Thursday March 19, 2009

[AmndaRcknwth]

I just don't see it. Every ones familes, towns afraid of Ron?? I don't see RC as threatening as some seem to think.
jmo

That is probably because he isn't threatening to his friends, co-workers, or strangers. Just his girlfriends. Crystal was. Misty is.

Dunno about Amber, (but Misty got her man from her like she said on the girls MySpace).

[Mimi428]

I just don't see it. Every ones familes, towns afraid of Ron?? I don't see RC as threatening as some seem to think.
jmo

Look at all the posts on this board from people who think Ron would kill Misty if he found out she harmed Haleigh.

JMO

[Riverwalk!]

I still want to know who the big African American man is that was with Ron and Misty in all of the video in the beginning????
A friend on Ron's? Misty's?

In this picture, he is identified as Orlando Taylor.

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22299900&event=692293&CategoryID=9088

[jewel6]

GGM Sykes wouldn't have overlooked Ron's hitting the children with a stick? When she herself claims to be "old school" when it comes to discipline?

JMO

We used to have to pick our switch off of a tree and i was born in the same area. I dont feel that it was child abuse. Now mind you i dont hit my kids but thats my own choice. when i think back to those days i remember i never did what ever it was that i did again. I beleive it might be a southern old way of disipline. JMO :sad:

[KKKKKKatie]

In this picture, he is identified as Orlando Taylor.

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22299900&event=692293&CategoryID=9088

Thanks River....do we know who he is? A friend of Ron's?

[AmndaRcknwth]

I am not quite sure how to take that. Care to explain???

Yes. I don't blame either Mom so much, or any grandmas, family members.
Why? Because they are trying to protect their own child.
Teresa minimizing Ron's fight is an example, as well as the way she seems to always be there for him. That I see as normal.

Marie/Nancy/whatever is there for Crystal. She tries in her crudeish way to protect her own. Her anger is real, she no doubt feels Crystal has gotten the short end as far as the kids, and it was on the watch of RC/Misty that Haleigh disappeared.

Not trying to be snotty about class, but these aren't college graduates, these are salt-of-the-earth. They have no idea the PR they SHOULD have had from the start.

I'm not a fan of either family really, but I do think the moms are doing what they can with what they have.

[KKKKKKatie]

I saw/heard Teresa Neves either to Nancy Grace of Greta say there was a bad bad fight (her exact words). Ron got mad, then she changed it to just a plain fight, then changed again to no fight at all. there was no problem according to her.

somebody's misspeaking for sure. It can't be all of the above. Impossible.

On tv. I know what I saw/heard her say.

The no problem, no fight was her 3rd story regarding the issue when she was totally 100% lock-stepped with her son AFTER he had become FURIOUS about it.

I believe by what I saw/heard her say that she's covering for him and doing and saying exactly what she's told by him to say/do.

You may be right Adalena...she very well could be covering for Ron now but before Haleigh was taken do you really think she would have stood by and let Ron abuse his kids?

[Riverwalk!]

Thanks River....do we know who he is? A friend of Ron's?

Look at the other pictures, in the link, and he is described as "close friend of Ron Cummings". That's all I know!

[Mimi428]

GGM Sykes wouldn't have overlooked Ron's hitting the children with a stick? When she herself claims to be "old school" when it comes to discipline?

JMO

Exactly. I think GGM Sykes has probably done her own share of switching a kid or two. I don't think her definition of being "old school" when it comes to discipline is to put the kid in a corner for time out.

JMO

[teresa]

I am not defending her for moving so far away from her children but I can see why she did it. All of her family is in Baker county. When she left Ron where else would she have gone but to her mother's?

I don't buy that she did it to "get as far away from Ronald" as she said last night. I think she went to Baker county because she didn't have anywhere else to go.

Pia, isn't all of Crystal's very large family in Putnam Co? I think only her mom moved away?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Look at all the posts on this board from people who think Ron would kill Misty if he found out she harmed Haleigh.

JMO

Whether she was in the back of a cruiser or not!

In a heartbeat.

Just look at the guy's misery on his wedding day.

[KKKKKKatie]

Look at the other pictures, in the link, and he is described as "close friend of Ron Cummings". That's all I know!

Ok...thank you so much!

[jewel6]

:Exactly. I think GGM Sykes has probably done her own share of switching a kid or two. I dont' think her definition of being "old school" when it comes to discipline is to put the kid in a corner for time out.

JMO

I dont think so either! :thumbsup: She probally made them pick it like My southern grandparents! :angry: jmo

[?noanswer]

You may be right...at the time, Crystal may not have fought hard enough.

Do you think she wants custody now?

I would hope so, but I'm not sure why. Even if she wants custody, now is just not the time to do it.

This is a sad, sad situation. I don't think either side has clean hands, but when/if Haleigh's disappearance is solved, then maybe the custody issue will be resolved to make everyone satisfied. JMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

In this picture, he is identified as Orlando Taylor.

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22299900&event=692293&CategoryID=9088

another:
http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22299902&event=692293&CategoryID=9088&picnum=4&move=B#Image

[Barbara fl.]

A lot of people have talked about the Lunsford case when this case first happened. I don't know if LE has searched every one of the trailer homes in the area where they live. However the occupants would have to either voluntarily let them search or they'd have to have a warrant. And for that there has to be probable cause.

Perish the thought that LE could come tramping thru our homes at will without probable cause. They could say they were looking for anything and be lying.

Don't know the answers to your other questions. You might try one of the early articles in the links thread. LE has spoken about searching some of the trailers of neighbors early on because the people let them. LE talked about that at at least one of their pressors because a news reporter asked the same questions you did.

I know that LE couldn't search every home in the area but I sure wish they could.....I wouldn't hesitate to let them in to search, if I thought that everyone in the entire area would agree for the sake of a child, it might just find her, probably in the one home that would not agree to the search.....

Jessica Lundsford keeps popping up in my head as well.....

I can not help but feel as though the person who took Haleigh lives in that very area....JMOO

[jewel6]

Question :

Is it true that Misty's father is a sexual offender? Where is he?


What??? I thought he owns a business there a concrete finishing or something like that. What am i missing? :scared:

[KKKKKKatie]

another:
http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=22299902&event=692293&CategoryID=9088&picnum=4&move=B#Image

Thanks Amnda

[TxLady2]

I totoally agree! She really seems to have a distste in her mouth for crystal. wonder what nancy knows? Jmo I know i will probally get flamed for this, bt in my opinion crystal is as bad as the rest. If she thought there was abuse to her children she should gone hell and high water to have them removed. That didnt happen. She just went on with her life and started a new family. now shes on tv looking alot more sophisticated throwing stones at her ex. JMO Why in the world didnt crystal pay her support and have those children removed. She had ample time. JMO :sad:

What does Nancy know? NOTHING... or at least no more than anyone else. She brought up Crystal's past, yet did not bring up Ronald's past, I wonder why. Ron has an arrest record a mile long. Does Crystal? And it doesn't matter that he was never convicted... he had drugs in his possession or he would never have been arrested. I don't know what strings mommy pulled to keep him out of jail, but something ain't right about that.
Why did Nancy tiptoe around Ronald and his mother, yet hammer Crystal and the attorney? Because once an attorney comes on to support someone, Nancy feels intimidated and has to unsheath her claws. It took 3 times for the lawyer to get it through Nancy's head that Crystal did not know about this abuse until recently. And then she made such a big deal out of Crystal filing a false report on a coworker. OMG! That was just petty and childish! Both me and my hubs was sitting there with our mouths open watching this fiasco last night... we both wanted to reach in and strangle Nancy for her brutal manner. She finally calmed down a little, but too late. I hope CNN wakes up one of these days and pulls her off the air... it won't be too soon for me!!

[Babes]

I'm confused about that aspect too. Probably we're confused because they haven't said.

Teresa Neves, Ron's Mother said emphatically there was a BAD BAD fight Ron had with Misty's cousin the night before Haleigh went missing.

It's said Ron got mad and denied any fight whatsoever. Didn't happen he said.

The following night Teresa Neves, Ron's Mother downplayed that to just a regular fight.

The next night Teresa Neves, Ron's Mother minimized that further to no fight at all and no problem at all with that cousin of Misty's.

Why is Ron lying about this fight that happened with Misty's cousin over a gun?

I don't believe his Mother would just make up a story for no good reason about him having a bad fight with Misty's cousin over a gun. She didn't pluck that out of thin air. I believe it happened the way she first stated it. A bad bad fight (her words)


Even Misty and her parents said that there was a fight remember?

[Mimi428]

:

I dont think so either! :thumbsup: She probally made them pick it like My southern grandparents! :angry: jmo

Oh, I would not find that a bit hard to believe. That was such a common scenario back in the day. I swear I thought some of them deliberately put extra water & fertilizer on the shrubs/bushes/trees they got their supply of switches from! And you go pick your own......YOWIE.

[MrLucky917B]

Thanks...

Has there been any sign of a new search happening?
In CA I thought they had searches every week going on? Why not here?

Do they need volunteers? I can be there in just a few hours...why no more searches...I don't get it.

Since LE isn't releasing any info on this case it would be hard to find out where or what to search.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Just look at the picture of Misty when she & Ron were on the Today Show - & forget what we know about her real age - & tell me how young she looks to you.

To me, she looks very young, much younger than her actual age of 17.

I don't think Ron became interested in her because of her chronological age. I think his interest was piqued by how she looks. And she darn well does not look 17.

JMO

I am not a good judge of age and hope that I never have to decide on anything that is important. Having said that, she does look young - how young she looks I can't say. I think CS still looks young, but I think they were both teens when they became involved. JMO

I have no idea how she and RC became involved with each other. Could have been that they hit it off from the start. JMO

[?noanswer]

We used to have to pick our switch off of a tree and i was born in the same area. I dont feel that it was child abuse. Now mind you i dont hit my kids but thats my own choice. when i think back to those days i remember i never did what ever it was that i did again. I beleive it might be a southern old way of disipline. JMO :sad:

o/t my best friend still laughs about the day that one of her grandchildren came into the house and said "Where's yall peach tree?". Seems he was mad at his brother and was gonna give him a whipping. JMO

[Riverwalk!]

Question :

Is it true that Misty's father is a sexual offender? Where is he?

Hank Thomas Croslin lives a few blocks from Ron/Misti. He has NO criminal record that I have found.

Hank T. Croslin, Jr. (Tommy) and his wife, Lindsay live nearby too.

[jewel6]

Oh, I would not find that a bit hard to believe. That was such a common scenario back in the day. I swear I thought some of them deliberately put extra water & fertilizer on the shrubs/bushes/trees they got their supply of switches from! And you go pick your own......YOWIE.

Yea i learned that the green ones were worst. Thats probally why i have never disiplined my children this way. But i do beleive it was ok in the old day and nobody said anything! :sad: jmo

[Mimi428]

I remember in one video of Crystal and her Mom where Marie was totally in Crystals face like a goon squad. When I seen that I was like back off lady.
Sorry, don't know what video.
jmo

I know what you mean by that - the totally getting in her face, etc. I think that controlling sort of behavior was familiar to Crystal, something she was used to getting from her mother & it probably did not seem even a bit strange to her when Ron did & said controlling stuff as well. She was used to it, raised on it. And people who want to control, who want to have the upper hand, seek out people like Crystal.

JMO

[Babes]

Hank Thomas Croslin lives a few blocks from Ron/Misti. He has NO criminal record that I have found.

Hank T. Croslin, Jr. (Tommy) and his wife, Lindsay live nearby too.


Thanks riverwalk

[TxLady2]

Nor was I. The thing that really caught my attention was when she replied to NG's question about what the abuse was. One of the things she said "living in a tent". HELLO, wasn't CS in a tent and sounds like she is going to be living in the Haleighbug building. Also if you have to beg for donations to support your children, what will happen when the donations stop. JMO

Yes, Crystal was living in a tent... but when she took Jr. for her vistations, she went back to her house... she didn't keep him in her tent. Big difference.
I always wondered with so many family members living around there, why did Ron and Misty stay in a tent? Why couldn't they have stayed with his grandmother? It can't be easy camping out in a tent with no bathroom facilities, no kitchen, no toys for the little boy to play with.

[sickntired]

It must have been poor reporting that led people to misquote Teresa saying there was a "fight" over a gun. Teresa's direct quote was that there wasn't a "fight", which is consistent with what I've heard her and Ron say several times.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Missing-Girl-s-Grandmother-Talks-About-Suspicious/RnLAsZ1TMkauL5S_7_x17A.cspx

Neves is talking about Misty Croslin’s cousin. Misty is the 17-year-old girlfriend of Haleigh Cumming’s father Ronald Cummings. She said the man came to visit Misty’s family a few weeks before Haleigh disappeared. During that time, Neves said the man stole a gun from Cummings’ home. That gun was taken back when Neves said her son confronted the man about taking the weapon.

“There was no fight. There was an incident between him and a cousin. It happened two weeks before (Haleigh was abducted),” she said.

Even in this article, they screw up her direct quote of "“I know he came here to visit Misty’s family, and he left the same day my granddaughter went missing,” by stating "She did say it was suspicious how he claims he left town one day before Haleigh disappeared."

It's no wonder there's so much misinformation out there when reporters can't even accurately report what the person says in the same article.




I know a lot of times I will use the word "fight" when actually it's an argument, not a physical fight. However, I do not believe that Ron C. said to Joe, hey pal, did you happen to take my gun? and Joe replies, well it just so happens I may have accidentially put that in my pocket. I believe the "incident" was a heated one.

[IlliniFan]

Yes, Crystal was living in a tent... but when she took Jr. for her vistations, she went back to her house... she didn't keep him in her tent. Big difference.
I always wondered with so many family members living around there, why did Ron and Misty stay in a tent? Why couldn't they have stayed with his grandmother? It can't be easy camping out in a tent with no bathroom facilities, no kitchen, no toys for the little boy to play with.

There was an RV donated to Ron and then a few days later one donated to Crystal to use...probably for a limited amount of time...

Just because the lawyer makes an allegation, doesn't mean it's authentic...imo

[AmndaRcknwth]

I know a lot of times I will use the word "fight" when actually it's an argument, not a physical fight. However, I do not believe that Ron C. said to Joe, hey pal, did you happen to take my gun? and Joe replies, well it just so happens I may have accidentially put that in my pocket. I believe the "incident" was a heated one.

LOL. "Here's your gun back, friend"

Nope. All of them early on, mentioned the fight.

[?noanswer]

Then why in he77 didn't someone step in with all this so called abuse, on Crystal, the kids, etc.??
jmo

They were all waiting for GR and the new attorney to come to down with guns ablazing. JMO

[Riverwalk!]

I have never heard that. When Haleigh disappeared he was in the hospital - had an operation, but has since come home. An older man walked Misty "down the aisle", but I don't know if that was him. JMO

He had surgery on his leg or hip and was in a wheelchair for a time in some of the pictures at the beginning. He was on crutches at the wedding.

[Babes]

I have never heard that. When Haleigh disappeared he was in the hospital - had an operation, but has since come home. An older man walked Misty "down the aisle", but I don't know if that was him. JMO


Ok he was in the hospital when Haleigh disapppeared. Thanks

[?noanswer]

Yes, Crystal was living in a tent... but when she took Jr. for her vistations, she went back to her house... she didn't keep him in her tent. Big difference.
I always wondered with so many family members living around there, why did Ron and Misty stay in a tent? Why couldn't they have stayed with his grandmother? It can't be easy camping out in a tent with no bathroom facilities, no kitchen, no toys for the little boy to play with.

