Tuesday 3/17 Hope For Haleigh

[beachpatty]

Good Morning & Happy Saint Patrick's Day

I am still catching up and am thinking from what I have read so far, NG did not do much good, as far as anything new.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:

Beachpatty

[Texas48]

Good Morning & Happy Saint Patrick's Day

I am still catching up and am thinking from what I have read so far, NG did not do much good, as far as anything new.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:

BeachpattyGood Morning to you Patty. Thanks as usual for the thread. I always have to catch up but seems I am always still behind..lol..The Nancy Grace Show and her EXCLUSIVE with Ron was...well..IMO...now I don't have the words...:thumbdown:thank goodness for the icons. Not enough coffee as of yet to say what I really think.:wub:for ALL

[sofiesmom]

Well, I think Nancy knew Ron was going to be a man of few words. He was so ho hum, but I don't fault him for that. I think he just doesn't know much, or doesn't have the words to express what he does know. I don't think he's stupid, but he's definately not very articulate...not a good interview. Nancy knew this, but wanted him for his EXCLUSIVEness. (I was really happy to see Herman(sp) on the panel, but nancy didn't use him at all. I hope he's in permanent remission)

[MoonFlwr]

Morning Beachie...:wub: and Texas :) oops...and sofiesmom...:) and everyone else who is around!

Brewing some fresh coffee for all, as we 'speak'!

Thanks for the new thread, Beachie.

[beachpatty]

Good Morning to you Patty. Thanks as usual for the thread. I always have to catch up but seems I am always still behind..lol..The Nancy Grace Show and her EXCLUSIVE with Ron was...well..IMO...now I don't have the words...:thumbdown:thank goodness for the icons. Not enough coffee as of yet to say what I really think.:wub:for ALL


O poopies........

I forgot the coffee, thanx for the reminder, it's brewing now!

When are they all coming back to Florida? Anybody know?


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[SwineFeld]

Morning all!

I believe they are already back in Florida. That's where Ron did the interview from last night. And also where they got that interview of Misty.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Well, I think Nancy knew Ron was going to be a man of few words. He was so ho hum, but I don't fault him for that. I think he just doesn't know much, or doesn't have the words to express what he does know. I don't think he's stupid, but he's definately not very articulate...not a good interview. Nancy knew this, but wanted him for his EXCLUSIVEness. (I was really happy to see Herman(sp) on the panel, but nancy didn't use him at all. I hope he's in permanent remission)

I stated in a post yesterday that I wasn't sure what people wanted Ron to say. He wasn't there when Haleigh was kidnapped. The heartbreak on their face was almost unbearable to watch. TN's face was red the entire time and I felt she was trying very hard to hold it together. Of course others saw things differently such as all of it being an act and crying on cue. I have the deepest sympathy for what they are all going through.

[crymeariver2006]

Morning all!

I believe they are already back in Florida. That's where Ron did the interview from last night. And also where they got that interview of Misty.

Okay, I'm just getting here (water main break)....but

What interview of Misty?

If I need to go wading (ugh, bad choice of words) thru last night's thread, that's fine but if you can help me out, that'd be finer!

:biggrin:

[SwineFeld]

Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

Okay, I'm just getting here (water main break)....but

What interview of Misty?

If I need to go wading (ugh, bad choice of words) thru last night's thread, that's fine but if you can help me out, that'd be finer!

:biggrin:

[crymeariver2006]

Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

Bless you my child!

I'm not even halfway thru and she's said two things that, IMO, are red flags.....

She put Haleigh's blanket on her, then "I made up my bed".....made up her bed? From what? (This is where I suspect bedwetting comes into play.) Where was Jr. then?

And then she says, smirking, that the children loved her more than their own mother and now it's changed to they called her "Stepmom" instead of "Mommy". (FWIW, Judges don't usually like children referring to a step parent as "Mom" or "Dad" because it creates confusion - unless the bio parent is deceased or unknown.) IMO, she's been told to now say "Stepmom".

As always, JMO

Going back now to finish. Thank you again for the link!

[SwineFeld]

I guess because she had just got done washing her blanket and Haleighs. So, she put Haleighs on her and then hers on her bed. Jr. may have still been out in the LR asleep from watching his movie. After she made her bed up she prob went out to bring him in.

As for the Crystal comments, I think she's just trying to get her own jabs in. Like Crystal has done. Immature for sure.

Bless you my child!

I'm not even halfway thru and she's said two things that, IMO, are red flags.....

She put Haleigh's blanket on her, then "I made up my bed".....made up her bed? From what? (This is where I suspect bedwetting comes into play.) Where was Jr. then?

And then she says, smirking, that the children loved her more than their own mother and now it's changed to they called her "Stepmom" instead of "Mommy". (FWIW, Judges don't usually like children referring to a step parent as "Mom" or "Dad" because it creates confusion - unless the bio parent is deceased or unknown.) IMO, she's been told to now say "Stepmom".

As always, JMO

Going back now to finish. Thank you again for the link!

[SwineFeld]

No. I do it too. Some things they say get to me. As well as some of the looks, smirks, etc. Then other times I feel bad too. Especially when looking at pics of Ron and Haleigh. They look so happy and she looks really well taken care of.

As for Misty, I think if anything she is indirectly responsible. Meaning, at most she may be guilty of not being home when she should have been, let someone in that shouldn't have been, etc. Something along those lines. And that's why she doesn't appear 100% truthful. However, I do not think she hurt her or did anything to her herself. JMO

Am I the only one that feels this way?

One minute I am so angry with Ron and his mother Theresa for holding up for Misty and other things, like a wedding for example. Then the next time I see them, I feel sorry for them. Why do I do this? I know no one can answer that...just ventin.


When I says guilty of something...I havn't figured out if Misty could have left the home that night or hurt Haleigh herself

Then if you listen to Ron or Theresa - then you think Misty is innocent of everthing. Do you think they are both that blinded by Misty?..or is it possible Misty really is innocent. ( I can believe I just used Misty and innocent in the same sentence).

This has got to be the most puzzling cases I have ever seen.

moo

[Pruddennce]

Am I the only one that feels this way?

One minute I am so angry with Ron and his mother Theresa for holding up for Misty and other things, like a wedding for example. Then the next time I see them, I feel sorry for them. Why do I do this? I know no one can answer that...just ventin.


When I says guilty of something...I havn't figured out if Misty could have left the home that night or hurt Haleigh herself

Then if you listen to Ron or Theresa - then you think Misty is innocent of everthing. Do you think they are both that blinded by Misty?..or is it possible Misty really is innocent. ( I can believe I just used Misty and innocent in the same sentence).

This has got to be the most puzzling cases I have ever seen.

moo

horse, I understand your lament. the problem I am having viewing these individuals is their subsequent reaction to this tragedy: GETTING MARRIED. IMO this is NOT NORMAL. not in the least. if the message they were attempting to deliver to the public is one of solidarity, IMO, it backfired. *Haleigh wanted this and she will be so happy when she comes home*.......<-----paraphrasing the familys' response to this marital event.....

low IQ and/or inappropriate lifestyle coupled with preparing for something.....? ....why would getting married even cross Ron's mind?

something stinks.......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[crymeariver2006]

No. I do it too. Some things they say get to me. As well as some of the looks, smirks, etc. Then other times I feel bad too. Especially when looking at pics of Ron and Haleigh. They look so happy and she looks really well taken care of.

As for Misty, I think if anything she is indirectly responsible. Meaning, at most she may be guilty of not being home when she should have been, let someone in that shouldn't have been, etc. Something along those lines. And that's why she doesn't appear 100% truthful. However, I do not think she hurt her or did anything to her herself. JMO

OR, when she got thru cleaning and taking out the trash, she herself left the back door open and the light on, got Jr. to bed and then (admittedly) exhausted she just laid down and went to sleep.

(Which is what I have semi-believed all along).

Otherwise, this unknown intruder HAS to know about the storm door slamming shut and has to be propped, HAS to know about the interior door that will close on its own without something in front of it, and HAS to know where the kitchen light switch is (which wasn't in the hallway).

JMO, but if she was taken for revenge though....it seems to me that if Ron and Misty had been 100% truthful with investigators over any fights, disagreements, enemies, etc., Haleigh would have been found by now and a perp named. But that's JMO.

[crymeariver2006]

Good morning, all. I thought the NG show was great in alot of respects. She asked some questions that we have been asking here over and over. I wondered about all the nose sniffing RC was doing and his almost blank yet somehow aggressive stare, I wondered if he had had a toot of coke before the interview, and I think his mother, bless her heart, is afraid of him for some reason. JMO, don't slam me, please, that was just my take on the interview. Also, Ron is not looking like he's melting away anymore, he seems to be regaining some strength.

I didn't see the interview so can't comment on it, but it's been my impression for some time that TN "cleaned up" after Ron - a lot. Both her and GGM Sykes.

JMO, nothing more, nothing less.

[CANDYKISSES]

horse, I understand your lament. the problem I am having viewing these individuals is their subsequent reaction to this tragedy: GETTING MARRIED. IMO this is NOT NORMAL. not in the least. if the message they were attempting to deliver to the public is one of solidarity, IMO, it backfired. *Haleigh wanted this and she will be so happy when she comes home*.......<-----paraphrasing the familys' response to this marital event.....

low IQ and/or inappropriate lifestyle coupled with preparing for something.....? ....why would getting married even cross Ron's mind?

something stinks.......

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Just maybe to get the focus of this investigation off the couple themselves and move back to looking for HALEIGH CUMMINGS. JMO tho. If you search you will find much fodder about Ron and Misty. So now they are married and the public outcry should stop concerning their relationship given Misty's parents knew she was living there IMO. :thumbdown:

[spageddy]

Morning all.
I agree with most of you that NG's interview with Ron was not very enlightening. I was hoping she would ask some tough questions, but for the life of me, I couldn't think what those tough questions might be. :confused:
So you- my panel of experts: what would you ask of Ron or Misty if you could? They just both seem like dead ends at this point. Maybe someone else should be asked the tough questions. But who? I was interesed in one caller who pointed out that 3 people had been in the home and had the opportunity to unlock the deadbolt & then return later. The AC man;the cousin; and Ron's Gran'ma. Are we sure there was nobody else? just thinking...
It's just frustrating. The same questions, the same people...SOMEBODY knows something they arent saying. jmo, moo

[CANDYKISSES]

Haleigh's Family Lauches Charitable Foundation

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/17/news/news01.txt


NOT EXACTLY


This is from your article....

"We are looking to develop it into a charity to help other mothers with missing children," Regan said. :sad:

Title of article...

Haleigh's family relocates
JMO

[Former Juror]

I like Nancy, but she got on my nerves last night. One moment, she was espousing that Ron's marriage to an underage girl was fodder for another day, and the next she was asking Ron and her panel about it.

The biggest thing that came out of last night's interview, IMO, is Teresa's answer that the cousin WAS there that evening and Ron's comments in the background that he wasn't. So, which is it?? Could the cousin have been watching the kids while Misty was out???

[CANDYKISSES]

Wow, 3,800 leads and nothing positive to go on. Hard to believe.

Remember from another FORMER EVENT PLANNER....

Those leads can be dreams, fabrications such as calling in the EX for a little LE action, and psychic predictions that lack credibility IMO. :bored:

Hopefully someone actually has information that will help find Haleigh and bring her home period. JMO:unsure:

[spageddy]

I didn't see the interview so can't comment on it, but it's been my impression for some time that TN "cleaned up" after Ron - a lot. Both her and GGM Sykes.

JMO, nothing more, nothing less.

I agree, and it is just a feeling, an impression. Nothing more-nothing less. But Hmmmmm...

[crymeariver2006]

I like Nancy, but she got on my nerves last night. One moment, she was espousing that Ron's marriage to an underage girl was fodder for another day, and the next she was asking Ron and her panel about it.

The biggest thing that came out of last night's interview, IMO, is Teresa's answer that the cousin WAS there that evening and Ron's comments in the background that he wasn't. So, which is it?? Could the cousin have been watching the kids while Misty was out???

Joe the Cousin?

[crymeariver2006]

*Groan*... Misty changes her story once again.

In her interview with Art Harris, she tells him, she noticed the kitchen light on, the back door open, and runs back to the bedroom to call Ron. Nothing about running to the bedroom to check on Haleigh. So was she calling Ron just to let him know the back door was open? Oh puhlees, Misty, get your story straight. Did you call Mom first or Ron? Did you know when your went to get your cellphone that Haleigh was already gone?

moo

The phone records are going to prove interesting. I'm sure LE has them from that night. Coupled with their more stern questions of Misty and their announcement about the "inconsistencies".....

We may just be getting somewhere!

JMO

[Former Juror]

Joe the Cousin?

I never heard which cousin on NG last night.

[kitty1182]

I'm still not sold on Misty..

[crymeariver2006]

The big thing from the interview on NG last night was Ron and his Mom having a differing opinion on if the cousin was there or not! How can that be after 5 weeks???? You would think they would have matching stories via fact, or via talking about having one story. I can't believe that.


Maybe TN meant Misty's brother? Or maybe it was the cousin there all along, but Misty said "brother" 'cause she thinks she would get in trouble if the cousin was there when Ron wasn't?

Who knows?

[jamma6]

I find myself going back and forth on who I believe. I think time will tell.Atleast I hope so. This crime needs to be solved.I would like to see NG & GR go at it. They are taking different sides it seems.

[spageddy]

The big thing from the interview on NG last night was Ron and his Mom having a differing opinion on if the cousin was there or not! How can that be after 5 weeks???? You would think they would have matching stories via fact, or via talking about having one story. I can't believe that.

Right! And which cousin is it they are talking about? I do think that whoever was in that home that evening knows what happened. I also wonder if there were more than the 2 or 3 we know about. The AC man, The Counsin and the GGMa.
Mark Klaas always emphasizes that in a missing child case, the parents should submit to a polygraph - eliminating themselves so that LE can find other suspects. Well, they DID that. except for the elimination part. I mean Ron & Misty took polys but it hasn't seemed to lead police anywhere but back to the home.
Who else was there that night?

[RainyNiteNTx]

I was watching pretty closely, and I noticed that there was a delay from the time Nancy spoke to the time Ron and Teresa heard it and answered (I had my tv on pretty loud so I could try and transcribe last night on here which I learned is not my calling in life, anyway...) so when Nancy first started asking the question about who was there, Teresa was answering yes to the first person, did not hear the second person, and then said her mother was there. I do not think Teresa heard the cousin named, but Ron did and said he was not there.

GRACE: To Teresa Neves, Haleigh`s grandmother. Miss Neves, are you aware of anyone else in the home that evening? I don`t mean when they all go to bed, I mean earlier that evening.

NEVES: I heard there was a repairman there. My mother was actually over.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there. The cousin was there who police have investigated.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

Transcript of NG last night.

Teresa was saying yes ma'am at the same time that NG was saying the cousin, so Teresa could not have actually heard that one.

JMO

Right - I saw the same thing. I saw nothing sinister in how TN answered any of the questions or the way Ron answered the questions.

[spageddy]

The questions on my mind today are:
Which cousin?(or brother or uncle-or all of the above)
Does the AC man have any connection to misty, Ron or crystal- no matter how remote? and Who called him to fix the AC?
How often did Great G'ma visit/do laundry for Ronald?

[IlliniFan]

I was watching pretty closely, and I noticed that there was a delay from the time Nancy spoke to the time Ron and Teresa heard it and answered (I had my tv on pretty loud so I could try and transcribe last night on here which I learned is not my calling in life, anyway...) so when Nancy first started asking the question about who was there, Teresa was answering yes to the first person, did not hear the second person, and then said her mother was there. I do not think Teresa heard the cousin named, but Ron did and said he was not there.

