Saturday 3/14 Hope for haleigh

[?noanswer]

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252

Has a recap thru 2-26. JMO

[sunstar]

How do you feel about them buying a flower girl dress for Haleigh?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29658425/

I don't think that's odd, but why go ahead with the wedding if you're still hopeful she'll be coming home? I know they said they'd have a larger, 2nd wedding, but still ~ why not just wait? I'd still like to know what the rush was with the engagement on Monday and wedding on Thursday. :sneaky: MOO

[playnice]

I have no clue, I never said anything about it.

OK.Thanks Sam.

[sunstar]

At 5 years old I dont know if her thinking skills would have been developed to even think of doing that.

I don't either and then there's the matter of her even being able to lift that block. Definitely an adult (or should I say, 'bigger person') did that! :wink:

[kitty1182]

But, dont you think, Tree, that there were already suspicions within the paternal family?
Wouldn't people with commmon sense think something was mighty odd about the fact that Misty was being brought in by LE over and over and over ... 6 times at my last count. [JMO]

I would think it very odd....

[Mamie]

I believe if you look at the photo where Ron & Haleigh are brushing their teeth, the tattoo 'TERESA' is not on his chest at that time. So I'm thinking the 'TERESA' tattoo is somewhat recent.

We have heard that he was involved with & had a child with a girl named Amber. He & Misty have been together around 6-7 months now.

We know Ron has a sister named Crystal & he obviously has children by a young woman who is also named Crystal. If he has had a GF by the name of Teresa, that is just getting too weird for me. Especially since the way his mother spells her name is the variant, not the typical spelling.

But if y'all want to believe that tattoo on his chest is for some other GF somewhere, go for it.

JMO


What was the child he had by Amber-----a girl? If it was a girl, maybe they decided to name her after his mother, therefore spelling the name the same way.

[playnice]

I don't think that's odd, but why go ahead with the wedding if you're still hopeful she'll be coming home? I know they said they'd have a larger, 2nd wedding, but still ~ why not just wait? I'd still like to know what the rush was with the engagement on Monday and wedding on Thursday. :sneaky: MOO

Because there is a reason for this wedding that we dont know about and its got nothing to do with what Haleigh wanted. jmo

[Mimi428]

Ive googled about the tattoo and Teresa in New York and I cant find the articles either.:scared:

Here is a still shot of a YouTube video - notice that running across the top is the caption "Haleigh Cummings Father Gets Tattoo of Missing Daughter".


http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings%20MP%20case/020.jpg

As for Teresa being on the honeymoon in NY, I did not see nor did I heard that on the news - but I have read several comments from others stating they heard it reported on one of the news stations - I believe it was HLN, but can't swear to it. As you know, HLN does not have transcripts of their regular broadcasts the way they have transcripts for NG, so this may be one of those things that will have to be accepted or rejected by each individual.

JMO

[playnice]

After watching the very forst news interview and his tears I truly dont think he has anything to do with it, but you have to consider..those tears could also be for something that had happened, maybe he feels its his fault if someone he pissed off did it or if he owed someone money. But I honestly dont think he knows anything, he did pass the poly right???

LE said no one has been told they passed.

[Mimi428]

What was the child he had by Amber-----a girl? If it was a girl, maybe they decided to name her after his mother, therefore spelling the name the same way.

A baby boy named Jordan, IIRC.

[odyssey]

Terrible! OMG My mother inlaw once told me . Now thats your double first cousins. I was like what! What in the hey does double first cousins mean? just think about it! Yikes:ohmy: JMO

Double first cousins involve two different families .. that's like two sisters from one family marrying two brothers from another family .. their kids are double first cousins. So that is two different families involved.

In the case of the Griffis family, it is one family. The elder Griffis have a nine year old who is half brother both to Chad and Crystal by blood. That makes their daughter his double niece by blood whether marriage occurs or not.

[KatyDid]

Eyes For Lies Discusses the Tattoo

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/my-thoughts-about-tattoo.html

Very interesting, IMO. Thank you for posting it Swarovski!!

[playnice]

I would be asking her over and over how things happened until she threw up from the dizziness of talking in circles.

Well if Teresa really did go to NY with them and they have heard what LE has had to say it could be happening as we type. She is far away with them and at their mercy.

[Mamie]

A baby boy named Jordan, IIRC.


Oh. Well........that takes care of that, doesn't it. She had a boy just to prove my theory all wet!

[odyssey]

Sorry they were working try pasteing them in your browser.
They may have deleted them but let me go check and see if i can bring them up again sorry didnt mean to post something that maybe has been deleted.

sorry you did not copy the whole address .. you did a copy and paste and it picked up the elipsis. to copy them from another post you have to right click on the link and choose 'copy the link address' or words to that effect and then paste them. Hope that helps.

jmoo

[sunstar]

Because there is a reason for this wedding that we dont know about and its got nothing to do with what Haleigh wanted. jmo

Exactly. :wink:

[Mamie]

I think Mamie was quoting what Ronald called Misty on the 911 call?

Oh you mean the other poster I was posting to, called Misty that, just referring to what he called her in the background on the 9-1-1 call? If so, I didn't get that when I first read their post. Thanks!!

[playnice]

Crystal's lawyer is accussing Ronald of abuse.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120088

Dont know if its true or not. But it bugs me if there was crediable evidence that people were witnessing it and not one damn person came forward or reported it. If this ends up being true shame on them and maybe Haleigh would be alive if they hadnt turned their head and looked away.:cursing:

[playnice]

Oh. Well........that takes care of that, doesn't it. She had a boy just to prove my theory all wet!

:biggrin::biggrin:

[Mamie]

After watching the very forst news interview and his tears I truly dont think he has anything to do with it, but you have to consider..those tears could also be for something that had happened, maybe he feels its his fault if someone he pissed off did it or if he owed someone money. But I honestly dont think he knows anything, he did pass the poly right???

It is assumed that he passed because LE says they are satisfied with their interviews with him covering the hours in question----BUT----LE has NOT said that anyone has passed or failed. As far as I know.

[playnice]

Im so exhausted by this case, I honestly cant wait to google her name and see the healine of her found, honestly I want her to be safe but If she is found dead or alive I wont have to worry and feel nauseous whenever I think about it anymore.

The problem with this case is there are lots of suspects. Just got to find the right perp. It is exhausting.

[kitty1182]

You know if they do find out that Misty had something to do with it they are going to have a hard time getting her to the prison before someone tries to bring their own means of justice.

That's what I worry about..If Ron found out she had something to do with her being gone, he would probally go off the deep end and hurt her...
Not that I would blame him..

[Mimi428]

Crystal's lawyer is accussing Ronald of abuse.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120088

Here is a link to the original article on WESH -

http://www.wesh.com/news/18915114/detail.html

Picazio said she has talked with the Putnam County victim's advocate about the evidence she has received about Haleigh and her brother, Ronald Jr. An attempt to get a comment from the Florida Department of Children & Families was unsuccessful on Friday.

Evidence she has received...Wonder what that means? Sounds like something more substantial than just hearing a story from this source or a rumor from that person, etc.

JMO

[playnice]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d14-Misty-Cummings-not-cleared-as-suspect-in-Haleighs-disappearance


Misty only responded with, “I would really appreciate it if you people would stop calling me.”


LE turn up the heat and she doesnt want to talk to reporters now. Interesting isnt it because she loved the media attention about the proposal and engagement. She was on cloud nine.

[playnice]

Here is a link to the original article on WESH -

http://www.wesh.com/news/18915114/detail.html

Picazio said she has talked with the Putnam County victim's advocate about the evidence she has received about Haleigh and her brother, Ronald Jr. An attempt to get a comment from the Florida Department of Children & Families was unsuccessful on Friday.

Evidence she has received...Wonder what that means? Sounds like something more substantial than just hearing a story from this source or a rumor from that person, etc.

JMO

Could it be that picture that Geraldo showed?

[kitty1182]

Misty only responded with, “I would really appreciate it if you people would stop calling me.”


LE turn up the heat and she doesnt want to talk to reporters now. Interesting isnt it because she loved the media attention about the proposal and engagement. She was on cloud nine.

She reminds me more and more each day of Casey..imo

[kitty1182]

Could it be that picture that Geraldo showed?

I never got to see the pic..Is it still around?

[playnice]

She reminds me more and more each day of Casey..imo

She does Kitty. I never suspected her until recently. I thought it was her age and not being educated because she isnt as articulate as Casey. But we also see a cockiness coming out that we didnt see until recently.

[jewel6]

4000.00 in arears .Shes not crediable in my eyes. This whole thing is a fiasco!!!! JMO

[Santa'sMom]

Yes you certainly are missing something SantasMom.......You need to reread my post!! I NEVER said anything wrong about Teresa and I do not know how you could possibly think I did. I if anything, praised the efforts of Teresa compared to those of Misty. I said because of this
it has to grate on Teresa's nerves the man-hours Misty has wasted.

PLEASE READ MY POST AGAIN!!
Here it is......

I just wanted to drive home the fact that the show could be explained away as nerves or such. But the LE announcement has got to be a bone of contention between Misty and her new in/laws. Mother Teresa has been in the spotlight since day 1 working overtime to do interviews and painful house tours. It has to grate on her nerves to now know that Misty has wasted 4 weeks of LE man-hours on a sack of lies.
Someone over there is about to blow a fuse.day 1 working overtime to do interviews and painful house tours. It has to grate on her nerves to now know that Misty has wasted 4 weeks of LE man-hours on a sack of lies.
Someone over there is about to blow a fuse.

Tree, Please forgive me. I love your posts and that was why I was asking. I read "Mother Teresa" as being sarcastic. My very, very bad. I thought you were saying that she comes across to you as being an overbearing type of mom, in the middle of everything involving her son, etc. Does that make sense? I honestly meant no harm.

[sunstar]

Thanks for the eyesforlies link Swar. Did you read her take on the Today show interview? It was a very good read. http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html

moo
thanks so much for posting it! This is the part I'm confused by too, and obviously so was the writer:

Vieira: Is there anything else you would like to say in case somebody is out there who might know something?

Ronald: Ummm.... if you (smirking) know something (looking up thinking), please call the crime stoppers....or....the....any local sheriffs office...and....if my little girl is watching, baby, I love you.

