Wednesday 3/18 Bring Haleigh Home Alive!!!

[Babes]

Good Morning

I hope Haleigh will be back home alive today...
Peace to all...

[Babes]

News at this hour:

Haleigh's Mother's Attorney Says She Met With DCF
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134032&catid=3


Haleigh Charity Organizers Refuse Donations From Accused Sexual Criminal
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134030&catid=3

[MoonFlwr]

Hi Babes

Thanks for the new thread and the links. :)

Weird, that second one, huh!? (That the guy charged with such a crime would step forward, I mean).

[rosieposett]

Good Morning

I hope Haleigh will be back home alive today...
Peace to all...

Good Morning. Thanks for new thread. Prayers for Haleigh.

[beachpatty]

Hi Babes

Thanks for the new thread and the links. :)

Weird, that second one, huh!? (That the guy charged with such a crime would step forward, I mean).


Good Morning Moonie, Babes and Rosie;

Tons of catching up for me this AM! Dang you guys are dedicated, I hope, wherever Haleigh is, she is aware of the the folks that are praying & pulling for her :thumbsup:

The same comradre was formed after Trenton Duckett was missing for so very long, and sadly, still is. I sure hope that Haleigh is found & soon!

Coffee is brewing.
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Had a busy day yesterday and hardly any time to be online but was just over on last night's thread reading the posts/links by Riverwalk and my reaction was :scared:

Good lord. It's no wonder LE says the world is a suspect. Look at what they have to deal with. :scared:

[5boxersmom]

I am confused by the Snodgrass guy. If he has an ankle monitor how is he running around town and coming to the Haleighbug center?

[Texas48]

Good Morning Moonie, Babes and Rosie;

Tons of catching up for me this AM! Dang you guys are dedicated, I hope, wherever Haleigh is, she is aware of the the folks that are praying & pulling for her :thumbsup:

The same comradre was formed after Trenton Duckett was missing for so very long, and sadly, still is. I sure hope that Haleigh is found & soon!

Coffee is brewing.
Hope for Haleigh :wub:
BeachpattyGood morning Patty. Was up early so decided to do catch up as long as I could. Never works but I do try. The faster I read seems the further I am behind..??? Make sense? lol So much time is passing Patty...I think many of us are thinking the same horible results in this case and it is just too hard to say the words. Very hard to understand WHY our children are able to vanish without a trace in this day and age. We are able to place chips in our animals in order to locate them if missing. Is this what it is coming to with our children? Very SAD...jmo

[Texas48]

Good Morning,

Had a busy day yesterday and hardly any time to be online but was just over on last night's thread reading the posts/links by Riverwalk and my reaction was :scared:

Good lord. It's no wonder LE says the world is a suspect. Look at what they have to deal with. :scared:Good morning n/t. I 100% agree w/you. Very scary indeed.:sad:

[Texas48]

I am confused by the Snodgrass guy. If he has an ankle monitor how is he running around town and coming to the Haleighbug center? I have always woundered about the ankle monitors. Wasn't is proven in several cases that the monitor can be tampered with somehow? I think I will go read and read some more. So far behind just missing part of the day on the board yesterday. Have to okay catchup..lol ..Be back soon.

[crymeariver2006]

I am confused by the Snodgrass guy. If he has an ankle monitor how is he running around town and coming to the Haleighbug center?


I don't know. Maybe he's only confined to the home at night?

I don't know nuttin' 'bout ankle monitors!

I do think it was wise to refuse his "donation" though.

[crymeariver2006]

Hi Babes

Thanks for the new thread and the links. :)

Weird, that second one, huh!? (That the guy charged with such a crime would step forward, I mean).

Yes it is weird!

But he's coming up for trial this summer and maybe he needs some "mitigating" thing in his favor if they find him guilty?

Or maybe he had another motive?

[VII]

I am confused by the Snodgrass guy. If he has an ankle monitor how is he running around town and coming to the Haleighbug center?

IIRC, he's been accused but not convicted, or something like that.
His alleged crime was in the summer of 08 ....

One article I read last night said he does not currently have to register and I believe that is the reason they gave.

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[5boxersmom]

I don't know. Maybe he's only confined to the home at night?

I don't know nuttin' 'bout ankle monitors!

I do think it was wise to refuse his "donation" though.

ITA. Why is he hanging around Haleigh's center to begin with? I have read alot about the perps of crimes such as a child abduction showing up and want to help search and things like that. You would think with him being accused of such a crime as molestation of children would make him stay away. Makes one go hmmm.

imo

[5boxersmom]

IIRC, he's been accused but not convicted, or something like that.
His alleged crime was in the summer of 08 ....

One article I read last night said he does not currently have to register and I believe that is the reason they gave.

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From the link


Harris told First Coast New he asked Snodgrass if he had on an ankle monitor and Snodgrass said that he did.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134030&catid=3

[beachpatty]

Good morning Patty. Was up early so decided to do catch up as long as I could. Never works but I do try. The faster I read seems the further I am behind..??? Make sense? lol So much time is passing Patty...I think many of us are thinking the same horible results in this case and it is just too hard to say the words. Very hard to understand WHY our children are able to vanish without a trace in this day and age. We are able to place chips in our animals in order to locate them if missing. Is this what it is coming to with our children? Very SAD...jmo



I have given up on catching completely up, I scan the last few pages and figure if there were any breaks in the case, it would be discussed there. Even though I am currently unemployed, Searching for work and just taking care of the house & hubby seem to fill the days. I can not imagine how Haleigh's family members try to pass each day. I guess Ron & Misty & Teresa being in NY helped some and Crystal is busy setting up new headquarters for "HaleighBug", has helped to an extent, both tasks are aimed @ finding Haleigh. The nights must be forever, I do hope they are being prescribed medication to help them to at least get some rest, you can see the physical toll it's taking on Ron and Crystal and especially Teresa.

This Snodgrass guy & his actions are really suspicious, I hope LE has already delved further into him. I find it so odd that he has taken an interested, almost like a "born again", only born again when they hit the prison cell. I can see salvation in many cases, like MADD, and speakers that have reason to orate to youth and offenders, after they have come thru similiar situations. I totally think CSO's need to just steer clear of everything that is chld connected, in any way.

Maybe today, Please Lord?

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[VII]

On occasion, I encounter folks who are on an ankle monitor.
When they go out for routine needs, they have to call the PO and tell them where they are going, when they are leaving, about how long they will be gone, etc... The monitor will "alert" that the subject is out of range but if there is notation as to why, no biggie.
I've worked w/one who became famous for messin' with the monitor.
This person "tested it" to see what kind of response there would be "out of range" ... Had been told LE would show up immediately, but when this person stepped out of range, that didn't happen. Just got a call from the PO the next day and had to go in and explain. When the individual found out no swat team, helicopters or search dogs were going to show up, they made a habit of doing what they wanted to after hours.

It was NOT effective, to say the least, in the case above.
Having had this experience, I don't put too much faith in ankle monitors "slowing down" the offender. They know what is involved in getting them back through court and into correctional facilities, which are over-populated.

Vicious cycle.

and

THX 5BoxersMom!!
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[playnice]

ITA. Why is he hanging around Haleigh's center to begin with? I have read alot about the perps of crimes such as a child abduction showing up and want to help search and things like that. You would think with him being accused of such a crime as molestation of children would make him stay away. Makes one go hmmm.

imo

IIRC the one that was arrested was out of his monitoring area and wasnt he in the woods by Haleighs house?
What is up with these guys? If they arent involved I would think they would want to stay far far away from anything to do with a missing child.

[5swab5]

On occasion, I encounter folks who are on an ankle monitor.
When they go out for routine needs, they have to call the PO and tell them where they are going, when they are leaving, about how long they will be gone, etc... The monitor will "alert" that the subject is out of range but if there is notation as to why, no biggie.
I've worked w/one who became famous for messin' with the monitor.
This person "tested it" to see what kind of response there would be "out of range" ... Had been told LE would show up immediately, but when this person stepped out of range, that didn't happen. Just got a call from the PO the next day and had to go in and explain. When the individual found out no swat team, helicopters or search dogs were going to show up, they made a habit of doing what they wanted to after hours.

It was NOT effective, to say the least, in the case above.
Having had this experience, I don't put too much faith in ankle monitors "slowing down" the offender. They know what is involved in getting them back through court and into correctional facilities, which are over-populated.

Vicious cycle.

and

THX 5BoxersMom!!
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They need to go back to the old "ball and chain".
a) the perps would be easier to spot.
b) it would be harder for them to grab a kid off of a playground
c) those midnight runs for whatever would cease.

MOO

[crymeariver2006]

IIRC the one that was arrested was out of his monitoring area and wasnt he in the woods by Haleighs house?
What is up with these guys? If they arent involved I would think they would want to stay far far away from anything to do with a missing child.

I haven't heard that the one arrested was in the woods by Haleigh's house.

IIRC, he was arrested because he wasn't where he was supposed to be on the night before his arrest, which was several days after Haleigh went missing.

JMO

[5boxersmom]

On occasion, I encounter folks who are on an ankle monitor.
When they go out for routine needs, they have to call the PO and tell them where they are going, when they are leaving, about how long they will be gone, etc... The monitor will "alert" that the subject is out of range but if there is notation as to why, no biggie.
I've worked w/one who became famous for messin' with the monitor.
This person "tested it" to see what kind of response there would be "out of range" ... Had been told LE would show up immediately, but when this person stepped out of range, that didn't happen. Just got a call from the PO the next day and had to go in and explain. When the individual found out no swat team, helicopters or search dogs were going to show up, they made a habit of doing what they wanted to after hours.

It was NOT effective, to say the least, in the case above.
Having had this experience, I don't put too much faith in ankle monitors "slowing down" the offender. They know what is involved in getting them back through court and into correctional facilities, which are over-populated.

Vicious cycle.

and

THX 5BoxersMom!!
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So in some cases a crime could be commited and no one would know about it until it was to late. What's the use? There should not be a second chance for any child predator.imo

imo

[kitty1182]

Good morning....Praying for some news today..

[5boxersmom]

I saw the couch mentioned on last night's thread but couldn't find out the story. Is there something new about the couch? Did JR. say more or something?

tia

imo

[VII]

So in some cases a crime could be commited and no one would know about it until it was to late. What's the use? There should not be a second chance for any child predator.imo

imo

Only benefit I can see is to have a "starting point" ...
Rule out the ones who were in range ...
Start w/the ones OUT of range, no excuse, then go from there?

If they were behind bars, there'd B no ?

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[playnice]

I haven't heard that the one arrested was in the woods by Haleigh's house.

IIRC, he was arrested because he wasn't where he was supposed to be on the night before his arrest, which was several days after Haleigh went missing.

JMO

GRACE: Back to Natisha Lance, standing by outside the family tent along with T.J. Hart. Natisha, I understand that police searching outside the sex offender`s home, the cardilage (ph), or the area around his home, but also deep in the woods behind Haleigh`s home. Now, was that because of a tip?

LANCE: Yes. Police were led to this area based on a tip, Nancy. They said they would not confirm if this is an area that they have searched before, but they said they were led there by a tip. They were searching this area earlier this morning. It`s about 200 yards away from the Cummings home. And they said that they are going to continue doing their search. It`s taking a tactical approach to areas they are led to by tips.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html


This is probably what I was thinking of. It does say the woods search was because of a tip.

[bookie]

I am confused by the Snodgrass guy. If he has an ankle monitor how is he running around town and coming to the Haleighbug center?



Snodgrass isn't the one with the ankle monitor. That is Loucakis.

[Texas48]

Good morning all, Shine your little light brightly, Haleigh, so we can find you!

Skimmed some from last night, saw the mention of Snodgrass, and the connection between a web page designer and the atty for Crystal???

I didn't see Crystal on NG last night, did I miss something? Actually Crystal was on the "phone" with JVM..I think NG is ALL INTO the Anthony case and NOT much of anything else. IMO..I did not get alot of "info" from the interview w/Crystal. Was somewhat disappointed but that is just MO.

[crymeariver2006]

Snodgrass isn't the one with the anklet monitor. That is Loucakis.

Wouldn't he (Snodgrass) have one as part of his bond agreement?

Surely he's not out on a no-bond status? :ohmy:

[psbperu]

IIRC, he's been accused but not convicted, or something like that.
His alleged crime was in the summer of 08 ....

One article I read last night said he does not currently have to register and I believe that is the reason they gave.

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How I wish LE would get a break in this case. In our life experience, Seven, we have seen any number of families with much the same dynamic as Misty & Ron. Tell ya' ... the marriage threw me, cannot for the life of me understand the why of it at this time nor the trip to N.Y.

Misty appeared more composed & able to speak in coherent sentences (to me) in that first interview after the trip to N.Y.

Not good that she walked out on the "bad cop" routine & complained about how rude he was, but then she is only a 17 year old kid who has difficulty talking about what happened that eventful evening. It is no wonder she is thought of by LE as the "key" to what happened.

(You are a busy bee, vacation time?)

[bookie]

Wouldn't he (Snodgrass) have one as part of his bond agreement?

Surely he's not out on a no-bond status? :ohmy:



No he wouldn't automatically have one as part of a bond agreement. In most cases an ankle monitor comes into play after being convicted and being released on probation.

No bond status would mean the person couldn't bond out of jail so since he is out his wasn't a no bond charge. He could have been released on his own recognizance which would mean he was released on his own signature with no money involved.

[Texas48]

Good morning....Praying for some news today..Good morning my friend Kitty. I am so ready for LE to break this case or at least to give us some info as to where they are headed. It scares me to think LE does not know where to start and I have always been one to think There Is NO PERFECT CRIME. Something is bound to break sooner than later. There is alittle girl out there somewhere that needs to be found. Her name is HALEIGH.....:sad:

[jewel6]

Wow! This snodgrass guy really makes my creep factor go off the charts. :scared: I hope LE is checking him out. ick! jmo

[i_pickle]

Haleigh callers swamp center


http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/18/news/news01.txtIt's good to know that the public is alert and still looking for Haleigh.

[5swab5]

Who sets the range? Is the range different for different people and different circumstances? Why can't SO be confined to their houses when they aren't working?

