Friday 3/20 Hope for Haleigh

[teresa]

I think we all know that in Lenny's case, the majority of his efforts were thwarted by CA's attorney, as well as CA herself.

I think we are too quick to think that it is Misty & Misty alone that Cobra is trying to break.

Do you think it helps or hurts LE in their investigation to find out what Ron &/or Misty may have told Cobra?

I think it is at least a little bit possible that LE could find out that what Misty &/or Ron told them in interviews is not what they are saying to others. And if they do find that out, I believe it ultimately helps the investigation, rather than hurts it.

JMO

Again I ask, Ron picked up Haleigh at the bus stop around 3:45ish or so and left a few minutes later to go to work. What did he do?

If you are not implying that he is the other one Cobra is after, never mind.

[i_pickle]

Certainly not anymore, that's for sure.I'm just wondering how those that are so intimidated by Cobra will feel if he helps find out what happened the night Haleigh went missing.

The good news is many of you have left Crystal alone for a couple of hours while you're trashing Cobra. :smile:

[Mimi428]

why do you suppose that is? and, just because he's pro bono, doesn't mean he hasn't made up his mind beforehand, right?

I actually believe he does want to find Haleigh.

Why would he make up his mind beforehand?

I think he has had enough experience under his belt to know not to fall into that trap.

JMO

[teresa]

I'm just wondering how those that are so intimidated by Cobra will feel if he helps find out what happened the night Haleigh went missing.

The good news is many of you have left Crystal alone for a couple of hours while you're trashing Cobra. :smile:

I'm not intimidated by Cobra and I really hope he figures this out. I think he hurt the case with this interview.

[sydney]

Exactly. If Joe "TweetyBird" Smith rides into town on his white horse and says his purpose is to find Haleigh, he keeps his word and the case doesn't "close" until that happens. Period. Otherwise, TweetyBird is full of it.

great name! i think i love you.....:laugh:

[odyssey]

What is on jvm please? I dont have a remote control and have to use a screwdriver to turn my t.v. (and it only goes backwards in the channels not upward) so I need to find out if it is worth changing to? lol

[odyssey]

OT....FOX just said the details are sketchy BUT they think they have found the remains of Natalee Holloway :ohmy:

oh my .. thank you for telling us!

[Mimi428]

I think if this guy were not on the up and up he would not of mentioned certain things. The phone calls from Misty, for example, would be easy to disprove.

Yes, they would be easy to disprove.

And since Ron now has the benefit of representation by two personal injury attorneys, they should have experience in slapping slander/libel charges against a person who spreads false tales about him.

JMO

[sydney]

I actually believe he does want to find Haleigh.

Why would he make up his mind beforehand?

I think he has had enough experience under his belt to know not to fall into that trap.

JMO

i have my doubts....i just don't think his behaviour bears that out - like i said, spouting to the media instead of keeping things close to his vest (i hate that phrase).

has he provided le with any of this information? or do you think they already know these things?

tia

[bama__angel]

OT....FOX just said the details are sketchy BUT they think they have found the remains of Natalee Holloway :ohmy:



I read on Foxnews website today that an officer with a highly skilled cadaver dog was travelling to ARuba to search where they thought her remains might be.......

Hoping her family finally is able to bring her home......

[sydney]

OT....FOX just said the details are sketchy BUT they think they have found the remains of Natalee Holloway :ohmy:

another case that breaks my heard. prayers for the family.

[i_pickle]

I'm not intimidated by Cobra, so you'll have to ask someone else. Personally I think he's an egotistical, careless and dangerous idiot.He probably is egotistical but I seriously doubt if he's careless, dangerous, (unless you're a bad guy) or an idiot.

He's had 30 years experience. How many have you had?

Again, the credibility goes to Cobra, imo.

[sydney]

The fact that law enforcement hasen't cleared him yet is indication law enforcement might still be wondering the same thing.

If finding the baby is top priority why so defensive of one of the adults?

5 year old Haleigh is either #1 in this or she's not. The quicker they clear the adults living with the missing child the quicker LE can move to find the real abductor.

fwiw, i agree with the last part of your post - i do, however, see others being defensive of one or the other of the adults. but that is a horse of another color.......

[sydney]

He's had 30 years experience being egotistical? That explains things.

can't you tell? i mean, he is ANYTHING but reticent, right?:laugh:

[odyssey]

The fact that law enforcement hasen't cleared him yet is indication law enforcement might still be wondering the same thing.

If finding the baby is top priority why so defensive of one of the adults?

5 year old Haleigh is either #1 in this or she's not. The quicker they clear the adults living with the missing child the quicker LE can move to find the real abductor.