Do you notice how Ron has to think to do what is important for his daughter? It's mind blowing! Notice how he doesn't talk to the camera, that he only glances at it? This is indicative that he doesn't believe she is out there listening. He also has no genuine inflection in his voice. He is monotone every time he talks to Haleigh. Why does he smirk again?

And this was supposed to be the purpose of the trip to NY, to get the focus back on Haleigh? :confused: MOO

[KatyDid]

Thanks for the eyesforlies link Swar. Did you read her take on the Today show interview? It was a very good read. http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html

moo

I am still on her site reading. It is fascinating to read how she reads each expression....fascinating...imo.

[sunstar]

She reminds me more and more each day of Casey..imo

That part came out to me too when she was talking about walking out of the interview with LE because this "new guy was rude". I could just see Casey saying the same thing. :scared:

[playnice]

Haleigh's Mother's attorney gives first local interview. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133703&catid=3

After working on the Haleigh Cummings case for only a few days, Picazio said people from all over Putnam county have called her and her staff with concerns about the safety and home life inside Haleigh's home while Haleigh was there and for her little brother now.Again this is disturbing. Why werent these people calling DCF instead of waiting for a high profile case and a fancy attorney to come in ?
If anything turns out to be true this is so disturbing that Haleigh didnt have to go missing.:sad:


And they have had how many years?

[Mamie]

Here is a link to the original article on WESH -

http://www.wesh.com/news/18915114/detail.html

Picazio said she has talked with the Putnam County victim's advocate about the evidence she has received about Haleigh and her brother, Ronald Jr. An attempt to get a comment from the Florida Department of Children & Families was unsuccessful on Friday.

Evidence she has received...Wonder what that means? Sounds like something more substantial than just hearing a story from this source or a rumor from that person, etc.

JMO

It could only be a picture, if there is one, right? I mean evidence usually means something tangible, but not always, I guess. JMO

[Mimi428]

Haleigh's Mother's attorney gives first local interview. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133703&catid=3

Thanks for that link - much appreciated.

I was horrified to read this part...

After working on the Haleigh Cummings case for only a few days, Picazio said people from all over Putnam county have called her and her staff with concerns about the safety and home life inside Haleigh's home while Haleigh was there and for her little brother now.

People from ALL OVER Putnam county? This is not good. I hope the PI will be able to get some concrete info out of some of these folks. He isn't LE so they should be assured that if they were involved with things like doing drugs with Misty or Ron it is safe to tell him. He wouldn't be arresting them.

JMO

[kitty1182]

It could only be a picture, if there is one, right? I mean evidence usually means something tangible, but not always, I guess. JMO

Seems that someone on tv showed a pic but I didn't get to see it...:confused:

[Santa'sMom]

Does anyone know how well they searched the water near the home?

They used boats, cadaver dogs, sonar, and, I believe, infrared. I believe they performed a pretty good search. TES was there and I'm sure they searched the water too. That's not to say that she couldn't have been in there but I think that a thorough job was done. When it comes to a missing child, it is my belief that LE goes over and above the call of duty.

[playnice]

Thanks for that link - much appreciated.

I was horrified to read this part...

After working on the Haleigh Cummings case for only a few days, Picazio said people from all over Putnam county have called her and her staff with concerns about the safety and home life inside Haleigh's home while Haleigh was there and for her little brother now.

People from ALL OVER Putnam county? This is not good. I hope the PI will be able to get some concrete info out of some of these folks. He isn't LE so they should be assured that if they were involved with things like doing drugs with Misty or Ron it is safe to tell him. He wouldn't be arresting them.

JMO


People from ALL OVER Putnam county have been sitting on their arzes for 3 years and allowing those kids to be abused? :cursing:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Crystal's lawyer is accussing Ronald of abuse.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120088

Is that why CPS was involved in the home?

LE can make CPS turn over all their information, right?

[playnice]

Is that why CPS was involved in the home?

LE can make CPS turn over all their information, right?

I believe so.

[kitty1182]

Is that why CPS was involved in the home?

LE can make CPS turn over all their information, right?

I think so..

[jewel6]

I believe so.

The dad still had custody! So what was CPS hiding? I say nothing! JMO

[playnice]

The dad still had custody! So what was CPS hiding? I say nothing! JMO

They were :scared:of Ron too?

[jewel6]

Crystal didnt want the children from the beginning. JMO She went on to have another and never paid her support. Now shes gonna make a stink! JMO This whole thing with everyone is awful! JMO

[jewel6]

They were :scared:of Ron too?

HA! im not scared of him! jmo :scared:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Thanks for the eyesforlies link Swar. Did you read her take on the Today show interview? It was a very good read. http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/03/ronald-misty-onthe-today-show.html

moo

Thanks for that link!

Just read it .. although I am surprised she did not mention his left shifting eyes there at the end, something almost everyone noticed and it is a classic sign of lying ... and uncontrollable by most accounts

Also, I must note that her sentence ... However, Kosinski also reported that the police "...are satisfied that Ronald doesn't really know what happened to his little girl." was not exactly what was said by LE yesterday


I understood they are satisfied with his account for the eight hours or something like that ... (need to find the LE article from yesterday)

But regardless, it is two different things

[sunstar]

Ahh yes, the focus to get back onto Haleigh. Meanwhile, their wedding ceremony (despite the camera videotaping) is void of anything to do with Haleigh. At the Today show interview, Ron opts to wear his striped shirt, no Haleigh shirt at all and Misty's is covered mainly by her jacket. And don't put any information up on the back of your truck regarding Haleigh, rather focus on yourself again and put "Only God can judge me" Hmmm, where should we be shifting the focus again Ronnie?

moo
And don't forget the photos from the restaurant when he proposed to Misty being released to the media. It seems he loves the attention. MOO

[playnice]

That's not to say there wasn't anything substantial, imo. There are many cases CPS has overlooked or has missed important information on, hopefully they are working with le to determine who the best caretaker will be in the future. He!! would freeze over before I'd let my child go back to full time living arrangements with the woman/child who was responsible for not waking up when Haleigh was taken, jmo though.

I really think Jr needs to be removed and Haleigh if she comes back alive and both parents ordered to undergo some mental health therapy and parenting classes. I dont think either parent needs kids until they get their act together.

[Beth Englema]

it has to be a picture, but bruises on kids...thats a normal occurrence, they cant prove it was from Ron hitting them.Ron stated on camera that he hit Haleigh but only on her bottom which was OK by Social Services. I say hogwash, that baby shouldn't have been hit anywhere on her little frail body!

[TaraCrazyHair]

obviously CPS didnt have anything substantial or they would have removed the children from Ronald's care.

Not necessarily

Also, I wonder if CPS in Florida is like CPS here ... they actually call and tell you they are coming here

Seems to me if they are called to investigate a complaint or concern, they would show up unannounced

Didn't somebody say that CPS was just in the home the week she went missing?

[jewel6]

And don't forget the photos from the restaurant when he proposed to Misty being released to the media. It seems he loves the attention. MOO
Misty seemed so happy! They looked awful on the today show! yikes! Was that rons moms ring? That he proposed with? JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Well if Teresa really did go to NY with them and they have heard what LE has had to say it could be happening as we type. She is far away with them and at their mercy.


Why would Theresa go with them on their honeymoon??

:confused:

[TaraCrazyHair]

it has to be a picture, but bruises on kids...thats a normal occurrence, they cant prove it was from Ron hitting them.


Depends on where the bruises are I would think

[Babes]

The problem with this case is there are lots of suspects. Just got to find the right perp. It is exhausting.


agree... agree... in this case - there are many possible suspects. Both side of the families, neighbors, friends, relatives , parents... and i do believe that LE can solve this by putting them in a trick and one of them will start talking...

[jewel6]

Why would Theresa go with them on their honeymoon??

:confused:

TO control Ron? :ohmy: jmo

[playnice]

Why would Theresa go with them on their honeymoon??

:confused:

I do not know and do not know that she did. Thats why I sad if. Posters are saying she did.

[Babes]

ITA. Though I do have to say I see Crystal making more positive changes than Ron. Someone has to step up and be the hero here.

We just also have to understand that there is money, rewards, donations involved IMO... if that can change people then am wondering for how long... i just wish that somebody else outside of this family will just take care of Junior... IMO

[KatyDid]

I am still at this site reading. I keep clicking through to more of this person's observations throughout this case.

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of a room full of people? Let's say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn't open it, and couldn't reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?

What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.


A lot of the same questions I have about a stranger coming into the house.

[playnice]

LOL playnice

Clint is always quite perceptive, I love to read his articles. Did you read the four ways this could have happened? Which one do you think is the most plausable?

I dont know. This case is so confusing because I still see alot of suspects. I dont agree with him about the spouse privilage tho.

[sunstar]

Misty seemed so happy! They looked awful on the today show! yikes! Was that rons moms ring? That he proposed with? JMO

I think it was his grandmothers, but I'm not sure. She even looked happy at the wedding eating the cake, but yesterday definitely seemed nervous until she got to speak out about the rude cop questioning her. :biggrin:

[Babes]

And don't forget the photos from the restaurant when he proposed to Misty being released to the media. It seems he loves the attention. MOO


IMO he's an idiot. He's telling the media to focus the story on Haleigh but he's the one making the scene... I felt so bad that Haleigh cant choose her parents IMO.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Oh I know Nancy's rep very well...Don't get me started on her...LOL
I was just very surprised she was so sympathetic of Ron...She is never that way. I usually don't watch her but it is everyone here on this board's fault...after reading here I just couldn't wait to hear what she had to say. I have to say I was shocked!:wink:


Nancy Grace is a strange one ...


I have not even seen her discuss this and seems I missed the one time she did .. sheesh

But I do remember how she was always about eye movements and body language so why did she not have a heyday with these two after yesterday morning?

[playnice]

We just also have to understand that there is money, rewards, donations involved IMO... if that can change people then am wondering for how long... i just wish that somebody else outside of this family will just take care of Junior... IMO

ITA. :sad:

[kitty1182]

I think it was his grandmothers, but I'm not sure. She even looked happy at the wedding eating the cake, but yesterday definitely seemed nervous until she got to speak out about the rude cop questioning her. :biggrin:

Cop thought she was lying..Why the nerve of him...:glare:

[Babes]

Why would Theresa go with them on their honeymoon??