I had not heard that. Where is her daughter staying? Is she leaving her at her home all week while she is in Satsuma? JMO

[Babes]

Did anyone knows what happen to the 9MM Beretta ( Gun ) that Ron owns? Is it in the possession of LE now?

[teresa]

Are you serious? How did I miss this???

He's not Pia.

[iluvspring]

What??? I thought he owns a business there a concrete finishing or something like that. What am i missing? :scared:

Here's the link to the family tree of both families. IMHO they've produced a lot of nuts, but not too much good timber.

[Babes]

"Police said they have tracked that man down and questioned him. They also said he has not been ruled out as a suspect."

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx



Misty have her own van? Is Misty calling this van hers? Can somebody correct me on this? Am i reading it correct?

“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

[IlliniFan]

Misty have her own van? Is Misty calling this van hers? Can somebody correct me on this? Am i reading it correct?

“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx


That article was written so poorly and quoting (I believe) the wrong SIL...it just doesn't explain much very clearly...good luck trying to make sense of it.....Too bad, because it's important, imo

[ttcRider]

I have to stop watching CSI, I cannot believe it is taking this long to solve this! :cursing:

[Babes]

That article was written so poorly and quoting (I believe) the wrong SIL...it just doesn't explain much very clearly...good luck trying to make sense of it.....Too bad, because it's important, imo

Arggggh...we do not need more inconsistencies IMO

[Motomom]

It looks like some people missed the point about Crystal's stolen car claim. That wasn't the point. The fact that she lied to the police and accused someone of a crime they didn't commit was the point. Why should we believe any of Crystal's claims when she is known to lie to get someone in trouble with the law.

Hi bookie.. I agree with you. I'm not so sure why some people want so bad for Crystal to get custody that they seem to hope these allegations are true.. because if they are true, that means that Haleigh and Junior have possibly suffered for these last few yrs. I dont' want to know or even think that they have suffered at the hands of their father. I hope these allegations are not proven and if that happens.. I hope they get a lawyer after Crystal for false accusations. We know two judges saw right through her.

[iluvspring]

Here's the link to the family tree of both families. IMHO they've produced a lot of nuts, but not too much good timber.

Duh! I forgot the link. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4570.0

[Babes]

For me - i believe the bickering between Ron and crystal will not stop and i dont think both of them deserves the kids IMO. I just hope that some other family will take care of Junior. If there are allegations of child abuse - whether it is false accusations or not then i hope DCF will investigate it for the sake of the kid and not for the sake of Crystal and Ron. I dont really side with Crystal and Ron on this case - My sympathy are with the kids. IMO

[CelticDawn]

The only reason I question Crystal's claims of abuse against the kids is Theresa.

I believe she genuinely loves those kids and would not stand by and let Ron hurt them IMO

I believe that Theresa would have stepped in and put a stop to that. Period.

Lots of accusations are being thrown around, and since I believe that the accuser has her own issues that may cloud perception, judgement, and right now..considering the situation actions and what she has to say.....I say take it with a grain of salt...

[Babes]

Wonder if the gun was registered???


This is what am asking from the beginning. Where is this gun now?. Is this gun registered?

[Peaches]

I couldn't disagree more. Abusers normally aren't selective, they abuse everyone.

Unfortunately there ARE women who not only put up with it, they come back for more. It's called Battered Wife Syndrome.



Yes...............Battered Wife Syndrome..............there is always a honeymoon period...........where they are sorry..........etc with this.

I have helped at our shelter...............so I do know some about what happens................

Have I ever been beaten...............the answer is NO.

My parents spanked us as I did my children..............no beatings........and yes, there were times when we had to get our own switch.....not often but we did.

I know no one who has said to me that they were beaten everyday.

Sorrry.................well, not really.

moo

[Nicola]

Misty have her own van? Is Misty calling this van hers? Can somebody correct me on this? Am i reading it correct?

“The day Haleigh went missing, everyone was looking for her…she (Misty) called me later that night and said 'Chelsea, please tell me you’re the one who put the scratch in my van.' I started crying and told her there’s no way I put the scratch in her van," said Chelsea.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/New-Details-About-Evidence-In-The-Haleigh/1k5Lp9GD2E2M74ZPyUJb7g.cspx

Yes, you are reading it correctly, and if you watch the video to the right of the article you can also hear what Chelsea has to say about the van and call she recieved from Misty regarding the scratches.

[IlliniFan]

Yes, you are reading it correctly, and if you watch the video to the right of the article you can also hear what Chelsea has to say about the van and call she recieved from Misty regarding the scratches.

Can you tell me where Chelsea lives...? I thought Lindsey (Misty's other SIL) lived in the Trailer Court where Ron and Misty lives..tia

sorry, I guess I can't keep everyone straight...

[FrankieBones1]

The fact that Crystal filed a false claim that her car was stole and almost got someone arrested on a felony before she admitted to LE she was lying bothers me.
I think her attorney didnt know about it or was hoping it wouldnt come out. She said it had nothing to do with this. I think it does question Crystals credibility with these abuse allegations. If she has lied and reported crimes that never happened is a biggie that history may be repeating itself.
Credibility issues with her lawyer as well.

She mentions what Ron had done and given to Crystal since she was a "Very little girl".

I doubt Ron knew her back then.

[sydney]

did i miss crystal asking for the safe return of haleigh last night? if so, i apologize. seems to me all i heard were allegations that, as of right now, aren't substantiated. seems to me that she was ready to get rockin' and rollin' on one or two of the questions ms. grace asked and her attorney had to hold her back. once, when crystal asked if she could answer a question put by ms. grace, her attorney flat out told her "no". i also noticed that she seemed to be crying at one point, and madder than a wet hen at another - i noticed later in the interview that she was jiggling in her seat and her attorney actually looked at her and kind of reached out to her to make her stop.

i don't mean to sound like i'm bashing her - i believe she is upset that her daughter is missing - but i also think her anger at ronald and his behaviour towards her regarding things he allegedly did to her when they were together is outweighing her desire to find her daughter and taking much needed attention away from the search.

as i said before, were are all these people now alledgedly coming forward with allegations of child abuse ever asked by crystal's attorney if they had any information that may help with the investigation instead? in my own humble opinion, if crystal was serious about helping find her daughter, i think that question would have been more productive right than asking about whether they witnessed any abuse of these children.

again, if she is concerned for jr.'s safety, why doesn't her attorney file an emergency motion to remove the child from ron's care if they have "proof" of these allegations?

i say, both parents should wait til AFTER this child is found and then, have at it.

(i'm covering my head now so i won't get hurt when the bashing starts)

[jewel6]

Is crystal working? or Ron? just wondering? How is crystal paying her mortgage? as well as ron the rent? jmo

[Motomom]

I don't think it's fair to characterize concerns over the possibility of child abuse as a "hope these allegations are true." I hope no such thing.

The allegations were brought up and they need to be investigated. If true, the abuser needs to be held accountable. I see no reason why they should be swept under the rug now or ever. Imo, discussions and/or investigations into the allegations does not hinder LE in any way in their on-going investigation of what happened to Haleigh.

I agree.. I hope there is a thorough investigation and if it these allegations are founded..then Junior should be removed asap. However, not necessarily to Crystal, until she has been thoroughly checked out. However I hope that they aren't founded and the child stays with Ron. If they are unfounded, no reason to remove this child IMO.

I'm just looking at it differently to be honest. I dont want the allegations to be true, just so Crystal gets the kids. I may be interpretting others postings wrong. so if the shoe don't fit...

[jewel6]

did i miss crystal asking for the safe return of haleigh last night? if so, i apologize. seems to me all i heard were allegations that, as of right now, aren't substantiated. seems to me that she was ready to get rockin' and rollin' on one or two of the questions ms. grace asked and her attorney had to hold her back. once, when crystal asked if she could answer a question put by ms. grace, her attorney flat out told her "no". i also noticed that she seemed to be crying at one point, and madder than a wet hen at another - i noticed later in the interview that she was jiggling in her seat and her attorney actually looked at her and kind of reached out to her to make her stop.

i don't mean to sound like i'm bashing her - i believe she is upset that her daughter is missing - but i also think her anger at ronald and his behaviour towards her regarding things he allegedly did to her when they were together is outweighing her desire to find her daughter and taking much needed attention away from the search.

as i said before, were are all these people now alledgedly coming forward with allegations of child abuse ever asked by crystal's attorney if they had any information that may help with the investigation instead? in my own humble opinion, if crystal was serious about helping find her daughter, i think that question would have been more productive right than asking about whether they witnessed any abuse of these children.

again, if she is concerned for jr.'s safety, why doesn't her attorney file an emergency motion to remove the child from ron's care if they have "proof" of these allegations?

i say, both parents should wait til AFTER this child is found and then, have at it.

(i'm covering my head now so i won't get hurt when the bashing starts)

ITA! Now let me put on my hat! JMO

[Motomom]

so why did Crystals lawyer make it sound like she was just a young girl when Ronald started forcing her to do drugs when they are about the same age? This is going to come back and bite her on the butt.....IMO

I don't think this Lawyer wants Crystal to take any blame for her own choices.

[Ice Cycle]

Being a old southern way is not an excuse, its wrong to hit a child, a child is not a horse that has gotten out of line. You dont hit a two year old with a stick, how can anyone condone hitting a two year old with a stick?

Just checking in to see if anything new, it also wasn't that long ago
they use to give guys licks in school.
Their is a big difference between switching someone with a thin switch lightly than hitting them with a stick, fist or spanking on the b-hind and everyone knows that. Spankings or any form of discipline is to correct the child not to take their own anger out and anyone that does that knows the difference wherever or whenever they were raised.

[Motomom]

Four or so years ago????

Exactly. If she fought these last three yrs for these kids, I'd see her in a completely different light..

[sydney]

i'm watching NG again and Crystal said in the four years she was with Ronald she never saw ANY abuse.



ohhhhh she's a kind hearted person and she let Ronald have the children. Ok i'm going to be sick.


How does a woman say she was forced to take drugs, was abused and then say but i'm kind hearted and gave my abuser the children??

you know, i THOUGHT i heard that, but it made no sense to me, so i thought i heard wrong. that was absolutely astoundinng to me.

[IlliniFan]

did i miss crystal asking for the safe return of haleigh last night? if so, i apologize. seems to me all i heard were allegations that, as of right now, aren't substantiated. seems to me that she was ready to get rockin' and rollin' on one or two of the questions ms. grace asked and her attorney had to hold her back. once, when crystal asked if she could answer a question put by ms. grace, her attorney flat out told her "no". i also noticed that she seemed to be crying at one point, and madder than a wet hen at another - i noticed later in the interview that she was jiggling in her seat and her attorney actually looked at her and kind of reached out to her to make her stop.

i don't mean to sound like i'm bashing her - i believe she is upset that her daughter is missing - but i also think her anger at ronald and his behaviour towards her regarding things he allegedly did to her when they were together is outweighing her desire to find her daughter and taking much needed attention away from the search.

as i said before, were are all these people now alledgedly coming forward with allegations of child abuse ever asked by crystal's attorney if they had any information that may help with the investigation instead? in my own humble opinion, if crystal was serious about helping find her daughter, i think that question would have been more productive right than asking about whether they witnessed any abuse of these children.

again, if she is concerned for jr.'s safety, why doesn't her attorney file an emergency motion to remove the child from ron's care if they have "proof" of these allegations?

i say, both parents should wait til AFTER this child is found and then, have at it.

(i'm covering my head now so i won't get hurt when the bashing starts)

Last night on NG Marc Klass stated that he thought the custody issues should be kept private. He believes it's taking away from Haleigh (paraphrasing) I can't agree more....

If Ron has hurt the children let LE and/or DCFS (or whatever it's called in Fl) figure it out. If has abused them, then he shouldn't have them. However, I know that attorney's in child custody issues will throw everything, including the kitchen sink at the custodial parent....Disputes over custody can get so ugly..imo

[Motomom]

i'm watching NG again and Crystal said in the four years she was with Ronald she never saw ANY abuse.



ohhhhh she's a kind hearted person and she let Ronald have the children. Ok i'm going to be sick.


How does a woman say she was forced to take drugs, was abused and then say but i'm kind hearted and gave my abuser the children??

Don't forget within that same conversation, she had no knowledge of the abuse, yet was beaten "daily". Also, even though she had NO KNOWLEDGE of this abuse, she has pictures from "over the yrs" depicting beaten children. She called dyfs on many occasions..yet dyfs left the children with Ron. It doesn't make sense IMO

NO way would I leave my children with a man who beat me.. no way would I move 1.5 hours away from my children, who I left with the man who beat me "daily" . What kind of person would I be to do such a thing?

Why doesn't Ron have a lawyer yet for this custody case? He should get one IMO

[sydney]

All clear, Sydney. lol. Put your head back up. I agree... I did not hear anything about a plea for Haleigh in there. The only time it was mentioned was when the attorney said she didn't understand why they were talking about Crystal's false allegation when there is a child missing. That infuriated me. To use a child's disappearance only as a shield to not answer questions...distasteful.
The rest of the time...not one word.

JMO

tyvm for the nice words.

i agree with you, and i did not hear from the attorney that crystal's main focus was finding haleigh because obviously it's NOT.

[crymeariver2006]

Hi bookie.. I agree with you. I'm not so sure why some people want so bad for Crystal to get custody that they seem to hope these allegations are true.. because if they are true, that means that Haleigh and Junior have possibly suffered for these last few yrs. I dont' want to know or even think that they have suffered at the hands of their father. I hope these allegations are not proven and if that happens.. I hope they get a lawyer after Crystal for false accusations. We know two judges saw right through her.

Nobody here hopes that the allegations of abuse are true.

In this case, it appears "abuse" is in the eye of the beholder.

Crystal may believe that hitting children with sticks constitutes abuse (as do I), but DCF apparently doesn't think that rises to the level of "abuse".

I personally believe that using weapons on children is abuse. But what I believe doesn't matter. If it's not against DCF rules in Florida, they're not going to call it abuse and it's unlikely that a judge will call it that either.

JMO

[teresa]

Yes, you are reading it correctly, and if you watch the video to the right of the article you can also hear what Chelsea has to say about the van and call she recieved from Misty regarding the scratches.

Well, that is debatable. If your read the whole article, she refers to it as hers and it was at her house (whichever sister lives nearby). I think if the van actually belonged to Misty, we would have known that long ago. I'm not saying Misty didn't ever drive it, because I don't know, but I don't think it belongs to her.

I hope the reporter gets enough questions to clear this up.

[Mimi428]

Yeppers, I can see that. So going along with that, if Ron was that way with Crystal, wonder why her family didn't step it up on Ron???
jmo

Good question. Who knows? Maybe they did, in their own way. Could be that while Crystal was enamored of Ron she did not want to hear a thing in the world against him - that would be fairly typical of a whole lot of people "in love".

IF (& we don't know for certain) some of the comments posted on the news websites in the general area are correct, Ron sought custody in the first place because he believed it was a way to control Crystal - if he had the kids, he would also have a better chance of having her. That scenario really is not that uncommon, IMO. I wish I did not know of other cases where fathers sought custody, not out of all the love in their hearts for their children - but as a way to punish & control the mother of the children. But I do know of other cases like that. And yes, I also know of cases where the mother's motivations & actions were less than admirable.

There are all sorts of dynamics that may have come into play that we just cannot know about at this juncture (& may never know).