GRACE: To Teresa Neves, Haleigh`s grandmother. Miss Neves, are you aware of anyone else in the home that evening? I don`t mean when they all go to bed, I mean earlier that evening.

NEVES: I heard there was a repairman there. My mother was actually over.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there. The cousin was there who police have investigated.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

Transcript of NG last night.

Teresa was saying yes ma'am at the same time that NG was saying the cousin, so Teresa could not have actually heard that one.

JMO

I agree that there was a delay of sorts. There seemed to be some talking over Nancy and some of Nancy talking over them. (which is not so unusual). I think what you stated is probably true. Or Teresa expected Nancy to mention Misty's brother. So to me it was just a mix up that is not all that unusual. Also, given the fact that Teresa couldn't stop crying, I'm just not surprised that she might not have heard or understood correctly.

imo what you stated makes sense to me...

[tisamystery]

Maybe somebody here who's followed this closely can help me.

This story is Misty got up to go to the bathroom, found the back door propped, noticed Haliegh missing, called Ron. Is that right?

I wish somebody would walk Misty through her every move from the moment she got up. Because I haven't heard about her actually making it to the bathroom. Did she go before she noticed Haleigh and/or the door? If not, and if she doesn't mention having actually used the bathroom, doesn't that make her reason for getting up in the night untrue? Does one suddenly lose the urge to use the toilet when face with a dilemma?

So, please, does anybody know if she did?

[crymeariver2006]

The questions on my mind today are:
Which cousin?(or brother or uncle-or all of the above)
Does the AC man have any connection to misty, Ron or crystal- no matter how remote? and Who called him to fix the AC?
How often did Great G'ma visit/do laundry for Ronald?

Well since neither TN nor Ron were there that night, how would they know for sure who was unless they are just going by what Misty is telling them?

Misty never mentions the GGM in her earlier media interviews. It was always "my brother" and the A/C guy. The GGM was added several days into the disappearance. And that was to somehow "prove" that Misty was there all night. (Which I never understood because it only "proved", if true, that Misty was there at 7:00 p.m.)

Yes, why is GGM Sykes doing laundry and bringing "clean clothes"? Unless the *rumors* of Misty being gone all weekend are true? Otherwise, wouldn't Misty have been doing the laundry?

JMO

[sickntired]

I also agree that TN was answering another question at the same time NG was asking about the cousin. But I sure wish NG would have questioned that further since Ron was shaking his head no and TN was saying yes. Just to clear things up.

Here is what I find interesting...don't you think Ron would have questioned Misty as to why she used the other bathroom and would have a response for people like NG or GR? Did you notice when a caller called in saying she sleeps with her grandchildren that she uses a different bathroom as to not wake the children? And Ron shook his head yes, like, ahh, that's a good point. I mean, if this was common practice in this house, why haven't Misty or Ron just came out and said so. I would have used the other bathroom.

The sleeping arrangements....did Misty actually say that they were in the same bed or did she say we were sleeping together, meaning at the same time? When she was asked about this on the one morning show, she admitted that she said different things...and she didn't know why her story changed. But those weren't her words, she just said, yes and I don't know. Did her story change, or is Misty just confused. Are all the inconsistencies just a misunderstanding due to the lack of education/etc. on the part of this family?

I know that I am horrible with words.

Just thinking out loud and JMO.

[tisamystery]

She never made it to the bathroom...this is the story as I have heard it on the news, etc...:

She got up because she had to use the bathroom, but noticed through the open door of her room that the kitchen light was on. She then went towards the kitchen, at which time she saw the doors standing open. She ran back to her room to get her cellphone to call Ron, and at that time, saw that Haleigh was no longer there.

JMO

Thanks. So it would seem then that she was getting up for some other reason than going to the bathroom. I can see waking up to get a drink of water, finding out a child is missing and totally forgetting about the water. Going to the bathroom? If the urge is enough to wake you up, you're gonig to have to go at some point soon. If she got up at all - perhaps she came home to find Haleigh gone.


Either way, if she didn't actually use the bathroom, why would she say that was why she awakened?

[FrankieBones1]

I also agree that TN was answering another question at the same time NG was asking about the cousin. But I sure wish NG would have questioned that further since Ron was shaking his head no and TN was saying yes. Just to clear things up.<<<Snipped a bit>>>.
I noticed that, too. Why would Ron deny that Misty's cousin was there that day if he wasn't?

[Mojen]

What's the big deal about changing a lock? I changed the locks on my house when I bought it newly built. You never know who could have a key.

I have seen no evidence to point towards anyone in the family having a hand in this. Unfortunately, I have seen no evidence pointing towards anyone having a hand in this.

It's a great big WTF.

[FrankieBones1]

This was talked about several times during the show. It was not Ron that was sniffing it was his mother.
I agree. It was Theresa that was sniffling. It started just after she answered a question and she was about in tears. That'll start the sinuses flowing. I was hoping the camera man would give her a tissue during the break.

[MrLucky917B]

Well, you can't discount that theory entirely, because we know it can happen. So keep it tucked in your head.

I want to know why the national forest has not been searched? or did I miss something?

The National Forest is huge and it's located across the St John's river, I haven't heard of any searches of the forest that have come up with anything, when anything is found out there it is usaully by accident.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Perhaps, liz, put its those little extra details that did Casey in.

moo

If you are going to continue to slide Casey into this case, let's be fair.

Casey lawyers up....Crystal lawyers up.

Event planner - Casey, Event planner doing everything for Crystal.

NeJame comes out to speak for Anthony camp - Wayanna comes out to speak for Sheffield camp.

NeJame withdraws - Wayanna withdraws.

Anthony camp going with their own PI - Sheffield camp going with their own PI.

Donation Funding for Anthony Camp with mirky waters - Sheffield camp has new alleged foundation with cell number for donations. :rolleyes:

Lawyer for Anthony camp putting out questionable information - Lawyer for Sheffield camp putting out questionable information.

Anthony camp rewrites web social networking history - Sheffield camp reconstructing their social networking sites.

Anthony camp pulls a fast one on paternity, Sheffield camp muddies the water on paternity/custody hearing.

The list goes on and on, but I'm wondering if you still want to do the comparison chart given how it really looks? There is so much more, but I thought maybe you want to reconsider your quest to paint this a Casey repeat, since it would appear you're looking at the wrong leading starlet IMO.

That former event planner throwing his hat in the ring for Crystal doesn't even have the decency to include families, apparently this shot at becoming a foundation is geared to MOTHERS going through this type of trauma. What about the families and fathers?

Maybe Mr. Regan - FORMER EVENT PLANNER from NY should consider a change of heart and move it to MOTHERS WHO HAVE FAILED TO SUPPORT THEIR MISSING CHILDREN IMOO.....:mad:

What a disgrace, at least George drove all over with his sign and handed out fliers. This looks like a free place to stay without paying hotel rates as you collect donations to sustain yourself. Doesn't Satsuma have a VICTIMS COMPENSATION FUND to help defray the costs involved in relocating when your child goes missing where she lives? :wink:

[IlliniFan]

IMO the kids slept in that BR with the grups because the TV was in there, and they liked to fall asleep watching tv.


Another thing....Teresa has said that Haleigh has asthma. In a video on youtube, there are pictures of Haleigh getting breathing treatments at home. I know that for some people asthma can be worse at night.
Her breathing problems might not be very well controlled. Given the other bedrooms were at the opposite end of the trailer (i believe) Ron might have wanted her in the same room because of asthma attacks??

jmo...

[FrankieBones1]

I just can't believe that someone would not have come forward by now if Misty was away from the house that night.

My thoughts exactly. If she were out partying, one of the others would have said something. There's always someone out for their fifteen minutes or a couple of comps.

[MrLucky917B]

I noticed that, too. Why would Ron deny that Misty's cousin was there that day if he wasn't?

I think he tried to, however with audio delay and such he never really got the chance.

JMO

[Owlface]

Maybe somebody here who's followed this closely can help me.

This story is Misty got up to go to the bathroom, found the back door propped, noticed Haliegh missing, called Ron. Is that right?

I wish somebody would walk Misty through her every move from the moment she got up. Because I haven't heard about her actually making it to the bathroom. Did she go before she noticed Haleigh and/or the door? If not, and if she doesn't mention having actually used the bathroom, doesn't that make her reason for getting up in the night untrue? Does one suddenly lose the urge to use the toilet when face with a dilemma?
So, please, does anybody know if she did?

Bolding mine.

Exactly. I recall that she said she got up because she had to go to the bathroom. She noticed that the light was on etc etc and she never made it to the bathroom. I recall she said she never made it to the bathroom. This is just one of the many reasons I think her story is hinky. My personal experience is that if I have to go to the bathroom so bad that I wake up from it I REALLY have to go to the bathroom and not actually relieving myself is not an option. Therefore I believe this is a lie - she "didn't wake up 'cause she had to go to the bathroom."

Also, regarding the interview where Misty says she was 4 inches away from Haleigh and Ron says she was 4 feet away from Haleigh. I believe thiis discrepancy is because Misty was implying that Haleigh was in the same bed with her and Ron was implying she was in the toddler bed. This points to just one of many discrepancies in her story. Either she's telling the truth or Ron is making up a story. Since Ron "I was at work" Cummings wasn't there, then I believe Misty was telling the truth at this point. Then the whole question is, "you expect us to believe somebody can take a child out of your bed without you knowing?" I can see why law enforcement is frustrated and wants to clear up her inconsistencies. Young or not etc etc Misty should know whether or not she and Haleigh slept in the same bed that night IF Haleigh was actually alive at 8 pm to be put to bed. I have my doubts about that.

[CANDYKISSES]

I just can't believe that someone would not have come forward by now if Misty was away from the house that night.

Exactly, if you think People magazine or any of the rags mags wouldn't have handed out at least ten grand for that kind of info with a credible source, I think you'd be sadly mistaken. But that's JMO. :unsure:

There was a point in time when that little story was possibly attributed to someone in the media scratching the First Coast boards IIRC. IF that's wrong, I'm sure someone will have the correct board/gossip site it was ultimately attributed to. :huh:

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

IMO the kids slept in that BR with the grups because the TV was in there, and they liked to fall asleep watching tv.


But there was a tv in the living room too.

According to Misty. She put Jr. in the living room to watch "Madagascar" and she put Haleigh in the bedroom to watch "Air Bud".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

[CelticDawn]

Bless you my child!

I'm not even halfway thru and she's said two things that, IMO, are red flags.....

She put Haleigh's blanket on her, then "I made up my bed".....made up her bed? From what? (This is where I suspect bedwetting comes into play.) Where was Jr. then?

And then she says, smirking, that the children loved her more than their own mother and now it's changed to they called her "Stepmom" instead of "Mommy". (FWIW, Judges don't usually like children referring to a step parent as "Mom" or "Dad" because it creates confusion - unless the bio parent is deceased or unknown.) IMO, she's been told to now say "Stepmom".

As always, JMO

Going back now to finish. Thank you again for the link!

IMO


Misty may be streetwise.

She may have done something to Hayleigh.

She may have NOT.

But she KNOWS.


she keeps outing herself....and If WE on here can catch it....HAVE FAITH LAW ENFORCEMENT is catching it....and they didnt take that door off the hinges for nothing.
They haven't made ANY moves for nothing.

and HAYLEIGH will have JUSTICE.....whether alive dead scam or whatever.....


LE already knows the answers.....They want to lock everyone into their stories before they pley the LE hand.

[CANDYKISSES]

GOOD CATCH!!.......I went to sleep wondering about that comment about her making up her bed. I knew it something and I believe you are right!! Why else would she be up washing blankets?

My biggest thing is when she is asked what happened an she looks upwards and begins it with, "Okay.........", that always bugs the heck out of me.

Also all night long I dreamed about searching for Haleigh near my childhood home. Does that mean Haleigh is somewhere near her home, previous home or Misty`s previous home??? I kept waking up but continued with the same dream. At one point I actually made note in my mind to find out where Misty`s family pets were buried. Just had to get that out there.

This is exactly why Misty should have legal counsel now and she can still comply with LE, but everyone will be going by the book if legal counsel is involved IMO.

What is such a red flag about Misty stating she was making up her bed? :confused:

Are you serious or joking about the last paragraph? :blushing: IF you're serious, just imagine how many LE moves and sometimes flaws are attributed to just that kind of call when someone perceives their dream as a tip......it's frightening anymore IMO. But I guess that helps support the need for COBRA???? jI dunno.

[Rileyj26]

Another thing....Teresa has said that Haleigh has asthma. In a video on youtube, there are pictures of Haleigh getting breathing treatments at home. I know that for some people asthma can be worse at night.
Her breathing problems might not be very well controlled. Given the other bedrooms were at the opposite end of the trailer (i believe) Ron might have wanted her in the same room because of asthma attacks??

jmo...


GEE why would ANY parent SMOKE around a child that has asthma...next I bet you will tell me maybe they didn't smoke in the home and or around the kids. And MAYBE everyone is innocent in this case...right. The MORAL compass on all the parents/adults involved either directly or hundreds of miles away was WAY off and THAT my friends is what lead to this tragedy!!!

[crymeariver2006]

GOOD CATCH!!.......I went to sleep wondering about that comment about her making up her bed. I knew it something and I believe you are right!! Why else would she be up washing blankets?

My biggest thing is when she is asked what happened an she looks upwards and begins it with, "Okay.........", that always bugs the heck out of me.

Also all night long I dreamed about searching for Haleigh near my childhood home. Does that mean Haleigh is somewhere near her home, previous home or Misty`s previous home??? I kept waking up but continued with the same dream. At one point I actually made note in my mind to find out where Misty`s family pets were buried. Just had to get that out there.

Yeah, but when she looked up and started the "Okay...." stuff she reminded me of my DD doing a Valley Girl impression. :laugh:

[CANDYKISSES]

Convince me that a stranger would lug a cinderclock to prop open a door he THINKS might slam. As far as searching......ugggg....why did they send TE home so fast?

Have you posted that question to TE?

[crymeariver2006]

Another thing....Teresa has said that Haleigh has asthma. In a video on youtube, there are pictures of Haleigh getting breathing treatments at home. I know that for some people asthma can be worse at night.
Her breathing problems might not be very well controlled. Given the other bedrooms were at the opposite end of the trailer (i believe) Ron might have wanted her in the same room because of asthma attacks??

jmo...

None of my children have asthma, but is sleeping on or near a carpeted floor okay?

I have a friend that has severe asthma (developed later in life) and the first thing the doctors told her to do was get rid of all the carpet in the house and the woodstove.

:shrug:


Just asking for my own personal knowledge.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'd like to see more pressure applied to all in this case.

I'd like to see a new group of LE come in and start from scratch. Lie-detecting everyone, interviewing everyone like it just happened.

Compare notes and see what new things emerge.

That might be a good idea as I have NEVER heard of the DNA mess-up in a case before it even hit the charge stage...but that's just me. :unsure: That sent a hundred questions rolling for me.

[IlliniFan]

If Misty harmed Haleigh, she certainly covered the evidence well. (unless LE knows a homicide took place in the trailer).

I still don't know if she had a car to take Haleigh and hide her?

[crymeariver2006]

If Misty harmed Haleigh, she certainly covered the evidence well. (unless LE knows a homicide took place in the trailer).

I still don't know if she had a car to take Haleigh and hide her?

We don't even know if she has a driver's license.

:shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Hmmmmmm.......how's this for another theory........

snipped for response

That's why Misty is making up the bed, washing blankets so there will be no "trace" of Cousin Joe being there.

OK, start poking holes, LOL.

That could be possible if you are really looking for Misty as a suspect, but don't you think they would have confiscated the mattress and that more would have been removed as evidence by now? :unsure:

Just thinking if she fell or was pushed, there would be items missing and in evidence....JMO

[playnice]

That might be a good idea as I have NEVER heard of the DNA mess-up in a case before it even hit the charge stage...but that's just me. :unsure: That sent a hundred questions rolling for me.

