View Full Version : Michelle Fisher Young 3-18-09
Hi True, no worries, justice is being served as we speak, he has lost everything but his freedom. I wouldnt want to be jason young right now. Or ever. But dont worry, things happen for a reason, justice is being served and there may be more to come hopefully. Thats all i can do is hope that the slayer of michelle is behind bars once and for all.
ITA, what kind of life is Jason living now?
jerzeegirl
03-20-2009, 09:59 PM
ITA, what kind of life is Jason living now?
he may as well just move to puerto rico, thats the only place in the usa that people dont know he is a slayer. But i dont believe he can even afford the plane ticket.
achristie
03-20-2009, 10:02 PM
he may as well just move to puerto rico, thats the only place in the usa that people dont know he is a slayer. But i dont believe he can even afford the plane ticket.
Nor can he afford counsel.
He has none as far as I know.
MOO Aggie
he may as well just move to puerto rico, thats the only place in the usa that people dont know he is a slayer. But i dont believe he can even afford the plane ticket.
Its time to pull his passport.
Nor can he afford counsel.
He has none as far as I know.
MOO Aggie
And certainly won't be able to afford any from here on out.
I know Kat, Ive seen you repeat the same thought of "why hasnt he been arrested" quite a bit. All's I can say is LE is still working on the case. Im pretty sure an arrest will come. Sure most arrests for murder cases come before this length of time but its not unheard of for an investigation to take this long if not longer. Sometimes it happens. IMO.
The pieces are falling into place. IMO, they are going for the DP, which will require all bases to be covered. It may take longer, but in the end, it will be worth it to ensure that Jason Young is never a free man again.
Jester
03-20-2009, 10:44 PM
And, I get that Jason has been named a slayer by not responding to a civil suit, and I get that Jason agreed to a custody agreement with Michelle's sister before it went to court.
What I don't get is why he has not been arrested, if you think he did it.
Kat
Right. I think you said that before. How many days are we up to now?
Jester
03-20-2009, 10:47 PM
It is hard to say, really.
I have trouble with all the lights being on and drawing attention to the home in the middle of the nite too.
Why not slip away in the dark, plus, couldn't Jason have used the garage to hide his car?
Think about this, when he was leaving, he could have told Michelle to leave her car in the driveway so it would appear someone was home, while he was away, and then part of the garage would have been free for him to sneak his car back into.
Oh, that pre~med plan has so many openings!!
Kat
Think about it. The garage door was not working properly, so Jason couldn't have used the garage without warning the home's occupants that someone was entering the garage. Although this murder investigation has been active for more than two years, there's no reason to forget the early information.
What should Jason have told Michelle when he was leaving?
Wasn't she murdered on the floor?
Jester
03-20-2009, 10:48 PM
Yep, at least you are a guy, and don't get accused of all the things we do for keeping an open mind about a case!!
At least, I don't think you are in Jason's type , j/k.........:biggrin:
Kat
What are you saying?
Jester
03-20-2009, 10:52 PM
Huh?
In almost every article, it has stated that Roger Smith Jr, is his attorney.
Check out WRAL.......
"Neither Jason or his attorney, Roger Smith, Jr.commented on the hearing,"
Or, "Neither Jason and his attorney attended the hearing."
Or,"Roger Smith has declined to comment on the latest decision"
and so forth.
Where do you get the idea that Jason no longer has legal rep?
In the custody suit, he had representation also, from the same firm, when asking for a postponement and change of venue.
I would like to see a link saying that Jason is no longer retaining RSJ as counsel, thank you.
Kat
Court records indicate that Jason has been unrepresented in court until very late dates. In fact, court records indicate that he did not have a lawyer for the custody hearing until close to the court date, and then he signed a consent order to avoid appearing in court. He may well have retained a lawyer when his wife was murdered, but he was represented by a different lawyer in his last court hearing. That was before he did the most recent "no show."
Why does Jason need a lawyer? He doesn't have any pending custody hearings, and he hasn't been charged with murder. He paid for the advice he needed, and he's still mute. He doesn't need to pay a lawyer for two years while he remains mute.
Jester
03-20-2009, 10:52 PM
And, sometimes it doesn't..
And, until there is an arrest, and the board is open for discussion, that is what we get to do.
Discuss or argue the case reasonably within the terms and rules of TOS, without personal attacks or insults.
Kat
What are you trying to say?
trucrime
03-20-2009, 10:57 PM
Huh?
In almost every article, it has stated that Roger Smith Jr, is his attorney.
Check out WRAL.......
"Neither Jason or his attorney, Roger Smith, Jr.commented on the hearing,"
Or, "Neither Jason and his attorney attended the hearing."
Or,"Roger Smith has declined to comment on the latest decision"
and so forth.
Where do you get the idea that Jason no longer has legal rep?
In the custody suit, he had representation also, from the same firm, when asking for a postponement and change of venue.
I would like to see a link saying that Jason is no longer retaining RSJ as counsel, thank you.
Kat
As I said, Roger did help him out but was not representing him officially. Im sure they helped him with advice, but he never showed up at all to my knowledge.
Finding from Judge
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088144/32274-20081205174636577.pdf
The custody documents were all by Ms. Stubbs's firm.
IMO.
I can also find a news article that I think referenced the moment the court asked if Jason or his representatives showed up in the final judgment hearing for the WD suit, but no one replied. IMO.
trucrime
03-20-2009, 11:00 PM
And, sometimes it doesn't..
And, until there is an arrest, and the board is open for discussion, that is what we get to do.
Discuss or argue the case reasonably within the terms and rules of TOS, without personal attacks or insults.
Kat
Sorry you took that as an insult. I wasnt trying to attack you, and Im fully aware people report to moderator here. You asked me my opinion, I gave it to you. It was just an honest observation, because you've said something like that frequently, you seem to go back to that thought on the case which is fine. I didnt say you were some horrible person, or you were wrong for thinking that way, its just how it is. You clearly support Jason and I firmly think he's guilty - so obviously we're on two different sides of the fences. If you dont wish to engage in conversation where Im trying to be polite, just ignore me then. IMO.
Barbara2
03-20-2009, 11:00 PM
As I said, Roger did help him out but was not representing him officially. Im sure they helped him with advice, but he never showed up at all to my knowledge.
Finding from Judge
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088144/32274-20081205174636577.pdf
The custody documents were all by Ms. Stubbs's firm.
IMO.
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088144/32274-20081205174636577.pdf
I think that Ms. Stubbs is with the Smith firm.
Jester
03-20-2009, 11:11 PM
As I said, Roger did help him out but was not representing him officially. Im sure they helped him with advice, but he never showed up at all to my knowledge.
Finding from Judge
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088144/32274-20081205174636577.pdf
The custody documents were all by Ms. Stubbs's firm.
IMO.
I can also find a news article that I think referenced the moment the court asked if Jason or his representatives showed up in the final judgment hearing for the WD suit, but no one replied. IMO.
The last lawyer that represented him was Alice, and she was from the same office as the guy that told him to remain mute. I doubt either laywer has done him any favors, but if Jason likes their work, all the better for Cassidy.
kingbuff
03-20-2009, 11:31 PM
You know, we might be seeing something unique in criminal investigations. On the board, Spivey keeps punching holes in board theories, guesses. Why is that? Why does he care?
You think it's just a coincidence since board guessers and Spivey are interested in the same things? I think not. Spivey just having fun? Maybe. Spivey hoping Jason or someone will explain some of the 'evidence' he reveals? Maybe.
I've barely started a list of some 'corrections' Spivey has made through various search warrants, sometimes correcting previous warrants. You can add your own, if you'd like.
Board guess: Jason called Meredith about 7:30 am. Spivey: nope.
Board guess and previous SWs: Jason called Meredith in AM. Spivey: nope. Shortly after noon.
Board guess: Maybe Jason didn't call Meredith or didn't ask her to go to his house. Spivey: Nope. We have the message.
Board guess: it was a sudden crime of passion. Spivey: Nope. It was premed.
Board guess: Jason tried to strangle her. Spivey: Nope. He chased her around the room.
Board guess: Someone had to have taken care of Cassie: Spivey: Nope. She was drugged.
I think Michelle was awakened during the strangulation attempt, and fought back, resulting in the blows to her head.
ETA: That's also one of the many reasons I DON'T think Michelle's death resulted from a sibling fight. That scenario doesn't lend itself to a strangulation attempt, IMO.
If Michelle was lying down sound asleep, a failed strangulation attempt is hard for me to imagine.
Looking at overhead photos of the house, it appears that the driveway is long enough, and tucked back in the trees to avoid really being seen from the road. I lived in a similar neighborhood; the houses are set apart, the area is dark and quiet in the middle of the night. Unless one were to get up for whatever reason, no neighbor would be the wiser. Yes, the Good Lord provides us with many things; hope being one. You have hope that JY did not commit this terrible act. Sadly, I think he did. He not only destroyed MY's life but countless others. That ripple effect.
MOO Aggie
The newspaper man saw a car in the driveway from the road. Someone mentioned him parking in the EO clubhouse where the pool is. To me, that makes more sense.
Common sense tells me that an innocent man would never give up custody of his daughter willingly. OR take a $15.6 million judgement.
Also, Jason didnt have representation in the civil suit. Never responded. He had limited attorney representation for the custody suit, "limited" meaning they never went to a full hearing & settled. The initial attorney he retained when he first lawyered up is not the same one as the custody suit. Perhaps he got some advice re the civil case, but I dont see any record of that from the news either way (so it could have, or could not have happened). IMO.
Do you think his attorney (Mr. Smith) advised him one way or another about whether to show up for the civil hearing or not? Same question for the custody hearing. If yes, what do you think his reason was for giving that advice?
kingbuff
03-20-2009, 11:45 PM
More 'corrections' Spivey made to the board via search warrants. It's been a while since Spivey has posted on this board. Perhaps his boss didn't like it.
Board guess: Cassie's footprints only found in bathroom. Spivey: Nope. Some prints found around the body.
Board guess: More than one killer. Spivey: No answer. Maybe in the next SW.
Board guess: Meredith is a suspect. Spivey: Nope, sort of: Jason is the primary suspect.
Board guess: Jason told the cops he was in Virginia that night. Spivey: Nope. He gave no alibi for midnight to 7:40 am.
Board guess: Jason would need extra gas. Spivey: Gas usage inconsistent with test drive so he bought gas somewhere.
Board guess: Jason not late for meeting. Spivey: Nope. He was late....and nervous.
Board guess: Trip from Raleigh to motel took too long. Spivey: He stopped for supper, turning down a home meal.
Jester
03-21-2009, 12:02 AM
You know, we might be seeing something unique in criminal investigations. On the board, Spivey keeps punching holes in board theories, guesses. Why is that? Why does he care?
You think it's just a coincidence since board guessers and Spivey are interested in the same things? I think not. Spivey just having fun? Maybe. Spivey hoping Jason or someone will explain some of the 'evidence' he reveals? Maybe.
I've barely started a list of some 'corrections' Spivey has made through various search warrants, sometimes correcting previous warrants. You can add your own, if you'd like.
Board guess: Jason called Meredith about 7:30 am. Spivey: nope.
Board guess and previous SWs: Jason called Meredith in AM. Spivey: nope. Shortly after noon.
Board guess: Maybe Jason didn't call Meredith or didn't ask her to go to his house. Spivey: Nope. We have the message.
Board guess: it was a sudden crime of passion. Spivey: Nope. It was premed.
Board guess: Jason tried to strangle her. Spivey: Nope. He chased her around the room.
Board guess: Someone had to have taken care of Cassie: Spivey: Nope. She was drugged.
What do you mean by board theories? Wasn't a 4x2 foot chunk of board taken away? Was Jason's DNA found on the board?
You're right. Jason didn't call Meredith until 12:10 in the afternoon. Many assumed that it was earlier in the morning, as it was difficult to fathom that any father would wait until after noon to have his toddler daughter removed from a murder scene. After learning about the adult medication (stated to have been somehow diluted) with Cassidy's DNA; found in her bedroom, it became apparent why he was in no rush to have someone collect Cassidy. She was sleeping. The nice robber helped Cassidy sleep in her mother's bedroom after possibly drugging her, washing her feet, and carrying her away from her mother's body. Nice robber with no concerns about his daughter walking to the neighbor's house for help before noon.
I don't believe there was a strangulation attempt. The marks on the neck are more consistent with a grab hold than a strangulation. Were the neck marks on both sides of her neck, or only on one side? Jason intended to murder Michelle. He researched how blows to the head effected motor control in the weeks prior to the murder. He is a man that committed spousal homicide. Retracing his steps to Raleigh on November 2, 2006, he was pre-occupied with resentment. On the drive back to the hotel, he felt relieved, light-hearted, and unburdened. He spoke with his mother or tried to contact her 28 times in a four and a half hour span, and his girlfriend as soon as he was in phone range of where he should be given his story.
Are you doubting that it was premeditated if he did it?
5swab5
03-21-2009, 12:03 AM
More 'corrections' Spivey made to the board via search warrants. It's been a while since Spivey has posted on this board. Perhaps his boss didn't like it.(snip)
Link to Spivey EVER posting on IS or CTV boards! TIA
Jester
03-21-2009, 12:10 AM
Link to Spivey EVER posting on IS or CTV boards! TIA
Something about Lurkers?
5swab5
03-21-2009, 12:20 AM
Something about Lurkers?
Kingbuff put it out there as a statement of fact.
It's been a while since Spivey has posted on this board.
I do not believe it is true. Its only purpose is to mislead. If it is true, I'm sure he will be glad to supply a link. IF not, he needs to retract it. MOO
Stellagant
03-21-2009, 12:52 AM
More 'corrections' Spivey made to the board via search warrants. It's been a while since Spivey has posted on this board. Perhaps his boss didn't like it.
Board guess: Cassie's footprints only found in bathroom. Spivey: Nope. Some prints found around the body.
Board guess: More than one killer. Spivey: No answer. Maybe in the next SW.
Board guess: Meredith is a suspect. Spivey: Nope, sort of: Jason is the primary suspect.
Board guess: Jason told the cops he was in Virginia that night. Spivey: Nope. He gave no alibi for midnight to 7:40 am.