They have not cleared anyone in any part of any of the families. I do not think that is indicative of Ronald's guilt anymore than you think it is indicative of Crystal or Chad's guilt. Right now they don't know *what* happened to Haleigh(which is such a horrible thing to consider). They don't know what the crime is .. according to LE.

It could be stranger abduction
It could be acquaintance abduction
It could be familial abduction
It could be custodial abduction
It could be accidental death by any of the above
It could be intentional death by any of the above
It could be neglect and she wandered off
She could be dead or alive now
It could be any combination of the above

They are concerned about the timeline from 7pm-3:27am .. that tells me, since they have confirmed his alibi, and since they have said that they are satisfied Ron has no idea where his little girl is, that they are all but positive that he had nothing to do with his little girl being missing BUT SINCE THEY CANNOT EVEN NARROW DOWN what the crime is, they would be remiss in totally clearing ANYONE at this point.

jmoo

[Money Girl]

What is on jvm please? I dont have a remote control and have to use a screwdriver to turn my t.v. (and it only goes backwards in the channels not upward) so I need to find out if it is worth changing to? lol

So far, JVM is just repeating CA stuff we already know about.

Showed photo of Haleigh, so maybe she will move on .

[Mimi428]

i have my doubts....i just don't think his behaviour bears that out - like i said, spouting to the media instead of keeping things close to his vest (i hate that phrase).

has he provided le with any of this information? or do you think they already know these things?

tia

I completely believe he would provide LE with information that will help solve this case. He does not have either the authority nor the capacity to go around making arrests - what ELSE can he do other than pass on info to LE?

I think LE knows a ton of things about this case. I also think that they have spoken to people who may have their own reasons for not being entirely truthful - not because they hold the key to solving the case - but because they don't want to admit something along the lines of "yeah, I was hanging around with Misty the weekend before Haleigh went missing - we stayed up for 37 straight hours doing meth".

Ultimately, I think investigators are more often put off by the antics of attorneys than they are put off by PIs & the things they do & the way they interact with various people.

JMO

[Owlface]

I'm just wondering how those that are so intimidated by Cobra will feel if he helps find out what happened the night Haleigh went missing.

The good news is many of you have left Crystal alone for a couple of hours while you're trashing Cobra. :smile:

ITA I don't understand it either.

[teresa]

OT....FOX just said the details are sketchy BUT they think they have found the remains of Natalee Holloway :ohmy:

Wow. Bless her. Thanks for the heads up.

[sydney]

They are concerned about the timeline from 7pm-3:27am .. that tells me, since they have confirmed his alibi, and since they have said that they are satisfied Ron has no idea where his little girl is, that they are all but positive that he had nothing to do with his little girl being missing BUT SINCE THEY CANNOT EVEN NARROW DOWN what the crime is, they would be remiss in totally clearing ANYONE at this point.

jmoo

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i can understand their position - what if they "cleared" someone and later found out that person had something to do with haleigh's dissapearance?

[i_pickle]

He's had 30 years experience being egotistical? That explains things.I guess I should've known you didn't even look into the background of the person you are so quick to call an idiot.

You have a nice day now, hear? :seeya:

[Money Girl]

I'm just wondering how those that are so intimidated by Cobra will feel if he helps find out what happened the night Haleigh went missing.

The good news is many of you have left Crystal alone for a couple of hours while you're trashing Cobra. :smile:

Agree with your good news! LOL

[Money Girl]

I'm not intimidated by Cobra and I really hope he figures this out. I think he hurt the case with this interview.

I think COBRA helped the case with this interview.

Hope there is more to come!

[teresa]

The fact that law enforcement hasen't cleared him yet is indication law enforcement might still be wondering the same thing.

If finding the baby is top priority why so defensive of one of the adults?

5 year old Haleigh is either #1 in this or she's not. The quicker they clear the adults living with the missing child the quicker LE can move to find the real abductor.

Adalena, they haven't cleared any family member and hardly anyone else. That doesn't mean they are suspects. I'd bet Misty is, but not Ron. She was seen at least three hours after he left so any delayed reaction harm to Haleigh is more than unlikely at that point.

[odyssey]

So far, JVM is just repeating CA stuff we already know about.

Showed photo of Haleigh, so maybe she will move on .

Thank you :)

[sydney]

mimi, i can understand where you're coming from, but the deepest part of me (and i am certain i will be told i'm wrong) would like to believe that IF someone was with misty doing meth or whatever, they would still go to the police and say what happened - asked for immunity or whatever, first.

i don't want to believe she had anything to do with this poor child's disappearance. i still find myself wondering also, if misty really WAS out of the home, why they only took haleigh? or, in the grisly alternative, if someone wanted to get even with ron and misty was out of the house, why not kill (god forgive me for saying that) BOTH children.

none of this makes sense to me....