:confused:

To see NY and she wants to feel how it is to be pampered in a first class hotel courtesy of Today's Show IMO.
She'll probably the next guest in their next show.

[sunstar]

I am still at this site reading. I keep clicking through to more of this person's observations throughout this case.

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of a room full of people? Let's say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn't open it, and couldn't reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?

What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.


A lot of the same questions I have about a stranger coming into the house.

Me too, and not to mention the part about changing Haleigh's shirt too and putting the one she had on in the laundry pile. No way! :sneaky: MOO

[sunstar]

Cop thought she was lying..Why the nerve of him...:glare:

He must be related to those bad cops that questioned Casey and didn't buy her story either! :laugh: MOO

[playnice]

Cop thought she was lying..Why the nerve of him...:glare:

Im waiting for her to say "If they dont find her they will pin this on me."

[jewel6]

I am still at this site reading. I keep clicking through to more of this person's observations throughout this case.

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of a room full of people? Let's say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn't open it, and couldn't reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?

What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.


A lot of the same questions I have about a stranger coming into the house.

In my own opinion. I Think Misty accidently invited this person in! JMO! I think it involved partying! Why has her parents and sibling not made theirselves known? jmo? another theory! JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I am still at this site reading. I keep clicking through to more of this person's observations throughout this case.

http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html

What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of a room full of people? Let's say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn't open it, and couldn't reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?

What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.


A lot of the same questions I have about a stranger coming into the house.

Ahhhh thank you for reminding me about I question I have wanted to ask ... !

Ron stated he locked the doors before he left for work .. something he always does

Did he leave for work before the visitors that night?

If so, then the door or doors would have been unlocked?

So what did he mean by he locked them ?

[TaraCrazyHair]

I do not know and do not know that she did. Thats why I sad if. Posters are saying she did.



Okaaaay!

Because IF she did go with them, I would be scratching my head even more!

[playnice]

agree... agree... in this case - there are many possible suspects. Both side of the families, neighbors, friends, relatives , parents... and i do believe that LE can solve this by putting them in a trick and one of them will start talking...

Add 45 RSO and a missing SO that has family in that area. Whew. I dont envy LE for having to wade through this mess.

[playnice]

What a difference a marriage proposal makes. This was Misty three weeks ago.


http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

from the looks of her on The today show I think the honeymoon is probably over. I cant wait to see how she arrives back home.

[Babes]

Add 45 RSO and a missing SO that has family in that area. Whew. I dont envy LE for having to wade through this mess.

yes but one woman is full of inconsistencies and all she can offer afterwards is " i dont know" - i do think that is unacceptable... and yet she was awarded by the father of missing person a marriage proposal..... i cant believe it... nancy grace needed to have a one on one with this woman.. IMO.

[Beth Englema]

In my own opinion. I Think Misty accidently invited this person in! JMO! I think it involved partying! Why has her parents and sibling not made theirselves known? jmo? another theory! JMOYes, but what KIND of party were they having that resulted in Haleigh's disappearance. Was it to keep her quiet as to what was done at that party? Done to Haleigh?

[playnice]

While I was looking for other post I come across this one. Has anyone attempted to get more information on this guy? He needs to be discussed

HE is scary looking. One thing Ive noticed about all of them. Their eyes dont look right.

[playnice]

yes but one woman is full of inconsistencies and all she can offer afterwards is " i dont know" - i do think that is unacceptable... and yet she was awarded by the father of missing person a marriage proposal..... i cant believe it... nancy grace needed to have a one on one with this woman.. IMO.

I know. Misti is looking more suspicious by the day and also looking like LE suspect I think.

[Babes]

Did LE ever mention on who made the tip regarding that Misty is out partying that night our baby girl, Haleigh vanished?

[playnice]

OMG! this guy moved out of state a few days ago, how weird is that???

I hope LE is also checking into him. No stones unturned.

[jewel6]

Yes, but what KIND of party were they having that resulted in Haleigh's disappearance. Was it to keep her quiet as to what was done at that party? Done to Haleigh?

I was just thinking maybe a dope party and she happened to have one of the 44 sex offenders in the neighborhood and she didnt know? just a thought! JMO :sad:

[TaraCrazyHair]

What a difference a marriage proposal makes. This was Misty three weeks ago.


http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html


What was the date of that video ?

Also, what about the back door being open made her run to check Haleigh?

Ron could have came home from work early

Why not check on Jr?

Why was her immediate thought to check on Haleigh?

Very interesting!!

[playnice]

Did LE ever mention on who made the tip regarding that Misty is out partying that night our baby girl, Haleigh vanished?

I dont think so. They havent said much at all until yesterday and today.

[Babes]

I know. Misti is looking more suspicious by the day and also looking like LE suspect I think.

Ived read on one article that Misty was abused by his cousin. I dont know who is this cousin.... ( Could it be Joe? )

[playnice]

I was just thinking maybe a dope party and she happened to have one of the 44 sex offenders in the neighborhood and she didnt know? just a thought! JMO :sad:

SO is still a possibility if she was passed out or wasnt even there.

Thats why LE believe if Misti would tell the truth they would be able to find Haleigh.

[kitty1182]

He must be related to those bad cops that questioned Casey and didn't buy her story either! :laugh: MOO

LOL.........:biggrin:

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think he said he locked the back door. but then they said the back door is always locked, then they said its locked except for when they put the trash out. which one is it??

I seen someone say that maybe Misty opened the door and accidentally forgot to close it, if she was partying that night it is possible that she just plopped into bed and forgot the door was open.


Ron specifically stated he locks the doors when he leaves for work

That is why it has bugged me

He has to leave for work around 6/7ish in the evening, right?

(Was he locking them in or what?)

[aproudmom]

obviously CPS didnt have anything substantial or they would have removed the children from Ronald's care.

umm not so sure look how many kids die everyday because they have been looked over and not enough staff in CPS we have kids dying as I type because they slip through the cracks. JMO but I did run a site about missing and abused children it is so sad I never knew how bad it was until I talked to family and friends of the dead children who were asking for help but no one would help until it was to late. NOT talking about this case just the ones I am aware of.

[kitty1182]

Im waiting for her to say "If they dont find her they will pin this on me."

Now if she comes up with a name like zanny, that's it, I will never follow another case again..:sleep:

[playnice]

What was the date of that video ?

Also, what about the back door being open made her run to check Haleigh?

Ron could have came home from work early

Why not check on Jr?

Why was her immediate thought to check on Haleigh?Very interesting!!


I dont think ron came home early because LE said they are satisfied about him.
Those I bolded--very good questions Tara.

[MoonFlwr]

What was the date of that video ?

Also, what about the back door being open made her run to check Haleigh?

Ron could have came home from work early

Why not check on Jr?

Why was her immediate thought to check on Haleigh?

Very interesting!!

Well, Jr was supposedly in the same bed as Misty so she wouldn't have needed to check on him, probably?

[jewel6]

whats the cummings address?? I want to see the sex offender list.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/homepage.do

[aproudmom]

whats the cummings address?? I want to see the sex offender list.

if you get it can you post it I have wondered the same

[sunstar]

I was just thinking maybe a dope party and she happened to have one of the 44 sex offenders in the neighborhood and she didnt know? just a thought! JMO :sad:
That could be possible or somebody just took advantage of the open door after they'd been watching the house. I definitely don't believe anybody broke into the house. MOO

[playnice]

Now if she comes up with a name like zanny, that's it, I will never follow another case again..:sleep:

She is the nanny.:lol::lol:

[Beth Englema]

He must be related to those bad cops that questioned Casey and didn't buy her story either! :laugh: MOOI wish that they could borrow those bad cops from Orange County and let them give them some pointers on how to question a witness who doesn't remember what happened to a missing child.

[TaraCrazyHair]

SO is still a possibility if she was passed out or wasnt even there.

Thats why LE believe if Misti would tell the truth they would be able to find Haleigh.



Oh, I believe LE knows Misty is the key but it isn't because she was out partying or had a party there

(;

For some reason the line of a song keeps popping in my head with these two ...

"Do you want to know a secret? I promise not to tell"

[Babes]

The blanket story(s) have always disturbed me. And I don't buy it for a second that she (Misty) went to bed at 10:00, best case scenario for me is, she went and laid down on her mattress at 10:00, then watched tv.

jmo

I actually think she didnt even sleep that night IMO.

[sunstar]

Ron specifically stated he locks the doors when he leaves for work

That is why it has bugged me

He has to leave for work around 6/7ish in the evening, right?

(Was he locking them in or what?)
I think he leaves shortly after picking up Haleigh from the school bus stop, so more like around 4pm. At least that's what I read somewhere else. :smile:

[aproudmom]

Now if she comes up with a name like zanny, that's it, I will never follow another case again..:sleep:

oh no not zanny the nanny I have been over there trying to catch up

[sunstar]

I wish that they could borrow those bad cops from Orange County and let them give them some pointers on how to question a witness who doesn't remember what happened to a missing child.

Oh I would love that! I wish we could hear the interview tapes of them questioning Misty though. I bet they weren't that rude, but more like just getting too close for comfort, confronting her "inconsistencies". :smile: MOO

[playnice]

With casey 31 days and she didnt report her missing and was having a good ole time it was obvious who the perp was. This case has me wanting to borrow Cindys hammer

[jewel6]

I was looking and yeah there is alot of "sex offenders" but you dont have to be a molester or rapest to be an offender, if you get caught peeing in public then you are required to register as a sex offender. there are only 2 predators in the city of satsuma.

What LOOK again! JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I always wondered why Misty put Haleigh on her own mattress that night instead of having her sleep with Jr until the blanket was dried, then moved her to her mattress. Wasn't it chilli out that night? Was their furnace working (remember ac/heat guy was there earlier that day) was it fixed same day? Haleigh was supposedly in a tshirt and her underwear, wouldn't she have been too cool without a blanket?

Ron could have came home anytime in those 12 hours he was at *work*, imo. There have been many cases in the past where a person slipped out of work and slipped back in, imo.

