Sunday, 3/15

[Babes]

I believe this small kid will have an answer.... he spoke about the Man in Black....My question is - did they ask him WHEN did the Man in black took her sissy?


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html
Crystal Sheffield, the children's mother, said Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, Jr. and her son recounted the same story to her.

"When I see him [Haleigh's brother], all he said is, 'I want to find my sissy,' and he said something about somebody in black took her," Sheffield said, according to Central Florida News 13.

"He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn't question him. I'm not going to question him."

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Hmmm why wouldnt Crystal not try to question her kid about this?

[BobbisAngel]

It really hasn't been talked about to much. I believe some professionals that work with children came in and talked to the little boy so maybe they had something to tell LE after they talked.

It wouldn't surprise me if this isn't something that his bio mom...Crystal...planted in his head. It got her on Geraldo! She likes all of that attention and she really makes me uneasy. She took that little boy and put him full face on the camera so everyone could see him. Now if his story is true she just put that little boy at risk. I think the drugs have taken a toll on her brain. Keeping that little boy safe should be first and foremost on everyone's minds.

I would love to know what RJ told the pro's.

[Babes]

Good Morning

Thanks for responding on this thread.
I hope this kid can remember more about this Man in Black.

[sleuth]

I believe this small kid will have an answer.... he spoke about the Man in Black....My question is - did they ask him WHEN did the Man in black took her sissy?


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html
Crystal Sheffield, the children's mother, said Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, Jr. and her son recounted the same story to her.

"When I see him [Haleigh's brother], all he said is, 'I want to find my sissy,' and he said something about somebody in black took her," Sheffield said, according to Central Florida News 13.

"He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn't question him. I'm not going to question him."

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Hmmm why wouldnt Crystal not try to question her kid about this?

Who is keeping Ron Jr.while the blushing babysitter is taking her honeymoon in N.Y?

[caphill]

KTee, do you know Ron and Misty personally that you have such strong hostility and hatred for them? Your post seems to have such bitterness to Ron and Misty for someone that is a stranger to them.

Are you a family member or a friend of the Sheffield family?

[Adalena935]

It's looked like a copycat (Read: Caylee Anthony case; lies lies and more lies) crime to me from the start. I see from the links thread they've renewed searching so dad decided it's a good time to marry the last to have seen the child alive (so she can't testify against him is my guess). If teenage g/f turned wife in lieu of helping search were telling the truth she wouldn't have inconsistencies in her stories and FBI long ago would've cleared them as suspects. As we see - that hasen't happened. http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

I'm confident FBI will solve this case.

[MoonFlwr]

Hi posters

caphill, I replied to your last post on the old thread before I realised there was a new one.

I so agree with you that pictures/videos of Ron with his children showed the delight he felt towards them and being with them!

[odyssey]

I hope they are arrested soon. Maybe LE will be waiting for them as soon as they return home from their travels.

All the while this child most likely lay dead, somewhere, rotting. I do not believe she is alive, and that 1/2 hour before 911 was called gave RC plenty of time to make sure that his little bride, did exactly as he told her to do.

..snipped.. let's say for length ..

Kat

Wow .. somebody needs a hug.

[aproudmom]

KTee, do you know Ron and Misty personally that you have such strong hostility and hatred for them? Your post seems to have such bitterness to Ron and Misty for someone that is a stranger to them.

Are you a family member or a friend of the Sheffield family?

oh Pleeez everyone has their own opinions and who is to say that they can not express them. It DOES NOT mean it is someone on the mothers side my goshhhh. everyone has a opinion but some want to question everyones other than their own..I may not agree with some post but I do not question them I just give my own.

[Babes]

Good Morning

Thanks for opening up new thread....
Up to now - am on the fence... leaning towards Misty knew more than what she's talking...With Ron - I dont know, i see him as a confused father who started to show real emotions from the beginning and when he learned he is infront of the camera 0 things possibly changed - but i dont know the real him for me to conclude more...

Many suspects on this case - friends, family, neighbors, SO in the areas, parents and god knows who else.... I hope that one day someone will start talking and i hope that - that day isnt too late yet.. IMO....

[aproudmom]

Hi posters

caphill, I replied to your last post on the old thread before I realised there was a new one.

I so agree with you that pictures/videos of Ron with his children showed the delight he felt towards them and being with them!

pictures and videos don't always mean something did not happen as we have seen in many cases. I never thought RC had anything to do with this not so sure about his new bride but I will set back and watch and hope someone slips up even if it is some stranger in the night taking kids from a bed 3 to 4 feet away from a babysitter/girlfriend/wifey now.

Does anyone know if there is any new searches going on or is everyone waiting on a meter reader to take care of it in a few months cause it sure is not looking good with so many days going by. I pray to GOD I am wrong but I am afriad this is not going to turn out like we all want.

[caphill]

Hi posters

caphill, I replied to your last post on the old thread before I realised there was a new one.

I so agree with you that pictures/videos of Ron with his children showed the delight he felt towards them and being with them!


I did see your response to my post. Since I don't know any of the people involved I can only form an opinion on what I see. I don't Ron or anybody else could fake the joy on his face in the pics with his children. Also I don't think Ron could fake the pure anguish on his face when he was being interviewed when his daughter was missing from his home.

It appears to me that he is not comfortable with the camera and the media in his face. I think he is angry at all the accusations thrown his way. I am not so sure that I could handle that situation as well as he is doing if my child were missing. I thought he exercised great restraint with Geraldo. I am not a fighting person but had that have been me I might had made Geraldo eat his mike.

I also think the LE has asked him, Misty or all other family members to not discuss any details of the investigations. He, as stated by LE, has been cooperating with LE and putting his trust in LE to investigate and try to find his daughter.

[aproudmom]

Normally, I would say you are correct, but that particular post is clearly seething with hate. If not, it's a great imitation. In fact, it's quite frightening to read. To post an opinion is one thing. Nowhere at the end of the post did I see it noted: IMO..............:confused: It was posted as though said poster "KNOWS" the facts, and clearly he/she does not. I think the inquiry was valid. IMO :scared::scared:

I must say it was hard to read and very scary but I guess I have seen some always think it is a family member and hey it could be for all we know. I did not mean to sound rude cause that is not me but I have got some attacks on here when I was just giving a opinion.
I pray this baby is ok it is just getting so scary because of the time that has passed and we have nothing I pray LE knows more.

[Babes]

Great post! You've summed it perfectly. There is absolutely not one single piece of evidence that points in his direction. That's why it's so ridiculous, to me, that "some" have "asserted" that he is guilty of killing his daughter. Never mind that there is no proof that she is no longer living, but there's also nothing to implicate him!!! IMO

It's clear why we have a judicial system in place in this country. If we didn't, "some" would scoop him up, and hang him. No trial, no need for evidence; just hang 'em!!! Just like the Salem Witch Trials. IMO :scared::scared:

I dont think Ron harm his daughter as well.

[aproudmom]

I did see your response to my post. Since I don't know any of the people involved I can only form an opinion on what I see. I don't Ron or anybody else could fake the joy on his face in the pics with his children. Also I don't think Ron could fake the pure anguish on his face when he was being interviewed when his daughter was missing from his home.

It appears to me that he is not comfortable with the camera and the media in his face. I think he is angry at all the accusations thrown his way. I am not so sure that I could handle that situation as well as he is doing if my child were missing. I thought he exercised great restraint with Geraldo. I am not a fighting person but had that have been me I might had made Geraldo eat his mike.

I also think the LE has asked him, Misty or all other family members to not discuss any details of the investigations. He, as stated by LE, has been cooperating with LE and putting his trust in LE to investigate and try to find his daughter.

I really think he needs to have someone else to talk for him since GR played that crap about a drug informant he has not wanted to talk to the media and that was so freaking uncalled for GR could have put his other child in danger with that question. imo

[Babes]

Do we get information on the VAN now? Can a good sleuther check the owner of this van that Misty mentioned? Where is this van now?

[aproudmom]

I dont think Ron harm his daughter as well.

I have said I did not either I think it is the what he has done such as getting a tat which that did not even bother me his body he can do as he pleases and then the marrying Misty really made people look at him diff. I hope misty is not holding things back because she has already said many times she passed a LDT and no LE has said that.:confused:

[Babes]

I have said I did not either I think it is the what he has done such as getting a tat which that did not even bother me his body he can do as he pleases and then the marrying Misty really made people look at him diff. I hope misty is not holding things back because she has already said many times she passed a LDT and no LE has said that.:confused:


I see your point. I dont see Ron harming his daughter but i dont think his actions are also right but there could be more to this that we cant see. We dont know the real Ron ( whether he is involve with drugs or not ) , maybe as this case progress then we can see more of him and then we can form a different opinion. As of right now, for me, his demeanor changed , marrying someone while your kid is missing is out of my dictionary , it could be his own business but this case is hitting the National TV and every actions will be scrutinized.....

[aproudmom]

Has anyone heard any more from this bounty hunter or PI what ever he is (COBRA)? he said there would be a huge break in this case very soon. I think that was a few days ago

He also said drug dealers don't steal children but people do steal kids to sell them:confused:if I am incorrect as to what he said please correct me it just really didn't make since to me at all.

[aproudmom]

I was watching NG repeat of course when they went through the home with TN and it got me thinking. I am wondering did Misty ever say she got up to use the bathroom on the other side of the house or just that when she woke she got up to use the bathroom and then saw a light on in the kitchen. From what I see if the bedroom door was open she could have seen the light on not meaning she was going to the other bathroom cause I could not figure out why she did not use the restroom that was in the master bedroom instead of walking across the living room down the hall to the other one because that was a big ???mark for me as to why she would go to that bathroom instead of the one in the same room she was sleeping in. I am just trying my hardest to figure out what her story is and why they say it has changed many times. One other thing the doors shut themself so I have heard misty finally found the pink shirt by the door but was it what was holding the door open??cause something had to both doors shut on their own.
and they said a cinder block was holding the door open not DOORS.

[SwineFeld]

I just watched her Today Show interview again and she says "I woke up at 3. And I got up to use the bathroom and I noticed the kitchen light was on. So I walked to (or through) the kitchen and that's when I seen the back door was open."

Anyway, sounds to me like she would have used the bedroom bathroom had she not noticed the light on. NOT the other one.

I was watching NG repeat of course when they went through the home with TN and it got me thinking. I am wondering did Misty ever say she got up to use the bathroom on the other side of the house or just that when she woke she got up to use the bathroom and then saw a light on in the kitchen. From what I see if the bedroom door was open she could have seen the light on not meaning she was going to the other bathroom cause I could not figure out why she did not use the restroom that was in the master bedroom instead of walking across the living room down the hall to the other one because that was a big ???mark for me as to why she would go to that bathroom instead of the one in the same room she was sleeping in. I am just trying my hardest to figure out what her story is and why they say it has changed many times. One other thing the doors shut themself so I have heard misty finally found the pink shirt by the door but was it what was holding the door open??cause something had to both doors shut on their own.
and they said a cinder block was holding the door open not DOORS.

[caphill]

Do we get information on the VAN now? Can a good sleuther check the owner of this van that Misty mentioned? Where is this van now?


There is still confusion on the van. Misty was less than coherent when she was muttering about the blankets and the van. Whatever she was talking about I am sure LE has drilled her on it. She may have been talking about the bedding and blankets LE took the night of the abduction. It may have been a police van.

LE is certainly not going to clarify it or verify it.

[Adalena935]

I did see your response to my post. Since I don't know any of the people involved I can only form an opinion on what I see. I don't Ron or anybody else could fake the joy on his face in the pics with his children. Also I don't think Ron could fake the pure anguish on his face when he was being interviewed when his daughter was missing from his home.

It appears to me that he is not comfortable with the camera and the media in his face. I think he is angry at all the accusations thrown his way. I am not so sure that I could handle that situation as well as he is doing if my child were missing. I thought he exercised great restraint with Geraldo. I am not a fighting person but had that have been me I might had made Geraldo eat his mike.

I also think the LE has asked him, Misty or all other family members to not discuss any details of the investigations. He, as stated by LE, has been cooperating with LE and putting his trust in LE to investigate and try to find his daughter.

dad was on the Today Show crowing he & g/f passed their polygraph tests & that they've both been cleared as suspects so I don't see how you can say he's following LE's requests in regards to not talking about the case to media.

LE immediately told media no such things are true - re what dad boasted about himself & g/f being cleared & passing any polygraphs.


http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

[SwineFeld]

I think those two, Ron and Misty, just assume they passed it just based on the fact that they haven't been arrested.

Knowing them, they probably think "Well if I were guilty and failed the test they would have arrested me by now." When that's not always the case. JMO

[aproudmom]

It's looked like a copycat (Read: Caylee Anthony case; lies lies and more lies) crime to me from the start. I see from the links thread they've renewed searching so dad decided it's a good time to marry the last to have seen the child alive (so she can't testify against him is my guess). If teenage g/f turned wife in lieu of helping search were telling the truth she wouldn't have inconsistencies in her stories and FBI long ago would've cleared them as suspects. As we see - that hasen't happened. http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

I'm confident FBI will solve this case.


I have said they are watching everyone and I guess I was right about one thing If misty has nothing to hide or has changed her story I just wish either they would get a PR person or a lawyer to advise them on what they need to do cause misty is only making herself look more involved than maybe she is by saying I DONT know why my story has changed just sends off huge red flags a lawyer would have advised her to never say that or they would have answered for her by saying she is 17 and feels bad she did not wake she was questioned during a hard time and so on..We all know lawyers will work for free the one that contacted crystal saw her on TV and contacted her crystal did not hire a lawyer the women felt sorry for her.. so I wonder if any has come to misty or RC...

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

[aproudmom]

I think those two, Ron and Misty, just assume they passed it just based on the fact that they haven't been arrested.

Knowing them, they probably think "Well if I were guilty and failed the test they would have arrested me by now." When that's not always the case. JMO

ITA I think they are watching everyone they have pretty much said they feel they know were RC was during those 8 hours but misty they have not said anything other than she could hold the key to finding Haleigh. I think LE are doing alot more than we know cause they can not arrest anyone because of a LDT they have to have more.

[aproudmom]

I wake up in the middle of the night and of course Little Haleigh is on my mind.

This time I really was talking to myself..LOL...I was Saturday night's thread.

Ok, I have a lot of reading to do to catch up..but, it looks like a couple of people are on..can you please tell me " who" this Kruger person is?

ahh I did the same thing Kruger person ok I missed that one also.

[Adalena935]

In the United States 91.5% of perpetrators of child abuse are a biological parent. Not saying Ron harmed Haleigh but it remains a possibility in this unsolved case.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm06/chapter5.htm

[caphill]

Has anyone heard any more from this bounty hunter or PI what ever he is (COBRA)? he said there would be a huge break in this case very soon. I think that was a few days ago

He also said drug dealers don't steal children but people do steal kids to sell them:confused:if I am incorrect as to what he said please correct me it just really didn't make since to me at all.

