Charles Manson's latest mugshot.

[Xainia]

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The photo of the 74-year-old Manson was taken on Wednesday as part of a routine update of files on inmates at Corcoran State Prison, where he is serving a life sentence for conspiring to murder seven people, said Seth Unger, spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

[Shameonme]

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He dosn't look anything like he use to does he.

http://www.artificialeyes.tv/files/610x-2.jpg

[warhorse46]

WOW!

I wouldn't have recognized him! Only thing familiar about his face is the swastika


He doesn't have the wild hair now that he did in the past. Not nearly as scary looking without it either.

[incidentally]

It's amazing what a haircut can do. :blink:

[airportwoman]

I wish that oxygen thief would just die.

[jewel6]

he still has a scary look! :scared: uggh. I hope prison has not been kind to him! JMO

[Spyder88]

barf

:chicken:

[crocdog1]

He doesn't look scary. He looks like he could be your next door neighbor, or the manager at the local corner grocery store.

Don't let these looks deceive you. This guy is evil in the flesh. Every day on this earth is wasted oxygen for the maggots.

[Xainia]

He doesn't look scary. He looks like he could be your next door neighbor, or the manager at the local corner grocery store.

Don't let these looks deceive you. This guy is evil in the flesh. Every day on this earth is wasted oxygen for the maggots.

That is what struck me about this picture. It could be anyone.
He used to be recognizable.

Can't say I disagree with your last sentence. I am anti death penalty except in some cases. And this be one of those.

[Justins Mom]

The one thing about Charlie that will never change are those cold dark dead eyes.

Sharon, those were my thoughts exactly but back in the Helter Skelter days, the eyes were more "wild" Todays eyes are pointed or direct or focused.

The man is a walking time bomb

[Mr. Moto2]

I was surprised to read that Manson was friends with Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys. It's a crazy and creepy story.

[Adalena935]

I didn't know if he was friends with one of the beach boys. I thought it was that he knew someone who knew one of the beach boys and got that person to agree to listen to a tape of music Manson had made. He fancied himself a big rock star I think. At one time one of the people lived at a house next door to the LaBianca's home. When Manson was taken there on the pre-arranged night to play his guitar for the group, no one was impressed and Manson was silently rejected and nothing came of it for his dreamed-of rock star fantasy.

I believe this is one reason he chose that house. It turned out when Manson took his murderous crew back to that neighborhood to do the killing, they saw photos of children and claimng to revere children manson directed them to the house next door. Where the LaBiancas lived.

I think it was revenge on society. I think manson wanted to be in prison because he was definitely institutionalized in my opinion. He'd never known any other life and I think for him any excuse would do. When he got out of prison he made a bee-line for the bay area took up strumming his guitar and when he was rejected as a world class musician he lashed out killing.

I can't believe they ever consider releasing Van Houten. They're all a bunch of no goods. Manson's nothing but a coward. Every so often his fellow inmates Juan Corona and I can't remember who else would try to kill him and the attempt would be in the paper. I couldn't help but smile with the mental picture of the little weasel hot-footing it back to his cell yelling for the guards to save him. LOL

[Adalena935]

I knew the LaBiancas. They were real decent folks. So kind to me when I was young and just starting out. I knew the boy in the driveway. I knew Jay Sebring. They were all wonderful. I was out of town when the crimes happened. When they took Steven out of the car on tv news I didn't know who he was. No one did then. I was with family and we were somewhat mesmerized just staring at the tv while they showed the footage and reported on it. It didn't dawn on me until yrs later what an odd thing that they all ended up at the same place those nights. Hollywood and southern california seemed like a small close knit community in those days and in a lot of ways it was. It was a wonderful place and time to be young.

I belonged to a church youth group and people told us there was a guy out in the desert calling himself god and to stay away; he was crazy. Nobody could've dreamed the connection. I've read Helter Skelter several times and still can't believe it happened.

Horrifying when they allowed Van Houten parole hearings just one year apart at one point. I was terrified they were going to let her out. I pray they never do. They're real bad people. Tex Watson saying he's become a preacher with a ministry is an outrage as is the state allowing him to reproduce.

They were all such good people and did good in society. Manson and his group of evil nuts contributed nothing and just heaped misery and tore things apart and were destroyers of good.

I don't know how any of the families withstood the grief.

[Lynne]

Adalena, I can't even imagine what you and everyone around you went through in those dark days of the Manson murders. I was a freshman in high school, and living on the east coast, when this happened. In the summer of '71, I moved to the Mojave Desert area briefly. This is where I learned of Manson and his gang, and this is when I developed my interest in true crime cases.

