Thursday March 19, 2009

[MrLucky917B]

Hope for Haleigh

[ZooCrew2009]

Nancy Grace Transcripts

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html

[aproudmom]

Thank you Lucky for the new thread:smile:

[Leather&Lace]

Hope for Haleigh

:wub:TY for the new, clean thread MrLucky

[5boxersmom]

Van info. I am sick and maybe I am not comprehending like I should but I thought the van was the SIL's. Then I read this......


“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

So the van is Misty's?

imo

[Leather&Lace]

Van info. I am sick and maybe I am not comprehending like I should but I thought the van was the SIL's. Then I read this......


“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

So the van is Misty's?

imo

Sorry to hear you are not feeling well Boxermom! Hope you are better soon.

This whole van story bothers me as well. Let me look around and see what I can find out about this. In the meantime, maybe another poster will pop over on this new thread that has some knowledge.

Great point.

[Motomom]

Van info. I am sick and maybe I am not comprehending like I should but I thought the van was the SIL's. Then I read this......


“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

So the van is Misty's?

imo

I do not understand how the reporters or the editor screws these articles up so much. No idea, that quote makes it sound like it is misty's van, but in the beginning it is the van chelsea drives and a family member was staying with them? or was it loaned out? ugg

[5boxersmom]

Sorry to hear you are not feeling well Boxermom! Hope you are better soon.

This whole van story bothers me as well. Let me look around and see what I can find out about this. In the meantime, maybe another poster will pop over on this new thread that has some knowledge.

Great point.


TY. Stupid sinus infection. :mad:

The whole van story is so confusing.

imo

[MrLucky917B]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

Snipped

“The scratch---it runs all the way down the van. That’s something someone would know if you’re riding against something and steadily scratching it.”
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Bolding Mine. I just have to wonder if Misty is saying "Please tell me" or is she really saying, "Please say......."

The type of scratch you would get while taking the backway out of an area through the woods from a ponit that only had 1 road going in and out.

JMO

[5boxersmom]

So who is the family member, and who moved the van??? Anyone know?

I think it is suppose to be Cousin Joe.

imo

[Leather&Lace]

Ok, in this video clip, Misty mentions her (Misty's) blanket being left in the van they took. I assume she is referring to the van that her SIL drives. At about 35, 36, 37 sec into interview ~

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

Sounds like Misty may have used or a few family members use this van. I do not think it is Misty's van or she would have said "my van".

Reporter error IMO on the other link.

[MrLucky917B]

This whole case has me confused.



get well soon :rose:

It has everyone confused, especially LE and they have all the evidence.

JMO

[aproudmom]

Van info. I am sick and maybe I am not comprehending like I should but I thought the van was the SIL's. Then I read this......


“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

So the van is Misty's?

imo

WOW thanks I have been trying to figure out what was up with a van. thanks for the link hope you get to feeling better 5Boxersmom

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

[aproudmom]

Ok, in this video clip, Misty mentions her (Misty's) blanket being left in the van they took. I assume she is referring to the van that her SIL drives. At about 35, 36, 37 sec into interview ~

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

Sounds like Misty may have used or a few family members use this van. I do not think it is Misty's van or she would have said "my van".

Reporter error IMO on the other link.

I am getting the same thing as you it sounds as if it was not mistys van didnt her brother stop by that night?

[5boxersmom]

TY Proudmom and FallenAngel.

So maybe the van was an extra of Misty's parents and everyone used it? If so that means Misty could have walked from the Cummings home that night and got that van. Then put it back.

imo

[teresa]

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

SATSUMA, Fla. -- Sitting in the driveway of Misty Cummings former home is a van driven by her sister-in-law. The light blue vehicle doesn’t look like anything out of the ordinary, but it was something investigators thought important enough to impound and analyze at their crime lab for weeks.

SNIP

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Bolding Mine. I just have to wonder if Misty is saying "Please tell me" or is she really saying, "Please say......."

That makes no sense. In one quote the SIL says the van is hers and in the other she says Misty's. I'm beginning to believe the press down there is not doing a good job. Who could proof read that and not ask - who does the van belong to?

I think this is also on video, right?

[teresa]

So who is the family member, and who moved the van??? Anyone know?

They say Cousin Joe was staying there so that's the assumption.

[forensicfan]

Cousin Joe was staying with Misty and Ron or the SIL?

[aproudmom]

TY Proudmom and FallenAngel.

So maybe the van was an extra of Misty's parents and everyone used it? If so that means Misty could have walked from the Cummings home that night and got that van. Then put it back.

imo

It is odd how it is stated on the link you provided it did sound as if it was misty's but hard to tell since the media gets things screwed up. I am wondering is she saying the family member may have taken it that night I am guessing they are talking about the cousin?
I would like to know if it had keys left in it or if they had keys laying around it is odd it had been moved that night and the damage to it.

thanks you again

[teresa]

Well according to what she say's Misty said it was her (Misty's) van.
I wonder though too if there were a chance that she did scratch the van but how conveneint it happened at this time so she wouldn't have to own up to doing it herself? I am sure that LE took fingerprints and what not. That should pretty much tell who drove the darn thing or not.

In the beginning and end of the article, she says it is her family's van. I hope LE isn't depending on reporters down there.

[Leather&Lace]

TY Proudmom and FallenAngel.

So maybe the van was an extra of Misty's parents and everyone used it? If so that means Misty could have walked from the Cummings home that night and got that van. Then put it back.

imo


Thinking the same thing here. Wonder why Misty's blanket would be in the Van to start with?:confused:

If Misty needed to wash Haleigh's blanket because of peepee would she not need to wash sheets as well? :confused:

Certainly hope that LE has a grip on this VAN situation. Maybe there will be a break in the case before long. The only thing that hurts to type is that I do not think there is much hope of little Haleigh being found alive at this point. Most likely, Haleigh was killed or died accidentally the night she went missing. :crying:
MOO

[aproudmom]

Cousin Joe was staying with Misty and Ron or the SIL?

I am guessing whoever it was they were staying at mistys brothers place. RC said the cousin was never there but TN said he was so who knows:confused:

Chelsea Croslin believes the only explanation is that at some point during the night Haleigh was taken, the family member staying with her took the van. Police said they have tracked that man down and questioned him. They also said he has not been ruled out as a suspect.

[teresa]

I am getting the same thing as you it sounds as if it was not mistys van didnt her brother stop by that night?

And in that same article, the SIL says it's her (the SIL's) van. Crazy, bizarre, unreal. I hope LE knows the scoop because either the reporting is shoddy or the SIL is daffy or the van is a community van.

[Leather&Lace]

I am getting the same thing as you it sounds as if it was not mistys van didnt her brother stop by that night?


I flip-flop like crazy on this case. :blink: Like crazy I tell you!

Her cousin IIRC but all this finger pointing is getting bothersome. I am now back to thinking Misty is definitely the key to this case. Hope that LE has some top notch experts to help determine meaning of the behaviors of everyone related to this case.


MOO

[aproudmom]

OK why are they not bringing misty back in to get this timeline if that is all they want from her I would think she would have been able to tell them the timeline by now. 30 hours and still has not got a timeline wt heck:confused:
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Detectives-Pointing-Fingers-At-New-Step-Mother-s/MW686_FuKkec5zZxITxJ6w.cspx

[Leather&Lace]

The type of scratch you would get while taking the backway out of an area through the woods from a ponit that only had 1 road going in and out.

JMO


Also the type of scratch that would happen if someone were nervous, scared and in a hurry to drive out of a ticket of trees/bushes. :scared:

MOO

[teresa]

I'm scratching my head wondering if they should even depend upon who they are interviewing down there either anymore?
Can this get any more confusing?

Not for me. Wow. Either Cousin Joe took the keys and went somewhere, with or without Haleigh, or Misty took it. I don't know what to believe. I don't think a stranger would have taken it and brought it back.

I think Cousin Joe rode down there with a friend. Does anyone remember the details on that? If so, he had to go back to the house to get picked up to go home. Or heck, the other guy may have been at the brother's house, too. I'm thoroughly confused. I would think LE has the details worked out on the van by now. I hope.

[Mayasmimi]

I'm scratching my head wondering if they should even depend upon who they are interviewing down there either anymore?
Can this get any more confusing?

I completely agree. Something is off. Certainly LE knows.....we hope. How can this baby be missing, with no real suspect, let alone an arrest (or two)? The adults in her short life are not rocket scientists.

[teresa]

I am guessing whoever it was they were staying at mistys brothers place. RC said the cousin was never there but TN said he was so who knows:confused:

Chelsea Croslin believes the only explanation is that at some point during the night Haleigh was taken, the family member staying with her took the van. Police said they have tracked that man down and questioned him. They also said he has not been ruled out as a suspect.

I thought cousin Joe was really there (at Ron's) at some point in his two week visit. I think we just don't know what day.

[Leather&Lace]

The past few days i've been getting really bad vibes about Misty. Some how i think something bad happen and she holds the keys to what happen.

I honestly don't think Ronalds involved though. and if Misty's involved I think Ronald will freak out.


IA, I think Ronald will go nuts!

It is a possibility that Haleigh died through an accident. What if she drowned in the bathtub that night. What if Misty was deathly afraid to face Ronald and decided it would be better if someone took Haleigh.

Maybe that is why the pink shirt was in the dirty clothes pile. Haleigh took the shirt off to take a bath. Just speculation and throwing out some thoughts.

MOO

[Mayasmimi]

The past few days i've been getting really bad vibes about Misty. Some how i think something bad happen and she holds the keys to what happen.

I honestly don't think Ronalds involved though. and if Misty's involved I think Ronald will freak out.

Why the heck did he marry her, when he said he would not leave until his baby was home? Oh....Tattoo and NYC trips? Something is just not at all right with those two. You'd think Geragos or Allred...or the like, would be all over this "couple". I think the newlyweds need a handler.

So Crystal appears with an attorney and NG tonight...and gets bashed? First by Nancy, then by many posters here?

I am more confused than ever.

[teresa]

This makes me think one of three things happened:

-Misty took the van to get rid of Haleigh because something happened to her

-Misty took the van and went somewhere leaving the kids alone

-Cousin Joe took the van and went somewhere but may or may not have taken Haleigh

Won't LE be able to tell what made the scratch? That may be why they kept it so long, waiting on tests to come back? I think Cobra may be right and we will know soon. If it is Misty, they better arrest her before Ron finds out.

[aproudmom]

I thought cousin Joe was really there (at Ron's) at some point in his two week visit. I think we just don't know what day.

ok thanks I wonder why they would want him around if Misty did not trust him and she said he had a bad background he should not have not been around those kids IMO If they felt he could not be trusted.

[teresa]

ok thanks I wonder why they would want him around if Misty did not trust him and she said he had a bad background he should not have not been around those kids IMO If they felt he could not be trusted.

In the interview I read (I don't know how accurate these interviews are now) Misty said he came over with her brother. I think that's when all the fight stuff happened. I have heard it was about two weeks before Haleigh went missing but that was from a local poster (supposedly anyway).

[5boxersmom]

The past few days i've been getting really bad vibes about Misty. Some how i think something bad happen and she holds the keys to what happen.

I honestly don't think Ronalds involved though. and if Misty's involved I think Ronald will freak out.

Yes me too about Misty. I have never felt Ron was involved.

imo

[aproudmom]

Did anyone notice Misty said they used to call me step-mom? maybe nothing just caught it on NG and in the interview with the bald guy
I pray this Cobra has something he seems so sure I dont want another Lenny P even though I kinda miss the old fart lol

I also noticed misty was not the poor little girl in this latest interview she seemed alot diff. kinda cocky may just be me.

[teresa]

Sad to say but i think that's a possibility.

I think it is too. I just don't know how she can still fool the FBI, etc. She's have to majorly flunk her LDT if it is this and not just little inconsistent statements.

Detective S(?) said he would not consider Misty a suspect but just wants to nail down her timeline. Do you think he's trying to make her feel confident and slip up?

We've known about the van and the scratches or dents for weeks but I never thought about if Misty drove it.

[aproudmom]

The past few days i've been getting really bad vibes about Misty. Some how i think something bad happen and she holds the keys to what happen.

I honestly don't think Ronalds involved though. and if Misty's involved I think Ronald will freak out.

You are not alone FallenAngel I have felt the same way just kept trying to think she is safe but it is getting to look like something happened to Haleigh:( the the van has me very worried now.
I do not think RC did anything to his child.

[Leather&Lace]

Did anyone notice Misty said they used to call me step-mom? maybe nothing just caught it on NG and in the interview with the bald guy
I pray this Cobra has something he seems so sure I dont want another Lenny P even though I kinda miss the old fart lol

I also noticed misty was not the poor little girl in this latest interview she seemed alot diff. kinda cocky may just be me.

If Misty is involved or has knowledge of the events..
Maybe she is confident because it does not appear she is under scrutiny.

Misty has referred to Haleigh in the past tense several times that I heard.

Oh, :laugh:I kinda miss the old fart too LOL.

[Mayasmimi]

FGS Ron never said "the cousin was never there". He only said the cousin wasn't at the house the night before Haleigh went missing. TN has consistently agreed.

The cousin was at the house 2-3 weeks prior to the night Haleigh went missing. Check the Links thread, or Google it.

I'm not here much, but I swear that I "know" that the cousin was at the house the day before Haleigh went missing. Or maybe the day of her missing. We don't know...if we know what time Ron left for work, and Ron had nothing to do with this....then sometime after he left for work and just before he arrived home early the next day.

My heart and head ache.

[aproudmom]

I think it is too. I just don't know how she can still fool the FBI, etc. She's have to majorly flunk her LDT if it is this and not just little inconsistent statements.

Detective S(?) said he would not consider Misty a suspect but just wants to nail down her timeline. Do you think he's trying to make her feel confident and slip up?

We've known about the van and the scratches or dents for weeks but I never thought about if Misty drove it.

I think they are hoping she will crack and talk more so they keep on her and may find out more I think something is very wrong here she is either afraid to say she left the kids or she may know more JMO

[Leather&Lace]

I think it is too. I just don't know how she can still fool the FBI, etc. She's have to majorly flunk her LDT if it is this and not just little inconsistent statements.

Detective S(?) said he would not consider Misty a suspect but just wants to nail down her timeline. Do you think he's trying to make her feel confident and slip up?

We've known about the van and the scratches or dents for weeks but I never thought about if Misty drove it.

You know that LE will mislead a POI or a suspect to throw them off.
Maybe LE or the admin of the LDT did tell Misty she passed and it was a total ugh, untruth.

Wonder who from the LE department went to NYC last week? On the same plane, in the same hotel, etc.
I know Misty & Ron were watched like a hawk while out of town.
MOO

[Mayasmimi]

If Misty is involved, I do not think she has LE fooled at all. Very rarely is these kind of cases is there a confession. Especially when a child who is close to the perp dies.

Agree!!! I don't think anyone involved has fooled the FBI. They might not yet have proof, but the certainly know. I think like that.

[Mayasmimi]

I am new, been watching the boards for a couple of months and kind of taking it all in. I wonder if I have missed what time Jr. went to bed. Please tell me if I have this wrong, but I think Misty said that she put the kids to bed at 8:00 but the last time I heard her she said that she put clean bedding on her bed about 10:00, covered Haleigh up and went to bed right after that, so did she wake Jr. and move him to make her bed? Who would do that?

Good question. Anyone? Odd. Where was Jr. before Misty made her bed, since he was in her bed.....as she stated? Now....it's easy to pick up and place a sleeping child in bed. Still this is a good question.

[Leather&Lace]

Would be VERY interesting to know what they talked about before and after that show.


You bet. To be a fly on the wall.

[Mayasmimi]

I respect your right to believe you "know" that the cousin was at the house "the day before" or "the day of". We know Ron worked from 4 pm to 3 am, and that LE is satisfied with his alibi. So what time do you think the cousin was there, and do you believe he stole Haleigh?


Earlier in the day....I do not believe he stole Haleigh. When I wrote "Know".......air quote.