He did say something to that effect. He also said something about knowing about people who steal children to sell. I have read of in investigation in Fla of people suspected of abduction of children to sell for foreign adoptions. I have had thoughts of that in reading other of small children missing in the Fla and Texas that were found. I notice many of the missing children had dark hair and eyes and could blend into different foreign countries.

Little Sabrina Aisenberg of Tampa was taken out of her crib in the middle of the night to never being found. I always suspected she was taken to be sold into an adoption ring.

I hope COBRA is on to something.

[Adalena935]

Hey Viking!
I have a feeling there might be some trouble brewing amongst the Cummings clan after LE all but cleared Ron and pointed the finger squarely at Misty. I think Misty is the odd man out now that they know she has wasted 4 weeks of LE man hours playing games. IMO the FBI was behind the statements LE made to the media. Trouble in the family is music to their ears. I just bet they are questioning anything that has ever came out of Misty's mouth!!

I sure have never heard of anyone passing a LDT with inconsistent statements. To me that is an impossibility.

Maybe law enforcement sees the 17-yr-old g/f/wife as the weakest link in the case.

This link following dad& g/f/wife's Today show; LE tells media nobody is eliminated connected to this case as a suspect.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

[aproudmom]

I hope they are arrested soon. Maybe LE will be waiting for them as soon as they return home from their travels.

All the while this child most likely lay dead, somewhere, rotting. I do not believe she is alive, and that 1/2 hour before 911 was called gave RC plenty of time to make sure that his little bride, did exactly as he told her to do.

Puppets are like that. RC wants you all to know, he dont no nuthin, he was at work, that beacth got his child stole!! He threw little bride under the bus during that 911 call.

I think someone early on got an idea in their head, kill a child, become famous. RC, you don't have any expert fooled.

I can already hear the jingling of the chains they will both be wearing.
Please remember that not all murdered children are found by LE and they are builiding a case right now. When LE is taking apart your home piece by piece and looking in the woods behind your home, they are not on board that someone "stole my chil' out of my bed"......

It's bizarre, it's a bold faced lie, and LE will set the story straight one day, for every one. And, if Haleigh is found, rest assured she will tell us exactly what her daddy did. Even if forensically. She will tell what Misty was really like. Sad to know that this weekend, there was no outcry for a massive search for this baby....chances are she is within a 2 mile radius of that "home". Everyone in that area should be checking their septics, wells, sheds and any other standing building or crack house in the area. Please if you live in that surrounding area, look over every inch of your property, for little Haleigh.
Kat

Kat
I pray you are wrong and little Haleigh comes home safe I know the longer it goes we have to wonder if she is ok but keep the (HOPE) for Haleigh.

[caphill]

In the United States 91.5% of perpetrators of child abuse are a biological parent. Not saying Ron harmed Haleigh but it remains a possibility in this unsolved case.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm06/chapter5.htm


It is known that Haleigh attented school that day and was seen at the house long after Ron went to work. I am sure his employment has verified that he worked a full shift that night until 3am.

I think LE knows that while Ron was at work his daughter disappeared sometime between around 7:00pm and 3:00am. Their initial report showed between 10:00 and 3:27.

I assume that initial time was based on when Misty said she last saw Haleigh. Since that time some members of LE have said the timeline was between 7ish and 3:27.

LE may still have doubts regarding Misty but they don't seem to have any doubts about Ron.

[aproudmom]

He did say something to that effect. He also said something about knowing about people who steal children to sell. I have read of in investigation in Fla of people suspected of abduction of children to sell for foreign adoptions. I have had thoughts of that in reading other of small children missing in the Fla and Texas that were found. I notice many of the missing children had dark hair and eyes and could blend into different foreign countries.

Little Sabrina Aisenberg of Tampa was taken out of her crib in the middle of the night to never being found. I always suspected she was taken to be sold into an adoption ring.

I hope COBRA is on to something.

I pray he is on to something he seemed so upfront that he knew a break would come soon I hate when people say that and then dont have anything. I have heard it in other cases and then they have nothing. but I am keeping hope for this child.

[aproudmom]

Maybe law enforcement sees the 17-yr-old g/f/wife as the weakest link in the case.

This link following dad& g/f/wife's Today show; LE tells media nobody is eliminated connected to this case as a suspect.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

Just wondering are they back from NY I hate this is not being talked about on the news just wondering if they are still in NY or back anyone know? I am starting to think if something does not happen soon the media will forget about little Haleigh.

[caphill]

I pray he is on to something he seemed so upfront that he knew a break would come soon I hate when people say that and then dont have anything. I have heard it in other cases and then they have nothing. but I am keeping hope for this child.


He certainly very loudly tooted his own horn. His claim of finding 8000 perps in few years was a little hard to believe. I don't know why he thinks he can track down a kidnapper in a few days when many hundreds of LE haven't been able to trace her.

[Adalena935]

It is known that Haleigh attented school that day and was seen at the house long after Ron went to work. I am sure his employment has verified that he worked a full shift that night until 3am.

I think LE knows that while Ron was at work his daughter disappeared sometime between around 7:00pm and 3:00am. Their initial report showed between 10:00 and 3:27.

I assume that initial time was based on when Misty said she last saw Haleigh. Since that time some members of LE have said the timeline was between 7ish and 3:27.

LE may still have doubts regarding Misty but they don't seem to have any doubts about Ron.

LE in their press conferences always said they're holding facts of this case close to the vest to preserve the integrity of the investigation. From the beginning LE told the public ".....keep in mind.....this is what they're telling us......we aren't certain..." SOURCE: CNN, Fox News

To keep the discussion in perspective one fact we do know is US govt statistics; 91.5% of children are harmed by biological parents. You have the link.

The opposite of what you say - Bowling in this link telling media no one is cleared as a suspect in this case.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

[Adalena935]

Just wondering are they back from NY I hate this is not being talked about on the news just wondering if they are still in NY or back anyone know? I am starting to think if something does not happen soon the media will forget about little Haleigh.

re NY if you're talking about the honeymooners I have no idea. The media will cover it when there's a break in the case & I think there will be. Media never has covered this case as much as some others. Maybe because LE has kept info close to the vest to preserve the integrity of the investigation as they said at their press conferences.

[Adalena935]

I have said they are watching everyone and I guess I was right about one thing If misty has nothing to hide or has changed her story I just wish either they would get a PR person or a lawyer to advise them on what they need to do cause misty is only making herself look more involved than maybe she is by saying I DONT know why my story has changed just sends off huge red flags a lawyer would have advised her to never say that or they would have answered for her by saying she is 17 and feels bad she did not wake she was questioned during a hard time and so on..We all know lawyers will work for free the one that contacted crystal saw her on TV and contacted her crystal did not hire a lawyer the women felt sorry for her.. so I wonder if any has come to misty or RC...

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

I do have confidence in LE/FBI that they're investigating this case and will solve it.

The media is the greatest gift of a tool to have privilege of when your child is missing. Why would they hate the media and need to lawyer up?

If my child were missing I wouldn't care what anyone thought of me. Ron did tho. Ironically he didn't bar them from his wedding or bother to help in the renewed search for his missing child. Instead he opted to crow on the Today Show about how he passed his polygraph & wasn't a suspect even though FBI/LE says his boasts are not true.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

[aproudmom]

How sick can someone really be to steal from a missing child.:cursing:
I am sure I just missed this I did not know crystals mom drove a school bus either I am thinking she has took time off since we see her alot I am sure it will be even harder for her to look at all those kids when she knows her grandchild is missing. I have not seen crystal b/f for some time I am almost sure I heard she is looking for a place to rent closer. Wonder if she has found some place to stay since the tents had to come down.

Janitor charged with stealing Haleigh Cummings reward money
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29666380/

[aproudmom]

I do have confidence in LE/FBI that they're investigating this case and will solve it.

The media is the greatest gift of a tool to have privilege of when your child is missing. Why would they hate the media and need to lawyer up?

If my child were missing I wouldn't care what anyone thought of me. Ron did tho. Ironically he didn't bar them from his wedding or bother to help in the renewed search for his missing child. Instead he opted to crow on the Today Show about how he passed his polygraph & wasn't a suspect even though FBI/LE says his boasts are not true.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

OK I have been ask and ask why they would need a lawyer it does not mean they are showing they are guilty of anything just because you get a lawyer. PLEASE look at what they are doing LE has said pretty much misty needs to clear up things they have talked to her alot most would have had a lawyer by now. I do not know why some feel a lawyer means guilt or keeps saying why would they need one MISTY does need one and I will say it over and over I am shocked no lawyer has came to her rescue and told her to keep her mouth shut without them being there. I have heard Mark L. and Marc Klass even say they need one and they have both been in thier shoes and were not guilty of anything. JMO

[beachpatty]

Good Morning Folkes;

I participated in life offline yesterday and it sure looks like I missed a bunch. I scanned around and I better get caught up!

Did Moonie makes us fresh coffee? O, Moonie???

Does anyone know or did media mention when Ron & Misty are coming back from NY? Since Ron made the move to get married, maybe he plans to go back to work, buy a house? At what point can you begin to make those decisions, if my child was missing,
I would feel like I had a huge gaping hole in me, I don't know that I could concentrate on doing a job.

Sorry for all the questions, I need more coffee.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[MoonFlwr]

Good Morning Folkes;

I participated in life offline yesterday and it sure looks like I missed a bunch. I scanned around and I better get caught up!

Did Moonie makes us fresh coffee? O, Moonie???

Does anyone know or did media mention when Ron & Misty are coming back from NY? Since Ron made the move to get married, maybe he plans to go back to work, buy a house? At what point can you begin to make those decisions, if my child was missing,
I would feel like I had a huge gaping hole in me, I don't know that I could concentrate on doing a job.

Sorry for all the questions, I need more coffee.

Hope for Haleigh
Beachpatty

I wondered when you'd wander in, Miss Patty! :)

Of course there's fresh java! ;) *pour*

Not sure when they get back from NY.

I agree....confounding timing! It's puzzling and I keep trying to work it out in my head! :confused:

[aproudmom]

Good Morning Folkes;

I participated in life offline yesterday and it sure looks like I missed a bunch. I scanned around and I better get caught up!

Did Moonie makes us fresh coffee? O, Moonie???

Does anyone know or did media mention when Ron & Misty are coming back from NY? Since Ron made the move to get married, maybe he plans to go back to work, buy a house? At what point can you begin to make those decisions, if my child was missing,
I would feel like I had a huge gaping hole in me, I don't know that I could concentrate on doing a job.

Sorry for all the questions, I need more coffee.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty


Good Morning Beachpatty
I am not sure if they are back I ask the same but so far no one knows.

[Themis]

Good Morning Night Owls:

I just found this and wanted to share. The blog writer may be familiar to some but not all who read here.
Back on Thursday, 3-12, she wrote:

"If the Today Show interview is good and offers some unique insights, I will write up my thoughts over the weekend or by early next week and share it with you."

So I was thinking she might get something up late Sunday or early next week as she indicated. She posted this Saturday, 3-14, at 7:40 PM.

Here are her thoughts about the Today Show interview, 3-13-09.

http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

...........
So far I have only read her thoughts and reactions to the interview. Am leaving here now to go read the Comments Section.

P.S. If this has already been posted apology for duplication [JMO]
Themis

[aproudmom]

LE in their press conferences always said they're holding facts of this case close to the vest to preserve the integrity of the investigation. From the beginning LE told the public ".....keep in mind.....this is what they're telling us......we aren't certain..." SOURCE: CNN, Fox News

To keep the discussion in perspective one fact we do know is US govt statistics; 91.5% of children are harmed by biological parents. You have the link.

The opposite of what you say - Bowling in this link telling media no one is cleared as a suspect in this case.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txt

Well Misty calls herself her mommy. Thanks for the stats was going to look it up so you saved me some time thanks alot

[RainyNiteNTx]

OK I have been ask and ask why they would need a lawyer it does not mean they are showing they are guilty of anything just because you get a lawyer. PLEASE look at what they are doing LE has said pretty much misty needs to clear up things they have talked to her alot most would have had a lawyer by now. I do not know why some feel a lawyer means guilt or keeps saying why would they need one MISTY does need one and I will say it over and over I am shocked no lawyer has came to her rescue and told her to keep her mouth shut without them being there. I have heard Mark L. and Marc Klass even say they need one and they have both been in thier shoes and were not guilty of anything. JMO

I agree with what you say. For their sake Ron and Misty probably do need a lawyer, but I hope they do not get one. That would probably stop any talk at all from either of them without heavy censorship. I also wonder why no one has stepped up to help them, but rather are helping Crystal when she wasn't even involved as far as being in the same town, being in the house, can't contribute to any of the details of that night, etc.

[aproudmom]

Good Morning Night Owls:

I just found this and wanted to share. The blog writer may be familiar to some but not all who read here.
Back on Thursday, 3-12, she wrote:

"If the Today Show interview is good and offers some unique insights, I will write up my thoughts over the weekend or by early next week and share it with you."

So I was thinking she might get something up late Sunday or early next week as she indicated. She posted this Saturday, 3-14, at 7:40 PM.

Here are her thoughts about the Today Show interview, 3-13-09.

http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

...........
So far I have only read her thoughts and reactions to the interview. Am leaving here now to go read the Comments Section.

P.S. If this has already been posted apology for duplication [JMO]
Themis

Themis me and you must have been reading it at the same time I was not sure if I could post it on here or not so I didn't This person really does have alot of insight into things. I also noticed he/she will not even do much on casey because we all know she is a liar. If you get a chance if you haven't yet watch the video on RC just the day after I was shocked by some of his comments to the media about when it is time I will throw out the trash or something like that. thanks for posting it

have a wonderful day

[crymeariver2006]

Good Morning Night Owls:

I just found this and wanted to share. The blog writer may be familiar to some but not all who read here.
Back on Thursday, 3-12, she wrote:

"If the Today Show interview is good and offers some unique insights, I will write up my thoughts over the weekend or by early next week and share it with you."

So I was thinking she might get something up late Sunday or early next week as she indicated. She posted this Saturday, 3-14, at 7:40 PM.

Here are her thoughts about the Today Show interview, 3-13-09.

http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

...........
So far I have only read her thoughts and reactions to the interview. Am leaving here now to go read the Comments Section.

P.S. If this has already been posted apology for duplication [JMO]
Themis

Thank you!

[Themis]

Themis me and you must have been reading it at the same time I was not sure if I could post it on here or not so I didn't This person really does have alot of insight into things. I also noticed he/she will not even do much on casey because we all know she is a liar. If you get a chance if you haven't yet watch the video on RC just the day after I was shocked by some of his comments to the media about when it is time I will throw out the trash or something like that. thanks for posting it

have a wonderful day
How about that, ProudMom -- and I didn't even 'see' you there. ;-)
I don't know why we shouldn't share this information; it is directly related to the Haleigh case. I only put up a link, I did not copy the entire article; that would likely be in violation of copyright laws. JMO

[beachpatty]

I just read a post elsewhere, I won't link it because I am not sure if that is acceptable here. It is local rumor, can I post the rumor, without quoting or verbatum?