Board guess: Jason would need extra gas. Spivey: Gas usage inconsistent with test drive so he bought gas somewhere.
Board guess: Jason not late for meeting. Spivey: Nope. He was late....and nervous.
Board guess: Trip from Raleigh to motel took too long. Spivey: He stopped for supper, turning down a home meal.
Gosh, interesting points, all. But what it still represents is innuendo and not much more. Jason turned down a casserole, no big deal. And I don't know how, with all that blood on the carpet around the body, they claim they can distinguish little footprints. Or how that is evidence specifically against Jason. I have noticed that Spivey refuses to call Jason the "only suspect."
Stellagant
03-21-2009, 12:56 AM
You know, we might be seeing something unique in criminal investigations. On the board, Spivey keeps punching holes in board theories, guesses. Why is that? Why does he care?
You think it's just a coincidence since board guessers and Spivey are interested in the same things? I think not. Spivey just having fun? Maybe. Spivey hoping Jason or someone will explain some of the 'evidence' he reveals? Maybe.
I've barely started a list of some 'corrections' Spivey has made through various search warrants, sometimes correcting previous warrants. You can add your own, if you'd like.
Board guess: Jason called Meredith about 7:30 am. Spivey: nope.
Board guess and previous SWs: Jason called Meredith in AM. Spivey: nope. Shortly after noon.
Board guess: Maybe Jason didn't call Meredith or didn't ask her to go to his house. Spivey: Nope. We have the message.
Board guess: it was a sudden crime of passion. Spivey: Nope. It was premed.
Board guess: Jason tried to strangle her. Spivey: Nope. He chased her around the room.
Board guess: Someone had to have taken care of Cassie: Spivey: Nope. She was drugged.
About the voice message to Meredith: Have you noticed that Spivey hasn't confirmed with phone records the time it was received? Nor has he said where Meredith's phone was "pinging" when it was received?
luna24
03-21-2009, 12:57 AM
Tune in Saturday for New Info in Michelle Young Murder Investigation
We have a piece airing this Saturday on the Michelle Young murder investigation. If you’re able to watch it on Fox 50 during the 10 o'clock news, or after the games Saturday night on WRAL, you’ll find some information that’s never been reported before. We look at Jason Young’s relationships before and after his wife’s death, with some very interesting facts.
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/blogpost/4784025/
Hmm, I wonder what the new info on JY will be....
kingbuff
03-21-2009, 01:04 AM
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/blogpost/4784025/
Hmm, I wonder what the new info on JY will be....
More silly games with his super secret agents is my guess.
Stellagant
03-21-2009, 01:05 AM
Do you think his attorney (Mr. Smith) advised him one way or another about whether to show up for the civil hearing or not? Same question for the custody hearing. If yes, what do you think his reason was for giving that advice?
I think Smith's reason was that he viewed the WDS as an abuse of process by Fisher. Michelle's Will didn't name her as executrix. When one undertakes a legal proceeding under false pretenses, there can be consequences down the road. Same for the custody claim. It's my understanding that Michelle's Will didn't name either of the Fishers, it named someone else.
Jason has made it clear he trusts Smith and will continue to rely on his expertise, which apparently is considerable. Can't say that I blame him.
kingbuff
03-21-2009, 01:07 AM
About the voice message to Meredith: Have you noticed that Spivey hasn't confirmed with phone records the time it was received? Nor has he said where Meredith's phone was "pinging" when it was received?
You're right. Meredith said when she received it, not Spivey. Neither has said where she was when she received the call. Maybe we'll get that from the next SW.
Stellagant
03-21-2009, 01:15 AM
You're right. Meredith said when she received it, not Spivey. Neither has said where she was when she received the call. Maybe we'll get that from the next SW.
I think LE is sitting on any and all search warrants for Meredith and aren't returning them because the Judge made it clear he doesn't like sealing them. So, unfortunately we won't learn about them until her trial.
5swab5
03-21-2009, 01:20 AM
About the voice message to Meredith: Have you noticed that Spivey hasn't confirmed with phone records the time it was received? Nor has he said where Meredith's phone was "pinging" when it was received?
He can't be much more specific than November 3rd, 2006 at 1210 hours (12:10pm). Even elaborating, that the message has been saved and transcribed into the case records. So it would be silly to think that he just pulled the time out of thin air, he obviously had all the info right in front of him.
I'm sure Meredith cooperated and told him exactly where she was when Jason made his evil phone call. MOO
5swab5
03-21-2009, 01:25 AM
I think LE is sitting on any and all search warrants for Meredith and aren't returning them because the Judge made it clear he doesn't like sealing them. So, unfortunately we won't learn about them until her trial.
Never going to happen.:rolleyes:
But next Tuesday looks like a wonderful day for Jason to get his new bracelets, what with Cassidy out of Brevard and all. MOO
5swab5
03-21-2009, 01:32 AM
More silly games with his super secret agents is my guess.
Yep, every one is a villain, except Jason the slayer.
Where's that link to Investigator Spivey from the Wake County Sheriff's Office posting on this board? TIA
Jester
03-21-2009, 02:14 AM
Gosh, interesting points, all. But what it still represents is innuendo and not much more. Jason turned down a casserole, no big deal. And I don't know how, with all that blood on the carpet around the body, they claim they can distinguish little footprints. Or how that is evidence specifically against Jason. I have noticed that Spivey refuses to call Jason the "only suspect."
Totally agree - especially the part about how people on forums completely misconstrue facts.
You're right again. Forums represent little more than innuendo, speculation, absurd postulations, and immature finger pointing. Jason said he wasn't hungry for supper, but he was hungry after all, so, like a teenager, he skipped dinner and picked up some junk on the road. Innuendo that footprints made by a child in her mother's blood are hard to distinguish? Would that be an absurd postulation? Obviously it is ... good example, by the way ... the police would not describe the child's footprints as footprints made with her mother's blood if they were not footprints made with her mother's blood, or difficult to distinguish as footprints. What is your point again?
Warrants identify Jason Lynn Young as the primary suspect.
He is now, after more than two years, the primary suspect. Earlier warrants were less specific.
Jester
03-21-2009, 02:16 AM
You're right. Meredith said when she received it, not Spivey. Neither has said where she was when she received the call. Maybe we'll get that from the next SW.
Are we down to splitting hairs?
Jester
03-21-2009, 02:24 AM
I think Smith's reason was that he viewed the WDS as an abuse of process by Fisher. Michelle's Will didn't name her as executrix. When one undertakes a legal proceeding under false pretenses, there can be consequences down the road. Same for the custody claim. It's my understanding that Michelle's Will didn't name either of the Fishers, it named someone else.
Jason has made it clear he trusts Smith and will continue to rely on his expertise, which apparently is considerable. Can't say that I blame him.
I guess he's not much of a lawyer if he thought it was an "abuse of process" and then Jason completely gave away "the farm."
It matters not whom Michelle named. The recent court case (WDS) trumps any previous agreements.
That's great that Jason trusts Smith. Jason has remained mute according to Smith's advice. When the WDS suit was due, they both remained mute. When the custody case was due, Jason signed away the farm in order to remain mute. I like this law firm. They are looking after Cassidy.
I hope Jason continues to follow the Smith advice. Don't you?
Mute means he loses.
Jester
03-21-2009, 02:30 AM
I think LE is sitting on any and all search warrants for Meredith and aren't returning them because the Judge made it clear he doesn't like sealing them. So, unfortunately we won't learn about them until her trial.
What do you think the police need to search visa vie Meredith that hasn't already been consented?
reborn
03-21-2009, 10:27 AM
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/blogpost/4784025/
Hmm, I wonder what the new info on JY will be....
We know it won't be anything from LE. Its already been said here they don't leak information. We know its been reallllly kept a secret or someone would have already posted it. Maybe some more of the sorority sisters came forward. Maybe there wasn't just one. Maybe someone saw Jason hit Michelle. Maybe someone saw Michelle hit Jason. Only 12 more hrs. then we'll know.
reborn
03-21-2009, 10:31 AM
Wrong. Michelle's will appointed Linda successor Executor in the event that Jason failed to qualify. Jason failed to qualify, so Linda's appointment is valid.
Michelle's will appointed Heather as guardian in the event Jason did not survive her. Since he did, that appointment is irrelevant.
Could you elaborate on how Jason failed to qualify? According to WDS Jason preceded Michelle in death. Heather should have Cassie.
Doorbell
03-21-2009, 10:55 AM
What do you think the police need to search visa vie Meredith that hasn't already been consented?
She wants them to rip apart Meredith's house, looking for Michelle's engagement ring. And, if they don't find it there, she would like to get the police in Linda's home town to tear her house up in case Meredith hid it there.
IMO
5swab5
03-21-2009, 11:30 AM
Could you elaborate on how Jason failed to qualify? According to WDS Jason preceded Michelle in death. Heather should have Cassie.
Don't know about failure to qualify, but he was derelict in his duties. One of the first responsibilities, is to pay the funeral expenses. He has yet to do that. I guess Puerto Rico was more important. MOO
Doorbell
03-21-2009, 12:08 PM
Don't know about failure to qualify, but he was derelict in his duties. One of the first responsibilities, is to pay the funeral expenses. He has yet to do that. I guess Puerto Rico was more important. MOO
Did he submit her Will for probate in a timely fashion? Failure to do that would also show dereliction of duty, in my opinion.
jerzeegirl
03-21-2009, 12:09 PM
Could you elaborate on how Jason failed to qualify? According to WDS Jason preceded Michelle in death. Heather should have Cassie.
Heather cant "have" cassie if she doesnt file for custody. Are there any court documents showing that heather filed a custody suit? You dont just "have" cassie because it says it in someones will. Things have to go thru the court system.
5swab5
03-21-2009, 12:15 PM
Did he submit her Will for probate in a timely fashion? Failure to do that would also show dereliction of duty, in my opinion.
Don't you have to go to Court for that? Don't think he is getting within a country mile of a Court, until he is in cuffs and shackles. He wouldn't even go for Cassidy. :crying: MOO
trucrime
03-21-2009, 03:19 PM
Heather cant "have" cassie if she doesnt file for custody. Are there any court documents showing that heather filed a custody suit? You dont just "have" cassie because it says it in someones will. Things have to go thru the court system.
That's correct, if Heather wants to get custody she'll have to go through the courts. Im sure Meredith is aware of this possibility and would pass any inspection or interview. Id have to wonder though, why would Heather suddenly care enough to go after custody. IMO.
trucrime
03-21-2009, 03:20 PM
Did he submit her Will for probate in a timely fashion? Failure to do that would also show dereliction of duty, in my opinion.
Also pawning off the funeral and headstone on Linda. What kind of decent & loving husband does that? IMO.
trucrime
03-21-2009, 03:21 PM
Yep, every one is a villain, except Jason the slayer.
Where's that link to Investigator Spivey from the Wake County Sheriff's Office posting on this board? TIA
I doubt you'll ever see it but JMO.
reborn
03-21-2009, 03:21 PM
She wants them to rip apart Meredith's house, looking for Michelle's engagement ring. And, if they don't find it there, she would like to get the police in Linda's home town to tear her house up in case Meredith hid it there.
IMO
LE ripped apart Jason's moms house. LE ripped apart Jason's sisters house. What is different between them and Meredith? I remember now Meredith is LE's friend.
reborn
03-21-2009, 03:23 PM
That's correct, if Heather wants to get custody she'll have to go through the courts. Im sure Meredith is aware of this possibility and would pass any inspection or interview. Id have to wonder though, why would Heather suddenly care enough to go after custody. IMO.
I don't think she would.
Doorbell
03-21-2009, 03:47 PM
Don't you have to go to Court for that? Don't think he is getting within a country mile of a Court, until he is in cuffs and shackles. He wouldn't even go for Cassidy. :crying: MOO
A lawyer can do it for you.
Doorbell
03-21-2009, 03:49 PM
LE ripped apart Jason's moms house. LE ripped apart Jason's sisters house. What is different between them and Meredith? I remember now Meredith is LE's friend.
Meredith is the sister of the victim. Those you mentioned had been sheltering the primary suspect for months.
ETA: Is there a link to police "ripping apart" Pat's and Heather's houses? I understand that they had warrants and searched, but, when pressed, the retired teacher said that there was powder scattered in the car that was searched.
IMO
Wrong. Michelle's will appointed Linda successor Executor in the event that Jason failed to qualify. Jason failed to qualify, so Linda's appointment is valid.
Michelle's will appointed Heather as guardian in the event Jason did not survive her. Since he did, that appointment is irrelevant.
Exactly Cardinal.
I don't understand why that is so difficult for some to comprehend.
LE ripped apart Jason's moms house. LE ripped apart Jason's sisters house. What is different between them and Meredith? I remember now Meredith is LE's friend.
Oh! So LE would let Meredith "walk" and frame Jason because it is of your opinion that they are friends?
Oh dear.....
I doubt you'll ever see it but JMO.
IIRC, he does not follow THIS board.
JMO
Sorry you took that as an insult. I wasnt trying to attack you, and Im fully aware people report to moderator here. You asked me my opinion, I gave it to you. It was just an honest observation, because you've said something like that frequently, you seem to go back to that thought on the case which is fine. I didnt say you were some horrible person, or you were wrong for thinking that way, its just how it is. You clearly support Jason and I firmly think he's guilty - so obviously we're on two different sides of the fences. If you dont wish to engage in conversation where Im trying to be polite, just ignore me then. IMO.
Here is your original post:
Originally Posted by trucrime
I know Kat, Ive seen you repeat the same thought of "why hasnt he been arrested" quite a bit. All's I can say is LE is still working on the case. Im pretty sure an arrest will come. Sure most arrests for murder cases come before this length of time but its not unheard of for an investigation to take this long if not longer. Sometimes it happens. IMO.
You did not violate the TOS, or harrass anyone, its just bait. We value you here, so please just use your iggy!!!
Tonight NC Wanted is doing another story on JY. I can't wait to see what new info they have!
