But I also question the intelligence of many involved in this.....and also their common "horse" sense. What you or I would do.....We cant even relate to this......Because I would be willing to bet neither of us would be in this type situation ever ever ever.....IMO

[*Spike*]

You are correct she would have been arrested. Also, Crystal is the one who left Ron and not the other way around. I know you probably already know that. I've seen people talking as though it was Ron who left and that is not what happened according to both Ron and Crystal. They have both said that Crystal is the one who left on her own accord.

On the subject of GMA Sykes...am I the only one noticing how she is taking up for Ron over the punishment of the kids issues? Firstly if Ron had no issues with punishing his children then DCF would not have had to have told him the "correct" method of punishment ie: spanking on the butt.
Here we have photo's of Jr. that show elongated markings that were apparently made from being hit with a stick. Ron admits that he strictly disciplines his children etc...
So if all of this is true then GMA Sykes is nothing short of lying by stepping in and stating that Ron only spanks the kids on the butt. How would she know this is fact anyway considering that she does not actually live in Ron's home therefor she is not around 24-7 to know what goes on anyway?

i agree with you.

[playnice]

I read it on his website. I guess it's all in who you choose to believe.

Can I ask what you think is fishy about him?

I dont know if he is fishy or not but I do question who is feeding him the info.
Im really questioning who that black man rumor (greg) originated from since we have the story about the man in black morphing to black man.
Something doesnt feel right here.
And he said Ron confirmed it but not specifying if he was confirming the rumor or confirming it happened.
I guess its written that way so you can take your pick.

[crymeariver2006]

I read it on his website. I guess it's all in who you choose to believe.

Can I ask what you think is fishy about him?

There's nothing fishy about him. This is not some great conspiracy to "get Ron".

Ron is shown on TV yukking it up with Cobra and everybody says "That's good that he's working with both Ron and Crystal". He goes searching with Teresa - he's the greatest thing since sliced bread!

Cobra says unflattering things about Misty and/or Ron - it's a conspiracy against Ron.

JMO

[bama__angel]

No cry, I wouldnt marry them....... But I also question the intelligence of many involved in this.....and also their common "horse" sense. What you or I would do.....We cant even relate to this......Because I would be willing to bet neither of us would be in this type situation ever ever ever.....IMO



Maybe I am questioning their decision making skills......I think Ron, Crystal and Misty and many others make poor decisions when it comes to what has been right for these little kids involved in this......

[i_pickle]

Nothing personal taken......I'm kinda putting myself in Ron's place also....I'm not a violent person ever....However I have the capacity to hurt someone badly if I knew that person had done harm to one of my boys......Does that make me a bad person....If it does, then I am....Just my opinion.......I get what you're saying. I think I have that capacity too and I'm old, lol.

But I do think that Ron goes beyond the normal instinct to protect. I get the impression that he's violent with women and children and men he knows he can beat. He's a classic bully, imo.