JMO

[IlliniFan]

Well, that is debatable. If your read the whole article, she refers to it as hers and it was at her house (whichever sister lives nearby). I think if the van actually belonged to Misty, we would have known that long ago. I'm not saying Misty didn't ever drive it, because I don't know, but I don't think it belongs to her.

I hope the reporter gets enough questions to clear this up.

I checked a thread on WS's discussing the article/van. They are as confused as we are.....It really is a shame because it's something we could talk about, but it's about as clear as mud to me...imo

[Riverwalk!]

Why? How can you even ask that question? I apologize for sounding rude, but how cruel can you be? If not Now, When would be a good time to protect the little boy?

She has the right to do whatever she wants, but my "beef" with her is her publicly bashing the father of her children in every media she can find. Parents should never, ever do that, imo and coincides with the laws of the State of Florida:

"r) The capacity and disposition of each parent to protect the child from the ongoing litigation as demonstrated by not discussing the litigation with the child, not sharing documents or electronic media related to the litigation with the child, and refraining from disparaging comments about the other parent to the child."

[IlliniFan]

I don't think Mark meant keep private by keeping it to themselves. I think he meant to follow the proper procedure and keep it off national TV. I agree. This is taking the focus away from the fact that she is missing...

That's actually what I meant. That the families shouldn't be airing it on TV......

Private as between them and not on National TV..let the courts or those responsible for abuse allegations handle it..

sorry if that was confusing

[sydney]

i posted this before but didn't see any responses (i'm at work and can only stealth post during lunch which is now) and would really like some other opinions.....

did anyone else find it odd that crystal took pictures of the children's bruises when they came to see her? i mean, kids that age are always falling down or doing something to get bumps and bruises. and as far as the facial injuries to haleigh, i thought it was confirmed that those occured as a result of a fall at school....i also didn't hear her say that the KIDS told her anything happened - as in "what's that mark" - "oh, daddy spanked me..."

seems to me that she has been trying to set up ron for a number of years.

i hope the allegations are untrue. on the other hand, if they are proven to be true, i hope appropriate action is taken..

as far as crystal being the "better parent" - in illinois, BOTH parents have an obligation to support their child. crystal is not working so how would she support those children? in illinois (i know, it's not florida law so maybe someone can help me), STEP parents are under NO obligation to support step children. oh, but that's right - crystal isn't married yet either, huh?

see what i mean.

(ducking again)

[Motomom]

I couldn't agree more that CS needs to be thoroughly checked out too. My concern is for the kids, not either parent.

So, no, the shoe doesn't fit and we probably are looking at it differently because I don't recall getting the impression that anyone here wants these allegations to be true just so CS can get custody.

But yet lots of folks here want CS to get Junior right? That's what I"ve been reading for days. So why would anyone want her to get custody at this point, if he did not harm these children? Maybe that's what I'm not following.

See, I don't think it's healthy for Junior to be ripped from his father, and get sent to his mother. UNLESS what they say is true. If it is not true, I see no reason to take him from Ron, and I see this as just an opportunity for Crystal.

[FrankieBones1]

Frankie, I have seen posts that said Crystal has known him since she was 14...maybe that is what she meant by "little girl'...But then what was she doing with him at 14?
The lawyer should have said as much...Young teen.
Not a 'very little girl'. She really embellished. A very little girl to me would be a baby up until Grade One.

[Mimi428]

Four or so years ago????

Hey, you cough up the time machine & we can all go back & have a do-over. When can we expect you to have it ready?

Until we can time travel & go back & unring those bells, what do you suggest can be done TODAY?

Sorry, but I think it is disingenous & does nothing for the discussion to look at anyone's life in review & say, "well they SHOULD have done this. Or that. Or some other thing".

JMO

[5boxersmom]

I wonder if Crystal ever took any pictures of her beatings by Ron? If not wonder why?

[FrankieBones1]

i posted this before but didn't see any responses (i'm at work and can only stealth post during lunch which is now) and would really like some other opinions.....((snipped for length as per Coldwater's instructions for quoting long posts))
(ducking again)

Good post, Sydney.

[Motomom]

I don't think Mark meant keep private by keeping it to themselves. I think he meant to follow the proper procedure and keep it off national TV. I agree. This is taking the focus away from the fact that she is missing...

Yes.. of course I think the media would have found out about Crystal filing for custody anyway, but the bashing started with her and her mother on national tv. That should never have taken place. yet I recall a picture of Ron kneeling down on the ground and crystal right beside him with her hand on his back or something, in the very beggining. Was it someone else, I coudl be remembering incorrectly. She's so fearful of him, yet at his most vunerable time, where I would think an abusive person could easily snap, she's right beside him. I believe her mother is behind most of this.

[crymeariver2006]

She has the right to do whatever she wants, but my "beef" with her is her publicly bashing the father of her children in every media she can find. Parents should never, ever do that, imo and coincides with the laws of the State of Florida:

"r) The capacity and disposition of each parent to protect the child from the ongoing litigation as demonstrated by not discussing the litigation with the child, not sharing documents or electronic media related to the litigation with the child, and refraining from disparaging comments about the other parent to the child."

I don't think either one of them adhered to this.

Is there a section in there about interfering with the natural affection between parent and child (as in Misty saying the children called her "mommy" and that the children thought more of her than their own mother)?

[crymeariver2006]

Yes.. of course I think the media would have found out about Crystal filing for custody anyway, but the bashing started with her and her mother on national tv. That should never have taken place. yet I recall a picture of Ron kneeling down on the ground and crystal right beside him with her hand on his back or something, in the very beggining. Was it someone else, I coudl be remembering incorrectly. She's so fearful of him, yet at his most vunerable time, where I would think an abusive person could easily snap, she's right beside him. I believe her mother is behind most of this.


That was Teresa in the video, not Crystal. As I recall. It's the one where he's wearing the striped shirt?

The only time I recall Crystal and Ron displaying any sort of affection toward each other was at one of the vigils. And then of course, Misty was right there in the middle.

JMO

[Nicola]

Well, that is debatable. If your read the whole article, she refers to it as hers and it was at her house (whichever sister lives nearby). I think if the van actually belonged to Misty, we would have known that long ago. I'm not saying Misty didn't ever drive it, because I don't know, but I don't think it belongs to her.

I hope the reporter gets enough questions to clear this up.

What is debatable? I haven't got a clue who the van belongs to but according to Chelsea it was/is Mistys, thats what she says in the video.
MOO

[crymeariver2006]

No way I would have children with a man who beat me once, let alone daily. And why didn't she leave or call the police BEFORE she created kids with him? My guess is because it didn't happen. Some guys beats you and you think "hey, I think I'll procreate with him so he can beat them too"? She digs her hole deeper every time her mouth opens.


Can somebody please post a link where Crystal is saying that Ron beat her or the children "daily".

TIA

[Motomom]

That was Teresa in the video, not Crystal. As I recall. It's the one where he's wearing the striped shirt?

The only time I recall Crystal and Ron displaying any sort of affection toward each other was at one of the vigils. And then of course, Misty was right there in the middle.

JMO

It wasnt' a video, it was a picture (possibly from a video though) Yes he is wearing a striped shirt so it was that same day. I can see it in my head, I just can't remember if it was crystal. There were two people around him. Maybe one was misty an the other his mother, but I still keep thinking it was crystal and you know it's gonna bug the heck out of me until I find the link. I dont' have time to look right now but I will look later on tonight for it, cause I have slacked off so much with work and this house because of this case..

eta.. it isn't the one of him and his mother kneeling down in front of the car. I'm searchin images now

[CANDYKISSES]

Credibility issues with her lawyer as well.

She mentions what Ron had done and given to Crystal since she was a "Very little girl".

I doubt Ron knew her back then.

Frankie, I just watched that part again, and if you get a chance look at it on HLN. You will see Crystal look down as KP puts that one out there....JMO, but it is sheer BS from what I've seen. She liked and likes to party as much as anyone else in this tragedy.

I don't know if it's an easier pill to swallow when you see the mother as is, or if you see the mother go from one thing to another regarding the care of children. We've seen it both ways lately, and it's still a stinking rotten shame either way IMO.

The idea that women are these fragile beings is very old and tiresome for me when you see the opposite up close under the microscope IMO. I'm going with "THE APPLE DOESN'T FALL FAR FROM THE TREE" regarding Crystal at this point in time. JMO tho.

[Motomom]

Can somebody please post a link where Crystal is saying that Ron beat her or the children "daily".

TIA

NG last night, the lawyer said IIRC that he beat crystal "daily". Not the children.

[Motomom]

Here's the pic I was thinking of.. hope the link works


http://images.townnews.com/theoaklandpress.com/content/articles/2009/02/12/news/doc49942da2988145127820931.jpg

[teresa]

tyvm for the nice words.

i agree with you, and i did not hear from the attorney that crystal's main focus was finding haleigh because obviously it's NOT.

That was very obvious from the original HaleighBug website. Hardly any mention of Haleigh...all about Crystal. Whoever set that up (the lawyer and her husband) has terrible judgment. I guess they figured that out since they took it down.

[CANDYKISSES]

no Crystal doesn't work...

and yes Ronald works and pays all his and his childrens bills.

We are being told Crystal doesn't work. However, I have been challenged ever since finding her reference to watching her last child Chloe and the brats. There are some here who felt she babysits for other children she might refer to as brats.

So, it could be she has been stashing money on the side babysitting or she refers to her OTHER TWO children as BRATS IMO. :confused:

[5boxersmom]

It wasnt' a video, it was a picture (possibly from a video though) Yes he is wearing a striped shirt so it was that same day. I can see it in my head, I just can't remember if it was crystal. There were two people around him. Maybe one was misty an the other his mother, but I still keep thinking it was crystal and you know it's gonna bug the heck out of me until I find the link. I dont' have time to look right now but I will look later on tonight for it, cause I have slacked off so much with work and this house because of this case..

eta.. it isn't the one of him and his mother kneeling down in front of the car. I'm searchin images now

This one?

http://images.townnews.com/theoaklandpress.com/content/articles/2009/02/12/news/doc49942da2988145127820931.jpg

[crymeariver2006]

yeah because if Crystal was a " very little girl" then Ronald was a very little boy since he's ONLY two years older then Crystal.

And the same can be said for Joe the Cousin and Misty and his "messing with her when she was a child".

Joe the Cousin is only two years older than Misty.

[Owlface]

she moved 2 hours away...no drivers license and knew her children were being beat "daily"....I'm sorry i do NOT believe a word this woman says anymore.


She never said that the children were beaten daily. She said that Ron never hurt the children while they were together and that he never cared for the children while they were together. She said she allowed him to have custody because she knew he loved them.

[crymeariver2006]

This one?

http://images.townnews.com/theoaklandpress.com/content/articles/2009/02/12/news/doc49942da2988145127820931.jpg

Thank you!

I had never seen that pic before.

[CANDYKISSES]

That was very obvious from the original HaleighBug website. Hardly any mention of Haleigh...all about Crystal. Whoever set that up (the lawyer and her husband) has terrible judgment. I guess they figured that out since they took it down.

Teresa, don't throw Jeremiah Regan, aka former EVENT PLANNER.....:scared:out with the bath water on that one. I think his hand is in that endeavor too.

I found the site as it appeared to be nothing short of appalling. It appeared to be disguised as the appeal for donations of furniture, plus for clothing for Chloe and Junior and went out using poor Haleigh's back for the ride. :crying:

That might have been a barf toss for Nancy too if she was aware of the new up and coming purple pad named for Haleigh. I am very sorry, but I see an opportunistic bunch in high gear to establish a way to stay FREE and eventually work this into a joint venture as it was worded yesterday and it is outrageous IMO.

[teresa]

I checked a thread on WS's discussing the article/van. They are as confused as we are.....It really is a shame because it's something we could talk about, but it's about as clear as mud to me...imo

I know Illini. I went to bed thinking for sure Misty did something to Haleigh but now I don't know. Did she have access to the van? If the van is critical to the investigation, they would never have released it and that makes me think they found nothing. I'm really getting more confused by the day and I think the media is contributing a great deal of the confusion.

It also makes me wonder if LE monitors all the media and that also contributes to their confusion about the inconsistencies when some of it is just poor reporting. Plus Misty answers differently and adds to her story depending on how the question is phrased.

[Mimi428]

And some pretend abuse when none existed.

OK, how about a comparison?

In 100 alleged cases of abuse, what percentage would you think are false claims? Claims that the abuse happened, but none existed?

In 100 alleged cases of abuse, what percentage of the perpetrators do you think would deny it, even if it was true?

I don't know what you have seen or done in your life, but from what I have seen & done in my life, I would say that it is pretty rare for an abuser to own up to their abusive actions. False claims do exist, of course. But they are miniscule in comparison to the real claims, which are invariably denied by the perp.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Here's the pic I was thinking of.. hope the link works


http://images.townnews.com/theoaklandpress.com/content/articles/2009/02/12/news/doc49942da2988145127820931.jpg

You done good!

Never saw that pic before, thanks!

[Motomom]

There are court documents showing she has fought, and who knows what else she has tried to do to protect her children? Why aren't we supporting the effort to protect children? I am at a loss, as it seems most posters here are women.

There would be court records if she was fighting for the children IMO.

BUt you know what they say, women can be hardest on their own kind.I know I can be. I think it's because I have a son and two girls and I see both sides and I fear for my son, because alot of people automatically jump to a girls/womans defense. I don't. But thats where I'm coming from, my opinion that is.

[Motomom]

You done good!

Never saw that pic before, thanks!

No problem Cry.. I can picture it and it was much easier googleing images then had I attempted to go through the news pages..

Also, the transcript from last night.. I like to own up to my own mistakes.. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html She said regularly in regards to crystals abuse, in the transcript. I have used the word daily, because I SWEAR thats what I heard last night.. but in the transcripts it says regularly..not sure what regularly is though.

[5boxersmom]

Thank you!

I had never seen that pic before.

Have you saw this one?

http://s2.excoboard.com/forums/15776/user/333945/475608.jpg

[teresa]

She has the right to do whatever she wants, but my "beef" with her is her publicly bashing the father of her children in every media she can find. Parents should never, ever do that, imo and coincides with the laws of the State of Florida:

"r) The capacity and disposition of each parent to protect the child from the ongoing litigation as demonstrated by not discussing the litigation with the child, not sharing documents or electronic media related to the litigation with the child, and refraining from disparaging comments about the other parent to the child."

Reading that makes me think the lawyer has spent most of her time on big divorces rather than this type of case. When we needed a custody lawyer for a relative, we called all the most well known "family law" practices and many of them would not take a contentious custody case. They just want the divorce and and the routine custody cases with child support and visitation schedule issues. Not these kind of cases.

This lawyer said on TV yesterday that Ron beat Jr to a "bloody pulp". That doesn't seem to follow that law you posted at all.

[crymeariver2006]

Have you saw this one?

http://s2.excoboard.com/forums/15776/user/333945/475608.jpg

Yes, I had seen that one. Isn't that Misty's mother on one side?

[Motomom]

Have you saw this one?

http://s2.excoboard.com/forums/15776/user/333945/475608.jpg

wow.. good catch there. Notice his head is not tilted toward Misty..but rather Crystal?? Interesting. Makes me believe more and more that marie is behind these allegations. Also something that I was going to mention last night but I didnt' because i dont' typically like to read more than there is into something. When the lawyer was going on and on about the abuse, Crystal looked ashamed to me.. not ashamed she as abused, ashamed that they were claiming this. I could be reading too much into this though. also.. her shaking.. that was a sign of anger IMO and not being able to keep yourself under control. You see it all the time on Judge judy :).. she was angered over NG is my take.. and I guess rightfully so. I'd have been mad too had I been Crystal and my actions were being called to the table.