Really! We can put a man on the moon, but we can't keep SOs where we know they are at all times? People find ways to contain and control vicious dogs all the time. If it was a priority it would be done. How many little children have to suffer first? :mad: MOO

[playnice]

Wow! This snodgrass guy really makes my creep factor go off the charts. :scared: I hope LE is checking him out. ick! jmo

Doesnt it seem to anyone else that LE are dismissing these SO too easy? Seems like they said they cleared the 45 SO very soon. But that have spoken since and said no one has been cleared.



Im really starting to believe when LE said they dont have a clue what happened to Haleigh that they really dont.

[bookie]

Is it common practice for a person charged with a sex crime to be released on his own signature?


I don't know that he was, was just saying that is one option with bond.

[jewel6]

Doesnt it seem to anyone else that LE are dismissing these SO too easy? Seems like they said they cleared the 45 SO very soon. But that have spoken since and said no one has been cleared.



Im really starting to believe when LE said they dont have a clue what happened to Haleigh that they really dont.


First thought was he was interjecting himself into this crime! You would think he would lay low because of his status. Very creepy in my opinion. jmo

[bookie]

Maybe I have been watching too many TV shows, but I thought if the judge thought the person was a flight risk, the judge could insist that part of the release on bond is an ankle bracelet until trial?

Again, maybe I watch too much TV. lol



If a person is a flight risk then the judge should deny bail. An ankle monitor isn't going to stop them from leaving.

I don't recall seeing any cases where a monitor was used before trial. Again, not saying it couldn't happen but in all of the cases I've followed they have been used after jail time had been served. In my first post I said it would be up to the courts but erased part of my post including that.

[bookie]

First thought was he was interjecting himself into this crime! You would think he would lay low because of his status. Very creepy in my opinion. jmo



I looked for the link last night and couldn't find it but I read awhile back about this man who helped search and pass out fliers for a missing boy. It turned out he was a SO and had kidnapped and killed the boy he was helping search for.

[5boxersmom]

Snodgrass isn't the one with the ankle monitor. That is Loucakis.

It says in this link that Snodgrass is wearing a monitor.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134030&catid=3

Harris told First Coast New he asked Snodgrass if he had on an ankle monitor and Snodgrass said that he did.

[jewel6]

I looked for the link last night and couldn't find it but I read awhile back about this man who helped search and pass out fliers for a missing boy. It turned out he was a SO and had kidnapped and killed the boy he was helping search for.

Yes, I remember this as well. I cant remember where it happened. jmo

[5boxersmom]

This is all I could find on the couch.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81554&page=3

Thanks. That is interesting. My DH's theory has always been that Misty had a "boyfriend" there that night and either Haleigh threaten to tell Ron or the man did something to Haleigh. That's his theory. I don't know if I have one yet. :biggrin:

imo

[crymeariver2006]

If a person is a flight risk then the judge should deny bail. An ankle monitor isn't going to stop them from leaving.

I don't recall seeing any cases where a monitor was used before trial. Again, not saying it couldn't happen but in all of the cases I've followed they have been used after jail time had been served. In my first post I said it would be up to the courts but erased part of my post including that.


Casey Anthony had one and she was only charged with neglect.

IIRC, the judge made it part of her bail agreement.

:shrug:

ETA: She did have the lying to investigators charges too, but she was not charged with murder at the time she had to wear the ankle monitor.

[crymeariver2006]

Is it common practice for a person charged with a sex crime to be released on his own signature?

No kidding! How do you tie up a nine year old and sexually assault her and get released on your own recognizance?

:angry:

[Texas48]

Thanks, I read the transcript momofamarine posted, I was disappointed as well.

So, do you think this Snodgrass guy could have something to do with the case? I mean, like the villan coming back to the scene of the crime, so to speak? Why would he decline to identify himself to the family but tell a reporter his name? For the thrill?I just don't know ocean.....I have had my mind WORKING overtime w/this case. I always swear.."This is the LAST one I follow."..then...her I am again. lol..I don;t know what to think about Snodgrass...????very confusing indeed. IMO I still think it was not a stranger abduction...I hate to even think it was someone that knows this family but I will be honest with MO. Everything is JMO...

[bookie]

No kidding! How do you tie up a nine year old and sexually assault her and get released on your own recognizance?

:angry:



I didn't say he was released on his own recognizance, only that that was one option the judge had. I was explaining the different bond types including no bond holds. Just want to make that clear so I'm not accused of posting false information.

[bookie]

It says in this link that Snodgrass is wearing a monitor.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134030&catid=3

Harris told First Coast New he asked Snodgrass if he had on an ankle monitor and Snodgrass said that he did.


I didn't see that in any of the other links posted early on. Loucakis is the only one that mentioned ankle bracelets and monitoring so I'm wondering if there is some confusion between the 2 names.


Hardy said Loucakis was arrested Wednesday night after violating the restrictions of his "home zone." Loucakis is under GPS monitoring and law enforcement was informed that he was not at his own home during the 10:00pm-6:00am curfew window as required. Hardy said they do know where he was, due to the GPS monitor, and they plan to do a precautionary search of that area.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18752473/detail.html

[crymeariver2006]

I didn't say he was released on his own recognizance, only that that was one option the judge had. I was explaining the different bond types including no bond holds. Just want to make that clear so I'm not accused of posting false information.


Oh no, I didn't interpret your post as anything but the options on bond!

:smile:

[Former Juror]

My mom doesn't follow cases like I do, so I thought I would ask her about this one last night. Her simple, yet insightful response? "In my opinion, everyone in that family was too doped up to know what happened to Haleigh".

And, that sums up my opinion. IF someone in that home did not bring harm to Haleigh, the inconsistencies stem from being drugged up......IF Misty was even there, which I highly doubt.

IMO

[CelticDawn]

Whoever had a hand in Haleigh's disappearance forgot SOMETHING. ...and SOMEONE will figure out exactly what that something is,...their mistake....No crime is that perfect. The culprit WILL be brought to justice.

[CelticDawn]

My mom doesn't follow cases like I do, so I thought I would ask her about this one last night. Her simple, yet insightful response? "In my opinion, everyone in that family was too doped up to know what happened to Haleigh".

And, that sums up my opinion. IF someone in that home did not bring harm to Haleigh, the inconsistencies stem from being drugged up......IF Misty was even there, which I highly doubt.

IMO

That is my thought....that everybody seems drugged up....but one or more of them KNOW....dope or not.

[playnice]

With very little factual information and rumors flying about everyone its hard to narrow down who could be the perp.
I dont even have a theory any more because I can form possible theories why it could be any family member, friends or SE or even a scam for money.
So for the time being Im sticking to everyone is a suspect and trust none of them.

This kind of reminds me of the Groane case in that it just seemed to go cold with very little info , then bam. Never saw that one coming.

I hope something happens soon.
I hope LE hasnt messed this one up .

[5boxersmom]

With very little factual information and rumors flying about everyone its hard to narrow down who could be the perp.
I dont even have a theory any more because I can form possible theories why it could be any family member, friends or SE or even a scam for money.
So for the time being Im sticking to everyone is a suspect and trust none of them.

This kind of reminds me of the Groane case in that it just seemed to go cold with very little info , then bam. Never saw that one coming.

I hope something happens soon.
I hope LE hasnt messed this one up .

My sister just said the same thing.

[Texas48]

My mom doesn't follow cases like I do, so I thought I would ask her about this one last night. Her simple, yet insightful response? "In my opinion, everyone in that family was too doped up to know what happened to Haleigh".

And, that sums up my opinion. IF someone in that home did not bring harm to Haleigh, the inconsistencies stem from being drugged up......IF Misty was even there, which I highly doubt.

IMOLOL...The reason I'm laughing is that I have also asked opinions from several ppl that DO NOT follow the cases/boards and their response was the same as your mom's response and NO..I did not coach them..lol..:thumbsup:

[Texas48]

That is my thought....that everybody seems drugged up....but one or more of them KNOW....dope or not.You are correct Dawn..someone knows! It is MO that LE knows as well.

[bookie]

You are correct Dawn..someone knows! It is MO that LE knows as well.


I disagree. If LE knew we would be seeing a lot more activity in this case.

[odyssey]

I am confused by the Snodgrass guy. If he has an ankle monitor how is he running around town and coming to the Haleighbug center?

He went back to court in January and had his restrictions(probably not the right word) modified .. alledgedly one of the modifications was the removal of his ankle monitor. I believe that was court date was january 26th? anyway it was a couple of weeks before Haleigh disappeared.

jmoo

[?noanswer]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/17/ijvm.01.html


I read this transcript and did not see "couch" mentioned. I even did a search for "couch" and did not get any results. If someone else saw it could you please tell me where it is located. I know JVM jumps around in the story and maybe that is why I can't see it. JMO

[playnice]

I just had a thought here.
If Ron was a drug informant or even if someone had info would they be afraid to tell LE because under the FL Sunshine Law nothing stays confidential for long should an arrest ever be made.

[5swab5]

Whoever had a hand in Haleigh's disappearance forgot SOMETHING. ...and SOMEONE will figure out exactly what that something is,...their mistake....No crime is that perfect. The culprit WILL be brought to justice.

I was thinking about that this mornng. Was the cinder block new? Was it perhaps recently purchased with some others or another one? MOO

[?noanswer]

My husband and daughter said the same thing! But smoking pot does not usually render someone unconsious, although drinking too much would have that effect, and of course, combined....well, someone could be pretty out of it. I think they are trying to hide so much of their personal lives that that's why this one is so hard. Just get it out there in the open, I don't care what you did, if you think it's gonna help find Haleigh, spill your guts, let LE sort thru the mess.

If someone had been drinking/using drugs within the period from 7:00 PM - 3:40 AM (time LE arrived), one would think that LE would have noticed it. JMO

[?noanswer]

I was thinking about that this mornng. Was the cinder block new? Was it perhaps recently purchased with some others or another one? MOO

I read somewhere that it was only a partial cinder block. I also read there were some other cinder blocks located somewhere on the property. JMO

[missinglink]

Well, I'm just so baffled by this case. My grandma didn't appear to me spiritually this past weekend, so I'm still lost on what could have happened to Hayleigh.

I do, so sad to say, think she's no longer alive (just my feelings). I dreamed about death for the past four nights and just have the most awful feeling.

I dreamed that Haleigh was having a horrible nightmare and kept crying and crying. She couldn't wake up from the nightmare and all I could hear were those crys, over and over.

I then heard hundreds of bells and music boxes and choir singing far away in the distance.

I don't know why, but I kept seeing the number 27.

I think I've lost it. JMO on all the above.

[playnice]

Well, I'm just so baffled by this case. My grandma didn't appear to me spiritually this past weekend, so I'm still lost on what could have happened to Hayleigh.

I do, so sad to say, think she's no longer alive (just my feelings). I dreamed about death for the past four nights and just have the most awful feeling.

I dreamed that Haleigh was having a horrible nightmare and kept crying and crying. She couldn't wake up from the nightmare and all I could hear were those crys, over and over.

I then heard hundreds of bells and music boxes and choir singing far away in the distance.

I don't know why, but I kept seeing the number 27.

I think I've lost it. JMO on all the above.

lol I think we are all going to lose it soon if there isnt a break.

[playnice]

I think LE doesnt have any clues or evidence at all except Misti's inconsistent statements.

[5boxersmom]

He went back to court in January and had his restrictions(probably not the right word) modified .. alledgedly one of the modifications was the removal of his ankle monitor. I believe that was court date was january 26th? anyway it was a couple of weeks before Haleigh disappeared.

jmoo

He told the reporter he still had it on. From the link.

[odyssey]

Really? Can you find a link to that? I sure would love to see it. Just very strange IMO that he has showed up at the crime scene, so to speak

The only thing i can link to is another message board. You can look up his court dockets in putnam county HOWEVER I am hoping that since the article is reporting that he is still wearing his monitor that the posters on the other board who said he had it removed were not right (that's why i said aledgedly and my opinion). I DO know he went to court for bond modifications at the end of January, i have seen the court papers but they do not say in what way they were modified. He went back to court March fifth and his trial was set up for June but i don't remember what day.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/view_doc.php?instr=542007CF002375XXAXMX


jmoo

[odyssey]

He told the reporter he still had it on. From the link.

I hope he does. Here is the link to all of his court appearances concerning his abuse of the little girl

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/view_doc.php?instr=542007CF002375XXAXMX

[Mimi428]

About the "couch" remarks - I did not see Jane's show last night & I just looked over the transcript & did not read anything about a couch.

However, if you go to yesterday's thread, beginning around 6:15 or so, post 680 & up, several other posters relate that they heard something about squeaky shoes & the couch jumping.

Why there is such a disparity, I have no clue. MaybeJane's show is on YouTube.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12903010&highlight=couch#post12903010

[~Dramatica~]

My mom doesn't follow cases like I do, so I thought I would ask her about this one last night. Her simple, yet insightful response? "In my opinion, everyone in that family was too doped up to know what happened to Haleigh".

And, that sums up my opinion. IF someone in that home did not bring harm to Haleigh, the inconsistencies stem from being drugged up......IF Misty was even there, which I highly doubt.

IMO

I'd go for tuba lessons if I told you what my 80 year old mother says and she's a court tv, true crime addict. :laugh:

[missinglink]

I don't know about the number 27, but as far as the bells and the singing.......is there a church close to Haleigh's house?

If you talk to your grandma when she visits, tell her I said hello, and ask her if she has met my dad. He hasn't been gone from us long and may need some assistance, he never did play well with others.

Please keep sharing!

You made me smile!

And I'm so sorry I spelled Haleigh's name wrong in my previous post.

[Mimi428]

Haleigh's mom, family working on headquarters

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090318/ARTICLES/903181011/1002?Title=Haleigh-s-mom-family-working-on-headquarters

[day2day]

Good morning my friend Kitty. I am so ready for LE to break this case or at least to give us some info as to where they are headed. It scares me to think LE does not know where to start and I have always been one to think There Is NO PERFECT CRIME. Something is bound to break sooner than later. There is alittle girl out there somewhere that needs to be found. Her name is HALEIGH.....:sad:

Mornin Texas48..
You are absolutely right -there is a littleone out there named Haleigh that needs to be found. I am so afraid that she will never be found..:(
My thoughts and prayers are with those that love this littleone..I can't even begin to imagine what they are going through ..:(

[~Dramatica~]

Abuse Investigation Sought In Haleigh Case
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18957202/detail.htmlhttp://

[missinglink]

The reason I asked about a church in the proximity was because it is a preacher who owns the house they live in, am I correct in remembering that detail, and his parents passed while living there. Free association.....and her I go again......I need to look at the theories thread, LOL. Anyway, we passed aroud the idea briefly that someone may have taken her to give her a better life. A preacher might be persuaded in his head that he was doing the right ting in removing her from a life he thought was "bad". And is the preacher that owns RC's house the same preacher who was in the picture in the beginning?