I don't believe the cousin had anything to do with this. JMO. Easy person to blaim. JMO.

[teresa]

I think they are hoping she will crack and talk more so they keep on her and may find out more I think something is very wrong here she is either afraid to say she left the kids or she may know more JMO

Yeah, I think if it isn't cousin Joe, Misty either left them or something happened to Haleigh under her watch. I wish we knew if Misty has a car. There is an older model car always shown right in front in all the early pictures and videos. I wish I knew who it belonged to.

[Leather&Lace]

Good question. Anyone? Odd. Where was Jr. before Misty made her bed, since he was in her bed.....as she stated? Now....it's easy to pick up and place a sleeping child in bed. Still this is a good question.


OK as I understand it, I heard Misty say in an interview that Haleigh wanted to watch one video movie and Junior wanted to watch a different video. She put Haleigh in the bedroom and Junior on the couch in the living room.

Anyone? did I recall correctly.

If so, Junior may have been in the living room until Misty made up her bed.

[aproudmom]

OK I am a big NG fan and I do not think I will ever watch her again for one I am not for RC or Crystal but why is her background being brought up but she did not dare ask RC anything to do with his or how he lived I think this is really so sad. I do not care if she was the not the perfect mommy in the world but I am sure it goes both ways so why only throw nasty comments to crystal??what does a car she said was stolen but then said she lied about it being stolen...what does it have to do with Haleigh? she can not get a break she needs to just shut her mouth along with her lawyer I guess. JMO

Once again I am not siding with crystal but why beat the mom to pieces but not misty and RC sham on you Nancy there goes your signed photo you sent me..lol..:rolleyes:

[Leather&Lace]

I am new, been watching the boards for a couple of months and kind of taking it all in. I wonder if I have missed what time Jr. went to bed. Please tell me if I have this wrong, but I think Misty said that she put the kids to bed at 8:00 but the last time I heard her she said that she put clean bedding on her bed about 10:00, covered Haleigh up and went to bed right after that, so did she wake Jr. and move him to make her bed? Who would do that?


WELCOME doglover!:biggrin:

See my post Number 69 regarding your question.

[teresa]

Good question. Anyone? Odd. Where was Jr. before Misty made her bed, since he was in her bed.....as she stated? Now....it's easy to pick up and place a sleeping child in bed. Still this is a good question.

Didn't Misty say in a recent interview that Jr watched a movie in the living room and Haleigh in the bedroom because they wanted to watch different movies. Maybe Jr fell asleep on the couch and she moved him after she "made" the bed. Or, when she says "made the bed" she means putting the blanket on it.

Or, she let something happen to Haleigh and messed up in that interview.

[Mayasmimi]

OK I am a big NG fan and I do not think I will ever watch her again for one I am not for RC or Crystal but why is her background being brought up but she did not dare ask RC anything to do with his or how he lived I think this is really so sad. I do not care if she was the not the perfect mommy in the world but I am sure it goes both ways so why only throw nasty comments to crystal??what does a car she said was stolen but then said she lied about it being stolen...what does it have to do with Haleigh? she can not get a break she needs to just shut her mouth along with her lawyer I guess. JMO

Once again I am not siding with crystal but why beat the mom to pieces but not misty and RC sham on you Nancy there goes your signed photo you sent me..lol..:rolleyes:

I agree!!!!!!
Honest? I'll still watch when possible. Kinda like an accident on the highway.

[Mayasmimi]

OK as I understand it, I heard Misty say in an interview that Haleigh wanted to watch one video movie and Junior wanted to watch a different video. She put Haleigh in the bedroom and Junior on the couch in the living room.

Anyone? did I recall correctly.

If so, Junior may have been in the living room until Misty made up her bed.

Makes sense. Have done the same hundreds of times. Thanks for the info, and for not spanking me for not knowing that.

[aproudmom]

OK as I understand it, I heard Misty say in an interview that Haleigh wanted to watch one video movie and Junior wanted to watch a different video. She put Haleigh in the bedroom and Junior on the couch in the living room.

Anyone? did I recall correctly.

If so, Junior may have been in the living room until Misty made up her bed.

yes you are correct she did say that and there is a link to that last interview just google art harris and you should be able to watch the video. she is very much cocky to me in it. JMO

[teresa]

I think right from the start LE bugged their tent/trailer. It will not be the first time Florida has done this in a missing child case.

Yes, remember that fairly wealthy couple with the baby. They moved back home to Maryland or somewhere? And then got arrested, right? I'm fuzzy on the details but I know they bugged their home.

[Mayasmimi]

Well hopefully it will get all this out of the way. I think NG wants the big fish on her show, Misty. Going harder on Crystal could be just the ticket.

Hmmmm.....could be. Never occured to me.

[Leather&Lace]

I think right from the start LE bugged their tent/trailer. It will not be the first time Florida has done this in a missing child case.

Gosh, I sure hope LE followed thru on a routine practice while investigating this case. Most likely placed GPS devices on their vehicles as well.

JMO but I don't think LE just did a random search in that wooded area by the highway last week either. They are on to something and they are not looking for a live Haleigh.

Betcha forensics can tell what scratched that Van down the side. If it was a tree limb, fence post, another vehicle, etc., LE has a good idea what did the damage. JMO

[Leather&Lace]

There is another article about 2 weeks into this. Misty`s parents went to LE and told them to take another look at Joe. They were asking Fl to question him. Then the bizarre thing is they alert the media of what they have done. It seems awfully odd that they would brag about ratting out a family member and also alerting him LE could be on the way. Who does that?

See bold your post, like the Anthony's.

Throw anyone under the bus except your own child. JMO

[aproudmom]

Well hopefully it will get all this out of the way. I think NG wants the big fish on her show, Misty. Going harder on Crystal could be just the ticket.

I hope TREE It is just so sad not one word about HALEIGH no plea for her return nothing other than why she did not have custody and a time she lied about a freaking car.

[teresa]

I don't know Teresa....I really don't. I wonder if Ronald married Misty trying to get her to talk more....

Oh, I don't think he has enough self control! Either he doesn't have a clue or he truly loves her and just wants to believe her.

Why, since we knew about the van before now, do we all think Misty did something now and not earlier? Because that interview wasn't clear about who drives the van? Or because we know for sure the van was driven somewhere? Why am I just now feeling this way? Help!!

[teresa]

It seems we'll find out in the next 24 hours. Or at least I hope so, for Misty's sake.

Why 24 hours? Because they are through processing the van? If it has evidence, why didn't they keep it?

And why do you say for Misty's sake? That they will arrest her before Ron catches on and kills her or so that she will be cleared?

[teresa]

I hope TREE It is just so sad not one word about HALEIGH no plea for her return nothing other than why she did not have custody and a time she lied about a freaking car.

But that's the reason they were on. It said that on the website all day. To talk about abuse and custody. Nancy may have been wrong if she invited them, but they should not accept the offer either. I saw the lawyer on TV all day saying the same stuff. It was never about poor Haleigh.

[Leather&Lace]

Makes sense. Have done the same hundreds of times. Thanks for the info, and for not spanking me for not knowing that.

I've scratched my head on this one a thousand times.
Anyway I look at this case, it does not look good for little Haleigh.

:crying:If Haleigh is deceased, I hope they find her before it is too late to determine cause of death.

Awe, she is so cute too. Bet she has a really sweet little laugh.
Praying for you Haleigh girl!

[aproudmom]

See bold your post, like the Anthony's.

Throw anyone under the bus except your own child. JMO

OMG No not the Anthonys BREAKING NEWS she murdered caylee as a mercy killing now .:rolleyes:
I pray this case does not end up like caylees.:angry:

[Leather&Lace]

Jr was watching Madagasgar in the LR and Haleigh was watching Air Bud in the BR.


Thank you. I knew that but could not spell Madagasgar :laugh:and am too tired to look it up so just said video. :tonguewag:

Good job!

[teresa]

I've scratched my head on this one a thousand times.
Anyway I look at this case, it does not look good for little Haleigh.

:crying:If Haleigh is deceased, I hope they find her before it is too late to determine cause of death.

Awe, she is so cute too. Bet she has a really sweet little laugh.
Praying for you Haleigh girl!

I feel the same way. I'm regretting paying any attention to the news and falling for that sweet face. I almost don't want to know now. I will be heartsick if Misty hurt this girl or let something happen to her and put the rest of both families through this.

[Leather&Lace]

OMG No not the Anthonys BREAKING NEWS she murdered caylee as a mercy killing now .:rolleyes:
I pray this case does not end up like caylees.:angry:

You know, I say nothing will shock me with the Caylee case but I will be dog-gone but a mercy killing. When I heard that I was like W*H*A*T ?? Mercy my hiney.

Sorry for OT

[aproudmom]

did you miss all those night Nancy talked about Ronald and him doing drugs and working for the LE and how he might have hit Haleigh?


yeah..........guess you missed all that :bored:

Did she ask him on her show or just said it before? I dont recall her asking him about it when him and his mom was on the other night. sorry if I missed it my bad.
I am not taking up for crystal either if you took it that way I am just angry that Haleigh is not even being talked about.

once again sorry if I missed it the other night did not mean to bore you

[Leather&Lace]

In another group.

Does anyone remember me questioning the different time lines Misty gave as to when Haleigh and Jr. were put to bed and where etc...
(I copied this shhh) LOL!

Well here is what I was talking about.

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- She is the 17-year-old who hasn't had a lot to say about Haleigh Cummings disappearance until today.

"Thank you to everyone who's tried to help us," said Misty Croslin. Croslin is the girlfriend of Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings. She is also the last person to see Haleigh.

Croslin talked about how tired she was the night Haleigh disappeared. "I was over-exhausted. I was real tired. I had a long weekend," she said.

Croslin and Ronald Cummings reported Haleigh missing around 3:30 a.m. last Tuesday. The little girl's brother was also there.

"I remember him being up...I was half asleep...That was right after I laid down...Got up and walked out of my room...And the next thing I know I was out. I don't remember nothing after that," Croslin said.

Some are questioning whether or not Croslin was home the evening Haleigh disappeared. In response to those who question her, Croslin said, "They're lying...Wish they could come to me and tell me I wasn't home that night."

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx


Hang on cause here I go again.

Do you think someone could have slipped a "date-rape" type drug in something she was eating or drinking? I mean to just pass out like that from exhaustion. I've read or heard Misty talk about how exhausted she was that night.

:rolleyes: Wonder if she might be so tired because she is pregnant? You know how tired you are that first trimester.

[Leather&Lace]

I feel the same way. I'm regretting paying any attention to the news and falling for that sweet face. I almost don't want to know now. I will be heartsick if Misty hurt this girl or let something happen to her and put the rest of both families through this.


I'm not sure TN will ever be the same. She must love that little Haleigh to pieces. When she cries during her interviews (or fights to keep from crying) I just get a painful lump in my throat. Several nights I just cried right with her. (I do not cry easily either.) I feel TN is genuine and sincere.

Sweet little Haleigh. YES, it will be a crying shame if Misty is involved or has knowledge and has put the families through all this heartache.

JMO

[teresa]

This is what I think. The van has something to do with Haleigh missing. Whoever took the van also took Haleigh AND had control over the timing of the 911 call. Makes no sense to me that they would leave on that light, alerting Misty to something odd going on, then take the chance that 911 had not already been called when they brought back the van. From all I understand there is just one way in and one way out of that park. Who would take that kind of chance? Also you have to think about the time required for all that. SO want time with their victim, that's the whole purpose for their crimes, JMO.

Yeah, if it's a SO, I don't think he drove that van. It is either cousin Joe or Misty either accidentally or something. I can't imagine her hurting her on purpose but I don't have a feel for her like I do Ron or Crystal. She's flippant sometimes.

The only other choice is if the van is not connected even if someone drove it. I don't think they would just now be releasing it if that's the case though, do you?

[odyssey]

Hang on cause here I go again.

Do you think someone could have slipped a "date-rape" type drug in something she was eating or drinking? I mean to just pass out like that from exhaustion. I've read or heard Misty talk about how exhausted she was that night.

:rolleyes: Wonder if she might be so tired because she is pregnant? You know how tired you are that first trimester.

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx

Is she saying that when she went to bed that Jr. was up and walking around?

[aproudmom]

Ronald has been on NG's show several times.........
and yes she asked him a ton of questions a few weeks ago.....
and i'm not bored :)

LoL thanks I watch her sometimes 3 times a night I knew I had seen TN on there alot but I was ill for a couple days so I am sure I missed it. thanks glad I did not bore you..lol..

[Leather&Lace]

At this point it is just a guessing game. I'd like to see the LE get a warrant for her hair samples to check for drugs. Remember though too she was gone and out for 3 days prior also. I doubt either her or Ron had much sleep for the entire 3 days while she was gone.

ummm, about the hair sample. Makes me wonder now if a hair sample was collected from all family when DNA was collected. If not, hope that LE collected hair sample at least from Misty to check for any type of drugs.

I'll have to research because I cannot remember how long a person will deep sleep after being given the "date rape" drug. For some reason I thought it was like 8 - 10 hours. When they first wake up they are confused and hung over feeling. After giving it some thought, I do not think Misty would have just taken a little 3 - 4 hour nap on a serious drug like that. Nope, I'm ruling out my date rape drug theory.

My nic should be flip-flopping again.

[aproudmom]

This case should be about little Haleigh. I just wish all the adults and semi adults in this situation would get their act together and tell the whole truth about the night Haleigh disappeared. From what I have read we have heard half truths and the blame game. It is past time for these people to come clean so that Haleigh can come home no matter what the circumstances.
I just hate it when children are not a first priority with their families.
I have some suspicions about what happened to Haleigh but I do not believe it is the time or place for dirth laundry to be aired or half truths told.

jmoo

ITA Great post :thumbup:grammybear I think her own family is taking the focus off of her IMO.

[teresa]

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx

Is she saying that when she went to bed that Jr. was up and walking around?

That's what it sounds like. Maybe he watched the movie and either did or didn't fall asleep and she "made the bed" and put him in it with her. He may have got up for something. No wonder LE is saying she is inconsistent IF they are getting this drip by drip like we are.

[odyssey]

That's what it sounds like. Maybe he watched the movie and either did or didn't fall asleep and she "made the bed" and put him in it with her. He may have got up for something. No wonder LE is saying she is inconsistent IF they are getting this drip by drip like we are.

Well dang he coulda turned the light on. just don't know what to think.

g'night

[Leather&Lace]

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx

Is she saying that when she went to bed that Jr. was up and walking around?


From the link above
<quote>
"I remember him being up...I was half asleep...That was right after I laid down...Got up and walked out of my room...And the next thing I know I was out. I don't remember nothing after that," Croslin said.
<end quote>

I read it that Misty had just laid down and was half asleep.
Junior was up out of the bed and the last thing she remembers is Junior walking out of their bedroom.

If Junior was awake & up when Misty went to sleep then where was Haleigh and was she also up and walking around?
Geesh. What a mess!

[teresa]

This is what I think. The van has something to do with Haleigh missing. Whoever took the van also took Haleigh AND had control over the timing of the 911 call. Makes no sense to me that they would leave on that light, alerting Misty to something odd going on, then take the chance that 911 had not already been called when they brought back the van. From all I understand there is just one way in and one way out of that park. Who would take that kind of chance? Also you have to think about the time required for all that. SO want time with their victim, that's the whole purpose for their crimes, JMO.

Tree, are you still here? What if she did see Jr get up just as she fell asleep? I just checked my light switches to see if he could reach them. When my step-daughter came to live with me, she was very petite (she's only 5' barely at 17) and she would get up and turn the TV on and watch movies while we were asleep. She had just turned 5 though, not 4.

If Misty did something, why in the world would she throw the light was on stuff out there? Why mention that? Why prop the door open and not scratch around on the lock to at least make it look like someone broke in? Lord, I'm confused.