JMO
Stellagant
03-21-2009, 05:27 PM
Don't know about failure to qualify, but he was derelict in his duties. One of the first responsibilities, is to pay the funeral expenses. He has yet to do that. I guess Puerto Rico was more important. MOO
Funeral expenses are the responsibility of whomever plans and arranges the funeral such as picking out the casket, flowers, etc. It all costs money and it all is fully disclosed upfront and the agreement is signed. Apparently, Linda Fisher signed it, not Jason.
Stellagant
03-21-2009, 05:29 PM
Heather cant "have" cassie if she doesnt file for custody. Are there any court documents showing that heather filed a custody suit? You dont just "have" cassie because it says it in someones will. Things have to go thru the court system.
Heather can file for custody at any time.
So can Pat.
:rolleyes:
Cardinal
03-21-2009, 06:04 PM
Could you elaborate on how Jason failed to qualify? According to WDS Jason preceded Michelle in death. Heather should have Cassie.
Absolutely. Qualify:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/qualify
"to get authority, license, power, etc., as by fulfilling required conditions, taking an oath, etc."
"Law. to perform the actions necessary to acquire legal power or capacity: By filing a bond and taking an oath he qualified as executor. "
Despite being named Executor, the law requires that an Executor "qualify" - file an application for probate and take an oath:
http://www.nccourts.org/Forms/Documents/397.pdf
Jason failed to do that.
Jason didn't precede Michelle in death; he was presumed to have predeceased her for purposes of inheriting from her estate, but he's obviously still alive. And until he gave up part of it, he had plenary custody of his daughter. Naming a guardian in a will doesn't take precedence over a living parent. Only a court proceeding can do that.
Leanne Weich
03-21-2009, 06:16 PM
Greaat posts Card. You, unlike stella, have a good grasp of the legal concepts regarding matters arising from the WDS and the implications therefrom pertaining to custody of Cassidy, imo.
Cardinal
03-21-2009, 06:20 PM
Greaat posts Card. You, unlike stella, have a good grasp of the legal concepts regarding matters arising from the WDS and the implications therefrom pertaining to custody of Cassidy, imo.
Hi, Leanne. :seeya: It's good to see you.
Probate law can be confusing to people who have no experience with it.
5swab5
03-21-2009, 06:28 PM
Funeral expenses are the responsibility of whomever plans and arranges the funeral such as picking out the casket, flowers, etc. It all costs money and it all is fully disclosed upfront and the agreement is signed. Apparently, Linda Fisher signed it, not Jason.
Last time I checked the husband is the next of kin, so it was Jason's responsibility. But apparently Jason wasn't interested in laying his wife and child to rest, nor memorializing their lives with a marker. Doesn't look like Linda had any choice in the matter, arrangements needed to be completed.
Thank Goodness the Fishers are around to pick up his slack. Up to and including taking over PRIMARY physical custody of Cassidy. MOO
Stellagant
03-21-2009, 06:59 PM
Greaat posts Card. You, unlike stella, have a good grasp of the legal concepts regarding matters arising from the WDS and the implications therefrom pertaining to custody of Cassidy, imo.
FYI: there is no such concept as "plenary custody" anywhere in the Judge's Order because it doesn't exist in NC statutes. :rolleyes:
Stellagant
03-21-2009, 07:02 PM
Last time I checked the husband is the next of kin, so it was Jason's responsibility. But apparently Jason wasn't interested in laying his wife and child to rest, nor memorializing their lives with a marker. Doesn't look like Linda had any choice in the matter, arrangements needed to be completed.
Thank Goodness the Fishers are around to pick up his slack. Up to and including taking over PRIMARY physical custody of Cassidy. MOO
There was no estate to be probated.
And I doubt the Executrix did much of anything to forward the legal process after she obtained her appointment. She abused the legal process.
:rolleyes:
Cardinal
03-21-2009, 07:17 PM
I agree with Kat:
~snipped for emphasis~
Discuss or argue the case reasonably within the terms and rules of TOS, without personal attacks or insults.
Kat
Cardinal
03-21-2009, 08:14 PM
There were rumors, yes, rumors, a few weeks ago, that LE visited a bank in Brevard.
IF that's true, it occurred to me today, that they may have been looking for a safe deposit box. Would that require a SW, or a subpoena?
trucrime
03-21-2009, 08:59 PM
I don't think she would.
And Im just as certain she would be fine with any inquiry re a custody hearing. It doesnt matter what either of us think, but I look forward to the final transition being complete in August. IMO.
trucrime
03-21-2009, 09:00 PM
Could you elaborate on how Jason failed to qualify? According to WDS Jason preceded Michelle in death. Heather should have Cassie.
Well Heather had ample time to file her own paperwork to get Cassidy... I doubt we'll ever see that however. Perhaps someone should ask her why she doesnt care enough about her niece to pursue custody. IMO.
kingbuff
03-21-2009, 09:10 PM
Funeral expenses are the responsibility of whomever plans and arranges the funeral such as picking out the casket, flowers, etc. It all costs money and it all is fully disclosed upfront and the agreement is signed. Apparently, Linda Fisher signed it, not Jason.
Who said Linda paid for the funeral? Maybe the person in charge of the check book will check with Progress Energy before writing Linda a check.
achristie
03-21-2009, 09:11 PM
Well Heather had ample time to file her own paperwork to get Cassidy... I doubt we'll ever see that however. Perhaps someone should ask her why she doesnt care enough about her niece to pursue custody. IMO.
Maybe, in her heart, she feels it would just muddy the waters?
I would guess that JY's family all love CY. They didn't murder her mother, JY did. He sucked them into this terrible tragedy.
Who knows? I don't know any of these people. Just sayin'.
MOO Aggie
achristie
03-21-2009, 09:14 PM
Who said Linda paid for the funeral? Maybe the person in charge of the check book will check with Progress Energy before writing Linda a check.
Are you saying LF and her attys lied to the court about funeral expenses? Wouldn't LF had to have presented documentation of her 18,000 dollar bill for the funeral?
kingbuff
03-21-2009, 09:18 PM
There were rumors, yes, rumors, a few weeks ago, that LE visited a bank in Brevard.
IF that's true, it occurred to me today, that they may have been looking for a safe deposit box. Would that require a SW, or a subpoena?
Don't know which. But one of the recent SWs said something about examining financial matters. Maybe that means we will see another SW, this time for financial records. Hey, that would give that detective a chance to answer more of our questions and correct past warrants.
5swab5
03-21-2009, 10:42 PM
Are you saying LF and her attys lied to the court about funeral expenses? Wouldn't LF had to have presented documentation of her 18,000 dollar bill for the funeral?
C'mon Aggie, Some people aren't going to let a little thing like recorded Court Documents stop them from taking "pot shots" at the victims' family.:rolleyes:
It isn't even about IF Jason killed Michelle & Rylan anymore, now it's all about casting aspersions on the Fishers and someway somehow, figuring out how to fix things so Jason gets away with the murders. IMO
5swab5
03-21-2009, 10:59 PM
Don't know which. But one of the recent SWs said something about examining financial matters. Maybe that means we will see another SW, this time for financial records. Hey, that would give that detective a chance to answer more of our questions and correct past warrants.
Personally, I would like to see some more of the emails. They are very illuminating.
You know, like the ones where he tells Michelle Money Missing you so much...got a nice beer buzz......I feel lucky just to know you, much less love you, but i do.
and he tells Michelle Young, I am taking beer and her to pool. I am in a mood that makes our trip to myrtle seem mild, pray the beer kicks in. I could kill u for not letting me finish the yard this morning. MOO
achristie
03-21-2009, 11:04 PM
C'mon Aggie, Some people aren't going to let a little thing like recorded Court Documents stop them from taking "pot shots" at the victims' family.:rolleyes:
It isn't even about IF Jason killed Michelle & Rylan anymore, now it's all about casting aspersions on the Fishers and someway somehow, figuring out how to fix things so Jason gets away with the murders. IMO
Ah, Swabby, I gotta hand it to you. You've got a way with words.:laugh:
Good to see you.
MOO Aggie
kingbuff
03-22-2009, 01:04 AM
I see the gaggle has been here. I can't read what you've said but I'll bet I can guess it. My guess is your jealousness is showing. Over at Latter Rain II the gaggle has turned green with envy over the Montana girl. My guess is you are the same. Such a fresh, young moral person would not fit in your gaggle, that's for sure. Showing a girl like that to jaded hypocrites sure brings out the claws. I think the family retains lawyers year round. You might hear from them.
I see the gaggle has been here. I can't read what you've said but I'll bet I can guess it. My guess is your jealousness is showing. Over at Latter Rain II the gaggle has turned green with envy over the Montana girl. My guess is you are the same. Such a fresh, young moral person would not fit in your gaggle, that's for sure. Showing a girl like that to jaded hypocrites sure brings out the claws. I think the family retains lawyers year round. You might hear from them.
WHAT are you talking about?????!!!!!
I see the gaggle has been here. I can't read what you've said but I'll bet I can guess it. My guess is your jealousness is showing. Over at Latter Rain II the gaggle has turned green with envy over the Montana girl. My guess is you are the same. Such a fresh, young moral person would not fit in your gaggle, that's for sure. Showing a girl like that to jaded hypocrites sure brings out the claws. I think the family retains lawyers year round. You might hear from them.
If she has anything to do with the "slayer", I am glad to hear her family retains lawyers year round. She may need them.
JMO
Jester
03-22-2009, 04:17 AM
I see the gaggle has been here. I can't read what you've said but I'll bet I can guess it. My guess is your jealousness is showing. Over at Latter Rain II the gaggle has turned green with envy over the Montana girl. My guess is you are the same. Such a fresh, young moral person would not fit in your gaggle, that's for sure. Showing a girl like that to jaded hypocrites sure brings out the claws. I think the family retains lawyers year round. You might hear from them.
What is your theory on the reasons for Carol Anne Sowerby spending the weekend with Jason shortly before Michelle was murdered? They were both married, Michelle was pregnant, timelines indicate Michelle was away that weekend, and it appears that Jason and Carol Anne renewed contact about 6 months before Michelle was murdered. What reason would Jason have for arranging a weekend visit with a woman that he knew when he was a camp counselor and she was a teenager? What reason would a married man have for renewing a relationship with a woman that he was responsible for while she was a teenager?
5swab5
03-22-2009, 05:16 AM
I see the gaggle has been here. I can't read what you've said but I'll bet I can guess it. My guess is your jealousness is showing. Over at Latter Rain II the gaggle has turned green with envy over the Montana girl. My guess is you are the same. Such a fresh, young moral person would not fit in your gaggle, that's for sure. Showing a girl like that to jaded hypocrites sure brings out the claws. I think the family retains lawyers year round. You might hear from them.
A) If you want to complain about other message boards and posters, perhaps it would be more productive to do so on their site and not take up time and space here? TIA
B) IF by the Montana girl, you are referring to one of Jason's named conquests per NC Wanted this evening, Carol Anne Sowerby is fresh maybe, but moral presents a problem, as she AND Jason were married at the time of the assignation. MOO
rosieposett
03-22-2009, 05:59 AM
I see the gaggle has been here. I can't read what you've said but I'll bet I can guess it. My guess is your jealousness is showing. Over at Latter Rain II the gaggle has turned green with envy over the Montana girl. My guess is you are the same. Such a fresh, young moral person would not fit in your gaggle, that's for sure. Showing a girl like that to jaded hypocrites sure brings out the claws. I think the family retains lawyers year round. You might hear from them.
What gaggle? I'm not part of a gaggle but I was hear and read the site.
reborn
03-22-2009, 10:39 AM
A) If you want to complain about other message boards and posters, perhaps it would be more productive to do so on their site and not take up time and space here? TIA
B) IF by the Montana girl, you are referring to one of Jason's named conquests per NC Wanted this evening, Carol Anne Sowerby is fresh maybe, but moral presents a problem, as she AND Jason were married at the time of the assignation. MOO
I,m not sure there was an assignation . I guess someone must have proof or an awful full wallet. I watch the video. Did you guys see the look on Meredith's face. She tucks her hair behind her ear and does a smirk. Almost like I got it all. I think that look was worth a thousand words.
http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/
Leanne Weich
03-22-2009, 10:52 AM
I,m not sure there was an assignation . I guess someone must have proof or an awful full wallet. I watch the video. Did you guys see the look on Meredith's face. She tucks her hair behind her ear and does a smirk. Almost like I got it all. I think that look was worth a thousand words.
http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/
That's your interpretation of an innocent gesture, imo. Let's face it, in your eyes, Meredith can do nothing right and yet, to date, we've seen no factual evidence of any wrongdoing. I guess anyone is fair game if it deflects from SLAYER Young.
5swab5
03-22-2009, 11:41 AM
I,m not sure there was an assignation . I guess someone must have proof or an awful full wallet. I watch the video. Did you guys see the look on Meredith's face. She tucks her hair behind her ear and does a smirk. Almost like I got it all. I think that look was worth a thousand words. http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/
The affair with Michelle Money was argued about for months and months on this very message board. Some chose to ignore that handwriting on the wall too.
It absolutely floors me that some give Jason a pass on everything, yet Meredith is continually belittled. Victims of crime are normally afforded at least a modicum of respect. The lack of empathy shown for Meredith is disturbing, as it is the same type of callousness with which Jason treated Michelle and Rylan. Must be a "birds of a feather" thing.
The continued attacks on her despite mounting evidence against Jason is both unfounded and insulting to the intelligence of other posters. Meredith could win a Nobel Prize for finding a cure for Alzheimers and some would criticize her achievement, as an attention grabbing excuse to wear an expensive dress in a foreign country. :shrug: MOO
trucrime
03-22-2009, 12:14 PM
The affair with Michelle Money was argued about for months and months on this very message board. Some chose to ignore that handwriting on the wall too.
It absolutely floors me that some give Jason a pass on everything, yet Meredith is continually belittled. Victims of crime are normally afforded at least a modicum of respect. The lack of empathy shown for Meredith is disturbing, as it is the same type of callousness with which Jason treated Michelle and Rylan. Must be a "birds of a feather" thing.
