Tuesday 3/17 Hope For Haleigh [Archive] - Page 2

CANDYKISSES

03-17-2009, 03:30 PM

I'm not a smoker but I occasionally smoke and I don't own an ashtray - a soda can works just fine. I would hope people with small children would not have dirty stinking ashtrays inside their home.

I don't smoke, but would hope people with children wouldn't use soda cans as it might get left behind and barf YUCK IMO. barf The people I know who still smoke tend to clean their used ashtrays at the end of the day. JMO tho.

CANDYKISSES

03-17-2009, 03:30 PM

Miss Nancy asked where Jr was, but I don't think she asked where Miss Misty was. Just wondering why.

Maybe Misty was there or NG knew where she was. :smile:

Former Juror

03-17-2009, 03:34 PM

Oddities:

-TE sent away FAST.

-Geraldo goes nuts with bombshell info and then hightails out of there in a heartbeat. (He thrives on drama, but left?)

-Nancy Grace avoids case for awhile.

-Greta has nothing to say about the case.

-America's most wanted has nothing to offer?

-Satsuma has not alerted the public of a potential predator on the prowl.

All of this tells me that LE is telling people this is an inside job.

GREAT summary. My thoughts exactly.

CANDYKISSES

03-17-2009, 03:35 PM

ITA, I think Ron knows why Misty is being inconsistent.

I think Teresa is being tormented by the dawning realization that her son, whom I am sure she loves very much, is repeatedly demonstrating that he can't or won't confront Misty about the flaws in her story to LE.

I'm sure Teresa has heard all about the comments that LE made about Misty & her inconsistencies - & she was present while Marc Klaas stated & reiterated that in order for LE to properly investigate, they MUST get Misty's inconsistencies cleared up.

JMO

Now wait a minute Mimi, so many claim he's this awful abusive man, yet he is NOW AFRAID of asking MISTY something???

I guess I don't understand what you are thinking regarding Ron and Misty. Just what is it you think has happened if you don't mind answering?

Marc also stated EVERY CASE like this RUNS PARALLEL investigations, yet here you would think that was specific to this case only. I am more and more inclined to think Misty needs legal representation no matter what at this point. JMO tho.

:confused:

CelticDawn

03-17-2009, 03:35 PM

Misty and Ron live in a totally different world from most of us.....that kind of thing isnt very unusual in some places....so they are not intentionally turning the attention away from Haleigh....

another thing that bothers me is Ron saying he was searching the house while she called 911.....<HOOEY> He was in the background on her 911 call that I heard....was she on the phone and FOLLOWING HIM AROUND AS HE SEARCHED......NOT!!!

Also...that virus >...its a worm....if any of you are getting it in emails as well, it will try to snatch your email and autosend itself...using your email.....if your virus protection happens to miss it. check out definitions at F-secure.

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 03:38 PM

Out of the area, or off thier property?

The owner of the property where Ron had the RV ordered GR off.

He wasn't ordered out of the whole town. (I don't think they can do that, can they?)

CelticDawn

03-17-2009, 03:39 PM

Out of the area, or off thier property?

Away from THEM.....I dont know if he had to leave town...but if there was a legal way to run him off THEY SHOULD HAVE!!!! :cursing:

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 03:40 PM

Someone said last night Ronald was not wearing anything about Haleigh last night and that's just BS i just watched part of NG on HLN and he was wearing a haleigh pin on his hat.

H#ll, I didn't even know he was wearing a hat! I gotta get a bigger screen....

:laugh:

CelticDawn

03-17-2009, 03:41 PM

So are you saying Ronald wasn't looking for Haleigh? She was on her cell phone,..so why wouldn't she follow him around and help search while she was on the phone?

If you listen on the tapes of the 911 He was ranting in the background....like he was standing there beside Misty...even if she was following him...he was talking almost directly into the phone.

CANDYKISSES

03-17-2009, 03:42 PM

That's pretty much how I feel. Not that it isn't possible Ron is involved, but Theresa is NO Cindy Anthony. IMO

I share those feelings as well and my heart is heavy for Teresa watching her muddle through this from day to day. Her suffering is written all over her face IMO. :crying:

Tia

03-17-2009, 03:43 PM

If you listen on the tapes of the 911 He was ranting in the background....like he was standing there beside Misty...even if she was following him...he was talking almost directly into the phone.

Hi all.

Just checking in. No news I see, I mean besides the wedding.......

This is just so sad. As it day passes, I lose a little more hope that Haleigh will be found safe.

CelticDawn

03-17-2009, 03:46 PM

yes ma'am and you'll hear the dispatcher wanted to talk to him. she needed info....but i also think he looked for his missing child

<dont ma'am me :wub:!!!!!>

I know that if that trailer didnt look like a crime scene before I looked for my child....it certainly would after I was through looking.

CANDYKISSES

03-17-2009, 03:49 PM

I think LE are not satisfied of all the informations they are getting from everyone. But of course they are still investigating and they wanted to get more details as much as they can... if they show Ron that they suspect him then Ron will not give them a chance to investigate them - all they can do is shut up for now and let LE do their own investigation without their help IMO.

Hey Babes, did you see the interview Art Harris did yesterday? It looked like Ron and Cobra were getting along just fine, so if COBRA is everything some are claiming him to be, just maybe he can penetrate the underbelly of Satsuma, the guns and drugs allegations and come up with whether or not Haleigh's disappearance is related to such. That's a hope anyway, but even more I am hoping and praying Haleigh is coming home alive to her family. IF that happens, I believe the courts will see things are straightened out concerning the families IMO. :unsure:

Tia

03-17-2009, 03:50 PM

Hi Tia, I am loseing hope they will ever find Haleigh whats it been 5 weeks today?

Hi Breeze.

Yeah, me too. Are there any searches still going on?

CANDYKISSES

03-17-2009, 03:54 PM

I do have a problem with the marriage but perhaps RC does trust Misti. He of all people would know how soundly she sleeps, if she would sleep through someone coming into the room. I really believe that night he thought he knew who took Haleigh. I still think they suspect the cousin but perhaps he feels if he keeps the pressure off the cousin he will return Haleigh safely. They are also probably being told by LE that the chances of finding an alive child are very slim after this amount of time.

I've thought about that too and would like to believe it's possible if he just wanted to get back at Ron. But, the kind of coverage this has gotten might scare him into doing something bad IF IT was him IMO. :sad:

I have really watched the change in Ron's demeanor and it's almost like he is confident Haleigh is alive IMO.

:wub:I pray Haleigh is okay and still with us but realize the more time the less likely going by stats.

odyssey

03-17-2009, 03:54 PM

Odyssey, that's what I was asking earlier, why hasn't that area been searched, or an attempted search been made?

Od, that forest is really spooking me out. Thoughts of David Westerfield come to mind.

I would of hoped they would have closed it down when LE was first called. however I do not remember it being said. I know of another murder case where only through a confession were they able to find the body.

Vinson Filyaw kidnapped Elizabeth Shoaf in 2006 and led her into the woods, eventually to a bunker he had dug out that was on private property. When LE searched for her in the woods they did not search the wooded area that was privately owned. It was not until Elizabeth was able to somehow get her arm out of the bunker while he was sleeping and send a text message to her mother saying which part of the woods she was in. LE still did not locate the bunker. It was very well hidden. Filyaw eventually let her go and she showed them where the bunker was. The national forest there is much larger than the private area where they could not find Elizabeth in South Carolina,

jmoo

emdragon

03-17-2009, 03:59 PM

uh-oh, anyone else get pm from "canada Pm?

yes I did- didn't open that link either..

teresa

03-17-2009, 04:00 PM

On Nancy Grace tonight, it's the mom and the lawyer. I wonder how much Crystal will be allowed to say.

CANDYKISSES

03-17-2009, 04:05 PM

Ron and Misty et all took TIME OUT to take the focus off of Haleigh...not the public. the public should continue to question the behaviour of this 'newlywed couple'....and question the family who are backing up their decision to get married in the MIDDLE OF A MISSING CHILD INVESTIGATION.

Misty's parents? I wasnt questioning what they sanctioned or did not sanction as far as the relationship. she was living there, was the last person to be with the child.

their explanation about their marriage is absurd and their actions brought the investigation right back to them....where it should be IMO.

IMO, it does matter what people do in the middle of an investigation. especially when its something to 'please them' at the moment. its even more disturbing when it concerns a child that has 'simply vanished', and the parent decides, yes, I want to do something special for me and my GF. (who was the last person with the child).

I have no doubt LE's radar went up when they announced 'their engagement' and subsequent marriage.

IMO its too late for Haleigh. I think she is another deceased child. that's my initial vibe.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Hi PRU, Good to see you. I am still praying it's not too late to bring Haleigh home alive. So we are probably operating at different ends of the scope. :wink:

I think there is less focus on whether Ron and Misty have a legal relationship and the idea of sending him to jail for living with her is absent at this time from what I'm reading.

I am not an advocate of taking the heat off them, rather I am an advocate of turning the heat up for the investigation of HALEIGH CUMMINGS DISAPPEARANCE and still feel strongly the unconventional and possibly unlawful living situation has/had nothing to do with her disappearance.

I can't stress enough my feelings that Misty should have a lawyer by now judging by what we are hearing in the media, and IF SHE STILL WANTS TO HELP with locating HALEIGH and RECONSTRUCTING THE EVENTS of that night, then do it the right way where LE must be honest in confronting her through counsel. This would be somewhat revealing to the family IMO too.

JMO and at this point, what do they have to lose THIRTY DAYS LATER??? I think we've seen that disadvantage before. JMO.

tmw

03-17-2009, 04:06 PM

Sad note: Actress Natasha Richardson has been declared "Brain Dead" after her skiing accident yesterday. :( she will be taken to NY where they will pull the plug.

That's not what TMZ is reporting.

When will NG interview Misty???

Former Juror

03-17-2009, 04:08 PM

Did you watch the same show I did last night and the repeat of it two hours later? Because it is very obvious what happened at the time the cousin was brought up. Teresa was answering yes ma'am to the first part of the question Nancy asked her, Teresa did not hear the second part(which included the cousin), but Ron did and answered no, he was not there, and then Teresa said her mother was at the house. It had to do with the time delay between Nancy asking the questions and Ron and Teresa hearing the questions in their headset and answering.

Maybe watch it again with the volume way up?? I'm sure if you do, you will hear what is obviously a time issue, not an inconsistency or conflicting statements thing.

JMO

I've watched it twice and disagree with you. The fact is that none of us know for sure.

Deb7

03-17-2009, 04:19 PM

O/T I got one, but I straight deleted it. I don't know what it was...hope no one else opened theirs.

I got one too and I seemed to remember a post about being able to report PMs (I guess it didn't work out maybe?) and I tried to find the report button, but I couldn't, so I just went ahead and deleted it.

Some people just have way too much free time on their hands.

JMO
I sure do wish something helpful would happen today. :sad:

CJSMOMMY

03-17-2009, 04:21 PM

Babes

03-17-2009, 04:24 PM

Hey Babes, did you see the interview Art Harris did yesterday? It looked like Ron and Cobra were getting along just fine, so if COBRA is everything some are claiming him to be, just maybe he can penetrate the underbelly of Satsuma, the guns and drugs allegations and come up with whether or not Haleigh's disappearance is related to such. That's a hope anyway, but even more I am hoping and praying Haleigh is coming home alive to her family. IF that happens, I believe the courts will see things are straightened out concerning the families IMO. :unsure:

Hi Candy...I am very open to all possibilities specially if we are talking about Haleigh coming home alive.

annalyzer

03-17-2009, 04:24 PM

If you listen on the tapes of the 911 He was ranting in the background....like he was standing there beside Misty...even if she was following him...he was talking almost directly into the phone.