[Leather&Lace]

Nah not flip flopping. We are trying to iron out the details. Things keep changing from day to day so we are just trying to keep up with everything. Comparing theories and knowing how to argue while not making things personal is a talent and I am glad to see you and a few others here posting your thoughts. Good sparring partners are hard to find nowdays LOLOL!

~Where is little Haleigh?~

TY Patricia
When things get heated I usually chalk it up to the passion we feel about these cases. LOL and then take a break.
I enjoy posting with you as well.
Like you said, good sparring is hard to find.

[aproudmom]

From the link above
<quote>
"I remember him being up...I was half asleep...That was right after I laid down...Got up and walked out of my room...And the next thing I know I was out. I don't remember nothing after that," Croslin said.
<end quote>

I read it that Misty had just laid down and was half asleep.
Junior was up out of the bed and the last thing she remembers is Junior walking out of their bedroom.

If Junior was awake & up when Misty went to sleep then where was Haleigh and was she also up and walking around?
Geesh. What a mess!

That is why they can not get the timeline she says one thing then another first her and jr went to bed in the big bed and then he was watching a movie and now she can't remember if he was up cause she was so tired:confused:so what is the truth will we ever know?

how long does that movie last anyone know I have never seen it she said he watched his movie in the living room and Haleigh watched hers in the bedroom but she said they were put to bed at 8 right? and they were not watching movies when the great grama was there if they were outside on the porch..omg this is way to crazy

[teresa]

If he was in the livingroom watching Madagascar like she says and then he (hang on a sec my brain is getting conflusterated here) ok she said that After the movie then Jr. came into her and Ron's room where she and Haleigh was right?
Gah!
OK she said in that article that Jr. was walking around and she passed out so...


...sigh

Sigh me too. She said Haleigh was asleep. I'll bet Jr sleeps late with Ron and Misty probably goes back to bed after Haleigh goes to school. Maybe he turned the light on? This is the first I've heard about Jr being up. Maybe that's what the Sheriff was talking about in that interview that made no sense to me.

When they (TV people) ask Misty "was Jr in bed with you" she says yes. Does she mean when she woke up or as she was going to sleep and he was just getting up? I wish someone on TV would ask here in very slow plain English each of these questions.

[Leather&Lace]

with my twins i think i slept through my first trimester lol

i still have to wonder if they did a drug test....would that show a date rape drug?

I remember looking up this info when the Natalee Holloway case was active. :(

GHB Date Rape Drug -

GHB takes effect in about 15 minutes and can last 3 or 4 hours. It is very potent: A very small amount can have a big effect. So it's easy to overdose on GHB. Most GHB is made by people in home or street "labs." So, you don't know what's in it or how it will affect you. GHB can cause these problems:

Relaxation
Drowsiness
Dizziness
Nausea
Problems seeing
Loss of consciousness (black out)
Seizures
Can't remember what happened while drugged
Problems breathing
Tremors
Sweating
Vomiting
Slow heart rate
Dream-like feeling
Coma
Death


Go to this link to read same about all the date rape drugs if you are interested. Scary stuff.

http://www.4woman.gov/faq/date-rape-drugs.cfm#c

[teresa]

Also if it was say Cousin Joe who merely helped Misty move Haleigh, why was she the first to throw him under the bus?

Also CJ knows they have a gun in that home. Seems odd he would turn on the light and take the chance of looking down the barrel of a gun and/or walking in on 3 screaming kids and a 911 call.

If he helped her, she'd be nuts to throw him under the bus. She'd be in worse trouble than him. I can't see him taking the rap for her.

[rosieposett]

This is what I think. The van has something to do with Haleigh missing. Whoever took the van also took Haleigh AND had control over the timing of the 911 call. Makes no sense to me that they would leave on that light, alerting Misty to something odd going on, then take the chance that 911 had not already been called when they brought back the van. From all I understand there is just one way in and one way out of that park. Who would take that kind of chance? Also you have to think about the time required for all that. SO want time with their victim, that's the whole purpose for their crimes, JMO.

Good post, Tree. I was thinking along the same lines, but not as indepth as you. Can I ask if you meant when you mentioned the park that perhaps Misty or whoever drove the van with Haleigh in it, took an alternate route into the park, where there were trees and bushes and the van was scrapped then? I am not quite following your line of thinking about the park. Thanks Tree. rosie

[rosieposett]

What makes her wake up at just the time Ron gets there? He said himself she is never up at that hour.

Because she is already awake??

[teresa]

To me it is like saying, "You see they went that away".

Yeah, with a little too much detail? Why did she point out the pink shirt to LE? I read she has lots of pink shirts so she didn't have to do that.

This will end up the most confusing case I have ever seen. LE is right that she is the key. Even if she did nothing, she has to get the facts straight and I don't know at this point if she can do that. Maybe it's just the way each interviewer asks the questions, but it is very confusing.

I think Cobra is right...we will know very soon. If not, I don't think we'll ever know and that will drive me nuts. I can't imagine the families not knowing. They need at least a little grave for this girl.

[aproudmom]

Does anyone find it odd that RC gun was in a ditch has that been confirmed by LE? I just find it very strange his gun would be in a ditch if someone just wanted to steal it for money. I can not remember if RC has said yes he stoled my gun or no he did not.

[teresa]

I agree. The only thing is that none of the neighbors heard any vehicles driving around that night.
It is possible that whatever took place could have taken place much earlier and not so late at night like we would easily suspect.
The scrapes etc... could be because maybe the person who drove that van had driven it into a very dense area full of bushes and trees?

Patricia, wouldn't her brother, SIL and even Cousin Joe hear her if she took the van before the neighbors went to bed? I wonder where they keep their keys? Ours are on the counter but someone would have to get in the house first to get them.

I'm glad that you sound a little better. I worried about you last night when I went to bed. You and Haleigh.

[aproudmom]

I don't believe that the cousin stole that gun anyway. I think Misty had it and she threw her cousin under the bus on that too and Ron knows this which is why he is saying there never was a fight even though other people has said that there was.

K thanks I was not sure what the truth over the gun was.

night to everyone thanks for the great posting:seeya:

HOPE 4 HALEIGH to come home soon:rose:

[teresa]

And I just cannot see him doing it on his own then bringing the van back to that same area.

It seems to me that whoever did it probably had keys. Since I have never had experience with hotwiring cars, I am just guessing here. Seems like unless you have some experience and know you could first get into the van and start it pronto, thats not the time to learn with a kid you kidnapped moments earlier. Most newer model cars are always kept locked. What is someone going to do stand out there unlocking it, then go get the kid. Bring her back then hope the engine starts right away. No way would someone leave it running.

He was in the house. He could have just taken the keys. I can't see him driving it down there to kidnap Haleigh, though. Too easy to get caught. He would have to park it somewhere else and carry her to it. Maybe that was all the crazy route the canines took?

[Leather&Lace]

Couple of thoughts before I call it a night.

If Misty is directly involved, she has not told any other person.

Because LE has not squeezed her too hard, Misty is displaying confidence. Even with her new marriage, smiling too much and acting too happy IMO. Inappropriate behavior with Haleigh missing.

With everything we heard Ronald C say during the 911 call that made us think he had an "idea", we do not know what Misty said to him before that call was made.

Why on earth would Ronald Cumming marry Misty Croslin right now?
Ronald did not look all that happy about the event so what was the rush to get married?

Final thought, if Misty is involved, I hope LE will take her into custody before Ronald Cummings finds out. Remember that he said, "I do plan to take the trash out when it is time".

JMO

[teresa]

I think it was the Hannah Montana one. I think LE had her cornered. I do not think she had a choice.

Back to Joe. It has been said his MO is using cinder blocks in crimes and the family knows this. To me that would of been all the more reason NOT to use cinder block when kidnapping a child in such close proximity of those very same family members.

So you think LE found it and she confirmed instead of the story we heard that she found it and pointed it out?

Do you know anything about the three days she was gone? I can't confirm that anywhere but message boards. Do you think she was at her brother's and took her blanket with her. Or they just went somewhere and she took it? I thought I heard she had it in there for Haleigh but maybe it was her because she always acts like she is cold. Or was it Haleigh's regular blanket and she had to take one off the window since she didn't have that one Monday night?

I know I'm just all over the place with this post. I'm sleepy but I'm driving myself crazy with all these thoughts.

[Leather&Lace]

I think it was the Hannah Montana one. I think LE had her cornered. I do not think she had a choice.

Back to Joe. It has been said his MO is using cinder blocks in crimes and the family knows this. To me that would of been all the more reason NOT to use cinder block when kidnapping a child in such close proximity of those very same family members.

Wish the family would give more information on just how he uses cinder blocks in crimes.

Also, if the family knows this about the cinder blocks then that means that Misty would know it as well. If the screen door closed on its own, I can see where a smaller person would need to prop open the door if you are carrying a child out.
On the other hand, I really don't necessarily see where a man would need to prop open a door in order to manage taking a child out.

MOO

[teresa]

Couple of thoughts before I call it a night.

If Misty is directly involved, she has not told any other person.

Because LE has not squeezed her too hard, Misty is displaying confidence. Even with her new marriage, smiling too much and acting too happy IMO. Inappropriate behavior with Haleigh missing.

With everything we heard Ronald C say during the 911 call that made us think he had an "idea", we do not know what Misty said to him before that call was made.

Why on earth would Ronald Cumming marry Misty Croslin right now?
Ronald did not look all that happy about the event so what was the rush to get married?

Final thought, if Misty is involved, I hope LE will take her into custody before Ronald Cummings finds out. Remember that he said, "I do plan to take the trash out when it is time".
JMO

Bolded by me---definitely.

I agree with everything you said. I think the marriage was because of the custody deal. His better option would have been to move back in with GGM and let Misty go home until Haleigh is found and this is settled. I think had he consulted a lawyer or advisor, they would have told him that. I think Teresa and GGM thought he should do it for appearances and it was not the right choice.

[Leather&Lace]

Agree and too I hope that they have checked all dumpsters everywhere due to the trash being taken out reference.

That gave me a chill about the trash.
Poor baby.

Cousin Joe better get a lawyer if he doesn't have an air-tight alibi because I think the Croslin family is trying to throw him to the wolves.

Misty might also want to consider finding herself a good attorney.
JMO

[Leather&Lace]

David Westerfield, Scott, Casey and many others who have killed tell themselves, "Just act normal" when normal is the last way you should act.

Very, very true.

[teresa]

How ironic. Misty could end up babysitting and alone with possibly the only witness in this whole case.

Junior? GGM said (if I remember correctly) that more than one expert interviewed him and he was all over the place. I wonder what he really saw. He said yes when they asked him if Misty was there when the man took Sissy. I guess she could have been awake when Junior saw her and the man assuming Joe did help her.

I thought he and Misty didn't get along. If he helped, she should have never mentioned him unless Ron is the one who thinks it is him and she has to go along with it.

[doctor_J]

The inconsistencies are in the reporting! That van article drives me nuts. What's the verdict?
Who owns the van?
Who was the relative staying at Chelsea Croslin's?
Who drove the van between the time Chelsea drove it and the next day?
Anybody figure out this reporter's "code"?

[teresa]

The inconsistencies are in the reporting! That van article drives me nuts. What's the verdict?
Who owns the van?
Who was the relative staying at Chelsea Croslin's?
Who drove the van between the time Chelsea drove it and the next day?
Anybody figure out this reporter's "code"?

Hey doctor J. I'm pretty sure the relative is Cousin Joe though I think he came to Florida with another guy.

I agree on the reporting in that article. Could they not see the inconsistency in either what she said or how they reported it? If she said it that way, why not follow up to clear it up?

What if Cousin Joe and Misty have both driven that van in the past? Can they tell by fingerprints who was most recent?

[doctor_J]

I realize I'm talking to myself but I don't remember a case of a missing child when the physical searches were called off so quickly. I can't figure out why but I don't think it's good. Even if they have concluded she is dead, why would they not search for her body? Today's paper said "No searches are planned? Why send Tim home almost immediately? Do they think she was abducted, like they say, but taken out of Florida?

[teresa]

Seems to me that Misty "claims" the van as her own.
Not sure who it is registered to though.
Cousin Joe was at Chelsea's.
Not sure who drove the van after Chelsea but I suspect it was Misty..JMO
And no.

Patricia, that was Chelsea's words wasn't it? About the van? Maybe she can't answer questions any better than Misty can. Except for that statement, it sounds like her family's van. The reporter was incompetent not to follow up and clear up that statement.

[teresa]

OK though I am not sure it was Joe at Chelsea's now.
I'm getting so confused here.
Where does the Brother who alledgedly visited Misty and the kids live?

Down the street and around the corner it looks like on the maps.

Does Misty have two brothers? I know I read he stayed with her brother at least part of the time.

[doctor_J]

Hey doctor J. I'm pretty sure the relative is Cousin Joe though I think he came to Florida with another guy.

I agree on the reporting in that article. Could they not see the inconsistency in either what she said or how they reported it? If she said it that way, why not follow up to clear it up?

What if Cousin Joe and Misty have both driven that van in the past? Can they tell by fingerprints who was most recent?

I tell u what, if Misti died in that van or if Misti was at any time dead in that van, they should have found forensic evidence in all those weeks. And if they had found anything, they would not have released it. It would be just like Casey's Pontiac. I thought that was such a good lead, what with the scratch and all but apparently not.

I hope when I check in tomorrow, I will find that Hayleigh has been found. Hopefully alive, but found none theless.
If Le arrests anyone, they had better lock them up before they tell Ron.

[teresa]

I realize I'm talking to myself but I don't remember a case of a missing child when the physical searches were called off so quickly. I can't figure out why but I don't think it's good. Even if they have concluded she is dead, why would they not search for her body? Today's paper said "No searches are planned? Why send Tim home almost immediately? Do they think she was abducted, like they say, but taken out of Florida?

That bothers me too. If Misty did something, she couldn't have gone too far especially if they think she drove into the woods. What makes them think they can't find her body?

If they think someone took her out of Florida, they must have a reason for that but I can't figure out what it is.

[teresa]

I tell u what, if Misti died in that van or if Misti was at any time dead in that van, they should have found forensic evidence in all those weeks. And if they had found anything, they would not have released it. It would be just like Casey's Pontiac. I thought that was such a good lead, what with the scratch and all but apparently not.

I hope when I check in tomorrow, I will find that Hayleigh has been found. Hopefully alive, but found none theless.
If Le arrests anyone, they had better lock them up before they tell Ron.

Me too. I also wonder why they released the van. If Haleigh was dead in the van, doesn't it take a while for a body to create any evidence of that?

[teresa]

OK I see now. That's what I thought. I'm getting sleepy here and confused too!
Thank you for clearing that up :)
I better get some zzz's.
Night everyone.

Good night Patricia. We went in a lot of circles didn't we. I do agree with doctor J that they wouldn't release a van that had any evidence in it. I hope we know something soon so I can know who to turn this anger toward.

[doctor_J]

If Misti did something to her, she would have to be in carrying distance. And Misti looks about 100 lbs. carrying 40 lbs. Can't see that. And then being able to hide her body from all the first searchers? I think Hayleigh left the trailer alive, like Jessica. I think it was a brazen, to he!! with it crime. I could be wrong. I keep trying to figure out a way she could still be alive but most of what I come up with does not sound reasonable.

[doctor_J]

Me too. I also wonder why they released the van. If Haleigh was dead in the van, doesn't it take a while for a body to create any evidence of that?

Unless there is blood either from the murder or from the molestation, probably not. I think decomp evidence, like the death band on hair, takes 2 days. But if they found semen they would have kept it don't u think?

I think they could get volunteers for searches. It's had more publicity now. I wish I could search. I would just comb those woods.

[doctor_J]

I'm hoping and trusting that LE and FBI is just quietly solving this thing behind the scenes and we will get an announcement and an arrest soon. Prayers to all the families who are genuinely suffering.

Nite all. Keep up the good work. I'm always lurking! :w00t:

[teresa]

I'm hoping and trusting that LE and FBI is just quietly solving this thing behind the scenes and we will get an announcement and an arrest soon. Prayers to all the families who are genuinely suffering.

