Monday March 16, #2 [Archive] - Page 2 - In Session Message Boards

4Kids

03-16-2009, 09:57 PM

Those were your children and I hope your husbands children correct?

Turn this around and assume you had your daughter in the bed with your boyfriend and you and he was not her father... would it still seem completely natural?

Kind of like what Michael Jackson does with little boys he is unrelated to? Still completely natural?

So, if you are not the parent of a child, you should not be in the same bed with said child. You are comparing Misty to Michael Jackson? Would you apply the same standards to all step parents? Uncles, aunts or is it specific to not blood related. No offense Brat...but the comparison to Michael Jackson and Misty is plain wrong. You are implying pedophilia. Very wrong. IMO

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 09:58 PM

I found that very very odd myself. And where was Misty I guess he isnt letting her in front of another camera:laugh: He said they didnt even have a honey moon I wonder if there still married? jmo

Did he say no honeymoon?

Does that mean they did not consummate the marriage?

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 09:58 PM

Maybe he just respects Nancy more than he does Meredith.:wink:

Especially given that Nancy has been so gracious with his mother. Also, I have seen grown children (35 years old) not be able to handle their parent breaking down in a crisis. When getting to the bottom of it, we wondered if the adult child simply couldn't process that the parent wasn't able to keep it together and comfort them at that time.

Lastly, some people DO NOT have it in them to comfort others in a public situation with so much riding on it. Ron needed to be strong for his plea regarding Haleigh tonight period IMO. :sad:

odyssey

03-16-2009, 09:59 PM

Couple, three questions

Didn't LE already state there were no tool marks on the door?

Doors with deadbolts cannot just be undone from the outside without a key?

Who had keys to the back door?

Yes they can. It is called lock bumping and it leaves no evidence of being done so no forced entry would be noticed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xkkS2p7SuQ

openminded

03-16-2009, 10:00 PM

Miss and Mr are used in a southern slang to show respect for elders. I have taught my children the same. I have encountered people through my journeys in this country and other countries who do not know. It does not mean anything bad. please all southerners chime in! JMO

Once very common in all areas of the South. Now mostly heard in rural areas and small towns in the South. Brings back my childhood when I hear it (even though everyone I called Miss and Mr. when I was a child is gone now).

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 10:00 PM

But you left out why that appointment did not happen... She had court with Ron over custody and was afraid she wouldnt make it on time.

Wasn't that because Ron gave the Court a bogus address on Crystal?

cloe23

03-16-2009, 10:00 PM

My kids took the hinge off my front door the other day and laughed about it! :crying: I have three locks on it! jmo nauseating in my opinion. :angry:

Let me guess you must have triplets:laugh:
My DH taught me how to pick a lock moons ago.

Money Girl

03-16-2009, 10:01 PM

jewel6

03-16-2009, 10:01 PM

Did he say no honeymoon?

Does that mean they did not consummate the marriage?

Good Gawd! i really dont want to know! All i care about is the case being solved and hopefully this child is alive!

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 10:03 PM

I agree yet it brings up the question about why would an intruder turn on the light in the first place. Why take the chance in waking up those in the bedroom? If it is someone who knows the family, then he should know he could be walking into a room staring down the barrel of a gun. Or at the very least a 911 call and 3 screaming kids. You would think he would at least turn it off on his way out as to not illuminate the outside door as he is headed out with Haleigh in his arms. If she was not awake when he picked her up from the bedroom, she surely would be going through the kitchen. These SO need time on there hands to make a getaway and it just makes no sense to first turn on a light and even more so to leave it on.

The intruder would also know the screen door slams shut automatically

And the storm door closes on its own

How many strangers would know those facts?

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:03 PM

You really think that Misty is this clever?

Clever how, Cloe? If she is indeed innocent, any attorney worth his/her salt would assist her in clearing up everything with LE pretty quickly. If she is guilty...better sooner than later, I suppose.

I think Crystal is innocent...therefore, I will not bash her lifestyle. We all have one. I think Ron is innocent, therefore I will not bash his lifestyle. We all have one. Teresa...definitely innocent. Misty...I am still up in the air. If she is guilty of something, it may be leaving them alone. If she beat this child to death, drowned this child, I would assume there would be evidence. It seems there is not. I may be wrong. MOO

jewel6

03-16-2009, 10:03 PM

Let me guess you must have triplets:laugh:
My DH taught me how to pick a lock moons ago.

No, but i have four and all the neighborhood kids. I had went to the grocery store and One of the neighborhood kids told me about it! :unsure:

Mamie

03-16-2009, 10:05 PM

I think its very important who Ron chooses for dating material, it defines his persona. If he doesn't date closer to his age, it can reveal alot about him.

moo

For what merit to Nancy, you or I? It's none of our business. We're here to discuss his daughter missing and events surrounding that, not to dig into his dating practices. JMO

Motomom

03-16-2009, 10:05 PM

Don't forget that originally Haleigh was in bed with her

Something you do not mistake in the heat of the moment

It was only after questioning it morphed into she was on the mattress on the floor

i think it was a play on words to be honest.

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 10:06 PM

Good Gawd! i really dont want to know! All i care about is the case being solved and hopefully this child is alive!

Well, if the consummation did not happen and this was a marriage of convenience then the marriage never took place and it is all null and void

That is why I was asking about the "no honeymoon" part

Ron never seemed to be into the whole marriage thing to begin with

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 10:08 PM

But you left out why that appointment did not happen... She had court with Ron over custody and was afraid she wouldnt make it on time.

She knew this the night before and again made a poor choice regarding the health of a child IMO.

They were to show up with a cardiologist's diagnosis IIRC.

SHE HAD A CHOICE and MADE THE WRONG ONE AGAIN IMO. :thumbdown:

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 10:09 PM

i think it was a play on words to be honest.

Not according to Sheriff Hardy

VAN SUSTEREN: One of — the person who first reported the child missing was the girlfriend to the father. Her name is Misty. She was — she apparently had gone — she had last seen the child about 10:00 PM the night before and that the child was sleeping in the same bed with her? Is that correct?

HARDY: That’s what she’s telling us, Greta, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was any — was the — was there another child in the bed, as well? Because I know there’s another child in the home.

HARDY: No, there was a brother in the home, a younger brother.

VAN SUSTEREN: But he wasn’t in the same bed with the girlfriend and the missing child?

HARDY: No, ma’am. He was — I believe he was in another room, another bed or another — another bedding area. I don’t believe he was on the same bed, no.

Mamie

03-16-2009, 10:10 PM

I thought Meredith was very respectful to both of them. :confused:

Can you be more specific about her alleged attitude?

I read an article a long time ago that she can be a bit "sharp tongued". And, of course, you're not going to see this on camera. Of course she was respectful on camera. I'm not saying she was disrespectful to them OFF camera, but one of her mannerisms or body language might have been caught and maybe that's why he didn't address her as "Ms Meredith". Then again, it could also be like I mentioned that he didn't address her that way because she's not southern. JMO

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:10 PM

Problem is she gets a lawyer she clams up more than she has. Then we are back to step one. Maybe that is why LE is taking it slowand easy, to keep her accessable. I am convinced Misty holds the key to this mystery.

moo

Actually Swaro...I am leaning your way as well. moo

ETA; I am stuck between LE having a one track mind, regardless of the evidence or lack thereof and/or Misty being negligent. MOO

Motomom

03-16-2009, 10:13 PM

I agree M. Klaas is fair but I also feel strongly that he had a lot more to say. And I think it would have really made Ron mad had he.

i was thinking that if given an opportunity, maybe a little one on one comversation between klass and Ron would help Ron. one on one in private. i think Ron needs someone to talk to, someone that has been there.

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 10:14 PM

Ok, so about the bathroom. Nancy asks why Misty didn't use the one right in the master bedroom. Ron says he never heard that version of the story before. I believe it. Because, in Misty's last interview all she said was that she GOT UP to use the bathroom and noticed the kitchen light on. That does not mean that she went across the house to use the bathroom.

I think that people on the forums assumed she must have used the one across the home and that's how that rumor got started.

yeah I wondered about that from day one and someone told me not all people us the bathroom in thier bedroom but I knew better I think she just woke and saw a light on since they leave the door open not that she got up to go across the trailer to use the bathroom. BUT I would have thought he would have ask her that for sure by now we are going into over a month I am sure he ask her all those questions and if not I sure would not marry a person I did not talk to.

playnice

03-16-2009, 10:14 PM

Watching NG now. Ron and his mom both look beaten down and Teresa looks like she is not going to hold it together much longer.
I dont know what to think any more so I think Im just going to stop having an opinion. I am too all over the place with this case. :sad:
I hope there is a break soon and this dont end up unsolved like Trentons.

cloe23

03-16-2009, 10:14 PM

Clever how, Cloe? If she is indeed innocent, any attorney worth his/her salt would assist her in clearing up everything with LE pretty quickly. If she is guilty...better sooner than later, I suppose.

I think Crystal is innocent...therefore, I will not bash her lifestyle. We all have one. I think Ron is innocent, therefore I will not bash his lifestyle. We all have one. Teresa...definitely innocent. Misty...I am still up in the air. If she is guilty of something, it may be leaving them alone. If she beat this child to death, drowned this child, I would assume there would be evidence. It seems there is not. I may be wrong. MOO

I agree that it is time for Misty to lawyer up. Unfortunate, yes.
Waist of money yes.
I can't entertain that Misty beat Haleigh to death, weighted down the body and dumbed her in the back yard pond. She ain't that smart!

Mamie

03-16-2009, 10:16 PM

It matters to us, it represents his maturity level, his own character, and makes us question his honesty. We have a right to discuss it.

Yes, you're right, we do have a right to discuss it. But that's not how this started out.

mustangtoni

03-16-2009, 10:17 PM

Gotta link? I mean no disrespect, but this is huge imo and needs to be supported.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18909733/detail.html

snipped

-- A sheriff's deputy arrived at the home of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings and removed the back door -- the same door that was found propped open the night the girl disappeared.

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 10:18 PM

Well that is your opinion. She had a valid excuse when she stated that the other times she had been to the cardiologist she had been there hours. If she had missed that court date it would have more than likely been dismissed and Ron probably knew that! Why did he not reschedule it? He had to know at the least a month in advance when that court date was!

IMO the better question would be posed to Crystal. Why didn't she simply bring the child to Ron the night before? History speaks for itself regarding Crystal and the health of her first two children from my POV.

She either blamed Grandma Sykes for falling asleep at the wheel...but when push came to shove....she admitted sometimes she just didn't feel like getting out of bed. That spoke volumes to me and I guess it had some impact on the Magistrate too. JMO tho. :ohmy:

Motomom

03-16-2009, 10:18 PM

True, but also illegal and the most dangerous. In a fire you better hope you have that key because if anyone should die you would probably be charged for it.

REally? Duhhh i never thought about a fire, God forbid. i had no idea they were illegal.

Mamie

03-16-2009, 10:20 PM

yeah I wondered about that from day one and someone told me not all people us the bathroom in thier bedroom but I knew better I think she just woke and saw a light on since they leave the door open not that she got up to go across the trailer to use the bathroom. BUT I would have thought he would have ask her that for sure by now we are going into over a month I am sure he ask her all those questions and if not I sure would not marry a person I did not talk to.

I remember her saying she got up to use the bathroom and saw the light on in the kitchen. I also remember her saying she never made it-----to the bathroom.

Mamie

03-16-2009, 10:23 PM

Well there you go! Now we know where that story came from! Thanks for posting this!

Now how could the sheriff be so disillusioned and wrong if he had not heard that directly from Misty or the officers involved? That is a very big inconsistency!

When was this that the sheriff was interviewed on GVS's show? If it was in the beginning, I can understand his being confused, I mean he was confused about where the boy slept in this same interview. And trust me, working in LE, they do get confused, even in writing up a report. JMO

cloe23

03-16-2009, 10:23 PM

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18909733/detail.html

snipped

-- A sheriff's deputy arrived at the home of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings and removed the back door -- the same door that was found propped open the night the girl disappeared.

