Wednesday 3/18 Bring Haleigh Home Alive!!!

[teresa]

Tara, and I meant to add, if any of this is true, take the kid(s) away from Ron.

[Rushbo]

Crystal is doing exactly the right thing.

She would be remiss if she just left Jr. in that home after Haleigh disappeared.

[CANDYKISSES]

I like and respect Mark Klaas every time I hear him.

He's not buying what Crystal and her lawyer are selling.

Correct, this is like sneaking in the back door imo. Shame on CS and KP for orchestrating this sham including the new purple house imo using this tragedy to get dollars for who only knows what. I think NG has gotten a wiff of a rat IMO, but I see a pack of them hungry descending upon the purple pad with others aiding them IMO. :crying:

Everyone needs a reminder about decency, Misty needs an attorney and Ron needs to grill her too IMO.:mad:

[cloe23]

DCF is a joke...they are overloaded with cases, and underpaid...

and it's going to get worse. jmo

[Rushbo]

That's what I was talking about. Ron should not have to answer for Misty. This is how things get turned around when someone starts answering for the other. IMO

Why does Ron answer for Misty?

It makes it appear he was involved and is covering up.

[CANDYKISSES]

The infamous pic of the scratches on the face and so described black eyes that was shown by Crystal's mom was from when Haleigh had the accident at school. Grandma Griffis, as told to Geraldo, said she didn't believe the scratches were from the school accident.

Does this mean that will question the school and teachers' report of that accident. IIRC, after that school accident, Ron took her to her Dr for a check.

According to Crystal a woman told her she witnessed Ron back handing Haleigh across the face and knocking her face down. I guess this woman will have to tell the DFS this story and have her credibility examined.

I noticed Crystal fessed up that she had called DFS a number of times. It was admitted DFS had responded and as NG said "they came up empty".

Crystal and her attorney likely regret their visit to NG's show.

Especially after NG exposing her false reporting too. Didn't she mention the donations or was I dreaming?:sad:

[caphill]

Misty told LE that night Haleigh was in bed with her

Sheriff Hardy confirmed it as well early on

That is what i go by

You do not forget something like that unless your told to

MOO

Tara, no one knows what Misty told any of the LE that interrogating her. The media reported a number of different stories. It was reported at one time that both children were in one bed.

[crymeariver2006]

Did they say they have a picture of Haleigh with a black guy, and they saw a black eye or am I just going INSANE.....

Black

Eye

Not black guy.

See, this is how rumors get started! :laugh:

(I'm not qualified to answer about the insanity stuff though. I have a hard enough time with my own. :tonguewag:)

[openminded]

And that's why your nic is "openminded"!

(And we've all seen cases where Nancy has been on the "wrong" side before (Duke, Ricci....). Not saying this is the case here, but she usually digs in on only one side.

But in this case, the side she should be taking is Haleigh's.

She was starting to get a lightbulb moment tonight when Kim told her that these allegations WERE reported to DCF and apparently, in the case of the "stick" marks on Jr.'s legs, they wrote that it was "natural" discipline.

Natural discipline? I've never heard of such a thing.

Of course, I never had to use weapons on my 3 year olds.

I've never heard of natural discipline either and I don't like the sound of it.

Somehow Nancy appears to have forgotten about Haleigh and it's turned into a "he said/she said" thing.

And once she picks her side she doesn't let the truth get in the way of whatever point she wants to make. I certainly saw that in the Duke case.

[playmateII]

Police can remove children for "threat of harm" easily! Zap! Then a hearing by a Judge has to uphold it within three days (appprox). But CPS can petition the court at any interval during an investigation if they assess imminent harm. It's not that hard to remove children as far as I have experienced. But getting them back is very difficult. I say this about the ease of removal when all the things that could harm a child are in place in home. These homes look like they are "begging" to have their children removed. They need to straighten up their messes very soon. I could not recommend placement with either of these parents until a few things changed and other professionals and home studies were done...and I mean indepth evaluations!

Fl is notorious for failing children and not removing them before they die Just saying IMO

Statistics show only 2% of abuse reports or ever substantiated mostly due to incompetent investigators and they never go on the he said she said. They need proof. Abusers seldom abuse in front of witnesses. JMO

[JackiBlu]

Why does Ron answer for Misty?

It makes it appear he was involved and is covering up.

NO not what I meant. Someone was saying Ron should have talked to Misty about the timeline while he was at work and then when someone asks him he says "I don't know, I was at work". Which is what he should say but everyone on these borards thinks he should answer. If he starts answering for her that is how everything gets all mixed up. IMO

[Deb7]

Im not aware that Ron got his kid stole on his watch either because I havent heard who came in and took Haleigh. He could have got his daughter stole the same way Mark Lundsford, Steve Groane and many others have got their kid stole. If LE is satisfied with Rons statements and alibi is he responsible for being at work trying to feed and shelter them?


Well, it surely wasn't on Crystal's watch. So, who would you say had parental responsibility for Haleigh when she went missing? Because that's who's watch she was under when she went missing. Ron is ultimately responsible for his daughter because it was he who had her under his care and chose who would be taking care of her while he was at work. So, it happened while on his watch.

I am willing to stick out my neck here and say that I think if she had been with her mom on this particular day, she would still be here today.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

DCF is a joke...they are overloaded with cases, and underpaid...


If this turns out to be another FL bungling like Precious Doe regarding DCF I will be so sick. I can't believe an entire town lived knowing such an allegation and feared RC, that doesn't wash with me and I still find both parents to be lacking IMO. :crying:

[JackiBlu]

if crystal saw haleigh with two black eyes why didn't she call 911, take her to the ER or call the police?


Exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[~jomomma~]

A thought and just my little opinion.

A strong, intelligent woman shows Crystal that she is worth being helped; that Crystal and her children are worth saving. She is an attorney and has influence.

What parent-even this mom who we do not know but judge so harshly-would not think that NOW is the time to protect her little boy? And Haleigh?

Please don't be cruel and respond by saying she could have done this before. Do we know what she has tried to do? Do we know her inner pain at leaving her children with a man she has believed to be dangerous?





i don't think i was cruel, really. i didn't say she could've done this before. i just don't think right now is the appropriate time.

i do agree and thought about this while i was watching...in that it IS good that someone with influence is stepping up.

ummm, she said ron didn't harm the kids while she was with him. obviously, she/they are going by hearsay? wonder how long it'll be before we hear people from crystal's town come up with allegations about her.

i just don't like the fake crying...drives me nuts :shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Because she knew it was from a fall at school imo.

I believe Teresa also alleged she was taken for follow-up care too. So I guess those records should tell a story as well.

I'm sure a hothead like RC can accrue a few enemies and I'm sure a small town will have its share of gossip and innuendo. But CS seems to have four stages with each allegation previously and it ends with being called triple hearsay IMOO. :blushing:

[JackiBlu]

:thumbsup:


SO.MUCH.WORD!! there, Deb7!! Make that two necks - add mine.



:thumbsup:


MOO


Geez guess if we could see into the future no child would get kidnapped. JMO

[Deb7]

wow you know Crystal and her boyfriend/step brother/baby daddy that well? i sure don't...anything can happen at any time to anyone...look at Elizabeth Smart or Adam Walsh. Do you blame their parents?

No, I don't know her at all. (I'm not sure why you even have to throw a childish insult in here at her, but have at it.) I just know that what happened to Haleigh happened in that house where she lived with her dad.
End of story.

Feel free to add any tabloid twists you like.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

If it really was an economic or health issue she could have went to the Judge and he would have suspended child support for awhile and then he would have had another hearing to adjust the new payments and schedule. so i'm not buying she didn't pay because she wasn't working or pregnant or any of that....sorry

I've seen that happen many times and I still don't understand when pregnancy became a disability for the entire time??? I worked up until the day before I had my first child and most women I know do the same or at least as close to their due date as possible.

I don't know anyone who leaves work the day they find out they are pregnant. JMO tho. :confused:

[Deb7]

wow i guess Crystals lives in the safest house in America :)

At this point Crystal's house is statistically 100% safer than Ron's. JMO

[CC I See]

Look at all the cases of an injury to a child that appeared hours later

Classic case comes to mind where the parent shook the baby but the symptoms came under the watch of another and it was all on the sitter until tests came back proving the incident occurred much earlier


So being at work is not necessarily a solid alibi

(shrug)

MOOYou are 100% correct with this assumption. If Haleigh was cranky then she might have been disciplined. Maybe this is why he keeps saying, "I don't know, I was at work." so often. To remind us that he couldn't have been there during the time she was reported missing. People can and do slip out from work at least they do where I work, especially the night crew. They don't punch out or check out, they just leave and come back at a later time.

[~jomomma~]

At this point Crystal's house is statistically 100% safer than Ron's. JMO


does she live with her mother? or her fiance that is still married to someone else?

[CANDYKISSES]

i don't think i was cruel, really. i didn't say she could've done this before. i just don't think right now is the appropriate time.

i do agree and thought about this while i was watching...in that it IS good that someone with influence is stepping up.

ummm, she said ron didn't harm the kids while she was with him. obviously, she/they are going by hearsay? wonder how long it'll be before we hear people from crystal's town come up with allegations about her.

i just don't like the fake crying...drives me nuts :shrug:

I don't think you were cruel either and it's a hard sell when you leave your kids behind and go on to lead what pictures show and WORDS too is a happy life and a new baby to boot. But you are expressing something much different now.....I am not buying it and still have way too many questions on that front, but not as many as why some attorney isn't stepping forward and helping Misty get herself straight with LE. JMO tho.:sad:

[cloe23]

Haleigh was in Ron's home when she disappeared, IIRC, or so he says, FallenAngel. She was not in a separate town with CS according to LE.

No one has to personally KNOW Crystal and her boyfriend/step brother/baby daddy that well to know that.

Wow, is it customary here to make sardonic comments to fellow posters?

Just wondering.


MOO

Yes IMO this is customary, between IM, PM's and once in awhile a post.

Welcome BTW:smile:

[CANDYKISSES]

does she live with her mother? or her fiance that is still married to someone else?

I don't know, but Chad just had some form of a family court order lifted in November of 2008. IIRc I think it was similar to an ex-parte, but not sure. Hopefully someone else remembers.