Nite all. Keep up the good work. I'm always lurking! :w00t:

Nite doctor J. I hope they know something too and that's why they are so quiet. I wonder about taking the door and then about releasing the van.

I do think there are small searches going on by volunteers. I read about some police officers searching on their off time. I hope they find her, hopefully alive. I know Teresa searched four hours Sunday maybe with Ron & Misty and then Cobra went back out with her to search some more. I wish I knew what he thinks he knows.

[beachpatty]

Good Morning Folkes,

I just caught up and there are some very valid theories ans opinions posted. The van now seems to be a huge clue, especially with the big scratch. I'm sure (I hope) LE has already investigated it. I remember when I started driving @ 17, backing up was a huge issue, I actually failed my driving test the first time, it was pouring rain and when I did the parallel parking part, I ran over every orange cone. I wonder how long Misty has been driving and also, I wonder what kind of a van it is? Had it ever been reported if it was a window van, a conversion van, a cargo van? Windows would make a huge difference in backing up but then again, in dark woods, windows wouldn't help much.

So many questions and so many possible answers, I really just wish Misty would come clean and tell the truth, even if she was involved, Just get it out and put an end to all the suffering and let Haleigh have a decent burial. I truly believe Misty is the key to this whole thing, whether she was directly involved or not. She can't possible think that this will all eventually blow over and be forgotten, she has to look in the mirror every day for the rest of her life, no man, or home or even her own babies can take away the memory of what she did, or what she knows.

MOO
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[n/t]

Good morning everyone. I think we all saw why Nancy Grace was such a successful prosecutor, last night she came loaded for bear, imo. Her interview with Sheffield and Picazio was excellent, imo.

I am very concerned over possible child abuse by ronald, if this proves to be true. I hope the witnesses are credible.

The van information is just stunning.

I no longer entertain the idea that this was in anyway a "stranger" involved disappearance.

IMO, misty holds the key.

Morning!

I usually agree with you but I thought it was a hate filled interview compared to the kid glove interview she had with Ron and Teresa. She doesn't hide her emotions well when it comes to Crystal, imo.

[n/t]

LOL, we sure disagree on this one my friend!! I still love ya tho. :wub:

Haha...I was posting to you before I saw this post. :wub:

[beachpatty]

Good morning everyone. I think we all saw why Nancy Grace was such a successful prosecutor, last night she came loaded for bear, imo. Her interview with Sheffield and Picazio was excellent, imo.

I am very concerned over possible child abuse by ronald, if this proves to be true. I hope the witnesses are credible.

The van information is just stunning.

I no longer entertain the idea that this was in anyway a "stranger" involved disappearance.

IMO, misty holds the key.

Exactly!!

Now if we can see this, LE MUST be able to, hopefully they are just making sure they have all their ducks in a row and are able to present a prosecutable case, so many times, criminals walk free because of a minor technicality.

MOO
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[kitty1182]

Good morning..Saying a prayer Haleigh will be found today....

I'm not yet sold on Misty......

[n/t]

Good morning,

Although Haleigh went missing while in the fathers care, that does not exclude Chrystal from her responsibility....a child can be abducted while in anyones care...If Haleigh was found deceased in the home then I would be concerned...It seems to me that Chrystal never really made any real attempts to regain her children...she gave a story last evening that she moved as far away from Ron as possible...well, that's not reason enough for leaving your children...she could have moved 10 miles away and still had contact with her children....she still had to meet with Ron when the visitation took place so I really do not believe that story...

I believe that Chrystal moved that far away so that she would NOT have to baby sit for her children...in most cases, especially when the finances are not the greatest, the parent that is not working (Chrystal) would probably have been expected to care for her children while the father worked...

It seems to me that it was Chrystal that did not want the responsiblity of her children and now that this has happened she may very well see some book deals and movie deals etc.

Sorry, I just do not trust this woman....

As for the age difference between Ron and Misty....both seem to be mentally under their age....this does not mean they are not responsible for taking care of the children..Ron may look to younger females because he feels more up to par with them...and although I don't approve of this, it is a common occurance out here......


Hey, I'm not saying I trust Crystal. Frankly, I don't trust ANYONE in that family. I've never seen such a dysfunctial group of people in my life. What a mess that entire family is! It's no wonder LE is having such a difficult time. They all have a shady past with rap sheets longer than my arm.

The issue I have is what was in the best interest of those children. IIRC, when Ron got custody he was going to live with his mom, he had a job, etc. I get that. It sounds like he was the most suitable "provider". But that changed and I totally agree with Renee's statement:

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, you know, first of all, that custody is never chiseled in stone. It can change, yearly, monthly, daily, weekly. We have a situation here where if she`s just now getting the resources to put her story forward, then she needs to go for it.

and also....it clearly shows that Crystal did indeed call DCF numerous times when she started to see evidence of abuse.

PICAZIO: No. She knew about the alleged abuse and she had called DCF, which is the Department of Children of Families, on numerous occasions. They were investigated. But because it`s a he said/she said, or a small bruise on the leg, for instance, they were not able to take action. And it`s a very deep burden to the Department of Children and Families have to take children in this state. Thank goodness.


and this statement bothers me a great deal. I didn't realize hitting your kid with a stick is considered natural discipline. :scared:

HARRIS: Well, I can tell you that, certainly, Ronald would dispute that, but as far as one of the incidents, it looks like when she was -- was hit by a stick on the leg, I know that DFACS, I`m told did investigate that and found it to rise the level of natural discipline, a discipline that was, you know, within the law.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html



Sadly, Haleigh is still missing and we're no where closer to finding out what happened to her. Who knows. Maybe these abuse allegations will bring in some clues of what really went on in that house....or maybe not.

Time will tell. I pray she is found soon.

[n/t]

Does anyone have a link to Art Harris website? He said he was going to post the photos and I'd like to see them. The one I tried gave me an error message?:unsure:

[TobyWong]

[QUOTE=n/t;12908582]Does anyone have a link to Art Harris website? He said he was going to post the photos and I'd like to see them. The one I tried gave me an error message?:unsure:[/QUOTE
i thought it was artharris.com but i got an error also???

[Januarybaby]

Hey, I'm not saying I trust Crystal. Frankly, I don't trust ANYONE in that family. I've never seen such a dysfunctial group of people in my life. What a mess that entire family is! It's no wonder LE is having such a difficult time. They all have a shady past with rap sheets longer than my arm.

The issue I have is what was in the best interest of those children. IIRC, when Ron got custody he was going to live with his mom, he had a job, etc. I get that. It sounds like he was the most suitable "provider". But that changed and I totally agree with Renee's statement:

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, you know, first of all, that custody is never chiseled in stone. It can change, yearly, monthly, daily, weekly. We have a situation here where if she`s just now getting the resources to put her story forward, then she needs to go for it.

and also....it clearly shows that Crystal did indeed call DCF numerous times when she started to see evidence of abuse.

PICAZIO: No. She knew about the alleged abuse and she had called DCF, which is the Department of Children of Families, on numerous occasions. They were investigated. But because it`s a he said/she said, or a small bruise on the leg, for instance, they were not able to take action. And it`s a very deep burden to the Department of Children and Families have to take children in this state. Thank goodness.


and this statement bothers me a great deal. I didn't realize hitting your kid with a stick is considered natural discipline. :scared:

HARRIS: Well, I can tell you that, certainly, Ronald would dispute that, but as far as one of the incidents, it looks like when she was -- was hit by a stick on the leg, I know that DFACS, I`m told did investigate that and found it to rise the level of natural discipline, a discipline that was, you know, within the law.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html



Sadly, Haleigh is still missing and we're no where closer to finding out what happened to her. Who knows. Maybe these abuse allegations will bring in some clues of what really went on in that house....or maybe not.

Time will tell. I pray she is found soon.


I did a double take when they said that hitting a kid with a stick is natural discipline. I couldnt believe what I heard.
In PA, you can give your kid a spanking, but if you leave bruises or continue to an excessive point, they will take your kids away.

[playnice]

Deputies called to Haleigh family location

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/19/news/news01.txt

Regan said people who would like to support the maternal side of the family or have tips regarding Haleigh, however, are encouraged to stop by 24 hours a day starting Monday. That's when the grand opening will be held of what has been termed the "Haleighbug Headquarters" - using a nickname for the missing girl

Why has this whole thing become about Crystal?

[playnice]

I did a double take when they said that hitting a kid with a stick is natural discipline. I couldnt believe what I heard.
In PA, you can give your kid a spanking, but if you leave bruises or continue to an excessive point, they will take your kids away.

How do they know that bruise was from a stick and does anyone really believe CPS would tell anyone that? I dont.

[SwineFeld]

Morning all.

I'm just so angry at this entire case. What angers me is the fact that everyone is (well, some more than others) taking the focus off of finding Haleigh. I cannot believe that after all this time there is nothing new to report. No new clues. No new leads. Nothing!!! It's a real shame. I can only hope that the poilce do know more than what they are telling us.

The only crap we keep hearing is stuff about custody hearings, abuse reports, drug reports, name calling, etc. IMO it's all in poor taste and definitely the wrong time for it.

Ron and Misty could have waited to get married, get tattoos, etc. But at least they want to keep the focus on finding Haleigh. They have done searches, talk about Haleigh and the night in question to the media, etc.

And Crystal, well if there were real signs of abuse and drug use, she should have tried to get custody a long time ago. IMO NOT NOW! All I hear from her is name calling and accusations. Oh, and the occasional plea to Haleighs return. But, has she ever really gone searching for her like everyone else has? Maybe she has. I'm not aware tho but that doesn't mean she hasn't.

I don't know. I just don't get these people. Someone the other day said how it appears like these people have pretty much accepted the fact that Haleigh is gone and not coming back and that they have moved on. At times it seems like that to me also. And it's really a shame.

[kitty1182]

Misty Croslin Speaks Out


http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx

I don't believe her..

[sickntired]

and this statement bothers me a great deal. I didn't realize hitting your kid with a stick is considered natural discipline. :scared:

HARRIS: Well, I can tell you that, certainly, Ronald would dispute that, but as far as one of the incidents, it looks like when she was -- was hit by a stick on the leg, I know that DFACS, I`m told did investigate that and found it to rise the level of natural discipline, a discipline that was, you know, within the law.

Sadly, Haleigh is still missing and we're no where closer to finding out what happened to her. Who knows. Maybe these abuse allegations will bring in some clues of what really went on in that house....or maybe not.

Time will tell. I pray she is found soon.

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I agree, if that statement is true, how sad to be hit a child with a branch. :mad:

[sydney]

stealth posting here, guys.....

wow - it appears to me that there are some severe anger issues still left for crystal to resolve regarding her past with ron........

anyway, someone clear this up for me if i'm wrong - the decision regarding custody is not decided in a vacuum. in illinois, at least, all things are looked at including living arrangements the of the proposed custodial parent. so here's my question: last i heard, crystal is living with a man who had a restraining order entered against him (is he still married?) and she still has no job that i know of. what makes her or her attorney think that having the children living with crystal will be that much better than them living with ron? (rhetorical question)

don't know if the allegations of child abuse are true or not - seems to me that her attorney said crystal had taken pictures of such things as bruises on the children's legs. that statement puzzled me. kids that age are always falling down and getting scratched and bruised. i believe it was confirmed that the facial injuries shown in the photo of haleigh were due to a fall at the school - if i am wrong, someone please correct me.

furthermore, when crystal said she called dcf and nothing was done, it makes me wonder why she simply did not call the police and file a report or refuse to return the children to ron - anyone following me here?

as for the "witnesses" suddenly coming forward, how did they find out about the abuse? i don't know of any abusive parent who would take a child outside, in possible public view and beat the holy h*ll out of them when, if they were indeed abusing the child/ren, it could be done in the home.

why weren't these same "witnesses" asked, INSTEAD, of they had seen/heard anyone suspicious around the home or had seen/heard anything more about the possible location of haleigh?

fwiw, i find this custody issue timing poor and an attempt to perhaps further "punish" ronald for what crystal may deem past "bad acts" allegedly perpetrated by ronald against her when they were together.

let's just find this lost little child!

thanks for letting me rant.

[Texas48]

Good Morning Folkes,

I just caught up and there are some very valid theories ans opinions posted. The van now seems to be a huge clue, especially with the big scratch. I'm sure (I hope) LE has already investigated it. I remember when I started driving @ 17, backing up was a huge issue, I actually failed my driving test the first time, it was pouring rain and when I did the parallel parking part, I ran over every orange cone. I wonder how long Misty has been driving and also, I wonder what kind of a van it is? Had it ever been reported if it was a window van, a conversion van, a cargo van? Windows would make a huge difference in backing up but then again, in dark woods, windows wouldn't help much.

So many questions and so many possible answers, I really just wish Misty would come clean and tell the truth, even if she was involved, Just get it out and put an end to all the suffering and let Haleigh have a decent burial. I truly believe Misty is the key to this whole thing, whether she was directly involved or not. She can't possible think that this will all eventually blow over and be forgotten, she has to look in the mirror every day for the rest of her life, no man, or home or even her own babies can take away the memory of what she did, or what she knows.

MOO
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty
Ahhh..there you are Patty. I thought you over slept and I was beginning to worry. lol...Oh Patty..where do we go from here? NO clues..NO evidence...EVERYONE is still a suspect or have NOT been ruled out...BUT...there is still a child that has vanished...Her toys are still here......her clothes are still here..her family is still here. I have to believe in my heart that LE knows many details and they have NOT given up. I cannot bring myself to wounder is she is alive or not. And with that said...Good morning to all and lets hope for a good day. JMO:wub:

[TaraCrazyHair]

"I remember him being up...I was half asleep...That was right after I laid down...Got up and walked out of my room...And the next thing I know I was out. I don't remember nothing after that," Croslin said.

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx


Say what?!?!

:confused:

[jewel6]

Well hopefully it will get all this out of the way. I think NG wants the big fish on her show, Misty. Going harder on Crystal could be just the ticket.

I totoally agree! She really seems to have a distste in her mouth for crystal. wonder what nancy knows? Jmo I know i will probally get flamed for this, bt in my opinion crystal is as bad as the rest. If she thought there was abuse to her children she should gone hell and high water to have them removed. That didnt happen. She just went on with her life and started a new family. now shes on tv looking alot more sophisticated throwing stones at her ex. JMO Why in the world didnt crystal pay her support and have those children removed. She had ample time. JMO :sad:

[sickntired]

I'm confused about the van...is the van Misty's? Because Misty's sister says that Misty called her and said, did you put a scratch in my van? And in the news report it says that the van was moved from where Croslin parked it...was it parked at Misty & Ron's house or Misty's sister's house.

So we have no forced entry into the house and a van that was moved by someone without the keys....and returns the van after using it? :glare:

[DenVIP]

IMO
the fact the TN works as a police dispatcher and probably knew the first responding officers could have been a detriment to the investigation from the beginning no matter what your theory is

[jewel6]

stealth posting here, guys.....

wow - it appears to me that there are some severe anger issues still left for crystal to resolve regarding her past with ron........

anyway, someone clear this up for me if i'm wrong - the decision regarding custody is not decided in a vacuum. in illinois, at least, all things are looked at including living arrangements the of the proposed custodial parent. so here's my question: last i heard, crystal is living with a man who had a restraining order entered against him (is he still married?) and she still has no job that i know of. what makes her or her attorney think that having the children living with crystal will be that much better than them living with ron? (rhetorical question)

don't know if the allegations of child abuse are true or not - seems to me that her attorney said crystal had taken pictures of such things as bruises on the children's legs. that statement puzzled me. kids that age are always falling down and getting scratched and bruised. i believe it was confirmed that the facial injuries shown in the photo of haleigh were due to a fall at the school - if i am wrong, someone please correct me.

furthermore, when crystal said she called dcf and nothing was done, it makes me wonder why she simply did not call the police and file a report or refuse to return the children to ron - anyone following me here?

as for the "witnesses" suddenly coming forward, how did they find out about the abuse? i don't know of any abusive parent who would take a child outside, in possible public view and beat the holy h*ll out of them when, if they were indeed abusing the child/ren, it could be done in the home.

why weren't these same "witnesses" asked, INSTEAD, of they had seen/heard anyone suspicious around the home or had seen/heard anything more about the possible location of haleigh?

fwiw, i find this custody issue timing poor and an attempt to perhaps further "punish" ronald for what crystal may deem past "bad acts" allegedly perpetrated by ronald against her when they were together.

let's just find this lost little child!

thanks for letting me rant.

