Michelle Fisher Young 3-18-09

[Tia]

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[trucrime]

Funny how everyone gets on my back for proof, which I posted a WRAL article that references a warrant, but when Stella makes her claims - its ok not to post proof. Why is there a double standard? Especially since Stella repeatedly makes up false accusations about Meredith Fisher being responsible somehow due to Stella's misinterpretation of the 911 call. Therefore, I see no reason to trust anything Stella says about the case without proof. Ive never heard of such a video existing, or still photos showing him at the hotel in the morning. Nor any guests or hotel staff coming forward to say they saw him in the morning. But we have him going down to the lobby and when he was leaving.

We know the drive was around 5 hours, maybe 5.5 max and there was no incliment weather. Likely no traffic in the middle of the night too. IMO.

[achristie]

I wouldn't get too bogged down with all that. The lead investigator essentially said it was only a matter of time before JY is arrested for the murder of his wife. He's been named a slayer in a civil court, will share custody of his child with his SIL, etc. It's not looking good for Mr. Young.

MOO Aggie

[Tia]

I wouldn't get too bogged down with all that. The lead investigator essentially said it was only a matter of time before JY is arrested for the murder of his wife. He's been named a slayer in a civil court, will share custody of his child with his SIL, etc. It's not looking good for Mr. Young.

MOO Aggie


ITA with Aggie.

Its not looking good for Jason at all, now matter what is posted here, we know what the s/w's and Det. Spivey say and its best to just stick to those facts and ignore the bait. :)

JMO

[Barbara2]

ITA with Aggie.

Its not looking good for Jason at all, now matter what is posted here, we know what the s/w's and Det. Spivey say and its best to just stick to those facts and ignore the bait. :)

JMO

We also know from the WDS hearing that the investigators have evidence that has not been made public in any warrants. They put enough in there to get the warrant but held back evidence that they don't want the suspect to know that they have. IF they had evidence of him at that hotel at some time that would have made it impossible for him to have committed this crime, they would not have continued to pursue additional evidence. BUT it is very possible that they have additional evidence including additional video from the hotel that shows that it is very possible that he committed this crime. IMO

[5swab5]

We also know from the WDS hearing that the investigators have evidence that has not been made public in any warrants. They put enough in there to get the warrant but held back evidence that they don't want the suspect to know that they have. IF they had evidence of him at that hotel at some time that would have made it impossible for him to have committed this crime, they would not have continued to pursue additional evidence. BUT it is very possible that they have additional evidence including additional video from the hotel that shows that it is very possible that he committed this crime. IMO

Yes, the evidence is slowly trickling out, but it is there. IMO

[Tia]

We also know from the WDS hearing that the investigators have evidence that has not been made public in any warrants. They put enough in there to get the warrant but held back evidence that they don't want the suspect to know that they have. IF they had evidence of him at that hotel at some time that would have made it impossible for him to have committed this crime, they would not have continued to pursue additional evidence. BUT it is very possible that they have additional evidence including additional video from the hotel that shows that it is very possible that he committed this crime. IMO

I just really wish it was over. As more and more comes out against Jason, the victim bashing on this thread is getting harder and harder to take.

JMO

[achristie]

I just really wish it was over. As more and more comes out against Jason, the victim bashing on this thread is getting harder and harder to take.

JMO

That's because you are too tender hearted, Tia.
I wonder if the victim's family really even cares ? They have much larger issues to deal with and have been gracious dealing with it, don't you think?
What is your take on LE stating that he will be arrested eventually?
Have you seen this in other cases?
I was rather surprised by that.
One would surmise they have a lot more evidence than we know about.

MOO Aggie

[reborn]

That's because you are too tender hearted, Tia.
I wonder if the victim's family really even cares ? They have much larger issues to deal with and have been gracious dealing with it, don't you think?
What is your take on LE stating that he will be arrested eventually?
Have you seen this in other cases?
I was rather surprised by that.
One would surmise they have a lot more evidence than we know about.

MOO Aggie

The LE you refer to is Spivey. Read where the Asst. DA won't comment on when or whether there will be an arrest. He certainly didn't name Jason a suspect.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7102646&page=1

[Jester]

Since Stella apparently has me on ignore, would one of the other JDI's ask her for a link to back up her claim there's video of Jason at the hotel in the morning?

Funny how everyone gets on my back for proof, which I posted a WRAL article that references a warrant, but when Stella makes her claims - its ok not to post proof. Why is there a double standard? Especially since Stella repeatedly makes up false accusations about Meredith Fisher being responsible somehow due to Stella's misinterpretation of the 911 call. Therefore, I see no reason to trust anything Stella says about the case without proof. Ive never heard of such a video existing, or still photos showing him at the hotel in the morning. Nor any guests or hotel staff coming forward to say they saw him in the morning. But we have him going down to the lobby and when he was leaving.

We know the drive was around 5 hours, maybe 5.5 max and there was no incliment weather. Likely no traffic in the middle of the night too. IMO.

There are no reports of video of Jason at the hotel in the morning. There are reports of video of Jason heading for the exit of the hotel shortly after midnight.

[Jester]

The LE you refer to is Spivey. Read where the Asst. DA won't comment on when or whether there will be an arrest. He certainly didn't name Jason a suspect.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7102646&page=1

Jason is identified as the "primary suspect" in his wife's murder in the latest release of search warrants.

[Cardinal]

The LE you refer to is Spivey. Read where the Asst. DA won't comment on when or whether there will be an arrest. He certainly didn't name Jason a suspect.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7102646&page=1

Thanks for the link, reborn.

"...Wake County Sheriff's Office has told local media that Jason Young is the prime suspect in his wife's death...."

This says WCSO, not Spivey.

[Cardinal]

From the same link:

"Spivey wrote in the affidavit: "I am familiar with other items of fact developed during this investigation that have not been placed in the public record to support a search warrant and, in my opinion, this evidence ... indicates that Jason Young was the perpetrator."

I would really like to know what the "other items of fact" [emphasis added] are.

[Stellagant]

The LE you refer to is Spivey. Read where the Asst. DA won't comment on when or whether there will be an arrest. He certainly didn't name Jason a suspect.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7102646&page=1

Spivey's comments to the news media about Jason are irresponsible and his participation in a civil lawsuit smacks of abuse of process. No wonder the WCSO is now referring media to the DA's office.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/sunshine/story/1445972.html

Colon Willoughby, Wake County's district attorney, asked to seal warrants in the Nancy Cooper and Michelle Young slayings. The murders of the two young Wake County mothers drew interest across the nation.

Willoughby said that details in search warrants can be inflammatory and sometimes wrong. He said he sometimes thinks these records ought to be guarded more carefully than they are.

"It may not be vetted," Willoughby said. "It may cast aspersions on someone's character who is not responsible for the crime. I'd say there's a good reason to never make these public, but the legislature disagrees."

[Barbara2]

From the same link:

"Spivey wrote in the affidavit: "I am familiar with other items of fact developed during this investigation that have not been placed in the public record to support a search warrant and, in my opinion, this evidence ... indicates that Jason Young was the perpetrator."

I would really like to know what the "other items of fact" [emphasis added] are.

This is the complete comment from the assistant DA from that link:

Wake County Assistant District Attorney Howard Cummings told ABCNews.com today that he couldn't comment on when or whether charges would be filed in Michelle Young's death.

"There's still physical evidence that's being analyzed" and collected, he said.

He said that the civil ruling would have no bearing on the criminal investigation, but added, "I think it's important that Linda and Meredith [Fisher] will be able to share in the raising of Cassidy."

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I find the last line particularly interesting: "I think it's important that Linda and Meredith [Fisher] will be able to share in the raising of Cassidy."

I think I like the message he is sending! IMO

[Cardinal]

It better be a lot more than we know, such as computer searches for head trauma.........
If you hit someone over the head. hard enough multiple times, they will die, what is there to research?


And, the computer printout for a Ebay item that ended, that's another one.....
Jason didn't have to necessarily want that particular one, but was using it for an example.

The defense, if there ever is one needed :rolleyes: will drive a hummer through this stuff.

A missing shirt, after long do they decide it might be important?

Kat


Hi, Kat. I saw your post on the other thread, and you "spoke for me" correctly.

Not that it matters, but my position really hasn't changed all these months. I've always thought that the known evidence points to Jason and no one else, and I still do. And despite my anger and disgust at some of the things made known recently, I'm still willing to wait for a trial before calling him a killer.

That said, killer or not, what has changed is that I'm now convinced he's a poor excuse for either a husband or father, and perhaps a human being.

JMO

[Stellagant]

It better be a lot more than we know, such as computer searches for head trauma.........
If you hit someone over the head. hard enough multiple times, they will die, what is there to research?

And, the computer printout for a Ebay item that ended, that's another one.....
Jason didn't have to necessarily want that particular handbag for Michelle, but was using it for an example.

The defense, if there ever is one needed :rolleyes: will drive a hummer through this stuff.

A missing shirt, after long do they decide it might be important?

Kat

LE hasn't said the shirt is still missing or that it is still important. It's only important to those who can't distinguish between what is probable cause and what is real evidence.

[Cardinal]

~snipped for emphasis~

Willoughby said that details in search warrants can be inflammatory and sometimes wrong. He said he sometimes thinks these records ought to be guarded more carefully than they are.

"It may not be vetted," Willoughby said. "It may cast aspersions on someone's character who is not responsible for the crime. I'd say there's a good reason to never make these public, but the legislature disagrees."[/I]


Actually, I agree with that. For example, the SW for Michelle's SUV has caused countless apersions on Meredith's character, and I don't believe she's responsible for the crime.

[Cardinal]

LE hasn't said the shirt is still missing or that it is still important. It's only important to those who can't distinguish between what is probable cause and what is real evidence.

Like keys?

[Cardinal]

Whatever it is , still not enough to get an indictment......
And, now that Jason has reached a custody agreement, and did not contest the WDS with the damages now being awarded, this case still remains unsolved.

It is one thing to think something, it is another to prove it.

I say it's time they prove it, and let the facts play out in a court of law, not a Message Board.

Let L E call Jason whatever they want to call him, end all the gossip and rumors and take this into a court room..

If they have all that and then some, it is way overdue.

Are they not comfortable with what they have?
Are they not confident with what they have?
And, if not, what is going to change .

Almost 2 and a 1/2 years, they either have it or they don't.

Kat

I agree with everything you said in this post. And I wish I knew what the holdup is.

But surely you're not saying you don't want to talk about it any more? :D

[achristie]

Hi, Kat. I saw your post on the other thread, and you "spoke for me" correctly.

Not that it matters, but my position really hasn't changed all these months. I've always thought that the known evidence points to Jason and no one else, and I still do. And despite my anger and disgust at some of the things made known recently, I'm still willing to wait for a trial before calling him a killer.

That said, killer or not, what has changed is that I'm now convinced he's a poor excuse for either a husband or father, and perhaps a human being.

JMO

What's with the drama? It was a sincere question. I asked if you were still on the fence. I didn't ask you to call him a killer. Let me refresh your memory.

#892 03-17-2009, 08:31 PM
achristie
Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 315

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardinal
Enough about reborn.

I'm still stunned by the baby doll revelation. And it's obvious to me from what has been reported about Spivey's testimony and Willoughby's comments that it's only a matter of time until Jason Young is indicted for Michelle's murder.

I know it has been over 28 months, but I will remain hopeful for as long as it takes that Michelle and Rylan will have justice.




Are you saying you are no longer on the fence?


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MOO

[Cardinal]

Of course not. but, how long can this case stay as a current crime either?
There are current crimes that happen every day.
This is no longer a current crime, but an unsolved 2 and a 1/2 year old one at that.
This happened in 2006.!!!
Had some of this latest info came out back then, it would have meant so much more.
And, while L E has been reassuring that it is not a cold case, and they are building a c.e. case against Jason, okay, then they should do it.
It is not fair to Michelle either.

Kat


Kat, does it really matter how this case is classified? It doesn't to me, and I honestly don't think it does to you either. We're all still here, regardless of the passage of time, because we care that someone as vibrant and special as Michelle was brutally murdered in her own bedroom. And we all want to see someone pay for that. Because you're right, it's not fair to her, or Rylan, or Cassidy.

JMO

[Cardinal]

What's with the drama? It was a sincere question. I asked if you were still on the fence. I didn't ask you to call him a killer. Let me refresh your memory.

#892 03-17-2009, 08:31 PM
achristie
Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 315

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardinal
Enough about reborn.

I'm still stunned by the baby doll revelation. And it's obvious to me from what has been reported about Spivey's testimony and Willoughby's comments that it's only a matter of time until Jason Young is indicted for Michelle's murder.

I know it has been over 28 months, but I will remain hopeful for as long as it takes that Michelle and Rylan will have justice.




Are you saying you are no longer on the fence?


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MOO

No drama, Aggie. And actually, I was responding to Kat's post earlier, rather than yours.

To respond to yours, am I still on the fence? I guess that depends upon your definition of fence. Kat is correct - I've always thought the evidence pointed to Jason. Despite that, there are still some things that don't fit for me, in the CE that is known - the shoe prints, the tight timeline. For that reason, I am still open to considering other possibilities that I find rational. For example, even if Jason is responsible - was there an accomplice? That would certainly explain some of the things that don't fit for me.

ETA: I deleted that last statement, since I recognize it could be offensive to some people.

[bsatis]

Actually, I agree with that. For example, the SW for Michelle's SUV has caused countless apersions on Meredith's character, and I don't believe she's responsible for the crime.

Precisely! I had a theory that is why they sealed that one for as long as they did...it was inflammatory towards someone who is obviously not involved.

[bsatis]

Well, then it was a total shame and reckless posting that helped to lead some towards thinking that.....

I always wondered if a link had been presented at that time, or the post was just accepted at face value.

Cause once it is out there, it is too late.
There was no delete button or turning back...
Old accusations and charges can linger forever.
And, that may have been the beginning of suspicion that should not have been, but like I said, too late now..

:shrug:

Kat


It is never too late to look at ALL of the evidence to determine who most likely did or did not participate in the crime. All of the SWs written since the beginning of 2008 have only been to gather information about ONE person.

[Leanne Weich]

With all due respect, the keys were important enough to be mentioned in a s/w and then further explained as a "revelation".

Remember it wasn't us that bought the trust fund info here.

Kat

No, we didn't bring up the trust fund info here. However, within minutes of that being posted, the poster withdrew the statement and advised he'd been fed wrong information, yet you and others JIIs continue to harp on the subject as if it was set out in a SW. I've seen you rap people over the knuckles for continuing to call out a poster - not sure if it was June or confused who had misread an article in a newspaper and posted that info. She, too, apologised for the error - so why the double standard?

[reborn]

It is never too late to look at ALL of the evidence to determine who most likely did or did not participate in the crime. All of the SWs written since the beginning of 2008 have only been to gather information about ONE person.


What is it now 20 warrants?

Facts:
he had an affair
he was in motel at midnight
he wears a 12 shoe
size 10 print at murder scene
Cassie clean in bloody house
jewelery missing
jewelery not found on Jason
jewelery not found period
Cassie found under covers in bloody bed
Cassie running around the house
Meredith leaves keys on counter
Meredith leaves keys on hood of Michelle's car
Jason ate at CB
Jason didn't like friends food
Jason in Wytheville , Va at 7:40 on the 3rd. of Nov.
Michelle found panties in bed 3 years before murder


What did I miss?

[jerry50]

...............heading for the exit or heading for the stairs to go back to his room, to go to sleep, to get up for his meeting?

Kat

Is this the meeting where he left home for the night before only to arrive 35 minutes late appearing nervous and uneasy?

[achristie]

No drama, Aggie. And actually, I was responding to Kat's post earlier, rather than yours.

To respond to yours, am I still on the fence? I guess that depends upon your definition of fence. Kat is correct - I've always thought the evidence pointed to Jason. Despite that, there are still some things that don't fit for me, in the CE that is known - the shoe prints, the tight timeline. For that reason, I am still open to considering other possibilities that I find rational. For example, even if Jason is responsible - was there an accomplice? That would certainly explain some of the things that don't fit for me.