The continued attacks on her despite mounting evidence against Jason is both unfounded and insulting to the intelligence of other posters. Meredith could win a Nobel Prize for finding a cure for Alzheimers and some would criticize her achievement, as an attention grabbing excuse to wear an expensive dress in a foreign country. :shrug: MOO
Yeah its funny, everyone was trying to say it wasnt a real relationship that they were just friends. We know now that it was a sexual relationship and MM clearly wanted to have Jasons baby at one point. "ILY" = I love you, said between the two of them. And now lo and behold, its Carole Ann Sowerby, just a few weeks ago I remember people saying the same, let's not mention her name until its official just to what... protect her reputation? LOL, and gee that's true as well. I wouldnt be surprised if we hear about more affairs, maybe not around 11/06 but earlier in their relationship.
Now some of the focus here is on Meredith Fisher, even though there's absolutely no real evidence pointing towards her. Laughable. My guess is some people may be jealous of Meredith's beauty. IMO.
trucrime
03-22-2009, 12:17 PM
A) If you want to complain about other message boards and posters, perhaps it would be more productive to do so on their site and not take up time and space here? TIA
B) IF by the Montana girl, you are referring to one of Jason's named conquests per NC Wanted this evening, Carol Anne Sowerby is fresh maybe, but moral presents a problem, as she AND Jason were married at the time of the assignation. MOO
Yeah Im sure the people on Latter Rain II would be more than happy to discuss the case with KingBuff. I thought we weren't supposed to discuss other boards here? IMO.
Cardinal
03-22-2009, 12:25 PM
Yeah its funny, everyone was trying to say it wasnt a real relationship that they were just friends. We know now that it was a sexual relationship and MM clearly wanted to have Jasons baby at one point. "ILY" = I love you, said between the two of them. And now lo and behold, its Carole Ann Sowerby, just a few weeks ago I remember people saying the same, let's not mention her name until its official just to what... protect her reputation? LOL, and gee that's true as well. I wouldnt be surprised if we hear about more affairs, maybe not around 11/06 but earlier in their relationship.
Now some of the focus here is on Meredith Fisher, even though there's absolutely no real evidence pointing towards her. Laughable. My guess is some people may be jealous of Meredith's beauty. IMO.
I don't think it's that simple. I think it's transference - it's not acceptable to blame Michelle (the Yankee who got pregnant, "trapped" Jason, and set into motion the entire chain of events), so blaming Meredith is the next best thing.
As for CAS, my guess is that the underwear found in Michelle's bed belonged to her. It wouldn't surprise me if she replaced them with a pair of Michelle's. Judging by the photo of CAS, Michelle's taste in lingerie had to have been much better.
JMO
Barbara2
03-22-2009, 01:58 PM
I don't think it's that simple. I think it's transference - it's not acceptable to blame Michelle (the Yankee who got pregnant, "trapped" Jason, and set into motion the entire chain of events), so blaming Meredith is the next best thing.
As for CAS, my guess is that the underwear found in Michelle's bed belonged to her. It wouldn't surprise me if she replaced them with a pair of Michelle's. Judging by the photo of CAS, Michelle's taste in lingerie had to have been much better.
JMO
I think the incident with the underwear happened long before the murder. I'm almost positive it happened while they were still living in the townhouse.
trucrime
03-22-2009, 02:20 PM
I think the incident with the underwear happened long before the murder. I'm almost positive it happened while they were still living in the townhouse.
I was under the impression the underwear happened a while ago, nothing recent like as of 11/06 but I may be wrong. I think there were other women, prior to MM and CAS. How many or how often, can't say. IMO.
Yeah Im sure the people on Latter Rain II would be more than happy to discuss the case with KingBuff. I thought we weren't supposed to discuss other boards here? IMO.
:no::no::no:
No True, you are right, its NOT allowed.
I,m not sure there was an assignation . I guess someone must have proof or an awful full wallet. I watch the video. Did you guys see the look on Meredith's face. She tucks her hair behind her ear and does a smirk. Almost like I got it all. I think that look was worth a thousand words.
http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/
That picture was taken LAST YEAR at the Lady Bug Lift-off.
Jules2
03-22-2009, 05:13 PM
I,m not sure there was an assignation . I guess someone must have proof or an awful full wallet. I watch the video. Did you guys see the look on Meredith's face. She tucks her hair behind her ear and does a smirk. Almost like I got it all. I think that look was worth a thousand words.
http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/
Knowing where and when this video clip was from, you might see a smirk, but I see a sister who is reflecting upon the generosity of strangers who came together to honor her sister's name. She appeared humble and grateful to me. But most of all, she appeared sad.
How you saw a smirk is beyond me, but then again, people will see what they want if it makes them feel better. IMO.
BTW......it was windy, Meredith's beautiful thick hair was flying about, she simply tucks a loose strand away from her face and you see something sinister in that?
Well I see something way more sinister in Jason's multiple affairs. And yes....the word multiple can now be used.
IMO
annalyzer
03-22-2009, 05:20 PM
Where in that link is the video/photo you all are referring to?
Jules2
03-22-2009, 05:24 PM
Where in that link is the video/photo you all are referring to?
Fast forward to about 3:59 in to the video link. This is about where the short clip of Meredith at the Lady Bug Lift off is.
Barbara2
03-22-2009, 06:09 PM
I,m not sure there was an assignation . I guess someone must have proof or an awful full wallet. I watch the video. Did you guys see the look on Meredith's face. She tucks her hair behind her ear and does a smirk. Almost like I got it all. I think that look was worth a thousand words.
http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/
This must be an example of that jealousness that the previous poster referred to. I was wondering what he meant but now I understand.
Leanne Weich
03-22-2009, 06:17 PM
This must be an example of that jealousness that the previous poster referred to. I was wondering what he meant but now I understand.
Although Meredith looked gorgeous in that clip, one can still see the sense of despair in her face, imo.
This must be an example of that jealousness that the previous poster referred to. I was wondering what he meant but now I understand.
Maybe.
I still don't see the "I got it all" smirk.....:confused:
Although Meredith looked gorgeous in that clip, one can still see the sense of despair in her face, imo.
ITA, she is a very beautiful woman, but looks so sad.:crying:
Jules2
03-22-2009, 06:51 PM
Maybe.
I still don't see the "I got it all" smirk.....:confused:
I don't either, Tia. The same goes for the 911 call. I believe there are a few who have allowed their imaginations get the best of them. Seeing things are hearing things that just just aren't there. IMO
I don't either, Tia. The same goes for the 911 call. I believe there are a few who have allowed their imaginations get the best of them. Seeing things are hearing things that just just aren't there. IMO
I was watching the video you linked here earlier. Meredith sounds a wreck IMO, very upset, her voice is quivering. The only time she seems to calm down is when she is talking to Cassidy.
C'mon Aggie, Some people aren't going to let a little thing like recorded Court Documents stop them from taking "pot shots" at the victims' family.:rolleyes:
It isn't even about IF Jason killed Michelle & Rylan anymore, now it's all about casting aspersions on the Fishers and someway somehow, figuring out how to fix things so Jason gets away with the murders. IMO
I agree Swabby. I am quite surprised with the amount of truly horrible things that we are learning about Jason and the way he treated Michelle, that anyone could still be taking "pot shots" at Michelle's family. I am even more surprised that after everything we've learned, anyone would want him to "get away" with it.
Its very disturbing to say the least!
JMO
Cardinal
03-22-2009, 07:20 PM
Last night's NC Wanted broadcast is posted at youtube (I saw it referenced elsewhere).
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=michelle+young+%22ncwanted%22&aq=f
Last night's NC Wanted broadcast is posted at youtube (I saw it referenced elsewhere).
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=michelle+young+%22ncwanted%22&aq=f
Its time for an arrest.
jerry50
03-22-2009, 07:44 PM
I,m not sure there was an assignation . I guess someone must have proof or an awful full wallet. I watch the video. Did you guys see the look on Meredith's face. She tucks her hair behind her ear and does a smirk. Almost like I got it all. I think that look was worth a thousand words.
http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/
I didn't see that but I did see (on another board) a picture of a gorgeous parrot sitting on the south end of a dog walking north.
Leanne Weich
03-22-2009, 07:54 PM
I didn't see that but I did see (on another board) a picture of a gorgeous parrot sitting on the south end of a dog walking north.
LOL. The parrot was the only gorgeous thing in that photo that's for sure.
Cardinal
03-22-2009, 07:54 PM
Its time for an arrest.
I've had the feeling for some time now that things are escalating. Court actions, media coverage...who knows what's next.
I've had the feeling for some time now that things are escalating. Court actions, media coverage...who knows what's next.
I just hope it doesn't all die down again and he remains free for another year. I really fear for Cassidy now too. Jason has nothing left, he may be a desperate man at this point.
Barbara2
03-22-2009, 08:03 PM
I just hope it doesn't all die down again and he remains free for another year. I really fear for Cassidy now too. Jason has nothing left, he may be a desperate man at this point.
Doesn't Meredith have Cassidy at home again starting tomorrow? (Oh happy days!)
Doesn't Meredith have Cassidy at home again starting tomorrow? (Oh happy days!)
Yes she does. Thank goodness given what has gone down this past week.
JMO
Cardinal
03-22-2009, 08:20 PM
I just hope it doesn't all die down again and he remains free for another year. I really fear for Cassidy now too. Jason has nothing left, he may be a desperate man at this point.
I've had similar concerns over the past few months. If Jason Young has done everything he's suspected of doing, he only cares about himself and is arrogant enough to believe he will get away with it. When (yes, I believe it's when, not if) the DA indicts him, I just hope Cassidy is with Meredith.
I've had similar concerns over the past few months. If Jason Young has done everything he's suspected of doing, he only cares about himself and is arrogant enough to believe he will get away with it. When (yes, I believe it's when, not if) the DA indicts him, I just hope Cassidy is with Meredith.
I hope she is too. I can't imagine, with everything she has already been through, and has yet to go through, what it would be like to see her father hauled off in hand cuffs and put in the back of a police car.
JMO
achristie
03-22-2009, 08:34 PM
I didn't see that but I did see (on another board) a picture of a gorgeous parrot sitting on the south end of a dog walking north.
So, who was who? :biggrin:
Last night's NC Wanted broadcast is posted at youtube (I saw it referenced elsewhere).
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=michelle+young+%22ncwanted%22&aq=f
I noticed that the weapon the video used was a baseball bat.
That has been a theory of one of the "insiders".
achristie
03-22-2009, 08:48 PM
I've had similar concerns over the past few months. If Jason Young has done everything he's suspected of doing, he only cares about himself and is arrogant enough to believe he will get away with it. When (yes, I believe it's when, not if) the DA indicts him, I just hope Cassidy is with Meredith.
Really? You've had concerns about CY's safety for months ? That surprises me. If and when JY is indicted will you still be on the fence?
Just wondering......Aggie
Really? You've had concerns about CY's safety for months ? That surprises me. If and when JY is indicted will you still be on the fence?
Just wondering......Aggie
Hi Aggie!!
I wonder when the Fisher's started getting all the info that we are just getting about Jason. How long have they known about his cheating?
Barbara2
03-22-2009, 09:11 PM
Hi Aggie!!
I wonder when the Fisher's started getting all the info that we are just getting about Jason. How long have they known about his cheating?
How much more do they know that we have yet to know?
How much more do they know that we have yet to know?
Good question. I would imagine that they used all they knew at the custody and WD hearings. I wonder if they have recieved more info since then.
luna24
03-22-2009, 09:14 PM
So, who was who? :biggrin:
:laugh::laugh:
The comment about Meredith smirking and "almost giving a look like "I got it all" is really taking things to a new low in bashing the victim's family.
luna24
03-22-2009, 09:17 PM
I just hope it doesn't all die down again and he remains free for another year. I really fear for Cassidy now too. Jason has nothing left, he may be a desperate man at this point.
I'm concerned for Cassie too but I think an arrest is coming soon...with the news stories, the WD and custody cases settled, and Spivey's comment about an arrest coming once they get the last of their info seems like an arrest is imminent..I wouldn't be surprised if it was this Tuesday...
Barbara2
03-22-2009, 09:17 PM
Good question. I would imagine that they used all they knew at the custody and WD hearings. I wonder if they have recieved more info since then.
There were things mentioned in the WDS and custody suit but the details didn't come out since those two suits were uncontested. It will be very interesting to hear what the witnesses have to say at trial. IMO
:laugh::laugh:
The comment about Meredith smirking and "almost giving a look like "I got it all" is really taking things to a new low in bashing the victim's family.
Anyone who watched the video knows that she wasn't smirking, anyone following the case knows that the video was from the Lady Bug Lift Off last year.
Its just bait, IMO.
Best to ignore.
luna24
03-22-2009, 09:24 PM
I was under the impression the underwear happened a while ago, nothing recent like as of 11/06 but I may be wrong. I think there were other women, prior to MM and CAS. How many or how often, can't say. IMO.
I got the same impression that it was when they lived in the townhouse..I think that was the same time he was alleged to be sleeping with another woman when he said he was going out to walk the dog. :mad:
What is up with that anyway? Why not leave the marriage then if you're that desperate for sex that you're telling those kind of lies to your wife's face? Not only did he have disrespect for Michelle but it almost seems that he had contempt for her to treat her that way. :angry:
reborn
03-22-2009, 09:25 PM
I didn't see that but I did see (on another board) a picture of a gorgeous parrot sitting on the south end of a dog walking north.
What are you talking about? I watched the whole clip I saw no dog or bird . Do you have a link to the clip you watched?
There were things mentioned in the WDS and custody suit but the details didn't come out since those two suits were uncontested. It will be very interesting to hear what the witnesses have to say at trial. IMO
Oh yes! It certainly will be interesting. I assume we will hear from the GA friend and find out both Michelle and Jason's moods before he left that night.
achristie
03-22-2009, 09:39 PM
What are you talking about? I watched the whole clip I saw no dog or bird . Do you have a link to the clip you watched?
It's not a video clip. It's a still photo. No dog, but a bird and a person.
Not sure of it's relevancy to the case, though.
MOO Aggie
ETA: You are familiar with the site as you have referenced it MANY times.
reborn
03-22-2009, 09:52 PM
It's not a video clip. It's a still photo. No dog, but a bird and a person.
Not sure of it's relevancy to the case, though.
MOO Aggie
ETA: You are familiar with the site as you have referenced it MANY times.
If it has no relevance to the case I don't care. The only sites I have referenced I believe have been news sites. WRAL and Maybe ABC Local.