If he wanted her to call 911 why wasn't he outside running around calling Haleigh's name? He was standing right there saying he was going to kill the person who stole his daughter.

Riverwalk!

03-17-2009, 04:32 PM

I've watched it twice and disagree with you. The fact is that none of us know for sure.

2 different links about this "cousin" and day/date. Just trying to illustrate the horrible reporting in this case and JMO.

http://www.cbs12.com/news/haleigh_4714751___article.html/cummings_cousin.html
February 19, 2009 - 9:22 PM
CBS 47

"Haleigh's paternal grandmother, Teresa Neves, said Croslin's cousin visited Putnam County days before Haleigh's disappearance."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497744,00.html
Sunday, February 22, 2009
"Police are questioning the cousin, who is from Tennessee and was visiting when Haleigh disappeared before dawn Feb. 10, according to MyFOXOrlando.com."

AND so it goes even with last nights transcript and the video I posted. I believe that TN was NOT talking about the cousin (time delay and cross talk) but her mother/AC guy on the day Haleigh disappeared, but each to their own ears.

MOO

Tia

03-17-2009, 04:33 PM

I realize there is minimal searching going on now, but will there come a point when LE closes the case officially?

I just can't imagine where you go from there. Never knowing what happened.

FoxySly

03-17-2009, 04:34 PM

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crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 04:45 PM

*rolls her eyes* so now he's a bad father for wanting to answer the dispatchers questions and for getting mad someone stole his daughter?

Amazing...

Now I must need a bigger monitor too because no where in that post did I see anyone say that Ron was a bad father.

:shrug:

But, what questions did Ron actually answer?

emdragon

03-17-2009, 04:49 PM

It's difficult to respond to questions when the questions are based on a faulty premise. When you start with a lie, lies will follow, along with chaos. When a person appears to lack a conscience that person will throw everyone under the bus, family or not.

In my very humble opinion.

Not a clue as to what or who you are talking about.

The chaos in this case has been caused by the media and their own mistakes in reporting.

There is ZERO proof that Misti lied only that she has been inconsistent, which very well could be because she is 17.

I was staying out of the whole NG back and forth but I did see it twice and there was a lag time in the response for EVERY question Nancy asked,even to her own producer and she asked additional questions more than once or twice before getting the answer to her original question.
TN was answering two different questions and did not say Misti's cousin was at the home that night.

emdragon

03-17-2009, 04:52 PM

Now I must need a bigger monitor too because no where in that post did I see anyone say that Ron was a bad father.

:shrug:

But, what questions did Ron actually answer?

two off the top of my head

That he was NOT in NY for a Honeymoon
That as far as he knows it has not been 100% confirmed Misti did not leave the trailer that night- he is 98.9 % sure but it has not been absolutely confirmed.

Pruddennce

03-17-2009, 04:52 PM

Pru,...did you feel that way about elizabeth Smart?

no, I didnt.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

teresa

03-17-2009, 04:54 PM

Not a clue as to what or who you are talking about.

The chaos in this case has been caused by the media and their own mistakes in reporting.
There is ZERO proof that Misti lied only that she has been inconsistent, which very well could be because she is 17.

I was staying out of the whole NG back and forth but I did see it twice and there was a lag time in the response for EVERY question Nancy asked,even to her own producer and she asked additional questions more than once or twice before getting the answer to her original question.
TN was answering two different questions and did not say Misti's cousin was at the home that night.

I agree. Nancy's producer isn't too sharp when she thinks you can't see light from just a few feet away even if you aren't in the same room.

If you listen closely, you can actually hear the time lag with Nancy come through on their earphones.

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 04:55 PM

two off the top of my head

That he was NOT in NY for a Honeymoon
That as far as he knows it has not been 100% confirmed Misti did not leave the trailer that night- he is 98.9 % sure but it has not been absolutely confirmed.

As far as I'm concerned he cleared up the kitchen light argument. That always seemed so silly to me. If my BR door is open I can see any light in my house, even a nightlight.

teresa

03-17-2009, 04:59 PM

As far as I'm soncerned he cleared up the kitchen light argument. That always seemed so silly to me. If my BR door is open I can see any light in my house, even a nightlight.

He also cleared up the high lock that a previous tenant spoke of that sent everyone into a tizzy thinking Ron himself had said it when he never said any such thing.

Pruddennce

03-17-2009, 05:00 PM

If he wanted her to call 911 why wasn't he outside running around calling Haleigh's name? He was standing right there saying he was going to kill the person who stole his daughter.

the timeframe and the layout of the home...... that is what concerns me about Misty's account. the time between not seeing Haleigh, and the door open....didnt she run outside? there doesnt appear to be a plethora of places for Haleigh to be hiding or fallen down hurt in the home and unable to respond.........

if the door was opened, why were they still in the home?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

CelticDawn

03-17-2009, 05:00 PM

If he wanted her to call 911 why wasn't he outside running around calling Haleigh's name? He was standing right there saying he was going to kill the person who stole his daughter.

That's what I got out of listening to the 911.....

I would have been tearing that place apart.

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 05:01 PM

two off the top of my head

That he was NOT in NY for a Honeymoon
That as far as he knows it has not been 100% confirmed Misti did not leave the trailer that night- he is 98.9 % sure but it has not been absolutely confirmed.

Now you've lost me because this is the post I was responding to:

*rolls her eyes* so now he's a bad father for wanting to answer the dispatchers questions and for getting mad someone stole his daughter?

Amazing...

Which was a response to this:

If he wanted her to call 911 why wasn't he outside running around calling Haleigh's name? He was standing right there saying he was going to kill the person who stole his daughter.

Nothing about New York, Misty being there all night. It was all in reference to the 911 call and I don't believe either of those subjects was brought up in the 911 call.

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 05:07 PM

He also cleared up the high lock that a previous tenant spoke of that sent everyone into a tizzy thinking Ron himself had said it when he never said any such thing.

So Ron never said in an interview that he installed the lock high enough that Haleigh couldn't reach it?

emdragon

03-17-2009, 05:08 PM

Now you've lost me because this is the post I was responding to:

Which was a response to this:

Nothing about New York, Misty being there all night. It was all in reference to the 911 call and I don't believe either of those subjects was brought up in the 911 call.

My reply was in response to your post # 572

Originally Posted by crymeariver2006 View Post
Now I must need a bigger monitor too because no where in that post did I see anyone say that Ron was a bad father.

But, what questions did Ron actually answer?

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 05:10 PM

My reply was in response to your post # 572

And you couldn't tell that we were talking about the 911 call?

Maybe I should have been more specific.

emdragon

03-17-2009, 05:13 PM

And you couldn't tell that we were talking about the 911 call?

Maybe I should have been more specific.

No it didn't- It seemed to go right along with all the discussion of the NG interview last night.

Texas48

03-17-2009, 05:17 PM

Now I must need a bigger monitor too because no where in that post did I see anyone say that Ron was a bad father.

:shrug:

But, what questions did Ron actually answer?
I am so glad you DID NOT SEE that either cry cause I read and re-read and I thought maybe my glasses needed cleaning..lol..:confused:

teresa

03-17-2009, 05:18 PM

Who is this Art Harris guy? He says he taped that with Misty on Sunday, the day after she returned from NY. So I guess they did only stay one day. He spoke with Misty and TN while the Cobra dude talked to Ron.

"In fact, sources tell me they may want to speak with Misty again to clear up timelines from the night Haleigh vanished, and other areas of interest, including one relative the family says they consider their number one suspect."

Can I link his website? (It's just his name dot com) Maybe the inconsistencies do revolve around cousin Joe. The "they" in red refers to his "sources close to the investigation".

Teresa had just spent four hours out searching and asked the Cobra guy to go check something with her and he did. At least we know that the Cummings side wants to work with him, too.

Peaches

03-17-2009, 05:19 PM

So there's the real problem LOL.. you dont' like TN because of what she has said in regards to misty being a better mom.. Crystal was the mom 4 days month, my bet is TN was more of a mother than Crystal.. it is what it is.

I cannot believe that anybody who watched NG last night could think that TN is is not broken over this. She is one of the few that have shown genuine emotion and has actually shed real tears for this child in most of her interviews.

It's a good thing I can seperate the characters of this story.

Motomom,

I agree with everything you have said! :thumbsup:

Not only is TN, HaLeigh's grandmother, she is the one who has helped Ron take care of these children since he was given temporary custody.

Ron, Jr. was 6 months old and HeLeigh before she was 2 years old...........in fact, I believe that it was on HaLeigh's second birthday when he was given permanent custody.

Ron and these children lived with his mother. Both TN and TN's mother bonded with these children because they were there with them all the time.

I feel certainly that like many of us............as time goes by ............TN is afraid that she will never see HaLeigh alive again. Why would it be so strange that she is falling apart.

Although I believe Crystal loves her children, she is not bonded with them as is Ron and his family. moo

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03-17-2009, 05:21 PM

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teresa

03-17-2009, 05:22 PM

So Ron never said in an interview that he installed the lock high enough that Haleigh couldn't reach it?

Not the sliding one. The only thing I've personally seen him say about the locks is that Haleigh couldn't open the door because they stick. The preacher said the high sliding lock. I heard him twice on two separate occasions on HLN.

Texas48

03-17-2009, 05:22 PM

Now you've lost me because this is the post I was responding to:

Which was a response to this:

Nothing about New York, Misty being there all night. It was all in reference to the 911 call and I don't believe either of those subjects was brought up in the 911 call.I have only been on the board for less than 10 minutes and I am already :confused: Maybe I should start over.lol...Oh My..and by the way..hello my friend cry...:wub:

Texas48

03-17-2009, 05:25 PM

So Ron never said in an interview that he installed the lock high enough that Haleigh couldn't reach it?I know you are not asking me this question crymeariver ..but...I could swear I heard Ron make the statement about the lock being high enough that no way could Haleigh reach it. I am gona go way back and find it...where is Swarovski when I need her? Be back..Wait for me friend....

Peaches

03-17-2009, 05:26 PM

If I ever end up on NG, the first words out of my mouth would be...."Your twins are adorable Nancy!". Then I'm in the clear.

Surely you understand.

Becoming a mother so late in life, she is over the moon with love and gratitude.

All of her family as well as her husband's were so excited about these babies.

Both Nancy and David are very close to their families.

I am happy that God sent these beautiful children to Nancy. She is such a wonderful person..............

moo

teresa

03-17-2009, 05:27 PM

I'd really like to know the status on people who worked with Ron.Was everyone accounted for the night he was working?Did anyone leave early that evening?

I know. I don't think we will ever get to read all the LE documents unless there is an arrest. We could go forever and know nothing. That would drive me crazy and I can't imagine how the two families could cope.

Texas48

03-17-2009, 05:28 PM

teresa

03-17-2009, 05:28 PM

I thought Crystal was never in that home, so how would she know that??