I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.......and it may drive me crazy.

I see what you are saying! I don't know anything about churches being close by or really anything at all about that area.

The bells and choir I heard were, for lack of a better word, "heavenly". I don't know why I heard music boxes! :confused:

The number 27, although that was ALL it was, just a number, but somehow "miles" went through my mind.

This case is so sad and confusing.

[teresa]

I hope you all read the last few pages of the second thread yesterday. I have got to get some work done but there's some interesting stuff there, including links.

-The Chad Reynolds, missing sexual predator is no longer "endangered". His poster from the FL Dept of Corrections says "Absconded/Fugitive" and the location is listed as the district that includes Putnam Co, NOT the district that he disappeared from. He is the guy who broke into a trailer and molested a little girl at knife point while her sister was in bed in the same room and her parents were in their room. He will possibly get life in prison for parole violation if found. He grew up in Putnam Co, camped in the forest there and has relatives there. He also committed his crime there.

-On Ron and Crystal's child custody page on the Putnam Co site, the lawyer filed something just yesterday. She isn't waiting on children's services as she said she would. It may be for an emergency hearing??

[?noanswer]

I hope you all read the last few pages of the second thread yesterday. I have got to get some work done but there's some interesting stuff there, including links.

-The Chad Reynolds, missing sexual predator is no longer "endangered". His poster from the FL Dept of Corrections says "Absconded/Fugitive" and the location is listed as the district that includes Putnam Co, NOT the district that he disappeared from. He is the guy who broke into a trailer and molested a little girl at knife point while her sister was in bed in the same room and her parents were in their room. He will possibly get life in prison for parole violation if found. He grew up in Putnam Co, camped in the forest there and has relatives there. He also committed his crime there.

-On Ron and Crystal's child custody page on the Putnam Co site, the lawyer filed something just yesterday. She isn't waiting on children's services as she said she would. It may be for an emergency hearing??


Wonder if she is trying to force something before RC has time to get a lawyer and defend the charges. I don't know who is giving all this information, but if they are like the one on the video with GR, I don't know if I could trust what they say. JMO

[?noanswer]

Wow. Let me be the first to say that I do not believe in striking a child, or any person, for any reason. Does Social Services REALLY teach people that it's ok to spank your children? I know alot of people with small children, friends and family alike, and don't know of any of them that corrrects bad or unacceptable behaviour by spanking. It's just so old school.

But shouldn't Crystal be filing for custody of BOTH Jr and Haleigh? Just because Haleigh isn't there shouldn't matter, should it? If they don't know where she is? Wouldn't it make sense for her to file custody for both kids?

It makes sense to me that she would file for both unless she knows something about what happened to Haleigh and is trying to get JR before the information comes out.

What I don't get is it says she will be staying at the Haleighbug headquartes with her daughter Chloe. Does this place have living space such as a kitchen, bath, etc.? Guess it would be better than a tent, but could it be that she herself is putting a baby in unsafe living conditions? JMO

[teresa]

Wonder if she is trying to force something before RC has time to get a lawyer and defend the charges. I don't know who is giving all this information, but if they are like the one on the video with GR, I don't know if I could trust what they say. JMO

Maybe. I have thought all along he was making a mistake not to get a good custody lawyer. It may be too late now...they have a pretty big head start. They will have to investigate how Crystal lives 100 miles away or whatever it is. That won't be easy. Plus they don't have friends and relatives near her to report things to them. I wouldn't want to be the judge in this case.

[teresa]

Thank you, teresa, IMO the Chad Reynolds ingredient is still a viable one that needs to be taken into consideration in this puzzle, didn't the guy who kidnapped the groene children keep them at a remote, isolated campsite?

An emergency hearing makes sense, also IMO

He concerns me too. I wonder what made them go from thinking he was endangered/dead to absconded/fugitive? They must have some reason. They need to find him for the other kids out there even if he isn't connected to Haleigh. I think it's interesting that he grew up camping in that forest!

[playnice]

I wonder i there is also a possibility that the custody issue might backfire on her, and a judge might say Jr would be better off in foster care while the whole thing is sorted out?

I think that could very well happen.

[playnice]

Maybe. I have thought all along he was making a mistake not to get a good custody lawyer. It may be too late now...they have a pretty big head start. They will have to investigate how Crystal lives 100 miles away or whatever it is. That won't be easy. Plus they don't have friends and relatives near her to report things to them. I wouldn't want to be the judge in this case.

He should have gotten one when Crystal and her mom first started the smear campaign.

[CC I See]

Abuse Investigation Sought In Haleigh Case
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18957202/detail.htmlhttp://

From the above link:
"It's ridiculous. Ronald spanked his children just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end. I'm from old school, I believe in correcting a child if they don’t mind. That's the way Ronald is, and that's the way he was raised," Sykes said. "It enrages me. It really does. I've been around the children all of their lives, and they're happy and loved. Anybody that sees them -- you can't fool everybody."

My comment is that you can seriously hurt a child by spanking them on their bottom if the parent or caregiver is angry enough. THAT is why I do not believe in hitting a child for discipline because when a parent or caregiver is angry they are poor judges on how hard they are hitting.

Years ago, I had a neighbor whose child's bottom was bloodied from a spanking and she told his teacher that such spanking was appropriate for the offense. The child could not sit comfortably for days after that. Back then nothing was done since such discipline was acceptable and such discipline is still practiced today in some families.

[teresa]

I wonder i there is also a possibility that the custody issue might backfire on her, and a judge might say Jr would be better off in foster care while the whole thing is sorted out?

Bless him, I hope not foster care. Right now, he needs family no matter how dysfunctional they are. Maybe give temp custody to Teresa?

[teresa]

He should have gotten one when Crystal and her mom first started the smear campaign.

Yes he should have. They seem to be in the stubborn "I don't need a lawyer, I did nothing wrong" mode. That could end up hurting them. It would be kind of funny if he won a custody battle by himself against a high falutin attorney! I don't think that will happen though. I just want the truth and for Jr to be safe.

[bookie]

Truth and smear. Would you have this mother sit back?



This mother had no problems discussing drugs when she claimed Ron was the one doing them but when asked about her drug use she didn't want to talk about that. It doesn't seem like the truth is what she wants to discuss.

[Motomom]

From the above link:
"It's ridiculous. Ronald spanked his children just like children's services says you can spank them -- on the rear end. I'm from old school, I believe in correcting a child if they don’t mind. That's the way Ronald is, and that's the way he was raised," Sykes said. "It enrages me. It really does. I've been around the children all of their lives, and they're happy and loved. Anybody that sees them -- you can't fool everybody."

My comment is that you can seriously hurt a child by spanking them on their bottom if the parent or caregiver is angry enough. THAT is why I do not believe in hitting a child for discipline because when a parent or caregiver is angry they are poor judges on how hard they are hitting.

Years ago, I had a neighbor whose child's bottom was bloodied from a spanking and she told his teacher that such spanking was appropriate for the offense. The child could not sit comfortably for days after that. Back then nothing was done since such discipline was acceptable and such discipline is still practiced today in some families.



That's really taking it to the extreme imo.. a bloodied bottom. I mean sure, I guess it happens, but most people do not spank their kids till they bleed IMO.

[bama__angel]

Truth and smear. Would you have this mother sit back?



I have to wonder why this mother has been sitting back for over 3 years......Why? Why wasnt she fighting Ron over 3 years ago to get her children back.......IMO

[?noanswer]

Yes he should have. They seem to be in the stubborn "I don't need a lawyer, I did nothing wrong" mode. That could end up hurting them. It would be kind of funny if he won a custody battle by himself against a high falutin attorney! I don't think that will happen though. I just want the truth and for Jr to be safe.

Maybe he did not have the funds to hire a lawyer. I wonder if Crystal could afford one if she had to pay. Hopefully someone will come forward probono for him just as same as the one has for Crystal. Its a shame that resources have to be used for custody issues at this time. There is plenty of time after it is known what happened to Haleigh. If RC was found to be responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, she probably would not even need a lawyer. She would get custody by default. Unless she gets lots of donations, I don't know how she is any more able to provide for these children now than she was when the issue was first decided. JMO

[CC I See]

That's really taking it to the extreme imo.. a bloodied bottom. I mean sure, I guess it happens, but most people do not spank their kids till they bleed IMO.

...... I never said that most people spank that hard but was only pointing out that when someone is very angry, their judgement is way off.

[Motomom]

Truth and smear. Would you have this mother sit back?

She has sat back for the last 3 yrs...

A good friend of mine just went to the courthouse today to file for full custody and to ask for supervised visitation for her son's (7) father. He was outside of his house last night with a shotgun, wanting the police to kill him. They took him to the pysch ward. He'll be out soon I imagine... My point is.. she didn't even wait 24 hours to take action because she is scared for her child to be with this man at this point. She's Crystals age with not so great of an upbringing IMO.. so I go back to Crystal..sitting back 3 yrs already. Sorry, JMO

[Motomom]

This mother had no problems discussing drugs when she claimed Ron was the one doing them but when asked about her drug use she didn't want to talk about that. It doesn't seem like the truth is what she wants to discuss.

LOL no bookie, of course not.. after all the past is the past right..:wink:

[CC I See]

To be honest if it would bring back my child I wouldn't care who knew I was a drug informant. Would you?:unsure:....and you are so right. But remember breeze, he doesn't know anything because he was at work.

[Motomom]

...... I never said that most people spank that hard but was only pointing out that when someone is very angry, their judgement is way off.


No, you didn't say most..but you took it to the extreme none the less. You have NO idea how he spanks his children or how often IMO. you have no idea if he is angry when he does it or not. That's what I'm saying. I don't know why we are to assume that ron gets angry and beats the crap out of his kids when there is simply no proof to that YET... it may come out, don't get me wrong.

[emdragon]

I think at the time of the 911 call Ron was running around the house getting rid of drug paraphernalia, I am sure he was tearing up the house for sure. Misty herself said the day before Haleigh went missing her cousin and Ron were arguing about a gun, that is very scary, did Haleigh hear this fight? Thats not an argument a kid should ever hear, if she did, she was at the home the day before her disappearance, its possible.

They are covering something up, or know more and it seems they are focused on saving themselves and getting married and such. Something isn't right!! I hope for a huge break soon!

jmo

Right, after all he had plenty of time to hide all the paraphernalia well enough and far enough away that LE looking for his daughter wouldn't find it. :rolleyes:

[bama__angel]

....and you are so right. But remember breeze, he doesn't know anything because he was at work.



Yes...Ron was at work the night Haleigh went missing.....so that his children could have a roof over their heads, clothes on their back, and food......Why is it impossible to believe that he truly doesnt know what happened? He wasnt there....IMO

[Motomom]

Well let's see the 400.00 for the tatoo and the money he spent on his lettering on his truck, and the money it cost him to marry his new bride that would have been a start towards a lawyer.Him and Misty think they are beyond the need for a lawyer..............time will tell. jmo

I thought the tattoo was donated? or done for free? Are you saying he paid for the tattoo himself? The lettering on his truck wouldn't cover even an hour's worth of a lawyers time IMO.. but I agree.. he should take every penny he has to get a lawyer to fight this custody issue IMO.

[CC I See]

No, you didn't say most..but you took it to the extreme none the less. You have NO idea how he spanks his children or how often IMO. you have no idea if he is angry when he does it or not. That's what I'm saying. I don't know why we are to assume that ron gets angry and beats the crap out of his kids when there is simply no proof to that YET... it may come out, don't get me wrong.Please do me the favor of rereading my post, I said nothing whatsoever about how hard Ron spanked his children but was commenting on CPS rules that allowed spanking of children on their bottom and how I did not agree with such action.

[Motomom]

Please do me the favor of rereading my post, I said nothing whatsoever about how hard Ron spanked his children but was commenting on CPS rules that allowed spanking of children on their bottom and how I did not agree with such action.

I did read your post CC. Did you read mine? I understand you don't agree with it, I respect that. I do.. I just disagree is all. No biggie. :smile:

[CC I See]

IMO neither one of them need these children, I don't want to see them in foster care but maybe that would be the best thing right now. If Crystal i staying at the Haleighbug space I would like know other then being there to take donations what shes doing to help find her daughter? Are they still passing out flyer's? Just what are they doing.
I don't like trust any of them at this point. all jmo....breeze, I think they ALL need a time out to sort out what is best for Ron Jr. If a foster home can insure his safety where he doesn't have to listen to all of the mud slinging then so be it.

[bama__angel]

....breeze, I think they ALL need a time out to sort out what is best for Ron Jr. If a foster home can insure his safety where he doesn't have to listen to all of the mud slinging then so be it.



I trust even Crystal more than I do the Florida foster care system.....

You wanna talk about losing children? The system is in bad shape IMO...

[CC I See]

That's the direction I was thinking, someplace where he is not being constantly exposed to all of this. He is so very young, he doesn't need to be there. Family or not, he needs some time out, away from the drama.

And if events are brought out about Crystal's past that put her in a bad light, how might that impact the living status of her 11 month old?.... that is where the church should step in, one that can provide a loving home environment with other happy children for him to play with and no TV cameras in his face.

[nanieliz]

I agree, it's called electric shock collars, bury a line around the perimeter of where they are allowed to be and if they cross it, ZAP! You can even set the level of the shock, from low to high. If it's good enough for dogs it's certainly good enough for an SO.


I was just getting ready to post this!lol

Somehow,someway our babies need to be protected! Of course this doesn't protect from people like CMA,or Susan Smith, or many many others.
Sadly bodies are discarded every day to never be found.