[Motomom]

The infamous pic of the scratches on the face and so described black eyes that was shown by Crystal's mom was from when Haleigh had the accident at school. Grandma Griffis, as told to Geraldo, said she didn't believe the scratches were from the school accident.

Snipped so I had room

Crystal and her attorney likely regret their visit to NG's show.

Evening all.. WOW. I missed the first few minutes of Nancy, didn't know Haleigh's biological mom was going to be on there. :wink: I don't understand why NG was calling her that and I'm glad she stopped and just started calling her the mom. So now we hear the dyfs has been called numerous times by crystal, and yet there the children remained? Why did she not seek custody at thost times, if dyfs wasn't taking the children from Rons abuse? Hey, is the Haleighbug website still talking about Crystal and asking for donations :sneaky:

She didn't need a lawyer to go into court for custody for the last 3 years either. Yes, much better to have, but she could have done it herself. Is it called Pro sey or something like that. I know somebody who is doing this now.

I thought the lawyer was going to walk off the set. Wow.. NG was harsh but I don't blame her here. How can the lawyer talk out of both sides of her mouth? She's seeking custody now because they have all of these "facts" and "people "coming out of the woodwork" about this abuse. Crystal did not know there was abuse, even though he beat her "daily". Yet she has pictures from "over the years" showing bruising and abuse? I'm glad Mark Klass said what he said though too, about doing this in the media. If Crystals lawyer is good enough, she doesn't need to do this in the media IMO.

I just went to Haleighbug.com and it has a picture of Haleigh and a comign soon. If haleighbug is going to be a foundation, why not a .org site? I don't think that matters much, I'm not sure, but my husband did a website for a foundation and it is.org. Does that matter much? Any way, does anybody have a cache of the original site, I wanted to show it to him. Oh and was that site really authorized by Crystal? I'm wondering if it wasn't. I may have missed it because I actually did something today, so if I did, I apologize. I've gone on long enough..:blushing:

Ohhh and FWIW, I hope Dyfs is very thorough with this investigation, putting everyone under a microscope. Check all of the people involved with both sides of this family and make the right decision here. If these allegations are true, Jr needs out of there and IMO before he goes to Chrystal, her and Chad and their life need to be looked into as well. I imagine that will take place.. at least I hope so.

Ok, really done now.. sorry

[~jomomma~]

I don't think you were cruel either and it's a hard sell when you leave your kids behind and go on to lead what pictures show and WORDS too is a happy life and a new baby to boot. But you are expressing something much different now.....I am not buying it and still have way too many questions on that front, but not as many as why some attorney isn't stepping forward and helping Misty get herself straight with LE. JMO tho.:sad:

i wish someone would candy. she needs somebody to show her the way too.

[Deb7]

I'm sure that others families who were at home when their child went missing wouldn't agree with you.
jmo

How could they not agree with me. Do any of you read?
I specifically said that Haleigh went missing on her dad's watch. How is that so hard to comprehend. That doesn't mean he did anything to her, nor does it mean that anyone in that house did anything to her, it means just what it says.

And yes, if your child goes missing while asleep in your own house the child has gone missing while under your watch. It is a simple, easy to follow statement. Ron's child was at his house while on his watch, whether he was there or not, he is the parent responsible for his children while they are in his parental care. Sorry, I am not going to even pretend that he left his children with a responsible ADULT.
Feel free to try and argue that one.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Isn't that the truth. Anything can happen anywhere, anytime, any how.
jmo

Yes, just ask Mr. Ramsey or Mr. and Mrs. Smart. They will tell you how easily it can happen anywhere IMO. :crying:

[Motomom]

DCF is a joke...they are overloaded with cases, and underpaid...

Do you think this case being in a media spotlight will push DCF along? Do you think they will risk messing this case up? I would think this would add some major pressure? Good thing they don't do it for the money, if you say they are underpaid. I have no idea how much a DCF employee gets paid.

[CANDYKISSES]

i wish someone would candy. she needs somebody to show her the way too.


Yes and to be a go between to insure everything is legal, advise Misty of any discrepancies and the critical need of clearing them up, best and worst case scenarios in the event she knows more than we have been told and overall counsel IMO.

[Mamie]

Thats one of the problems I have with Crystal. She could stop this attorney IF she wanted to.

With Crystal it seems its always someone else's fault.
jmo

ETA:
Originally Posted by Pia
I don't blame Crystal as much as I blame this attorney. If this is truly just for concern over Jr then why go on Nancy Grace? Just keep it with DCF and LE and keep the rest quiet.

Crystal is out to make trouble for Ron. Plain and simple. She started out slinging mud and is still doing it. And now she's found a mouthpiece to do it for her. I agree about just keeping it with DCF instead of going on NG. But IMO this gal thinks she's going to make a name for herself so this is free advertisement for her. I hope she's got pictures of this "bloodied" abuse or this won't be quite the exposure that she's looking for. And if it's other people she's listening to, she'd better get their statement on tape and explain to them that they can go to jail for lyin' just like they can for stealin'. JMO

[cloe23]

I don't know, but Chad just had some form of a family court order lifted in November of 2008. IIRc I think it was similar to an ex-parte, but not sure. Hopefully someone else remembers.

Chad as in bio-moms friend or Chad as in the missing SO?

[Motomom]

And that's why your nic is "openminded"!

(And we've all seen cases where Nancy has been on the "wrong" side before (Duke, Ricci....). Not saying this is the case here, but she usually digs in on only one side.

But in this case, the side she should be taking is Haleigh's.

She was starting to get a lightbulb moment tonight when Kim told her that these allegations WERE reported to DCF and apparently, in the case of the "stick" marks on Jr.'s legs, they wrote that it was "natural" discipline.

Natural discipline? I've never heard of such a thing.

Of course, I never had to use weapons on my 3 year olds.

I have never heard of that either. She needs to prove her case then, that's all there is to it. If she can prove these allegations are true, she needs to do it IMO. Nobody, whether they believe Ron's side, or Crystals, would want Junior left in a home where there is physical abuse. I imagine that works both ways. I wouldn't want him with Crystal and Chad if I thought Chad was going to abuse this child, or Crystal.

It sounds like she will have a lot of witnesses. I hope their credibility holds up. How does that work in a case like this, are affidavits taken? Or do you have to go there and speak yourself? Also pictures, can they tell when they were taken if there is no timestamp?

[CC I See]

I have 3 and worked with all 3 pregnancies. I then went back to work part time, opposite shifs of my husband. We did that, because we had to, to live. :shrug:

ETA Crystal could have been supporting her children some how. IMO.... yes, but wasn't she in some near fatal car accident that left her in pain and so disabled that she could not work or is that another excuse not to make child support payments.

[playmateII]

If it really was an economic or health issue she could have went to the Judge and he would have suspended child support for awhile and then he would have had another hearing to adjust the new payments and schedule. so i'm not buying she didn't pay because she wasn't working or pregnant or any of that....sorry


You can't just go to a judge. It doesn't work that way. You have to file for a modification. The filing fee alone is over $200.00 not counting having an attorney draw up the paperwork. And you can't just type up request they have to done properly. My son filed for a modification last august here it is March and $7000 later and haven't even made it to a hearing yet. Delay delay delay.

I am not knocking you but it amazes me at how uneducated on the court system and DFS some posters are. Its not cut and dry. And it does matter who has the best attorney a lot.

And while I am on my soap box if Ron is an informant you can better believe the Judge knew that and they pretty much get what they want in court as they have just as much on the LE as they do on the people they are informing. It’s a sick system using informants and its not unheard of them committing heinous crimes because they think they can get away with anything.


JMO IMO

[?noanswer]

I was wondering if Crystal's lawyer had heard about Crystal filing a false report before NG brought it up. I think when NG asked about it, the lawyer told CS to explain. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? JMO

[Motomom]

Crystal is doing exactly the right thing.

She would be remiss if she just left Jr. in that home after Haleigh disappeared.

Crystal seeking an investigation into Ron and the children is ok with me, but she didn't have to take it to the media IMO. She has reported these allegations on national television, and has shown zero proof and I don't think that is the right thing to do. Jmo

[cloe23]

Yes! Look what pressure the Police Chief is under with all the media on this case. They will be dotting i's and crossing t's. Public scrutiny is always a hard thing to deal with. Mom, it's just human nature to be exceptionally careful when the tax payers money is being spent. CPS workers,with no Masters in SW, start at about 25,000$ per year (approx. now). Thanks for response.

Again sad but ture, JMO.
BTW having a masters raises you up to maybe 40,000 max.

[Mamie]

So using your logic, Misty was too lazy to get out of bed to protect Haleigh, yes?

jmo

It is assumed it was the middle of the night when Haleigh went missing----Misty was probably sleeping. Most doctor appointments are during day time hours. Big difference. JMO

[Motomom]

Correct, this is like sneaking in the back door imo. Shame on CS and KP for orchestrating this sham including the new purple house imo using this tragedy to get dollars for who only knows what. I think NG has gotten a wiff of a rat IMO, but I see a pack of them hungry descending upon the purple pad with others aiding them IMO. :crying:

Everyone needs a reminder about decency, Misty needs an attorney and Ron needs to grill her too IMO.:mad:

I agree with you. I hope we are right, because if we aren't, that means those children may have suffered with Ron. So people really shouldn't be hoping these allegations are proven IMO.

[?noanswer]

Crystal is out to make trouble for Ron. Plain and simple. She started out slinging mud and is still doing it. And now she's found a mouthpiece to do it for her. I agree about just keeping it with DCF instead of going on NG. But IMO this gal thinks she's going to make a name for herself so this is free advertisement for her. I hope she's got pictures of this "bloodied" abuse or this won't be quite the exposure that she's looking for. And if it's other people she's listening to, she'd better get their statement on tape and explain to them that they can go to jail for lyin' just like they can for stealin'. JMO

This lawyer seems to be way too angry herself. Surely, this case can't be making her this angry. JMO

[Deb7]

OK, will do. When its put out there, "because it happened on dads watch", it makes it sound like "he" did something wrong. And I don't see it that way.
And when you say, "if your child goes missing while asleep in your own house", that also infers that mom and dad, (or whoever is watching child) are responsible for their child being missing even tho everyone is asleep. It sounds as if someone should never sleep as long as there is a child in the house. Thats my take on it.
jmo


Nope, that's not how I meant it and btw I would like to apologize for being a bit harsh in that last post. I am very angry and I think I will not post anymore tonight. No reason to take it out on you, that's for sure. Sorry. :sad:

[Motomom]

Snipped

Yes, you could see her putting it all together, because there is proof Crystal was concerned and did call DCF, or whatever its called, there was alarm, but it was ignored, and look what happened. Crystal has a super strong case. I hope Ron Cummings does not do anything rash.

jmo

How was it ignored? I hear DCF down in FL isn't that good? Is that true, anyone know?