The blanket story(s) have always disturbed me. And I don't buy it for a second that she (Misty) went to bed at 10:00, best case scenario for me is, she went and laid down on her mattress at 10:00, then watched tv.

jmo

The high that day was around 80 and the night was around 40

So pretty chilly not have a blanket for sure

There was no wind so what was blowing the screen door?

I know I read the door was banging against a cinder block?

Where did i hear that from?

[Babes]

Why will Ron call information about the "Man in Black" by Junior as "garbage" when in fact he doesnt know if Junior really said this or not?

[Beth Englema]

With casey 31 days and she didnt report her missing and was having a good ole time it was obvious who the perp was. This case has me wanting to borrow Cindys hammerSome times motive gets in the way of loving a child and that is why they disappear. In this case both may have gotten what they wanted.

[Beth Englema]

Why will Ron call information about the "Man in Black" by Junior as "garbage" when in fact he doesnt know if Junior really said this or not?Could be because he knows there was no one there that could have been mistaken for a man in black?

[playnice]

You and me both. Does anyone else find it odd that le didn't take Haleigh's mattress for further tests? OR, Ron's mattress? I find that so odd as well. I'm tired of typing "odd", I just hope they find Haleigh this week and find out whoever did this to her and prosecute to the fullest extent. I don't think Ron and Misty are going to get much of a homecoming once they return and I also, sadly say that I believe the public help is going to diminish quickly, imo.

Well the circus is drifting into town so this might give this case a boost in the media. If I have to watch much more of the Casey temper tantrem tape on NG Im going to puke. I wish she would quit playing them over and over. Use that time on Haleigh or some other missing kid.

[jewel6]

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0

[jewel6]

I just looked in the city of satsuma, if you click "show predators only" there are only 2 results and one is in jail, the other is out of state. Im not saying that the others couldnt have done it, Im saying that as far as the state is concerned only 2 of them are predators.

If you click under each offender it tells you their crime. They all have childrem and most young ones. look! JMO

[Babes]

Could be because he knows there was no one there that could have been mistaken for a man in black?

maybe.. but calling it "garbage" without knowing if it is true or not... is just weird...

[Beth Englema]

You and me both. Does anyone else find it odd that le didn't take Haleigh's mattress for further tests? OR, Ron's mattress? I find that so odd as well. I'm tired of typing "odd", I just hope they find Haleigh this week and find out whoever did this to her and prosecute to the fullest extent. I don't think Ron and Misty are going to get much of a homecoming once they return and I also, sadly say that I believe the public help is going to diminish quickly, imo.Yes, it is very odd that they did not take the mattresses. If something happened to Haleigh in either location, it might have left DNA on them even decomp if she lay there in that state.

[aproudmom]

With casey 31 days and she didnt report her missing and was having a good ole time it was obvious who the perp was. This case has me wanting to borrow Cindys hammer

omg thanks just lost my dr pepper all over my computer:laugh:
Not funny I know but the cindy thing got me but wait playnice Cindy likes bats and George likes waterhose not hammers unless they are pounding in no tresspassing signs.lol

[BobbysGirl]

First time posting here on this case.

Very confusing to me. I don't know what to make of it. I read a bit here and there but, do not know who is who or what.

My question, from what little info I gather.
Is, who is doing the calling on Ron with the social services and abuse allegations?

Early on when Haleigh disappeared, I got the impression from both sides of family Misty was liked. Including Haleighs mom.

Now there appears to be discord. Amongst both sides of family.


Sorry for asking. But, am quite curious as who is making allegations of abuse and now why?

IMO

I pass no judgement on any family member. This case is as bizarre as the the Anthony case. Is there something in the water? Only diff Anthony's know Caylee is dead. This Cummings family knows nothing. A blame game for past deeds. Done or undone. ?? Who is to blame? Blame is such a hateful word imo. So is bitter resentment.

Caylee is with her maker. Haleigh is gone. No nothing, nothing. Tight lipped LE and speculations. Misinfo from media and all that.

My prayers that Haleigh is found and brought home. :rose:

BG

eta: I don't know who, what, why Haleigh is gone. I pray justice and all who love this innocent child realize that she is missing, loved and is needed home.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I always wondered why Misty put Haleigh on her own mattress that night instead of having her sleep with Jr until the blanket was dried, then moved her to her mattress. Wasn't it chilli out that night? Was their furnace working (remember ac/heat guy was there earlier that day) was it fixed same day? Haleigh was supposedly in a tshirt and her underwear, wouldn't she have been too cool without a blanket?

Ron could have came home anytime in those 12 hours he was at *work*, imo. There have been many cases in the past where a person slipped out of work and slipped back in, imo.

The blanket story(s) have always disturbed me. And I don't buy it for a second that she (Misty) went to bed at 10:00, best case scenario for me is, she went and laid down on her mattress at 10:00, then watched tv.

jmo

If there was pee on the blanket ... there would be pee on the sheets and mattress

Why not wash the sheets?

Why just the blanket???

No washing with me (pardon my pun!)

Has anyone short of Misty ever verified that her mattress was always in that bedroom ...?

Is that how they have slept for six months?

Or could that mattress been moved in there after the fact?

[Politigal]

On the news about police questioning Misty's inconsistent statements, the timeline they mention is curious to me...

It's 7pm to 3am.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133696&catid=295

So, is 7pm when the last visitors to the home left?

[Babes]

Yes, it is very odd that they did not take the mattresses. If something happened to Haleigh in either location, it might have left DNA on them even decomp if she lay there in that state.


Yes. they have to test the mattress for any fluids but then again - they possibly found some and they are testing it now....we dont know really what they'ved got from that house as of this moment. IMO

[Babes]

On the news about police questioning Misty's inconsistent statements, the timeline they mention is curious to me...

It's 7pm to 3am.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133696&catid=295

So, is 7pm when the last visitors to the home left?

Granny stopped by and saw the kids eating at the porch at 7pm...

[Beth Englema]

I agree, the least she could do is scale back on Casey a little, so she can talk about other cases more. I'd also like to see her cut the intro out after she comes back from each commercial, what a time filler. Each show starts out the same "breaking news, those of the skeletal remains of Caylee Anthony....blah blah.....tot mom....." oy! Although, when she does take time to mention Haleigh, I find myself cringing because she is so far off the mark on this case, imo. I think there will be good local coverage this week, just not so certain about the national attention.

mooI think that Nancy Grace is afraid that if she isn't careful she will say things that she will regret. If I remember early in the Anthony investigation, she was careful with Cindy Anthony as well. My honest opinion is that she doesn't care for the family and not that interested in the case.

[sunstar]

You and me both. Does anyone else find it odd that le didn't take Haleigh's mattress for further tests? OR, Ron's mattress? I find that so odd as well. I'm tired of typing "odd", I just hope they find Haleigh this week and find out whoever did this to her and prosecute to the fullest extent. I don't think Ron and Misty are going to get much of a homecoming once they return and I also, sadly say that I believe the public help is going to diminish quickly, imo.

CSI has probably done all the tests they'd need on the mattess and most likely didn't find anything so the mattress was left there in the house. Another clue that no perp was ever in the house, imo. :sneaky:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Why will Ron call information about the "Man in Black" by Junior as "garbage" when in fact he doesnt know if Junior really said this or not?


My guesstimation?

Ron/Misty never asked him what he saw or heard that night

But Mom did



Crystal would have no need to create a story IMO

But the fact they never bothered to ask JR anything raises my hinky meter

[aproudmom]

I agree, the least she could do is scale back on Casey a little, so she can talk about other cases more. I'd also like to see her cut the intro out after she comes back from each commercial, what a time filler. Each show starts out the same "breaking news, those of the skeletal remains of Caylee Anthony....blah blah.....tot mom....." oy! Although, when she does take time to mention Haleigh, I find myself cringing because she is so far off the mark on this case, imo. I think there will be good local coverage this week, just not so certain about the national attention.

moo

You do have to give her some credit she at least has not forgot about Haleigh as so many others have such as GVS and many others. I also think they have so much more about that case cause it is all public record so something new everyday unlike Haleighs since no one will talk and everything is hush hush. I think NG would tear Misty and RC a new U know what now if she got them on now.

[Babes]

My guesstimation?

Ron/Misty never asked him what he saw or heard that night

But Mom did



Crystal would have no need to create a story IMO

But the fact they never bothered to ask JR anything raises my hinky meter


Big point there Tara... they never bothered to asked JR about Haleigh :thumbup:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Granny stopped by and saw the kids eating at the porch at 7pm...


after Ron locked all the doors before going to work

Why lock the doors that early?

Makes absolutely no sense!!

It is not like he left for work after they all were in bed


So why did he say that?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Keep in mind that while Ron and Mistywere making/talking on the 911 call, neither mentioned they had spoken to Junior as to what he might of seen, nor asked him while LE is there. Why not?

moo


I have asked that over and over with response

Jr may as well have not been in the home for all we get from it

You know he was woke up with all the lights, the yelling, the ruckus

Yet nary a word

[Babes]

Good question, Babes. Why would he say that? An underhanded slam at Crystal, that she made it up? But before Crystal met with GR, LE had already interviewed Junior earlier in the week when Theresa took him down to the police station.

moo

Ron's actions is getting more questionable as days goes by....

[odyssey]

So .. ummm ... the Loucakis predator they arrested for being outside of his gps limit of one mile and breaking curfew ... well, according to neighborhood search he only lived half a mile from Haleigh?

Wouldn't that mean he could go to her house and it would be within the mile range of his ankle bracelet?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do

he lives/lived now since he is arrested at 100 Camelia

jmoo

[~Dramatica~]

Granny stopped by and saw the kids eating at the porch at 7pm...

Granny lost all credibility with me when she went on the honeymoon and Ron has her name tattooed on his chest. I'm ready for the rubber room. moo

[sunstar]

I agree, I don't think a perp was in the mh that night either. But the mattresses could have told a story with bodily fluids, imo. Fgs they waited almost a month before figuring it out that taking the door might be a pretty good idea. Hopefully you are in the right and all the tests that needed to be done, were done. But still, not to remove the full mattress might not have been in the best interests of le either. moo.