Jester
03-22-2009, 10:10 PM
If it has no relevance to the case I don't care. The only sites I have referenced I believe have been news sites. WRAL and Maybe ABC Local.
And this does: "Did you guys see the look on Meredith's face. She tucks her hair behind her ear and does a smirk?"
What in the world could you possibly be reading into how someone pulls back her hair?
Is this tuesday when the GJ meets?
annalyzer
03-22-2009, 11:09 PM
Fast forward to about 3:59 in to the video link. This is about where the short clip of Meredith at the Lady Bug Lift off is.
The video is of today's news. Thanks anyway. :)
The video is of today's news. Thanks anyway. :)
Thats strange..........maybe an update?
Cardinal
03-23-2009, 07:15 AM
Really? You've had concerns about CY's safety for months ? That surprises me. If and when JY is indicted will you still be on the fence?
Just wondering......Aggie
If you'd read my posts over the last few months it wouldn't surprise you. And my position in this case has never been dependent upon an indictment.
And where is the part about the "mood" right before that? How could that be taken out of context?
Do you HONESTLY (with a straight face) believe what you have written above -- that there was more to the email that gave any indication of LOVE from JY to MY? HONESTLY?
Even if you answer yes, forgive me if I don't believe you.
Nor do I. Its obvious that Jason HATED Michelle. He humilated and mentally abused her based on what we are learning. And I don't think this his hatred toward Michelle had anything to do with Michelle. IMO, he hates women in general and the only nice emails you will see from him to a woman is during the "wooing" them stage.
What a creep.
JMO
bsatis
03-23-2009, 12:11 PM
Although, I think you and I have been waiting for the same thing, you have shown much more patience.
Looks like there is more than one GJ prediction on this case for tomorrow.!!
Coming up to 29 months next week..!!!
Could this be it?
Kat
I am not so sure anyone is voicing anything as a "prediction", but I am willing to bet a whole bunch of people who have followed this case HOPE and PRAY every GJ Tuesday that it will finally happen.
Please, you will have to forgive people for wanting justice to be served.
I am not so sure anyone is voicing anything as a "prediction", but I am willing to bet a whole bunch of people who have followed this case HOPE and PRAY every GJ Tuesday that it will finally happen.
Please, you will have to forgive people for wanting justice to be served.
I haven't seen ANY predictions. All I have seen are posters who hope with all their hearts that when an arrest is made, its done when Cassidy is with Meredith.
annalyzer
03-23-2009, 12:55 PM
Anna, what was the new info on the case over the weekend?
I still haven't found out!!
Is this why there may be an indictment tomorrow?
Thank you !!
Kat
I wonder what happened to my post where I answered you last night? That's odd. :confused:
Oh well, the link just took me to a video of everyday news, the weather and such. Nothing about Jason.
trucrime
03-23-2009, 01:37 PM
Too many for the killer to have been just Jason.
JMO
Kat
I dont see it that way. If the amount of time it takes to solve a case, like the longer it takes - for that to automatically mean more than one person has to be culpable, that doesnt make sense to me. IMO.
trucrime
03-23-2009, 01:38 PM
I am not so sure anyone is voicing anything as a "prediction", but I am willing to bet a whole bunch of people who have followed this case HOPE and PRAY every GJ Tuesday that it will finally happen.
Please, you will have to forgive people for wanting justice to be served.
Yeah no one to my knowledge actually PREDICTS any timeline whatsoever. Like "he will be arrested this weekend". Just our thoughts that we'd like to see Jason arrested at some point, or that we're sure at some point in the future he will be arrested. IMO.
trucrime
03-23-2009, 01:40 PM
Sorry, I missed it.!!
It will be great when people can post without all the insulting and attacking, and we could just read the Board and answer the posts that are important to the case.
So, there is nothing new?
I am disappointed, to say the least...
I am always afraid I will miss something being gone every weekend.
Thank you, Anna!!
You have any thoughts on what the weapon could have been and if it has been entered into evidence?
Kat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEmuE2hD3P4
That was new this weekend, Carole Ann Sowerby was revealed as having been a guest in the Young home. IMO.
Jester
03-23-2009, 05:35 PM
What weapon may have already been in the bedroom of Michelle and Jason?
I really don't think the killer brought his own weapon of choice along.
I remember reading about some crescent marks that the weapon made?
Could a golf glub leave such marks?
Maybe Michelle kept something by her bed for nites when Jason was gone, as she and Jason had supposedly already reported noises coming from the woods, etc..
Kat
I really do think the killer brought a weapon with him when he returned to the house to murder his wife. I like the baseball bat theory.
Jester
03-23-2009, 05:37 PM
Sorry, I missed it.!!
It will be great when people can post without all the insulting and attacking, and we could just read the Board and answer the posts that are important to the case.
So, there is nothing new?
I am disappointed, to say the least...
I am always afraid I will miss something being gone every weekend.
Thank you, Anna!!
You have any thoughts on what the weapon could have been and if it has been entered into evidence?
Kat
It's really nothing that we didn't already know. It appears that Jason was fooling around with both Michelle Money and Carol-Anne Sowerby shortly before Michelle Young was murdered. Nothing new, since that info was already provided in the last search warrant release.
reborn
03-23-2009, 07:05 PM
I really do think the killer brought a weapon with him when he returned to the house to murder his wife. I like the baseball bat theory.
I think the killer brought a weapon with them. I think it was a hockey stick.
reborn
03-23-2009, 07:10 PM
It's really nothing that we didn't already know. It appears that Jason was fooling around with both Michelle Money and Carol-Anne Sowerby shortly before Michelle Young was murdered. Nothing new, since that info was already provided in the last search warrant release.
Then there was the stories of MM and friends she always stayed with in town. I don't think we can use names.
achristie
03-23-2009, 07:38 PM
I really do think the killer brought a weapon with him when he returned to the house to murder his wife. I like the baseball bat theory.
I've always believed he brought the weapon with him, as well. For some reason, I have envisioned a long, heavy wrench. My father used to have this great big wrench on his work bench - perhaps that's why?
Whatever ... I think he came prepared.
I also wonder how much time was spent trying to find the weapon and the clothes? He covered so much territory one would think that would be impossible.
MOO Aggie
Cardinal
03-23-2009, 08:13 PM
I think the killer brought a weapon with them. I think it was a hockey stick.
I've always thought the weapon was something already at the house. Not necessarily in the bedroom - maybe in the garage.
Barbara2
03-23-2009, 08:25 PM
I've always thought the weapon was something already at the house. Not necessarily in the bedroom - maybe in the garage.
I agree, maybe. I think he had planned to take it to the bedroom when he came into the house, maybe even placed it before he left earlier that evening. IMO
I agree, maybe. I think he had planned to take it to the bedroom when he came into the house, maybe even placed it before he left earlier that evening. IMO
How eeerie. I can imagine him placing it somewhere for easy retrieval when he arrived.
JMO
Cardinal
03-23-2009, 08:35 PM
I agree, maybe. I think he had planned to take it to the bedroom when he came into the house, maybe even placed it before he left earlier that evening. IMO
I agree with Tia - that's eerie. I'd still like to think, that IF Jason killed Michelle, it wasn't premeditated for any longer than the drive from Hillsville.
Kat4Eagles
03-23-2009, 08:36 PM
I've always thought the weapon was something already at the house. Not necessarily in the bedroom - maybe in the garage.
But, the manner of death was supposed to be a strangulation, and if you have a bat, golf club, hockey stick, boat oar, etc, you sure don't need to look up head trauma.......
:(
Kat
Cardinal
03-23-2009, 08:37 PM
And, you don't think there was a baseball bat somewhere already in the home, garage, attic?
If you think it was Jason, the guy lived there..and would have all his sports stuff there.
Or, anything else , for that matter, like a mask, gloves, too.
Sheesh, you don't carry a murder weapon roundtrip when you are away on business..
And, if it was someone else, they still had access to Jason's stuff.
Kat
You don't think Jason took the bat into Cracker Barrel with him? :)
Barbara2
03-23-2009, 08:38 PM
I agree with Tia - that's eerie. I'd still like to think, that IF Jason killed Michelle, it wasn't premeditated for any longer than the drive from Hillsville.
I know. It's hard to imagine a cold blooded killer and how their mind works. I can't think that way. But based on the known evidence, I think he planned it well before he left home that night headed for the Cracker Barrel. IMO
annalyzer
03-23-2009, 08:39 PM
I've always believed he brought the weapon with him, as well. For some reason, I have envisioned a long, heavy wrench. My father used to have this great big wrench on his work bench - perhaps that's why?
Whatever ... I think he came prepared.
I also wonder how much time was spent trying to find the weapon and the clothes? He covered so much territory one would think that would be impossible.
MOO Aggie
One good blow by Jason on her head with one of those wrenches should have killed her. Sorry to be graphic but her head would have cracked open like an egg. I wonder why there were so many blows? You can't say overkill because most of the blows were not fatal were they? imo
Cardinal
03-23-2009, 08:41 PM
But, the manner of death was supposed to be a strangulation, and if you have a bat, golf club, hockey stick, boat oar, etc, you sure don't need to look up head trauma.......
:(
Kat
I'm not sure about the strangulation any more, Kat, after learning of the internet searches. IF Jason killed Michelle, maybe the strangulation was just part of the rage.
OTOH, you're right. If you have a bat, and you're going to hit someone 30 times, it really doesn't matter which part of the head you hit.
Sorry for being so graphic.
achristie
03-23-2009, 08:42 PM
I know. It's hard to imagine a cold blooded killer and how their mind works. I can't think that way. But based on the known evidence, I think he planned it well before he left home that night headed for the Cracker Barrel. IMO
To wit: the printout on his computer.
MOO Aggie
Cardinal
03-23-2009, 08:42 PM
One good blow by Jason on her head with one of those wrenches should have killed her. Sorry to be graphic but her head would have cracked open like an egg. I wonder why there were so many blows? You can't say overkill because most of the blows were not fatal were they? imo
GMTA, anna. The only explanation I can come up with is blind rage.
Cardinal
03-23-2009, 08:44 PM
I know. It's hard to imagine a cold blooded killer and how their mind works. I can't think that way. But based on the known evidence, I think he planned it well before he left home that night headed for the Cracker Barrel. IMO
I understand that it looks that way, in many respects. I guess I'm still holding out hope that it wasn't premeditated.
I agree with Tia - that's eerie. I'd still like to think, that IF Jason killed Michelle, it wasn't premeditated for any longer than the drive from Hillsville.
Me too. I've always followed the same theory as you, that he planned it at the last minute, but based on what is coming out, its getting harder and harder to believe that he didn't plan it.
JMO
Cardinal
03-23-2009, 08:50 PM
Me too. I've always followed the same theory as you, that he planned it at the last minute, but based on what is coming out, its getting harder and harder to believe that he didn't plan it.
JMO
I know, Tia. I just wish we knew everything LE knows. Eventually, I guess, we will.
Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:
To wit: the printout on his computer.
MOO Aggie
......the calls to his friends.....
achristie
03-23-2009, 08:53 PM
One good blow by Jason on her head with one of those wrenches should have killed her. Sorry to be graphic but her head would have cracked open like an egg. I wonder why there were so many blows? You can't say overkill because most of the blows were not fatal were they? imo
So, Anna, you know about those wrenches, too? Big, heavy, ugly things. And, I agree, they could do some damage. I'm probably way off base, but I considered what Detective Spivey said in his testimony. He stated that MY moved around the room trying to escape the blows. (Gawd, have I become too hardened discussing such detail ? ). From that, I concluded the initial weak blows to the back of her head were due to just that. She was a moving target. Once she weakened and fell to the floor, he nailed her with the final blow.
MOO Aggie
GMTA, anna. The only explanation I can come up with is blind rage.
Yup. And from what we are learning, he hated Michelle.
annalyzer
03-23-2009, 08:59 PM
So, Anna, you know about those wrenches, too? Big, heavy, ugly things. And, I agree, they could do some damage. I'm probably way off base, but I considered what Detective Spivey said in his testimony. He stated that MY moved around the room trying to escape the blows. (Gawd, have I become too hardened discussing such detail ? ). From that, I concluded the initial weak blows to the back of her head were due to just that. She was a moving target. Once she weakened and fell to the floor, he nailed her with the final blow.
MOO Aggie
I've seen some of you talking about that but haven't read it I don't think? Could someone point it out to me? But you're right, if that is the case then that would explain it.
Kat4Eagles
03-23-2009, 09:03 PM
You don't think Jason took the bat into Cracker Barrel with him? :)
Nope!!
Baseball season ends in Oct with the World Series.
Most men put away their bats until spring.
It would now be early Nov.=football season.
But, in his garage is another thing.
And, if the killer came into the home through the garage,
they could have had access to anything.
I sometimes think Michelle may have heard a noise and grabbed
a bat, golf club, whatever, and that was the very weapon
used to kill her.
:(
Kat
achristie
03-23-2009, 09:38 PM
I've seen some of you talking about that but haven't read it I don't think? Could someone point it out to me? But you're right, if that is the case then that would explain it.
I'm the worst with links, but I will try and find it for you.
Jester
03-23-2009, 10:10 PM
I think the killer brought a weapon with them. I think it was a hockey stick.
A hockey stick? Does a hockey stick fit with the injuries to Michelle?
Jester
03-23-2009, 10:16 PM
And, you don't think there was a baseball bat somewhere already in the home, garage, attic?
If you think it was Jason, the guy lived there..and would have all his sports stuff there.
Or, anything else , for that matter, like a mask, gloves, too.
Sheesh, you don't carry a murder weapon roundtrip when you are away on business..
And, if it was someone else, they still had access to Jason's stuff.
Kat
Uhm, your question was: "What weapon may have already been in the bedroom of Michelle and Jason?"
I really think he brought a weapon with him, and didn't use something in the bedroom.
Jester
03-23-2009, 10:18 PM
I've always believed he brought the weapon with him, as well. For some reason, I have envisioned a long, heavy wrench. My father used to have this great big wrench on his work bench - perhaps that's why?
Whatever ... I think he came prepared.