I am familiar with a few Dyfs cases were handled here, but I suppose it ranges from state to state.

[?noanswer]

Crystal seeking an investigation into Ron and the children is ok with me, but she didn't have to take it to the media IMO. She has reported these allegations on national television, and has shown zero proof and I don't think that is the right thing to do. Jmo

That is so true. And now she has a lawyer prodding her on. I would think a lawyer would want to try the case in a court of law. By saying these things on TV, it just gives the other side time to get their ducks in a row. Something not quite right with this lawyer. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I was wondering if Crystal's lawyer had heard about Crystal filing a false report before NG brought it up. I think when NG asked about it, the lawyer told CS to explain. Anyone else have any thoughts on this? JMO

At first Kim didn't want Crystal saying anything, then a break and I SUSPECT some WHISPERING....and she gave her blessing IMO but added it should not be the focus.

I disagree when a mom is on the record alleging sometimes she just didn't feel like getting out of bed to take the children to the doctors and she has ADMITTEDLY filed a FALSE REPORT for what Nancy termed a FELONY IIRC. :crying:

Credibility for anyone in this case?

[Motomom]

Why does Ron answer for Misty?

It makes it appear he was involved and is covering up.

Or doesn't trust her not to make yet another inconsistent statement. Anyone know if they have taken her back in for questioning since they were married?

[~jomomma~]

.... yes, but wasn't she in some near fatal car accident that left her in pain and so disabled that she could not work or is that another excuse not to make child support payments.

there are plenty of people who live with chronic pain that still force themselves out of their bed everyday to get into work to make a living.

another one playing the system, imo

[cloe23]

Correct, this is like sneaking in the back door imo. Shame on CS and KP for orchestrating this sham including the new purple house imo using this tragedy to get dollars for who only knows what. I think NG has gotten a wiff of a rat IMO, but I see a pack of them hungry descending upon the purple pad with others aiding them IMO. :crying:

Everyone needs a reminder about decency, Misty needs an attorney and Ron needs to grill her too IMO.:mad:

If I ran the country, the monies would be locked up until the case is solved. Sort of like not allowing a perp to profit off their crime.
SP comes to mind.

[Pruddennce]

if misty and ron and the other people questioned in this case had exact details as to everything that occurred, and exact explanations as to why they acted the way they did, and repeated the same things over and over again, that, to me, would be hard to believe. what i'm trying to say is i don't find inconsistencies in what they said at all unusual, given the circumstances. it can't be denied that it was and still is an extremely stressful situation and one to which i, for one, am fortunate not to have been placed in. i understand le's frustration that no other information is apparently forthcoming from these people, but maybe that is because they really can't add to what they have already told them.

none of these people are rhodes scholars, able to express themselves concisely - so what? everyone is different. i wonder if a rhodes scholar, should they wake up and find their child gone, would still be able to communicate as clearly and coherently and eloquently as they would be able to under normal situations.

and as far as the "i don't know" responses, perhaps that is BECAUSE they really don't know the answers to the questions posed to them.

i don't know who did this, i really don't. until more facts come to light, i do not want to rush to judgment and make up my mind that he did it or she did it or they did it. i just want this poor child found and found alive. then, i don't care if everyone tears themselves apart fighting for custody, child support, etc. besides, i honestly don't know what those issues have to do with finding this child.

(ducking and running now)

jmoo and all that stuff

awww dont duck....great post :)

RC and his statement to LE when they arrived: he communicated quite clearly: he said this in reference to Misty: dumb B girlfriend.....

its in the police report.....

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

an expression of endearment for the the one who the children just love so much and she loves them?

Misty's first statement to LE, both of the children are in her bed, and then the story changes.

that is not a small inconsistency. IMO

someone is hiding something....... very important....

best regards,
Pru

[CANDYKISSES]

That is so true. And now she has a lawyer prodding her on. Something not quite right with this lawyer. JMO

Oh and it was stated the haleighbug website was purchased....then today there is a person's last name the same as her attorney as webmaster IIRC, it's looking more and more like an opportunistic approach to the tragedy known as "MISSING CHILD ~ HALEIGH CUMMINGS" and I don't think anyone needs to be worrying about making donations for clothing for Haleigh's brother or half-sister as used in the initial setting for that site IMOO. There are families who love these children and that is our obligation as parents. The purple building is really nothing more than a housing answer right now and you can come support or drop a tip while you're there IMOO. :sad:

[CC I See]

I dont' know what happened to Haleigh.

All I truly know and believe, in my opinion, is that Ron and Misty are lying.

WHY they are lying - I don't know.

However, to address your question, Fallen Angel, some things seem like possibilties in my opinion; However, they have devastating outcomes, so I'll be relieved and very happy it's not true.

* I think it's possible that Ron may have hit Haleigh and she died accidently from the blow

* I think it's possible that Haleigh may have ingested something, a substance in the home that killed her.

* I think it is possible that Ron and/or Misty may have sedated Haleigh for some reason and she didn't wake up.

:sad:


MOO
.....or it was Misty and some unknown person in the house that did one of the listed above, to Haleigh.

Ron doesn't know anything because he was at work.:unsure:

[playmateII]

Ask Misty.

moo


IMO she wasn't there only got home before ron. thats what I think. JMO

[CC I See]

That was using YOUR logic, not mine. I don't think Misty was too lazy to get out of bed, rather I believe she was in a drunken/drug stoopor and couldn't wake up. It's just my opinion though......... or she wasn't even there that night.

[CANDYKISSES]

when did Ronald get the ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME put on his truck? I heard it's been there from day one..........

I'm not certain, but I think he might have had a different nickname/saying and it was inappropriate given his current situation with HALEIGH CUMMINGS MISSING and unaccounted for IMO. :sad:

I saw a white truck parked behind him in the beginning with a moniker on it in the same area. Then last week I saw this one. JMOP

[CC I See]

wow i could have sworn i heard her on the 911 call......you know what I meant.

[playmateII]

wow i could have sworn i heard her on the 911 call..
yep when ron told her to call. IMO she just got home. Maybe she was the one that moved the van.

[CANDYKISSES]

.....or it was Misty and some unknown person in the house that did one of the listed above, to Haleigh.

Ron doesn't know anything because he was at work.:unsure:

Did Junior tell Geraldo Misty was there after Crystal asked him that night? I thought I remembered that little nugget too.

[aproudmom]

I see the focus going off of Haleigh and on crystal and RC custody fight this really makes me mad. I would hope they are looking into these pictures but my gosh they need to keep the media on Haleigh not them. JMO

[cloe23]

Ron says dumb B girlfriend?
I never came he to make a buddy.
I quit.

[Motomom]

Yes! Look what pressure the Police Chief is under with all the media on this case. They will be dotting i's and crossing t's. Public scrutiny is always a hard thing to deal with. Mom, it's just human nature to be exceptionally careful when the tax payers money is being spent. CPS workers,with no Masters in SW, start at about 25,000$ per year (approx. now). Thanks for response.

I know the the dyfs cases I am aware of from here, were handled very thoroughly in some cases, a bit more lenient in others, but still thorough. That's only a few though. I have a friend who use to get a random drug test every few months, her mother would call in on her. I know some cases slip through the cracks... it happens.

[Mamie]

This lawyer seems to be way too angry herself. Surely, this case can't be making her this angry. JMO


It could be if she's inexperienced, IMO----but that's only a guess and certainly wouldn't be the only reason. I agree if she's this excited now, what's she going to be when they get mid trial----if it gets that far. JMO

[teresa]

Yes! Look what pressure the Police Chief is under with all the media on this case. They will be dotting i's and crossing t's. Public scrutiny is always a hard thing to deal with. Mom, it's just human nature to be exceptionally careful when the tax payers money is being spent. CPS workers,with no Masters in SW, start at about 25,000$ per year (approx. now). Thanks for response.

JustUs...thank you for the fine work you did. My neighbor works for children's services here. She's a single mom and has three kids.

[Motomom]

.... yes, but wasn't she in some near fatal car accident that left her in pain and so disabled that she could not work or is that another excuse not to make child support payments.

NO I believe that did happen. I saw pictures of the care.. nasty looking accident. Thank God her children weren't in it. Did you ever see the pictures. I'm not sure about the extent of her injuries though, and whether or not she had that accident before she got pregnant or after her daughter was born.

[caphill]

how about calling the police to her house?????

come on now, none of them are clean in this and marc klass is right imo.

If you are talking about the conversation of the police being called on the NG show earlier, my understanding was that was when Crystal and Ron were living together. The call was disturbance because of the yelling. It was not mentioned but one would assume if there had been domestic violence there would be a report by LE.

Crystal claims he was violent with her but to my knowledge there is no report or record of domestic violence. With all her accusations, I'm surprised she would not have called the LE if she was getting beat up. Also during the custody hearing she never brought up domestic violence.

[aproudmom]

Just incase anyone has not seen this new video of misty talking about that night. sorry if I am behind

http://www.artharris.com/category/art-harris-reports/

[Mamie]

I see the focus going off of Haleigh and on crystal and RC custody fight this really makes me mad. I would hope they are looking into these pictures but my gosh they need to keep the media on Haleigh not them. JMO


That's pretty much what RC just said on NG just now.

[FoxySly]

God forbid if they find out that Ron is somehow involved with Haleigh's disappearance...heads will roll.

I hope heads will roll for who ever is the culprit of precious HaLeigh's disappearance.

Sly

[Mamie]

But she's not inexperienced, in fact she is very well educated and has a whole list of accomplishments.