TIA

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[aproudmom]

How about that, ProudMom -- and I didn't even 'see' you there. ;-)
I don't know why we shouldn't share this information; it is directly related to the Haleigh case. I only put up a link, I did not copy the entire article; that would likely be in violation of copyright laws. JMO

oh I was just not sure so I didnt but glad you did I found it the other night and pointed alot out to me I even kept it under my favorites so I could go back and read after the Today show once again thanks for posting it:thumbsup:

[aproudmom]

I just read a post elsewhere, I won't link it because I am not sure if that is acceptable here. It is local rumor, can I post the rumor, without quoting or verbatum?

TIA

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

Morning beachpatty
I am not sure but if not can you send it to me in a PM.

[n/t]

I just read a post elsewhere, I won't link it because I am not sure if that is acceptable here. It is local rumor, can I post the rumor, without quoting or verbatum?

TIA

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

Rumours are not allowed, patty. You may want to share it in a PM with whomever is interested. Me first.

Good Morning all!

[2boysMom]

Good Morning Night Owls:


Here are her thoughts about the Today Show interview, 3-13-09.

http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

...........
So far I have only read her thoughts and reactions to the interview. Am leaving here now to go read the Comments Section.

P.S. If this has already been posted apology for duplication [JMO]
Themis

Wow. She sure doesn't try to hide her disdain for Ron and Misty. I'd find her more credible if she didn't seem so biased against them.

[aproudmom]

Rumours are not allowed, patty. You may want to share it in a PM with whomever is interested. Me first.

Good Morning all!

NO n/t I ask first I love rumors..lol

morning to you also

[crymeariver2006]

NO n/t I ask first I love rumors..lol

morning to you also

Hey, what about me!

:tonguewag:

[aproudmom]

Wow. She sure doesn't try to hide her disdain for Ron and Misty. I'd find her more credible if she didn't seem so biased against them.

I think you can read alot about a person by their actions she wont read to much into people who she knows is a lying I just read alot of the comments that were left and it was before she posted that and alot said about the same as she did before she even posted it.

[n/t]

I was watching one of those MSNBC Dateline reruns and one of the attorneys said "Truth is truth. It doesn't change with time". This was a cold case tried after 20 years.

I do have problems with Misty's inconsistencies. Truth doesn't change. And one of the many red flags was her body language on the Today Show especially when she looked at Ron for the answer to one of the questions being asked of her.

Now, I understand she's only 17 and who knows maybe she is trying to hide something from Ron that may get her in trouble....perhaps she left the door open or she was out when an intruder took Haleigh or whatever the case may be. BUT Misty is now faced with a grown up serious crime and she must step up to the plate. She is the last one to have seen Haleigh and she holds the answers to many of the questions. Afterall, daddy has an alibi and reminds us everytime he's in front of a camera.

Misty needs to lawyer up now.

IMO

[Texas48]

And yet your post a few posts up-thread that claims she has "crystal balls" has no jmo, imo or moo. You may take her post as "seething with hate" but I take it as her own opinion and that my friend, is what she is entitled to.

JMOYou are correct as usual Viking...IMO...Some forget that this is what WE/Board is all about..We find faught w/someone's post or their opinion and yet turn around and do the same. Anyone can clearly tell that post was Kat's opinion. Is is funny when we do not agree and want to pick a poster's post apart we use the ole "is this fact or Opinions" or "provide a link"....Always seems to be the comeback. Different posters/different opinions are what WE are about and we should always keep this in mind. We discuss horriffic crimes that gets to each and everyone of us..especially when a child is the victim..The least we could do is respect each other.JMO:wub:

[beachpatty]

pm check please

[Texas48]

Good Morning

Thanks for opening up new thread....
Up to now - am on the fence... leaning towards Misty knew more than what she's talking...With Ron - I dont know, i see him as a confused father who started to show real emotions from the beginning and when he learned he is infront of the camera 0 things possibly changed - but i dont know the real him for me to conclude more...

Many suspects on this case - friends, family, neighbors, SO in the areas, parents and god knows who else.... I hope that one day someone will start talking and i hope that - that day isnt too late yet.. IMO....Good morning to you. ITA about Misty and as for Ron...not so sure that he was "confused". I see him in many ways and every time I do it gets worse. His interview on Today show did it for me. I think that was the real Ron. Can't tell you an exact reason..quess I can call it the ole hinky meter.lol..jmo

[Themis]

oh I was just not sure so I didnt but glad you did I found it the other night and pointed alot out to me I even kept it under my favorites so I could go back and read after the Today show once again thanks for posting it:thumbsup:
You're welcome, ProudMom. As I said earlier I only posted the link and did not copy the text. Copying an entire article from another website would be wrong -- I get that.

Here's my thoughts. The newspaper business is rapidly shrinking because people are getting so much news off the Internet. Newspapers are going under right and left. I prefer the written word and I buy 7-9 newspapers a week.

I don't know of a website that does not use commercials including ... this one. Commercials underwrite websites; each time we change pages here, new commercials are displayed.

By providing links, posters here access those websites increasing their 'hit' count = more sponsors = more money.

Would any of us be reading the Satsuma Scribe (LOL) were it not for this website? Seriously! InSessions Message Board financially benefits and so does the Satsuma Scribe. [JMO]

[Texas48]

I see your point. I dont see Ron harming his daughter but i dont think his actions are also right but there could be more to this that we cant see. We dont know the real Ron ( whether he is involve with drugs or not ) , maybe as this case progress then we can see more of him and then we can form a different opinion. As of right now, for me, his demeanor changed , marrying someone while your kid is missing is out of my dictionary , it could be his own business but this case is hitting the National TV and every actions will be scrutinized.....Very good post babes. ITA that we do not know the "real" Ron and for that matter we do not know the "real"Misty". Each day comes and we see more and learn more and uor opinions change on a regular basis. jmo

[~jomomma~]

There is still confusion on the van. Misty was less than coherent when she was muttering about the blankets and the van. Whatever she was talking about I am sure LE has drilled her on it. She may have been talking about the bedding and blankets LE took the night of the abduction. It may have been a police van.

LE is certainly not going to clarify it or verify it.

but, it can't be the police van

misty said....about the night in question...her blanket was in the van, she took the blanket off the window and washed that one and haleigh's......

police weren't even involved yet for it to be in their van?

[aproudmom]

You are correct as usual Viking...IMO...Some forget that this is what WE/Board is all about..We find faught w/someone's post or their opinion and yet turn around and do the same. Anyone can clearly tell that post was Kat's opinion. Is is funny when we do not agree and want to pick a poster's post apart we use the ole "is this fact or Opinions" or "provide a link"....Always seems to be the comeback. Different posters/different opinions are what WE are about and we should always keep this in mind. We discuss horriffic crimes that gets to each and everyone of us..especially when a child is the victim..The least we could do is respect each other.JMO:wub:

:thumbup:to that thanks so much ITA

[Texas48]

Has anyone heard any more from this bounty hunter or PI what ever he is (COBRA)? he said there would be a huge break in this case very soon. I think that was a few days ago

He also said drug dealers don't steal children but people do steal kids to sell them:confused:if I am incorrect as to what he said please correct me it just really didn't make since to me at all. I wread the link that was provided about "Cobra." From what I understand he is more of a bounty hunter but I may be wrong. There is a video and the one thing I do know is that he did not wear a black hat and was not chewing on a toothpick.lol..come to think about it..I almost miss Lenny.loljmo

[~jomomma~]

Rumours are not allowed, patty. You may want to share it in a PM with whomever is interested. Me first.

Good Morning all!

i know you'll share with me :wub:

[Texas48]

I was watching NG repeat of course when they went through the home with TN and it got me thinking. I am wondering did Misty ever say she got up to use the bathroom on the other side of the house or just that when she woke she got up to use the bathroom and then saw a light on in the kitchen. From what I see if the bedroom door was open she could have seen the light on not meaning she was going to the other bathroom cause I could not figure out why she did not use the restroom that was in the master bedroom instead of walking across the living room down the hall to the other one because that was a big ???mark for me as to why she would go to that bathroom instead of the one in the same room she was sleeping in. I am just trying my hardest to figure out what her story is and why they say it has changed many times. One other thing the doors shut themself so I have heard misty finally found the pink shirt by the door but was it what was holding the door open??cause something had to both doors shut on their own.
and they said a cinder block was holding the door open not DOORS.Screen door was propped open w/cinder block and wood interior door was kept open w/clothes. Misty's statement on her getting up to find Haleigh gone has changed several times. Time will tell..jmo

[Texas48]

I think those two, Ron and Misty, just assume they passed it just based on the fact that they haven't been arrested.

Knowing them, they probably think "Well if I were guilty and failed the test they would have arrested me by now." When that's not always the case. JMO
The word "ASSUME" has gotten many people in trouble. KWIM..lol

[aproudmom]

After One Week Advocate Krueger Is Out!

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Family-Advocate-Out/8iP23JfsQ0eg5Q4r0Kw_EQ.cspx


I wonder what caused Krueger to leave so abruptly.

Boy makes you kinda wonder why all of a sudden and no reason why:confused:

[n/t]

i know you'll share with me :wub:

Of course as soon as I get it. Still waiting. lol

[crymeariver2006]

After One Week Advocate Krueger Is Out!

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Family-Advocate-Out/8iP23JfsQ0eg5Q4r0Kw_EQ.cspx


I wonder what caused Krueger to leave so abruptly.

Come to think of it, she was originally supposed to be the spokesperson for Crystal. But she never spoke.

IMO, she was instrumental in getting Picazio on board and Picazio was instrumental in getting Cobra on board. That may have been her goal all along.

Unlike Picazio, Kruegar doesn't live in Florida so it may have been a hardship for her to stay away that long. Or it could be for other reasons.

I'll wait and see how this plays out. :wink:

Good to "see" you this morning!

[n/t]

After One Week Advocate Krueger Is Out!

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Family-Advocate-Out/8iP23JfsQ0eg5Q4r0Kw_EQ.cspx


I wonder what caused Krueger to leave so abruptly.


What exactly was her role? Maybe she wasn't needed anymore because the attorney will handle it.

[aproudmom]

I wread the link that was provided about "Cobra." From what I understand he is more of a bounty hunter but I may be wrong. There is a video and the one thing I do know is that he did not wear a black hat and was not chewing on a toothpick.lol..come to think about it..I almost miss Lenny.loljmo

LOL I know someone find OLenny P i kinda miss him. I am shocked he has not been rolling in to get someone to talk he thought he could casey..lol:laugh:

[aproudmom]

What exactly was her role? Maybe she wasn't needed anymore because the attorney will handle it.

But didn't she work for both familys? not just crystal the lawyer is working for only crystal as far as I know. This is a victims av. if I recall

[crymeariver2006]

What exactly was her role? Maybe she wasn't needed anymore because the attorney will handle it.

That's what I'm thinking.

[Texas48]

I pray he is on to something he seemed so upfront that he knew a break would come soon I hate when people say that and then dont have anything. I have heard it in other cases and then they have nothing. but I am keeping hope for this child.Exactly mom...I can remember LP saying he would be able to find Caylee in 1 week. They all seem to want to blow their horn..my take on it is..put up or shut up..lol

[n/t]

But didn't she work for both familys? not just crystal the lawyer is working for only crystal as far as I know. This is a victims av. if I recall

No clue. That's why I asked. I read this so I assumed she worked for Crystal.

--


Kim Picazio, an attorney representing the Sheffield family, released the following statement Saturday.

"Wanted to thank Kruger for her emotional support.... but at this time she is not associated, affiliated or working for Picazio or the Sheffield family."


http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Family-Advocate-Out/8iP23JfsQ0eg5Q4r0Kw_EQ.cspx

[Texas48]

LE in their press conferences always said they're holding facts of this case close to the vest to preserve the integrity of the investigation. From the beginning LE told the public ".....keep in mind.....this is what they're telling us......we aren't certain..." SOURCE: CNN, Fox News

To keep the discussion in perspective one fact we do know is US govt statistics; 91.5% of children are harmed by biological parents. You have the link.

The opposite of what you say - Bowling in this link telling media no one is cleared as a suspect in this case.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txtExcellent points and post and ITA...NO ONE has been cleared.jmo

[Texas48]

I do have confidence in LE/FBI that they're investigating this case and will solve it.

The media is the greatest gift of a tool to have privilege of when your child is missing. Why would they hate the media and need to lawyer up?

If my child were missing I wouldn't care what anyone thought of me. Ron did tho. Ironically he didn't bar them from his wedding or bother to help in the renewed search for his missing child. Instead he opted to crow on the Today Show about how he passed his polygraph & wasn't a suspect even though FBI/LE says his boasts are not true.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/03/14/news/news01.txtITA again w/your post. I, for one, am glad Ron/Misty got married. Before that event the media/tv shows were falling behind in reporting on Haleigh. Then ...BAM...Reporting went wild and little Haleigh wasa back up front as she should be. jmo

[Texas48]

Good Morning Folkes;

I participated in life offline yesterday and it sure looks like I missed a bunch. I scanned around and I better get caught up!

Did Moonie makes us fresh coffee? O, Moonie???

Does anyone know or did media mention when Ron & Misty are coming back from NY? Since Ron made the move to get married, maybe he plans to go back to work, buy a house? At what point can you begin to make those decisions, if my child was missing,
I would feel like I had a huge gaping hole in me, I don't know that I could concentrate on doing a job.

Sorry for all the questions, I need more coffee.

Hope for Haleigh :wub:
BeachpattyOH MY Good morning Patty. I was woundering where you were at this am. Hoping we have a good day today.:wub:

[odyssey]

No clue. That's why I asked. I read this so I assumed she worked for Crystal.

--


Kim Picazio, an attorney representing the Sheffield family, released the following statement Saturday.

"Wanted to thank Kruger for her emotional support.... but at this time she is not associated, affiliated or working for Picazio or the Sheffield family."


http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Family-Advocate-Out/8iP23JfsQ0eg5Q4r0Kw_EQ.cspx


Yes, but Kruger also stated that all of the proceeds from her book would be going to Crystal .. but her book has been out of print for nine or ten years. The link to the proceeds I no longer have since Crystal nixed showing her myspace comments, and to find out her book is not in print anymore .. just try to order it .. anywhere .. i think someone here said they looked at amazon and only used copies were there.

jmoo

[n/t]

Yes, but Kruger also stated that all of the proceeds from her book would be going to Crystal .. but her book has been out of print for nine or ten years. The link to the proceeds I no longer have since Crystal nixed showing her myspace comments, and to find out her book is not in print anymore .. just try to order it .. anywhere .. i think someone here said they looked at amazon and only used copies were there.

jmoo

I didn't know that. In my original post I asked what Kruger's role was. Do you know?