That's sister Crystal, not the mom.

CC I See

03-17-2009, 05:29 PM

Surely you understand.

Becoming a mother so late in life, she is over the moon with love and gratitude.

All of her family as well as her husband's were so excited about these babies.

Both Nancy and David are very close to their families.

I am happy that God sent these beautiful children to Nancy. She is such a wonderful person..............

moo.... I absolutely agree. Unfortunately not all children are loved and cherished as much and sometimes go missing. Nancy leads by example.

Texas48

03-17-2009, 05:30 PM

The owner of the property where Ron had the RV ordered GR off.

He wasn't ordered out of the whole town. (I don't think they can do that, can they?)
I believe I read that GR was ordered OFF the property. Don't have a link. jmo for now but it is in a link.

Texas48

03-17-2009, 05:41 PM

WOW!!........I never knew that.
All the more reason to have kept TE there and beg them to come back!!

I know of another case I believe in Kentucky. A FBI agent killed his pregnant mistress and the find the body they called out the National Guard. Why the heck can they not do that for a missing child is something I have often wondered about. Who cares about statistics, they should have a team in place to search and ask questions later.ITA TT..I still am shaking my head as to WHY LE ask TES to leave and WHY LE is STILL not searching? Doesn't Haleigh or any child deserve more? I have NEVER had anything bad to say about ANY LE and will NOT start now. And it is very possible LE knows so much more and will eventually release it. Tearing the wall out by the water heater still has me puzzled..well..lets just say alot has me puzzled. jmo

Peaches

03-17-2009, 05:41 PM

In my opinion it is a case of one person trying to stay strong.At least that has been my experience with tragic events.One person usually has to stay strong in stressful times.I did see a few times during the interview when Ron was getting a bit emotional,such as when the locks were being discussed,and he said he changed them because he didn't want anything bad to happen.I noticed again toward the end of the interview when NG asked him how he ended his day,and he mentioned that he hugs Jr and has him in his bed.I think he was having a hard time not breaking down.As far as comforting his mother.....maybe he was trying to put a distance between them so he could stay strong and not start blubbering....just a thought.Maybe it is just another day of seeing his mother cry about Haleigh.
I don't think TN knows what happened to Haleigh.As far as Ron trusting Misty enough to marry her.......I have a problem with that as well.IMO

You know I think you are on to something here.

I remember when my DIL was in delivery and my son came running out to say........emergency C-section...........the baby flipped..........and is in trouble..........He was beside himself...........I started to hug him, he said, "No mom, I have to stay strong for ...........(his wife).........and they let him back in.

I have to tell you this..........he came out as the pushed our baby toward pre-nat nursery. He said, "Mom, you stay right by this window and do not let him out of your sight. They do not have his tags on his yet."................so, I did............because he went back to his wife as they completed working with her.

Anyway..................just a touch from me would have sent the tears..........maybe that is how Ron has to conduct himself.........some may not understand...........others of us do.

moo

Pruddennce

03-17-2009, 05:43 PM

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 05:50 PM

so now he's a bad father for wanting to answer the dispatchers questions and for getting mad someone stole his daughter?

1) Who said he was a "bad father"?

2) How did you get the idea he wanted to answer the dispatcher's questions? IIRC, he hung up on her, swore at her & did not answer questions other than to say stuff along the lines of "I don't know" & "what difference does it make" & so on. What question was he wanting to answer when he told the 911 operator that he was going to kill someone? What question was wanting to answer when he told the 911 operator he wasn't afraid of going to jail? I have heard the call & read the transcript & at no time did I hear the operator say "Sir, are you going to kill someone? Sir, are you afraid of going to jail? Sir, do you care if this is recorded?".

3)How did he know at the very early stage that someone 'stole' his daughter?

?noanswer

03-17-2009, 06:00 PM

the timeframe and the layout of the home...... that is what concerns me about Misty's account. the time between not seeing Haleigh, and the door open....didnt she run outside? there doesnt appear to be a plethora of places for Haleigh to be hiding or fallen down hurt in the home and unable to respond.........

if the door was opened, why were they still in the home?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

IIRC RC arrived home at 3:27 AM. On the police report it says LE arrived at 3:40 AM and TN arrived shortly thereafter. There is 13 min. between the time RC arrived home and LE arrived. That is not a lot of time to do much of anything. JMO

emdragon

03-17-2009, 06:03 PM

he marries this person who he cannot say for sure didnt leave his children unattended?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

The question was had it been confirmed she didn't leave the home-confirmed by LE.

Not if he thought she had left the kids alone- in fact he said he believed she had not left the trailer that night.

He was honest and said as far as he knew it had not been 100% confirmed- you think he should have lied?

He believes her.

Pag Boi

03-17-2009, 06:09 PM

I realize there is minimal searching going on now, but will there come a point when LE closes the case officially?

I just can't imagine where you go from there. Never knowing what happened.

Anyone remember where they were in the Smart case when Elizabeth surfaced?

Pag Boi

03-17-2009, 06:11 PM

Now I must need a bigger monitor too because no where in that post did I see anyone say that Ron was a bad father.

:shrug:

But, what questions did Ron actually answer?

I have to agree with you about the monitor if you're the same poster who couldn't see Ronald Cumming's hat. :biggrin: Maybe better resolution would do the trick.

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 06:12 PM

*rolls her eyes*....If my child was missing no telling what i would tell the dispatcher. He wanted the LE there right then not in 20 minutes. and IF i woke up and my child was missing out of her bed and my back door was wide open i would know someone kidnapped my child.......Wouldn't you?

I love how people want to judge Ronald for how he acted but have never walked in his shoes.

Now I'm really confused - this was your post that I was replying to...

Originally Posted by FallenAngel
so now he's a bad father for wanting to answer the dispatchers questions and for getting mad someone stole his daughter?

I ask you what questions he was answering (since it WAS you who posted he was wanting to answer the dispatcher's questions ) - & instead of enlightening us on why you thought he was wanting to answer the dispatcher's questions you NOW say there is no telling what YOU would tell the dispatcher?

Alrighty then.

About those shoes you think people haven't walked in, I can only say that some folks have spent years walking in the shoes of a person who has dealt with good parents who are frantic to find the answers to their questions about their child(ren) as well as dealt with some BAD parents who will dance a jig, cuss, hollar, threaten & stand on their head in the hope that everyone will be so distracted that they will be fooled into thinking they actually give a crap.

I don't think we have enough information at this time to know what shoes Ron or Misty are wearing, much less where they have walked in them. But so far neither of them are doing much of a credible impersonation of a parent or step-parent who actually DOES want the search for this innocent child to proceed in the best possible way.

JMO

Texas48

03-17-2009, 06:14 PM

1) Who said he was a "bad father"?

2) How did you get the idea he wanted to answer the dispatcher's questions? IIRC, he hung up on her, swore at her & did not answer questions other than to say stuff along the lines of "I don't know" & "what difference does it make" & so on. What question was he wanting to answer when he told the 911 operator that he was going to kill someone? What question was wanting to answer when he told the 911 operator he wasn't afraid of going to jail? I have heard the call & read the transcript & at no time did I hear the operator say "Sir, are you going to kill someone? Sir, are you afraid of going to jail? Sir, do you care if this is recorded?".

3)How did he know at the very early stage that someone 'stole' his daughter?
ITA Mimi with your entire post and so well put. I got SO much more from READING the transcript of 911 call than listening to it. jmo

Owlface

03-17-2009, 06:15 PM

CC I See

03-17-2009, 06:15 PM

he marries this person who he cannot say for sure didnt leave his children unattended?

IMO

best regards,
Pru.....I'm SURE he had his reasons.:tonguewag:

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 06:18 PM

Anyone remember where they were in the Smart case when Elizabeth surfaced?

Middle of Texas, same as I am now. What does that have to do with where Haleigh might be today? Has Haleigh been found in the company of Elizabeth Smart? I know she can't be with the two evil beings who took Elizabeth Smart, since they have each been locked up for quite some time.

JMO

Texas48

03-17-2009, 06:20 PM

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 06:25 PM

I find it interesting that when questioned about any other thing that happened that night is answer is "I don't know, I was at work" even when it doesn't make sense.

I know what you mean by that. When he started giving that answer to questions about occurences that happened AFTER he got home from work, that really started to unnerve me.

I'm with Adalena on this craziness with first he knows everything. He knows someone broke in. He knows they pried the lock. He knows his child has been stolen. He knows Misty was there.

Then when it can actually make a difference to LE on how to sweep away the extraneous & get focused on the stuff that has the best chance of finding out what happened to Haleigh - he doesn't know, he was at work.

The mind boggles. Or maybe the bind moggles. I'm not sure anymore.

JMO

cloe23

03-17-2009, 06:30 PM

Middle of Texas, same as I am now. What does that have to do with where Haleigh might be today? Has Haleigh been found in the company of Elizabeth Smart? I know she can't be with the two evil beings who took Elizabeth Smart, since they have each been locked up for quite some time.

JMO

The Elizabeth Smart case give me hope that Haleigh will be found alive.

Riverwalk!

03-17-2009, 06:33 PM

he marries this person who he cannot say for sure didnt leave his children unattended?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Lub you dearly from the Caylee case, but I cannot agree with you here. Still lub you though. AS FAR AS I know ... Ronald Cummings was "at work." lol.

Too many questionable people around this innocent child ... on BOTH sides of her family and then there are the sexual offenders (still unaccounted for) and the "first timers" and those that are registered in other states that just ran off.

MOO

ETA: I really don't care who married whom or who is sleeping with who. It's just none of my business, imo. FIND HALEIGH.

march27

03-17-2009, 06:36 PM

this person is posting this link on several threads....don't open it!

It was pmd to me also. I reported the link.

cloe23

03-17-2009, 06:38 PM

It was pmd to me also. I reported the link.

So don't open PM's or the link?

MrLucky917B

03-17-2009, 06:39 PM

Someone said last night Ronald was not wearing anything about Haleigh last night and that's just BS i just watched part of NG on HLN and he was wearing a haleigh pin on his hat.

I would have been the one that made that comment, sorry if I missed a pin on his hat.

emdragon

03-17-2009, 06:40 PM

I find it interesting that when questioned about any other thing that happened that night is answer is "I don't know, I was at work" even when it doesn't make sense.

Well he wasn't there so how is he suppose to answer questions about what Misti did? All he knows is what he has been told. From my view his answers are honest and is making sure he isn't misleading anyone with second hand information.

CJSMOMMY

03-17-2009, 06:41 PM

I am in NO WAY saying RC is a bad father but it just now has struck me it was weird for him to say " someone stole my daughter" IMO of course.If it were me and the timeline is like they said ,I would be blaming myself first,thinking I should have been there.
I did lose my son at Disney World in a resort.My son wanted to play with Lincoln logs at the resort while we waited to dine. Other kids his age were there. We had left his monkey pal (backback with leash ,basically) in our room.I told my husband to let him down let him play. They started walking to the table ,dh right beside him ,my son took off running. He is a fast lil booger. This resort was all open now but still dh lost him.The dumb a$$ security person standing where my son ran right by him said he didn't see him (my son did run right by him we found out later).The first thing I did was blame myself.I was crying to the staff ,it's all my fault ,I shouldn't have told dh to let him down. Then the next thing I thought is omg what if someone takes him.Thank god we did find him.
Also I must explain I'm sure our circumstances are different.My husband and I tried for over 10 years to conceive and were blessed with our son through adoption. We are very over protective of him. He was 3 and dh was carrying him until I told him to let him down.
On the other hand ,even though RC may not be the most sophisticated person out there ,he seems pretty blunt.He seems like the type who says what he thinks nomatter what anyone thinks.I guess im torn.