My take on the NG show wasn't that she was mad or angry, more she was TICKED at NG treating her and Crystal like a couple of felons who just walked in off the streets. The same level of respect given to Ronald and Teresa should have been used with Crystal and Kim, imo.


Are you using another nic on here right now? Because if you're not, I was responding to someone else. But to answer the inexperienced part......you can have a whole lot of accomplishments and have the best education, but it does not mean you are experienced. That's what I meant. JMO

[CC I See]

But she's not inexperienced, in fact she is very well educated and has a whole list of accomplishments.

My take on the NG show wasn't that she was mad or angry, more she was TICKED at NG treating her and Crystal like a couple of felons who just walked in off the streets. The same level of respect given to Ronald and Teresa should have been used with Crystal and Kim, imo..... I don't think it is possible to get an unbiased Nancy Grace discussing ANY case.

[teresa]

when did Ronald get the ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME put on his truck? I heard it's been there from day one..........

I don't know when but that's not all that's on his truck. It's the only thing some want to mention though.

[teresa]

awww dont duck....great post :)

RC and his statement to LE when they arrived: he communicated quite clearly: he said this in reference to Misty: dumb B girlfriend.....

its in the police report.....

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

an expression of endearment for the the one who the children just love so much and she loves them?

Misty's first statement to LE, both of the children are in her bed, and then the story changes.

that is not a small inconsistency. IMO

someone is hiding something....... very important....

best regards,
Pru

I totally agree he probably said that because he said it on the 911 call. But I don't necessarily believe all else in that report...it says the missing child is a male and that the mom, Crystal is 19 years old. See, LE is also inconsistent.

[?noanswer]

Oh and it was stated the haleighbug website was purchased....then today there is a person's last name the same as her attorney as webmaster IIRC, it's looking more and more like an opportunistic approach to the tragedy known as "MISSING CHILD ~ HALEIGH CUMMINGS" and I don't think anyone needs to be worrying about making donations for clothing for Haleigh's brother or half-sister as used in the initial setting for that site IMOO. There are families who love these children and that is our obligation as parents. The purple building is really nothing more than a housing answer right now and you can come support or drop a tip while you're there IMOO. :sad:

The webwite was in shambles a few minutes ago "Under Construction". I guess they had to pay a nominal fee to register the name, but the site as of yesterday was hosted free by "godaddy.com". The only thing not working yesterday was the link to pictures. I keep wondering if they took the narritive down because there was negative posting about it. They had about 2 sentences describing Haleigh. One said she had pierced ears. Nothing about her birthmark. JMO

[?noanswer]

I'm not certain, but I think he might have had a different nickname/saying and it was inappropriate given his current situation with HALEIGH CUMMINGS MISSING and unaccounted for IMO. :sad:

I saw a white truck parked behind him in the beginning with a moniker on it in the same area. Then last week I saw this one. JMOP

http://www.offroaders.com/directory/monster_trucks/GraveDigger.htm

Someone mentioned they saw a white truck with "gravedigger" on it. Grave digger is a monster truck that does shows. JMO

[Leather&Lace]

Crystal S has managed to successfully move the focus of the media away from finding her little girl to hashing out her custody rights.

Where the H*** is Haleigh and why isn't the central focus on finding out what happened to that child? I don't get it!
A CHILD IS MISSING.

MOO

[FrankieBones1]

Lazy. Just like to lazy to get out of bed to take her child to the doctors.
jmo
I saw her true colours tonight on Nancy's show.

[?noanswer]

yep when ron told her to call. IMO she just got home. Maybe she was the one that moved the van.

I think LE has checked the van for finger prints and other evidence such as dirt in tires, leaves, etc. What I wonder is why they released it. They still have KC's car in impound. Maybe they did not find any evidence. JMO

[teresa]

Whether Misty was there or not makes no difference to me, if Misty would fess up where she was or what she was doing without the inconsistencies, then I'm certain le would be closer to finding Haleigh. The key (as many people have stated time and time again) to this case is Misty.

I want to know why we haven't heard anything more from le, it seemed like they were on a roll last week, now this week, nothing. It's up to them to keep it close to the vest, but I would think at this point all public and community help would be needed. I know, le knows best though. :smile:

jmo

I don't know 51. When have they (LE) ever been on a roll? I'm losing confidence, though I'd love to know if that Cobra guy is right and it is almost solved.

[tinkerbell]

Just incase anyone has not seen this new video of misty talking about that night. sorry if I am behind

http://www.artharris.com/category/art-harris-reports/

Did you hear Misty state ... I put a blanket on Haleigh and then I made up my bed and then I went to bed. :confused:

"Making up a bed" to me indicates putting on sheets, etc..., not just putting on a blanket.

[FrankieBones1]

Lets say Misty forgot to lock the door, for what ever reason that she opened it. And lets say Misty was asleep and didn't hear anything when Haleigh was taken. Even if she has said she got up to pee or whatever. If that is all she really knows, how would it help LE to find Haleigh???
It would help lots. It would finally take the focus off of Misty and eliminate her as a suspect and get on with the investigation.

[FoxySly]

Crystal is out to make trouble for Ron. Plain and simple. She started out slinging mud and is still doing it. And now she's found a mouthpiece to do it for her. I agree about just keeping it with DCF instead of going on NG. But IMO this gal thinks she's going to make a name for herself so this is free advertisement for her. I hope she's got pictures of this "bloodied" abuse or this won't be quite the exposure that she's looking for. And if it's other people she's listening to, she'd better get their statement on tape and explain to them that they can go to jail for lyin' just like they can for stealin'. JMO

Yup, crystal & her mom started slinging mud right from the start & now going stronger then ever when IMO they ought to be concentrating on WHERE IS HALEIGH. IMO crystal gets more pathetic every time she's on TV.

Sly

~

[Mamie]

Whew, thanks for clearing that up although I think your statement is making a huge contradiction. How can you have a long list of accomplishments (obviously those accomplishments are gained by trying cases) and the best education and yet you can still deem it as lack of experience? Doesn't make sense but in that you so beautifully pointed out, you were not addressing me, so it doesn't really matter. Thanks! :smile:

jmo


Okay, let me try it this way (ha, ha, sometimes I can be as clear as mud and it is the end of my day) so anyhow........let's say a person took two years of Spanish in high school. I didn't personally do this but I've heard everyone I know who has say that just because you take the two years of Spanish and get good grades in it doesn't mean you can go out and carry on a conversation with anyone. I guess what I'm saying is book learnin' is one thing----street smarts is somethin' else. And in the case of this attorney, when I responded to the other poster, I was meaning that maybe this gal had not had that much up close and personal experience in child abuse cases----just an opinion. It had nothing to do with her qualifications as an attorney or her list of credits. Hope this helps. LOL

[teresa]

If you are talking about the conversation of the police being called on the NG show earlier, my understanding was that was when Crystal and Ron were living together. The call was disturbance because of the yelling. It was not mentioned but one would assume if there had been domestic violence there would be a report by LE.

Crystal claims he was violent with her but to my knowledge there is no report or record of domestic violence. With all her accusations, I'm surprised she would not have called the LE if she was getting beat up. Also during the custody hearing she never brought up domestic violence.

That bothers me, too. She didn't even live in the same town then but she's so scared of him she left her kids for him to beat up on?

[Leather&Lace]

To hear Crystal, it sounds like everything wrong in her life is Ronald Cummings fault. Another grown adult who cannot assume responsibility for their own mistakes. Blame someone else.

If the children were abused (IF) then the child(ren) should be removed. BUT, from what I have read about Crystal, it does not sound to me like she would be a fit parent either.:angry:

MOO

[?noanswer]

Okay, let me try it this way (ha, ha, sometimes I can be as clear as mud and it is the end of my day) so anyhow........let's say a person took two years of Spanish in high school. I didn't personally do this but I've heard everyone I know who has say that just because you take the two years of Spanish and get good grades in it doesn't mean you can go out and carry on a conversation with anyone. I guess what I'm saying is book learnin' is one thing----street smarts is somethin' else. And in the case of this attorney, when I responded to the other poster, I was meaning that maybe this gal had not had that much up close and personal experience in child abuse cases----just an opinion. It had nothing to do with her qualifications as an attorney or her list of credits. Hope this helps. LOL


http://www.lawyers.com/Florida/Fort-...800671-a.html? (http://www.lawyers.com/Florida/Fort-Lauderdale/Kim-L.-Picazio-800671-a.html?)


Web page with info about atty. Shows 3 reported cases. Don't know what that means. JMO

[CC I See]

To hear Crystal, it sounds like everything wrong in her life is Ronald Cummings fault. Another grown adult who cannot assume responsibility for their own mistakes. Blame someone else.

If the children were abused (IF) then the child(ren) should be removed. BUT, from what I have read about Crystal, it does not sound to me like she would be a fit parent either.:angry:

MOO....and that is why this whole family situation is so sad, the children are caught in the middle. Can you imagine what Ron Jr. hears while he is watching TV with either family?

[Mamie]

I usually go by gut instincts until proven wrong. I see Crystal as a blamer, a user, and a taker. But thats just me. Oh, I forgot, a whiner.
jmo


That about sums her up. JMO

[teresa]

TY that's nice of you to say. Sadly, I just could not stay with our State Agency. The system became too political and I could never live with a child who was hurt due to a system that sometimes left me liable due to lack of funding and oversight. I do not regret my 10 years though. I believe I helped some families BUT I wish I could tell you some tales-Amazing what I saw. Haleigh's story gives me flashbacks to some of my own cases. It is gut-wrenching to see a 6 month old infant dead in his parents' bed with blood coming from his mouth and the coroner, a veternarian!, puts SIDS on death certificate....ugh!

Oh gosh, JustUs, I'm so sorry you witnessed that. My neighbor doesn't tell any horror stories like that, thank goodness. I hope it's because she hasn't seen any.

In your professional opinion, do you think secondhand accusations will be accepted in this case? They weren't allowed in my family's case unless the witnesses saw what happened first hand and will testify to it.