Can you imagine if they find the perp and arrest him/her? Defense will have a hay day with the messed up DNA.

[crymeariver2006]

oceanview....of course your theory is possible because NOTHING can be ruled out at this point. But.....for the sake of hole poking....I can't see Misty going to bat for cousin Joe this intensely, especially after saying he messed with her.

And especially since just a couple of weeks ago, she had TN and CC convinced Joe was a pedophile and then later a cinder block bandit.

And her Dad all but accused Joe on national tv of being the perp.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

We don't even know if she has a driver's license.

:shrug:

So if she didn't have a license, there's another reason to haul her back in for an INCONSISTENT STATEMENT after the ART HARRIS interview, right? Then they can really stick it to her and call her a liar etc...trying to get her to admit to their theory IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT right now. Just guessing here.

IF that is the kind of inconsistency LE is speaking to, then I can fully understand the complications with Misty and the idea of her being seventeen and not thinking like someone more mature.

FEAR can cause issues with polygraphs IMO and I'm sure given all the things Misty has had to fear living the lifestyle she has, it could be a difficult process. But hey, that's JMO. :unsure:

She needs to have legal representation given the current state of affairs and that would be whether she is guilty of anything to do with the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings or not IMO.

:wub:Praying for a miracle with the safe return of Haleigh Cummings.

[CelticDawn]

Hmmmmmm.......how's this for another theory........Cousin Joe was there earlier in the day, maybe they got drunk. Misty put the kids down, one in front of each tv, for the night. They fell asleep. Misty put Haleigh on the couch with Jr and invited Cousin Joe to share her bed. Misty/Cousin Joe props the door open so it won't wake the kids with his coming and going. Haleigh wakes up and comes into RC/Misty's bedroom only to see Cousin Joe in bed with the person she calls Mommy. She makes a fuss.......Cousin Joe gets mad and hits her. She falls, hits her head and is killed, and they dispose of the body using the van that Cousin Joe borrowed for the evening, which he has parked away from the trailer in the woods so no one will see it, hence the gash in the side, he swiped a tree trunk. That's why Misty is making up the bed, washing blankets so there will be no "trace" of Cousin Joe being there.

OK, start poking holes, LOL.

Have the forensic guys gone over the inside of that van?

where is that van?

If a body was disposed....unless this guy was GOOD....there would be traces of Hayleigh....

Was drop cloth, thick plastic or any other items found in this van?

do any of them have the education or intelligence to pull off such a thing?


doesLE already KNOW what happen and setting a trap for them at the behest of the Prosecuting Attorneys?

When are they going to be dragged in, charged, and indicted?

[CANDYKISSES]

What the heck are you talking about??? I NEVER called LE about any tip in this case, let alone about a dream!! You are making absolutely no sense!!

Read it again if you misinterpreted what you read. Emphasize the WORDS JUST IMAGINE....IF.....WHEN SOMEONE PERCEIVES and you should be able to understand what was posted IMO.

There was no emphasis put on TREETREE, simply a reference to how the dreams can turn into tips and what happens from that point. :ohmy:

[KKKKKKatie]

We don't even know if she has a driver's license.

:shrug:

Morning...

In her latest interview she says that she does sometimes drive her to school. Doesn't mean she has a DL but she does drive IMO

[IlliniFan]

None of my children have asthma, but is sleeping on or near a carpeted floor okay?

I have a friend that has severe asthma (developed later in life) and the first thing the doctors told her to do was get rid of all the carpet in the house and the woodstove.

:shrug:


Just asking for my own personal knowledge.

You're right about carpet and woodstoves, etc. Maybe Ron couldn't afford to pull the carpet and put down wood floors...

My point about Haleigh's asthma and sleeping in the BR was that uncontrolled asthma can be very serious.

A woman that used to do my hair had asthma. She had an attack in the middle of the night. Her husband was there in bed with her and did what he could. However, by the time the EMT's arrived she was gone....It can be a serious illness

[CANDYKISSES]

Not trying to take up for her or anything because she is still on my hinky meter, but I lived in the country for a while when I was younger, and I drove everywhere without a license for a couple of years until I was old enough for a license, so even though she stated she takes Haleigh to school sometimes, and Ron took her to the bus that day and picked her up, does not necessarily mean she is lying or being inconsistent.

JMO

I understand what you are saying, but I am left wondering if that's the kind of thing that creates inconsistencies and/or polygraph issues when someone is fearful given their lifestyle. JMO, but I do think Misty should have legal representation and CONTINUE to WORK WITH LE, but it's only in the interest of getting to the bottom of it legally either way.

She isn't off my list yet either, but she's not at the top. JMO:sneaky:

[crymeariver2006]

Morning...

In her latest interview she says that she does sometimes drive her to school. Doesn't mean she has a DL but she does drive IMO

That's true, but my post was in response to whether or not Misty had a car - that night especially.

(I don't necessarily believe she ever drove Haleigh to school or to the bus stop. I think that's more of the new "Perfect Stepmom" that she's now trying to portray, as opposed to the "live in girlfriend slash babysitter". JMO though. :wink:)

[KKKKKKatie]

That's true, but my post was in response to whether or not Misty had a car - that night especially.

(I don't necessarily believe she ever drove Haleigh to school or to the bus stop. I think that's more of the new "Perfect Stepmom" that she's now trying to portray, as opposed to the "live in girlfriend slash babysitter". JMO though. :wink:)

Oh sorry! I to wonder if she has a car???

She has downgraded herself from the kids calling her Mom to step-mom tho lol

I am beginning to go back to someone else took her. I am wobbling so bad on this fence I may fall soon :biggrin:

[CANDYKISSES]

What would be inconsistent with that interview. She didn't say whether or not she had a drivers license...just that she sometimes drove Haleigh to school.

It could be used to impugn her credibility with LE IF she had gone out for some reason that night now that she is on the record admitting to driving at times. I was trying to get to the heart of what these inconsistencies can be attributed to and the need for her to have legal representation who can explain things to her concerning any FEARS SHE MAY have when telling what happened as she remembers it that night. JMO tho.

From looking at all the personal information on this group, it doesn't seem to imply a love and trust relationship with LE sans Teresa working for them IMOO. :mellow:

[crymeariver2006]

ITA. Whether she has something to hide or not, she needs a lawyer. That way she can tell her lawyer everything, and the lawyer can ask the questions, write down the timeline and all information, and then relay it to LE in the way that would be understood. I do not know if this is making sense, but I really believe a lot of this has to do with just the lifestyle and the way you are raised. For instance, people here are making a to-do about her saying she was making up the bed. I use that term, it was one of things I picked up while living in the country. It does not mean that she was putting everything on the bed like a sheet, fitted sheet, pillow cases, etc. It could just mean she was getting it ready for bed. When we make up the bed, we are pulling the blankets down so that we can get ready to go to sleep. No big in my opinion...

JMO

Well, maybe because where I come from you "make up" a bed in the morning or you're changing the sheets.

You "turn down" a bed (or the covers) at night when you go to sleep.

:shrug:

That's the only reason I said anything.

Maybe I'm just not well versed in "Mistyspeak" LOL

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA. Whether she has something to hide or not, she needs a lawyer. That way she can tell her lawyer everything, and the lawyer can ask the questions, write down the timeline and all information, and then relay it to LE in the way that would be understood. I do not know if this is making sense, but I really believe a lot of this has to do with just the lifestyle and the way she was raised. For instance, people here are making a to-do about her saying she was making up the bed. I use that term, it was one of things I picked up while living in the country. It does not mean that she was putting everything on the bed like a sheet, fitted sheet, pillow cases, etc. It could just mean she was getting it ready for bed. When we make up the bed, we are pulling the blankets down so that we can get ready to go to sleep. No big in my opinion...

JMO

These are things I am thinking too liza, really. While I'm not ready to cross her off my list, I am doubtful she has done anything to Haleigh. JMO tho. :sad: I hate to see the Misty and Ron debacle sidetracking this investigation and people making uninformed judgments or screaming guilt when they may not have any idea of the lifestyle....JMO again.

[kitty1182]

If you just think lightly without trying to think too sinister, you would think a propped open door, a light on, and a missing child seems staged.

That's what I think....

mo

[CANDYKISSES]

With all due respect, the past few days LE has not leaked stuff that makes Misty sound innocent or cleared. I think they would have stayed mum unless they wanted to put thier doubt out there.

:wink:

It could also be to instill fear in Misty as a last resort if they are truly at a loss IMO. :unsure:

[Mojen]

Bold is mine....ITA...Ask Tommy Ward and Karl Fontenot (sp?) from Ada Oklahoma about talking about dreams and what it can get you....:rolleyes:

Did you read Dreams of Ada? I thought was the only one in the world that bought the book.

There was a woman on NG last night who was going on and on about her "feelings" about the case and how she had been on the phone a lot with LE telling them all about her "feelings."

I'm sorry, but what a waste of LE's time.

[sofiesmom]

Am I the only one that feels this way?

One minute I am so angry with Ron and his mother Theresa for holding up for Misty and other things, like a wedding for example. Then the next time I see them, I feel sorry for them. Why do I do this? I know no one can answer that...just ventin.


When I says guilty of something...I havn't figured out if Misty could have left the home that night or hurt Haleigh herself

Then if you listen to Ron or Theresa - then you think Misty is innocent of everthing. Do you think they are both that blinded by Misty?..or is it possible Misty really is innocent. ( I can believe I just used Misty and innocent in the same sentence).

This has got to be the most puzzling cases I have ever seen.

mooSame here, horse. Right now, I'm in the "feeling sorry for them" mode. I don't think Theresa's stupid enough to be blinded by Misty. And I don't think Misty is savvy enough to "blind" anyone.

I just want Haleigh to be found. I think that the answer is in their inner circle (but then again, maybe not...who knows, sadly).

[Riverwalk!]

I think he tried to, however with audio delay and such he never really got the chance.

JMO

Here's the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKi243KPxsQ

Not good quality, but I think TN, Nancy and Ron were all talking over each other and with the time-delay (for audio at the scene) is not clear which question was being answered.

[IlliniFan]

Did you read Dreams of Ada? I thought was the only one in the world that bought the book.

There was a woman on NG last night who was going on and on about her "feelings" about the case and how she had been on the phone a lot with LE telling them all about her "feelings."

I'm sorry, but what a waste of LE's time.


I heard that caller too, and thought it was just really strange. Can you imagine the kinds of calls and tips LE have to wade through??

[KKKKKKatie]

I heard that caller too, and thought it was just really strange. Can you imagine the kinds of calls and tips LE have to wade through??

What a mess! :sad:

[KKKKKKatie]

I can tell you for certain that I would be doing daily hikes searching for my kid around the vicinity of that house. I would do this everyday and keep expanding my one man search a little more each day.

I think that is what I probably would be doing too ICE

[KKKKKKatie]

She must've been in the house with LE because they said she found the pink shirt on the floor by the back door. Remember the infamous pink shirt press conference LE had. That day they announced they were calling off the searches and taking the investigation in a dif direction.


Yes....and I believe they most probably had her recreate her steps at that time IMO

[Destini]

Trying to think like a 17-year-old, if you were going to make up a story about an abduction, don't you think she would've said she heard someone or saw someone in the house, maybe even actually saw someone in the bedroom, but was scared & waited a few minutes to get up?

This is the main reason I don't think she is lying about this part. I do, however, believe she is leaving something important out, either someone that was there or that she may have left the house.

Personally, I think this is drug related. Maybe because I deal with criminal proceedings as part of my work. I could be wrong.

I am in the process of typing a trial right now where there was a home invasion where the perps were looking for drugs and/or money, didn't find any & kidnapped the 1-year-old child. So I know for a fact this does happen.

[odyssey]

Good morning, all. I thought the NG show was great in alot of respects. She asked some questions that we have been asking here over and over. I wondered about all the nose sniffing RC was doing and his almost blank yet somehow aggressive stare, I wondered if he had had a toot of coke before the interview, and I think his mother, bless her heart, is afraid of him for some reason. JMO, don't slam me, please, that was just my take on the interview. Also, Ron is not looking like he's melting away anymore, he seems to be regaining some strength.

He was not sniffling. That was Mrs. Neves.

[Motomom]

She does it in her blanket/bed wetting interview also. Like she is getting ready to tell you a story not relay actual events like she does when she tells us about Ron's proposal.

i remember reading the transcript of of tony lazzaro's interview with le about picking up CA after her car ran out of gas. They told him to Close your eyes and picture it, like that day...

ya think maybe le told Misty that? sounds quite possible and maybe when she is retelling it she is closing her eyes and envisioning it as well.

not everything they do or say or look or act is suspect. imo

[Riverwalk!]

Seems to me there would be evidence to show a home invasion occured though. LE has said there is no sign of any stranger being even on the property or anywhere near that house. Why would LE say that if it's not true? Sheriff live on CNN & Fox News telling the public that. Plus law enforcement cautioned the public; '....Keep in mind ..this is what they're telling us....we can't be certain...."

Then why did they take the screen door 30 days later? Waiting that long baffles me.

[Destini]

Seems to me there would be evidence to show a home invasion occured though. LE has said there is no sign of any stranger being even on the property or anywhere near that house. Why would LE say that if it's not true? Sheriff live on CNN & Fox News telling the public that. Plus law enforcement cautioned the public; '....Keep in mind ..this is what they're telling us....we can't be certain...."

I'm thinking more along the lines of someone they knew, someone either voluntarily let into the house, who unlocked that door & came back later ..... or someone who knew Misty was not there & knew she left that door unlocked. Maybe someone that was owed a lot of money. Just a theory but also a gut feeling.

[Motomom]

That isn't a theory, that it malicious nasty unfounded gossip.

i agree..nothing to back that theory up with at all, not that they all need backing up, because some of them are in the realm of possibility imo.

[?noanswer]

One would assume that the landlord/property owner called the repairman, as would be typical in a rental situation. Also, about the laundry, in the first walk thru of the house that I saw TN told the reporter that there was almost always laundry piled in front of that back door. Maybe GGma was bringing laundry that the kids had left at her house?


For some reason I got the idea that ggm had washed clothes that had been left at her house. Maybe when they were over there, they got dirty and she changed them and just kept the dirty ones to wash. I always loved to wash my GS's clothes. JMO

[Motomom]

So if she didn't have a license, there's another reason to haul her back in for an INCONSISTENT STATEMENT after the ART HARRIS interview, right? Then they can really stick it to her and call her a liar etc...trying to get her to admit to their theory IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT right now. Just guessing here.

IF that is the kind of inconsistency LE is speaking to, then I can fully understand the complications with Misty and the idea of her being seventeen and not thinking like someone more mature.

FEAR can cause issues with polygraphs IMO and I'm sure given all the things Misty has had to fear living the lifestyle she has, it could be a difficult process. But hey, that's JMO. :unsure:

She needs to have legal representation given the current state of affairs and that would be whether she is guilty of anything to do with the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings or not IMO.

:wub:Praying for a miracle with the safe return of Haleigh Cummings.

And the second she lawyers up you know how that will go imo.. people will have her fried already imo.

i agree, it would probably be in her best interest to get a lawyer. Someone has to be able to get through her inconsistencies imo

[CANDYKISSES]

Did you read Dreams of Ada? I thought was the only one in the world that bought the book.

There was a woman on NG last night who was going on and on about her "feelings" about the case and how she had been on the phone a lot with LE telling them all about her "feelings."

I'm sorry, but what a waste of LE's time.

Exactly, and we have to remember it's getting worse all the time IMO.:unsure:

[KKKKKKatie]

For some reason I got the idea that ggm had washed clothes that had been left at her house. Maybe when they were over there, they got dirty and she changed them and just kept the dirty ones to wash. I always loved to wash my GS's clothes. JMO


That is the same idea I got when listening to what TN said about it

[?noanswer]

I also agree that TN was answering another question at the same time NG was asking about the cousin. But I sure wish NG would have questioned that further since Ron was shaking his head no and TN was saying yes. Just to clear things up.