[StickyBeak]

I want so desperately to believe this Cobra guy has the answers and will bring some closesur for Haleigh. LE certainly seems to be holding any information real tight, I believe due to the Sunshine laws of FL, they may feel any info leaked (re: Anthony case) could be a detriment.
I agree. We may not know what they have and the families have certainly all been almost crucified during this horrific case. I have a hard time believing they are keystone cops or anything else. They certainly have the support of many other florida LE or did.
This guy Cobra, hey if he throws enough bones out there to catch a bad dog that bites, GB him... maybe he can catch a lead. I am on his side for whatever will bring Haleigh home, just wish some reliable news source backed this all up. JMO

[sydney]

Oh I know but you'd think everyone would be anxious to get on with the business of finding this poor little girl. As Mark Klass and other FBI people on tv have said can't do that until/unless Ron & Misty get cleared. I wish that would have happened by now but it's up to them.

wow - two times in one night i agree with you (and whole heartedly)!

[CANDYKISSES]

One thing that I think is important is that I believe Cobra the PI is not contractually beholden to anyone. I don't think Crystal can fire him, for instance.

JMO

All the more reason not to place trust in him. Just what authority does he have in this case? :confused:

[teresa]

Oh I know but you'd think everyone would be anxious to get on with the business of finding this poor little girl. As Mark Klass and other FBI people on tv have said can't do that until/unless Ron & Misty get cleared. I wish that would have happened by now but it's up to them.

Misty, I agree. Ron? What do you want him to do? Confess to being somewhere LE knows he wasn't?

[sydney]

JVM is subbing for NG tonight and is discussing the photographs. Expert talking about the abuse marks being done by a right handed or left handed person. Very interesting.

moo

so they've determined within a reasonable degree of medical certainty that they WERE marks of abuse? interesting.....

[crymeariver2006]

mimi, i can understand where you're coming from, but the deepest part of me (and i am certain i will be told i'm wrong) would like to believe that IF someone was with misty doing meth or whatever, they would still go to the police and say what happened - asked for immunity or whatever, first.

i don't want to believe she had anything to do with this poor child's disappearance. i still find myself wondering also, if misty really WAS out of the home, why they only took haleigh? or, in the grisly alternative, if someone wanted to get even with ron and misty was out of the house, why not kill (god forgive me for saying that) BOTH children.

none of this makes sense to me....

Well, welcome to the club.

I can't believe that someone would marry someone that they had any inkling might be involved in the disappearance of their child.

And not just marry her, marry her real quick foregoing the customary 2 week premarital counseling required by their church. What difference did the two weeks make?

Then stand beside them and behind them. All the way.

Doesn't make a lick of sense.

And I'm not buying Ron being the "double naught" spy to fake marriage, complete with a ring passed down from the family with their blessings just to get the last person to see Haleigh to talk, nor do I believe he is "playing" Cobra. If he is, then shame on him for "playing" the one person who was trying to help find his daughter and wasting his time.

[i_pickle]

You know squat about what I researched. It doesn't matter whether he had 30 hours or 30 years experience. What he did was idiotic, careless and dangerous.

Thank you for the well-wishes.Then why the question, 30 yrs of what? I can only go by what you post and it sounds as tho you have done zero research about the person you continue to call names.

LOL, Cobra sure rattles you. :scared:

[sydney]

[QUOTE=crymeariver2006;12915155]Well, welcome to the club.

[/QUOTE

(snipped by me again)

you know what? i agree with you, too!:laugh:

[Mimi428]

Besides Ron's new attorney, I don't think all of this conversation took place the way 'cobra' says it did...That is why Ron hasn't done anything imo...

I'm not sure I am following your line of thought.

If Cobra got on the radio & related a patently, grossly false story about Ron - why would Ron's personal injury attorneys NOT have slapped the man cross-eyed with a lawsuit?

According the the unofficial transcript/interp on SM, some of what transpired was in front of dozens of witnesses - they would be perfect candidates to be able to testify that Ron did no such things as Cobra claimed.

Someone mentioned the PI being egotistical - I'm sure he probably is. If he isn't, he is in the wrong business, because you have got to have b@lls of steel to be a bounty hunter. You don't have to like Dog Chapman or Cobra or Lenny to grasp the concept of the dangers of their usual business. Casper Milquetoast wouldn't be willing to get within 20 yards of some of the folks bounty hunters have to talk to every day. I'm sure some of their skip traces involve petty people, but those minor cases do not negate the bad guys they have to willingly interact with & the bad environments they have to walk into.

JMO

[odyssey]

Misty, I agree. Ron? What do you want him to do? Confess to being somewhere LE knows he wasn't?