[?noanswer]

I usually go by gut instincts until proven wrong. I see Crystal as a blamer, a user, and a taker. But thats just me. Oh, I forgot, a whiner.
jmo

I didn't see any tears tonight, although she kept dabbing at her eyes with a tissue. JMO

[Mamie]

http://www.lawyers.com/Florida/Fort-...800671-a.html? (http://www.lawyers.com/Florida/Fort-Lauderdale/Kim-L.-Picazio-800671-a.html?)


Web page with info about atty. Shows 3 reported cases. Don't know what that means. JMO

Thanks! I'm going to go read.

[CC I See]

Gotcha Mamie. Thanks for explaining, I do appreciate it and I agree with your analysis. But in this case I do think Kim Picazio is well educated and very experienced and I'm happy to know that she is helping Crystal. Let's not forget, Crystal has not filed for custody as of yet, only with dcs as of now.

moo.... I do wonder why Nancy Grace took such a disliking to Ms. Picazio. Was it something she said or was it unrelated to this case?

[Motomom]

The webwite was in shambles a few minutes ago "Under Construction". I guess they had to pay a nominal fee to register the name, but the site as of yesterday was hosted free by "godaddy.com". The only thing not working yesterday was the link to pictures. I keep wondering if they took the narritive down because there was negative posting about it. They had about 2 sentences describing Haleigh. One said she had pierced ears. Nothing about her birthmark. JMO

Do you happen to have a cache of the old one?

[?noanswer]

Do you happen to have a cache of the old one?

No, sorry. But I do remember they had it "copyrighted"!!!! JMO

[FrankieBones1]

I didn't see any tears tonight, although she kept dabbing at her eyes with a tissue. JMO
Her lawyer practically slapped it out of her hand after a few commercial breaks. If looks could kill.

[CC I See]

Frankie, thats my point. How can LE really tell if she honestly doesn't know?? Even if she adds a word here or there, suppose its the truth. What then???I trust LE in this case, they know more than they are telling and I believe that they have narrowed their focus to include Misty.

[teresa]

I know Teresa and agree with you. By le being on a "roll" I meant that at least they were revealing *some* information, giving us a little to go on. Now this week, nada.

My hopes are with your hopes, maybe Cobra will find Haleigh and bring her home. Someone has to.

moo

Maybe Cobra's statements will prompt them to say something. I hope so unless it hurts their case.

[?noanswer]

Her lawyer practically slapped it out of her hand after a few commercial breaks. If looks could kill.

Do you think the lawyer was caught off guard when NG brought up the fact that CS had filed a false report? JMO

[Motomom]

To hear Crystal, it sounds like everything wrong in her life is Ronald Cummings fault. Another grown adult who cannot assume responsibility for their own mistakes. Blame someone else.

If the children were abused (IF) then the child(ren) should be removed. BUT, from what I have read about Crystal, it does not sound to me like she would be a fit parent either.:angry:

MOO

I agree Leather. I love how the lawyer says that he started feeding her drugs as a very young girl. GMAB.. We all have choices in life, one way or another. She made her choices too.

[FrankieBones1]

.... I do wonder why Nancy Grace took such a disliking to Ms. Picazio. Was it something she said or was it unrelated to this case?

I would think that Nancy's hinky meter was sounding an alarm the first few minutes of the interview. I know my meter was off the charts.

[?noanswer]

Wait just a minute, consistently? I never saw Ron on his wedding day, pleading for Haleigh. Was he pleading for Haleigh when he got his tats? Nope, in fact when the camera was in his face the reporter had to ask him to make a plea. Was he pleading when he came out of the courthouse and breezed right past the cameras? There have been plenty of opportunities for Ronald to plea and he let them pass by. Last night on NG he never shed a tear as well, just like Crystal tonight. I imagine they are both cried out.

I don't mind taking shots at either side, but let's be fair about them. Ronald is the one who got engaged to the teenager who was ultimately responsible for his child the night Haleigh disappeared. He can't explain Misty's inconsistencies, yet he can marry her. He drove 3 hours to a tat shop to get tats put on, which took hours, then got back in the car and drove 3 hours back home. He took a day to make it all about him, his wedding day. He has "Only God can judge me" on his truck, instead of a "Find Haleigh" of some sorts. Let's just try and not be so black and white with both parents. Ron is no walking poster board either, imo.

jmo

"Only God can Judge me" is on the back of his truck. He has something about Haleigh on the front windsheild. I don't remember the exact wording. JMO

[Ice Cycle]

***This case keeps getting harder to watch with such inappropriate timing on everyone's part. Quite frankly they act like they know she gone and have moved on and forget it. Yet accuse everyone else of taking the focus off of finding her. Personally I think his marriage was worse but I think even her issues could of waited. I realize it is possible that she is thinking now is her only chance against him and I kind see that if what she has said is true but how can any parent be mentally able to justify either their actions until after their daughter if found.
I also question LE actions and believe they have more than what they are saying just probably nothing concrete. I find it odd that they have not yet officially cleared any of them as if they did pass the LDT and if at least his and Crystal's alibi check out why haven't they?
I just wonder how much this has to do with the publicity the CA case received and maybe LE is trying to avoid the scrutiny by just keeping quite.

[FrankieBones1]

I agree Leather. I love how the lawyer says that he started feeding her drugs as a very young girl. GMAB.. We all have choices in life, one way or another. She made her choices too.A very young girl = three years old to seven years old.

I doubt Ron even knew her then.

[Motomom]

(above red mine)

SNIPPED

I'll stop there.

Yes, some women have health issues during pregnancy that they do not normally suffer from when not pregnant. Or some women have an exisitng condition that can be exacerbated during pregnancy.

Apparently, Motomom, you were blessed and were able to work full time outside the home during your pregnancy/pregnancies. Not everyone has that same experience.


MOO


You should have stopped before there. Do you know me? Do you know if I had complications? Do you know if I was blessed? Is this thread about me? NO to all of the above.

Tell me what pregnancy complications did Crystal have?

[teresa]

Gotcha Mamie. Thanks for explaining, I do appreciate it and I agree with your analysis. But in this case I do think Kim Picazio is well educated and very experienced and I'm happy to know that she is helping Crystal. Let's not forget, Crystal has not filed for custody as of yet, only with dcs as of now.

moo

They filed something in court yesterday. I linked to the case late last night. Filed by the attorney. I didn't save my link but it seems like it was nearly midnight. It's on that Putnam Co public records site if you have a link for it.

I don't know what it is and why they said even tonight that they are dealing strictly with DCF or whatever they call it in Fl when they have actually filed something.

[?noanswer]

I don't know what it was CC, but I do know I have it on my dvr and some of the looks NG shot Kim were unreal. Then, the way she spoke to Kim was even more disturbing. The tone of voice, the accusations, the sneers. I feel like Crystal and Kim were completely taken off guard and never expected to be put up on trial like that. The focus came off Haleigh because Nancy was asking the questions and the questions did indeed pertain to custody issues/parental issues. If anyone is mad that the focus isn't on Haleigh, they should be looking at NG for her reasons why she decided to head the interview in that direction.

jmo

Crystal and her attorney started it in that direction. NG just kept it going. JMO

[Mamie]

I don't know what it was CC, but I do know I have it on my dvr and some of the looks NG shot Kim were unreal. Then, the way she spoke to Kim was even more disturbing. The tone of voice, the accusations, the sneers. I feel like Crystal and Kim were completely taken off guard and never expected to be put up on trial like that. The focus came off Haleigh because Nancy was asking the questions and the questions did indeed pertain to custody issues/parental issues. If anyone is mad that the focus isn't on Haleigh, they should be looking at NG for her reasons why she decided to head the interview in that direction.

jmo


You think Kim P. and Crystal were there to discuss Haleigh??? Don't think so.

[Leather&Lace]

Good question, L&L. The only person who has consistently stared into the camera for the past 30-some-odd days and pleaded "I need people to focus on finding my daughter" is Ron.

Everyone else has spent their time blaming, pointing fingers, and bringing up past grievances that don't in any way help find Haleigh.

It's become a zoo, and Haleigh has been forgotten in all of this. I think our only hope is that LE remains focused.

I am really shocked an attorney would put a custody "show & tell" on TV while no one knows what happened to little Haleigh.

The only real hope is that LE has a very good grip on this case and will be able to provide some answers soon. In the meantime, I guess Crystal's focus will be on running down Ronald and collecting donations.
Pathetic.
JMO

[CC I See]

I don't know what it was CC, but I do know I have it on my dvr and some of the looks NG shot Kim were unreal. Then, the way she spoke to Kim was even more disturbing. The tone of voice, the accusations, the sneers. I feel like Crystal and Kim were completely taken off guard and never expected to be put up on trial like that. The focus came off Haleigh because Nancy was asking the questions and the questions did indeed pertain to custody issues/parental issues. If anyone is mad that the focus isn't on Haleigh, they should be looking at NG for her reasons why she decided to head the interview in that direction.

jmoNancy Grace has done something like this before but for the life of me, I can't remember which case it was.... anyone?

[FrankieBones1]

snipped for space.

What were Crystals problems?? Do you know??I have to side with Motomom on this one. I'll be that Crystal had a normal pregnancy but was just lazy.

[BobbysGirl]

Good question, L&L. The only person who has consistently stared into the camera for the past 30-some-odd days and pleaded "I need people to focus on finding my daughter" is Ron.

Everyone else has spent their time blaming, pointing fingers, and bringing up past grievances that don't in any way help find Haleigh.

It's become a zoo, and Haleigh has been forgotten in all of this. I think our only hope is that LE remains focused.


Will just post a reply or two. Read and watched NG tonight.

I am disgusted w/Crystal and her lawyer.

I try to reserve judgement but after tonite, I don't see a tear for Haleigh. Nor a plea for her return. Nada nothing. IMO this has gone too far.

Haleigh needs to be the #1 focus of finding her and/or what happened to her.

I am getting dissappointed. Again!
Like I did in Anthony case.

What is wrong w/these people.

I wish LE has info. But nothing.

Cold case? Or do they have something. I pray we find out soon.

God, please bring Haleigh home.

BG

All above post IMO

[Mayasmimi]

.... I do wonder why Nancy Grace took such a disliking to Ms. Picazio. Was it something she said or was it unrelated to this case?

I don't know, but it seems Nancy has been on "Team Ron" since a week or so after Haleigh went missing.