[Owlface]

OK I have been ask and ask why they would need a lawyer it does not mean they are showing they are guilty of anything just because you get a lawyer. PLEASE look at what they are doing LE has said pretty much misty needs to clear up things they have talked to her alot most would have had a lawyer by now. I do not know why some feel a lawyer means guilt or keeps saying why would they need one MISTY does need one and I will say it over and over I am shocked no lawyer has came to her rescue and told her to keep her mouth shut without them being there. I have heard Mark L. and Marc Klass even say they need one and they have both been in thier shoes and were not guilty of anything. JMO

If Misty wasn't guilty of something, had done nothing wrong, why on earth couldn't she answer any question LE asked without having a lawyer advise her? They are asking questions to FIND HALEIGH, why on earth would she not want to cooperate with that, answer any question LE asked. Only is she's guilty would she not want to freely answer questions, IMOO

[odyssey]

I didn't know that. In my original post I asked what Kruger's role was. Do you know?

She was supposed to be her spokesperson. There is a link that should be in the links section(if it isn't it is probably in the thread from two or three days ago) stating Crystal was looking for a spokespersons and an attorney .. Kruger was the spokesperson .. then there was an article sort of "outing her" as a comedian since her myspace in on the comedian section of it-i read that article yesterday following links given here but if you want me to find it i will.
Let me go look for that.
Did not take long lol .. http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d10-Haleighs-mother-hires-comedian-as-spokesperson
second link when i googled it ha
ETA also found the link originally saying she was the spokesperson
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=133403&provider=top


jmoo

[kitty1182]

Good morning..praying for some news today.....

I still think Misty knows what really happen....

[n/t]

She was supposed to be her spokesperson. There is a link that should be in the links section(if it isn't it is probably in the thread from two or three days ago) stating Crystal was looking for a spokespersons and an attorney .. Kruger was the spokesperson .. then there was an article sort of "outing her" as a comedian since her myspace in on the comedian section of it-i read that article yesterday following links given here but if you want me to find it i will.
Let me go look for that.
Did not take long lol .. http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d10-Haleighs-mother-hires-comedian-as-spokesperson
second link when i googled it ha
jmoo

Thanks. So the reason could be that Crystal's attorney wants to avoid any controversy and/or there is no need for a spokesperson anymore. Who knows. I don't think it really matters as long as Crystal has an attorney and this attorney is doing what needs to be done in hopes of finding what happened to Haleigh.

[kitty1182]

IMO, lots of lies are being told, and I just don't understand why. I would think all who loved Haleigh would want to tell the truth. It intriques me that truth seems to have taken a back seat with many whose lifes Haleigh touched.


http://www.paulekman.com/



(I love that show, lie to me)

I don't understand the lies either....All of this is starting to reming me of the CA case....

[Peaches]

Hi posters

caphill, I replied to your last post on the old thread before I realised there was a new one.

I so agree with you that pictures/videos of Ron with his children showed the delight he felt towards them and being with them!

I agree. And, do posters not see the laughter in the eyes of these children as well as on their faces. The know that dady love them.

Everytime Crystal is on tv she is saying to HaLeigh...........mommy loves you; daddy loves you. Even Crystal knows that Ron loves these children.

Why would anyone think that he would hurt them.

I can not see that!

all moo

[beachpatty]

for all the pm's

Post #942

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11268&page=95


I hope I can post this, if I can't, please let me know in time to delete it???

sorry, I went to cook breakfast :(


Hope for Haleigh :wub:
Beachpatty

[KKKKKKatie]

I just watched her Today Show interview again and she says "I woke up at 3. And I got up to use the bathroom and I noticed the kitchen light was on. So I walked to (or through) the kitchen and that's when I seen the back door was open."

Anyway, sounds to me like she would have used the bedroom bathroom had she not noticed the light on. NOT the other one.

I am on the fence.....but I am puzzled by Misty's change of stories. However, to me, it sounds like she got up, started to the bathroom (hers?) and then could, in the dark, see that the light was on (from her room). That makes sense to me IMO

[*MoonRider*]

In the United States 91.5% of perpetrators of child abuse are a biological parent. Not saying Ron harmed Haleigh but it remains a possibility in this unsolved case.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm06/chapter5.htm

Here are murder statistics for the Dept. of Justice.

Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976-2005 --

31% were killed by fathers
29% were killed by mothers
23% were killed by male acquaintances
7% were killed by other relatives
3% were killed by strangers
Of those children killed by someone other than their parent, 81% were killed by males.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm

[kitty1182]

Good morning everyone. In my experience, one of the main reasons people lie, is because they are hiding something. That anyone is lying during this investigation, is very troublesome, imo.

Good morning Sis..I agree....Lying shows some guilt to me..imo

[n/t]

I am on the fence.....but I am puzzled by Misty's change of stories. However, to me, it sounds like she got up, started to the bathroom (hers?) and then could, in the dark, see that the light was on (from her room). That makes sense to me IMO

Morning :wub:


Her inconsistencies are troublesome. I think she's hiding something Katie. I don't know what or why. Maybe she's afraid she'll be sent to jail if she tells the truth even if she was not directly involved with Haleigh's disappearance. Example: Something to do with drugs or she had someone in the home that wasn't supposed to be there - a sex offender or some other illegal activity? The gun comes to mind.

Maybe Ron knows and that's why they're both in this together. That's why she keeps looking at him for answers. To me, she looks scared. Very scared.

[n/t]

I think a spokesman is a conflict of interest with an attorney. They both do the same job. And if you are wanting to give the impression of transparency you dont want too many people talking for you.

Yup. Makes sense.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Good morning everyone. In my experience, one of the main reasons people lie, is because they are hiding something. That anyone is lying during this investigation, is very troublesome, imo.

I don't know whether Misty is lying or is confused. Even eye witnesses to a crime when put on the witness stand are made to look foolish in their recap of what happened. For that matter, seasoned investigators look questionable when peppered with question after question.

[Motomom]

I am on the fence.....but I am puzzled by Misty's change of stories. However, to me, it sounds like she got up, started to the bathroom (hers?) and then could, in the dark, see that the light was on (from her room). That makes sense to me IMO

I can see the possibility of that too.

Just been reading the thread today and have so many things I want to post, but I'll just address this. IMO unless LE knows exactly what has taken place, how can anything that Misty says ring true. If they feel she has lied already? How do you determine what isn't a lie kwim? I do think that some of her inconsistencies are normal inconsistencies.. At the same time I find her walking out of LE interviews completely disrespectful. But if she is telling the truth (which I doubt a little) what more can she tell them, if that is what really happened. Same thing with Ron, who I do not believe had any hand in his daughters disappearance, he wasn't there, LE has basically said as much IMO. The easiest answers to questions he cannot answer is I was at work.

[~Dramatica~]

Here are murder statistics for the Dept. of Justice.

Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976-2005 --

31% were killed by fathers
29% were killed by mothers
23% were killed by male acquaintances
7% were killed by other relatives
3% were killed by strangers
Of those children killed by someone other than their parent, 81% were killed by males.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm

I don't see teenage babysitter/girlfriend of father on that list. :ohmy:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Morning :wub:


Her inconsistencies are troublesome. I think she's hiding something Katie. I don't know what or why. Maybe she's afraid she'll be sent to jail if she tells the truth even if she was not directly involved with Haleigh's disappearance. Example: Something to do with drugs or she had someone in the home that wasn't supposed to be there - a sex offender or some other illegal activity? The gun comes to mind.

Maybe Ron knows and that's why they're both in this together. That's why she keeps looking at him for answers. To me, she looks scared. Very scared.

Yes she does - she looks scared.

[JUSTSAYIN]

I think misty is lying about something. I think RC is telling the truth, it's just that he's not a very likeable guy maybe b/c we've all known someone like him - a jerk, a troublemaker, a creep, an abuser of women - but I really don't think he did anything to Haleigh. I think Misty invited someone over maybe 2 do drugs & when she passed out, someone took her. The marriage puzzles me. I had expected RC to drop her over this, not marry her. MOO

[KKKKKKatie]

Morning :wub:


Her inconsistencies are troublesome. I think she's hiding something Katie. I don't know what or why. Maybe she's afraid she'll be sent to jail if she tells the truth even if she was not directly involved with Haleigh's disappearance. Example: Something to do with drugs or she had someone in the home that wasn't supposed to be there - a sex offender or some other illegal activity? The gun comes to mind.

Maybe Ron knows and that's why they're both in this together. That's why she keeps looking at him for answers. To me, she looks scared. Very scared.

Hey you :wub:

I agree with everything you said. She does look very scared to me. This one has me very puzzled!

[Dunlurken]

Good morning..praying for some news today.....

I still think Misty knows what really happen....

Morning everyone! I found something interesting while watching the footage of the mobile home. Did anyone pick up on the fact that the back door swings shut automatically. I'm thinking it's the leveling of the mobile home. So, the screen door was propped up with a cynder block, but the wooden door shuts by itself. hummmmmmm.

So how would Misty have noticed the back door open?

[KKKKKKatie]

I can see the possibility of that too.

Just been reading the thread today and have so many things I want to post, but I'll just address this. IMO unless LE knows exactly what has taken place, how can anything that Misty says ring true. If they feel she has lied already? How do you determine what isn't a lie kwim? I do think that some of her inconsistencies are normal inconsistencies.. At the same time I find her walking out of LE interviews completely disrespectful. But if she is telling the truth (which I doubt a little) what more can she tell them, if that is what really happened. Same thing with Ron, who I do not believe had any hand in his daughters disappearance, he wasn't there, LE has basically said as much IMO. The easiest answers to questions he cannot answer is I was at work.


The only thing I can say Moto is that they must have more info than we do. I have read before from LE that the lies are in the details. Maybe that is where Misty is tripping herself up...if she is???

[IlliniFan]

Morning everyone! I found something interesting while watching the footage of the mobile home. Did anyone pick up on the fact that the back door swings shut automatically. I'm thinking it's the leveling of the mobile home. So, the screen door was propped up with a cynder block, but the wooden door shuts by itself. hummmmmmm.

So how would Misty have noticed the back door open?


The wooden door, slowly shuts to about 6 inches of complete closure.....I does not close completely on its own....(this is the interior door) imo

I'm sure in that walkthrough the wooden door stays "ajar."

[KKKKKKatie]

Morning everyone! I found something interesting while watching the footage of the mobile home. Did anyone pick up on the fact that the back door swings shut automatically. I'm thinking it's the leveling of the mobile home. So, the screen door was propped up with a cynder block, but the wooden door shuts by itself. hummmmmmm.

So how would Misty have noticed the back door open?

It could be that it got stuck open (or someone stuck it open) with the laundry on the floor that Theresa mentioned was always there on the NG show???

[n/t]

Morning everyone! I found something interesting while watching the footage of the mobile home. Did anyone pick up on the fact that the back door swings shut automatically. I'm thinking it's the leveling of the mobile home. So, the screen door was propped up with a cynder block, but the wooden door shuts by itself. hummmmmmm.

So how would Misty have noticed the back door open?

The laundry room is right across. It's been speculated that someone may have taken a piece of clothing from the laundry room and placed it on the floor to stop the wooden door from shutting. It was demonstrated on Nancy Grace.

[Money Girl]

Would love for someone to clear this up for me.

I thought Ron has said, he picked Haleigh up from the school bus that day, no?

Then why did Theresa tell NG that she picked Haleigh up? And why of all days, would she do that? Was this a steady practise?

Confused.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

I have previously read that the transcript is wrong and that on the show TN said that Ron picked up Haleigh. I have not verified this.

[n/t]

Would love for someone to clear this up for me.

I thought Ron has said, he picked Haleigh up from the school bus that day, no?

Then why did Theresa tell NG that she picked Haleigh up? And why of all days, would she do that? Was this a steady practise?

Confused.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

This was brought up a while ago. IIRC, some said this was a misprint and not what was actually said on NG.

[kitty1182]

Morning everyone! I found something interesting while watching the footage of the mobile home. Did anyone pick up on the fact that the back door swings shut automatically. I'm thinking it's the leveling of the mobile home. So, the screen door was propped up with a cynder block, but the wooden door shuts by itself. hummmmmmm.

So how would Misty have noticed the back door open?


I have not figured that one out.....I still think it was a set-up...imo

[Money Girl]

Hey you :wub:

I agree with everything you said. She does look very scared to me. This one has me very puzzled!

She looks like a petulant, spoiled-brat teenager to me. I personally do not believe a word she says.

[crymeariver2006]

The wooden door, slowly shuts to about 6 inches of complete closure.....I does not close completely on its own....(this is the interior door) imo

I'm sure in that walkthrough the wooden door stays "ajar."

IMO, 6 inches is a pretty generous measurement from what I saw of the demonstration during the walkthru. I'd have to look at it again.

In any event, the wooden door (unless someone placed something in front of it to keep it from closing) wouldn't have been standing "wide open" as Misty claims. IMO

I also don't think she would have seen the screen door "wide open" thru the wooden door.

JMO

The talk about the door, I believe, is one of the "inconsistencies" that Misty has. :wink:

[KKKKKKatie]

Would love for someone to clear this up for me.

I thought Ron has said, he picked Haleigh up from the school bus that day, no?

Then why did Theresa tell NG that she picked Haleigh up? And why of all days, would she do that? Was this a steady practise?

Confused.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html

:confused: She sure did say that....unless the transcript is wrong?? Could they have picked her up together???

[Motomom]

She looks like a petulant, spoiled-brat teenager to me. I personally do not believe a word she says.

yeah, I don't see scared either. I do see defiance though.. and other than that..just FLAT..blah.. no emotion.

[KKKKKKatie]

She looks like a petulant, spoiled-brat teenager to me. I personally do not believe a word she says.

Well there is that too lol But I do think she looks scared also

[KKKKKKatie]

This was brought up a while ago. IIRC, some said this was a misprint and not what was actually said on NG.

Thanks for clearing that up. I must have missed that discussion.

[psbperu]

Here are murder statistics for the Dept. of Justice.

Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976-2005 --

31% were killed by fathers
29% were killed by mothers
23% were killed by male acquaintances
7% were killed by other relatives
3% were killed by strangers
Of those children killed by someone other than their parent, 81% were killed by males.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm


Moonrider:

Some stats eh. Thanks for posting them.

This is one curious case cause apparently there are few if any clues as to what happened the night Haleigh disappeared.

Although I was hopeful that LE would find this child alive...that hope is growing dimmer & dimmer with each passing day.

Still can't get over Ron & Misti getting married. Such an empty gesture at this time & for me just so much bologna about Haleigh wanting them to get married (according to Misti). Just my opinion.

[n/t]

Hey you :wub:

I agree with everything you said. She does look very scared to me. This one has me very puzzled!

I will go with my original gut instinct and theory that someone took Haleigh out of revenge on Ron, however the bed wetting has me questioning whether Misty or Ron punished her and something went horribly wrong and they're now covering up. The problem I have with that scenario is where would they have disposed of her body and why aren't there any clues. Maybe there are and we just haven't been told yet.

Another possibility, if drugs were in the house, could Haleigh have ingested these drugs by accident?

[kate482000]

The pink shirt has me puzzeled...Misty said she was wearing it, but then it was found in the house..that to me is a little weird....:confused:

[odyssey]

:confused: She sure did say that....unless the transcript is wrong?? Could they have picked her up together???
The transcript IS wrong. This was spoken about but i dont remember what day. If you listen to the actual interview you will hear she said that her son picked Haleigh up.