ETA: I deleted that last statement, since I recognize it could be offensive to some people.


So, you are still on the fence, then?
I never saw what you deleted. Maybe that's a good thing if it could have been offensive.:biggrin:

[reborn]

Is this the meeting where he left home for the night before only to arrive 35 minutes late appearing nervous and uneasy?

According to one of the warrants he was on time for meeting at 7:40 AM. Time lost was after that. That points to the murder having no bearing on him being late.

[Tia]

Well, then it was a total shame and reckless posting that helped to lead some towards thinking that.....

I always wondered if a link had been presented at that time, or the post was just accepted at face value.

Cause once it is out there, it is too late.
There was no delete button or turning back...
Old accusations and charges can linger forever.
And, that may have been the beginning of suspicion that should not have been, but like I said, too late now..

:shrug:

Kat


That post was retracted within hours of when it was made. Apologies were made by the poster where he stated he was given bad information.

Its still not too late for you and others to do the right thing and stop bashing the victim's sister.

[bsatis]

What is it now 20 warrants?

Facts:
he had an affair
he was in motel at midnight
he wears a 12 shoe
size 10 print at murder scene
Cassie clean in bloody house
jewelery missing
jewelery not found on Jason
jewelery not found period
Cassie found under covers in bloody bed
Cassie running around the house
Meredith leaves keys on counter
Meredith leaves keys on hood of Michelle's car
Jason ate at CB
Jason didn't like friends food
Jason in Wytheville , Va at 7:40 on the 3rd. of Nov.
Michelle found panties in bed 3 years before murder


What did I miss?

Wow. I don't have enough time to list everything because I need some sleep before work tomorrow. I will start the list and some others can back me up.

Fact:
Hushpuppie print found; Jason owned Hushpuppies
Keycard only used once, even though we know he left the room
Jason told Michelle "I could kill u" over yardwork
Striped shirt missing
Hushpuppies missing
Jason's abnormal calls to friends the night before
Jason's abnormal call frequency to his mother that day
Jason has never done anything to help with the investigation nor cared to check to see how it was going
He defaulted on a WDS allowing himself to be declared the Slayer
He pretty much handed over the "center of his world" to someone else to avoid talking (not to mention, primary physical custody was handed to the very person you continue to insist was involved)

That's enough for now.

[janesdeaan]

[QUOTE=Tia;12907608]That post was retracted within hours of when it was made. Apologies were made by the poster where he stated he was given bad information.

Its still not too late for you and others to do the right thing and stop bashing the victim's sister.[/QUOTE

That's right Tia, some posters can't let go of a mistaken post about something that never happened and was retracted, yet they can find every excuse for Jason no matter what he does

[Stellagant]

Actually, I agree with that. For example, the SW for Michelle's SUV has caused countless apersions on Meredith's character, and I don't believe she's responsible for the crime.

The search warrant for Michelle's SUV includes conflicting statements she made to LE. Her own conduct has caused apersions (sic) on Meredith's character.

[Stellagant]

Like keys?

The conflicting statements about the keys are considered circumstantial evidence and is admissable at trial.

[Stellagant]

According to one of the warrants he was on time for meeting at 7:40 AM. Time lost was after that. That points to the murder having no bearing on him being late.

An excellent point some continue to be in denial about.

[Stellagant]

Her comments about herself on her webpage sure didn't give those who read it a much better glowing opinion of her, either.

Guess you should always be careful !!

But, back to Jason, they have to have more than some of this new stuff, like calling his friends when he was driving to tell them his plans.

Hello? There was a huge homecoming game coming up where they were all going to be together, and even with his trip to Brevard, I would think he fully intended to be back Sat.,for tailgating, right?

So, to tell people where he was and what he was doing makes perfect sense, especially to those who said he was supposed to be there Friday.

Some of this stuff just isn't going to fly......
JMO
Kat

Meredith's comments about herself, her comments on the 911 call and her conflicting statements to cops: all represent incriminating evidence moreso than anything Jason said to friends. He politely declined a casserole, chatted about a game with one pal and expressed interest in catching part of it and said he was tired of driving to another. I don't know too many people who wouldn't be tired after putting in a full day and then tacking on to it a 3-hour drive. A jury would laugh a DA out of the courtroom if he presented that as evidence, which is no doubt why the DA hasn't presented it as evidence to a grand jury and why the DA is now handling media inquiries.

[reborn]

Wow. I don't have enough time to list everything because I need some sleep before work tomorrow. I will start the list and some others can back me up.

Fact:
Hushpuppie print found; Jason owned Hushpuppies
Keycard only used once, even though we know he left the room
Jason told Michelle "I could kill u" over yardwork
Striped shirt missing
Hushpuppies missing
Jason's abnormal calls to friends the night before
Jason's abnormal call frequency to his mother that day
Jason has never done anything to help with the investigation nor cared to check to see how it was going
He defaulted on a WDS allowing himself to be declared the Slayer
He pretty much handed over the "center of his world" to someone else to avoid talking (not to mention, primary physical custody was handed to the very person you continue to insist was involved)

That's enough for now.

I see no evidence of murder in anything you have mentioned so far. People prop motel doors on a daily basis. Why do you think calls to friends the night before would be evidence? That makes no sense. Jason is doing what he paid an attorney for. Hes saying nothing. I can't say I blame him if you think calls to his mom is evidence of murder. As for sharing Cassie with the Fishers. Maybe it makes his life easier. Men share custody of their children every day . I've never seen where his shoes are missing. Shirt missing that wasn't looked for for 15 months. You really think Jason could be convicted on the things you mentioned?

[Stellagant]

I see no evidence of murder in anything you have mentioned so far. People prop motel doors on a daily basis. Why do you think calls to friends the night before would be evidence? That makes no sense. Jason is doing what he paid an attorney for. Hes saying nothing. I can't say I blame him if you think calls to his mom is evidence of murder. As for sharing Cassie with the Fishers. Maybe it makes his life easier. Men share custody of their children every day . I've never seen where his shoes are missing. Shirt missing that wasn't looked for for 15 months. You really think Jason could be convicted on the things you mentioned?

There is no evidence of murder in anything Spivey has mentioned so far. Being railroaded in the court of public opinion by a cop who has been unable to persuade a DA is an excellent reason to remain silent.

[trucrime]

What is it now 20 warrants?

Facts:

Jason didn't like friends food


Link to this? Ive only seen him say he's not talking via his attorney. IMO.

[trucrime]

Her comments about herself on her webpage sure didn't give those who read it a much better glowing opinion of her, either.

Guess you should always be careful !!

But, back to Jason, they have to have more than some of this new stuff, like calling his friends when he was driving to tell them his plans.

Hello? There was a huge homecoming game coming up where they were all going to be together, and even with his trip to Brevard, I would think he fully intended to be back Sat.,for tailgating, right?

So, to tell people where he was and what he was doing makes perfect sense, especially to those who said he was supposed to be there Friday.

Some of this stuff just isn't going to fly......
JMO
Kat

You failed to mention Meredith's webpage was several years old and not updated in quite some time, before Michelle was murdered. IMO.

[trucrime]

Is this the meeting where he left home for the night before only to arrive 35 minutes late appearing nervous and uneasy?

Exactly, a first hand account that he appeared nervous, etc. Not just 1 still photo, an actual person saying they saw him looking like this. IMO.

[trucrime]

Some of them will still blame Meredith when JY is on death row. My heart has/does go out to Meredith and Linda. My God those women have suffered enough!! At least they have Cassidy now....yes, I KNOW JY has visits. Their positive influence in her life will be invaluable, not to mention how they can/will keep sweet Cassidy's memories of Mommy "alive" for her

Excuses? oh my.....I'm constantly amazed!

The train is coming Jason.......you know it, I know you do. Many of us here think you're a piece of s**t and deepdown inside, you know we're right!!

Yes, there will be people who will continue to deflect and defend, long after he's arrested. ITA with your post. IMO.

[5swab5]

According to one of the warrants he was on time for meeting at 7:40 AM. Time lost was after that. That points to the murder having no bearing on him being late.

You must be confused. The SWs plainly state:

As a result of the investigation it was learned that Jason Young left Raleigh on the evening of Nov 2nd, 2006 and headed to Virginia in order to attend a meeting at the Dickenson Community Hospital in Clintwood, Virginia on November 3rd, 2006 at 100:00am. It was also learned that Mr. Young was 35 minutes late for the meeting according to a representative of Norton Community Hospital. (Dickenson Community Hospital is a critical access hospital owned by Norton Community Hospital) The hospital representative who met with Mr. Young said that he excused his late arrival to the meeting as a result of getting lost. The hospital representative continued by describing Mr. Young as being "hyper" and "this looked like it was "nervousness".


Jason Young has provided no information as to his whereabouts between the hours of 0001 (12:01am) and 0740 (7:40am) on November 3rd, 2006. MOO

[reborn]

You must be confused. The SWs plainly state:

As a result of the investigation it was learned that Jason Young left Raleigh on the evening of Nov 2nd, 2006 and headed to Virginia in order to attend a meeting at the Dickenson Community Hospital in Clintwood, Virginia on November 3rd, 2006 at 100:00am. It was also learned that Mr. Young was 35 minutes late for the meeting according to a representative of Norton Community Hospital. (Dickenson Community Hospital is a critical access hospital owned by Norton Community Hospital) The hospital representative who met with Mr. Young said that he excused his late arrival to the meeting as a result of getting lost. The hospital representative continued by describing Mr. Young as being "hyper" and "this looked like it was "nervousness".


Jason Young has provided no information as to his whereabouts between the hours of 0001 (12:01am) and 0740 (7:40am) on November 3rd, 2006. MOO


No I believe it would be you who is confused. At 7:40 Jason had time to be at his meeting. He got lost after that. I know what I'm saying is beyond your comprehension but some understand it. Hyper and looked like nervousness? How does one look nervous? Any normal person would assume he was asleep from midnight to 7:00AM. Unless it was proved otherwise.

[5swab5]

(snipped)Shirt missing that wasn't looked for for 15 months. (snipped)

Geeze, do me a favor and read the SWs, so I don't have to keep going back and typing them out for you.

They did NOT wait 15 months to look for the shirt. They looked for it again with the Valentine's Day warrants, just like they looked for the :cough: stolen :cough: jewelry.

Per the SWs:

Jason was caught on tape @ 11:58PM on Nov. 2nd. wearing a dark colored pullover garment with a lighter colored thin stripe bisecting the chest area.

Pat Young denied that Jason washed, changed or discarded any clothing while at her home on Nov.3rd. Pat's statements were confirmed by Gerald McIntyre.

After Jason arrived at Meredith's home and prior to the Ford Explorer being unpacked, uniformed deputies arrived and secured the vehicle. A warrant was obtained for the vehicle and the items in the vehicle were seized. The dark colored pullover garment with a lighter colored thin stripe bisecting the chest area was not among the items found in the vehicle.

The shirt went somewhere, it didn't just disappear on its own. MOO

[5swab5]

No I believe it would be you who is confused. At 7:40 Jason had time to be at his meeting. He got lost after that. I know what I'm saying is beyond your comprehension but some understand it. Hyper and looked like nervousness? How does one look nervous? Any normal person would assume he was asleep from midnight to 7:00AM. Unless it was proved otherwise.

I comprehend just fine, thank you very much. NO WHERE in any of the warrants does it say that Jason was on time like you posted here:

{According to one of the warrants he was on time for meeting at 7:40 AM. Time lost was after that. That points to the murder having no bearing on him being late.}

Who Cares what time he turned his phone on, ever ask yourself why it was turned off before then? Pregnant wife and all.

Facts are that Jason was late and facts are that clothing is missing. He had to ditch them sometime, someplace. Up in them thar hills, was just as good of a place as any.MOO

[Tia]

Its still not too late for you and others to do the right thing and stop bashing the victim's sister.[/QUOTE

That's right Tia, some posters can't let go of a mistaken post about something that never happened and was retracted, yet they can find every excuse for Jason no matter what he does


Some of them will still blame Meredith when JY is on death row. My heart has/does go out to Meredith and Linda. My God those women have suffered enough!! At least they have Cassidy now....yes, I KNOW JY has visits. Their positive influence in her life will be invaluable, not to mention how they can/will keep sweet Cassidy's memories of Mommy "alive" for her

Excuses? oh my.....I'm constantly amazed!

The train is coming Jason.......you know it, I know you do. Many of us here think you're a piece of s**t and deepdown inside, you know we're right!![/QUOTE]

Trust me, this is only a game to some. IMO, the mentality is "lets see how far we can push the JDI's then tattle to the moderator. Attacking Michelle's family upsets most of us and pushing that button seems to be very entertaining for the 2 or 3 JII's here. They seem to forget that these are real people whose lives have been devastated by Jason Young's selfish acts. Even once he is arrested, don't expect it to change. You will still have those who feel the need to cheer on a man who beat his pregnant wife to death, killing his unborn son in the process and leaving his little two year old home alone with her mother's dead body.

Jason will be arrested for what he did. Not that it matters, IMO, he has created his very own prison in Brevard.

Just try to hang in there and use your iggy button!!


JMO
MOO
IMO

[achristie]

Good morning. Tia , thanks for the new thread. My pages are still sticky, though. Is it the ads?

[bsatis]

I see no evidence of murder in anything you have mentioned so far. People prop motel doors on a daily basis. Why do you think calls to friends the night before would be evidence? That makes no sense. Jason is doing what he paid an attorney for. Hes saying nothing. I can't say I blame him if you think calls to his mom is evidence of murder. As for sharing Cassie with the Fishers. Maybe it makes his life easier. Men share custody of their children every day . I've never seen where his shoes are missing. Shirt missing that wasn't looked for for 15 months. You really think Jason could be convicted on the things you mentioned?

So, let me get this right. You find no evidence of murder in the circumstantial evidence pointing to JY, but yet you do find in the circumstantial evidence you think points to Meredith?

Let me throw your last question back at you. You really think Meredith could be convicted on the things you previously mentioned?

NOT A CHANCE.

[bsatis]

When Jason was in Wytheville, he appeared to be exactly on time for his meeting in Clintwood.......

At 7:49 am he was 2 hours and 20 minutes away.

So, he should have been there approx 10:09 am..
9 minutes late, not 35 .

Throw in parking the car, fixing his tie, putting on his shades, checking in at the front desk, asking where the conference was being held, making small talk, getting a drink from the water cooler, bathroom break, washing hands,maybe checking himself out in the mirror, and all that.......
:shrug:

Kat

Hmm. First of all, I would think he would be TAKING OFF his shades. And, if he is already late...I think he would have foregone a bunch of the above mentioned stuff. Unless of course, he didn't care. Which, this being JY, is a very good possibility.

[Tia]

Good morning. Tia , thanks for the new thread. My pages are still sticky, though. Is it the ads?


Hi Aggie!!!!

It could be the ads, not sure. It does seem slow today.

[5swab5]

So, let me get this right. You find no evidence of murder in the circumstantial evidence pointing to JY, but yet you do find in the circumstantial evidence you think points to Meredith?

Let me throw your last question back at you. You really think Meredith could be convicted on the things you previously mentioned?

NOT A CHANCE.

We are constantly reminded of an Attorney's worst nightmare on these boards. Not only people that don't understand what reasonable doubt is, but ones who treat circumstantial evidence, as if it didn't even exist. Thank goodness for voir dire, is all I can say. MOO

[annalyzer]

snip~ You really think Jason could be convicted on the things you mentioned?


I think it is very possible once it is all laid out to the jury, piece by piece. A beautiful pregnant mother is dead and statistics tell us it is usually the SO that is the murderer. That is unless of course the defense can prove Jason did not leave the hotel that night.

[Leanne Weich]

Hmm. First of all, I would think he would be TAKING OFF his shades. And, if he is already late...I think he would have foregone a bunch of the above mentioned stuff. Unless of course, he didn't care. Which, this being JY, is a very good possibility.

I don't know many women who'd go through that whole rigmarole if they were late for a meeting. Probably had to put his shades on to hide his lying eyes, imo.