We must of been tying at the same time. I totally agree. jmo

[kitty1182]

"I remember him being up...I was half asleep...That was right after I laid down...Got up and walked out of my room...And the next thing I know I was out. I don't remember nothing after that," Croslin said.

http://www.fox30online.com/content/topstories/story/Misty-Croslin-Speaks-Out/S6tHGGMFp0OZfPGkzJ4_pg.cspx


Say what?!?!

:confused:

That has me puzzled too...:confused:

[jewel6]

ITA. I also was not impressed with her lawyer

I think crystal and lawyer are seeing dollar signs. :scared: JMO If i thought my children were being abused i wouldnt have returned them after visitation and probally have gone to jail , but maybe dcf would have opened there eyes when that happened. JMO but she always returned them to ron after visitation! :scared:

[kitty1182]

this is her saying she was out of it ......without admitting drugs or drinking were part of it......remember she had a long weekend and was exhausted....IMO.......yeah right!

LOL..
Who was up that she was talking about? Junior?:confused:

She walked out of the room and doesn't remember anything ? What the world is she talking about?

[playnice]

LOL..
Who was up that she was talking about? Junior?:confused:

I think so.:confused:

[kitty1182]

I think so.:confused:

So he was roaming around while she was passed out?:confused:


No wonder LE doesn't believe anything she says.

[sickntired]

IMO Misty's sister seems to be the most well spoken out of all of the cast and crew.

[Destini]

Just because the van was returned with apparently no valueable forensics does not mean that Haleigh might not have been in it the night she disappeared. Too coincidental to me the night Haleigh disappears this van is moved & has mysterious scratches appear. Too coincidental there are rumors of Ron's fight with this person in the days before Haleigh's disappearance, by his own mother no less.

How did cousin JO get back to Tennessee? If someone took him back, has this person been interviewed? According to the latest article, he has NOT been cleared.

He was earlier questioned, but did anyone do a search of his home? Have his family members in Tennessee been questioned? Do LE have him on their radar still, or has he disappeared?

I have such a fear we will eventually hear of a body being found somewhere on the route between Florida & Tennessee. Ugh.

[kitty1182]

Just because the van was returned with apparently no valueable forensics does not mean that Haleigh might not have been in it the night she disappeared. Too coincidental to me the night Haleigh disappears this van is moved & has mysterious scratches appear. Too coincidental there are rumors of Ron's fight with this person in the days before Haleigh's disappearance, by his own mother no less.

How did cousin JO get back to Tennessee? If someone took him back, has this person been interviewed? According to the latest article, he has NOT been cleared.

He was earlier questioned, but did anyone do a search of his home? Have his family members in Tennessee been questioned? Do LE have him on their radar still, or has he disappeared?

I have such a fear we will eventually hear of a body being found somewhere on the route between Florida & Tennessee. Ugh.


Could be, cousin was doing a little partying with Misty, Misty got messed up and passed out..He took Haleigh and left and no telling what happen to her..IMO

[jewel6]

Could be, cousin was doing a little partying with Misty, Misty got messed up and passed out..He took Haleigh and left and no telling what happen to her..IMO

Now thats a good scenario! JMO very very plausiable.

[kitty1182]

I believe so....and that goes to show what an irresponsible little twit she is.....going to her room and passing out while a 3 year old is awake watching the house.....I would trust my 8 month old german shepherd pup to keep the house safer than her IMO IMO

Tell you what..If Ron were my son, I would be on Misty like white on rice until she told me what really happen.....

[Texas48]

LOL..
Who was up that she was talking about? Junior?:confused:

She walked out of the room and doesn't remember anything ? What the world is she talking about?Good morning Kitty. This is the first time I read Misty's statement about being exhausted after a long weekend....:confused:about the entire thing. IMO she was still "sleepy" when she did that statement. :ohmy:

[kitty1182]

Now thats a good scenario! JMO very very plausiable.

This is what I think happened and no way does she want Ron to know..
MO

[jewel6]

Maybe cousin joe had been eyeing haleigh for a while. Got misty messed up on purpose and hence his plan. Her family seems to want to make a big stink about him. very very plausible. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Could be, cousin was doing a little partying with Misty, Misty got messed up and passed out..He took Haleigh and left and no telling what happen to her..IMO

Could be.

Somebody, somewhere is obviously not telling all they know.

(Or remember)

Or if she remembers Jr. up wandering around, it's entirely possible that Haleigh was also up wandering around.

Or it could be that Joe went to look for Haleigh and couldn't find her. Then he just leaves.

There's a lot to be desired in the "Responsibility" department all around.

JMO

[kitty1182]

Good morning Kitty. This is the first time I read Misty's statement about being exhausted after a long weekend....:confused:about the entire thing. IMO she was still "sleepy" when she did that statement. :ohmy:

Good morning.....Yeah, I get exhausted too, but I'm 59 years old..lol
I wonder what Ron thought when he heard her say what she did?

[kitty1182]

That was my second theory right from the beginning

I wonder if this cousin has took a LDT....

[jewel6]

If haleigh was snatched, It had to be someone who knew the house and rons schedule. Cousin joe would probally know. jmo

[islandgirl36542]

QUOTE SNIPPED BY ME FOR SPACE

I agree, if that statement is true, how sad to be hit a child with a branch. :mad:

is it a branch or a switch

[crymeariver2006]

Good morning.....Yeah, I get exhausted too, but I'm 59 years old..lol
I wonder what Ron thought when he heard her say what she did?

So.....it's entirely possible that Misty's "big exhausting weekend" was the '3-day bender and Ron dragged her back home' that was rumored early on? Joe the Cousin would have been in town then too, right?

JMO

JMO, but I can "see" Joe stealing a van. I can see Joe stealing a gun. I can see Joe and Ron fighting over said gun.

What I can't see is Joe stealing Haleigh.

What I can't see is Ron denying the fight with Joe the Cousin.

Nobody is on the same page.

JMO and all that.

[playnice]

This is what I think happened and no way does she want Ron to know..
MO

I wonder who was there that may have given her the date rape drug? I have read alot about how people dont remember afterwards? I wonder if this could have happened and she is piecing bits & pieces together?
That might explain her inconsistancies.

[kitty1182]

So.....it's entirely possible that Misty's "big exhausting weekend" was the '3-day bender and Ron dragged her back home' that was rumored early on? Joe the Cousin would have been in town then too, right?

JMO

JMO, but I can "see" Joe stealing a van. I can see Joe stealing a gun. I can see Joe and Ron fighting over said gun.

What I can't see is Joe stealing Haleigh.

What I can't see is Ron denying the fight with Joe the Cousin.

Nobody is on the same page.

JMO and all that.

If Misty was passed out and he was the one to take her, he took her for a bad reason:sad:

MO

[crymeariver2006]

Entirely possible jewel, and he is the one who alledgedly "messed with" Misty when she was younger

Misty said that happened when she was a child.

Joe is 19 now.

Misty is 17 now.

Wouldn't they both have been considered "a child"?

Are there any other allegations of molestation concerning Joe the Cousin?

[jewel6]

I wonder who was there that may have given her the date rape drug? I have read alot about how people dont remember afterwards? I wonder if this could have happened and she is piecing bits & pieces together?
That might explain her inconsistancies.

Bombshell. now thats a good one. I can see that happening. jmo

[kitty1182]

I wonder who was there that may have given her the date rape drug? I have read alot about how people dont remember afterwards? I wonder if this could have happened and she is piecing bits & pieces together?
That might explain her inconsistancies.

I have a feeling LE will question her again...

[playnice]

If haleigh was snatched, It had to be someone who knew the house and rons schedule. Cousin joe would probally know. jmo

The only problem I can see with someone being there and partying or drugging Misti is why go to all that trouble with the back door? Why not just walk out the front?

[kitty1182]

The only problem I can see with someone being there and partying or drugging Misti is why go to all that trouble with the back door? Why not just walk out the front?

IMO, I think when Misty finally woke up and realized what had happen, she staged it..MO

[playnice]

IMO, I think when Misty finally woke up and realized what had happen, she staged it..MO

I can see that happening. I think the key is someone there she hopes Ron never finds out about.

Thats why I dont think Ron has anything to do with this.He would have broke in the door or something to make it more believable. Him saying he had the locks changed, no one else had a key, he made sure every day it was locked etc makes me think he didnt have anything to do with it.

[kitty1182]

Did misty ever cough up that Joe was there that night and if so, when?

I don't think she would want Ron to know if he had been there..:wink:

Good morning Sis......:wub:

[kitty1182]

I can see that happening. I think the key is someone there she hopes Ron never finds out about.

Thats why I dont think Ron has anything to do with this.He would have broke in the door or something to make it more believable. Him saying he had the locks changed, no one else had a key, he made sure every day it was locked etc makes me think he didnt have anything to do with it.

I also don't believe it was 3am when she woke up either..MO
You are right though, he would have made it look like someone really broke into the house...Misty isn't that smart..IMO

[crymeariver2006]

IMO, I think when Misty finally woke up and realized what had happen, she staged it..MO

And why spend time staging if you "think" Joe the Cousin might have taken Haleigh? Why not call 911 right then and there, give them a description of the van and report Haleigh missing then? Call the brother and sister in law and see if the van is there?

Even if she waited, if she had any inclination whatsoever that Joe might have taken Haleigh, why was his name never mentioned in the 911 call as a "possibility"?

That "outcry" would have been far more believable than waiting two weeks and saying that "Joe messed with me" and then another two weeks claiming that he used cinder blocks in his crimes.

JMO

[kitty1182]

And why spend time staging if you "think" Joe the Cousin might have taken Haleigh? Why not call 911 right then and there, give them a description of the van and report Haleigh missing then? Call the brother and sister in law and see if the van is there?

Even if she waited, if she had any inclination whatsoever that Joe might have taken Haleigh, why was his name never mentioned in the 911 call as a "possibility"?

That "outcry" would have been far more believable than waiting two weeks and saying that "Joe messed with me" and then another two weeks claiming that he used cinder blocks in his crimes.

JMO


If he was there he probally wasn't suppose to be and no way did she want Ron to know....

[Peaches]

I thought her lawyer was FANTASTIC, and she sure made Nancy think, she did a great job, Crystal is lucky to have such awesome support.

jmo


Time will tell...............Ron needs an attorney so they both have the same advantages.............moo

Also, why did Crystal's attorney say something about Ronald and Ron, Jr. living in a tent????????????????

Was Crystal and group also living in a tent?????????????????

And someone loaned Ronald a camper.

[playnice]

Time will tell...............Ron needs an attorney so they both have the same advantages.............moo

Also, why did Crystal's attorney say something about Ronald and Ron, Jr. living in a tent????????????????

Was Crystal and group also living in a tent?????????????????

And someone loaned Ronald a camper.

I caught that too and doesnt she have her baby staying with her?

There is more at the beginning where I misunderstood or her timing about the years she was with Ron are way off. Im at work tho and dont have time to go find the transcript but will tonight .

[Barbara fl.]

A child is missing presumingly dead. murdered. Parents are grieving. Nothing points to Haleighss mother. why is she so villified. What did she do to deserve this treatment , insults.My heart aches for her. think about it.
We all have pasts including Ron. why is she accused of being a drug user. now? ron was still using when Crystal was pregnant with his child. doing it in front of her. Did he want her to use at that time. ?why is she constantly being attacked? We do not know do we what happened at the custody and why it resulted the way it did? I can bet you Ron fought for custody, he would be granted child support. My son would never accept child support from his ex wife. regardless of circumstancea. By getting child support Ron would never have to pay, and never have to stand up in court . DEADBEATDAD. When he was awarded Child custody who did he tell the judge would care for the children? If my son does not pay support for his children he would be arrested. Ron never had to worry about that. Clever.
Also, I pray for Ron and his mother and the family, it is so apparent that they are suffering unbearably. But give Crystal a little benefit of the doubt. she is concerned for her son being with the same caregiver, the same community in which someone kidnapped and probably murdered her child. How would you feel. there is much we do not know I am the first to admit that. Why is she attacked , what did she do? also, I almost forgot, who was the AC man ? a friend. I cannot afford and AC man. gogo


Good morning GOGO,

I don't exactly feel the same as you...I doubt that Ron fought for custody just for the support, Crystal was not working, therefore she couldn't pay.....It wasn't Ron who started attacking bio mom, it was the other way around.....

Crystal was asked some out right questions last night on the NG show and her responses didn't exactly satisfy me....she claimed that due to her having a big heart she gave the children to Ron, she then moved so far away to get away from Ron....Does that make sense to you?

Crystal could have moved 10 miles away and still been near her children.....so why move that far? she claimed that she has pictures of abuse thru the years...so why not do something about it?

Whether or not either parent is suitable...I would take my chances on the dad.....JMOO

[FrankieBones1]

<<snipped a bit>>

Whether or not either parent is suitable...I would take my chances on the dad.....JMOO
Good post, Barbara. Last night's interview left me slack jawed.

[FrankieBones1]

I caught that too and doesnt she have her baby staying with her?

There is more at the beginning where I misunderstood or her timing about the years she was with Ron are way off. Im at work tho and dont have time to go find the transcript but will tonight .She couldn't just give Nancy a straight answer to, "How long has it been since you've lived with Haleigh and Ronald Junior"?

I'm not taking sides at all but the interview was worriesome.

[sydney]

Time will tell...............Ron needs an attorney so they both have the same advantages.............moo

Also, why did Crystal's attorney say something about Ronald and Ron, Jr. living in a tent????????????????

Was Crystal and group also living in a tent?????????????????

And someone loaned Ronald a camper.


exactly. that statement struck me as a low blow and showed me how low they were willing to stoop to prove him unfit. for all i know, he may well be but come on - when you air your dirty laundry, it does NOT become cleaner.

i recall that they were living in a tent because he said he couldn't bring himself to go back into the home and wanted to be nearby in case haleigh returned.

[Peaches]

I caught that too and doesnt she have her baby staying with her?

There is more at the beginning where I misunderstood or her timing about the years she was with Ron are way off. Im at work tho and dont have time to go find the transcript but will tonight .



Yes, I need to read the transcript too because I thought the attorney said that Ron beat Crystal everyday.

Who in this world would stay with someone who beat her everyday...........????????????????????????

I do not believe that for one minute.

moo

Also, I heard loud and clear that when they were living together that Ron never abused the children.

[IlliniFan]

I haven't read every page this am, but did read some.

The article about the van has me so confused, also....

Did anyone figure out what the article/video meant.

It sure seems like the "van" is a very important clue in this mystery..


I can't understand why the reporters there manage to write so many ambiguous articles.....uggg

I would email the paper and/or the reporter, if I could find one....
and ask for clarification.......

[?noanswer]

ITA. I also was not impressed with her lawyer


Nor was I. The thing that really caught my attention was when she replied to NG's question about what the abuse was. One of the things she said "living in a tent". HELLO, wasn't CS in a tent and sounds like she is going to be living in the Haleighbug building. Also if you have to beg for donations to support your children, what will happen when the donations stop. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

IMO I think it is difficult to understand how you can only see your children 4 days a month, leave them with someone who you are afraid of yourself, get airtime with GR and use that opportunity to mostly bad mouth the father, not your missing child, put your son on national tv and announce that he saw the man who took Haleigh, miss Drs. appt, fall behind 4,000.00 in child support but still put a wedding dress on lay-a-way. I saw Crystal and her mother on NG and Nancy asked her why her daughter missed school, if she was sick ,etc., Crystal said, not exact quote, but she did not know why she missed so. NG looked disgusted and IMO I don't think she liked her after that. I feel for all parties and am not bashing her, just why I think she is being attacked. Does anyone know if she ever contacted Haleigh's school and asked them to be on the lookout for signs of abuse, also do you think Ron's Mom would have stood for him abusing the kids?