[Money Girl]

Going back over links, etc., I don't think anyone saw Haleigh after school the day she disappeared except for members of Ronald's and Misty's families.

[Money Girl]

I found the posting on WS by Soulscape last night at 11:20 pm to be extremely depressing.

[n/t]

This is a long read, but I find it fascinating to see what tactics LE used in breaking down Susan Smith. IMO, the Putnam County LE seem to be employing some of what was used in the Susan Smith case.


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/smith/invest_7.html

This part was interesting.....I thought Miranda rights were only read when someone is charged with the crime not when the potential suspects are being questioned.:confused:

Two days after the carjacking, on Thursday, October 27, 1994, both David and Susan submitted to polygraph tests administered by the FBI. Susan and David each read and signed a form advising them of their Miranda rights, their right to remain silent, their right to an attorney, and their right to stop talking to investigators.

[Motomom]

This is a long read, but I find it fascinating to see what tactics LE used in breaking down Susan Smith. IMO, the Putnam County LE seem to be employing some of what was used in the Susan Smith case.


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/smith/invest_7.html

Thanks for the link Swar. Is an interesting read.. This is from that link

Caldwell asked Susan about her children's fussiness and asked Susan, "is that why you killed them?" Susan slammed her fist on the table and said, "You son of a b——-! How can you think that!" Susan got up from her chair and left the office where the interview was taking place yelling, "I can't believe that you think I did it!"

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/smith/invest_7.html

Interesting that Misty got up and left LE because they were basically accusing her of lieing.. after all.. she didn't DO IT.. so that jumped out at me in the SS interview..

[Pat]

Going back over links, etc., I don't think anyone saw Haleigh after school the day she disappeared except for members of Ronald's and Misty's families.

I don't consider that to be suspicious. My GD was dropped off (school bus) at my house every day before my son found his own home. There was rarely anyone out and I would say maybe she was seen by a neighbor maximum once a week, if that often.

On a normal day, she wasn't seen after school by anyone but her Dad. Until we went on DST, it got dark so early there wasn't enough time left in the evening after homework and dinner for her to go out, plus it was cold.

It is a different story now. Stays lighter longer, so she has time to go out and play after homework and before dinner, and is seen by other kids and parents. She's 10, Haleigh was 5, and do we know if there were other children her age in the area she knew?

[Money Girl]

I don't consider that to be suspicious. My GD was dropped off (school bus) at my house every day before my son found his own home. There was rarely anyone out and I would say maybe she was seen by a neighbor maximum once a week, if that often.

On a normal day, she wasn't seen after school by anyone but her Dad. Until we went on DST, it got dark so early there wasn't enough time left in the evening after homework and dinner for her to go out, plus it was cold.

It is a different story now. Stays lighter longer, so she has time to go out and play after homework and before dinner, and is seen by other kids and parents. She's 10, Haleigh was 5, and do we know if there were other children her age in the area she knew?


The difference is Haleigh disappeared and Misty's stories keep changing.

[?noanswer]

I agree with what you say. For their sake Ron and Misty probably do need a lawyer, but I hope they do not get one. That would probably stop any talk at all from either of them without heavy censorship. I also wonder why no one has stepped up to help them, but rather are helping Crystal when she wasn't even involved as far as being in the same town, being in the house, can't contribute to any of the details of that night, etc.

I think this lawyer is there for custody for Crystal. Out digging up info on RC. The lawyer seems to be angry about something. Don't know if it is her personal life or something about this saga. I see
Wayanne Kruger has already left the building. (Link on Link thread). Lawyer won't give reason why, but maybe not wanting to share 15 min. of fame. JMO

[psbperu]

I am not so inclined as to think this was a stranger abduction.

Coming into a bedroom where a child is sleeping at floor level just feet away from Misty in her bed? I have walked into bedrooms quietly so as not to waken anyone in bed, that can be done.

I think it would take some strenth to scoop a child up in your arms from floor level without making any noise. This is a 5 year old not a baby.

Just a thought.

[?noanswer]

I wake up in the middle of the night and of course Little Haleigh is on my mind.

This time I really was talking to myself..LOL...I was Saturday night's thread.

Ok, I have a lot of reading to do to catch up..but, it looks like a couple of people are on..can you please tell me " who" this Kruger person is?

http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=491739816

According to a link on the links page she is no longer involved. JMO

[Money Girl]

I just spent the last hour watching videos of the Feb 17th broadcast, and in this segment, you can't qualify that the transcript was wrong. Theresa volunteers an answer as to who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop. I admit her statement is somewhat difficult to hear, but it is possible the transcript is not wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI

moo

I could not understand TN either.

[?noanswer]

Good Morning Night Owls:

I just found this and wanted to share. The blog writer may be familiar to some but not all who read here.
Back on Thursday, 3-12, she wrote:

"If the Today Show interview is good and offers some unique insights, I will write up my thoughts over the weekend or by early next week and share it with you."

So I was thinking she might get something up late Sunday or early next week as she indicated. She posted this Saturday, 3-14, at 7:40 PM.

Here are her thoughts about the Today Show interview, 3-13-09.

http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

...........
So far I have only read her thoughts and reactions to the interview. Am leaving here now to go read the Comments Section.

P.S. If this has already been posted apology for duplication [JMO]
Themis

Does she have any qualifications in this field of work or is she a poster who is fortunate to have her own blog site, unlike we poster on here have to use this forum? JMO

[?noanswer]

After One Week Advocate Krueger Is Out!

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Family-Advocate-Out/8iP23JfsQ0eg5Q4r0Kw_EQ.cspx


I wonder what caused Krueger to leave so abruptly.

Could it be the other new players in this saga don't want to share the 15 minutes? JMO

[Money Girl]

Oh, I have been meaning to ask and please forgive me if this has been discussed.

Does anyone think Ron - only learned about Misty's ever changing stories on the Today show?

I would think he would have already picked up on it, but at the same time he kind of seemed shocked.

I also felt on the Today show he was angry with someone - Was it finding out about Misty after he was already at the show?...or ..Merideths (sp) questions?...or do people think it was somthing else?

MOO


The newsclip about Haleigh they showed just prior to Meredith's interview of Ron and Misty may have angered them. That was the first time I had heard LE make such an announcement about Misty; maybe it was the first time they heard it also. I even wondered if Ron knew she walked out of the questioning on the day of the wedding!

[kitty1182]

I am not so inclined as to think this was a stranger abduction.

Coming into a bedroom where a child is sleeping at floor level just feet away from Misty in her bed? I have walked into bedrooms quietly so as not to waken anyone in bed, that can be done.

I think it would take some strenth to scoop a child up in your arms from floor level without making any noise. This is a 5 year old not a baby.

Just a thought.

I don't buy it either!!!!!

[?noanswer]

Morning everyone! I found something interesting while watching the footage of the mobile home. Did anyone pick up on the fact that the back door swings shut automatically. I'm thinking it's the leveling of the mobile home. So, the screen door was propped up with a cynder block, but the wooden door shuts by itself. hummmmmmm.

So how would Misty have noticed the back door open?

Somewhere I heard that it swing to within 6" of shutting. I also heard that it was blowing back and forth with the wind. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I could not understand TN either.


I heard..."yes she was...my son picked her up from the bus stop"

Hard to hear but I listened several times...

IMO

[?noanswer]

This is a long read, but I find it fascinating to see what tactics LE used in breaking down Susan Smith. IMO, the Putnam County LE seem to be employing some of what was used in the Susan Smith case.


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/smith/invest_7.html

IIRC correctly while the investigator was questioning SS, he finally looked at her and said something like , I know you did this and you know you did this, lets stop messing around. Those are in no way meant to be the exact words. JMO

[summer4meplz]

thanks for the link Kitty and MoneyGirl......very interesting stuff....what a mystery astrology is......it's probably a miracle both these children weren't snatched under the circumstances of their extremely crime ridden families....imo....the only ppl I have much sympathy for are the children of these ppl.....the grown ups make me sick.....:thumbdown:

[?noanswer]

This part was interesting.....I thought Miranda rights were only read when someone is charged with the crime not when the potential suspects are being questioned.:confused:

Two days after the carjacking, on Thursday, October 27, 1994, both David and Susan submitted to polygraph tests administered by the FBI. Susan and David each read and signed a form advising them of their Miranda rights, their right to remain silent, their right to an attorney, and their right to stop talking to investigators.

If LE wants to be on the safe side, they will do this right away. I think they had a good idea that SS was the one that was responsible for this. If they do question someone and don't read them the Miranda act, then if they do get incriminating evidence, it can not be used in trial. I think something like this made some of Couey's statements not admissable at trial.

JMO

[teresa]

But didn't she work for both familys? not just crystal the lawyer is working for only crystal as far as I know. This is a victims av. if I recall

I'm way behind aproudmom so sorry if this is already answered. She was an advocate for Crystal only, not Ron.

[Motomom]

I'm way behind aproudmom so sorry if this is already answered. She was an advocate for Crystal only, not Ron.

I believe that to be true. Interesting that she is all of a sudden done, I thought she has said she'd be there with Crystal till the end. Maybe she saw the way it was headed, as far as the custody issue?

[teresa]

Morning everyone! I found something interesting while watching the footage of the mobile home. Did anyone pick up on the fact that the back door swings shut automatically. I'm thinking it's the leveling of the mobile home. So, the screen door was propped up with a cynder block, but the wooden door shuts by itself. hummmmmmm.

So how would Misty have noticed the back door open?

In an interview with Detective S, he said the wind was blowing the door back and forth. It shuts but doesn't latch.

[playnice]

Ive always felt that Ron had nothing to do with this but I wouldnt bet my home on it. Everyone is a suspect. I was thinking about something else . With the announcement that Misti and Ron are getting married LE bring Misti back in and start getting tough with her and she walks out. They get married and appear on the today show. LE starts talking immediately about Misti. The say they are satisfied with Ron.
What if they really arent and if they start going after Misti and she thinks she may be arrested that she will break down and tell. Make Ron feel secure and the heat on Misti. Maybe they are going after Misti to get to Ron , Misti being the weak link.
Im so confused about this case. I dont trust either family. It will be interesting to see if a family member on either side did something or took her, if a stranger SO took her or if this whole thing was a scam for money. Even Crystals mom could have some to take her because the way they have behaved through this whole thing its more about revenge against Ron than a missing child.
I see many possible endings in this case and any one of the family could be involved or not involved.

[CANDYKISSES]

I just spent the last hour watching videos of the Feb 17th broadcast, and in this segment, you can't qualify that the transcript was wrong. Theresa volunteers an answer as to who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop. I admit her statement is somewhat difficult to hear, but it is possible the transcript is correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI

moo

It sounds like "MY SON PICKED HER UP FROM THE BUS STOP" to me.

Maybe your speakers need to be adjusted IMO.

Also, is the white truck Ron's?

Just maybe that was a nickname before, thus the change. I certainly would have changed it if so given his current life crisis. But that's JMO as I am sure those seeking to string him up would have been up in arms themselves had he left it there.

ALL MY OPINION, but I see nothing nefarious about Teresa and the idea of CNN having an error in a transcript. FGS, you need to look at some of the other transcripts if you have never seen an error before IMO. :ohmy:

[playnice]

I am wondering if maybe Haleigh got ahold of some pills or drugs and maybe died before Ron got home and Misty got afraid and had her brother come and get rid of her body then makeing up the story that she now tells. ....just a thought

Its possible. I wouldnt rule out anything happening or anyone right now without more info coming out. The only thing I do think is Misti does know more than she is telling. That look on the Today show said it all.

[crymeariver2006]

I just spent the last hour watching videos of the Feb 17th broadcast, and in this segment, you can't qualify that the transcript was wrong. Theresa volunteers an answer as to who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop. I admit her statement is somewhat difficult to hear, but it is possible the transcript is correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI

moo

Interesting comments from Dr. Bethany Marshall in light of what she said the other night about Crystal. (In reference to Misty being afraid of Ron, but in her opinion the other night, Crystal's now the bad guy for wanting to make sure Jr.'s in a safer environment?)

That doesn't even compute. If one girlfriend slash babysitter is afraid of Ron, why is it so difficult to believe that Crystal was once (and maybe still) afraid of Ron?

JMO

[Adalena935]

ITA again w/your post. I, for one, am glad Ron/Misty got married. Before that event the media/tv shows were falling behind in reporting on Haleigh. Then ...BAM...Reporting went wild and little Haleigh wasa back up front as she should be. jmo

I did see a snippet of the wedding in passing. You're right, it did seem to bring the case back into the media moreso than it had been before that.

[crymeariver2006]

Ive always felt that Ron had nothing to do with this but I wouldnt bet my home on it. Everyone is a suspect. I was thinking about something else . With the announcement that Misti and Ron are getting married LE bring Misti back in and start getting tough with her and she walks out. They get married and appear on the today show. LE starts talking immediately about Misti. The say they are satisfied with Ron.
What if they really arent and if they start going after Misti and she thinks she may be arrested that she will break down and tell. Make Ron feel secure and the heat on Misti. Maybe they are going after Misti to get to Ron , Misti being the weak link.
Im so confused about this case. I dont trust either family. It will be interesting to see if a family member on either side did something or took her, if a stranger SO took her or if this whole thing was a scam for money. Even Crystals mom could have some to take her because the way they have behaved through this whole thing its more about revenge against Ron than a missing child.
I see many possible endings in this case and any one of the family could be involved or not involved.

Didn't the investigator say that they were satisfied that "Ron doesn't know where Haleigh is"?

[sammy]

Oh, I have been meaning to ask and please forgive me if this has been discussed.

Does anyone think Ron - only learned about Misty's ever changing stories on the Today show?

I would think he would have already picked up on it, but at the same time he kind of seemed shocked.

I also felt on the Today show he was angry with someone - Was it finding out about Misty after he was already at the show?...or ..Merideths (sp) questions?...or do people think it was somthing else?

MOO

Hello horse ...
No, I don't believe Ron only learned of Misti's ever changing stories that day.
Ron strikes me as a man with some street-smarts. (just like Misti)
There is no way he has alluded doing any jail time/pay any real consequences with all the things on his arrest record - without him having some awareness of what is going on around him. He knows how to work the system. JMO

It is painfully obvious to all of America that Misti has changed her story many times - no way he has not also picked up on that.

This is JMO ... but I believe Ron + Misti are in cahoots with the whole disappearance.
A few different scenario's could have occurred, but something along the lines of one of them taking their anger at little Haliegh wetting the bed too far that night - and a terrible thing happened to the child.
No way would Ron cover for Misti if he thought she had something to do with Haliegh's disappearance - unless he is somehow involved in this just as much.
(again JMO)

The truth is the truth.
The truth does not change.
Misti has changed too many details - too many times.
Ron has his flat statement of "I don't know anything - I was at work'.
Both of them are in this up to their eyeballs .... IMO.