[jerzeegirl]

I think it is very possible once it is all laid out to the jury, piece by piece. A beautiful pregnant mother is dead and statistics tell us it is usually the SO that is the murderer. That is unless of course the defense can prove Jason did not leave the hotel that night.

Anna, This is my opinion on this. I know that jason and his defense lawyer do not have to prove anything. The prosecution has to prove guilt. But this is the problem i have with this. IF Jason had any proof that could clear him as a suspect, why wouldnt he have done that 2 years ago, or at least within the recent months. Would he have taken that chance and lose primary custody of his daughter and a 15 million dollar lawsuit? Thats why i believe, there isnt any evidence to clear him. I believe he is scared to death and thats why he lost everything in order to keep his freedom. Yes it may be for the time being, but in his email to his sister, he seemed to think if he just keeps his mouth shut, this will all go away. I believe there is nothing in his knowledge that could help LE clear his name.

[trucrime]

Meredith's comments about herself, her comments on the 911 call and her conflicting statements to cops: all represent incriminating evidence moreso than anything Jason said to friends. He politely declined a casserole, chatted about a game with one pal and expressed interest in catching part of it and said he was tired of driving to another. I don't know too many people who wouldn't be tired after putting in a full day and then tacking on to it a 3-hour drive. A jury would laugh a DA out of the courtroom if he presented that as evidence, which is no doubt why the DA hasn't presented it as evidence to a grand jury and why the DA is now handling media inquiries.

Back to Meredith I see... :lol: So hilarious. Why would comments written a few years before the murder have any baring on the murder case? I guess its beyond your realm of thought that siblings dont always get 100% along. But in your opinion, those comments represent some vendetta Meredith had against Michelle. :rolleyes: She was in SHOCK when she found Michelle brutally murdered. She has no "conflicting statements" and has been cleared by LE. LE didnt need warrants to talk to her and get info from her. Meanwhile Michelle's husband refuses still to talk to LE, willingly gave up custody of his daughter to Meredith :thumbsup: and now has a $15.6 million dollar judgment to pay. We know its just bait when you insinuate Meredith was culpable, because she's not in the least. IMO.

[trucrime]

Anna, This is my opinion on this. I know that jason and his defense lawyer do not have to prove anything. The prosecution has to prove guilt. But this is the problem i have with this. IF Jason had any proof that could clear him as a suspect, why wouldnt he have done that 2 years ago, or at least within the recent months. Would he have taken that chance and lose primary custody of his daughter and a 15 million dollar lawsuit? Thats why i believe, there isnt any evidence to clear him. I believe he is scared to death and thats why he lost everything in order to keep his freedom. Yes it may be for the time being, but in his email to his sister, he seemed to think if he just keeps his mouth shut, this will all go away. I believe there is nothing in his knowledge that could help LE clear his name.

I think there is some knowledge he has about the case, but its that he was indeed responsible for killing them - which is why he's not and hasnt talked to LE. I find it hard to believe those 28 phone calls to Pat in the morning were just chatting for no significant reason. IMO.

[Stellagant]

No I believe it would be you who is confused. At 7:40 Jason had time to be at his meeting. He got lost after that. I know what I'm saying is beyond your comprehension but some understand it. Hyper and looked like nervousness? How does one look nervous? Any normal person would assume he was asleep from midnight to 7:00AM. Unless it was proved otherwise.

ITA. LE knows Jason was right where, if innocent, he was expected to be at 7:40 AM. The fact he was late AFTER that is meaningless.

[Stellagant]

Anna, This is my opinion on this. I know that jason and his defense lawyer do not have to prove anything. The prosecution has to prove guilt. But this is the problem i have with this. IF Jason had any proof that could clear him as a suspect, why wouldnt he have done that 2 years ago, or at least within the recent months. Would he have taken that chance and lose primary custody of his daughter and a 15 million dollar lawsuit? Thats why i believe, there isnt any evidence to clear him. I believe he is scared to death and thats why he lost everything in order to keep his freedom. Yes it may be for the time being, but in his email to his sister, he seemed to think if he just keeps his mouth shut, this will all go away. I believe there is nothing in his knowledge that could help LE clear his name.

I believe the "proof" is the hotel security video and Jason doesn't have access to them. I also believe you really are naive if you think Jason has ever had the ability to "clear his name" with a cop who has told the news media that Jason will be indicted. Only a fool would open his mouth under such circumstances.

[annalyzer]

snip~ I believe there is nothing in his knowledge that could help LE clear his name.

That's why I added it more like a sidenote. I don't think the defense could show he never left the hotel should he go to trial. Like you stated if Jason could prove his alibi he wouldn't be named a slayer right now and lost sole custody of his precious daughter.

[Stellagant]

I think it is very possible once it is all laid out to the jury, piece by piece. A beautiful pregnant mother is dead and statistics tell us it is usually the SO that is the murderer. That is unless of course the defense can prove Jason did not leave the hotel that night.

Can you cite a case where statistics were admissable evidence? Or a case where the defense is required to prove anything?

[annalyzer]

Can you cite a case where statistics were admissable evidence? Or a case where the defense is required to prove anything?

Opening statements aren't evidence either but they certainly can tell a story and lay everything out nicely for a jury.

(Perhaps a better word instead of prove would be show. If the defense can show Jason never left the hotel........)

Of course Jason would not have to testify (if this goes to trial) and the defense does not have to show or prove anything. They can take that risk.

[5swab5]

Opening statements aren't evidence either but they certainly can tell a story and lay everything out nicely for a jury.

(Perhaps a better word instead of prove would be show. If the defense can show Jason never left the hotel........)

Of course Jason would not have to testify (if this goes to trial) and the defense does not have to show or prove anything. They can take that risk.

Hey, the defense doesn't even have to put on a CIC, I hope they don't. That will spare everyone hearing about how Jason couldn't have possibly done this, because he rescued a baby bird when he was eight.:rolleyes:

The flip side is, almost unanimously after a trial, the jurors will say that they would have liked to hear from the defendant. So no matter how many times they are told that it "is his right", if honest, they always seem to wonder.MOO

[Stellagant]

Opening statements aren't evidence either but they certainly can tell a story and lay everything out nicely for a jury.

(Perhaps a better word instead of prove would be show. If the defense can show Jason never left the hotel........)

Of course Jason would not have to testify (if this goes to trial) and the defense does not have to show or prove anything. They can take that risk.

If the DA could show Jason left the hotel he would be arrested. That burden isn't on the defense, it is the job of the DA to prove opportunity.

[Barbara2]

If the DA could show Jason left the hotel he would be arrested. That burden isn't on the defense, it is the job of the DA to prove opportunity.

It's not a crime to leave a hotel. They cannot arrest him for that. They have to be able to prove that his leaving the hotel is tied to him going back to Raleigh to commit the crime. IMO

[reborn]

That is unless of course the defense can prove Jason did not leave the hotel that night.


Wow!! In NC is it guilty until proven innocent?

[reborn]

So, let me get this right. You find no evidence of murder in the circumstantial evidence pointing to JY, but yet you do find in the circumstantial evidence you think points to Meredith?

Let me throw your last question back at you. You really think Meredith could be convicted on the things you previously mentioned?

NOT A CHANCE.


No but its a good start. LE should throw some warrants her way. Wonder what they would find? Maybe a whole bag of bling.

[bsatis]

No but its a good start. LE should throw some warrants her way. Wonder what they would find? Maybe a whole bag of bling.

You don't need as many warrants for those who willingly cooperate. The one in which they did investigate something obviously led to nothing. I have no doubt she willingly gave consent to get her phone records or anything else they wanted.

Seriously, you are better off running with the theory that the paper person did it at this point. Especially since JY handed custody to Meredith. I mean, he obviously doesn't think she did it, now does he?

[bsatis]

I don't know why so many are missing this point.

Jason was exactly where he was supposed to be at 7:40am with a
2 and a half hour drive ahead of him.......

Jason was exactly where he was supposed to be when shown on the video checking into the Hampton Inn too.

What no one can or will explain is why he stayed around the hotel for at least another hour when he had a pre~med murder to attend to?

What no one can or will explain why he chose a sit down dinner at a family restaurant instead of a fast drive thru.?

This guy didn't have all that much time to carry this master minded plan through..yet he goes to Cracker Barrel and is still at the Hampton Inn at midnite.
JMO
Kat

You received a response to some of it, whether or not you chose to ignore I don't know. IMO, he waited until almost midnight to go to the front desk and leave because he wanted to make the timeline as tight as possible to help provide an alibi.

Also, he talked to MM on the phone after 11. Can't very well do that after he was driving back and it would ping off towers on the way back to Raleigh.

If he was "so tired" as explained to friends on the phone, whey was he up more than an hour after checking in and in different clothes? Namely a shirt that cannot be found now?

Oh, and that pesky "only used the keycard once" deal. And no, you still aren't going to get me to believe he would prop his door open (and risk his stuff being stolen) to walk down 3 floors. Perhaps to the vending machine on the same floor or within eyesight, but not down 3 floors.

As for Cracker Barrel, a drive thru would have made it so he got closer to Clintville by (IMO) 40 minutes or so. He didn't want to get too far away from Raleigh, otherwise his bad deeds wouldn't have been able to carried out. He had to make it look like stopping at Hillsville was an appropriate time to stop for the night. You know, 10:42, versus say 9:45 or so.

[im4justice]

I don't know why so many are missing this point.

Jason was exactly where he was supposed to be at 7:40am with a
2 and a half hour drive ahead of him.......

Jason was exactly where he was supposed to be when shown on the video checking into the Hampton Inn too.

What no one can or will explain is why he stayed around the hotel for at least another hour when he had a pre~med murder to attend to?

What no one can or will explain why he chose a sit down dinner at a family restaurant instead of a fast drive thru.?

This guy didn't have all that much time to carry this master minded plan through..yet he goes to Cracker Barrel and is still at the Hampton Inn at midnite.
JMO
Kat


Jason was already late being in Wyetheville at 7:40 am. To be on time he should have been at Wyetheville location more like 7:25 He should have been in hospital parking lot at 9:45 and at the conference room at 9:55 am at the very latest for his 10:00 am meeting. Most business men would plan on being to an appointment at least 5- 10 minutes ahead of time. IMO

[im4justice]

Meredith's comments about herself, her comments on the 911 call and her conflicting statements to cops: all represent incriminating evidence moreso than anything Jason said to friends. He politely declined a casserole, chatted about a game with one pal and expressed interest in catching part of it and said he was tired of driving to another. I don't know too many people who wouldn't be tired after putting in a full day and then tacking on to it a 3-hour drive. A jury would laugh a DA out of the courtroom if he presented that as evidence, which is no doubt why the DA hasn't presented it as evidence to a grand jury and why the DA is now handling media inquiries.

Any defense attorney who tries to implicate Meredith in this is going to immediately alienate the Jury IMO
It's my opinion actions speak louder than words and Jasons actions speak loudly.
The DA will present evidence of Jason's phone call to Meredith that will present Jason making his request to go to the home in order to not spoil a surprise for Michelle
Then the DA will show that this same thoughtful husband just happened to be having an affair ,and sexual encounter just days before his wedding anniversary , a wedding anniversary that just so happens he could not celibrate with his wife. Yet, he is sooo concerned about spoiling a gift surprise??
This will be just one of the many things the DA will present.

You posted "I don't know too many people who wouldn't be tired after putting in a full day and then tacking on to it a 3-hour drive." Putting in a full day?? The only thing Jason put a full day in was the evidence LE has of 50 phone calls to MM that day. How in the world could he have even been working that day? That's at least 6 phone calls per hour in an 8 hour work day. The only thing that should have been tired is his jaws. IMO

[im4justice]

Yes, but it still gave an insight to her character and showed she had very little in common with her sister.

Michelle was an overachiever with great potential.

Kat
From the reported comments from friends and co-workers what kind of insight have you formed about Jason?? Please do share.

[Tia]

Any defense attorney who tries to implicate Meredith in this is going to immediately alienate the Jury IMO
It's my opinion actions speak louder than words and Jasons actions speak loudly.
The DA will present evidence of Jason's phone call to Meredith that will present Jason making his request to go to the home in order to not spoil a surprise for Michelle
Then the DA will show that this same thoughtful husband just happened to be having an affair ,and sexual encounter just days before his wedding anniversary , a wedding anniversary that just so happens he could not celibrate with his wife. Yet, he is sooo concerned about spoiling a gift surprise??
This will be just one of the many things the DA will present.

You posted "I don't know too many people who wouldn't be tired after putting in a full day and then tacking on to it a 3-hour drive." Putting in a full day?? The only thing Jason put a full day in was the evidence LE has of 50 phone calls to MM that day. How in the world could he have even been working that day? That's at least 6 phone calls per hour in an 8 hour work day. The only thing that should have been tired is his jaws. IMO


You are so right! Just look at how repulsive it is here to see the attempts to implicate Meredith, just imagine a jury! Especially when it comes out that JASON sent her to the house!!!

After watching Meredith on the stand and seeing her genuine heartbreak over losing her sister, its beyond me what kind of people can continue to try to implicate her.

IMO, its time for the Meredith bashing to stop. NOTHING, not one single thing points to her guilt.

The woman has given up her life to care for her sister's child, that is no small feat. Especially when she has none of her own.

She is a saint in my book.


JMO

[Stellagant]

It's not a crime to leave a hotel. They cannot arrest him for that. They have to be able to prove that his leaving the hotel is tied to him going back to Raleigh to commit the crime. IMO

All they have to prove is he left the hotel (opportunity.) Obviously, they don't have any security video of him leaving or returning in the wee hours.

[Barbara2]

All they have to prove is he left the hotel (opportunity.) Obviously, they don't have any security video of him leaving or returning in the wee hours.

In that case, they don't have to prove that he left the hotel. They only have to prove that he had the opportunity. They have done that with the evidence already released. IMO

[Stellagant]

Any defense attorney who tries to implicate Meredith in this is going to immediately alienate the Jury IMO
It's my opinion actions speak louder than words and Jasons actions speak loudly.
The DA will present evidence of Jason's phone call to Meredith that will present Jason making his request to go to the home in order to not spoil a surprise for Michelle
Then the DA will show that this same thoughtful husband just happened to be having an affair ,and sexual encounter just days before his wedding anniversary , a wedding anniversary that just so happens he could not celibrate with his wife. Yet, he is sooo concerned about spoiling a gift surprise??
This will be just one of the many things the DA will present.

You posted "I don't know too many people who wouldn't be tired after putting in a full day and then tacking on to it a 3-hour drive." Putting in a full day?? The only thing Jason put a full day in was the evidence LE has of 50 phone calls to MM that day. How in the world could he have even been working that day? That's at least 6 phone calls per hour in an 8 hour work day. The only thing that should have been tired is his jaws. IMO

Meredith's own words and actions implicate herself.

Jason was employed. I can handle multi-tasking and don't see 6 phone calls in an hour as a big deal. It's a fact Jason hasn't been arrested, isn't it?

[Stellagant]

In that case, they don't have to prove that he left the hotel. They only have to prove that he had the opportunity. They have done that with the evidence already released. IMO

No, they haven't. A security video of someone headed down a hallway toward a door --and stairwell--isn't evidence the person left the hotel. I'm not sure why you aren't grasping the fact that there is security video.

[trucrime]

Yes, but it still gave an insight to her character and showed she had very little in common with her sister.

Michelle was an overachiever with great potential.

Kat

Well Ive never seen personal info about Michelle posted other than a few things like the ladybugs. Ive never seen a webpage of hers, from any year, so how could I form that opinion that they had "very little" in common. Who's to say she didnt have things in common with Meredith?

I think they had a lot more in common than you're making it seem. But if you can point me to Michelle's writings, or a webpage, so I can form my opinion about it to maybe see your verison of it, that'd be great.

PS - it may be more helpful in the future if you disclose all the facts when posting stuff here and saying its true. IMO it was a bit misleading about Meredith's stuff online, because it was posted a few years before the murder. IMO.

[trucrime]

No, they haven't. A security video of someone headed down a hallway toward a door --and stairwell--isn't evidence the person left the hotel. I'm not sure why you aren't grasping the fact that there is security video.