NanieLiz

[teresa]

I wouldnt want to see any child put in foster care I can see Crystal's point for not wanting Misty to watch jr. and then I can see Ron's point because Crystal stood in front of a judge and said she was to lazy to get up to take Haleigh to the dr. Then I can see where maybe just maybe this woke Crystal up and she is finally relizeing she should have done the right thing by her kids and now it may be to late. I can see Ron's point that he has taken care of these kids along time, and that in his eyes nothing is wrong where jr. is right now. it's just sad they cant sit down and try to work something out. In all this crazy stuff going on it's takeing the focus off of finding Haleigh imo. She needs the most help at this time, there is time to battle it all out later. all jmo

You've summed it up pretty well breeze. It's a mess. I don't want him snatched away from family though. He is missing his Sissy and he knows someone took her. He has to be scared and insecure. I also wish they would sit down together and come to some agreement until Haleigh is found.

[kitty1182]

If Crystal does jail time for child support arears, then Ron's going to the clink for statutory rape involving more than just one young teenager. I think they may have more on him then that, maybe an obstruction of justice charge or two....

moo

I think you could be right..

[teresa]

If Crystal does jail time for child support arears, then Ron's going to the clink for statutory rape involving more than just one young teenager. I think they may have more on him then that, maybe an obstruction of justice charge or two....

moo

How has he obstructed justice? The police are satisfied with him and know where he was. If Misty is lying, I can see charging her but I see no grounds for RC being charged.

[sydney]

Hi everyone. been following this case for a long time....just a question about the kitchen light. where was it? if it was on the wall, how high was it? was it near the back door and/or the entrance to the kitchen? Was it a pull cord? i was wondering if haleigh got out of bed and went into the kitchen for something and turned it on herself.

(hope i did this right)

moo

[teresa]

For right now they could just split the time up like every other week or maybe half weeks 4 one week 3 the next or something and as long as Ron is living with his grandmother Misty would be there but someone else would also be there. I just feel it's all wrong fighting over jr at this time poor little guy has been threw enough hell already imo.

I could go for that. I have no problem with them ordering that one of the grandmas has to be around anytime Misty is with him until we know what happened. I just don't think he needs to be away from the person who has raised him for his whole life. He needs to feel secure.

[teresa]

What do you mean? I am new here. What is this board for? Objectively looking at actions and words, or telling our stories and deciding truth based on preconceived notions?

I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else here. I see many here who are compassionate and also searching for answers; searching for a little girl who has vanished.

We are just like talking heads on TV (except we are better informed, I think!) giving our opinions and sharing our thoughts. That's all we can do. What do you want to talk about?

[kitty1182]

Hi everyone. been following this case for a long time....just a question about the kitchen light. where was it? if it was on the wall, how high was it? was it near the back door and/or the entrance to the kitchen? Was it a pull cord? i was wondering if haleigh got out of bed and went into the kitchen for something and turned it on herself.

(hope i did this right)

moo

Hello and Welcome......:smile:

[5boxersmom]

I wonder if Misty was watching JR when Ron and Teresa did the NG interview. It was kinda strange he said to I have to answer that. Then said he was with his grandma. Just found it strange.

imo

[Owlface]

Maybe she realizes that she and the child are better off without Ron in their lives? Just a thought.



moo

That's exactly my thought.

[5boxersmom]

I found it strange also but then someone on here said maybe he didnt want anyone to know where he was staying for his own safety.
I wish we knew where Haleigh was:sad:

That could be true also.

I wish we knew too.

[crymeariver2006]

Quick question if anybody knows....

Ron's mother claims that he had only worked the night shift (4:30 p.m. to 3:00 a.m.) for some five weeks prior to Haleigh's disappearance. Right.

Before then, he would have worked the day shift (6:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. per breeze's phone call to DMB). Right? (Assuming he had indeed been with DMB for some time and not just the five weeks prior to Haleigh's disappearance)

Prior to moving into the 3 BR home in November, he rented a 2 BR from the same landlord, Phyllis Bard.

If Ron had to be at work at 6:00 a.m., who was responsible for getting Haleigh to the bus stop or to school? Who was watching the children then? Was it Misty?

Aside from illnesses, which I presume she would have had to have a doctor's note, how are the rest of the tardies and absences (I believe there were 22 total) accounted for?

TIA to anyone that knows!

[Owlface]

Hey - is it to late to weigh in on the southern way of Miss Nancy, yes ma'am discussion? Good, 'cause I'd just like to say that if one is only polite "Yes, Miss Nancy" to those we agree with and not polite to those we don't agree with "glares at Meredith Veira (sp)" then we northerners call that a**-kissing and I don't have any time for it. If one wants to be considered genuinely respectful then one would treat everybody with respect.

[sydney]

Thanks for the welcome, Kitty. i SO want this little girl found. right now, i am not concerned over whose morals are wrong, who is being vindictive, who should not have done this, who should have done that....that to me is not important. i agree that there are many unanswered questions (and i would still like one about the kitchen light -just curious that way). i realize that everyone has an opinion and are entitled to make theirs be known, and i respect that, but i don't think any really productive discussion of evidence or lack thereof is occurring right now.

i would really like to focus more on what (little) we know than on what we think of the players involved or what should or should not occur in the lives of those same players in the event Haleigh is found.

so i realize that my question may have been asked and answered before, but for some reason, that little is really bugging me.

thanks.

[IlliniFan]

Thanks for the welcome, Kitty. i SO want this little girl found. right now, i am not concerned over whose morals are wrong, who is being vindictive, who should not have done this, who should have done that....that to me is not important. i agree that there are many unanswered questions (and i would still like one about the kitchen light -just curious that way). i realize that everyone has an opinion and are entitled to make theirs be known, and i respect that, but i don't think any really productive discussion of evidence or lack thereof is occurring right now.

i would really like to focus more on what (little) we know than on what we think of the players involved or what should or should not occur in the lives of those same players in the event Haleigh is found.

so i realize that my question may have been asked and answered before, but for some reason, that little is really bugging me.

thanks.

Hi,

I understand your frustration. The problem is there is very little that LE has confirmed in this case. Everything else is rumors.

We know LE is focusing on the timeline...7pm until 3am when shortly after the 911 call was made....

[bookie]

Testimonies, babies, living arrangements. I'm certain le has a lot more than that, Ronald himself admitted on national tv that he has had relationships with teenagerS, plural. Ronald Cummings is no stranger to dating teenagers and I have to wonder at this point, did he ever date anyone who was of legal age? With the exception of the time spent with Crystal AFTER she turned 18.

moo


Amber was 2 years ago and Ron was 23. That age is in the guidelines that were posted here early on. IIRC the ages were 16-24 so no stat rape charge there. When he was with Crystal they were both teens so again no stat rape charge and he's married to Misty so no charges there imo.

[teresa]

Hi everyone. been following this case for a long time....just a question about the kitchen light. where was it? if it was on the wall, how high was it? was it near the back door and/or the entrance to the kitchen? Was it a pull cord? i was wondering if haleigh got out of bed and went into the kitchen for something and turned it on herself.

(hope i did this right)

moo

Hi sydney. On the tapes with Ron in the house (after the one with Teresa N. ) they show the kitchen light switch. It still had the black stuff for fingerprinting on it. It is on the wall just past the hallway from the back door. If you are coming from the hallway it would be on the wall on your right. It looked to be standard height...just a regular switch.

[?noanswer]

IMO neither one of them need these children, I don't want to see them in foster care but maybe that would be the best thing right now. If Crystal is staying at the Haleighbug space I would like know other then being there to take donations what shes doing to help find her daughter? Are they still passing out flyer's? Just what are they doing.
I don't trust or care for any of these folks at the moment and I have tryed to give them al a fair chance.

I went to the new web page www.haleighbug.com (http://www.haleighbug.com) to see what the items were that they are going to be selling. The only thing there now is a small picture of Haleigh and "Site under Construction". IIRC it was Tshirts and buttons. When the site is constructed, I'll look again. Other than that they were asking for donations for Crystal. JMO

I went to

[aproudmom]

News at this hour:

Haleigh's Mother's Attorney Says She Met With DCF
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134032&catid=3


Haleigh Charity Organizers Refuse Donations From Accused Sexual Criminal
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134030&catid=3

Thanks for the links Babes

[5swab5]

What I am saying is most people here, regardless of whether they agree with me or not, know what it is I am referring to. And you are right, this is about finding a little girl, but MY OPINION is that the mother's family is using this tragedy to take advantage of a moment in time to regain custody of Jr. and are only doing this because they were brought into the public light.

In my opinion, if this horrible thing had not happened, there would never have been a custody issue. And to use the disappearance of a precious little girl as a basis (granted with other things put in there) to try and get custody is reprehensible. I was up in arms when Ronald got married instead of looking for his little girl, and now I am up in arms tha while energies should be put into finding Haleigh, the focus of the parents and the media will be split due to this custody issue. The focus should be solely on Haleigh, but it will not be as long as this nonsense continues...

Again JMO

I agree, especially since Crystal's Attorney has kinda fallen in her lap because of Haleigh being missing. Has it been said, if she is working Pro Bono? MOO

[IlliniFan]

I agree, especially since Crystal's Attorney has kinda fallen in her lap because of Haleigh being missing. Has it been said, if she is working Pro Bono? MOO


I thought the attorney said she was on one of the evening shows....I could be wrong. I wouldn't be surprised.

Also, I though Cobra was as well....

[?noanswer]

Hi everyone. been following this case for a long time....just a question about the kitchen light. where was it? if it was on the wall, how high was it? was it near the back door and/or the entrance to the kitchen? Was it a pull cord? i was wondering if haleigh got out of bed and went into the kitchen for something and turned it on herself.

(hope i did this right)

moo

The one I saw was a chandlier type. Don't know if that is the one that was turned on though. JMO

[kitty1182]

Thanks for the welcome, Kitty. i SO want this little girl found. right now, i am not concerned over whose morals are wrong, who is being vindictive, who should not have done this, who should have done that....that to me is not important. i agree that there are many unanswered questions (and i would still like one about the kitchen light -just curious that way). i realize that everyone has an opinion and are entitled to make theirs be known, and i respect that, but i don't think any really productive discussion of evidence or lack thereof is occurring right now.

i would really like to focus more on what (little) we know than on what we think of the players involved or what should or should not occur in the lives of those same players in the event Haleigh is found.

so i realize that my question may have been asked and answered before, but for some reason, that little is really bugging me.

thanks.

Not sure if she could reach it or not, but Ron says she is afraid of the dark,so I would think she would have woke misty up if she wanted anything...I pray she is found very soon.....I hope and pray she is alive and well, but if she isn't she still needs to be found ASAP..:sad:

[IlliniFan]

the attorney is pro bono

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d17-Haleighs-moms-attorney-meets-with-Department-of-Children-and-Families


thanks.....

[?noanswer]

For right now they could just split the time up like every other week or maybe half weeks 4 one week 3 the next or something and as long as Ron is living with his grandmother Misty would be there but someone else would also be there. I just feel it's all wrong fighting over jr at this time poor little guy has been threw enough hell already imo.

Yes, he needs to be in a secure environment that he is familar with. As far as split custody at this point, it could be done. If Crystal is going to be living at Haleighbug headquartes, that would not be a good place for him to be. Once he gets to be school age, it would be a problem if they didn't both live in the same school district. JMO

[bookie]

They could still go back on Misty, you don't know all the teenage girls Ron dated. I'm certain le is quite aware.

jmo



Since Ron married Misty I doubt they will charge him with any crime related to her. They won't be able to prove the charge/s.

[?noanswer]

I hate to say it but I think Jr was with Misty, and he just said with grandma to appease...

JMO

Since he is living with grandma she probably was there. Misty could have been there too. I think both GM and GGM were very much involved in both of the children's lives. JMO

[lilredfocker]

yes i also heard she is working for crystal--pro bono. im not sure whats going on in this family but they ALL strike me as having something to hide. they definitely need some educational courses on speech. i believe that TN is genuine in her tears. i believe she has no clue as to what happened to haleigh.IMO. misty is 17 yrs old. naive. clueless. just a child herself. so enough said there. ron sounds like a control freak.IMO. these ppl are taking a horrible situation and putting a spin on it to satisfy their own means. just sad a little girl had to pay they price for their sick thinking. im referring to them using precious time to sling mud and not use that time wisely to find Haleigh. PRAYERS FOR HALEIGH

[cloe23]

From what I have been reading here, LE still hasn't made a move or have nothing to warrant an arrest. :confused:

[bookie]

I'll wait for le to make that judgement, unless you have inside information that you can share?

jmo


Wait for LE but may I suggest you not hold your breath.

I don't, and never have pretended to, have inside information.

[Owlface]

Since Ron married Misty I doubt they will charge him with any crime related to her. They won't be able to prove the charge/s.

If she became pregnant prior to the time he married her he can and will be charged with statutory rape. I believe she is pregnant and he erroneously believed marrying her would prevent him from being charged. And it might have worked if he wasn't involved in such a high-profile situation. Of course, if he wasn't involved in this situation he would have never married her. IMHO

[?noanswer]

<bolding mine>
ITA Owlface. Either you are well mannered, or you're not. It almost looked like Ronald was talked to prior to NG's interview. Miss Nancy? Since when does Ronald refer to anyone as "miss"? I also found it odd when NG was questioning Ron and said "How did this get so bass ackwards"? Is she trying to come down to his level to relate? If so, why didn't she ask better questions and why didn't she call him out when he said the cousin wasn't there that night? Why didn't Ron's own mom, Teresa stop and say yes or no to the cousin being there? Someone coached Ron that night prior to the interview, but imo it didn't help him at all. If you get bored, go to the links section and read the "eyes for lies" post Swaravoski posted last night, it's a very good read.

jmo

With all due respect the blogger on "eyes for lies" is a self proclaimed lie determiner. As far as I could tell, she has no formal training. Just realized one day that she knew when people were lying. I put as much trust in her as I do a Psychic. Posters on web pages have as much ability as she when it comes to evaluating people's truthfulness. JMO

[lilredfocker]

If she became pregnant prior to the time he married her he can and will be charged with statutory rape. I believe she is pregnant and he erroneously believed marrying her would prevent him from being charged. And it might have worked if he wasn't involved in such a high-profile situation. Of course, if he wasn't involved in this situation he would have never married her. IMHO

I believe misty is pregnant. thats why ron married her. what does a 20 something yr old man want with an underage girl? there's only one thing i can think of. well now he has his 'trophy wife':closedeyes:

[darcie]

Maybe she realizes that she and the child are better off without Ron in their lives? Just a thought.



moo

Good point......But I tend to think if that is the case, she wouldn't need his money either.