As for Ron's anger on the Today show ...
I think he was angry at Merideth for daring to ask some REAL questions about what happened that night.
He didn't have his posse (Momma TN, et al) around to back up their ridiculous ever changing stories.

I can only imagine how frustrating it is for LE with these 2 during their multiple interviews.
Ron ... his flat statement of "I don't know anything - I was at work".
Misti ... different stories/different days. Her "I dunno" answer when pressed as to why her stories keep changing.

I pray that with this new PI coming in, Crystal getting an attorney, LE carefully watching the Today show, etc ... that something may break in this case soon.

All JMO.

[playnice]

I cant wait to see footage of the newly wed couple returning home.
They sure didnt look happy on The Today show. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall this weekend . I think it was an interesting honeymoon. :biggrin:

[CANDYKISSES]

Could it be the other new players in this saga don't want to share the 15 minutes? JMO

I might have to disagree here. I am reminded of Mark NeJame and his sympathy for the CA family....but he didn't have a clue as to what they were really all about, not to mention two spokespersons for Octomom....they knew not what they were in for IMO.

So here we have Crystal and lately coming off as sympathetic character attracting some postive energy with resources; however when you look closer such as the myspace pages for her and the Sheffield camp, the transcripts preceding the custody arrangement, the child support issue and the appearance of her moving on with life having another child out of wedlock, it's a hard sell for domestic abuse and leaving the little ones behind IMOO.

I think she has been told now to clean it up and show her anguish over Haleigh so she can crawl out of this tragedy with a small amount of dignity. It seems to be about how it looks once again from my POV.

:sad:It was posted on her myspace that she took care of the brats, but it seemed Chloe and Chad were in a different class from the postings IMOO.

[MrLucky917B]

Its possible. I wouldnt rule out anything happening or anyone right now without more info coming out. The only thing I do think is Misti does know more than she is telling. That look on the Today show said it all.

When they first showed them you could tell something wasn't right, then they showed the clip mentioning the inconsistencies and it was downhill from there. I wonder when they found out what LE was really thinking because even during the interview they said that they were not suspects. Ron wasn't even wearing anything about Haleigh that I could see.

JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I might have to disagree here. I am reminded of Mark NeJame and his sympathy for the CA family....but he didn't have a clue as to what they were really all about, not to mention two spokespersons for Octomom....they knew not what they were in for IMO.

So here we have Crystal and lately coming off as sympathetic character attracting some postive energy with resources; however when you look closer such as the myspace pages for her and the Sheffield camp, the transcripts preceding the custody arrangement, the child support issue and the appearance of her moving on with life having another child out of wedlock, it's a hard sell for domestic abuse and leaving the little ones behind IMOO.

I think she has been told now to clean it up and show her anguish over Haleigh so she can crawl out of this tragedy with a small amount of dignity. It seems to be about how it looks once again from my POV.

:sad:It was posted on her myspace that she took care of the brats, but it seemed Chloe and Chad were in a different class from the postings IMOO.

Morning CK....do we know that she was referring to her kids? I was thinking that maybe she babysits for others?

I have no idea....just a thought. I admit I didn't see the posting way back.

[cloe23]

Anyone know where Chad Reynolds served his 6 yrs in prison and if he was in general population?

[Politigal]

I was rereading news articles last night and noticed something that leads me to believe Haleigh was more visible in the neighborhood than I originally thought.

Ok, the landlords Phyllis & Donald Bard said Haleigh would come into her yard while she was hanging clothes. From what I can tell, the landlord lives at 201 Monroe. This is actually just north of the Monroe/Tyler intersection.

Then, neighbor James Batchelor said the kids also played in his yard. This is east on Green, across Monroe.

And, we know that Haleigh had a bicyle that she probably rode around the neighborhood as well.

From the Putnam County Property Appraisal site:

201 Monroe - Bard
http://gis.putnam-fl.com/website//publicputnam/viewer.htm?ActiveLayer=15&Query=PARCELID%3d%2739-11-26-8234-0040-0010%27&QueryZoom=Yes

directions from Haleigh’s home to the landlord
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=202+Green+Ln,+FL+32189&daddr=201+monroe,+fl+32189&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=27.22791,55.810547&ie=UTF8&z=18


124 Monroe Alley - Batchelor
http://gis.putnam-fl.com/website//publicputnam/viewer.htm?ActiveLayer=15&Query=PARCELID%3d%2739-11-26-0000-0190-0078%27&QueryZoom=Yes

[?noanswer]

Interesting comments from Dr. Bethany Marshall in light of what she said the other night about Crystal. (In reference to Misty being afraid of Ron, but in her opinion the other night, Crystal's now the bad guy for wanting to make sure Jr.'s in a safer environment?)

That doesn't even compute. If one girlfriend slash babysitter is afraid of Ron, why is it so difficult to believe that Crystal was once (and maybe still) afraid of Ron?

JMO

I'm thinking Crystal is still in love with Ron. Somehow I get the feeling they might still be together if not for her Mom. JMO

[kitty1182]

I cant wait to see footage of the newly wed couple returning home.
They sure didnt look happy on The Today show. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall this weekend . I think it was an interesting honeymoon. :biggrin:

I think so too:biggrin:

[MrLucky917B]

CNN putting out a graber "Has a clue been found on a Florida highway ?"

[playnice]

I'm thinking Crystal is still in love with Ron. Somehow I get the feeling they might still be together if not for her Mom. JMO

Ive wondered if Crystals life might be different if her mom would butt out. I bet she is good at wrecking relationships. She is very controling of crystal and Crystal needs to break free of her.

[playnice]

CNN putting out a graber "Has a clue been found on a Florida highway ?"

I hope so.

[kitty1182]

CNN putting out a graber "Has a clue been found on a Florida highway ?"

Keep us informed.....I have no tv in the computer room anymore and by the time I get to living room, I miss it.

[kate482000]

I was rereading news articles last night and noticed something that leads me to believe Haleigh was more visible in the neighborhood than I originally thought.

Ok, the landlords Phyllis & Donald Bard said Haleigh would come into her yard while she was hanging clothes. From what I can tell, the landlord lives at 201 Monroe. This is actually just north of the Monroe/Tyler intersection.

Then, neighbor James Batchelor said the kids also played in his yard. This is east on Green, across Monroe.

And, we know that Haleigh had a bicyle that she probably rode around the neighborhood as well.

From the Putnam County Property Appraisal site:

201 Monroe - Bard
http://gis.putnam-fl.com/website//publicputnam/viewer.htm?ActiveLayer=15&Query=PARCELID%3d%2739-11-26-8234-0040-0010%27&QueryZoom=Yes

directions from Haleigh’s home to the landlord
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=202+Green+Ln,+FL+32189&daddr=201+monroe,+fl+32189&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=27.22791,55.810547&ie=UTF8&z=18


124 Monroe Alley - Batchelor
http://gis.putnam-fl.com/website//publicputnam/viewer.htm?ActiveLayer=15&Query=PARCELID%3d%2739-11-26-0000-0190-0078%27&QueryZoom=Yes

She rode around the neighborhood on a bike by herself? If so that's a very bad idea....especially in today's world.

[Politigal]

She rode around the neighborhood on a bike by herself? If so that's a very bad idea....especially in today's world.

It appears she played in the neighborhood unsupervised.....I can't imagine allowing a 5 yr old child to do that. I know in a small country community people generally feel more familiar or safer with their neighbors...but you just never know who's out there.

[Adalena935]

Here are murder statistics for the Dept. of Justice.

Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976-2005 --

31% were killed by fathers
29% were killed by mothers
23% were killed by male acquaintances
7% were killed by other relatives
3% were killed by strangers
Of those children killed by someone other than their parent, 81% were killed by males.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm

Thanks for posting that MoonRider. I did google that earlier on in the case. I'm just thinking that at least it remains a possibility that he might have hit the child and she died without him meaning to kill her. The bio-mother and maternal grandmother had a photo of the missing child with two black eyes and a bruise at the bridge of her nose. Court documents filed two years ago regarding his abuse of the children. Maybe the accusations are true and maybe they're not. It's possible it is true and this may have been Haleigh's fate.

[playnice]

It appears she played in the neighborhood unsupervised.....I can't imagine allowing a 5 yr old child to do that. I know in a small country community people generally feel more familiar or safer with their neighbors...but you just never know who's out there.

Unless you are glued to these cases like we are I dont think you realize how dangerous it is out there. You try to tell the younger generation and they think you are paranoid.

[kate482000]

It appears she played in the neighborhood unsupervised.....I can't imagine allowing a 5 yr old child to do that. I know in a small country community people generally feel more familiar or safer with their neighbors...but you just never know who's out there.

ITA...there are so many creeps and perverts who are out there looking for young children, it's tragic that we are afraid to let our children play naturally.

[FoxySly]

Wow. She sure doesn't try to hide her disdain for Ron and Misty. I'd find her more credible if she didn't seem so biased against them.

Yup, I put that in the same category as murt & b-predictions which IIRC Coldwater has asked us not to link to such blogs.

Sly

~

[RainyNiteNTx]

I followed the search for Nicholas for awhile. Was there ever any outcome?

Sorry for the OT, folks.

No, no outcome..still gone.

[MrLucky917B]

Thanks Mr. Lucky..Let us know if you hear anything.

You know that last search last week, in one of the late afternoon recaps, there was mention that they were looking for something thrown out a car window.

That's Rte. 17 right?
moo

Yep Highway 17...

[Adalena935]

I don't know whether Misty is lying or is confused. Even eye witnesses to a crime when put on the witness stand are made to look foolish in their recap of what happened. For that matter, seasoned investigators look questionable when peppered with question after question.

That's true. I doubt many cases ever went to trial based solely on words. They have to have evidence to either prove or disprove what's being told to them by those they interview. LE often says that's the reason they do talk to people; so they can clear them.

[Adalena935]

IMO, 6 inches is a pretty generous measurement from what I saw of the demonstration during the walkthru. I'd have to look at it again.

In any event, the wooden door (unless someone placed something in front of it to keep it from closing) wouldn't have been standing "wide open" as Misty claims. IMO

I also don't think she would have seen the screen door "wide open" thru the wooden door.

JMO

The talk about the door, I believe, is one of the "inconsistencies" that Misty has. :wink:

I would take the term 'wide open' several different ways depending on who's doing the telling and in what context. To me 'open' could possibly mean unlocked, but shut. And 'wide open' could mean standing open (regardless of how many inches can be measured)

ie; wide open to me could mean standing open without the latch engaged with the doorjam. hard to explain.

When I was burglarized when I wasn't home the door was open only inches. I called it wide open because it was standing open and not shut to the doorjam. Otherwise I would have called it shut but not locked. wide open to me means you can just push it open all the way without using the door knob.

The part of the country they're from it could mean that I think. Because they both said it was ALWAYS deadbolted otherwise.

[kitty1182]

This is the article i was referring to that tells about something being tossed out onto the side of the road.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-13/story/no_new_leads_but_wedding_bells_ring

I sure hope something is found that relates back to her......This needs to be settled fast, too much time is passing..:sad:

[Adalena935]

Yup, I put that in the same category as murt & b-predictions which IIRC Coldwater has asked us not to link to such blogs. Sly ~

I didn't know we couldn't post blog links. Thanks for the heads up. I have no idea what 'such blogs' indicates. I haven't been able to follow the case for awhile so was glad to get to see the video of their today show interview.

[MrLucky917B]

This is the article i was referring to that tells about something being tossed out onto the side of the road.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-13/story/no_new_leads_but_wedding_bells_ring

LE said this wasn't a new tip, so why did they send TES home and call off the search and not have checked the only main Highway going south from the Cumming's home.

The graber says to tune into NG tomorrow night, don't think they will say anything today.

JMO

[Adalena935]

Just a thought. If Misty is/was so afraid of Ron, why marry him? For that matter, why not just back out and go back home, or somewhere. What kept her there? She did have options.

moo

Good question why anyone does anything at age 17. I'd guess it's more complex a study than just face value. My best friend was married 6X's and my cousin 8 and another cousin 9X's. I still have no idea why they did that even though I've been close to them all of my life. A stranger such as Misty guess your best and put on our tinfoil armchair psych hats. lol

[kitty1182]

LE said this wasn't a new tip, so why did they send TES home and call off the search and not have checked the only main Highway going south from the Cumming's home.

The graber says to tune into NG tomorrow night, don't think they will say anything today.

JMO

Thanks...:smile:

[Money Girl]

This is the article i was referring to that tells about something being tossed out onto the side of the road.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-13/story/no_new_leads_but_wedding_bells_ring

I thought you were talking about the " four 55-gallon trash bags filled with marijuana by the side of an Ocala road." LOL

[nanieliz]

Just a thought. If Misty is/was so afraid of Ron, why marry him? For that matter, why not just back out and go back home, or somewhere. What kept her there? She did have options.

moo
Maybe to Misty..abuse=love! Maybe Misty in her dreams thinks he'll change! Maybe to Misty this is better than being at home! Maybe to Misty there are no ther options! Maybe to Misty this is life as she knows it everywhere!

J.M.O.
NanieLiz

[crymeariver2006]

LE said this wasn't a new tip, so why did they send TES home and call off the search and not have checked the only main Highway going south from the Cumming's home.

The graber says to tune into NG tomorrow night, don't think they will say anything today.

JMO

That means that NG will finally get around to discussing the search that happened last Thursday. :wink:

I've got a dollar that says it won't be anything new.

(Yes, a talking dollar! Imagine that!)

[Adalena935]

Ive always felt that Ron had nothing to do with this but I wouldnt bet my home on it. Everyone is a suspect. I was thinking about something else . With the announcement that Misti and Ron are getting married LE bring Misti back in and start getting tough with her and she walks out. They get married and appear on the today show. LE starts talking immediately about Misti. The say they are satisfied with Ron.
What if they really arent and if they start going after Misti and she thinks she may be arrested that she will break down and tell. Make Ron feel secure and the heat on Misti. Maybe they are going after Misti to get to Ron , Misti being the weak link.
Im so confused about this case. I dont trust either family. It will be interesting to see if a family member on either side did something or took her, if a stranger SO took her or if this whole thing was a scam for money. Even Crystals mom could have some to take her because the way they have behaved through this whole thing its more about revenge against Ron than a missing child.
I see many possible endings in this case and any one of the family could be involved or not involved.

I share your thinking this case is a mystery yet to be solved. I have no idea and just trying to keep an open mind. It could turn out to be anyone.

[Adalena935]

Just curious, do you find it at all strange that you know so many people who have been married so many times? I don't know anyone in my family, extended family, friends, or even acquaintances that have been married half that many times.

I don't quite know how to answer that. Do I find it strange that I know people married that many times? It may or may not be strange but it's sure the truth. ETA: phone call. Large family. vast majority of us have been married only once. The size of the family is unusual according to most people's experience.

[MrLucky917B]

I think the next interview with Misty will start "You have the right to remain silent.........."

JMO

[kitty1182]

I think the next interview with Misty will start "You have the right to remain silent.........."

JMO

I think so too.......

[crymeariver2006]

I think the next interview with Misty will start "You have the right to remain silent.........."