So then what do you say about the cell phone pings? Because clearly his phone was off for several hours. You cant tell me with his multiple calls to MM every day and his repeated calls to his mother the morning of the murder, that he slept with his phone off. By the way, just know LE can verify this habit (if he turned it off when he went to sleep) by pulling phone records, which Im sure they have.

All tied together, all of the CE, clearly points to ONE person only IMO and that's Jason Lynn Young. IMO.

[Tia]

So then what do you say about the cell phone pings? Because clearly his phone was off for several hours. You cant tell me with his multiple calls to MM every day and his repeated calls to his mother the morning of the murder, that he slept with his phone off. By the way, just know LE can verify this habit (if he turned it off when he went to sleep) by pulling phone records, which Im sure they have.

All tied together, all of the CE, clearly points to ONE person only IMO and that's Jason Lynn Young. IMO.


It sure does.

Jason and only Jason.

[Allyson]

I don't know why so many are missing this point.

Jason was exactly where he was supposed to be at 7:40am with a
2 and a half hour drive ahead of him.......

Jason was exactly where he was supposed to be when shown on the video checking into the Hampton Inn too.

What no one can or will explain is why he stayed around the hotel for at least another hour when he had a pre~med murder to attend to?

What no one can or will explain why he chose a sit down dinner at a family restaurant instead of a fast drive thru.?

This guy didn't have all that much time to carry this master minded plan through..yet he goes to Cracker Barrel and is still at the Hampton Inn at midnite.
JMO
Kat

Kat, I try and ignore you, but I cannot let this go by. I think YOUare missing the point.

The fact that Jason stopped and had dinner at a full service restaurant is suspicious. If he had not stopped and had a leisurely dinner at Cracker Barrel, he could have driven MUCH closer to Clintwood, if not all the way there. Instead, he took his time, had a nice dinner and had to stop over in Hillsville, which is just not far enough away to make driving back to Raleigh impossible. Had he grabbed a burger at Mickey D's and ate on the road and gotten closer to Clintwood, then we would not be discussing Jason the Murderer at all.

[Allyson]

Yes, but it still gave an insight to her character and showed she had very little in common with her sister.

Michelle was an overachiever with great potential.

Kat

Who's to say Meredith isn't an overachiever, now? Web pages from YEARS ago are in no way relevant to who Meredith is today. For all you know, she could have completely changed her life when she moved from NY to NC.

IMO, she overachieved in the weight-loss dept. She didn't lose a little wieght, she lost a lot...and looks fantastic.

She doesn't appear to be an underachiever to me.

[Tia]

Kat, I try and ignore you, but I cannot let this go by. I think YOUare missing the point.

The fact that Jason stopped and had dinner at a full service restaurant is suspicious. If he had not stopped and had a leisurely dinner at Cracker Barrel, he could have driven MUCH closer to Clintwood, if not all the way there. Instead, he took his time, had a nice dinner and had to stop over in Hillsville, which is just not far enough away to make driving back to Raleigh impossible. Had he grabbed a burger at Mickey D's and ate on the road and gotten closer to Clintwood, then we would not be discussing Jason the Murderer at all.


He planned it very carefully. I think most of us agree 100% with your theory. IMO, LE is looking at pre-med which is why its taking so long to arrest him.

[Allyson]

He planned it very carefully. I think most of us agree 100% with your theory. IMO, LE is looking at pre-med which is why its taking so long to arrest him.

It is taking a long time, thats for sure! But I don't care how long it takes as long as justice is served.

[Tia]

It is taking a long time, thats for sure! But I don't care how long it takes as long as justice is served.

Its already being served in many ways. Jason Young's life is over. He is willing to accept the "slayer" title, give up primary physical custody of his child, and give up 15.5 million dollars, rather than open his mouth.

What kind of life is living at home with mom at his age, being broke, and losing major time with Cassidy?

He should have just chosen a divorce.

JMO

[Tia]

We are constantly reminded of an Attorney's worst nightmare on these boards. Not only people that don't understand what reasonable doubt is, but ones who treat circumstantial evidence, as if it didn't even exist. Thank goodness for voir dire, is all I can say. MOO

Yes, thank goodness!!

SP was convicted almost completely on CE! Actually there was less CE in that case than what we have in this one IMO!!

[Stellagant]

Kat, I try and ignore you, but I cannot let this go by. I think YOUare missing the point.

The fact that Jason stopped and had dinner at a full service restaurant is suspicious. If he had not stopped and had a leisurely dinner at Cracker Barrel, he could have driven MUCH closer to Clintwood, if not all the way there. Instead, he took his time, had a nice dinner and had to stop over in Hillsville, which is just not far enough away to make driving back to Raleigh impossible. Had he grabbed a burger at Mickey D's and ate on the road and gotten closer to Clintwood, then we would not be discussing Jason the Murderer at all.

I think you are missing the point that Clintwood is in the mountains. I don't find it suspicious that Jason didn't want to drive into the mountains that late at night.

[5swab5]

Its already being served in many ways. Jason Young's life is over. He is willing to accept the "slayer" title, give up primary physical custody of his child, and give up 15.5 million dollars, rather than open his mouth.

What kind of life is living at home with mom at his age, being broke, and losing major time with Cassidy?

He should have just chosen a divorce.

JMO

Something is seriously wrong with a man his age living at home, something missing in his upbringing or something. Most parents teach us to believe in ourselves and to take pride in the satisfaction that we get from "making it on our own".

Yet Jason is content to sit at mommie's house for months and months on end. I don't think I have ever heard of a less motivated human being. What Michelle saw in him, I will never know. Thank Goodness he will soon have limited time with and therefore limited influence on Cassidy. MOO

[5swab5]

I think you are missing the point that Clintwood is in the mountains. I don't find it suspicious that Jason didn't want to drive into the mountains that late at night.

I doubt anyone considers Clintwood in anything, except possibly in the foothills. Big Difference.

You act like the slayer was negotiating a precipice. Not true. MOO

[reborn]

Kat, I try and ignore you, but I cannot let this go by. I think YOUare missing the point.

The fact that Jason stopped and had dinner at a full service restaurant is suspicious. If he had not stopped and had a leisurely dinner at Cracker Barrel, he could have driven MUCH closer to Clintwood, if not all the way there. Instead, he took his time, had a nice dinner and had to stop over in Hillsville, which is just not far enough away to make driving back to Raleigh impossible. Had he grabbed a burger at Mickey D's and ate on the road and gotten closer to Clintwood, then we would not be discussing Jason the Murderer at all.

If Jason was buying time he would have eaten at home.

[Barbara2]

No, they haven't. A security video of someone headed down a hallway toward a door --and stairwell--isn't evidence the person left the hotel. I'm not sure why you aren't grasping the fact that there is security video.

My grasp is just fine.
If they had video of him leaving the hotel, you would claim that doesn't prove he left the property. He may have just gone out to the car. If they have a witness saying he got in his car and drove away you would claim that he just went to get a beer. It doesn't prove he went back to Raleigh. You have made excuses for every piece of evidence that has been made public so I really don't expect you to change your stripes at this point. IMO

[Stellagant]

I doubt anyone considers Clintwood in anything, except possibly in the foothills. Big Difference.

You act like the slayer was negotiating a precipice. Not true. MOO

Clintwood considers itself in the mountains.

http://www.clintwood.us/



:rolleyes:

[jerzeegirl]

My grasp is just fine.
If they had video of him leaving the hotel, you would claim that doesn't prove he left the property. He may have just gone out to the car. If they have a witness saying he got in his car and drove away you would claim that he just went to get a beer. It doesn't prove he went back to Raleigh. You have made excuses for every piece of evidence that has been made public so I really don't expect you to change your stripes at this point. IMO


and if there was a video of JY killing her, she would say, Merideth made him do it!

[jerzeegirl]

Clintwood considers itself in the mountains.

http://www.clintwood.us/



:rolleyes:


wow, that cute little town has a community hospital?

[Cardinal]

I've stayed out of the Cracker Barrel discussion until now, trying to decide if it meant anything. I still don't know, but Allyson's post probably comes closest to my thoughts.

I've always wondered why Jason waited so late to leave that night - if the purpose was to get a head start on his appointment the next morning. Now we hear that he declined a meal that was ready at home before he left. But an hour or so later, he stops for dinner. Fine. But anyone who has ever eaten at a Cracker Barrel knows that a meal there pretty much takes an hour, even at off times. Yet Jason chooses to stop there rather than a fast food place.

So then he stops in Hillsville, because he's tired, I believe is the story. Yet an hour after he checks in, he changes clothes and goes downstairs for...something. After which he may or may not have left.

If he left, why? It couldn't have been for something to eat - he just ate at Cracker Barrel a couple of hours earlier. Where else would he be going? If he didn't leave, why did he change clothes and go down to the desk?

Somehow, all of that doesn't track for me.

JMO

[Stellagant]

My grasp is just fine.
If they had video of him leaving the hotel, you would claim that doesn't prove he left the property. He may have just gone out to the car. If they have a witness saying he got in his car and drove away you would claim that he just went to get a beer. It doesn't prove he went back to Raleigh. You have made excuses for every piece of evidence that has been made public so I really don't expect you to change your stripes at this point. IMO

I stated a rather simple fact, not an excuse. I can understand why you are unwilling to accept the fact that if LE had security video of Jason leaving the hotel at midnight, there also would be video showing him headed down the corridor in the opposite direction when he returned. If there was enough time for Jason to return to Raleigh between those two video captures, Jason would have been arrested over two years ago.

:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Thank you, Stella.............:)

Looks like a pretty community, and I can understand why Jason wanted to break up the close to 6 hour drive.....

If he left home around 7pm, and after eating @ CB, it took him almost 4 hours to arrive @ the Hampton Inn.

For him to leave home in the am and drive straight through, he would have had to leave around 4am........
I understand ,plus, with the mountains, why he did not do this.
Kat

Whenever I have a meeting at company headquarters, I leave at 4 am rather than driving up the night before. I like sleeping in my own bed. :)

If I were going to break up the drive, however, I would leave at 4 or 5 the afternoon before, and spend the night in the town where I'm having the meeting. Now, I've said before that I've driven most of that route, and I wouldn't want to drive the last couple of hours in the dark. It is indeed mountainous. But I would at least drive to Abingdon - that's still interstate and the mountains aren't a factor. And that's within 90 minutes of Clintwood - easy to do the next morning.

So I do question why Jason only got a couple of hours from home before stopping.

[Stellagant]

I've stayed out of the Cracker Barrel discussion until now, trying to decide if it meant anything. I still don't know, but Allyson's post probably comes closest to my thoughts.

I've always wondered why Jason waited so late to leave that night - if the purpose was to get a head start on his appointment the next morning. Now we hear that he declined a meal that was ready at home before he left. But an hour or so later, he stops for dinner. Fine. But anyone who has ever eaten at a Cracker Barrel knows that a meal there pretty much takes an hour, even at off times. Yet Jason chooses to stop there rather than a fast food place.

So then he stops in Hillsville, because he's tired, I believe is the story. Yet an hour after he checks in, he changes clothes and goes downstairs for...something. After which he may or may not have left.

If he left, why? It couldn't have been for something to eat - he just ate at Cracker Barrel a couple of hours earlier. Where else would he be going? If he didn't leave, why did he change clothes and go down to the desk?

Somehow, all of that doesn't track for me.

JMO

It tracks just fine for me and anyone else who doesn't like arising at 4 AM and driving five hours to attend a business meeting.

[Stellagant]

Thank you, Stella.............:)

Looks like a pretty community, and I can understand why Jason wanted to break up the close to 6 hour drive.....

If he left home around 7pm, and after eating @ CB, it took him almost 4 hours to arrive @ the Hampton Inn.

For him to leave home in the am and drive straight through, he would have had to leave around 4am........
I understand ,plus, with the mountains, why he did not do this.
Kat

I also understand it.

[5swab5]

Clintwood considers itself in the mountains. (snipped)

Of course they advertise that way. Who plans an expensive vacation to the foothills?

Hanging Rock, which is less than an hour from Greensboro is 2579 feet tall.

Blowing Rock isn't but 4000ft and that isn't much of a hill.

Clintwood @ 1755 hardly qualifies for a mountain. IMO

[Cardinal]

You can get in and out of CB in no time at all especially at the time he arrived.
They close at 10:pm, and the managers usually start cutting the floor around 8pm.
Plus, it was a Thursday nite, not the weekend.

As for changing his clothes, maybe he got a shower after he arrived, and he felt better, and decided to go downstairs or to his car for something,

I am not sure I ever heard he stopped in Hillsville, because he was tired, but it could be.

I thought it was more like cause it was a half way mark, that could let him finish the rest of his trip in the am......

One thing that does bother me , though, is how he could go without much sleep if he did indeed drive back to Raleigh?

And, after killing someone?
I would think he would be mentally and physically exhausted and sick with remorse, regret, and guilt.

I also wonder if this was planned, as some say, how he could eat at all, knowing in a few hours, he was going to kill someone?

That someone being his wife and the mother of his child...

That doesn't track for me......
Kat

LOL We must have different Cracker Barrel experiences, Kat. I've never gotten out of one in less than an hour, regardless of the time of day.

As for the lack of sleep, there are a couple of explanations. One is adrenalin - the other is amphetamines.

As for your other point, if Jason Young is a mentally healthy individual, I agree with you. If he's not, those things don't factor.

[5swab5]

I stated a rather simple fact, not an excuse. I can understand why you are unwilling to accept the fact that if LE had security video of Jason leaving the hotel at midnight, there also would be video showing him headed down the corridor in the opposite direction when he returned. If there was enough time for Jason to return to Raleigh between those two video captures, Jason would have been arrested over two years ago.

:rolleyes:

Not necessarily. He never returned. He never used his key card but once and someone stole his rock out of the lock. MOO

[Cardinal]

I believe it was posted that Jason got a later start than originally planned, maybe it was an errand or something he had to do before he left Raleigh.
But, I know, I know, old post=gone with the wind !!

I have many times driven from Jax to Miami, *which is close to 6 hours too, and have stopped in Ft. Lauderdale for the nite,
(Palm Beach hates tourists!!) and then continuned driving in the am.
But, then again it had to be connected to a mall run or football game too.:biggrin:

JMO
Kat

LOL Of course it did!!

But I guess that's the problem with trying to draw inferences from a lot of this. Different people do different things.

[Stellagant]

Not necessarily. He never returned. He never used his key card but once and someone stole his rock out of the lock. MOO

If he never returned, how did he know the rock was gone?

I'm pretty sure there is security video of Jason Young in the hotel after 5 AM on Nov 3.

[Cardinal]

Exactly, I wonder if Jason hooked up with some friends there too.
Greensboro to Charlotte is a hour and a half away too.

Who knows?
:shrug:
Kat

Interesting choice of words, Kat. :) I have wondered if Jason left the hotel to hook up with someone.

[jerzeegirl]

Interesting choice of words, Kat. :) I have wondered if Jason left the hotel to hook up with someone.


but that would be the perfect alibi, why wouldnt he come forward with this person or persons and say this is where i was and who i was with. He was already caught cheating anyway,whats one more mistress especially if that mistress could clear him of murder.

[Cardinal]

but that would be the perfect alibi, why wouldnt he come forward with this person or persons and say this is where i was and who i was with. He was already caught cheating anyway,whats one more mistress especially if that mistress could clear him of murder.

Unless it were a master rather than a mistress. :D

Just a half-formed theory at this point, and goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

[bsatis]

If he never returned, how did he know the rock was gone?

I'm pretty sure there is security video of Jason Young in the hotel after 5 AM on Nov 3.

One of the last search warrants clearly states that Jason's whereabouts can not be determined between 11:59 pm (when he was caught on video) and 7:40 am when a ping hit off a Wytheville tower.

I would deduce from this statement that there is NO video of Jason between 11:59 pm and 7:40 am (hence not being able to determine his whereabouts).

[Stellagant]

One of the last search warrants clearly states that Jason's whereabouts can not be determined between 11:59 pm (when he was caught on video) and 7:40 am when a ping hit off a Wytheville tower.