[?noanswer]

I agree, especially since Crystal's Attorney has kinda fallen in her lap because of Haleigh being missing. Has it been said, if she is working Pro Bono? MOO

Yes, it has been said she is Pro Bono. She also sent the first person that volunteered to be a media representative packing. Guess she doesn't want to share her 15 minutes. JMO

[mustangtoni]

JMO but Ron most likely didnt "date" teenagers, no one "dates" anymore, you are either sleeping with someon or you are friends. And he obviously isnt sharing video games and farts with these teenage girls.

ITA...These aren't what I would call dates....Going to the movies, dinner and dancing...

[CC I See]

I know what you're saying Sam, I've seen it too. I only cringed when I saw your post because my daughter will be going on her first date soon and I hate to think of your scenario, lol.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows Misty wasn't just a hired hand to nanny after the kids, with private quarters to sleep in. Rather, she shared Ronald's bed with his kids. Last night I mentioned that Ronald told Nancy Grace he now sleeps with jr every single night. I know each one of us here on the board would sleep with our children after such a catastrophic event like this one. But I wondered, does that mean Misty is also sleeping with Jr and Ronald? Because if that's the case, I do not like it at all and that is not to suggest some sick sexual acts going on, merely to suggest that I find it is not appropriate to have a step parent sleeping with a small child, given the circumstances Misty is involved with.

jmo.... good point. Jr. may have a lot of misgivings about Misty since I am sure he has heard so much talk about her and what she may have done to Haleigh.That must be a real nightmare for this little angel.

[aproudmom]

yeah i think Ronald needs a lawyer because his ex is up to no good IMO . I seriously doubt Ronald will lose custody of the babies and i wouldn't be shocked if Crystal did some jail time for not paying her child support.


JMHO

Not so sure about that I am owed for 5 years of support and still walking the streets not paying for his child. I think they both need help and parenting classes before JR is taken from both of them Haleigh is being lost in all this custody stuff. IMO

[?noanswer]

well, I may be exaggerating by saying that "no one" dates anyore, but it is very hard to come by. Now days, people like eachother, tell eachother, sleep together and then label themselves a couple. Or, you are "friends with benefits". Im not a teen but Im still young enough that I have friends who are 19-29 and not one of them who have a significant other ever dated. No movies, no dinner...thats it.

Well, this is a sad world if the only thing unmarried people are doing is shacking up. Your friends may be like that, but the young people I know are not. JMO

[lilredfocker]

'trophy wife' and one that has no clue as to what happened to his child:cursing:

true. if it were me and thank the good lord its not, i would drag misty to the cop shop and park my a** at the police station and misty would not come out until her story had no inconsistencies whatsoever. if she gets found out to be just another party girl then oh well thats not our problem. our concern is for Haleigh and thats the way it should be for them. not a wedding, a tattoo, or anything else. PRAYERS FOR HALEIGH

[?noanswer]

You know, if you think about it, of course he has dated teenagers...that we know of, Crystal and Ron were together when they were BOTH teenagers, and then it was Amber who IIRC he was with when he was 23, and she was 17, and then Misty... anything before Crystal would be completely legal since he was under 18 at that time.
What I am saying is he answered yes because it is the truth, but it isn't as nefarious as he has been dating 10 teenagers over the course of 7 years...I could be wrong though since we are only aware of the ones we have been told about...

Anyway, JMO

I think most people date as teenagers at one time. Not too many of them wait until they are 20 years old to start dating. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

If she became pregnant prior to the time he married her he can and will be charged with statutory rape. I believe she is pregnant and he erroneously believed marrying her would prevent him from being charged. And it might have worked if he wasn't involved in such a high-profile situation. Of course, if he wasn't involved in this situation he would have never married her. IMHO

I think they will have to start with Misty's parents in an investigation like this. DCF would have to do a welfare check and start there. The first responsibility is there with CARING for YOUR CHILD, providing food and shelter and we know that Misty was living with Ron, but IIRC there was another domicile prior to Ron too. IT could become a full time job just to TRY and charge Ron with something IMO. :w00t:

I don't see that happening. The village should have called DCF long ago and maybe we wouldn't be here now IMO. :crying:

[Peaches]

Since he is living with grandma she probably was there. Misty could have been there too. I think both GM and GGM were very much involved in both of the children's lives. JMO



So do I..............in fact, when he was awarded custody, he said that his mother, his aunt and his grandmother would be helping him with the children. I feel because they have been their from the time these children were born, they are very close to these children.

Say what you want about Ron but he did step up and say that they were his babies and that he wanted to make sure they were taken care of............well, you know the rest.

moo

[aproudmom]

Thanks ?noanswer. With all due respect, I think everyone here is intelligent enough to look at her credentials and put 2 and 2 together. I take her viewpoints with a grain of salt, but still find her blog to be very interesting. Easy reading, if you will.

jmo

I must agree I love to read what she has to say alot of it is very interesting does not mean we think she knows the truth but I do go to her site also.

[?noanswer]

ITA with you. My mother-in-law doesn't go a day without seeing both of my sons. She just wants to be involved in their lives and spend as much time with them as possible. I think GM and GGM are the same way. What I think is when NG asked that question, the answer that trembled on his tongue was "With Misty" even though there were other people around. Then people would be off and running with that answer. So at first he didn't know how to answer...

Anyhoo, JMO

I also think he didn't want to divulge where Jr. was staying for safety purposes. I heard one reporter say that Ron told him where they were staying, but he would rather that it was not reported. The reporter said he respected that and would not tell. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I also think he didn't want to divulge where Jr. was staying for safety purposes. I heard one reporter say that Ron told him where they were staying, but he would rather that it was not reported. The reporter said he respected that and would not tell. JMO

Well, that's a good thing to hear noanswer. I hope that's true and I still don't understand why some posters are still questioning it. JMO tho. :confused:

[crymeariver2006]

Thats odd last night i pulled up a whole different looking site:shrug:
Thanks for this info

There were some definte HTML bugs in the site as it looked last night/this morning concerning the photos.

Hopefully someone notified them of that and they took the site back down to address those and other issues. :wink:

[teresa]

IF we can believe Nancy's website after yesterday, the mom and lawyer will be on with Nancy tonight. That's if there isn't any week old BOMBSHELLS to cover. :biggrin:

I wonder if Nancy knows the lawyer has already filed something with the court?

[lilredfocker]

LOL, a trophy for what?

Ron likes to 'date' younger girls we know this. he thought he had something to show off to his buddies. personally i would be embarrassed to date someone underage not to mention its against the law. its like saying no woman that has half a brain would put up with a control freak like him so he must stay with ones he can control. Haleighs disappearance made the plan take an unexpected turn. so now either misty is pregnant or theres something about the issue that husband and wife cannot be forced to testify against the other. the whole case has me flabbergasted!! i wish they would find a break in the case but as long as all the BS is flying around, they wont. sad sad

[teresa]

It might be also that Ron "stepped up" to take the kids to avoid the very child support that Crystal avoided making. From what I gather, Ron worked, worked, worked. Remember? He was at work, he doesn't know anything.

Misty did laundry, GGMA Sykes did laundry, Misty took care of the kids, did Haleigh's hair in the morning. From Grandma Teresa "That child walked out of the house like she just walked out of a beauty parlor" Misty bathed the children. From what it sounds like to me, Ronald had very little interaction with the kids other than to work and to go to sleep in the same room as them. Misty and the grandmothers got handed the vital parental duties with Ronald lagging behind, imo.

jmo

Well good grief. You are going to criticize him for working? Should he have taken them with him?

It costs more to raise a child than that small amount of child support.

[?noanswer]

There were some definte HTML bugs in the site as it looked last night/this morning concerning the photos.

Hopefully someone notified them of that and they took the site back down to address those and other issues. :wink:

None of the picture links were working. I also wonder if they have read comments about the narrative and are rewriting that. It should have been very easy to fix the links for the pictures. I also looked at the other page links. Haleigh's discription was only a couple of sentences. One of them was that she had pierced ears, no mention of her birthmark. When I designed web sites, I would leave the original up until I was finished with the new page. I would then upload the new page. JMO

[teresa]

Jane Valez Mitchell will also be covering Haleigh tonight.

If Nancy is still playing cheerleader for Ron tonight, I'll be done watching her and not because she is on Ron's "side" but because she is so far out of touch with this case that she doesn't report it even accurately, imo.

jmo

What has been inaccurate? Her producer saying you can't see a light on a few feet away in the dark? I'll agree to that one.

[aproudmom]

I think they will have to start with Misty's parents in an investigation like this. DCF would have to do a welfare check and start there. The first responsibility is there with CARING for YOUR CHILD, providing food and shelter and we know that Misty was living with Ron, but IIRC there was another domicile prior to Ron too. IT could become a full time job just to TRY and charge Ron with something IMO. :w00t:

I don't see that happening. The village should have called DCF long ago and maybe we wouldn't be here now IMO. :crying:

Yes he could be charged but will they I do not think so it has been stated that at this time it is about a missing child Haleigh IMO they will not charge him since they feel he has had nothing to do with his daughter being missing but they could by law arrest him he is over 24 and she is 17 as was I think Amber If I am correct.

[teresa]

None of the picture links were working. I also wonder if they have read comments about the narrative and are rewriting that. It should have been very easy to fix the links for the pictures. I also looked at the other page links. Haleigh's discription was only a couple of sentences. One of them was that she had pierced ears, no mention of her birthmark. When I designed web sites, I would leave the original up until I was finished with the new page. I would then upload the new page. JMO

That's what I think. When I couldn't sleep last night, I read some of the local comments and they weren't too nice about the narrative on that site.

[cloe23]

I apologize if this has been hashed out already.
Anyone know what the front door locks were like?

[?noanswer]

See and that gives me pause to believe there is more to this...is it because they do not want reporters camping out in front of the house and exposing Jr to more of that? or is it directly related to Haleigh's disappearance? more and more questions...

JMO

Maybe for you, but I can understand not wanting every tom, dick, & harry to know where he is living. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

None of the picture links were working. I also wonder if they have read comments about the narrative and are rewriting that. It should have been very easy to fix the links for the pictures. I also looked at the other page links. Haleigh's discription was only a couple of sentences. One of them was that she had pierced ears, no mention of her birthmark. When I designed web sites, I would leave the original up until I was finished with the new page. I would then upload the new page. JMO


Depends on how much and what had to be changed. It may have been created and went "live" before anyone had a chance to input much on the photos, descriptions, etc. Plus, if the site designer didn't know Haleigh very well, he/she probably just put in the basic info to develop the pages and then fully intended to go back and finish the pages with the correct info. IOW, the site went "live" before it was officially ready.

KWIM?

JMO

[teresa]

Please don't insult my intelligence like that. I didn't suggest that Ronald shouldn't be working, only suggesting that while he was at home, it doesn't appear that he had much of a role in raising Jr and Haleigh, given what we know today. Of course he has to work, he should be back to work by now, shouldn't he?

jmo

He didn't take them swimming, fishing, color Easter eggs with them? Teaching them to brush their teeth? I'll admit he's not my idea of a father of the year but I don't think he neglected them. I give them all slack right now about working...I couldn't under the circumstances.

[?noanswer]

I apologize if this has been hashed out already.
Anyone know what the front door locks were like?

I don't remember any discussion about the front door. Everything has been about the screen/storm and wooden door in the back. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Maybe by not clearing up issues like Ron stating his cousin wasn't there the night Haleigh disappeared when clearly that needed to be addressed. Maybe accurate wasn't the word I should have used, maybe soft is better. The interviews by NG seem to me that she isn't as informed on this case as she should be or maybe she's just acting the part to score further interviews with Ronald. How NG hinky meter is not going up over Misty's inconsistencies, the wedding, the tattoo's, is beyond me.

jmo

Hey 51..

I am wondering if guests can put limits on what NG can ask? Can they say I'll go on your show but you are not to ask me about this or that??

[Peaches]

You know, if you think about it, of course he has dated teenagers...that we know of, Crystal and Ron were together when they were BOTH teenagers, and then it was Amber who IIRC he was with when he was 23, and she was 17, and then Misty... anything before Crystal would be completely legal since he was under 18 at that time.
What I am saying is he answered yes because it is the truth, but it isn't as nefarious as he has been dating 10 teenagers over the course of 7 years...I could be wrong though since we are only aware of the ones we have been told about...

Anyway, JMO


When some talk about Ron and Crystal, you would think that he was 25 when they dated...................

In Fact................Ron is ONLY 2 years older than Crystal. Nothing wrong with this..............moo

You would think that Ron was at least 40 to see some post about his age. My question is .............where were the parents of the girls Ron dated. What were their rules concerning dating for their children.

And.............people still do date in the area where I live. Many still have family values and morals. moo

[bookie]

It might be also that Ron "stepped up" to take the kids to avoid the very child support that Crystal avoided making. From what I gather, Ron worked, worked, worked. Remember? He was at work, he doesn't know anything.

Misty did laundry, GGMA Sykes did laundry, Misty took care of the kids, did Haleigh's hair in the morning. From Grandma Teresa "That child walked out of the house like she just walked out of a beauty parlor" Misty bathed the children. From what it sounds like to me, Ronald had very little interaction with the kids other than to work and to go to sleep in the same room as them. Misty and the grandmothers got handed the vital parental duties with Ronald lagging behind, imo.

jmo



There are plenty of pictures about that prove that isn't true. There arepics of him fishing with the kids, giving Haleigh a breathing treatment, brushing teeth with them. He was hands on with those children.

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't remember any discussion about the front door. Everything has been about the screen/storm and wooden door in the back. JMO

It would makes sense tho....that Ron changed the front door locks while changing the backdoor IMO

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe by not clearing up issues like Ron stating his cousin wasn't there the night Haleigh disappeared when clearly that needed to be addressed. Maybe accurate wasn't the word I should have used, maybe soft is better. The interviews by NG seem to me that she isn't as informed on this case as she should be or maybe she's just acting the part to score further interviews with Ronald. How NG hinky meter is not going up over Misty's inconsistencies, the wedding, the tattoo's, is beyond me.

jmo

In the beginning NG was tore up about the inconsistencies in Misty's story, even gave it "the look".

Now, not so much - even though now LE has confirmed that there is a problem here.

[aproudmom]

Well good grief. You are going to criticize him for working? Should he have taken them with him?