Now can i ask.. anyone know if LE has taken Misty back in to be questioned since she got back?

[teresa]

Well my point was I said I heard the information weeks ago (press conferences), so someone posts me news from yesterday. Why in the heck would I say I heard/saw it on tv it I haden't? sheesh! I even stated I wasn't asking anyone to bleieve me!

I think Misty's Tennessee cousin has been ruled out for the most part. I also believe Ron was in an agitated state from the fight and that his Mother was truthful in knowing there was a bad fight with the cousin the night before Haleigh disappeared. I believe she watered down her statements to coincide with her son. And I'm very curious as to WHY their stories conflicted one another's.

I think it's more that LE hasen't ruled out either Misty or Ron and that they're generally saying no one has been ruled out. They've made that statement quite a few times since the sheriff's Captain Dick Schauland said Misty's cousin had been interviewed by FBI and ruled out. I didn't think they suspected the cousin, but from the van story today I'm wondering what that's all about. Especially coupled with Ron's Mother talking about the fight the night before Haleigh disappeared.

I thought the fight/argument was two weeks before? Where do you see the night before?

[nanieliz]

All I'm going to write here is just me thinking out loud. I have no links,proof or knowledge per say.

Some one saying Misty was gone over the weekend partying. Ron had to go get her and drag her back home. Rumors of drug usuage by Ron and Misty. Maybe just pot.
Misty being sooo young.
Rumors cousin joe was around.
Rumors gun went missing.
Rumors Ron and Cousin fought/argrued.
Gun found in ditch.
Van moves during the nite that Haleigh goes missing.
Scratch on side of van.
Misty's Blanket needed washing because it had been in van.
Haleights blanket washed because of pee smell.
Misty was extra tired because of weekend.
Door left unlocked(because L.E. say's not broken into.
Someone knew door unlocked.
Door propped open so it wouldn't slam/or make noise opening.
Neighbor thinks they heard screaming about 2-2:30
Dogs hit on scent go to water. Come back. Ron say's Haleigh never taken to water.
Misty say's she took Haleigh to water"one day"
Days/weeks later human remains dogs hit beside garbage bin.
Misty's story problem with L.E.

Now my "storyline"
What if....Misty took off partying with "family" over weekend. Ron finds out where she is and goes to get her. On Monday Ron gets Haleigh off the bus after school and before he goes to work. He has ONLY been working this nite shift 3 weeks.
He"checks back door lock"maybe before leaving for work. Leaves kids with a tired Misty. A.C. man comes to check A.C.
Brother comes with his 2 boys. Maybe relative was with him. Maybe he brought Mistys blanket that she "left"in Van. He leaves and Ron's grandmother stops to drop off clean clothes.
Kids are eatting supper.
We never heard if kids had a bath?
Kids are put down to watch movies about 8.
Misty puts Haleighs blanket in washer. Maybe she opened the back door to take out garbage or maybe relative had unlocked door and she didn't notice.
Haleighs blanket goes in dryer,Misty puts hers in the washer.
Haleighs blankie is done,Misty covers her. Misty puts her blanket in dryer. What does she do during this time???
Misty makes her own bed and and gets in. Jr. comes and gets in bed with her sometime.
May be why he's awake when Man takes Haleigh.
Man takes Haleigh out door and this may have been the scream neighbor hears.
Man kills Haleigh.(I hate to write that)
He puts her beside garbage dumpster and goes to Misty's brothers house and gets van or already had hid somewhere.
Brings van to garbage dumpster and loads Haleigh into it.
Goes to get rid of body.
Puts van back but not exactly as it was.
Misty discoveres Haleigh is gone and thus starts the phone calls. Misty tries calling Ron. He's almost in the driveway when his phone rings and doesn't answer because he's pulling in.
He see's Misty standing in doorway and wonders why she's up at this time? He say's thats not normal.
Call 911 and then call,her mother,her SIL.

Almost all of this I have read here and there and pieced together. After thinking,probing,discussing here,reading there...this is the way I think this could have happened.

I don't think Ron hurt Haleigh. I do think(J.M.O.) that Ron is a verbally abusive little punk. Cock sure of himself. He and Crystal were young,dating and she found herself pregnant. Neither of these kids came from clean backgrounds. Ron's family and Crystals have their problems. Both seem to have been involved with drugs. I think as a young couple Crystal and Ron used drugs. Crystal admits to this but Ron denies. There is paper proof he has been arrested for assortted drug charges.
Crystal was 14 when she met Ron,17 when she had Haleigh,18 when she had Jr. During their time together she says he was abusive to her,not the kids. Crystal looks and acts the part of someone who's been abused. Scared to stay,scared to leave. She said:she would leave and end up coming back. When Haleigh was 2 Ron got her for Christmas and refused to give her back. Crystal went back to him to be with the kids. She had neither the power or money to fight him.
Finally to save herself she left.
She had no car,no D.L.,no education,no job. Somewhere during these times they went to court and Ron was awarded custody,she had visitation. She said:She worked but if she had to work on her weekend to have the kids,Ron wouldn't let her have them. She was not allowed to leave the kids with her mother or anyone else. She quit her job to be able to see kids. No job,can't pay child support.
Only his mom or grandmother was suppose to be keeping kids while HE worked. He has history of dating teenagers...words out of his own mouth.
Crystal,not married has child by step brother. While not the best thing...they are not blood related. So not like incest or anything.
Supposely the father to the baby is still married and has problem past too!

Why,why,why does Ron marry Misty at this time??? I think(JMO),he knew he was being looked at badly because Misty was underage. With Haleigh missing...L.E. was in his face,the news channels were in his bussiness,DFAC's would hear all of the facts.

I think for as many problems as ALL Of The Families have...they still loved this little girl and Jr.
Crystal didn't start out bashing Ron. She said he was a good dad,that he loved Haleigh. The kids had said they liked Misty.

after family and friends in Ron's area talked to Crystal did she really start talking about the different types of abuse.

She hasn't said"I think Ron did something to Haleigh!"

She said she hoped Misty hadn't done anything bad to her either.
Crystal and Ron want their Haleigh bug home,safe.
Crystal is being hung out to dry because she is now attemptingto stand up to Ron. She wants Jr. with her and if Haleigh comes home...she wants her. Finally someone is willing to help her,to help her be strong,help her face up to her past and to Ron.

Misty can say the kids wantted her to be their mom to hell freezes over...she isn't their mom.

I think Nancy Grace who I love has done a crappy job on this case. She went easy on Ron and abused Crystal. JMO!
When a woman has been abused you can reconize it. She has no self,she's cowed down. She wantted to answer Nancy last nite...Nancy didn't actually give her the chance. She said she would but then breezed right over her to someone else.

Ok,I know I wrote a book but I just had to get this off my chest! All of this is JMO,agree or disagree doesn't matter. Like everyone here I have the right to state MOO.

Thank You for allowing me this right!
NanieLiz

[CANDYKISSES]

This one?

http://images.townnews.com/theoaklandpress.com/content/articles/2009/02/12/news/doc49942da2988145127820931.jpg

Was Crystal the author of "Everyone knows Haleigh is Ron's heart" ?

Okay, I had to go look for myself and I offer the following quotes as evidence of the absurdity we are seeing in her allegations....

This is from the Geraldo interview.



RIVERA: Do you believe his story about what happened?

SHEFFIELD: No, I don’t. I mean I know he loves Haleigh and — [PAUSES] — his temper, I mean it could get bad enough for him to hurt Haleigh. But I do know he loves Haleigh. Haleigh is his heart and everybody knows that.



RIVERA: Are you fr— frightened that he’ll come after you?

SHEFFIELD: Sometimes I am. I mean he’s called and wanted me to come back several times and I have went back a couple times just to be with my kid and he was still the same and I left. It hurt to leave em but I’m not gonna put myself through that. :thumbdown:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498154,00.html

THAT REFERENCE TO HER KID is just one more reason I find her to be disingenuous regarding the Cummings children, but not so much with Chad's baby IMO.

[sydney]

IIRC, I think she stated she had called DCF numerous times on Ron and they have always dismissed her claims as unfounded, so maybe the pictures she has were stemming from those calls that were dismissed??

JMO

could be but, what was there to stop her from making a police report and having them investigate? the allegations i heard her attorney make sounded very serious - being beaten "bloody", that kind of thing.

and again, the attorney said she talked to neighbors and heard about all kinds of allegations of abuse. i can't imagine an abuser taking a child outside and beating the holy h*ll out of them with potential witnesses all around when the privacy of the home was available although i'll admit i could be wrong.

but the question still remains - were these same people not asked if they had any knowledge of haleigh's potential whereabouts? that, to me, would be more in line with finding crystal's child instead of taking this opportunity to flog ron in the media.

and, if what the attorney said was true about dcf dismissing the charges, what is to stop the attorney from filing an emergency motion to remove jr if they have all this "proof" of abuse?

i am SO confused....

[crymeariver2006]

Do you believe this?

PICAZIO: We have, again, gone to DCF and given the specific incidents of abuse. It would be hitting, hitting in the face until bloody, hitting with sticks, hitting with belts. I could go on and on -- throwing down stairs, living in tents.

That's the thing, I don't see the word "daily" in there.

She was, however, saying that these incidents had been reported to DCF.

Someone posted the FL statute about what constitutes child abuse. Apparently using weapons (sticks and belts) doesn't constitute abuse.

Unless you kill a child. Anything up to that point appears to be quite acceptable.

Not to me though.

And apparently not to Crystal nor her Attorney.

:shrug:

[teresa]

That was Teresa in the video, not Crystal. As I recall. It's the one where he's wearing the striped shirt?

The only time I recall Crystal and Ron displaying any sort of affection toward each other was at one of the vigils. And then of course, Misty was right there in the middle.

JMO

Nope, it's Crystal kneeling down and rubbng his back. Sorry if already answered. I think it is a picture on Fox (the national one).

ETA: sorry cry for repeating what was already posted.

[sickntired]

Works for me. Why are all these chicks just lying on Ron? He is a drug abuser, are there any links to where it proves he went to rehab and goes to AA, he does not look healthy, the sad fact is Crystal never should have gotten involved with Ron, and she has every right to put her life together and get away from Ron, she may not have saved Haleigh, but she can jr.

jmo

Why is it that everyone who is so down on Crystal, give her grief for worrying about Ron Jr. at this time and how she never wanted custody before and she never did anything, and so on....when she's doing that now, when something terrible has happened. She is getting a lawyer, reporting what she knows, showing concern. Your giving her grief for not showing interest in her children and your giving her grief for showing interest in her children. :shrug:

Don't get me wrong.....I'm not saying that either one of these people should be reproducing....I don't know...but why is she being condemned for showing concern now that something terrible has happened. Maybe she feels guilty for not pursuing it harder from the beginning and she'll be darned if it's going to happen to another one of her kids? It's a thought.

Am I missing something, is Ron some kind of greek god/god like person (barf) because the people who are pro-Ron really go way and above the call of duty defending him. I don't see any overly zealous Crystal lovers but people who do have an open mind about her side of the story.


JMO

WWKLS

[CANDYKISSES]

yeah because if Crystal was a " very little girl" then Ronald was a very little boy since he's ONLY two years older then Crystal.

Yup and here's another look into that window of the little girl....FWIW

RIVERA: Describe when he punched you when you were pregnant.

SHEFFIELD: We were living in Leesburg at his mother’s house. And I had just found out I was pregnant. We were both doing cocaine and I stopped and I walked in the bedroom and he was doing it.

And I was like, you know, how are you gone do this in front of me after I just found out I was pregnant and I just stopped? And he got very pissed off and I had my — I was facing — I had my back turned to him. He punched me in the head and then I turned around and he kicked me off the bed.

Not knowing if this allegation was PRE-FALSE REPORTING OF A FELONY or not, I'm unsure of how much credence to put into it.

But if TRUE, HE IS/WAS an ABUSIVE MONSTER and she WAS A REAL PIECE OF WORK HERSELF....again no worry expressed for the child, rather that she wouldn't get to do it anymore.

I stand by the thought that neither one of them deserves the children IMO. :unsure: JMO

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,498154,00.html

[teresa]

What is debatable? I haven't got a clue who the van belongs to but according to Chelsea it was/is Mistys, thats what she says in the video.
MOO

Read the article with the video. At the beginning for sure and maybe at the end, she refers to it as hers, doesn't she?

[jewel6]

We are being told Crystal doesn't work. However, I have been challenged ever since finding her reference to watching her last child Chloe and the brats. There are some here who felt she babysits for other children she might refer to as brats.

So, it could be she has been stashing money on the side babysitting or she refers to her OTHER TWO children as BRATS IMO. :confused:


Didnt crystal obtain a mortgage on her own? It was in a interview somewhere! Shes not working now! Im confused.JMO

[sydney]

before i have to go back to work, i would just like to say that i do not believe that NOW is the time for all of these custody issues and allegations to be made public. as mark klaas said, keep it PRIVATE - don't use the media to try and garner sympathy for your cause. as i've said before, once this child is found HAVE AT IT - i don't care what happens to the parents.

leaving now. hope to talk to you some more tonight - praying there will be a break in this case and haleigh is found.

[Motomom]

That's the thing, I don't see the word "daily" in there.

She was, however, saying that these incidents had been reported to DCF.

Someone posted the FL statute about what constitutes child abuse. Apparently using weapons (sticks and belts) doesn't constitute abuse.

Unless you kill a child. Anything up to that point appears to be quite acceptable.

Not to me though.

And apparently not to Crystal nor her Attorney.

:shrug:


I posted the link transcript up in my other post. I SWEAR I heard daily last night. In the transcript though, it says "regularly"...now I dont' know what consitutes regularly. Cause I pick my kids up from school regularly..which is daily..minuse sat and sun..so I guess she left that up to uhh interpretation..

[crymeariver2006]

daily was about crystal....she said ronald beat her daily and yet she was kind hearted and let the children go live with him....why would she do that?

why didn't she ever go back to court?

you and i both know she could have got legal aid.

She said he wanted to pick the children up after she had left him (and took the children with her) so she let him. He never returned the children and instead started legal proceedings for custody.

Ask any 18 or 19 year old what they know about Legal Aid. They'll probably look at your like this: :shrug:

The only thing most of these people know about attorneys is when they're arrested and told "if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you".

JMO

[Motomom]

i do not believe Ronald abused his children or Crystal............

the school has already said the bruised eyes and nose happen at school. two Judges thought Ronald was a better parent and so do i...

I do too. Oh Art harris was suppose to have the abuse pictures up on his site soon. Not sure as I haven't checked. The one of the black eyes will be irrelevant IMO since the school confirmed this (supposedly according to crystals mama)

[jewel6]

Why is it that everyone who is so down on Crystal, give her grief for worrying about Ron Jr. at this time and how she never wanted custody before and she never did anything, and so on....when she's doing that now, when something terrible has happened. She is getting a lawyer, reporting what she knows, showing concern. Your giving her grief for not showing interest in her children and your giving her grief for showing interest in her children. :shrug:

Don't get me wrong.....I'm not saying that either one of these people should be reproducing....I don't know...but why is she being condemned for showing concern now that something terrible has happened. Maybe she feels guilty for not pursuing it harder from the beginning and she'll be darned if it's going to happen to another one of her kids? It's a thought.