I'm not sure what's happened in other cases where somebody was abducted, but I do believe they can do a lot of the testing without taking the object unless there is blood or other bodily fluids found on it. Which brings me back to Haleigh's bedwetting problem ~ if she had one. From looking at the video though it seems they did take whatever bedding was on the mattress. I'm still trying to figure out why they took the door! MOO

[kitty1182]

Got to turn in..See you all tomorrow......:smile:

[jewel6]

So .. ummm ... the Loucakis predator they arrested for being outside of his gps limit of one mile and breaking curfew ... well, according to neighborhood search he only lived half a mile from Haleigh?

Wouldn't that mean he could go to her house and it would be within the mile range of his ankle bracelet?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do

he lives/lived now since he is arrested at 100 Camelia

jmoo


I would think so but putnam county sheriff says unrelated! JMO :sad:

[TaraCrazyHair]

So .. ummm ... the Loucakis predator they arrested for being outside of his gps limit of one mile and breaking curfew ... well, according to neighborhood search he only lived half a mile from Haleigh?

Wouldn't that mean he could go to her house and it would be within the mile range of his ankle bracelet?

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/searchNeighborhood.do

he lives/lived now since he is arrested at 100 Camelia

jmoo

All So's in their area have been cleared by LE

Except the one who is on the FBI's list and he is listed as endangered

So I take it even LE is not looking at a SO has a culprit

[sunstar]

Aw I do love ng, I do. I guess I just wish she would fight for Haleigh like she did for Caylee. shrug.

Maybe she's thinking there's something fishy here and it wasn't an intruder, but doesn't want to be accusing anybody until there's an arrest? I remember her problems after Melinda Duckett's interview & suicide. And there's not really much she can talk about since LE is being pretty quiet. MOO

[BobbysGirl]

after Ron locked all the doors before going to work

Why lock the doors that early?

Makes absolutely no sense!!

It is not like he left for work after they all were in bed


So why did he say that?

Please correct me if I am wrong, I have not followed this case close. Only in beginning. I thought Ron said that the back door was not/or rarely used?

BG

[TaraCrazyHair]

Granny lost all credibility with me when she went on the honeymoon and Ron has her name tattooed on his chest. I'm ready for the rubber room. moo


Is it a fact she is in NYC with them or not?

I am baffled

[~jomomma~]

My guesstimation?

Ron/Misty never asked him what he saw or heard that night

But Mom did



Crystal would have no need to create a story IMO

But the fact they never bothered to ask JR anything raises my hinky meter

what i thought was strange about crystals story when she told about Jr. making this statement was she made a point of saying 'i didn't ask him anything'

to me, that is weird. i've posted this before and if it was me? i'd be asking him all kinds of questions

[Babes]

Granny lost all credibility with me when she went on the honeymoon and Ron has her name tattooed on his chest. I'm ready for the rubber room. moo


maybe she's enjoying the attention as well....

[odyssey]

All So's in their area have been cleared by LE

Except the one who is on the FBI's list and he is listed as endangered

So I take it even LE is not looking at a SO has a culprit

Yes, I know that is what they have said thanks. :)
That wasn't my question, though.

[BobbisAngel]

You said a mouthfull when you said "hmmmmmmmm." lol..I don't know what to think or which way to go first. I'm still shaking my head. That's the only thing I can think to do.lol... neighbor heard loud talking/argument from home way before 911 call was placed. That is important and I wish we could find out more about that. That darn blanket...water heater wall...Ron having a fight w/someone night Haleigh goes missing (according to TN)..Cousin Joe...gun...no forced entry...wedding..honeymoon in NY..LE removing MH door month AFTER incident..WHAT am I leaving out?:unsure:


How could Ron have gotten into a fight with anyone the night Haleigh went missing when he was at work? I thought I heard that it was a couple weeks before she went missing. I'm sure that Ron has to punch a time clock when he gets to work...at dinner break...and when he leaves so those hours could be verified.

[Beth Englema]

Speaking of their Manhaten trip, I couldn't help thinking how Misty and Ron liked the strict No Smoking Rules in the Big Apple. I picture them sneaking down a dark alley to light up. Seriously NY is very strict about smoking in public.
mooI guess that would put a big pout on their faces and could be why they were so angry.

[sunstar]

Got to turn in..See you all tomorrow......:smile:

Have a good night kitty! :seeya: I too will be leaving soon!

[aproudmom]

it just says under 16 on most of them that doesnt nessasarily mean they touched the child, if you click on the blue it shows you the definition of the charge and as for lewd & lascivious child under 16, if you pee outside and there is a child within 400 feet of you then you are arested and a sex offender, I dont know the extent of these cases so there is no way to know what these guys did., it doesnt give you details on the case, you would have to go to each county court website and look up the public record on them to get details and then you still wouldnt get much,

I do have to agree with some of what you said such as the detail which I feel should be changed to give more information as to what they were convicted of or plead to. I am not saying they have any right not to be on the radar they are what they are SO but I to know my cousin who was 18 a senior slept with a 15 almost 16yr old and they broke up and her parents filed charges he was convicted or went ahead and plead in hopes to get a lighter sentence well he spent 5yrs in prison I come from a very well raised family with alot of LE and a Judge he had no idea he was breaking the law and he is now on the SO for the rest of his life. But he is not a sexual Preditor by any means he was a young 18yr old dating a girl 2 months from her 16th B-day. I guess in my state they dont allow what RC is doing or done. JMO

IN MY EYES RC should be have been charged along time ago if so he would have been on that list you just looked at. Laws should be the same for ALL.

[sunstar]

Please correct me if I am wrong, I have not followed this case close. Only in beginning. I thought Ron said that the back door was not/or rarely used?

BG

Only to take out the trash and vacuum (the car) and he always checked to see if the door was locked before he left for work. :smile:

[BobbysGirl]

TY sunstar.

:)

[MrLucky917B]

Did Geraldo have anything on his show tonite? TIA

Nothing about Haleigh at all..local news didn't have anything either

[Themis]

On the news about police questioning Misty's inconsistent statements, the timeline they mention is curious to me...

It's 7pm to 3am.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133696&catid=295

So, is 7pm when the last visitors to the home left?
That 7 PM TIME comes only as reported by Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, who said she stopped by to drop of some clothes at that time and stayed only a few minutes. Sykes did not mention her 7 PM visit until Haleigh had been missing for several days. Misty has never said Sykes was there, not back on Day 1, not even now, if memory serves me correctly.
It has been reported in articles that Sykes said both Haleigh and Junior were eating dinner in the front screened porch.

Evidently, LE has accepted Sykes word for this. I do not simply because she is Ron's doting grandmother, because she defended the hurry-up wedding since Haleigh has been missing for weeks and weeks and weeks and it is time for something happy. The wedding reception was held in Sykes backyard. [JMO]

[Beth Englema]

I interpreted that article as Crystal wasn't looking at anything right now other than to focus on Haleigh's return. Crystal most likely knows disrupting Jr. right now is not in the best interest of anyone. Counseling is a good thing and will probably help Crystal more than anyone knows. Betting on whether or not a woman is going to counseling or not right now isn't very nice. Whether she makes one trip or all trips really doesn't matter because she isn't in New York on a honeymoon with a teenage boy, who was ultimately responsible for watching the children. If the roles were reversed, oh my goodness, wouldn't everyone have a field day prosecuting and pointing the finger at a male teenage babysitter who slept in the same room and in the same bed as the children. Sometimes leading a horse to water isn't necessary because the horse is already there and drinking. mooTo continue your thinking, not all sex offenders are male. Some of them are women and teenage girls. I posted two links earlier on this thread where women and children can become sexual offenders.

[sunstar]

TY sunstar.

:)

You're most welcome! Have a good night! :seeya:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Speaking of their Manhaten trip, I couldn't help thinking how Misty and Ron liked the strict No Smoking Rules in the Big Apple. I picture them sneaking down a dark alley to light up. Seriously NY is very strict about smoking in public.


And yes, the Today set was very eeire after their interview. The really don't project well as likeable people. Especially Ron, he seams to be always on the offense mode.
moo


Actually you can smoke in NYC on the sidewalks all you want and also in some bars

I go there to visit my daughter quite often ... and i smoke

(;

LA is where you cannot smoke in public without a lot of trouble

Just a FYI!

[playnice]

You do have to give her some credit she at least has not forgot about Haleigh as so many others have such as GVS and many others. I also think they have so much more about that case cause it is all public record so something new everyday unlike Haleighs since no one will talk and everything is hush hush. I think NG would tear Misty and RC a new U know what now if she got them on now.

I do think if she starts suspecting Ron she will stop asking Teresa to come on.

[aproudmom]

I interpreted that article as Crystal wasn't looking at anything right now other than to focus on Haleigh's return. Crystal most likely knows disrupting Jr. right now is not in the best interest of anyone. Counseling is a good thing and will probably help Crystal more than anyone knows. Betting on whether or not a woman is going to counseling or not right now isn't very nice. Whether she makes one trip or all trips really doesn't matter because she isn't in New York on a honeymoon with a teenage boy, who was ultimately responsible for watching the children. If the roles were reversed, oh my goodness, wouldn't everyone have a field day prosecuting and pointing the finger at a male teenage babysitter who slept in the same room and in the same bed as the children. Sometimes leading a horse to water isn't necessary because the horse is already there and drinking.

moo

I watched her lawyer on NG she said at this time custody was not the issue this was a few days ago but she said Haleigh was the focus at this time. I hope they all get help and they all have to take some parenting classes it can't hurt I am just happy she has someone helping her with what she does I guess no lawyer has come to RC or Misty cause they sure needs some help with their interviews. I also have noticed crystal always says mommy and daddy loves you. I have never heard that out of anyone elses mouth

[TaraCrazyHair]

That 7 PM TIME comes only as reported by Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, who said she stopped by to drop of some clothes at that time and stayed only a few minutes. Sykes did not mention her 7 PM visit until Haleigh had been missing for several days. Misty has never said Sykes was there, not back on Day 1, not even now, if memory serves me correctly.
It has been reported in articles that Sykes said both Haleigh and Junior were eating dinner in the front screened porch.

Evidently, LE has accepted Sykes word for this. I do not simply because she is Ron's doting grandmother, because she defended the hurry-up wedding since Haleigh has been missing for weeks and weeks and weeks and it is time for something happy. The wedding reception was held in Sykes backyard. [JMO]


LE said the timeline was 7:27 PM to 3:00 AM

I remember when I read it i thought the 7:27 was a little precise

[TaraCrazyHair]

Please correct me if I am wrong, I have not followed this case close. Only in beginning. I thought Ron said that the back door was not/or rarely used?