Oh and sorry for the book.

cloe23

03-17-2009, 06:44 PM

If so I would delete the whole message if you open it doesnt it give you a virus? This is gonna make folks afraid to open any pm's .

ok ty............

mustangtoni

03-17-2009, 06:44 PM

So don't open PM's or the link?

I would suggest to delete the PM from that person...and don't click on the link for sure...

I opened the PM...but didn't click on the link and I was ok...Then deleted the PM

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 06:50 PM

I would have been the one that made that comment, sorry if I missed a pin on his hat.

Hopefully whoever has information about Haleigh saw it close enough to get a phone number.

Owlface

03-17-2009, 06:54 PM

Well he wasn't there so how is he suppose to answer questions about what Misti did? All he knows is what he has been told. From my view his answers are honest and is making sure he isn't misleading anyone with second hand information.

Except that he said he believed Misty was there all night. That's my point - if his mantra is "I don't know I was at work" why isn't that how he answered the question was Misty there all night.

cloe23

03-17-2009, 06:58 PM

This happens to be a week old, but its a great photo of Ron's truck and the message he drives around with. Looks like Art Harris has been blogging about this case. He has a few articles on his blog, re NG and Crystal's atty.

BTW Did I hear on HLN a little while ago, that Misty said innocent people don't need lawyers.? Is that true?
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/12/haleigh-dad-only-god-can-judge-me/

I heard it. Exact words I don't recall.

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:00 PM

I thought Crystal was never in that home, so how would she know that??

Sorry if this has been answered but it was Crystal Sheffield who said she had not been in the home.

Crystal Cummings, Ronald's sister, is the one quoted in the article you were responding to.

Riverwalk!

03-17-2009, 07:00 PM

Hopefully whoever has information about Haleigh saw it close enough to get a phone number.

:confused: and HUH?

cloe23

03-17-2009, 07:05 PM

I believe the platitude enblazened on the rear windshield of Ron's truck was, "Only God Can Judge Me"

Well, newsflash Ron, when folks go to trial, a 12 member jury of their peers do get to "judge." :biggrin:

It appears you have your mind made up. Welcome btw.

emdragon

03-17-2009, 07:06 PM

Except that he said he believed Misty was there all night. That's my point - if his mantra is "I don't know I was at work" why isn't that how he answered the question was Misty there all night.

nit picking. He says he believes she was there all night but he doesn't say he knows for sure.
He says he doesn't know what Misti told investigators that night because he wasn't there when they questioned her.

What do you all want him to do, state things as absolute fact so that you can then later cut him to shreds for being wrong?

I've been away from here and news of the case for 5 days and yet I come back and nothing has changed it is the same old attacks about the same subjects.

What any of them say to the media doesn't matter in the search for Haleigh, all that matters is what they say to LE- sounds like LE believes what Ron has said and still have a few questions about some of what Misti said.

But the media getting a fact wrong and running with it (like saying they were all in the same bed- when what Misti said was Haleigh was sleeping next to her which she was on the other mattress) is not an inconsistency stated by anyone involved it is a media error turned into "fact"

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 07:07 PM

I have to agree with you about the monitor if you're the same poster who couldn't see Ronald Cumming's hat. :biggrin: Maybe better resolution would do the trick.

No, I couldn't see the hat on my 32" tv!

I don't think better resolution's the answer. Apparently some people have monitors that can read invisible ink, words that aren't there, and words between the lines in posts!

My iMac can't even do that!

:laugh:

rosieposett

03-17-2009, 07:08 PM

Hi all!

Lurked forever and I'm finally joining in.

(Still trying to catch up for today's pages tho. That pesky work and house cleaning really cuts into my important forum reading time - heh!)

Anyhoo.... what I don't seem to read about enough, imo, in other forums is the fact that Ron told the custody judge that Mother Teresa :tonguewag: (tee hee) would be caring for the kids, not his underage stat rape paramour.

Also, Crystal was 18 when Haleigh was born and imo caring for ONE infant by an 18 yr old (an infant cannot run out the door and get into things, BTW) is very different than caring for TWO kids, who were the ages at the time (Sept 2008 when the arrangement began) 5 and 3 1/2 yrs old.

Misty, at the time (and not until the other day of the grand and well-timed nuptials) .....(except not) :tonguewag: ......Misty was neither natural mother, adopted mother, or step-mother.....at the time.

And all this talk of RSO's... registered sex offenders.... well there are probably plenty of UN registered ones in the area; Just look at Ron there.... "Teflon Ron" - no charges - nothing ever sticks. :tonguewag:

Great board, you guys!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome Vicyasa. Good post. Your are correct. It is more difficult to watch 2 toddlers who can climb, run, go in opposite directions, than to care for an infant.

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:11 PM

Crystal was just on the phone on Issues.

She said she did not hire the PI
and that she swears she did not make up the story that
Jr. told about the "black man in black"

jmoo

march27

03-17-2009, 07:11 PM

Hi all!

Lurked forever and I'm finally joining in.

(Still trying to catch up for today's pages tho. That pesky work and house cleaning really cuts into my important forum reading time - heh!)

Anyhoo.... what I don't seem to read about enough, imo, in other forums is the fact that Ron told the custody judge that Mother Teresa :tonguewag: (tee hee) would be caring for the kids, not his underage stat rape paramour.

Also, Crystal was 18 when Haleigh was born and imo caring for ONE infant by an 18 yr old (an infant cannot run out the door and get into things, BTW) is very different than caring for TWO kids, who were the ages at the time (Sept 2008 when the arrangement began) 5 and 3 1/2 yrs old.

Misty, at the time (and not until the other day of the grand and well-timed nuptials) .....(except not) :tonguewag: ......Misty was neither natural mother, adopted mother, or step-mother.....at the time.

And all this talk of RSO's... registered sex offenders.... well there are probably plenty of UN registered ones in the area; Just look at Ron there.... "Teflon Ron" - no charges - nothing ever sticks. :tonguewag:

Great board, you guys!!!!!!!!!!!

The police obviously know about Rons relationship with Misty and have not charged him with Stat Rape or as a sex offender. Your post is false try using IMO...why do I bother.

Januarybaby

03-17-2009, 07:12 PM

I got the pm from Canadapm too.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 07:14 PM

Well, I see Crystal didn't waste any time on JVM slinging more dirt at Misty and Ronald. She said that Ron caught Misty with a drug dealer. :scared:
Wonder how on earth she would have facts like that.

First words out of Crystal's mouth about the center was "donations".
Not surprised at all! JMO

Got to go read and catch up.

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 07:15 PM

A attention getting truck is all that is imo

Seems like everytime we see anything about Ron he is more about "look at me, look at me, look at me" than he is about "find Haleigh!". I'll bet if he went to a printing place with a good picture of Haleigh, they would figure out some way to create larger pictures that he could put all over that truck. And they would probably do it for free, as a goodwill gesture.

JMO

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:16 PM

Thanks rov~!

When that was said about Misty and drugs Jane cut her off and said they had no confirmation of that. .. that there was a lot of point counterpoint (basically one side saying one thing and the other saying another)

jmoo

cloe23

03-17-2009, 07:16 PM

Crystal saying Misty has been doing drugs and has been caught with drug dealers.

moo

Crystal is not happy with Misty, was Misty crashed out or out partying?

Riverwalk!

03-17-2009, 07:16 PM

IlliniFan

03-17-2009, 07:16 PM

OMG and the couch was jumping, did I hear that right....

I wasn't going to post that, because I wasn't sure I heard it right....But I thought she said jr. described something about the couch...

march27

03-17-2009, 07:18 PM

True, but no one knows yet WHEN much of anything was actually done (aka "earlier")

IMO, I dont beleive Mother Sykes came by and saw anyone at 7 PM when it was 50-something degrees temperature which is really chilly to Floridians....especially small kids.... imo and it was dark.

Also, ON DAY 8 Mother Teresa was the one who interjected the story that Mother Sykes came by at 7 PM on that Mon evening.

Why wait til DAY 8 to share that tidbit?

Why didn't Misty mention her in her initial account?

Well, I don't know; I was at work. :laugh:

It wa 59 degrees which is not cold to all Floridians. I've lived in Florida my whole life and we go outside without jackets at that temp all the time. Everyone has different tolerances to weather IMO. Its so rarely below 80 degrees here that most people I know rejoice when the temp is at 59 degrees. Its in the summer when its hot and muggy you dont want to go out mo.

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:18 PM

OMG and the couch was jumping, did I hear that right....

lol sorry i did not hear that part but my mother is helping me clean and my son is playing so i did not get to hear the whole conversation. .. does she repeat her show?

jmoo

march27

03-17-2009, 07:20 PM

I got the pm from Canadapm too.

Report and delete. Did anyone click it?

mustangtoni

03-17-2009, 07:21 PM

I wasn't going to post that, because I wasn't sure I heard it right....But I thought she said jr. described something about the couch...

I thought I heard that too...but not touching that one...JR. also said the man had squeaky shoes.

march27

03-17-2009, 07:22 PM

I played it back she said he had sweeky shoes and the couch was jumping.

Ahh I dont have cable! The couch was jumping? Huh?

Riverwalk!

03-17-2009, 07:23 PM

I played it back she said he had sweeky shoes and the couch was jumping.

Yep. I did the same thing. LOL.

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:23 PM

I played it back she said he had sweeky shoes and the couch was jumping.

i wonder if he fell asleep on the couch then and when she moved him to the bed .. or if she did move him.

i wonder if she (Misty) would agree to being hypnotised and if LE would allow it

jmoo

cloe23

03-17-2009, 07:23 PM

OMG and the couch was jumping, did I hear that right....

That is what I heard :scared:. Would there of been an assault that happened in the trailer and Misty wasn't even there? Did someone know where Misty was at and came over?
Evidently LE is not on this or they would/should shut Crystal up.
Maybe LE should come get the couch. FGS!

Riverwalk!

03-17-2009, 07:24 PM

Good for Jane! :thumbsup: Money and mudslinging seem to be higher on Crystal's agenda than finding her own daughter.

Crystal needs to read the Florida LAWS about "bad mouthing the other parent". She's off the deep end. IMO.

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 07:24 PM

Crystal saying Misty has been doing drugs and has been caught with drug dealers.

moo

Whoa horse!

I wonder what the heck all that is supposed to mean. Doing drugs....when? Caught with drug dealers...by whom? And when?

I was glad to read on the Art Harris site that Cobra the PI is indicating the he has already spoken to some of the sort of people who don't like talking to LE.

JMO

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 07:25 PM

Crystal saying Misty has been doing drugs and has been caught with drug dealers.

moo

That's what's called the Pot calling the Kettle black!

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 07:25 PM

Looks like JVM is not buying the Ron/Theresa *cousin* exchange.

Said the can't even get their story straight about that...(paraphrased)

moo

And THAT is what you call payback for Misty saying that Haleigh and Jr. thought SHE was a better mother than their own mother and TN for agreeing with it.