Here is what I find interesting...don't you think Ron would have questioned Misty as to why she used the other bathroom and would have a response for people like NG or GR? Did you notice when a caller called in saying she sleeps with her grandchildren that she uses a different bathroom as to not wake the children? And Ron shook his head yes, like, ahh, that's a good point. I mean, if this was common practice in this house, why haven't Misty or Ron just came out and said so. I would have used the other bathroom.

The sleeping arrangements....did Misty actually say that they were in the same bed or did she say we were sleeping together, meaning at the same time? When she was asked about this on the one morning show, she admitted that she said different things...and she didn't know why her story changed. But those weren't her words, she just said, yes and I don't know. Did her story change, or is Misty just confused. Are all the inconsistencies just a misunderstanding due to the lack of education/etc. on the part of this family?

I know that I am horrible with words.

Just thinking out loud and JMO.

There is an interview with A. H. on the links thread. She said she didn't make it to the bathroom. When she got up she saw the light on, went & checked on that and when she saw the door was open, she ran back to BR to get phone and noticed that Haleigh was gone. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Well that would fit the theory of the woman who called in to NG last night when she said that she thought they had slipped something in Misty's drink...:wink:

Folks I have to get busy packing this room. I promised Hubby I would have it packed before I meet him in DC next week...so far I haven't touched a box...and it is all y'all's fault:tonguewag:

Make sure you pack the computer LAST! :wink:

[kitty1182]

There is an interview with A. H. on the links thread. She said she didn't make it to the bathroom. When she got up she saw the light on, went & checked on that and when she saw the door was open, she ran back to BR to get phone and noticed that Haleigh was gone. JMO

Wonder why she didn't notice her gone before she left the bedroom?:confused:

[?noanswer]

Thanks. So it would seem then that she was getting up for some other reason than going to the bathroom. I can see waking up to get a drink of water, finding out a child is missing and totally forgetting about the water. Going to the bathroom? If the urge is enough to wake you up, you're gonig to have to go at some point soon. If she got up at all - perhaps she came home to find Haleigh gone.


Either way, if she didn't actually use the bathroom, why would she say that was why she awakened?

I think some posters are trying to pharse every word. If one wakes up and discovers a disaster, more than likely the bathroom urge would be forgotten. I'm sure she has used the bathroom by now. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I think some posters are trying to pharse every word. If one wakes up and discovers a disaster, more than likely the bathroom urge would be forgotten. I'm sure she has used the bathroom by now. JMO


:lol: :lol:

[Motomom]

I agree, but I think that detective who spoke out so candidly, comparing the Today Show interview with how difficult it is to question Misty in the police station - I don't know that he planned that statement ahead. I think he was just maybe speaking out of pure frustration, "see?? see? That's how she is" kind of a thing - not necessarily with much forethought.

It was illuminating to me, though. The media understandably treats her with kid gloves and doesn't persue a line of questioning that might upset her - she won't come back and give the interview. I would think the police might have had better luck pinning down answers to their questions. I guess not, though. Makes it seem more purposeful, on her part, than it did before.


you know what, she reminds me of my sister a bit. hardheaded..things aint' going her way, walk out. if i'm trying to argue with her on the phone, she just hangs up.. it's frustrating. i can understand le's frustration and Ron and Theresa need to sit this girl down and find out WHy she is being inconsistent with le.. i would be livid if i were Ron over that.

[?noanswer]

Bolding mine.

Exactly. I recall that she said she got up because she had to go to the bathroom. She noticed that the light was on etc etc and she never made it to the bathroom. I recall she said she never made it to the bathroom. This is just one of the many reasons I think her story is hinky. My personal experience is that if I have to go to the bathroom so bad that I wake up from it I REALLY have to go to the bathroom and not actually relieving myself is not an option. Therefore I believe this is a lie - she "didn't wake up 'cause she had to go to the bathroom."

Also, regarding the interview where Misty says she was 4 inches away from Haleigh and Ron says she was 4 feet away from Haleigh. I believe thiis discrepancy is because Misty was implying that Haleigh was in the same bed with her and Ron was implying she was in the toddler bed. This points to just one of many discrepancies in her story. Either she's telling the truth or Ron is making up a story. Since Ron "I was at work" Cummings wasn't there, then I believe Misty was telling the truth at this point. Then the whole question is, "you expect us to believe somebody can take a child out of your bed without you knowing?" I can see why law enforcement is frustrated and wants to clear up her inconsistencies. Young or not etc etc Misty should know whether or not she and Haleigh slept in the same bed that night IF Haleigh was actually alive at 8 pm to be put to bed. I have my doubts about that.


Re 4" versus 4'. I usually say inches instead of feet and my spouse will correct me. I get mixed up on Right & Left. Have to pretend I am writing remember. She did say the distance was about the same as the two chairs they were sitting in. I think it was an honest mistake. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Greta asked her if she used the master bath. Misty said no. It's in one of the early interviews and I think most of them are in the links thread.

If you remember.....was Greta asking if that was the bathroom she normally used or if she used it that night when all this happened?

Her answer could have meant she never made it into the bathroom because she saw the light. Would depend on the context of the question.

[Motomom]

I am actually reading it now...I already knew of the story from reading The Innocent Man and then the follow up to that by Dennis Fritz...Pretty scary stuff to be coming out of Ada Oklahoma...

I agree about the lady that called in last night. I realize she was just trying to help but when we call in tips we need to do it what we know not what we feel. I honestly can see "tips" coming from message boards like this because I so remember the boat in the SP trial and what posters from this very board did. The internet is a wonderful thing but sometimes we just get carried away.

i have that book here too.. very scary indeed. haven't finished reading it yet. don't know what the posters here did about the boat though, wasn't around for that. i agree with you too about the internet. i have no doubt that it was a mb poster who called about misti not being home too. not one from here, but i think from another mb..Some mb posters do a really good and thorough job of searching for information and coming up with good connections..others read too much into everything and can't keep their mind open imo.

[KKKKKKatie]

Re 4" versus 4'. I usually say inches instead of feet and my spouse will correct me. I get mixed up on Right & Left. Have to pretend I am writing remember. She did say the distance was about the same as the two chairs they were sitting in. I think it was an honest mistake. JMO

LOL I always had to look down to see which hand my wedding ring was on to tell L & R. Then I got a divorce......

:lol:

[KKKKKKatie]

And then you were ALWAYS right, LOL!


:lol: you betcha! Now I have to look down at my watch. My daughter has to do the same thing. It is very odd....but very real.

[KKKKKKatie]

I have to do the same thing with measurements. I can tell you the size of something only by comparing (size of a grapefruit or the length of a football field) but if you asked me to tell you in inches or feet...there is no way I could tell you.

And no.....my IQ is just fine :tonguewag:

[JD1974]

:lol: you betcha! Now I have to look down at my watch. My daughter has to do the same thing. It is very odd....but very real.


Whenever you ask my sister which way to turn she always has to do the Pledge of Allegiance LOL I am always cracking up at her when she raises her hand up!

[Motomom]

I think Moto there is a big difference between Tony and Misty`s stories. He was asked to relay many multiple events and conversations from a whole month prior. That would be hard. Misty's is just being asked to truthfully tell events surrounding just moments in time. That should not be that hard. The way she starts it off with......"Okay.......", and I have seen her do this twice now, has always sent up red flags. IMO......I can see just what LE is going through with Misty.

Believe you me, LE is studying these interviews for her behaviour, body language and speech patterns. And rightly so. Like they said, Misty holds the key to Haleigh's disappearance. Many things are suspect.

I have set through many murder trials and have seen defendants on the stand trying to lie there way out of a conviction. Even when it is painfully obvious they are doing just that. I have watched their every movement and listened to their jive talk. I am doing just that here because I know how important it all can be.


i say...it's still a possibility. i'm with you the rest of the way. its not ok for her to be inconsistent.

[KKKKKKatie]

Whenever you ask my sister which way to turn she always has to do the Pledge of Allegiance LOL I am always cracking up at her when she raises her hand up!

It is a really odd thing! I am so happy I am not alone :biggrin:

[Riverwalk!]

Greta asked her if she used the master bath. Misty said no. It's in one of the early interviews and I think most of them are in the links thread.

This is the only time I remember that Misty/Ron were on Greta.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

Is there another interview?

[Mojen]

Regarding bringing a cinder block.

I had my wheels and tires stolen off my car a few years back. The thieves brought four cinder blocks with them. While it was a different crime, things like that do happen. People do bring their instruments of crime with them.

Another thought is this, we are trying to rationalize the irrational. When someone says "people just don't do things like that", it means you wouldn't do things like that. The criminal element's thought processes are WAY different then normal (or semi normal), law abiding people.

[Riverwalk!]

Regarding bringing a cinder block.

I had my wheels and tires stolen off my car a few years back. The thieves brought four cinder blocks with them. While it was a different crime, things like that do happen. People do bring their instruments of crime with them.

Another thought is this, we are trying to rationalize the irrational. When someone says "people just don't do things like that", it means you wouldn't do things like that. The criminal element's thought processes are WAY different then normal (or semi normal), law abiding people.

That sure is true and on that note none of us here would make very good criminals. lol

[JD1974]

Regarding bringing a cinder block.

I had my wheels and tires stolen off my car a few years back. The thieves brought four cinder blocks with them. While it was a different crime, things like that do happen. People do bring their instruments of crime with them.

Another thought is this, we are trying to rationalize the irrational. When someone says "people just don't do things like that", it means you wouldn't do things like that. The criminal element's thought processes are WAY different then normal (or semi normal), law abiding people.


I know what you mean about rationalizing. I know this guy who for some reason refuses to stop driving even though he has a lifetime ban on getting his license. He went to prison for 10 years for driving then when he was released drove again! Now he is in prison again...I can't wrap my head around things some people do.

[?noanswer]

At least two questions were answered in the NG interview. They did not stay in NY and Ron did not say "I was at work". That had been a concern of some posters before the interview. Re Misty's saying "OK" - Maybe that is a habit she has as some people have the habit of saying "you know".JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't remember.

I remember that greta asked her if she used the bathroom closest to where she said she had been sleeping and misty said No.

Thanks Adalena

[KKKKKKatie]

And you would think he would have brought a flashlight.
Couple of things...

If it were a crime of opportunity:

Could the cinder block have come from a neighbors yard?

Could a peeper/passerby have seen in Misty's window when she took the blanket down?

[KKKKKKatie]

I listened to it again and she said that Ron was home before she called her Mom. So did she call her Mom before calling 911?
Last night on NG Ron said he had told Misty to call 911 immediately after finding out that Haleigh was missing...
So now I am wondering if 911 kept Misty on the line until officers had arrived on the scene or? This is just really confusing.

If they each have a cell phone they could have done both at the same time????

[KKKKKKatie]

From what I remember of the bedroom, and the window, I think it would have been easy for someone to see inside


That is what I thought. I am so confused by this case and heartsick for Haleigh :sad:

[Motomom]

Regarding bringing a cinder block.

I had my wheels and tires stolen off my car a few years back. The thieves brought four cinder blocks with them. While it was a different crime, things like that do happen. People do bring their instruments of crime with them.

Another thought is this, we are trying to rationalize the irrational. When someone says "people just don't do things like that", it means you wouldn't do things like that. The criminal element's thought processes are WAY different then normal (or semi normal), law abiding people.

There were also cinderblocks in the yard too. I think thats where that block may have came from imo

[mustangtoni]

Couple of things...

If it were a crime of opportunity:

Could the cinder block have come from a neighbors yard?

Could a peeper/passerby have seen in Misty's window when she took the blanket down?

Problem I have with a passerby, is that the mobile home is on a dead end street...and secluded by itself...

I wouldn't think alot of traffic, or walkers going near there...

It's a confusing case....
I still believe it was someone who knew the layout of the mobile home and also the family and had been there before

[KKKKKKatie]

You know, I could have sworn when I first started watching the TV about this, they said that there were cinder blocks at the back edge of the trailer, but Ron said he never used them and didn't even really know they were there...something like that. I could've sworn I saw or heard something like this, but I will have to go back to the beginning and check. It will probably take a while, so...I'll be back...until then, this is JMO


Thanks Liz...you are a sweetie!

[KKKKKKatie]

Problem I have with a passerby, is that the mobile home is on a dead end street...and secluded by itself...

I wouldn't think alot of traffic, or walkers going near there...

It's a confusing case....
I still believe it was someone who knew the layout of the mobile home and also the family and had been there before

A neighbor maybe?????

[Babes]

How come Misty didnt think in the beginning that Ron could have arrive already that's why the kitchen light is on? It is already 3am which is close to the time that Ron normally arrive from work... How come Misty didnt try to say ---- " Ron are you there now? - Ron? " - Ron could possibly arrive home already and open the backdoor? But instead she tried to reach the phone to call him...Obviously she's not scared that Ron wasnt there as when Ron arrived she's already standing on the front door by herself IMO...

[JD1974]

I still think about someone who lived there previously, not them personally doing something but a person who was a friend of theirs or maybe someone the pastor was ministering to? I can just see someone breaking in thinking the previous person was still there and getting caught by Haleigh...I know it sounds bizarre but this whole case is bizarre imo.

[Mojen]

Maybe they propped open the screen door so it wouldn't squeak

Maybe they did bring a flashlight but didn't need it because one of the kids got up and left the kitchen light on

Maybe they brought a flashlight/lantern/whatever, but it didn't work.

Maybe Haleigh was flailing around and hit the light switch on while being carried out.

My point is, there are SO many unknown variables, there is no way to come to any sort of reasonable conclusion. That is what gets me going on this board, those that "just know" that <insert name> did it.

Just because someone did/does drugs doesn't mean they had anything to do with this.

Just because someone is 17 doesn't mean they had something to do with this.

Just because someone lost residential custody of their children and is in arrears on their child support doesn't mean they had something to do with this.

[?noanswer]

I'm sorry, but if a criminal were stupid enough to bring his own cinder block, he would have been caught by now. We are not talking about a brick, but a CINDER BLOCK. If you travel with your own door proppers, I can imagine many that make more sense....a door stop, brick, whatever happens to be on the porch, etc...


Bolding by me

Why do you think that? JMO

[Babes]

well that's a good point, why DIDN'T she automatically think he had come home from work?

That's the first thing i would think if i see that light and door open - I will be yelling for his name...:w00t:

[?noanswer]

You know, I could have sworn when I first started watching the TV about this, they said that there were cinder blocks at the back edge of the trailer, but Ron said he never used them and didn't even really know they were there...something like that. I could've sworn I saw or heard something like this, but I will have to go back to the beginning and check. It will probably take a while, so...I'll be back...until then, this is JMO

I have heard that too. I also heard that it was not a full block, but a part of one. If it was part of one, I wonder if the other part is still with the rest of them. JMO

[IlliniFan]

Well, I'm hoping Cobra...can find something....He said something to the effect that he believes there will be a break in this case soon. Not sure what he's basing that on...

Would LE brief this guy on what evidence they have??

[Babes]

She didn't secure the back door either. We can think it any which way and it's still a mystery. I know weird things happen when you're the victim of a crime and people would pick it apart. Any crime can be picked apart. If she was afraid possible intruders (still possibly outside) would come back in and harm her or steal Jr. too, she didn't ever say. That she left us to assume.

Remember she told the 911 operator she was cleaning.
She was cleaning.
She just woke up.
She got up to go to the bathroom.
She got up to get a drink of water.

4 differing stories just on 1 issue of how she came to wake up.

I agree...