I would deduce from this statement that there is NO video of Jason between 11:59 pm and 7:40 am (hence not being able to determine his whereabouts).

Did Jason sprout wings in the hotel and fly out a window and into his car?

I'm pretty sure there is security video.

[gbmy]

I'm curious. For those who think Jason killed Michelle and carefully planned it, what is your opinion as to how things might have played out once Jason arrived back to Birchleaf. Start from where you think he would likely park his car. I'll share my pinion based on common sense the good lord gave me.

It's dark and quiet. I'm driving down Birchleaf. Not a car in site. I decide to park on a dark side street and walk to the house through the woods. I do this because driving my car up my own driveway at that time of the night when I know my wife's body will be discovered the next morning would make me worry that someone would notice. I very quietly use my house key to open the door and I tip toe up the stairs to my bedroom. I very quietly approach the bed. My carefully crafted plan is just about to be complete. There's Michelle, sound asleep. At this point, I can complete my plan in so many different ways without causing the most brutal and bloodiest crime scene the Wake County police have ever seen. I choose to slit her wrist to make it look like suicide. After all, I've given this a lot of thought beforehand. I quietly leave the house, head back to my car thru the woods, and back to the hotel.

[Barbara2]

I'm curious. For those who think Jason killed Michelle and carefully planned it, what is your opinion as to how things might have played out once Jason arrived back to Birchleaf. Start from where you think he would likely park his car. I'll share my pinion based on common sense the good lord gave me.

It's dark and quiet. I'm driving down Birchleaf. Not a car in site. I decide to park on a dark side street and walk to the house through the woods. I do this because driving my car up my own driveway at that time of the night when I know my wife's body will be discovered the next morning would make me worry that someone would notice. I very quietly use my house key to open the door and I tip toe up the stairs to my bedroom. I very quietly approach the bed. My carefully crafted plan is just about to be complete. There's Michelle, sound asleep. At this point, I can complete my plan in so many different ways without causing the most brutal and bloodiest crime scene the Wake County police have ever seen. I choose to slit her wrist to make it look like suicide. After all, I've given this a lot of thought beforehand. I quietly leave the house, head back to my car thru the woods, and back to the hotel.

Unfortunately your carefully crafted plan is destroyed when you think you are quietly opening the door but the dog hears it and starts barking waking Michelle and she fights off your attack.

[bsatis]

Did Jason sprout wings in the hotel and fly out a window and into his car?

I'm pretty sure there is security video.

Heh. I am so glad you are sure. Sorry if I believe LE instead of you.

"I believe" the closest video they have to him exiting the building is the one that they have of him going down the hallway after the front desk.

If they had video of him in the morning, that would be able to account for his whereabouts at that time.

Contrary to what you believe, LE would not perpetuate JY being the primary suspect if they could place him in the hotel (via video or eyewitness) at a time that would make it impossible for him to have committed the crime. You watch too much TV.

[bsatis]

I'm curious. For those who think Jason killed Michelle and carefully planned it, what is your opinion as to how things might have played out once Jason arrived back to Birchleaf. Start from where you think he would likely park his car. I'll share my pinion based on common sense the good lord gave me.

It's dark and quiet. I'm driving down Birchleaf. Not a car in site. I decide to park on a dark side street and walk to the house through the woods. I do this because driving my car up my own driveway at that time of the night when I know my wife's body will be discovered the next morning would make me worry that someone would notice. I very quietly use my house key to open the door and I tip toe up the stairs to my bedroom. I very quietly approach the bed. My carefully crafted plan is just about to be complete. There's Michelle, sound asleep. At this point, I can complete my plan in so many different ways without causing the most brutal and bloodiest crime scene the Wake County police have ever seen. I choose to slit her wrist to make it look like suicide. After all, I've given this a lot of thought beforehand. I quietly leave the house, head back to my car thru the woods, and back to the hotel.

I also read recently that they saw many of Michelle's work papers flung around the room and that she may have very well been still awake and working when the perpetrator arrived. It was also stated that it looked like she may have tried to get away, but didn't make it far.

But you bring up an interesting point for those Meredith did it folks. Meredith use to be much larger than she is now -- they must think that she could have snuck into the house and up the stairs without much commotion...oh, and that Michelle (in much better shape) couldn't have run away from her.

[Stellagant]

One of the last search warrants clearly states that Jason's whereabouts can not be determined between 11:59 pm (when he was caught on video) and 7:40 am when a ping hit off a Wytheville tower.

I would deduce from this statement that there is NO video of Jason between 11:59 pm and 7:40 am (hence not being able to determine his whereabouts).

btw, none of the search warrants clearly states that Jason's whereabouts the morning of Nov. 3 can not be determined by LE. A search warrant has only stated:

Jason Young has provided no information as to his whereabouts between the hours of 0001 hours (12:01 am) and 0740 (7:40 am) on November 3, 2006.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/10/4508366/20090210114743620.pdf

[Stellagant]

Unfortunately your carefully crafted plan is destroyed when you think you are quietly opening the door but the dog hears it and starts barking waking Michelle and she fights off your attack.

It was his dog and he lived there. Jason would certainly know whether his own dog would bark at him.

:rolleyes:

[Barbara2]

It was his dog and he lived there. Jason would certainly know whether his own dog would bark at him.



You don't know that. Dogs bark. You can't tell me that you know his dog would not bark if he heard a noise. Well, you could tell me that you know but you would be wrong. IMO

[reborn]

I also read recently that they saw many of Michelle's work papers flung around the room and that she may have very well been still awake and working when the perpetrator arrived. It was also stated that it looked like she may have tried to get away, but didn't make it far.

But you bring up an interesting point for those Meredith did it folks. Meredith use to be much larger than she is now -- they must think that she could have snuck into the house and up the stairs without much commotion...oh, and that Michelle (in much better shape) couldn't have run away from her.


Do mothers of 2 year olds work till 3AM.

[Stellagant]

I'm curious. For those who think Jason killed Michelle and carefully planned it, what is your opinion as to how things might have played out once Jason arrived back to Birchleaf. Start from where you think he would likely park his car. I'll share my pinion based on common sense the good lord gave me.

It's dark and quiet. I'm driving down Birchleaf. Not a car in site. I decide to park on a dark side street and walk to the house through the woods. I do this because driving my car up my own driveway at that time of the night when I know my wife's body will be discovered the next morning would make me worry that someone would notice. I very quietly use my house key to open the door and I tip toe up the stairs to my bedroom. I very quietly approach the bed. My carefully crafted plan is just about to be complete. There's Michelle, sound asleep. At this point, I can complete my plan in so many different ways without causing the most brutal and bloodiest crime scene the Wake County police have ever seen. I choose to slit her wrist to make it look like suicide. After all, I've given this a lot of thought beforehand. I quietly leave the house, head back to my car thru the woods, and back to the hotel.

That's one of the many huge problems Spivey has with his "Jason did it" scenario. Whether Michelle was awake or asleep, Jason would have no difficulty over-powering her.

[Stellagant]

You don't know that. Dogs bark. You can't tell me that you know his dog would not bark if he heard a noise. Well, you could tell me that you know but you would be wrong. IMO


I didn't say I knew, I said Jason would know. Do try to follow along.

Not all dogs bark at their owners coming home. Jason would certainly know whether his dog would bark or not. :rolleyes:

[Doorbell]

Did Jason sprout wings in the hotel and fly out a window and into his car?

I'm pretty sure there is security video.

He walked out right after he was videotaped in the hall.

IMO

[Doorbell]

I'm curious. For those who think Jason killed Michelle and carefully planned it, what is your opinion as to how things might have played out once Jason arrived back to Birchleaf. Start from where you think he would likely park his car. I'll share my pinion based on common sense the good lord gave me.

It's dark and quiet. I'm driving down Birchleaf. Not a car in site. I decide to park on a dark side street and walk to the house through the woods. I do this because driving my car up my own driveway at that time of the night when I know my wife's body will be discovered the next morning would make me worry that someone would notice. I very quietly use my house key to open the door and I tip toe up the stairs to my bedroom. I very quietly approach the bed. My carefully crafted plan is just about to be complete. There's Michelle, sound asleep. At this point, I can complete my plan in so many different ways without causing the most brutal and bloodiest crime scene the Wake County police have ever seen. I choose to slit her wrist to make it look like suicide. After all, I've given this a lot of thought beforehand. I quietly leave the house, head back to my car thru the woods, and back to the hotel.

It takes quite a while to bleed out from slit wrists. Plenty of time for her to wake up from the pain and call 911.

[Stellagant]

I also read recently that they saw many of Michelle's work papers flung around the room and that she may have very well been still awake and working when the perpetrator arrived. It was also stated that it looked like she may have tried to get away, but didn't make it far.

But you bring up an interesting point for those Meredith did it folks. Meredith use to be much larger than she is now -- they must think that she could have snuck into the house and up the stairs without much commotion...oh, and that Michelle (in much better shape) couldn't have run away from her.

I think the dog barked at the intruders and awakened Michelle.

[Barbara2]

I didn't say I knew, I said Jason would know. Do try to follow along.

Not all dogs bark at their owners coming home. Jason would certainly know whether his dog would bark or not.

Dogs are not that predictable. That I DO know! Not that it matters. You're arguing over a fantasy scenario proposed by another poster. It has nothing to do with the actual murder. IMO

[Doorbell]

Do mothers of 2 year olds work till 3AM.

Yes, if they have to.

IMO

[Stellagant]

He walked out right after he was videotaped in the hall.

IMO

That may or may not be true but what is also true if he left is that he wasn't gone for six+ hours or he'd be arrested by now.

[reborn]

I'm curious. For those who think Jason killed Michelle and carefully planned it, what is your opinion as to how things might have played out once Jason arrived back to Birchleaf. Start from where you think he would likely park his car. I'll share my pinion based on common sense the good lord gave me.

It's dark and quiet. I'm driving down Birchleaf. Not a car in site. I decide to park on a dark side street and walk to the house through the woods. I do this because driving my car up my own driveway at that time of the night when I know my wife's body will be discovered the next morning would make me worry that someone would notice. I very quietly use my house key to open the door and I tip toe up the stairs to my bedroom. I very quietly approach the bed. My carefully crafted plan is just about to be complete. There's Michelle, sound asleep. At this point, I can complete my plan in so many different ways without causing the most brutal and bloodiest crime scene the Wake County police have ever seen. I choose to slit her wrist to make it look like suicide. After all, I've given this a lot of thought beforehand. I quietly leave the house, head back to my car thru the woods, and back to the hotel.

My opinion is someone came to the house much earlier than the 3 AM . That someone wanted to borrow or take something. Words were had with Michelle. Anger or rage kicked in and a blow was hit that made turning back impossible. Michelle had to die. LE could work with the ME on a more exact TOD. The time span ME has given is totally ridicules.

[reborn]

Yes, if they have to.

IMO

I would think the mother would have been working instead of watching a tv show. A mother would know the child would be up next morning.

[Stellagant]

Dogs are not that predictable. That I DO know! Not that it matters. You're arguing over a fantasy scenario proposed by another poster. It has nothing to do with the actual murder. IMO

Owners know their dogs, Barbara2 and know whether their dogs bark when they arrive home or not. It's not rocket science to know something so basic about your own dog. :rolleyes:

You're arguing over your own fantasy scenario that Jason did it.

[Tia]

One of the last search warrants clearly states that Jason's whereabouts can not be determined between 11:59 pm (when he was caught on video) and 7:40 am when a ping hit off a Wytheville tower.

I would deduce from this statement that there is NO video of Jason between 11:59 pm and 7:40 am (hence not being able to determine his whereabouts).

Exactly. IF there was any video that could clear Jason, don't you think his attorneys would have used it in the WDS suit or the custody suit?

[bsatis]

btw, none of the search warrants clearly states that Jason's whereabouts the morning of Nov. 3 can not be determined by LE. A search warrant has only stated:

Jason Young has provided no information as to his whereabouts between the hours of 0001 hours (12:01 am) and 0740 (7:40 am) on November 3, 2006.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/10/4508366/20090210114743620.pdf


Deductive reasoning tells me that Jason wouldn't have to provide information as to his whereabouts if they already knew (i.e., if he was on video). What it tells me is that they have nothing placing him in the hotel at those hours.

[Barbara2]

Owners know their dogs, Barbara1 and know whether their dogs bark when they arrive home or not. It's not rocket science to know something so basic about your own dog.

You're arguing over your own fantasy scenario that Jason did it.

How often do you think Jason came into the house in the wee hours of the morning? If he was coming in by some way that was not normal, how would the dog know it was him before he came in the door? Dogs are dogs. They can't see through walls. :rolleyes:

IMO

[Tia]

My opinion is someone came to the house much earlier than the 3 AM . That someone wanted to borrow or take something. Words were had with Michelle. Anger or rage kicked in and a blow was hit that made turning back impossible. Michelle had to die. LE could work with the ME on a more exact TOD. The time span ME has given is totally ridicules.

Then where is the foreign DNA? Why did Jason lawyer up and refuse to speak with LE?

[bsatis]

snipped...

You're arguing over your own fantasy scenario that Jason did it.

Fantasy scenario that Jason did it? Sorry there is not laughing HYSTERICALLY emoticon.

If Jason committing the murder is a fantasy, what is your scenario of Meredith committing the murder? Somewhere in a alternate dimension? A black hole perhaps?

[reborn]

I also read recently that they saw many of Michelle's work papers flung around the room and that she may have very well been still awake and working when the perpetrator arrived. It was also stated that it looked like she may have tried to get away, but didn't make it far.

But you bring up an interesting point for those Meredith did it folks. Meredith use to be much larger than she is now -- they must think that she could have snuck into the house and up the stairs without much commotion...oh, and that Michelle (in much better shape) couldn't have run away from her.


I don't think Michelle would have ran from her. She was her sister. Sisters fight sometimes. One wants something and the other says no. One gets really mad and hits the other one . Would have to have been with something heavy. I feel if Michelle had caved here she would be alive. But I think Michelle got just as mad fought back and that cost her life. IMOO

[bsatis]

Then where is the foreign DNA? Why did Jason lawyer up and refuse to speak with LE?

Not to mention, there was a vehicle still there between 4 - 5.

Oh, and C was not hurt and appears to have been "cared for" (socks off, etc). No stranger would do that.

[Barbara2]

I don't think Michelle would have ran from her. She was her sister. Sisters fight sometimes. One wants something and the other says no. One gets really mad and hits the other one . Would have to have been with something heavy. I feel if Michelle had caved here she would be alive. But I think Michelle got just as mad fought back and that cost her life. IMOO

Now THERE'S a fantasy! IMO

[bsatis]

I don't think Michelle would have ran from her. She was her sister. Sisters fight sometimes. One wants something and the other says no. One gets really mad and hits the other one . Would have to have been with something heavy. I feel if Michelle had caved here she would be alive. But I think Michelle got just as mad fought back and that cost her life. IMOO

ADULT sisters don't fist fight. At least none I have seen...I mean, unless they were way, way white trash, but I won't go there. The Fisher women were not.

And, at the time of night?

[reborn]

Then where is the foreign DNA? Why did Jason lawyer up and refuse to speak with LE?

I don't think there would be any foreign DNA. Jason IMO lawyered up because friends were calling him saying they are going to pin this on you. I think he lawyered up out of pure fear. Any body with an ounce of sense would.

[trucrime]

I don't think Michelle would have ran from her. She was her sister. Sisters fight sometimes. One wants something and the other says no. One gets really mad and hits the other one . Would have to have been with something heavy. I feel if Michelle had caved here she would be alive. But I think Michelle got just as mad fought back and that cost her life. IMOO

Posts like this are libelous and should not be allowed. Total bait too. IMO.

[Doorbell]

That may or may not be true but what is also true if he left is that he wasn't gone for six+ hours or he'd be arrested by now.

Not necessarily. However, if there were any evidence that he was at the hotel within the TOD range, he would have been eliminated as a suspect.

IMO

[Barbara2]

I don't think there would be any foreign DNA. Jason IMO lawyered up because friends were calling him saying they are going to pin this on you. I think he lawyered up out of pure fear. Any body with an ounce of sense would.