There was a "second" Charles Manson made for tv movie aired (I believe it was also on Lifetime, not positive) which included Dennis Wilson's experience with Manson and his gaggle of friends. I am thinking that this was aired in 2004-2005. The weird thing is that this movie has not been replayed!!! Wonder why?

Anyway, I just wanted to give you a hug and let you know that your response in this thread piqued my interest. Thanks for sharing. :)

[boomer]

I lived in Calif when the Manson Murders were committed. I was horrified at the time and being a hippy myself didn't want society to think that all hippies were like charles manson.
I wish that charles manson and all of his sick followers were put to death, I don't get the death penalty at all.
The death penalty should have been used on all of them.

[Lynne]

Boomer, the death penalty WAS given to Charles Manson, Susan Atkins, Leslie Van Houten, and Patricia Krenwinkle when they were convicted. BUT, the death penalty was overturned in California shortly after their conviction. Maybe some California folks can chime in to give the year that DP was nixed in California after the Manson murders? Was this elimination of the death penalty enacted through citizen vote?

[boomer]

and tex watson...I moved away a few yrs after that and really didn't want to think about them.

[Lynne]

You have nothing to fear from these losers, Boomer, their light has been extinguished. The few who are left have no voice, media wise, and will have no voice "toofs-wise" in the near future, lol.

[Lynne]

March 29, 1971.......verdicts recommending the death penalty were returned for Charles Manson, Susan Atkins, Leslie Van Houten, and Patricia Krenwinkle.

In February 1972, the death sentences of all five parties were automatically reduced to life in prison by California v. Anderson, 493 P.2d 880, 6 Cal. 3d 628 (Cal. 1972), in which the Supreme Court of California abolished the death penalty in that state.[140]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

[gnm109]

I lived about two miles from the site of those murders when they occurred. Everyone was terrified to go out at night after that week. I used to see the Manson girls on Topanga Canyon Blvd. just sitting on the corner at Ventura Blvd from time to time before the murders occuirred. They all had their heads shaved and their foreheads cut with Swastikas when I saw them. They lived at a home up in the Canyon.

One of their attorneys, a fellow named Michael Harper, was found dead in a stream up on Topanga Canyon during the time that he did some work for the family. I don't think anyone was ever charged in that case.

They also killed a fellow named Shorty Shea at the Spahn Ranch. One of their friends, Bobby Boseileil, was convicted of the murder of Gary Hinman with circumstances similar to the Tate and LaBianca killings. He is serving a life sentence after having been sentenced to death like the Manson family. He also received life when the DP law was changed in 1972.

It was only by a fluke that they escaped death row when the law was changed. There was an incredible amount of notoriety at the time and the case is still a political football. With one of two of them coming up for parole now and then and legal actions in Roman Polanki's case recently being heard, the case is still in the news even to this day.

IMHO, they will never be let out.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

http://www.charliemanson.com/beausoleil.htm

[gnm109]

I really do believe that Leslie Van Houten will be paroled one day. She wasn't at the Tate murders, and the stab wounds that she inflicted on Mrs. La Bianca were shown by an autopsy to have taken place after Rosemary was already dead. A judge already ruled in her favor at one point just a few years ago, although that ruling was later overturned on appeal. I believe that she was just a naive teenager who got swept up by Manson and drugs.......She has already served nearly 40 years in prison. Serial killers and some of the most evil criminals in our society have served FAR LESS time in prison than Leslie for far worse.....and yes, I also believe in forgiving people for their sins.

JMO


I just noticed your above comment regarding the possibility that Leslie Van Houten might be paroled some day insomuch as it could be possible that the knife wounds inflicted by her could have been done after death in the LaBianca case.

Even if she were not present at the Tate murders, she was clearly acting in concert with the family the following night at the LaBianca home. Even if one could be certain that the victim was dead at the time....oh well, it's a moot point in any case since she was present at the murder. She needn't have done anything. Her mere presence would have been enough under the circumstances. There's no "bystander rule" for people who act together to commit murder.

The felony murder rule would handle the facts you mention in any case. Conspiracy to murder, acting in concert, buglary with entry to commit a felony, and so on would have been more than enough to convict her.

I'm also not moved by your compassion and willingness to forgive people for their sins. The Almighty is empowered to do that from what I understand. Here on earth, there are different rules.

If you had been in the Los Angeles area the night after the LaBianca Killings, you probably would have a different viewpoint. The killers were not yet apprehended. The people in Los Angeles were terrorized!

I surely cannot forgive the killers. It was enough to make you gag to read the newspaper coverage of it. I laugh when Charlie Namson saye he never killed anyone. Right Charlie. Whatever you say.