It costs more to raise a child than that small amount of child support.

teresa I am sorry but money is not love and supporting your child do we know what or how they were being raised even before him and misty got togather I am not saying he did not feed and cloth his children but we really have no idea what was going on behind closed doors in his home and crystals. JMO
I am not blaming this on RC but you have your kids around bad people and bad things something is about to happen not that he did do any wrong just saying it takes more than money and a job everyday people work and feed their kids and still do bad things around them. JMO

[?noanswer]

He didn't take them swimming, fishing, color Easter eggs with them? Teaching them to brush their teeth? I'll admit he's not my idea of a father of the year but I don't think he neglected them. I give them all slack right now about working...I couldn't under the circumstances.

Most of the pictures of Haleigh seemed to be interactive. I think I have mentioned before that I think the one of her squatting down and looking at a fish on the ground is precious. The pictures of Caylee seemed to be posed and more to the advantage of KC.

[mustangtoni]

Hey 51..

I am wondering if guests can put limits on what NG can ask? Can they say I'll go on your show but you are not to ask me about this or that??

Sure they can....and then it's up to NG to accept or reject it...

[KKKKKKatie]

Yes they can KKKKKatie, the most recent fiasco was when Angelina Jolie made the request and it got leaked all over that she requested it. Quite often politicians and celebrities make this request prior to their interview, happens all the time.


that's what I thought. So it could be at Ron and Crystal's asking that NG is not going near certain subjects IMO

[lilredfocker]

i believe that whatever happened to Haleigh started the day before. i mean, was the cousin there? or not? wheres this gun that was found? what about JR saying the couch was bouncing? it just seems to me that an expert or someone would be talking to this child. i feel he holds the key to what happened to his sister. imo

[Peaches]

I hate to say it but I think Jr was with Misty, and he just said with grandma to appease...

JMO


I heard/read that Ron, Misty and Ron, Jr. are all staying with great-grandmother...............so, Ron, Jr. would have been with both GGM and Misty.................

If so...............Ron told the truth - just did not say that Misty was there too.

moo

[bookie]

how the heck do you know what he does when he's at home with his children?

I see history is being rewritten today. Pictures we've all seen show Ron was very active in his children's lives.

[sydney]

back to the kitchen light (i know, i know - move on) - from the way the beds were set up, it appears to me that the queen size bed would not have been exposed to the light because of the wall between the bedroom and the living room. it also appears to me that, if the kitchen light was on, haleigh would have had an unobstructed view of the glow, depending on how she slept (feet towards the kitchen). Or, it may be possible that she heard a noise (the lock on the back door?), rolled over and opened her eyes to look in that direction. if the latter is true and she saw someone who she knew, would she have been afraid to go to that person?

the lock on the door seemed loud as i saw it demonstrated on one of the talk shows - can't remember which - which makes me wonder if it every was truly locked. the screen door was squeaky too, iirc.

i don't remember hearing anything about forced entry into the home. maybe that would explain why.

this makes me think that she was taken by someone she knew - maybe not a family member but neighbors who may have been friendly with ron and misty.

just moo and thinking out loud. thanks for any responses.

[?noanswer]

Ummm...I think you misunderstood. I meant by more questions is when we say safety reasons, are we saying safety from the media, from Haleigh's abductors, both???

I wouldn't want anyone to know where I was staying either.
Just saying...
JMO

I would think everything/body. I know I would not want the likes of GR just walking up to me and sticking a microphone in my face and spouting off things that other people with an agenda had relayed to them. JMO

[cloe23]

I don't remember any discussion about the front door. Everything has been about the screen/storm and wooden door in the back. JMO

Maybe it should be considered? Enter into the front, prop open the back door, then go grab Haleigh?

[KKKKKKatie]

back to the kitchen light (i know, i know - move on) - from the way the beds were set up, it appears to me that the queen size bed would not have been exposed to the light because of the wall between the bedroom and the living room. it also appears to me that, if the kitchen light was on, haleigh would have had an unobstructed view of the glow, depending on how she slept (feet towards the kitchen). Or, it may be possible that she heard a noise (the lock on the back door?), rolled over and opened her eyes to look in that direction. if the latter is true and she saw someone who she knew, would she have been afraid to go to that person?

the lock on the door seemed loud as i saw it demonstrated on one of the talk shows - can't remember which - which makes me wonder if it every was truly locked. the screen door was squeaky too, iirc.

i don't remember hearing anything about forced entry into the home. maybe that would explain why.

this makes me think that she was taken by someone she knew - maybe not a family member but neighbors who may have been friendly with ron and misty.

just moo and thinking out loud. thanks for any responses.


Ron said (and I believe it to be true) that the glow from the light could bee seen from the bedroom. Not the light itself but the glow.

[crymeariver2006]

I see history is being rewritten today. Pictures we've all seen show Ron was very active in his children's lives.

Nobody's attempting to rewrite history, IMO.

Nobody here knows what was going on when the camera wasn't on because it obviously wasn't clicking away 24/7.

JMO

[cloe23]

It would makes sense tho....that Ron changed the front door locks while changing the backdoor IMO

Wonder if there was a dead blot on the front door?

[?noanswer]

back to the kitchen light (i know, i know - move on) - from the way the beds were set up, it appears to me that the queen size bed would not have been exposed to the light because of the wall between the bedroom and the living room. it also appears to me that, if the kitchen light was on, haleigh would have had an unobstructed view of the glow, depending on how she slept (feet towards the kitchen). Or, it may be possible that she heard a noise (the lock on the back door?), rolled over and opened her eyes to look in that direction. if the latter is true and she saw someone who she knew, would she have been afraid to go to that person?

the lock on the door seemed loud as i saw it demonstrated on one of the talk shows - can't remember which - which makes me wonder if it every was truly locked. the screen door was squeaky too, iirc.

i don't remember hearing anything about forced entry into the home. maybe that would explain why.

this makes me think that she was taken by someone she knew - maybe not a family member but neighbors who may have been friendly with ron and misty.

just moo and thinking out loud. thanks for any responses.

That is as likely a scenairo as any other until/if we ever know the true story. JMO

[kkmiausa]

Acquiring a dog may be the only opportunity a human ever has to choose a relative.

Boxermom / Just had to reply to this on behalf of all the cats in the world!!! What ya talkin' about???? Cats rule. Just ask Fendi, Gucci, and Christa.

[KKKKKKatie]

History is not being rewritten, period. Pictures are taken on special days, not every single day. Their day to day living cannot be described by a few pictures, no one on this planet could expect their life story to be described by pictures. Some of the most haunting memories we all have, were not captured by a photo op. I'm not saying Ron was out of the picture, but I'm certainly not going to say that he didn't dump some of his responsibilities onto a 16/17 year old girl or that of his mom or grandma.

Everyone needs help, that's what friends and family are for. I just questioned why GGMA Sykes is bringing clean laundry to their home at 7 o'clock at night (which I don't believe happened to begin with) and why Misty's doing laundry, baths, bedtime, etc. So I apologize if you took it as history being rewritten, but my opinion surely wouldn't account for a history lesson in that it is my own opinion, no?

jmo

I agree with most of your post...except lol I have often times kept my grandsons dirty clothes, when they have stayed with me, and washed them and taken them over. My daughter has her hands full with twins and a 9 year old so I do it so save her some time. And because I then have an excuse to go over the next day :biggrin:

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe it should be considered? Enter into the front, prop open the back door, then go grab Haleigh?

If the back door's open (either already or someone just picked the lock), why bother with the front door?

Why go in thru the front and have to take the time to set the back door just right so it doesn't close back?

If you've got the front door open already, why wouldn't you just use that one to go back out?

[?noanswer]

I agree with most of your post...except lol I have often times kept my grandsons dirty clothes, when they have stayed with me, and washed them and taken them over. My daughter has her hands full with twins and a 9 year old so I do it so save her some time. And because I then have an excuse to go over the next day :biggrin:

I did the same thing. I enjoyed washing my granson's clothes. Just another memory of him. JMO

[cat3]

I read this transcript and did not see "couch" mentioned. I even did a search for "couch" and did not get any results. If someone else saw it could you please tell me where it is located. I know JVM jumps around in the story and maybe that is why I can't see it. JMO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPm-YuA6yEY

Hope this link works.Someone had this up @ WS.

I wonder if the couch was vinyl or leather.Maybe that would account for the squeaky noise Jr. heard.

[kkmiausa]

Doesnt it seem to anyone else that LE are dismissing these SO too easy? Seems like they said they cleared the 45 SO very soon. But that have spoken since and said no one has been cleared.



Im really starting to believe when LE said they dont have a clue what happened to Haleigh that they really dont.


In that same vein, How can they so quickly rule out the AC guy? Also why has his name never been mentioned, and did he see Haleigh???????This is a big question that has never been answered.

[SwineFeld]

I don't think that the problem is that we don't have a means to find and control these people. IMO the problem lies in the fact that too many people want to give too many rights to these scum bags. Too many people care more, or equally as much, about idiots likes this rather than innocent victims. It makes me sick. IMO


Really! We can put a man on the moon, but we can't keep SOs where we know they are at all times? People find ways to contain and control vicious dogs all the time. If it was a priority it would be done. How many little children have to suffer first? :mad: MOO

[cloe23]

If the back door's open (either already or someone just picked the lock), why bother with the front door?

Why go in thru the front and have to take the time to set the back door just right so it doesn't close back?

If you've got the front door open already, why wouldn't you just use that one to go back out?


Cause you would be at a higher risk of being spotted and would look more suspicious leaving with a child, maybe the destination was towards the back of the house.
Just putting some thoughts out there.:confused:

[SwineFeld]

They should also have to be branded on the forehead (some sort of tattoo or mark). That way we can spot these idiots. And no, I don't care about their rights. I care more about these innocent children (and adults) that are getting hurt and killed every day. But no one has to agree. It's JMO.

I agree, it's called electric shock collars, bury a line around the perimeter of where they are allowed to be and if they cross it, ZAP! You can even set the level of the shock, from low to high. If it's good enough for dogs it's certainly good enough for an SO.

[lilredfocker]

In that same vein, How can they so quickly rule out the AC guy? Also why has his name never been mentioned, and did he see Haleigh???????This is a big question that has never been answered.

your right they never have spoke his name. i was just curious to the fact that if misty realized that haleigh was missing and ron was coming up the drive which door did he use to enter the house? front or back? if it was the back then why didnt he question the cinder block?

[KKKKKKatie]

I agree with you KKKKK, many grandparents help out with the laundry. My point is merely to suggest how much of a role did Ronald really play? I will be curious to find that out once the case comes to closing. Again, I also question whether Granny Sykes was even there that night.

jmo


At this moment I am questioning everyone and everything. I am just baffled by this whole case! :confused:

[CANDYKISSES]

I got it right away, for safety reasons, why would anyone think anything else????

My thoughts too Nan, simply because of all the negative press on Ron and accusations levied for other things IMO.

I was reassured that Ron wants to help when I saw him at the truck with Cobra. I have to believe as much as he loves Haleigh and Junior, there is no way this will just disappear like Haleigh did. All parties involved need to be putting their heads together and Misty should be assisting with the help of a lawyer IF things aren't working with her and LE. JMO tho.

I see no saints and no winners here period. The only good thing that could come is for a miracle in finding Haleigh alive. :wub:

[crymeariver2006]

Cause you would be at a higher risk of being spotted and would look more suspicious leaving with a child, maybe the destination was towards the back of the house.
Just putting some thoughts out there.:confused:

Oh I know! I was just point/counterpoint'ing (or something like that).

:wink:

[bookie]

History is not being rewritten, period. Pictures are taken on special days, not every single day. Their day to day living cannot be described by a few pictures, no one on this planet could expect their life story to be described by pictures. Some of the most haunting memories we all have, were not captured by a photo op. I'm not saying Ron was out of the picture, but I'm certainly not going to say that he didn't dump some of his responsibilities onto a 16/17 year old girl or that of his mom or grandma.

Everyone needs help, that's what friends and family are for. I just questioned why GGMA Sykes is bringing clean laundry to their home at 7 o'clock at night (which I don't believe happened to begin with) and why Misty's doing laundry, baths, bedtime, etc. So I apologize if you took it as history being rewritten, but my opinion surely wouldn't account for a history lesson in that it is my own opinion, no?

jmo


Those pictures weren't all taken on the same day. The ages of the kids differed in many of them and Ron was right there with them. Those pictures show a father actively involved with his children.

You admit everyone needs help then question why a GGM would be bringing clean laundry to the home. It seems your opinion only applies to some people but not all. His family shouldn't help him because???

Does GGM have a pool at her house? A sprinkler with a Slip N Slide attached? Could it be the clothes were left there because the whole family had spent the day at her house? Of course that's possible but you automatically assume he dumped his kids off on his family.

And yes I saw your post as trying to rewrite history given that we have seen many pictures of Ron playing/interacting with his kids at varying ages.

[cloe23]

Oh I know! I was just point/counterpoint'ing (or something like that).

:wink:

I understand. :smile:

[CANDYKISSES]

Yes he could be charged but will they I do not think so it has been stated that at this time it is about a missing child Haleigh IMO they will not charge him since they feel he has had nothing to do with his daughter being missing but they could by law arrest him he is over 24 and she is 17 as was I think Amber If I am correct.

I've never seen paternity established concerning an alleged third child. Isn't Ron 25? How could all this take place in such a short time and meet the eligibility requirements?

Again, on Misty, they would have to launch a welfare investigation to determine who was providing for Misty given that is a parental obligation. That's why consent is necessary when under 18 and getting married. JMOOC.

Then they could always deny sexual relations UNLESS she is pregnant IMO. I just don't see it happening now that they have married. It's a sad reason to marry, but my feeling is that's why they did it. JMO again. :sad:

[bookie]

I was 18 when i got married and my hubby was 26 and we've been married 25 yrs.

Wasn't Loretta Lynn 13 when she got married?

Yes she was and remained married to the same man until his death IIRC. Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13-14 year old cousin.

[?noanswer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPm-YuA6yEY

Hope this link works.Someone had this up @ WS.

I wonder if the couch was vinyl or leather.Maybe that would account for the squeaky noise Jr. heard.