TYVM!:smile:

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:25 PM

Well there you go! Now we know where that story came from! Thanks for posting this!

Now how could the sheriff be so disillusioned and wrong if he had not heard that directly from Misty or the officers involved? That is a very big inconsistency!

Is this the same Sherriff that indicated that Cousin Joe was cleared, then later, a spokesman from LE indicated he was not? I am seriously asking, as I m not sure. I don't think this LE is any more sophisticated than Misty. The FBI yes.. Local LE, not so much. Please know I have tons of Blues in my family, and I have the highest regard. It is just a feeling here. MOO

Motomom

03-16-2009, 10:25 PM

More interesting is that he said he was just in the house with a camera crew and the house was pitch dark. I guess that will be Nancy's show tomorrow?

hmm maybe.. guess we'll see about that light then huh. you knwo, when they were showing tonight, that back door looks like a heavy duty door. When she opened in the light came in like that i was surprised. i don't have a door like that, mine have windows.

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 10:26 PM

To me that suggests that Crystal is establishing a home environment to say she can bring JR home to. If she is living in a tent or camper or even a rented apartment temporarily she will have a hard time proving a stable environment.

Yes, kind of like reconstructing the myspace accounts for her and Chad to show a different image IMO. :ohmy:

Mamie

03-16-2009, 10:28 PM

Odd, in any investigation, prior acts, activities, associates tend to help put a case together. Personally I could care less if Ron dates a senior citizen. But when a child goes missing, what his personal life was up to the crime is extremely relevant.

moo

See, I don't have a problem with the investigating people asking him those questions, my problem was with NG asking him that on national television. There were more pertinent questions we would have liked the answers to. For instance, when NG asked Teresa about who was there that night-------Ron said NO, that the cousing was not there. Teresa didn't back down or go back over it, but I heard him say that, others here, heard him say that----so why didn't Nancy tackle that? That was directly invovled with the situation at hand! That's all. JMO

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:28 PM

cloe23

03-16-2009, 10:29 PM

I am mad as hell with LE on their investigation on this case.
We as parents and grandparents deserve more.

Pat

03-16-2009, 10:29 PM

Regarding Crystal admitting to her laziness on doctor appointments, I think she was jammed up tight. IIRC Ron had offered for her to drop Junior off the previous night and he would take responsibility for the appointment in the morning OR if she kept the kids, then she could take JUNIOR TO THE CARDIOLOGIST....

She opted for keeping them and was supposed to take him early to the doctor, but alas it didn't happen. That's what I remember from the transcript and I believe it was explained to the Magistrate or he asked very explicitly.

JMO and a sad opinion concerning the medical care....:crying:

While I'm not crazy about either Ron or Crystal, she was honest with the Magistrate when she admitted she didn't take Haleigh to missed appointments because she just didn't feel like getting out of bed.

Me...I'd of died of shame before admitting something like that. 'Course...my kids never missed dr's app'ts, either. The girl had grits! I'll bet Marie was chomping nails over that.

Ron has those children because Crystal really didn't want custody. If she did, she'd have them. Period. I'd bet dollars to donuts she'd leave Jr. with Ron if everyone else would stay out of her business. Thank goodness Ron DID want the children. There are loads of cases where neither of the parents do.

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 10:30 PM

Well there you go! Now we know where that story came from! Thanks for posting this!

Now how could the sheriff be so disillusioned and wrong if he had not heard that directly from Misty or the officers involved? That is a very big inconsistency!

Precisely

And that was her story still on Feb 12th when Hardy told Greta that

That is why I see LE knocking their heads over her!!

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 10:32 PM

I was not implying pedophilia. Neither of them have been convicted of either. In fact Misty has not even been accused of that. But it doesnt matter, it is not appropriate even if neither Michael Jackson or Misty are doing nothing. And many people believe Michael Jackson was innocent but still believed it was wrong. I myself think even if it is innocent it is just wrong. (Now when Ron is not home, and Misty is alone with the kids then it is no big deal but Ron comes home every night at 3 am so he is in that bed every night.)

NO Bratling he said they were in HIS BED wonder if misty got up and did not sleep in HIS BED when he returned from work. I really dont think so:laugh:

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:32 PM

While I'm not crazy about either Ron or Crystal, she was honest with the Magistrate when she admitted she didn't take Haleigh to missed appointments because she just didn't feel like getting out of bed.

Me...I'd of died of shame before admitting something like that. 'Course...my kids never missed dr's app'ts, either. The girl had grits! I'll bet Marie was chomping nails over that.

Ron has those children because Crystal really didn't want custody. If she did, she'd have them. Period. I'd bet dollars to donuts she'd leave Jr. with Ron if everyone else would stay out of her business. Thank goodness Ron DID want the children. There are loads of cases where neither of the parents do.

I agree with you here Pat. I think you summed it up nicely. I am not sure of "why" Crystal did not, and really can't see why it would be any of my business at this point. MOO

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:33 PM

No they did not.

Really Brat? I had thought I read a statement early on indicating LE had "cleared" all SO's. I am asking here...and not being snarky. MOO

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 10:33 PM

Is this the same Sherriff that indicated that Cousin Joe was cleared, then later, a spokesman from LE indicated he was not? I am seriously asking, as I m not sure. I don't think this LE is any more sophisticated than Misty. The FBI yes.. Local LE, not so much. Please know I have tons of Blues in my family, and I have the highest regard. It is just a feeling here. MOO

Joe Overstreet was cleared

Nobody I ever read or head as said otherwise

???

cloe23

03-16-2009, 10:35 PM

Yup. It sure is.

You know I;m watching Ron for the second time tonight, and it is going thru my mind, that he is living with the adage of *ignorance is bliss*. I don't think he has tried to prod Misty with one question about what went down. He really doesn't want to know. And I can't understand why. I can't think of one male I know who would up and marry someone so soon after she happened to be the last one that spent time with their daughter. Not one!

moo

Ignorance is not innocence.

Motomom

03-16-2009, 10:35 PM

That was my same thought! Why when TN was sobbing her eyes out towards the end of the interview..didn't Ron at least put his arm around his mother... if not hug her??? My hinky is turbo blinking!

I'm sure her pain is intense, as haleigh is probably the light of her life.. however Ron's pain is just as intense, if not more so as she was his life imo. She was his daughter. When Theresa was crying, towards the and Ron had his eyes shut with his head bobbing a bit..did anyone else see that ? he looked like one broken man to me imo.. at that very moment his pain was great imo

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 10:36 PM

While I'm not crazy about either Ron or Crystal, she was honest with the Magistrate when she admitted she didn't take Haleigh to missed appointments because she just didn't feel like getting out of bed.

Me...I'd of died of shame before admitting something like that. 'Course...my kids never missed dr's app'ts, either. The girl had grits! I'll bet Marie was chomping nails over that.

Ron has those children because Crystal really didn't want custody. If she did, she'd have them. Period. I'd bet dollars to donuts she'd leave Jr. with Ron if everyone else would stay out of her business. Thank goodness Ron DID want the children. There are loads of cases where neither of the parents do.

ITA Pat, and it saddens me to the core to think they didn't mean enough to leave with or go back for and that's why I am limited on my sympathy for Crystal. The day I gave birth to my children, it was a forever commitment I will honor through the good and bad. My husband and I have made sacrifices when needed and held them tight thanking God for every moment.

JMO tho.

Mamie

03-16-2009, 10:38 PM

Are you suggesting that the Sheriff would not know the facts or that he might be confused? Seriously? He IS the one in charge. Ok I'll give the benefit of the doubt here... he is only human and is capable of mistakes. But so far no one from that side has ever disputed that she said that!

If Misty said that Haleigh was asleep in the bed with her that night, couldn't that once again be because she's young, excited, worried, scared stiff and has all these people throwing questions at her? I could see, if this was early on in the investigation (you have to know how fast the news people get someone from LE on television if they possibly can) and he could conceivably get the facts misconstrued, temporarily, i.e. he didn't know exactly where Junior slept that night.

So if this were a recent interview on Greta, with the sheriff, then NO, I don't believe he made a mistake at all.

But all I'm hearing is that Teresa says Haleigh was asleep in the small bed. Even when Misty was interviewed on Greta's show, I remember Greta asking her about how far away Haleigh was in her bed away from Misty, like how many feet away was she and they were in separate beds. Right? Not being snarky here, honestly asking, isn't that right?

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 10:39 PM

I know because I watched the show.

I already gave you my opinion. Do I need to repeat it? I'm not interested in discussing your redundant trashing of Crystal. :bored:

Thank you this is not about crystal she may not be the best mom in the world but she was also not with her children the night one went missing and I pray they can work togather for the sake of JR. He needs love in his life from both parents not a big custody case as long as he is safe. jmo

MrLucky917B

03-16-2009, 10:40 PM

In 2 national TV appearances Ron has not worn 1 single Haleigh article, I wonder why?

JMO

Motomom

03-16-2009, 10:40 PM

Gotta link? I mean no disrespect, but this is huge imo and needs to be supported.

is ng back on ? you should be able to tell which door they took because Ron and theresa looked to be right in front of that side of the house unless i was seeing things.. i didn't notice it in the beginning of the show, but towards the end i did.. unless they were just showing it then
..watchign now.. loos like the screen door was the one that was taken.

cloe23

03-16-2009, 10:41 PM

OK I see the sarcastic responses from Ron,
Who in the heck would not be dumbfounded by these moot accusations?

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 10:41 PM

Yeah but she isnt honeymooning in NYC after her celebratory tattoos and marriage is she?

No, the last I heard she went on to have another child with another man and was no longer supporting the two she first had, but the law tabled that one until after Haleigh is brought home.

But I do remember seeing something about her making payments on a wedding dress. JMO. :unsure:

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 10:42 PM

I have a real problem with time and again it is mentioned that Misty runs out the front as Ron drives up. It has never been said that she had JR. in her arms. I just cannot understand her not grabbing him up, as to protect him, if she thought there could easily be a child snatching intruder still in that trailer. And what was she doing watching out a window for Ron to drive up? That would mean her back would of been turned to a possible intruder.

It seems like in running around looking for Haleigh, she would of been screaming her name. Did JR wake up during that time?

Then there is the timing of her waking up just as Ron is driving up. Even he said she is never up at that hour. Weird!!

If she has been confused and innocently messed up her stories to police, as some are guessing, why does she not just say so? Not only does she admit to making inconsistent statements, she cannot even explain why she has done so.

And what about that pink shirt? Too many pieces of this puzzle are just bizarre. Red flags all over the place!!

I so agree!!!

Especially not a word about Jr during this scare

I have to think that he was indeed in another room and completely discarded as all this played out

(Like it was planned?)

Shrug

cloe23

03-16-2009, 10:43 PM

is ng back on ? you should be able to tell which door they took because Ron and theresa looked to be right in front of that side of the house unless i was seeing things.. i didn't notice it in the beginning of the show, but towards the end i did.. unless they were just showing it then
..watchign now.. loos like the screen door was the one that was taken.

They should of taken both from the get go.

Politigal

03-16-2009, 10:43 PM

I have a real problem with time and again it is mentioned that Misty runs out the front as Ron drives up. It has never been said that she had JR. in her arms. I just cannot understand her not grabbing him up, as to protect him, if she thought there could easily be a child snatching intruder still in that trailer. And what was she doing watching out a window for Ron to drive up? That would mean her back would of been turned to a possible intruder.

It seems like in running around looking for Haleigh, she would of been screaming her name. Did JR wake up during that time?

Then there is the timing of her waking up just as Ron is driving up. Even he said she is never up at that hour. Weird!!

If she has been confused and innocently messed up her stories to police, as some are guessing, why does she not just say so? Not only does she admit to making inconsistent statements, she cannot even explain why she has done so.