[?noanswer]

Well, I'm hoping Cobra...can find something....He said something to the effect that he believes there will be a break in this case soon. Not sure what he's basing that on...

Would LE brief this guy on what evidence they have??

I think that is what PIs/BHs do. Lawyers also do that depending on what side they are on. They will spin to put their client in the best light. Remember how LP kept saying that if KC was out of jail, the truth would come out. Spin, Spin, Spin. JMO

[Spry]

You know, I could have sworn when I first started watching the TV about this, they said that there were cinder blocks at the back edge of the trailer, but Ron said he never used them and didn't even really know they were there...something like that. I could've sworn I saw or heard something like this, but I will have to go back to the beginning and check. It will probably take a while, so...I'll be back...until then, this is JMO

I remember this, too.

[playnice]

I am concerned that LE have bungled this case from the get go.
How do you mess up everyones dna? Why wait a month and after the CS has been released to remove the door? A month to search that dumpster and with the dog hits why not try to collect some evidence just because you didnt find bones? I hope if they are relying on Misti its for bigger inconsistencies than just was Haleigh on the youth mattress or the big bed and which pot do you pee in.
Not defending Misti because she may know more than she is telling but I also hope she isnt being the scapegoat because she isnt too bright because they dont have a clue what has happened.
Gosh I hope something happens soon.
At this point until more is released everyone is a suspect.
Also why wasnt that mattress taken and checks for hair fibers etc?

[Babes]

Any fingerprints?

How could Misty's parents and Misty think about JOE as someone who could be responsible of this if Joe isnt there? How sure Ron is that Joe isnt there as well? Why would say Joe and Ron are fighting over a gun and Ron will deny that? Is Ron trying to hide something on this?

[?noanswer]

I am concerned that LE have bungled this case from the get go.
How do you mess up everyones dna? Why wait a month and after the CS has been released to remove the door? A month to search that dumpster and with the dog hits why not try to collect some evidence just because you didnt find bones? I hope if they are relying on Misti its for bigger inconsistencies than just was Haleigh on the youth mattress or the big bed and which pot do you pee in.
Not defending Misti because she may know more than she is telling but I also hope she isnt being the scapegoat because she isnt too bright because they dont have a clue what has happened.
Gosh I hope something happens soon.
At this point until more is released everyone is a suspect.

LE cannot solve every case. Remember the two girls that were murdered in OK. LE was there within an hour or so. That case still has not been solved. JMO

[Spry]

I haven't been watching this case as much as I was in the beginning. I believe Haleigh is dead so I am hoping to just hear about charges being filed. The thing that I have noticed, however, is that each time Ron speaks he says, "I don't know. I was at work." He repeats this line whether or not the question has anything to do with where he was that night. I find that strange--or maybe his lawyer is coaching him to use that as a stock reply to everything asked. Anyone else notice this?

[?noanswer]

I don't think that this is what Cobra is about though. Remember he is doing this for free so he is not actually representing any client other than little Haleigh.

LP was doing it for free also. In addition, he put up $50,000 of his own money for bail. I surely hope Cobra has other clients. He will need to earn money to bill his bills. JMO

[Mimi428]

There was a woman on NG last night who was going on and on about her "feelings" about the case and how she had been on the phone a lot with LE telling them all about her "feelings."

I'm sorry, but what a waste of LE's time.

Did that make you want to tear your hair out, or what? I just groaned when I heard about that. I can't begin to think about what a freakin' WASTE of time it is to LE to have to sort through all the so-called 'tips' from idiots who need to talk about their own 'feelings'.

Marc Klaas made the most pertinent points last night, IMO - here is what he had to say on NG's show.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html
MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, first of all, Ron, my heart goes out to you, buddy. I know where you`re coming from and I know how you`re feeling right now.

But there`s a reality here that has to be dealt with, Nancy. Law enforcement runs parallel investigations in these cases. They`re investigating the family. They`re investigating friends, acquaintances, registered sex offenders. And then finally, they`re investigating the stranger scenario. And until they can eliminate the various players in that -- in those scenarios, they`re unable to then put the full force of their investigation towards what actually happened.

So it`s incumbent upon Misty -- and I think Ron has to impress this upon her -- to do whatever is necessary to eliminate her from suspicion, so law enforcement then can move forward. Otherwise this thing may never be solved, and certainly, that is not -- that`s not an acceptable conclusion to this case.

Later on in the show, Marc had this to say about Misty & inconsistencies...

GRACE: Not you. I`m asking you your thoughts on whether it`s conceivable that her inconsistencies were actually innocent.

KLAAS: Anything is possible. But I would -- I would caution everybody to understand that law enforcement has a massive task force working this case. And probably some of the best minds in the country on child abduction are involved and I don`t think that there -- it is anything I -- I don`t think that it`s any mistake that after Misty.

GRACE: Yes.

KLAAS: . for the last four, five weeks have said that she`s passed her test and she`s not under suspicion that she all of a sudden admits that there are inconsistencies and that law enforcement confirms that. I think that there are real reasons for having done that.

GRACE: Marc Klaas, I agree. John Lucich, weigh in.

JOHN LUCICH, INVESTIGATOR, AUTHOR OF "CYBER LIES": Look, I think a big part of why they took that door was to start looking at the inconsistencies in the statement. Was that door locked? Was there marks from the outside?

I think what they`re trying to do now, instead of like, Marc said before, when we have to -- when they cannot remove people from the investigation, that just takes too much time going in all of these different directions.

I think what they`re trying do is remove the world now and saying, let`s look inside of this trailer and see what happened. And I think that has a lot to do why -- because they`re going to be able to show that this place was not broken into, it was locked. Then it had to be somebody in the inside.

Five weeks out, I think Teresa is now trying to cope with knowing that Misty has not & will not cooperate with LE & Ron isn't really interested in pushing Misty to cooperate with LE. I think Teresa is suffering, I really do. But I think she is suffering from more than the grief of Haleigh being missing. JMOVNHO

[?noanswer]

I haven't been watching this case as much as I was in the beginning. I believe Haleigh is dead so I am hoping to just hear about charges being filed. The thing that I have noticed, however, is that each time Ron speaks he says, "I don't know. I was at work." He repeats this line whether or not the question has anything to do with where he was that night. I find that strange--or maybe his lawyer is coaching him to use that as a stock reply to everything asked. Anyone else notice this?

As far as I know he doesn't have a lawyer and I did not hear him say "I was at work" on NG's show last night. At least if he says this all the time, he cannot be accused of being "inconsistent". JMO

[IlliniFan]

CAN they?? WILL they??

I sure don't know what LE can tell Cobra...My guess is nothing, but I don't know for sure.

I am at this point hoping he can break the case. Like others, I am beginning to wonder if LE didn't bungle this case from the get go...I hate saying that, because we don't know what information they have....

So, Cobra figure this out...

[?noanswer]

Rember Lenny did turn on Casye when the evidence against her mounted and she would not help in the search for Caylee. And that took like what 5 days?

He sure did. JMO

[Riverwalk!]

I just saw a commercial on HLN.

Haleigh's mom will be on Nancy Grace tonight.

[?noanswer]

Sounded like it to me but then he added that you would have to ask them. lol


I think he said that the pastor that gave the interview about putting the lock on the door and that the floor squeaked did not live there. Said it was his parents and they both died. JMO

[Motomom]

What the heck is she telling LE? Why can she stand there and tell a reporter this story, yet with LE there are inconsistencies??

i'm curious about the inconsistencies too. What exactly are they? is it the bed issue, the phonecall issue, the bathroom issue, the blanket issue or what. I hope Le has requestioned her since the today show too. I'd like a real update from them.

[Mojen]

I'm sorry, but if a criminal were stupid enough to bring his own cinder block, he would have been caught by now. We are not talking about a brick, but a CINDER BLOCK. If you travel with your own door proppers, I can imagine many that make more sense....a door stop, brick, whatever happens to be on the porch, etc...

Dude, I wish!! Mine brought four and have never been caught! :cursing:

I mean dude in a dude! sort of way, not in a male (just in case your not a male) way. :smile:

[IlliniFan]

At one of their pressors LE said they have A LOT but they're not telling the public in order to preserve the integrity of the case. That was the day they called off the search after having had Misty in the house & she devulged that the missing child really didn't have on the pink shirt she said she was wearing. The pink shirt was found on the back porch.

I guess it just takes longer for LE to sort all this out. I know in the Scot Peterson case, I thought they'd never arrest him....It wasn't until Lacy and Conner were found....

[KKKKKKatie]

Okay...this is what I found. I really think it was on the news shows that are covering this story, but for some reason, I am having problems bringing up video. At any rate, this may have been where I got the idea:

CUMMINGS: Don`t have a clue. I don`t mess with none of that, so I don`t know. I very rarely am in the back yard at all unless I`m washing my car. So it could have came from around my shed. I`m renting. I don`t know if the previous renters had it or what, but I`ve never seen it, I don`t believe.

GRACE: So to your knowledge, you`ve never seen it.

CUMMINGS: Not that I believe. I mean, I may be mistaken and have seen it before, but I know it wasn`t where it`s at now.


He does not say it came from his yard or around his MH, but he says it is possible, and I thought there was a video shown of the back right side of the trailer where cinderblocks were haphazardly stacked, but since I can not work the video at the moment I can only say...

JMO

Oh and the link to this transcript is:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

Thanks liz! So cinder blocks could have been around and he just never noticed.

[Motomom]

Thanks liz! So cinder blocks could have been around and he just never noticed.

Yes Katie, and that is what ron had said. He wasn't aware of any.

[Motomom]

I know. It could be any and everything. LE cannot even get passed the timeline with Misty after over a month!! Makes no sense to run LE in circles at a time like this.

I go back to if I were Ron I'd be LIVID over that.. LIVID.. I'd have snatched her up by the back of her neck. I can see some things and misunderstandings, wrong wording but LE is saying how inconsistent she is. They need to put pressure on her or have a long talk with Ron and explain how inconsistent she is. At the same time, it is possible that she is the scapegoat because LE has no other suspects.

[Motomom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

Does anyone notice how TN claims the babies as her own? Who does that remind me of?

I get the impression that she feels like a star or something.. not TN, but Misty. I have no qualms about her calling the babies her own.. she is an active part of their day to day lives IMO.

[Mojen]

If you asked me if my doors were locked at all times, I would tell you yes, absolutely. I have been known to lock my son out when he is outside playing. I walk in a door and automatically lock it. Sometimes at others' homes. :blushing:

Anyway, some mornings I come downstairs and am MORTIFIED to discover I must have gone out the sliding glass door and not put the stick back in, or, my front door has been unlocked all night.

Of course, it could be something more sinister, too.

However, just because someone is insistent upon something and it turns out not to be true, doesn't mean they are lying, they could just be mistaken.

[?noanswer]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...133703&catid=3


Interview with Crystal's attorney. Says she is not trying to push custody issue. JMO

[Texas48]

Good morning, all. I thought the NG show was great in alot of respects. She asked some questions that we have been asking here over and over. I wondered about all the nose sniffing RC was doing and his almost blank yet somehow aggressive stare, I wondered if he had had a toot of coke before the interview, and I think his mother, bless her heart, is afraid of him for some reason. JMO, don't slam me, please, that was just my take on the interview. Also, Ron is not looking like he's melting away anymore, he seems to be regaining some strength.Morning ocean..perhaps Ron's new strength comes from thos great New York Pizzas. lol .. I also describes his look as aggresive as tho he was saying..."bring on those callers questions." His head and chin go up almost like on Today Show. NG knew TN was going to be there w/Ron and her (NG) words were IMO very gentle and then harsh when she spoke of Crystal. IMO NG has elected to..shall I say...choose sides..??? I was NOT impressed with the EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW.:thumbdown:

[teresa]

I was watching pretty closely, and I noticed that there was a delay from the time Nancy spoke to the time Ron and Teresa heard it and answered (I had my tv on pretty loud so I could try and transcribe last night on here which I learned is not my calling in life, anyway...) so when Nancy first started asking the question about who was there, Teresa was answering yes to the first person, did not hear the second person, and then said her mother was there. I do not think Teresa heard the cousin named, but Ron did and said he was not there.

GRACE: To Teresa Neves, Haleigh`s grandmother. Miss Neves, are you aware of anyone else in the home that evening? I don`t mean when they all go to bed, I mean earlier that evening.

NEVES: I heard there was a repairman there. My mother was actually over.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there. The cousin was there who police have investigated.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

Transcript of NG last night.

Teresa was saying yes ma'am at the same time that NG was saying the cousin, so Teresa could not have actually heard that one.

JMO

Exactly liznchas. I watched the interview 3 times and I agree that Nancy talked over Teresa and it made it confusing. Teresa was answering the first question, not the cousin one.

This is why things are so confusing...I wish someone would slowly go over the whole night with them, not interruptions or clarifying the question until after the answer. I am positive your interpretation is correct.

[FrankieBones1]

Couple of things...

If it were a crime of opportunity:

Could the cinder block have come from a neighbors yard?

Could a peeper/passerby have seen in Misty's window when she took the blanket down?

Reports earlier on in the case stated that there were several cinder blocks on the ground about 50 feet from the trailer.

[Texas48]

Just maybe to get the focus of this investigation off the couple themselves and move back to looking for HALEIGH CUMMINGS. JMO tho. If you search you will find much fodder about Ron and Misty. So now they are married and the public outcry should stop concerning their relationship given Misty's parents knew she was living there IMO. :thumbdown:Good morning Candy...So now Ron and Misty are married and the "public" will take the investigation will focus back on Haleigh. Lets start all over. Who was the last person to see Haleigh alive? How would you handle this discussion. Take it away.

[PerneciaJane]

Bolding mine.

Also, regarding the interview where Misty says she was 4 inches away from Haleigh and Ron says she was 4 feet away from Haleigh. I believe thiis discrepancy is because Misty was implying that Haleigh was in the same bed with her and Ron was implying she was in the toddler bed. This points to just one of many discrepancies in her story.
Respectfully snipped
.

In regards to the 4 inches and 4 feet I have always believed it was just an error when she said inches instead of feet. I think Misti was and is just really nervous. I do not think it is a discrepancy just an error.
My husband does the same thing when mentioning hundreds and thousands. He is not stupid but just makes that mistake a lot.
I just don't see that as a discrepancy.

[Mimi428]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

Does anyone notice how TN claims the babies as her own? Who does that remind me of?

Someone who cannot/will not face the idea that her own grown-up child is being deceptive. Someone who is so horrified at the thought that she has already lost one of her babies that she will do anything in her power to not 'lose' her adult child.

JMO

[Mojen]

In regards to the 4 inches and 4 feet I have always believed it was just an error when she said inches instead of feet. I think Misti was and is just really nervous. I do not think it is a discrepancy just an error.
My husband does the same thing when mentioning hundreds and thousands. He is not stupid but just makes that mistake a lot.
I just don't see that as a discrepancy.

My son's aunt has no idea how long a ruler is. She is a very nice person, but not intelligent AT ALL.

[FrankieBones1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

Does anyone notice how TN claims the babies as her own? Who does that remind me of?I didn't get that far yet. Did get as far as Misty telling the reporter that after she put Haleigh to bed at 8pm (she fell asleep at 8:30pm) then Misty says she washed blankets. She later put a blanket over Haleigh then she made up her (the queen size) bed and went to sleep.

How does she make up a bed with a young male toddler in it? She doesn't really speak about where Ron Jr. was.

[PerneciaJane]

GEE why would ANY parent SMOKE around a child that has asthma...next I bet you will tell me maybe they didn't smoke in the home and or around the kids. And MAYBE everyone is innocent in this case...right. The MORAL compass on all the parents/adults involved either directly or hundreds of miles away was WAY off and THAT my friends is what lead to this tragedy!!!

On another forum, a neighbor, said they do not smoke inside their home. They have a sofa on the porch and that is where they always smoke.