That's what you were told anyway. No reason to believe that there is any truth in that excuse. IMO

[Tia]

ADULT sisters don't fist fight. At least none I have seen...I mean, unless they were way, way white trash, but I won't go there. The Fisher women were not.

And, at the time of night?

AMEN!!! I have two sisters, at the worst of times we never had any physical altercations (maybe when we were little....) but never ever as adults!

How anyone can accuse Meredith after seeing her on the witness stand Monday is beyond me! She had done nothing but give up her entire life to care for her sister's child, just as I would do for either of my sisters. Jason Young can't even put himself out there via his attorney's to talk to LE. What is wrong with this picture????

[trucrime]

I don't think there would be any foreign DNA. Jason IMO lawyered up because friends were calling him saying they are going to pin this on you. I think he lawyered up out of pure fear. Any body with an ounce of sense would.

Anyone who was innocent would have nothing to hide and speak for LE for the murder of their wife and unborn son. Anybody with an ounce of sense would do that, IMO.

[trucrime]

AMEN!!! I have two sisters, at the worst of times we never had any physical altercations (maybe when we were little....) but never ever as adults!

How anyone can accuse Meredith after seeing her on the witness stand Monday is beyond me! She had done nothing but give up her entire life to care for her sister's child, just as I would do for either of my sisters. Jason Young can't even put himself out there via his attorney's to talk to LE. What is wrong with this picture????

Furthermore its suggested the custody transition to Meredith won't ever fully take place. :rolleyes: As if she'll be arrested. Dream on! IMO.

[reborn]

ADULT sisters don't fist fight. At least none I have seen...I mean, unless they were way, way white trash, but I won't go there. The Fisher women were not.

And, at the time of night?

I never personally knew either woman so I can't say if they would have fought . I still don't think Michelle was to have ended up dead that night. I think it was an argument that got out of control and Michelle ended up dead. I don't think Jason ever left the motel. MOO

[Doorbell]

My opinion is someone came to the house much earlier than the 3 AM . That someone wanted to borrow or take something. Words were had with Michelle. Anger or rage kicked in and a blow was hit that made turning back impossible. Michelle had to die. LE could work with the ME on a more exact TOD. The time span ME has given is totally ridicules.

Given the number of blows, it's my opinion that the someone must have been quite large and strong, or that person would have become exhausted after far less than 30 blows.

Try it. Pick up something like a ball bat and hit something as hard as you can 30 times.

I've split wood with an ax, and broken up dirt in a garden patch with a pick. It is very hard work.

IMO

[Doorbell]

I would think the mother would have been working instead of watching a tv show. A mother would know the child would be up next morning.

If she has brought home work from her paying job, she is going to get it done whenever she can.

Many women juggle work and children. This might have been the reason Michelle was planning to cut back to part time, as we were told early on.

[Doorbell]

I don't think there would be any foreign DNA. Jason IMO lawyered up because friends were calling him saying they are going to pin this on you. I think he lawyered up out of pure fear. Any body with an ounce of sense would.

...or, possibly, cowardice.

IMO

[bsatis]

I don't think there would be any foreign DNA. Jason IMO lawyered up because friends were calling him saying they are going to pin this on you. I think he lawyered up out of pure fear. Any body with an ounce of sense would.


I actually don't have a problem with him retaining a lawyer (at least eventually). However, if he is innocent and cared an ounce about his wife and unborn son, he would have moved heaven and earth to find out what happened to them -- even if that meaned submitting to a polygraph and a ton of questioning to clear himself.

It has been stated time and time again that he has never even called to check on the investigation. Why? He obviously doesn't care or he is guilty. Either one makes him despicable.

[Jules2]

I don't think Michelle would have ran from her. She was her sister. Sisters fight sometimes. One wants something and the other says no. One gets really mad and hits the other one . Would have to have been with something heavy. I feel if Michelle had caved here she would be alive. But I think Michelle got just as mad fought back and that cost her life. IMOO

You are forgetting that Jason called Meredith and asked her to go to the house to retrieve a print out for an ebay item as a gift to his wife...a gift that would have been extremely late and an ebay item no longer available for bidding. But aside from all that ..........if Meredith killed her sister, why on earth would she have responded to her BIL's call and went to the scene of the crime the next day?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

IMO

[reborn]

Given the number of blows, it's my opinion that the someone must have been quite large and strong, or that person would have become exhausted after far less than 30 blows.

Try it. Pick up something like a ball bat and hit something as hard as you can 30 times.

I've split wood with an ax, and broken up dirt in a garden patch with a pick. It is very hard work.

IMO

Someone large and strong would have killed her with one blow. I don't believe there were 30 different blows but will give you that.. I have always felt it was a woman . Maybe not her sister but a woman.

[Jules2]

If she has brought home work from her paying job, she is going to get it done whenever she can.

Many women juggle work and children. This might have been the reason Michelle was planning to cut back to part time, as we were told early on.


Especially after it was obvious to her that her husband couldn't manage things on his own. He has some "down time" from work and can't seem to manage taking care of his daughter and the household chores (lawn work) at the same time.

IMO

[gbmy]

Unfortunately your carefully crafted plan is destroyed when you think you are quietly opening the door but the dog hears it and starts barking waking Michelle and she fights off your attack.
In that case, I would think Michelle would have gotten out of bed and walked downstairs. All dogs are different, but most I know typically don't bark at their owner. But you're right, if the dog did bark and if Michelle stayed in her bedroom, then I'd have to go to plan b.

[gbmy]

It takes quite a while to bleed out from slit wrists. Plenty of time for her to wake up from the pain and call 911.
Well, given that he carefully planned this, I doubt he'd do a 'slit and run'. He'd likely wait for the exact reason you give.

[gbmy]

I think the dog barked at the intruders and awakened Michelle.
Total agreement. That makes much more sense. But, Barbara2 is right. 'We' have no way of knowing whether the dog would bark or not. I can tell you one thing with certainty. I have a dog that ALWAYS barks at strangers and NEVER barks when me or any of my family members walk into the house. And, I've come home from work when my spouse and kids are sleeping many times. This is a fact.

[gbmy]

Dogs are not that predictable. That I DO know! Not that it matters. You're arguing over a fantasy scenario proposed by another poster. It has nothing to do with the actual murder. IMO
I can't comment on your exact meaning of fantasy scenario. But, it is very relevant to comment on what the dog's reaction would be to someone walking into the house. Especially since it could mean the difference between Michelle having been in deep REM sleep vs. awoken and startled.

[gbmy]

No one commented on where they'd likely park their car for a carefully planned murder like this. Thoughts and rationale?

[Tia]

No one commented on where they'd likely park their car for a carefully planned murder like this. Thoughts and rationale?


According to the newspaper delivery person, right in the driveway.

[trucrime]

You are forgetting that Jason called Meredith and asked her to go to the house to retrieve a print out for an ebay item as a gift to his wife...a gift that would have been extremely late and an ebay item no longer available for bidding. But aside from all that ..........if Meredith killed her sister, why on earth would she have responded to her BIL's call and went to the scene of the crime the next day?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

IMO

They have a transcript of the call, they could possibly have a copy of the actual message too ie audio. Which supports the fact he asked her to go over there. Furthermore, the friends were coming in from out of town later, IMO, a back up plan in case Meredith never came - so Cassidy would be attended to somehow. IMO.

[trucrime]

Given the number of blows, it's my opinion that the someone must have been quite large and strong, or that person would have become exhausted after far less than 30 blows.

Try it. Pick up something like a ball bat and hit something as hard as you can 30 times.

I've split wood with an ax, and broken up dirt in a garden patch with a pick. It is very hard work.

IMO

I agree, I just dont see Michelle as NOT being able to get away from Meredith if she actually were to attack. Its just not feasible IMO the amount of injuries Michelle had and Meredith's not some much taller/bigger person. Its MO a man did this, most probably Michelle's husband Jason. IMO.

[Stellagant]

How often do you think Jason came into the house in the wee hours of the morning? If he was coming in by some way that was not normal, how would the dog know it was him before he came in the door? Dogs are dogs. They can't see through walls. :rolleyes:

IMO

Dogs can't tell time, Barbara2.:rolleyes:

[Stellagant]

I don't think Michelle would have ran from her. She was her sister. Sisters fight sometimes. One wants something and the other says no. One gets really mad and hits the other one . Would have to have been with something heavy. I feel if Michelle had caved here she would be alive. But I think Michelle got just as mad fought back and that cost her life. IMOO

A fight over money, perhaps escalated? Very possible.

[Stellagant]

Not necessarily. However, if there were any evidence that he was at the hotel within the TOD range, he would have been eliminated as a suspect.

IMO

No, such evidence would not eliminate him as a co-conspirator.

[Stellagant]

I don't think there would be any foreign DNA. Jason IMO lawyered up because friends were calling him saying they are going to pin this on you. I think he lawyered up out of pure fear. Any body with an ounce of sense would.

The friends have been proved right. After seeing Spivey's recent proclamations, only a fool would consider cooperating.

[Stellagant]

Total agreement. That makes much more sense. But, Barbara2 is right. 'We' have no way of knowing whether the dog would bark or not. I can tell you one thing with certainty. I have a dog that ALWAYS barks at strangers and NEVER barks when me or any of my family members walk into the house. And, I've come home from work when my spouse and kids are sleeping many times. This is a fact.

Most dogs do bark at intruders but it is also possible Michelle herself heard someone walking up the stairs. I never said "we" would know whether their dog would bark, I said Jason would know and would plan accordingly if he pre-planned this murder and I don't believe he did. He would have no problem silencing his own dog even if it did bark. He would have no problem over-powering his wife if she awakened. The pre-planning scenario just doesn't fit Jason Young.

[Stellagant]

No one commented on where they'd likely park their car for a carefully planned murder like this. Thoughts and rationale?

Nothing about this murder seems carefully planned to me. But, to go along, how about parking the car in the driveway of a vacant house nearby?

[5swab5]

No one commented on where they'd likely park their car for a carefully planned murder like this. Thoughts and rationale?

The newspaper delivery person describes a vehicle, not unlike Jason's in the driveway. The only person that could have driven up to that house in the middle of the night without fear of drawing attention, is Jason. His was one of the only two cars that belonged there.

He is also the only one that could or would turn on all the lights, get past the dog, bathe and give Cassidy watered down adult meds, etc, etc,etc. MOO

[5swab5]

You don't know that. Dogs bark. You can't tell me that you know his dog would not bark if he heard a noise. Well, you could tell me that you know but you would be wrong. IMO

Anybody that has dogs knows that you cannot predict for sure when or if they will bark. Dogs have different barks for different situations. They even have a very sheepish expression that they use, when they accidentally use the wrong bark on one of their owners. MOO

[Doorbell]

Someone large and strong would have killed her with one blow. I don't believe there were 30 different blows but will give you that.. I have always felt it was a woman . Maybe not her sister but a woman.

Rage induces overkill.

The autopsy shows at least 24 separate lacerations to Michelle's head, including a broken jaw and broken skull.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/01/22/1175523/MichelleYoungAutopsyReport3.swf

Only one of them killed her. The rest were gratuitous.

IMO

[Doorbell]

Nothing about this murder seems carefully planned to me. But, to go along, how about parking the car in the driveway of a vacant house nearby?

Was there a vacant house nearby?

[Stellagant]

Anybody that has dogs knows that you cannot predict for sure when or if they will bark. Dogs have different barks for different situations. They even have a very sheepish expression that they use, when they accidentally use the wrong bark on one of their owners. MOO

anybody who has dogs knows if they bark when the owner comes home. They either do or they do not. It's laughable that you are trying to claim Jason pre-planned this murder and yet he didn't anticipate his dog would bark and wake his wife. Try again. Jason hasn't been charged for good reasons that seem to escape you.

[Stellagant]

Was there a vacant house nearby?

I think so and it was common knowledge in the 'hood.

[5swab5]

anybody who has dogs knows if they bark when the owner comes home. They either do or they do not. It's laughable that you are trying to claim Jason pre-planned this murder and yet he didn't anticipate his dog would bark and wake his wife. Try again. Jason hasn't been charged for good reasons that seem to escape you.

An owner would know what their dog routinely does when they greet them. Dogs are creatures of habit. But there is NO WAY to predict what a dog is going to do with someone skulking around the house in the middle of the night.

Do I think the dog barked? No, I do not. I don't think the dog barked because he knew it was Jason. Mr. Garrison would have barked at someone/ANYONE else and Michelle wouldn't have been caught so flat-footed. She may have even had time to call the police.

Yet another reason that points to one and only one person that could have entered the house, in the middle of the night, on Mr. Garrison's watch. MOO

[bsatis]

You are forgetting that Jason called Meredith and asked her to go to the house to retrieve a print out for an ebay item as a gift to his wife...a gift that would have been extremely late and an ebay item no longer available for bidding. But aside from all that ..........if Meredith killed her sister, why on earth would she have responded to her BIL's call and went to the scene of the crime the next day?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

IMO


Not to mention, it has now been said that she "ran over" to Birchleaf during one of her work breaks. If this is true, no way no how Meredith had anything to do with this (which most of us already know). She WOULD NOT go back to the scene of a crime she had anything to do with -- especially having to leave work to do it.

[5swab5]

Not to mention, it has now been said that she "ran over" to Birchleaf during one of her work breaks. If this is true, no way no how Meredith had anything to do with this (which most of us already know). She WOULD NOT go back to the scene of a crime she had anything to do with -- especially having to leave work to do it.

That pretzel logic has always escaped me too.

Meredith killed Michelle, yet is so accommodating that she returned to the scene of the crime to get a printout for Jason, when he called her out of the blue. DOH! MOO

[bsatis]

That pretzel logic has always escaped me too.

Meredith killed Michelle, yet is so accommodating that she returned to the scene of the crime to get a printout for Jason, when he called her out of the blue. DOH! MOO

Well, their thought has always been that she never received the call or that is not what he called about. But now, in the last SW, it said that it had been saved and transcribed. Well, that blows that out of the water.

If Meredith committed this murder, I am a 6ft tall, 120 lb super model. And I can assure all of you, I AM NOT.

[5swab5]

Well, their thought has always been that she never received the call or that is not what he called about. But now, in the last SW, it said that it had been saved and transcribed. Well, that blows that out of the water.

If Meredith committed this murder, I am a 6ft tall, 120 lb super model. And I can assure all of you, I AM NOT.

I don't understand why Meredith has been singled out in this case, because one has to ignore everything that points toward Jason to even look in her direction. But I do realize it isn't about who did this terrible thing to everyone, it is only anybody but Jason. MOO

[bsatis]

I don't understand why Meredith has been singled out in this case, because one has to ignore everything that points toward Jason to even look in her direction. But I do realize it isn't about who did this terrible thing to everyone, it is only anybody but Jason. MOO


Right. Anyone but Jason. That is why I am surprised they haven't started blaming the newspaper delivery person. You know, "he only saw something that looked like Jason's vehicle" because he was trying to frame him, didn't ya know?

[Tia]

I don't think there would be any foreign DNA. Jason IMO lawyered up because friends were calling him saying they are going to pin this on you. I think he lawyered up out of pure fear. Any body with an ounce of sense would.

His lawyer did a major disservice to an innocent man then. He has nothing left.


JMO

[bsatis]

His lawyer did a major disservice to an innocent man then. He has nothing left.


JMO

Right. Now, I have seen innocent men convicted, yes. But I have never seen an innocent and not indicted man just apathetically give up his good name (to be forever known as a slayer), his daughter, and 15.6 million dollars.

Ok, he didn't do it. Why let people walk all over him? Oh wait, he did do it.

[5swab5]

Do mothers of 2 year olds work till 3AM.

Mothers that have husbands that spend more time playing around, texting/phoning girlfriends and traveling to other States to visit said girl friend, work ALL the time. Someone has to keep the wolf away from the door. MOO

[5swab5]

I don't think there would be any foreign DNA. Jason IMO lawyered up because friends were calling him saying they are going to pin this on you. I think he lawyered up out of pure fear. Any body with an ounce of sense would.