:wink:

march27

03-17-2009, 07:26 PM

Sounds like that comment a two year old made a year or so ago, mommy's in the rug. Could that be a clue?

moo

Wow thats the same thing I thought. I hope shes told LE all of this.

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 07:27 PM

Crystal needs to read the Florida LAWS about "bad mouthing the other parent". She's off the deep end. IMO.

So do Misty and Teresa!

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 07:28 PM

hmmmm i wonder how she knows. and she really has room to talk about people doing drugs. :bored:

Is there any proof, other than the custody agreement of 2005, that Crystal is indeed doing drugs now?

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 07:28 PM

Stop twisting words ok....and how do you know that statement on the back of his truck hasn't been there for awhile.

but yes i agree i would love to see something about haleigh on his truck.

One video I saw today (maybe the bald guy and Cobra vid) that showed flyers on his window and windshield.

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:29 PM

I've read and searched; (Maybe my search words were poor choices.) Can you guys help me with this please?

"Mother Teresa" :laugh: and Ron cannot seem to agree on the following:

1.) Who picked Haleigh up at the bus stop

2.) Whether there was a fight b/w Ron and another indiviudual (a cousin?)

3.) Whether there was a gun (the one found in a ditch)

4.) Whether the cousin was even at the home.

PS How far from the home was the ditch with the gun? and who was the gun registered to?

TIA :-)

They do agree who picked her up from the bus stop .. that particular nancy grace transcript misquotes her. You will need to listen to the youtube broadcast of it to hear she said. "My son picked her up from the bus stop".

The cousin, again, if you listen to the nancy grace interview from last night you will hear that because of the audio delay between the link up she was answering about the a/c man or her mother being there, not the cousin.

the 'fight' could be semantics between an argument and a fist fight.

the gun i have not heard what Mrs. Neves has said.

And yes we should all be big enough to admit our mistakes.

jmoo

march27

03-17-2009, 07:30 PM

Stop twisting words ok....and how do you know that statement on the back of his truck hasn't been there for awhile.

but yes i agree i would love to see something about haleigh on his truck.

Yeah but if he puts something on the back of his truck imagine the uproar (ie tattoo). To some he can do no right. It will either be good job for putting something on your truck for Haleigh, or how dare he spend money on that imo.

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 07:31 PM

One video I saw today (maybe the bald guy and Cobra vid) that showed flyers on his window and windshield.

Thanks for that info. I'm very glad to hear that.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 07:31 PM

ITA with that message....Ronald might have done a lot of stuff in his past but he's been taking care of his children and working and trying to change his life..

Only God can judge what he's done in his past.......

ITA

Unlike the bio-mom who waited until something happened to one of her children to take some action!
Crystal is way too busy running Ron and Misty down. That just leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. JMO

IlliniFan

03-17-2009, 07:32 PM

Oh darn I missed that...What did she say..was this something Jr told her?

I think so...I'm not on the tv w/the dvr, so I can't rewind....

march27

03-17-2009, 07:32 PM

Is there any proof, other than the custody agreement of 2005, that Crystal is indeed doing drugs now?

Same proof Ron and Misty are on drugs none. Imo its all just rumors regarding all three. Nothing substantiated.

Riverwalk!

03-17-2009, 07:33 PM

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:33 PM

Wow thats the same thing I thought. I hope shes told LE all of this.

How come now ppl believe jr now that did not before? because before he was not implicating Misty in any way?

jmoo

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 07:35 PM

Is there any proof, other than the custody agreement of 2005, that Crystal is indeed doing drugs now?

There is no proof or even any evidence that I've seen that any of the parties, Ron , Misti, or Crystal are doing drugs now. No evidence to the contrary, either, except our own interpretations of what we see on TV.(totally unreliable in my view, esp. since they are all under unimaginable stress). Plus I would personally have to be under medication if it were me, probably a lot of sedatives.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 07:36 PM

I played it back she said he had sweeky shoes and the couch was jumping.

What was said about the couch jumping? I did not hear that. Did anyone else hear anything about the couch on JVM? :w00t:

cloe23

03-17-2009, 07:36 PM

Squeaky shoes imo means that they were wet tennies.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 07:37 PM

Sorry when I was on the on that same AC-man train of thought, I should have also asked, did Misty's brother ever publicly state that he actually SAW Haleigh on his Mon Feb 9 visit in the late afternoon?

IIRC, Ron's grandmother took clean clothes to the house that evening and she said she saw both kids.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 07:39 PM

WHY on earth would Crystal's attorney allow her to bad mouth Ron & Misty on these shows? I cannot believe an attorney would allow that kind of low-blow mud slinging! JVM said Crystal and her attorney were both on the phone.

:ohmy:

CC I See

03-17-2009, 07:41 PM

Squeaky shoes imo means that they were wet tennies..... it would be more like boots, cowboy boots.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 07:41 PM

She posted about having a "Mary Jane" party for her birthday. I think that's a clue. :smile:

I assume that is a name for "pot"? Mary Jane?

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 07:42 PM

She posted about having a "Mary Jane" party for her birthday. I think that's a clue. :smile:

You're right! I read that and it completely went by me. I wondered why is a grown woman having a party about little girl patent leather shoes? lol

My son, 26, knew exactly what she meant.

cloe23

03-17-2009, 07:42 PM

Me too, FallenAngel.

I would like to hear anything from anyone who was at the home that day and actually SAW Haleigh (as opposed to just being in the home)

I'd also like to hear anything from anyone who saw Haleigh outside the home... when and what day/time.

I think I read here previously about the bus driver; but I don't recall how solid you guys determined that sighting to be.

Even the neighbors aren't talking or have nothing to say, about that night.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 07:44 PM

i haven't heard the AC man say anything...but i would love to hear from him,...and i wonder if he's taken a LDT.

On one of the shows earlier on, it was said the AC guy was cleared but as we know, LE has not cleared anyone. I'm still trying to figure out why you would have a need for an AC guy in February. Is it that hot there in February where you would need the air-conditioner?

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 07:44 PM

What was said about the couch jumping? I did not hear that. Did anyone else hear anything about the couch on JVM? :w00t:

I heard that too...:confused:

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:45 PM

I am not sure who you mean by people who believe Jr now but I for one have never "not believed" him. I think he thinks he did see something. I just don't think Crystal made this up. No reason to. On that note, the movie that he was watching that night, does anyone know if there is a black man dressed in black or anything like that in that movie? Does his shoes squeak? Dancing couch in the movie? This is something...Somehow that little boy thinks he saw something there..Could have been a dream but there was something.

Hi Pia. I have always thought it possible that he could have seen something. And no i know i did not mean you because i don't remember you posting during the Rivera interviews with Crystal.

Many people thought he was too young to recall things and verbalize them. Having a child a few months younger even than jr., i would disagree though i do not know him personally to know if he is very verbal. BUT, there are people on this board .. well most boards i would think, that disregard any possibilities facts or speculation that do not fit their own personal theory. i am not speaking of any one specifically right now, but generally.

i don't have my mind made up about this .. i still see several possibilities .. i just have prayed whatever happened, Haleigh is found soonest.

jmoo

Riverwalk!

03-17-2009, 07:45 PM

Theresa and Ron never mentioned he was there last night to NG.

moo

Yes they did. Listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKi243KPxsQ

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 07:46 PM

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 07:47 PM

On one of the shows earlier on, it was said the AC guy was cleared but as we know, LE has not cleared anyone. I'm still trying to figure out why you would have a need for an AC guy in February. Is it that hot there in February where you would need the air-conditioner?

I think trailors always have a singular heating/cooling unit.

CC I See

03-17-2009, 07:47 PM

Even the neighbors aren't talking or have nothing to say, about that night..... can you blame them? One of the neighbors did say that the area is so quiet that he would have noticed a vehicle that did not belong in the area. This was on the links list from one of the news TV station. It was a man who lives close to the home who said it.

4Kids

03-17-2009, 07:47 PM

Oh im sorry yes it was JR. He told her that a man in black too Haleigh and 2 weeks later he said it was a black man in black clothes he had sweaky shoes and the couch was jumping. Well maybe she will say this again on NG. Do any of you think it could have been someone on the couch with maybe a blanket over them having sex???

Checking in quickly here. I need to get back to my guys...however...I wonder why Ron Jr. was not persuaded to discuss the couch issue on Geraldo fiasco? This is definitely new info. I am at a loss for words. WTH is this lady doing? Is she trying to implicate Misty? Is she continuing to ask JR questions and he is elaborating? Is she sharing with LE before going on a TV show to add yet another question? This lately added additional info is bothersome to me. I don't know why.

ETA, if this new info is true, this could actually exonerate Misty (or not). If it is true, there may have been a struggle to get Haleigh out of the house. DNA on the couch. Forget the screen door...and grab the couch and mattress...PLEASE. See you'all later the evening. MOO

cloe23

03-17-2009, 07:48 PM

.... it would be more like boots, cowboy boots.

I have never worn them. But trust your post.
Where in the heck is this little girl?

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 07:48 PM

On one of the shows earlier on, it was said the AC guy was cleared but as we know, LE has not cleared anyone. I'm still trying to figure out why you would have a need for an AC guy in February. Is it that hot there in February where you would need the air-conditioner?

I don't live in Florida, but we do have a dual system that's one unit with both a/c and a heat pump.

Maybe the heat pump part was being serviced?

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 07:49 PM

teresa

03-17-2009, 07:49 PM

Wow thats the same thing I thought. I hope shes told LE all of this.

Expert children LE interviewed Jr twice immediately after. I'm sure they know what he said or didn't.

Riverwalk!

03-17-2009, 07:49 PM

On one of the shows earlier on, it was said the AC guy was cleared but as we know, LE has not cleared anyone. I'm still trying to figure out why you would have a need for an AC guy in February. Is it that hot there in February where you would need the air-conditioner?

HVAC is heating and air conditioning (central system and can be switched over as you want/need) in Texas and Florida or anywhere HOT 24/7/350. lol.

IlliniFan

03-17-2009, 07:52 PM

How come now ppl believe jr now that did not before? because before he was not implicating Misty in any way?

jmoo

I'm not saying I believe jr..I don't know what to think..

But you are right, Jr. said that Misty was home when the man dressed in black took Haleigh.....(When Craig Rivera interviewed both Mom and JR.)

teresa

03-17-2009, 07:52 PM

One video I saw today (maybe the bald guy and Cobra vid) that showed flyers on his window and windshield.

Hey Doctor J, don't ruin their fun :laugh:

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 07:53 PM

How did Junior see a jumping couch if he was in the master bedroom in Ron's bed?:confused:

Got up to see what the noise was? :confused:

4Kids

03-17-2009, 07:53 PM

How did Junior see a jumping couch if he was in the master bedroom in Ron's bed?:confused:

Swaro...this whole thing is as my older children say "messed up". Just messed up. Plain and simple. MOO

MrLucky917B

03-17-2009, 07:53 PM

MrLucky (sorry, quote won't work for some reason just now)
Ron may have said it as well, but I've never heard it.

I deleted the post after thinking about it cause I never heard it either.

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:55 PM

I don't live in Florida, but we do have a dual system that's one unit with both a/c and a heat pump.

Maybe the heat pump part was being serviced?