[mustangtoni]

If you asked me if my doors were locked at all times, I would tell you yes, absolutely. I have been known to lock my son out when he is outside playing. I walk in a door and automatically lock it. Sometimes at others' homes. :blushing:

Anyway, some mornings I come downstairs and am MORTIFIED to discover I must have gone out the sliding glass door and not put the stick back in, or, my front door has been unlocked all night.

Of course, it could be something more sinister, too.

However, just because someone is insistent upon something and it turns out not to be true, doesn't mean they are lying, they could just be mistaken.


I agree...I have found that a door is unlocked and I had thought I locked it the night before...and there has been times when the light was on...and I was sure I turned them off...

But I believe that I forgot to lock the door or turn the light off, because I got distracted by something...

I know I'm used to a habit before going to bed, and sometimes something just gets missed...

[FrankieBones1]

On another forum, a neighbor, said they do not smoke inside their home. They have a sofa on the porch and that is where they always smoke.
That is good to know.
It also squashes the idea that I had that Misty used the cinderblock at the back entrance to sneak out for the odd cigarette. There was no need to if she used the front porch for that.

[FrankieBones1]

And in another interview and i dont have a link but will look if needed she says she went to bed herself around 11pm.moo

Take into account the time it takes to wash blankets and the time in the dryer.

[CJSMOMMY]

*pinches everyone not wearing green* :D

On another forum, a neighbor, said they do not smoke inside their home. They have a sofa on the porch and that is where they always smoke.


Maybe Misty went out to smoke and had the door open to listen for the kids. She had to use the bathroom bad and ran in to use the one at the other end so as not to wake the kids. She went to bed and forgot about the door and left it propped open. Someone saw the door open and came and took Haleigh (if the neighbors can see the couch they probably can see the door open). Misty feels it is all her fault she forgot to shut the door and knows Ron will be furious and maybe blame her so she bends the truth?

[caphill]

snipped.
GRACE: To Barbara in Massachusetts, hi, Barbara.

BARBARA, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Hi, Nancy. This is an answer to prayer. I`ve been trying to get you for a month.

GRACE: Thank you.

BARBARA: I just have -- oh, I love you. I just have a quick comment and then a question. I just want to say that the answer to this mystery is the deadbolt and access to it. And I want to say that Misty said there were three men there that night. I think it was a nephew, cousin, a -- an air-conditioning repairman.

But anyway, any one of them could have unlocked that deadbolt, slipped her a sedative and left the house and come back later and gone in and gotten the child. I think it`s someone that knew them. I think it had to be someone who was there in the house that night.

And I`ve called the tip line and I`ve talked to detectives. This is how disturbed I am for this little girl.

GRACE: Let`s go to the source and find out. To Marlaina Schiavo, joining us from Satsuma.

Marlaina, who was in the home that evening?

SCHIAVO: Misty was in the home with the two children that evening, Nancy.

GRACE: Had there been visitors prior to that?

SCHIAVO: She had a cousin visiting from out of town earlier. And so he was in the home at some point, but we`re still trying to figure out exactly how that`s all pieced together, Nancy.

GRACE: To Teresa Neves, Haleigh`s grandmother. Miss Neves, are you aware of anyone else in the home that evening? I don`t mean when they all go to bed, I mean earlier that evening.

NEVES: I heard there was a repairman there. My mother was actually over.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there. The cousin was there who police have investigated.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

GRACE: For what reason?

CUMMINGS: My cousin went in there.

NEVES: She brought some clean clothes over.

GRACE: OK.

NEVES: She had some of the kid`s clothes at her house and she had washed them and brought them over. That was sometime between 7:00 and 8:00 p.m. that night.
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There is an error in this transcript. With the delay in audio and Nancy talking over TN the answer to the cousin being there was lost. Ron corrected it by saying the cousin was not there. This is not my opinion, I heard what he said.

Nowhere, in all the interviews that I have heard, have I ever heard Misty or anyone directly involved said the cousin was at the house that night.

This is prime example of how misinformation gets repeated over and over again.

[msgatorslayer]

I agree...I have found that a door is unlocked and I had thought I locked it the night before...and there has been times when the light was on...and I was sure I turned them off...

But I believe that I forgot to lock the door or turn the light off, because I got distracted by something...

I know I'm used to a habit before going to bed, and sometimes something just gets missed...

I cannot figure out how my garage door was left open yesterday.

When I was leaving, the dog across the street walked into the garage. He likes my dog, lol. The neighbor gal had to walk over and get her dog out. As soon as she did, I pressed the button and watched the garage door shut.

30 minutes later or so, Mr.Gator gets home and calls me asking why I left the garage door open.

Remains a mystery!!! Did I accidentally click the button one to many times? Don't know.

But I was positive that door was shut when I left.

[odyssey]

I was so sure it was the pastor who was on the live phone interview who said he and his wife lived there. He said impossible to walk in that house without making noise. that the floor squeaked easily. He didn't say it as if a person would have to be heavy to make noise.

There was a pastor who lived there about ten years ago as a renter. he had the short nine year old and put in a slide lock that was later removed.

The home itself is owned by another pastor who bought it originally for his parents who died before they began renting it to anyone.

there have been other tenants in there since the pastor that was interviewed. One of the last renters there is on the sex offender registry. He now lives in another Florida town and was living in the mobile home in 2007 and possibly 2008.

WE know these things because we have done research. i doubt Ronald has researched previous tenants of the home. I'd be interested in knowing if Nancy knows there was a member of the sex offender registry who once lived in that home but it may well not be relevant.

jmoo

[odyssey]

I wonder if there were no other blankets in that home.

Not sure .. but there are three blankets in my home. Two of the size to fit only over my son and one that will fit over both of us.

[5boxersmom]

Wasn't NG suppose to have something on last night about a clue found along the road? Was anything like that even mention? If so I totally missed it.

imo

[Mimi428]

On another forum, a neighbor, said they do not smoke inside their home. They have a sofa on the porch and that is where they always smoke.

Did the neighbor say how they knew that?

I have seen my mother's neighbor smoke outside a lot of times. She has a little table & chair out there, ashtray, etc. She is oftentimes reading something while she is there.

But it doesn't mean she never smokes in her own house. Before I can believe neither Ron nor Misty ever smoked in the house I would have to have more to go on than a neighbor saying they have a sofa on the porch & have been seen on the porch smoking.

JMO

[odyssey]

On another forum, a neighbor, said they do not smoke inside their home. They have a sofa on the porch and that is where they always smoke.

Also if you look at the pictures and videos of the home you will see no ash trays which is further evidence there was no smoking in their home.


jmoo

[Owlface]

"GRACE: So when you pull up -- when you pull up, she`s still looking?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely.

GRACE: OK. All right. I get it.

RONALD CUMMINGS: I told her to call 911 while I turned the house upside-down.

GRACE: I get.

RONALD CUMMINGS: You call 911, I`ll turn the house upside-down."

From last nights show.

Except that he wasn't turning the house upside-down - we can clearly hearing him rant while Misty is talking to the 911 operator.

[odyssey]

Did the neighbor say how they knew that?

I have seen my mother's neighbor smoke outside a lot of times. She has a little table & chair out there, ashtray, etc. She is oftentimes reading something while she is there.

But it doesn't mean she never smokes in her own house. Before I can believe neither Ron nor Misty ever smoked in the house I would have to have more to go on than a neighbor saying they have a sofa on the porch & have been seen on the porch smoking.

JMO

Does your mother have ashtrays in the house? Because i did not see any in their home.

[Riverwalk!]

There is an error in this transcript. With the delay in audio and Nancy talking over TN the answer to the cousin being there was lost. Ron corrected it by saying the cousin was not there. This is not my opinion, I heard what he said.

Nowhere, in all the interviews that I have heard, have I ever heard Misty or anyone directly involved said the cousin was at the house that night.

This is prime example of how misinformation gets repeated over and over again.

IA. Here's the video, though poor quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKi243KPxsQ

[Exiled.]

I cannot figure out how my garage door was left open yesterday.

When I was leaving, the dog across the street walked into the garage. He likes my dog, lol. The neighbor gal had to walk over and get her dog out. As soon as she did, I pressed the button and watched the garage door shut.

30 minutes later or so, Mr.Gator gets home and calls me asking why I left the garage door open.

Remains a mystery!!! Did I accidentally click the button one to many times? Don't know.

But I was positive that door was shut when I left.



My cat does this all the time. I will leave and shut the garage door with the remote control. While its shutting the cat will run out and be detected by the sensor, which then automatically opens the door. I have learned to wait and watch it shut completely.

[caphill]

Absolutely correct. Anyone can have a rap sheet long as main st. and still be innocent in any given other crime.

The only reason I speak of Misty being 17 is because that's one fact of this case. Another fact is Ron's taudry arrest record. I know it doesn't mean he is guilty of any wrongdoing in his daughter's disappearance but they are still facts having to do with the circumstances surrounding this case. The missing child's father has a history of violence and drug use. so does the bio-mom used drugs in the past. shrug

Doesn't mean any of them are guilty of anything having to do with this case, but impossible to discuss the facts of the case by pretending they aren't real.


There is a history of Crystal and her family saying Ron has a history of drug use, dealing and etc. If you read the transcripts of the custody hearing in 12-05 you will see that the accusation of Ron doing drugs was debunked by his presentation of his drug test that was negative. There is no history of Ron being convicted of the drug charges.

IIRC, there may be a record of pot possession in 2002? If that date and info is incorrect I am sure someone can correct me.

[odyssey]

"GRACE: So when you pull up -- when you pull up, she`s still looking?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely.

GRACE: OK. All right. I get it.

RONALD CUMMINGS: I told her to call 911 while I turned the house upside-down.

GRACE: I get.

RONALD CUMMINGS: You call 911, I`ll turn the house upside-down."

From last nights show.

Except that he wasn't turning the house upside-down - we can clearly hearing him rant while Misty is talking to the 911 operator.


You can also hear him searching .. his voice fades .. you hear doors opening .. in the original non bleeped 911 recording you could anyway.

jmoo

[Owlface]

Also if you look at the pictures and videos of the home you will see no ash trays which is further evidence there was no smoking in their home.


jmoo

I'm not a smoker but I occasionally smoke and I don't own an ashtray - a soda can works just fine. I would hope people with small children would not have dirty stinking ashtrays inside their home.

[5boxersmom]

IA. Here's the video, though poor quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKi243KPxsQ

TY. :thumbsup:

[PerneciaJane]

At one of their pressors LE said they have A LOT but they're not telling the public in order to preserve the integrity of the case. That was the day they called off the search after having had Misty in the house & she devulged that the missing child really didn't have on the pink shirt she said she was wearing. The pink shirt was found on the back porch.
In all due respect there is no back porch. The pink shirt was in the laundry pile in the utility room by the back door.

[Riverwalk!]

TY. :thumbsup:

YW and Hi.

[cat3]

I just can't believe that someone would not have come forward by now if Misty was away from the house that night.

Maybe not if Misty was visiting family or a very good friend.I'm fairly certain her parents will back her no matter what.It seems they have let her pretty much do what ever she wants.IMO

Not sure how close her family lives.I thought someone posted that Misty's brother lives about a block away from Ron's home?

[Texas48]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

Does anyone notice how TN claims the babies as her own? Who does that remind me of? What do alot of the details in this case remind you of ??:thumbsup:

[Mimi428]

Oh, my, that doesn't sound good......

I was not able to watch NG last night, I have only read the transcript & read what was written here by the people who did watch it. Perhaps someone can clarify if Teresa was getting more sniffly by the minute, seemed more upset as the show went on, etc. I do know many people remarked about how her sniffling was so pronounced that it was somewhat distracting & that she looked very bad, very upset, etc.

Teresa had to have heard the comments by Marc Klaas & the others. How LE becomes hogtied if they cannot clear up the peripheral issues & inconsistencies, how it wastes their resources, etc.

Five weeks out, I think it is killing Teresa to realize that the investigation is being hampered by her new daughter-in-law & that her own son does give enough of a crap to muster up the gumption to confront his child bride, walk her happy azz to LE & say to her, "don't come out until these investigators have told me that YOUR inconsistencies have been cleared up".

I am not a violent person, but if I was within 3 feet of the person who last saw my missing loved one - & who has been identified by LE as being unable, unwilling, incapable of clearing up all sorts of inconsistencies after 30 HOURS of being interviewed - that person would be begging to be removed from my presence & taken to the investigators to talk until it was all cleared up.

JMO

[Former Juror]

Mimi, I am not a huge fan of Ronald and his family, but I felt like Teresa Neves' tears were genuine last night. I think she is grieving the disappearance of Haleigh while wrestling with suspicions surrounding her son and especially Misty. She looked to me like a broken woman last night with the weight of the world on her shoulders.

I think she is coming to terms with the fact that her first impressions of this case might very well be wrong.

IMO

[spageddy]

[QUOTE=caphill;12901601]There is an error in this transcript. With the delay in audio and Nancy talking over TN the answer to the cousin being there was lost. Ron corrected it by saying the cousin was not there. This is not my opinion, I heard what he said.

Nowhere, in all the interviews that I have heard, have I ever heard Misty or anyone directly involved said the cousin was at the house that night.

This is prime example of how misinformation gets repeated over and
when NG says there was a repairman & a cousin at the house, TN says "yes ma'am", and then goes on to say that her mother was also there.
Ron says MY cousin was not there. Who are we talking about- Misty's cousin, or Ron's cousin?
Has anyone checked to see if the repairman is also a cousin? (JK)

[Mimi428]

Does your mother have ashtrays in the house? Because i did not see any in their home.

No, my mother does not have any ashtrays in her house. She doesn't smoke.

Her neighbor (the one I see smoking outside) has one ashtray outside on her porch & the last time I was in her house I saw another ashtray on her kitchen counter. I do not know about the rest of the house.

I believe that if they did smoke in the house, that there was no reason whatsoever that any ashtray could NOT have been washed & put away before the home tour.

Maybe they never smoke in the house, I don't know. But I can't accept seeing them smoking on the porch as irrefutable evidence that they never smoke in the house.

JMO

[shellzbi]

I was not able to watch NG last night, I have only read the transcript & read what was written here by the people who did watch it. Perhaps someone can clarify if Teresa was getting more sniffly by the minute, seemed more upset as the show went on, etc. I do know many people remarked about how her sniffling was so pronounced that it was somewhat distracting & that she looked very bad, very upset, etc.

Teresa had to have heard the comments by Marc Klaas & the others. How LE becomes hogtied if they cannot clear up the peripheral issues & inconsistencies, how it wastes their resources, etc.

Five weeks out, I think it is killing Teresa to realize that the investigation is being hampered by her new daughter-in-law & that her own son does give enough of a crap to muster up the gumption to confront his child bride, walk her happy azz to LE & say to her, "don't come out until these investigators have told me that YOUR inconsistencies have been cleared up".

I am not a violent person, but if I was within 3 feet of the person who last saw my missing loved one - & who has been identified by LE as being unable, unwilling, incapable of clearing up all sorts of inconsistencies after 30 HOURS of being interviewed - that person would be begging to be removed from my presence & taken to the investigators to talk until it was all cleared up.

JMO

Very well stated. They should be hammering away at Misty at this point.

Should have been done sooner. JMO

[caphill]

IA. Here's the video, though poor quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKi243KPxsQ


The actual airing of the show doesn't have the same poor quality of the youtube. Though the camera is not on Ron you can hear him say the cousin wasn't there in the youtube clip.

The only person that said the cousin had been visiting was some reporter that Nancy puts up for comment. I don't know why Nancy would have a reporter report who was there earlier when she had Ron and his mother sitting there to answer that question.