I really don't know what more Ronald could do to be cleared. It is Misty who has the inconsistencies, Misty who walked out of an interview, Misty who allegedly has not done a reenactment and Misty who was the last known person to be with the children that night.

by all accounts Ronald has fully cooperated with LE. I also agree that Misty needs to do something whatever it is and be as forthcoming as possible. As everyone says she is the key.

jmoo

[crymeariver2006]

Oh no, I don't think they have reached that conclusion. The expert is evaluting the photos.

JVM does think Haleigh's record of absences is very important though.

moo

Especially the unexcused ones and the tardies.

Whose job was it to get Haleigh to the bus stop or to school?

Someone else "too lazy" to get up?

[teresa]

wow - two times in one night i agree with you (and whole heartedly)!

Could you complete the rest of Mark's quote?

[sydney]

Oh no, I don't think they have reached that conclusion. The expert is evaluting the photos.

JVM does think Haleigh's record of absences is very important though.

moo

i really don't care for her. i can understand some people thinking the absences are important, but i can't make the leap that they indicate that ronald killed his child, either on purpose or inadvertently. i just don't see it, especially since le is satisifed that he was at work during the time in question.....

[MrLucky917B]

why do you suppose that is? and, just because he's pro bono, doesn't mean he hasn't made up his mind beforehand, right?

He very well could of have had his mind set before he arrived in Satsuma however that doesn't mean he is only investigating this from 1 angle. Since LE says everyone is still a suspect in this he is starting from the beginning and according to LE their timeline starts at 7 PM on 2/9 and the person that has the key answers to this is Misty. If the information in todays tape is true I think there will be an answer soon.

JMO

[doctor_J]

<snipped>

May just not be true? About what? About whom?

I know you can't mean Ron, since his personal-injury attorneys would sure as heck know how to slap a lawsuit on Cobra should he falsely accuse or malign their client.

JMO

Good Point. Finally something that can separate the wheat from the shaff in all this hooplah. Ron does have PERSONAL INJURY attorneys. They should know slander and libel when they hear it. AND the absolute defense of slander is truth. We'll know in a day or two who's really full of BS.

[sydney]

The fact that law enforcement hasen't cleared him yet is indication law enforcement might still be wondering the same thing.

If finding the baby is top priority why so defensive of one of the adults?

5 year old Haleigh is either #1 in this or she's not. The quicker they clear the adults living with the missing child the quicker LE can move to find the real abductor.

here you go teresa - who is mark, by the way?

[sydney]

sydney

I don't think Jane was alluding to that at all. They were in a discussion about abuse, not murder.

moo

thanks for the clarification. i find there are more commercials in those shows than actual discussion or information.

[CANDYKISSES]

JVM is subbing for NG tonight and is discussing the photographs. Expert talking about the abuse marks being done by a right handed or left handed person. Very interesting.

moo


I guess you forgot these are ALLEGATIONS and the expert I saw wasn't saying anything like that. It sounded like he was talking about the school accident. JMO tho.

Then I actually thought I heard Jane trying to say she missed twenty days in February IIRC. Is that correct? :confused:

[sydney]

{Putting on my new Hard Hat} I cannot stand JVM - she is nothing more than another tabloid journalist. Nothing new - just the same stories sensationalized to death.

{CJ ducks....}

see my post above - you can always come sit by me.....

[teresa]

here you go teresa - who is mark, by the way?

lol, sydney...you know I love ya. I quoted the wrong quote...didn't mean to grab you into it.

Mark Klass...he was selectively quoted...he said the "smear campaign" by Kim P. had dragged this case into the ground and used up LE resources that should be used on finding Haleigh.

[sydney]

has anyone checked out ronald's attorneys on sullivan's or a publication like that?

could be that their MAIN focus is personal injury......doesn't mean they don't handle other types of law.

[Peaches]

You know squat about what I researched. It doesn't matter whether he had 30 hours or 30 years experience. What he did was idiotic, careless and dangerous.

Thank you for the well-wishes.


I think that you are correct..........

Also, I have cleaned my glasses many times as I read what was posted. I thought I must not be :read: correctly. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Leather&Lace]

Trying to catch up. Sorry if this has already been posted. Interesting!

Hope it is OK to post a link to Blink. Article from Mar 20, 2009
COBRA (worth the read)

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/20/haleigh-cummings-case-the-new-bounty-hunter-cobra/

[sydney]

lol, sydney...you know I love ya. I quoted the wrong quote...didn't mean to grab you into it.

Mark Klass...he was selectively quoted...he said the "smear campaign" by Kim P. had dragged this case into the ground and used up LE resources that should be used on finding Haleigh.

i would have to agree with that....i know some are of the opinion that it's not true, but le only has a certain amount of resources. if some of those resources have to be diverted to investigate alleged child abuse or other kinds of allegations, it diminshes the resources left for the search.