Thanks, I think they left the couch out of the written version. I am a doubting thomas when it comes to what JR is saying. If he said it, I wonder if it is what he remembers. One would think he would have told his dad this and not wait two weeks before telling it. I would, like everyone else, like to know what he told the investigators at LE.JMO

[Mojen]

Does anyone know Florida family law? Where I live, Crystal would not be able to do a modification because she would be walking into court with "dirty hands" (unpaid child support). Ron's atty could do a dismissal and have it thrown out.

[?noanswer]

I don't think that the problem is that we don't have a means to find and control these people. IMO the problem lies in the fact that too many people want to give too many rights to these scum bags. Too many people care more, or equally as much, about idiots likes this rather than innocent victims. It makes me sick. IMO

Law breakers have more rights than innocent people. And Lawyers are allowed to present evidence that is not true or confusing. More and more jurors are making decisions based on their beliefs than the evidence that is presented in court. JMO

[cloe23]

I know Ron said he changed the locks on both doors, if this was my child missing I would even question the store where the locks were purchased.
Did someone cut the keys?
Is there a 'lot/group' of locks with the same key/master?
Was Haleigh with him when he went to purchase the locks?

[lilredfocker]

respectfully, i disagree. If you can take one posters viewpoints and turn them into a history rewrite, then that suggests to me that you don't follow this case accurately, at all.

It is my opinion that pictures do not describe a life, nor that of a childs life. It does suggest that the father did interact, but it does not give an accurate description as to how that child lived. Obviously if that were the case, everytime social services showed up to check on a child, all one would have to do is whip out a photo album, no?

All of the above, is my opinion.....not a rewrite of history. :smile:

hit the nail on the head

[?noanswer]

I know Ron said he changed the locks on both doors, if this was my child missing I would even question the store where the locks were purchased.
Did someone cut the keys?
Is there a 'lot/group' of locks with the same key/master?
Was Haleigh with him when he went to purchase the locks?

I have heard there are only a few versions of all keys. There are also master keys that people can get. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Those pictures weren't all taken on the same day. The ages of the kids differed in many of them and Ron was right there with them. Those pictures show a father actively involved with his children.

You admit everyone needs help then question why a GGM would be bringing clean laundry to the home. It seems your opinion only applies to some people but not all. His family shouldn't help him because???

Does GGM have a pool at her house? A sprinkler with a Slip N Slide attached? Could it be the clothes were left there because the whole family had spent the day at her house? Of course that's possible but you automatically assume he dumped his kids off on his family.

And yes I saw your post as trying to rewrite history given that we have seen many pictures of Ron playing/interacting with his kids at varying ages.

I have to take a plea bookie and ask for mercy....:unsure:.

I have one grown son who still asks for certain items to be done by his MOTHER DEAREST and I comply if I have the time. He takes me to lunch from time to time and I don't mind. His fiancee only uses NON THIS AND NON THAT...ALL NATURAL:wink: Mother Dearest uses some fabric softner and gentle dry not to mention spot remover....

So GGM Sykes might do the things that could need special attention for them. JMO

P.S. I have seen several pictures that show a level of complete trust in the eyes of both the child and the adult. If EYES FOR LIES is good enough for this site, then so is applying your life experiences and I see nothing but love, even when Haleigh didn't want to go to school. JMO

[bookie]

Respectfully, I disagree. If you can take one posters viewpoints and turn them into a history rewrite, then that suggests to me that you don't follow this case accurately, at all.

It is my opinion that pictures do not describe a life, nor that of a childs life. It does suggest that the father did interact, but it does not give an accurate description as to how that child lived. Obviously if that were the case, everytime social services showed up to check on a child, all one would have to do is whip out a photo album, no?

All of the above, is my opinion.....not a rewrite of history. :smile:



You are the one who claimed all it sounded like he did was work and sleep. Nothing has been said by anyone, and yes I've followed this case just as closely as you have, that that was all he did and pictures prove he did much more than that. Call it what you will I chose to call it rewriting history with nothing to back it up.

[cat3]

Thanks, I think they left the couch out of the written version. I am a doubting thomas when it comes to what JR is saying. If he said it, I wonder if it is what he remembers. One would think he would have told his dad this and not wait two weeks before telling it. I would, like everyone else, like to know what he told the investigators at LE.JMO

You're welcome.I doubt it as well.

[Peaches]

Well good grief. You are going to criticize him for working? Should he have taken them with him?

It costs more to raise a child than that small amount of child support.


teresa............very well said.

My S and DIL both teach school; I watch their 2 children. I get these babies out of bed, take them to preschool and pick them up. Since I am at their house.............I do whatever I feel like doing that day. Wash & iron clothes/make beds/cook/etc.

Because I love my children and because I do all these things for them does not mean that they are not willing and able to do all these things themselves. I believe that because these things are done when they arrive home, they have more time for their children...........and do fun stuff with them.

all moo

I know that I enjoy being with my little ones.............we are making memories to last our lifetime.

[Peaches]

Jane Valez Mitchell will also be covering Haleigh tonight.

If Nancy is still playing cheerleader for Ron tonight, I'll be done watching her and not because she is on Ron's "side" but because she is so far out of touch with this case that she doesn't report it even accurately, imo.

jmo

Someone needs to be on Ron's side.

To even the playing field, I hope that Ron gets himself an attorney. Hopefully, NG will recommend one of her old friends.

moo

[cloe23]

I have heard there are only a few versions of all keys. There are also master keys that people can get. JMO

That is not right. Can you imagine if someone keyed into your house and took your child, and everyone wrote if off as a brilliant barley 17yr old did this? Or is part of it. Did I just say Misty was brilliant? I meant the opposite, sorry.

[bama__angel]

Does anyone know Florida family law? Where I live, Crystal would not be able to do a modification because she would be walking into court with "dirty hands" (unpaid child support). Ron's atty could do a dismissal and have it thrown out.



And there may be a dismissal here also.......This is all so messed up.....

[CANDYKISSES]

You are the one who claimed all it sounded like he did was work and sleep. Nothing has been said by anyone, and yes I've followed this case just as closely as you have, that that was all he did and pictures prove he did much more than that. Call it what you will I chose to call it rewriting history with nothing to back it up.

While I have many pictures that make me smile regarding this family, I am most touched by the Easter pics. I can remember having to keep putting the egg back to get to that exact color your child wants. It takes patience on the part of a parent as you are running from child to child trying to insure they are happy and having fun. Ron looked very comfortable doing it with the children and I'm guessing maybe Teresa and/or GGM Sykes was on site too taking pics.

But the most precious for me is where Haleigh has the egg out in front of her with the look of total WONDERMENT AND AWE on her face. :wub:That one evokes much emotion here.

[bookie]

Someone needs to be on Ron's side.

To even the playing field, I hope that Ron gets himself an attorney. Hopefully, NG will recommend one of her old friends.

moo



He's villified for being a good father and she's put on a pedastal for being a non mom. If the situation was reversed she'd still be on a pedastal and he'd still be villified but atleast he'd deserve it.

[Peaches]

how the heck do you know what he does when he's at home with his children?




:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[sydney]

thanks, all for putting up with my random thought process....

misty said that she woke up to go to the bathroom, noticed the kitchen light on and saw that haleigh was gone, do i have that right?

i don't think Misty ever said which bathroom she was going to use but she would have had to have come off the side of the bed nearest the hallway or the foot of the bed because, iirc, the other side of the bed was up against the wall, no? and like i said in an earlier post, there was a glow visible from the kitchen light, perhaps even faintly lighting up the floor/other side of the wall.

anyway, Misty wakes up because she has to go to the bathroom, probably still half-asleep (like i am if i have to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night), swings her feet over the bed and sees the glow coming from the kitchen. maybe, because she is still not fully awake, she wonders what's going on or maybe even wonders if haleigh is up. she then looks across and notices haleigh is not in the bed.

my first reaction would not be "o my goodness - my child is kidnapped". my first reaction would be "wonder where she went". after looking around and not finding her, then i would have panicked.

if you interpret what she said like this, i don't see any inconsistencies.

jmo and all that

[bookie]

While I have many pictures that make me smile regarding this family, I am most touched by the Easter pics. I can remember having to keep putting the egg back to get to that exact color your child wants. It takes patience on the part of a parent as you are running from child to child trying to insure they are happy and having fun. Ron looked very comfortable doing it with the children and I'm guessing maybe Teresa and/or GGM Sykes was on site too taking pics.

But the most precious for me is where Haleigh has the egg out in front of her with the look of total WONDERMENT AND AWE on her face. :wub:That one evokes much emotion here.


I loved the school bus pic. It reminded me of my youngest. She wanted to go to school for months before but when the big day got here she sure changed her tune.

[cloe23]

And that takes me back to my locksmith theory. How does a locksmith get you into your house if you lock yourself out? Do they "lock bump" as a few posters mentioned and educated me on, or do they have a master type key that will allow them to unlock your door? Isn't it possible that a sexual predator that has not been caught and charged, and therefore has no record, learn that craft to use in gaining access to their victim's home?

One of many theories...

JMO


Of course these are all only theories.
What if an already convicted SO spent 6 years in a men's prison and was taught how to get passed locked doors? And this SO is missing?

[CANDYKISSES]

You're welcome.I doubt it as well.

Odd that we were also discussing a couch allegedly on the front porch as a poster stated that's where they smoke. Just strange we were discussing that and bada boom bada bing....Junior's allegation disappears from the transcript. :smile: JMO

[bookie]

oh ITA...i can't believe a poster would go so far as to say the only reason he wanted custody of his children is so he didn't have to pay child support. Thats just sick and twisted IMO


I agree. He obviously loves his kids.

[CANDYKISSES]

oh ITA...i can't believe a poster would go so far as to say the only reason he wanted custody of his children is so he didn't have to pay child support. Thats just sick and twisted IMO

Given the fact that the non-custodial parents is in serious arrears, it has a really bad odor given what's going on right now IMO. :blushing:

[SwineFeld]

In regard to the bolded part, she did not notice Haleigh gone first. Instead, she noticed the light on, went out to see why it was on and that's when she noticed the back door open too. She then went back in her room for her cell phone to call Ron and THATS when she noticed Haleigh missing. That's how I understood the story to be based on her interview on the Today show.

thanks, all for putting up with my random thought process....

misty said that she woke up to go to the bathroom, noticed the kitchen light on and saw that haleigh was gone, do i have that right?

i don't think Misty ever said which bathroom she was going to use but she would have had to have come off the side of the bed nearest the hallway or the foot of the bed because, iirc, the other side of the bed was up against the wall, no? and like i said in an earlier post, there was a glow visible from the kitchen light, perhaps even faintly lighting up the floor/other side of the wall.

anyway, Misty wakes up because she has to go to the bathroom, probably still half-asleep (like i am if i have to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night), swings her feet over the bed and sees the glow coming from the kitchen. maybe, because she is still not fully awake, she wonders what's going on or maybe even wonders if haleigh is up. she then looks across and notices haleigh is not in the bed.

my first reaction would not be "o my goodness - my child is kidnapped". my first reaction would be "wonder where she went". after looking around and not finding her, then i would have panicked.

if you interpret what she said like this, i don't see any inconsistencies.

jmo and all that

[teresa]

He's villified for being a good father and she's put on a pedastal for being a non mom. If the situation was reversed she'd still be on a pedastal and he'd still be villified but atleast he'd deserve it.

There must be a reason that LE said over 1/4 of their tips were people wanting to get their ex's in trouble. Father's are rarely given the benefit of the doubt in custody hearings.

[teresa]

I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not but those charges are at this time merely "allegations" until they appear in court and Crystal presents her case.

Not trying to be snarky or anything else. I am trying my level best to explain the facts to you. My hope is that you will understand how things work so we can move past these issues that have little/nothing to do with finding Haleigh.

Hi Patricia. I know we disagree about parts of this case, but I worried about you last night. I couldn't sleep thinking about Haleigh and you.

I hope you are ok today.

[Peaches]

You phrased it better than I. That is what I meant completely. As far as the info I have read here and other places, the only relationship Ron has had that would be considered inappropriate is his relationship with Misty b/c of the age difference. The others were within the time frame. My husband is 6 1/2 years older than me and we met when I was 18. We have been together for 14 years.

And yes, my husband and I dated as in movies, dinners, etc..

JMO

Congratulation................and I hope you have many more happy years and be sure to make those happy memories.

:thumbsup: My husband and I dated as in movies, dinners, etc. just as many still do. My DH was 12 years older than me..............and I can tell you that he was the best thing that every happened to me. We were married 36+ years and it was until death do us part.

[CANDYKISSES]

I must have missed the whole conversation here. Could you explain what you mean?
TIA

I wish I could remember the poster's nic, but try searching smoking and couch, or front porch. It started with a claim that they don't smoke in the home. It would be in the first thread yesterday IMO. :wink:

[bookie]

Actually, no one has been ruled out in this case. No one. So it's way too early to be posting that the police are satisfied. I know that is what his little camp wants people to think, but so sorry. We are much smarter than that...

Kat



The police themselves have said they are satisfied with his answers.

[bookie]

I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not but those charges are at this time merely "allegations" until they appear in court and Crystal presents her case.

Not trying to be snarky or anything else. I am trying my level best to explain the facts to you. My hope is that you will understand how things work so we can move past these issues that have little/nothing to do with finding Haleigh.



Her own mother admitted she owed back support. :rolleyes:

[?noanswer]

And that takes me back to my locksmith theory. How does a locksmith get you into your house if you lock yourself out? Do they "lock bump" as a few posters mentioned and educated me on, or do they have a master type key that will allow them to unlock your door? Isn't it possible that a sexual predator that has not been caught and charged, and therefore has no record, learn that craft to use in gaining access to their victim's home?

One of many theories...

JMO

Most burgulars can get in houses. Granted some break glass, but others get in somehow. JMO

[aproudmom]

Hey 51..

I am wondering if guests can put limits on what NG can ask? Can they say I'll go on your show but you are not to ask me about this or that??

oh KKKKatie good question I thought NG was using kid gloves with him I could see him up and walking away she was not herself that night IMO. I thought she must have agreed to not ask to much or he would not come on. great question:thumbup:

[?noanswer]

While I have many pictures that make me smile regarding this family, I am most touched by the Easter pics. I can remember having to keep putting the egg back to get to that exact color your child wants. It takes patience on the part of a parent as you are running from child to child trying to insure they are happy and having fun. Ron looked very comfortable doing it with the children and I'm guessing maybe Teresa and/or GGM Sykes was on site too taking pics.