I also wonder how much time was spent trying to find the weapon and the clothes? He covered so much territory one would think that would be impossible.
MOO Aggie
The police may get lucky and the weapon will be identified by what is missing, such as a wrench or baseball bat. In Michael Peterson's case, the weapon was what was missing.
kingbuff
03-23-2009, 10:18 PM
Doesn't Meredith have Cassidy at home again starting tomorrow? (Oh happy days!)
Oh, Happy Days? Good grief, Barbara! Dragging that little girl to Raleigh, to New York, disrupting her schedule, surrounding her with women gushing how cute you are! just like your mother! are you lonely? do you miss your mother? here are some more pictures of your beautiful mother! don't you wish she was with you today? oh I know we wish your mother could be here with you on your birthday oh maybe you can get another mother soon.....
Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
Barbara2
03-23-2009, 10:22 PM
Oh, Happy Days? Good grief, Barbara! Dragging that little girl to Raleigh, to New York, disrupting her schedule, surrounding her with women gushing how cute you are! just like your mother! are you lonely? do you miss your mother? here are some more pictures of your beautiful mother! don't you wish she was with you today? oh I know we wish your mother could be here with you on your birthday oh maybe you can get another mother soon.....
Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
I'm happy that the beautiful child is with her loving family. IMO
A hockey stick? Does a hockey stick fit with the injuries to Michelle?
Not at all. Too light. I'm saying a baseball bat.
kingbuff
03-23-2009, 10:26 PM
What is your theory on the reasons for Carol Anne Sowerby spending the weekend with Jason shortly before Michelle was murdered? They were both married, Michelle was pregnant, timelines indicate Michelle was away that weekend, and it appears that Jason and Carol Anne renewed contact about 6 months before Michelle was murdered. What reason would Jason have for arranging a weekend visit with a woman that he knew when he was a camp counselor and she was a teenager? What reason would a married man have for renewing a relationship with a woman that he was responsible for while she was a teenager?
I thought you wanted to be a serious poster. Yet here you are just like the other women with your gossip about a young lady you know nothing about. What next? An inspection of her underwear? If you have information tying her into a murder plot, bring it on. Otherwise, go back to your serious gossip.
achristie
03-23-2009, 10:30 PM
Oh, Happy Days? Good grief, Barbara! Dragging that little girl to Raleigh, to New York, disrupting her schedule, surrounding her with women gushing how cute you are! just like your mother! are you lonely? do you miss your mother? here are some more pictures of your beautiful mother! don't you wish she was with you today? oh I know we wish your mother could be here with you on your birthday oh maybe you can get another mother soon.....
Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
:ohmy: I can't believe you have posted this!
Don't go there about whose fault this is? Are you kidding me?
Does it have to be this way? I suggest you pose that question to her father. Why did YOU make it this way?
Are you speaking for the family? Is this how they feel?
I hope not.
MOO Aggie
kingbuff
03-23-2009, 10:31 PM
I'm happy that the beautiful child is with her loving family. IMO
Her loving family is in Brevard. You know nothing about the people she is going to visit nor her family in Brevard. In a family situation you don't know and cannot possibly understand, you should be neutral.
Barbara2
03-23-2009, 10:33 PM
Her loving family is in Brevard. <snipped>
Not according to the evidence. IMO
achristie
03-23-2009, 10:34 PM
I thought you wanted to be a serious poster. Yet here you are just like the other women with your gossip about a young lady you know nothing about. What next? An inspection of her underwear? If you have information tying her into a murder plot, bring it on. Otherwise, go back to your serious gossip.
I saw no mention of Jester tying her into a murder plot.
A tryst ? Maybe. I'm not interested other than it goes to MOTIVE .
MOO Aggie
annalyzer
03-23-2009, 10:38 PM
I am glad Cassidy is being told about how much her mother loved her. Was her mother ever mentioned or photos of her shown to Cassidy before?
Barbara2
03-23-2009, 10:39 PM
I am glad Cassidy is being told about how much her mother loved her. Was her mother ever mentioned or photos of her shown to Cassidy before?
It doesn't sound like it.
luna24
03-23-2009, 10:47 PM
Oh, Happy Days? Good grief, Barbara! Dragging that little girl to Raleigh, to New York, disrupting her schedule, surrounding her with women gushing how cute you are! just like your mother! are you lonely? do you miss your mother? here are some more pictures of your beautiful mother! don't you wish she was with you today? oh I know we wish your mother could be here with you on your birthday oh maybe you can get another mother soon.....
Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
I feel terrible for Cassidy that she has lost her mother...not that she is going to NY for a reunion with her mother's family -- her family.
Maybe it would have been different if the Youngs had given more visitation to the Fishers the last couple of years..
and of course, maybe things could be different too if what the police and many others believe to be true -- that her father didn't brutally murder her mother.
Leanne Weich
03-23-2009, 10:54 PM
How anyone can begrudge Cassidy the opportunity to know what a wonderful loving mom she had is beyond me. BTW, Kingbuff, I think you are projecting your warped ideas onto mentally healthy kin of Cassidys. I doubt they're going to ram down Cassie's throat anything detrimental to her nor, imo, will they tell her how unlucky she is her mom is not with her or anything of that sort. I'm sure Michelle will be brought to life in Cassie's mind in a healthy and loving way. The Fishers have yet to display anything unhealthy in their day-to-day lives since Michelle's death that we have seen and I see no reason why they'd start now.
In fact, the rumor about LF saying JY killed Michelle at her wake hasn't been verified by anyone impartial either although, admittedly, if she did, her theory has been confirmed, albeit by a civil court and Det. Spivey too.
I personally don't see her Brevard family as very loving. Not one of them talked JY into defendin himself against the WDS nor did they even attempt to stop MY from gaining custody of Cassie. As a grandmother, I cannot comprehend allowing custody of my g/child to be given to her aunt before me. Maybe mountain and city folk have different ideas of what a loving family is?
Her loving family is in Brevard. You know nothing about the people she is going to visit nor her family in Brevard. In a family situation you don't know and cannot possibly understand, you should be neutral.
You have NO IDEA who knows who KB.
JMO
janesdeaan
03-23-2009, 11:21 PM
Her loving family is in Brevard. You know nothing about the people she is going to visit nor her family in Brevard. In a family situation you don't know and cannot possibly understand, you should be neutral.
I'm not sure you really know much about either family, but, her loving family in Brevard didn't lift a finger to fight the custody battle so that tells me they are FINE with the Fishers raising Cassidy.
trucrime
03-23-2009, 11:53 PM
Oh, Happy Days? Good grief, Barbara! Dragging that little girl to Raleigh, to New York, disrupting her schedule, surrounding her with women gushing how cute you are! just like your mother! are you lonely? do you miss your mother? here are some more pictures of your beautiful mother! don't you wish she was with you today? oh I know we wish your mother could be here with you on your birthday oh maybe you can get another mother soon.....
Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
You sound pretty bitter there. Of course, I see you say nothing negative about the Young's who didnt even allow visitation, returned gifts unopened, wouldnt allow phone calls. They cared so much, they didnt bother to contest the custody agreement on their own.
Your post is really inappropriate on a few levels as well, Barbara doesnt deserve that kind of personal attack. :no:
Im sure Cassidy will be more than fine. In August she'll have fully transitioned. Contrary to what some thought and possibly hoped, she did NOT forget about her Mother and asks about her. IMO.
Jester
03-24-2009, 12:11 AM
Not at all. Too light. I'm saying a baseball bat.
I can't see anyone hauling a hockey stick around while sneaking into his bedroom to murder his wife. Impossible.
Jester
03-24-2009, 12:16 AM
I thought you wanted to be a serious poster. Yet here you are just like the other women with your gossip about a young lady you know nothing about. What next? An inspection of her underwear? If you have information tying her into a murder plot, bring it on. Otherwise, go back to your serious gossip.
The information about CA Sowerby speaks to motive. It confirms that Jason had moved on emotionally and was actively pursuing several new conquests.
Kat4Eagles
03-24-2009, 12:56 AM
I can't see anyone hauling a hockey stick around while sneaking into his bedroom to murder his wife. Impossible.
I don't think anyone brought the murder weapon with them, as I never thought the murder was planned to begin with.......
You don't need to look up head injuries or head trauma if your plan was to use a baseball bat........or a golf club..........or a hockey stick.........
I think it was possible that if Michelle seemed uneasy when Jason was gone for the nite, that they may have kept something in the bedroom to make her feel more comfortable or safe.
We can only wish she had a gun and we would be talking about the killer(s) being dead, instead of her.......
That also brings me back to the question of whether CY was in bed with her before the attack, that had to shock the killer somewhat too, if they were not expecting her to be there.
Would they really try to kill Michelle with CY right there?
I don't think so.
JMO
Kat
Kat4Eagles
03-24-2009, 01:04 AM
Then there was the stories of MM and friends she always stayed with in town. I don't think we can use names.
I agree, even with MM, we always use initials.
She is someone's Mom.
With the latest info, I don't know if it has been proven that she and Jason had an affair, so I think we should be careful putting people's full names out there.
JMO
Kat
Kat4Eagles
03-24-2009, 01:08 AM
Her loving family is in Brevard. You know nothing about the people she is going to visit nor her family in Brevard. In a family situation you don't know and cannot possibly understand, you should be neutral.
You are right when you say that people do not know or understand the entire situation, myself included.
I guess , after posting for 2 years + on a case, you think you know the players, but clearly "we" don't.
Thank you for pointing that out, and that CY will be home for her 5th birthday...............I can only wish her the best........
Kat
Leanne Weich
03-24-2009, 06:08 AM
You are right when you say that people do not know or understand the entire situation, myself included.
I guess , after posting for 2 years + on a case, you think you know the players, but clearly "we" don't.
Thank you for pointing that out, and that CY will be home for her 5th birthday...............I can only wish her the best........
Kat
Whilst "we" don't know the players, we have learned quite a bit over the past 2+ years. We've learned that:-
the gifts sent by Michelle's family to Cassidy were returned;
the Fishers were not afforded regular or unsupervised visitation with Cassidy;
the Fishers have never bad mouthed JY publically to the point that it has been reported in the media (what Linda is supposed to have said at the wake has not been confirmed) and the Youngs did not attempt to stop Meredith from getting the vast majority of custody of Cassidy; and either did not or were not able to talk JY into fighting the WDS.
Those are but a few things we do know. I'm glad that Cassie will be with Michelle's family so close to her birthday - I'm sure they'll throw her a wonderful early BD party and I'm sure Grandma Pat will too. Given the fact that she can't have her mom with her, this should still be a fun and special time for her, imo.
5swab5
03-24-2009, 08:54 AM
Her loving family is in Brevard. You know nothing about the people she is going to visit nor her family in Brevard. In a family situation you don't know and cannot possibly understand, you should be neutral.
Some Love, Some Family. Take it up with the slayer, he is the one that is ceding PRIMARY physical custody. MOO
Leanne Weich
03-24-2009, 09:03 AM
Some Love, Some Family. Take it up with the slayer, he is the one that is ceding PRIMARY physical custody. MOO
I'm constantly astounded at the brevard Clan being held as the standard bearers of a loving family when one only has to look at how they have treated their late daughter-in-law's mother to see just how unloving they are. Irrespective of how Jason felt about Michelle, she was their daughter/sister-in-law for a few years and, as such, one would expect them to show some compassion to her family, imo.
5swab5
03-24-2009, 09:04 AM
I thought you wanted to be a serious poster. Yet here you are just like the other women with your gossip about a young lady you know nothing about. What next? An inspection of her underwear? If you have information tying her into a murder plot, bring it on. Otherwise, go back to your serious gossip.
Attacking Jester won't change the slayer's history with women outside his marriage, his treatment of Michelle, his abuse of his position as a parent by using Cassidy as date-bait on the Internet, or his decision to ONCE AGAIN put himself first and cede PRIMARY physical custody of Cassidy. MOO
5swab5
03-24-2009, 09:14 AM
I'm constantly astounded at the brevard Clan being held as the standard bearers of a loving family when one only has to look at how they have treated their late daughter-in-law's mother to see just how unloving they are. Irrespective of how Jason felt about Michelle, she was their daughter/sister-in-law for a few years and, as such, one would expect them to show some compassion to her family, imo.
Their indifference to Michelle and Rylan both before and after death, can only be explained by the closing of ranks to protect the slayer.
In the beginning, they shocked, dismayed and repulsed me.
No more.
I expect nothing, that way I won't be disappointed. MOO
5swab5
03-24-2009, 09:33 AM
Oh, Happy Days? Good grief, Barbara! Dragging that little girl to Raleigh, to New York, disrupting her schedule, surrounding her with women gushing how cute you are! just like your mother! are you lonely? do you miss your mother? here are some more pictures of your beautiful mother! don't you wish she was with you today? oh I know we wish your mother could be here with you on your birthday oh maybe you can get another mother soon.....
Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
Whoa! This is one of your nastier ones.
You better believe I am happy that Cassidy is away from the spiteful, controlling, abusive, violent, lying slayer and his enabling family. With friends that are willing to speak of the Fishers as you just did, Cassidy is well away from Brevard too.
There must be a special place in the special place with an extra special afterburner room for people that attack the mother of a crime victim.
No, it didn't have to be this way, but for it to be any different, you would have to be able to turn back time. Either Jason lets Michelle and Rylan live or he talks and you get to visit him in prison a little sooner.
MOO
BSNBREVARDNC
03-24-2009, 09:44 AM
You have NO IDEA who knows who KB.
JMO
That point has been proven time and time again. IMO:thumbsup:
BSNBREVARDNC
03-24-2009, 09:49 AM
Oh, Happy Days? Good grief, Barbara! Dragging that little girl to Raleigh, to New York, disrupting her schedule, surrounding her with women gushing how cute you are! just like your mother! are you lonely? do you miss your mother? here are some more pictures of your beautiful mother! don't you wish she was with you today? oh I know we wish your mother could be here with you on your birthday oh maybe you can get another mother soon.....
Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
If this is true, then maybe her father should have done something about it. He agreed to give up primary custody so who are you to judge him or his decision. I think it is horrible that you come on here and bash a single father who is doing what he thinks is in the best interest of his little child. If he thinks that she is better off with MF having primary custody then it is none of your business. He is her father and not you. He has made the decision that is in her best interest and that is all you need to know.