This is a very fair, gentle and decent response to gogo. Thanks for your insight doglover and I totally agree with each and every point you have made.

It seems opportunistic when you put it all together and the lack of emphasis on Haleigh until KP showed up is just plain sad IMOO. :sad: I'm shocked by all of this given she gave birth to Haleigh Cummings.

IMO Teresa wouldn't have condoned such behavior, not a chance from where I stand. That said, I don't know the kind of discipline Ron grew up with and don't know what any alleged drug use might do when a parent is disciplining a child. I do remember hearing a person with FL DCF say early on that if there was physical abuse present in the home, the CHILDREN WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED IIRC. We haven't seen anything saying they were taken and if indeed they were, I would have expected the mother to intervene, but that's just speculating. :crying:

BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME! :wub:

[playnice]

The fact that Crystal filed a false claim that her car was stole and almost got someone arrested on a felony before she admitted to LE she was lying bothers me.
I think her attorney didnt know about it or was hoping it wouldnt come out. She said it had nothing to do with this. I think it does question Crystals credibility with these abuse allegations. If she has lied and reported crimes that never happened is a biggie that history may be repeating itself.

[IlliniFan]

I thought both families had RV's donated to them, at some point, to stay in.....?

[Peaches]

[QUOTE=PochetteCles;12908804]The child was still living in a tent amongst the drama, I bet on some level that messed him up. Why not take the child to the grandmothers, where he is now, and let him try to be not so damaged? Or how about stopping the custody stuff in the mess of all this, how about Ron stop being so controlling over Crystal and let her watch him when he flew off with his child bride, he is an abuser on so many levels.


I certainly disagree with you.

MOO is that if Crystal had wanted to be a bigger part of the children's live, she would have stayed in the area so that she could have. Putting yourself first as Crystal did here instead of her children make me question her love for these babies............moo

How do you know that Crystal even wanted Ron, Jr. when he was gone?

Also, where would they live? Stay? I believe that she is living with her mother who has been convicted of running a house where drugs were sold.................and she is living with a married man/they have a baby together....................so you see............I do not think Crystal has a good climate in which to raise a child.

Ron is no saint and has to learn to control his temper..........anger management should be a class he attends.............but to me it seems that Ron truly loves these children.........even Crystal says that...........

Crystal made her choices long ago.............as did Ron; and he chose to take care of the children. Crystal chose to live 2 hours away..........and see these babies 4 days a month. Sad but it is the truth.


As always............this is my very own opinion.

Poor HaLeigh ..................poor Ron, Jr......................they do not have a upstanding parent putting the 2 together............moo

[CANDYKISSES]

Nancy was going on and on about a stolen car Crystal reported, and Crystals lawyer was shocked, it was shocking, and the Lawyer put Nancy right in her place, really, I dont care how much some dislike Crystal, what did that have to do with Haleigh being missing? Where was Nancy with all Rons arrest reports about drugs, or how about some paperwork from whatever that child agency is, they exist, it came down to he said she said, Ron is always going to win because he had physical custody, look what happened!! I think Nancy woke up, thankfully, she obviously has not been following this story very closely, shes still ranting about a missing 3 year old who is cremated and found, she needs to retire.

And regardless, Mistys story is ever changing and Ron does not seem that concerned, after the stories changed, he married the girl! His child is missing!!!!!! You dont go get married!!!

jmo

Pausing here, but it goes to her credibility and if you start with the transcripts in 2005 there is a pattern of credibility issues for Crystal. Again, I do think Nancy mentioned Ron's record too, but I'll check for a direct quote. SHE FALSELY REPORTED what I BELIEVE NANCY STATED WAS A FELONY IIRC. :w00t:

That is not okay period and why women have such a hard time being believed when they are in court IMO. :wink: Your credibility is everything in a custody battle absent stone cold hard evidence. Neither one would pass my sniff test for CUSTODY, but that's just me.

How many drug CONVICTIONS do you believe Ron Cummings has?

JMO

[legalmania]

I wonder why Nancy didn't pull out Ron's rap sheet when he was being interviewed?

Ron has been cleared a couple of times they have checked and checked his alibi, so bringing up his record from the past is not necessary IMO. As Mark said on NG last night we all need to focus on Haleigh right now. Lets find her and then we can hash out the past.

[CANDYKISSES]

The fact that Crystal filed a false claim that her car was stole and almost got someone arrested on a felony before she admitted to LE she was lying bothers me.
I think her attorney didnt know about it or was hoping it wouldnt come out. She said it had nothing to do with this. I think it does question Crystals credibility with these abuse allegations. If she has lied and reported crimes that never happened is a biggie that history may be repeating itself.

And if you look back at some of her allegations, they seem to start out as FACTUAL, then when further questioned - she knows someone who was there, then when they need the person for interview - that person heard it happened. IT seems like there are always at least three levels of interview no matter how simple. JMO. :ohmy: SERIOUS CREDIBILITY ISSUE for me and the car story only fits in with the other things she has alleged IMO. :thumbdown:

[playnice]

I wonder why Nancy didn't pull out Ron's rap sheet when he was being interviewed?

IIRC She has went thru Rons rap sheet before. IIRC it was the first part of the week following the Geraldo thing. :confused:

[march27]

Entirely possible jewel, and he is the one who alledgedly "messed with" Misty when she was younger


which begs the question, why in he77 was cousin Joe there in the first place?? Why was that precious little girl in the same area as someone Misty knows is not a good person?

[legalmania]

I have a couple of questions first of all does anybody know if Ron and Misty smoked inside the trailer? Second does anybody know about the air conditioner was it working?

[Peaches]

None but he's been arrested a number of times. Imo, there's a very strong possibility that he is an informer.

How many times has Crystal been charged with a drug related offense?



MOO

Why now???????????????? Why is Crystal now so concerned about her children??????

For at least three years, she has allowed them to live with Ron and family. She has stated on national tv that her children loved Misty and Ron..............and that she knew that Ron loved his children.

NOW............all of a sudden she gets an attorney and things change.....:sad:

To me.........moo...........Ron is not Father of the Year material but he has taken care of these children for years...............and if all you remember correctly, the getting up at night with a 6month old baby can be very tiring...............but not only did he do this, he chose to do it.

In the court papers...........Crystal was told by the judge that she could have 10 days in order to come back to court to bring witness/evidence and she said NO..................She is not a mother who wanted her children.

Not having a drivers license is NO excuse to me..........I would have walked if I had had to in order to get my children. I would have lived next door so that I could have seen my babies............not 2 hours away. She was given joint custoy or something to those words........so she would have been able to go to the school to talk about HaLeigh................Boy...........she has shown me that she was no interested in her babies.

All moo

[legalmania]

I really respect Mark Klaas but last night I was disappointed in his comments. I do agree that the focus should be on Haleigh but I think it was wrong to try to brush aside incidents of horrific child abuse and imply that the mom isn't focused on Haleigh.

Ron Jr. is at risk and I don't blame CS one bit for wanting to remove him from what she believes is a dangerous environment.

This is another concern of mine about those pictures it seems awfully strange that Crystal called dcf and they found no cause, do you think there is a possibility that she was hurting them to get custody?

[CANDYKISSES]

I think crystal and lawyer are seeing dollar signs. :scared: JMO If i thought my children were being abused i wouldnt have returned them after visitation and probally have gone to jail , but maybe dcf would have opened there eyes when that happened. JMO but she always returned them to ron after visitation! :scared:

Jewel, I have a friend from high school who was forced to do just that. It was a horror story as her ex in-laws were connected to the court system here and it was a case of sexual abuse destined to go nowhere.

She had limited resources and the courts did everything to protect the father and not the children at first due to his family connections. She rented a u-haul one day and hit the road. She was eventually picked up in another state and brought back here. She served some time for contempt IIRC, but it got the attention of a good attorney and ultimately she got full custody and he was forbidden from contact until the children reached the age of majority and then only by their consent.

Having been a volunteer at our women & children's shelter myself, I can tell you I don't know any mothers who were in there that left children behind if they suspected anything or were abused themselves. The stories are not matching up at all and I believe NANCY can see right through it. THE MERE IDEA she would go hard after MD tells me she is well informed. Again, JMO.

The custody issue should have been tabled with the attorney simply notifying DCF in a low key manner if she truly suspected abuse IMO. :sad:

[legalmania]

This is the advice I gave to my niece and to anyone who is going through a bad relationship with children, the day they are suppose to go with their parent take a date stamped picture of the kids, before they leave and when they get home.

[Peaches]

Seriously, lets not act like Crystal never saw her kids, she saw them every other weekend, in this country I cant even tell you how many men have that situation, or less and no one is freaking out about it. Have you heard once Ron or his family say Crystal sometimes missed those visits? Was there a home phone in the house, did Crystal have to call Ron to talk to her kids, was he kind and let her talk to them throughout the week? She had the kids 4 days a months, well with Rons schedule, what actual hours a day is he with his kids, especially Haleigh, maybe 2 hours? misty had them more than anyone and she was taken from her home, this isn't just like oops, Misty lost a puppy, this is a child and she is Crystals and she has the right to say enough is enough, Ron cant be trusted, he shouldnt have to take care of any more kids, other than the one he just married.

jmo



Crystal made the choice to move so far away..........so that she could not be a part of her childrens everyday life. She could have been there for them.

Ron, Jr. is also Ron's child................and he has taken care of him since he was 6 months old...........with Crystal's permission I might add.

Good try ................ as a mother, I can tell you I would walk through fire for my children. I would NEVER leave them .......... and be 2 hours away -------------and me, without a driver's license.

Strange..............

moo

[CC I See]

which begs the question, why in he77 was cousin Joe there in the first place?? Why was that precious little girl in the same area as someone Misty knows is not a good person?..... because he is blood, he is family.

[CANDYKISSES]

Convictions, what does it matter, do you think the big bad LE was lying on Ron, do you think they were placing him in situations where he was made to be around drugs?

I thought I heard on Nancy another child girlfriend of Rons had called DCF on him in the past, what is it about poor Ron that keeps making all these people try to get him in trouble?

I don't know what was going on with LE there, clearly both sides of this have past brushes with the law, but I certainly have seen the stories Crystal brings to the table be systematically taken apart to reveal NON CREDIBLE INFORMATION that doesn't qualify as EVIDENCE IMO as far back as 2005-2006, without the FALSE REPORTING of a FELONY and still standing as she makes claims that turn out to be hearsay IIRC. :sad:

CREDIBILITY issues by the handful IMO. I can still remember when GVS was first interviewing RC and he didn't want to bad mouth Crystal but could have easily. He told Greta he wanted to keep the focus on his missing child, and when Crystal's info started hitting the streets she went vehemently after RC with anything she could think of, but not necessarily credible IMO and I never hear her talk about the importance of finding Haleigh. JMO tho.

I realize her friend - FORMER EVENT PLANNER has some great plans, but IMO it's all lacking given one of the first things to appear on the site were seeking donations for Chloe and Junior to be taken care of in the way of clothing.

It smells of opportunistic behavior IMO. :sad:

[Peaches]

Jewel, I have a friend from high school who was forced to do just that. It was a horror story as her ex in-laws were connected to the court system here and it was a case of sexual abuse destined to go nowhere.

She had limited resources and the courts did everything to protect the father and not the children at first due to his family connections. She rented a u-haul one day and hit the road. She was eventually picked up in another state and brought back here. She served some time for contempt IIRC, but it got the attention of a good attorney and ultimately she got full custody and he was forbidden from contact until the children reached the age of majority and then only by their consent.

Having been a volunteer at our women & children's shelter myself, I can tell you I don't know any mothers who were in there that left children behind if they suspected anything or were abused themselves. The stories are not matching up at all and I believe NANCY can see right through it. THE MERE IDEA she would go hard after MD tells me she is well informed. Again, JMO.

The custody issue should have been tabled with the attorney simply notifying DCF in a low key manner if she truly suspected abuse IMO. :sad:



Excellent post..................

The S.A.F.E.. houses help women/children in our state. People if you have old/unwanted cell phones..........give them to such places. They put minutes on them in case these women need to call for HELP!

Women leave their homes w/o clothes--------they leave everything behind in order to keep their children and themselves safe. All the clothes/etc you donate to places go directly to help these women/children.

As you spring clean, please remember abused women and children. They not only need our concern, they need us to help.

Because I have also heard/read/seen women who do everything in their power to keep their family safe from abuse, I do not believe for one minute that Crystal is being 100% honest.

One does not become an abuser all at once................shifting from gf to children. And...........to say that she was beat everyday. Give that a rest................NO ONE - would put up with that. And, it is MOO that Ron's mother would not have allowed that to go on in her house.

Is Ron perfect..............NO...............did he hit Crystal.............I would have to say, probably yes. They were both doing drugs.........seems big time...............so I think that both were abusive.

Boy what a pair..................

MOO:tonguewag:

[kitty1182]

Good morning sweet sis! Hope all hell don't break loose in Florida when you're on the road. :eek:

It probally will and I won't be back till Monday.....:angry:

I hate to be a guest in someone's home and blop down in front of the tv or get on their computer..I may have to do that though..:D

[CANDYKISSES]

None but he's been arrested a number of times. Imo, there's a very strong possibility that he is an informer.

How many times has Crystal been charged with a drug related offense?


I am only aware of her admitted cocaine use which later changed to him forcing her.....again another example of her lack of credibility IMO as she changes her stories.

How many times have you seen RC jump out and trash her any way he can? Once the general public started to question what kind of mother would leave her children behind with a man she claims to fear, Crystal started trashing him to anyone who would listen.

Why do you think the myspace cleaning is underway as opposed to making another site? What kind of change is she promoting now?

Haleigh and Junior deserved better from their mother and father and I am praying it's not too late for both of those children at this time.

[Peaches]

It happens everyday, all across this country, imo. Just look at the Brown/Rihanna case that is in the news currently.



I agree that women are abused ...................by not the same woman is not abused everyday...........jmab

[legalmania]

Did you ever consider that Crystal HAD to move where she did? Working at a mininium wage job and having to pay $82 per week for chilld support out of her weekly paycheck, it was a necessity for her to move in with her mom. Wherever that was.

moo

There is a remedy called birth control.

[CANDYKISSES]

Excellent post..................

The S.A.F.E.. houses help women/children in our state. People if you have old/unwanted cell phones..........give them to such places. They put minutes on them in case these women need to call for HELP!

Women leave their homes w/o clothes--------they leave everything behind in order to keep their children and themselves safe. All the clothes/etc you donate to places go directly to help these women/children.

As you spring clean, please remember abused women and children. They not only need our concern, they need us to help.

Because I have also heard/read/seen women who do everything in their power to keep their family safe from abuse, I do not believe for one minute that Crystal is being 100% honest.

One does not become an abuser all at once................shifting from gf to children. And...........to say that she was beat everyday. Give that a rest................NO ONE - would put up with that. And, it is MOO that Ron's mother would not have allowed that to go on in her house.

Is Ron perfect..............NO...............did he hit Crystal.............I would have to say, probably yes. They were both doing drugs.........seems big time...............so I think that both were abusive.

Boy what a pair..................

MOO:tonguewag:

My thoughts too Peaches. IT's pretty sad all the way around for Haleigh and Junior because they look so happy and carefree yet came from very limited financial means from what we have been told. :mellow:

I continue to hope a lawyer will step in and represent Misty so they can pin her down on whatever is keeping her from being able to come forth with a cohesive, coherent and consistent statement of facts.

IMO if LE does not know something very incriminating, they aren't going to get anywhere with Misty if it's just fear standing in the way over something we may not know. JMO

Still KEEPING THE FAITH WE WILL SEE A MIRACLE for HALEIGH. :wub:

[Money Girl]

I really respect Mark Klaas but last night I was disappointed in his comments. I do agree that the focus should be on Haleigh but I think it was wrong to try to brush aside incidents of horrific child abuse and imply that the mom isn't focused on Haleigh.