JMO

Yes, but will she have the ability?

:biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

In an interview with Detective S, he said the wind was blowing the door back and forth. It shuts but doesn't latch.

I'm still having a problem with the door. Misty said it was OPEN! She said she went to the bathroom (the OTHER bathroom) saw the backdoor open, went back to the bedroom and found Haleigh missing. She's lying through her teeth. JMO.

I was wondering if two cynder blocks were used. Guess not.

[Dunlurken]

Possible nan, but Misty did have a life before Ron. She strikes me as being quite independent for a 17yr old. I can't see someone coercing her. Just seems like a strange choice to me.

moo

She's 17. High school drop out. How much of a life could she have had? JMO. Misty moved from one dependency to another. Ron being the last. JMOA.

[Adalena935]

I agree with you to a point.
That said, if someone seems to have a tendency to bash others posts and is full of contempt (against the different online groups even) I am curious as to why.
If there is not some type of genuine theory behind the bashing then the next possibility is an underlying agenda. Seems pretty reasonable to suggest that it could be a possibility.
I have asked people what their theory is not because I am questioning their intent but to get maybe a different perspective and see where they are coming from.
First and foremost we all want to try to sort through the clues to help find little Haliegh right?
So I have asked about theories and when I get no response the next possible option is to consider that there most possibly is an agenda at play.
...Just saying.

I don't have a theory or an agenda. I honestly have no idea what happened to haleigh. I'm surprised that you think people have an agenda if they don't have a theory. yikes. lol

[MrLucky917B]

She's 17. High school drop out. How much of a life could she have had? JMO. Misty moved from one dependency to another. Ron being the last. JMOA.

Did she ever go to High School, when did she drop out of school and how long has she been on her own.

[sunstar]

Just a thought. If Misty is/was so afraid of Ron, why marry him? For that matter, why not just back out and go back home, or somewhere. What kept her there? She did have options.

moo

Hi friend! :seeya: Maybe she thinks he's the best thing ever to come into her life and doesn't see him as abusive? She might just be "in love with love" so to speak and like the idea he has a nice mom who seems to accept her, and a nice little family to take care of. MOO

[sunstar]

I think the next interview with Misty will start "You have the right to remain silent.........."

JMO

You just might be right after the last questioning she walked out on. Keep giving LE the runaround and withhold information and she'll find herself the suspect. MOO

[sunstar]

I don't know...Ron was at work.

Once again the standard answer appears! :biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

Hi friend! :seeya: Maybe she thinks he's the best thing ever to come into her life and doesn't see him as abusive? She might just be "in love with love" so to speak and like the idea he has a nice mom who seems to accept her, and a nice little family to take care of. MOO

She's 17. Enough said. She was waving and all happy when going to get married to Ron.

Who was thinking about Haleigh? No one obviously. JMO. BS that Haleigh would have wanted this. She's 5. Who cares what Haleigh wants.

[Adalena935]

I still don't think any of them had anything to do with it. I think LE is trying to get her to admit she wasn't there.

That's a possibility. I've thought of that too. The way ron was so mad and cussed her during the 911 call you'd think he'd push misty for more of an honest answer wouldn't you?

I can't think of a reason why she'd lie to him about that then marry him while lying to LE too. She doesn't seem sophisticated and it's hard to imagine her holding out from the likes of the FBI all these weeks and after all the interrogations they've done with her. That's some weird mysterious stuff in my opinion.

Seems to me she would have cried rather than storm out when the detective played hardball with her as she says he did. Why didn't she stand her ground and fight with him and tell him to get busy finding Haleigh which she loves so much and her new husband loves so dearly?

Why haven't FBI been able to clear her yet?

Because she's hiding important information and thus impeding the finding of the child she and her new hubby claim to love? Love doesn't act like that.

[Dunlurken]

I didn't think any info was ever released on WHICH bathroom she said she went? All I ever heard her say was the bathroom.

That's my point. There is a bathroom right off the "master bedroom", but Misty needed to use the "other bathroom"? ain't buying it. JMO. Her story stinks.

ETA: the other bathroom is down the hall, IIRC.

[kitty1182]

Hey, glad to see you. You could be right, its sad if she really thinks this is the best thing to come into her life. That says her expectations aren't set too high. What is she getting out of all this? A child who has disappeared, two families at odds with each other. A possiblity that some member of the family maybe responsible. Ron, who appears to have one heck of a temper. Hmmm, I think Misty should have not been as hasty as she was.

This photo still haunts me.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4693.440



moo

I've wondered about that too..Looks like her hands might have been burned...imo

[Dunlurken]

My theory is Misty left the house open and went to "score". A sexual predator came in and stole Haleigh. Even Ron knows that, but he left those children alone with a 17 year old, whom he married. THUD!

I think that about sums it up. Haleigh will never be found, maybe a few bones years from now if ever.

ETA: Were these people tested for drug use?

[KKKKKKatie]

I'm just asking..has she specified which bathroom? There could be several reasons why she would have went to the bathroom in the hall. It is possible if the bedroom door was open she saw a light in the other room and just went that way...She did say that she never made it to the bathroom....or her story could just stink. So far I'm not buying all the rumors that have been flying around...

I have never read that she said the "other bathroom" I still think she woke up, got out of bed and headed to her bathroom and on the way noticed that a light was coming from the kitchen. Just makes sense to me (IF she had nothing to do with it)

IMO

[Anakerie]

That's my point. There is a bathroom right off the "master bedroom", but Misty needed to use the "other bathroom"? ain't buying it. JMO. Her story stinks.

ETA: the other bathroom is down the hall, IIRC.
Coming out of lurk mode for a question...

Has there been a statement from anyone that says which bathroom Misty went to? If so, I must have missed reading it....... Got a link?

[Dunlurken]

I've wondered about that too..Looks like her hands might have been burned...imo

If that were the case, why didn't the mother have custody? So many questions. Or did the mother let the hands get burned?

[sunstar]

Hey, glad to see you. You could be right, its sad if she really thinks this is the best thing to come into her life. That says her expectations aren't set too high. What is she getting out of all this? A child who has disappeared, two families at odds with each other. A possiblity that some member of the family maybe responsible. Ron, who appears to have one heck of a temper. Hmmm, I think Misty should have not been as hasty as she was.

This photo still haunts me.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4693.440

moo
OMG ~ I hadn't seen that one before! What happened to her? :crying:

[kitty1182]

I pray she is found today.....Hopefully alive and well, but if that's not the case, she still needs to be found ASAP...I can't bear the thought of another bag of bones.:sad:

[kitty1182]

That is gauze isn't it? Poor little girl. I wonder what happened there?

I sure would like to know....One hand would have been bad, but both?

[SwineFeld]

I posted this yesterday when someone else was asking about which bathroom she used. I guess many people missed it. Anyway, here is what I said:

I just watched her Today Show interview again and she says "I woke up at 3. And I got up to use the bathroom and I noticed the kitchen light was on. So I walked to (or through) the kitchen and that's when I seen the back door was open."

Anyway, like I said back when I first posted this, it sounds to me like she would have used the bedroom bathroom. But as she got up to do so, she noticed the kitchen light was on and went to investigate why it was on (that's when she noticed the back door open). She never said, in this interview or any other (that I know of), that she was going to use the other bathroom outside of their room. I think someone along the way assumed that's what she meant or misunderstood her and then suddenly it became fact. JMO


That's my point. There is a bathroom right off the "master bedroom", but Misty needed to use the "other bathroom"? ain't buying it. JMO. Her story stinks.

ETA: the other bathroom is down the hall, IIRC.

[Dunlurken]

Coming out of lurk mode for a question...

Has there been a statement from anyone that says which bathroom Misty went to? If so, I must have missed reading it....... Got a link?

She saw the kitchen light on. What perp turns on lights? I'm still thinking this through myself. I didn't get the impression you could see the kitchen light from the master bedroom. JMO.

[Adalena935]

I've wondered about that too..Looks like her hands might have been burned...imo

I thought she had white gloves on when I glanced that photo on tv. Looking at it now it looks as if plastic bags are against her skin with white bandages over her hands. Wonder what gives with that. Then there's the two black eyes + 2 sores/marks on her face that Crystal showed the media. Then there's the court documents filed 2 yrs ago that he's abusive to the children.

Two years ago. But oh well she's missing, she was stolen, he loves her and a stranger took her but dad knows it was a single stranger, male by gender.

He sure knows a lot for claiming to be stumped.

[sunstar]

I didn't think any info was ever released on WHICH bathroom she said she went? All I ever heard her say was the bathroom.

And that she didn't even go there after seeing the light on? I think if she were awakened out of a deep sleep needing to use the bathroom she would've headed to the closest one and then maybe on the way back to bed noticed the light on. I'm not buying it either! MOO

[KKKKKKatie]

She saw the kitchen light on. What perp turns on lights? I'm still thinking this through myself. I didn't get the impression you could see the kitchen light from the master bedroom. JMO.


if the house was dark and the light was on in the kitchen of course you could see the light from it. It was right around the corner IMO

[sunstar]

I posted this yesterday when someone else was asking about which bathroom she used. I guess many people missed it. Anyway, here is what I said:

I just watched her Today Show interview again and she says "I woke up at 3. And I got up to use the bathroom and I noticed the kitchen light was on. So I walked to (or through) the kitchen and that's when I seen the back door was open."

Anyway, like I said back when I first posted this, it sounds to me like she would have used the bedroom bathroom. But as she got up to do so, she noticed the kitchen light was on and went to investigate why it was on (that's when she noticed the back door open). She never said, in this interview or any other (that I know of), that she was going to use the other bathroom outside of their room. I think someone along the way assumed that's what she meant or misunderstood her and then suddenly it became fact. JMO
I'm sorry I did miss this post yesterday, and it makes more sense than another more detailed statement she gave where I believe she said she never made it to the bathroom. MOO

[SwineFeld]

The kitchen is pretty much right outside the bedroom, IIRC. So yeah, she would be able to see it. Especially if the bedroom door was open.

She saw the kitchen light on. What perp turns on lights? I'm still thinking this through myself. I didn't get the impression you could see the kitchen light from the master bedroom. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I thought she had white gloves on when I glanced that photo on tv. Looking at it now it looks as if plastic bags are against her skin with white bandages over her hands. Wonder what gives with that. Then there's the two black eyes + 2 sores/marks on her face that Crystal showed the media. Then there's the court documents filed 2 yrs ago that he's abusive to the children.

Two years ago. But oh well she's missing, she was stolen, he loves her and a stranger took her but dad knows it was a single stranger, male by gender.

He sure knows a lot for claiming to be stumped.
Do you have a link to what Crystal said about the 2 sores and two black eyes. I'd like to see those photos (well, not really), but if someone has proof that would be good. JMO.

Why did they get married so fast? A wife and husband cannot be asked to testify against each other.

I had an ineresting thought last night. If the crime occurred before the marriage could that mean anything that happened before the marriage is "fair game"? JMO.

[Adalena935]

Coming out of lurk mode for a question...

Has there been a statement from anyone that says which bathroom Misty went to? If so, I must have missed reading it....... Got a link?

In some of the earlier news articles she said she never made it to the bathroom. Then she said she got up for a drink of water rather than to use the bathroom. Then she changed to musical beds stories and musical rooms also (to which the kids were sleeping in).

Maybe she has stories to include not using ANY bathroom, AND using both bathrooms. One thing for sure she's got plenty of stories.

I keep thinking of her not ever using any bathroom, but that call to nature was enough to wake her up just the same don'tcha know.

[Dunlurken]

The kitchen is pretty much right outside the bedroom, IIRC. So yeah, she would be able to see it. Especially if the bedroom door was open.

Why would a kidnapper turn on the kitchen light? :confused:

[KKKKKKatie]

Do you have a link to what Crystal said about the 2 sores and two black eyes. I'd like to see those photos (well, not really), but if someone has proof that would be good. JMO.

Why did they get married so fast? A wife and husband cannot be asked to testify against each other.

I had an ineresting thought last night. If the crime occurred before the marriage could that mean anything that happened before the marriage is "fair game"? JMO.


that is exactly the law Dunnie...also anything happens to a child there is no privilege IMO

[Money Girl]

I personally think all the talk about bathrooms, washing blankets, open doors, lights on, etc. is just superfulous distractions.

It basically comes down to the fact that Haleigh is missing and the last person we think she was with was Misty. Potentially, the last time anyone saw Misty was when she was on / getting off the school bus.

[SwineFeld]

I agree. That's why I've always said I find it hard to believe that a stranger would just come into a home, not knowing who or what is beyond the door, then turn on a light while inside. Just doesn't make sense.

Why would a kidnapper turn on the kitchen light? :confused:

[odyssey]

I posted this yesterday when someone else was asking about which bathroom she used. I guess many people missed it. Anyway, here is what I said:

I just watched her Today Show interview again and she says "I woke up at 3. And I got up to use the bathroom and I noticed the kitchen light was on. So I walked to (or through) the kitchen and that's when I seen the back door was open."

Anyway, like I said back when I first posted this, it sounds to me like she would have used the bedroom bathroom. But as she got up to do so, she noticed the kitchen light was on and went to investigate why it was on (that's when she noticed the back door open). She never said, in this interview or any other (that I know of), that she was going to use the other bathroom outside of their room. I think someone along the way assumed that's what she meant or misunderstood her and then suddenly it became fact. JMO


She had to go through the kitchen anyway to get to the light to turn it off and would have had a direct line of sight to the back door. I agree with you that what you have said and what she said in the Today interview makes it sound the way you interpreted it.

Another comment I wanted to make.
I have seen others say that you cannot pass a polygraph with inconsistent statements.
I am not certain about that.
I think a person could pass the polygraph as far as the "real" questions (i.e. "Did you have anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance?" "Did you harm Haleigh in any way on the night or morning in question?" whatever they would ask etc.) but still be inconsistent on details like glass of water versus going to pee, things like that.

jmoo

[playnice]

Do you have a link to what Crystal said about the 2 sores and two black eyes. I'd like to see those photos (well, not really), but if someone has proof that would be good. JMO.

Why did they get married so fast? A wife and husband cannot be asked to testify against each other. I had an ineresting thought last night. If the crime occurred before the marriage could that mean anything that happened before the marriage is "fair game"? JMO.

Dunnie TH as well as the statute has been posted here that there is no spousal privilage in a child crime as well as the crime happening before they were married.
I dont know the reason they got married but I think there is a reason and not because Haleigh wanted it. I agree with you. 5 yr olds want alot of things that they dont always get.
Misti looked very happy about it. Ron looked miserable.
The only thing I can think of is Misti is preggers and Ron thought with all that is going on he had better get married this time.

[RainyNiteNTx]

if the house was dark and the light was on in the kitchen of course you could see the light from it. It was right around the corner IMO

Right I agree. She also could have been awakened by a noise and got up and realized she had to go to the bathroom. This could have been simultaneous, but she doesn't remember she heard a noise. I agree that the details are important but sometimes they are analyzed too much IMO.