I don't understand Nancy's attitude tonight. IMO....Crystal's attorney should never, ever let that happen again.

Between Geraldo and Nancy.....I am disgusted.

[forensicfan]

I don't know what it was CC, but I do know I have it on my dvr and some of the looks NG shot Kim were unreal. Then, the way she spoke to Kim was even more disturbing. The tone of voice, the accusations, the sneers. I feel like Crystal and Kim were completely taken off guard and never expected to be put up on trial like that. The focus came off Haleigh because Nancy was asking the questions and the questions did indeed pertain to custody issues/parental issues. If anyone is mad that the focus isn't on Haleigh, they should be looking at NG for her reasons why she decided to head the interview in that direction.

jmo

kind of like the way Geraldo went about his interview with Ron and Crystal's accusations? Sounds like NG was doing the same to Crystal as was done to Ron by Geraldo.

Personally, I think neither parent is better or worse.

[Motomom]

snipped for space.

What were Crystals problems?? Do you know??

Furthermore doneit, because I actually went back to read the list, cause I didnt' the first time.. lots of things on that list do not hamper one's ability to work...but you know..:wink:

[FrankieBones1]

You think Kim P. and Crystal were there to discuss Haleigh??? Don't think so.

I agree, Mamie. They were there to diss Ron. Plain and simple. It was so obvious. It was obvious to Nancy, too.

[?noanswer]

It's an 8x10 missing persons flyer taped on the inside of the windshield. Who can see that? Unless you are standing right at the front of the truck, not likely anyone would.

moo

There is also writing across the front of his windshield in very big letters. JMO

[Mamie]

Crystal and her attorney started it in that direction. NG just kept it going. JMO

I read that link you provided-----thanks very much. She does most of her stuff in Matrimonial Law, which covers lots of things, under that blanket which falls child custody cases. But I don't think child abuse cases fall in that category. That's a whole other show, I think. JMO

[FrankieBones1]

There is also writing across the front of his windshield in very big letters. JMOIt's hard to miss!

[teresa]

Her lawyer practically slapped it out of her hand after a few commercial breaks. If looks could kill.

And once, Crystal said "can I say something (to Nancy)" and the lawyer said "no".

Lots of people criticized Ron for bringing his mom the other night but they don't care that Crystal has an attorney speak for her.

I wish they'd put Ron & Crystal in a room with a non-family mediator and work something out until Haleigh comes home. (Maybe an armed mediator in a padded room.)

[?noanswer]

I have to side with Motomom on this one. I'll be that Crystal had a normal pregnancy but was just lazy.

Didn't someone say she was too lazy to take Haleigh to the Dr. I don't think lazy conditions improve with pregnancy! JMO

[playnice]

I am really shocked an attorney would put a custody "show & tell" on TV while no one knows what happened to little Haleigh.

The only real hope is that LE has a very good grip on this case and will be able to provide some answers soon. In the meantime, I guess Crystal's focus will be on running down Ronald and collecting donations.
Pathetic.
JMO

A's made alot of money off pics and videos. I wonder if someone didnt get the idea to hide out a little girl start slinging sh** around to try to get custody and make alot of money ?
It bothered me that Crystal has filed false reports .

[forensicfan]

and once, crystal said "can i say something (to nancy)" and the lawyer said "no".

Lots of people criticized ron for bringing his mom the other night but they don't care that crystal has an attorney speak for her.

i wish they'd put ron & crystal in a room with a non-family mediator and work something out until haleigh comes home. (maybe an armed mediator in a padded room.)


absolutely!

[CC I See]

I agree, Mamie. They were there to diss Ron. Plain and simple. It was so obvious. It was obvious to Nancy, too. Nancy has control of what happens on her show, so why did she steer the conversation in that direction instead of on the search for Haleigh. Did she want to make Crystal look bad, becasue if she did, then it worked.

[Mayasmimi]

Nancy Grace has done something like this before but for the life of me, I can't remember which case it was.... anyone?

Caylee Anthony case.....one night a few months ago she was so nasty to her own producer. I remember it clearly. She's become a tyrant.

As a Southerner....you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar. Nancy should surely know that....being from Macon.

[FrankieBones1]

And once, Crystal said "can I say something (to Nancy)" and the lawyer said "no".

Lots of people criticized Ron for bringing his mom the other night but they don't care that Crystal has an attorney speak for her.

I wish they'd put Ron & Crystal in a room with a non-family mediator and work something out until Haleigh comes home. (Maybe an armed mediator in a padded room.)
I do not think that Crystal will keep that lawyer for long. You could cut their tension with a knife.

[?noanswer]

Nancy has control of what happens on her show, so why did she steer the conversation in that direction instead of on the search for Haleigh. Did she want to make Crystal look bad, becasue if she did, then it worked.

A good attorney would have been able to take control of the interview and not let it go in that directions. NG had her for breakfast. JMO

[forensicfan]

There is also writing across the front of his windshield in very big letters. JMO

Didn't you know even if was the size of a billboard, it wouldn't matter for some for "team Crystal"??? :wink:

[playnice]

I do not think that Crystal will keep that lawyer for long. You could cut their tension with a knife.

I dont think her lawyer knew about the false report being filed that almost got another person a felony charge.

[FrankieBones1]

Yes, but didn't Ronald and company know about GR coming out with the accusations prior to GR arriving? If memory serves me correct, this was the case. I'm pretty sure Crystal and Kim didn't know this was coming from NG. Coming from GR? Sure, but NG?

If you have it on DVR, watch it again, NG drills Crystal like she is on the stand and whether you are for Ronald, for Crystal or undecided, what NG did tonight was nothing short of disgusting journalism, if you can even call it that. imo.

jmoI'm not taking any sides in this case but I do like to observe and opine.

Nancy had every right to conduct the interview in that manner. She knows when she smells a rat.

And anyone going on that show that hasn't got a clue as to what's in store must be living under a rock with a TV.

[forensicfan]

A good attorney would have been able to take control of the interview and not let it go in that directions. NG had her for breakfast. JMO

Considering NG is a former prosecutor, you are so right about that. The defense lawyers she has on from time to time seem to know how to handle hard and unexpected questioning. See it all the time when they discuss CA.

[ZooCrew2009]

I dont think her lawyer knew about the false report being filed that almost got another person a felony charge.


Sorry hopelessly behind. Is there somewhere I can read about the false felony charges?

TIA

[?noanswer]

I dont think her lawyer knew about the false report being filed that almost got another person a felony charge.

I got the impression the lawyer was blindsided by that report. Also I keep wondering why all those people in Satsuma were busy documenting all that "abuse". Did they know this case was going to hit the big time and wanted to be prepared when it did. JMO

[teresa]

You think Kim P. and Crystal were there to discuss Haleigh??? Don't think so.

I'm curious why the "he caught Misty with drug dealers" was left out tonight. I wonder if someone threatened a lawsuit IF it isn't true. Or maybe CNN said they couldn't say it.

[MrLucky917B]

The webwite was in shambles a few minutes ago "Under Construction". I guess they had to pay a nominal fee to register the name, but the site as of yesterday was hosted free by "godaddy.com". The only thing not working yesterday was the link to pictures. I keep wondering if they took the narritive down because there was negative posting about it. They had about 2 sentences describing Haleigh. One said she had pierced ears. Nothing about her birthmark. JMO

I don't think the site was finished yet when the link was posted, whoever is making it probably put up the under construction sign to stop all the negative chatter...

JMO

[FoxySly]

I dont think her lawyer knew about the false report being filed that almost got another person a felony charge.

I got a feeling that there will be more surprises too.

Sly

~

[FrankieBones1]

I dont think her lawyer knew about the false report being filed that almost got another person a felony charge.

She'll probably drop her client like a hot potato within days.

[playnice]

Sorry hopelessly behind. Is there somewhere I can read about the false felony charges?

TIA

It was NG tonight. I cant wait for the transcripts.

I guess she reported her car being stole and someone almost got charged with a felony but Crystal admitted to Le she lied.

I thought Crystal also said that her timing all messed up on their relationship at the beginning. I could have misunderstood.

[?noanswer]

I don't think the site was finished yet when the link was posted, whoever is making it probably put up the under construction sign to stop all the negative chatter...

JMO


It was in good shape yesterday. The only thing not working was the links to the pictures. There were links to several pages and they all worked. They also managed to have it "copyrighted". If I was working/designing the site, I would have left up what I had and then "constructed" the new pages and uploaded them. JMO

[forensicfan]

Yes, but didn't Ronald and company know about GR coming out with the accusations prior to GR arriving? If memory serves me correct, this was the case. I'm pretty sure Crystal and Kim didn't know this was coming from NG. Coming from GR? Sure, but NG?

If you have it on DVR, watch it again, NG drills Crystal like she is on the stand and whether you are for Ronald, for Crystal or undecided, what NG did tonight was nothing short of disgusting journalism, if you can even call it that. imo.

jmo

Crystal has been interviewed by NG from the very beginning. Her lawyer was on two days ago and got the same kind of questioning. For her (the lawyer) not to expect something like this is hard for me to believe.

I do not believe Ron knew geraldo was going to come at him like that at all and I believe he showed pretty good restraint when he did.

Like I said, I don't think either parent is better than the other. I would need more FACTUAL information (like the photos, interviews, OFFICIAL documents) for me to believe that Crystal got railroaded when the kids were taken away from her. It was said on NG that she did not challenge the decision made by the judge in 2005. If that is true, that says a lot to me. Allegations that come out 3 years later are hard for me to believe. I'm sorry. I just don't believe her. Not yet anyway.

[teresa]

Nope. Out of the gates Nancy started up with the custody. Not the direction she took with Ronald last night, AT ALL. I can wait for the transcripts because I am watching it right now and rewinding it, she starts it up from the get go.

jmo

Because RC was there to talk about Haleigh. They weren't. Did you see them direct the conversation that way once? She asked Ron about the custody and he said it's ridiculous and the focus needs to be on Haleigh. Did they say that tonight?

[daisywva]

He said "dumb b* girlfriend" on the 911 call as well as during the at-house 911 visit?