You may take this as rumour but according to a neighbor of Ronald's, the landlords had hired the A/C man to service all of their rental properties in that particular mobile home community that they owned. Just whatever a regular service check is, not that something was broken .. again this is hearsay so i will just put moo

Pruddennce

03-17-2009, 07:55 PM

The question was had it been confirmed she didn't leave the home-confirmed by LE.

Not if he thought she had left the kids alone- in fact he said he believed she had not left the trailer that night.

He was honest and said as far as he knew it had not been 100% confirmed- you think he should have lied?

He believes her.

he believes her. but LE is not comfortable with her numerous interviews. that should give HIM pause as to why LE thinks she might have left the home.

but then again we have an adult male having relations with a minor which is considered statutory rape in florida. but of course LE wasnt investigating their bedroom activity, not with the welfare and disposition of a child at stake. it would have been a whole other investigation.....and now the point is moot because they are married.

slimer. it was done for a reason.

I have no other word for RC despite the 'tragic event' he is caught up in.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

cloe23

03-17-2009, 07:55 PM

How did Junior see a jumping couch if he was in the master bedroom in Ron's bed?:confused:

The same way he saw the squeaky shoes?

cloe23

03-17-2009, 07:56 PM

Anyone know when Misty is going to be 18 ?

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:57 PM

This was the first I heard about the couch and squeaky shoes. That is more specific than just a man in black being there. They need to talk to this little boy and find out what it is that he thinks he saw.
Children this age can easily make things up, from dreams, previous things that happened, movies as mentioned before, but this sounds like he told this on two different occasions. He saw something like this at sometime. I don't know when or where but he is not making this up.

The couch is new, the squeaky shoes were mentioned in the interview with craig rivera on geraldo

MrLucky917B

03-17-2009, 07:57 PM

Anyone know when Misty is going to be 18 ?

sometime in December....

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 07:57 PM

Anyone know when Misty is going to be 18 ?

December...

odyssey

03-17-2009, 07:58 PM

Anyone know when Misty is going to be 18 ?
December ninth

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 08:00 PM

That would mean he was awake, so what else did Junior see? Is there no end to this crazy story, every day something new crops up,

moo

No telling what all he saw......:sad:

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 08:01 PM

HOLY MOLY you mean she JUST turned 17? GOOD GOD...... :scared:

Now i might be sick :(

He said he had known her for 7-8 months....Yes, she has just turned 17....

cloe23

03-17-2009, 08:02 PM

sometime in december....

ty.........

mustangtoni

03-17-2009, 08:03 PM

HOLY MOLY you mean she JUST turned 17? GOOD GOD...... :scared:

Now i might be sick :(

And Ron last nite said that he and Misty have been together for 7 months or so...So that would make her 16 when they started the relationship

cloe23

03-17-2009, 08:05 PM

How can one see squeaky? Don't you mean hear? Or am I wrong? Seriously.

Yes, I mean(assuming) hear. My reply was coming from a child's aspect.

teresa

03-17-2009, 08:06 PM

cloe23

03-17-2009, 08:10 PM

I thought Jr was perhaps confusing an officer in a dark uniform for a man in black.

What race are the responding officers BTW? (per Jr's "man in black" which later morphed into, "black man in black")

Additionally, how did this person get in... and.... etc. anyway?

Excellent point. I have read this theory posted before. Jr. most likely saw/ heard LE and the search. I bet more then just the couch was jumping once they arrived. (Feeling stupid for over reacting, again)

IlliniFan

03-17-2009, 08:11 PM

On GR's show, didn't he say yes to Misty in being in bed asleep with him?

Maybe some dude in black bumped into the couch but I think this little boy has been around too many adults theorizing, etc.

Crystal didn't mention the "couch" in the Craig Rivera interview....?

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 08:11 PM

wow...and this whole time for some reason i thought she was just about to turn 18 .

i got married at 18 and my parents thought i was about 10 years to young to think about marriage or children.

I've never had a daughter, but if I had, I can't imagine her at 16 seeing a 25 year old MAN...

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 08:14 PM

I've never had a daughter, but if I had, I can't imagine her at 16 seeing a 25 year old MAN...

Nope, that'd qualify for shotgun time!

Pruddennce

03-17-2009, 08:15 PM

And Ron last nite said that he and Misty have been together for 7 months or so...So that would make her 16 when they started the relationship

and if the reports are correct, he also has another child by another 'child' who was 17 at the time (now 19 yr old Amber)

who else finds this despicable?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 08:15 PM

Nope, that'd qualify for shotgun time!

LOL.True..
It's called jail bait around here.....:biggrin:

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 08:15 PM

Ronald and Misty's parents should be smacked over the head. but hey that won't bring Haleigh home and right now that's all that matters to me. But when she gets home i hope the LE looks into Ronald and his teenage girlfriends.

Well, that's what some of us have been trying to say....

:shrug:

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 08:16 PM

and if the reports are correct, he also has another child by another 'child' who was 17 at the time (now 19 yr old Amber)

who else finds this despicable?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

I wonder how many other young kids he has dated........

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 08:17 PM

LOL.True..
It's called jail bait around here.....:biggrin:

Except I'd be the one in jail!

:laugh:

crymeariver2006

03-17-2009, 08:17 PM

I wonder how many other young kids he has dated........

And how many have been caretakers of the children?

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 08:18 PM

Except I'd be the one in jail!

:laugh:

LOL, me too if I had a daughter that age..If I could not put a stop to it, I sure would turn the man in.......

kitty1182

03-17-2009, 08:19 PM

She was living with him. Finding Haleigh is the important factor. Or getting to the truth of what happened. I do think Misty knows more than she's telling and I think Ron might know more than he's fessing up to also. Granted I could be wrong.

I agree......

TaraCrazyHair

03-17-2009, 08:19 PM

Anything new happening today or interviews?

Happy St Patty's Day to you all!

Owlface

03-17-2009, 08:21 PM

Well, that's what some of us have been trying to say....

:shrug:

Ad nauseum. It's like some posters have just had a light go on over their head.

And, by the way, Ron can't be charged with statutory rape unless it's found out that Misty is pregnant (which is why I think they got married) because without a pregnancy there is no probable cause to believe they've had sex 'cause they sure aren't going to admit it.

teresa

03-17-2009, 08:21 PM

Crystal didn't mention the "couch" in the Craig Rivera interview....?

Right....but he did tell her Misty was with him didn't he? I'm just trying to remember because of the implication of what she might have been doing (not by you).

Owlface

03-17-2009, 08:23 PM

Hey, I thought Crystal was going to be on NG tonight! It's just more breaking news about Lee Anthony. Whassup?

teresa

03-17-2009, 08:25 PM

I don't believe that for a second.

Neither do I. But I recognize someone from somewhere else so it doesn't surprise me.

IlliniFan

03-17-2009, 08:25 PM

Right....but he did tell her Misty was with him didn't he? I'm just trying to remember because of the implication of what she might have been doing (not by you).

CR asked if Misty was home or there, then Crystal repeated the question to Jr. and he said yes or shook his head yes..

odyssey

03-17-2009, 08:25 PM

I just wish Haleigh would be found. All this stuff is soap opera fodder but the fact is a little girl is gone, vanished. Come home Haleigh.

Thank you. I totally agree.

cloe23

03-17-2009, 08:28 PM

Anything new happening today or interviews?

Happy St Patty's Day to you all!

Back at ya! I was hoping someone would be clever enough to go green today.

teresa

03-17-2009, 08:31 PM

I'll bet this none big deal DNA news on Lee A bumped Crystal and that's why she was on the other show.

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 08:31 PM

and if the reports are correct, he also has another child by another 'child' who was 17 at the time (now 19 yr old Amber)

who else finds this despicable?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

I find it to be salacious gossip that has no relevance to the missing child. Just something to titillate, like the Lee Anthony DNA incest rumors that were finally put to rest.

march27

03-17-2009, 08:31 PM

How come now ppl believe jr now that did not before? because before he was not implicating Misty in any way?

jmoo

Cant say I believe him ..just reminds me of that other case.

odyssey

03-17-2009, 08:32 PM

There is nothing on Nancy Grace's web page about Crystal being on there tonight . not certain where that was advertised if it was.
Perhaps they meant Issues since Crystal was interviewed by phone on Jane's show ....

jmoo

cloe23

03-17-2009, 08:34 PM

Hey, I thought Crystal was going to be on NG tonight! It's just more breaking news about Lee Anthony. Whassup?

Crystal was on JVM show. Should be a transcript soon. She was bad mouthing Misty but Jane announced that none of her accusations have been proven.(Paraphrasing)
Read up and you will see what else Crystal had to say.........

teresa

03-17-2009, 08:35 PM

Pruddennce

03-17-2009, 08:36 PM

I just wish Haleigh would be found. All this stuff is soap opera fodder but the fact is a little girl is gone, vanished. Come home Haleigh.

I respectfully disagree. ..ITS THEIR LIFE...and Ron has a proclivity for MINORS. its fact, not fodder.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 08:36 PM

and if the reports are correct, he also has another child by another 'child' who was 17 at the time (now 19 yr old Amber)

who else finds this despicable?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

I find it totally despicable but it still does not make Ron C a murderer.
JMO

caphill

03-17-2009, 08:36 PM

Crystal says she has never been in the Cummings home yet she now seems to know so much about what went on in the house for drugs. She seems to know things about Misty's life of partying and drugs though she lives 1 1/2 hours away and comes into town for a pick up of the kids a couple times a month

She mentions a cousin that tells her things.

IlliniFan

03-17-2009, 08:37 PM

TN seems very genuine to me and always has...

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 08:38 PM

Exactly, Swarovski; That's one reason imo, that Mother Neves is in full spin mode. She cries; but I think she's crying for Ron (as in.... whatever he did) as well as for Haleigh.

Also, I would not be at all surprised if it comes to fruition that Mother Teresa was involoved in any or all of the following:

** "advising" Ron that night or prior to that day....

** actively "helping" Ron with.... whatever "happened"

** arranged to have someone else "help" Ron and/or Misty

** Or knows what happened and is holding him together as in not letting Ron go balisitc and go into orbit on national TV with Geraldo

** Came over before the stated time that night/morning and helped them create that ludicrous and very poorly rehearsed 911 call

** Came over before the stated time that night/morning and helped them stage that scene of the "door WIDE open" and the "I seen 3" which never happened in my opinoin or I am Mary Queen of Scots.

MOO

I wanted to support Pia. I don't believe 1 bit of truth is posted above and such rumormongering takes on a life of it's own.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 08:39 PM

Crystal was on JVM show. Should be a transcript soon. She was bad mouthing Misty but Jane announced that none of her accusations have been proven.(Paraphrasing)
Read up and you will see what else Crystal had to say.........

Crystal needs to use her breath to beg for her child back and not bad mouth her ex-boyfriend and Misty. Crystal is using the media to air her dirty laundry. The purpose of getting in front of the camera is to find her child. Crystal needs to make that her focus. JMO

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 08:41 PM

TN seems very genuine to me and always has...