Ron Jr. is at risk and I don't blame CS one bit for wanting to remove him from what she believes is a dangerous environment.

I feel the same way, Tiffany.

[Peaches]

Excellent point.......I guess some will argue that they would have become homeless to be able to stay near her kids.....she was lucky her mother was able to take her in.


There are many government places where you can live without paying anything............you are charged according to how much you make.

Excuses..............you can always come up with an excuse why you did not stay to make sure your children were well cared for but to me that would be the most important thing to me in this world............my very own babies. But...............again, that is me...........not Crystal.

If you do not make enough money...............and work, what about food stamps.................?????????????

I do know that there are many, many ways to obtain help.

Also, did Crystal not have friends / family willing to help her so that she could stay close to her children????????????????????

There is no way in hezz that I would leave my children without a fight! and there is NO way I would live 2 hours away!

MOO:tonguewag:

[beachpatty]

Ahhh..there you are Patty. I thought you over slept and I was beginning to worry. lol...Oh Patty..where do we go from here? NO clues..NO evidence...EVERYONE is still a suspect or have NOT been ruled out...BUT...there is still a child that has vanished...Her toys are still here......her clothes are still here..her family is still here. I have to believe in my heart that LE knows many details and they have NOT given up. I cannot bring myself to wounder is she is alive or not. And with that said...Good morning to all and lets hope for a good day. JMO:wub:



Nope, I'm here, sometimes life gets to the point of "gotta do it". I am trying hard to find work, here in the highest unemployment rate county in the country. I have actually managed to get an interview scheduled for tomorrow with a business that I have a lot if experience in, bugs! I worked for the FBI (Florida Bug Investigators) for many years and know my bugs so maybe I stand a chance. Every job posted here gets at least 300+ resumes. I am going to go nuts if I don't find work soon, I have never not worked.

I am hoping that Cobra has some facts behind his statement, that he thinks something will break soon. That and this thing with the van, it would be interesting to know more about that van & what LE discovered from it (if anything). Chelsea seems pretty definate that it was not parked where she left it, that's basic instinct, I would know if someone moved my Jeep after I parked it. And the mystery scratch/gouge, somebody did it and it does sound possible that it could have been done by a tree branch or brush. I'm just praying for an end to this pain and suffering for the famlies, I know we all hope for a happy ending but it's been so long now, it just doesn't look good :(

There MAY be a POSSIBLE break in the Trenton Duckett case, I won't elaborate here on Haleigh's thread but I think there is still an active Trenton forum on the boards here, it may be there.


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[CANDYKISSES]

It happens everyday, all across this country, imo. Just look at the Brown/Rihanna case that is in the news currently.

Greetings Lady
Some of the women have become as violent as the men in many of these cases, so it's no longer just men beating women. While the sheer horror of Rihanna's injuries was enough to make most people with common sense ill, it appears they BOTH NEED anger management therapy as well as various other behavior therapy IMOO based on some of the stories out there now.

JMO:crying:

[legalmania]

True, it works both ways though, doesn't it?

moo

Yep if you can't afford them then don't have them we have plenty of technology today.

[Peaches]

Thank you Nancy Grace for helping find missing children......I love your show and watch you all the time!

Also, I loved the questions you asked Crystal last night.

Why did you move so far away? This is my favorite because I too think this move is very telling. As another poster said today, it is probably because she did not want to babysit while Ronald worked. Good point!

I would have like NG to ask her when she Crystal is going to be responsible for her own mistakes/her own decisions because ----------all I hear from her is ............"Ronald made me do it."

All moo

See you later................find HaLeigh while I am gone.............

[legalmania]

Thank you Nancy Grace for helping find missing children......I love your show and watch you all the time!

Also, I loved the questions you asked Crystal last night.

Why did you move so far away? This is my favorite because I too think this move is very telling. As another poster said today, it is probably because she did not want to babysit while Ronald worked. Good point!

I would have like NG to ask her when she Crystal is going to be responsible for her own mistakes/her own decisions because ----------all I hear from her is ............"Ronald made me do it."

All moo


See you later................find HaLeigh while I am gone.............

If you think it's babysitting when their your children maybe you shouldn't have them.

[CANDYKISSES]

If misty retains an attorney the first word of advice to her will be to shut up. imo

The postive side of that will be that once and for all RON, TERESA and GGM SYKES will know for certain whether her alleged loyalty lies with them in finding PRECIOUS HALEIGH CUMMINGS and what happened to her.

NEXT, LE will be able to lay out to an attorney exactly what is not matching up and what information they are really looking for in a legal and binding manner.

NEXT, the attorney will be able to spit it all out there to let her know what the worst case scenario is vs the best in her alleged desire to work with LE.

ALL JMO but it would finally answer a few questions about her loyalty and desire to help. Additionally, I think that would put a stop to any off color remarks calling her names that we have heard reference to by Misty herself which are simply allegations right now. It's just possible that LE has a theory and isn't exploring other possibilities as they try to break Misty. Maybe she isn't their answer after all. I am not sold on Misty period, but I fear she is at the point of needing a lawyer in the interest of justice and finding Haleigh possibly. :smile:

[legalmania]

Oh for sure, but in spite of the availabilty, look at the # of single moms today. From all spectrums of society.

moo

There are so many people who can't have them who deserve them, very sad.

[crymeariver2006]

Yes, I am very curious about her. I'm also wondering about DCF in that area. It's okay to use a stick as a weapon on a 3 yo?

This whole thing makes me literally sick.

DCF supposedly has in their "report" that the marks were from "natural discipline".

ITA, anyone who has to use weapons on a three year old child (or was Jr. 2 at the time?) is severely lacking in parenting skills.

Then yesterday, there was an article linked where GGM Sykes was commenting on the "abuse allegations", calling them "lies" wherein she was quoted as saying she was "old school" when it came to discipline.

Maybe someone saved the link to the article, I didn't.

Old school.

Did GGM Sykes use "old school" methods on Teresa?

Did Teresa use "old school" methods on Ron?

IF Ron used a stick (or switch or whatever they want to call it), that's a learned behavior and I doubt seriously DCF has anything about it being okay to use weapons on children for discipline purposes.

JMO

[?noanswer]

I have a couple of questions first of all does anybody know if Ron and Misty smoked inside the trailer? Second does anybody know about the air conditioner was it working?


I don't know if they smoked inside the dwelling, but I can't remember seeing RC with a cigarette in any of the pictures with Haleigh. I have never smoked and think it is wrong, but if one is a smoker, I can see them smoking more if they are under a lot of stress.

I don't know if the a/c was working or if the a/c man was there for a regular maintenance. I know in the South, lots of people have heat pumps/ac combined. Since they were having cold weather around that time, he could have been there checking it for heat problems. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Nope, I'm here, sometimes life gets to the point of "gotta do it". I am trying hard to find work, here in the highest unemployment rate county in the country. I have actually managed to get an interview scheduled for tomorrow with a business that I have a lot if experience in, bugs! I worked for the FBI (Florida Bug Investigators) for many years and know my bugs so maybe I stand a chance. Every job posted here gets at least 300+ resumes. I am going to go nuts if I don't find work soon, I have never not worked.

I am hoping that Cobra has some facts behind his statement, that he thinks something will break soon. That and this thing with the van, it would be interesting to know more about that van & what LE discovered from it (if anything). Chelsea seems pretty definate that it was not parked where she left it, that's basic instinct, I would know if someone moved my Jeep after I parked it. And the mystery scratch/gouge, somebody did it and it does sound possible that it could have been done by a tree branch or brush. I'm just praying for an end to this pain and suffering for the famlies, I know we all hope for a happy ending but it's been so long now, it just doesn't look good :(

There MAY be a POSSIBLE break in the Trenton Duckett case, I won't elaborate here on Haleigh's thread but I think there is still an active Trenton forum on the boards here, it may be there.


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

Patty....the van thing has me puzzled also!

Good luck on your interview!

Please check you PM's

[legalmania]

Did CS call it "babysitting" or is this just a couple of poster's perception of how Crystal feels?

I got it from one of the posters, I can't remember what her exact words were.

[crymeariver2006]

Ron trashed her on the Today show when he said the man in black thing was something his mother made up, and he seems real confident thats not even a possibility, he doesn't even address it, because he knows there was no man in back, because I think he knows exactly what happened but is in save Ron mode.

And the myspace cleaning? Hmm, if I had to take a guess, it would probably be because of people now looking into their buisness, meaning, people all over the internet stalking your myspace page hoping to see if you change your mood, or whatnot.

jmo

Crystal wasn't the only one who cleaned up a MySpace. Let's not forget Misty changing hers to "Find Haleigh" or something like that along with a photo of Haleigh. Too bad she didn't know that her profile can change, but she can't delete postings to other people's MySpace that she made several months ago.

That photo of Haleigh looks terribly out of place next to her vulgar comments on Amber's myspace about "crack" and "I got your man and I'll get your baby too". Not to mention the posts on her ex-boyfriend's site.

JMO

[legalmania]

I don't know if they smoked inside the dwelling, but I can't remember seeing RC with a cigarette in any of the pictures with Haleigh. I have never smoked and think it is wrong, but if one is a smoker, I can see them smoking more if they are under a lot of stress.

I don't know if the a/c was working or if the a/c man was there for a regular maintenance. I know in the South, lots of people have heat pumps/ac combined. Since they were having cold weather around that time, he could have been there checking it for heat problems. JMO

IMO I think cigarettes should be banned altogether it's worse than any drug out there. I have lung disease thanks dad. They stink and they are deadly.

[Texas48]

I agree with you about Mark Klass last night. Sure, he is correct about the focus being on finding Haleigh, but by the same token, Junior counts for something too. I would have thought Mark would think Junior's well being is equally important.

BTW, anyone else curious who the girlfriend was after Crystal who reported Ron to the DCF?

mooI agree totally about MK..his remarks were not his "usual" IMO. Last night I went back and tried to find anything I could about the girlfriend w/no luck. I always have depended on you for ALL the answers to ALL my questions..lol..

[sickntired]

one does not become an abuser all at once................shifting from gf to children. And...........to say that she was beat everyday. Give that a rest................no one - would put up with that. And, it is moo that ron's mother would not have allowed that to go on in her house.


Moo:tonguewag:

snipped quote for space & highlighting mine

You really don't know much about battered women and children or you would not have made that comment. I know, my mother lived with a man (my so called father) who beat her daily and beat us kids. We are all grown and she still takes up for that SOB. My brother took off when he became an adult and no one has heard from him for over 20 years, changed his name, social security # etc. My sister is a semi functioning crazy person.

So don't you dare claim NO ONE would put up with that.

JMO

[Texas48]

I agree. She remained cool under NG's ambush.

mooI also agree and I also woundered while watching their expressions if NG possibly has somethting personal against the att.? Just curious..

[legalmania]

Hi legal, I'm wondering why you're asking about the air conditioner since it was wintertime when Haleigh went missing. I don't know if it was working or not. Someone said it was general maintenance that the A/C guy was doing, ordered by the landlord for all the rentals s/he owned but I don't know if that's fact or not. Seems reasonable since it was a rental.

About their smoking, it's said Misty smoked outside on the front porch. However someone else said the missing child did breathing treatments. The smoke and residue stays on a person's clothing. It smells and some people are allergic to it. So even if a smoker smokes away from you, it's still detectable and children's lungs (and systems) are so small so it would affect them the most. I'm surprised they smoked at all since Haleigh is said to have health problems.

Well in Florida there is very little winter it stays around 80 in the day and maybe 70 or 60 at night but if there is no breeze it's hot. I just said what I think about cigerettes they are costing millions in health care.

[CC I See]

I want to discuss something here that I haven't seen posted and that is Misty's safety.

I believe that she knows what happen to Haleigh when she went missing and she did not act alone. The person who was with her may find that since she knows what happened might feel threatened with exposure. He might think that she could slip up and say something and give away what happened. I can see that he would be really worried.

Misty's well-being and safety is at stake. LE should use this to get her to talk. Offer her a deal in exchange for what happened that night and give up the name of the person who was there. This may be the only way of finding out what happened to Haleigh and protect Misty as well.

The only reason that I would think that Misty would turn down such a deal would be if she was an active participant and not just an accomplice.

[CelticDawn]

I live in Pa. too, hi neighbor, but I know areas of southeastern Pa. where it seems nothing happens. Too many areas of drugs, murders, assaults. You name it.
jmo

My oldest kid just went to live with her granddad who consults for eberly campus in Fayette Co. there in SW PA....we understand that comparatively speaking that is 'safe"....but I still worry.....close to Pittsburgh

[CelticDawn]

I couldn't disagree more. Abusers normally aren't selective, they abuse everyone.

Unfortunately there ARE women who not only put up with it, they come back for more. It's called Battered Wife Syndrome.

some long term marriages have abuse....and sometimes its two-way....and sometimes the children havent a clue that this is happening....there are some twisted relationships out there so for as many families, there are as many situations like that.

[teresa]

DCF supposedly has in their "report" that the marks were from "natural discipline".

ITA, anyone who has to use weapons on a three year old child (or was Jr. 2 at the time?) is severely lacking in parenting skills.

Then yesterday, there was an article linked where GGM Sykes was commenting on the "abuse allegations", calling them "lies" wherein she was quoted as saying she was "old school" when it came to discipline.

Maybe someone saved the link to the article, I didn't.

Old school.

Did GGM Sykes use "old school" methods on Teresa?

Did Teresa use "old school" methods on Ron?

IF Ron used a stick (or switch or whatever they want to call it), that's a learned behavior and I doubt seriously DCF has anything about it being okay to use weapons on children for discipline purposes.

JMO

someone linked Fl law on the last page of the Wed night thread. Read it and you'll be shocked. As long as you don't kill them everything goes.

Where I live, switches and belts are fine. My mom used switched on us! I mean real switches, not sticks. I preferred that to a belt.

It seems most states laws give huge leeway when it comes to discipline.

[crymeariver2006]

In Crystal's defense here a little, didn't she say that she did take them with her but Ron refused to return them on one of his visits? Isn't that when the first custody issue came about...I am just wondering, why did he file first for custody? If my children had not been returned to me I would be on the courthouse steps the very day or next day...why did she allow Ron to be the first to file?

Maybe she thought he would eventually return them. As she says "you don't tell Ron what to do".

IMO, Ron had TN and GGM Sykes all too willing to step into the fray between Ron and Crystal. I believe they, or at least TN, were the driving force behind the custody issue.

Again, IMO.

[sickntired]

:rose: For those persons affected by any type of abuse. :rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

Ron trashed her on the Today show when he said the man in black thing was something his mother made up, and he seems real confident thats not even a possibility, he doesn't even address it, because he knows there was no man in back, because I think he knows exactly what happened but is in save Ron mode.

And the myspace cleaning? Hmm, if I had to take a guess, it would probably be because of people now looking into their buisness, meaning, people all over the internet stalking your myspace page hoping to see if you change your mood, or whatnot.

jmo

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that as I feel Crystal started the trashing when some people developed a distaste for her about leaving her children behind and changing stories IMO.

:sneaky:Not a fan here of diminishing what's really being worked on and I think we saw a glimpse of it with the false reporting of a felony as reported on NG last night. IMO Crystal lacks credibility and I believe we are seeing some action taken to project a more parental image as opposed to the party atmosphere on the myspace along with the comment about caring for Chloe and the brats.

I liken it to Ron allegedly changing the nickname on his truck. I say allegedly as I have never seen the tags on the first one, but I am guessing that due to HOW INAPPROPRIATE THE MONIKER was, the new slogan about God judging him was in order given his missing child. Same goes for Crystal IMO.

So, if true, they are both trying to clean it up a bit and look more the part of the parents of a missing child IMO. :unsure:

[KKKKKKatie]

The only reason I question Crystal's claims of abuse against the kids is Theresa.