And what about that pink shirt? Too many pieces of this puzzle are just bizarre. Red flags all over the place!!

If my child were missing from their bed, and a back door wide open, I personally would be scared to death that someone might still be in the home.

I agree...it's very unsettling that Misty was just standing there at the door. I would have called 911 not only about the missing child but for my own safety as well.

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 10:43 PM

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:44 PM

Joe Overstreet was cleared

Nobody I ever read or head as said otherwise

???

In late february LE indicated Joe was "ruled out". Later, around March 4, he was ruled back "in" although not a suspect. MOO

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3410089&postcount=329

Mamie

03-16-2009, 10:44 PM

Hmm. When Ron was talking about changing the dead bolt, his answer was * I DIDN"T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN*. How strange, most people that change locks do it to prevent burglury, but he changes a lock for an abduction. Weird.

moo

What I got from his saying that wasn't weird at all. I got that he changed the deadbolt on the door so that no one else had a key and because he didn't want this to happen----meaning that the worst thing that COULD HAPPEN, happened anyway. JMO

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 10:45 PM

playnice

03-16-2009, 10:46 PM

OMG Sheba from IL on again tonight. That is a bombshell.

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 10:46 PM

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 10:46 PM

OK I see the sarcastic responses from Ron,
Who in the heck would not be dumbfounded by these moot accusations?

Okay Chloe, let's put it out there. Haleigh disappears on Ron's watch technically, yet he is willing to appear anywhere it seems and shows his frustration. He speaks for himself, good, bad and indifferent, but alone he stands.

Mother Crystal appears on the scene, people start to question her, she lashes out at LE over the DNA episode where they couldn't locate her. Then she has a spokesperson, who mysteriously disappears and is replaced with an attorney who seems out of the loop a bit when interviewed on NG. Now Crystal is making a few changes and lawyer is speaking for her to the point of talking about getting therapy for her client.

Something simply isn't right here, but that's JMO and nothing more.

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 10:48 PM

In late february LE indicated Joe was "ruled out". Later, around March 4, he was ruled back "in" although not a suspect. MOO

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3410089&postcount=329

Thanks ya 4Kids thank god for those links

MrLucky917B

03-16-2009, 10:48 PM

OMG Sheba from IL on again tonight. That is a bombshell.

She is on every night, she is the house shill...

JMO

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:49 PM

No they did not. I believe they said they had accounted for all of them. The one who is currently missing is believed or suspected to have killed himself and was missing before Haleigh went missing. Also he is not from that town.

The Sherriff uses the word cleared here. I don't know if he means "cleared" If so...it would make their later statements indicating that no one has been cleared and everyone is a suspect an oxymoron. "Cleared" in a investigation is a BIG word. It should not be used lightly, IMO. MOO

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d15-A-birthday-without-his-big-sister--Haleigh-Cummings-little-brother-turns-four

cloe23

03-16-2009, 10:49 PM

If my child were missing from their bed, and a back door wide open, I personally would be scared to death that someone might still be in the home.

I agree...it's very unsettling that Misty was just standing there at the door. I would have called 911 not only about the missing child but for my own safety as well.

ITA but she was scared, jmo.
Looking for direction from an adult.
It's a kid thing.

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 10:50 PM

She is not working so I am pretty confident it is Chad making those payments but any detail like that would be irrelevant right?

I fully acknowledge Crystal had moved on with her life with much emphasis on Chloe and Chad if you read her postings on her myspace.

But it must have been my bad, I thought you were the poster who suggested maybe Crystal was babysitting and that's why the post on her myspace about WATCHING THE BRATS.

I thought she was talking about her children myself, but that is JMO. :bored:

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 10:51 PM

She is on every night, she is the house shill...

JMO

Oh goodness Mr. Lucky, you really think so? :thumbup:

TaraCrazyHair

03-16-2009, 10:51 PM

It was on super bowl sunday last time he was seen right?

Listed as missing/endangered on the FBI site

N/M that was the other missing SO

Joe Overstreet was simply cleared

Honestly -- I do not think LE is looking at SO's anymore

Just the family

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 10:51 PM

I think so. :shrug:

I am almost sure if you guys are talking about the one that is missing and they found his car in a wal-mart after making a call it was super bowl sunday he was at a bar watching the superbowl if I am correct then called some girl and said he was on his way and never to be seen but the car was found. Correct me if I am wrong anyone cause I dont have a link

CJSMOMMY

03-16-2009, 10:51 PM

Okay Chloe, let's put it out there. Haleigh disappears on Ron's watch technically, yet he is willing to appear anywhere it seems and shows his frustration. He speaks for himself, good, bad and indifferent, but alone he stands.

Mother Crystal appears on the scene, people start to question her, she lashes out at LE over the DNA episode where they couldn't locate her. Then she has a spokesperson, who mysteriously disappears and is replaced with an attorney who seems out of the loop a bit when interviewed on NG. Now Crystal is making a few changes and lawyer is speaking for her to the point of talking about getting therapy for her client.

Something simply isn't right here, but that's JMO and nothing more.

I don't know why Crystal needs an attorney.Every question I ever saw asked of her she answered "I don't know". She didn't know if Haleigh missed school or why.She didn't know anything about the house where her child lived.She didn't know jack.I don't know why she is even mentioned by the news.:thumbdown:

?noanswer

03-16-2009, 10:51 PM

Good point Mr. Lucky. Nor has he posted Haleigh's name on his auto. Instead his message reads, *Only God Can Judge Me.* Very strange of a Dad whose child is missing to make it all about his salvation.

moo

I thought that was what he had on the back. On the front he has something that contains "Haleigh". JMO

sammy

03-16-2009, 10:52 PM

When Nancy was asking Teresa questions about who was there that night Teresa mentioned the cousin and I am almost certain I heard Ron say that the cousin was not there that night.
I'm confused.
Anyway I believe that Mr. Klaas is right that the best thing Misty could do at this time is to speak to the investigators and get that all squared away so that things can proceed from there.
IMOO

Yes, I definitely heard the same inconsistency with Ron and TN's statements ... re: the cousin being there that night.
Nancy Grace asked if the cousin was there that night - TN said YES.
Then, just 10 seconds later Ron is heard saying "NO he was not there that night."

I was yelling at my TV ... c'mon Nancy -- ask a meaningful follow-up question during an interview, and maybe begin to clear up some of the many inconsistencies in this saga.
Sheesh !!!!! Was the cousin there that night - or not ?
Can ANYONE in this family tell the same story ?

It's not that difficult .... the truth is the truth.
The truth does not change.

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 10:52 PM

Listed as missing/endangered on the FBI site

thanks Tara I did not think he had been found and they thought it could be foul play but would like to talk to him if he is found

cloe23

03-16-2009, 10:52 PM

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:53 PM

It was on super bowl sunday last time he was seen right?

I think you are correct Proud Mom. If it was a family member that "saw" him...I don't know if I believe them. Couey's (Lunsford case)family members denied he was in the trailer. LE "believed" them and never searched. Sadly, Couey's family member never even faced an obstruction charge...MOO

MiamiNice1

03-16-2009, 10:53 PM

I'm watching the re-run of the Nancy Grace show....Teresa Neves looks terrible, poor thing. Weight loss, constant crying and pure suffering.

Ron looks less angry, but while callers or the psychologist are commenting and he disagrees, he's making these wild, exaggerated faces (no wonder Nancy Grace likes him, he does the same thing she does when she hears something she doesn't like from one of her TH Defense attorneys - lol!)

I liked that Marc Klaas forcefully came out and said how Ron needs to make it encumbent upon Misty, the need to come clean with a straight story so the focus can come off of her and be on finding Haleigh (paraphrased)

What I'd like to see asked is what were all the "we" statements Misty made on her 911 call...."we" woke up....etc.

On the Breaking News banner on the bottom of NancyGrace, it said that "Teen StepMom walks out of room while being questioned by police" - it went by so fast I hardly caught it.....what's up with that?!

imo

Mamie

03-16-2009, 10:53 PM

She has had ample opportunity to say so! Why hasnt she if that is the case?

She did! If we're talking about Misty saying that Haleigh was in the smaller bed, she did on Greta's show. I remember that because she appeared with Ron and of course, still very guarded in what she said, but Greta had a hard time getting her to equate the distance between the beds. I think a distance of four feet was mentioned and Misty said yes----but Ron corrected her and said it wasn't that far. IIRC! I guess if in the very beginning when I was watching her, I missed the part where she said Haleigh was sleeping with her that night. I just saw her tears and saying how she would never hurt her. I do remember a conversation where she said she had to get up and wash the blanket because Haleigh had wet it but it sounded as if it might have been a different night, or that's when she moved her to the smaller bed. Well, that is a big discrepancy if she had her in her bed, unless earlier in the evening she was in the big bed with her. I can see that confusion coming from a young girl who is already on the spot. JMO

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 10:54 PM

I thought that was what he had on the back. On the front he has something that contains "Haleigh". JMO

yes there is something on the front also

Politigal

03-16-2009, 10:55 PM

ITA but she was scared, jmo.
Looking for direction from an adult.
It's a kid thing.

That's true...she is young, immature, and a bit "slow" imo....

4Kids

03-16-2009, 10:55 PM

Listed as missing/endangered on the FBI site

N/M that was the other missing SO

Joe Overstreet was simply cleared

Honestly -- I do not think LE is looking at SO's anymore

Just the family

Tara...a page back or so, I supplied a link indicating that LE backed off the "cleared" statement for Joe. But the Sherrif did say all SO's were cleared. I supplied a link for that as well. MOO

teresa

03-16-2009, 10:56 PM

WOW WOW AND ANOTHER WOW! Do you really think they already have evidence they could use to arrest her with? NO THEY DO NOT!
If they did she would already be in jail.
Oh I clearly understand about the cases within the prison system where false eye witness testimony was used against people accused of being rapists, murderers etc... that led to false convictions...
What I am not understanding is where's the state's witness in this ordeal with Haleigh? I'm being serious and trying not to be snarky here. Do you know something that the rest of us do not?
What are your thoughts exactly?

Sorry Patricia...I was watching the replay. I think we mis-communicated :smile: I know no more than you. I thought you said if she is telling the truth she should have nothing to fear from talking to LE however much she has to. I was just saying that has backfired on some people. I think she needs a lawyer to explain things to her in very plain English instead of jumping around with her answers without considering the questions might be being phrased differently.

odyssey

03-16-2009, 10:56 PM

I am almost sure if you guys are talking about the one that is missing and they found his car in a wal-mart after making a call it was super bowl sunday he was at a bar watching the superbowl if I am correct then called some girl and said he was on his way and never to be seen but the car was found. Correct me if I am wrong anyone cause I dont have a link

He was at a bar and borrowed the car from a girl and then called her to say it had broken down near wal mart .. when she found the car it was on the side of the highway and he has not with it.

Motomom

03-16-2009, 10:57 PM

I guess Ron doesn't realize how deep he is getting himself either. From a legal stand point he admitted he has dated other teenagers that he could be prosecuted for. From am oral and custody standpoint he just proved Crystal's case.

dated and having sex are two different things imo

Pat

03-16-2009, 10:57 PM

In 2 national TV appearances Ron has not worn 1 single Haleigh article, I wonder why?

JMO

This is just me, but I look at all the "missing" accessories with a jaded eye now. We've seen the McCanns decked out, Casey Anthony & family in their regalia, Scott Peterson with his...what? ribbons or something? Kate McCann swanned around Pria de Luz so loaded down with buttons, clips, ribbons and Cuddle Cat it was a miracle she didn't shed along the way.

The Anthonys (among others) have proven to me that just because you wear the stuff doesn't mean you want the "missing" found.

But again...that's just me.