Am I missing something, is Ron some kind of greek god/god like person (barf) because the people who are pro-Ron really go way and above the call of duty defending him. I don't see any overly zealous Crystal lovers but people who do have an open mind about her side of the story.


JMO

WWKLS

My opinion is that she didnt worry before and now all the sudden shes worrying. but thats just my opinion. If i knew i was beat all the time i would have removed my kids physically and if it meant going to jail so be it. jmo in my own opinion she didnt give two hoots because she now has another family. jmo Now everyone fire away! :scared:

[DenVIP]

can someone tell me who has the longer criminal record Ron or Crystal?

[Babes]

before i have to go back to work, i would just like to say that i do not believe that NOW is the time for all of these custody issues and allegations to be made public. as mark klaas said, keep it PRIVATE - don't use the media to try and garner sympathy for your cause. as i've said before, once this child is found HAVE AT IT - i don't care what happens to the parents.

leaving now. hope to talk to you some more tonight - praying there will be a break in this case and haleigh is found.


There is money involved now. There is donations - the one who looks good in the eyes of the people will get more donations IMO.

[Motomom]

Unless of course that picture is in regards to the backhanding (that another relative had apparently eye witnessed) which caused Haliegh to fall down face first?
Also we have no idea what any of the witnesses who have since come forward have stated they had seen in regards to the treatment of those kids either.
JMO

I can't figure out how one can get backhanded in the face.. only to fall down face first.

[bama__angel]

Why is it that everyone who is so down on Crystal, give her grief for worrying about Ron Jr. at this time and how she never wanted custody before and she never did anything, and so on....when she's doing that now, when something terrible has happened. She is getting a lawyer, reporting what she knows, showing concern. Your giving her grief for not showing interest in her children and your giving her grief for showing interest in her children. :shrug:

Don't get me wrong.....I'm not saying that either one of these people should be reproducing....I don't know...but why is she being condemned for showing concern now that something terrible has happened. Maybe she feels guilty for not pursuing it harder from the beginning and she'll be darned if it's going to happen to another one of her kids? It's a thought.

Am I missing something, is Ron some kind of greek god/god like person (barf) because the people who are pro-Ron really go way and above the call of duty defending him. I don't see any overly zealous Crystal lovers but people who do have an open mind about her side of the story.


JMO

WWKLS




I could see this scenario........If Crystal truly believed that Ron was abusing and hurting her children, all the really bad chit she claims..If I were her, I would do one of 2 things...Possibly in a moment of pure blind rage to protect my kids, I would kill Ron...or I would arrange for someone to get my kids away from Ron, hide them until I could prove how abusive he was......Maybe Crystal did this and for some reason this person could only get Haleigh and not Jr.....I mean its been done before....hiding kids away......

[DenVIP]

There is money involved now. There is donations - the one who looks good in the eyes of the people will get more donations IMO.

I thought custody is the issue for the remaining childs welfare.....near as I can tell Crystal hasn't misplace a child like misty or ron....IMO

[jewel6]

I could see this scenario........If Crystal truly believed that Ron was abusing and hurting her children, all the really bad chit she claims..If I were her, I would do one of 2 things...Possibly in a moment of pure blind rage to protect my kids, I would kill Ron...or I would arrange for someone to get my kids away from Ron, hide them until I could prove how abusive he was......Maybe Crystal did this and for some reason this person could only get Haleigh and not Jr.....I mean its been done before....hiding kids away......

I thought this too and more power to her if abuse is going on but nobody took JR! jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Anyone's focus.

LE should be worried about finding Haleigh. They shouldn't have to deal with the tips they are going to get from crackpots because of Crystal's claims.

The public is going to be put off with all of the garbage Crystal is slinging and will tune this story out. People will start to forget Haleigh and if she is out there alive somewhere she could be overlooked.

Just like the public was put off about the tattoo news.

And then there's that quickie wedding where they wouldn't even wait the two weeks required for pre-marital counseling so they could be married at the church.

Lots of stuff in this case is a real turn-off to the public.

Not just Crystal.

But, like other missing children, the media packs up and leaves if there's nothing to report. In this case, it may be mudslinging and tattoos, but it keeps Haleigh's case, picture, and description in the news.

JMO

[DenVIP]

Ronald...........

I ask with a little sarcastically because it seem the person with the longer record is getting a free ride when it comes to custody..

[CANDYKISSES]

That should be amended to include: "or exploiting your child on Geraldo".


I found that act to be despicable and wondered if it was a set-up. Again, I don't buy the idea there is no correlation on outstanding business and the smear campaign launched by Crystal and Marie. They sure lucked out getting KP, but again I am still surprised Wayanna backed gracefully out of the lion's mouth. JMO tho. :cursing:

[Babes]

I thought custody is the issue for the remaining childs welfare.....near as I can tell Crystal hasn't misplace a child like misty or ron....IMO

Custody is the issue? IMO Junior should be given to a 3rd party family - not to Ron and Crystal IMO

[5boxersmom]

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/19/do-exclusive-haleigh-cummings-pix-prove-abuse/#more-1290

[teresa]

Teresa, don't throw Jeremiah Regan, aka former EVENT PLANNER.....:scared:out with the bath water on that one. I think his hand is in that endeavor too.

I found the site as it appeared to be nothing short of appalling. It appeared to be disguised as the appeal for donations of furniture, plus for clothing for Chloe and Junior and went out using poor Haleigh's back for the ride. :crying:

That might have been a barf toss for Nancy too if she was aware of the new up and coming purple pad named for Haleigh. I am very sorry, but I see an opportunistic bunch in high gear to establish a way to stay FREE and eventually work this into a joint venture as it was worded yesterday and it is outrageous IMO.

Don't forget the FOOD for Junior and Chloe to go with the clothes. And also that Crystal can't work now that Haleigh is missing. I understand that, but when was she working before? And does Chad not feed and clothe his own daughter? I read the local press about the site and the comments were very bad toward that site and then ZAP, it's gone and "under construction". America's next Makeover coming right up.

[crymeariver2006]

sorry but i wouldn't have returned my children to her either. then when it come to the court cases the Judge asked her to bring in some of the people to testify and she said NO.......what kind of mother would do that?

IF he took the children (for a visit, vacation, whatever) and didn't return them, how is it a fair assumption that Crystal just ran from Putnam County leaving her children behind?

[jewel6]

Those pictures to me look like she fell! the school has called me before and my child came home with his face all bruised and cut at the play ground. now if he did this arrest him but how many parents have had their children bruised up? JMO I need more proof JMO

[kitty1182]

The pictures are up:
http://www.artharris.com/

Thanks!!!!!!!!! is pic 3-6 Jr?

[jewel6]

Haleigh's Father Hires Lawyer Amid Abuse Allegations
Lawyers Will Coordinate With Police, Media

POSTED: Thursday, March 19, 2009
UPDATED: 1:31 pm EDT March 19, 2009
SATSUMA, Fla. -- The father of a missing Putnam County girl has obtained legal counsel.

According to a news release issued by the personal injury firm, the law office of Kimball & Snider has agreed to represent Ronald Cummings as a pro bono client.

The release refers to Cummings as a victim in need of legal advice.

Cummings' five-year-old daughter, Haleigh, was reported missing from her Satsuma home in February.

Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, recently hired a lawyer as well. Her lawyer has accused Cummings of abusing the couple's son, Ronald Cummings Jr.

Cummings' lawyers will take over responsibility for assisting Cummings with police cooperation, coordinating media attention and handling a potential custody battle with Sheffield.

The news release describes Sheffield's lawyer's abuse allegations as "unsubstantiated" and said that Cummings sees the claims as a "cheap shot and publicity stunt that detracts from the search for Haleigh."

Kimball & Snider will not be representing Cummings' new wife, Misty Croslin.

Well good! about time! JMO

[Babes]

Haleigh's Father Hires Lawyer Amid Abuse Allegations
Lawyers Will Coordinate With Police, Media

POSTED: Thursday, March 19, 2009
UPDATED: 1:31 pm EDT March 19, 2009
SATSUMA, Fla. -- The father of a missing Putnam County girl has obtained legal counsel.

According to a news release issued by the personal injury firm, the law office of Kimball & Snider has agreed to represent Ronald Cummings as a pro bono client.

The release refers to Cummings as a victim in need of legal advice.

Cummings' five-year-old daughter, Haleigh, was reported missing from her Satsuma home in February.

Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, recently hired a lawyer as well. Her lawyer has accused Cummings of abusing the couple's son, Ronald Cummings Jr.

Cummings' lawyers will take over responsibility for assisting Cummings with police cooperation, coordinating media attention and handling a potential custody battle with Sheffield.

The news release describes Sheffield's lawyer's abuse allegations as "unsubstantiated" and said that Cummings sees the claims as a "cheap shot and publicity stunt that detracts from the search for Haleigh."

Kimball & Snider will not be representing Cummings' new wife, Misty Croslin.


Interesting ... he got the lawyer but these lawyer will not be representing his new wife.

[kitty1182]

WOW so Ronald did take Haleigh to the ER........and the school confirmed she did fall down at school.

I must be missing something..lol Where does it say who took her to the ER?:confused:

[DenVIP]

Custody is the issue? IMO Junior should be given to a 3rd party family - not to Ron and Crystal IMO

thats a good answer....but Im betting the grandparents on both sides would draw it out.....its real clear there are part of the problem...

[5boxersmom]

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/19/do-exclusive-haleigh-cummings-pix-prove-abuse/#more-1290

It was Nov. 12 when she says Crystal came by to visit her father, Johnny Sheffield, a former sheriff’s deputy and ex-Marine


Interesting. hmmm

imo

[Motomom]

A hit to the back of the head.

A backhand across the back of the head yes, but that isn't the accusation is it? I would think a backhand to the back of the head would hurt the one doing the backhanding. the head is hard..

[Motomom]

Haleigh's Father Hires Lawyer Amid Abuse Allegations

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18967351/detail.html

Well this is good IMO. I'm glad a lawyer has come fwd for Ron.

[DenVIP]

btw all the legal beagles out there kept saying that these people need lawyers even if there not involved to protect themselves.....so why is it that when Crystal gets one shes a bad person? double standards I think IMO

[Babes]

thats a good answer....but Im betting the grandparents on both sides would draw it out.....its real clear there are part of the problem...

I think it is very clear that both sides of the family have problems that's why i am not siding on any of them. I see that Haleigh and Junior are the victims here and DCF should seek what is best for their interest. Right now , Haleigh is missing and it is important for DCF to protect Junior's rights at all cost. IMO

[Motomom]

Just like the public was put off about the tattoo news.

And then there's that quickie wedding where they wouldn't even wait the two weeks required for pre-marital counseling so they could be married at the church.

Lots of stuff in this case is a real turn-off to the public.

Not just Crystal.

But, like other missing children, the media packs up and leaves if there's nothing to report. In this case, it may be mudslinging and tattoos, but it keeps Haleigh's case, picture, and description in the news.

JMO


What you say is true cry IMO. It does keep haleigh in the news.. at least her picture.

[bama__angel]

who said she ran to leave her children behind?



Another piece of this puzzle that I dont get....Ron Jr. was about 6 mos. old when Crystal let Ron carry him and Haleigh to wherever he went.....I dont know Mexico, Texas...I dont remember...This baby at 6 months should have still been breast feeding and bonding with his mother, needing his mother at that point more than daddy, and she just let him go......I cant figure that one....Sorry... makes no sense. Crystal had the kids at that time.

[kitty1182]

The school’s daily health room activity log, obtained by The Bald Truth, shows that on November 6, at 1:50 p.m, a school nurse noted Haley had cut her nose from a playground fall. A week later, on Nov. 12, just before Crystal picked up the children for that weekend visitation, Ronald brought his daughter to the emergency room at Flagler Hospital in nearby St. Augustine.

about half way down

oh, ok..I thought you saw it on the ER report..


http://www.artharris.com/docs/haleigh-er.pdf

[jewel6]

Good gawd i will fall over if we see ron with his haircut and in a suit tonight on the shows! :scared: jmo I really dont think it will happen, but you all can come and get me if it happens!

[crymeariver2006]

I must be missing something..lol Where does it say who took her to the ER?:confused:

It doesn't.

She was taken to the ER on 11/12. The injury, according to the school, occurred on 11/6 "scratch on nose".

ER says no school on 11/13, 11/14, and 11/15.

She didn't miss school on 11/7 or 11/8? From the same injury?

Who took her to the doctor on 11/6 and where is that record?

[Texas48]

That's the thing, I don't see the word "daily" in there.

She was, however, saying that these incidents had been reported to DCF.

Someone posted the FL statute about what constitutes child abuse. Apparently using weapons (sticks and belts) doesn't constitute abuse.

Unless you kill a child. Anything up to that point appears to be quite acceptable.

Not to me though.

And apparently not to Crystal nor her Attorney.

:shrug:ITA cry...many times it is too "late to save a child" and even sadder is many are still killed AFTER DCF has been to check on the children and find no evidence of abuse. We have seen that on many occasions. I was surprised by the Fl statue.. I want to see if Texas statue is the same...jmo

[sickntired]

Ok,I know I wrote a book but I just had to get this off my chest! All of this is JMO,agree or disagree doesn't matter. Like everyone here I have the right to state MOO.

Thank You for allowing me this right!
NanieLiz
SNIPPED FOR SPACE

Wow, thanks for your opinion and "re-cap". Although I think the abduction part of it is a little out there, why would one take a mini van and return it the same night while trying to dispose of a child. What if you returned with the mini van and the cops were already called and surronding the home? I guess it could happen, and I appreciate you giving us your thoughts.:thumbup:

[DenVIP]

I think it is very clear that both sides of the family have problems that's why i am not siding on any of them. I see that Haleigh and Junior are the victims here and DCF should seek what is best for their interest. Right now , Haleigh is missing and it is important for DCF to protect Junior's rights at all cost. IMO

We can agree 100% with someone for a change

[crymeariver2006]

Another piece of this puzzle that I dont get....Ron Jr. was about 6 mos. old when Crystal let Ron carry him and Haleigh to wherever he went.....I dont know Mexico, Texas...I dont remember...This baby at 6 months should have still been breast feeding and bonding with his mother, needing his mother at that point more than daddy, and she just let him go......I cant figure that one....Sorry... makes no sense. Crystal had the kids at that time.

It was both, as I recall.

Who said she "let" him take the children to Mexico or Texas?

What I want to know is if Haleigh was so ill and in need of such medical treatment that the lack of it was used to obtain custody by Ron, what the heck was she doing in Mexico?

[bama__angel]

It was both, as I recall.

Who said she "let" him take the children to Mexico or Texas?

What I want to know is if Haleigh was so ill and in need of such medical treatment that the lack of it was used to obtain custody by Ron, what the heck was she doing in Mexico?

At this time IIRC, Crystal had physical custody of these 2 children, and she allowed Ron to carry her children with him for a visit or for him to work...I dont really remember....If I am wrong then I will make a written apology on this board to Crystal...ok

[oxfordfox]

IMO the photo is in line with the playground injury that was noted. Black eyes do not appear instantly. I was injured in an accident where I was hit in the face in a school playground accident and I had two black eyes that did not appear until the next day. The nurse noted the scratch on Hayleigh's nose and proabably failed to notice the other abrasion near the chin. Those do not look like my idea of abuse injuries which, unless you hit the kid in the face with a switch or something like it, wouldn't look that way.