[Riverwalk!]

has anyone checked out ronald's attorneys on sullivan's or a publication like that?

could be that their MAIN focus is personal injury......doesn't mean they don't handle other types of law.

http://www.kimballsniderlaw.com/domestic_violence.html
Police officers now arrest many persons for domestic violence that years ago were not charged. Many ordinary citizens are affected.

Many people falsely believe that if the alleged victim, who may not have ever pressed charges, requests that the charges be dropped, the State will automatically drop the charges. Not so.

A criminal defense attorney will examine the State's case, looking for weak points. This includes the lack of a written statement of the alleged victim, 911 tapes, if any, photos, and eyewitness accounts, if any.

A domestic battery conviction can result in jail, and at a minimum results in a 6 month long counseling program and supervised probation.

It may be possible to quickly resolve issues regarding contact with the alleged victim, if that is the desire of both parties, since otherwise the person charged is forbidden to return home. Most couples, who are not estranged, want the no contact order addressed first.

[i_pickle]

You can't get any more accurate than that. I think anyone who wants to hang this on Ron hasn't really been paying attention to what LE has been saying in the precious few, but very precise words they've used.Like "no one has been cleared."

That includes Ron. :smile:

Who are you trying to hang this on, btw?

Just curious...

[Mimi428]

Marc Klaas was on NG's show Monday night - here is some of what he had to say. In the first part - he is speaking directly to Ron...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, first of all, Ron, my heart goes out to you, buddy. I know where you`re coming from and I know how you`re feeling right now.

But there`s a reality here that has to be dealt with, Nancy. Law enforcement runs parallel investigations in these cases. They`re investigating the family. They`re investigating friends, acquaintances, registered sex offenders. And then finally, they`re investigating the stranger scenario. And until they can eliminate the various players in that -- in those scenarios, they`re unable to then put the full force of their investigation towards what actually happened.

So it`s incumbent upon Misty -- and I think Ron has to impress this upon her -- to do whatever is necessary to eliminate her from suspicion, so law enforcement then can move forward. Otherwise this thing may never be solved, and certainly, that is not -- that`s not an acceptable conclusion to this case.

Later on in the show, Marc had this to say...

KLAAS: Anything is possible. But I would -- I would caution everybody to understand that law enforcement has a massive task force working this case. And probably some of the best minds in the country on child abduction are involved and I don`t think that there -- it is anything eye -- I don`t think that it`s any mistake that after Misty.

GRACE: Yes.

KLAAS: . for the last four, five weeks have said that she`s passed her test and she`s not under suspicion that she all of a sudden admits that there are inconsistencies and that law enforcement confirms that. I think that there are real reasons for having done that.

GRACE: Marc Klaas, I agree. John Lucich, weigh in.

JOHN LUCICH, INVESTIGATOR, AUTHOR OF "CYBER LIES": Look, I think a big part of why they took that door was to start looking at the inconsistencies in the statement. Was that door locked? Was there marks from the outside?

I think what they`re trying to do now, instead of like, Marc said before, when we have to -- when they cannot remove people from the investigation, that just takes too much time going in all of these different directions.

I think what they`re trying do is remove the world now and saying, let`s look inside of this trailer and see what happened. And I think that has a lot to do why -- because they`re going to be able to show that this place was not broken into, it was locked. Then it had to be somebody in the inside.

GRACE: And you know, Lucich, when you can`t clear somebody, you have to keep going back and back and back to them. Going over and over and over the statement.

Tonight Ronald Cummings stating his wife is willing to go back to police and answer questions again.

The VERY next night is when Misty was supposed to do the re-inactment. Something both she & Ron apparently agreed to.

Yet here we are on Friday. How long is Ron going to wait before he takes what Marc Klaas has to say seriously?

JMO

[sydney]

http://www.kimballsniderlaw.com/domestic_violence.html


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thanks for that. so they are domestic battery attorneys? and the rumor that they were pi attorneys is incorrect?

interesting that they aren't criminal defense attorneys - i like the fact that they aren't actually.

what does everyone else think?

[playnice]

Trying to catch up. Sorry if this has already been posted. Interesting!

Hope it is OK to post a link to Blink. Article from Mar 20, 2009
COBRA (worth the read)

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/20/haleigh-cummings-case-the-new-bounty-hunter-cobra/

Like everything else about this case I just dont know what to think. This is the first case I have followed that I have been all over the place with my thinking.

The quote about Ron marrying Misti to keep your friends close and enemies closer, I think most can agree that Ron did not look happy at all getting married and on the Today Show Interview he looked miserable too and did not jump in to speak when misti looked at him.

[Riverwalk!]