There is no way that DNA wasn't present in that room after the battle that went down. We know from the SWs that Jason can't be excluded in one cited instance and that he is a match in another. No foreign DNA points straight at Jason, again. MOO

[5swab5]

Right. Now, I have seen innocent men convicted, yes. But I have never seen an innocent and not indicted man just apathetically give up his good name (to be forever known as a slayer), his daughter, and 15.6 million dollars.

Ok, he didn't do it. Why let people walk all over him? Oh wait, he did do it.

I think his attitude is "So", prove it.

It is apparent from his emails with Michelle and his treatment of her, that he had very little regard for her. By refusing to fight the WDS and ceding PRIMARY custody of Cassidy, he has broken a cardinal rule amongst family. He is pulling them down and indeed leaving them worse off than they were before the murders.

The altruistic thing to do would be to plea, but I can't see Jason doing that, even if going to trial means putting his parents out on the street. MOO

[Tia]

Right. Now, I have seen innocent men convicted, yes. But I have never seen an innocent and not indicted man just apathetically give up his good name (to be forever known as a slayer), his daughter, and 15.6 million dollars.

Ok, he didn't do it. Why let people walk all over him? Oh wait, he did do it.


There is no way to explain why he has just laid down and allowed himself to be treated like a murderer, unless of course, he is.

As someone posted yesterday, even when he is arrested, Meredith will still be blamed.

[5swab5]

There is no way to explain why he has just laid down and allowed himself to be treated like a murderer, unless of course, he is. (respectfully snipped)

ITA! There is no way that an innocent man would take all the accusations and defeats lying down. Removed as executor, declared a slayer, losing PRIMARY custody of Cassidy and then 15+ million dollars. Unbelievable! MOO

[Tia]

I think his attitude is "So", prove it.

It is apparent from his emails with Michelle and his treatment of her, that he had very little regard for her. By refusing to fight the WDS and ceding PRIMARY custody of Cassidy, he has broken a cardinal rule amongst family. He is pulling them down and indeed leaving them worse off than they were before the murders.

The altruistic thing to do would be to plea, but I can't see Jason doing that, even if going to trial means putting his parents out on the street. MOO

Thats what makes me most sad. IMO, he appears to treat everyone poorly, especially women. I have no doubt that the way he treated Michelle, he treated his own mother, girlfriends and eventually would have treated Cassidy. He seemed to be of the opinion that women were only put on this earth to serve his needs and be discarded when they are of no further use to him.

He is dragging everyone down to serve his own needs. Even his parents. I feel very bad for them.

JMO

[trucrime]

ITA! There is no way that an innocent man would take all the accusations and defeats lying down. Removed as executor, declared a slayer, losing PRIMARY custody of Cassidy and then 15+ million dollars. Unbelievable! MOO

ITA it just doesnt make sense. His actions you outlined above PLUS the CE that clearly implicates him in the murder of Michelle & Rylan. IMO.

[trucrime]

Mothers that have husbands that spend more time playing around, texting/phoning girlfriends and traveling to other States to visit said girl friend, work ALL the time. Someone has to keep the wolf away from the door. MOO

When my kids were little, sometimes I would be working until midnight or 1 AM at my office if we had a deadline... deadlines are deadlines... and its not like I didnt want to lose my job or something. Michelle was clearly a very responsible person. Progress Energy papers were found around the bed IIRC, she probably fell asleep working after her friend left. IMO.

[trucrime]

Someone large and strong would have killed her with one blow. I don't believe there were 30 different blows but will give you that.. I have always felt it was a woman . Maybe not her sister but a woman.

Have you ever tried to kill someone? How do you know? And, are the circumstances in your scenario the exact same as what happened at the Young's that night/early morning? Probably not. IMO a woman could NOT have done that, especially to a PREGNANT WOMAN who's your SISTER. IMO.

[trucrime]

Well, their thought has always been that she never received the call or that is not what he called about. But now, in the last SW, it said that it had been saved and transcribed. Well, that blows that out of the water.

If Meredith committed this murder, I am a 6ft tall, 120 lb super model. And I can assure all of you, I AM NOT.

Yeah and if she did, which she did not - Im an oompa loompa. IMO.

[trucrime]

Total agreement. That makes much more sense. But, Barbara2 is right. 'We' have no way of knowing whether the dog would bark or not. I can tell you one thing with certainty. I have a dog that ALWAYS barks at strangers and NEVER barks when me or any of my family members walk into the house. And, I've come home from work when my spouse and kids are sleeping many times. This is a fact.

We have a dog, when I come home late at night alone, it does NOT bark at all. When the rest of my family, alone or together, comes home late - it does NOT bark. IMO.

[Tia]

And it would be 'safer' to park on the street elsewhere at 2:30 am ?
Guess you need to scope out the area so you know there was no place to park without his vehicle being visible by a neighbor (trailer court of EO).

His plan was to slip in after 2:30 am and be out quickly.
Thankfully he was detained and the NY times delivery man saw the white SUV between 4-5 am.


So many coincendences in this case..........:wink:

[Tia]

Have you ever tried to kill someone? How do you know? And, are the circumstances in your scenario the exact same as what happened at the Young's that night/early morning? Probably not. IMO a woman could NOT have done that, especially to a PREGNANT WOMAN who's your SISTER. IMO.

Just another attempt to accuse Meredith while over-looking the CE regarding Jason.

What a horrible place for Jason to put Meredith by sending her to retrieve that document. I have been told she does not read here thank heavens! (no link) I am very glad she doesn't have to see the posts made by three people who don't even know her, yet accuse her daily of murdering her beloved sister.

JMO
IMO
MOO

[reborn]

When my kids were little, sometimes I would be working until midnight or 1 AM at my office if we had a deadline... deadlines are deadlines... and its not like I didnt want to lose my job or something. Michelle was clearly a very responsible person. Progress Energy papers were found around the bed IIRC, she probably fell asleep working after her friend left. IMO.


Not saying I don't believe you but is there a link to those PE papers.

[Tia]

Not saying I don't believe you but is there a link to those PE papers.

IIRC, It was part of Det. Spivey's statement when he was on the witness stand. It is most likely linked in one of the news reports from Monday.

[reborn]

Have you ever tried to kill someone? How do you know? And, are the circumstances in your scenario the exact same as what happened at the Young's that night/early morning? Probably not. IMO a woman could NOT have done that, especially to a PREGNANT WOMAN who's your SISTER. IMO.


I bet you also believe a sorority sis wouldn't sleep with your husband? Well women do all kinds of unbelievable things. We've seen it all in this case.

[reborn]

Right. Now, I have seen innocent men convicted, yes. But I have never seen an innocent and not indicted man just apathetically give up his good name (to be forever known as a slayer), his daughter, and 15.6 million dollars.

Ok, he didn't do it. Why let people walk all over him? Oh wait, he did do it.


Maybe after another year or so another det. will be given the case. That Det. will look at everyone that could have been involved. Maybe then there will be justice for Michelle.

[bsatis]

I bet you also believe a sorority sis wouldn't sleep with your husband? Well women do all kinds of unbelievable things. We've seen it all in this case.

Oh...so now a soriority sister did it?

Women can do many of things, sometimes foolish. Most of the time it doesn't involve murder.

And to be quite honest, I know some soriority sisters that would sleep with each other's husbands.

[bsatis]

Maybe after another year or so another det. will be given the case. That Det. will look at everyone that could have been involved. Maybe then there will be justice for Michelle.


IMO, Spivey is doing a fine job. I believe it is the DA that is dragging their feet. And, I happen to believe that in some small way, justice has already been served. Not the criminal kind that I hope is yet to come, but like Tia keeps saying, Jason has been to a penniless soon to be very part-time father who is living with his mom.

[Tia]

I bet you also believe a sorority sis wouldn't sleep with your husband? Well women do all kinds of unbelievable things. We've seen it all in this case.

:confused:

Yes, blame all the women, poor Jason was framed:rolleyes:

[Tia]

Maybe after another year or so another det. will be given the case. That Det. will look at everyone that could have been involved. Maybe then there will be justice for Michelle.

So, its MM's fault for sleeping with Jason, Meredith's fault that Michelle is dead and Det. Spivey's fault that Meredith still hasn't been arrested?

Just want to make sure I have it right.


JMO

[5swab5]

So, its MM's fault for sleeping with Jason, Meredith's fault that Michelle is dead and Det. Spivey's fault that Meredith still hasn't been arrested?

Just want to make sure I have it right.
JMO

And Miller's fault that Jason can't do yard work and watch Cassidy at the same time. MOO

[Tia]

And Miller's fault that Jason can't do yard work and watch Cassidy at the same time. MOO

Everyone's fault but Jason's.

Even though the SW detail how cruel he was to Michelle in life, and just as cruel in her death.

He hated her IMO. He wanted her and Rylan out of the way so that he could "move on". IMO he attempted to murder Cassidy as well with the adult meds, but that didn't go as planned.

JMO

[bsatis]

Another reason against the pre~med would be, how could someone go eat dinner when they knew within 6 hours they were going to kill someone?

When did Jason turn into the seasoned cold blooded killer that could do that?

I would imagine he would be a nervous wreck and food would be the last thing on his mind........
It just doesn't add up .

JMO

Kat


Just ask yourself what kind of human could commit murder? If they are the type to get nervous or anxious about it, they probably aren't going to commit it. IMO, if you are capable of committing murder, you are capable of eating in advance of it. I mean, if he had been planning it for two weeks...do you want him to fast for two weeks? When is an acceptable time to stop eating? Is there a rule like "when getting ready to commit murder you must stop eating 12 hours before planned heinous act." Nope. Didn't think so.

YOU would be a nervous wreck and food would be the last thing on YOUR mind, but you aren't the killer are ya?

[Tia]

Just ask yourself what kind of human could commit murder? If they are the type to get nervous or anxious about it, they probably aren't going to commit it. IMO, if you are capable of committing murder, you are capable of eating in advance of it. I mean, if he had been planning it for two weeks...do you want him to fast for two weeks? When is an acceptable time to stop eating? Is there a rule like "when getting ready to commit murder you must stop eating 12 hours before planned heinous act." Nope. Didn't think so.

YOU would be a nervous wreck and food would be the last thing on YOUR mind, but you aren't the killer are ya?

Right. A murder's mind works much differently than ours. If you are crazy enough to commit a murder, you sure are capable of sitting down to an hour long meal before doing it.

JMO

[Jules2]

You would think a devastated husband would have contributed in every way he knew how in order to find his wife's killer....but he didn't.

Placed a headstone on his wife's grave.....but he didn't

Attend the numerous memorials in his wife's name......nope.

Fight for FULL custody of his daughter.....wrong.

Instead, he slapped pictures of himself and his daughter on Craig's List in order to get dates, went on vacations and returned Christmas gifts intended for Cassidy. All things that say he was trying to distance himself from her memory and her family.

Definitely not typical behavior for someone who is supposedly grieving for his loss. IMO

So....stopping to eat a meal prior to committing a murder is just one more non-typical behavior on Jason's part.


It shouldn't surprise anyone, as pretty much everything this man has done has been non-typical. IMO

[bsatis]

No one said anything about a sorority sister killing Michelle, where did you get that from?

Looks like another weekend without an arrest, how many weekends is that now, about 120 of them, if you are counting.....

Kat

I have my own calendar, thanks. How long did it take you to do that math, anyways?

[Tia]

You would think a devastated husband would have contributed in every way he knew how in order to find his wife's killer....but he didn't.

Placed a headstone on his wife's grave.....but he didn't

Attend the numerous memorials in his wife's name......nope.

Fight for FULL custody of his daughter.....wrong.

Instead, he slapped pictures of himself and his daughter on Craig's List in order to get dates, went on vacations and returned Christmas gifts intended for Cassidy. All things that say he was trying to distance himself from her memory and her family.

Definitely not typical behavior for someone who is supposedly grieving for his loss. IMO

So....stopping to eat a meal prior to committing a murder is just one more non-typical behavior on Jason's part.


It shouldn't surprise anyone, as pretty much everything this man has done has been non-typical. IMO

His own behavior has made him look guilty, IMO.

[Tia]

I have my own calendar, thanks. How long did it take you to do that math, anyways?

:biggrin:

So he hasn't been arrested, is it completely overlooked that he has lost EVERYTHING, not even bothered to fight for one single thing?

IMO, its over. He may or may not be arrested, but Cassidy is away from him for the most part and he can't profit from Michelle's death.

Jason Young has been the named slayer of Michelle for how many days?

[Jules2]

I have my own calendar, thanks. How long did it take you to do that math, anyways?


I have my own calendar as well, bsatis. 120 weekends that a little girl has been without her mom. 120 weekends a mother has been without her daughter and a sister has been without her best friend. That number will always continue to grow. The days will amount to years and years until eternity. The number will never stop climbing. That's the only "number" I even care about, and the only number that should be of any significance to anyone who has a heart.

Jason's days of freedom mean nothing to me. He'll have his own date with eternity one day..............


IMO

[bsatis]

I have my own calendar as well, bsatis. 120 weekends that a little girl has been without her mom. 120 weekends a mother has been without her daughter and a sister has been without her best friend. That number will always continue to grow. The days will amount to years and years until eternity. The number will never stop climbing. That's the only "number" I even care about, and the only number that should be of any significance to anyone who has a heart.

Jason's days of freedom mean nothing to me. He'll have his own date with eternity one day..............


IMO


Nicely put, Jules. :sad:

[5swab5]

Right. A murder's mind works much differently than ours. If you are crazy enough to commit a murder, you sure are capable of sitting down to an hour long meal before doing it.

JMO

Might as well give it up. If Jason hadn't eaten at the Cracker Barrel, some would say he would have been too weak to commit the murders.

If he had eaten the casserole, he couldn't have murdered them, because everyone knows how sleepy good homemade food makes you.

The excuses go on and on and on. The slayer is the only one in this whole fiasco that can do no wrong. :rolleyes: MOO

[RoxyWest]

Right. A murder's mind works much differently than ours. If you are crazy enough to commit a murder, you sure are capable of sitting down to an hour long meal before doing it.

JMO

ITA, We've seen the case of a man who could dispose of his wife and unborn child on Christmas Eve, so to believe a man could have a nice meal before murdering his wife and unborn child isn't a stretch at all.

JMO

[Tia]

Might as well give it up. If Jason hadn't eaten at the Cracker Barrel, some would say he would have been too weak to commit the murders.

If he had eaten the casserole, he couldn't have murdered them, because everyone knows how sleepy good homade food makes you.

The excuses go on and on and on. The slayer is the only one in this whole fiasco that can do no wrong. :rolleyes: MOO

They can make excuse after excuse for Jason day in and day out-thats what the boards are for, and in this case, the excuses for Jason are very lame, IMO.

Also to blame Meredith is just rediculous and is done out of pure hatred for her for whatever reason, IMO.

[Leanne Weich]

No, not at all, a hamburger, fries and a large drink could have been enough, and he would still have a receipt from a fast food place.

I don't think that someone would choose a friendly, family restaurant known for their home cooking, for their final meal before they murdered someone.........he had to look around him and see other families enjoying dinner and be reminded that he was about to destroy his own?

I just want to know why CB was his choice, and why not an Outback, or a Hooters?

Unless he was meeting someone else there, who had a family?


Kat

Kat, do you honestly believe that if someone is capable of murdering his wife and unborn child, he's give a thought to the significance of families having a meal around him? I honestly don't and think CB was part of his plan to make him look like a wholesome family man. His thought process was probably much like yours, imo.


Kat[/QUOTE]

[bsatis]

No, not at all, a hamburger, fries and a large drink could have been enough, and he would still have a receipt from a fast food place.

I don't think that someone would choose a friendly, family restaurant known for their home cooking, for their final meal before they murdered someone.........he had to look around him and see other families enjoying dinner and be reminded that he was about to destroy his own?

I just want to know why CB was his choice, and why not an Outback, or a Hooters?

Unless he was meeting someone else there, who had a family?


Kat

A fast food meal would have made him get too far from Raleigh. And someone would be saying, "See, he ate a quick meal because he wanted to get on his way and turn in for the night."