[Mr. Moto2]

I didn't know if he was friends with one of the beach boys. I thought it was that he knew someone who knew one of the beach boys and got that person to agree to listen to a tape of music Manson had made. He fancied himself a big rock star I think. At one time one of the people lived at a house next door to the LaBianca's home. When Manson was taken there on the pre-arranged night to play his guitar for the group, no one was impressed and Manson was silently rejected and nothing came of it for his dreamed-of rock star fantasy.

I believe this is one reason he chose that house. It turned out when Manson took his murderous crew back to that neighborhood to do the killing, they saw photos of children and claimng to revere children manson directed them to the house next door. Where the LaBiancas lived.

I think it was revenge on society. I think manson wanted to be in prison because he was definitely institutionalized in my opinion. He'd never known any other life and I think for him any excuse would do. When he got out of prison he made a bee-line for the bay area took up strumming his guitar and when he was rejected as a world class musician he lashed out killing.

I can't believe they ever consider releasing Van Houten. They're all a bunch of no goods. Manson's nothing but a coward. Every so often his fellow inmates Juan Corona and I can't remember who else would try to kill him and the attempt would be in the paper. I couldn't help but smile with the mental picture of the little weasel hot-footing it back to his cell yelling for the guards to save him. LOL

I've only read the Wikipedia article, which may be wrong, of course. It says Dennis Wilson and Manson became friends, and the Manson Family stayed with Dennis in his home for a few months. Dennis also paid for studio time so Manson could record his songs. I think Manson was dangerously charismatic and manipulative. He could suck people in. Dennis Wilson wisely broke away from him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Wilson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

[gnm109]

Sorry gnm109, but I wasn't trying to convince anyone to change their views by saying that I am able to forgive Leslie. That is simply me. Even as you said about Leslie being present at the LaBianca murder, 40 YEARS in prison is more than enough for being PRESENT at the scene of the crime, in my opinion. We can argue this back and forth but I am entitled to an opinion. Also, we all know that on the evening the LaBiancas were killed had everything happened the way it had BUT THESE PEOPLE HADN'T BEEN ASSOCIATED IN ANY WAY with Manson, and had acted alone, Leslie Van Houten would have been out of prison a long long time ago.......Once again, people who have done far worse than Leslie didn't even serve a fraction of their sentence before being released. And seriously, Leslie Van Houten is now an old granny at this point....I doubt she is going to reoffend once she is released. I think that it would be far better if the parole board focused on keeping repeat sex offenders from being released instead.

JMO


Well of course you're entitled to your opinion. You have to be realisic about the case, however. Those people, and I refer to all of the Manson family, are what you would call "radioactive". Anyone who would even consider voting to release any of them would immediately be villified by the press.

There's no positive aspect to letting them out. It would be a serious mistake for any public official ever to let them out. It's just not in the cards.

Another similar case is Sirhan Bshara Sirhan, the killer of Bobby Kennedy. He gets a a parole hearing every few years. He's not going anywhere, either, not after murdering a much-admired public person such as Kennedy.

As to sex offenders, that's going to get taken care of in the next few years. Many states, including Califonria, besides giving longer and longer sentences as well as death, are leaning towards post-release civil commitment to keep them off the streets.

But the issue of sex offenders should in no way be a point for comparison to Charlie Manson and his ilk. As far as I'm concerned, all of them can stay in jail forever. That would include sex offenders, murderers, you name it. No outs. One strike.

My 2 cents.

[Lynne]

This is going to be tough for me to say because I am not a member of a family that has experienced the murder of a family member.

My heart tells me that it is time for Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkle to be released from prison. They were so young, and soooooooooooo influenced by Charles Manson and drugs 30 some years ago when these horrific crimes were committed.

I believe that they are reformed.

[gnm109]

This is going to be tough for me to say because I am not a member of a family that has experienced the murder of a family member.

My heart tells me that it is time for Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkle to be released from prison. They were so young, and soooooooooooo influenced by Charles Manson and drugs 30 some years ago when these horrific crimes were committed.

I believe that they are reformed.


Well, it only proves the old adages that say "I guess you had to be there." and "It's easier to forgive than it is to forget."

It's unfortunate that if one were to read old newspaper clippings of the events of that brief period, the level of fear and abject terror really doesn't come through. Virtually everyone who lived in Los Angeles at that time, myself included, was terrified. I saw the photographs of the murder scene in the nespapers at the time and it was like a vision of hell. It was a pointless slaughter of innocents by madmen (and women).

They may be reformed as you say, but they're not getting out anytime soon. They already missed a date with the executioner and, as I said in my earlier post above, the isue is "radioactive".

Furthermore, youth, drug use and undue influence are not a legal excuse for such savagery. No one is ever going to vote to release any of them. If they were to release Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie Van Houten, they might as well go ahead and release Charlie Manson, Tex Watson and Susan Atkins. They can be reformed and stay in prison. JMO, of course, as usual.