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thanks for that. so they are domestic battery attorneys? and the rumor that they were pi attorneys is incorrect?

interesting that they aren't criminal defense attorneys - i like the fact that they aren't actually.

what does everyone else think?

They do all sorts of things. Mr. Kimball was an Asst. State Attorney. Read at the link the types of law.

[CANDYKISSES]

JVM is subbing for NG tonight and is discussing the photographs. Expert talking about the abuse marks being done by a right handed or left handed person. Very interesting.

moo

Nancy Grace is on. JVM is not subbing for her. :confused:

[MrLucky917B]

JVM is subbing for NG tonight and is discussing the photographs. Expert talking about the abuse marks being done by a right handed or left handed person. Very interesting.

moo

Better reset your clocks Swarovski, looks like you are still on standard time:thumbup:

[sydney]

They do all sorts of things. Mr. Kimball was an Asst. State Attorney. Read at the link the types of law.

maybe tomorrow. it's dark here and i can't see my keyboard anymore so i guess i'll sign off until tomorrow.

prayers for haleigh's safe return and everyone involved in this tragedy

[Money Girl]

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thanks for that. so they are domestic battery attorneys? and the rumor that they were pi attorneys is incorrect?

interesting that they aren't criminal defense attorneys - i like the fact that they aren't actually.

what does everyone else think?

IMO, they are ambulance chasers and the only firm that would take on Ron as a client on a pro-bono basis.

[sydney]

IMO, they are ambulance chasers and the only firm that would take on Ron as a client on a pro-bono basis.

sorry - HAD to respond to this one - ambulance chasers, as you call them, are attorneys who are looking to make a lot of money off of people who are injured. this is NOT the case here.

do you think the same thing of crystal's attorneys? if not, WHY not?

tia

[sydney]

g'night jester.

[Leather&Lace]

Like everything else about this case I just dont know what to think. This is the first case I have followed that I have been all over the place with my thinking.

The quote about Ron marrying Misti to keep your friends close and enemies closer, I think most can agree that Ron did not look happy at all getting married and on the Today Show Interview he looked miserable too and did not jump in to speak when misti looked at him.

This case has taken on a life of its own for sure. I too have been all over the place with my speculation.

Interesting from the link ~
<quote>
Cobra asked Ron why he married Misty anyway
Ron replied that “she is the only tie he has to Haleigh and that he will keep her until Haleigh returns”
<end quote>
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/20/haleigh-cummings-case-the-new-bounty-hunter-cobra/

[Mimi428]

Me too. I have a question: are the FBI so poor that they couldn't have planted their own 'good ole boy' undercover type in Satsuma and surrounds to do their own leg work? I can't believe people are hanging their hopes on Cobra.

I disagree that the FBI or any other branch of LE should have planted their own undercover guy. More than one case (like infiltrating a militia, etc) have been screwed up in court because the defense attorneys will rip apart any member of LE working undercover. They will hollar entrapment.

The same does not apply to PIs, they can do things LE cannot easily do. They can go places LE cannot easily go to. People will talk to them that won't talk to LE.

JMO

[Money Girl]

Not to worry, he has been in touch with LE frequently. As a matter of fact, LE used his home as a base of operation during the first few days searches. LOL, he siad after thoroughly searhcing his home and shed, they mostly used his bathroom facilities.

moo

Was his shed the one the dogs went to at the beginning of the search for Haleigh?

[playnice]

LOL, I know. I'm still getting used to the new time change. I did apologize up thread. I though I was already watching NG.

Thank goodness you was wrong. I cant take that much of Jane.

[Leather&Lace]

pssst. What about Natalie Holloway? I;ve been away from news all afternoon.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509967,00.html

[Money Girl]

I found it. Ron previously rented on Sharon Ave. This is the street the poster lives on.

moo

Thank you.

[Leather&Lace]

LOL, I know. I'm still getting used to the new time change. I did apologize up thread. I though I was already watching NG.


:laugh: What a hoot. Sounds like something I would do.
Thanks for sharing. Good to know one is never alone in these types of oops!:thumbsup:

[Money Girl]

You can try and spin that statement anyway your little heart desires.
You can make all the funnies about how Ron speaks that you like.
It is obviously your opinion, and that's what we express here.
Opinions.

:smile:
...But the one thing you can't do, is change the Fact he was at work..

I'm not making funnies about anyone. There is nothing funny about this. Just quoting what he states.

I don't know if he was at work the whole time; I read previously that he may have been at a service station in the area at 2 a.m. Of course, I have no way of knowing if LE was able to verify this.

[Leather&Lace]

:sad: Looks like Nancy Grace is going to devote most of her show tonight on Casey Anthony. :sneaky:

No hope for Caylee so LETS MOVE ON to Haleigh since she is STILL MISSING!