BG


In the beginning of this case ... the back door was never used!

Then it morphed into sometimes


Lot of morphing in this case!

[BobbysGirl]

I'm curious if that development has a septic system. The type where a round cement cover is lifted .

OH MY! What a thought!

BG

[CANDYKISSES]

maybe she's enjoying the attention as well....

Are you serious babes? I don't believe I've ever seen such a broken woman as Teresa Neves regarding her grandchild Haleigh Cummings who has been missing for just about a month now.

What on earth would make you believe she is enjoying attention? :sad: JMO

[Deb7]

I'm curious if that development has a septic system. The type where a round cement cover is lifted .

Ok, now we are getting somewhere.

Good thinking Swarovski. :thumbup:

[caphill]

I have asked that over and over with response

Jr may as well have not been in the home for all we get from it

You know he was woke up with all the lights, the yelling, the ruckus

Yet nary a word


TN who arrived within minutes reported that she immediately took JR to the police station. She said the LE asked her to not ask JR any questions as they wanted a pro to talk with him. LE also confirmed their professionals talked with him. Because of the on going investigation the LE would not release any info what he had said.

It was Crystal that said JR said "it was a man in all black". Her version later morphed into a "black man dressed in all black".

[aproudmom]

I do think if she starts suspecting Ron she will stop asking Teresa to come on.

No I think really if she got them on there now she would ask some pretty upfront questions she sure would not go for the whole yes they said I passed the LDT she is not stupid. They would not go on cause they know how she is and does not care to ask the hard questions. I do not think they have been on since the marriage have they? I can not see her being mean to TN I am more talking about RC and Misty look what happened with the Trenton D case after his mom was given those hard questions they tried to sue her but she ask the same questions to melinda as she did the dad and melinda would not even say what store she had been to. COME ON NANCY give Misty a call maybe you can get her talking or running like she did the other day before her wedding.

[Themis]

LE said the timeline was 7:27 PM to 3:00 AM

I remember when I read it i thought the 7:27 was a little precise
From the sheriff's incident report, the 911 phone call was logged in as being 3:27 A.M., 2-10-09

I doubt Haleigh's great grandmother Annette Sykes made note of her exact time of arrival and departure.

I believe what you might have read was a typo on the part of the reporter who wrote the article.

Please provide a link to the time frame to which you refer if you have it. TIA [JMO]

[BobbysGirl]

Don't forget the lock was up so high, even the jolly green giant wouldn't have been able to open it. Come to find out it's at almost the same level as the doorknob.

moo

Alot of morphing grant you. I have one thing that I heard/read somewhere that a lock was plastic???

Never, ever in my 62 yrs of life have I ever heard of or seen a plastic lock on a door.

Sumptin' for me to resarch.

BG

[Babes]

Are you serious babes? I don't believe I've ever seen such a broken woman as Teresa Neves regarding her grandchild Haleigh Cummings who has been missing for just about a month now.

What on earth would make you believe she is enjoying attention? :sad: JMO



Hi Candykisses... lol --- well she's joining the honeymooners at NY - some said they changed how they feel about this woman when she decided to join the honeymoon....But it is just a guesso n my part- Ive'd seen how upset Ron was on his 911 when Haleigh vanished but as time changed - i am seeing a different Ron IMO.... frankly, i am on the fence for this family but i am leaning towards Misty as the person who knows more than what she's saying IMO....

[aproudmom]

I lived there for ten years and found their new rules very strict. I doubt Misty would be allowed to sit at a NY bar.

moo

Not here either you can't even smoke in a bar here anymore. heck you throw one out your car window you get a fine.

[cloe23]

As rocky as this sounds............ Old retired man. This is not a family deal, face it. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

TN who arrived within minutes reported that she immediately took JR to the police station. She said the LE asked her to not ask JR any questions as they wanted a pro to talk with him. LE also confirmed their professionals talked with him. Because of the on going investigation the LE would not release any info what he had said.

It was Crystal that said JR said "it was a man in all black". Her version later morphed into a "black man dressed in all black".


Jr was at the police station before the 911 call?

I did not know that!

(:

And actually, initially, it was somebody in black

Not a man in black


Hi Cap!!! Good to see you (:

[TaraCrazyHair]

As rocky as this sounds............ Old retired man. This is not a family deal, face it. JMO



I 100% disagree


This is a family deal

MOO


Everything points to it

[TaraCrazyHair]

I lived there for ten years and found their new rules very strict. I doubt Misty would be allowed to sit at a NY bar.

moo


She would never sit in a bar period!

But nobody would stop her from smoking on the sidewalk

Whoever had that thought was wrong

Not that her smoking underage means crap because she is all over the media smoking Not to mention living with a guy who is breaking the law with her

But that does not make a difference ... does it!

[aproudmom]

LE said the timeline was 7:27 PM to 3:00 AM

I remember when I read it i thought the 7:27 was a little precise

I am sure I posted on here the police report about that night just do not want to search for it but I am almost sure it did say 7:27 I only remember that because I found it to be such a odd time so maybe we saw the same thing it was not just a media report it was the police report wrote up that night by the LE who came to the home.

[caphill]

Yes, it is very odd that they did not take the mattresses. If something happened to Haleigh in either location, it might have left DNA on them even decomp if she lay there in that state.


LE took the bed clothes and blankets, IIRC. I am sure LE did presumptive testing for blood with Luminol or BlueStar of the whole living areas in the house. Finding DNA for Haleigh would be expected since she lived in the house.

[CANDYKISSES]

Another question

If the mattress was still there when Crystal visited, and Ron And Misty were married Friday, left for NY Friday night, does that mean that Haleigh's bed is still there too? I thought I read that they had removed all their belongings. Yet they left Haleigh's bed and mattress. Why?

moo

Misinformation strikes again. They were married on THURSDAY. :rolleyes:

JMO

What a crock......:unsure:

[Babes]

Thursday, Palatka Daily News attempted to speak with Misty to let her address the issues law enforcement has raised about her statements.

Misty only responded with, “I would really appreciate it if you people would stop calling me.”
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d14-Misty-Cummings-not-cleared-as-suspect-in-Haleighs-disappearance



Hmmmm.... cmon Misty ... show us the real you....

[TaraCrazyHair]

Another question

If the mattress was still there when Crystal visited, and Ron And Misty were married Friday, left for NY Friday night, does that mean that Haleigh's bed is still there too? I thought I read that they had removed all their belongings. Yet they left Haleigh's bed and mattress. Why?

moo


Smelled like pee?

(shrug)


Getting snarky so that is my cue to go to bed!

Interesting that before Susan Smith, parents were not in the lime light

Now they are

But them we have Jessica and Elizabeth and suddenly parents not so much

Then we have Melinda and Casey and back at the parents once again

What the heck is it with these two?

I am back at Susan Smith with them

I still say one is covering for the other or both for each other

But no stranger, no SO, these two hold the key!


Either way, this baby is dead

Or hopefully hidden and they are stupid enough to think it will all die down and her homecoming is a miracle

Which seeing how they are .. could happen!

Nothing ... absolutely nothing would surprise me with this group of people!!!

[BobbysGirl]

Another question

If the mattress was still there when Crystal visited, and Ron And Misty were married Friday, left for NY Friday night, does that mean that Haleigh's bed is still there too? I thought I read that they had removed all their belongings. Yet they left Haleigh's bed and mattress. Why?

moo

I saw some video w/mattress on floor, for Haleigh. No frame.

sorry, I do not rem a bed frame.

if, and I say if, naaaaaaaaaaaah never mind.

imo, ron and new wife have not finished moving out. wonder where they are going to live when they get back? shut my mouth...ziiiiiiiiiiip

BG

[TaraCrazyHair]

No it doesn't. I just mentioned it as something else Misty would be uncomfortable with, as I think Manhatten is way above her comfort zone.


moo


Not to mention waaaaaaaaaay out of their price range

I mean way out!!!!!!

[aproudmom]

In the beginning when he moaned and groaned and fell to the ground and was incoherent about dealing with the trash -- I thought he meant Misty

But then he married her ... so who knows!

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

1.I would give my life for my childs life back
2.Yes some peice of trash took my daughter
3.someone stolded my child from MY BED I was working
4. I do plan to take the trash out when it is time
5.yes my son is alright imagine that
6.she was very lovable but she's gone now

[TaraCrazyHair]

Did the back door being open "make her run to check on Haleigh"?

IIRC she said she noticed the light, then the door and went back for her phone...not to check on Haleigh (or Jr).

An empty mattress right at the door is/would be more noticeable at first glance....so I'm not surprised she noticed Haleigh missing quick..

Ron says he arrived home around 3:25-3:27. IIRC he said his cell was ringing but he didn't answer because he was arriving at home.

.....I can't believe Ron could have slipped away early and done something to his daughter.
He was an equipment operator on the night shift. Your equipment isn't idle and someone not take notice. IMO



Go view the link provided a couple pages back of Misty right after Haleigh went missing

Her words were she saw the light and the door and ran to check on Haleigh

Quote Unquote

[teresa]

Don't forget the lock was up so high, even the jolly green giant wouldn't have been able to open it. Come to find out it's at almost the same level as the doorknob.

moo

Can anyone show me where any member of the Cummings family ever said this about the lock. It was a former renter, a preacher who put up the high sliding lock to keep his son in. I have seen him interviewed twice and somehow it keeps keeping repeated that RC said it.

I believe the man - he said the door would pop open. He lived there are good while ago and the door must have been replaced since then because I didn't see any screw holes in any of the pictures.

[TaraCrazyHair]

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html

1.I would give my life for my childs life back
2.Yes some peice of trash took my daughter
3.someone stolded my child from MY BED I was working
4. I do plan to take the trash out when it is time
5.yes my son is alright imagine that
6.she was very lovable but she's gone now


You forgot the "well mannered" at least five times


Like that was important

Ok ... definitely getting snarky so i will say good night

I am tired and this case frustrates me!