She does to me as well and my heart goes out to this grandmother.
JMO

Pruddennce

03-17-2009, 08:42 PM

I find it to be salacious gossip that has no relevance to the missing child. Just something to titillate, like the Lee Anthony DNA incest rumors that were finally put to rest.

is it a fact he has a child with a then minor? if it is, it is not gossip. he has a problem with controlling his desires. its called statutory rape in florida. unfortunately, this particular assembly of adults didnt feel it necessary to 'break up' Ron's relationship with a minor.

and I respectfully disagree, it has a bearing on this case. everything is pertinent.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Pruddennce

03-17-2009, 08:42 PM

IIRC....the version I remember is Jr says he was sleeping w/ Haleigh......I could be wrong but thats what I remember.

TT, first version, you are correct.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

teresa

03-17-2009, 08:43 PM

cloe23

03-17-2009, 08:45 PM

Crystal needs to use her breath to beg for her child back and not bad mouth her ex-boyfriend and Misty. Crystal is using the media to air her dirty laundry. The purpose of getting in front of the camera is to find her child. Crystal needs to make that her focus. JMO

I agree, and to think she is being represented by council and still made these accusations. Unbelievable!

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 08:45 PM

I respectfully disagree. ..ITS THEIR LIFE...and Ron has a proclivity for MINORS. its fact, not fodder.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Pruddennce, do we know Amber's age? The only teen I know for sure that Ron C has dated would be Misty. When Ron was with Crystal, he was only 19 himself.

I totally respect what you are saying but I have not seen anything about Amber's age. Maybe she is 18 or so? Don't know and maybe someone on here will know Amber's age.

Owlface

03-17-2009, 08:46 PM

Crystal is going to need a new lawyer soon...a defamation one.

It's only defamation if it's not true. I think Crystal knows Ron pretty well and she spends every other weekend with children who live in Ron's home.

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 08:49 PM

is it a fact he has a child with a then minor? if it is, it is not gossip. he has a problem with controlling his desires. its called statutory rape in florida. unfortunately, this particular assembly of adults didnt feel it necessary to 'break up' Ron's relationship with a minor.

and I respectfully disagree, it has a bearing on this case. everything is pertinent.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

It has NOT been established as fact, that's what it's call gossip. Even if true there is a huge difference between a 16 or 17 year old who can willingly get married with parental consent and a 5 year old. The kind of freaks that go for small children are a whole other breed than a young man who marries a teenager 8 years younger. Not saying Ron's decision was right to me, just that it does not relate to a missing 5 yr old.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 08:49 PM

I agree that young children can be credible, not that they necessarily verbalize things the same way an adult would.

I'm not saying I necessarily believe the rumors of what Jr.'s credited with having said. I have no idea if he said the rumored things or not. He may have seen something that night and maybe not. I have no idea.

I agree with grammybear that I've found young children to be truthful.

I would be interested to see if the story Junior gave LE was the one he told his mom. Crystal was very leading on the interview I saw with Junior. It was reported that LE (or child specialist within LE) questioned the child. At some point, maybe we will learn what Junior told the LE specialist.
I too think children are truthful but I also know you can lead a child by suggestion. And, as has been posted here, children hear adults talking when you do not think they are listening.
JMO

Owlface

03-17-2009, 08:50 PM

Claims of Inconsistency's Addressed.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Claims-Of-Inconsistency-Addressed/ev2Pb1U-b0mBCCdkBKpkSQ.cspx

"He has never done drugs around his kids---that is an outright lie.”

How on earth would she know whether or not he has done drugs around his kids - obviously she has not been there every minute to know it to be a fact.

VII

03-17-2009, 08:53 PM

It's only defamation if it's not true. I think Crystal knows Ron pretty well and she spends every other weekend with children who live in Ron's home.

when Crystal and her atty were on one of the TH shows ..
I thought they clearly indicated that they've been collecting their own facts, had found out lots of stuff about RC's behavior and activities and HAD turned it over to CPS for their investigation....

there was some board chatter about this over the w/end....

IIRC

7

cloe23

03-17-2009, 08:54 PM

Owlface

03-17-2009, 08:54 PM

It has NOT been established as fact, that's what it's call gossip. Even if true there is a huge difference between a 16 or 17 year old who can willingly get married with parental consent and a 5 year old. The kind of freaks that go for small children are a whole other breed than a young man who marries a teenager 8 years younger. Not saying Ron's decision was right to me, just that it does not relate to a missing 5 yr old.

Bolding mine.

How do you know that Ron's decision to marry a young girlfriend does not relate to his missing 5 year old? The fact that he left his child with a young, inexperienced caretaker may have everything to do with Haleigh being kidnapped, if indeed that's what happened.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 08:56 PM

True but she's in a tough situation too. If I thought an ex and his current paramour were doing drugs when my child vanished from their home it would be very difficult not to be angry enough to say something about it.

The missing child with possible drugs involved is definitely more than just some dirty laundry. It may be facts of this case. Gawd I hate drugs. What they've done to our society is disgusting. It's like a cancer. And yes I know Crystal said she used drugs in the past also.

That said I agree with you that she should try very hard to focus on finding her dtr. If I lost a child like this and had info drugs were involved you could expect me to talk about and loudly. Maybe it would flush some of the dopers out of the slime that is illicit drugs long enough to find my child. hypothetical.

IA with so much of what you said as well. It is my opinion this is most likely not new news to Crystal if it is true. So, my question is why she did not speak up loud and clear before now. The best thing Crystal could have done was to get her act together immediately after custody placement 3 years ago.

It is just hard for me to understand a mother that is out having yet another baby when her first two children are not in her custody. If she loves them as she says and is worried for their safety, that should have been her first concern in life. It makes Crystal look bad to me for her to be taking advantage of Haleigh disappearance to run down the father of her children.

Drugs. Nothing good every comes out of drugs. I hate them too!

JMO

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 09:00 PM

when Crystal and her atty were on one of the TH shows ..
I thought they clearly indicated that they've been collecting their own facts, had found out lots of stuff about RC's behavior and activities and HAD turned it over to CPS for their investigation....

there was some board chatter about this over the w/end....

IIRC

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WTH? Why don't they use their resources to help find Haleigh? That just makes no sense to me at all. Why waste resources on digging into Ron C past so Crystal can get custody right now? Good Lord.
Junior is fine where he is right now. Ron said on NG the baby is with his grandmother when he is not there.
JMO

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 09:01 PM

Has Crystal coughed up her back child support yet?

Anyone know?

Owlface

03-17-2009, 09:02 PM

I believe drugs and drug use is key to what happened to Haleigh. My 3 theories are: she ingested drugs she found in the home and died; a drug deal, current or prior, gone bad resulted in somebody Ron wronged taking Haleigh for revenge; and Haleigh was accidentally hurt by Ron and/or Misty maybe while under the influence of drugs.

As a police informant (I don't know if this is fact or rumor) he would make a lot of enemies. Enemies with no consciences.

I also believe that Ron and Misty both equally know what happened that night. Either Ron is waiting to get his revenge himself or it was his/Misty's fault. I believe that's what he meant when he said when it was time he was going to take out the trash.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 09:02 PM

O Amber's myspace, she claims to be 19.

moo

TY
I thought I remembered reading her myspace a while back but did not bookmark and could not remember.

The only comment I will make is I totally disagree with a 25 y/o man dating teens. Bottom line. Having said that I will go on to add that I do not believe it makes a man a pedophile just because he dates or marries a teen. JMO

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 09:03 PM

I wonder why they took clean clothes when they must have had a washer and dryer per Misty she washed and dryed the blankets,,,,jmo

It was said on NG last night the kids left some clothes at the g-grandmother's house and she washed them before taking them home.

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 09:03 PM

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Bolding mine.

How do you know that Ron's decision to marry a young girlfriend does not relate to his missing 5 year old? The fact that he left his child with a young, inexperienced caretaker may have everything to do with Haleigh being kidnapped, if indeed that's what happened.

I can't see it. People leave their kids with 15 and 16 yr old babysitters everyday and go out until wee hours of the morning. Misti's age had nothing to do with it. Jessica L. was taken with 2 seniors in the house. Were they too old to be babysitting? Was Ed Smart and his wife too middleaged? The only reason people bring up Misti's age in this case is because she wasn't JUST a babysitter, she was his live-in girlfriend. That brings up the issue of wanting to spin Ron into a sexual predator. Even Crystal said Misti took good care of the kids and they loved her.

VII

03-17-2009, 09:04 PM

Me too grammy. I've thought if us adults would listen to children more we might learn something. They can be very wise.

hypothetical ...
If JR saw something regarding the couch, the man in black, and squeaky shoes ...
perhaps Haliegh did as well ...
Misty (and/or who she was with) was afraid Haliegh may say something to Daddy Dearest
resulting in injury to HER (and/or who she was with)
so whoever was WITH her took Haliegh ...
somewhere

:sneaky:

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IlliniFan

03-17-2009, 09:05 PM

I wonder why they took clean clothes when they must have had a washer and dryer per Misty she washed and dryed the blankets,,,,jmo

Sometimes Grandma's are just nice that way...

CC I See

03-17-2009, 09:07 PM

Hi odyssey,
I just wanted to comment on Jr remembering anything. I raised 3 girls and helped raise 5 grandchildren and I have learned over the years that children at the age of 3-5 can be very credible in what they tell you. As an adult we sometimes have to learn to pick out info they give us that they might have learned from other people or what they might have seen on tv or a movie.
I have never doubted that this sweet boy probably did see and hear something that went on. I just hope the authorities do have someone who is very good with children in learning what happened to Haleigh.
I am very confused about this case. Some cases I can get a feel for what has happened but there just seems to be a lot of mixed signals on this case.
I try to read up as much as I can but I must be getting really old because somedays I cannot keep up.
Ok back to lurk mode.

jmoo.... I agree, something very traumatic happened that night to Ron Jr. and he knows that Haleigh is missing. Unless this child has been taught to lie, children this age are very honest and truthful. He may not be able to express himself very well, but he is doing OK with it. I think LE should pay attention to him.

I believe that someone was there that night with Misty and Haleigh became a victim. This also may be the real reason that blanket was washed to get rid of evidence of that visit. Maybe it would be better if Ron Jr. went back to live with his mother, and safer.

Rushbo

03-17-2009, 09:07 PM

hypothetical ...
If JR saw something regarding the couch, the man in black, and squeaky shoes ...
perhaps Haliegh did as well ...
Misty (and/or who she was with) was afraid Haliegh may say something to Daddy Dearest
resulting in injury to HER (and/or who she was with)
so whoever was WITH her took Haliegh ...
somewhere

:sneaky:

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I wondered the same thing.

teresa

03-17-2009, 09:08 PM

TT, first version, you are correct.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Do you have a link? I just watched the video on Fox and didn't see it.

VII

03-17-2009, 09:09 PM

WTH? Why don't they use their resources to help find Haleigh? That just makes no sense to me at all. Why waste resources on digging into Ron C past so Crystal can get custody right now? Good Lord.
Junior is fine where he is right now. Ron said on NG the baby is with his grandmother when he is not there.
JMO

I dunno ...
maybe they think digging into RonC past could lead to what happened to Haliegh?

I don't have a high degree of regard for the grandmother(s) ...
they had a hand in raising RonC

sorry
jmo

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Owlface

03-17-2009, 09:10 PM

I have really thought about #1 on your list and maybe Misty got rid of her body beforw Ron got home.

I believe that if Ron thought Misty had anything to do with hurting Haleigh and he was totally innocent of it that the first thing we would have heard about was not a "kidnapping" but Misty's homicide.