[Motomom]

Don't forget the FOOD for Junior and Chloe to go with the clothes. And also that Crystal can't work now that Haleigh is missing. I understand that, but when was she working before? And does Chad not feed and clothe his own daughter? I read the local press about the site and the comments were very bad toward that site and then ZAP, it's gone and "under construction". America's next Makeover coming right up.

I want to search around later because i am sure someone has a copy of the original site. I wondered if Crystal really approved it though too. Only because it was dispicable IMO and I can't imagine her asking for all that she asked for on that site.. I don't know who does that.

[Nicola]

Read the article with the video. At the beginning for sure and maybe at the end, she refers to it as hers, doesn't she?
She says that it is Mistys van in the video doesn't she?

[Motomom]

Those pictures to me look like she fell! the school has called me before and my child came home with his face all bruised and cut at the play ground. now if he did this arrest him but how many parents have had their children bruised up? JMO I need more proof JMO

2 days before pictures my son fell off of his bike in the back yard doing jumps... landed on his face (he actually had a helmet on).. the blood OMG I freaked. Looked like his whole face was just about skinned off.. was one UGLY picture LOL

It happens. I'm under the assumption that the school verified this so I'm not sure why Art harris has that picture up there.

[bama__angel]

At this time IIRC, Crystal had physical custody of these 2 children, and she allowed Ron to carry her children with him for a visit or for him to work...I dont really remember....If I am wrong then I will make a written apology on this board to Crystal...ok


And also now we know that Crystal is publically stating that Ron was abusive to her almost daily, and she lets him leave the state with her infant son and 18 month old daughter.........She must have trusted him still more than I would......

[bama__angel]

On the right side of the bridge of her nose.



From a medical perspective, if you fall hard and flat on your nose, the bruising will continue under both eyes at times, dpending how hard the fall was and how many little blood vessels were broken......IMO

[Motomom]

I saw two black eyes. Either that or she is wearing purple eye shadow.

She also has a scratch on her nose..indication she may have hit that nose and when you do that, often times you get black eyes..

I have to say though..that child is STILL smiling.. I love her smile, it's full of giggles. Even with a black eye and scratches there she is living up life.

[sickntired]

A backhand across the back of the head yes, but that isn't the accusation is it? I would think a backhand to the back of the head would hurt the one doing the backhanding. the head is hard..

Who cares if the one doing the back handing is hurt...serves 'em right.

[bama__angel]

I can't believe the mother, a registered nurse, didn't report it while she took the pictures. And turning OFF the date function on the camera before she took evidence photos because it's "tacky"? I see where Crystal got her IQ from.



LOL......I needed that IQ laugh this afternoon.....Thank you.....

[crymeariver2006]

Not being hostile, just answering like whomever I responded to did, HEY!!!!

I have plenty of compassion and understanding. For those who, IMO, deserve it. From what I see, Crystal had numerous opportunities out there, she has her family for help, or so it seems. With all this abuse, where are the pix, the police reports. Big deal, she called DCF, then drops the ball. Crystal has 3 children, its way past time she grew up.
jmo

And since DCF supposedly says that the injuries didn't rise to the level of abuse (according to their guidelines) what would she have gotten from calling the police? The same outcome? Filing a false police report?

[playnice]

I can't believe the mother, a registered nurse, didn't report it while she took the pictures. And turning OFF the date function on the camera before she took evidence photos because it's "tacky"? I see where Crystal got her IQ from.

I dont know how it works there but my daughter is a nurse and if she sees or suspects abuse and doesnt report it she can lose her nursing license. If she thought these were abuse, took pics and didnt report it all I can say is wow.

[bama__angel]

I dont know how it works there but my daughter is a nurse and if she sees or suspects abuse and doesnt report it she can lose her nursing license. If she thought these were abuse, took pics and didnt report it all I can say is wow.


Same in my state......If you as a medical professional, social worker, teacher.......See any signs of child abuse and dont report it, you could be in big time trouble.....lose license, etc....You are legally bound to report abuse to the proper authorities....

[SwineFeld]

Conveniently no one remembers the date(s) the pics were taken. Or they claim there's no way to know for sure because the dates could be off. Well, there are programs you can use that recalls pics you deleted off of your digital camera. Hopefully parties involved know of these sorts of programs.

I know because I have used one myself in the past. I had accidentally deleted some pictures I really wanted off of my digital camera before I had the chance to upload them. So I began looking for ways to maybe bring them back and sure enough, I found a program that recalls ALL pics ever taken and saved on the memory card.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/19/do-exclusive-haleigh-cummings-pix-prove-abuse/#more-1290

[Motomom]

He is just putting up all the pictures they are using for the alleged abuse...I don't see anything in the others except normal kid stuff...I don't like the one of Jr's arm though...

You know, I disregarded the one of Haleigh because it's hogwash imo. The ones with the longer bruises on juniors leg.. I'm not too sure about. Also seems that it's the same picture over and over too of the same bruise? The arm bruises I'm not sure about.. maybe pinching? not grab marks IMO. But these pictures shown IMO do not depict this horrid abuse that is being claimed, but I don't know. I'll wait and see and change my opinion when I see something of value.

I had dyfs called on me once. My dd was in daycare a few days a week. Hubby was cooking with butter, she came into the kitchen behind him, he didn't see her, had the pan in his hand and tripped back, the butter splattered onto her arm and the pan left a big ole burnmark on my new kitchen floor. She had a few "bubbles" from where the burn was, but it wasn't anything that required medical attention, I treated it at home. She went to school. Next day or so when I get her to school I see she has a bruise under her eye.. NO idea where it came from. Sure enough dyfs shows up at my house. The accusation was BLACK EYE and burns. Anyways, I show them the burn mark on my floor.. no explanation for the eye cause I really had no idea where it came from. They made me take her to a specialist..which I was NOT happy about, but I did it. I called immediately to get the case closed because never in all my life had I personally had to deal with this sort of thing, either growing up or not. I was embarrassed. they keep it open, they don't close it right away. Anyways about a week later that dd and the other dd are laying on the floor, head to feet and sure enough, there they are kicking at one another and that bruise came from the other dd's heel..

So my point in sharing that is just that accidents DO happen.. had anyone not known us they could have easily judged us as called us abusers..which we are not.

[sickntired]

Haleigh's Father Hires Lawyer Amid Abuse Allegations
Lawyers Will Coordinate With Police, Media

POSTED: Thursday, March 19, 2009
UPDATED: 1:31 pm EDT March 19, 2009
SATSUMA, Fla. -- The father of a missing Putnam County girl has obtained legal counsel.

According to a news release issued by the personal injury firm, the law office of Kimball & Snider has agreed to represent Ronald Cummings as a pro bono client.

The release refers to Cummings as a victim in need of legal advice.

Cummings' five-year-old daughter, Haleigh, was reported missing from her Satsuma home in February.

Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, recently hired a lawyer as well. Her lawyer has accused Cummings of abusing the couple's son, Ronald Cummings Jr.

Cummings' lawyers will take over responsibility for assisting Cummings with police cooperation, coordinating media attention and handling a potential custody battle with Sheffield.

The news release describes Sheffield's lawyer's abuse allegations as "unsubstantiated" and said that Cummings sees the claims as a "cheap shot and publicity stunt that detracts from the search for Haleigh."

Kimball & Snider will not be representing Cummings' new wife, Misty Croslin.

:laugh: Maybe Misty is getting her own personal injury lawyer :w00t:


Seriously, he can probably use an attorney about now. Misty too!
Although we will probably be hearing a lot less from these players because I'm sure they'll be told to not make public statements.

[crymeariver2006]

I can't believe the mother, a registered nurse, didn't report it while she took the pictures. And turning OFF the date function on the camera before she took evidence photos because it's "tacky"? I see where Crystal got her IQ from.

That's her stepmother, not her mother so not sure how you're relating that's where Crystal gets her IQ from.

She didn't turn the date function off before she took THAT picture, she turned it off long ago.

[Motomom]

Who cares if the one doing the back handing is hurt...serves 'em right.


Guess you missed the point.

[teresa]

Haleigh's Father Hires Lawyer Amid Abuse Allegations

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18967351/detail.html

Personal injury attorney? What do they know about child custody? I hope they have someone consulting with them.

[crymeariver2006]

Nobody's bothered by having to take her to the doctor now.

That's the bottom line....:sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

Her mom don't know, anyone in her family, friends, how about her boyfriend??

Oh doneit, they know nothing yet they know how to get WIC and all the other benefits IMO. I wonder how the delivery was covered? Oh yes, that's right, Crystal had a medical card and STILL WAS NOT TAKING HALEIGH to the doctor appointments. :rolleyes: It never ends for the excuse bus IMO.

[Motomom]

If Crystal didn't know there was a report at school or an ER visit, turning the date off would be perfect if you are trying to set something up.

She turned the date off? Was that in the article? Because I didn't read the article.

[CANDYKISSES]

The pictures are up:
http://www.artharris.com/

But yet here we go again.

IF IT IS TRUE and this is not the school incident, then both Crystal and Ron belong behind bars IMOO. I do not buy this for one minute as being done at the hands of RC, and TERESA, GGM SYKES, THE SCHOOL, DCF and everyone else was too afraid to say anything. There isn't a place big enough for someone to hide IMO.

Against the backdrop of a massive police investigation to find the missing five year old, who vanished from her bed over a month ago, Crystal tells me she took photos during her own court ordered visits as the non-custodial parent after father Ronald Cummings was awarded the children in 2005.

From your link Pia.

One more thought here is that allegedly Haleigh was taken for follow-up after the ALLEGED school incident that we are now hearing was ALLEGED ABUSE from Crystal IMO. So does everyone here believe the entire town, hospital personnel and DCF were all to afraid of RC???:confused: JMO

The other pictures of scratches or scrapes could be from anything IMO and are probably on many children all over from playing, learning to navigate, climbing and falling IMO.

This is worse than a HE SAID - SHE SAID, it's disgusting and the timing is indicative of opportunity seeking and something sinister to boot IMO.

:thumbdown:These children all deserved so much better and what a shame Crystal is taking this TRAGIC opportunity riding on the back of her own missing CHILD HALEIGH CUMMINGS to handle her business related to POOR CHOICES she made in the past from my POV.
JMO tho.

This attorney is starting to really sicken my stomach with her in your face tactics knowing she has hooked her wagon to a pig in a poke IMO.

If the KP was honest, she would have discretely handled this and perhaps Junior could have been placed in protective custody as they muddled through these allegations and WHY SOME PEOPLE HAVE INFORMATION AND PHOTOGRAPHS. WTH were they waiting for? :confused:

ALL JMO.

[Riverwalk!]

I can't believe the mother, a registered nurse, didn't report it while she took the pictures. And turning OFF the date function on the camera before she took evidence photos because it's "tacky"? I see where Crystal got her IQ from.

Connie Sheffield is Crystal's step mother. She's 29 and married to Johnny Marcus Sheffield.

Connie's myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=409471457

Johnny Sheffield's myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=409750817

[crymeariver2006]

She turned the date off? Was that in the article? Because I didn't read the article.

She turned the date function off a long time ago. She didn't like it showing up on pictures.

But to hear tell it here, she just turned it off five minutes prior to taking the photo of Haleigh.

[Riverwalk!]

Personal injury attorney? What do they know about child custody? I hope they have someone consulting with them.

http://www.kimballsniderlaw.com/domestic_violence.html
Police officers now arrest many persons for domestic violence that years ago were not charged. Many ordinary citizens are affected.

Many people falsely believe that if the alleged victim, who may not have ever pressed charges, requests that the charges be dropped, the State will automatically drop the charges. Not so.

A criminal defense attorney will examine the State's case, looking for weak points. This includes the lack of a written statement of the alleged victim, 911 tapes, if any, photos, and eyewitness accounts, if any.

A domestic battery conviction can result in jail, and at a minimum results in a 6 month long counseling program and supervised probation.

It may be possible to quickly resolve issues regarding contact with the alleged victim, if that is the desire of both parties, since otherwise the person charged is forbidden to return home. Most couples, who are not estranged, want the no contact order addressed first.

[Motomom]

She turned the date function off a long time ago. She didn't like it showing up on pictures.

But to hear tell it here, she just turned it off five minutes prior to taking the photo of Haleigh.

So she knew the date feature was off then? I would think it mighty important for those pictures she was taking to have the date turned back on. Without that, how will they prove that it was RON who did that? It could have happened at Crystals right? I mean, we don't know because the date was off the camera.

[CANDYKISSES]

I see no injuries to show these children were beaten on "the bald truth' pages.
Can you imagine anyone believing these kids were beat bloody from that? :rolleyes:

IMHO, as always.

NO, I can not KathyRae, and I pray these are false allegations myself. But this carnival show needs to stop purple building and all IMO. It all smacks of greed and avoiding owning your part whether it's Ron or Crystal.

The one thing I stand on about Ron is that he has no desire to make his child the poster boy for anything from Geraldo to any other talk show and I think Crystal would do anything to keep her butt off the burner.

Ron might marry a minor, but her parents threw down the gauntlet giving their permission. Crystal threw Junior to the wolves on Geraldo and without his other parent's consent IMO.

GOD BLESS LITTLE HALEIGH, I PRAY SHE IS FOUND SOON. :wub:

JMO.

[bama__angel]

Connie Sheffield is Crystal's step mother. She's 29 and married to Johnny Marcus Sheffield.

Connie's myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=409471457

Johnny Sheffield's myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=409750817


THis just keeps on getting better and better.........Apparently Crystal's dad like the girls young too....IMO Could be where Crystal gets some of thinking from.....

If I get banned for this........See you guys....It's been real......

[CANDYKISSES]

From a medical perspective, if you fall hard and flat on your nose, the bruising will continue under both eyes at times, dpending how hard the fall was and how many little blood vessels were broken......IMO

ITA bama, as the face is a complex body part when it comes to bruising. Ask anyone who has broken their nose or had the SURGERY for rhinoplasty FGS. The bruising can be quite striking and continue to develop after the onset of injury. JMO:sad:

[SwineFeld]

Conveniently no one remembers the date(s) the pics were taken. Or they claim there's no way to know for sure because the dates were turned off. Well, there are programs you can use that recalls pics you deleted off of your digital camera. Hopefully parties involved know of these sorts of programs.

I know because I have used one myself in the past. I had accidentally deleted some pictures I really wanted off of my digital camera before I had the chance to upload them. So I began looking for ways to maybe bring them back and sure enough, I found a program that recalls ALL pics ever taken and saved on the memory card.

[teresa]

It was Nov. 12 when she says Crystal came by to visit her father, Johnny Sheffield, a former sheriff’s deputy and ex-Marine


Interesting. hmmm

imo

That was a Wed. Why were they having their Christmas with the kids on a Wed?

[Peaches]

Not being hostile, just answering like whomever I responded to did, HEY!!!!

I have plenty of compassion and understanding. For those who, IMO, deserve it. From what I see, Crystal had numerous opportunities out there, she has her family for help, or so it seems. With all this abuse, where are the pix, the police reports. Big deal, she called DCF, then drops the ball. Crystal has 3 children, its way past time she grew up.
jmo


And......I agree with you once again! :laugh:

About the black eyes.............If you hit yourself anywhere around your nose.............you can have a black eye or eyes.

My son - age 2 - fell hit his nose and had 2 big shiners.