IMO of course..............:w00t:
Some Love, Some Family. Take it up with the slayer, he is the one that is ceding PRIMARY physical custody. MOO
So true Swabby, The "Slayer" obviously isn't too concerned............
I am quite surprised to see that the horrible post KB made to Barbara still stands.
Was it reported?
JMO
That point has been proven time and time again. IMO:thumbsup:
That it has!!! So far the record stands..............wrong on all counts!!! I reckon its gonna be quite a shock when the "who's who" comes out.
I'm still shocked! That post didn't even get the wagging finger!!!
:scared:
bsatis
03-24-2009, 10:22 AM
That it has!!! So far the record stands..............wrong on all counts!!! I reckon its gonna be quite a shock when the "who's who" comes out.
I'm still shocked! That post didn't even get the wagging finger!!!
:scared:
Of course it wouldn't get the wagging finger. It has been my observation that only those folks who think JY is guilty and MF FAR from guilty get the wag. Then again, perhaps one of us can start our own wagging campaign.
kingbuff
03-24-2009, 10:28 AM
If this is true, then maybe her father should have done something about it. He agreed to give up primary custody so who are you to judge him or his decision. I think it is horrible that you come on here and bash a single father who is doing what he thinks is in the best interest of his little child. If he thinks that she is better off with MF having primary custody then it is none of your business. He is her father and not you. He has made the decision that is in her best interest and that is all you need to know.
IMO of course..............:w00t:
Anyone who has followed this case knows it was the detective who played God with this little girl's life. It was the detective via Linda who forced the father to make his decision.
You, of course, missed my point. I'll repeat: Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
Doorbell
03-24-2009, 10:38 AM
Anyone who has followed this case knows it was the detective who played God with this little girl's life. It was the detective via Linda who forced the father to make his decision.
You, of course, missed my point. I'll repeat: Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
How do you know what "way" it is? You are not there (thank goodness).
Detectives don't "play God." Jason "played God" when he took the life of Michelle and Rylan.
How many times do you have to be told that the fault lies with Jason?
He refused to talk with police.
He allowed/approved/instigated the actions of his family towards Michelle's family.
He refused to answer the wrongful death suit.
He refused to answer the custody suit, and allowed his lawyer to cede primary custody of Cassidy to Meredith.
Nobody "forced" the slayer to do anything.
IMO
BSNBREVARDNC
03-24-2009, 10:45 AM
Anyone who has followed this case knows it was the detective who played God with this little girl's life. It was the detective via Linda who forced the father to make his decision.
You, of course, missed my point. I'll repeat: Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
The detective is to blame, LF is to blame, MF is to blame, even MY is to blame. But let's not forget, NC Wanted and most all of the media, the judge, posters that don't buy your spin, former friends that have seen the light, and all Yankees are to blame also. However, Jason is as pure as the new fallen snow and is not to blame for anything? KB, Jason is a grown man well over 21 years old. He can make his own decisions, and we have all seen the bad ones he has made, but he needs to start taking responsibility for his actions. It is easy to see why he hasn't. Surround by enablers and a constant flow of "It's not your fault", it's easy to see how his life came to it's present state. There is plenty of blame to go around, but it's not for those that you point your finger at. The real blame is for Jason and his enablers.
Just my opinion of course.
But anyway, take care and have a beautiful day.
5swab5
03-24-2009, 10:55 AM
Anyone who has followed this case knows it was the detective who played God with this little girl's life. It was the detective via Linda who forced the father to make his decision.
You, of course, missed my point. I'll repeat: Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
Forced? Laughable! I'm so sure Spivey was holding Jason's hand on the pen when he offered up the Child Custody Consent Agreement and signed over PRIMARY physical custody of his only daughter. He did it to protect himself, plain and simple. The :cough: innocent :cough: man wouldn't stand up for his child, Not normal in any scenario. He USED Cassidy as a barganing chip for a few more days freedom. There simply is NO OTHER reasonable explanation. MOO
How do you know what "way" it is? You are not there (thank goodness).
Detectives don't "play God." Jason "played God" when he took the life of Michelle and Rylan.
How many times do you have to be told that the fault lies with Jason?
He refused to talk with police.
He allowed/approved/instigated the actions of his family towards Michelle's family.
He refused to answer the wrongful death suit.
He refused to answer the custody suit, and allowed his lawyer to cede primary custody of Cassidy to Meredith.
Nobody "forced" the slayer to do anything.
IMO
I was going to respond, but could not have said it any better than you did DB.
Jason created all of this and ruined so many other lives.
Amazingly, its still "everyone else's fault".
No wonder Jason grew up to be what he is.
Has he ever been held accountable for anything in his life?
Was everyone else always to blame everytime he got into trouble?
JMO
Anyone who has followed this case knows it was the detective who played God with this little girl's life. It was the detective via Linda who forced the father to make his decision.
You, of course, missed my point. I'll repeat: Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
I see nothing wrong with being joyful that a little child is away from her
mother's named slayer.
JMO
5swab5
03-24-2009, 11:37 AM
I see nothing wrong with being joyful that a little child is away from her
mother's named slayer.
JMO
When Jason proclaimed I don't care who gets her, he said it with disgust and hatred. Now that he has had the option to fight for Cassidy or submit to a psyche evaluation and a deposition, and he chose to cede PRIMARY physical custody of Cassidy instead, it is clear to me that he still holds that disdain in his heart.
It would be more productive for some to aim their wrath at the slayer rather than Michelle's relatives. After all, Jason made his bed...Michelle, Rylan, Linda and Meredith had no choice in the matter. MOO
Barbara2
03-24-2009, 12:06 PM
So true Swabby, The "Slayer" obviously isn't too concerned............
I am quite surprised to see that the horrible post KB made to Barbara still stands.
Was it reported?
JMO
I didn't read it as an attack on me. I read it more as an attack on Jason. It sounds like he was being sarcastic with the remark about "dragging the child to Raleigh, New York" in light of Jason "dragging the child to Florida, Puerto Rico, New England, Montana, his sister's house, his mother's house and who knows where else". I was really surprised that he has turned and would attack Jason in that way but I guess everyone has their limit. :shrug:
IMO
Doorbell
03-24-2009, 12:09 PM
I didn't read it as an attack on me. I read it more as an attack on Jason. It sounds like he was being sarcastic with the remark about "dragging the child to Raleigh, New York" in light of Jason "dragging the child to Florida, Puerto Rico, New England, Montana, his sister's house, his mother's house and who knows where else". I was really surprised that he has turned and would attack Jason in that way but I guess everyone has their limit. :shrug:
IMO
Never mind his plan to inflict upon her a series of temporary "mommies." Somebody should tell him it's bad form to include his child in his "romances."
luna24
03-24-2009, 12:13 PM
I agree, even with MM, we always use initials.
She is someone's Mom.
With the latest info, I don't know if it has been proven that she and Jason had an affair, so I think we should be careful putting people's full names out there.
JMO
Kat
I think it has been proven that she had an affair with JY - she admitted it to police. What other proof do you need?
I don't feel she needs protection -- her name is right there in court records. It saddens me that she's a mother....I feel sorry for that child that is being raised by a parent like that -- someone who would sleep with her friend's husband and hope that he was the father of her child.
Doorbell
03-24-2009, 12:16 PM
I think it has been proven that she had an affair with JY - she admitted it to police. What other proof do you need?
I don't feel she needs protection -- her name is right there in court records. It saddens me that she's a mother....I feel sorry for that child that is being raised by a parent like that -- someone who would sleep with her friend's husband and hope that he was the father of her child.
Oh, just ew.
jerzeegirl
03-24-2009, 12:23 PM
i know today is a grand jury day but i just dont think its going to happen today. I mean, i sure hope it does but i have the feeling it wont. This DA seems to work in slow motion. Someone needs to light a fire under the DA offices butts and get him behind bars where he belongs.
Stellagant
03-24-2009, 12:43 PM
Whilst "we" don't know the players, we have learned quite a bit over the past 2+ years. We've learned that:-
the gifts sent by Michelle's family to Cassidy were returned;
the Fishers were not afforded regular or unsupervised visitation with Cassidy;
the Fishers have never bad mouthed JY publically to the point that it has been reported in the media (what Linda is supposed to have said at the wake has not been confirmed) and the Youngs did not attempt to stop Meredith from getting the vast majority of custody of Cassidy; and either did not or were not able to talk JY into fighting the WDS.
Those are but a few things we do know. I'm glad that Cassie will be with Michelle's family so close to her birthday - I'm sure they'll throw her a wonderful early BD party and I'm sure Grandma Pat will too. Given the fact that she can't have her mom with her, this should still be a fun and special time for her, imo.
You sure have a selective memory because the Fishers trashed Jason publicly in both the wrongful death and custody claims.
luna24
03-24-2009, 12:47 PM
You sure have a selective memory because the Fishers trashed Jason publicly in both the wrongful death and custody claims.
But the WD and custody suits were filed long after the Fishers were treated poorly since Michelle's murder..and at the same time JY was declared the slayer of their daughter..anything they said in those suits about him would be justified to me...
Stellagant
03-24-2009, 12:48 PM
Forced? Laughable! I'm so sure Spivey was holding Jason's hand on the pen when he offered up the Child Custody Consent Agreement and signed over PRIMARY physical custody of his only daughter. He did it to protect himself, plain and simple. The :cough: innocent :cough: man wouldn't stand up for his child, Not normal in any scenario. He USED Cassidy as a barganing chip for a few more days freedom. There simply is NO OTHER reasonable explanation. MOO
Yes, I think you are absolutely correct and Jason did agree to settle in order to protect himself. The Fishers used the custody claim to exact their revenge on Jason and they got it.
The bigger question is why did the Fishers settle? Why did they drop their demand for a psych evaluation? It appears they did so to protect themselves rather than to protect Cassidy.
annalyzer
03-24-2009, 12:53 PM
I think it has been proven that she had an affair with JY - she admitted it to police. What other proof do you need?
I don't feel she needs protection -- her name is right there in court records. It saddens me that she's a mother....I feel sorry for that child that is being raised by a parent like that -- someone who would sleep with her friend's husband and hope that he was the father of her child.
I never could and never would even date a man that one of my girlfriends had dated, much less married. That is about as low as you can get.
Stellagant
03-24-2009, 12:53 PM
But the WD and custody suits were filed long after the Fishers were treated poorly since Michelle's murder..and at the same time JY was declared the slayer of their daughter..anything they said in those suits about him would be justified to me...
It really amazes how the Fishers have placed themselves at the center of attention rather than doing what is best for Cassidy. Jason has never publicly trashed the Fishers but now that the WDS is over, I don't believe his law firm is going to remain silent forever.
I didn't read it as an attack on me. I read it more as an attack on Jason. It sounds like he was being sarcastic with the remark about "dragging the child to Raleigh, New York" in light of Jason "dragging the child to Florida, Puerto Rico, New England, Montana, his sister's house, his mother's house and who knows where else". I was really surprised that he has turned and would attack Jason in that way but I guess everyone has their limit. :shrug:
IMO
I guess at this point, some are just attacking out of anger.
JMO
5swab5
03-24-2009, 01:03 PM
You sure have a selective memory because the Fishers trashed Jason publicly in both the wrongful death and custody claims.
"Trashed" is certainly a biased term. Lest you forget, they had witnesses to back up their claims against the slayer in a court of law.MOO.
luna24
03-24-2009, 01:08 PM
It really amazes how the Fishers have placed themselves at the center of attention rather than doing what is best for Cassidy. Jason has never publicly trashed the Fishers but now that the WDS is over, I don't believe his law firm is going to remain silent forever.
I'll be interested in hearing what the Youngs have to say. They are the ones that have chosen to be quiet thus far.
I think you're mistaken...the Fishers haven't placed themselves as the center of attention -- they have placed Cassidy there in getting custody of her because most people feel it will be in her best interest, including the courts.
5swab5
03-24-2009, 01:18 PM
It really amazes how the Fishers have placed themselves at the center of attention rather than doing what is best for Cassidy. Jason has never publicly trashed the Fishers but now that the WDS is over, I don't believe his law firm is going to remain silent forever.
Jason has been VERY disrespectful of the Fisher family!
They followed the guidelines set down by the courts and removed Cassidy as best they could from the clutches of the slayer and his enabling family. I call that a win!
I don't believe that the law firm represents Jason at the moment. How much does he need to pay for staying quiet? The real bills will start rolling in soon enough, unless he does the honorable thing....fat chance. MOO
reborn
03-24-2009, 01:47 PM
I'm constantly astounded at the brevard Clan being held as the standard bearers of a loving family when one only has to look at how they have treated their late daughter-in-law's mother to see just how unloving they are. Irrespective of how Jason felt about Michelle, she was their daughter/sister-in-law for a few years and, as such, one would expect them to show some compassion to her family, imo.
I notice you constantly berate the Youngs by calling them a clan. Is that done because they are from NC? Should we then be allowed to call the Fishers a mob? Since they are from NY.
trucrime
03-24-2009, 02:04 PM
You sure have a selective memory because the Fishers trashed Jason publicly in both the wrongful death and custody claims.
They presented allegations against Jason that Jason didnt care to bother to deny. IMO.
trucrime
03-24-2009, 02:06 PM
I notice you constantly berate the Youngs by calling them a clan. Is that done because they are from NC? Should we then be allowed to call the Fishers a mob? Since they are from NY.
Uh, "clan" is another word for family. :rolleyes: IMO.
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–noun 1. a group of families or households, as among the Scottish Highlanders, the heads of which claim descent from a common ancestor: the Mackenzie clan.
2. a group of people of common descent; family: Our whole clan got together for Thanksgiving.
3. a group of people, as a clique, set, society, or party, esp. as united by some common trait, characteristic, or interest: a clan of actors and directors.
4. Anthropology. a. the principal social unit of tribal organization, in which descent is reckoned exclusively in either the paternal or the maternal line.
b. a group of people regarded as being descended from a common ancestor.
janesdeaan
03-24-2009, 02:07 PM
You sure have a selective memory because the Fishers trashed Jason publicly in both the wrongful death and custody claims.