[CC I See]

I found an interesting theory someone posted elsewhere. I thought it was as good as any. Thought I would share.

Not posting it word for word, but the drift is.....rather than the inside door be propped open to be able to leave, what if it was propped open to get in. Having the door open was necessary because a person was carrying in a passed out Misty. Junior heard the noise, and hence the black man in black he saw.

moo.... but why come in the side door when the front door would have been easier.

[Leather&Lace]

I found an interesting theory someone posted elsewhere. I thought it was as good as any. Thought I would share.

Not posting it word for word, but the drift is.....rather than the inside door be propped open to be able to leave, what if it was propped open to get in. Having the door open was necessary because a person was carrying in a passed out Misty. Junior heard the noise, and hence the black man in black he saw.

moo

ummm, since I read the Cobra interview and found out that Misty was seeing a young African American male this theory certainly has some merit.

MOO

[bama__angel]

I found an interesting theory someone posted elsewhere. I thought it was as good as any. Thought I would share.

Not posting it word for word, but the drift is.....rather than the inside door be propped open to be able to leave, what if it was propped open to get in. Having the door open was necessary because a person was carrying in a passed out Misty. Junior heard the noise, and hence the black man in black he saw.

moo


So the theory is while Misty was out partying....she left the door unlocked to get back in, and someone came in and took Haleigh while she was gone.....Who knows? I only wish she could be found......

[bama__angel]

This whole Greg this is brand new to me, and I'll say this at great risk of being flamed.

Greg is not a typical name for a young Black man in lower middle class America.

There, I've said it. This story seems like some bizarre out of left field story. But, maybe.


lol....Yes you said it......But you do have a valid point.

[teresa]

ummm, since I read the Cobra interview and found out that Misty was seeing a young African American male this theory certainly has some merit.

MOO

That's a rumor not a fact yet L&L. Who knows?

The theory is as good as any. I thought Jr said Misty was there and the black man in black took Sissy. He didn't mention the man putting Misty anywhere.

[bama__angel]

I know 2 black males named greg



That's nice......I dont.

[MrLucky917B]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509967,00.html

Looks like a false alarm, if you can read Dutch

http://www.24ora.com/index.php

[doctor_J]

I'm not making funnies about anyone. There is nothing funny about this. Just quoting what he states.

I don't know if he was at work the whole time; I read previously that he may have been at a service station in the area at 2 a.m. Of course, I have no way of knowing if LE was able to verify this.

LE has said he was confirmed to be at work. This post is rumormongering.

[playnice]

A dozen predators in Haleighs area that are awaiting trial plus the 44 registered. They are keeping an eye on daniel snodgrass.

[Leather&Lace]

Oh wow L&L. I lived and breathed this case for so long. I hope it brings results. I wonder if this is any thing that Tim first found. I bet it would be joy for him if it is in fact Natalee. He tried so hard for so long to find her. Is it possible Trenton and Natalee mysteries are finally going to be solved?

Thanks L&L

I am praying for the sake of Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty that Natalee's remains are found. I know what you mean about following the case. Me too. Ate, drank and slept the Holloway case 24/7.

Sorry for the OT everyone.

[bama__angel]

well how can you say it isnt a typical name> how many black males do you know?if you have nothing to compare it to then you are making a statement out of ignorance.


I didnt make the statement........I said the poster had a valid point.....

And please, I would never refer to anyone being ignorant even if I thought they were....JMO

[teresa]

Do you remember the first few days of video with Ron and Misty, there was a young black man right behind them is some of those videos? I can't recall his name but he was supposidly a friend of Ron's.

Oh vey, Nancy is just finding out about Snodgrass.

moo

His first name if the same as a city in FL. I don't want to say it because from I understand he's a very nice, very religious man who just happens to be black.

[MrLucky917B]

ummm, since I read the Cobra interview and found out that Misty was seeing a young African American male this theory certainly has some merit.

MOO

and if he was seeing her before December he could be on his way to becoming an RSO.

[Leather&Lace]

So Misty plops Jr. on the couch to watch Madagasgar, and Haleigh in the bedroom to watch Air Bud (sometime shortly after they were eating in the porch at 7 pm). The kitchen light is still on because that's normal. She takes off to see Greg, meanwhile Jr. falls asleep on the couch. Some time later, Greg returns with Misty and plops her on the couch where Jr has fallen asleep (the "bouncing couch"). While Misty was gone, Haleigh woke up and went in search of her, and an SO picked her up? Or did Greg steal Haleigh after dropping off Misty?

If we are going to speculate on this very possible theory, I would say could be either.

~ If a SO had been watching the home and knew that Misty would leave with Greg, then a SO took advantage and snatched Haleigh.