Remember that slogan..............I'd rather fight than switch. That is what I told everyone he said..............

[mommyof4]

After seeing the pictures of Haleigh and Jr's injuries I believe that DCF itself needs to be investigated and I can clealry see why ol Ron needed to get a lawyer...He's gonna need one.

OK This is my first post, ready everyday though. I would have to say these pictures mean nothing to me. I have many pictures of my kids and all their bruses. And all it takes is a tickle attach by mom or dad to leave the marks on the arms or lots of different reasons. And I know that anytime my kids hit their nose they get one or two black eyes and yes the black and blue stays for awhile. JMO

[Owlface]

So she knew the date feature was off then? I would think it mighty important for those pictures she was taking to have the date turned back on. Without that, how will they prove that it was RON who did that? It could have happened at Crystals right? I mean, we don't know because the date was off the camera.

A date on a picture is not proof of anything. I can set the date on my camera to any date I want including 7/4/1776.

[Peaches]

I dont know how it works there but my daughter is a nurse and if she sees or suspects abuse and doesnt report it she can lose her nursing license. If she thought these were abuse, took pics and didnt report it all I can say is wow.


playnice.................same with teachers. If they see or suspect abuse and do not report it...............they can not only lose their teaching certificate but be held accountable by the courts.

[sickntired]

Yeah, except the incident at school happened on the 9th of Nov, and those pics were taken two weeks later, and the marks on that little boys body, wow, Ron abused his son, does anyone think its ok to hit a 2 year old with sticks?

If this is true, the hitting with sticks....wow great guy RC, at least he did "natural" discipline....a stick from "nature". :cursing:

JMO

WWKLS

[Peaches]

A personal injury firm? Good for him!



YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now the playing field will be a little more even.

[SwineFeld]

????? The reason I posted my info was because......let's say it pans out that Haleigh really did fall at school and it is well docummented. BUT, Crystal wants to try and pass off those photos she has as being from another time. Know what I mean? Like Crystal can turn around and say, "Oh, those pics were not from when she fell at school. They were taken another time. See, I have proof he beats her (yet I don't know the date these were taken)."

And, if someone has brains enough to know that there are programs out there that can recall past info on digital camera memory cards, they can easily prove or disprove her. Because, when they recall that info it will show them what pics were taken when.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your comment to me. It makes no sense. I guess I confused you?

So the missing child didn't really have a black eye before she disappeared from dad's house. O goody!

Do you really think the FBI is so lame they can't know how old she in those photos by her clothing with tag sizes inside? A child the age of Haleigh could sleuth that one.

[nanieliz]

WOW so let me get this straight,....Ronald beat Crystal everyday and he
____PICAZIO: We have, again, gone to DCF and given the specific incidents of abuse. It would be hitting, hitting in the face until bloody, hitting with sticks, hitting with belts. I could go on and on -- throwing down stairs, living in tents.___

but yet Crystal show comfort to him?

Yeah sorry i just don't believe her anymore ..........

Angel,I don't think she said he beat her! He abused her. She said he had kicked her in the back when she was pregnant with Haleigh. He VERBLY abused her and we've heard how he talked to Misty.

Now Picazio is talking about Photos she has seen of the kids and what people right there close to Ron has told her since she has taken this case. Crystal had thought several times the kids were being too harshly punished/whiped. She had taken pictures and reported it to DFAC's. DFAC's had been in the home the month before because of Haleigh missing too much school. Ronald told Crystal that.

NanieLiz

[teresa]

Conveniently no one remembers the date(s) the pics were taken. Or they claim there's no way to know for sure because the dates could be off. Well, there are programs you can use that recalls pics you deleted off of your digital camera. Hopefully parties involved know of these sorts of programs.

I know because I have used one myself in the past. I had accidentally deleted some pictures I really wanted off of my digital camera before I had the chance to upload them. So I began looking for ways to maybe bring them back and sure enough, I found a program that recalls ALL pics ever taken and saved on the memory card.

Why are they saying the pics were taken when she had her WEEKEND visit when Nov 12, 2008 was a Wednesday? Is my calendar off??

[Babes]

It is getting hot in this board... he said ... she said....


WHERE IS HALEIGH?

[SwineFeld]

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Tonight: Haleigh's grandmother speaks out about the abuse allegations towards her son and the latest breaking details in the case of missing tot, Haleigh. Nancy Grace has all the latest, breaking developments tonight at 8 & 10 p.m. ET.

[teresa]

From the article

It was Nov. 12 when she says Crystal came by to visit her father, Johnny Sheffield, a former sheriff’s deputy and ex-Marine, and brought the children—a week after Haleigh had fallen on the playground at Browning Pierce elementary where she was in kindergarten.

Is this more bad reporting by Art? Nov 12, 2008 per the article is a Wednesday. Not two weeks after the school fall.

[FoxySly]

So she knew the date feature was off then? I would think it mighty important for those pictures she was taking to have the date turned back on. Without that, how will they prove that it was RON who did that? It could have happened at Crystals right? I mean, we don't know because the date was off the camera.

EXACTLY!!! IMO

Sly

~

[teresa]

Geraldo = Art in drag? Both of them sensationalist! IMO

Yeah, I left him a comment days ago about his misstatement that Misty called Ron while he was working to tell him about Haleigh and my comment is still "waiting moderation" when many comments after mine have been approved.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Exactly. I expected to see a photo album full of horrific photos after the way the lawyer presented it. This looks like normal kid stuff to me, so unless they have credible witnesses, there's no way Ron will be charged.

They are grabbing at nothing if that is supposed to be abuse.

Also, he says Haleigh missed 31 days of school. Actually it was 20, frequent, yes.

His 31 absenses comes from the absenses in Feb (the doc is dated 2-24) when Haleigh was MISSING.


http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?action=view&current=hh002.jpg

[MrLucky917B]

I wonder if NG will have Cobra on sometime or is she done with bounty hunters/ private Investigators.

JMO

[IlliniFan]

They are grabbing at nothing if that is supposed to be abuse.

Also, he says Haleigh missed 31 days of school. Actually it was 20, frequent, yes.

His 31 absenses comes from the absenses in Feb (the doc is dated 2-24) when Haleigh was MISSING.


http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?action=view&current=hh002.jpg


I hadn't looked at any of the photos, documents on Art's sight...but I did click on your link.....You're correct ...ty for pointing that out...

[DenVIP]

And who was driving that van the night Haleigh went missing? No way on earth that van is not connected to all this. IMO, whoever took that van took Haleigh. Also IMO whoever brought that van back to that area also had control of the 911 call. An SO is not going to leave obvious signs of a kidnapping by leaving a door propped open and a light on, then take the chance to come back to the area to drop off a stolen van.

and this I can agree with

[nanieliz]

can someone tell me who has the longer criminal record Ron or Crystal?


I don't know. Does Crystal have a record? I've become lost on who has done what or who has done who!:scared:

[teresa]

And who was driving that van the night Haleigh went missing? No way on earth that van is not connected to all this. IMO, whoever took that van took Haleigh. Also IMO whoever brought that van back to that area also had control of the 911 call. An SO is not going to leave obvious signs of a kidnapping by leaving a door propped open and a light on, then take the chance to come back to the area to drop off a stolen van.

Hi Tree...I thought about that van all night. I think doctor J is right that if the van were involved, they wouldn't have released it. Have you every heard of a piece of evidence being let go? Maybe it was used, but they can't prove it or they would have kept it. I thought for sure those scratches were proof.

I've got to run out...I hope there's news soon!

[DenVIP]

Hi Tree...I thought about that van all night. I think doctor J is right that if the van were involved, they wouldn't have released it. Have you every heard of a piece of evidence being let go? Maybe it was used, but they can't prove it or they would have kept it. I thought for sure those scratches were proof.

I've got to run out...I hope there's news soon!

just food for thought...they released the home and a week later came back for the door....go figure

[teresa]

The corner of a filler for cabinets fell and hit me next to my temple. That bruise went across my face to my nose.

Is this true that Crystals dad is Johnny Sheffield, a former sheriff’s deputy and ex-Marine?? If so, he is afraid of Ron????????????????

Is he the dog fighter, too? Riverwalk, where are you?

[5boxersmom]

The corner of a filler for cabinets fell and hit me next to my temple. That bruise went across my face to my nose.

Is this true that Crystals dad is Johnny Sheffield, a former sheriff’s deputy and ex-Marine?? If so, he is afraid of Ron????????????????

He was also charged at one time with fighting animals. :mad:

So we have a former sheriff's deputy and an RN that suspect abuse but the child is not taken to a Dr. or ER where it can be documented?

I don't get it.

imo

[teresa]

They do once they've gathered all of the evidence and no longer need the physical item, especially if it's large and inconvenient to keep from its owner.

In a potential murder case? Wouldn't a defense attorney be allowed to examine it too?

[MrLucky917B]

Hi Tree...I thought about that van all night. I think doctor J is right that if the van were involved, they wouldn't have released it. Have you every heard of a piece of evidence being let go? Maybe it was used, but they can't prove it or they would have kept it. I thought for sure those scratches were proof.

I've got to run out...I hope there's news soon!

They let go of the home even though Ron said he would not live in it again, I guess they didn't find any evidence in it.

JMO

[Riverwalk!]

Is he the dog fighter, too? Riverwalk, where are you?

Yes + 9 more arrests (battery, assault, assault with deadly weapons)
UCN: 542004CF001425XXAXMX
File Date: 2004-08-03 Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Defense Atty: STEPHENSON, JOHN W
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, JOHNNY MARCUS
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2004-08-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO
2004-08-03 1 KNOWINGLY OWN, MANAGE OPERATE FACILITY TO FIGHT ANIMALS
2004-08-03 1 CRUELTY TO ANIMALS
2004-08-03 1 ATTENDING THE FIGHTING OR BATING OF ANIMALS
2004-08-03 1 ATTENDING THE FIGHTING OR BATING OF ANIMALS
2004-08-31 2 INFORMATION (CT 1-ANIMAL FIGHTING)
2004-09-14 3 CAPIAS ISSUED - BOND SET AT $1004.00
2004-10-14 4 ARREST REPORT - CT 1-ANIMAL FIGHTING -
2004-10-14 4 BOND SET AT $1004.00
2004-10-14 5 $1004.00 A-1 BAIL BONDS II - #2004-AA-77111
2004-10-14 6 DEFENDANT'S NOTIFICATION OF BOND CONDITIONS
2004-10-14 7 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (11-10-2004)
2004-10-18 8 CAPIAS RETURNED EXECUTED
2004-11-10 9 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT (BILL BOOKHAMMER)
2004-11-10 9 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 12/14/2004
2004-11-10 10 AFFIDAVIT OF INDIGENT STATUS
2004-11-10 11 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2004-11-10 12 ORDER FOR PRE TRIAL CONFERENCE
2004-11-16 13 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12-14-2004)
2004-12-14 14 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JOHN STEPHENSON
2004-12-14 14 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2004-12-14 14 CONTINUED TO 01/18/2005 AT 1:30 PM
2004-12-17 15 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-18-2005)
2005-01-18 16 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JOHN STEPHENSON
2005-01-18 16 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2005-01-18 16 SET FOR PLEA DAY 01/20/2005
2005-01-20 17 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JOHN STEPHENSON
2005-01-20 17 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO TO THE LESSER CRUELTY TO
2005-01-20 17 ANIMALS
2005-01-20 17 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 1 YR PCJ &/OR $1000 FINE
2005-01-20 17 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING - DEFENDANT
2005-01-20 17 ADJUDGED GUILTY, ORDERED TO PAY $241.50 COURT COST, $250
2005-01-20 17 COST OF PROSECUTION AND $40 PUBLIC DEFENDER APP FEE,
2005-01-20 17 COSTS ENTERED AS A CIVIL LIEN, SENTENCED TO 1 DAY PCJ
2005-01-20 17 WITH 1 DAY CREDIT
2005-02-03 18 JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE - ENT MIN CIR CT BK PG
2005-02-04 19 CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE AS TO JUDGMENT AND SENTENCE
2005-02-22 20 CHARGES, COSTS, AND FEES ASSOCIATED WITH SENTENCE
2005-02-22 20 RECORDED OR BK 1017 PG 753
2005-09-23 21 NOTICE OF HEARING RETURNED UNEXECUTED
2005-09-23 21 DEFT NOT IN JAIL
2005-09-23 22 DEFENSE WITNESS SUBPOENA ISSUED:
2005-09-23 22 EVIDENCE CUSTODIAN
2005-09-26 23 DEFENSE WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2005-09-26 23 EVIDENCE CUSTODIAN
2005-09-29 24 MOTION FOR RETURN OF PROPERTY
2005-09-30 25 MOTION HEARING MINUTES: DEFT PRES - COURT HEARD
2005-09-30 25 DEFENSE MOTION FOR RETURN OF PROPERTY - GRANTED -
2005-09-30 25 SONY CAMCORDER SERIAL #1528521 RET'D TO DEFT

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
Sheffield, Johnny Marcus

[TisMeAgain]

Well good! about time! JMO

I agree! I'm tired of hearing Crystal spew a bunch of crud. Is it true she is going to marry her step brother? Also, did I see someone post that her step brother(if it is) was arrested for drugs? One more thing as well wasn't Crystal's Mother arrested for some big time drug thing? TIA! I cannot keep up with two cases.

[DenVIP]

[QUOTE=DenVIP;12910264]

Nope. Not kidding.
Thanks though for your critique of my emotional status.
I'll pass on posting my opinion of yours.

seriously...I apologize.....I was out of line......just frustated that the focas isnt were it should be on a missing child and its just my opinion but neither parent is acting in the missing childs best interest

[Riverwalk!]

seriously...I apologize.....I was out of line......just frustated that the focas isnt were it should be on a missing child and its just my opinion but neither parent is acting in the missing childs best interest

I fixed the messed up QUOTE. Just delete the second name that was snipped incorrectly.

[Motomom]

Snipped per CW's request.


Bio mom also said Ron was never around the kids so how did bio mom's father witness abuse if Ron was never around? Bio mom can't have it both ways.


Good point Bookie. Her accusations aren't adding up IMO. If they are true.. my opinion will change.

[mustangtoni]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134179&catid=3

Van Seized in Haleigh Case Returned

snipped

Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said the technicians at the FDLE lab did not find any information on the van that is linked to the Haliegh Cummings' case.

[IlliniFan]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134179&catid=3

Van Seized in Haleigh Case Returned

snipped

Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said the technicians at the FDLE lab did not find any information on the van that is linked to the Haliegh Cummings' case.

Thank you...I will now forget about the previous, confusing "van" article.......

[Riverwalk!]

This is the former cop/marine's rap sheet????

Sounds like he may have worked under Joe Newman...LOL

Yes and the odd thing is that John Merchant arrested him two times. Mr. Merchant is working on Haleigh's disappearance.

[bama__angel]

Yes, I see a lot of double standards here.



I dont have any problem with Crystal hiring counsel for help with Haleigh or anything to do with Finding Haleigh.......What I have a problem with is the child custody at this point in time......Legal counsel for the child custody......IMO not the right time........

[Peaches]

OK This is my first post, ready everyday though. I would have to say these pictures mean nothing to me. I have many pictures of my kids and all their bruses. And all it takes is a tickle attach by mom or dad to leave the marks on the arms or lots of different reasons. And I know that anytime my kids hit their nose they get one or two black eyes and yes the black and blue stays for awhile. JMO



Welcome.................stay around and post with us. :thumbsup:

I agree with everything you have said here.