I believe she genuinely loves those kids and would not stand by and let Ron hurt them IMO

[crymeariver2006]

I understand why Crystal wants 2 discredit ron - a lot of that is coming from her guilt 4 not having custody of her own children & not living close by but I do not believe her stories of abuse of the children by ron. TN & GGM live close by & u can tell they r close & saw the kids often, had sleepovers, etc. I do not believe they wd've sanctioned or overlooked if Ron was hurting any of them. It doesn't seem like Ron isolated himself & I believe someone wd've turned him in if they saw signs of abuse.

I just don't believe Crystal & her phony tears. NG made a big deal about her lying about the car b/c it showed her character which is why NG had her on the show & shd b taken into consideration.

I think Haleigh was taken by a pervert & probably killed the same night. Maybe Misty wasn't there or slept thru it, who knows but I doubt she cd've stopped anyone intent on taking Haleigh. I had a hard time believing it cd hppn in the Lunsford case but now I know that it can & does occur.

MOO

GGM Sykes wouldn't have overlooked Ron's hitting the children with a stick? When she herself claims to be "old school" when it comes to discipline?

JMO

[CC I See]

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You really don't know much about battered women and children or you would not have made that comment. I know, my mother lived with a man (my so called father) who beat her daily and beat us kids. We are all grown and she still takes up for that SOB. My brother took off when he became an adult and no one has heard from him for over 20 years, changed his name, social security # etc. My sister is a semi functioning crazy person.

So don't you dare claim NO ONE would put up with that.

JMO.... I am so sorry for your grief, people do go through abuse everyday of their lives and stay for reasons that most people would not understand. It happens, you lived it.

I am against hitting any living person or animal...... unless it is in the act of war, self-dense or to enforce laws. :mad:

[AmndaRcknwth]

I am so behind, trying to keep up. Have some thoughts on the van, it has probably been discussed already, but...

* Chelsea drove the van, parked it. It was moved/not where she parked it, after she got the call from Misty that Haleigh was gone.

* It was Misty's vehicle that she drove Haleigh to school in. (I thought there was a bus?)

* Someone caused the van to have a huge noticable scratch from driver door to rear tire.

Right on those?

OK... so someone drove the van into a place where there was not much room to squeeze into... like a partially open fenced-in area.

Maybe like a park? Like maybe Ocala State Forest?

Or... private property that has a narrow opening.

Or... a bike path that is blocked to vehicles.

A smaller-than-van-size opening.

One more thing-- Misty could have easily walked to the van, with or without carrying Haleigh, she has keys to it, and Chelsea lives on the next block.

And Misty's blanket was supposedly in that van. Wrapped around Haleigh's body??

Or the cousin could have used the van. If he and Misty were high-whatever, Haleigh might have gotten hurt. Misty and Joe (and anyone there) would have known Ron has a temper, a gun, and a favorite babygirl. None of them would want to face him if they hurt H or let her get hurt accidentally because they were partying.

Whattya think?

[sickntired]

I am not defending her for moving so far away from her children but I can see why she did it. All of her family is in Baker county. When she left Ron where else would she have gone but to her mother's?

I don't buy that she did it to "get as far away from Ronald" as she said last night. I think she went to Baker county because she didn't have anywhere else to go.

And didn't she take her children with her? Ron has not disagreed with Crystal's account of "he didn't return the kids". I have to say, when Ron was questioned about liking/dating teen girls on NG...he admitted it, yes I have dated other teen girls. Was honest on that one and I'm not sure if I were him I would have admitted it :blushing:, but I guess with another possible child out there he would have to.

JMO

WWKLS

[CC I See]

I think Misty is lying about something - left the door open or knocked herself out w/ drugs & someone knew it or maybe she propped the door open & sneaked out only 2 come back later & Haleigh was gone. IDK someone knows something, that's 4 sure...... if she knocked herself out with drugs, she would not have been awake at 3:00 a.m. and would not know that Haleigh was missing until Ron woke her to tell her that she was.

[CANDYKISSES]

And see that is why I question it also. My mom was a housewife. My father was military. He abused her and us so bad at times, we all thought we were living in he77 on earth. My mom, with nothing but the clothes on our backs, left him with us and ran. She didn't even think for a minute to leave us there. And when he had visitation and did not bring us back, my mom took all the male friends she knew over to his house and got us back. I just can not fathom leaving your kids in an abusive environment, which is why her story gives me pause...

JMO

I know you must be very proud of your mother Liz and from your writing, I'd say she did a good job with her children. Coming from a military family, I know it wasn't easy for her to do. :wub: JMO

There is no measurement we can put on our children and yet society has put them aside for so long and their rights seem minimal in some instances. I pray Haleigh has not been enduring some of these allegations because I have no gray area at all for children and I would just as soon see EVERYONE WHO HAD KNOWLEDGE and PHOTOGRAPHS or a DUTY TO THE STATE GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL if something as alleged was IGNORED.

That said, I remember the representative who said any records were confidential...not for the public...that confirmed DCF had some contact with the Cummings household early on. She also stated if there was physical abuse found, the children would have been removed, but that was all she was saying. ALL PARAPHRASED HERE.

Does anyone else here remember that? I've done a few searches and can't find the article. IT was during the time the Gainesville feed was being followed here IIRC.

[IlliniFan]

I am so behind, trying to keep up. Have some thoughts on the van, it has probably been discussed already, but...

* Chelsea drove the van, parked it. It was moved/not where she parked it, after she got the call from Misty that Haleigh was gone.

* It was Misty's vehicle that she drove Haleigh to school in. (I thought there was a bus?)

* Someone caused the van to have a huge noticable scratch from driver door to rear tire.

Right on those?

OK... so someone drove the van into a place where there was not much room to squeeze into... like a partially open fenced-in area.

Maybe like a park? Like maybe Ocala State Forest?

Or... private property that has a narrow opening.

Or... a bike path that is blocked to vehicles.

A smaller-than-van-size opening.

One more thing-- Misty could have easily walked to the van, with or without carrying Haleigh, she has keys to it, and Chelsea lives on the next block.

And Misty's blanket was supposedly in that van. Wrapped around Haleigh's body??

Or the cousin could have used the van. If he and Misty were high-whatever, Haleigh might have gotten hurt. Misty and Joe (and anyone there) would have known Ron has a temper, a gun, and a favorite babygirl. None of them would want to face him if they hurt H or let her get hurt accidentally because they were partying.

Whattya think?

What confuses me is that I thought the SIL Chelsea lived in Daytona, or some other town. Lindsay, (and i could be wrong) is the SIL that lives in the same trailer park as Ron and Misty??? Do I have this all wrong???

[sickntired]

Maybe she thought he would eventually return them. As she says "you don't tell Ron what to do".

IMO, Ron had TN and GGM Sykes all too willing to step into the fray between Ron and Crystal. I believe they, or at least TN, were the driving force behind the custody issue.

Again, IMO.

I also remember early on that CS said that even Ron's family members were scared of him. I wonder if his neighbors were scared to turn him in to DCF for the allegations of child abuse.

Have we seen any male friends of Ron stepping forward at all?

[crymeariver2006]

someone linked Fl law on the last page of the Wed night thread. Read it and you'll be shocked. As long as you don't kill them everything goes.

Where I live, switches and belts are fine. My mom used switched on us! I mean real switches, not sticks. I preferred that to a belt.

It seems most states laws give huge leeway when it comes to discipline.

And THAT would be what Crystal is/was up against when reporting what SHE believed to be abuse, but DCF didn't.

Just because it's practically "anything goes", doesn't make it right. And it doesn't mean that Jr.'s "stick marks" should be written off as "natural discipline".

As I said, if you have to use weapons on a 3 year old, you don't have much in the way of parenting skills.

JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I also remember early on that CS said that even Ron's family members were scared of him. I wonder if his neighbors were scared to turn him in to DCF for the allegations of child abuse.

Have we seen any male friends of Ron stepping forward at all?

I still want to know who the big African American man is that was with Ron and Misty in all of the video in the beginning????
A friend on Ron's? Misty's?

[CC I See]

Snipped to address:

One more thing-- Misty could have easily walked to the van, with or without carrying Haleigh, she has keys to it, and Chelsea lives on the next block.

And Misty's blanket was supposedly in that van. Wrapped around Haleigh's body?? If Misty had access to a vehicle then she could easily have put Haleigh inside and hidden her somewhere ...... no one else would have needed to help her. Very good point.

[crymeariver2006]

What confuses me is that I thought the SIL Chelsea lived in Daytona, or some other town. Lindsay, (and i could be wrong) is the SIL that lives in the same trailer park as Ron and Misty??? Do I have this all wrong???

I can't wait to see the phone records in this case.

LE has by now. They're not moving away from that house as far as what happened to Haleigh. There's a reason for that.

IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

As for "you don't tell Ron what to do", that may be for Crystal, but with her families background, I'm not buying that, yet.

As for TN and GGM, I don't no where see them as controlling as I see with Crystals mom, Marie.
jmo

Ditto, FGS, the way some of them act, you would think scrawny RC was running the town. Are we really to believe he was running roughshod over the towns people? :scared:

I think he's a typical controlling kind of guy and whenever one or more are engaging in alcohol and drugs in a situation like that, it either gets really ugly (or a smaller percentage mellow out) and there can and will be confrontations IMO.

Marie is a horse of another color IMO. :eek:

[IlliniFan]

I can't wait to see the phone records in this case.

LE has by now. They're not moving away from that house as far as what happened to Haleigh. There's a reason for that.

IMO

I wish the articles about the van were written more clearly..again the article references the SIL that does not live in Satsuma...(I could be wrong)???

[AmndaRcknwth]

Ditto, FGS, the way some of them act, you would think scrawny RC was running the town. Are we really to believe he was running roughshod over the towns people? :scared:

I think he's a typical controlling kind of guy and whenever one or more are engaging in alcohol and drugs in a situation like that, it either gets really ugly (or a smaller percentage mellow out) and there can and will be confrontations IMO.

Marie is a horse of another color IMO. :eek:

I think both of the Moms, Teresa and Marie, are doing what a Mom would do. You protect YOUR kid.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I wish the articles about the van were written more clearly..again the article references the SIL that does not live in Satsuma...(I could be wrong)???

True, but we all know reporters seldom do all the homework before engaging ther mouths or keyboards.

Whichever sis in law it is, Chelsea or Lindsy, they live in the neighborhood, because it seems they share the van. (I think)

[?noanswer]

I think both RC and Crystal have done things in the past as have some of the family members. I don't thing RC should have gotten married, but this is said and done. I do not think Crystal should be pursuing this custody issue at this point. When things have settled down and she has a stable home for all her children then if she wants custody, begin the battle at that point.

Ron's mom & gma seem to be grieving, while CS's mom just seems mad. She came on the scene that way, stopped for a few days and started again. If CS has been controlled by anyone it has been her mom. I wonder how long this atty. will be staying on this case. Seems they are already having problems with the "Search/Finding/Donations" building. I don't know how they can control who comes into the building. Will they have the PI/bounty hunter as a bouncer and check everyone's ID before they are allowed into the building?

I have no idea what happened to Haleigh and if LE can't figure it out, I know I can't.

I just wish everyone would focus on resolving what happened to Haleigh. There will be plenty of time to air dirty laundry after that mission is accomplished. JMO

[Mimi428]

ummm, about the hair sample. Makes me wonder now if a hair sample was collected from all family when DNA was collected. If not, hope that LE collected hair sample at least from Misty to check for any type of drugs.

I'll have to research because I cannot remember how long a person will deep sleep after being given the "date rape" drug. For some reason I thought it was like 8 - 10 hours. When they first wake up they are confused and hung over feeling. After giving it some thought, I do not think Misty would have just taken a little 3 - 4 hour nap on a serious drug like that. Nope, I'm ruling out my date rape drug theory.

My nic should be flip-flopping again.

I wonder what GHB would do if ingested by a small child. Way back when we first learned of this case someone at WS posted the long version of the arrest charges Ron had back in 2002 - & #17 on the list was...

17 CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS GHB Gender M

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3308780&postcount=87

If he knew how to get it back then, he might still know how to get it.

JMO

[IlliniFan]

True, but we all know reporters seldom do all the homework before engaging ther mouths or keyboards.

Whichever sis in law it is, Chelsea or Lindsy, they live in the neighborhood, because it seems they share the van. (I think)

Yes, I can't figure out why the reporting isn't better...I'm still confused about whether or not Joe was staying with Lindsay and her husband the night Haleigh went missing??

[?noanswer]

So many people complain about how mad Crystal and her family are. Don't you think it's because the other family lost Haleigh? If they lost one child then it up's the anti on chances of losing the remaining child.

I think it goes much deeper than that. I think CS lets her mom control her. I would wait until the problem was resolved and then if it was warranted, I would become angry. JMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/bluevanscratch.jpg

I can't even see the scratch from this pic, but this is the van.

[teresa]

The child was still living in a tent amongst the drama, I bet on some level that messed him up. Why not take the child to the grandmothers, where he is now, and let him try to be not so damaged? Or how about stopping the custody stuff in the mess of all this, how about Ron stop being so controlling over Crystal and let her watch him when he flew off with his child bride, he is an abuser on so many levels.

jmo

Crystal did have Jr when he went to NY for the Today show. Sorry if this is already answered...I'm behind.

[?noanswer]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/?action=view&current=bluevanscratch.jpg

I can't even see the scratch from this pic, but this is the van.

I don't see it either and the video about it was confusing. I can't see LE releasing it if they found any evidence in it. LE still has KC's vehicle. Course she has no need for it and I guess this family probably needs theirs. So confusing!! JMO

[?noanswer]

As for RC saying he dated teen girls, that can be taken a different way, except for Misty.
jmo

Exactly, he was a teen at one time. But if things that have been reported are true, maybe he stills like a "younger" woman. JMO

[IlliniFan]

Like Marc Klass said last night on NG, it's too bad the custody issues can't be dealt with privately and not on air....


Right now, the media, attorneys, families, Le, Cobra, everyone should be focusing on finding Haleigh.

The NG show last night should have been discussing Haleigh. It seems Haleigh is getting lost in all of this.....What a mess!!

[?noanswer]

Yes, he's certainly no stranger to the drug scene, imo.

Marijuana
Controlled substance (?)
MDMA
GHS
Opium
Heroin
Cocaine
And Assault

Yet no convictions?

How this guy got custody is really disturbing, imo.

I think one of the reasons he got custody is because no one else really wanted custody. JMO

[Mimi428]

I'm confused about that aspect too. Probably we're confused because they haven't said.

Teresa Neves, Ron's Mother said emphatically there was a BAD BAD fight Ron had with Misty's cousin the night before Haleigh went missing.

It's said Ron got mad and denied any fight whatsoever. Didn't happen he said.

The following night Teresa Neves, Ron's Mother downplayed that to just a regular fight.

The next night Teresa Neves, Ron's Mother minimized that further to no fight at all and no problem at all with that cousin of Misty's.

Why is Ron lying about this fight that happened with Misty's cousin over a gun?

I don't believe his Mother would just make up a story for no good reason about him having a bad fight with Misty's cousin over a gun. She didn't pluck that out of thin air. I believe it happened the way she first stated it. A bad bad fight (her words)

ITA, I believe Teresa's original story, that there was a bad fight between Ron & Misty's cousin over a gun being stolen from Ron.

I also think Teresa, somewhere in her heart of hearts, is trying not to think about what the ramifications might be for some of the times she has changed her story because it didn't fit with what Ron wanted the story to be.

JMO

[Mimi428]

Exactly, he was a teen at one time. But if things that have been reported are true, maybe he stills like a "younger" woman. JMO

Just look at the picture of Misty when she & Ron were on the Today Show - & forget what we know about her real age - & tell me how young she looks to you.

To me, she looks very young, much younger than her actual age of 17.

I don't think Ron became interested in her because of her chronological age. I think his interest was piqued by how she looks. And she darn well does not look 17.

JMO