~ If no SO watching then I would say possible Greg took Haleigh

~ If Haleigh woke up and saw Greg, I would say possible that both Misty and Greg involved.

~ If Haleigh woke up, Misty could have waited for Greg to leave and then found a way to hush-up Haleigh.

MOO

[teresa]

Nancy's producer needs a new job. She doesn't know that light reflects in the dark and now she doesn't have DS's address because LE hasn't given it to her. Yet we all know it. I don't remember it but I sure can find it. Does she have a computer??

[MrLucky917B]

I know 2 black males named greg

I know at least 10, it's not really an uncommon name..

[doctor_J]

and if he was seeing her before December he could be on his way to becoming an RSO.

Wouldn't that depend on whether he was over 24?

[Leather&Lace]

Do you remember the first few days of video with Ron and Misty, there was a young black man right behind them is some of those videos? I can't recall his name but he was supposidly a friend of Ron's.

Oh vey, Nancy is just finding out about Snodgrass.

moo

Odd you posted this question. I am out looking right now for several pics I found the first of the week with a black guy in the pics.

Yes, remember. Stay tuned, still checking.

[MrLucky917B]

Wouldn't that depend on whether he was over 24?

I was going to add that in but forgot:thumbup:

[bama__angel]

Maybe the person did intend to take both children, hence the propped open door, but after they took Haleigh out to the vehicle, whatever they transported her in, and went back to get Jr. that is when Misty returned home and as such "interrupted" the abduction attempt of both children...

JMO

I have wondered if perhaps an intruder was interrupted before he or she could take both children......I have wondered if maybe this was orchestrated from Crystal's side of the family........if Crystal and her fammily truly believed the kids were being abused by Ron......she might have arranged for them to be taken and hid until she could prove abuse conclusively......

[CC I See]

I have wondered if perhaps an intruder was interrupted before he or she could take both children......I have wondered if maybe this was orchestrated from Crystal's side of the family........if Crystal and her fammily truly believed the kids were being abused by Ron......she might have arranged for them to be taken and hid until she could prove abuse conclusively........... I dont think that she did. All she would of had to do was not returned them from the last time she had them for the weekend. She could then call someone and tell them why and to for them to look into the abuse allegations.

[playnice]

I have wondered if perhaps an intruder was interrupted before he or she could take both children......I have wondered if maybe this was orchestrated from Crystal's side of the family........if Crystal and her fammily truly believed the kids were being abused by Ron......she might have arranged for them to be taken and hid until she could prove abuse conclusively......

I sure wouldnt rule that out just yet.

[teresa]

Odd you posted this question. I am out looking right now for several pics I found the first of the week with a black guy in the pics.

Yes, remember. Stay tuned, still checking.

He is not "Greg". Please let's not do this.

[Leather&Lace]

He is not "Greg". Please let's not do this.

OK, Teresa. I will respectfully drop the matter as you have asked.
It sounds like you may know this young man.

[MrLucky917B]

New Thread

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12915550#post12915550

[CC I See]

Of those choices, I would vote for door #1, because door #4 is better than doors #2 and 3 for everyone involved. I mean, who kidnaps/kills a kid to hide a visit, let alone two people thinking the same thing?
.....well, I would say that it all depends on what they did to Haleigh on that visit that they were trying to hide.

[bama__angel]

..... I dont think that she did. All she would of had to do was not returned them from the last time she had them for the weekend. She could then call someone and tell them why and to for them to look into the abuse allegations.



IMO.....I thought that Crystal had already reported abuse allegations to DCS and they had investigated and found nothing to warrant her allegations.....
If I were truly terrified that my children were being abused by their dad, and had reported this and nothing came of it....I would certainly turn to another means to get my kids out of that situation.....

[Leather&Lace]

IIRC the black dude you're thinking of isn't Greg and had only honorable intentions. I would suggest you not post it.


No intention of posting any pictures. This issue is dropped.
TY

[MrLucky917B]

New Thread Here

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12915550#post12915550

[teresa]

Thanks, so his name isn't Greg.

LOL, no. That made me laugh.

[bama__angel]

It costs a great deal of money. I know plenty of people who eventually got their children back but it took years 1/2 a decade or more and 10's of 1,000's of dollars. Not everyone has those resources. I think that's a very unfair and judgemental statement and No I have never had the personal grief in case anyone's wondering.



We were discussing if perhaps Crystal in desperation and terror might have tried to take both children from Ron and hid them until she could prove abuse....

I dont understand what you think is unfair and judgmental.....

[teresa]

..... I dont think that she did. All she would of had to do was not returned them from the last time she had them for the weekend. She could then call someone and tell them why and to for them to look into the abuse allegations.

Good point. That's why I think her charges now are false. Not to mention a pediatric nurse not doing anything about it.