[caphill]

[QUOTE=caphill;12901601]There is an error in this transcript. With the delay in audio and Nancy talking over TN the answer to the cousin being there was lost. Ron corrected it by saying the cousin was not there. This is not my opinion, I heard what he said.

Nowhere, in all the interviews that I have heard, have I ever heard Misty or anyone directly involved said the cousin was at the house that night.

This is prime example of how misinformation gets repeated over and
when NG says there was a repairman & a cousin at the house, TN says "yes ma'am", and then goes on to say that her mother was also there.
Ron says MY cousin was not there. Who are we talking about- Misty's cousin, or Ron's cousin?
Has anyone checked to see if the repairman is also a cousin? (JK)

With audio delay it was apparent to me that TN said "yes ma'am" to a part of what Nancy was saying and Nancy then continue with her statement of the cousin being there.

Can anyone find or direct me to a link anywhere that Misty says her cousin or any cousin was at the house that day or evening?

[Deb7]

Does your mother have ashtrays in the house? Because i did not see any in their home.

Who would set out ashtrays for a walkthru of their home that the whole world would see?

NO ONE

JMO

BTW now that I think about it, my mom would always have to get out the ashtray for my dad when I was growing up, so not everyone leaves them laying around like decoration.

Again, JMO.

[PerneciaJane]

Did the neighbor say how they knew that?

I have seen my mother's neighbor smoke outside a lot of times. She has a little table & chair out there, ashtray, etc. She is oftentimes reading something while she is there.

But it doesn't mean she never smokes in her own house. Before I can believe neither Ron nor Misty ever smoked in the house I would have to have more to go on than a neighbor saying they have a sofa on the porch & have been seen on the porch smoking.

JMO

Neighbor was friends with them and did not smoke himself so they had discussed it.

[spageddy]

Very well stated. They should be hammering away at Misty at this point.

Should have been done sooner. JMO
I find it difficult to believe that if Ron suspected Misty of knowing something that he didn't know - he would be hammering
away. If misty knows anything, Ron does too. JMO,MOO.

I'm trying to refrain from making a snarky comment about who's hammering who-

[Former Juror]

[QUOTE=spageddy;12901732]

With audio delay it was apparent to me that TN said "yes ma'am" to a part of what Nancy was saying and Nancy then continue with her statement of the cousin being there.

Can anyone find or direct me to a link anywhere that Misty says her cousin or any cousin was at the house that day or evening?

I've watched it twice, and I could be wrong. But, I still think TN says 'yes' to the cousin being there because Ron, much more softly, attempts to correct her. His response was not a loud, direct response to NG.

IMO

[CJSMOMMY]

I don't think it's killing Teresa Neves at all and further more, I believe she enables both Ron and Misty to tell mistruths and give out false information as witnessed last night on NG, among countless other interviews where they give inconsistent statements. Truth be told, I wish Teresa would remain more in the background and bring the hammer down on her son as well as Misty. When ng and tn were doing the mobile home tour, even tn couldn't answer why or what bathroom Misty was going to use. Like none of them have discussed what happened that night except when it comes to interviews. And for what reason ng blew by Ronald stating the cousin wasn't there that night, who knows, but she missed a huge opportunity imo.

I also noticed Teresa's crying & sniffling throughout the entire interview. But what brought my hinky meter up is Teresa had a stone cold sober look on her face and then ng asks Ron to make his plea for Haleigh, whereupon *cue the tears* Teresa starts crying all over again. I get that she is extremely upset, as anyone would be, it just seems to me that Teresa has this crying act nailed down to a science. I don't buy her story either and am pretty tired of her frying Crystal with her insinuations that somehow, Misty is the better "mom" here.

Just my opinions though, only my opinions.


IMO that part just got her emotional again.I don't think she was cueing tears. I was watching NG and was fine but when NG asked Ron what his day was like and he said he hugs his son tight and kisses him,I believe were his words, I looked at my son and started crying myself not wanting to imagine what it would be like to have a child missing.

[Mimi428]

Neighbor was friends with them and did not smoke himself so they had discussed it.

Thanks for the clarification - very much appreciated!

:seeya:

[spageddy]

Miss Nancy asked where Jr was, but I don't think she asked where Miss Misty was. Just wondering why.

[Mimi428]

I find it difficult to believe that if Ron suspected Misty of knowing something that he didn't know - he would be h@mmering
away. If misty knows anything, Ron does too. JMO,MOO.

I'm trying to refrain from making a snarky comment about who's h@mmering who-

ITA, I think Ron knows why Misty is being inconsistent.

I think Teresa is being tormented by the dawning realization that her son, whom I am sure she loves very much, is repeatedly demonstrating that he can't or won't confront Misty about the flaws in her story to LE.

I'm sure Teresa has heard all about the comments that LE made about Misty & her inconsistencies - & she was present while Marc Klaas stated & reiterated that in order for LE to properly investigate, they MUST get Misty's inconsistencies cleared up.

JMO

[CJSMOMMY]

You may be right and I may be completely wrong and so far off the mark where it concerns Teresa Neves. However, my gut feeling about this grandma is that she knows what happened to Haleigh and although it doesn't please her to know that she will never be with Haleigh again, she does have to protect and look out for Ron and his new wife. It's my opinion that Teresa has covered Ron's butt on many occasions, this time is no different.

The one thing I'd like to find out is why Teresa was even on the show in the first place, why no Misty and why didn't Nancy Grace clear up where Misty was? Obviously most questions are directed to Misty, so why not have her there? The questions NG had for Ron concerning Misty went unanswered by Ron or else he'd give a "I don't know Miss Nancy" answer. :rolleyes:

moo

Yeah I got tickled everytime he said that.

[teresa]

I am concerned that LE have bungled this case from the get go.
How do you mess up everyones dna? Why wait a month and after the CS has been released to remove the door? A month to search that dumpster and with the dog hits why not try to collect some evidence just because you didnt find bones? I hope if they are relying on Misti its for bigger inconsistencies than just was Haleigh on the youth mattress or the big bed and which pot do you pee in.
Not defending Misti because she may know more than she is telling but I also hope she isnt being the scapegoat because she isnt too bright because they dont have a clue what has happened.
Gosh I hope something happens soon.
At this point until more is released everyone is a suspect.
Also why wasnt that mattress taken and checks for hair fibers etc?

Playnice, I wonder about the DNA, too. When they came the second time, didn't they take it from a lot more people? Like extended family from both sides? I wonder if they didn't retake Misty and Ron at the same time so that they didn't give away that they were really wanting it from other specific people and didn't want them suspicious about it.

[Motomom]

snipped

I also noticed Teresa's crying & sniffling throughout the entire interview. But what brought my hinky meter up is Teresa had a stone cold sober look on her face and then ng asks Ron to make his plea for Haleigh, whereupon *cue the tears* Teresa starts crying all over again. I get that she is extremely upset, as anyone would be, it just seems to me that Teresa has this crying act nailed down to a science. I don't buy her story either and am pretty tired of her frying Crystal with her insinuations that somehow, Misty is the better "mom" here.

Just my opinions though, only my opinions.

So there's the real problem LOL.. you dont' like TN because of what she has said in regards to misty being a better mom.. Crystal was the mom 4 days month, my bet is TN was more of a mother than Crystal.. it is what it is.

I cannot believe that anybody who watched NG last night could think that TN is is not broken over this. She is one of the few that have shown genuine emotion and has actually shed real tears for this child in most of her interviews.

It's a good thing I can seperate the characters of this story.

[CANDYKISSES]

i'm curious about the inconsistencies too. What exactly are they? is it the bed issue, the phonecall issue, the bathroom issue, the blanket issue or what. I hope Le has requestioned her since the today show too. I'd like a real update from them.

Don't hold your breath Motomom. :bored:

[CJSMOMMY]

Playnice, I wonder about the DNA, too. When they came the second time, didn't they take it from a lot more people? Like extended family from both sides? I wonder if they didn't retake Misty and Ron at the same time so that they didn't give away that they were really wanting it from other specific people and didn't want them suspicious about it.

Ok Im gonna be mean but .....it may turn out they are all kin.:blushing:

[Mimi428]

Yeah I got tickled everytime he said that.

Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

You notice he wasn't even half so polite while he was addressing Meredith on the Today Show.

JMO

[caphill]

[QUOTE=caphill;12901601]There is an error in this transcript. With the delay in audio and Nancy talking over TN the answer to the cousin being there was lost. Ron corrected it by saying the cousin was not there. This is not my opinion, I heard what he said.

Nowhere, in all the interviews that I have heard, have I ever heard Misty or anyone directly involved said the cousin was at the house that night.

This is prime example of how misinformation gets repeated over and
when NG says there was a repairman & a cousin at the house, TN says "yes ma'am", and then goes on to say that her mother was also there.
Ron says MY cousin was not there. Who are we talking about- Misty's cousin, or Ron's cousin?
Has anyone checked to see if the repairman is also a cousin? (JK)


Are we listening to the same tape? Ron said "the cousin woudn't there". You bolded "MY" cousin. Maybe if you listen again you will hear what he actually said.

[CANDYKISSES]

There were also cinderblocks in the yard too. I think thats where that block may have came from imo

Yes there were, and liz was correct in what she was remembering as I can remember that part as well. I believe Ron said he wasn't aware of cinder blocks in the back. JMO

[PerneciaJane]

But we don't know that he didn't look outside. It is being assumed.

Plus he was outside when LE arrived.

[spageddy]

NG went on a 60 second speel about how there will be a time and place to discuss Ron and his dating an underaged girl, then bounces right back with grilling him about it. Whats going on with her anymore??

I think- and this is just my little pea-brained opinion- that NG was warming Ronald up so she can have him back if there are ever any REAL "Bombshells". She seemed to be on his side...sorta...
And at this point, what kind of tough questions can anyone ask him ? We already know that he dunno and he wasn't there. And we know he was at work, and he dunno. I hope I'm right. I miss the old NG (pre -Duckett) when she would really put people on the spot.

[kitty1182]

So who told her she couldn't be on, do you think, the family?

Probally her new hubby...:glare:

[Mojen]

I really, really wish I could see what most everyone else see's in Teresa Neves. But I just don't. Last night on the ng interview, as Ronald was giving his plea (or half a** attempt at it) to bring Haleigh home, not a tear shed by Ronald, no sunken shoulders, just a dull "please bring my daughter home" while I understand it is a plea he and Crystal have had to make many a times, I just don't understand the monotone used and the almost nonchalant way of presenting it. Meanwhile, Teresa is sobbing (which is what Ron should be doing imo) and Ron can't even so much as grab Teresa's hand, or give a hug, or show any emotion. Instead, he looks off to the distance and she sits there sobbing, yet again.

If Ron was this rockstar of a dad that he and others claim him to be, why can he not hold his mothers hand when clearly she is emotionally unstrung? You would think any stranger would have grabbed her hand or hugged her during this time, yet nada from Ronald. I just find these people to be way off when it comes to Haleigh and I think Ron, Misty and Teresa know what happened. As long as they keep saying "I don't know" they're not lying, right? Why wouldn't Ron know about Misty's inconsistencies and beyond that, why would he marry her?

jmo moo imo

Are you saying you think they are in collusion because they don't react the way you think they should?

[mustangtoni]

Plus he was outside when LE arrived.

And where was Jr. during all this time???? Did he sleep thru it all? Was he there when LE showed up? I haven't heard a word about Jr...You'd think he'd be up and crying, because of all the screaming and talking...

[spageddy]

Ok Im gonna be mean but .....it may turn out they are all kin.:blushing:

Ya' know, I didn't wanna be the one to say it. I don't think they've been rotating the crops.

[Mojen]

If I ever end up on NG, the first words out of my mouth would be...."Your twins are adorable Nancy!". Then I'm in the clear.

I'm sorry, but this is hilarious. :biggrin:

The way she pronounces Caylee and Haleigh drives me CRAZY!

[Babes]

Things i want LE to answer for now :

1. Did Joe visited Misty and Ron's house the night Haleigh vanished?
2. Where is the Gun that Misty claimed Joe and Ron are fighting for? Is this a registered gun? Where is this now? Was this taken by LE for any forensic testing?

[PerneciaJane]

So there's the real problem LOL.. you dont' like TN because of what she has said in regards to misty being a better mom.. Crystal was the mom 4 days month, my bet is TN was more of a mother than Crystal.. it is what it is.

I cannot believe that anybody who watched NG last night could think that TN is is not broken over this. She is one of the few that have shown genuine emotion and has actually shed real tears for this child in most of her interviews.

It's a good thing I can seperate the characters of this story.

Not only that but TN and RC are not mud slinging in all this. TN and RC are the two who have noticeably lost lots of weight. They provided the most care for both Haleigh and JR. I just can't see them covering for anyone that they believe took or hurt Haleigh.

[Babes]

No, I am saying that it is my belief and opinion that Teresa knows just as much about the night Haleigh disappeared as Ron & Misty do. Their lack of emotional support and behavior is just a sidenote that I observed and brought up here.

Teresa agreed with NG last night that the cousin was there, yet Ron adamantly denies it, why?

mooI think Ron is denying joe is there because of the "GUN" - maybe the gun doesnt have a license or not registered - or maybe that GUN is even stolen ..Ron can be in trouble with that GUN. IMO....

[spageddy]

[QUOTE=spageddy;12901732]


Are we listening to the same tape? Ron said "the cousin woudn't there". You bolded "MY" cousin. Maybe if you listen again you will hear what he actually said.
Oh, sorry- I was reading frim the transcript which said "My cousin went in there" (?)

[noahbaby]

I really, really wish I could see what most everyone else see's in Teresa Neves. But I just don't. Last night on the ng interview, as Ronald was giving his plea (or half a** attempt at it) to bring Haleigh home, not a tear shed by Ronald, no sunken shoulders, just a dull "please bring my daughter home" while I understand it is a plea he and Crystal have had to make many a times, I just don't understand the monotone used and the almost nonchalant way of presenting it. Meanwhile, Teresa is sobbing (which is what Ron should be doing imo) and Ron can't even so much as grab Teresa's hand, or give a hug, or show any emotion. Instead, he looks off to the distance and she sits there sobbing, yet again.

If Ron was this rockstar of a dad that he and others claim him to be, why can he not hold his mothers hand when clearly she is emotionally unstrung? You would think any stranger would have grabbed her hand or hugged her during this time, yet nada from Ronald. I just find these people to be way off when it comes to Haleigh and I think Ron, Misty and Teresa know what happened. As long as they keep saying "I don't know" they're not lying, right? Why wouldn't Ron know about Misty's inconsistencies and beyond that, why would he marry her?

jmo moo imo
I never thought of that, although sub-consciously I did think the entire interview was strange - something was def off. Ron did not look like a father who was grieving - compare this to his first few interviews/screen shots. Of course, this was in the beginning & he (IMO) was def hammered.:tongueside:

Also, When NG asked how he starts and finishes his day, if it were me, I would have been bawling my eyes out from the get-go. And I agree, Mother Nieves knows more and IMO - is an enabler of sorts. MOO.

[Mojen]

No, I am saying that it is my belief and opinion that Teresa knows just as much about the night Haleigh disappeared as Ron & Misty do. Their lack of emotional support and behavior is just a sidenote that I observed and brought up here.

Teresa agreed with NG last night that the cousin was there, yet Ron adamantly denies it, why?

moo

Thanks for clarifying. I agree with the first part of your statement, however, I think we are on differing sides of the fence. I don't believe any of them know what is up.

I think there was a miscommunication re: the cousin comments. They were talking over each other.

[kitty1182]

Excellent question. They certainly didn't leave him sleeping in bed if they thought a predator was lurking about?

If I had been Misty, Jr. would have been right by my side when Ron got home, not still in the bed..I would have grabbed him up FAST!!!!!

[Babes]

I would hope that getting in trouble for a gun, or drugs, or anything would pale in comparison to a missing daughter. I'm sure Ron would go to jail in exchange for a found haleigh.


all they have to do is clear the information whether Joe is there or not IMO.