VII

03-17-2009, 09:11 PM

Has Crystal coughed up her back child support yet?

Anyone know?

You mean the "back child support" that accumulated after she had a wreck, lost her job and was pregnant?

prawly not

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Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 09:11 PM

Have there been any community searches such as what they did with Caylee?

I saw an interview with a guy about 2 weeks ago regarding searches. He said he was a LE officer in another town but takes his days off to search for Haleigh. He had a dog with him and when the camera panned, I saw other's searching as well. I sure hope that citizens and off duty LE officers are still searching.

teresa

03-17-2009, 09:12 PM

It's only defamation if it's not true. I think Crystal knows Ron pretty well and she spends every other weekend with children who live in Ron's home.

I was talking about the stuff she said about Misty. That statement needs to be proved if you're going to say that on national TV.

This is just going to get so messy. Next, we'll have the other side coming out with fiance Chad's cocaine record and order of protection and there he was spending four days a month with these kids. And Crystal's myspace and car wreck and filing a false report and speeding tickets. None of this matters right now.

None of this is helping find Haleigh. Let them dig dirt after she is found.

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 09:15 PM

The issue that I have with trying to ignore and discount what Crystal is saying is that in doing so it barring her right to express her concern for the safety and well being of Jr at this time.

No one knows exactly what has happened to little Haleigh at this time. Misty's inconsistancies leave a huge "?" and IMHO it would be in Jr's best interest if Misty were not allowed to be around Jr. AT ALL until there is a final conclusion one way or the other as to Misty's innocence or guilt...Would you want to be responsible for forcing that girl Misty into Jr's life if somehow it were proven that Misty had actually done something to little Haleigh? Crystal IS the biological Mother of Haleigh and Jr and her concerns and fears are genuine. Regardless if complete strangers on the internet like her or not she has rights.
More importantly Jr. and Haleigh also have rights as well.

AMOO

If Crystal really feels that Junior is in danger then her "new attorney" needs to file an emergency injunction for immediate custody. The court or judge will look at Crystal's claims and make a decision based on the facts if Junior is in danger or not.

The DRAMA in the media is not going to get her what she wants.
JMO

CC I See

03-17-2009, 09:18 PM

All we need to know is who was there that night, who took Haleigh and where is she now? Simple questions that have nothing to do with the back child support that Crystal owes or whether Ron hit her when she was pregnant and whether they all hate and want to trash each other on national TV.

Who was there and what did they do with Haleigh....very very simple.

playnice

03-17-2009, 09:18 PM

Sometimes Grandma's are just nice that way...

Im a nice one.:biggrin: When babies come to spend the night I give them baths and take their dirties and throw them in the hamper. I dont send dirty clothes back to my kids.

PerneciaJane

03-17-2009, 09:18 PM

[QUOTE=caphill;12903452]Crystal says she has never been in the Cummings home yet she now seems to know so much about what went on in the house for drugs. She seems to know things about Misty's life of partying and drugs though she lives 1 1/2 hours away and comes into town for a pick up of the kids a couple times a month

She mentions a cousin that tells her things.[/QUOTE
Hopefully it is not cousin Amanda since she has a very long record with a couple being breaking and entering, grand theft.

doctor_J

03-17-2009, 09:19 PM

You mean the "back child support" that accumulated after she had a wreck, lost her job and was pregnant?

prawly not

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As long as you brought it up, what about the current child support on Ron Jr.? Do you think she's helping Ron out with his upkeep as whe speak? He still has to eat, have a roof over him, clothes, etc.

cloe23

03-17-2009, 09:20 PM

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 09:20 PM

I dunno ...
maybe they think digging into RonC past could lead to what happened to Haliegh?

I don't have a high degree of regard for the grandmother(s) ...
they had a hand in raising RonC

sorry
jmo

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Sometime kids just turn out the way they do regardless of how they were raised. I've personally not seen anything out of TN or the g-grandmother that would make me think they were not capable of taking care of Junior. JMO

caphill

03-17-2009, 09:21 PM

The same cousin who claims to have seen Ron smack Haleigh so hard she fell flat on her face, yet didn't call the authorities? Uh huh.

I was in no way convinced when I saw Crystals interview about the black man in black. All Rj did was nod when she talked for him and then prodded him to agree.

She had nice things to say about Misty in the early days and admitted the kids loved her. Now every time she speaks she throws accusations to abuse from to te new drug accusations to Misty.

All I have to say is if she had reports from her cousin or who ever that abuse or drugs were a problem in the last 3 yrs the kids has been living with their father, why wasn't she trying to rescue the kids.

Politigal

03-17-2009, 09:21 PM

On the new "Haleigh Bug" center that Crystal & friends are opening....

IMO, they are capitalizing on Haleigh's disappearance and commercializing it. Obviously they are soliciting donations. I think they're hoping this will be their cash cow.

And they say it's a place to give tips. Hogwash.

Police already have a tip line, Crimestoppers, people can go down to the police station, phone them, email them, etc.

But that's just my take on it.

MrLucky917B

03-17-2009, 09:21 PM

Claims of Inconsistency's Addressed.

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Claims-Of-Inconsistency-Addressed/ev2Pb1U-b0mBCCdkBKpkSQ.cspx

Whats with this line.

He has never done drugs around his kids---that is an outright lie.”

playnice

03-17-2009, 09:23 PM

LE has verified that information publically a long time ago:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/18/florida.missing.girl/

"He said Haleigh's father's alibi, that he was at work, had been confirmed." (He being Capt. Dick Schauland of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office)

Investigators also met with the 25-year-old Cummings, he said.

"We are satisfied with the interviews that we have had so far with Ronald, and his account of the eight hours in question," Bowling added.

Published: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:35 AM EDT
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/13/news/news01.txt

CC I See

03-17-2009, 09:23 PM

I agree but right now I guess Ron believes in her.
I still say she knows what happened to Haleigh and she knows what while happen to herself if Ron ever finds out that she hurt the child. jmoI think that Haleigh saw something she shouldn't and had to disappear and now Ron Jr. may be in danger. Misty herself may be in danger if Ron finds out what they were trying to hide.

odyssey

03-17-2009, 09:23 PM

The child support issue is a personal jab IMHO.
(Why would a complete stranger throw personal jabs like that? Boggles the mind though ennit?)

Apparently the court put aside the issue of child support due to Haleigh's disappearance and Crystal has not yet had a chance to appear/respond in court to the allegation against her so "ASSUMING" that she owes child support is just that right now...an assumption.

You might want to let her mom know to stop saying she owes it then. I posted the link before but i'm sure it is in the links thread.

jmoo

teresa

03-17-2009, 09:24 PM

VII

03-17-2009, 09:26 PM

As I said last night my brother had a five-way bypass and was out of work for three months. He still had to pay his.

I understand, she still owes hers as well....
SOME folks don't have Aflack, other temp disability benefits or sick/vacation leave to keep the money coming in.
She is young, probably works min wage at best .... and DID pay when she was working.

Don't get me wrong, I have "Issues With Crystal" as well ...
IMO, she flip-flopped between her first interview when the case broke to what she is saying today, not to mention, the make-over ....

time will tell, I suppose.

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IlliniFan

03-17-2009, 09:27 PM

I think the whole bunch should just quit talking to the media. I don't know how well I would handle being on camera/answering questions all the while in a cloud of grief...Not to mention the analysis of every word you said, how much you cried or didn't cry, and the list goes on and on...

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 09:27 PM

I agree but right now I guess Ron believes in her.
I still say she knows what happened to Haleigh and she knows what while happen to herself if Ron ever finds out that she hurt the child. jmo

I think it is possible that a SO watched that child, watched the activities of the family and made his plan to take Haleigh.
It is possible that Misty was drinking or doing some other substance that night and she did not hear a thing. In Misty's defense, she may just be a deep sleeper and did not hear anything. And, maybe she did hear something in her sub-conscience and that is why she woke up.

I've often wondered if the reason Misty could not recollect events is because she was under the influence of something. Just speculation and thoughts on my part.

I really believe a SO took the child. As good as it sounds, I do not believe a drug deal gone bad is the cause.
JMO

Mamie

03-17-2009, 09:28 PM

WTH? Why don't they use their resources to help find Haleigh? That just makes no sense to me at all. Why waste resources on digging into Ron C past so Crystal can get custody right now? Good Lord.
Junior is fine where he is right now. Ron said on NG the baby is with his grandmother when he is not there.
JMO

I'm not surprised one bit about what the attorney and Crystal are "digging up". This seems to be Crystal's motivation here. I noticed on JVM show tonight she said she didn't hire the PI. So the praise people were giving her in doing that was mistaken. I wonder who did get hold of the PI though on this case. I agree with you that Junior is just fine where he is. JMO

MrLucky917B

03-17-2009, 09:29 PM

Yeah. For an old "BOMBSHELL"

In Session posters knew Lee wasn't the baby daddy through released documents two weeks ago.

Where DOES Nancy get her research done? Dollar General? :sneaky:

Sorry about the OT

For awhile I though I was becoming physic, thanks for reminding me where it came from 2 weeks ago:thumbup:

Leather&Lace

03-17-2009, 09:31 PM

Why should something like this have to wait for Crystal or her attny to be involved? DCF is already in the mix from what I understood. Under the circumstances they should already have considered this situation on their own.
If it is found that Misty did indeed have something to do with Haleigh's disappearance then it would be a massive DOUBLE black eye on DCF for sure!

My point is that Crystal is going about getting Junior the wrong way. It will be the court to give her custody of Junior not the media.
Just ugly mud slinging IMO.

iluvspring

03-17-2009, 09:31 PM

All this talk about Crystal having custody of Jr. makes me wonder how she would be able to care for him. She can't pay child support. How can she support this child?

cloe23

03-17-2009, 09:31 PM

The same cousin who claims to have seen Ron smack Haleigh so hard she fell flat on her face, yet didn't call the authorities? Uh huh.

I was in no way convinced when I saw Crystals interview about the black man in black. All Rj did was nod when she talked for him and then prodded him to agree.

Bolding mine.
What parent wouldn't go to ANY length to find out what happened to their child? Call it prodding, heck I would be interrogating. When I think about it, JR could very well have the key?

VII

03-17-2009, 09:31 PM

As long as you brought it up, what about the current child support on Ron Jr.? Do you think she's helping Ron out with his upkeep as whe speak? He still has to eat, have a roof over him, clothes, etc.

If I were a bettin' woman, I'd say "No, she's most likely not doing that right now" ...

Has RonC gone back to work?
nah ...
He's been gettin' hitched and flyin' up to NYC ...

jmo

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Mamie

03-17-2009, 09:32 PM

I think it is possible that a SO watched that child, watched the activities of the family and made his plan to take Haleigh.
It is possible that Misty was drinking or doing some other substance that night and she did not hear a thing. In Misty's defense, she may just be a deep sleeper and did not hear anything. And, maybe she did hear something in her sub-conscience and that is why she woke up.

I've often wondered if the reason Misty could not recollect events is because she was under the influence of something. Just speculation and thoughts on my part.

I really believe a SO took the child. As good as it sounds, I do not believe a drug deal gone bad is the cause.
JMO

I have wondered that too about Misty, whether she can't remember things because she partied on something, or maybe something was fed to her without her knowledge and on purpose so that she wouldn't be coherent when the child was taken. JMO