As for you asking about Outback -- that is an even weightier meal than CB. So, you would have been ok with Outback but not CB?

And, do we know even what restaurants he had a choice of?

I mean, seriously....nothing that we say will change your mind, so perhaps you can stop asking or we will stop answering.

[trucrime]

They can make excuse after excuse for Jason day in and day out-thats what the boards are for, and in this case, the excuses for Jason are very lame, IMO.

Also to blame Meredith is just rediculous and is done out of pure hatred for her for whatever reason, IMO.

ITA. Some here will support him long after he's arrested & convicted, continuing to make up excuses. The stories that are made up, especially about Meredith are ridiculous. Its just bait really. IMO.

[trucrime]

A fast food meal would have made him get too far from Raleigh. And someone would be saying, "See, he ate a quick meal because he wanted to get on his way and turn in for the night."

As for you asking about Outback -- that is an even weightier meal than CB. So, you would have been ok with Outback but not CB?

And, do we know even what restaurants he had a choice of?

I mean, seriously....nothing that we say will change your mind, so perhaps you can stop asking or we will stop answering.

That's pretty much true. IMO.

[trucrime]

ITA, We've seen the case of a man who could dispose of his wife and unborn child on Christmas Eve, so to believe a man could have a nice meal before murdering his wife and unborn child isn't a stretch at all.

JMO

That's a really good point. Its not a stretch, IMO.

[trucrime]

No one said anything about a sorority sister killing Michelle, where did you get that from?

Looks like another weekend without an arrest, how many weekends is that now, about 120 of them, if you are counting.....

Kat

Back to counting. I think only you do that, IMO.

[jerzeegirl]

Right. A murder's mind works much differently than ours. If you are crazy enough to commit a murder, you sure are capable of sitting down to an hour long meal before doing it.

JMO

we can all use the casey anthony case to compare what murderers do before and after murdering their loved ones. CA was partying before, after, maybe during the time that she killed her daughter. Murderers dont think like we do. They dont rationalize. And yes, they do get hungry.

[Tia]

ITA. Some here will support him long after he's arrested & convicted, continuing to make up excuses. The stories that are made up, especially about Meredith are ridiculous. Its just bait really. IMO.

Very true. Its simply bait to get us to react and break the TOS.

I honestly can't believe with all the CE surrounding Jason, anyone here believes that Meredith did it!!

JMO

[Tia]

we can all use the casey anthony case to compare what murderers do before and after murdering their loved ones. CA was partying before, after, maybe during the time that she killed her daughter. Murderers dont think like we do. They dont rationalize. And yes, they do get hungry.

And blaming Meredith is as bizarre as Casey blaming Zanny the Nanny IMO.

[Jules2]

Very true. Its simply bait to get us to react and break the TOS.

I honestly can't believe with all the CE surrounding Jason, anyone here believes that Meredith did it!!

JMO

And to think there are message board posters who believe they are smarter than trained LE professionals! The same LE professionals who have called JLY the primary suspect. How many SW's are there now that pertain to Jason vs. those that pertain to Meredith?

Now those are numbers I find more relevant than numbers of days JLY has remained a free man.

IMO

And for those hung up on numbers........SW's pertaining to Meredith are zero.

[5swab5]

Kat, do you honestly believe that if someone is capable of murdering his wife and unborn child, he's give a thought to the significance of families having a meal around him? I honestly don't and think CB was part of his plan to make him look like a wholesome family man. His thought process was probably much like yours, imo.


I think Jeffrey Dahmer is proof positive that there is no set rule on what to eat or not eat before committing murders.:scared: MOO

[bsatis]

The day the cuffs and chains go on Jason Young, if and when that ever happens, this fan will be cancelling membership in his club.

Hope this helps.
Kat


So, you are admitting that you are in the fan club of a man who cheats, lies, tells his wife "I could kill u," and complains about his poor little two year old wetting herself with quite vulgar language?

Even if he didn't murder his wife, I would be ashamed to be part of that fan club.

[Jules2]

And the person who murdered Michelle is also demented.

I'd mention his name, but I'm sure you already know who I think it is.

IMO

[bsatis]

Emails can be taken out of context, and we don't know what the circumstances were..

That is my choice, and if you continue to harass or insult posters who have different opinions or need more time to decide on a man's guilt, maybe you should skip over their posts.
:no:
Thanxxxxxxxx.
Kat


I was merely responding to what you wrote. You said it, not me. I am not harrassing you -- I was just saying, I personally would not be part of that fan club.

Like I said -- it has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence. It has to do with FACTS we already know. FACT -- he had an affair. FACT -- he typed the words "I could kill u" and the stuff he said about C.

Your opinion can differ and does. I was basing MY OPINION on not wanting to be part of that fan club not on the murder, but the other stuff we NOW KNOW to be true.

Hope that helps.

[trucrime]

So, I guess it is normal to have a case go on so long, almost 2 and 1/2
years with the civil court ruling proceeding any criminal charges?

A case where the body was found within hours?
In their own home?

Not placed in a bay, or a hiking trail, or woods where evidence could be destroyed or damaged?

You think that this is a normal amount of time that has passed in solving this case and bringing justice home for Michelle?

Cool, but I bet the people who knew her and loved her don't agree.
I don't think her neighbors in Enchanted Oaks agree.
I don't think her sorority sisters agree.
And, I don't think people in L E would agree.
:shrug:

Kat


Yes Kat, we get its been a while since the crime. We get "why havent they arrested him yet". They're still working on it. I feel confident they'll arrest him at some point in the future. As far as the family goes, they seem to be satisfied with the investigation. They know Det. Spivey is working hard to bring this case to trial.

Sorority sisters? Like Michelle Money, the woman Jason was cheating on Michelle with behind her back? Dont think she cares one bit about Michelle Young. IMO.

[trucrime]

And blaming Meredith is as bizarre as Casey blaming Zanny the Nanny IMO.

That is a brilliant example Tia.

[Tia]

So, you are admitting that you are in the fan club of a man who cheats, lies, tells his wife "I could kill u," and complains about his poor little two year old wetting herself with quite vulgar language?

Even if he didn't murder his wife, I would be ashamed to be part of that fan club.


To be fair, I think its very possible, that some posters may feel that the way Jason treated his wife and child is "normal". Maybe they are used to being treated that way by their spouses as well and see nothing wrong with what he did?

Just like the poster who said maybe Michelle and Meredith had a "physical confrontation" and Michelle wound up dead, maybe in that poster's world, adult siblings physically attack eachother all the time and this is considered "normal".

JMO

[5swab5]

So, you are admitting that you are in the fan club of a man who cheats, lies, tells his wife "I could kill u," and complains about his poor little two year old wetting herself with quite vulgar language?

Even if he didn't murder his wife, I would be ashamed to be part of that fan club.


You got that right!

So far, we have not heard one socially redeeming quality that Jason possesses. I would beg to be black balled from that club.

I'm sure Vlad the Impaler had his champions too. :scared:MOO

[Tia]

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/blogpost/4782635/

[Tia]

You got that right!

So far, we have not heard one socially redeeming quality that Jason possesses. I would beg to be black balled from that club.

I'm sure Vlad the Impaler had his champions too. :scared:MOO


Someone married Lyle Menedez......she was a pen pal of his while he was in jail for the murder of his parents.

Some may becoming personally attached to Jason at this point, who knows.

JMO

[gbmy]

According to the newspaper delivery person, right in the driveway.
I was asking for opinions on where people thought someone planning to kill their spouse in the wee hours of the morning would likely park their car. That was a general question. I very much understand that the newspaper delivery man saw a car that looked like Jason's in their driveway at Birchleaf.

[gbmy]

Most dogs do bark at intruders but it is also possible Michelle herself heard someone walking up the stairs. I never said "we" would know whether their dog would bark, I said Jason would know and would plan accordingly if he pre-planned this murder and I don't believe he did. He would have no problem silencing his own dog even if it did bark. He would have no problem over-powering his wife if she awakened. The pre-planning scenario just doesn't fit Jason Young.
I agree with you.

[gbmy]

The newspaper delivery person describes a vehicle, not unlike Jason's in the driveway. The only person that could have driven up to that house in the middle of the night without fear of drawing attention, is Jason. His was one of the only two cars that belonged there.

He is also the only one that could or would turn on all the lights, get past the dog, bathe and give Cassidy watered down adult meds, etc, etc,etc. MOO
So, generally speaking, you think it makes sense for a spouse to drive up his own driveway and park there in the wee hours of the morning when he planned to kill his/her spouse? This is a general question not a specific one about Jason.

[gbmy]

An owner would know what their dog routinely does when they greet them. Dogs are creatures of habit. But there is NO WAY to predict what a dog is going to do with someone skulking around the house in the middle of the night.

Do I think the dog barked? No, I do not. I don't think the dog barked because he knew it was Jason. Mr. Garrison would have barked at someone/ANYONE else and Michelle wouldn't have been caught so flat-footed. She may have even had time to call the police.

Yet another reason that points to one and only one person that could have entered the house, in the middle of the night, on Mr. Garrison's watch. MOO
So, if you don't think the dog barked, what would be your theory as to what point Michelle was LIKELY awoken? Lots of POSSIBILITIES, but I'd be interested in understanding what you think are likely given everything you know.

[gbmy]

ITA! There is no way that an innocent man would take all the accusations and defeats lying down. Removed as executor, declared a slayer, losing PRIMARY custody of Cassidy and then 15+ million dollars. Unbelievable! MOO
Yes, you're right. This is troubling. It is also, however, consistent with his lawyer's approach in trying to make sure he is not falsely indicted and sentenced to death. You get into the circular discussion about why his lawyer is not trying to 'prove his innocence' to clear him vs. letting LE prove his guilt. Common sense tells me that lawyers should do the former, but they've got lots of schooling in that field that I/we don't.

[5swab5]

So, generally speaking, you think it makes sense for a spouse to drive up his own driveway and park there in the wee hours of the morning when he planned to kill his/her spouse? This is a general question not a specific one about Jason.

I don't think murder makes any sense whatsoever, but I do believe it makes sense for Jason and Jason alone to park in the driveway. Jason's car belonged there, it would not draw any attention from anyone that did see it. Neighbors may very well have noticed or been alerted to a strange car in the area or a shadowy figure out and about in the middle of the night.

We will never know what he originally had planned, it sounds like his SUV was backed in, was he going to strangle Michelle and then load her up...just to have her disappear?

He had his little out of town alibi all set up, got his mommie on one end saying that he was going to swing by, he's got Meredith on the other end to rescue Cassidy or just discover the body(s). And we have his little sweet thang on the phone with him, possibly iterating how much she hopes to have his baby.

What we don't know, is whether the beating was Plan A or Plan B. and whether or not Cassidy was meant to die too. Since Jason never asked about her when talking to LE, admitted to his mother giving Cassidy watered down adult meds and recently ceded PRIMARY physical custody of her, I am inclined to believe that she was. MOO

[5swab5]

So, if you don't think the dog barked, what would be your theory as to what point Michelle was LIKELY awoken? Lots of POSSIBILITIES, but I'd be interested in understanding what you think are likely given everything you know.

I'm not so sure she was awake, at least not initially. The first blow could have been in the dark...to avoid waking her. MOO

[gbmy]

I don't think murder makes any sense whatsoever, but I do believe it makes sense for Jason and Jason alone to park in the driveway. Jason's car belonged there, it would not draw any attention from anyone that did see it. Neighbors may very well have noticed or been alerted to a strange car in the area or a shadowy figure out and about in the middle of the night.

We will never know what he originally had planned, it sounds like his SUV was backed in, was he going to strangle Michelle and then load her up...just to have her disappear?

He had his little out of town alibi all set up, got his mommie on one end saying that he was going to swing by, he's got Meredith on the other end to rescue Cassidy or just discover the body(s). And we have his little sweet thang on the phone with him, possibly iterating how much she hopes to have his baby.

What we don't know, is whether the beating was Plan A or Plan B. and whether or not Cassidy was meant to die too. Since Jason never asked about her when talking to LE, admitted to his mother giving Cassidy watered down adult meds and recently ceded PRIMARY physical custody of her, I am inclined to believe that she was. MOO
Thanks. You answered my question. Basically saying that a spouse who planned murdering his/her spouse would likely park their car in their own driveway in the wee hours of the a.m, do the deed, and then leave. The good lord made us all see things in unique ways. If we all saw things the same way, life would be pretty dull.

[Cardinal]

So, generally speaking, you think it makes sense for a spouse to drive up his own driveway and park there in the wee hours of the morning when he planned to kill his/her spouse? This is a general question not a specific one about Jason.

IF Jason killed Michelle, I think he parked at the EO clubhouse, thinking to slip in and slip out. I think when it didn't go that way, and he had clothes/shoes and other things to dispose of, he retrieved his car and parked it in the driveway to load it.

JMO

[achristie]

Thanks. You answered my question. Basically saying that a spouse who planned murdering his/her spouse would likely park their car in their own driveway in the wee hours of the a.m, do the deed, and then leave. The good lord made us all see things in unique ways. If we all saw things the same way, life would be pretty dull.

Looking at overhead photos of the house, it appears that the driveway is long enough, and tucked back in the trees to avoid really being seen from the road. I lived in a similar neighborhood; the houses are set apart, the area is dark and quiet in the middle of the night. Unless one were to get up for whatever reason, no neighbor would be the wiser. Yes, the Good Lord provides us with many things; hope being one. You have hope that JY did not commit this terrible act. Sadly, I think he did. He not only destroyed MY's life but countless others. That ripple effect.

MOO Aggie

[Cardinal]

So, if you don't think the dog barked, what would be your theory as to what point Michelle was LIKELY awoken? Lots of POSSIBILITIES, but I'd be interested in understanding what you think are likely given everything you know.

I think Michelle was awakened during the strangulation attempt, and fought back, resulting in the blows to her head.

ETA: That's also one of the many reasons I DON'T think Michelle's death resulted from a sibling fight. That scenario doesn't lend itself to a strangulation attempt, IMO.

[trucrime]

Yes, you're right. This is troubling. It is also, however, consistent with his lawyer's approach in trying to make sure he is not falsely indicted and sentenced to death. You get into the circular discussion about why his lawyer is not trying to 'prove his innocence' to clear him vs. letting LE prove his guilt. Common sense tells me that lawyers should do the former, but they've got lots of schooling in that field that I/we don't.

Common sense tells me that an innocent man would never give up custody of his daughter willingly. OR take a $15.6 million judgement.

Also, Jason didnt have representation in the civil suit. Never responded. He had limited attorney representation for the custody suit, "limited" meaning they never went to a full hearing & settled. The initial attorney he retained when he first lawyered up is not the same one as the custody suit. Perhaps he got some advice re the civil case, but I dont see any record of that from the news either way (so it could have, or could not have happened). IMO.

[trucrime]

And, I get that Jason has been named a slayer by not responding to a civil suit, and I get that Jason agreed to a custody agreement with Michelle's sister before it went to court.

What I don't get is why he has not been arrested, if you think he did it.

Kat

I know Kat, Ive seen you repeat the same thought of "why hasnt he been arrested" quite a bit. All's I can say is LE is still working on the case. Im pretty sure an arrest will come. Sure most arrests for murder cases come before this length of time but its not unheard of for an investigation to take this long if not longer. Sometimes it happens. IMO.

[jerzeegirl]

I know Kat, Ive seen you repeat the same thought of "why hasnt he been arrested" quite a bit. All's I can say is LE is still working on the case. Im pretty sure an arrest will come. Sure most arrests for murder cases come before this length of time but its not unheard of for an investigation to take this long if not longer. Sometimes it happens. IMO.


Hi True, no worries, justice is being served as we speak, he has lost everything but his freedom. I wouldnt want to be jason young right now. Or ever. But dont worry, things happen for a reason, justice is being served and there may be more to come hopefully. Thats all i can do is hope that the slayer of michelle is behind bars once and for all.

[Tia]

ITA, We've seen the case of a man who could dispose of his wife and unborn child on Christmas Eve, so to believe a man could have a nice meal before murdering his wife and unborn child isn't a stretch at all.

JMO


He also took time to cook up a Christmas dinner too!