Last night when I was polishing my granddaughter's toenails, I asked where she got a bruse she had on her leg. She said, "I don't know." She plays full speed ahead as most children do.........scratches/bruses are normal for my grandbabies........

moo

[SwineFeld]

Ya mean something like this but usually down lower?

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4514882/StormDoor08_Full.jpg

I don't think I remember seeing anything like that on the door when they were allowed in the house to film.

A little off topic, but I just thought about something.

If this has been discussed already I do apologize.

All the screen/storm doors I have ever seen have a little screw like thing that you slide across to keep the door OPEN.

Ok, to me ...whoever used that screen/storm door to take Haleigh had to know that little screw ( I don't know the correct word for it), but the little screw that slides to hold the door open...must have been broken. That is why a block had to be used.

If it was a stranger, they would have just slid the screw over to hold the screen/storm door open ...right?

I know what I am trying to say...I hope someone can understand it.

[TisMeAgain]

Now you know step brother means they are not biologically related right?

Did you expect Crystal to marry a Rhodes scholar? Ron married a child. A child who cant keep her stories straight about the night Haleigh, Crystals daughter went missing..

Who would marry their step brother???????? I believe crystal
is taking the focus off little Haleigh. What kind of Mother walks away from their kids? I'm sick of hearing from her, she is a proven liar.
That's a FACT!

[crymeariver2006]

Now you know step brother means they are not biologically related right?

Did you expect Crystal to marry a Rhodes scholar? Ron married a child. A child who cant keep her stories straight about the night Haleigh, Crystals daughter went missing..

It doesn't matter. It's just one more way to throw slurs at Crystal.

Ron marries a minor in a quickie marriage that couldn't even wait the two weeks his pastor required for pre-marital counseling, has said minor watching his children and living with him as soon as he started "dating" her, she's the last one to see Haleigh (supposedly) and can't tell the same story twice and police are openly questioning her statements about the night Haleigh disappeared....

But noooooooooo, that's not important......

Crystal's engaged to her step brother!

Stop the presses!

[teresa]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134179&catid=3

Van Seized in Haleigh Case Returned

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Captain Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said the technicians at the FDLE lab did not find any information on the van that is linked to the Haliegh Cummings' case.

so it does belong to the SIL afterall. According to this article anyway!

[MrLucky917B]

Even if they did find evidence, they can still release it once they feel they're done. It happens all the time.

Agreed Sanity, thats why it's no big deal that they let the van go.

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but it looks like Ron now has an attorney.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-ronald-cummings-hires-attorney-031909,0,924318.story

[IlliniFan]

A little off topic, but I just thought about something.

If this has been discussed already I do apologize.

All the screen/storm doors I have ever seen have a little screw like thing that you slide across to keep the door OPEN.

Ok, to me ...whoever used that screen/storm door to take Haleigh had to know that little screw ( I don't know the correct word for it), but the little screw that slides to hold the door open...must have been broken. That is why a block had to be used.

If it was a stranger, they would have just slid the screw over to hold the screen/storm door open ...right?

I know what I am trying to say...I hope someone can understand it.

I have 2 storm doors that have the sliding mechanism to hold the door open...I do that when I'm hauling in groceries.

But....I don't think the screen door on the trailer had that....In a demonstration that door seemed just slam shut.....Most doors with the mechanisms like we have, don't do that...My storm doors have the hydrolic?? lol not sure...mechanism that allows the door to shut in a slow manner.....My springer spaniel loves to sneak out while that door is slowly closing..

[Peaches]

Why? DCF, as well as a school nurse and ER staffer assessed these allegations, and I do not see any professional who called this abuse. Any ER MD is probably covering his /her azz with a reported fall on or about the the face. Better safe than sorry in case child exhibits neurological problems or symptoms. Of course, DCAF has at least 30 days to investigate and follow this child and investigate. If they see no patterns or repeated injuries,severe marks that could otherwise be relegated to childhood mishaps, medical records, suspicious circumstances observed or reported by concerned neighbors/friends (neutral parties are best) and other factors-the pictures are not dated either just how do they appear at fault to you? Mrs. Sheffield is a pediatric nurse and required by law to report "suspected" cases of child abuse
no matter her relationship to the victim (alleged). Pictures can be taken of one mark at mutiple angles and appear as multiple bruises. They so-called welt could be a mosquito bite/sting,too. These cases unless overtly indicative of abuse (acute or chronic) are difficult to assess. Step-GM should have gone to the LE and she would have gotten maybe a quicker response. Why save pictures for future use if imminent harm exists? She knows the personalities better than DCAF ever will. Just MOO. I responded to you 3/4 X's. Sorry you do not choose to acknowledge my efforts at contacting you. ALL JMO


Thank you so much with sharing your professional opinions with us. I truly appreciate your imput!

[TisMeAgain]

I dont have any problem with Crystal hiring counsel for help with Haleigh or anything to do with Finding Haleigh.......What I have a problem with is the child custody at this point in time......Legal counsel for the child custody......IMO not the right time........

I agree with you. I think she's doing that now so she doesn't have to pay child support. She never paid before though. Wasn't she to be in court the day after haleigh was gone for back child support?

[IlliniFan]

First it was Chelsea's van now it's Lisa's? Reporters suck lol

and...some people thought it was Misty's lol (I didn't think so)

[crymeariver2006]

I guess that answers an earlier question of whether Crystal's family was familiar with public defenders!

I'd definitely rather have my child around Ron's family than Crystal's.

Do Public Defenders handle child custody cases?

[Motomom]

What! A grown man is accused of backhanding a five-year-old child and you say HE would be the one hurt? What?



Still missing the point.. it was said he backhanded her.. why would he back hand her in the BACK of the head. That's what he would have had to do for her to FALL ON HER FACE right? If she was backhanded across the face (which is what I believe the accusation is but I may be wrong ) she would not have fallen ON HER FACE IMO. So what would be the point of backhanding her in the back of the head. It would hurt HIS hand more than her IMO. So why would he do that if his intent was to HURT her?

Do you get it now? IF not, I can't help you cause I can't explain my thoughts on it any more clearly.

It had nothing to do with me worried that he would be hurt, as I feel that is what you are insinuating.. I'm not about twisting words or others posts. I'm here to discuss this case plain and simple. It does not make sense to me for him to BACKHAND her in the back of the head. Unless he wasn't thinking and just flipped out and wacked this poor child so hard she fell on her face, all in front of his EX's family?? Does that make sense to you?

[Dunlurken]

Agreed Sanity, thats why it's no big deal that they let the van go.

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but it looks like Ron now has an attorney.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-ronald-cummings-hires-attorney-031909,0,924318.story

Thank you for the link. He needs an attorney. JMO. If the pictures of Haleigh with a black eye, etc. are accurate ......

And what child service agency would say it's okay to hit a child with a switch or stick as long as it's on the bottom?

[justagal71]

After reading all the posts today I am left totally confused. I could amost swear that at the beginning of this case it was said that when Crystal left Ron she took the kids with her. She had let Ron have a visitation with the children and HE DID NOT RETURN THEM. Now i'm going to see if I can find a link to this...I may be a while...LOL

[Riverwalk!]

A little off topic, but I just thought about something.

If this has been discussed already I do apologize.

All the screen/storm doors I have ever seen have a little screw like thing that you slide across to keep the door OPEN.

Ok, to me ...whoever used that screen/storm door to take Haleigh had to know that little screw ( I don't know the correct word for it), but the little screw that slides to hold the door open...must have been broken. That is why a block had to be used.

If it was a stranger, they would have just slid the screw over to hold the screen/storm door open ...right?

I know what I am trying to say...I hope someone can understand it.

I need to go find a screenshot, but from what I remember that door did not have a pneumatic door closer. That was an "add on" when I bought my storm door and since then I have replaced it 3 times.

[crymeariver2006]

First it was Chelsea's van now it's Lisa's? Reporters suck lol

It's not Lisa's.

Lisa Croslin is Misty's mother.

[IlliniFan]

I need to go find a screenshot, but from what I remember that door did not have a pneumatic door closer. That was an "add on" when I bought my storm door and since then I have replaced it 3 times.

bolded by me..


pneumatic door closer...ok...that's what I was trying so ineptly to describe...lol ty RW...

[Dunlurken]

After reading all the posts today I am left totally confused. I could amost swear that at the beginning of this case it was said that when Crystal left Ron she took the kids with her. She had let Ron have a visitation with the children and HE DID NOT RETURN THEM. Now i'm going to see if I can find a link to this...I may be a while...LOL

That's what she said on NG. whether it's true or not, I don't know. Her lawyer was sitting right there next to her and let her answer the question..... JMO. The lawyer has read through all the court documents. I really like this lady Kim. JMO.

[justagal71]

That's what she said on NG. whether it's true or not, I don't know. Her lawyer was sitting right there next to her and let her answer the question..... JMO. The lawyer has read through all the court documents. I really like this lady Kim. JMO.

well in rons interview with ng he told her that he took custody of the children on haleighs birthday, and the courts awarded him custody at a later date(cant remember the date)

[Motomom]

Apparently they do. Everything Ron does seems to be okay for some. They don't want it investigated and have already made up their minds that CS is lying.
No wonder battered women don't speak out as often as they should. Look what kind of responses they get.

It's frightening, imo.

Show me ONE post that claims what I bolded? I have YET to read a post from anyone that does not want him investigated.. We didn't have much to do about making up our minds about CS lying, that was proven last night on NG.. now it's just a matter of what else she may be lieing about IMO

[Dunlurken]

And Ron Married Misty who lost his child. Something just isn't right. JMO. I don't believe for one second Misty is telling the truth, or even knows what the truth is. JMO.

It's good Ron got an attorney. He will need one. JMO. Misty needs one as well. JMO.

[Motomom]

I have 2 storm doors that have the sliding mechanism to hold the door open...I do that when I'm hauling in groceries.

But....I don't think the screen door on the trailer had that....In a demonstration that door seemed just slam shut.....Most doors with the mechanisms like we have, don't do that...My storm doors have the hydrolic?? lol not sure...mechanism that allows the door to shut in a slow manner.....My springer spaniel loves to sneak out while that door is slowly closing..

My storm door has that too and it isn't old but already that hydrolic thingy is broken cause my door slams shut all the time. Could be the putter inner though too and that would be hubby :sneaky:

[emdragon]

Apparently they do. Everything Ron does seems to be okay for some. They don't want it investigated and have already made up their minds that CS is lying.

No wonder battered women don't speak out as often as they should. Look what kind of responses they get.

It's frightening, imo.

No what is outrageous is that women like Crystal use Domestic Abuse to further their own agenda- that makes it so much harder for the truly abused to come forward.

Crystal waited 4 years before she decided Ron was abusing the kids.

Why should we believe a woman who has lied to the police before, making a false report?

Had Crystal been a royal pain in every government agency's butts for the past 4 years trying to get someone to listen to her charges I might feel for her. But to wait until the camera's are rolling- sorry

[Dunlurken]

Her child is in a home with a woman who cant keep her stories straight, that is scary. And lets not get into whats appropriate, Ron married his teen bride 30 or so days after his daughter was missing, she could be rotting or being tortured, and he brought in a new family member.IMO, Misty is not a woman. She's a child herself. JMO.

[Riverwalk!]

Apparently they do. Everything Ron does seems to be okay for some. They don't want it investigated and have already made up their minds that CS is lying.

No wonder battered women don't speak out as often as they should. Look what kind of responses they get.

It's frightening, imo.

I've been trying hard not to take this case personally, but your post is not correct, imo and you have no idea what some of us do for a living or for volunteer work.

Crystal has the right to file for a re-do of custody of Ronald Cummings, Jr. but what I FAULT her with is her public bashing of her child's father. That is not okay for any PARENT to do, imo and the opinion of Florida law:

"r) The capacity and disposition of each parent to protect the child from the ongoing litigation as demonstrated by not discussing the litigation with the child, not sharing documents or electronic media related to the litigation with the child, and refraining from disparaging comments about the other parent to the child."

JMO

[IlliniFan]

My storm door has that too and it isn't old but already that hydrolic thingy is broken cause my door slams shut all the time. Could be the putter inner though too and that would be hubby :sneaky:

nahhhh surely not....lol

Hubby put ours in too...

[Dunlurken]

Bottom line, Ron had a job, Crystal didn't. Follow the almighty dollar. JMO.

ETA: And Crystal didn't have a drivers license so how was she supposed to take the kids to the doctor? You think Ron would have come and gotten them. Me thinks not.

[Motomom]

I do have a problem if there was any abuse in that home. Right now though my concern is with Misty. I do not think she should be left alone with JR for good reason. LE has a problem with Misty's inconsistent statements and is calling her the key in a missing child case. JR could be the only witness to this crime. That is not a good combination in my book.

I know one thing for sure, I would not want Misty babysitting my child.
Yet again I would not want any of these people around my kids, but espicially not Misty, IMO.


I think the grandmother and great grand mother are ok and would have no problems with the kids with them. I do agree with you though in regards to misty having junior..more so by herself. Until she is cleared, with all of her inconsistent statements, she should NOT imo have junior by herself at all. I agree with that. She needs to get those inconsistencies cleared up and I don't know how she would go about doing that.

[Riverwalk!]

That's the way I understand it as well. The transcript to her description is on page 1 of this thread.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

Quoting myself to add the other document that I forgot. Sorry.

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

[justagal71]

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

thank you for that link, i was starting to second guess my memory...lol :smile:

[emdragon]

Bottom line, Ron had a job, Crystal didn't. Follow the almighty dollar. JMO.

ETA: And Crystal didn't have a drivers license so how was she supposed to take the kids to the doctor? You think Ron would have come and gotten them. Me thinks not.

I don't have a DL either and yet I manage to get my daughter where she needs to be.

How about all those times she said she just didn't want to get up and go? If Crystal were telling the truth that Ron didn't have anything to do with the kids who was watching them when Crystal didn't want to get up?

Her not having a DL is one of the biggest and lamest excuses for not seeing to her daughters health.

[emdragon]

Speaking of lazy, I wonder if I could open up a purple store and advocate donations so I can hire someone to do my housework.

Anyone listening to Crystals lawyer on HLN????
Yeah and no one on the show seems to be buying her load of goods.

[CANDYKISSES]

playnice.................same with teachers. If they see or suspect abuse and do not report it...............they can not only lose their teaching certificate but be held accountable by the courts.


True here Peaches. I just spoke to my brother and he and my SIL are both school teachers. He stated they have to report direct to DCF and it's a requirement now. It used to be you could notify the counselor or your principal and let them have the final word, but not anymore. IT IS your responsibility to REPORT if you see or hear anything indicating a possibility of abuse. JMO :sad:

This is looking more and more shady hour by hour IMO.

[MrLucky917B]

Started a new Thread since it looks like we will go over 1000 by JVM, come on over when you are ready.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12910547#post12910547

[justagal71]

My mother never had a driver's license but she made sure I never missed an appointment. It's just more excuses. She also blames Ron for not getting her license. Everything is Ron's fault, never hers, even pumping her full of drugs. (I wonder who she decided to blame for her drug use AFTER she left him)

the doctors appointments that they are talking about that crystal missed are these appointments that haleigh had when they were all living together or are these appointments haleigh had after crystal and the kids had left? how long did crystal have the kids on her own before ron took them on haleighs birthday? haleighs birthday is august 17th, 2003 when did crystal leave ron?