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 10:59 PM

I don't know why Crystal needs an attorney.Every question I ever saw asked of her she answered "I don't know". She didn't know if Haleigh missed school or why.She didn't know anything about the house where her child lived.She didn't know jack.I don't know why she is even mentioned by the news.:thumbdown:

Well, you can make donations to the Haleigh Bug Foundation now. JMO. :sad:

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:01 PM

I think you are correct Proud Mom. If it was a family member that "saw" him...I don't know if I believe them. Couey's (Lunsford case)family members denied he was in the trailer. LE "believed" them and never searched. Sadly, Couey's family member never even faced an obstruction charge...MOO

O gosh I know 4Kids they sure all lied for him. I can not remember who he spoke with some girl the one that owned the car I think then they did contact his mother who was worried about him but did not think he had anything to do with it but as you say family will say anything so I hope he is found and no harm has come to him and he had nothing to do with it.

odyssey

03-16-2009, 11:01 PM

Are you suggesting that Chad Reynolds took himself out?

IMO that very well is part of his plan.

Chad Reynolds did not commit suicide .. his little sister had just died in a car accident last May and no one in his family believes he would have done anything like that. He either met with foul play or he went on the run for some reason. He may well be holed up somewhere like Ocala National Forest. He did live in Putnam County and his crime was committed in that county as well.

jmoo

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:03 PM

This is just me, but I look at all the "missing" accessories with a jaded eye now. We've seen the McCanns decked out, Casey Anthony & family in their regalia, Scott Peterson with his...what? ribbons or something? Kate McCann swanned around Pria de Luz so loaded down with buttons, clips, ribbons and Cuddle Cat it was a miracle she didn't shed along the way.

The Anthonys (among others) have proven to me that just because you wear the stuff doesn't mean you want the "missing" found.

But again...that's just me.

Pat...again, I can see your point. I look at it the other way, especially since the Lunsford case. He was accused of vulgar things, simply because he did not live the lifestyle of many members of the public. The message board here was overflowing with disgusting what if's, etc. MOO

LE railroading is another issue for me. The Duke case changed my mind forever about LE, to the chagrin of many of my family members who are employed in that field. MOO

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 11:04 PM

Yes, it is your opinion and it certainly isn't mine. Her atty didn't seem at all out of the loop to me. She just got the case. And what do you mean the spokesperson "mysteriouly disappeared?" Has she gone missing too?

And what's wrong with getting therapy for her client? If my child was missing, I'd need therapy too. Wouldn't you?

I hope you're not suggesting that getting therapy or a lawyer is reason to suspect her of any wrong doing.

I'm still waiting for your response to post 458 with your evidence of Nancy Grace trashing Crystal. :sneaky:

The lawyer wasn't too well versed in the custody arrangement and back support IIRC. I have made numerous references to whether I think Crystal is involved in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings and your post is way off base IMO.

The alleged spokesperson is no longer involved from what I've seen. I believe she has posted it on the web herself.

So where is the evidence against Nancy Grace? Still waiting for your answers to 458. :thumbup:

TobyWong

03-16-2009, 11:05 PM

Hi everyone~

So is anyone interested in why, on ng tonight, when talking about what visitors Misty had the night Haleigh disappeared, did Ron state the cousin was NOT there that night? Talk about a HUGE inconsistency. NG blew by it, at first she looked like she was going to question him, but Teresa kept talking so NG never went back to it. I found that little nugget to be very interesting.

moo
Thank You! I didnt watch the 8 p.m & didnt want to see what you all wrote until i saw it myself, then my husband & I watched the replay at 10. We both looked at each other when he said that & were waiting for NG to go back to it. Then I scrolled looking to see if anyone had seen it in the 8pm & nothing until I came across this post. If he wasnt there then just the brother w/ misty's blanket in his van??

MiamiNice1

03-16-2009, 11:05 PM

Misty was asked about that on the Today Show interview. She said that one particular investigator was rude to her and she walked out.
Oh...thanks for replying. I do remember her saying that but didn't connect the two events. Thank you!

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:05 PM

I fully acknowledge Crystal had moved on with her life with much emphasis on Chloe and Chad if you read her postings on her myspace.

But it must have been my bad, I thought you were the poster who suggested maybe Crystal was babysitting and that's why the post on her myspace about WATCHING THE BRATS.

I thought she was talking about her children myself, but that is JMO. :bored:

do you have a link to that I dont remember seeing it on her myspace?

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 11:07 PM

Of course she ran out. She is backed into a corner. Thats what people do when they hit a wall. They run.

Or even better, they LAWYER UP IN A HURRY IMO. :wink:

Odd that only one person has lawyered up after a misunderstanding with LE IIRC. :scared: JMO.

cloe23

03-16-2009, 11:07 PM

Pat

03-16-2009, 11:07 PM

aren't screen doors and storm doors the same?

screen door is nothing but screening. Storm door has a glass panel you can push up and have the screening exposed for ventilation. I don't understand why there would be both.

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:07 PM

Don't forget when Ron and Misty were in one interview when Misty attempted to say Haleigh'sbed was 4 inches away, and Ron had to correct her. Misty has been all over the map with her stories.

moo

lol sorry I had to laugh at that one I know when I was 17 I sure knew 4 inches from 4 feet.:laugh:

Mamie

03-16-2009, 11:09 PM

She has had more than ample opportunity to explain her inconsistencies and even she can not answer that! If it is just an innocent inconsistency, why not say so? Maybe that is because she knows it is not and does not want to be called further on it! Playing dumb seems to be serving her well, and it keeps LE running in circles unable to find Haleigh.

I would wonder if poor Misty even knows the word, "inconsistency". I'm not being harsh on her or making fun at all, I just wonder. I mean it was a simple thing that Greta was trying to get her to understand but I knew the wording Greta was using was not being understood by her at the time.

But I am sure, by this time, that LE knows her comprehension level and is speaking to her on that level. JMO

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 11:10 PM

do you have a link to that I dont remember seeing it on her myspace?

Try the google cache version. I think it came up on a Crystal Sheffield search but it takes a few minutes to download. Brats in the search may highlight it as well.

cloe23

03-16-2009, 11:10 PM

lol sorry I had to laugh at that one I know when I was 17 I sure knew 4 inches from 4 feet.:laugh:

You goof:laugh:

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:10 PM

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 11:12 PM

How can you continue to act like that is a bad thing? A lawyer is overseeing this and any funds donated could very well help find Haleigh. Why does that bother you so much?

HELLO, it is a CELL PHONE FGS. Do you understand how easy it is to penetrate an unsecure connection when making donations on the web or through a cell phone?

JMO:sneaky:

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:13 PM

How can you continue to act like that is a bad thing? A lawyer is overseeing this and any funds donated could very well help find Haleigh. Why does that bother you so much?

Brat is there a new website for Haleigh???I knew crystal had a post the other day a new website would be set up on sunday but have not seen it. let me know if you know. TIA

CANDYKISSES

03-16-2009, 11:14 PM

Lets bring this baby home. ALIVE!

My prayers are for just that and then let the chips fall where they may concerning the adults and all the poor choices IMO. :unsure:

Motomom

03-16-2009, 11:14 PM

Yes, kind of like reconstructing the myspace accounts for her and Chad to show a different image IMO. :ohmy:

i wonder if they will make them public. if so.. you were right imo

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:16 PM

The devil in me is just making me say this. At least Crystal didn't call the kids snot nosed brats. Isn't that what Casey said?

And for the record I call my kids brats often, especially when I think they are acting spoiled. I doubt there isn't one mom on this board that hasn't at one time or another used some kind of lingo about their children.
Raising kids is not always lollipops and roses. I bet Ron had a few choice words at times with Junior and Haleigh. No one's perfect.

moo

Brats. Yeah. I have four. Two with special needs. Menace is my favorite word for my youngest. And I love them with everything I have in me. No...not always lollipops and roses. I give Crystal a big huge pass for that.

It is for that same reasoning that I give Ron a big huge pass for his anger and choice word usage on teh 911 call. Not only was that night not lollipops and roses...that night of his was a parent's worst nightmare. MOo

MOO

Motomom

03-16-2009, 11:17 PM

While I'm not crazy about either Ron or Crystal, she was honest with the Magistrate when she admitted she didn't take Haleigh to missed appointments because she just didn't feel like getting out of bed.

Me...I'd of died of shame before admitting something like that. 'Course...my kids never missed dr's app'ts, either. The girl had grits! I'll bet Marie was chomping nails over that.

Ron has those children because Crystal really didn't want custody. If she did, she'd have them. Period. I'd bet dollars to donuts she'd leave Jr. with Ron if everyone else would stay out of her business. Thank goodness Ron DID want the children. There are loads of cases where neither of the parents do.

pat, you are right here imo. She did own up to her mistakes. maybe you are right. maybe she didn't want custody of two kids at the time. i can understand that more that understand all of the abuse accusations and in the mean time not fighting to get your children.

Rushbo

03-16-2009, 11:18 PM

YVW

I wish Misty would've been there tonight. I wonder if she'll be doing anymore interviews.

Probably not considering her delicate condition.

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:19 PM

I do not think M. Lunsford is a great example for this argument. While he was accused of things he was not guilty of, he is guilty of several other unsavory things that do not put him into the M. Klaas and J. Walsh category.

Lifestyles. I know. There are millions of people living lifestyles that many may frown upon. Ron did. Lunsford did. Therefore, I believe that the LUnsford case a perfect comparison here. Klaas and Walsh are not. IMO

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:21 PM

Am I the only one who has a problem with this Sherriff's usage of the word cleared. He used it about SO's. Yet, Mr Reynolds is an SO from Putnam County. He is missing. Who reported him missing? A family member? Cleared is a word LE should use very cautiously, right? Cousin Joe was "cleared" in late February, but the first week of March LE made a statement (after being asked about Joe) that no one has been cleared. Cleared. What does it mean to this LE? Something different than I have always known. MOO If this is getting old, or I am beating a dead horse....tell me so. But it is truly driving me crazy. MOO

I know 4Kids it is getting very old the only one I have heard them stick to is RC being at work that night but then they say NO one is cleared all of AMERICA is being looked at.
Do you think they know more and just want to see if someone messes up and talks? and the door why so late? Im lost on this investigation. but they may know alot more just not letting it out. jmo

playmateII

03-16-2009, 11:24 PM

Misty was asked about that on the Today Show interview. She said that one particular investigator was rude to her and she walked out.

IMO he called her out on her lies and she booked. I am convinced she left those kids alone that night and came home just before ron got home. I don't think she had anything to do with Haleighs disappearence but I do think she is guilty of leaving and it would not had happened if she was there. JMO

AmndaRcknwth

03-16-2009, 11:24 PM

Hold the phone. you just triggered my memory. I meant to point this out earlier. How come Granny's visit has now moved up to 8pm. Until tonight it was no more than a cursory visit at 7. Now we have a new time line? Wow!

moo

Granny did not see the kids on the 9th, she saw them on the 8th, which is the night before Haleigh disappeared.

The last time Sykes saw her great granddaughter was the night before she went missing. "They put their plates down and came and gave me a hug and a kiss… I kissed her goodbye, and I left," said Sykes.

http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_e11/haleigh-home-family.html

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:24 PM

Has it been announced that she's pregnant?

If so, I apologize.

Otherwise, I'm really getting tired of people speculating and posting as fact things that are WILD accusations.

I try to come on here and read up, a couple times a day, and am having a hard time telling truth from wild fantasy.

If it's been announced she's pregnant, I apologize.

Otherwise, could you please stick to reality?

LOL reality are you serious? and no I do not think it is proven she is preg. I sure in the heck hope she isn't but I do think people wonder why they married and are just trying to figure it out so it is a opinion not a fact at this time. JMO

playmateII

03-16-2009, 11:26 PM

If she is that "special" then why didn't LE & CPS step up to stop this wedding?! She knows what it means now!!!! Maybe not in the beginning of this case but you can bet when that LE agent was screaming liar! Inconsistency! She probably asked.

niether had the power to stop the wedding. JMO

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:28 PM

Granny did not see the kids on the 9th, she saw them on the 8th, which is the night before Haleigh disappeared.

The last time Sykes saw her great granddaughter was the night before she went missing. "They put their plates down and came and gave me a hug and a kiss… I kissed her goodbye, and I left," said Sykes.

http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_e11/haleigh-home-family.html

OMG no way so if no one seen her other than granny she said her brother was there is that true or not? wow if that is true then the brother would have been the last to see her and did she not say he left at 6 or so.

AmndaRcknwth

03-16-2009, 11:29 PM

Has it been announced that she's pregnant?

If so, I apologize.

Otherwise, I'm really getting tired of people speculating and posting as fact things that are WILD accusations.

I try to come on here and read up, a couple times a day, and am having a hard time telling truth from wild fantasy.

If it's been announced she's pregnant, I apologize.

Otherwise, could you please stick to reality?

Nah, RR, I get this one.

Ron had no reason to marry Misty UNLESS she is pregnant.
Being his girlfriend does not prove he took advantage of her age difference, but if she is pregnant, yes. He may be worried about being charged. Mom and grandma seem to be the ones behind the wedding, so my math may be off, but 2+2 here seems to be
*protect Ronald*

Not that I blame them, I would be looking out for my son/g-son also.

Mimi428

03-16-2009, 11:30 PM

i wonder if his wifes ok with that . i wonder if Chads taken a LDT.

I looked all over the Florida records online today trying to find something that would verify that Chad V Griffis (Crystal's fiance') has a marriage license record in the state of Florida. I could not find anything.

So now I am compelled to ask where you found out that information. Got link? TIA

Themis

03-16-2009, 11:30 PM

Hold the phone. you just triggered my memory. I meant to point this out earlier. How come Granny's visit has now moved up to 8pm. Until tonight it was no more than a cursory visit at 7. Now we have a new time line? Wow!

moo
Yes, an new improved expanded time line according to mother Teresa. Have never heard before tonight on NG show that GGM Annette Sykes stayed an entire hour. Before it was to drop off some clothes, say howdy, hug and kiss the kids. Haleigh and Junior were eating dinner at 7 PM in the front screened porch.

Well I say, if Misty is to believed then GGM Sykes was there to see Misty put to bed. JMO

P.S. Now that mother Teresa says Sykes was there from 7 to 8 PM, maybe Sykes can tell LE what the kids were wearing when they were put to bed and exactly which room and bed they were put in.

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:30 PM

4kids

I've meant to tell you this often, and then this case runs away, and I find I neglected once again to tell you how you are an inspiration with your two little debils. One of my kids teaches special needs, I know what some of your days must be like. You have an amazing attitude about it, and I guess your a living testament that God sends these special kiddos to special people.

Sorry for the ot people.

Thanks Swaro. Things can always be worse. They have humbled me and I have become a better person for it. Sorry for the OT.

Mamie

03-16-2009, 11:31 PM

When she put the kids to bed at 8PM she washed Haleigh's blanket and her own. Putting a sheet on Haleigh. When they were done washing/drying she says she put Haleigh's on her and then she went to bed..Somewhere around 10-10:30 PM

Thanks Pia, okay so that takes care of the night she washed the blanket. And so where was Haleigh sleeping that night, did she say Haleigh was in the big bed with her?

TIA!

Motomom

03-16-2009, 11:33 PM

RONALD CUMMINGS: Somebody broke into my house and stole my daughter. I know because I specifically locked those doors before I left for work, and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door because I have got the hole cut in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to get it to lock all the way. And I know it was locked all the way. I checked it myself. And she does not open the door for strangers or wander alone in the dark, nothing like that. So somebody broke into my home and stole my child.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was the door broken when you came home? Was that lock broken when you came home?

RONALD CUMMINGS: No. Obviously, a crowbar or something was used. I’m not sure. You’ll have to speak more with the detectives about what was used or how it was done. I’m not sure.

And LE has since said no tool marks

Yet they took the screen door not the storm door?

(Leads me to believe nobody broke into that door)

Still wondering about the screen door

Ron tells them to speak to detectives though. he isn't trying to hide anything there i don't think. Why not say the detectives are wrong? instead he tells them to talk to the detectives to get the details. imo he cannot understand at that time, how that door was opened when he is positive he locked it.. even if he was pretty sure he locked it. he could have just assumed that someone else had broken in. how would they break in..

playmateII

03-16-2009, 11:34 PM

teresa

03-16-2009, 11:35 PM

Mamie may not be, but I am. They cleared an SO that is still missing, among other things. MOO

And the initial report had several errors. I think in the first few days, there was a lot of misunderstanding going on. I hope it doesn't cause this case to go unsolved.

I'm losing my mind over this little girl. I cannot even imagine being in the shoes of either family. It's pure terror. I just pray they find out something soon one way or the other.

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:35 PM

Not yet but in one of the articles today it was said it will be up soon.

Thanks I was going to say someone posted it on crystals myspace bulletin that a website was in the works and would be open soon but that was before the weekend and had not seen anything yet.

AmndaRcknwth

03-16-2009, 11:36 PM

From NG Show.

NG: Had their been visitors prior to that (talking about the day and who was all seen in the home).

Reporter: She had a cousin visiting from out of town earlier and so he was in the home at some point but we're still trying to figure out how that is all pieced together Nancy.
NG: To Teresa Neves Haleighs grandmother Ms. Neves are you aware of anyone else in that home, that evening, I don't mean when they all go to bed, I mean earlier that evening.

TN: I am, there was a repairman there, um (RC in background "AC") was actually over....

NG: I'm I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you, there was a repairman there, the cousin was there (TN, "Yes Ma'am") who police have investigated, who else?

TN: My mother came by that night

RC: Cou, Cousin wasn't there.

NG: For what reason?

TN: She brought some clean clothes over, she had some of the kids clothes at her house and she had washed them and brought them over. That was sometime between 7 and 8 pm that night.

Why did the reporter say they were still trying to piece it altogether? Was Misty's cousin even there that day?

moo

Uh oh.

I thought ggma came over the previous night.

Sorry.

So, lots of people saw Haleigh before she went to bed. Misty needs to tell what she did that night.

nanieliz

03-16-2009, 11:37 PM

I'm going to just jump right in here without reading this evening.

I watched "Miss Nancy" and I could have PUKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I always watch Nancy Grace and my opinion is about like most of U. Sometimes she's great,sometimes she isn't! Tonight...gag me,She was so so nice to Ron and poor litttle Misty and frying Crystal!
Tomorrow I'm shooting off a Email telling her just what I think.
She needs to get back to doing her home work and not using just what they put in front of her. She has gone too darn soft since the babies came!
Marc Klass was right on and he knows what the cops are looking at here. SOMEONE knew how to get in,where she was,where the light switches were,about the doors needing proped. Those light stitches were in ODD places!!!

I hope the cops grill the h*ll outa misty!!! Ron hasn't got the answers out of her either! Now I find that odd.

Haleigh baby America wants you home!

Nanieliz ---all of this JMO

playmateII

03-16-2009, 11:38 PM

Oh yes they did! They very much did have that power!

short of arresting them how so. She had her mother sign . How pray tell could LE or CPS stop a wedding. They do NOT have legal authority to do so.
post a link to this law please.

JMO

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:41 PM

Also from the NG show tonight:

NG: You know the other night I had on your, uh the childrens biological mother on, excuse me I had her lawyer on and she suggested you have a history of dating teenagers, true/false?

RC: I have dated teenagers in my time, yes true.

NG: And your age is 25?

RC: True

Ronald does admit to teenage girlfriends, plural. He doesn't elaborate, which is strange, imo

jmo

I think it would be alot stranger if he did elaborate. You may not like Ron or his lifestyle, but do you really think he is guilty of doing something to his daughter? Serious question. IMO

nanieliz

03-16-2009, 11:41 PM

Oh and some info for u none believers....Miss Nancy WAS OUT OF THE ATLANTA studio!

The Devil Went Down to Atlanta and what did he find? Us Souther Bells don't take no crap!!!

NanieLiz

AmndaRcknwth

03-16-2009, 11:43 PM

I think it would be alot stranger if he did elaborate. You may not like Ron or his lifestyle, but do you really think he is guilty of doing something to his daughter? Serious question. IMO

Not so much.

Crystal either.

But someone Misty was entertaining, yes, maybe so.

5boxersmom

03-16-2009, 11:43 PM

I have been thinking about this.

If it is true that Misty would go out and party. Could she have been the one that took Ron's gun to pawn for money for drugs and/or alcohol? Then blamed Cousin Joe? Then threw it in the ditch after the fight Ron and Joe had because she knew Ron would kill her if he found out she took it?

imo

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:44 PM

Yes, aproundmom, I'm very serious.

I don't want to see a post "considering her delicate condition" if that's pure unsubstantiated speculation.

I want to read for facts.

This board moves EXTREMELY fast with people chat chat chat chat chat chat chatting about what they imagine, and I'm kind of thinking it's gone in the wrong direction.

I wonder -could we have a thread for people to just create wild unfounded ideas and chit chat, and ugly stabs at one another, and the rest of the Haleigh threads for factual information? I'm getting really tired of the way this thread is turning out, it's boring, and misleading, and snippy.

OK understand and agree it is very hard to keep up that is why I have to ask for updates cause I dont have time to read for hours I understand just saying I dont think it will change we have so little to to go on but I respect your opinion as I do everyones even if I dont agree.

teresa

03-16-2009, 11:46 PM

No they did not. I believe they said they had accounted for all of them. The one who is currently missing is believed or suspected to have killed himself and was missing before Haleigh went missing. Also he is not from that town.

I apologize for always being so far behind...but he is from Putnam Co. He graduated high school there and committed his crime there. He is not suspected of committing suicide by his family. They think he met with foul play. No one knows where he is.

AmndaRcknwth

03-16-2009, 11:46 PM

Since when did this Sykes visit change? Theresa said 3 hours ago that Granny Sykes was there that very night. I feel like I'm on a merry go round with this convoluted case.

moo

It's my fault for that. What I understood from reading was that AS was there the night before HC went missing. (which would have been the 8th) but Teresa says she was there that night (9th).

I'm giving up on trying to make heads or tails of a spinning out of control story.

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:47 PM

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:49 PM

Rushbo

03-16-2009, 11:50 PM

OMG no way so if no one seen her other than granny she said her brother was there is that true or not? wow if that is true then the brother would have been the last to see her and did she not say he left at 6 or so.

There was no mention at all tonight that Misty's brother was at the home the day Haleigh disappeared.

Guess that was just another of Misty's little inconsistencies.

AmndaRcknwth

03-16-2009, 11:51 PM

Sadly I do. I'm sorry to be brutally honest with you, but after seeing so many parents kill their kids, I don't put it past anyone. I say this with a heavy heart, but it's the truth imo. That doesn't mean I think Ronald killed Haleigh, it just means I don't doubt the possibility.

jmo

I get that. The reason I was SO interested in who saw Haleigh after Ron went to work was just this reason.

If people saw Haleigh, and if LE is confident that Ron was at work the whole time, then the focus has to go to Misty.

I still think he married her to cover his azz for charges. It sure looks like there is very little love involved, and obviously he doesn't care much about marrying babymamas.

playmateII

03-16-2009, 11:53 PM

LE & CPS has the authority. LE could have arrested Ron, CPS could have taken emergency custody of Misty.

CPS is not in the habit of taking 17 year old girls into custody especially when her own parents could care less she was living with him. What are they going to arrest Ron for? They are not done with their investigation and they certainly are not wasting time right now on his dating habits. Haleigh is what they are concentrating on. I am still waiting for the link to that law that they could stop the wedding.
And if what Geraldo has suggested is true Informants have a license to break any law they want. JMO IMO

5boxersmom

03-16-2009, 11:53 PM

I looked all over the Florida records online today trying to find something that would verify that Chad V Griffis (Crystal's fiance') has a marriage license record in the state of Florida. I could not find anything.

So now I am compelled to ask where you found out that information. Got link? TIA

On a Domestic Violence charge against Chad G. the link was posted here by Riverwalk a week or so ago. It was filed against him by a Helen Griffis. I will see what I can find.

Are you wanting to know if he was/is married or never married?

imo

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:54 PM

Maybe so, but my understanding is that he was not living there at the time he disappeared.

Didn't someone post the FBI page for him? Was it today? I would love to look at it again. Anyone? When exactly was it reported that he was missing? Not when was the last time someone saw him, but when the family actually reported it. Couey's sister (I think it was his sister) made me realize that family members will lie in these situations. I want to believe that is not the case, since the outcome for Haleigh is devestating if they are. MOO

Mamie

03-16-2009, 11:54 PM

I can't be sure but I think that all came from early when Misty said "right beside me"...Not in the bed but right beside her meaning that she was asleep in that room. If this is one of the inconsistencies, I can see why Misty and LE is confused. Maybe they think she did say it two different ways, one being right beside me then later she said on the mattress...Misty probably doesn't even know what is going on.

I agree with you, Pia.

aproudmom

03-16-2009, 11:57 PM

LE & CPS has the authority. LE could have arrested Ron, CPS could have taken emergency custody of Misty.

Yes you are right it has been stated on alot of media reports and tv even by lawyers that he could be arrested or could have the one thing that I think has stopped it is because he is a father of a missing child and at this time it is not important to them but the law is the law she is 17 and he is 25 that is against the law in Flordia if her parents wanted to they could have pressed charges if they could prove they were having a sexual relationship. I will say I am not sure now since they are married but before I do know they said he could have been charged.

I think that had alot to do with her being called the live in babysitter when this all happened IMO

4Kids

03-16-2009, 11:57 PM

Mimi

After you posted the links I searched too, in fact in several counties. I didn't find a thing.

moo

Did he always live in Florida? MOO

teresa

03-17-2009, 12:00 AM

Yes, I definitely heard the same inconsistency with Ron and TN's statements ... re: the cousin being there that night.
Nancy Grace asked if the cousin was there that night - TN said YES.
Then, just 10 seconds later Ron is heard saying "NO he was not there that night."

I was yelling at my TV ... c'mon Nancy -- ask a meaningful follow-up question during an interview, and maybe begin to clear up some of the many inconsistencies in this saga.
Sheesh !!!!! Was the cousin there that night - or not ?
Can ANYONE in this family tell the same story ?

It's not that difficult .... the truth is the truth.
The truth does not change.

They were answering two different questions. Teresa started answering the first one before Nancy butted in and Ron clarified the cousin was not there. IMO

I think the cousin was there at some point during his two week stay but I can't find any link as to when that was. I thought that I read he came with Misty's brother but I don't know which day.

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 12:01 AM

On a Domestic Violence charge against Chad G. the link was posted here by Riverwalk a week or so ago. It was filed against him by a Helen Griffis. I will see what I can find.

Are you wanting to know if he was/is married or never married?

imo

I have seen repeated posts stating that Chad V Griffis (fiance' of Crystal) is a married man. I can find nothing in the Florida county online records search engine to verify that he has ever filed for so much as a marriage license in any county in Florida.

I did see two listings for cases between Chad V Griffis & Helen Griffis, but neither were for marriage license stuff.

So I'm trying to figure out where the "Chad is a married man" stuff is coming from.

TIA! :seeya:

Motomom

03-17-2009, 12:02 AM

Yes, an new improved expanded time line according to mother Teresa. Have never heard before tonight on NG show that GGM Annette Sykes stayed an entire hour. Before it was to drop off some clothes, say howdy, hug and kiss the kids. Haleigh and Junior were eating dinner at 7 PM in the front screened porch.

Well I say, if Misty is to believed then GGM Sykes was there to see Misty put to bed. JMO

P.S. Now that mother Teresa says Sykes was there from 7 to 8 PM, maybe Sykes can tell LE what the kids were wearing when they were put to bed and exactly which room and bed they were put in.

i did not take her comment to mean she stayed an hour. Just that she stopped there between 7 and 8. i don't think it is unrealistic for people not to take notice to the exact time. Some people don't follow the clocks all day.

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 12:04 AM

Did he always live in Florida? MOO

I sure don't know. His father has records for marriage license (2003) & for divorce (2001 or 2002) in Florida, so my pure guess is that Chad has been living in Florida too. But I can't swear to it, I really do not know where he has been living.

JMO

Motomom

03-17-2009, 12:19 AM

I agree why doesn't he answer that the detectives are wrong or made a mistake? But I would like to counter with... Why hasn't he asked Misty that himself and have an answer that satisfies him? Why hasnt he asked LE for the details of what she has told them? Why is he completely clueless about all of it but assured she is innocent. But not 100% innocent. Assuming that 1% or more is unsure why hasn't he satisfied that yet?

i don't know. i would be questioning her till i was satisfied if i was Ron. i cannot give any insight into his actions with her at all. it doesn't make sense to me, unless he just 'knows' in his heart, mind and soul?? i'd like to think that had something God awful like this happened with my own husband, i would know in my heart that he would never hurt his children..but they are his too and my life is much much different then what we see here.

FoxySly

03-17-2009, 12:19 AM

exactly how am i trashing her ?

i can't wait to hear this :sneaky:

Sadly there are some that mistake TRUTH for TRASHing.
It is what it is.

I have not seen one post of yours that was an untruth :thumbup:

Sly

~

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 12:19 AM

Mimi

After you posted the links I searched too, in fact in several counties. I didn't find a thing.

moo

I searched for him 9 ways 'til Sunday & could not find anything regarding marriage.

His father has records of various & sundry things going all the way back to 1990. Mortgage, deed, this & that. Divorced in Aug 2001 from Rose L Griffis. Married in Dec 2003 to Nancy & all this stuff was in Baker County.

But nothing on Chad V. Griffis.

Ice Cycle

03-17-2009, 12:20 AM

I would think with the abduction of your great grand daughter you would be as precise as you could be with the minuest details. Misty said she put haleigh to bed at 8. Did GGM tuck her in, say goodnite, notice her pj's?

moo

What I have not heard is why was she there to drop off clothes. As obviously the washer and dryer was working since Misty made a point to said she washed the blanket.

5boxersmom

03-17-2009, 12:22 AM

I searched for him 9 ways 'til Sunday & could not find anything regarding marriage.

His father has records of various & sundry things going all the way back to 1990. Mortgage, deed, this & that. Divorced in Aug 2001 from Rose L Griffis. Married in Dec 2003 to Nancy & all this stuff was in Baker County.

But nothing on Chad V. Griffis.

I keep getting a white page when I try to access the baker county records. Seems like there was some kind of judgement on a divorce decree. I can't find RW's posts either. Seems some are gone. :w00t:

Let me look some more.

imo

Motomom

03-17-2009, 12:26 AM

LE & CPS has the authority. LE could have arrested Ron, CPS could have taken emergency custody of Misty.

What a waste of dollars that would have been imo.

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 12:30 AM

it doesn't make sense to me, unless he just 'knows' in his heart, mind and soul?? i'd like to think that had something God awful like this happened with my own husband, i would know in my heart that he would never hurt his children..but they are his too and my life is much much different then what we see here.

<snipped>

Just 'knows' in his heart, mind & soul?

Sorry, no way can I buy that. Not after we heard him hollarin at Misty, calling her a b#tch, telling the police & the 911 operator how he was going to kill someone, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Your spouse, my spouse, other parent of your kids, other parent of my kids - when it comes to your little CHILD has gone missing on their watch, I think the mindset is similar to the title of the Jean Shepherd book - In GOD We Trust; All Others Pay Cash

I'd still be trusting in God, but I would d@mn sure be making my spouse, the father of my child, whoever the h#ll it was start coughing up a coherent story w/o inconsistencies (the "cash", so to speak).

JMO

teresa

03-17-2009, 12:33 AM

Yes, an new improved expanded time line according to mother Teresa. Have never heard before tonight on NG show that GGM Annette Sykes stayed an entire hour. Before it was to drop off some clothes, say howdy, hug and kiss the kids. Haleigh and Junior were eating dinner at 7 PM in the front screened porch.

Well I say, if Misty is to believed then GGM Sykes was there to see Misty put to bed. JMO

P.S. Now that mother Teresa says Sykes was there from 7 to 8 PM, maybe Sykes can tell LE what the kids were wearing when they were put to bed and exactly which room and bed they were put in.

She said sometime between 7-8. I doubt at the time they all thought they should check their watches because Haleigh would be gone in the next 6 hours or less.

Money Girl

03-17-2009, 12:36 AM

What I have not heard is why was she there to drop off clothes. As obviously the washer and dryer was working since Misty made a point to said she washed the blanket.

Have previously read on this board that Misty was not with Ron the previous weekend while Crystal had the children. Maybe GGM Sykes had done the laundry at that time was was just bringing it home.

Money Girl

03-17-2009, 12:38 AM

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 12:39 AM

i think he's innocent because he was at work and he's done everything he can to help the LE.

how in the world would have he had time to get home and commit a crime hide all the evidence before the police got there?

Here's a theory - it is only a theory, but I think it is something to consider since we know that Ron has been arrested on drug charges in the past...what if Ron had brought drugs in the house & Haleigh ingested some - do you think he would tell LE about it? Would he be 'innocent', in a situation such as that?

I'm not saying it did happen, don't get me wrong. But considering that the door was not pried open & Ron swears (even tonight) that it was locked, I think that is one possibility to take into consideration.

JMO

Motomom

03-17-2009, 12:39 AM

I would think with the abduction of your great grand daughter you would be as precise as you could be with the minuest details. Misty said she put haleigh to bed at 8. Did GGM tuck her in, say goodnite, notice her pj's?

moo

But if you didn't know that she was going to end up missing.... it may take some time to figure out exactly where you were at what time. Without looking at clocks or watching tv.. it may be more difficult. it is not unrealistic, like i said.. jmo

Money Girl

03-17-2009, 12:44 AM

New York Was Not A Honeymoon

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/03/haleigh-cummings-her-dad-says-he-didnt-take-nyc-honeymoon-and-begs-bring-my-daughter-home.html

I bet it wasn't a honeymoon with his mother along!

Money Girl

03-17-2009, 12:46 AM

If Misty and Ron are lying, will they have to reimburse LE for the time spent on the case?

Money Girl

03-17-2009, 12:49 AM

Where did you see that?

I don't remember. We've been discussing it on here all weekend.

Motomom

03-17-2009, 12:49 AM

What I have not heard is why was she there to drop off clothes. As obviously the washer and dryer was working since Misty made a point to said she washed the blanket.

it was on nancy grace. apparently she had some of the kids clothes at her house and had washed them so she dropped them off.

4Kids

03-17-2009, 12:51 AM

I assume he did.

Now that I have your attention, do you mind if I ask you why you think Ron is so innocent in this? What about him brings you to this decision? Is it the videos and photos you see that draws you to that conclusion, or something else?

I had that opinion of him very early in the case. He seemed to be clearly angry, grieving and lost, which I think is the normal reaction from any parent in this situation. He does not express himself well and has convinced himself that the tough guy image works for him, when it is really rather pathetic. But he is no thug. I have seen tough and thugs where I came from, and he is not it. Wanna be, perhaps. But I see no guilt. He was at work. I just think the facts (the few we know) for the most part support his innocence. He truly reminds me of Mark Lunsford...with alot more warts and way more growing up to do.

The pictures and videos have no bearing on that opinion. I saw the Caylee videos, I saw pictures of Nizxmary Brown smiling and happy, and I know that pics and videos show the good times

BTW. I feel the same way about Crystal. No guilt there. Just a mom distraught over their missing child.

I am torn on Misty.

MOO

Motomom

03-17-2009, 12:52 AM

Misty has been through 30 hours of interviews, 30. I'm thinking there are more inconsistencies to Misty's stories other than what we have heard up till now. 30 hours of interviewing is huge, in my opinion.

yep.. or she's telling the truth and has nothing more to tell them..that's a possibility too.

4Kids

03-17-2009, 12:55 AM

Here's a theory - it is only a theory, but I think it is something to consider since we know that Ron has been arrested on drug charges in the past...what if Ron had brought drugs in the house & Haleigh ingested some - do you think he would tell LE about it? Would he be 'innocent', in a situation such as that?

I'm not saying it did happen, don't get me wrong. But considering that the door was not pried open & Ron swears (even tonight) that it was locked, I think that is one possibility to take into consideration.

JMO

Mimi...I know you weren't asking me, but...if that did happen, this man would be guilty of negligence at least and possibly manslaughter? I 'd say...throw the book at them. It is one thing for a child to wander off...negligence, perhaps in somes cases, but to put your child in harm's way? You are guilty of way more in my book. I continue to think this child wandered off while unsupervised or an SO took her. An SO close to the family. MOO

teresa

03-17-2009, 12:57 AM

Did he always live in Florida? MOO

From searching on the internet, it looks like Glen Saint Mary straddles Florida and Georgia. I read an article linked here today that said they live in Georgia just across the state line. Just other thing for us to be confused about :confused: I'm pretty sure his order of protection was in Florida so I think the media is making as many errors as Misty is. No wonder LE is confused.

Motomom

03-17-2009, 12:57 AM

Are you serious? I do not agree. It would never be a waste of time for someone to make decisions that are actually in Misty's best interest for a change. We know she hasn't been living with her parents the past few years, we know she hasnt been in school, we know she was being molested by a cousin, what is even scarier is what we dont already know! Now she is marrying a 25 year old man. Seriously, the best thing that could have happened to this girl would be someone showing her a better life. Ron may be a step up from what she is use to but that is not saying much! This girl needs a future assuming she is not headed for prison already.

Dead serious. A waste of dollars.. huge waste. This girl may be 17, however in less than a yr, she is considered an adult and free to do as she pleases. she has been doing as she pleases and my bet is it was her choice to live with ron and her choice to marry Ron. She's a big girl imo. Time to stop butting in where we dont' need butting in imo. This is one of those times imo. Each case is different, however we need to stop attempting to label all of our men and realize that that the girls in some of these relationships are willing participants. LE has bigger fish to fry imo

Money Girl

03-17-2009, 12:58 AM

yep.. or she's telling the truth and has nothing more to tell them..that's a possibility too.

I think we all want the same thing - and that is for Haleigh to be found and returned safely.

LE would NEVER have come out with the statements about Misty's inconsistencies if there was not a big problem. They have been extremely tight-lipped and for them to break their silence about Misty shows their desperation in wanting to find Haleigh.

4Kids

03-17-2009, 01:00 AM

From searching on the internet, it looks like Glen Saint Mary straddles Florida and Georgia. I read an article linked here today that said they live in Georgia just across the state line. Just other thing for us to be confused about :confused: I'm pretty sure his order of protection was in Florida so I think the media is making as many errors as Misty is. No wonder LE is confused.

OK Swaro and Mimi....perhaps there would be a doc from Georgia. I personally could care less if the guy is still married. As long as he cooperated and took a LDT and gave DNA like the rest of the involved parties...his marriage status at this point is not really relevant? MOO

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 01:01 AM

Here is the transcript the NG's show on 3/16/09, entitled Cummings Girlfriend Not Ruled Out as Suspect in Haleigh Disappearance

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

It includes the quote from Misty which may well live forever in infamy (IMO) -

MISTY CUMMINGS, STEPMOTHER: I was home because I did pass my lie detector test saying that I was home.

Another excerpt...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Misty at first said Haleigh was in bed with her, then changed that to say Haleigh was in her own bed.

And here is the quote from Marc Klaas -

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, first of all, Ron, my heart goes out to you, buddy. I know where you`re coming from and I know how you`re feeling right now.

But there`s a reality here that has to be dealt with, Nancy. Law enforcement runs parallel investigations in these cases. They`re investigating the family. They`re investigating friends, acquaintances, registered sex offenders. And then finally, they`re investigating the stranger scenario. And until they can eliminate the various players in that -- in those scenarios, they`re unable to then put the full force of their investigation towards what actually happened.

So it`s incumbent upon Misty -- and I think Ron has to impress this upon her -- to do whatever is necessary to eliminate her from suspicion, so law enforcement then can move forward. Otherwise this thing may never be solved, and certainly, that is not -- that`s not an acceptable conclusion to this case.

Money Girl

03-17-2009, 01:01 AM

Dead serious. A waste of dollars.. huge waste. This girl may be 17, however in less than a yr, she is considered an adult and free to do as she pleases. she has been doing as she pleases and my bet is it was her choice to live with ron and her choice to marry Ron. She's a big girl imo. Time to stop butting in where we dont' need butting in imo. This is one of those times imo. Each case is different, however we need to stop attempting to label all of our men and realize that that the girls in some of these relationships are willing participants. LE has bigger fish to fry imo

I do not necessarily believe that Misty was kicked out of her home at 14. She and her mom seem very close to me.

Motomom

03-17-2009, 01:01 AM

Crystal's Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/people/Crystal-Sheffield/1152193574

good find. looks like they are all private..but i screw up a lot on facebook lol

4Kids

03-17-2009, 01:03 AM

I knew the things he said on NG tonight were going to seal his fate. (Of course I do not really believe in fate but you know what I mean.)

I have yet to see anything to back up these stories with the exception of the old allegations from the custody hearing. If they are true and Ron was beating the snot out of these kids lock them up. And if Crystal knew and did nothing...charge her with something as well. That's assuming there is any factual basis at all. MOO

Motomom

03-17-2009, 01:05 AM

30 hours worth? If she's telling the truth, then how would there be any inconsistencies? That doesn't make sense Moto?

moo

i wasn't referring to her insoncistencies. first i'd like to know exactly what they were and if they are the same ones over and over or new ones all the time. i was referrign to the 30 hours. Would you rather she confess to a crime she did not commit / if this (sorry my shift key is sticking grr0..

teresa

03-17-2009, 01:06 AM

Here's a theory - it is only a theory, but I think it is something to consider since we know that Ron has been arrested on drug charges in the past...what if Ron had brought drugs in the house & Haleigh ingested some - do you think he would tell LE about it? Would he be 'innocent', in a situation such as that?

I'm not saying it did happen, don't get me wrong. But considering that the door was not pried open & Ron swears (even tonight) that it was locked, I think that is one possibility to take into consideration.

JMO

Mimi, did you see the youtube Odessy posted showing how to "bump lock". It is terrifying. Not only could someone get in that trailer, they could come right in my house or your house. I had no idea that could be done. I ran upstairs to tell my husband to add a slide lock to our doors!

Motomom

03-17-2009, 01:08 AM

I do not necessarily believe that Misty was kicked out of her home at 14. She and her mom seem very close to me.

i dont know when she was kicked out..never mentioned it in my post. i thought i recalled that she had been lving with her brother but who knows.. think much of it is hearsay or rumor or what have you. they do seem close but looks can be deceiving. i was curious about something that may be irrelevant but just the same. Are misty's mother and father still together/

Money Girl

03-17-2009, 01:15 AM

i dont know when she was kicked out..never mentioned it in my post. i thought i recalled that she had been lving with her brother but who knows.. think much of it is hearsay or rumor or what have you. they do seem close but looks can be deceiving. i was curious about something that may be irrelevant but just the same. Are misty's mother and father still together/

For some reason, I think Misty's parents are still together. Maybe I just got that impression from media going to their home.

Are Teresa and her latest husband still together?

5boxersmom

03-17-2009, 01:17 AM

Bumping the video of Misty speaking, along with Ronald and Cobra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

Thanks for that. Looks like the PI is sharing stuff with Ron also.

imo

Mimi I give up looking for info on Chad. I can't get into the records at Baker county website. Can anyone else get it? Is it just me?

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 01:19 AM

Back to Marc Klaas' comments on NG -

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

GRACE: Not you. I`m asking you your thoughts on whether it`s conceivable that her inconsistencies were actually innocent.

KLAAS: Anything is possible. But I would -- I would caution everybody to understand that law enforcement has a massive task force working this case.

And probably some of the best minds in the country on child abduction are involved and I don`t think that there -- it is anything I -- I don`t think that it`s any mistake that after Misty.

GRACE: Yes.

KLAAS: . for the last four, five weeks have said that she`s passed her test and she`s not under suspicion that she all of a sudden admits that there are inconsistencies and that law enforcement confirms that. I think that there are real reasons for having done that.

Bolding done by me simply because I think it is a valid counterpoint to all the posts inferring that LE isn't working on this case, hasn't thought of checking out this or that, etc.

JMO

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 01:23 AM

Mimi, did you see the youtube Odessy posted showing how to "bump lock". It is terrifying. Not only could someone get in that trailer, they could come right in my house or your house. I had no idea that could be done. I ran upstairs to tell my husband to add a slide lock to our doors!

Yes, I have seen/heard/read several things about lock bumping. One of the most interesting ones I read stressed that it is not nearly as easy for someone to do as the videos would have you believe.

But I'm certainly agreeing that a slide bolt across the face of the door into the frame is a good idea.

JMO

Motomom

03-17-2009, 01:24 AM

Early in the case she gave an interview where she told a lot of personal information about herself. One of those was that she was NOT living in the same city with her mother and for more than a little while. It is NOT rumor.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/ARTICLES/902130293/0/news02

Did you read the post i was quoteing/

no where in that article does it say she was kicked out.. show me where in the article is says that.

Also my post Originally Posted by Motomom
i dont know when she was kicked out..never mentioned it in my post. i thought i recalled that she had been lving with her brother but who knows.. think much of it is hearsay or rumor or what have you. they do seem close but looks can be deceiving. i was curious about something that may be irrelevant but just the same. Are misty's mother and father still together/

Theres no argument from me.. i dont' know if she was kicked out.. doesn't say.. don't know much from that article either. Who was she living with in the other states/ just her brother, whom i mentioned.

Motomom

03-17-2009, 01:26 AM

Mothers have been known to feign love & concern in front of others and none of it be genuine.

Why yes they have... Good point

teresa

03-17-2009, 01:26 AM

Birth announcement say they live in Sanderson. Where is that??
___________
Crystal D. (Sheffield) and Chad V. Griffis of Sanderson are pleased to announce the birth of daughter Chloe Elisabeth on April 15, 2008 at Shands of Jacksonville. She weighed 6 lbs., 6 oz. and was 18½ inches long.

Chloe joins brothers Chase and Ronald Jr. and sisters HaLeigh and Morgan. Proud grandparents are Bruce and Marie Griffis of Sanderson and Marty and Connie Sheffield of Georgetown, Fla.
____________

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 01:31 AM

Thanks for that. Looks like the PI is sharing stuff with Ron also.

imo

Mimi I give up looking for info on Chad. I can't get into the records at Baker county website. Can anyone else get it? Is it just me?

The Baker county website is the pits (compared to Putnam, for example). I did the statewide search & did not narrow it down to any county.

Anybody know which county in Georgia might be the right one to look at? TIA

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 01:34 AM

Birth announcement say they live in Sanderson. Where is that??

http://bakercountypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1375&Itemid=79

Thanks for finding that link! Much appreciated.

Sanderson is an unincorporated community in Baker County, according to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanderson,_Florida

Motomom

03-17-2009, 01:41 AM

On another note, she named her mother and stepfather & then her father and stepmother. But not his mother.

you know what Brat, i could not figure out what was off with that announcement. That is it. thanks for posting that .. you know when something just does not look right lol.. Well wonder where his mother is, unless his mother got with her father..stranger things have happened lol.

Money Girl

03-17-2009, 01:42 AM

Bumping the video of Misty speaking, along with Ronald and Cobra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

I didn't know the kids were watching videos in different rooms. First I have heard of this.

teresa

03-17-2009, 01:45 AM

On another note, she named her mother and stepfather & then her father and stepmother. But not his mother.

I wonder if she is deceased? I'm kind of wondering if his divorce wasn't finalized last November when the order of protection was ended. Maybe that's when they decided to plan the wedding?

It's weird that we can find all this info on the others but not Chad. Maybe there are no divorce records because their wasn't a marriage to begin with. The womans name is Helen Griffis, though, so who knows?

Motomom

03-17-2009, 01:49 AM

I thought about that too. That would be just too much though. If it is true I do not think I want to know anything more about any of these people.

lol i'm with you there.. now someone has to find out what his mothers name is. maybe she is just out of his life// i can't find anything like what people.. i have no idea how they find all of these websites. i can't find local court records here.

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 02:01 AM

Charlton County Georgia is just north of Sanderson Florida. Unfortunately, Georgia does not seem to have the online court records that some other states do. But I will keep looking & see what I can find.

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 02:04 AM

Yes but supposedly they met because of Crystal & Chad's relationship and not the other way around.

I have no idea who met whom first. But I do know that Bruce & Marie were married in December 2003. That record is in Baker County Florida.

MoonFlwr

03-17-2009, 02:06 AM

Bumping the video of Misty speaking, along with Ronald and Cobra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

Thank you for posting that! :) Much appreciated.

Babes

03-17-2009, 02:09 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_uWaPV_GzM

Passed by on this youtube news video wherein they talked about Joe and a sighting of Haleigh at a restaurant in TN

Mimi428

03-17-2009, 02:18 AM

the website i found said ... Griffis, Nancy (Marie)—Crystal Sheffield’s mother, Haleigh’s maternal grandmother, age 43, Glen St Mary, Baker County, married Bruce 2002

The database I searched was the MyFloridaCounty.com - here...

https://www.myfloridacounty.com/serv/MyFloridaCounty/ORI/Order?thisPage=MyFloridaCounty.ORI.Order.state.Sta rt

GRIFFIS BRUCE ARRON SHEFFIELD NANCY MARIE 12/16/2003 MARRIAGE RECORD BAKER

teresa

03-17-2009, 02:32 AM

SwineFeld

03-17-2009, 02:48 AM

IMO this was probably the best interview she's given. No "I don't knows" and all of that crap she usually spews.

Misty Cummings speaks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo

TannersMom

03-17-2009, 03:47 AM

In the very first interview Crystal gave she looked like she had two black eyes and a busted nose. Im very new to this board and am still learning about posting so sorry if it has already been mentioned. I have wondered since that night I saw it and have never knew how to get an answer. It was the first thing I noticed when I saw her in that first interview and I said out loud to my husband, "She got hit hard by somebody! Look at those racoon eyes." I waited and listened for somebody to comment on it on the news. I emailed Nancy Grace to no avail. The next interview you could see she had taken time to put makeup on but you could still see it. Was it ever mentioned? Did I just miss it?

MoonFlwr

03-17-2009, 03:53 AM

Themis

03-17-2009, 04:50 AM

Hi Tree, you're welcome. Hey, how off was it when Misty spewed out that the kids loved her more than Crystal and called her step-mom? That was awful, given how Crystal could have unleashed loads on Misty weeks ago. This is going to get so ugly that I am afraid to watch. I'm going to be peeking out of one eye I think.

I've never seen Misty with such confidence, what happened and who did she talk to? From the sounds of it, it wasn't le. I was hoping le would meet her at the airport and take her in for questioning, yet there she is, cheeky as can be. And of course *drum roll please* Mother Teresa is never far behind.....it's probably me, but did anyone else notice when Ron was being interviewed by NG, as soon as Nancy asked him what plea he'd like to make, Teresa's face turns from stone sober to what almost seems like a "cue to tears" segment. She immediately starts crying again and I can't help but thinking why the timing is almost perfect every........single........time.

moo
Misty's new confidence? I think it's the product of hours spent with a coach, someone from her newly acquired family. JMO

sleuth

03-17-2009, 04:59 AM

No way! That's pure baloney, IMO. :thumbdown: How can anyone know someone is a victim when that person doesn't know they're a victim? That makes zero sense, as well as a few other things in your post. IMO :scared:

BTW, please provide a link to the law you've cited: "According to the law it is irrelevant."
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. IMO
I agree with Brattlings post. A child may not know they are being abused...such as in the case she sites, a 36 yr old teacher having sex with a 12 yr old boy may not seem like abuse to the boy at the time, but it is, AND it is against the law. Most states have laws that require specific professions to report the abuse...and that includes the LE. It is not "pure baloney" look it up...state of Washington a few years ago.
IMHO Misty may one day look back and realize that a 25 yr old man having a relationship with a 16 yr old girl was abuse. It may seem like glamor and exciting trip to NY and being Mrs. but IMO only time will tell, and no one has been protecting her. When asked if he dated teenage girls Ron stated "yes, in my time"
IMO Misty is not his first victim, remember Amber and Ron's baby, Jordan. How old is Amber? Does anyone know? And does Ron pay child support for Jordan?

Cinsd

03-17-2009, 05:09 AM

The database I searched was the MyFloridaCounty.com - here...

https://www.myfloridacounty.com/serv/MyFloridaCounty/ORI/Order?thisPage=MyFloridaCounty.ORI.Order.state.Sta rt

GRIFFIS BRUCE ARRON SHEFFIELD NANCY MARIE 12/16/2003 MARRIAGE RECORD BAKER

Using the same database I found and I hope this works :smile:

From To Date Document Type County
GRIFFIS HELLEN R GRIFFIS CHAD V 12/05/2008 ORDER BAKER
Instrument Number Book/Page Pages
200800007948 0/0 1
Description: Case# 06000362DR

From To Date Document Type County
GRIFFIS CHAD V GRIFFIS HELEN R 12/22/2006 FINAL JUDGMENT BAKER
Instrument Number Book/Page Pages
200600010458 0/0 2
Description: Case# 06000231DR

beachpatty

03-17-2009, 05:27 AM

new thread here.........

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12900644#post12900644

crimebuster

03-17-2009, 05:29 AM

Tonight on ng the experts were going to bat for Misty and her being so young and immature/inexperienced in life. I wasn't sure I was watching the right show....is this the same Misty who was old enough and mature enough to take care of two small children? The same Misty who got married? Or the same Misty who had balls the size of China to walk out of the le interview? I was astonished to hear them speak so poorly of le, as if to suggest le is very much wasting their time on Misty. This show was not what I expected at all and I'll say it again, where was Misty during this interview? Too scared she'd blow it again and didn't want to draw any further "inconsistencies" to her story?

moo

I totally agree with you! NG sure was soft on them I thought! And Mark Klass seemed to want to say more IMO! Why wasn't NG using her interrogation tools better? And Ron acted SO... poorly,and odd rolling his eyes and making disgusted face in odd ways. I don't know but there is something strange about this couple. I guess he was at work but that Misty...strange! Whole thing is so odd and weird! NG was way too easy I think. I was stunned!

sleuth

03-17-2009, 05:40 AM

I do not necessarily believe that Misty was kicked out of her home at 14. She and her mom seem very close to me.
Maybe it was not her mother who kicked her out!! Maybe it was her father.

Texas48

03-17-2009, 05:58 AM

Hi Tree, you're welcome. Hey, how off was it when Misty spewed out that the kids loved her more than Crystal and called her step-mom? That was awful, given how Crystal could have unleashed loads on Misty weeks ago. This is going to get so ugly that I am afraid to watch. I'm going to be peeking out of one eye I think.

I've never seen Misty with such confidence, what happened and who did she talk to? From the sounds of it, it wasn't le. I was hoping le would meet her at the airport and take her in for questioning, yet there she is, cheeky as can be. And of course *drum roll please* Mother Teresa is never far behind.....it's probably me, but did anyone else notice when Ron was being interviewed by NG, as soon as Nancy asked him what plea he'd like to make, Teresa's face turns from stone sober to what almost seems like a "cue to tears" segment. She immediately starts crying again and I can't help but thinking why the timing is almost perfect every........single........time.

mooGood morning Viking..Seems like I'm getting up in the am and your always still on the boards. lol..You say you will be watching w/one eye open..not to worry..I'll watch with both eyes cause you know I don't want to miss anything.lol...I gad such a strong feeling TN would show up w/Ron on NG last night. NG appears to have a new best friend in TN. jmo:tonguewag:

sleuth

03-17-2009, 06:06 AM

sleuth

03-17-2009, 06:27 AM

Good morning Viking..Seems like I'm getting up in the am and your always still on the boards. lol..You say you will be watching w/one eye open..not to worry..I'll watch with both eyes cause you know I don't want to miss anything.lol...I gad such a strong feeling TN would show up w/Ron on NG last night. NG appears to have a new best friend in TN. jmo:tonguewag:
You are right about that (NG new BGF). My household was abuss all day waiting to see if mom turned up again to coach him through yet another interview....and she did. I was totally shocked when she let him appear on the Today show with Misty and no mom at his side. IMO she was most likely just off camera giving him hand signals!!!:biggrin:
IMO Cobra is everyone's friend until he is ready to let loose....then watch out, the sparks fly. Ron may like him now (Cobra speaks in his language) but not sure how long that will last.
I do have a question, and I apologize if it has been discussed before but...who is Dorothy Annette Sykes? Is she Ron's dad's mom or is she Teresa's mom? And is Teresa married and if so who is she married to? And is Sykes married and if so who to. :confused:
Guess that was more than a question, but I think it is important to know every player in this case. If Sykes dropped over in the early evening on the night Haleigh disappeared and she is taking care of Jr now, does that mean she may have a key and someone in her household could have access to it?? Her story is another inconsistent story too.

Themis

03-17-2009, 06:52 AM

You are right about that (NG new BGF). My household was abuss all day waiting to see if mom turned up again to coach him through yet another interview....and she did. I was totally shocked when she let him appear on the Today show with Misty and no mom at his side. IMO she was most likely just off camera giving him hand signals!!!:biggrin:
IMO Cobra is everyone's friend until he is ready to let loose....then watch out, the sparks fly. Ron may like him now (Cobra speaks in his language) but not sure how long that will last.
I do have a question, and I apologize if it has been discussed before but...who is Dorothy Annette Sykes? Is she Ron's dad's mom or is she Teresa's mom? And is Teresa married and if so who is she married to? And is Sykes married and if so who to. :confused:
Guess that was more than a question, but I think it is important to know every player in this case. If Sykes dropped over in the early evening on the night Haleigh disappeared and she is taking care of Jr now, does that mean she may have a key and someone in her household could have access to it?? Her story is another inconsistent story too.
I can only answer a couple of your questions

Annette Sykes is the mother of Teresa Neves. Therefore, she is Ron Cummings grandmother and Haleigh Cummings great grandmother.

Annette Sykes is widowed to the best of my knowledge but do not take that as absolute fact. JMO

P.S. Now I am off to look at the new thread for Tuesday.

CelticDawn

03-17-2009, 09:54 AM

I read somewhere that Amber is 17. I don't think Ron pays child support, because he said he wasn't sure if that child is his. Yes, I agree with you. Ron should be charged as a predator. He preys on young girls because they're easier to control. It's an UNEQUAL relationship, and it's wrong!:cursing:

Misty is being abused in my opinion, but her and her family are too ignorant to see it.:eek:

UNFORTUNATELY in rural areas and areas where there is less education ...that kind of thing goes on more than any of us would like to even think about....

IMO...Ron HIMSELF is a child....He has not grown up.

I too was married at a very young age, under different circumstances ....but still...