Night

[aproudmom]

LE said the timeline was 7:27 PM to 3:00 AM

I remember when I read it i thought the 7:27 was a little precise

I thought this was the one but it isn't but this is one I did post about that night

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

Original Haleigh
Cummings case police
narrative
Spelling and grammar as found on
original report


Police asked Ronald what happened, and he told me that he had just gotten home from work, and his, "dumb [censored] girlfriend" told him his daughter was missing. Ronald repeadtedly said that someone had taken his child and also said, "when I find him, I'll kill him." Ronald was referring to a 9mm Beretta hand gun which heowed inside of his residence and that if law enforcement found whoever had this child, he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car. I attempted to get information from Ronald regarding HAleigh, however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information.

[Babes]

Did the back door being open "make her run to check on Haleigh"?

IIRC she said she noticed the light, then the door and went back for her phone...not to check on Haleigh (or Jr).

An empty mattress right at the door is/would be more noticeable at first glance....so I'm not surprised she noticed Haleigh missing quick..

Ron says he arrived home around 3:25-3:27. IIRC he said his cell was ringing but he didn't answer because he was arriving at home.

.....I can't believe Ron could have slipped away early and done something to his daughter.
He was an equipment operator on the night shift. Your equipment isn't idle and someone not take notice. IMO



check this video :

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

This is Misty explaining what happened....

[aproudmom]

You forgot the "well mannered" at least five times


Like that was important

Ok ... definitely getting snarky so i will say good night

I am tired and this case frustrates me!

Night

Night are you getting snarky with me? if so sorry dont know what you mean the well mannered ok I think I need to go to bed to this case is sending me to the looney bin

[caphill]

Jr was at the police station before the 911 call?

I did not know that!

(:

And actually, initially, it was somebody in black

Not a man in black


Hi Cap!!! Good to see you (:


Hey, back at you. You misunderstood my post. TN said the LE asked her to take JR to the police station to be questioned by pros. She gave a precise time that was around 3:58am. I assumed the precise time was the logged when she got to the station or at least a documented time from some LE record.

You may be correct that Crystal said "someone in black. It was after the Geraldo episode that the story changed to a black man in all black.

TN reported that the LE said a number of people talked with him asking him different questions differnt ways and he kept changing his answers. The impression I got from that statement was he couldn't offer anything coherent.

[teresa]

I am sure I posted on here the police report about that night just do not want to search for it but I am almost sure it did say 7:27 I only remember that because I found it to be such a odd time so maybe we saw the same thing it was not just a media report it was the police report wrote up that night by the LE who came to the home.

I think it was in the article yesterday in the local paper where the detective said that they are satisfied with Ron, etc. and that he doesn't consider Misty a suspect but that her timeline is inconsistent and that is key to them. His name starts with an S. It was in last night's thread. I remember the time as being 7-something...not 7:00.

It makes me think that they are going by when the neighbor saw her maybe.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I thought this was the one but it isn't but this is one I did post about that night

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

Original Haleigh
Cummings case police
narrative
Spelling and grammar as found on
original report


Police asked Ronald what happened, and he told me that he had just gotten home from work, and his, "dumb [censored] girlfriend" told him his daughter was missing. Ronald repeadtedly said that someone had taken his child and also said, "when I find him, I'll kill him." Ronald was referring to a 9mm Beretta hand gun which heowed inside of his residence and that if law enforcement found whoever had this child, he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car. I attempted to get information from Ronald regarding HAleigh, however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information.

Wasn't his gun stolen by Cousin Joe?

???

Found in a ditch?

Check for the answer in the morning

[MrLucky917B]

I thought this was the one but it isn't but this is one I did post about that night

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

Original Haleigh
Cummings case police
narrative
Spelling and grammar as found on
original report


Police asked Ronald what happened, and he told me that he had just gotten home from work, and his, "dumb [censored] girlfriend" told him his daughter was missing. Ronald repeadtedly said that someone had taken his child and also said, "when I find him, I'll kill him." Ronald was referring to a 9mm Beretta hand gun which heowed inside of his residence and that if law enforcement found whoever had this child, he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car. I attempted to get information from Ronald regarding HAleigh, however, due to his emotional state he was unable to provide any useful information.

I'm surprised that he didn't say "I don't know what happened, I was at work"

JMO

[aproudmom]

Candy, I sure hope some of these posters are never in a situation where they have to give statements to LE. Can you in your wildest imagination the inconsistencies?? LMBO

I am a poster and heck no would I ever want to walk in their shoes but I would do all I could to help bring my child back and it sure would not be walking out of a room when I was being ask questions or running to marry and a trip to NY when LE was searching for my child I DO know I would have had a shirt on that had my childs face on it if I wanted the focus to be on them... I think I will call it a night..I am getting cranky

[Babes]

No it does NOT.. If it did you would place a link here for everyone to see.


check on the video...

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html

words from misty's mouth are better than media links...

[teresa]

Candy, I sure hope some of these posters are never in a situation where they have to give statements to LE. Can you in your wildest imagination the inconsistencies?? LMBO


And please G-d, never let them sit on a jury. There is so much misinformation here but I've checked every message board around and this one is by far the best.

[Santa'sMom]

I'm curious if that development has a septic system. The type where a round cement cover is lifted .

I'm pretty sure it's individual septic tanks there. There was a boy found in an abandoned septic tank in Interlachen (schoolmate had murdered him and left him there), which is in Putnam County, about 10 or so years ago and I'm sure there are officers there who still remember that so it would seem likely that they would keep that possibility in mind. Still, a great question.

[BobbysGirl]

Candy, I sure hope some of these posters are never in a situation where they have to give statements to LE. Can you in your wildest imagination the inconsistencies?? LMBO

FGS Hope is 'IF some of these posters are never in a situation' In all due respect 'these posters' are not a combination nor multitude of the family/friends/Le/media in this situation. Give posters a break. There are more people involved in this case than the members on this message board.

Courtesty

BG

Live and let live.

[BitterSweet]

If I awoke to find a child missing... any CHILD!

I don't think I would head straight to my cell phone? I believe I would be running and screaming the childs name? Checking every closet, all over the home?

I also believe my first intuition would be to run outside in fear that the child had gone outside alone..I would do all of this INSTINCTUALLY!

BitterSweet

[Themis]

I am sure I posted on here the police report about that night just do not want to search for it but I am almost sure it did say 7:27 I only remember that because I found it to be such a odd time so maybe we saw the same thing it was not just a media report it was the police report wrote up that night by the LE who came to the home.
Putnam County Sheriff's Incident Report #1325

Day/Date/Time Incident Reported: Tuesday 2/10/2009 03:27

911 logged the call from Misty in at 3:27 A.M.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

As I posted earlier, Haleigh's great grandmother Annette Sykes said in an on-line newspaper article she had stopped by about 7 P.M. on Monday, February 9, 2009 to drop off some clothes.
She said she saw both Haleigh and Junior eating dinner in the front screened porch.
I doubt very much that Sykes could say exactly what time she left the Cummings mobile home.

Somewhere along the way, either a member of LE mispoke and a reporter wrote exactly what was said. OR, more likely, a reporter simply made an error with regards to these times.
Mistakes happen.
[JMO]

[aproudmom]

I'm surprised that he didn't say "I don't know what happened, I was at work"

JMO

LOL Thanks for a good laugh before I go to bed Lucky:thumbsup:

[BobbysGirl]

I'm pretty sure it's individual septic tanks there. There was a boy found in an abandoned septic tank in Interlachen (schoolmate had murdered him and left him there), which is in Putnam County, about 10 or so years ago and I'm sure there are officers there who still remember that so it would seem likely that they would keep that possibility in mind. Still, a great question.

IT is a good question. I heard or read on news recently that a toddler was missing and she fell into a septic tank. Sad, I wish I could remember.

BG

[aproudmom]

Putnam County Sheriff's Incident Report #1325

Day/Date/Time Incident Reported: Tuesday 2/10/2009 03:27

911 logged the call from Misty in at 3:27 A.M.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

As I posted earlier, Haleigh's great grandmother Annette Sykes said in an on-line newspaper article she had stopped by about 7 P.M. on Monday, February 9, 2009 to drop off some clothes.
She said she saw both Haleigh and Junior eating dinner in the front screened porch.
I doubt very much that Sykes could say exactly what time she left the Cummings mobile home.

Somewhere along the way, either a member of LE mispoke and a reporter wrote exactly what was said. OR, more likely, a reporter simply made an error with regards to these times.
Mistakes happen.
[JMO]

OKey Dokey Themis thanks for clearing that up these days I doubt alot of things to tell you the truth JMO

[Themis]

I'm surprised that he didn't say "I don't know what happened, I was at work"

JMO
He hadn't come up with his mantra until he and his mother had a chance to talk. [JMO]

[caphill]

From the sheriff's incident report, the 911 phone call was logged in as being 3:27 A.M., 2-10-09

I doubt Haleigh's great grandmother Annette Sykes made note of her exact time of arrival and departure.

I believe what you might have read was a typo on the part of the reporter who wrote the article.

Please provide a link to the time frame to which you refer if you have it. TIA [JMO]


The initial LE report had many errors. There were ages that were wrong. LE had listed Haleigh as a male child.

We have seen many inconsistencies in the media reports from one show to next. That is because the media is rushing to report and many times are reporting from someone else's report.

[Babes]

TY for the link but she also stated she went into the room to get the telephone and that is when she noticed Haleigh missing. I will add MOO because I am to tired to look through all the media links. I wonder if this is what LE is considering inconsistencies. They really are not, she still says the same thing just differently.IMO.. Just like she say she see a 3 on the clock,meaning she did NOT notices the minutes,IMO and say OK 3 O'Clock. It could have been 3:14 or 3:19, she just saw the 3. To me that is inconsistencies only if you want to make them that. IMO. This girl the first 36-48 is in terrible condition and scared to death for Haleigh. AMOO

i think one inconsistencies is her different story of where is Haleigh sleeping - which mattress.... then also she said before that she was wearing the pink shirt but the pink shirt was found in the laundry...if LE mentioned inconsistensies then i do believe there are inconsistensies...IMO

[BobbysGirl]

TY I will add MOO because I am to tired to look through all the media links. I wonder if this is what LE is considering inconsistencies. They really are not, she still says the same thing just differently.IMO.. Just like she say she see a 3 on the clock,meaning she did NOT notices the minutes,IMO and say OK 3 O'Clock. It could have been 3:14 or 3:19, she just saw the 3. To me that is inconsistencies only if you want to make them that. IMO. This girl the first 36-48 is in terrible condition and scared to death for Haleigh. AMOO

Snipped/

Yes, I caefully watched and heard her say that. IA

IMO


BG
:)

[Themis]

The initial LE report had many errors. There were ages that were wrong. LE had listed Haleigh as a male child.