No, they filed claims against Jason due to his actions against their loved ones and they did it legally, and their claims were found to be true. It could hardly be considered a "public trashing", by any stretch.
trucrime
03-24-2009, 02:12 PM
It really amazes how the Fishers have placed themselves at the center of attention rather than doing what is best for Cassidy. Jason has never publicly trashed the Fishers but now that the WDS is over, I don't believe his law firm is going to remain silent forever.
Time will tell. I think he will have to speak up in the criminal defense trial but until then I doubt it.
Jason never did what was "best for Cassidy" because he killed her mother & unborn brother. IMO.
trucrime
03-24-2009, 02:13 PM
No, they filed claims against Jason due to his actions against their loved ones and they did it legally, and their claims were found to be true. It could hardly be considered a "public trashing", by any stretch.
I agree with what you said above, yet we're insulted by saying we have "selective memory". :rolleyes: IMO.
janesdeaan
03-24-2009, 02:14 PM
Anyone who has followed this case knows it was the detective who played God with this little girl's life. It was the detective via Linda who forced the father to make his decision.
You, of course, missed my point. I'll repeat: Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
The Detective investigated this murder case for over 2 years and his educated opinion is that Jason Young is a murderer. Any fallout (changes made in Cassidy's life) that come from that opinion should be expected.
"Trashed" is certainly a biased term. Lest you forget, they had witnesses to back up their claims against the slayer in a court of law.MOO.
Did I read right? The Fisher's are trashing Jason now???
:sad:
janesdeaan
03-24-2009, 02:18 PM
I agree with what you said above, yet we're insulted by saying we have "selective memory". :rolleyes: IMO.
No reason to feel insulted trucrime, that poster has posted yet again, in error !
kingbuff
03-24-2009, 02:38 PM
The Detective investigated this murder case for over 2 years and his educated opinion is that Jason Young is a murderer. Any fallout (changes made in Cassidy's life) that come from that opinion should be expected.
I hope someone who sees Cassie will remind her that 'fallout' should be expected. That might be a little hard for a five-year-old to grasp. In my opinion, you haven't grasped the concept that the detective callously used the little girl to get at Jason. His ploy failed and the little girl suffers the 'fallout' and the detective moves on.
Time will tell. I think he will have to speak up in the criminal defense trial but until then I doubt it.
Jason never did what was "best for Cassidy" because he killed her mother & unborn brother. IMO.
No, he sure didn't. Jason has no one to blame but Jason.
He could have just got a divorce! He could have opened his mouth and fought the WDS, fought for Cassidy.
He didn't. He was more worried about saving his own butt.
JMO
Leanne Weich
03-24-2009, 02:52 PM
"Trashed" is certainly a biased term. Lest you forget, they had witnesses to back up their claims against the slayer in a court of law.MOO.
I don't believe anything said in a Court proceeding qualifies as trashing anyone - unless it is proven to be perjurious or, in the case of Linda and Meredith, if they'd added an "upon information and belief" statement, knowing full well that what they were informing and believing was untrue. Their allegations in both the WDS and the custody suit, certainly were not trashing JY.
trucrime
03-24-2009, 03:06 PM
I hope someone who sees Cassie will remind her that 'fallout' should be expected. That might be a little hard for a five-year-old to grasp. In my opinion, you haven't grasped the concept that the detective callously used the little girl to get at Jason. His ploy failed and the little girl suffers the 'fallout' and the detective moves on.
Det. Spivey did no such thing.
So seeing Cassidy happy being with Meredith & Linda, getting to see extended family she was DENIED seeing for a few YEARS by JASON is considered "fallout"?
What about the "fallout" she'll experience from not having her mother or brother she'll never know around? What about the "fallout" she's already experienced thanks to Jason having denied the Fisher's time and presents/phone calls?
Can I ask you, why is this the Fisher's fault - and not Jason's? He clearly had the time to speak up, its his own fault he did not. IMO.
Leanne Weich
03-24-2009, 03:35 PM
I notice you constantly berate the Youngs by calling them a clan. Is that done because they are from NC? Should we then be allowed to call the Fishers a mob? Since they are from NY.
I don't consider calling a family a clan to be berating them. I have stated facts as we know them. The Fisher clan have been called far worse than a clan and, no, imo we should not refer to them as a mob. They've done nothing to warrant being called such a disrespectful name. I'm sorry you view being called a clan as something disrespectful.
Jester
03-24-2009, 04:25 PM
You sure have a selective memory because the Fishers trashed Jason publicly in both the wrongful death and custody claims.
Jason had no objections, or response, to sworn statements in either the wrongful death suit or the custody application. Why do you?
Jester
03-24-2009, 04:32 PM
I hope someone who sees Cassie will remind her that 'fallout' should be expected. That might be a little hard for a five-year-old to grasp. In my opinion, you haven't grasped the concept that the detective callously used the little girl to get at Jason. His ploy failed and the little girl suffers the 'fallout' and the detective moves on.
Linda and Meredith are quite capable of independent thoughts and decisions. To suggest that they were manipulated by a third party to make decisions about their lives, and that of Cassidy, is somewhat bizarre. There was no ploy, Jason is not being persecuted, there is no conspiracy. Cassidy is better off with a loving family that can provide a stable, structured home environment. Jason, over the period of two years, has demonstrated that he can not provide a home, let alone a stable, structured environment. Why do you see this transition to a home life as a problem?
Cardinal
03-24-2009, 06:51 PM
I hope someone who sees Cassie will remind her that 'fallout' should be expected. That might be a little hard for a five-year-old to grasp. In my opinion, you haven't grasped the concept that the detective callously used the little girl to get at Jason. His ploy failed and the little girl suffers the 'fallout' and the detective moves on.
IMVHO, a 5-year-old child who as a 2-year-old tried to put bandaids on her mother's badly beaten body can probably grasp things far beyond her years. Again IMVHO, any child who has been through that horrible experience deserves to be surrounded by all of the loving family available to her.
And the only time I'm aware that Cassidy has been "used" was when she was used as chick bait on craigslist.
As for fallout, any fallout Cassidy is suffering is as a result of her mother's brutal murder. So the only person responsible for that fallout is the murderer.
JMO
kingbuff
03-24-2009, 07:08 PM
Linda and Meredith are quite capable of independent thoughts and decisions. To suggest that they were manipulated by a third party to make decisions about their lives, and that of Cassidy, is somewhat bizarre. There was no ploy, Jason is not being persecuted, there is no conspiracy. Cassidy is better off with a loving family that can provide a stable, structured home environment. Jason, over the period of two years, has demonstrated that he can not provide a home, let alone a stable, structured environment. Why do you see this transition to a home life as a problem?
The detective used them, just as he used the little girl. The Fishers' desire made them unwilling or incapable of seeing or resenting the manipulation. Just my opinion and all that jazz.
Cardinal
03-24-2009, 07:18 PM
The detective used them, just as he used the little girl. The Fishers' desire made them unwilling or incapable of seeing or resenting the manipulation. Just my opinion and all that jazz.
Why didn't Cassidy's father prevent it from happening? Isn't it his responsibility to protect her?
kingbuff
03-24-2009, 07:19 PM
Linda and Meredith are quite capable of independent thoughts and decisions. To suggest that they were manipulated by a third party to make decisions about their lives, and that of Cassidy, is somewhat bizarre. There was no ploy, Jason is not being persecuted, there is no conspiracy. Cassidy is better off with a loving family that can provide a stable, structured home environment. Jason, over the period of two years, has demonstrated that he can not provide a home, let alone a stable, structured environment. Why do you see this transition to a home life as a problem?
Wait a minute. You're asking the board if we see the transition from a home with her father and grandmother and numerous relatives to a bachelor pad in Raleigh is a problem? No. This board member sees it as a disaster. But God made kids tough. They are survivors.
on the go
03-24-2009, 07:29 PM
Oh, Happy Days? Good grief, Barbara! Dragging that little girl to Raleigh, to New York, disrupting her schedule, surrounding her with women gushing how cute you are! just like your mother! are you lonely? do you miss your mother? here are some more pictures of your beautiful mother! don't you wish she was with you today? oh I know we wish your mother could be here with you on your birthday oh maybe you can get another mother soon.....
Happy Daze indeed! And don't even go there about whose fault it is. I'm not talking about the killers, nor any other adults. I feel for the little girl. Does it have to be this way? I think not. Is it this way? It is. The shame is that you and others on the board are so joyful that it is this way.
How do you know what happens during these visits? Are these questions you assume are being asked or is Cassidy being questioned upon her return? Who relays her answers to you?
As you said: "Is it this way? It is". IMO, you and Brevard must find a way to deal.
trucrime
03-24-2009, 07:41 PM
Wait a minute. You're asking the board if we see the transition from a home with her father and grandmother and numerous relatives to a bachelor pad in Raleigh is a problem? No. This board member sees it as a disaster. But God made kids tough. They are survivors.
How can it be a "bachelor pad" when per the custody agreement, Meredith isnt allowed to have overnight guests in the home unless related by blood or marriage? By the way, Cassidy was already familiar with the home, its not some new place she'd never been to before. And by now, with the visitations that have already occured, she's reacquainted with the home. Also, dont forget, Cassidy is also a relative of the Fishers. You bet Cassidy is a survivor, she probably witnessed the brutal murder of her mother & unborn brother... at the hands of Jason Lynn Young. IMO.
Jester
03-24-2009, 07:42 PM
The detective used them, just as he used the little girl. The Fishers' desire made them unwilling or incapable of seeing or resenting the manipulation. Just my opinion and all that jazz.
Going with your train of thought, we have to also accept the possibility that Meredith and Linda do not really want to care for Cassidy, but are now stuck with it because they were manipulated by a third party? That seems unlikely. If we reject that unlikely scenario, the only alternative is that Linda and Meredith do want to care for Cassidy, and that they made recent decisions of their own volition. I don't think we can have it both ways.
trucrime
03-24-2009, 07:43 PM
How do you know what happens during these visits? Are these questions you assume are being asked or is Cassidy being questioned upon her return? Who relays her answers to you?
As you said: "Is it this way? It is". IMO, you and Brevard must find a way to deal.
Both parties per the custody agreement aren't allowed to question Cassidy about the other party/time spent with that party. I agree with your post, some people need to get over the fact Jason didn't contest the custody or wrongful death suit, and deal with it. IMO.
trucrime
03-24-2009, 07:44 PM
Why didn't Cassidy's father prevent it from happening? Isn't it his responsibility to protect her?
Yes it is his responsibility. Much like it was Jason's responsibility to take care of Michelle's funeral & burial... which was put upon Linda Fisher. IMO.
achristie
03-24-2009, 07:44 PM
Wait a minute. You're asking the board if we see the transition from a home with her father and grandmother and numerous relatives to a bachelor pad in Raleigh is a problem? No. This board member sees it as a disaster. But God made kids tough. They are survivors.
God made kids tough? I think God made children pure and innocent. He cautions " suffer not the little children". That means the rest of us are called to protect them. A father that murders his child's mother has inflicted his sweet, innocent child with great heart ache and suffering.
MOO Aggie
Stellagant
03-24-2009, 07:50 PM
The detective used them, just as he used the little girl. The Fishers' desire made them unwilling or incapable of seeing or resenting the manipulation. Just my opinion and all that jazz.
Speaking of manipulation, I wonder how the Fishers' custody attorneys feel about the settlement of the custody case before Jason's deadline to respond. They made pretty serious allegations and demanded a psych exam and then they agreed to let it all go away after Jason agreed to share custody. Using the legal process as a form of extortion is frowned upon by the ABA and most courts.
Jester
03-24-2009, 07:59 PM
Wait a minute. You're asking the board if we see the transition from a home with her father and grandmother and numerous relatives to a bachelor pad in Raleigh is a problem? No. This board member sees it as a disaster. But God made kids tough. They are survivors.
Bachelor pad? Meredith isn't a bachelor, she's female. She doesn't live in a pad, she lives in a house.
Children are indeed resilient but the early years, ages 0-6, often determine lifelong patterns. This opinion is based on experience, whatever, but children that experience early childhood trauma, such as being separated from a mother, can suffer memory loss around the time of the trauma, as well as difficulties bonding later in life. Will being separated from her father compound those problems? Will being with her mother's sister in familiar surrounding help with those problems? I don't know. For some reason, the Judge determined that it was in Cassidy's best interest to live with her aunt and visit with her father a couple of times per month from now on. The Judge obviously knows far more about Cassidy's circumstances with her father than is known here, and would not have transferred primary custody to Meredith without serious concerns about Jason's parenting. That much is obvious.
Cardinal
03-24-2009, 08:05 PM
Speaking of manipulation, I wonder how the Fishers' custody attorneys feel about the settlement of the custody case before Jason's deadline to respond. They made pretty serious allegations and demanded a psych exam and then they agreed to let it all go away after Jason agreed to share custody. Using the legal process as a form of extortion is frowned upon by the ABA and most courts.
What extortion?
Cardinal
03-24-2009, 08:08 PM
I find it so interesting that posters who have proclaimed over the last 2 years that Jason had the absolute right to decide what is best for his daughter are now questioning his right to to decide what is best for his daughter.
kingbuff
03-24-2009, 08:24 PM
I find it so interesting that posters who have proclaimed over the last 2 years that Jason had the absolute right to decide what is best for his daughter are now questioning his right to to decide what is best for his daughter.
Write on! The rights of the father are absolute. Those people who question that right should be still....or put on a robe and rule from the bench.
trucrime
03-24-2009, 08:26 PM
Speaking of manipulation, I wonder how the Fishers' custody attorneys feel about the settlement of the custody case before Jason's deadline to respond. They made pretty serious allegations and demanded a psych exam and then they agreed to let it all go away after Jason agreed to share custody. Using the legal process as a form of extortion is frowned upon by the ABA and most courts.
How is it extortion when all's Jason had to do was show up at court to defend his right to have his daughter full time? But he didnt, did he.
By the way he agreed to give PRIMARY physical custody to Meredith and joint legal custody. That's above 50/50 for the Fisher's, more like 80% Fishers, 20% Youngs.
Apparently it wasnt frowned upon by the courts, because a judge signed off on their agreement. IMO.
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