Thats odd cause according to Misty (in the interview today with that Harris guy) she said that Ron was not calling her names when he was talking to or while she was talking to the 911 operator. She said that he was calling the operator names, not her.. MOO. I tried to go back to this interview , but couldnt find the link again.. If anyone has the link go and listen and see if thats what she says. Misty has her own way of telling things in my opinion. Talk about clearing things up, she just muddys the water more. This is my opinion.

[playnice]

crystal lied tonight too. She didnt know about the abuse until now but when NG calls her on it she said she reported several times to DCF.

[Leather&Lace]

A's made alot of money off pics and videos. I wonder if someone didnt get the idea to hide out a little girl start slinging sh** around to try to get custody and make alot of money ?
It bothered me that Crystal has filed false reports .

I could not agree more!

Crystal did not look like a brow-beaten, scared, abused woman to me by any stretch of the imagination. I could not help but notice her snickering at something NG was saying. Snickering to the point her shoulders were shaking. For a minute I thought she was going to break out in an all out hoot. How inappropriate at a time when her child is missing and most likely dead.

MOO

[ZooCrew2009]

It was NG tonight. I cant wait for the transcripts.

I guess she reported her car being stole and someone almost got charged with a felony but Crystal admitted to Le she lied.

I thought Crystal also said that her timing all messed up on their relationship at the beginning. I could have misunderstood.


Thank you! This has gone so far away from finding Haleigh, this precious little girl deserves so much more. :crying:


MOO

[?noanswer]

She'll probably drop her client like a hot potato within days.

The lawyer rode into town on her white horse and all the good people of Satsuma were ready and waiting with all their pictures and stories of the "abuse". I think instead of depending on people with an agenda, she might be better served by checking the reports that have been posted on this board. JMO

[Leather&Lace]

I'm not taking any sides in this case but I do like to observe and opine.

Nancy had every right to conduct the interview in that manner. She knows when she smells a rat.

And anyone going on that show that hasn't got a clue as to what's in store must be living under a rock with a TV.


AMEN!

Just a little taste of what an attorney representing RC in court will do as well. It would not be pretty so Crystal and her attorney need to make sure they have their ducks lined up really straight!
JMO

[playnice]

That thread title got me at first glance, my heart skipped a beat, I thought it said "Haleigh Home Alive":crying:

Sam I wish.:sad: Maybe this will end up being a money scam and she will come home alive.

[BobbysGirl]

I don't know, but it seems Nancy has been on "Team Ron" since a week or so after Haleigh went missing.

I don't understand Nancy's attitude tonight. IMO....Crystal's attorney should never, ever let that happen again.

Between Geraldo and Nancy.....I am disgusted.

HI YA! Yep I whole hearted agree.

IMO Nanc always had her favs. She hit them hard tonight.

Hugs

BG

[forensicfan]

The lawyer rode into town on her white horse and all the good people of Satsuma were ready and waiting with all their pictures and stories of the "abuse". I think instead of depending on people with an agenda, she might be better served by checking the reports that have been posted on this board. JMO

I agree. My former mother in law is very proud of herself and boasts about how she was able to "get revenge" on her ex-husband by claiming abuse and keeping him away from his kids (this was in the '70's). It does happen.

[Leather&Lace]

I got the impression the lawyer was blindsided by that report. Also I keep wondering why all those people in Satsuma were busy documenting all that "abuse". Did they know this case was going to hit the big time and wanted to be prepared when it did. JMO

If all those people knew about physical abuse and did nothing then they should all be locked up. People like that make me sick!
Makes me wonder how credible all these people really are???
MOO

[Pat]

Didn't someone say she was too lazy to take Haleigh to the Dr. I don't think lazy conditions improve with pregnancy! JMO

Crystal told the mediator in the custody hearing she didn't take Haleigh to many of her Dr. appt'ments simply because she didn't want to get out of bed. The word 'lazy' has been used by posters.

Up until recently, I gave Crystal the benefit of the doubt about her motives for allegations she's made about Ron. I thought Marie was manipulating her, and that this new lawyer had stepped in to take Marie's place. I've changed my mind.

Crystal admits she called Children's Services numerous times to report Ron. The children remained with Ron. These people are more than familiar with both Ron and Crystal and monitor Ron because of the complaints.

If Crystal really wanted those children, she'd have them. Period. Ask any divorced father how hard it really is to get custody of their children if the mother fights for them.

Enough of this nonsense, please. Haleigh is missing and Crystal and her lawyer have moved on and are now introducing the country to the real victim...Crystal. It is a disgrace.

Someone please tell this pair to take it behind closed doors with DCS, take up the rest of the crap with LE and get the focus back on HALEIGH.

[forensicfan]

Gawd, I hope so. I am not sure but I thought someone on here said that Crystal was asking for donations for something, does anyone have any info on this?

Don't get me wrong here but I would hope that someone wouldn't do something this sick minded to scam money.

Every day that goes by has me concerned that she is no longer alive. I hope I am wrong!

[playnice]

I hope Mark Klass got thru to Crystal that air time should be about finding Haleigh and this other stuff needs to be handled privately thru the proper channels.

[BobbysGirl]

I agree. My former mother in law is very proud of herself and boasts about how she was able to "get revenge" on her ex-husband by claiming abuse and keeping him away from his kids (this was in the '70's). It does happen.

And, so agree, I know a couple ex-friends did the same/ And in past 10 yrs/

BG

[teresa]

The intake worker asks enough questions to ascertain whether reports are seemingly in "good faith". False reporting is a felony. Documentation is very helpful if reporters have that or photographs. Most agencies are afraid not to take reports and have worker make at least one home visit. Custody issues are the biggest bug-a-boo for CPS. The person seeking custody in a contested case many times thinks they can get CPS to do their dirty work and muddle-up the process. It often backfires on them. Judges are wise to this manipulation and will react adversely to it. IMO< Crystal needs to be careful!

That was my experience too. Not my case, but two different custody cases in my family. The Judge seemed to separate the BS from truth most of the time and not always to my satisfaction!

[playnice]

If all those people knew about physical abuse and did nothing then they should all be locked up. People like that make me sick!
Makes me wonder how credible all these people really are???
MOO

How many of these people are going to go to court and testify to it and admit they did nothing?

[Leather&Lace]

In the lawyer's first presser she said she only came on board to help Crystal with the press, and that it quickly became something else. Crystal's working overtime trying to get her revenge on Ron now where she has failed, instead of focusing on her MISSING daughter. Hopefully LE sees through all of this.


Crystal Sheffield is out for revenge. If Crystal gave a hoot about her children she would have taken action long before Haleigh went missing. How convenient for Crystal to just learn of the abuse! :scared:

As far as LE goes, I hope the entire force was watching Nancy Grace tonight. What an eye opener.

MOO

[teresa]

The intake worker asks enough questions to ascertain whether reports are seemingly in "good faith". False reporting is a felony. Documentation is very helpful if reporters have that or photographs. Most agencies are afraid not to take reports and have worker make at least one home visit. Custody issues are the biggest bug-a-boo for CPS. The person seeking custody in a contested case many times thinks they can get CPS to do their dirty work and muddle-up the process. It often backfires on them. Judges are wise to this manipulation and will react adversely to it. IMO< Crystal needs to be careful!

I meant to add...with all this publicity and with a missing child, do you think a judge would even make a final decision without knowing that either party, for sure, wasn't responsible for what happened?

[Mamie]

Nope. Out of the gates Nancy started up with the custody. Not the direction she took with Ronald last night, AT ALL. I can wait for the transcripts because I am watching it right now and rewinding it, she starts it up from the get go.

jmo


Umm---not true. The first question NG asked was of Crystal and she asked her where SHE was the night Haleigh disappeared. Then she asked her how far away she lives from Haleigh. Then she asked her why she lived that far away, etc., etc. NG asked her atleast five or six questions that Crystal answered (I think) and then it went to commercial break. The only question before break was N asked if there was any physical abuse of the children before Crystal left the home and she said no. Then there were a couple of more questions---then to break. So out of the gate, Nancy did not ask about the abuse. But it doesn't matter anyway because the guests disclose up front what they are there to discuss before they appear. That's how the shows have enough time to get other reporters there to tell what they know, for a rebuttal, if needed. Then after the break, N asked Kim what the nature of the charges are that Crystal is levelling against RC. If the attorney and Crystal were there for any other reason, all the attorney had to say was something like, "Maybe we could table this for another time, we need to talk about Haleigh and get the focus back on her." But, in your dvr and replaying, did you hear her say that? In my dvr and replaying of the show I sure never heard her say that. JMO

[forensicfan]

If all those people knew about physical abuse and did nothing then they should all be locked up. People like that make me sick!
Makes me wonder how credible all these people really are???
MOO

One note about that, I have called DCFS twice on someone I know about suspected abuse (I say suspected because I have letters in the girl's handwriting detailing the beatings her boyfriend has given her and there is a 9 year boy in the home. She has not written anything in regards to the boy being abused but I am VERY scared and concerned for him!). I am worried that he too is being abused. For some reason DCFS said they did not want the letters unless it went to court. I still have them and will have them should they ever go to pull the child from the home.

Thus far, to my knowledge, the boy is still in the home. Sometimes, it takes more than a phone call. I think they DID investigate though because she seems to be careful about what she writes to me now whereas she wasn't before. I'd begged her to get out of there time and time again so I am pretty sure she knows it was me that called.

In this case, however, I think Crystal had the opportunity when the first custody case had been brought about to claim abuse and did not. She did not challenge the judges decision either (or so it was said on NG, doesn't mean that's true but that's what was said).

[MrLucky917B]

New thread started

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12907951#post12907951

[MrLucky917B]

where is she asking for donations at? do you have a link?

The site was taken down for now.

[playnice]

No different than Ron accepting donations all along and in fact set up a bank account to collect donations. Difference is, Crystal has a website making it easier for people to donate, big deal. Her money isn't paying for weddings and tattoos and souvenirs in New York.

imo

It might make the payments on the wedding dress she has on lay a way.

[Leather&Lace]

you have to consider, Crystal may have been scared to come out about it...dont get me wrong, I would put myself out before I would let my children be abused but maybe she thought if she said anything before Haleigh disappeared that something may happen to her..Crystal I mean. Not that that is an excuse.