[Pat]

I thought she had white gloves on when I glanced that photo on tv. Looking at it now it looks as if plastic bags are against her skin with white bandages over her hands. Wonder what gives with that. Then there's the two black eyes + 2 sores/marks on her face that Crystal showed the media. Then there's the court documents filed 2 yrs ago that he's abusive to the children.

Two years ago. But oh well she's missing, she was stolen, he loves her and a stranger took her but dad knows it was a single stranger, male by gender.

He sure knows a lot for claiming to be stumped.

If Crystal had proof Haleigh was being abused, why did she not take this proof to Child Protective Services?

If she did, then CPS evidently investigated and determined there was no cause to remove Haleigh from the home, wouldn't you think?

If Crystal had proof Haleigh was being abused, why didn't she go to court to get those children removed for abuse?

Could it be Crystal was more than satisfied with the custody arrangement? I'm positive Marie is behind all the airing of dirty linen. If Geraldo is so sure Ron abused those children, why hasn't he said more since the "ambush".

Water seeks its own level and IMO Geraldo has found his.

[Dunlurken]

that is exactly the law Dunnie...also anything happens to a child there is no privilege IMO

Okay, so there was no point to them getting married. :confused:

[Mimi428]

Possible nan, but Misty did have a life before Ron. She strikes me as being quite independent for a 17yr old. I can't see someone coercing her. Just seems like a strange choice to me.

moo

A couple of things come to mind when I see both Misty & Ron (& probably others in the families as well).

People in 12-step programs have related that the emotional age you are when you start drinking or drugging (with regularity) is the emotional age you get stuck in. That's why you see people 35, 45, 55 years old showing no more emotional maturity than a 15 year old. Both Misty & Ron, especially Ron (for whatever reasons) seem to be very emotionally immature.

People who have grown up in situation where they are left to their own devices a lot have a tendency to cling very tightly to what they have learned. They do not typically recognize that there are many possible options, their perceptions are more likely to be that there are FEW options. They have their own sort of tunnel vision, they are not typically broad-minded, but are more likely to have some pretty rigid beliefs. Their way is the only way, any other way is 'stupid'.

One of the things that struck me after watching the Today Show is that both Misty & Ron seem to be incapable of understanding WHY people have questions. Misty's attitude seems to be 'here's the story, that's all I remember - THE END'. Ron's seems to be 'I was not at home, I was at work, I don't know - THE END'. They each give me the impression that they think that ALL they had/have to do is say their spiel & that once they have said it - there is NOTHING else that should be asked of them! Now they seem to be in the mode of 'I've told you what I know, don't bother me anymore'.

I would expect someone who was interested in finding their missing child to have some sort of motivation to keep telling their story, keep after the media to keep their story in the forefront of peoples' minds. Misty & Ron don't seem to want to do that - they give me the notion that they somehow thought that all they had to do was say "Haleigh is missing, I don't know why. Please go look for her & if you find her bring her back. Now leave me alone & let me do what I want'.

JMO

[sunstar]

I agree. That's why I've always said I find it hard to believe that a stranger would just come into a home, not knowing who or what is beyond the door, then turn on a light while inside. Just doesn't make sense.

It makes about as much sense as the perp stopping in the laundry room to change Haleigh's shirt. MOO

[VII]

That is all I have heard and read so far too. That is why I was asking.

About the picture...yes it does look like gauze but she is a little girl. She could have had burns, scrapes, or just wanted bandages on a little 'booboo'...or it could be that it isn't gauze at all. Let's not get a 'burn' rumor started...please.

as for the pic w/bandages on her hands ....
perhaps she was playing and managed to get poison ivy/oak on her hands?
wrapped to keep from scratching/infecting other area's of her body?

I read through some of the posts on that website, as one poster stated, if her hands had been burned by boiling water, the finger tips would ALSO have been affected.
I think you can rule out space heater, as she is wearing shorts.

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[SwineFeld]

As far as the poly, I'm sure LE knows which stories of hers show inconsistencies. She has given several different versions of the story so far. LE has to know which version(s) show inconsistencies and which ones don't. That's probably why they keep questioning her over and over again as they are trying to piece this puzzle together. I just wish we could hear which version has inconsistencies and which doesn't.

She had to go through the kitchen anyway to get to the light to turn it off and would have had a direct line of sight to the back door. I agree with you that what you have said and what she said in the Today interview makes it sound the way you interpreted it.

Another comment I wanted to make.
I have seen others say that you cannot pass a polygraph with inconsistent statements.
I am not certain about that.
I think a person could pass the polygraph as far as the "real" questions (i.e. "Did you have anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance?" "Did you harm Haleigh in any way on the night or morning in question?" whatever they would ask etc.) but still be inconsistent on details like glass of water versus going to pee, things like that.

jmoo

[odyssey]

Okay, so there was no point to them getting married. :confused:

Actually, that is true legally speaking lol
At least not one we are privy to.


jmoo

[Money Girl]

Mimi, Your message #287 is excellent. Thanks for verbalizing my thoughts.

[Anakerie]

She saw the kitchen light on. What perp turns on lights? I'm still thinking this through myself. I didn't get the impression you could see the kitchen light from the master bedroom. JMO.
Having watched the tour of the home, I think the light shining on the walls and such would be apparent from the master bedroom. I also read somewhere that they didn't close the bedroom door at night and the kitchen is just around the corner from the bedroom with no door to close off the kitchen from the rest of the rooms.

[Adalena935]

I just listen to the video and I can clearly here the grandmother say" yes mam she was, my son picked her up from the bus stop". I hope everyone will listen to this video and thank you for posting it.
Also while I am at it I would also like to post this piece of information.
"http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/17/ng.01.html


GRACE: Yes. And I also noticed that even though they are now exploring, investigating, whether or not she may have been home that night, they are still saying -- police are saying, anyway, that they don`t have information suggesting she wasn`t there. So unless they`re flat-out lying, they believe she was there, as well. Although...

NEVES: Absolutely.

I heard the maternal grandmother say that when it aired live. Only trouble with her statements is they've changed also just like misty's. Teresa neves has told things as absolute fact that went on in that house in the night just as her son has and neither of them COULD HAVE KNOWN because they say they were not there at the time.

NOW ron's saying he doesn't know he wasn't there, but not in the beginning. No siree! Back then he knew all details the minute he arrived home.

Teresa neves told on live tv of a fight ron had with misty's cousin the day before haleigh went missing, then recanted the next day or two. CNN

First it was a bad fight. then it was a minor disagreement. then it went to no fight at all and no problem at all with misty's cousin. the cousin was there, the cousin was never there. he was there, but fight, he was there but no fight and all hokie stories in between.

Teresa Neves has said Misty was there all night. How does she know? She said she wasn't there all night.

I believe it's possible she's lying to protect her son. I believe it's possible she fears her son. I believe anything's possible in this case up to and including stranger abduction.

[Dunlurken]

Actually, that is true legally speaking lol
At least not one we are privy to.


jmoo

Who wants to bet she's pregnant? JMO.

[kitty1182]

Who wants to bet she's pregnant? JMO.

I think she is..I feel if she is, Ron may not be too happy about it..imo

[Peaches]

If that were the case, why didn't the mother have custody? So many questions. Or did the mother let the hands get burned?


Or could it have been minor surgery????????????????

[odyssey]

My own marriage theory is that Ronald
has been coerced to get married.
I think Misty is probably pregnant.

I would say where I think the coercion
comes in but it is so far out there
and would be so full of speculation
i would not want to put it out there
for some to latch on to.
I could see it very quickly going OT lol

jmoo

[sunstar]

I think she is..I feel if she is, Ron may not be too happy about it..imo

But that still doesn't explain what his mother said about them not being able to get married when Haleigh was around because he was at work all the time. I'd still like to know what that has to do with it, because, to me, it doesn't even make sense! MOO

[Anakerie]

Also IIRC there are skylights in the home and that the moon would have lit the rooms up somewhat. Does anyone know where the skylights were located?
One in the kitchen (I think..) and one over the tub area in the master bath. Moonlight shining through a skylight looks quite different from an electric light lighting up a room.

[Peaches]

I personally think all the talk about bathrooms, washing blankets, open doors, lights on, etc. is just superfulous distractions.

It basically comes down to the fact that Haleigh is missing and the last person we think she was with was Misty. Potentially, the last time anyone saw Misty was when she was on / getting off the school bus.



The LE says 7 pm was the last time anyone say HaLeigh except Misty..................not when she got off the school bus.

[KKKKKKatie]

My own marriage theory is that Ronald
has been coerced to get married.
I think Misty is probably pregnant.

I would say where I think the coercion
comes in but it is so far out there
and would be so full of speculation
i would not want to put it out there
for some to latch on to.
I could see it very quickly going OT lol

jmoo

I see lots of pm-ing in your future LOL

[Peaches]

If Crystal had proof Haleigh was being abused, why did she not take this proof to Child Protective Services?

If she did, then CPS evidently investigated and determined there was no cause to remove Haleigh from the home, wouldn't you think?

If Crystal had proof Haleigh was being abused, why didn't she go to court to get those children removed for abuse?

Could it be Crystal was more than satisfied with the custody arrangement? I'm positive Marie is behind all the airing of dirty linen. If Geraldo is so sure Ron abused those children, why hasn't he said more since the "ambush".

Water seeks its own level and IMO Geraldo has found his.


If a parent thought their child was being abused, I feel that would have taken that child immediately to get it the abuse confirmed..........hospital/PD station.

What parent who loved their child leave them with anyone who was abusing them?????????????? No way in hezz would I!!!!!!!

And ............BTW, I a glad that Ron is not attacking Crystal via media. There is a time and place for that as well.

moo

[odyssey]

Her statement given to the officer at the scene is was that she was getting up to get a drink.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf


My general feeling is that neither of them really feel it is important why she was getting up. I mean, no matter why she was getting up, to pee, to drink, to smoke, to sit in the living room, to change clothes, etc., the fact remains in her mind that the only important thing was noticing the light on which lead her to the back door. She could have been waking up for any number of reasons and she was trying to figure out why she *did* wake up .. or on the other end she may never have been asleep, but if she *was* asleep I would imagine she had no idea a glass of water and a not empty bladder would be the cause of so many problems.

jmoo

[Dunlurken]

The LE says 7 pm was the last time anyone say HaLeigh except Misty..................not when she got off the school bus.

yep, she says 10:00 at night is the last time she saw Haleigh. "When she checked on her"? That makes no sense if the child was in the same bedroom.

Got a quick question. Why are there no pillow cases and blankets on Haleigh's bed? Taken for evidence? JMO.

And for those that have asked why Haleigh did not have her own bed, she did have a toddler bed, and the crib mattress was put on the floor in the master bedroom because Haleigh is afraid of the dark and didn't want to be alone in the other bedroom, I would guess. JMO.

The child didn't wander off. JMOA.

[VII]

I keep thinking about how she was prancing out of the court house all giddy. As a Mother I just can't understand how her Mother allowed that child to get married. Most Mom's want their Daughters to have their own comeupperance (sp?) Go to school, have a good job and then plan for marriage and babies etc... Instead this girl (unless she ends up in prison) will live her life under the umbrella of Ron which means she is DEPENDANT upon Ron. The only other explanation I can think of is that she is doing it thinking she won't have to testify or that she is PG. IMOO Misty's Mom doesn't have much concern or hope for that girl.


haven't seen Misty's Mom, have you?
She was all too glad to sign for the marriage
lest she too be charged
w/failure to protect her "child" &/or neglect.

jmo

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[?noanswer]

That is all I have heard and read so far too. That is why I was asking.

About the picture...yes it does look like gauze but she is a little girl. She could have had burns, scrapes, or just wanted bandages on a little 'booboo'...or it could be that it isn't gauze at all. Let's not get a 'burn' rumor started...please.

The fingers are sticking out of the bandage. If her hands were burned seems like the fingers would be too. Also doesn't medical personnel have an obligation to report any suspected child abuse. She does not appear to be in pain. JMO

[Adalena935]

Sheriff told CNN & Fox via live phone interview there was no evidence of stranger in the house that stole her. I believe them.

No evidence is evidence. It means what's being said happened, didn't happen. - Vince Bugliosi

[odyssey]

I see lots of pm-ing in your future LOL

haha .. nah .. most ppl don't care what i think.


jmoo

[Dunlurken]

The fingers are sticking out of the bandage. If her hands were burned seems like the fingers would be too. Also doesn't medical personnel have an obligation to report any suspected child abuse. She does not appear to be in pain. JMO

Could someone have taken care of it themselves? Personally i don't think it's relevant or LE would be on it big time. JMO.

[KKKKKKatie]

haha .. nah .. most ppl don't care what i think.


jmoo

well I do....pm me what your thought is...please :biggrin:

[?noanswer]

My understanding is, she got up to go to the bathroom,seen the kitchen light was on,went to kitchen to turn off light,saw the back door open and run back in the bedroom to get telephone. That is when she noticed Haleigh was gone..I am not sure she ever made it to the bathroom...
MOO


If that was me and saw the door open, I would have been so scared I'd probably wet my drawers - forget about a bathroom. JMO

[odyssey]

Sheriff told CNN & Fox via live phone interview there was no evidence of stranger in the house that stole her. I believe them.

No evidence is evidence. It means what's being said happened, didn't happen. - Vince Bugliosi

Well I guess that Jessica Lunsford was not really kidnapped either then since there was no evidence .. nor Danielle Van Dam .. .

jmoo

[Dunlurken]

Sheriff told CNN & Fox via live phone interview there was no evidence of stranger in the house that stole her. I believe them.

No evidence is evidence. It means what's being said happened, didn't happen. - Vince Bugliosi

I don't think there was a stranger in the house either. Especially one that turned on the kitchen light. sheesh!

[dixielover]

Why would a kidnapper turn on the kitchen light? :confused:

I would think that the person would really have to know that house-did they turn on more than one switch to find the right one-they had to know that the back door needed to be held open- did they look in all the rooms to find Haleigh-how did they know she was sleeping in the master bedroom- did they wander around looking for her-funny that they made no noise in the bedroom room- any footprints or hand prints-were they caring any weapons?-had to know that RC was not there- on and on and on- just doesn't make sense to be imo

[Owlface]

She's 17. Enough said. She was waving and all happy when going to get married to that nutcase Ron.

Who was thinking about Haleigh? No one obviously. JMO. BS that Haleigh would have wanted this. She's 5. Who cares what Haleigh wants. My three year old wants to eat coookies and candy all the time. Is she allowed to. NO. JMO.

Thank you for saying this - ITA It's the Misty/Ron apologists who think it's perfectly rational to have a wedding just 'cause it's what Haleigh wants/wanted.

[Dunlurken]

In the interview I saw she said she put her to bed at 8PM. She washed the blankets putting a sheet (from window??) on Haleigh. She then put the clean blanket on Haleigh and went to bed herself around 10-10:30.
I'm sorry, but bed time is bed time. You don't wander around the house doing laundry. she was home all day, she could have done it then.

Something isn't "fitting". JMO.