But the most precious for me is where Haleigh has the egg out in front of her with the look of total WONDERMENT AND AWE on her face. :wub:That one evokes much emotion here.

The number of eggs they had caught my eye. My grandson and I dyed eggs and made/decorated cupcakes. Those were the days!!! JMO

[SwineFeld]

She was probably just scared. If that happened to me I'd probably call my husband too. At which time he'd probably say, get the gun and call 911.

I dont understand why she planned on calling ron before she noticed Haleigh was gone, do you freak out and call someone cause your door is open? or do you assess the situation first.

[?noanswer]

thanks, all for putting up with my random thought process....

misty said that she woke up to go to the bathroom, noticed the kitchen light on and saw that haleigh was gone, do i have that right?

i don't think Misty ever said which bathroom she was going to use but she would have had to have come off the side of the bed nearest the hallway or the foot of the bed because, iirc, the other side of the bed was up against the wall, no? and like i said in an earlier post, there was a glow visible from the kitchen light, perhaps even faintly lighting up the floor/other side of the wall.

anyway, Misty wakes up because she has to go to the bathroom, probably still half-asleep (like i am if i have to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night), swings her feet over the bed and sees the glow coming from the kitchen. maybe, because she is still not fully awake, she wonders what's going on or maybe even wonders if haleigh is up. she then looks across and notices haleigh is not in the bed.

my first reaction would not be "o my goodness - my child is kidnapped". my first reaction would be "wonder where she went". after looking around and not finding her, then i would have panicked.

if you interpret what she said like this, i don't see any inconsistencies.

jmo and all that


IIRC, she said she saw the light and went to check why it was on and saw the door opened. When she came back to the BR to get the phone, that is when she noticed Haleigh was gone. That makes perfect sense to me. JMO

[SwineFeld]

Well she probably, at that point, assumed the kids were ok. It wasn't until she went back in that she noticed Haleigh gone.

I guess its just me but I would 1st check on my kids, then take a look around, then call my husband & 911.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not but those charges are at this time merely "allegations" until they appear in court and Crystal presents her case.

Not trying to be snarky or anything else. I am trying my level best to explain the facts to you. My hope is that you will understand how things work so we can move past these issues that have little/nothing to do with finding Haleigh.


Do you have a link to this "CASE"?

What I read was concerning the child support that has not been paid in the neighborhood of $4,100. IIRC after reading the transcripts the low amount of support was based on a scale for unemployed or minimum wage. I'll go take a second look at that, but again, it has been discussed here many times now and was even considered as a possible MOTIVE at one point IMO.

Please put forth whatever you're holding on finding Haleigh, certainly I am open to reading your posts on finding Haleigh. No sense in putting that on a back burner. It seems Crystal's attorney wants other things out there at this time and Crystal and family are focusing on getting their new live-in headquarters up with donations and friends. I have only seen a few things out there today and they seem to center around furnishings, donations for clothes and stopping by to offer support to the maternal side of Haleigh's family.

JMO tho.

[cat3]

And that takes me back to my locksmith theory. How does a locksmith get you into your house if you lock yourself out? Do they "lock bump" as a few posters mentioned and educated me on, or do they have a master type key that will allow them to unlock your door? Isn't it possible that a sexual predator that has not been caught and charged, and therefore has no record, learn that craft to use in gaining access to their victim's home?

One of many theories...

JMO

One time when I locked myself out I called a locksmith and they just pulled a key out of a small case and put it in the keyhole,and the door opened.It was amazing.I had tried everything to get that door open.Only took this guy a second.
I suppose there could be a market for a master key that would open any door.

[bookie]

I hope that you do realize I am not trying to be anti here LOL!
The FACTS are that Crystal's Mother is not a party directly involved in this child support case. It doesn't matter what her Mother said.
Even "IF" the allegations are true Crystal has not yet answered the allegations as of yet as the courts have set things aside due to Haleigh's disappearance. For all we know Crystal's reasons for owing said child support could very well be accepted by the courts and charges dismissed. That is fact.


Her reasons for owing it and possibly being set aside doesn't change the fact that she owes it. Her mother knows it because Crystal lives with her mother. The court knows it because their records show she hasn't paid it. That's why they were hauling her butt back into court right before Haleigh disappeared.

[CANDYKISSES]

Her own mother admitted she owed back support. :rolleyes:

Now bookie, you know that while Marie may speak for Crystal, she couldn't possibly know what we have read. :blush: Right?

There was a notice that stated the arrears would be set aside until Haleigh was brought home. I perceived that as an olive branch at a time of crisis. JMO tho.

[bama__angel]

Do you have a link to this "CASE"?

What I read was concerning the child support that has not been paid in the neighborhood of $4,100. IIRC after reading the transcripts the low amount of support was based on a scale for unemployed or minimum wage. I'll go take a second look at that, but again, it has been discussed here many times now and was even considered as a possible MOTIVE at one point IMO.

Please put forth whatever you're holding on finding Haleigh, certainly I am open to reading your posts on finding Haleigh. No sense in putting that on a back burner. It seems Crystal's attorney wants other things out there at this time and Crystal and family are focusing on getting their new live-in headquarters up with donations and friends. I have only seen a few things out there today and they seem to center around furnishings, donations for clothes and stopping by to offer support to the maternal side of Haleigh's family.

JMO tho.


A live-in headquarters? And clothes for whom? Ron Jr.

I dont think I have ever heard of a live in headquarters before?

Any searches for Haleigh being organized?

[crymeariver2006]

He's villified for being a good father and she's put on a pedastal for being a non mom. If the situation was reversed she'd still be on a pedastal and he'd still be villified but atleast he'd deserve it.

I haven't seen anybody put Crystal on a pedestal, but if defending her against daily attacks by posters who can find no fault with Ron or questioning her motives or lack thereof is putting her there, that's your definition- not mine.

It's also not villifying Ron to ask questions or to show concern about his lifestyle, that's your definition - not mine.

It's also not rewriting history to have the opinion that photographs do not show the true story of how a child's life is. There were photographs of Haleigh with Crystal also. And she looked plenty happy there too. But yet,

Photographs of Ron with the children showing smiles- he's a good and loving father
Photographs of Crystal with the children showing smiles - she's a deadbeat non mom and hated her children's guts.

I wouldn't put ANY of these people on a pedestal, and that includes Marie, Teresa, and GGM Sykes.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

(Bolding mine)
Except she didn't look down and do that. She walked out of the room to see why the light was on and saw that the doors were open. She then ran back to the room to get her phone to call ROn, at which time she noticed Haleigh missing.


JMO

I am still open on Misty and the idea that she may be a poor communicator and perhaps have grown up fearing LE as opposed to looking at them as a helping resource. JMO tho and that's it Liz.

That said, I can only imagine how many people have told stories about how each detail must be this or that and having been on the outside track of the law coming into this, she must be nervous or maybe even have a bad attitude when someone calls her a liar. I don't know.

But I sincerely feel if she had a lawyer right now, it would open talks up more IF SHE WANTS TO HELP. She needs someone in her corner that will explain things to her and go over variables, best case scenario to worst case scenario if she is still withholding info that could help in some way. ALL JMO.:unsure:

[cat3]

Odd that we were also discussing a couch allegedly on the front porch as a poster stated that's where they smoke. Just strange we were discussing that and bada boom bada bing....Junior's allegation disappears from the transcript. :smile: JMO


I'm behind on reading the posts.I didn't read all the posts about the bouncing couch,but noticed it was left out of the transcript.
It sounded like an afterthought when Crystal threw it in at the last minute.Sad that we have to depend on a little boy to say what he may have seen or heard that night.
I think Crystal should leave Jr. alone and let someone that works with children deal with his memories,if he in fact has any of that night.

[bookie]

I haven't seen anybody put Crystal on a pedestal, but if defending her against daily attacks by posters who can find no fault with Ron or questioning her motives or lack thereof is putting her there, that's your definition- not mine.

It's also not villifying Ron to ask questions or to show concern about his lifestyle, that's your definition - not mine.

It's also not rewriting history to have the opinion that photographs do not show the true story of how a child's life is. There were photographs of Haleigh with Crystal also. And she looked plenty happy there too. But yet,

Photographs of Ron with the children showing smiles- he's a good and loving father
Photographs of Crystal with the children showing smiles - she's a deadbeat non mom and hated her children's guts.

I wouldn't put ANY of these people on a pedestal, and that includes Marie, Teresa, and GGM Sykes.

JMO



Crystal owes over $4000. in back child support but some posters have decided we can't call her a deadbeagt mom. They've made up excuses for why she owes that money. Now if it were a man who owed it there would be no excuses and the chants of deadbeat dad would be deafening. She was put on a pedastal by several posters here.

[CANDYKISSES]

No. She "alledgedly" owes that money. The "allegation" hasn't been proven yet in the court of law and she has the right to answer to the claims that were brought against her.
If you don't understand that then fine. It makes more sense that you don't understand it and it clearly explains the constant arguing over the subject which is keeping everyone from exploring the fatcs leading up to Haleigh's disappearance.
Thanks.

IF you don't have a copy of the paperwork stating she "allegedly" owed it and has a "CASE" that was presented prior to the disappearance, you are the one who needs to move on with the facts leading up to Haleigh's disappearance and/or anything current IMO if that's what you want to discuss.

You have yet to present anything to convince me you know what you're alleging from my POV.
JMO:sleep:

[emdragon]

Acquiring a dog may be the only opportunity a human ever has to choose a relative.

Boxermom / Just had to reply to this on behalf of all the cats in the world!!! What ya talkin' about???? Cats rule. Just ask Fendi, Gucci, and Christa.

And Samauri and Dagger :biggrin: (who to be fair just moved in with their own Boxer Daisy- my sisters chosen relative)

I really can not believe people are implying that the Great Grandmother is a liar.
She dropped cloths off- no so unusual my mother brought cloths over for my daughter all the time. I don't remember it being phrased as "clean cloths" just cloths. And if it was clean cloths so what? Do people believe that kids don't get dirty when visiting their grandparents?

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm behind on reading the posts.I didn't read all the posts about the bouncing couch,but noticed it was left out of the transcript.
It sounded like an afterthought when Crystal threw it in at the last minute.Sad that we have to depend on a little boy to say what he may have seen or heard that night.
I think Crystal should leave Jr. alone and let someone that works with children deal with his memories,if he in fact has any of that night.

At least leave it to the professionals. :sad: JMO too.

[aproudmom]

I've never seen paternity established concerning an alleged third child. Isn't Ron 25? How could all this take place in such a short time and meet the eligibility requirements?

Again, on Misty, they would have to launch a welfare investigation to determine who was providing for Misty given that is a parental obligation. That's why consent is necessary when under 18 and getting married. JMOOC.

Then they could always deny sexual relations UNLESS she is pregnant IMO. I just don't see it happening now that they have married. It's a sad reason to marry, but my feeling is that's why they did it. JMO again. :sad:

Well he said himself he may have another child so pretty much tells me he thinks he does just has not got paternity yet and yes he is 25 the law is if your 24 or older it is against the law to sleep with a child under the age of 17 I was told that right here on this board cause it is not the same in all states I do blame her parents for allowing them to marry at this time anyway but if they got peed at him before they married they could have went and had him arrested so the law is not always the law I guess. I do not care about all his young girlfriends he said it himself not me.I did not care she is not my daughter but the law is the law and yes he has broke it but LE does not feel that is the most important thing at this time. If he has another child with someone who is or was under 17 such as this Amber girl then I am not just talking about MISTY.JMO

I have no link to Flordia law but I was told that right here on this site and may have even got a link from someone but I feel it has nothing to do with the missing child so I am not going to waste time looking for it. I am so sick of seeing some say they got married at 16 and has been married for years well hello this is a diff time my mom was married at 17 but that was 57 yrs ago

[Texas48]

Actually, no one has been ruled out in this case. No one. So it's way too early to be posting that the police are satisfied. I know that is what his little camp wants people to think, but so sorry. We are much smarter than that...

KatITA Kat...NO ONE has been ruled OUT in this case. I don't know how one can take that statement and NOT get what it means. One can ..ahhhh.....ohhhhhh..at all the smiles in the photos of the kids and Ron and declare how happy they are...Photos are great..but they do not ALWAYS prove what you want them to, We have been deceived many time by"smiles and happy faces". And then some want to KEEP THROWING in the back child support and carp that does NOT mean diddly squat. jmo

[Ice Cycle]

Not to mention that it costs a lot more money to raise a child yourself, than to pay the child support...

JMO

This is not necessarily true, over time maybe and maybe if you include teenagers. But everyone knows that household expenses can be combined and the court does take that in consideration when they set the amount, at least of minimum child support.

[emdragon]

READ THIS : its about Master Key vulnerability

http://www.crypto.com/masterkey.html

We just moved in our new home and the first thing we did was change both front and back locks- and the front lock is one that takes a code to open.

[Ice Cycle]

Wait, wait, in a way it makes sense......if he had reason to believe Crystal wouldn't use the child support money he would be paying her for the children, but would be using it for other purposes, then I can see one point of his filing for custody would be to be able to stop giving her money and have the money spent on the children.

Yes, and she could be using that reason for not paying her child support, especially if she thought their was a drug issue or it was going toward Misty. Would not say that would be the right way to go about it just that that goes both ways.

[emdragon]

Well he said himself he may have another child so pretty much tells me he thinks he does just has not got paternity yet and yes he is 25 the law is if your 24 or older it is against the law to sleep with a child under the age of 17 I was told that right here on this board cause it is not the same in all states I do blame her parents for allowing them to marry at this time anyway but if they got peed at him before they married they could have went and had him arrested so the law is not always the law I guess. I do not care about all his young girlfriends he said it himself not me.I did not care she is not my daughter but the law is the law and yes he has broke it but LE does not feel that is the most important thing at this time. If he has another child with someone who is or was under 17 such as this Amber girl then I am not just talking about MISTY.JMO

I have no link to Flordia law but I was told that right here on this site and may have even got a link from someone but I feel it has nothing to do with the missing child so I am not going to waste time looking for it. I am so sick of seeing some say they got married at 16 and has been married for years well hello this is a diff time my mom was married at 17 but that was 57 yrs ago

Ron just turned 25 in Dec. So you do understand that if that other child is his it was conceived when he was 23 or 24 right?