[Motomom]

And where was Jr. during all this time???? Did he sleep thru it all? Was he there when LE showed up? I haven't heard a word about Jr...You'd think he'd be up and crying, because of all the screaming and talking...

I don't necessarily think he'd be up screaming and crying.. most likely scared and fearful of what was going on around him.

But I don't get why we haven't heard about what he was doing either..

[cat3]

I really, really wish I could see what most everyone else see's in Teresa Neves. But I just don't. Last night on the ng interview, as Ronald was giving his plea (or half a** attempt at it) to bring Haleigh home, not a tear shed by Ronald, no sunken shoulders, just a dull "please bring my daughter home" while I understand it is a plea he and Crystal have had to make many a times, I just don't understand the monotone used and the almost nonchalant way of presenting it. Meanwhile, Teresa is sobbing (which is what Ron should be doing imo) and Ron can't even so much as grab Teresa's hand, or give a hug, or show any emotion. Instead, he looks off to the distance and she sits there sobbing, yet again.

If Ron was this rockstar of a dad that he and others claim him to be, why can he not hold his mothers hand when clearly she is emotionally unstrung? You would think any stranger would have grabbed her hand or hugged her during this time, yet nada from Ronald. I just find these people to be way off when it comes to Haleigh and I think Ron, Misty and Teresa know what happened. As long as they keep saying "I don't know" they're not lying, right? Why wouldn't Ron know about Misty's inconsistencies and beyond that, why would he marry her?

jmo moo imo

In my opinion it is a case of one person trying to stay strong.At least that has been my experience with tragic events.One person usually has to stay strong in stressful times.I did see a few times during the interview when Ron was getting a bit emotional,such as when the locks were being discussed,and he said he changed them because he didn't want anything bad to happen.I noticed again toward the end of the interview when NG asked him how he ended his day,and he mentioned that he hugs Jr and has him in his bed.I think he was having a hard time not breaking down.As far as comforting his mother.....maybe he was trying to put a distance between them so he could stay strong and not start blubbering....just a thought.Maybe it is just another day of seeing his mother cry about Haleigh.
I don't think TN knows what happened to Haleigh.As far as Ron trusting Misty enough to marry her.......I have a problem with that as well.IMO

[Motomom]

Not only that but TN and RC are not mud slinging in all this. TN and RC are the two who have noticeably lost lots of weight. They provided the most care for both Haleigh and JR. I just can't see them covering for anyone that they believe took or hurt Haleigh.

That's pretty much how I feel. Not that it isn't possible Ron is involved, but Theresa is NO Cindy Anthony. IMO

[sickntired]

If I ever end up on NG, the first words out of my mouth would be...."Your twins are adorable Nancy!". Then I'm in the clear.

:laugh::lol:

[CANDYKISSES]

There is an error in this transcript. With the delay in audio and Nancy talking over TN the answer to the cousin being there was lost. Ron corrected it by saying the cousin was not there. This is not my opinion, I heard what he said.

Nowhere, in all the interviews that I have heard, have I ever heard Misty or anyone directly involved said the cousin was at the house that night.

This is prime example of how misinformation gets repeated over and over again.

Not to mention the idea of this person calling the TIP LINE and TALKING TO DETECTIVES with something as preposterous as how she seems to have it all figured out....

"But anyway, any one of them could have unlocked that deadbolt, slipped her a sedative and left the house and come back later and gone in and gotten the child. I think it`s someone that knew them. I think it had to be someone who was there in the house that night.

And I`ve called the tip line and I`ve talked to detectives. This is how disturbed I am for this little girl." - Barbara/Calling in on NG 3/16-09

Can you imagine what these detectives are really getting in the way of tips?:scared:

[Babes]

But therein lies the problem for me. See, if there was an illegal gun, if there were illegal drugs, by now I would have come clean with it all. Wouldn't anybody? Send me to jail, do whatever you have to do to me, but if this information helps find my daughter, than so be it. I cannot understand at this point of the investigation, why running off to get married would be more important than giving every single bit of information over to le and why someone would marry that same person who was babysitting my children the night one of them disappeared without grilling them down to the last fingernail of information, is beyond me.

moo

That's why this case is going to be difficult to solve if LE cant get inside true informations from them ....Illegal drugs... illegal guns - many more people will be involved - i think this is happening but for them to admit it? I dont know about that --

[KKKKKKatie]

Whoa don't know what that was but my McAffee blocked it for potential virus.....that doesn't happen very often


this person is posting this link on several threads....don't open it!

[Babes]

More trouble than he is now? Doesn't make sense.

Then where is the gun?

[Motomom]

Excellent question. They certainly didn't leave him sleeping in bed if they thought a predator was lurking about?

I think that would have been the safest place for him at that time, if Ron and misty were in the house. I'd rather him sleep in bed then be running around, with all of that commotion. I'm pretty sure no predator was lurking about who had Haleigh at that point, at least not in the home. They would have heard something if he were.. he was long gone IMO.

Wonder what time the last train ran through there and what kind.

[spageddy]

And where was Jr. during all this time???? Did he sleep thru it all? Was he there when LE showed up? I haven't heard a word about Jr...You'd think he'd be up and crying, because of all the screaming and talking...

Good question. Maybe someone will think to ask it the next time Ronald gives an "exclusive".
It would also be good to nail down the answer to Who was in the home that day & night? Which cousin, nephew, uncle, was it- if it was any?Also did ggma have any sense that someone had been there before her- or maybe someone other than Misty was stll there? Extra glasses, dishes- anything like that?

[sickntired]

Somehow I just don't see Ron as tip toeing around Misty. I think he has more than asked her what happened that night. I think Ron is definately wearing the pants in that relationship.

[KKKKKKatie]

Thanks, KKKKKKatie, did someone report this person?


Yes I did....and I think CE did also

[Babes]

Yet you have LE stating that they are satisfied with what Ron has told them, then on the other hand being IMO not at all satisfied with what Misty has told them.

I think LE are not satisfied of all the informations they are getting from everyone. But of course they are still investigating and they wanted to get more details as much as they can... if they show Ron that they suspect him then Ron will not give them a chance to investigate them - all they can do is shut up for now and let LE do their own investigation without their help IMO.

[Motomom]

If you think there's a pred, you would worry about the bedroom window, right? I'd have all my kids glued to me.

Yeah I can see that.. but we know the predator was gone, because he wasn't found. Misty looked through the house (which I would say I would have been scared to do) ron gets home looks through the house, it's only reasonable to assume they had looked outside too. Once all of that was done, IF junior was still sleeping, no I would not wake him. I'd probably double check the lock on the window and stuck close to the room but I wouldnt' have woken him.

[spageddy]

uh-oh, anyone else get pm from "canada Pm?

[PerneciaJane]

In my opinion it is a case of one person trying to stay strong.At least that has been my experience with tragic events.One person usually has to stay strong in stressful times.I did see a few times during the interview when Ron was getting a bit emotional,such as when the locks were being discussed,and he said he changed them because he didn't want anything bad to happen.I noticed again toward the end of the interview when NG asked him how he ended his day,and he mentioned that he hugs Jr and has him in his bed.I think he was having a hard time not breaking down.As far as comforting his mother.....maybe he was trying to put a distance between them so he could stay strong and not start blubbering....just a thought.Maybe it is just another day of seeing his mother cry about Haleigh.
I don't think TN knows what happened to Haleigh.As far as Ron trusting Misty enough to marry her.......I have a problem with that as well.IMO

I do have a problem with the marriage but perhaps RC does trust Misti. He of all people would know how soundly she sleeps, if she would sleep through someone coming into the room. I really believe that night he thought he knew who took Haleigh. I still think they suspect the cousin but perhaps he feels if he keeps the pressure off the cousin he will return Haleigh safely. They are also probably being told by LE that the chances of finding an alive child are very slim after this amount of time.

[sickntired]

I want to know about that van. Every sort of thing about it. From the gash to Misty's parents statement about it. The parents just sent out major red flags when they were trying to explain to media about that gash.

I also want to know if Haleigh's school clothes from that last day,were found in that trailer.

And of course I have more questions but they are endless.

Yes, I too want more info on cousin Joe...how did he get to Florida? Did he drive, take a bus, plane, ??? If he drove, why did he need to borrow the van? What kind of vehicle does he have back home...remember the sighting of Haighley in a red truck?

What also would interest me...did they question Misty what she was doing other than laundry the night Haighley when missing. Was she watching tv....if so what did she watch....can she describe the show/programming. I just can't imagine that all she did was laundry from 8:00 to 10:00 when she went to bed. And the blanket info still bothers me.

[KKKKKKatie]

uh-oh, anyone else get pm from "canada Pm?


not me :confused:

[Babes]

[Can the media who are lurking on this board to please ask Teresa or Misty on where is the GUN that Joe and Ron are fighting for?


ty...

[spageddy]

I just got one, and I think it's the person posting the link upthread a bit. I didn't open the pm.

[CANDYKISSES]

*pinches everyone not wearing green* :D




Maybe Misty went out to smoke and had the door open to listen for the kids. She had to use the bathroom bad and ran in to use the one at the other end so as not to wake the kids. She went to bed and forgot about the door and left it propped open. Someone saw the door open and came and took Haleigh (if the neighbors can see the couch they probably can see the door open). Misty feels it is all her fault she forgot to shut the door and knows Ron will be furious and maybe blame her so she bends the truth?

This is a possibility IMO and this is where an attorney for Misty would be explaining to her the importance of TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH if it were so, and any possible consequences going from the best outcome to the worst case scenario and her responsibility in it.

If she has lived a lifestyle where you fear the involvement of LE vs being thankful for them, SHE MAY NOT TRUST anything they say and is AFRAID IMO. :unsure:

I don't know, but after a month of a seventeen year old leading them with inconsistencies, I'm thinking it's time for a different approach given she was the last person known to be with Haleigh. :sad:

[CC I See]

Oh yeah...

I lost a dog once and searched daily for years. literally. Only time I reluctantly quit is when I knew he had to have been dead from old age.
It is strange that when someone or something goes missing how we continue to search for them. There is a missing woman in Corpus Christi who has been missing since 2003. There are a few dedicated searchers that continue to look for her remains even after all of this time. I am one of those searchers and I didn't even know her.

I can't imagine having a missing child and giving up so quickly but maybe Ron and Crystal haven't, we just don't know what they are doing when the cameras are turned off. Everyone seeks a certain amount of closure and answers to what happened to loved ones, otherwise, the search continues in some form.

[KKKKKKatie]

I just got one, and I think it's the person posting the link upthread a bit. I didn't open the pm.

good idea! Hopefully CW will be here soon to clean it all up

[CANDYKISSES]

There was a pastor who lived there about ten years ago as a renter. he had the short nine year old and put in a slide lock that was later removed.

The home itself is owned by another pastor who bought it originally for his parents who died before they began renting it to anyone.

there have been other tenants in there since the pastor that was interviewed. One of the last renters there is on the sex offender registry. He now lives in another Florida town and was living in the mobile home in 2007 and possibly 2008.

WE know these things because we have done research. i doubt Ronald has researched previous tenants of the home. I'd be interested in knowing if Nancy knows there was a member of the sex offender registry who once lived in that home but it may well not be relevant.

jmoo

Oddessy, I hope they have researched that far back and checked that one out. It can't hurt to maybe put that question up for Art Harris if he's still in the area or NG call in IMO.

I keep thinking back to the mentioning of a sheet being removed from a window until the blanket was dry. Do you remember that part?

[Pruddennce]

Just maybe to get the focus of this investigation off the couple themselves and move back to looking for HALEIGH CUMMINGS. JMO tho. If you search you will find much fodder about Ron and Misty. So now they are married and the public outcry should stop concerning their relationship given Misty's parents knew she was living there IMO. :thumbdown:

Ron and Misty et all took TIME OUT to take the focus off of Haleigh...not the public. the public should continue to question the behaviour of this 'newlywed couple'....and question the family who are backing up their decision to get married in the MIDDLE OF A MISSING CHILD INVESTIGATION.

Misty's parents? I wasnt questioning what they sanctioned or did not sanction as far as the relationship. she was living there, was the last person to be with the child.

their explanation about their marriage is absurd and their actions brought the investigation right back to them....where it should be IMO.

IMO, it does matter what people do in the middle of an investigation. especially when its something to 'please them' at the moment. its even more disturbing when it concerns a child that has 'simply vanished', and the parent decides, yes, I want to do something special for me and my GF. (who was the last person with the child).

I have no doubt LE's radar went up when they announced 'their engagement' and subsequent marriage.

IMO its too late for Haleigh. I think she is another deceased child. that's my initial vibe.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[cat3]

I do have a problem with the marriage but perhaps RC does trust Misti. He of all people would know how soundly she sleeps, if she would sleep through someone coming into the room. I really believe that night he thought he knew who took Haleigh. I still think they suspect the cousin but perhaps he feels if he keeps the pressure off the cousin he will return Haleigh safely. They are also probably being told by LE that the chances of finding an alive child are very slim after this amount of time.

Of course Ron knows Misty much better than any of us could.But how well does anyone know anyone? I've known people for years,and sometimes am surprised to learn things about them that I never would expect.I think he was foolish to marry her,but have a feeling he did it because of the looming custody battle.

[CANDYKISSES]

Also if you look at the pictures and videos of the home you will see no ash trays which is further evidence there was no smoking in their home.


jmoo

That could be a give-away IMO. :thumbup:

[Rigeljo]

I just got one, and I think it's the person posting the link upthread a bit. I didn't open the pm.

I got one as well and did not open it.....

[teresa]

No, I am saying that it is my belief and opinion that Teresa knows just as much about the night Haleigh disappeared as Ron & Misty do. Their lack of emotional support and behavior is just a sidenote that I observed and brought up here.

Teresa agreed with NG last night that the cousin was there, yet Ron adamantly denies it, why?

moo

I watched it live three times. You can hear Nancy speaking through their earphones. She (TN) was answering the previous question when Nancy butted in with the cousin part. I don't know if you can tell that from the youtube but you can live.

[teresa]

I have to agree with you there, IMO probably the first person they told what really happened, if something happened that they know about, was TN. So she could give them advice, tell them what to do. And since it might have involved Haleigh no longer being with us, as someone pointed out earlier, she may be doing her best to hang onto the child she has left. It makes sense in a twisted way. IMO

So now we have not one, but three people fooling the FBI? No way.

[aproudmom]

be careful someone is posting a bad link it has been reported


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[CANDYKISSES]

"GRACE: So when you pull up -- when you pull up, she`s still looking?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely.

GRACE: OK. All right. I get it.

RONALD CUMMINGS: I told her to call 911 while I turned the house upside-down.

GRACE: I get.

RONALD CUMMINGS: You call 911, I`ll turn the house upside-down."

From last nights show.

Except that he wasn't turning the house upside-down - we can clearly hearing him rant while Misty is talking to the 911 operator.

Hey, I could easily do both ~ it's called multi-tasking under duress in our home and happens if a credit card is missing too. :blush: One person is calling in for a freeze on the account, while the other is going through the furniture and that kind of thing...IOW turning things upside down. Language might not be that saucy, but I don't know if my child was MISSING.

So I can't even imagine what we would be doing if it were a child IMO.

[Babes]

Lets say it is finally proven that Misty left the house for...whatever amount of time the night Haleigh vanished. Could she be picked up for Child endangerment right away and forced to sit through hardcore interogations?


a lawyer will be available for Misty if that happened and that lawyer will say she's a minor too so the charges of Child endangerment will be a little bit more complicated IMO I dont know the rights associated with her if she's gonna start claiming that she's a minor/juvenile on this case

[KKKKKKatie]

Canada is also sending it out in PM's :rolleyes: