Monday March 16 2009

[MrLucky917B]

Hope for Haleigh

[tinkerbell]

Thank you MrLucky!

[kitty1182]

Thanks Mr.L...:smile:

[MrLucky917B]

Thank you MrLucky!

YW, looks like there isn't any information from the newly weds, none of the stations have an info on them.

JMO

[SwineFeld]

Thanks for starting this. I'll move my last comment from the old thread to this one. See below.
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So he's a hypocrite?



You didn't miss much, it was very brief. Geeraldo mentioned that no one who does or is involved with drugs or dealing should have custody of children. He then told Crystal he hoped she would prevail and get Junior back as she deserved it. (paraphrased). Judge Sieldin added his two cents in agreement.

moo

[kitty1182]

YW, looks like there isn't any information from the newly weds, none of the stations have an info on them.

JMO

Wonder if they are flying in tonight or in the morning...

[SwineFeld]

Perhaps tomorrow we'll hear something? The weekdays seem to be busier than the weekends.

YW, looks like there isn't any information from the newly weds, none of the stations have an info on them.

JMO

[playnice]

Well Ill check back in when I get to work in the morning as that is probably all the news tonight. Gosh, what horrible allegations to go to bed and ponder over. :sad:
I do hope for Jrs sake that the truth what ever it is comes out fast.
If true, dont need him to go missing too.
So sad all the way around that so many kids pay the price for their screwed up parents.

[playnice]

also, I had a discussion with my husband last night, which he didnt like at all but I asked if I was watching the kids and something like this happened to onw of them, how would he feel toward me and he said that he loved me but wouldnt be able to spend the rest of his life with me, which I totally understand, I would have such a large underlaying blame toward him if something happened to my children while they were in his care. Thats why I find it so hard to understand Ronald deciding to marry Misty.

There is a reason and it aint love or what Haleigh wanted. we just have to wait to see what it is.

[MrLucky917B]

Wonder if they are flying in tonight or in the morning...

Looks like they are keeping their travel plans "close to the vest"..

JMO

[playnice]

Has CPS interviewed JR?

I dont know Sam but they probably will now.

[VII]

I'd like to know what evidence Crystal had 2 yrs ago when she tried to go back to court w/Child abuse allegations?
DId she have that picture of Haliegh w/black eyes then?

I haven't seen it so I don't know ...

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[kitty1182]

Looks like they are keeping their travel plans "close to the vest"..

JMO

LOL............Might be a good idea if they do:biggrin:

[aproudmom]

Once again I say Crystal was very smart to get a lawyer and she makes it very clear she was ask to come to help with interviews and media this lawyer has said she did not call her do to custody at that time.

LAWYER DOES NOT mean GUILT very good idea RC and his new wifey need to do the same. IMO

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d15-Video-Attorney-says-Haleighs-mother-is-in-a-very-bad-state

[kitty1182]

I dont know Sam but they probably will now.

I hope they do....I hope this isn't true, but if it is, something has to be done ASAP.

[VII]

LOL............Might be a good idea if they do:biggrin:

Unless Mr. Hot Air For Brains decides to pull a Bonnie and Clyde, take the money they got off the Today Show appearance and go "on the run" ~as if~ he could get away with it :rolleyes:
or
he COULD have ended up on the wrong side of town looking to score and met w/a bit of foul play of a different sort....

just thinkin' out loud ...
prawly a good time to say
GOOD NIGHT, friends :closedeyes:

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[teresa]

Thanks for starting this. I'll move my last comment from the old thread to this one. See below.
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So he's a hypocrite?


Well, she can't marry Chad then. He's been convicted for cocaine and also had a two and one half year order of protection from his wife. She also lives with her mom, a convicted drug dealer.

Hey, the past is the past, right?

[teresa]

So wait, Chad (crystal's fiance was recently convicted of Cocaine charges? and Crystal's mom was convicted of drug dealing?

I think Chad's conviction was in 2007. I could be wrong but it isn't too old. It was much more recent than any of Ron's. His order of protection was just removed this past November. Marie's conviction was a while back...late 90's I think. She was running a drug dwelling, I think they called it.

Let's face it, these kids were surrounded by people with poor judgment. That doesn't mean any of them are child beaters or killers, though.

[Motomom]

Looks like Nancy scored the big Interview

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Evening all.. looks like just Ron, no Misty?

[aproudmom]

Looks like Nancy scored the big Interview

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Oh my he is going to get some hard questions from her about misty.
Monday night exclusive: Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings joins Nancy Grace. The search for little Haleigh intensifies more than a month after she's snatched out of bed in the middle of the night. Who has the five-year-old missing girl, and has a clue been found on a stretch of Florida highway? Nancy Grace investigates, HLN 8 & 10 PM ET.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[tinkerbell]

Looks like Nancy scored the big Interview

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

You mean with Ron on Monday's show?

[MrLucky917B]

Looks like Nancy scored the big Interview

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Good catch, must have been a last minute thing, CNN was only talking about the new clues in Thurdays search for Monday. I wonder why Misty won't be on?

Hope he doesn't say "I don't know anything I was at work"

JMO

[Motomom]

Oh my he is going to get some hard questions from her about misty.
Monday night exclusive: Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings joins Nancy Grace. The search for little Haleigh intensifies more than a month after she's snatched out of bed in the middle of the night. Who has the five-year-old missing girl, and has a clue been found on a stretch of Florida highway? Nancy Grace investigates, HLN 8 & 10 PM ET.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

No way does Nancy get a clue before us :w00t:

If they did find something, wonder why we haven't heard not even a peep.. Wonder why Misty isn't going to be there? Does that mean Ron is still in NY?

[SwineFeld]

As far as the whole drug thing goes, it all comes down to this....

We've all heard allegations of Ron having done drugs in the past and of still doing them in present day. Same goes for Crystal. We've heard the same allegations about her. IMO, we just don't know!

And for Geraldo to sit there and say that, kids don't belong with people who have or are currently doing drugs, but then turn around and tell Crystal that he hopes she gets custody because she deserves it, it just wrong. How can he believe the allegations about Ron and NOT Crystal? As far as I'm concerned, they are both guilty of doing them in the past and who the heck knows about current day. JMO

[tinkerbell]

Evening all.. looks like just Ron, no Misty?

Looks like Ron is the one "advertised". Maybe Misty will be home taking care of Jr.??

[teresa]

I wonder if he'll finally blast back at Crystal? Only a saint could sit back and take it too much longer and we know he's not a saint.

I think Crystal and Geraldo better be able to back up their talk. Ron's landlords, who lived next door until they moved to this MH should know if some of this is true. Also, if the pic of Haleigh is from where she fell at school, the school records will show that.

This is going to get messy. Or messier.

[Motomom]

As far as the whole drug thing goes, it all comes down to this....

We've all heard allegations of Ron having done drugs in the past and of still doing them in present day. Same goes for Crystal. We've heard the same allegations about her. IMO, we just don't know!

And for Geraldo to sit there and say that, kids don't belong with people who have or are currently doing drugs, but then turn around and tell Crystal that he hopes she gets custody because she deserves it, it just wrong. How can he believe the allegations about Ron and NOT Crystal? As far as I'm concerned, they are both guilty of doing them in the past and who the heck knows about current day. JMO


Nobody knows if they are doing drugs now. Back a few yrs ago yes. Now, we have no clue. I don't think ron was doing drugs and most likely Crystal wasn't either at this point, but who really knows.

Geraldo is a CROCK..I don't believe him and I won't beleive whatever that lawyer said about beating the boy until I see her proof. Hearsay is not proof and all of these people who supposedly saw this, how credible can they be i f they didn't make a call? GMAB.. sorry, not buying it until I see some real evidence of that.

[tinkerbell]

Nite, Sam...

[teresa]

As far as the whole drug thing goes, it all comes down to this....

We've all heard allegations of Ron having done drugs in the past and of still doing them in present day. Same goes for Crystal. We've heard the same allegations about her. IMO, we just don't know!

And for Geraldo to sit there and say that, kids don't belong with people who have or are currently doing drugs, but then turn around and tell Crystal that he hopes she gets custody because she deserves it, it just wrong. How can he believe the allegations about Ron and NOT Crystal? As far as I'm concerned, they are both guilty of doing them in the past and who the heck knows about current day. JMO

I agree with you. I wonder how often RC gets drug tested? I think crane operators have to be tested. They should be if they aren't.

[teresa]

Nobody knows if they are doing drugs now. Back a few yrs ago yes. Now, we have no clue. I don't think ron was doing drugs and most likely Crystal wasn't either at this point, but who really knows.

Geraldo is a CROCK..I don't believe him and I won't beleive whatever that lawyer said about beating the boy until I see her proof. Hearsay is not proof and all of these people who supposedly saw this, how credible can they be i f they didn't make a call? GMAB.. sorry, not buying it until I see some real evidence of that.

Geraldo is going to get Fox sued someday. Soon, I hope.

[teresa]

It seem inappropriate timing for Ron to stage a wedding, go off on a honeymoon, do a stint on the Today Show right after losing his daughter that he claims to love so much.

and leave his son all the while ranting he knows a single male stole his dtr and he's going to kill him.

The son he said he wouldn't leave. Yeah. That one.

shades of OJ out looking for the real culprit.


This was Crystal's weekend to have Ron Jr.

[nanieliz]

I wanted to bring this over from the last thread:

I think you can rest your mind. You would never know some women have Turner's by looking at them especially with proper treatment. The ones that you can tell don't just look like children, they resemble Down's Syndrome people to an extent. It's not just that you look "forever young".

T.N. has Turners,Haleigh inherited it from her.

Nanieliz

[BitterSweet]

Geraldo ..I reserve my opinion on his interview tactics.

What I DO know is that the besides tagging Ronald as an unfit parent ..

THE INTERVIEW IN REGARDS TO HALEIGH's ABDUCTION, SUGGESTS...
that Haleigh's abduction was a result of a household filled with 2 hard partying drug users. This is also my opinion. Thus Crystal's fuzzy memory of the evenings events seeing she was coming off a LONG weekend of partying.

Geraldo also implies this is the assumption LE is going on as well. Presumptuous or fact..Geraldo states this as it is fact?

BitterSweet

[Themis]

Looks like Nancy scored the big Interview

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Guess that means the newlyweds didn't arrive in Florida tonight, right?

And Nancy Grace's show is filmed in New York City, right?

So, does that mean Mr. & Mrs. Cummings are still staying in New York City?

How many other shows are filmed in New York City? Greta? Jane M-V?

Is Larry King far behind? Just wondering ...[JMO]

[tinkerbell]

I've read a little about TS; but I have not read anywhere that it was inherited. It's a chromosomal abnormality on the X chromosome, or so I thought...

[tinkerbell]

I doubt Nancy will ask the hard questions. She's been soft on the Cummings, first I thought it was so she could snag Theresa and the first lookee at the trialor. But since that tour, she does seem to favor the Cummings and says little about Crystal and her family. That's why Ron is willing to take her on. He knows she will treat him with kid gloves.

moo

I've noticed a soft stepping on NG's part during this case. I've wondered if this has anything to do with the current litigation against NG; stemming from the Duckett's?

[BitterSweet]

Did you mean to say Misty's fuzzy memory of the evenings events? It was Misty the g/f who was last known to have seen Haleigh.


Indeed I apologize..for my fuzzy!

[nanieliz]

This was Crystal's weekend to have Ron Jr.

Hi T.,are you Ron's mom?


Nanieliz

[Motomom]

I've noticed a soft stepping on NG's part during this case. I've wondered if this has anything to do with the current litigation against NG; stemming from the Duckett's?

I really think that Nancy goes by gut feeling.. but it may have to do with the duckett case.

[Oregongal]

Nobody knows if they are doing drugs now. Back a few yrs ago yes. Now, we have no clue. I don't think ron was doing drugs and most likely Crystal wasn't either at this point, but who really knows.

Geraldo is a CROCK..I don't believe him and I won't beleive whatever that lawyer said about beating the boy until I see her proof. Hearsay is not proof and all of these people who supposedly saw this, how credible can they be i f they didn't make a call? GMAB.. sorry, not buying it until I see some real evidence of that.

Bolding mine...
Hi Motomom,
I haven't posted here often, mostly lurk and am way behind. But, I just had to jump in and comment on my bold....
I have two brothers, have two sons and all their various friends who are into drugs.
I myself used to dabble. I just wanted to say that in the first media appearences of Ron and Misty and a many after, they looked and sounded to me as if they were stoned. I would say on marijuana. I will more than willing to eat crow if I'm wrong, but every time I saw them on camera all I could think was they are stoned and how the heck are they able to be that way with so many people around them?
With my experience with my bros and sons, I know that pot heads are able to find a way to smoke no matter what the situation.
And also from my experience I know that sometimes even if the pot heads are not under the influence at the moment they still act and seem as if they are. Call it a carryover high.
I saw none of that with Chrystal. All I've seen in her was total devestation that her daughter was missing and fear that Haleigh would never come back to her.
These are just my observations of course and as I said, I could be very wrong. But, in my heart and gut, I feel I'm right and I also think that this aspect of Ron and Misty's life may have led to Haleigh being missing. Sure can't figure out how...it could be any number of reasons. I am so heartbroken and frankly surprised that LE has no clues whatsoever...at least what they are revealing...to what happened to this little girl.
As far a GR, no comment there. I don't get his program and am just as glad I don't.
I will go back to lurking now.

[Themis]

I'm not sure. Chatter in Samsuna is Mr. & Mrs Cummings are back in Florida tonight. Maybe it will be a video interview ala Melinda Duckett.

moo
Well, I wouldn't blame them ... what with the temps in NYC in the low 50's as a high and mid-30's at night.

[nanieliz]

I'm not sure. Chatter in Samsuna is Mr. & Mrs Cummings are back in Florida tonight. Maybe it will be a video interview ala Melinda Duckett.

moo

I'm not 100% sure but I think Nancy is out of Atlanta some. She maybe doing a linkup with Ron. I think she may treat him with kid gloves...killem with kindness? If she pushes too much she still won't get anything. He'll either say "my lifes no ones bussiness or he won't answer at all. " He'll say"I WAS AT WORK!"

nanieliz

[Motomom]

Bolding mine...
Hi Motomom,
I haven't posted here often, mostly lurk and am way behind. But, I just had to jump in and comment on my bold....
I have two brothers, have two sons and all their various friends who are into drugs.
I myself used to dabble. I just wanted to say that in the first media appearences of Ron and Misty and a many after, they looked and sounded to me as if they were stoned. I would say on marijuana. I will more than willing to eat crow if I'm wrong, but every time I saw them on camera all I could think was they are stoned and how the heck are they able to be that way with so many people around them?
With my experience with my bros and sons, I know that pot heads are able to find a way to smoke no matter what the situation.
And also from my experience I know that sometimes even if the pot heads are not under the influence at the moment they still act and seem as if they are. Call it a carryover high.
I saw none of that with Chrystal. All I've seen in her was total devestation that her daughter was missing and fear that Haleigh would never come back to her.
These are just my observations of course and as I said, I could be very wrong. But, in my heart and gut, I feel I'm right and I also think that this aspect of Ron and Misty's life may have led to Haleigh being missing. Sure can't figure out how...it could be any number of reasons. I am so heartbroken and frankly surprised that LE has no clues whatsoever...at least what they are revealing...to what happened to this little girl.
As far a GR, no comment there. I don't get his program and am just as glad I don't.
I will go back to lurking now.


I think we would have heard mention of drugs, but then again LE isn't saying anything. I'm quite familiar with drug addicts myself. Pot is not what I would consider a major drug, but thats JMO. It's also not an addicting drug really.. but yes a smoker will find a way to smoke. However, considering his child is missing, it's not hard to imagine he may have been given a prescription for xanex or something similiar IMO. I get what you mean, at least what I think you mean, they seem to be.. a bit slow sometimes.. like weed would do to you. I see the complete opposite in Crystal than you though. Could just be her 'look' though.. same as ron IMO. I think knowing his record, we'd have seen more arrests an charges if he continued doing the drugs..JMO... don't lurk OG

[nanieliz]

Bolding mine...
Hi Motomom,
I haven't posted here often, mostly lurk and am way behind. But, I just had to jump in and comment on my bold....
I have two brothers, have two sons and all their various friends who are into drugs.
I myself used to dabble. I just wanted to say that in the first media appearences of Ron and Misty and a many after, they looked and sounded to me as if they were stoned. I would say on marijuana. I will more than willing to eat crow if I'm wrong, but every time I saw them on camera all I could think was they are stoned and how the heck are they able to be that way with so many people around them?
With my experience with my bros and sons, I know that pot heads are able to find a way to smoke no matter what the situation.
And also from my experience I know that sometimes even if the pot heads are not under the influence at the moment they still act and seem as if they are. Call it a carryover high.
I saw none of that with Chrystal. All I've seen in her was total devestation that her daughter was missing and fear that Haleigh would never come back to her.
These are just my observations of course and as I said, I could be very wrong. But, in my heart and gut, I feel I'm right and I also think that this aspect of Ron and Misty's life may have led to Haleigh being missing. Sure can't figure out how...it could be any number of reasons. I am so heartbroken and frankly surprised that LE has no clues whatsoever...at least what they are revealing...to what happened to this little girl.
As far a GR, no comment there. I don't get his program and am just as glad I don't.
I will go back to lurking now.

I agree! NanieLiz

[teresa]

Hi T.,are you Ron's mom?


Nanieliz


No :smile: I'm not even in Florida. That was part of my user name on the old Court TV board but I couldn't remember the numbers with it.

[tinkerbell]

Nah, Nancy has been ruthless with the TotMom.

moo

Not directly with the TotMom...

[tinkerbell]

This says it's a missing or incomplete X chromosome. Not usually inherited. that it happens randomly. But if the grandmother has it also gives one pause to that scientific theory.


http://www.genome.gov/19519119#5

This condition, as I understand TS, implies that girls are unable to reproduce.

MOO

[Motomom]

I'm very curious to know why Misty won't be attending the ng interview. Is she done with press after the Today Show fiasco? Or is it merely a typo and she will appear with Ron? Misty has not left Ron's side (by choice) since the get-go. Has Ron silenced Misty now because of her repeated attempts to get her story together that have backfired immensely in her face? Or are they just scared if Misty talks more will be revealed and helpful to le.... Tomorrow is going to be a very telling day. Usually JVM will have a segment on, sometimes Greta and I wonder if the Today Show will do a follow-up or blurb about the show on Friday. We've got a lot of new players in the game now, Crystal's lawyer, Cobra the p.i., le has been opening their mouths a little bit more, at least more than they have in the past month. Hopefully all will break loose this week and it will help bring Haleigh home.

moo


Hopefully while Ron is interviewing with NG, misty will be interviewing with LE again. I'm curious as to how this weekend went and whether they are back in FL or not. I'm wondering what Ron's thoughts are on Misty and her inconsistent statements now too. I think it wise, Misty does not go in front of a camera again though.

[nanieliz]

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This is the lolipop/sucker that Crystal said Ron was taking. Soon as she said it my Hinky meter went up. I have taken this drug by Doctors RX. I know what it does! I also know there is a very big illegal use of this drug.
Ron may have taken this in the past and not using now! I would hope they drug test crane operators. Maybe not tho...how often do they ever really drug test anyone?

I just pray for Haleigh! Ron reminds me of my ex-son-in-law! He got custody of his 2 boys. He verbally abused women. He married a very young girl,2 babies,drug use by both. He cleaned himself up enuff to get custody and meet my 17 year old daughter. She went right into being a fulltime mom. Thankfully we all fell in love with these 2 boys and consider them our first grandsons. It only took 3 years for my daughter to see the light. She left and retained visitation with the boys. Thankfully she remarried a very good man,a cop. He has always been wonderful to her and the 2 boys. Her ex went on to marry 3 more times. All very young girls. Each stayed 2 years or less and got out with their lives.
The boys are now 18 and 16. We see the boys 2 weeks in the summer,3 days Christmas,spring break. My daughter left the marriage but not the kids. It was very hard at first. Their bio mom hasn't seen them in years. She was young,had no family backing her or to help her. She didn't have money to fight for the kids and she knew they were better with their dad.

I hope Ron is a good dad,I think Crystal wants to try to be a good mom. Maybe this has opened their eyes.

MOO,but I think Ron should have held off marrying Misty.

I hope this is the day Haleigh comes home!!!!

NanieLiz....JMO

[caphill]

This says it's a missing or incomplete X chromosome. Not usually inherited. that it happens randomly. But if the grandmother has it also gives one pause to that scientific theory.


http://www.genome.gov/19519119#5

TN said she has Turners Syndrome. IIRC, she mentioned a Dr's appointment where she was still receiving treatments.

[Oregongal]

I think we would have heard mention of drugs, but then again LE isn't saying anything. I'm quite familiar with drug addicts myself. Pot is not what I would consider a major drug, but thats JMO. It's also not an addicting drug really.. but yes a smoker will find a way to smoke. However, considering his child is missing, it's not hard to imagine he may have been given a prescription for xanex or something similiar IMO. I get what you mean, at least what I think you mean, they seem to be.. a bit slow sometimes.. like weed would do to you. I see the complete opposite in Crystal than you though. Could just be her 'look' though.. same as ron IMO. I think knowing his record, we'd have seen more arrests an charges if he continued doing the drugs..JMO... don't lurk OG

I will try to chime in more often Moto. :wink:
What is it that you see diff in Crystal that I may be missing?
Maybe I've just been more focused on Ron and Misty since they were there and they had Haleigh in their care. Since Ron was definantly at work, for me he seems to be not the one to be suspect of. But, Misty....I've had my doubts about her from the beginning.
Especially after seeing her on the Today show and that loooong pause after being asked about her inconsistancies in her story....I have a bad feeling about what actually happened the night Haleigh disappeared.

[CardinalLady]

This is my first time posting as I just basically like to read and lurk rather than join in! However, I have to put my two cents worth in tonight if it is ok!
I have to agree 100% with Oregongal when she states that at first and many times thereafter Ron & Misty appear to be stoned when interviewed by the media! I have been around the block more than once myself having been married for 37 yrs. now and raising a son and daughter. I know a stoned person when I see one and it is very common for someone to wear sunglasses when under the influence of marijuana. I will not be convinced otherwise, JMO. I feel Misty was either not home when Haleigh went missing or she had been partying hardy and was "too out of it" to notice what the heck was happening and was passed out big time!
I also would like to comment regarding if they were to interview little Jr.. I worked as a medical transcriptionist at a psychiatric hospital for years and there are specialists trained to know how to get answers out of a child in the right way without them even realizing something may be wrong or them feel threatened in anyway. The therapist asking the questions has a way of "making a game out of it so to speak". I have transcribed so many cases that just have broken my heart where children are sexually abused or have been involved in a cult, etc.. and tears would just roll down my face. It is so unbelievable that so many innocent children pay the price for grown ups satisfaction. The bottom line is "the child NEVER gets over it", it will remain in their heart and soul forever and therefore cannot fuction as a normal adult when the time comes.
I like so many of you feel like there is a skunk in the closet somewhere with Ron & Misty. The wedding itself was just too much! If the man I was to marry showed up in jeans and a wrinkled shirt, much less where a wife beater sleeveless t-shirt to the reception, I would take a huge step back and say no way will I marry this man! It just goes to show the immaturity in Misty once again, she is only a child!
Thank you for letting me vent ya'all! Good night!

[Oregongal]

I agree! NanieLiz

Thanks nanieliz!
:smile:

[Motomom]

Oh I'm hoping Misty is taken away the minute she steps off the plane, but not sure it'll happen. How will Ron be with ng? Will he be as smug and stern, shifty as he was on the Today Show? And same as you, how does he feel toward Misty now, will he still stand by her and if so, why?

I really feel that Teresa and company thought this wedding would turn out to be a fairy tale and all would be well. Little did she realize it backfired bigtime and now she's left to clean up another mess. Have to wonder how much she regrets passing that family heirloom ring down to Misty at this point.

moo

I didn't find him to be smug or stern or shifty on the today show actually. I think he wanted to talk about Haleigh, have to give credit where credit is due. He didn't go on there trying to bash crystal or talk about his inappropriate marriage. He wanted to discuss Haleigh and I do kind of think, hope it was an eye opener when she discussed the inconsistencies. Do you think he knew before hand HOW inconsistent her statements were?

As for Teresa. I don't necessarily think that she thought it would be a fairtale.. however I do think she thought (because I have to give her the benefit of doubt) that it would improve his all around image. Yes IMO it backfired on her bigtime. Too bad now that a wedding took place, Misty doesn't have to give that ring back now at all.

[Motomom]

I will try to chime in more often Moto. :wink:
What is it that you see diff in Crystal that I may be missing?
Maybe I've just been more focused on Ron and Misty since they were there and they had Haleigh in their care. Since Ron was definantly at work, for me he seems to be not the one to be suspect of. But, Misty....I've had my doubts about her from the beginning.
Especially after seeing her on the Today show and that loooong pause after being asked about her inconsistancies in her story....I have a bad feeling about what actually happened the night Haleigh disappeared.


I don't know about Misty Og. I really don't. Part of me says she's just inconsistent, the memory is fuzzy, her lack of education, her young age etc etc etc. However, she should have an answer. I think it's possible someone did come in, in fact I believe that to be the case, but I keep her at the top of my possibility list.

I know a few men like Ron, so I base part of my opinion I have of him, on my experience with men like him. I do think he was at work and I'm confident with what LE said in regards to him, they are satisfied with his interviews.

As far as Crystal, I don't think too much of her at this point. I do think she loves her daughter and wants her back. I don't think she was involved with her disappearance. I think it's too little too late for her. Just as some get the impression that Ron is a drug user, I tend to get tht impression with her as well.

[Motomom]

Respectfully Moto, I disagree. I think Ronald was extremely smug on the Today Show, specifically when answering about whether he believed Jr's story about the man in black. He was, at times, very stern and I did see shiftiness as well, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I do think he knew beforehand how inconsistent her statements have been. Of course, I believe Ronald knows what happened to Haleigh as well. I get a sense of major frustration when Ronald has to take the backseat and let Misty answer questions. If he could, he would answer all the questions and keep her silent. He realizes how much rides on Misty and her credibility, which in my opinion is the reason he married her to begin with.

moo

LOL I knew you disagreed when I responded to your post about it. That's ok, we see things differently.

I try not to make something out of nothing. Sometimes it comes to me later, like in the CA case..now I see some of the things people saw in photos...not all but some.

If he could, he would have answered for her on the today show than too, and he did not.

[Oregongal]

I noticed the last couple of days when I've had time to look at video's of him, he emphasizes the fact he was at work and therefore couldn't have known what happened at the house with the crime.

What jumped out at me most in the beginning of this case was that Ron claimed to know everything about this crime when he had only been home one (1) minute. Things he couldn't have possibly known.

Ironically Misty who was there took her cues from him. Yet he had her do the call in for the child that was missing. the one he loves so much.

It was his words to the contrary of what they are now (I was at work!) that made this crime appear to be staged and contrived.

He either figured out finally on his own that he couldn't have known what he was claiming to have knowledge of re this crime. and stopped doing that guarding what he said into his own future with the media.

or someone clued him to stop being such a know-it-all re the crime.

He knew that it was a crime before anyone else did. He knew what crime it was. He knew the number of perpetrators of the crime. He knew the gender of the perpetrators. He knew what bed his missing child had been in. He knew he was going to kill this awful criminal. He even cried. He knew the back door was deadbolted and this evil kidnapper got in somehow by that door anyway. O look, a cinderblock. O look, the kidnapper propped the back door open. The never-used-by-the-family-door-with-the-always-deadbolted-lock-that-no-one-could-get-in-was-locked-when-the-crime-occured. forget, he wasn't home to know. O look, a man stole my child. But O wait, he didn't know how the cinderblock got there because he haden't checked the yard even though his own mother said he'd lived in the neighborhood for yrs.

I thought him a bad actor and not the slightest bit savvy at that.

I see the lightbulb finally glimmered. O look, he was at work. and even thought to start saying so and stop the silliness that he heaped onto himself in the first weeks of this crime.

O look, LE won't clear him. Who would wonder.

What would you think if you were a juror sitting on this case?

I think Ron's a big fat inconsistency storyteller kinda guy. big time.

I tend to agree with you Adalena. Especially the fact that LE hasn't cleared him (or Misty).
Since there are no charges, no indictment, no trial, I can't even begin to think about jurors at this point.
I do know tho that my hinky meter has been sky high with him and Misty from day one. And it went even higher with these last few days of marriage and 'honeymoon'. I imagine that's been the case with LE as well.
Hence, they haven't cleared anyone, much less Ron or Misty.

[caphill]

I noticed the last couple of days when I've had time to look at video's of him, he emphasizes the fact he was at work and therefore couldn't have known what happened at the house with the crime.

What jumped out at me most in the beginning of this case was that Ron claimed to know everything about this crime when he had only been home one (1) minute. Things he couldn't have possibly known.

Ironically Misty who was there took her cues from him. Yet he had her do the call in for the child that was missing. the one he loves so much.

It was his words to the contrary of what they are now (I was at work!) that made this crime appear to be staged and contrived.

He either figured out finally on his own that he couldn't have known what he was claiming to have knowledge of re this crime. and stopped doing that guarding what he said into his own future with the media.

or someone clued him to stop being such a know-it-all re the crime.

He knew that it was a crime before anyone else did. He knew what crime it was. He knew the number of perpetrators of the crime. He knew the gender of the perpetrators. He knew what bed his missing child had been in. He knew he was going to kill this awful criminal. He even cried. He knew the back door was deadbolted and this evil kidnapper got in somehow by that door anyway. O look, a cinderblock. O look, the kidnapper propped the back door open. The never-used-by-the-family-door-with-the-always-deadbolted-lock-that-no-one-could-get-in-was-locked-when-the-crime-occured. forget, he wasn't home to know. O look, a man stole my child.

SNIPPED FOR SPACE

I think Ron's a big fat inconsistency storyteller kinda guy. big time.


I can't speak for what was going through Ron's mind. I know what would go through my mind if I came home at around 3:30am in the morn and find my little 5 yr old missing from her bed.

My first thought would be that the horrible crime imaginable had happened. I would be hysterical and enraged. I would want to rip apart anyone that had dared to put their hands on my child. I can't imagine finding a child missing in the middle of the night having any calm reasonable explanations other than the child has been stolen. I would know immediately my 5 yr was not just playing outside at 3am in the morning or taking a stroll around the neighborhood.

I guess I had a problem understanding what I thought was sarcasm regarding Ron's reaction to his daughter's abduction

[BiggerRedDog]

TN said she has Turners Syndrome. IIRC, she mentioned a Dr's appointment where she was still receiving treatments.
I'm not sure that Teresa Neves has Turner Syndrome. In the article about doctor appointments and treatments I think Teresa was referring to Haleigh, not herself.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132855&catid=295
SATSUMA, FL -- Haleigh Cumming's grandmother says she has a doctor's appointment later this month.
Teresa Neves says it's one her two routine checkups for Turner syndrome.
"She has on her feet, some of her toes are very wide like they're two toes in one. She has a birthmark on the left side of her face and then she has another tiny one," Neves told First Coast News' Erich Spivey.
Could be that I'm misreading the article, though.

[Motomom]

Lol Moto, I knew you knew I'd disagree too, lol. That's why I prefaced "respectfully" lol. Thanks for knowing that I meant no disrespect, but had to put it out there. You're a champ.:smile:

I think Ron is listening to advice as to not jump in and answer for Misty. I'm sure he and Misty have had many a conversations in which he tells her she better step up her game. She knows the rules by now and I'm sure her performance on the Today Show didn't please Ron by any means. I think the p.i. was right on the money when he said or insinuated that they are very close to breaking this case wide open. It's about time. Also, l.e. is not going to be upstaged by some dude named Cobra, imo.

moo


I'm LOL cause I read your last sentence as Le was going to be upstaged by cobra and was responding when I reread it.. had a good one for you too LOL.. had to throw Lenny into the mix.

I don't care who does what, I just want something to happen and tomorrow is as good a day as any. If there is any evidence out there against Ron, my opinion will change obviously. I just think that either a SO came in and grabbed this child, or that someone took the child and Misty knows exactly who. Maybe she knows she's safe? I don't know, I can't imagine someone hiding a 5 yr old out for this long, but man, a haircut and some color can change ones appearance big time. I think it's highly possible Misty is in on something. But I don't for a second believe that Ron is happy about this marriage, he does not put off that happy vibe. Maybe his grief ove his daughter being gone is overpowering that but I don't know. He doesn't seem happy and I can't understand why he did it. Other than back to what we were just discussing about His mother thinking this would better him.

[Oregongal]

Yes it says they can't reproduce without hormone replacement therapy at puberty, but it says med science can offer hormone replacement therapy and there's a link to more about that.

What I've read seems to indicate there are various severities to more or lesser degrees in individuals. That not all symptoms apply to all who have the syndrome. 10% will show this symptom; that sort of wording.

Whatever, she was adorable. Really a pretty little girl. There's no reason she couldn't live out her life healthy and happy. It doesn't have to define a person. If it were my child I wouldn't let it. My sons had bone cancer from a rare recessive gene. I worked hard at normalcy during their childhoods given the circumstances. Sometimes something that seems awful to onlookers can be an adventurous challenge that makes the person rise to equal the task of living. It's not all bad. Besides, we all want the very best for our children I would hope, no matter what. The Forest Gump theory that life is like a box of chocolates. It's all good.

I love your outlook on life and admire how you have met your challenges Adalena.
I wish more had the same attitude and Forest Gumption as you obviously do. We wouldn't have these message boards about missing and/or dead children.
Hugs to you darlin.
:wub:

[Oregongal]

This is my first time posting as I just basically like to read and lurk rather than join in! However, I have to put my two cents worth in tonight if it is ok!
I have to agree 100% with Oregongal when she states that at first and many times thereafter Ron & Misty appear to be stoned when interviewed by the media! I have been around the block more than once myself having been married for 37 yrs. now and raising a son and daughter. I know a stoned person when I see one and it is very common for someone to wear sunglasses when under the influence of marijuana. I will not be convinced otherwise, JMO. I feel Misty was either not home when Haleigh went missing or she had been partying hardy and was "too out of it" to notice what the heck was happening and was passed out big time!
I also would like to comment regarding if they were to interview little Jr.. I worked as a medical transcriptionist at a psychiatric hospital for years and there are specialists trained to know how to get answers out of a child in the right way without them even realizing something may be wrong or them feel threatened in anyway. The therapist asking the questions has a way of "making a game out of it so to speak". I have transcribed so many cases that just have broken my heart where children are sexually abused or have been involved in a cult, etc.. and tears would just roll down my face. It is so unbelievable that so many innocent children pay the price for grown ups satisfaction. The bottom line is "the child NEVER gets over it", it will remain in their heart and soul forever and therefore cannot fuction as a normal adult when the time comes.
I like so many of you feel like there is a skunk in the closet somewhere with Ron & Misty. The wedding itself was just too much! If the man I was to marry showed up in jeans and a wrinkled shirt, much less where a wife beater sleeveless t-shirt to the reception, I would take a huge step back and say no way will I marry this man! It just goes to show the immaturity in Misty once again, she is only a child!
Thank you for letting me vent ya'all! Good night!

Wonderful post CarinalLady!!!

[caphill]

I tend to agree with you Adalena. Especially the fact that LE hasn't cleared him (or Misty).
Since there are no charges, no indictment, no trial, I can't even begin to think about jurors at this point.
I do know tho that my hinky meter has been sky high with him and Misty from day one. And it went even higher with these last few days of marriage and 'honeymoon'. I imagine that's been the case with LE as well.
Hence, they haven't cleared anyone, much less Ron or Misty.


LE can not clear Ron, Misty or anyone else until they discover what happened to Haleigh.
LE has stated they are satisfied with his timeline for the hours in question. LE has also stated that Misty is not on a list of suspects though they still have questions of the timeline.

Haleigh was abducted from the trailer and that is the only known fact available to the public at this time. Until it is determined how, when and where, everybody remains a possible suspect.

[Motomom]

I wonder if anyone has heard about Misty leaving love messages to her ex boyfriend (I am pretty sure his name is Robert and she had dated him for quite some time) the messages are from Jan and Feb also IIRC they were messages via my space?
If so what are your thoughts?
(I wonder if Ron knew about that or?)

Were they 08 or 09? I only ask because it seems many of the myspace pages are old ones.. no recent comments, last log in last yr, that sort of thing.

[teresa]

I don't think she was out for a stroll in the middle of the night for heaven's sake. Kids her age sleepwalk. Mine did. Wouldn't you wonder how your secure deadbolted door that couldn't possibly get opened (ron's claim) got open? With no signs of forced entry? on the 911 Ron said there was no sign of forced entry on the door. A few days later he told media in live interview there *was* signs of forced entry to the door.
To my mind caphill, It can NOT be both! Yet, Ron has made BOTH claims. His inconsistent stories about something so easily knowable by looking at the door are not believable.

I was just giving my opinion on how this case first struck me.

What jumped out at me most in the beginning of this case was that Ron claimed to know everything about this crime when he had only been home one (1) minute. Things he couldn't have possibly known.

It was his words to the contrary of what they are now (I was at work!) that made this crime appear to be staged and contrived.


Can you explain these statements to me? I think earlier you said that Sheriff Hardy said Misty told him Jr was in another room at first. Can you point me to where I can read that?

Also, do you think that Jr will be safe with Crystal considering the records of the others in her home? Should we hold their past against them? RC hasn't been in trouble since 2005, right?

[Motomom]

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel

I suppose I should have provided a link...duh!
Scroll down the page and the messages in question are on the right hand side of the page.

Last comment was June of 08, last login was may of 08.. Doesn't appear the myspace is in use anymore for whatever reason IMO.

[teresa]

Were they 08 or 09? I only ask because it seems many of the myspace pages are old ones.. no recent comments, last log in last yr, that sort of thing.

They are from 2008

[Motomom]

Good catch it is 2008. I read about something more recent but I'll keep it to myself until I have further proof.
(If what I read was true though it puts a crater sized hole in the claim Misty is making about her and Ron's stable family living situation...just sayin')

I don't put much stock in what some of the supposed rumors are at this point. too many rumors with no proof out there.

I wonder if these people just tired of myspace or if they are on facebook now. Most young people keep good track of their myspace, maybe new ones were created??

[caphill]

Wonderful post CarinalLady!!!


Cases of child abuse are the most horrific of crimes. At this time there is no evidence of child abuse to Haleigh. With her health issues and the many times her family has stated she had Dr's visits and hospital stays, I would think any signs of abuse would have been detected. Also she had started school and to my knowledge there was no notations from her teachers of any signs of abuse.

IIRC, the school documented the fall where Haleigh had scrapes to her face. Crystal mom flashes the picture on TV for Geraldo and tells him she doesn't believe she got those scrapes at school. Geraldo discribes the pic as evidence of the her being "beated to a pulp."

I saw the picture and the scapes on her facebut didn't see the black eyes that have been described. There was an astonishi ng difference between what I saw and what Geraldo saw.

[teresa]

I don't put much stock in what some of the supposed rumors are at this point. too many rumors with no proof out there.
I wonder if these people just tired of myspace or if they are on facebook now. Most young people keep good track of their myspace, maybe new ones were created??

Someone has done a masterful job of infiltrating every internet site I've seen. I wonder when the other side will strike back?

RC needs an attorney for this custody issue. A good one. The man who many consider a wife beating child killer just sits there and lets Crystal slam him and doesn't defend himself. Strange.

[teresa]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d18-Tipster-says-Misty-not-home-when-Haleigh-disappeared


Tipster says Misty not home when Haleigh disappeared
February 18, 12:14 PM

One of 1,200 tips authorities have received in the Haleigh Cum- ming’s case said that Misty Croslin was not at home when Haleigh disap- peared.

Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend of Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s father, has told conflicting stories since the Monday night when Haleigh went missing.

According to initial reports, Croslin told investigators that she was sleeping in the same bed as Haleigh and her younger brother. However, Croslin later told the media she was sleeping in another room and when she got up to use the bathroom, she discovered Haleigh was gone.

Police found no signs of forced entry into the home and a brick had been left in the back door to prop it open.

“We’re not prepared to release information about what we’re following up on because we’re concerned about the safety of the child,” said Crime Stoppers, Capt. Dick Schauland on Wednesday.

Haleigh has blond hair and brown eyes and is 3 feet tall. Please call the Putnam County Sheriff's Office at 386-329-0800 if you have any information regarding Haleigh Cummings.

That's just a blog. Do you have a newspaper link?

[Motomom]

Cases of child abuse are the most horrific of crimes. At this time there is no evidence of child abuse to Haleigh. With her health issues and the many times her family has stated she had Dr's visits and hospital stays, I would think any signs of abuse would have been detected. Also she had started school and to my knowledge there was no notations from her teachers of any signs of abuse.

IIRC, the school documented the fall where Haleigh had scrapes to her face. Crystal mom flashes the picture on TV for Geraldo and tells him she doesn't believe she got those scrapes at school. Geraldo discribes the pic as evidence of the her being "beated to a pulp."

I saw the picture and the scapes on her facebut didn't see the black eyes that have been described. There was an astonishi ng difference between what I saw and what Geraldo saw.


My bolding.. ICAM. Geraldo disgusts me at this point. Heck, when he was carting Jose Baez around on her boat it disgusted me too.. He has probably produced a good bit of the rumors out there at this point IMO

[Oregongal]

I don't know about Misty Og. I really don't. Part of me says she's just inconsistent, the memory is fuzzy, her lack of education, her young age etc etc etc. However, she should have an answer. I think it's possible someone did come in, in fact I believe that to be the case, but I keep her at the top of my possibility list.

I know a few men like Ron, so I base part of my opinion I have of him, on my experience with men like him. I do think he was at work and I'm confident with what LE said in regards to him, they are satisfied with his interviews.

As far as Crystal, I don't think too much of her at this point. I do think she loves her daughter and wants her back. I don't think she was involved with her disappearance. I think it's too little too late for her. Just as some get the impression that Ron is a drug user, I tend to get tht impression with her as well.

Thank you for answering me Moto.
Crystal may very well be a drug user, in fact she's admitted to it in the past. I was mostly talking about the here and now, since Haleigh has been missing. I didn't see any signs of her being high in any of the media appearances she did. Expect for one, after that mix up with the doctors appt, her needing to give her DNA sample, when the media was saying she ran away. I honestly thought that maybe whatever doctor she saw gave her some sort of sedative, Xanex, Valium, because she did seem to be sedated. But, every other time I've seen her on camera, I've seen her clear eyed and as upset as she should be with her little girl missing.
To be honest, if it were me, I would have been drooling because I would want to be so sedated. I can't imagine what she must be feeling.
She not only doesn't have custody, which she probably feels huge guilt about, but her daughter went missing under a 17 yr old girlfriend/babysitter of her ex. She is most likely battling all kinds of emotions thru this all. Guilt and a feeling of total helplessness being top of the list.
I have not seen her tho as Ron and Misty have appeared. With sunglasses on, slow in speech, very flat in affect. There was one time after Ron spoke and was talking to Haleigh and whoever had her and right at the end after the camera went off his face I heard him say...'how was that?' I wish I could find a link to that, because the hairs stood up on the back of my neck when I heard that.
Like he was just coming out, standing in front of the cameras and following a script. I'm not saying he doesn't love his daughter, I'm not saying he doesn't want her back. It just seemed too flat and scripted to me for a father who's daughter is missing and possibly dead.
I guess I'm just saying there is something not quite right with this whole case and I really wish LE had something, anything we could hang our hope on.
That is why I haven't posted much here. After being and am still so involved with the Caylee case, I'm afraid to find out that the worst has happened to Haleigh and I'm afraid that it wasn't a total stranger that came and grabbed her from her little bed.
I pray everyday that Haleigh will be found safe and sound. That is my greatest wish.
But, something just isn't adding up here.
I'm looking forward to NG tomorrow, maybe there will be something from Ron that will help me continue to have hope. Maybe Nancy will be able to get something out of him that will help me and all of you somehow understand everything a bit better.
There is always hope and until something definintive about Haleigh is found, revealed....I will continue to have hope for her.
For Haleigh
:rose:

[Motomom]

Someone has done a masterful job of infiltrating every internet site I've seen. I wonder when the other side will strike back?

RC needs an attorney for this custody issue. A good one. The man who many consider a wife beating child killer just sits there and lets Crystal slam him and doesn't defend himself. Strange.

Aside from the sly get backs by teresa, which were only about the Misty and mommy thing, I'm doubtful we'll see a strike back. Although to be honest, I wouldn't blame Ron one minute if he went onto NG tomorrow and dished the real dirt on Crystal but I don't think he is goign to. He hasn't yet so that tells me something. He may also know where it's coming from, or rather who is pushing Crystal to do and say these things and that IMO is Marie. Maybe she's said some on her own, but it's very ..hmm not sure if hypocritical is the word I would use, but whatever it is LOL.. of her to go on and say these horrid things about Ron, and then in the same breath claim how much he loves haleigh and wouldn't hurt her. To me it doesn't really work both ways. JMO.

[nanieliz]

SATSUMA, Fla. -- In the days leading up to Haleigh Cummings disappearance, family and friends tell us there was no indication anything was different in the small community of Satsuma. The family of the girl who put Haleigh Cummings to sleep and was the last person to see her is speaking out about who they believe may have something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.
“If my family there’s watching it I don’t care…I think that he needs to be brought here and questioned and interrogated by cops he don’t know,” said Lisa Croslin.
Croslin is talking about her nephew. The 19-year-old was in town a few weeks before Haleigh’s disappearance. She says before Haleigh was taken, her nephew got in a fight with Haleigh’s father, Ronald.
“What happened is he had stolen Ronald’s gun…and one morning on the porch he said Ronald would get what’s coming to him…then it was dropped, and he left," said Lisa Croslin.
Croslin says her nephew left the day Haleigh was abducted. She also tells us a light blue van her nephew might have drove was confiscated and analyzed by police. Croslin’s husband Hank says a mysterious gash appeared on the side of the van the night Haleigh disappeared.
The Croslins say they’re positive their daughter had nothing to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. They also say they’re putting their faith in the police to investigate everyone including their own family.


I found this but couldn't get the link! Hope its not against the rules?

NanieLiz

[caphill]

Were they 08 or 09? I only ask because it seems many of the myspace pages are old ones.. no recent comments, last log in last yr, that sort of thing.


They were Jan and Feb 2008 and before.

[teresa]

Aside from the sly get backs by teresa, which were only about the Misty and mommy thing, I'm doubtful we'll see a strike back. Although to be honest, I wouldn't blame Ron one minute if he went onto NG tomorrow and dished the real dirt on Crystal but I don't think he is goign to. He hasn't yet so that tells me something. He may also know where it's coming from, or rather who is pushing Crystal to do and say these things and that IMO is Marie. Maybe she's said some on her own, but it's very ..hmm not sure if hypocritical is the word I would use, but whatever it is LOL.. of her to go on and say these horrid things about Ron, and then in the same breath claim how much he loves haleigh and wouldn't hurt her. To me it doesn't really work both ways. JMO.


I also blame it on Marie. Crystal is a different person when her mom is not around, usually at least. I just don't know how he can't defend himself. I would have to blast them if I were in his shoes. I guess he's a better person than me. :mellow:

[Motomom]

Thank you for answering me Moto.
Crystal may very well be a drug user, in fact she's admitted to it in the past. I was mostly talking about the here and now, since Haleigh has been missing. I didn't see any signs of her being high in any of the media appearances she did. Expect for one, after that mix up with the doctors appt, her needing to give her DNA sample, when the media was saying she ran away. I honestly thought that maybe whatever doctor she saw gave her some sort of sedative, Xanex, Valium, because she did seem to be sedated. But, every other time I've seen her on camera, I've seen her clear eyed and as upset as she should be with her little girl missing.
To be honest, if it were me, I would have been drooling because I would want to be so sedated. I can't imagine what she must be feeling.
She not only doesn't have custody, which she probably feels huge guilt about, but her daughter went missing under a 17 yr old girlfriend/babysitter of her ex. She is most likely battling all kinds of emotions thru this all. Guilt and a feeling of total helplessness being top of the list.
I have not seen her tho as Ron and Misty have appeared. With sunglasses on, slow in speech, very flat in affect. There was one time after Ron spoke and was talking to Haleigh and whoever had her and right at the end after the camera went off his face I heard him say...'how was that?' I wish I could find a link to that, because the hairs stood up on the back of my neck when I heard that.
Like he was just coming out, standing in front of the cameras and following a script. I'm not saying he doesn't love his daughter, I'm not saying he doesn't want her back. It just seemed too flat and scripted to me for a father who's daughter is missing and possibly dead.
I guess I'm just saying there is something not quite right with this whole case and I really wish LE had something, anything we could hang our hope on.
That is why I haven't posted much here. After being and am still so involved with the Caylee case, I'm afraid to find out that the worst has happened to Haleigh and I'm afraid that it wasn't a total stranger that came and grabbed her from her little bed.
I pray everyday that Haleigh will be found safe and sound. That is my greatest wish.
But, something just isn't adding up here.
I'm looking forward to NG tomorrow, maybe there will be something from Ron that will help me continue to have hope. Maybe Nancy will be able to get something out of him that will help me and all of you somehow understand everything a bit better.
There is always hope and until something definintive about Haleigh is found, revealed....I will continue to have hope for her.
For Haleigh
:rose:

Crying with no tears is what sticks out to me with Crystal. Her dark circles around her eyes, sunken look. I know this will sound silly but her original myspace page, with the pictures of her and her new baby.. she wasn't smiling in many of them. That straight face just seems so strange and there were quite a few pictures like that. I just see her type around too. In the very beginning I felt for her a bit.. only saw real emotion in a couple of her videos.. saw alot of overexaggerated emotion in others, but jmo. What really turned my stomach about her was the entire Ron bashing, Geraldo and now custody issue.

And let me tell you, I don't give Ron a pass on his marriage.. disgusting ..nothing more or less than that to me. The sunglasses..well if you were sunglasses alot, you tend to forget they are on.. but he knew that he had to get up there and say something, he should ahve taken them off. I can make up excuses..such as if he wears the glasses we think he's hiding something, if he doesn't, everyone thinks he high on drugs. So he can't win no matter what IMO.

Oh and another thing too OG.. I've shared what I believe to have happened.. So snatched her.. or someone misty knows.. I have picture a young guy..maybe two and i don't know why. Somehow connected to misty.. could just be because when we follow these cases we read too much..geeze, iw as reading about susan smith earlier thanks to swar and all day when I thought of haleigh and ron, i pictured David.. so I had to clear my head lol. I follow the CA case too, have take a few days off because two of these cases at one time is almost unbearable and I'm finding myself getting paranoid about my own children. I feel as if i'm betraying Caylee a little bit because I've though of her every day since july ya know.. but I figure nobody can do anything for her now, besides see justice served.. so looking fwd to that. Maybe prayers will help Haleigh come home.. or be found.

[Oregongal]

Cases of child abuse are the most horrific of crimes. At this time there is no evidence of child abuse to Haleigh. With her health issues and the many times her family has stated she had Dr's visits and hospital stays, I would think any signs of abuse would have been detected. Also she had started school and to my knowledge there was no notations from her teachers of any signs of abuse.

IIRC, the school documented the fall where Haleigh had scrapes to her face. Crystal mom flashes the picture on TV for Geraldo and tells him she doesn't believe she got those scrapes at school. Geraldo discribes the pic as evidence of the her being "beated to a pulp."

I saw the picture and the scapes on her facebut didn't see the black eyes that have been described. There was an astonishi ng difference between what I saw and what Geraldo saw.

I don't go with ANYTHING Geraldo says.
He's nothing more than a media wh**e as far as I'm concerned. He lost his credibility long ago and I'm surprised he's still on tv.
:thumbdown:

[Motomom]

Snipped


I found this but couldn't get the link! Hope its not against the rules?

NanieLiz

Nan, just so you know you have to provide a link, you aren't allowed to just copy and paste. What you do is just go into the browser bar when you pull the site up, copy that and paste it into your post :)

[caphill]

I'm not sure that Teresa Neves has Turner Syndrome. In the article about doctor appointments and treatments I think Teresa was referring to Haleigh, not herself.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=132855&catid=295
SATSUMA, FL -- Haleigh Cumming's grandmother says she has a doctor's appointment later this month.
Teresa Neves says it's one her two routine checkups for Turner syndrome.
"She has on her feet, some of her toes are very wide like they're two toes in one. She has a birthmark on the left side of her face and then she has another tiny one," Neves told First Coast News' Erich Spivey.
Could be that I'm misreading the article, though.



In reading the article I think TN was talking about Haleigh having scheduled Dr's appointments. That may be my confusion in attributing TN comments about the Dr's visit to her own condition.

Now you have me questioning my memory. I believe I heard TN in an interview say she also had Turners Syndrome. It may have been the Greta interview when they were walking near the trailer. Maybe someone else here remembers the interview and can confirm I heard what I thought I heard TN say.

[nanieliz]

could just be because when we follow these cases we read too much..geeze, iw as reading about susan smith earlier thanks to swar and all day when I thought of haleigh and ron, i pictured David.. so I had to clear my head lol. I follow the CA case too, have take a few days off because two of these cases at one time is almost unbearable and I'm finding myself getting paranoid about my own children. I feel as if i'm betraying Caylee a little bit because I've though of her every day since july ya know.. but I figure nobody can do anything for her now, besides see justice served.. so looking fwd to that. Maybe prayers will help Haleigh come home.. or be found.

I live close to the Ga/S.C. border. I was very caught up in the Susan Smith Murders. I didn't have a computer but we heard so much on the news. I knew from the get go she had done "something"
Later there were 4 books wrote and I read all 4. David wrote one. After reading his book...I understoof Susan more. Susan's mother wrote a book and it opened my eyes too.
Susan and Susan alone murdered her boys! BUT..David,her mother,her stepfather and her fathers sucide played a part in what she did.
David has gone on,fathered a child then married the girl. The girl he was having an afair with. While with her,he had another afair. Then married the mother of the new baby Savanah and they had another baby. He then left that wife. He has apeared on Larry King several times. Another case of young parents with bad backgrounds. Two beautiful boys gone to Heaven!

also...there were many videos showing Susan with her boys. She APPEARED to be a very loving mother. Much like the video we've seen latly of CMA and Caylee.

Video's/pictures prove nothing really. People murder their children. I hope CMA gets justice! Justice=LWOP!!

MOO...NanieLiz

[Motomom]

I think we'll be seeing a lot less of Marie now that Crystal has her new attorney. Wish I could say the same for Ron's mom. I bet one of the first things on Kim's to-do list was to put Marie far, far into the background. I also believe the attorney can distinguish the difference between a credible source as opposed to someone who is just telling stories. I think it'll be a good thing when both mothers are rarely heard from.

moo

I'm not so sure about her judgement of credible sources. Hopefully she'll wisen up, but she wasn't much better than Marie or crystal IMO going right on National Tv doing more bashing..yet knowing (at that time) nothing much of the history IMO.

Did anymore come out of that victems advocate leaving?

[Motomom]

I live close to the Ga/S.C. border. I was very caught up in the Susan Smith Murders. I didn't have a computer but we heard so much on the news. I knew from the get go she had done "something"
Later there were 4 books wrote and I read all 4. David wrote one. After reading his book...I understoof Susan more. Susan's mother wrote a book and it opened my eyes too.
Susan and Susan alone murdered her boys! BUT..David,her mother,her stepfather and her fathers sucide played a part in what she did.
David has gone on,fathered a child then married the girl. The girl he was having an afair with. While with her,he had another afair. Then married the mother of the new baby Savanah and they had another baby. He then left that wife. He has apeared on Larry King several times. Another case of young parents with bad backgrounds. Two beautiful boys gone to Heaven!

also...there were many videos showing Susan with her boys. She APPEARED to be a very loving mother. Much like the video we've seen latly of CMA and Caylee.

Video's/pictures prove nothing really. People murder their children. I hope CMA gets justice! Justice=LWOP!!

MOO...NanieLiz


Thanks for that nan, I had no idea David moved on and married and had more children. So he has two more children? Yes they were beautiful children. I'll always remember their sweet little faces too. I hope she rots too.

I know we see the pictures and yet people still snap..go crazy or are just plain old evil.

[nanieliz]

In reading the article I think TN was talking about Haleigh having scheduled Dr's appointments. That may be my confusion in attributing TN comments about the Dr's visit to her own condition.

Now you have me questioning my memory. I believe I heard TN in an interview say she also had Turners Syndrome. It may have been the Greta interview when they were walking near the trailer. Maybe someone else here remembers the interview and can confirm I heard what I thought I heard TN say.

I may be wrong about T.N. having Turners but I thought she showed someone her own hands and said she had Turners too. I can't find a link and I've been off looking for one.

After reading about Turners tho...the females usually can not have kids. There are cases where they have kids with donated eggs.

SO,does T.N. have Turners or NOT???

NanieLiz

[teresa]

For two and a half hours, I have read every link I can find on Sheriff Hardy. I have yet to find where Misty told him Ron Jr was in a different room. I guess some of us here accept rumors and I wish we wouldn't.

[nanieliz]

Nan, just so you know you have to provide a link, you aren't allowed to just copy and paste. What you do is just go into the browser bar when you pull the site up, copy that and paste it into your post :)

I kept trying but will go back and see if I can do it now. Thanks! I got sent to the dog house back a couple years ago.(Laci) Then I just lurked and read. Don't want that to happen again.

NanieLiz

[cat3]

I'm not so sure about her judgement of credible sources. Hopefully she'll wisen up, but she wasn't much better than Marie or crystal IMO going right on National Tv doing more bashing..yet knowing (at that time) nothing much of the history IMO.

Did anymore come out of that victems advocate leaving?

I agree.Not to sound like Jose Baez,but it is sort of like trying the case in the court of public opinion with no facts to back up the attorneys claims.I have always heard that family members are not considered credible in a court of law due to the fact that they ARE family.
Anyway,just popped my head in for a few, and am off to bed,but one question before I go,if anyone knows....have there been any women other than Crystal,that have said they were brutalized or beaten by Ron Cummings? I just wondered if I had missed something in the documents/court cases I had seen,as I really only gave them a brief scan.I saw the post by one poster claiming that many women had said they were beaten by Ron and that there were witnesses to this, and thought I had better check to see what I had missed.IMO.

[Oregongal]

Crying with no tears is what sticks out to me with Crystal. Her dark circles around her eyes, sunken look. I know this will sound silly but her original myspace page, with the pictures of her and her new baby.. she wasn't smiling in many of them. That straight face just seems so strange and there were quite a few pictures like that. I just see her type around too. In the very beginning I felt for her a bit.. only saw real emotion in a couple of her videos.. saw alot of overexaggerated emotion in others, but jmo. What really turned my stomach about her was the entire Ron bashing, Geraldo and now custody issue.

And let me tell you, I don't give Ron a pass on his marriage.. disgusting ..nothing more or less than that to me. The sunglasses..well if you were sunglasses alot, you tend to forget they are on.. but he knew that he had to get up there and say something, he should ahve taken them off. I can make up excuses..such as if he wears the glasses we think he's hiding something, if he doesn't, everyone thinks he high on drugs. So he can't win no matter what IMO.

Oh and another thing too OG.. I've shared what I believe to have happened.. So snatched her.. or someone misty knows.. I have picture a young guy..maybe two and i don't know why. Somehow connected to misty.. could just be because when we follow these cases we read too much..geeze, iw as reading about susan smith earlier thanks to swar and all day when I thought of haleigh and ron, i pictured David.. so I had to clear my head lol. I follow the CA case too, have take a few days off because two of these cases at one time is almost unbearable and I'm finding myself getting paranoid about my own children. I feel as if i'm betraying Caylee a little bit because I've though of her every day since july ya know.. but I figure nobody can do anything for her now, besides see justice served.. so looking fwd to that. Maybe prayers will help Haleigh come home.. or be found.

Moto, I totally understand and get everything you said and :wub: you for it.
I feel so much the same as you do.
I am in no way trying to defend or excuse Crystal in any way, just putting out my thoughts....as you are. I've missed alot about this case because I've only lurked and have not been super involved as I have been with Caylee. As you can see by my siggy, Haleigh has been on my heart and mind from the day I heard about her. That is when I edited my siggy.
I appreciate every one's thoughts, ideas and opinions in this case and Caylee's.
I think it's just so hard for us who are not right there and/or involved personally in any way with either of these cases...Haleigh and Caylee...to understand. We want so much to have the answers, right now! We want those answers to be obvious and clear because our hearts just cannot bear the unknowable about these little ones.
It's also very hard for us who care so much that we are on these boards at all, to not know everything, to want LE to disclose all they know, to want to examine every little thing about the people closest to the baby who is missing and gone. If knowing each and every little thing about them can possibly bring us closer to understanding, we want to know it all.
It's human nature. It's CARING, HEARTFELT human nature. We all care and want and hope for anything that will validate our caring.
We also want to think the best of everyone. We want to think that a mother, father, a grandmother/grandfather, babysitter had nothing to do with the horrendous fact that a child has gone missing. Perhaps a child is dead.
We want that stranger, that boogeyman to be responsible, but so often in these cases we have found it wasn't a stranger or boogeyman, it was someone who should have been loving and protecting that little child with all their being.
So when there are inconsistancies, when there are questions, observations about the ones who had care of these children, our natural instinct is to pick at each and every one of them.
Not necessarily because they had something to do with the loss of the child, but because we are trying to understand and make sense of it all.
God help me if my gson were to go missing. God help my dd if her son were to go missing. We also would be under the same scrutiny as the Cummings, the Neven's, the Anthony's the friends, cousins, aunts, uncles.....everyone associated with each of us.
I guess what I'm trying to say again is, I appreciate your opinions, your ideas, your feelings. It helps me, and I hope others understand and try and make sense of something we so desperatly want to make sense of.
In this case, a child is missing. She has been gone for over a month. There are no clues, there is no evidence to point to what happened to her. In Caylee's case, a child is dead. There is a mother charged and indicted for her murder, there is much evidence.
But, in both cases, we do not know why, we cannot understand why either of these little girls are gone.
We are all here to try and understand.
That shows me there are so many that care for these little girls and that shows me that the whole world is not bad. And God willing, the answers for each of these little ones will be found.
With alllllll of that, I will say good night to all of you who are here and are the caring people you are.
Thank you all for being who you are.

[BiggerRedDog]

In reading the article I think TN was talking about Haleigh having scheduled Dr's appointments. That may be my confusion in attributing TN comments about the Dr's visit to her own condition.
Now you have me questioning my memory. I believe I heard TN in an interview say she also had Turners Syndrome. It may have been the Greta interview when they were walking near the trailer. Maybe someone else here remembers the interview and can confirm I heard what I thought I heard TN say.You could well be right, caphill. I haven't heard TN talk about her own Turner Syndrome, but that doesn't mean she hasn't. There's heaps of stuff I know I've missed. :unsure:

[iluvspring]

Geraldo's show is theonly place I know that has a copy of the photo.

moo

It was documented that the picture with the black eyes was a result of a playground accident at her school. I'm not sure if it is in links or another older thread. IMO.

[beachpatty]

Good Morning All,

Maybe NG will get back to her old ways tonight, beat on her desk and demand answers, we can hope so! Maybe they taped Ron (& Misty?) before they leave NY, if they have left yet.

Coffee is on!

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Mr. Lucky are you still here? Yesterday you posted about CNN giving a heads up or something like that about a possible clue found on Florida State Highway. I heard the same thing on HLN but never got to find out what they were talking about.

Anybody know?

[n/t]

Good Morning All,

Maybe NG will get back to her old ways tonight, beat on her desk and demand answers, we can hope so! Maybe they taped Ron (& Misty?) before they leave NY, if they have left yet.

Coffee is on!

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

Last week, Nancy made it sound like it was no big deal that they got married. I love Nancy but I find myself scratching my head and disagreeing with her a lot about this case. Not sure if it's some sort of strategy to play the "good guy" with Teresa Nieves so she can get as much information as possible from her. We know Cindy Anthony appeared on her show once and then blasted Nancy and blamed her if her daughter is convicted. Maybe she's taking a different approach in this case.

She's not too fond of Crystal that's for sure. :huh:

[kellabeck]

Geraldo is saying that his belief is that drug use and/or dealing is at the heart of this case. That someone from Ron's drug world snatched Haleigh and that he believes LE is operating on this theory as well.

[n/t]

Geraldo is saying that his belief is that drug use and/or dealing is at the heart of this case. That someone from Ron's drug world snatched Haleigh and that he believes LE is operating on this theory as well.

OK...Geraldo. :rolleyes: Drug dealers don't steal kids. They would've offed Ron if that was the case, imo.

I do agree that it may be someone who wanted revenge but I don't think it's necessarily drugs. I'd like to know about that fight Ron had. What was it about? It seems that it was conveniently swept under the rug by Ron and his side. Why? Was getting married to Misty an "in your face" to someone?

[Texas48]

Good Morning All,

Maybe NG will get back to her old ways tonight, beat on her desk and demand answers, we can hope so! Maybe they taped Ron (& Misty?) before they leave NY, if they have left yet.

Coffee is on!

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
BeachpattyAhhhhh..good morning Patty. Have been awake since 5am..reading and playing catch up and waiting on you to get the coffee started..Will be right over. Yes, it appears NG will get her big interview w/Ron tonight. I'll tape it on Tivo and add it to the others. I'm not all that sure NG is going to slam Ron as only NG can do. For some reason she "appears" to have a relationship w/TN(maybe playing her to get the home tour) and "appears" to dislike Crystal and especially Crystal's attorney and I have not figured out the reason why. Quess the show will give us something to look forward to tonight and something to post about tomorrow.lol What a life we have.lol..:wub:For All

[Texas48]

Good Morning,

Mr. Lucky are you still here? Yesterday you posted about CNN giving a heads up or something like that about a possible clue found on Florida State Highway. I heard the same thing on HLN but never got to find out what they were talking about.

Anybody know?Good morning to you n/t. Have not seen Mr. Lucky as of yet this am but sure he'll be on soon. Have not heard about any evidence or clues so maybe we will hear more today.

[Texas48]

Last week, Nancy made it sound like it was no big deal that they got married. I love Nancy but I find myself scratching my head and disagreeing with her a lot about this case. Not sure if it's some sort of strategy to play the "good guy" with Teresa Nieves so she can get as much information as possible from her. We know Cindy Anthony appeared on her show once and then blasted Nancy and blamed her if her daughter is convicted. Maybe she's taking a different approach in this case.

She's not too fond of Crystal that's for sure. :huh:I believe you and I have had this discussion before about the CHANGES in NG on this case. I could see the difference in her from the start and was shocked to say the least as I have watched her for years and never saw this side of her. I just am puzzled by her actions and it seems(to me) she took a liking to TN from the get go and a dislike for Crystal from the get go. As I posted earlier.. could she have formed a relationship w/TN ONLY to het the TOUR of the MH? If so..then why show such a dislike for Crystal and to the attorney as well? Possible she feels since she is the "perfect mother of the twins" that Crystal was in the wrong for "not fighting harder" for the custody of Haleigh and Jr.? I don't have the answers to this or anything else. The ONLY thing I know for a certainty is Haleigh has vanished..another CHILD LOST. JMO

[n/t]

Good morning to you n/t. Have not seen Mr. Lucky as of yet this am but sure he'll be on soon. Have not heard about any evidence or clues so maybe we will hear more today.

I hope we hear something soon too.

There are so many unanswered questions. Besides the fight I posted about earlier, there was that "misunderstanding" about Ron allegedly telling 2 people that he was sure he knew who took Haleigh. IIRC, it was 70% or something like that.

These along with the quick wedding makes me wonder if it's a personal vendetta.

[Januarybaby]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=133648&catid=4

WHen my hubby and I got married ( and anyone else I know) we stood facing each other and looked each other in the eyes during our vows.

Ron and Misty dont even face each other even when saying the words. Really weird, thought they were so much in love.


Also, in his 911 call, I can see him mention he'd kill whoever took her, but why tell the 911 operator she could put that in her report? That seems odd too.

[crymeariver2006]

Good catch, must have been a last minute thing, CNN was only talking about the new clues in Thurdays search for Monday. I wonder why Misty won't be on?

Hope he doesn't say "I don't know anything I was at work"

JMO

That's probably all he'll say and NG will gloss right over it. In the beginning, NG was tore up from the floor up about Misty's changing stories. Now she never mentions it.

IMO, Misty won't be there because by now they all realize what a disaster the Today Show interview was. No sense in having her on where she's asked a semi-tough question and answers like this: :shrug:

[Januarybaby]

"I think it has changed to my personal life and being married and everything else when they should be focused on my five-year-old daughter," said Cummings.


SHouldnt HIS focus be on Haleigh too, not getting married?


I was married when I was young, we had a backyard wedding and our guests were dressed like they were going into a church and my ex wore a suit. Ronald looks to me like he wasnt concerned about this wedding but Misty wanted something different. Ronalds attitude just doesnt fit to me with all this marriage stuff.

[Texas48]

Geraldo is saying that his belief is that drug use and/or dealing is at the heart of this case. That someone from Ron's drug world snatched Haleigh and that he believes LE is operating on this theory as well.I am NOT a big fan of GR but from the start of this case it has always been a possiblity..in my mind..that this COULD have had something to do w/the dissapearance of Haleigh. But...I have read many post that have lots of good points. There could be several reasons this little girl is gone. Time will tell. jmo

[Texas48]

OK...Geraldo. :rolleyes: Drug dealers don't steal kids. They would've offed Ron if that was the case, imo.

I do agree that it may be someone who wanted revenge but I don't think it's necessarily drugs. I'd like to know about that fight Ron had. What was it about? It seems that it was conveniently swept under the rug by Ron and his side. Why? Was getting married to Misty an "in your face" to someone?It certainly could have been revenge n/t. As for the fight...anybodys quess. According to Ron incident happened several weeks prior to Haleigh dissapearing and he kinda left the impression it was no big deal..then according to TN the fight was the night Haleigh went missing. Then the gun is found in a ditch. Once again...anybody's quess. IMO it was swept under the rug as you say. Whose gun was it? Was the fight w/Cousin Joe? Who threw it in the ditch? Was the gun legal? Why did Ron have a gun? I could go on forever with all the questions I have. A true mystery. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

"I think it has changed to my personal life and being married and everything else when they should be focused on my five-year-old daughter," said Cummings.


SHouldnt HIS focus be on Haleigh too, not getting married?


I was married when I was young, we had a backyard wedding and our guests were dressed like they were going into a church and my ex wore a suit. Ronald looks to me like he wasnt concerned about this wedding but Misty wanted something different. Ronalds attitude just doesnt fit to me with all this marriage stuff.

That may depend on the thought behind the action JB. First of all, we have to understand that Ron and Misty have not lawyered up so it's "WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET" right now.

Maybe he thought if he married her it would get the public outcry about the age difference and living together a rest and at the same time afford them some light to shine through the NATIONAL media back on Haleigh....possible IMO.

Or maybe he has heard that after all this outcry, once CPS is called in to Misty's parents questioning why they are not providing for a child they brought into this world, he could face charges. It's possible, but remember the first step would be a family services agency doing a welfare check on Misty Croslin, a minor IMO. Admittedly that would likely turn to investigating Ronald Cummings for possible allegations of statutory rape.

Which brings us to the last in a series from my POV. Misty and Ronald could have denied sexual contact and the only way to prove otherwise would have been if she was pregnant. I don't remove that POSSIBILITY from the table either.

I acknowledge not seeing a happy couple at this point, but could anyone here be happy given their situation and a STILL MISSING HALEIGH? I see it more as something that needed to be done but that's just me and I certainly wouldn't want to do it under such circumstances. JMO.:crying:

We don't know if Misty lied about her age in the beginning since we have heard she wasn't living at home and moved to Ron's IIRC.

ALL JMO.

~~BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME and LET'S HOPE FOR A MIRACLE.~~:rose:

[Texas48]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=133648&catid=4

WHen my hubby and I got married ( and anyone else I know) we stood facing each other and looked each other in the eyes during our vows.

Ron and Misty dont even face each other even when saying the words. Really weird, thought they were so much in love.


Also, in his 911 call, I can see him mention he'd kill whoever took her, but why tell the 911 operator she could put that in her report? That seems odd too.All good points. Reminds me of the old saying...stick this in your pipe and smoke it. (the way Ron said to dispatcher about putting it in her report). Puzzle pieces is all we have. jmo

[TobyWong]

Good Morning All! It has taken me hours to catch up on yesterdays thread. I cant wait to hear how Nancy talks to ron tonight. I keep jumping back & forth over the fence on this case. After reading the unedited 911 transcripts i was back to thinking ron was really freaking out cuz his child was missing. I think right when he got home & misty said your girl is gone, he might've said what the heck?? & misty said 'i dont know but maybe some pervert grabbed her' hence the immediate response that ron would kill the guy who stole his daughter.??
Then I go to TN saying something was missing from the MH. IMO that would be Heleighs blanket. And i think that around 10 pm misty found the bedding wet and got very upset cuz it was in the big bed so she had to wash everything. Right now this is where im leaning that she was murdered. Then misty had her brother come take the body away in the blanket, in the van. I think she returned late and was cleaning away any traces of a wetting and beating and was wide awake when ron got home.
I am not taking custody issue sides cuz I think all these children are not anyones top priority. But this reiventing of crystal has really bothered me. IMO she was completely strung out in the beginning, then had a few days of 'exhuastion' which to me were actually a few days of sweating, fiending, and hopefully getting the drugs out of her system. JMO but she's using her daughters disappearence as a way of 'looking' like the better parent. Using the free rescources that are coming her way.
Urg!! Then I think "why would ron marry misty?" only 2 things come to mind #1 it's her pay off for helping cover for him #2 the custody of jr. but why would he marry her if there is a possibility that she had anything to do w/ his daughters disapperence?
So back and forth I go. all imo of course
I hope today is the day Haleigh is found!

[MrLucky917B]

Good Morning,

Mr. Lucky are you still here? Yesterday you posted about CNN giving a heads up or something like that about a possible clue found on Florida State Highway. I heard the same thing on HLN but never got to find out what they were talking about.

Anybody know?

Yesterday they had teasers saying "evidence found in search of highway?" watch NG Monday. It didn't come up till late last night that Ron would be on.

JMO

[playnice]

Yesterday they had teasers saying "evidence found in search of highway?" watch NG Monday. It didn't come up till late last night that Ron would be on.

JMO

Last week a reporter said that they were looking for something that may have been thrown out a car. (About Thur search)
NG is probably running behind and that is what this is going to be about.

[n/t]

Yesterday they had teasers saying "evidence found in search of highway?" watch NG Monday. It didn't come up till late last night that Ron would be on.

JMO

Ahhhh ok. Thank you!

[n/t]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=133648&catid=4

WHen my hubby and I got married ( and anyone else I know) we stood facing each other and looked each other in the eyes during our vows.

Ron and Misty dont even face each other even when saying the words. Really weird, thought they were so much in love.


Also, in his 911 call, I can see him mention he'd kill whoever took her, but why tell the 911 operator she could put that in her report? That seems odd too.

I posted the same thing yesterday about the 911 call. Very odd indeed. If he was so distraught that his daughter was missing why care about the 911 call being recorded?

[kate482000]

Hey Tree! :thumbsup: Yes, let's all keep in mind while watching ng tomorrow night that none of what Ronald nor Misty do is any of our business. Even though Misty was the last person to see Haleigh and was ultimately responsible for Haleigh's care, it isn't anyone's beezwax.

moo

OT. Why are you referring to the NG show as tommorrow night? It is Mon. morning as I type...(Just curious)

[kitty1182]

Good morning.Praying today is the day we find out where Haleigh is...

[Former Juror]

Here is my take on Geraldo's comments last night. He did not say that drug dealers abducted Haleigh. He was alluding to Ron and Misty's reported 'lifestyle' of drugs. He was basically saying that someone close to Haleigh (including Ron and Misty or someone they know well) abducted her because so many people in her life are shady.

I think LE's comments over the weekend of stating directly that Misty IS a suspect confirms that.

IMO

[psbperu]

What I have noticed the past 2 days is that posters have latched on to the core of this case.

Really appreciate the insight & logic of Adalena, Cardinal, Oregongal, VII,
Candykisses, Sam, Mr.Lucky,nanieliz and so many others. The comments about Ron & Misty appearing "stoned" may be why I have posted about their inability to string words together to make coherent sentences.

My daughter was a big time marijuana user (amongst other drugs) at 16...she & her friends smoked it on the way to school every morning. It may not be addictive but there is a dependency there.

Have also wondered about the 911 call which Ron should have made, that is his daughter, it shouldn't have been Misty talking to the dispatcher & then Ron..relaying questions & information back & forth.

Just want to thank you all...those with opposite opinions & the fence sitters.

[Peaches]

Nancy lives in Mahantten and broadcasts out of CNN studios in NY.

moo



Nancy and her husband also have a home in Atlanta, GA.

[Amy]

Ahhhhh..good morning Patty. Have been awake since 5am..reading and playing catch up and waiting on you to get the coffee started..Will be right over. Yes, it appears NG will get her big interview w/Ron tonight. I'll tape it on Tivo and add it to the others. I'm not all that sure NG is going to slam Ron as only NG can do. For some reason she "appears" to have a relationship w/TN(maybe playing her to get the home tour) and "appears" to dislike Crystal and especially Crystal's attorney and I have not figured out the reason why. Quess the show will give us something to look forward to tonight and something to post about tomorrow.lol What a life we have.lol..:wub:For All

I must admit I don't watch NG much these days, just don't have the stomach for it. But I have read where NG seems to be quite protective of Ronald Cummings--doesn't like to hear anyone talk about him and drugs, or him and possible involvement in Haleigh's disappearance. So, wonder if she will hold that same sentiment to him now?

[KKKKKKatie]

I must admit I don't watch NG much these days, just don't have the stomach for it. But I have read where NG seems to be quite protective of Ronald Cummings--doesn't like to hear anyone talk about him and drugs, or him and possible involvement in Haleigh's disappearance. So, wonder if she will hold that same sentiment to him now?


Morning Amy! I wasn't here much yesterday....did something new come out about Ron and drugs that I missed? TIA

[Themis]

Good Morning All,

Maybe NG will get back to her old ways tonight, beat on her desk and demand answers, we can hope so! Maybe they taped Ron (& Misty?) before they leave NY, if they have left yet.

Coffee is on!

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty
What is Nancy Grace going to get out of Ron Cummings, Patty? Other than his manta ...

I dunno know, I was at work

I dunno know, I wasn't there

Seriously [JMO]

[Amy]

snip.....
I acknowledge not seeing a happy couple at this point, but could anyone here be happy given their situation and a STILL MISSING HALEIGH? I see it more as something that needed to be done but that's just me and I certainly wouldn't want to do it under such circumstances. JMO.:crying:

We don't know if Misty lied about her age in the beginning since we have heard she wasn't living at home and moved to Ron's IIRC.

ALL JMO.

~~BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME and LET'S HOPE FOR A MIRACLE.~~:rose:

But, didn't Misti's mom, or was it Ron's mom who insisted everyone was so sad, they needed some "happiness" to come into their lives now. So, guess maybe, since the wedding didn't seem to bring happiness to anyone, they should have canceled the ceremony. I think I remember a smile on Misti's face--possibly when they were feeding each other cake, and on Ron's mom. Don't really recall seeing too many other smiles.

I just don't think I could think of arranging a wedding when my "soon to be new daughter" is missing. Now, if it was something already scheduled and ready to go, that might be a different story. But, to "decide" to ask the question, get a ring, and in a few days have the wedding up and ready to go--nope, I just think that would be something I wouldn't have the heart or energy to deal with.

[kitty1182]

But, didn't Misti's mom, or was it Ron's mom who insisted everyone was so sad, they needed some "happiness" to come into their lives now. So, guess maybe, since the wedding didn't seem to bring happiness to anyone, they should have canceled the ceremony. I think I remember a smile on Misti's face--possibly when they were feeding each other cake, and on Ron's mom. Don't really recall seeing too many other smiles.

I just don't think I could think of arranging a wedding when my "soon to be new daughter" is missing. Now, if it was something already scheduled and ready to go, that might be a different story. But, to "decide" to ask the question, get a ring, and in a few days have the wedding up and ready to go--nope, I just think that would be something I wouldn't have the heart or energy to deal with.


Winning the lottery could not even bring me happiness if my child were missing...:sad:

[Themis]

But, didn't Misti's mom, or was it Ron's mom who insisted everyone was so sad, they needed some "happiness" to come into their lives now.
<snipped>
Amy, that was Ronald Cummings' grandmother, Annette Sykes. Sykes is Haleigh's great grandmother.
Here is the link to that very short video.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133610&catid=3

Kind of sounds like she is ready to move on, too. JMO

[Themis]

Catching up on this mornings thread.

I've tried to imagine what my reaction would be if I were in Ron's place. It's close to impossible, of course because I've never experienced anything even close to this but I'm sort of empathic and can usually see another's pov.

I know I'd be devasted and scared to the point of hysteria but I'm not so sure I'd be angry. Not at first, I think the anger would come later.

For Ron, anger was his first emotion, if we are to believe that they called 911 as soon as he got home.

I'm in agreement with those that think his reactions were staged and not very genuine.
Tiffany, you and I are in agreement on your point. I thought his ranting, raving, and raging was over the top.

In the 911 tape I listened to (it may have been a shortened version) Ron did not give one piece of information to the 911 Operator. I specifically refer to the 911 operator asking for Haleigh's birth date. Misty could not give the answer. Ron wouldn't. [JMO]

[Dunlurken]

OK...Geraldo. :rolleyes: Drug dealers don't steal kids. They would've offed Ron if that was the case, imo.

I do agree that it may be someone who wanted revenge but I don't think it's necessarily drugs. I'd like to know about that fight Ron had. What was it about? It seems that it was conveniently swept under the rug by Ron and his side. Why? Was getting married to Misty an "in your face" to someone?

Not entirely true. Remember that 5 year old was taken out in California a few months ago because the GRANDFATHER was involved in drugs and owed/stole big bucks. He was a drug dealer. But, with that case, when the media got a hold of it, the kidnappers abandoned the kid on the street of LA. JMO.

Morning all!

[summer4meplz]

OT. Why are you referring to the NG show as tommorrow night? It is Mon. morning as I type...(Just curious)


it feels like a weekend still cuz it's SPRING BREAK!!!

I've never seen a more reluctant groom.....what's going on here?

Crystal sure looked nice on GR with her attorney.....I hope Children's Services gets Junior out of ron's custody asap....

[summer4meplz]

Not entirely true. Remember that 5 year old was taken out in California a few months ago because the GRANDFATHER was involved in drugs and owed/stole big bucks. He was a drug dealer. But, with that case, when the media got a hold of it, the kidnappers abandoned the kid on the street of LA. JMO.

Morning all!


was it LA or Vegas? I remember that case.....and I wondered if that is what happened here? but it's been so long....I fear little Haleigh won't be coming back....

[summer4meplz]

Tiffany, you and I are in agreement on your point. I thought his ranting, raving, and raging was over the top.

In the 911 tape I listened to (it may have been a shortened version) Ron did not give one piece of information to the 911 Operator. I specifically refer to the 911 operator asking for Haleigh's birth date. Misty could not give the answer. Ron wouldn't. [JMO]


maybe ron Couldn't cuz he didn't even remember ......

[KKKKKKatie]

I think NG see another Duckett and Lunsford father here. She really is right, a mother that loves her children will fight like he77 to keep her babies. Crystal loves her drugs more then her children. The PI needs to go to Macleanny and check out Crystal, her boyfriend and her mother. There the true answers are. Marie has had enough dealing with the law and drugs she could probably pass the bar,no pun intended, with flying colors. She is IMO a dangerous women.. She most likely flipped out when her daughter received her papers to appear in court for contempt of child support. Let's go in the right direction, WEST!!!

But no one is allowed to point a finger at Ron?? Wow!

You are doing the exact same thing that you say people are not to do about Ron. I respect that this is your opinion so why can't others have a different one and express it? Just asking....

[CANDYKISSES]

http://latino.myspace.com/robsiedel

I suppose I should have provided a link...duh!
Scroll down the page and the messages in question are on the right hand side of the page.

WOW, you do realize you're now going back to a guy who hasn't even signed into myspace since June of 2008. Maybe soon you can celebrate his anniversary of NOT SIGNING INTO A SOCIAL NETWORKING SITE IMOO. :thumbsup:

I am amazed at the lengths some posters want to take it from Teresa's words on NG which I understood perfectly well, to the wording in an article that shows she was talking about HALEIGH, to some other guy from almost a year ago that was connected to Misty....:thumbdown:

Isn't this case sad enough without trying to dig up the outsiders from times gone by?

BTW, I agree the 911 call is awful and speaks to a family in CRISIS and a lack of respect IMO. Having been married almost thirty years now and still very much in love with my spouse, I have never been spoken to by my husband like that.

However, I wish I could say the same for myself. I was hesitant about leaving our children with anyone else after the death of my grandmother (childcare live-in loved like no other), but still had a shop to run back in the early 90's. I went back re-opening a month after she passed away (VERY RELUCTANTLY) after my last difficult pregnancy that yielded a miracle baby. On the first day I returned to work, I came home to blood going up the stairs and his van in the driveway.....only hearing about an ambulance having been at my home and a note on the door saying:

"Honey, it's okay really. We are at the hospital and I will call as soon as I can. The kids are SAFE and with ME."

This was pre-cell access and I went stark raving wild with the operator at the hospital....and there were no words off limits to hubby. Our child still has a reminder scar on his face, and I know my husband is sad often by looking at him when he's not feeling well. (That's the only time you can really notice after surgery). I've always been a bit of a hothead concerning the kids myself because I was told the odds for having one child were very low. (I'm really guessing on that one.) But I couldn't have apologized more as I saw the agony on my husband's face knowing he turned his head away for a few minutes by the pool. Thankfully he is a forgiving man, as I don't know I would have put up with me during the child rearing years...

Things happen, but I would say that 911 call was a window into the soul of a hothead in the worst of circumstances. I don't think Misty and Ron will be as fortunate, but maybe they will beat the odds and get help. I'd say much of this falls on HALEIGH COMING HOME SAFE and feel it would be a MIRACLE. JMO again. :wub:

I don't see Misty and Ron making it through life together if Haleigh isn't brought back home safe.

[Dunlurken]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

I hope this works. It should be the link to Turner Syndrome. Very interesting read.

[Themis]

Thanks Themis. He not only didn't give answers, he got mad that the questions were asked. Hung up on her twice. You'd think he would understand that they have to have a detailed description of the child they are looking for. :confused:

His reactions were extremely counter-productive, imo.
Reference post 200

Of course he did, Tiffany. His mother, Teresa Neves, works for LE in Alachua County. As a dispatcher, IIRC. [JMO]

[kitty1182]

No matter how we feel, I think we should stop calling Ron a dead beat dad and Crystal a dead beat mom....

[Themis]

Not entirely true. Remember that 5 year old was taken out in California a few months ago because the GRANDFATHER was involved in drugs and owed/stole big bucks. He was a drug dealer. But, with that case, when the media got a hold of it, the kidnappers abandoned the kid on the street of LA. JMO.

Morning all!
Cole Puffinburger was kidnapped in Las Vegas where he lived.
Cole's grandfather, Clemons Fred Tinnemeyer, was arrested near Riverside, CA (south of L.A.)
Tinnemeyer was 'doing business' with a Mexican drug cartel. The cartel believed Tinnemeyer had stolen millions of dollars from them. They couldn't find him cuz he was on the run but they knew where Colin was.

Huge difference between that case and Ronald Cummings who, at best, is a wanna be thug. [JMO]

[Dunlurken]

No matter how we feel, I think we should stop calling Ron a dead beat dad and Crystal a dead beat mom....

Thank you! It would appear as though there's no new information so people are resorting to attacking both Ron and Crystal. Both may deserve the attacks, or maybe not. The point being we don't know.

Bottom line though is this. Where did Haleigh go missing from? Who was in charge of the child? Those are the people to discuss. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Cole Puffinburger was kidnapped in Las Vegas where he lived.
Cole's grandfather, Clemons Fred Tinnemeyer, was arrested near Riverside, CA (south of L.A.)
Tinnemeyer was 'doing business' with a Mexican drug cartel. The cartel believed Tinnemeyer had stolen millions of dollars from them. They couldn't find him cuz he was on the run but they knew where Colin was.

Huge difference between that case and Ronald Cummings who, at best, is a wanna be thug. [JMO]

I don't see that much of a difference. small time thugs can be just as brutal, or moreso, then big time drug cartels. JMO.

[crymeariver2006]

But no one is allowed to point a finger at Ron?? Wow!

You are doing the exact same thing that you say people are not to do about Ron. I respect that this is your opinion so why can't others have a different one and express it? Just asking....

Yes, please refer back to the list:

Crystal has no drug arrests - she is on drugs
Ron has drug arrests - he is not on drugs

Ron's last drug arrest 2001 - not relative
Marie's drug arrest 1997 - relative

Rumors concerning Crystal and/or Chad - should be believed even without proof.
Rumors concerning Ron and/or Misty - proof, links, affidavits are required.

:wink:

[KKKKKKatie]

Do you know Crystal personally? If not, then you should state that these are only your opinions, instead of presenting them as fact.

I was under the impression that is required here. Am I wrong?
You are not wrong!

Skip and scroll is your friend Tiffany :seeya:

[KKKKKKatie]

Yes, please refer back to the list:

Crystal has no drug arrests - she is on drugs
Ron has drug arrests - he is not on drugs

Ron's last drug arrest 2001 - not relative
Marie's drug arrest 1997 - relative

Rumors concerning Crystal and/or Chad - should be believed even without proof.
Rumors concerning Ron and/or Misty - proof, links, affidavits are required.

:wink:

I would just like to be allowed to be an equal opportunity basher :tonguewag:

j/k

IMO we should be allowed to look at all the players in this horrible case!

[Dunlurken]

:lol: A crucial point at that!


Sorry, couldn't help myself. I think JR, should be given back to the Mom. Because I agree with her, he is in danger. JMO. You lose one, you can certainly lose another.

ETA: Personally, I think he should be taken immediately.

[playnice]

Seriously, would anyone here feel comfortable leaving your kids or GK with Ron & Misti OR Crystal and her BF?

I wouldnt. No way. I dont think they need kids in their care until they get there lives straightened out. Both of them.

[Peaches]

I think NG see another Duckett and Lunsford father here. She really is right, a mother that loves her children will fight like he77 to keep her babies. Crystal loves her drugs more then her children. The PI needs to go to Macleanny and check out Crystal, her boyfriend and her mother. There the true answers are. Marie has had enough dealing with the law and drugs she could probably pass the bar,no pun intended, with flying colors. She is IMO a dangerous women.. She most likely flipped out when her daughter received her papers to appear in court for contempt of child support. Let's go in the right direction, WEST!!!



bam bam,

You are always right on the money when it comes to this case. moo

Can you answer.........do you know for sure............

Does Crystal live with her mother? I have read yes she does and then I have read that she had purchased a mh in her own name.....although I do not know how the payments for this is being made since she has not worked for over a year.

Also, does her bf live with his father and her mother in the mh --------as well as Crysal and their baby?

Can you clear this up for me?

I have read that also. Facts and Fiction -----------all posted here.

Help!!!

Thanks.

moo

[Dunlurken]

One thing about it, mention a gun,shooting some one and you will get the law to your house quickly, it want take them anywhere from a half hour to,if you are lucky, 2 hours. This is a rural area and most likely only had a couple of deputies on duty at 3 AM. Didn't take them long to get to him. Don't believe me. Ask other's who live in rural area's where a couple of deputies have 70 to 80 mile area to cover. Heck, sometimes they are so far apart they can't even communicate. They have to do it by using their own cell phone. I am not exaggerating.

No gun was mentioned in the 911 call. Just a threat to kill the perp if Ron found him first.

[crymeariver2006]

bam bam,

You are always right on the money when it comes to this case. moo

Can you answer.........do you know for sure............

Does Crystal live with her mother? I have read yes she does and then I have read that she had purchased a mh in her own name.....although I do not know how the payments for this is being made since she has not worked for over a year.

Also, does her bf live with his father and her mother in the mh --------as well as Crysal and their baby?

Can you clear this up for me?

I have read that also. Facts and Fiction -----------all posted here.

Help!!!

Thanks.

moo

How would bam bam know this information?

[kitty1182]

Ron is not a dead beat dad. Even the news refer to a parent that does NOT pay child support a dead beat person. Surely if the news can refer to these parents as dead beat we can here in IS.
ETA: It is OK to call a father working and raising his children a kidnapper, a child molester and other things just as bad. You can't pick and chose what you want known....:confused:

Well if you want to keep calling her a dead beat bio mom, I suggest you might want to put IMO after your post...:wink:

[CelticDawn]

You kid, right!!!! 90% of this board are accusing the father and a young women who is raising another drugged up mother's child.MOO
And.......worse, you people are defending this dead beat bio-mother.. WHY!!

That knife cuts both ways.

we....including YOU don't know crystal, Ron, Misty or their circumstances any more than what we hear through gossipmongers the media and what we get second or third hand from so-called well-meaning people with not enough to do.

Time will tell.

[Peaches]

Not missing? :confused:


Dunlurken..............if you did not feed a child for over a year, what would happen?

moo

[Former Juror]

This is not very nice, and I am admitting that from the get go. But, on Geraldo last night, Crystal at least looked like she had bathed and washed her hair. The other folks in this case? I can't say that same thing about. Seriously.

IMO

[Exiled.]

That knife cuts both ways.

we....including YOU don't know crystal, Ron, Misty or their circumstances any more than what we hear through gossipmongers the media and what we get second or third hand from so-called well-meaning people with not enough to do.

Time will tell.

Then the same should apply to George and Cindy Anthony.

[Peaches]

I would suggest you take your own advice. Crystal is a dead beat mother who was notified she would have her body in court to answer to the judge. You just can't change the truth. RIGHT!!!!


And the judge offered her 10 additional days.............she chose not to use those days to gather evidence to get her children.

It is on the link page............Court Doc...............

[CelticDawn]

Then the same should apply to George and Cindy Anthony.

wrong Forum.

buh-bye.

[Dunlurken]

Dunlurken..............if you did not feed a child for over a year, what would happen?

moo

I think I'm missing your point. Crystal did not have custody of the kids. We now know it was due to faulty notification about the custody hearing.

She did not pay her child support. Ron fed the kids. It would appear as though many were clothing the kids, not just Ron, so he wasn't doing this all by his lonesome, providing sole support.

My point is this. Crystal didn't lose her child. Ron did. Called negligence to leave two kids alone with a 17 year old child. IMO.

BIG mistake to marry Misty. HUGE MISTAKE! JMO.

[Texas48]

:tonguewag:What is Nancy Grace going to get out of Ron Cummings, Patty? Other than his manta ...

I dunno know, I was at work

I dunno know, I wasn't there

Seriously [JMO]lol Themis..Ron will have nancy pulling out PHOTOS of the twins just to fill in time.

[Dunlurken]

This is not very nice, and I am admitting that from the get go. But, on Geraldo last night, Crystal at least looked like she had bathed and washed her hair. The other folks in this case? I can't say that same thing about. Seriously.

IMO

They were busy getting married and taking their honeymoon to NYC. Life in the fast lane. LOL. JMO.

[crymeariver2006]

Some time today I will post Crystal,her boyfriend,Chad Griffis and Marie Griffis records for you. Not now because I believe I added MOO

Go ahead. And while you're at it, please explain how they relate to Haleigh's disappearance.

[Texas48]

But, didn't Misti's mom, or was it Ron's mom who insisted everyone was so sad, they needed some "happiness" to come into their lives now. So, guess maybe, since the wedding didn't seem to bring happiness to anyone, they should have canceled the ceremony. I think I remember a smile on Misti's face--possibly when they were feeding each other cake, and on Ron's mom. Don't really recall seeing too many other smiles.

I just don't think I could think of arranging a wedding when my "soon to be new daughter" is missing. Now, if it was something already scheduled and ready to go, that might be a different story. But, to "decide" to ask the question, get a ring, and in a few days have the wedding up and ready to go--nope, I just think that would be something I wouldn't have the heart or energy to deal with.
ITA Amy...Good post. As I was reading your post all that came to mind was what will they do next to Bring them some happiness..what will next week bring? Announcement of Baby on the way? Planning a baby shower? Still shaking my head. jmo

[kitty1182]

An excellent suggestion Sis, we would hate to see another poster get banned for stating something as a fact, when in reality it was only their opinion.

Correct....I've always thought you better be careful of what you post in case of slander...That is why I always put, I think, MO, IMO, or MOO after or before a post..

[Dunlurken]

I just loved it with Meredith Viera asked Misty why she had changed her story. Misty looked for an answer from Ron (he was "vacant"), so she said "I dunno"? Geez Louise. Misty is sooooooooooo child like.

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. JMO.

But her married now. Her a big grown-up! Got the diamond on her hand to prove it. :w00t:

[crymeariver2006]

I don't know, but I have a little birdie who lives in Macclenny and I will call and find out today.:wink:

IMO, your little birdie is not proof of anything.

[Texas48]

Catching up on this mornings thread.

I've tried to imagine what my reaction would be if I were in Ron's place. It's close to impossible, of course because I've never experienced anything even close to this but I'm sort of empathic and can usually see another's pov.

I know I'd be devasted and scared to the point of hysteria but I'm not so sure I'd be angry. Not at first, I think the anger would come later.

For Ron, anger was his first emotion, if we are to believe that they called 911 as soon as he got home.

I'm in agreement with those that think his reactions were staged and not very genuine.None of us know the heartacke unless we have lost a child but I know for me even the sheer thought makes me loose breath. I can ONLY quess that my first reaction would be SCARED..not ANGRY. But I will admitt that everyone acts in their own way so I really cannot judge Ron on that..lots of other things but not that. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Didn't we have birdies flying around the "other" case too?

Heh....:laugh:

[beachpatty]

What is Nancy Grace going to get out of Ron Cummings, Patty? Other than his manta ...

I dunno know, I was at work

I dunno know, I wasn't there

Seriously [JMO]


Sure that's what he says, he may well know more than that, either first hand or from Misty, maybe NG can get more out of him, if there is more. He has the "I was at work", down well, but he might know more.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[Dunlurken]

LOL, now you know The Amazing Grace only whips out the twins if someone asks. :biggrin: With a little luck, Nance will be all in a frenzy and actually ask some hard hitting questions of Ron.

1. Why did misty stroll thru the trailer to use a bathroom, when there was one right in the master bathroom?

2. Why the changing stories of who slept where?

3. What was the date the fight occurred, reminding him that his Mom said it was the day before Haleigh disappeared.


Re. #3... I missed that one.

Re. #2. No changing of the stories about who slept where, Haleigh was on the mattress on the floor because, I'm assuming, she was afraid of the dark.

Something is very wrong here. I still think Misty left the house. Propped open the screen door with a cynder block, and Haleigh was taken. By whom? I don't know. Was it planned by Misty? Maybe? JMO.

[Dunlurken]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18937076/detail.htmlhttp://www.news4jax.com/news/18937076/detail.html


Families Vacate Tents.

Poor them! That's all I have to say about that. Wonder where Ron is going to take his new bride now?

who has Jr.?

[Texas48]

I think NG see another Duckett and Lunsford father here. She really is right, a mother that loves her children will fight like he77 to keep her babies. Crystal loves her drugs more then her children. The PI needs to go to Macleanny and check out Crystal, her boyfriend and her mother. There the true answers are. Marie has had enough dealing with the law and drugs she could probably pass the bar,no pun intended, with flying colors. She is IMO a dangerous women.. She most likely flipped out when her daughter received her papers to appear in court for contempt of child support. Let's go in the right direction, WEST!!!Is there a link for ALL the information you are providing us with? just asking...

[Texas48]

maybe because his mother is a 911 operator and knows everything is recorded and was letting them know he did not give a chit........... MOOBur bam..think about this..if your child is missing or has died and you are on the phone w/911..would YOU even think about the recording? Just an honest answer will do.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Someone help me out, please...

WHEN was the last time anyone saw, actually SAW Haleigh?

I have read (secondhand here I think) that Teresa said Ron picked her up from the bus.

Is it for sure she was at school that day?

Before that, GGma Annette brought clothes to the house, the kids put their plates down and said bye. That was 2/8, yes?

[AmndaRcknwth]

I have a lot of sympathy for both sides of the family.
That said, I also think they are hiding things.

Especially Ron and Misty.

Most especially, Misty.

[Dunlurken]

Someone help me out, please...

WHEN was the last time anyone saw, actually SAW Haleigh?

I have read (secondhand here I think) that Teresa said Ron picked her up from the bus.

Is it for sure she was at school that day?

Before that, GGma Annette brought clothes to the house, the kids put their plates down and said bye. That was 2/8, yes?

She was last seen around 7:00 when someone brought clothes to the home.

Misty said she put her to bed at 8:00. That in itself doesn't make sense to me. You feed a child then put them right to bed? Nah, doesn't work for me.

Misty then says she checked on the kids at 10:00 p.m. and that's about it....... JMO.

[Texas48]

NG needs to read here before air-time if she wants a true "BOMBSHELL".
You guys are good, and she is normally days behind y'all.

As for what may have been found along the highway...could it be the "missing item" of Haleigh's TN noticed when they were allowed back in?

LE stated they 'FOUND NOTHING" which would make it about par for NG.

I can see and hear it all now..

"Bombshell"
Was a clue found along Florida highway?..... Oops. No. Sorry for the hype.."
:sneaky:
Oops...but here are new pictures of the twins.

[AmndaRcknwth]

My bold.

I didn't know for certain if it was asked about now or the past. Anyone else know??

Duh me, doneit... a few posts I read "my bold" and I wondered why you were bold, as in "my bad". ha.



OK, the drug statement was during Geraldo. When GR asked if he did drugs he denied it. GR wasn't specific, I don't think.

Obviously they have all done drugs. Some look/talk like they never stop.

[AmndaRcknwth]

She was last seen around 7:00 when someone brought clothes to the home.

Misty said she put her to bed at 8:00. That in itself doesn't make sense to me. You feed a child then put them right to bed? Nah, doesn't work for me.

Misty then says she checked on the kids at 10:00 p.m. and that's about it....... JMO.

Dun, wasn't it that granny brough clothes the day before? 2/8.

I have also read that Misty and kids were visited by her brother from Daytona on 2/9.

[crymeariver2006]

I promise it will be in documented form. How is that...

We'll all be waiting.

[summer4meplz]

An excellent suggestion Sis, we would hate to see another poster get banned for stating something as a fact, when in reality it was only their opinion.


well....depends on who the poster is :wink:

I wonder what nancy will have to say to ron tonight and if his childbride will be sitting next to him staring into space......

anyone see Kim do a fantastic smackdown on perper.......I wonder about nancy's ability to pick ppl to have on over and over...perper....lenny......

[Mimi428]

Since so many people have brought up his 'anger' issues, why is it so hard to believe that this may have been his first reaction?

I can't speak for anyone else, but speaking only for myself, I could not figure out why he did not show a sense of panic.

Cussing & fussing, telling the 911 operator he would kill someone, he didn't care if it was recorded that he would kill someone, he had a gun, he didn't care if he went to jail because jail didn't scare him. To me, there was no panic in that, it was all anger. No frantic wonderings, no hollaring & calling out for her, no shaking. He makes angry accusations towards Misty, he refers to her as his 'dumb b#tch GF' in an angry fashion. He seems totally enraged by the 911 operator's questions. He tells the police he will shoot the perp, even if the perp is sitting in the police car.

Where is the PANIC? Why is panic missing? Where is the denial, which is probably one of the most common first reactions to bad news? Where is the 'OMG no, this can't be happening, what do you MEAN she isn't here?'

I might get angry at some time later on, but I don't think I would skip the panic stage. And I sure as heck can't figure out a good reason why Ron seems to skipped the panic stage. It strikes me more as if he forgot to include the panic stage.

Did you ever hear the tape of the 911 call made by the Menendez brothers? Fake as it was, at least they had a clue to try to sound upset & panicky. Ron seems to have missed even that clue.

JMO

[kitty1182]

well....depends on who the poster is :wink:

I wonder what nancy will have to say to ron tonight and if his childbride will be sitting next to him staring into space......

anyone see Kim do a fantastic smackdown on perper.......I wonder about nancy's ability to pick ppl to have on over and over...perper....lenny......


I hope NG is tough on the questions tonight.....

[Texas48]

:confused:One thing about it, mention a gun,shooting some one and you will get the law to your house quickly, it want take them anywhere from a half hour to,if you are lucky, 2 hours. This is a rural area and most likely only had a couple of deputies on duty at 3 AM. Didn't take them long to get to him. Don't believe me. Ask other's who live in rural area's where a couple of deputies have 70 to 80 mile area to cover. Heck, sometimes they are so far apart they can't even communicate. They have to do it by using their own cell phone. I am not exaggerating.:confused:bam bam..is there more to this story?

[AmndaRcknwth]

I'm with you, Mimi.

I have a nagging suspicion that Ron is hoping to get past all this media and get to who he thinks took Haleigh.

[Dunlurken]

Dun, wasn't it that granny brough clothes the day before? 2/8.

I have also read that Misty and kids were visited by her brother from Daytona on 2/9.

I'm not sure. We have so many conflicting stories at this point. Obviously someone is trying to muddy the waters. LE is on top of it though, holding it very close to their vest. I'm expecting an arrest soon. JMO.

Maybe someone has some facts. I sure don't, and I've been following it pretty closely.

[summer4meplz]

Oops...but here are new pictures of the twins.


only because "we" keep asking for them......

thank God for nancy though....she at least keeps these stories in the news......I wish there wasn't a need for shows like nancy grace...these poor children.....

It sounds like cummings live in a "good ole boy" area.......I hope that lawyer that crystal hired is able to expose it.....

[Motomom]

I think I'm missing your point. Crystal did not have custody of the kids. We now know it was due to faulty notification about the custody hearing.

She did not pay her child support. Ron fed the kids. It would appear as though many were clothing the kids, not just Ron, so he wasn't doing this all by his lonesome, providing sole support.

My point is this. Crystal didn't lose her child. Ron did. Called negligence to leave two kids alone with a 17 year old child. IMO.

BIG mistake to marry Misty. HUGE MISTAKE! JMO.


Yes BIG mistake to marry Misty.

Glad it is just your opinion because leaving 2 children with a 17 yr old is not negligence by no stretch of the imagination IMO.

No, she didn't not pay her child support in the last year. she was paying on a wedding gown though, priorities. He was providing sole support as far as we know imo. Heck I get clothes hand me downed for my kids.. and my aunt goes and buys them clothes too sometimes, along with their grandmothers, yet my husband and myself are the sole supporters of our children.

I don't understand why we can't give credit due where it belongs. Right is right and wrong is wrong IMO

[spageddy]

I'm surprised that Ronald is appearing on NG. I just have a feeling he does not have a lot of respect for women -JMO-MOO
It will be interesting if Nancy asks him some tough questions and gets under his skin. I hope he's under estimating Miss Nancy.

[Dunlurken]

I hope NG is tough on the questions tonight.....

I don't think she's got much to work with though. Would appear as though Haleigh is going by the wayside. Totally expected by her family, me thinks. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

only because "we" keep asking for them......

thank God for nancy though....she at least keeps these stories in the news......I wish there wasn't a need for shows like nancy grace...these poor children.....

It sounds like cummings live in a "good ole boy" area.......I hope that lawyer that crystal hired is able to expose it.....

I agree. I love to see pictures of the twins.

And, yes, I thank my lucky stars for Nancy. She does a fabulous job. Wonder if Ron will be back in his home state of FLA along with his new bride whom he supposedly married to avoid statutory rape charges. You lay down in the dirt, you will get dirty. JMO.

:wub:

Haleigh didn't have a chance. JMO.

[march27]

I see people talking about Crystal purchasing a home etc etc etc...
I'm just gonna throw this out there and all is MOO yada yada.
My abusive ex ended up with my kids even though there was proof of the abuses he had committed. My ex lied like crazy to get the kids after he realized I wasn't coming back to him. He was also awarded child support and had I actually paid the man I would never have been able to afford the PI that got tons of incriminating evidence against my ex. I took it back to court demanded shared custody per MY request and on going counseling that HE had to pay for. It all worked out and I got my kids back and I was fair about it which is much more than I can say for my abusive ex.
Again, Moo.
Crystal could have purchased that home for the use of her and her children and for all we know she bought that home to prepare a stable living envirnment for her and her children...Ya think it possible? I do.

WHERE IS LITTLE HALEIGH!

I would think its possible except for the fact that her fiance has quite a past. How will that home be any more stable. Jmo Oh and I applaud what you did for your kids. That is what any good mother would do under the circumstances. You never gave up and I respect that.

[Motomom]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18937076/detail.htmlhttp://www.news4jax.com/news/18937076/detail.html


Families Vacate Tents.

I'm glad they've vacated their tents. I think they all need to go to their prospective homes and wait for Haleigh there. Crystal's baby needs her, and I'm sure Crystal needs the baby as well. Junior needs to get some normalcy back into his life well. They all need to go back to work and do what they can to find Haliegh. JMO

[Motomom]

Re. #3... I missed that one.

Re. #2. No changing of the stories about who slept where, Haleigh was on the mattress on the floor because, I'm assuming, she was afraid of the dark.

Something is very wrong here. I still think Misty left the house. Propped open the screen door with a cynder block, and Haleigh was taken. By whom? I don't know. Was it planned by Misty? Maybe? JMO.

My bolding. This is a good possibility IMO. I never thought that it was something she planned, more like something she let happen, but that's possible too.

[Motomom]

Certainly not mother of the year, but I do give her credit for being honest on national TV about her past. That couldn't have been easy and the same can't be said for Ron. He lies about things that can easily be debunked. He stated flat out that he doesn't do drugs. He must think the public is incredibly stupid, if he thinks before speaking at all.

MOO

You have proof that he does do drugs NOW? I thought Crystall didn't want to talk about her past? I mean, the past is the past right?

[Dunlurken]

I'm glad they've vacated their tents. I think they all need to go to their prospective homes and wait for Haleigh there. Crystal's baby needs her, and I'm sure Crystal needs the baby as well. Junior needs to get some normalcy back into his life well. They all need to go back to work and do what they can to find Haliegh. JMO

Was jr living in that tent? I often wondered about that. I thought he was with one of the grand parents. How COLD is that to keep a child in a tent for a month! I mean cold emotionally. No bath tub, no hot food, no TV, no bed, no normalcy. Please tell me jr wasn't living in that tent. JMO. If he was, my opinion of Ron and Misty goes even lower. JMOA.

[Motomom]

Yes BIG mistake to marry Misty.

Glad it is just your opinion because leaving 2 children with a 17 yr old is not negligence by no stretch of the imagination IMO.

No, she did not pay her child support in the last year. she was paying on a wedding gown though, priorities. He was providing sole support as far as we know imo. Heck I get clothes hand me downed for my kids.. and my aunt goes and buys them clothes too sometimes, along with their grandmothers, yet my husband and myself are the sole supporters of our children.

I don't understand why we can't give credit due where it belongs. Right is right and wrong is wrong IMO

ETA ..spelling didn't.. meant did.. I think LOL

[Former Juror]

Did anyone post the link from the investigator who confirmed Misty has not been ruled out as a suspect?

IMO

[Themis]

I'm glad they've vacated their tents. I think they all need to go to their prospective homes and wait for Haleigh there. Crystal's baby needs her, and I'm sure Crystal needs the baby as well. Junior needs to get some normalcy back into his life well. They all need to go back to work and do what they can to find Haliegh. JMO
I heartily agree with your sentiments. None of the major principals appear to be living off trust funds. Much has been given to them by strangers in the form of money and goods. I remember distinctly a couple who drove from somewhere in Georgia to deliver a hot meal to Satsuma. How nice is that!

Let LE do their job and let all those involved help LE by being fully and completely honest. [JMO]

[Dunlurken]

Did anyone post the link from the investigator who confirmed Misty has not been ruled out as a suspect?

IMO

I don't have the link. But I would assume (which you never should do), that she is the number one suspect. JMO.

Hopefully someone else has the link. TIA for anyone that has it.

[Former Juror]

I don't have the link. But I would assume (which you never should do), that she is the number one suspect. JMO.

Hopefully someone else has the link. TIA for anyone that has it.

I read it yesterday but can't find it now. I second your TIA.

[Dunlurken]

I read it yesterday but can't find it now. I second your TIA.

It's good to see some real "sleuthers" here.

I posted the widipedia link earlier to Turner Syndrome. Did you see that? Very insightful information. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

http://www.zimbio.com/Misty+Croslin/articles/27/Haleigh+Cummings+new+stepmother+not+cleared

My God, she looks 12 in that picture.

[Texas48]

.................................................. .
Quote:
Originally Posted by bam bam
I think NG see another Duckett and Lunsford father here. She really is right, a mother that loves her children will fight like he77 to keep her babies. Crystal loves her drugs more then her children. The PI needs to go to Macleanny and check out Crystal, her boyfriend and her mother. There the true answers are. Marie has had enough dealing with the law and drugs she could probably pass the bar,no pun intended, with flying colors. She is IMO a dangerous women.. She most likely flipped out when her daughter received her papers to appear in court for contempt of child support. Let's go in the right direction, WEST!!!
.................................................. ...................
I Think...
IMO
Most likely
Need anything else to prove it is a opinion of mine???? Maybe this will help.
Now where is Haleigh?????
This is not about me,it is about haleigh... Well..bam..I know I'm nit picking but you only put "I think"at 1st sentence. then went on and on about OTHER info and then "She is IMO a dangerous woman." This is just what I read though...Maybe I need to clean my glasses..lol..You are correct that this ALL ABOUT Haleigh. jmo

[Dunlurken]

http://www.zimbio.com/Misty+Croslin/articles/27/Haleigh+Cummings+new+stepmother+not+cleared
You rock!

And from your link for those not very computer literate like me:

"During the television interview, both said they had been cleared as suspects and had passed polygraph tests.

Bowling said authorities have not released results of the tests, which were given by FBI agents shortly after Haleigh vanished on Feb. 10."

JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Thirty Hours of Questioning and Still No Consistent Timeline!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133905&catid=295

Thank you! :thumbsup:

See, they can't get a straight answer out of her. Either she's brain dead, or was on drugs. It has been said (don't have a link) that she partied hard over the weekend. Haleigh went missing on Monday. Who was she partying with? JMO.

[*MoonRider*]

County Forces Haleigh's Family To Move Out

http://www.wftv.com/news/18939918/detail.html#-

[Dunlurken]

My God, she looks 12 in that picture.

She acts 12 too. Good to see you here. JMO. Let's find out what happened to this child.

[DesertStars]

Did anyone see The Today Show interview where Misty said she washed "her" blankets, that night, meaning her own and then later said "I mean our blankets and I finally got to bed at about, cant remember if she said 10:00 or 11:00 p.m.. " Seems trivial but it is what sent Jeffrey McDonald over the edge.... meaning he was a physician working double duty and was using meth. He came home and his little daughter had been sleeping next to mommy and had urinated on his side of the bed The fight escalated and, well, we know the rest. Just thought the "my blankets" and then the "uh, I mean our blankets" was somewhat of a red flag. It can't be easy for a 17 year old to deal with, and mother, a 5 year old 24-7. Strange about the time of the wedding, too. I'm just saying.

[WillowInFlight]

County Forces Haleigh's Family To Move Out

http://www.wftv.com/news/18939918/detail.html#-

Why are they not living in the house? I thought LE released it. Is Jr living in a tent too?

[Dunlurken]

County Forces Haleigh's Family To Move Out

http://www.wftv.com/news/18939918/detail.html#-


From you link:

"Ronald Cummings said he would not move back into the mobile home where Haleigh was taken from until his daughter is returned."

Who wants to bet he moves back in pronto now that the tents are gone?

Where is JR? I keep asking. Does anyone know?

[5boxersmom]

Thirty Hours of Questioning and Still No Consistent Timeline!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133905&catid=295

From the link. It says from 7pm. So who saw Haleigh at 7? GGM? Neighbor? Brother?