We have seen many inconsistencies in the media reports from one show to next. That is because the media is rushing to report and many times are reporting from someone else's report.
I agree with you ... mistakes happen all the time especially in a rush to get a report in. Cops make mistakes on reports; hopefully, those get corrected when supplemental follow-up reports are written.

Reporters make mistakes in articles. And people here make mistakes by repeating information that is incorrect.

Right now I put most faith in 911 phone logs because they are all taped.

Please see my post #973 for more detail. [JMO]

[playnice]

SATSUMA, Fla. – Child advocate, Wayanne Kruger arrived from Arizona a week ago to lend her support and expertise to Haleigh Cummings' family in their quest to bring her home

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Family-Advocate-Out/8iP23JfsQ0eg5Q4r0Kw_EQ.cspx

WOW. So this new attorneys strategy is to run everyone else off that is neutral?

[Themis]

You've got that right. She is always there to capture the spotlight when Ron hits the pavement. She knows what the deal is, I'm convinced of that. There is just no way any other mother on this planet would give her well wishes to her son to get married on the month anniversary of her disappearance.

I wish, when Teresa was giving the mh tour and Nancy asked the reporter if you could hear the door close, they would have done it live. Instead the reporter answered "No, you cannot hear the door close" well can you hear someone coming up the long, wooded, rotted ramp? Because that sounded dam noisey to me. Also, in that video where ron is on his knee's pleading for the return of his daughter, does anyone else notice the almost non stop barking of a neighbor dog? And in that video, Ron screws up and says "someone came in and took my children, my child" he says. Was the initial plan to take both kids? That's the reason the door was propped open?

moo
So true, Viking. Have you seen this short video from the last big press conference of 3-10-09?

Here's a link to the pleas for Haleigh's safe return from the most recent press conference of March 10. This brief clip is only 2.53 minutes -- just Ron and Crystal speaking.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18899331/index.html

I put this up because of others who, like me, got tired of the Presser when it occurred with all the other speakers essentially saying not much. [JMO]

........................

P.S. Was Ron still so overcome with grief that his mother, Teresa Neves, had to help him get up from sitting in the chair? Seriously!

And this was followed by words delivered in a completely flat voice void of all emotion.

Then, in spite of her shaking body and constant sniffling I did not see evidence of a tear although Crystal wiped at her eyes continuously. Maybe my monitor needs to be cleaned but that's the way I saw it.

Very strange. [JMO]

[teresa]

I don`t go to other MB because they are not monitored. CW does her best to be fair and keep things from getting out of hand. She does have her hands full. I sure wouldn't want to be in her shoes.
I agree with you...........

Yes, and this board is more balanced and open minded. I think certain "family" members have infilitrated some boards. I know for a fact they have two. Or at least the mods at those two are convinced.

I don't have a clue what happened so I'm not ready to bash anyone. I just don't like to see misinformation and rumors from other posters later repeated as facts. It drives me nuts.

[teresa]

WOW. So this new attorneys strategy is to run everyone else off that is neutral?

This may be a rumor but I thought she said she was staying in the same MH that was loaned to Crystal's family. They must not have seen eye to eye on some things, huh?

[playnice]

This may be a rumor but I thought she said she was staying in the same MH that was loaned to Crystal's family. They must not have seen eye to eye on some things, huh?

I thought a VA worked for all family not taking sides like be in Crystals camp or Rons camp.

It seems like this family just keeps dividing apart. Shame they cant work together for Haleigh and work on the other stuff after haleigh has been found.:sad:

[BobbysGirl]

Still does not change the facts, of all the inconsistencies, posters are talking about.

Correct, and I do agree. I apologize, I try to keep up and not deal w/inconsitencies (love the splng) :). Times I misinterpret ad times not.

I deal w/ facts. To the best of my ability.
Heck, it is geting late. But have a few cells left. Had the flu.


BG

[Themis]

At the link there is a short video plus a written article where Haleigh's great grandmother, Annette Sykes, said she stopped by the Cummings mobile home.
If this is true she would have been the last adult to see Haleigh, other than Misty, alive. Need to remember that she is Ronald's grandmother and trust her memory of days and dates.
Last update: February 18, 2009


http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx


Notes:
The arrival time of about 7 P.M.
Dropping off of clothes.

The above elaborations are, IIRC, supposed to be in the HLN links. I'm too tired to search for them.

[Themis]

I see it didn't take her long to high tail it back home. LOL. Didn't think it would.
"Kruger’s abrupt departure does raise questions, but Neither Haleigh's family or attorney Kim Picazio would speak to the matter when we contacted them, only saying they want to keep the focus on finding Haleigh."

Now talk about inconsistencies read this"Kim Picazio, an attorney representing the Sheffield family, released the following statement Saturday.

"Wanted to thank Kruger for her emotional support.... but at this time she is not associated, affiliated or working for Picazio or the Sheffield family."
but in the next sentence she states"She is" representing the Sheffield family"....... Does she or does she not represent or work for the Sheffield family????
Wow ... Kruger blew in and flew out before I had a chance to put her under my microscope.:laugh:

OK, does anyone know how to start a new thread? We are at 1,000. I don't know how and would probably foul it up.

[Themis]

Signing off this thread now

Thanks to all the posters who care enough about Haleigh to share their opinions.

[2Hope4]

Consider this:

There's a get together at the trailer. Doesn't have to be a 'party', or really more than just Misty and someone else. Might not even have been alcohol involved. Could Misty have been given some type of drug, unknowingly, like in her Pepsi, or whatever? She passes out from this drug, and then Haleigh disappears. While Misty truly does NOT know, or even remember what happened, she may feel that something happened to herself causing her not to remember. Kinda like a date rape drug.

Misty wakes up because she heard a noise, though doesn't realize she heard a noise, just realized she was thirsty, or had to pee. Then notices a light on that should have been off. Again, very possible she left the light on, and just doesn't remember it as she is so use to turning off the light at night, so assumes she must have turned it off.

I'm thinking someone did come over that night, and truly Misty nor Ron are responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh.

It would explain some of Misty's actions, in combination with her age.

Could they hypnotize her and be able to tell if she was drugged that night?

Just my rambling thoughts...

[Politigal]

Consider this:

There's a get together at the trailer. Doesn't have to be a 'party', or really more than just Misty and someone else. Might not even have been alcohol involved. Could Misty have been given some type of drug, unknowingly, like in her Pepsi, or whatever? She passes out from this drug, and then Haleigh disappears. While Misty truly does NOT know, or even remember what happened, she may feel that something happened to herself causing her not to remember. Kinda like a date rape drug.

Misty wakes up because she heard a noise, though doesn't realize she heard a noise, just realized she was thirsty, or had to pee. Then notices a light on that should have been off. Again, very possible she left the light on, and just doesn't remember it as she is so use to turning off the light at night, so assumes she must have turned it off.

I'm thinking someone did come over that night, and truly Misty nor Ron are responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh.

It would explain some of Misty's actions, in combination with her age.

Could they hypnotize her and be able to tell if she was drugged that night?

Just my rambling thoughts...

wouldn't she recall who came by that night though?

[caphill]

I have said all along, Crystal is and was happy with Ronald having the children. She knew he loved them and would protect them with his life... Marie is the one calling in help for Crystal that she does not want. MOO, this attorney will find out real soon Marie is hoping to make money off of this. Crystal,like Ronald wants Haleigh found and leave their personal lives along...Crystal needs to stand up to her mother,but............last time she stood up to Marie she called CPS on her own daughter.


I agree with your perception that Crystal doesn't appear to have a head of steam against Ron that her mother has. When and why did her mother call CPS about Crystal?

I would suspect it was also Crystal's mother that called CPS to report Ron for abuse to the children. I don't know when a report was made and recall that it was confirmed that a report was made and there was an investigation of the home.

I would think if any abuse or neglect was found by CPS in Ron's home the children would have been removed.

From the pics it appeared those children were cleanly clothed, looked well fed and looked like smiling happy children. The pics showed that efforts were made for the children to have happy holidays of Christmas, Easter and visits to the beach.

Many see Ron as rough around the edges and have surmised he was bad tempered. Just from the pics he appeared to find delight in his children. Whatever his previous history, he made the right efforts as a single 22 old father to step up and take responsibility for the care of his children. Maybe it was not a perfect lifestyle but as he said he was doing the best he could do to work and support his family.

As a single 25 custodial parent of two children, I would bet there were not a lot of women his age that had educations and good jobs that would be interested in dating him with his built in family. Finding someone like Misty that likely saw her future only as becoming some one's wife and mother may have been his few choices to find a mate.

[MoonFlwr]

I agree with your perception that Crystal doesn't appear to have a head of steam against Ron that her mother has. When and why did her mother call CPS about Crystal?

I would suspect it was also Crystal's mother that called CPS to report Ron for abuse to the children. I don't know when a report was made and recall that it was confirmed that a report was made and there was an investigation of the home.

I would think if any abuse or neglect was found by CPS in Ron's home the children would have been removed.

From the pics it appeared those children were cleanly clothed, looked well fed and looked like smiling happy children. The pics showed that efforts were made for the children to have happy holidays of Christmas, Easter and visits to the beach.

Many see Ron as rough around the edges and have surmised he was bad tempered. Just from the pics he appeared to find delight in his children. Whatever his previous history, he made the right efforts as a single 22 old father to step up and take responsibility for the care of his children. Maybe it was not a perfect lifestyle but as he said he was doing the best he could do to work and support his family.



(bolding is mine...to emphasise a point). (snipped, too)

Well-said! Perfectly chosen words...that is what I saw, too, the delight he found in his children.

[TannersMom]

I just realized its technically Sunday but hey Ill close out the night and be sure to post tomorrow. I always pray for Haleigh before bed and search her sweet name in the morning hoping she will have been found safe. Gods with you sweetie!