Crystal does not look like a scared to death female of Ronald Cummings to me at all. She totally looked tonight like a "take the truth and twist it anyway she can" to make it look like Ronald Cummings is a monster.
The man that has put food on the table, a roof over their head and clothes on their back for the past 3 years.
If Crystal was seeing her children consistently every 2 weeks then she would have noticed physical abuse. It sure would not take people :rolleyes:to tell her. Also, I would think that Haleigh would talk and tell if she were afraid of her daddy.
:sneaky:
Maybe Crystal was just too busy living like a single person with absolutely no responsibility to notice anything.

There are simply no indicators for me to believe that Crystal Sheffield ever put her children first.

MOO

[Leather&Lace]

How many of these people are going to go to court and testify to it and admit they did nothing?

They are most likely afraid to go anywhere near a court house if you ask me!

[FoxySly]

It might make the payments on the wedding dress she has on lay a way.

And maybe pay for her 3rd baby's daddy/step-brother's divorce & his child support for his other Children.

Sly

~

[ZooCrew2009]

Posted this on the new thread

Nancy Grace transcripts


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html

[forensicfan]

I dont agree with what you did, I understand that you were worried about the child, but you had no reason to think the child was being abused and in the process of calling DCFS on her, you probably made her life worse. Im sure her husband/boyfriend knew that it came from her, and she probably received one hell of a beating for that.

On the contrary I don't think what I did was wrong. I do think I have reason to believe it. I just said she hasn't written anything saying it specifically. I'm not going to post her letters on here but she says the kids is terrified of his father and won't let her leave the room without him following her. He hits himself. He says he's ugly and a bad boy. He wets himself. Please do tell me how this child should stay in that home??? There is more but I won't put it on here.

She also asked me if I could find out for her if she could take the kid across state lines with her without being arrested. She said she wanted to get away from him.

I also told DFCS when they asked me if she was in danger of any consequences when they left and I said YES!

[Leather&Lace]

One note about that, I have called DCFS twice on someone I know about suspected abuse (I say suspected because I have letters in the girl's handwriting detailing the beatings her boyfriend has given her and there is a 9 year boy in the home. She has not written anything in regards to the boy being abused but I am VERY scared and concerned for him!). I am worried that he too is being abused. For some reason DCFS said they did not want the letters unless it went to court. I still have them and will have them should they ever go to pull the child from the home.

Thus far, to my knowledge, the boy is still in the home. Sometimes, it takes more than a phone call. I think they DID investigate though because she seems to be careful about what she writes to me now whereas she wasn't before. I'd begged her to get out of there time and time again so I am pretty sure she knows it was me that called.

In this case, however, I think Crystal had the opportunity when the first custody case had been brought about to claim abuse and did not. She did not challenge the judges decision either (or so it was said on NG, doesn't mean that's true but that's what was said).

Children are every one's business. There is no way I could sit idle if I thought a child (stranger or relative) was being abused. It only takes one time for a temper to change abuse to murder.

Women who insist on staying in an abusive relationship need to only do so if they have no children! Having said that, I do think that all abused women need to know they have at least one person they can trust and talk to if necessary.

Tragic. I hope your friend/acquaintance gets wise and removes herself and especially her child from that environment.

[Mamie]

Crystal's lawyer did indeed try to stop ng's railroading.


NG: Uh Ms Piacazio as to the um earlier incident, I have the police incident in my hands and she states to police, "crystal then says she had in fact lied about the entire incident" alright, let's hear your side...Ms Picazio?

KP: Well and I think that Crystal can tell it best because she was there, but I'd like to preface and say I I can't believe we are talking about this when we have a child missing.

NG: Well I can't believe that these allegations are just coming up now, the timing is very unusual, but if you don't want to talk about it, I understand it.

Word for word I typed that out from the show, it was NG who continued drilling the dirt, not Kim or Crystal, imo.

jmo

The above (you wrote) was said just as you state it and I'm thinking the attorney took her cue from RC because he just said the same thing before NG went back to the attorney, who didn't let her client answer the question after stating that Crystal could tell it best. LOL. I sure wish they'd use Haleigh's name. It does make a difference, IMO.

[teresa]

I think it's screwy that crystal wants custody when she is begging on a website for donations to support all of her children

MOO

Heh. Don't forget Crystal! She can't work now because her child is missing. (That was mean of me but that website made me more than a little mad.)

[forensicfan]

Children are every one's business. There is no way I could sit idle if I thought a child (stranger or relative) was being abused. It only takes one time for a temper to change abuse to murder.

Women who insist on staying in an abusive relationship need to only do so if they have no children! Having said that, I do think that all abused women need to know they have at least one person they can trust and talk to if necessary.

Tragic. I hope your friend/acquaintance gets wise and removes herself and especially her child from that environment.

I wish she would too! The child is not hers. They are not married. Bio mom is nowhere to be found. That's why this is so complicated. She would have otherwise left but won't leave the boy there. It's a mess!

[teresa]

2 points I need to make. IMO.

Crystal Had to have known he was capable of abuse, because if what she said is true about Ron keeping her from getting her lisence (being controlling) I am sure he abused her, which would indicate to me that He would more then likely be abusive to the children.

Also, it isnt likely that he was abusive to the children while they were a couple as the children were babies at the time.

she said she was physically abused (daily I think) but the kids weren't. So she left them to him.

[Leather&Lace]

Okay, IMO...I am not going to jugde he for asking for money, I see how she may need the help considering she is spending all her time in satsuma trying to open Haleigh Bug, come on people please think about this before you are quick to sling mud. I understand she didnt work and owes child support, but to be totally honest..thats none of yours nor my business.

She needs to be able to get this foundation for Haleigh going, you wouldnt care if it was a stranger or a charity doing it so why is it such a big deal that the mother of a missing child is doing it, its her kid.

she isnt lying and saying the money is for the reward or giving you BS, she is openly telling you she needs money to support herself and her child. if you dont like it then dont donate.

ummm, might help Crystal in her endeavors if she would focus on her missing child. Actually say the name Haleigh. More people might take pity on her situation and donate if Crystal herself didn't put her business out on TV. Just saying.. she started it, she opened the closet door IMO.

[MrLucky917B]

New Thread open

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12907951#post12907951

[Leather&Lace]

I wish she would too! The child is not hers. They are not married. Bio mom is nowhere to be found. That's why this is so complicated. She would have otherwise left but won't leave the boy there. It's a mess!

Gotcha! Bless her heart and she is a hero in my book! She is most likely only staying to see to the protection of the child.

:crying:Makes me so sad. Sorry for OT.

[teresa]

Okay, IMO...I am not going to jugde he for asking for money, I see how she may need the help considering she is spending all her time in satsuma trying to open Haleigh Bug, come on people please think about this before you are quick to sling mud. I understand she didnt work and owes child support, but to be totally honest..thats none of yours nor my business.

She needs to be able to get this foundation for Haleigh going, you wouldnt care if it was a stranger or a charity doing it so why is it such a big deal that the mother of a missing child is doing it, its her kid.

she isnt lying and saying the money is for the reward or giving you BS, she is openly telling you she needs money to support herself and her child. if you dont like it then dont donate.

Sam, she asked for money to "feed and clothe Junior and her daughter Chloe". Jr lives with RC and has food and clothes and Chloe has a father named Chad.

[Pat]

did you know that Corporal punishment is still legal in Florida

Our Florida county school district sends home a form at the beginning of each school year where parents can give the school permission to use corporal punishment if they deem it appropriate.

[teresa]

NO- not if he's worth a chit-imo

I agree. I wonder what will happen to Jr? Poor little boy.

[teresa]

here is the spanking law in florida:

Florida

"Harm" to a child occurs when the parent or other person responsible for the child's welfare inflicts or allows to be inflicted upon the child physical, mental, or emotional injury. The following factors must be considered in evaluating any injury: prior injuries; location; multiplicity; and type of trauma. Such injury include, but are not limited to willful acts that produce the following specific injuries: sprains, dislocations, or cartilage damage; bone or skull fractures; brain or spinal cord damage; intracranial hemorrhage or injury to other internal organs; asphyxiation, suffocation, or drowning; injury resulting from the use of a deadly weapon; burns or scalding; cuts, lacerations, punctures, or bites; permanent or temporary disfigurement; or permanent or temporary loss or impairment of a body part or function. "Willful" refers to the intent to perform an action, not to achieve a particular result or an intent to cause an injury.
§ 415.503. [Civil Code]

So short of killing them is ok? I think the law is similar here. I know belts are ok. We need to toughen up those laws some, huh?

[odyssey]

was watching nancy just now, missed it earlier .. and "lol" the nerve of nancy to bring up something to reflect the character of a client while the lawyer is trying to destroy someone else. /sarcasm

jmodo

[kkmiausa]

And the grandma seen her to didnt she?Haleigh went missing under Ron CUmmings care. He left her with a 17 year old drug user.
Now Jr. is also still in their custody. Perfect time for Crystal to seek custory to protect him. Now it is proven Haleigh was not safe with Ron. Did AC man see Haleigh alive? All unanswered.

[kkmiausa]

Haleigh went missing under Ron CUmmings care. He left her with a 17 year old drug user.
Now Jr. is also still in their custody. Perfect time for Crystal to seek custory to protect him. Now it is proven Haleigh was not safe with Ron. Did AC man see Haleigh alive? All unanswered.

Is anyone else sick of Teresa Nieves sniffles and fake crying?

[kkmiausa]

Crystal's lawyer did indeed try to stop ng's railroading.


NG: Uh Ms Piacazio as to the um earlier incident, I have the police incident in my hands and she states to police, "crystal then says she had in fact lied about the entire incident" alright, let's hear your side...Ms Picazio?


KP: Well and I think that Crystal can tell it best because she was there, but I'd like to preface and say I I can't believe we are talking about this when we have a child missing.

NG: Well I can't believe that these allegations are just coming up now, the timing is very unusual, but if you don't want to talk about it, I understand it.

Word for word I typed that out from the show, it was NG who continued drilling the dirt, not Kim or Crystal, imo.

jmo

It should come up now that Haleigh was not safe in Ron's care!! Of course she should try to get custory of JR who is under control of the last 2 people who know what happened to Haleigh. JR is not safe with Misty.