Didn't Misty say her brother was there from 5 to 5:30?

So it has to be the neighbor or GGM. Right?

imo

[Dunlurken]

Did anyone see The Today Show interview where Misty said she washed "her" blankets, that night, meaning her own and then later said "I mean our blankets and I finally got to bed at about, cant remember if she said 10:00 or 11:00 p.m.. " Seems trivial but it is what sent Jeffrey McDonald over the edge.... meaning he was a physician working double duty and was using meth. He came home and his little daughter had been sleeping next to mommy and had urinated on his side of the bed The fight escalated and, well, we know the rest. Just thought the "my blankets" and then the "uh, I mean our blankets" was somewhat of a red flag. It can't be easy for a 17 year old to deal with, and mother, a 5 year old 24-7. Strange about the time of the wedding, too. I'm just saying.

Important questions. I have a question too. Where are the bed clothes. Why is there no pillow case on Haleigh's pillow? Did LE take it? Evidence?

JMO.

[kitty1182]

Why are they not living in the house? I thought LE released it. Is Jr living in a tent too?

I can't understand why he isn't living there.I could see it if the child died in the house , but he doesn't know if she's dead or alive....I would want to stay right there in case someone did have her and dropped her off at the house during the night...MO

[WillowInFlight]

I can't understand why he isn't living there.I could see it if the child died in the house , but he doesn't know if she's dead or alive....I would want to stay right there in case someone did have her and dropped her off at the house during the night...MO

ITA, I keep wondering, if Misty knows more than what she's telling why LE hasn't been able to break her.

[Dunlurken]

From the link. It says from 7pm. So who saw Haleigh at 7? GGM? Neighbor? Brother?

Didn't Misty say her brother was there from 5 to 5:30?

So it has to be the neighbor or GGM. Right?

imo

Initially GGM said a "cousin" took the clothing to the home. Ron not there, at work. which is why we were speculating on the cousin. That turned out to be a dud, so we're back to square one on who took the clothing to the house. Was it for both children, or just Haleigh?

Something isn't right. JMO.

[Themis]

From you link:

"Ronald Cummings said he would not move back into the mobile home where Haleigh was taken from until his daughter is returned."

Who wants to bet he moves back in pronto now that the tents are gone?

Where is JR? I keep asking. Does anyone know?
I'll take that bet. He won't be moving back into that mobile home on Green.
Ron's mother has said he has a small amount of money for a down payment. It's my guess that when they return from NYC the newlyweds will move in temporaily with his mother, Teresa Neves, or his grandmother, Annette Sykes. Hopefully, he will return to his job, he needs one. So, my best guess is the newlyweds will spend future free time to house hunt. [JMO]

[CelticDawn]

County Forces Haleigh's Family To Move Out

http://www.wftv.com/news/18939918/detail.html#-

were they keeping the little boy JR in the tent with them?....

Was he allowed his regular visits with his Mum since Haleigh has been missing?

It just doesnt seem right that he would have to live in a tent when there was a solid house for him to be in.

[Dunlurken]

ITA, I keep wondering, if Misty knows more than what she's telling why LE hasn't been able to break her.

They can't break Casey either. Sorry for the O/T. JMO. This one may boil down to CE. Not much forensics since everyone lived in the house. If there are no unusual fingerprints, we have a green light. Misty will be charged. JMO.

[DesertStars]

I agree with you, there is more to this bed wetting incident, imo.

Jo: Hi there ! How are you? The bed wetting incident is just my theory because of what Misty said on The Today Show. Too weird to me that she talked about washing "her blankets" and then she changed it to "our blankets" and complained that she FINALLY got into bed at 10:00 or 11:00 p.m., after washing the blankets, but to me it harkened back the case of Jeffrey MacDonald when he flew into a rage about his toddler daughter wetting the bed on his side of the bed when she was sleeping with Mama and after a double shift or however many hours, he just lost it. Most 17 year olds are not equipped to be parents. None of us knows what happened, but whatever happened to this mysterious cousin of Misty's that was a supposed pedophile and they allowed him to stay there even though they had two young children? Didn't they say that he left for Tennessee? So where is the follow up on this person. Also, weird time to get married. Haleigh would have wanted it is what the media is reporting. So strange. So sad. I hope they find this sweet baby alive and well and soon.

[nanieliz]

Where did you get that idea? TN is tall, and has her own children. I do not believe she does.




Bratlings,I along with some others here thought we heard her say that in a interview. I went to see if I could find anything about her having Turners and I couldn't. I then did repost that. Wasn't trying to post something false.

Sorry EVERYONE and sorry T.N. if you are reading.

Nanieliz

[Dunlurken]

were they keeping the little boy JR in the tent with them?....

Was he allowed his regular visits with his Mum since Haleigh has been missing?

It just doesnt seem right that he would have to live in a tent when there was a solid house for him to be in.

Crystal only had weekend visitation (twice a month, I think), so he was probably living in the tent. Anyone know for sure? If that isn't neglect, I don't know what is. JMO.

[?noanswer]

I'll take that bet. He won't be moving back into that mobile home on Green.
Ron's mother has said he has a small amount of money for a down payment. It's my guess that when they return from NYC the newlyweds will move in temporaily with his mother, Teresa Neves, or his grandmother, Annette Sykes. Hopefully, he will return to his job, he needs one. So, my best guess is the newlyweds will spend future free time to house hunt. [JMO]

If RC has never owned a house before, now would be a good time to buy as there is an $8500. tax credit for first time home owners. JMO

[KatyDid]

I'll take that bet. He won't be moving back into that mobile home on Green.
Ron's mother has said he has a small amount of money for a down payment. It's my guess that when they return from NYC the newlyweds will move in temporaily with his mother, Teresa Neves, or his grandmother, Annette Sykes. Hopefully, he will return to his job, he needs one. So, my best guess is the newlyweds will spend future free time to house hunt. [JMO]

A down payment on a house? Doesn't he need a job to buy a house? The last I heard, he was no longer employed at the bridge company. A poster on the board verified it.

[WillowInFlight]

They can't break Casey either. Sorry for the O/T. JMO. This one may boil down to CE. Not much forensics since everyone lived in the house. If there are no unusual fingerprints, we have a green light. Misty will be charged. JMO.

Well IMO Misty is no Casey.

[kitty1182]

ITA, I keep wondering, if Misty knows more than what she's telling why LE hasn't been able to break her.

I have a feeling she will be questioned again when she gets back to Fla..

[*MoonRider*]

I can't understand why he isn't living there.I could see it if the child died in the house , but he doesn't know if she's dead or alive....I would want to stay right there in case someone did have her and dropped her off at the house during the night...MO

ITA Kitty.

[CelticDawn]

I think the bedwetting incident could be the key to cracking this case. My only problem is and this may sound HORRIBLE.....when was Hayleigh removed from the house?....was she alive when she was removed?........I have been HOPING that this was a scam...a semi-copycat crime to get money but the more I ehar from these interviews, the more I believe something horrible happened in that house as a result of the bedwetting.

[*MoonRider*]

A down payment on a house? Doesn't he need a job to buy a house? The last I heard, he was no longer employed at the bridge company. A poster on the board verified it.

Licensing fees :shrug:

[?noanswer]

Crystal only had weekend visitation (twice a month, I think), so he was probably living in the tent. Anyone know for sure? If that isn't neglect, I don't know what is. JMO.


I don't know if it is neglect. Some children like to live in a tent. Would be a new adventure for them. I think he was spending most of his time with family members away from the tent. I don't have a link so its JMO

[Dunlurken]

A down payment on a house? Doesn't he need a job to buy a house? The last I heard, he was no longer employed at the bridge company. A poster on the board verified it.

Kind of like the blind leading the blind. You can't buy a house if you don't have any income. Unless..... they plan to do the Anthony thing and sell pictures of little Haleigh for profit. I heard the reward is up to $35,000. That could be a down payment on a house. Wonder who "owns" that reward. JMO.

[CelticDawn]

Crystal only had weekend visitation (twice a month, I think), so he was probably living in the tent. Anyone know for sure? If that isn't neglect, I don't know what is. JMO.

with all of the public scrutiny it seems like if crystal had a home for JR and not a tent and she was being watched pretty much all of the time, he should have been with her.....IMO ....It just doesnt seem right to have him there if there was an alternative.

[Babes]

I can't understand why he isn't living there.I could see it if the child died in the house , but he doesn't know if she's dead or alive....I would want to stay right there in case someone did have her and dropped her off at the house during the night...MO

Hi Kitty - this is what am thinking too...

[IlliniFan]

Crystal only had weekend visitation (twice a month, I think), so he was probably living in the tent. Anyone know for sure? If that isn't neglect, I don't know what is. JMO.


Maybe Ron was actually spending the night in the tent. I suspect either Teresa Neves and/or Great Grandma was taking care of jr. at night.....I think both of these women probably had a major role in raising both jr. and Haleigh. Just a guess, but I bet jr was with one of them...imo

[?noanswer]

Kind of like the blind leading the blind. You can't buy a house if you don't have any income. Unless..... they plan to do the Anthony thing and sell pictures of little Haleigh for profit. I heard the reward is up to $35,000. That could be a down payment on a house. Wonder who "owns" that reward. JMO.

There really is no money to own. These organizations have put up reward money for the return of Haleigh. I think one even says it is for a lead and conviction of the person responsible. If none of these events happen, then the money will go back to whomever pledged the money. JMO

[Casecase]

Crystal only had weekend visitation (twice a month, I think), so he was probably living in the tent. Anyone know for sure? If that isn't neglect, I don't know what is. JMO.


In my opinion, staying in a tent for a month isn't neglect. Some people actually spend time in tents for fun, for longer than just a weekend, when they go camping. I don't understand the appeal of it myself, but to each their own.

And if I legitimately thought my child had been stolen out of my home, and I had another child . . . I could seeing being leery of living there again.


IMO

[Dunlurken]

I don't know if it is neglect. Some children like to live in a tent. Would be a new adventure for them. I think he was spending most of his time with family members away from the tent. I don't have a link so its JMO

Not an adventure when someone recently stole your "sissy". JMO though.

[Babes]

Maybe Ron was actually spending the night in the tent. I suspect either Teresa Neves and/or Great Grandma was taking care of jr. at night.....I think both of these women probably had a major role in raising both jr. and Haleigh. Just a guess, but I bet jr was with one of them...imo


Hmmm why would they have to spend night on the tent when Teresa and grandma have their house nearby? Why cant they stay there for the meantime instead of staying in the tent? I dont get it. What are they trying to show people by staying on the tent?

[?noanswer]

Hmmm why would they have to spend night on the tent when Teresa and grandma have their house nearby? Why cant they stay there for the meantime instead of staying in the tent? I dont get it. What are they trying to show people by staying on the tent?

I though someone provided both Ron and Crystal with trailers to live in. I think the tents were mostly for people to stay during the day. JMO

[?noanswer]

What does happen to the reward in a case lke this, does anyone know? I mean, if no one can claim it.

It reverts back to the people who pledged it. JMO

[Dunlurken]

Hmmm why would they have to spend night on the tent when Teresa and grandma have their house nearby? Why cant they stay there for the meantime instead of staying in the tent? I dont get it. What are they trying to show people by staying on the tent?

Beats the he!! out of me. Jr. should have been back in his own bed, if he had one, and Ron should have had enough backbone to comfort his remaining child and prove to Jr. that no one can just "steal you". JMO.

Ron is a wind bag. JMO.

[Motomom]

I heartily agree with your sentiments. None of the major principals appear to be living off trust funds. Much has been given to them by strangers in the form of money and goods. I remember distinctly a couple who drove from somewhere in Georgia to deliver a hot meal to Satsuma. How nice is that!

Let LE do their job and let all those involved help LE by being fully and completely honest. [JMO]

Absolutely Themis. Whoever has done this, will be caught, whether it be a SO, a payback, or the family themselves..they will get what is coming to them IMO.

[Babes]

I though someone provided both Ron and Crystal with trailers to live in. I think the tents were mostly for people to stay during the day. JMO

if people are just staying there during the day then there will be no more issues on it's removal.

[IlliniFan]

Hmmm why would they have to spend night on the tent when Teresa and grandma have their house nearby? Why cant they stay there for the meantime instead of staying in the tent? I dont get it. What are they trying to show people by staying on the tent?

Well, it was sort of a place for family members and friends to gather in the location of the MH in the first weeks of Haleigh's disappearance...


Crystal and her family had a tent as well....

I imagine TN, Grandma and Jr. did not sleep in the tent. Ron might have spent the night there.

[?noanswer]

if people are just staying there during the day then there will be no more issues on it's removal.


That is correct. They were also holding vigils there. IIRC they have found another location for the vigils. JMO

[Motomom]

My God, she looks 12 in that picture.

I'm LOL cause when My husband saw her on the today show he said she looked eleventeen LOL

I think she does look young..looks can be deceiving. In all of her pictures that were posted yesterday, she looks the same as now though, that she doesn't appear to have aged at all.. i mean not aged like a ..ok never mind..she doesn't have a mature look to her is what I mean..

[Babes]

Beats the he!! out of me. Jr. should have been back in his own bed, if he had one, and Ron should have had enough backbone to comfort his remaining child and prove to Jr. that no one can just "steal you". JMO.

Ron is a wind bag. JMO.

Right. I dont see anything wrong why they cant come back on that mobile home... not unless of course he didnt pay it's rental then he has no place to go back but he should think of this first before marrying another woman and flying to NY.

[Dunlurken]

What does happen to the reward in a case lke this, does anyone know? I mean, if no one can claim it.

It belongs to the custodial parent. AKA Ron. And now Misty since she's the wife.

Actually, it depends to who has control of the reward. We don't know if it's LE or Ron. JMO.

[IlliniFan]

if people are just staying there during the day then there will be no more issues on it's removal.



The Sheffield's had a tent also. The were spending the night in a room/house they had rented until they ran out of cash.

Both sides of the family were asked to leave. IIRC it had to do with some ordiance about a tent in the trailer park...
imo

[Motomom]

Thirty Hours of Questioning and Still No Consistent Timeline!

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133905&catid=295

Wow..30 hours. I am really curious as to what specifics they are talking about with her inconsistencies. Not what she's said on tv..but what she has said to them. I wonder if she is SILL changing things a bit.

[?noanswer]

It belongs to the custodial parent. AKA Ron. And now Misty since she's the wife.

Actually, it depends to who has control of the reward. We don't know if it's LE or Ron. JMO.

Neither LE nor Ron. It belongs to the people/organization that pledged. If no one meets the requirements that they have placed, then it will revert back to the people/organization. JMO

[Babes]

Well, it was sort of a place for family members and friends to gather in the location of the MH in the first weeks of Haleigh's disappearance...


Crystal and her family had a tent as well....

I imagine TN, Grandma and Jr. did not sleep in the tent. Ron might have spent the night there.

If there is a church nearby then they can ask the priest to use it as a meeting place maybe...Is there any 3rd party charity organizations trying to help this family sort things out?

[Motomom]

You rock!

And from your link for those not very computer literate like me:

"During the television interview, both said they had been cleared as suspects and had passed polygraph tests.

Bowling said authorities have not released results of the tests, which were given by FBI agents shortly after Haleigh vanished on Feb. 10."

JMO.

That's weird about the polygraphs. Why won't they release whether they have passed or failed? I think the polygrapher did tell them they passed, or did ok or whatever term they used. Crystal said the same thing, that she believes she passed by what the examiner told her..I don't know.. why would all 3 assume that if nothing was said to them?

[Babes]

The Sheffield's had a tent also. The were spending the night in a room/house they had rented until they ran out of cash.

Both sides of the family were asked to leave. IIRC it had to do with some ordiance about a tent in the trailer park...
imo

I heard Sheffield's atty is making arrangement's for them to stay in a place ( not in the tent ) .

What happen to that?

[Dunlurken]

That is an understatement!
Jr. should have been in his own bed. Trying to maintain a normal life style. However, let me add, that the trailer was locked down as a crime scene for quite some time. But was released last week I think.

See, I'm thinking like Crystal. (That's a scarey thought.) Jr. needs to get some normalcy in his life. Take him back into the house quietly. Hold him during the night and assure him he will not be taken. JMO. No boogey man will get him. Poor kid must be totally traumatized.

Where's Haleigh? JMO.

[Motomom]

were they keeping the little boy JR in the tent with them?....

Was he allowed his regular visits with his Mum since Haleigh has been missing?

It just doesnt seem right that he would have to live in a tent when there was a solid house for him to be in.

I believe someone had donated a camper for them to stay in. I remember Theresa saying that ron and Junior were spending time together in there and I'm gonna assume maybe sleep in there?

[Babes]

I think after 30 hours they should have been able to decipher whether she is just too immature to recall the details or if she is blatantly being inconsistent.


LOL bratlings - 30 hours is too long!!!! Dont you think?